--- Log opened Mon Apr 15 00:00:21 2002
--- Day changed Mon Apr 15 2002
00:00 < esden> .
00:01 < tsa> rxr: btw....wir brauchen keinen irc-logger, solange wir esden haben, scheint mir *g*
00:01 < tsa> esden: schreib mal "irc-logger" zu deinem rock workfield in der gallery dazu ;-)
00:01 < esden> jaaa irssi macht dass ;-)
00:02 < tsa> hehe
00:02 < esden> ich mache dann auch noch stats usw ...
00:02 < esden> hehe neues spielzeug *haendereib*
00:04 < esden> jo passt alles
00:04 < esden> noch cronjob machen ...
00:05 < esden> nur wo soll ich die logs hinschicken ? ich wuerde dass ungern an die allgemeinen schicken ...
00:05 < esden> also ich meine dass raw zeig ...
00:05 < esden> zeug meine ich ...
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00:07 < esden> huh den rene hats rausgehaun ...
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00:09 < esden> re rxr 
00:10 < esden> ist dein dsl getrennt worden ?
00:10 < rxr> jups
00:11 < esden> soo ich mache noch ne schuene html version von den logs ...
00:11 < rxr> esden: dann kannst du ach gleich noch mein Nick updaten ;-)
00:12 < rxr> Und vielleicht die Städte umstellen in die Form (Germany/Bavaria) ...
00:13 < rxr> Niedersachsen ist glaube ich: Lower Saxony ...
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00:16 < esden> ja mache ich ... mom ich muss erst dass mit den irclogs machen 
00:29 < esden> http://www.esden.net/rocklinux/irclogs-nice/rocklinux-2002-04-14.html
00:30 < rxr> aurgh! Geht das auch kontrastreicher? ;-)
00:30 < esden> momment bin dabei
00:31 < rxr> wie heißt SMPs IRC client nochmal?
00:31 < esden> ich kann die "terminalschrift" auch ganz weiss machen ... mache ich auch ;-)
00:32 < esden> soo bitchx ? oder vielleicht irssi ? eins von beiden 
00:32 < esden> ich schwuer auf irssi ... ich habe lange bitchx benutzt 
00:32 < esden> und dann irssi gesehen ich bin sofort umgestiegen
00:32 < esden> ;-)
00:33 < rxr> jups irsii isses ..
00:33 * -> esden test 
00:33 < rxr> esden: URL handy?
00:34 < rxr> nein!  die von irsii
00:34 < esden> lool ...
00:35 < esden> http://www.irssi.erg
00:35 < esden> argh
00:35 < esden> http://www.irssi.org
00:35 < esden> soo
00:36 < rxr> huh - hatte ich die nicht gerade probiert?? - Hm jetzt tuts ...
00:37 -!- You're now known as esden_test
00:37 -!- You're now known as esden
00:37 < esden> soo
00:37 < esden> jetzt sollte ich alles haben
00:39 < rxr> alles != test ist für schwarzen Hintergrund zu dunkel ...
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00:45 * rxr tritt gerade seinen 120Mhz P54 Router mit ner irsii compilierung ;-)
00:48 < rxr> esden: in wich intervals will you irc log be updated?
00:49 < esden> the raw are always up to date
00:49 < esden> and the html versions will be updated in 5 min interval
00:49 < esden> i think that it is enough
00:50 < esden> 15 min would be ok too I think
00:50 < esden> what do you think ?
00:50 < esden> but first I have to make the irclog2html converter usable 
00:51 < rxr> yes - ok I just wondered why there were no updates - but in fact the day changed - so I was looking in the yesterday versions ...
00:53 < inode> damn 1.5.14 keeps craping out at textinfo and doesnt seem to be able to get psutils
00:54 < rxr> psutils is down for weeks now ... this is a know problem ...
00:55 < inode> textinfo went up on ver. #
00:55 < inode> 4.2 or something like that
00:56 < inode> trying 1.7.0 4-13-2002
00:57 * rxr the p54 is still compiling ;-) ...
00:58 < inode> how do i get the smallest possible download and build so i can move that to another box and then finish -base and -ext ....
00:59 < huebi> inode: 
00:59 < inode> yes
00:59 < huebi> inode: ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/rock-pkg-1.5/base-archive/texinfo/texinfo-4.1.tar.bz2
00:59 < huebi> inode: ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/rock-pkg-1.5/base-archive/psutils/psutils-p17.tar.bz2
00:59 < inode> fuq it im trying 1.7 
00:59 < inode> cool i need that one
01:00 < huebi> inode: 1.7 does not build in the moment.
01:01 < inode> ok  a least i have really got started on that.....
01:03 < inode> so how do i get rescue(i think) so i dont have to get base?
01:11 < rxr> huebi: it's not that bad - it builds mostly ...
01:12 < rxr> inode: 1.7 doesn't have subdists nor install-disks at the moment ... (we are reworking this whole thing ...)
01:13 * rxr wow the P54 finished ...
01:13 < huebi> rxr: Yes, but inode is perhaps not so experienced to solve the rest to get through it
01:13 < inode> im going back to 1.5.14
01:13 < inode> starting all over
01:14 < huebi> and I tested 1.5.14 again and again... Now all builds without any know complications.
01:14 < huebi> +n
01:15 < esden> sieht schon langsam annehmbar dass html log
01:17 < inode> :)
01:19 < rxr> esden: The time is missing in the html version :-(
01:22 < huebi> esden: kannst du einen BOLD font nehmen? 
01:23 < esden> rxr: yess I am working on it
01:23 < esden> huebi: where what ?
01:25 < huebi>  http://www.esden.net/rocklinux/irclogs-nice/rocklinux-2002-04-14.html <- Isch saeh nix ;)
01:25 < rxr> huebi: isn't the font bold enough?
01:25 < huebi> rxr: No, not at 1600x1200
01:26 < huebi> and perhaps without serives
01:26 < rxr> I would prefer morew unbold font - but maybe slightly heigher ...
01:26 < esden> huebi dann nimm mozilla und drehe die fontgruesse hoch ;-)
01:26 < rxr> huebi: your personal font and DPI setting is a matter of configuration ;-)
01:27 < huebi> esden: Geht das auch ohne serifen
01:27 < huebi> ? ;)
01:28 < huebi> so wie in gnome term
01:30 < esden> huebi: ja welchen allgemeinen font soll ich denn nehmen ... 
01:31 < esden> ich muss einen nehmen derr fixed width ist und ueberall verfuegbar
01:31 < huebi> ich seh gerade nach
01:32 < esden> http://www.esden.net/rocklinux/irclogs-raw/rocklinux-2002-04-15.html <- schau jetzt !
01:33 < th> wie schneid ich in bash die ersten n zeichen eines strings ab?
01:33 < esden> ich kann zwar die seite auf meinem laptop nicht mehr anschauen denn die fonts sind zu gross aber sonnst passt alles :-(
01:33 < huebi> th probier mal cut
01:34 < th> cut zeichenweise? ich kann das nur mit -d'xyz'
01:34 < th> aber mal gucken
01:34 < huebi> esden: Ich kann sie auch nicht mehr lesen. Kannst du mal bold ausprobieren?
01:36 < esden> ja ... hier schau an ...
01:36 < esden> dass ist noch schlimmer ...
01:36 < th> ahja
01:36 < esden> wenigstens bei mir ...
01:37 < huebi> http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/rocklinux-2002-04-15.html <- besser lesbar
01:37 < esden> nicht wirklich ...
01:37 < esden> bei mir weniger ...
01:38 < esden> naja egal ich werde eh die seite net lesen ... ... wenigstens nicht allzuoft ... 
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01:40 < huebi> esden: Arial als fixed width waere richtig gut. Gibts aber leider nicht
01:40 < tsa> so....zeit, mal ein wenig an der matratze zu lauschen...
01:40 < tsa> viel spass noch.
01:41 < esden> ich brauche bold aber fuer andere sachen .... 
01:41 < huebi> cu tsa 
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01:41 < esden> huebi ich frage mich wie du ueberhaupt surfen kannst wenn dir ein standard font zu klein ist ...
01:42 < huebi> Die Lesbabkeit von weiss auf schwars ist halt sehr schlecht. Umgekehrt funktioniert das  sehr gut.
01:43 < huebi> http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/index.html <- das sind auch nur Standard Fonds und hier habe ich ueberhaupt keine Probleme.
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01:48 < esden> huebi: noch ne frage ... was machst du auf einem terminal ?
01:48 * rxr need a test line for a irsii running in detached mode on a remote host ...
01:48 < huebi> esden: Was meinst Du?
01:48 < rxr2> cool das ROCK ja richtig ;-)
01:48 < esden> schwarz auf weiss ?
01:49 < esden> @ huebi 
01:49 < inode> how do you restart a build?
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01:49 * rxr bye bye xchat ;-)
01:51 < huebi> esden: At HP-UX and SINIX the terminal is black on white. Normaly the fonts are fixed width on a terminal
01:51 < huebi> inode: How did you start the build?
01:52 < esden> rxr: hehe ... ich habe auch am anfang xchat benutzt ...
01:52 < rxr> von euch wird man ja auch regelrecht gezwungen von eMail auf IRC umzusteigen ...
01:52 < esden> huebi: wenn ich ehrlich sein soll gerade dass nervt mich an den oguis bei den unixen ...
01:53 < huebi> oguis ?
01:53 < esden> gui's
01:53 < esden> meine ich sorry
01:54 < huebi> *lol* ich meinte so richtige Terminals mit Roehre und Tastatur ;)))
01:54 < esden> ja da auch ...
01:54 < inode> ./scripts/Build-All COPY
01:54 < esden> stimmt ...
01:54 < esden> ich kriege immer augenkraebs davon ...
01:54 < huebi> inode: ./scripts/Build-All COPY <- and it will start again.
01:55 < inode> yes it starts again but it removes all that has been compiled  i want to keep that which compiled good
01:56 < rxr> inode: touch _nodeL_
01:56 < rxr> _nodel_ 
01:56 < huebi> uderscorenodelunderscore
01:57 < inode> @ the cdl ?
01:57 < rxr> yes
01:57 < rxr> you need to create the file _nodel_
01:57 < esden> huebi: schaue nochmal ... istadass akzeptabel ?
01:57 < inode> ok i''l try that
01:57 < rxr> huebi: is this still vaild your 1.5 ?
01:58 < huebi> rxr: hae? what is valid?
01:59 < rxr> that the file nodel needs to exist to not wipe out the dist files ...
02:00 < huebi> esden: jo. kool! 
02:00 < esden> huebi: puhhh *schweiss_abwisch* *gg*
02:01 < huebi> rxr: yes, it is. I think to change it in the future because getting something deleted in accident is awfull
02:01 < rxr> in 1.7 we don't do this anymore, too
02:01 < rxr> I'll also start the rescue target today (after the sleep period)
02:04 < huebi> I changed everything to be copied, not to be moved in thebuild. So if something breaks I just can fix it and restart the build. Also the target directory can now be deleted without problems because it's just a copy
02:07 < esden> soo irclog2html fertig ... puhh
02:07 < inode> openssl.org is down
02:08 < th> ack
02:09 < esden> ahh time faehlt noch ...
02:12 < inode> brb 
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02:13 < rxr> maybe for we should witch to english again, so that other ROCK people can read it, and to have only one language for the weekly/dayly reports to rock-linux ...
02:17 < esden> boys look now ... is it acceptable like this ? : http://www.esden.net/rocklinux/irclogs-raw/rocklinux-2002-04-15.html
02:17 < esden> yes seems so ... that we will have to ...
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02:18 < hack^mobile> n8
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02:19 < esden> one thing I know now for sure I would be lost without the knowlidge of perl
02:19 < huebi> esden: jo. is good
02:20 < huebi> Generated by irclog2html.pl 2.1 by Jeff Waugh  - find it at freshmeat.net! <- do you want to remove this?
02:20 < esden> huebi: should I ?
02:21 < esden> this is not really true now cuz I have rewritten the core ;-)
02:23 < huebi> It nice to mention the Autor but do you want to read: "Written with Masosoft Wuerg on Windows 00" under a Word.doc ?
02:24 < huebi> esden: Just let the original author stay in the source, add yourself and remove the advertising stuff ;-)
02:24 < rxr> esden: to bother u again, the URLs could be in a lighter color ;-)
02:30 < esden> rxr: I will correct it in a moment
02:31 < esden> what color would you like ... red green ... magenta ?
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02:32 < rxr> esden: maybe green? ;-)
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02:36 < esden> ok green
02:38 < inode> huedi do you have another src for ssl sence openssl.org is down.?
02:40 < th> inode: ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/rock-pkg-1.5/base-archive/openssl/
02:43 < inode> thnx th
02:44 < esden> ok after the nekt update the links should be ok
02:45 < esden> yepp they are ;-)
02:46 < rxr> very nice - good work ;-)
02:47 < rxr> esden: if you are going to be awake some more minutes you might like to fix my nick and the english translation of Niedersachsen in the gallery ;-)
02:49 < esden> thanks ;-)
02:50 < esden> hmm will see ...
02:50 < esden> I wanted first make channel statistics ...
02:50 < esden> but first I fix your nick
02:50 < rxr> esden: if you have nothing to do ...
02:51 < esden> I have a lot to do as you can see ;-)
02:53 < rxr> esden: the right e' in my name is: &eacute;
02:59 < esden> aha ...
02:59 < esden> the url changed ... : http://www.esden.net/rocklinux/irclogs-raw/rocklinux-2002-04-15.html
03:00 < esden> to : http://www.esden.net/rocklinux/irclogs/rocklinux-2002-04-15.html
03:04 < esden> rxr: gallery updated
03:08 < huebi> esden: kool, looks great.
03:12 < rxr> esden: you can also remove Valentin Ziegler from the _might be added list_, when you take a look into the dRock ChangeLog you'll see he only did 2 and a half thing ...
03:13 < th> wie mach ich mit iptables nen port-forwarding?
03:13 < th> incoming xyz soll auf die selbe maschine auf einen anderen port
03:13 < esden> rxr: wird gemacht
03:15 < esden> rxr: done
03:17 < rxr> th: during a quick look into the iptables  HOWTO I did not found out how ...
03:17 < th> thanks anyway
03:18 < th> i just start the service twice
03:30 < rxr> so next 1.7 patch went out to Cliff - I'll visit my two metres now ... Good night!
03:33 < huebi> rxr: gute nacht
03:34 < esden> http://www.esden.net/rocklinux/ircstats/index.html << -- hihi
03:35 < esden> was sagt ihr ... fuer dass layout kann ich nichts ...
03:35 < esden> aber sonnst ist doch cool oder ?
03:36 < esden> ich mache die stats dan jede 12 stunden ...
03:36 < esden> ist dass ok ?
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03:41 < esden> soo hehe ich bin gespannt ;-)
03:47 < huebi> esden: alter channel fooder
03:48 < huebi> ;))))
03:50 < esden> lool ;-)
03:50 < esden> bei den stats kommt alles raus ;-)
03:51 < esden> tut mir leid dass ich ne labertasche bin ...
03:51 < huebi> bei #rocklinux gibt's so 3 Tratschtanten...
03:51 < esden> aber sonnst wuerde hier ja ueberhaupt nichts los sein
03:51 < huebi> hehe
03:51 < esden> 3 ?
03:51 < esden> naemlich ?
03:52 < esden> aja ich mache die statistiken jetzt jede 2 stunden
03:53 < huebi> du rxr und ich
03:53 < th> n8 #
03:53 < esden> n8 th
03:53 < esden> huebi: stimmt ...
03:53 < esden> *gg*
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03:53 < huebi> n8 th
03:53 < esden> nunja ich lege mich jetzt betti ...
03:53 < esden> schlafe gut du auch @ huebi
03:54 < huebi> nach esden
03:54 < huebi> +t
04:35 < inode> 1.5.14 is just not working for me 
04:35 < inode> error thus far
04:35 < inode> ./2-e2fsprogs.err  ./3-lesstif.err  ./3-mesalib.err  ./3-rsync.err
04:35 < inode> ./2-texinfo.err    ./3-libsafe.err  ./3-mtools.err   ./3-xaw3d.err
04:35 < inode> ./3-gpm.err        ./3-lprng.err    ./3-ncftp.err    ./3-xfree86.err
04:41 < inode> xfree not compiling is causing a cascade of failures
04:49 < inode> ncftp-3.1.2-src.tar.gz is now ncftp-3.1.3-src.tar.gz
04:51 < inode> ftp.lysator.liu.se is not there
05:09 < huebi> 2-e2fsprogs.err <- whats up there?
05:11 < inode> i dont know
05:12 < huebi> inode: less 2-e2fsprogs.err ;)
05:15 < inode> gion.c -o region.o
05:15 < inode> In file included from region.c:13:
05:15 < inode> make[2]: *** [region.o] Error 1
05:15 < inode> make[2]: Leaving directory `/rock-linux/src/e2fsprogs-1.27/e2fsck'
05:15 < inode> make[1]: *** [all-progs-recursive] Error 1
05:15 < inode> make[1]: Leaving directory `/rock-linux/src/e2fsprogs-1.27'
05:15 < inode> make: *** [all] Error 2
05:16 < inode> usr/include/unistd.h:479: parse error before character 0177
05:17 < huebi> you are compiling on Athlon XP for k7?
05:18 < inode> yes
05:19 < huebi> Stop the build and restart it, please. e2fsprogs should work then
05:19 < huebi> did glibc work in stage 1
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05:21 < inode> it looks like it   i can oly find gcc
05:23 < inode> ok im starting the build over
05:25 < huebi> if you get the same errors change the number of jobs in the Config file to 1
05:26 < inode> what the config file name?
05:28 < inode> found it
05:29 < huebi> ./scripts/Config
05:29 < inode> i was in stage 5 and am now using stage 1
05:54 < inode> glibc did fine
06:00 < huebi> inode: good
06:01 < huebi> and rocklinux.dyndns.org does fine too again
06:01 < huebi> ;)
06:17 < inode> what do the numbers mean?  i.e.) 1-grep 2-gcc  ???
06:20 < huebi> stage in what it is compiled
06:47 < inode> things are looking good this time
06:47 < huebi> inode: What did you change?
06:48 < inode> ummm nothing really other than stage 1
06:49 < inode> oh and i didnt use  _nodel_
06:52 < inode> there where a few files i had to dl and place by hand
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06:55 < jonath[an]> re
07:26 < inode> only 3 errors so far
07:27 < inode> 3-libsafe.err 3-ncftp.err 3-rsync.err
07:32 < rxr> moin
07:33 < rxr> you didn't got sleep huebi ?
07:34 < jonath[an]> rxr: ive update my kernel
07:34 < jonath[an]> rxr: dRock now it's fine
07:34 < jonath[an]> i updated my system to a 2.4.18 kernel, now it's ok
07:35 < rxr> jonath[an]: nice!
07:35 < jonath[an]> what about 1.6?
07:35 < jonath[an]> is it ok?
07:35 < jonath[an]> i mean to try a build
07:35 < rxr> an updated rc1 is out - it should be just fine
07:36 < jonath[an]> well, im not going to start in rc1 i guess
07:36 < rxr> I'm only waiting for some reports - and then the final 1.6.0 will go out in a week or so ...
07:36 < jonath[an]> that sounds cool
07:36 < jonath[an]> you are really working fast rene
07:36 < jonath[an]> :)
07:37 < jonath[an]> sth more, in 1.4.2, some KILL scripts ar missing
07:37 < jonath[an]> well, this is rc2
07:37 < jonath[an]> in nfsd
07:37 < jonath[an]> ill check the scripts later, maybe tomorrow
07:38 < jonath[an]> nfs-client and nfs-server
07:38 < jonath[an]> i ve to leave now, bye
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07:58 < jonath[an]> have you seen Mike1 since 2 days ago?
08:00 < jonath[an]> bye
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08:12 * rxr back
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08:26 < rxr> hm taking a look into the gcc maliing-list the gcc-3.1 seems to be delayed for some weeks ...
08:52 < huebi> moin
08:55 < rxr> hi huebi
09:01 < huebi> I'm tired. But many things are now solved by th
09:12 < huebi> :q
09:12 < huebi> hehe wrong window
09:17 < rxr> ;-)
09:17 < rxr> bin wieder wech ...
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09:34 < tsa> hi
09:53 < inode> rock need to be made where if "one" has enough ram that a swap partition is not required
09:54 < inode> i had to add a swap to start compiling and the process hasnt even touch any of it
09:54 < inode>   2:57am  up  7:41,  4 users,  load average: 1.23, 1.26, 1.26
09:54 < inode> 64 processes: 62 sleeping, 2 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
09:54 < inode> CPU states: 94.4% user,  5.4% system,  0.0% nice,  0.2% idle
09:54 < inode> Mem:   513200K av,  507472K used,    5728K free,       0K shrd,   51568K buff
09:54 < inode> Swap:  530104K av,       0K used,  530104K free                  379500K cached
10:39 < huebi> inode: Build-All tests for swap. So that also small machines can compile rock.
11:34 < tsa> bbl..
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11:58 < tsa> hi
11:58 < tsa> (aain)
11:58 < tsa> +g
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12:07 < tsa> moin th
12:15 < th> moin
12:30 < huebi> moin, tach zusammen.
12:30 < huebi> ;))
12:31 < th> heyho huebi 
12:33 < huebi> Merke: Lass' niemals jemanden der noch ausreichend Ahnung hat deine Netzwerkswitche einstellen. Da geht sonst nichts mehr. :>
12:33 < huebi> s/noch/nicht/
12:34 < th> hehe
12:37 < huebi> mii-diag ist da sehr gut um Auto-negotiation festzustellen. Wenn der switch aber 100baseTx-FD forced verschlucken sich die Treiber gerne und gehen dann auf isdn-Geschwindigkeit. ;)
12:42 < huebi> so, mal Mittag jagen gehen ;)))
12:46 < tsa> guten hunger..
13:01 < esden> good morning!!!
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13:05 < tsa> hoi esden
13:05 < tsa> hi netcrow
13:05 < tsa> irgendwer von euch erfahrung mit datenrettung von kaputten platten?
13:05 < netcrow> hi
13:05 < netcrow> hm, unter windows a bisserl..
13:06 < netcrow> notgedrungen ;)
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13:13 < armijn> re
13:15 < netcrow> re
13:20 < huebi> tsa: jo, ich
13:20 < huebi> hi armijn netcrow esden 
13:21 < armijn> hi huebi
13:26 < netcrow> hi huebi
13:27 < tsa> huebi: hm....kaputte 4gb ide-platte mit 1 ntfs-partition haette ich anzubieten.
13:27 < tsa> sieht imho sehr nach elektronik-schaden aus.
13:27 < huebi> tsa: Was ist denn genau los mit ihr?
13:27 < huebi> achso
13:27 * armijn takes the 4 GB harddisk with NTFS and shoves it up tsa's ...
13:27 < armijn> :)\
13:27 < armijn> now, that must hurt.
13:27 < tsa> huebi: bios meckert, linux dmesg: DriveNotReady, Error, ide-bus-reset
13:28 < tsa> armijn: hehe
13:28 < huebi> brb
13:28 < tsa> auch mit dd ist nix runterzukriegen.
13:28 < armijn> tsa: fdisk?
13:28 < tsa> armijn: keine partitionen mehr vorhanden.
13:28 < armijn> tsa: what if you run fdisk on it and try to make an ext2fs on it?
13:29 < armijn> I mean, who cares about the NTFS partition??
13:29 < tsa> armijn: then the original data will be lost.
13:29 < armijn> but they are lost already, right?
13:30 < armijn> you can just run fdisk, without writing the partition table...
13:30 < armijn> see what it does
13:30 < tsa> armijn: one of our "azubi"s does  - the disc contains his project to become "it-systemkaufmann" which has to be delivered today in the afternoon.
13:30 < armijn> ah.
13:30 < armijn> one of those situations...
13:30 < tsa> armijn: ah....i've already tried that - no success.
13:31 < tsa> murphy's law.
13:31 < armijn> it completely b0rks?
13:31 < tsa> yes.
13:31 < armijn> then you're fucked
13:31 < tsa> i know..
13:31 < armijn> could be that it's just the first block that is damaged...
13:31 < tsa> thanks, anyway.
13:32 < armijn> but that usually contains the partition table
13:32 < armijn> dunno if NTFS contains spare superblocks
13:33 < tsa> i don't know what the bios disk check does - but since it fails, i assume it a eletronic problem.
13:33 < armijn> I hate electronics
13:37 < huebi> tsa: Hast Du noch _genau_ so eine Platte?
13:37 < armijn> k, big rant to rock-ports is in the ehter
13:37 < armijn> ehr, ether
13:37 < th> tsa: is it possible to dd from the disk when skipping some blocks?
13:38 < huebi> th: The disk is not recognized by the BIOS
13:38 < th> huebi: linux does not care what bios sais
13:38 < th> huebi: linux does not care what bios says
13:38 < th> huebi: if he could not access it he wouldn't get "DriveNotReady, Error, ide-bus-reset"
13:39 < armijn> hmm...all this stuff is being logged
13:39 < armijn> I'm not sure if I like that
13:39 < tsa> th: no way. i've tried, but did not get a single byte off the disk.
13:40 < huebi> "DriveNotReady, Error, ide-bus-reset" <- You also get this on serverworks chip sets with no drive attached.
13:40 < th> huebi: your ideas was to open both discs and exchange the floppys?
13:40 < tsa> huebi: nein, leider nicht. ist ne alte 4gtb fujitsu.....sonst haette ich schon nen platinen-tausch versucht.
13:40 < huebi> th: no, just to change the electronics. 
13:41 < tsa> th: opening the drive won't make things any better, i guess..
13:41 < th> huebi: isn't that the same?
13:41 < huebi> Then you will have some more errors but it should work most of the time
13:41 < th> tsa: not if you don't have another disk like it
13:42 < th> tsa: you already tried other ide-controllers, did you?
13:42 < tsa> th: yes...
13:42 < huebi> I don't like to open modern disks. They really don't like dirt.
13:43 < th> tsa: well... the restore from backup ;-)
13:43 < th> s/the/then/
13:44 < huebi> tsa: Better contact the "Pruefungsgremium" and find a woring solution.
13:44 < huebi> +k
13:44 < armijn> heh, my mail to rock-ports is already there...
13:45 < armijn> there's even some non-sparc specific stuff in there...
13:45 < armijn> like, why do we link to the wrong glibc in stage 1...
13:51 < armijn> huebi? why is everything removed from ext-config in CVS?
13:52 < huebi> everything?
13:52 < armijn> well, a lot
13:52 < armijn> I just read the changelog
13:53 < huebi> armijn: only the .ext files are needed. .pz .desc .conf are autogenerated
13:53 < armijn> ah, ok
13:54 < tsa> huebi: already done - the "azubi" may deliver his docs tomorrow...
13:57 < armijn> ripclaw is way too optimistic with sparc64 that we're "95% done"
13:58 < esden> ok ...
13:58 < esden> now I have eaten
13:58 < esden> now I can chat ;-)
13:59 < esden> how are you guys ?
13:59 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@pD9EB7CE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
13:59 < aszlig> hullo
13:59 < armijn> esden: just read my mail and you know how I feel.
14:00 < esden> armijn: not really sorry ... :-(
14:01 < armijn> esden: well, quite frustrated about some things in ROCK, because assumptions have been made, which turned out to be false
14:01 < esden> aha ... what assumptions do you mean ?
14:01 < armijn> and I don't know which process installs <linux/autoconf.h>
14:02 < armijn> esden: that every build system has gawk
14:02 < armijn> esden: and that you build on glibc2.2
14:03 < esden> hmm ... have you spoken with clifford ?
14:03 < esden> he wanted to eliminate this problem
14:03 < armijn> strange thing is, the gawk thing was only discovered when I added egcs64
14:03 < armijn> esden: the glibc2.2 problem?
14:03 < esden> yes that is one thing ...
14:04 < armijn> well, it is just adding something to the library path and then it should work
14:04 < esden> you mean that you can not build rock on glibc< 2.2 am I right ?
14:04 < armijn> I can't see how he missed that.
14:04 < armijn> esden: well, not just that...we link to the wrong libraries in stage 1
14:04 < esden> yes that is what I thought
14:05 < armijn> I checked the scripts...and it is so obvious.
14:05 < esden> so this problem is to be solved ... 
14:05 < esden> armijn: ok 
14:05 < armijn> yeah, well, it is just adding two things in ./scripts/Build-Pkg
14:06 < armijn> but I don't have a glibc 2.1 system to check on :(
14:06 < esden> clifford wants to make an environment to build the 1 stage
14:06 < esden> in stage 0
14:06 < armijn> yet another stage...
14:06 < esden> I do not know exactly how does he want to do it but he wants
14:06 < armijn> it could be that I'm wrong, though...
14:06 < armijn> Clifford will have to correct me there
14:06 < armijn> *if* I'm wrong
14:07 < esden> that will solve the problem that you have to have rock on your machine to build rock
14:07 < esden> or very new debian or so
14:07 < armijn> yeah
14:07 < armijn> but I don't have a glibc 2.1 machine
14:07 < esden> yes ok
14:08 < armijn> do you?
14:08 < esden> so call clifford ... or write him a email ... instead toring your hair from your head
14:08 < armijn> what hair?
14:09 < armijn> first I want someone to test it on a glibc 2.1 machine
14:09 < esden> hmm ...
14:09 < esden> this is currently only an idea ...
14:10 < esden> he has not implemented it yet ...
14:10 < armijn> do you know someone with a glibc 2.1 machine who is willing to test it?
14:11 < esden> *think*
14:12 < armijn> or maybe you got an old machine which you can "downgrade"?
14:12 < armijn> my PC broke down, otherwise I'd have done it myself
14:14 < huebi> This line is only for statistcs. Please ignore it. ;)
14:14 < huebi> *lol*
14:16 < armijn> pffff
14:16 < huebi> hehe
14:16 < huebi> armijn: _all_ you ever said here is logged.
14:16 < huebi> twice
14:17 < armijn> huebi: starting from yesterday.
14:17 < tsa> hehe
14:17 < armijn> (I think)
14:17 < huebi> by SMP and by our friends on the other side of the Atlantic.
14:17 < esden> argh my mother is going on my nervs
14:18 < armijn> esden: that's what mothers are for
14:18 < huebi> esden: Don't let your nerves lay arround.
14:18 < esden> ok ... will do
14:18 < esden> huebi: morning
14:18 < huebi> hi esden 
14:18 < tsa> moin esden
14:19 < esden> i have to make the statisticgeneration faster ...
14:19 < huebi> hehe
14:19 < esden> 15 min ..
14:19 < huebi> This line is also only for statistcs. Please ignore it. ;)
14:20 < esden> rofl ... ;-)
14:20 * tsa waits for huebi to begin copy&pasting man-pages into the channel to get better stats... ;-)
14:20 < armijn> maybe we should put huebi on top in the statistics, always
14:20 < esden> cheeeter !!!!
14:20 < tsa> lol
14:20 < netcrow> cat /dev/urandom | bitchx  ;-)
14:20 < huebi> man man:
14:20 < armijn> yeah, huebi cheats...
14:20 < tsa> *sigh*
14:21 < tsa> btw....we don't have a man-page for tar(8)
14:21 < aszlig> ah, re netcrow
14:21 < aszlig> re
14:21 < huebi> *LachundvomStuhlkipp*
14:21 < aszlig> ;)
14:21 < tsa> gnu stuff uses info...
14:21 < esden> huebi cheeter ... camper ;-) MUAHAHA (/me feels like a little child now)
14:21 < tsa> anyway, a man page would be nice.
14:21 < th> yes
14:21 < aszlig> typical spammers have the best stats ;)
14:21 < th> full ack. we need a manpage for tar
14:21 < tsa> every binary should have one. 
14:22 < tsa> th: ok. where can we "borrow" one?
14:22 < th> i know slackware has tar-manpages
14:22 < tsa> RH has, too.
14:22 < netcrow> hi aszlig
14:22 < th> tsa: but RH sucks ;)
14:23 < tsa> but I'm unsure which is better or if they even are the same ones..
14:23 < tsa> th: ACK. but doesn't slackware suck, too? ;)
14:23 < armijn> BSD?
14:23 < th> perhaps gnu has some info->man converting facility?
14:23 < th> tsa: no
14:24 < aszlig> oh, hi netcrow
14:24 < th> ich sollte mich auf meine compilerbau-pruefung konzentrieren
14:24 < huebi> X-redirection over T-DSL is really slow
14:24 < tsa> i guess other program don't have a man page, either..
14:24 < tsa> +s
14:24 < th> tsa: but tar has
14:24 < tsa> th: make bootstrap ;)
14:25 < tsa> pruefungen....jaja, irgendwann mach ich auch mal nen vordiplom....
14:25 < tsa> bin ja erst im 8. semester ;)
14:25 < armijn> th: stop about compilers...
14:25 < esden> boys you want to include a tar manpage in rock ?
14:25 < tsa> esden: jupp.
14:26 < armijn> th: working on a type inferencing assignment now
14:26 < esden> hmm ... ok do it ...
14:26 < armijn> *not funny*
14:26 < huebi> esden: man tar or nothing ;>
14:26 < esden> huebi: hehe
14:27 < tsa> perhaps we should tar manpages from different distros and make an online poll on the rocklinux page..
14:27 < th> hmmm there is a manpage for "info"
14:27 < tsa> collect
14:28 < tsa> .oO( choose you favorite tar man page)
14:28 < tsa> scheisse....irgendwie kann ich heut nich tippen.
14:28 < th> and the info for man is the man in info-viewer
14:28 < esden> yes lets make a man-/info-page ticker on rocklinux site
14:28 < th> perhaps we should build the tars from info-file
14:28 < esden> woohooo
14:28 < th> s/tars/mans/
14:29 < esden> tsa: wann kannst tippen ? ;-)
14:29 < tsa> esden: *patsch*
14:29 < tsa> ;)
14:30 * huebi will jetzt 'ne Schlaegerei sehen ;))
14:30 < esden> tsa: auaaa ... du ... du .... brutala du
14:30 < armijn> huebi: you mean with beer and such?
14:30 < armijn> and Bratwurst?
14:30 < tsa> hehe
14:30 < esden> tsa: *re_patch*
14:30 < huebi> kool, action
14:30 < tsa> .oO( wir brauchen dringend quake3.rocklinux.org )
14:30 < netcrow> mhm..bratwurst and beer
14:31 < th> eyy das is ja peinlich mit euch... es wird doch geloggt ;)
14:31 < tsa> oder UT ;)
14:31 < huebi> und das dreifach, mindestens
14:31 < esden> tsa: *patch -Nur < schlaege_an_tsa.patch*
14:31 < tsa> arghl..
14:31 < armijn> I'll just grab the beer, you guys can have the Bratwurst
14:32 < huebi> cat 1 > /proc/atomic/bomb ,hehe
14:32 < tsa> esden: -Nur is for /usr/bin/diff... patch needs -p0 ;-)
14:32 < th> http://cygwin-lite.sourceforge.net/html/tar.html
14:32 < esden> tsa: yess right ...
14:32 < esden> tsa: *patch -p1 < schlaege_an_tsa.patch*
14:33 * tsa slaps esden around with a bid Un*x manual ....ouch, that hurts!
14:33 < esden> now better ? @ tsa 
14:33 < tsa> ;)
14:33 < tsa> s/bid/big/
14:33 < th> http://www.esden.net/rocklinux/irclogs/
14:33 < esden> auuu ... tsa you can menage to lift it ???
14:33 < th> ouhm
14:33 < th> aehm
14:33 < th> das wollte ich nicht pasten
14:33 < esden> th i know
14:34 < tsa> esden: Stapelfahrer Klaus is my companion ;-)
14:34 < th> http://freshmeat.net/projects/info2man/
14:34 < huebi> tsa: lol
14:34 < th> DAS wollte ich pasten
14:34 < esden> th: but you can not be so stiff all you life
14:35 < th> ;>
14:35 < armijn> now th gets more stats...
14:35 < huebi> tsa: Where can I get Staplerfahrer Klaus ?
14:35 < armijn> as in, pasting more links...
14:35 < esden> tsa: that hurts ... me head feels so unexistant ...
14:35 < armijn> who is staplerfahrer klaus?
14:35 < huebi> klaus is _the_ killer
14:36 < armijn> k, whateve4r...
14:36 < esden> armijn: the killer "stapelfahrer"
14:36 < armijn> gonna work on an assignment now...
14:36 < huebi> klaus is _the_ assasin (I think is correct)
14:36 < armijn> will be back later...
14:36 < armijn> cu
14:36 < huebi> by armin
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14:36 < th> tsa: get this info2man and supply man-pages!
14:36 < tsa> th: ok.
14:37 < esden> woohoo the activity stats are going up!
14:37 < tsa> huebi: http://phobos.fs.tum.de/etnom/Staplerfahrer-Klaus.avi
14:37 < tsa> ~ 85mb
14:38 < huebi> *sauuug*
14:38 < th> hmm
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14:39 < huebi> I have short film called sysadmin. It's also very nice 
14:39 < esden> hi term_emu 
14:39 < th> ich hab das hier auch schon ewig liegen
14:39 < th> ich schaus mal an
14:40 < esden> I want this film too ...
14:40 < huebi> nur das Band ist am Anfang defekt.
14:40 < huebi> ;((
14:40 < term_emu> hi
14:40 < esden> ach mennooo ....
14:40 < huebi> hi term_emu 
14:40 < th> outch
14:40 < huebi> th: hast du sysadmin?
14:40 < th> noe
14:41 < huebi> na dann muss ich SCSI-Befehle lernen ;)
14:41 < th> outch2
14:41 < th> AUA
14:42 < th> was is sysadmin?
14:42 < huebi> ein absolut schraeger Film ueber sysadmin. Zum totlachen. ;)
14:42 < th> lol outch3
14:42 < th> "man hat ja schliesslich keine 2 linken haende"
14:43 < tsa> rxr2
14:43 < tsa> was giving us earache, yelling 13% of the time
14:43 < tsa> ircstats rule!
14:43 < tsa> ;)
14:43 < th> lol
14:43 < th> klaus is heftig
14:43 < huebi> This line is only for statistcs. Please ignore it. ;)
14:43 < esden> yess I know ;-) @ tsa 
14:43 < tsa> huebi: cheater!
14:43 < tsa> *G*
14:43 < huebi> hehe
14:44 < th> LOL
14:45 < esden> lol
14:46 < tsa> I'll start pasting kernel sources here when everybody is asleep ;-)
14:46 < th> appetitlich
14:47 < esden> tsa ... you will then fly a long bow >_<
14:47 < th> i could uuencode my /dev/urandom...
14:47 < tsa> hehe
14:48 < esden> hmm I think I will have to shutdown the statistics :-((((
14:49 < th> esden: no.
14:49 < th> esden: i know this phase from other channels.
14:49 < th> esden: the situation will calm down... ;)
14:49 < tsa> hehe
14:49 < esden> th: good ....
14:49 < th> anyway i don't know why we need statistics
14:49 < esden> I know this too from our bchat
14:50 < esden> but there it is never calming down ... there are only whinnees ...
14:51 < esden> th: I made the statistics because I allready have made logs
14:51 < esden> so it was easy to set them up
14:51 < esden> and I think that it is funny
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14:59 < huebi> hehe, hier ist gerade 2 Leuten richtig schlecht geworden. Jaja Klaus, die Maus...
14:59 < tsa> hehe
14:59 < tsa> spass muss sein.
15:00 < th> huebi: ich war aber auch knapp davor ;)
15:05 < esden> ja ich glaube es euch ... bei mir hat sich der magen auch gefaehrlich bewegt als ich den klaus den stapelfahrer geschaut habe ...
15:06 < esden> ahh "Random Signoffs" gehen jetzt in den stats auch wieder
15:17 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A77.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux
15:17 < esden> lool ...
15:17 < snyke> hi
15:17 < snyke> :)
15:17 < esden> dor naechste ingolstaedter
15:17 < esden> hi snyke 
15:18 < aszlig> hullo
15:18 < snyke> ui hi aszlig 
15:19 < esden> also wenn es so weiter geht dann haben wir bei rocklinux die greusste menge der benutzer und developer genau in ingolstadt ...
15:19 < tsa> hehe.
15:19 -!- sleon|tuX [~sleon@p50835875.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
15:19 < aszlig> esden: hrm, wieviel sinds jetzt aus in?
15:19 < snyke> ich :)
15:19 < tsa> bielefeld: mindestens 5 rock installationen.
15:19 * aszlig ;)
15:20 < aszlig> esden: 3?
15:20 < th> auf jeden fall haben wir wohl mehr als 6 installations worldwide
15:20 < tsa> hehe
15:20 < esden> blindcoder, praenti_ZzZz, fake, snyke, esden 
15:20 < aszlig> esden: wenn ma's genau nimmt, dann 1
15:20 < esden> dass sind alles ingolstaedter
15:20 < aszlig> esden: aber net umbedingt rl-devel
15:20 < esden> ja der praenti_ZzZz, esden sind entwickler
15:21 < esden> der blindcoder, netcrow sind benutzer
15:21 < aszlig> blindcoder - jaja, des soll auch mal wieder aus seinem persistenten idlen herauskommen :P
15:21 < esden> fake weiss es selber nicht ...
15:21 < aszlig> s/des/der/
15:22 < snyke> esden
15:22 < esden> ihr zwei aszlig, snyke weiss ich auch nicht wass ihr seid ;-)
15:22 < esden> snyke: ja?
15:22 < snyke> der fake hat heute gesagt er gehe jetzt mandrake installiern :)
15:22 < aszlig> esden: *g*
15:22 < aszlig> snyke: waas!?
15:23 < esden> der ist echt ein spongo
15:23 < esden> der ist echt geistig instabil ...
15:23 < aszlig> *lmao*
15:23 < esden> dass ist nicht mehr normal ...
15:23 < snyke> *g*
15:23 < snyke> achja: ich bin freebsd :)
15:23 < aszlig> *grml*
15:23 < snyke> hm?
15:24 < aszlig> snyke: dann bin ich ja noch naeher an rl als du :P
15:24 < esden> der snyke ist mit bsd garnicht soweit weg wie du denkst aszlig 
15:24 < aszlig> esden: ja, k
15:25 < esden> rl ist teilweise an bsd angelaehnt ...
15:25 < aszlig> esden: unix-derivat is eigentlich unix-derivat ;)
15:25 < aszlig> esden: also, isses eigentlich egal
15:25 < esden> make world ...  ist ja mit dem in rl enthaltenem Build-All vergleichbar
15:25 < huebi> hier gibt's 9 rocklinux server.
15:26 < snyke> hm
15:26 < huebi> und bei mir zu hause noch mal 3
15:26 < aszlig> hrhr
15:26 < esden> gut huebi ...
15:26 < snyke> esden: make buildworkd => mix :)
15:26 < snyke> s/k/l
15:26 < esden> die anderen hier wie der aszlig oder snyke sind einfach zu FAUL um sich mit rl auseinander zu setzen ...
15:27 < aszlig> esden: or too busy
15:27 < aszlig> esden: or too stonde *gg*
15:27 < aszlig> s/nde/ned/
15:27 < esden> there is never such a thing called too busy
15:28 < esden> that is only the will that counts
15:28 < huebi> esden: and time ;P
15:28 < aszlig> esden: k, okay, i'll flame the too of ;)
15:29 < esden> if you want you find time to install rock on your box @ huebi 
15:29 < huebi> esden: Definitly Yes!
15:29 < aszlig> esden: hrm, maybe i'll install it, too... erm, depends on time :P
15:29 < esden> so ther is no excuse ... ;-)
15:30 < aszlig> esden: don't want to wipe out my whole sys to inst rl
15:30 < th> the word is spelled definitively and has another sense
15:31 * huebi is dreaming of the bigest water cooling tower for a PC ever seen
15:31 < snyke> esden> glaub kaum das du zeit hast mir fortbildung zu geben
15:31 < aszlig> snyke: rtfm *lol*
15:31 < snyke> der hannes hat - und der is eben freebsd entwickler
15:31 < th> snyke: du kannst doch lesen?
15:31 < snyke> aszlig> hab ich gmacht, war alles falsch
15:32 < snyke> bzw. nicht das was ich wollte
15:32 < esden> huebi: I want to see that !!!!
15:32 < aszlig> snyke: what did you want?
15:32 < esden> huebi: I want photos !!!
15:32 < snyke> einen router mit always-on dsl verbindung
15:32 < huebi> In the moment it taler than me
15:32 < snyke> die dsl line aufbaun ging noch
15:33 < huebi> esden: But it must be _BIGGER_
15:33 < snyke> aber das ppp mit --natd pppoe gestartet werden muss stand nirgends
15:33 < snyke> *blabla*
15:33 < aszlig> snyke: a continuously ping every 20 secound should work
15:33 < snyke> das mein ich ned
15:33 < snyke> deswegen verbindet er noch ned
15:33 < aszlig> snyke: oh...
15:33 < snyke> den keep-alive-ping hab ich scho drin
15:33 < esden> huebi: but I want to see it ... and know how it works ...
15:33 < aszlig> snyke: your problem is the connection :P
15:33 < snyke> hat ja alles super funktioniert bis zu dem scheiss headcrash
15:34 < huebi> esden: You will get Photos
15:34 < esden> huebi: good ;-)
15:34 < th> rocklinux und dann kein helm auf dem kopf... selber schuld
15:34 < th> huebi: du baust wassergekuehlte kisten?
15:34 < huebi> snyke: Bang Head Here - hehe
15:34 < aszlig> th: /me hates to wear helmets ;)
15:34 < huebi> th jo
15:35 < th> huebi: baust du mir auch eine?
15:35 < aszlig> snyke: what was after it?
15:35 < huebi> snyke: do you now have a broken monitor or head?
15:36 < th> perhaps the keyboard
15:36 < aszlig> snyke: you want to automatically connect?
15:36 < huebi> th: sieh sie dir erst mal an, wenn sie fertig ist. Dann entscheide dich ;)
15:36 < huebi> 250mm Abflussrohre sind nicht so einfach zu bekommen ;)
15:36 < snyke> aszlig> joaeah
15:37 < aszlig> hrm, maybe snyke is dead...
15:37 < th> huebi: ich will kein monster sondern nur nen kleinen bigtower
15:37 < aszlig> hey, he's alive!
15:37 < th> huebi: und vorallem LEISE
15:37 < snyke> jop
15:37 < snyke> hey - 5 chats gleichzeitig behandeln is ned so einfach
15:37 < snyke> und nebenbei soll ich noch coden
15:38 < aszlig> snyke: gimme ssh-access to your system ;)
15:39 < snyke> *lol*
15:39 < snyke> ok
15:40 < snyke> aber dann ohne login ok?
15:40 < snyke> also nologin.sh oder sowas
15:40 < aszlig> hrhr
15:40 < esden> snyke: bist du aber gemein ...
15:42 < snyke> hehe
15:42 < snyke> :)
15:43 < aszlig> hrhr
15:44 < aszlig> snyke: haett ich mir auch denken koennen
15:44 < aszlig> snyke: hab schon 'ne ganze sammlung von usern auf irgendwelchen rechnern
15:44 < aszlig> snyke: aber mit richtiger shell
15:45 < snyke> i know
15:46 < aszlig> snyke: eg: garak ;)
15:46 < esden> aszlig: dir vertrauen leute einfach zu schnell ...
15:46 < esden> und die von altmuehl am schnellsten ;-)
15:46 < aszlig> *lol*
15:47 < aszlig> hab auch root-access bei einigen...
15:47 < aszlig> aber noch nie irgendwas zerstoert, geloescht, ge`rm -rf /`t, usw
15:48 < esden> ja ... dass ist brav ...
15:48 < esden> *taetshel*
15:48 < aszlig> gut, was bringt das auch
15:48 < snyke> esden: ich bin auch anet-boy
15:48 < snyke> also verurteile nicht die allgemeinheit der anetler :)
15:48 < aszlig> snyke: hmm, hab ich bei dir net schonmal nen account gehabt?
15:49 * aszlig collects root-accounts
15:49 < snyke> nnnein
15:50 < snyke> mit an sicherheit grenzender wahrscheinlichkeit nicht
15:50 < snyke> nur der garak
15:50 < aszlig> snyke: och, schad' ;)
15:50 < snyke> weil ich den persönlich kenn
15:50 * aszlig auch...
15:50 < aszlig> hrhr
15:50 < snyke> und der esden, zweckZ bChat einrichten
15:50 < snyke> und der fake und netcrow
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15:50 < snyke> die hatten alle einen zusammen :)
15:50 < aszlig> aha? und der heisst guest, richtig?
15:51 < aszlig> hmm...
15:51 < aszlig> *beisnykenachsicherheistlueckensuch*
15:52 < snyke> nein
15:52 < snyke> bitte nicht
15:52 < snyke> :(
15:52 < aszlig> hmm, ftp
15:54 < snyke> ?
15:57 < aszlig> snyke: you have new mail...
15:59 < snyke> wo?
15:59 < aszlig> snyke: root
15:59 < snyke> ah
15:59 < snyke> super
15:59 < snyke> aszlig@msaft
15:59 < aszlig> snyke: hehe
16:00 < snyke> so
16:00 < aszlig> snyke: hassu fwlogwatch drauf...
16:00 < snyke> ICH HAB GAR NIX DRAUF VERDAMMT
16:00 < snyke> das is ein unkonfigurierter sendmail
16:00 < snyke> ich hab an dem sys so gut wie nix gemacht
16:00 < snyke> so
16:00 < aszlig> snyke: fwlogwatch!=sendmail
16:00 < aszlig> mal testen
16:00 < snyke> *klonk*
16:00 < snyke> so schlau wär ich auch
16:00 < snyke> sendmail is tot.
16:00 < snyke> so
16:01 < snyke> hm
16:01 < snyke> lol
16:01 < snyke> Apr 15 14:15:41 cyron talkd[79862]: recv: Socket operation on non-socket
16:01 < snyke> Apr 15 14:16:04 cyron last message repeated 196441 times
16:02 < aszlig> snyke: cheater
16:02 < snyke> das wär ein netter syslog flood *g*
16:02 < snyke> warum?
16:02 < snyke> o.o
16:02 < aszlig> snyke: read the chatlog ;)
16:02 < snyke> ?
16:05 < aszlig> http://www.esden.net/rocklinux/irclogs
16:05 < snyke> whoha
16:05 < snyke> http://computer.t-online.de/comp/aktu/nach/ar/CP/ar-filme-online.html
16:05 < snyke> read!
16:07 < aszlig> hmm, k
16:07 < esden> ok ... when I can not download the films I do not watch them at all ...
16:07 < esden> that is my motto ...
16:08 < snyke> hm
16:08 < snyke> hehe gute einstellung
16:08 < snyke> hm
16:08 < snyke> im IRCnet sins grad wieder voll am taken
16:08 < snyke> hmmm
16:08 < snyke> #altmuehlnet ist opless
16:09 < snyke> mit 14 pll drin
16:09 < snyke> ppl
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16:13 < esden> surprise: wie heisst der ircnet server ?
16:13 < esden> sorry surprise 
16:13 < esden> i mean snyke 
16:13 < aszlig> esden: nimm irgendeinen
16:13 < esden> ja name ...
16:13 < aszlig> esden: zum bleistift irc.uni-erlangen.de
16:13 < snyke> irc.netsurf.de f.e.
16:13 < esden> hi surprise so by the way ;-)
16:13 < aszlig> esden: oder irc.freenet.de
16:13 < snyke> irc.belwue.de
16:13 < esden> jaja ...
16:14 < snyke> irc.fu-berlin.de
16:14 < snyke> :)
16:14 < surprise> hi
16:14 < surprise> irc.openprojects.net
16:14 < snyke> ja, da gibts aber keinen opless äanet
16:17 < tsa> hm...
16:18 < tsa> wie man hier sieht, klappts auch one op recht gut.
16:18 < tsa> ohne
16:18 < tsa> *grmpf*
16:18 < aszlig> jep
16:19 < aszlig> ;)
16:19 < aszlig> thats much better ;)
16:20 < snyke> hm#
16:20 < esden> ja tsa aber hier haben wir chanserv der uns op geben kann wenn der gebraucht wird ... im ircnet gibt es nicht ...
16:20 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has joined #rocklinux
16:20 < armijn> re
16:21 < esden> die haben da keine services :-((
16:21 < snyke> noteserv :)
16:21 < tsa> esden: im ircnet herrscht auch noch die meinung, man braeuchte +o zu chatten..
16:21 < esden> re armijn 
16:22 -!- [BenHur] [~benhur@rossini.marcant.net] has joined #rocklinux
16:22 < [BenHur]> opf
16:22 < tsa> hehe.
16:23 < [BenHur]> hehe ... "#rocklinux" is nen april scherz ....
16:23 < esden> tsa: +o braucht man fuer ordnung schaffen ab und zu ... zum chatten braucht man +o nicht ... dass ist so alsob du fuer deine taegliche arbeit den root account auf deiner kiste benutzen wuerdest ;-)
16:23 < [BenHur]> *** Channel #rocklinux was created at Mon Apr  1 00:17:34 2002
16:23 < snyke> lol
16:23 < snyke> :)
16:23 < armijn> benhur: of course
16:23 < armijn> rock linux is just an april fools joke
16:24 < armijn> I mean, creating your own distro...that sounds too good to be true, right?
16:24 < esden> [BenHur]: huh ich habe es nicht gewusst ...
16:25 < esden> armijn: seems so ;-)
16:30 < esden> ok I code the install_bin now ...
16:31 < snyke> hui
16:31 < snyke> viel spaß
16:31 < armijn> esden: can you do me a favour?
16:31 < esden> armijn: really ?
16:31 < armijn> esden: is there any glibc stuff installed in stage 1 in /usr/lib?
16:31 < esden> puhh ...
16:32 < esden> directly in /usr/lib ?
16:33 < esden> or dist/usr/lib 
16:33 < esden> ?
16:33 < armijn> dist/usr/lib of course
16:33 < armijn> (sorry)
16:33 < armijn> and in dist/lib
16:33 < esden> ahh ok ... I was littlebit shocked ...
16:33 < esden> dunno ... I will have to make the stage one ond see for myself ...
16:35 < esden> 3,41GB  that sux !!!
16:36 < snyke> hm?
16:36 < snyke> wo?
16:36 < esden> traffic on apollo ... during the last month ... >_<
16:36 < armijn> all your irc logs
16:37 < snyke> hm?
16:37 < snyke> esdi: viel?
16:37 < esden> nope armijn not yet ;-)
16:37 < snyke> eher wenig!
16:37 < esden> surprise: too much
16:37 < esden> argh
16:37 < snyke> :)
16:37 < snyke> warum?
16:37 < snyke> der fw hat doch auch 10gb gmacht oder?
16:37 < esden> i mean snyke
16:37 < snyke> in seinen besten zeiten
16:38 < esden> yes but that is not good like this ... 
16:38 < snyke> und jetz is im bchat sogar noch dauer-idlen, d.H. eigentlich dürfte da ja relativ wenig drauf sein
16:38 < esden> we do not have money to pay that traffic
16:38 < snyke> hmm
16:38 < esden> and the first traffic producer that will be turned out will be apollo
16:38 < aszlig> snyke: hmm, coukd you possibly speak english or c?
16:39 < aszlig> s/oukd/ould/
16:39 < snyke> nod vaeri gud :)
16:39 < snyke> bud a bid :)
16:39 < armijn> anyone got a glibc 2.1 system ready to build rock on?
16:40 < th> hmm
16:40 < armijn> I might have a patch...
16:40 < th> libc-2.1.3.so
16:40 < th> ROCK Linux 1.4.0 i686 (native, 2001/04/28)
16:41 < armijn> just needs to be tested first...
16:41 < armijn> th: but you can't build a new ROCK on that, with glibc 2.2, right?
16:41 < th> armijn: don't know
16:41 < armijn> hmm...
16:42 < th> i always install binary from cd. i build extensions from source then and some more packages
16:42 < esden> that is what should be tested ...
16:43 -!- sleon|tuX [~sleon@p50835875.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting")
16:44 < th> tell me what to do and i'll try
16:44 -!- holyolli [~oregehr@rossini.marcant.net] has joined #rocklinux
16:44 < holyolli> hi
16:45 < armijn> th: download rock 1.5.14 (rocklinux.dyndns.org/snapshots/) and build it ;)
16:45 < esden> hi holyolli 
16:45 < holyolli> hi esden
16:45 < armijn> th: and let me know if it fails ;)
16:45 < [BenHur]> moin holy
16:45 < holyolli> bennie??
16:45 < holyolli> du hier?
16:45 < [BenHur]> jo
16:45 < holyolli> *wunder*
16:45 < tsa> holyolli: er konvertiert jetzt..
16:45 < holyolli> hehe
16:45 < [BenHur]> ma gucken was so linux leute machen ;)
16:46 < tsa> freebsd taugt ja doch nix...
16:46 < [BenHur]> *duck*
16:46 < snyke> ...
16:46 < esden> snyke: ruhe ;-)
16:46 < snyke> ich sag doch gar nix :)
16:46 < aszlig> *lol*
16:46 < snyke> ich finds nur schade
16:46 < tsa> so...besprechung.
16:46 < aszlig> snyke: aber du wolltest was sagen :P
16:46 < esden> was warum ?
16:46 < tsa> bbl
16:46 -!- tsa is now known as tsa|afk
16:46 < snyke> anstatt gemeinsam gg. m$ zu arbeiten
16:47 < snyke> bekriegen sich die distris schon intern
16:47 < holyolli> tsa|afk: ich komm auch gleich
16:47 < holyolli> ;)
16:47 < snyke> das find ich voll nich ok
16:47 < aszlig> s/distris/derivats/
16:47 < snyke> jeder für sein linux/unix, aber einfach sagen das das eine oder andere nix taugt das find ich unfair
16:47 -!- holyolli is now known as holy|afk
16:47 * -> esden holt sich schokolade
16:47 -!- [BenHur] is now known as ben|afk
16:47 * aszlig holt sich kaffee und jolt
16:48 < aszlig> die _letzte_ jolt!
16:48 < snyke> hm
16:48 < term_aweh> hier in hamburg hats kein jolt :/
16:48 * snyke holt sich ne milch *fg*
16:48 < th> armijn: freeing some disk-space...
16:49 < snyke> joke
16:49 < armijn> th: fast machine?
16:49 < th> model name      : AMD Athlon(tm) processor
16:50 < aszlig> goin': smoke a cig =)
16:50 < th> stepping        : 2
16:50 < th> cpu MHz         : 1200.054
16:50 < th> cache size      : 256 KB
16:50 < th> 768MB ram
16:50 < armijn> th: ok, fast enough
16:50 < armijn> th: will still take a few hours. I'm primarily interested in what happens in "stage 2"
16:50 < armijn> if stuff fails
16:51 < th> how much diskspace do i need?
16:51 < armijn> 3 GB, is that feasible?
16:51 < th>                        41G   33G  6.9G  83% /store
16:52 < th> armijn: have i to log stuff by hand?
16:53 < rxr_away> hi
16:53 -!- rxr_away is now known as rxr
16:53 < rxr> have I missed s.th. important ?
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16:54 < armijn> th: no
16:54 < armijn> th: logs are made by the build system
16:54 < armijn> th: you will need the sources though
16:55 < armijn> rxr: do you know if it is still impossible to build ROCK on a glibc 2.1 system?
16:57 < rxr> armijn: what do you mean with still impossible ?
16:57 < armijn> I heard there where some troubles with it...
16:58 < rxr> 1.7 and dRock 1.6 (both gibc2.2) build both fine on my lgibc-2.1 system ... - and I also tried 1.5 some month back without any problem ...
16:58 < aszlig> goin' out
16:58 < aszlig> c'ya all
16:59 < armijn> hmm...I think I see where the linker options get set...
16:59 < snyke> hrm
16:59 < armijn> th: ehr, not necessary anymore :(
16:59 < armijn> th: but at least you got some more free diskspace :)
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17:00 < armijn> why haven't the scripts never been documented?
17:00 < armijn> frustrating
17:00 < jonath[an]> hi guys
17:03 < armijn> hi
17:03 < armijn> rxr: do you know when misc/linux/autoconf.h is copied to /usr/include/linux ?
17:05 < armijn> oh, yeah, like DUH!
17:05 < armijn> I see it now
17:05 < armijn> (I think)
17:06 < armijn>  cp $base/misc/linux/autoconf.h include/linux/
17:06 < armijn> (from linux.conf)
17:06 < armijn> is that correct?
17:06 < blindcoder> hmm is therea trick to get the 1.5.14 iso bootable or am I just missing something?
17:06 < esden> re jonath[an] our monologue speaker ;-)
17:06 < esden> hi blindcoder !!!
17:07 < blindcoder> hi esden *hughug*
17:07 < armijn> I really got to get my machine online...
17:07 < esden> *rehughug*
17:07 * blindcoder runs to esden and cries: "My iso isn't booting"
17:07 < esden> hmm ...
17:07 < jonath[an]> esden: hi
17:07 < jonath[an]> esden: sure, :)
17:08 < esden> has your installdisk subdist built ?
17:08 < esden> jonath[an]: quote from ircstats: "jonath[an]
17:08 < esden>                                                                          delivered 1 monologues, although nobody listened"
17:08 < blindcoder> hmm i followed the instrutions in BUILD and the only .err files i got were from some gnome-packages and rsync
17:08 < esden> hmm I hate html ...
17:09 < jonath[an]> :p
17:09 < esden> hmm blindcoder that is at least funny ...
17:09 < snyke> hi blindcoder 
17:09 < armijn> gonna grab some food
17:09 < armijn> will be back later
17:09 < blindcoder> me hits esden with a very large club with nails in it
17:09 < jonath[an]> well, i am here even when you are sleeping, i used to speak alone :p
17:09 < jonath[an]> mom
17:09 < esden> blindcoder: I think I will have to see it for my self ...
17:10 * armijn afk
17:10 < blindcoder> then get down in your car and move your ass over here ;)
17:10 < rxr> armijn: yes - this is the only place I can currently find ...
17:10 < blindcoder> esden > or just tell me what to look for
17:10 < esden> blindcoder: haha ... ...
17:10 < esden> donno ...
17:11 < blindcoder> hmm... where should the install-disks reside?
17:12 < esden> urgh ... in dist subdirectory somewhere
17:12 < blindcoder> i can't find any .img (as README states) ins subdists/install-disks/intel
17:12 < rxr> blindcoder: which version of ROCK are you looking at ?
17:12 < esden> does ./scripts/Create-CD intel base 
17:12 < esden> say something ?
17:12 < blindcoder> rxr> 1.5.14
17:15 < rxr> blindcoder: ok - then just follow esden's advices ;-)
17:16 < blindcoder> I just told him I would bring my box to him to install it if he can't help me out here ;)
17:19 * snyke is away (learning)
17:19 < esden> argh ... 
17:20 < snyke> ähm
17:20 < snyke> täusch ich mich
17:20 < jonath[an]> hehe
17:20 < snyke> oder bin ich immo als root hier?
17:20 * -> esden will open a rocc it consulting and support firm ...
17:20 < snyke> so ein shit
17:20 < snyke> brb
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17:20 < snyke> re
17:21 < esden> re ...
17:21 < esden> wo warst als root ?
17:21 < snyke> sowas dummes
17:21 < snyke> irc
17:21 < esden> -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A77.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ("[BX] They killed Kenny! THOSE BASTARDS!"
17:21 < snyke> also per su
17:21 < esden> wo ist da root bitte ?
17:21 < snyke> Username
17:21 < snyke> war charlie root
17:21 < esden> hmm ok ok ...
17:24 < snyke> war ja nicht ganz root
17:24 < snyke> nur ein bisschen (su)
17:25 * snyke away ( learning )
17:30 * blindcoder kicks his debian CDs across the room
17:30 * snyke *auffang*
17:30 < snyke> ql!
17:31 < jonath[an]> i go out for a while ...
17:31 -!- jonath[an] is now known as jonath[away]
17:32 < esden> blindcoder: looool
17:32 < armijn> no wait..there *is* a problem with the linker...
17:32 < armijn> I just remembered
17:33 < armijn> I renamed the symlink to libcrypt on my Debian system and then during compiling sh-utils in stage 1 it couldn't find it...
17:33 < armijn> dammit
17:33 < esden> armijn: layer 8 problem ?
17:34 < armijn> hehe
17:34 < armijn> maybe bug in clifford?
17:34 -!- praenti_ZzZz is now known as praenti
17:34 < praenti> hi
17:34 < snyke> hi praenti 
17:34 < esden> ahh praenti endlich wach
17:35 < rxr> Is SMP online? - Or has s.o. other used star before?
17:35 < praenti> armijn: lol
17:36 < praenti> esden: awake since 10 o clock. but not here...
17:36 < esden> praenti: tztztz
17:36 < esden> ;-)
17:36 < praenti> learning is also important...
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17:37 < snyke> hi netcrow 
17:37 < esden> rxr: he is wathing us and loughing ;-0
17:37 < netcrow> hi
17:37 < esden> hi netcrow
17:37 < blindcoder> :%s/tar.*I/tar\1j/g <-- should be right, ne? esden?
17:37 -!- tsa|afk is now known as tsa
17:37 < tsa> re
17:38 < esden> blindcoder: dunno
17:38 < armijn> esden: oh yeah, SMP is very evil
17:38 < esden> armijn: sure ;-)
17:39 < praenti> re tsa
17:40 -!- hackbard [~hackbard@pD95235A1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
17:40 < esden> re tsa 
17:40 < esden> hi hackbard 
17:41 < hackbard> hi all
17:41 < armijn> hi hackbard
17:41 < praenti> hi hackbard
17:44 < blindcoder> ah... finally he's creating the subdists...
17:44 < esden> blindcoder: good
17:49 < blindcoder> damnit... building the disks requires devfs...
17:49 < armijn> everything requires devfs.
17:49 < jonath[away]> hehe
17:49 -!- jonath[away] is now known as jonath[an]
17:49 < blindcoder> sure, but up till now i could compile it without a mounted devfs
17:50 < armijn> blindcoder: which release?
17:50 < blindcoder> 1.5.14
17:50 < armijn> devfs does get mounted along the way :)
17:50 < esden> blindcoder: create symlinks
17:50 < armijn> eep
17:50 < armijn> symlinks evil
17:50 < esden> yes 
17:50 * blindcoder is just mounting with --bind
17:51 < esden> but it is only for the compile
17:51 < armijn> --blind?
17:51 < esden> I do not know if debian works correctly when devfs is on
17:51 < netcrow> *g*
17:51 < netcrow> esden: test it ;)
17:52 < netcrow> SuSE on devfs ;)
17:52 < blindcoder> do... not... say... these... four... letters... again...
17:52 < esden> netcrow: I already have ...
17:53 < esden> I finally did it
17:53 < netcrow> just for the stats ;-)
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17:53 < d3mian> brb
17:53 < esden> and after tweaking 2 weeks on susu I could compile rock
17:53 < armijn> now, *that* is a good thing to say when you enter IRC :)
17:53 < esden> hi d3mian 
17:53 < armijn> I wanna do that to
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17:53 < armijn> brb
17:54 < armijn> ah, that felt great
17:54 < esden> rofl
17:54 -!- jonath[an] [~jvargas@208.165.55.137] has quit ("< Listen The Silence... And The Voices Around It >")
17:54 -!- d3mian is now known as jonath[an]
17:55 * blindcoder bangs his head onto the table very VERY HARD
17:55 < jonath[an]> back
17:55 < armijn> hey, watch out for the table
17:55 < jonath[an]> i was changing PC
17:55 < jonath[an]> :)
17:56 < blindcoder> i just did something very stupid...
17:56 < armijn> wow, I wish I could change that fast
17:56 < jonath[an]> blindcoder: keep that table!
17:56 < armijn> blindcoder: struck by blindness?
17:56 < esden> ahh another small fix in irclog2html.pl
17:56 < jonath[an]> blindcoder: why dont you use a iron and leave the table
17:56 < armijn> (argh...that nickname...can't...resist...making...fun)
17:56 * jonath[an] is jk
17:56 < blindcoder> no... ignorance... i started ./scripts/Buld-All COPY but the _nodel_ file was missing
17:56 < armijn> oops :))
17:57 < praenti> i hope no kernel-oops ;-))
17:57 < blindcoder> no... user panic ;)
17:57 < praenti> ok
17:57 < armijn> so...it deleted everything
17:57 < armijn> wow.
17:57 < esden> jonath[an]: do not mess with your nicks you are confusing me ...
17:57 -!- ben|afk is now known as [BenHur]
17:58 < esden> once d3mian then jonath[an]
17:58 < esden> that is really confusing ...
17:58 < praenti> blindcoder: do think about that. i started a compile and 8 hours later i made the same mistake...
17:58 < jonath[an]> esden: d3mian was a old nick, my real name is jonathan
17:58 < blindcoder> oh... its still there *phew*... i wasn't root... *jumps*
17:58 < esden> ok but please decide to use on nick so I know who I am talking to ...
17:59 < esden> s/on/one/
17:59 < armijn> he just changes nics, so he won't show up in the statistics
17:59 < jonath[an]> esden: sure, dunt worry, jonath[an] will stay
17:59 < jonath[an]> esden: :)
17:59 < esden> armijn: shut up >_< *gg*
17:59 < armijn> s/nics/nicks/
18:00 < praenti> evil armijn ;-)
18:00 < esden> hehe lool 
18:01 < esden> that is good that I am not the only one that found this out @ praenti 
18:01 < praenti> but its cool.
18:01 * praenti want to be as evil as armijn or SMP
18:01 < armijn> praenti: ooh, that took years of practice
18:02 < praenti> but im not...
18:02 < jonath[an]> hehe
18:02 < armijn> first of all, you got to look older than you really are :)
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18:02 < praenti> armijn: youre right
18:03 < praenti> but now i need some food. cya in 30 minutes
18:03 < armijn> esden: where's FAKE? haven't seen him in a while
18:03 -!- praenti is now known as praenti_eat
18:03 < blindcoder> hmm is it okay if thecreation of the install-disks fails in Finish and Cleanup?
18:03 < esden> hmm he is @ work ... 
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18:06 < Mike1> abend
18:06 < jonath[an]> hola Miguel
18:06 < armijn> buenos dias
18:06 < esden> hi Mike1 
18:06 < Mike1> hehe hola jonath[an]
18:06 < esden> buenas tardes
18:07 < Mike1> armijn: nice spanish there
18:07 < armijn> heh
18:07 < tsa> hi Mike1
18:07 < armijn> there's more where that came from
18:07 < Mike1> great
18:07 < armijn> swear words, etc.
18:08 < Mike1> armijn: i havent get to progress a whole lot with 1.5.13 tomorrow i get back to work, i read ur TODO list thanks it will help me know what i should be doing
18:09 < armijn> mike1: I made more progress
18:09 < armijn> but a few nasty problems are turning up
18:09 < armijn> *very* nasty
18:09 < Mike1> esden: nice to see you considered my proposition about making the install.bin multilanguage, remeber you can count with me to do that
18:09 < Mike1> armijn: what kind of problems
18:09 < blindcoder> esden> have you shut down your web server?
18:10 < esden> ouh ...
18:10 < esden> mom
18:10 < esden> blindcoder: now it is up
18:10 < armijn> http://www.uwyn.com/resources/gentoo_departure.html
18:10 < esden> blindcoder: have you seen the stats and log pages ?
18:11 < blindcoder> only the log so far
18:11 < esden> armijn: woooooohooooo
18:11 < esden> Geert Bevin !!!!!
18:11 < esden> cool
18:11 * -> esden reading
18:11 < Mike1> esden: also do you have some time to update my profile in the rock developers gallery
18:12 < esden> sure send me correction data in an e-mail and I will do in @ Mike1 
18:12 < th> root.segfault /store/rock/rock-1.5.14 # ./scripts/Download 
18:12 < th> ./scripts/Download: Permission denied.
18:12 < th> what's that?
18:13 < tsa> partition read-only mounted?
18:13 < esden> th: this is a cvs co ?
18:13 < th> no
18:13 < th> esden: no
18:13 < th> snapshot
18:13 < esden> hmm ...
18:13 < tsa> mkdir -p src/
18:13 < Mike1> th: ?
18:13 < th> rock-src-1.5.14.tar.bz2
18:13 < blindcoder> esden> okay, i now have the install-disks.tar.bz2 file... anything more to do to not crashing a CDR again?
18:14 < th> tsa: nope
18:14 < esden> blindcoder: no I do not think so ...
18:14 < Mike1> th: ./scripts/Download -[option]
18:14 < esden> try making an iso
18:14 < esden> and booting it .. @ blindcoder 
18:15 < th> root.segfault /store/rock/rock-1.5.14 # ./scripts/Download -base
18:15 < th> ./scripts/Download: Permission denied.
18:15 < th> i ran the repair.sh tool but it failed
18:16 < th> i'm really confused
18:16 < th> but it's no rock problem i suppose
18:16 < th> root.segfault /store/rock/rock-1.5.14 # cat > foo
18:16 < th> #!/bin/sh
18:16 < th> echo test
18:16 < th> root.segfault /store/rock/rock-1.5.14 # chmod 755 foo 
18:16 < th> root.segfault /store/rock/rock-1.5.14 # ./foo 
18:16 < blindcoder> okay... let's have another try
18:16 < th> ./foo: Permission denied.
18:17 < Mike1> th: i have never got those problems ever, you are doing it as root?
18:17 < th> yes
18:17 < th> strange
18:17 < th> i even can't run a mini-script
18:18 < Mike1> th: i dont think my problems are even similar to yours
18:18 < Mike1> seems like your problems is with bash or something like that
18:18 < blindcoder> esden> looks good, the iso is "a few" Megs larger
18:19 * Mike1 wrting mail for esden
18:19 < esden> blindcoder: that is good
18:19 < th> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part1 on /store type ext3 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
18:19 < th> mounted NOEXEC ;)
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18:19 < armijn> heheh
18:19 < th> tricky
18:19 < armijn> esden: read the story?
18:20 < esden> armijn: I am on it
18:20 < th> ./scripts/Download -base is running
18:20 < Mike1> th: hehe
18:21 < armijn> esden: interesting read...
18:22 < blindcoder> *ARGH*
18:22 < blindcoder> esden> if this continues I'm going to pick you up in a few minutes' time
18:23 < esden> ????
18:23 < jonath[an]> blindcoder: dunt hurry up
18:23 < blindcoder> It's still not booting
18:23 < jonath[an]> well, in some PCs, my Rock discs dont boots
18:23 < blindcoder> wtf am I mssing...
18:24 < esden> don't be so unpatient ..
18:24 < jonath[an]> these are Dell Systems
18:24 * blindcoder is using a Siemend Mobile 310CS
18:24 < blindcoder> Siemens
18:25 < esden> try to boot the cd in an other box
18:25 < jonath[an]> sure
18:25 * blindcoder searches the CD in his room *search* *search*
18:26 < jonath[an]> hehe
18:26 < blindcoder> okay, brb
18:28 < armijn> esden: but FAKE hasn't posted stuff to the mailinglist for a long while as well...
18:29 < esden> yes ... I know
18:29 < esden> write him a email ...
18:29 < esden> he currently stucks in leeching >_<
18:29 < esden> and wasting his skills on it >_<
18:29 < armijn> leeching...
18:30 < esden> we have to get him back to productive stuff ;-)
18:30 < armijn> yeah
18:30 < armijn> like the MIPS port
18:30 < esden> exact
18:30 < esden> armijn: write him a email ...
18:31 < armijn> even though it is more evil than sparc64 and alpha combined :)))
18:31 < esden> I know ;-)
18:32 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pD952258A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
18:32 < bluefire> Moin
18:32 < jonath[an]> hi bluefire
18:32 < jonath[an]> i go for eating sth, brb
18:32 < snyke> hi bluefire #
18:33 -!- jonath[an] is now known as jonath]an[
18:33 < armijn> esden: CC you?
18:33 < esden> if you want ...
18:33 < esden> I will kick him to answer you when I see him ;-)
18:34 < armijn> who decides who's in the core team?
18:35 < esden> we ... 
18:35 < Mike1> armijn: ROCK Linux core team_
18:35 < Mike1> ?
18:36 < esden> I don't know who is in the core team
18:36 < esden> this in nowhere defined
18:36 < armijn> http://www1.rocklinux.org/sources/Documentation/TEAM
18:36 < armijn> esden: it is
18:36 < armijn> esden: see the webpage
18:36 < Mike1> esden: Documentation/TEAM
18:36 < esden> okok
18:37 < Mike1> yeah that is defined by Cliff as far as i know
18:37 < armijn> I personally think it is bullshit, but hey
18:37 < esden> hmm are you sure that this list is up to date ?
18:38 < armijn> mike1: you're in the core team...what does it do?
18:38 < Mike1> armijn: its not really impportant to be listed or not, all that matters is ur own work , but hey some names most be written
18:38 < Mike1> esden: no it is definitly not updated
18:38 < armijn> mike1: no no no no no...there is even a seperate mailinglist
18:38 < esden> hmm ok ...
18:38 < Mike1> but no one has the time or the patience to send a patch
18:38 < esden> otherwise I would redesigh the gallery
18:39 < armijn> the gallery is much nicer
18:39 < Mike1> is really nice
18:39 < armijn> pays more respect to the people who do the work :)
18:39 < esden> i do not categorize people there ...
18:39 < armijn> esden: and you shouldn't!
18:40 < Mike1> armijn: specially if your heading the list hehe 
18:40 < armijn> mike1: hehe :)
18:40 < esden> I only say what they do and how do they look like
18:40 < Mike1> esden: i really think that the gallery was a great idea, and you should keep it
18:41 < esden> Mike1: thanks :-) I will keep it ... I am not going to gentoo ;-)
18:41 < Mike1> there diferent kind of people working in the project some care about having their names writen others do not
18:42 < armijn> hmm...are you implying something, mike1?
18:42 < esden> I must say I like it when my name is written somewhere ... beside the black lists
18:43 < Mike1> even thought i we have different mailing list we should sort of have different gallerys so only the people that is actually working can be recognized or something like that
18:43 < esden> It is giving me more self confidence and motivation in what I am doing
18:43 < Mike1> armijn: what does implying mean?
18:43 < armijn> esden: credits given where credits due, so to speak
18:43 < armijn> mike1: find a dictionairy :)
18:43 * Mike1 too lazy
18:44 < blindcoder> iie... it's not booting on the other machine as well
18:44 < rxr> does 1.5 need still the NFS mounts for builds, too?
18:44 < esden> http://www.leo.org
18:44 < blindcoder> I MUST have missed something...
18:44 < armijn> rxr: not necessarily
18:44 < esden> rxr: not need
18:44 < rxr> armijn: but it is still the prefered way - in contrast to the slow copy mode ?
18:45 -!- praenti_eat is now known as praenti
18:45 < Mike1> armijn: implying = implicar
18:45 < esden> rxr: you can choose between nfs mount and copy
18:45 < praenti> re
18:45 < Mike1> armijn: nah i am not implying anything
18:45 < Mike1> re praenti
18:45 < esden> but mount -bind is not implemented yet
18:45 < rxr> esden: ok - so nothing changed since ROCK-1.4 in this area?
18:45 < esden> rxr: I do not know if it will be ever implemented
18:45 < armijn> rxr: btw, I remembered that there are some problems with linking
18:45 < esden> rxr: nope ... 
18:45 < rxr> esden: what will never implemented
18:46 < armijn> rxr: I built stage 1 glibc and sh-utils
18:46 < esden> lc display support ;-)
18:46 < armijn> rxr: and su needs libcrypt
18:46 < rxr> esden: ? hae?
18:46 < armijn> rxr: I removeed the symlink to libcrypt on my debian system and then rebuilt sh-utils
18:46 < armijn> and su couldn't find libcrypt anymore
18:46 < esden> *durchatm*
18:47 < rxr> in 1.7 we copy on a per package basis per default ...
18:47 < rxr> pretty cool - really easy ;-)
18:47 < armijn> really need to dig into that problem
18:47 < tsa> bbl.
18:47 < armijn> because it is eeeevil and not nice if it is actually true what I think that happens...
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18:48 < armijn> should keep me happy for another weekend :((
18:48 < esden> rxr: I have already told you about that some time ago ... this is the feature that you can display your compile information on a matrix character lcd display ... connected to your parallel or serial port
18:48 < armijn> oh yeah, that is a feature that should be standard!
18:49 < esden> haha armijn 
18:49 < armijn> you will need an LCD display to build ROCK, as much as you need DevFS
18:49 < esden> it is a gimmic ...
18:49 < armijn> why not make it a subdistro :)
18:49 < esden> but i like it ...
18:49 < esden> you do not have to make fun of me all the time :-(
18:49 < armijn> aww, why not? I enjoy it so much...
18:50 < armijn> remember I'm evil.
18:50 < Mike1> There will be a 4 day event by august here and i was thinking about having a ROCK Linux Stand, is anyone interested in coming over to COsta Rica by that time to have a vacation and give me a hand?
18:50 < armijn> what event?
18:50 < esden> armijn: yess that is sure that you are evil ....
18:50 < jonath]an[> Mike1: what?
18:51 < rxr> esden: We shold not integrate it into the core scripts, but provide hooks, that are called per packge and error notifiing about the progress ;-)
18:51 -!- jonath]an[ is now known as jonath[an]
18:51 < Mike1> its a whole computing thing named CompuExpo
18:51 < esden> rxr: I know ...
18:51 < esden> rxr: in 1.5 it will be hardcoded
18:51 < esden> in 1.7 it will be made using hooks
18:51 < jonath[an]> ahh
18:51 < Mike1> it has been growinf and getting better with the time so i think it would be cool to have a stand with some sparcs and pcs over there 
18:52 < esden> I spoke about it with clifford
18:52 < rxr> Mike1: Sounds cool - but time and money :-( ...
18:52 < Mike1> rxr: :(
18:52 < praenti> armijn: why did geert leave rock then?
18:52 < armijn> praenti: because he liked GenToo better
18:52 < jonath[an]> gentoo again
18:52 < Mike1> jonath[an]: how about you?
18:53 < jonath[an]> Mike1: i think go there
18:53 < praenti> ok. but gentoo is dominated by one person. rock is dominated by the developer-community
18:53 < Mike1> good
18:53 < Mike1> armijn: ?
18:53 < jonath[an]> Mike1: can i go with u?
18:53 < rxr> praenti: really! Only one core person? Have you a link?
18:53 < praenti> i think that is more important than i like a concept, that is ruled by one person
18:53 < jonath[an]> Mike1: willbe cool expose Rock
18:54 < praenti> rxr: ok. perhaps not only by one person. have read geerts statement?
18:54 < rxr> praenti: not fully - was boring ...
18:54 < jonath[an]> ?
18:55 < armijn> mike1: ehr? wassup?
18:55 < Mike1> jonath[an]: yeah you can come with me
18:55 < Mike1> armijn: will you join us?
18:55 < praenti> rxr: last passage is interesting!
18:55 < rxr> praenti: ok - I'll read it in an hour ...
18:55 < Mike1> what makes gentoo interesting at all?
18:55 * rxr shopping
18:55 < armijn> afk, brb
18:55 -!- rxr is now known as rxr-away
18:56 < praenti> Mike1: ask esden. he spend some time to think about that and how we can be better ;-)
18:58 < Mike1> personal opinion there is no distro like rock linux, one of the best thing is that we can decide things and have a lot of control, together we can make awesome improvements that a single person would never do
18:58 < Mike1> its nice to be heard and be able to do great stuff for this kind of projects, i don't think i will ever go away from rock
18:59 < esden> Mike1: my speach
18:59 < Mike1> esden: what you think
19:00 < esden> that is one of the beautiful things at rock .. the control ... 
19:00 < esden> I will also sever leave cuz I know you guys
19:00 < esden> perhups I will go if you piss me of
19:01 < esden> but I hope that we are civilized enough so that something that will piss of my person will net happen
19:01 < Mike1> esden: what kind of thing would piss you off?
19:02 < esden> dunno ... blocking inovation
19:02 < esden> blocking ideas ...
19:02 < esden> attacking someone directly
19:02 < esden> flamewars about stupid childish stuff
19:02 < esden> aso
19:02 < esden> .
19:02 < Mike1> its very unusual to have this kind of problems so i think its ok
19:03 * Mike1 away
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19:11 < armijn> esden: like flamewars about your LCD thing?
19:11 * armijn runs
19:13 < praenti> ??
19:14 < armijn> praenti: you know about esden's LCD thing?
19:14 < esden> armijn: loool ... 
19:14 < armijn> hmm...shall I go to CCC this year?
19:14 < praenti> armijn: i know what he want to do and what he has done to now. but i dont know the rest
19:14 < esden> armijn: I will implement it send a patch to clifford
19:15 < esden> thara will be no discussion ;-)
19:15 < praenti> esden: dvorak problem?
19:15 < jonath[an]> I would like to invite all people to chat with us about
19:15 < jonath[an]>  rock there ;-) Yes you too Clifford :D
19:15 < netcrow> the lsd-patch ;)
19:15 < jonath[an]> why does Cliff never is here
19:15 < armijn> no, not lsd
19:15 < jonath[an]> ?
19:16 < armijn> jonath[an]: because Clifford is usually in hospital, because he broke yet another bodypart
19:16 < esden> praenti: yepp ....
19:16 < jonath[an]> armijn: sure, i know about the horse
19:16 < jonath[an]> but, he never is here
19:17 < jonath[an]> i think that if he 'll be here, things will be faster
19:17 < jonath[an]> well, i guess, really, i dunno about Cliff availability
19:18 < armijn> clifford and available?
19:18 < armijn> haha
19:18 < praenti> hehe
19:18 < armijn> even when he's supposed to be available he isn't :)
19:21 < jonath[an]> umm
19:21 < jonath[an]> ic
19:22 < armijn> whoohoo! Bill Cheswick will do the keynote on SANE!
19:23 < esden> yes cliff is avalable if you call him 
19:24 < praenti> esden: but only then ;-)
19:24 < armijn> he's an independent insultant right?
19:24 < jonath[an]> hehe
19:25 < praenti> btw. who of us is really available at all?
19:25 < armijn> one of those guys who you hire if you don't like your sysadmin
19:25 < th> what do you mean by "available"? ;)
19:25 < armijn> to give your sysadmin a hard time
19:25 < armijn> th: I hope nothing in the physical sense...
19:26 < praenti> th: think irony
19:26 < armijn> esden: watch out, I'm going for the number one position :)
19:26 < blindcoder> vim bui
19:26 < armijn> in the stats
19:26 < blindcoder> damn...
19:26 < praenti> then you know the definition
19:26 < esden> armijn: in the stats ??
19:26 < armijn> esden: irc stats
19:26 < esden> and is that a prablem ?
19:27 < armijn> esden: maybe for you, but for me it isn't a problem
19:27 < esden> I am currentle talking with blindcoder ... he is having BIG problems creating install-disks so that his cd boots
19:27 < esden> armijn: nat for me
19:27 < blindcoder> there sems to be a general prlbem... a parameter to rename is missing...
19:28 < armijn> esden: k, btw, script doesn't seem to update...I think
19:28 < esden> which script ???
19:28 < armijn> esden: the irc stats script
19:29 < esden> it is updating
19:29 < esden> every 15 minutes
19:29 < armijn> 15 minutes?
19:29 < esden> yepp
19:29 < armijn> k
19:30 < jonath[an]> esden: what is the irc stats script?
19:30 < jonath[an]> i dunno
19:31 < esden> jonath[an]: http://www.esden.net/rocklinux/ircstats/
19:31 < jonath[an]> ok
19:31 < armijn> heh, it has updated
19:31 < armijn> guess I was just too fast everytime
19:33 < jonath[an]> kool stats
19:33 < jonath[an]> :)
19:37 < esden> jonath[an]: I have posted this url to the mailinglist ... nobody is reading my mail :-(( *cry*
19:40 < blindcoder> Size of boot image is 5760 sectors -> Emulating a 2.88 meg floppy
19:40 < blindcoder> finally it looks like it MIGHT work
19:40 < esden> it will work
19:40 < th> 5760 for 2.88MB?
19:40 < esden> now it is correct
19:40 < th> cool
19:40 < esden> th:  that is ok
19:41 < esden> i think ... ;-)
19:41 < blindcoder> esden if it doesn'tthen you owe me a CD-r ;)
19:41 < th> ;
19:41 < th> >
19:41 < esden> blindcoder: >_<
19:41 < jonath[an]> hehe
19:42 < blindcoder> esden> what about tomorrow? shall I pick you up or do you use your bike?
19:42 < praenti> can i see this line in the stats?
19:42 < jonath[an]> excuse me, what is Runner-up?
19:42 < esden> blindcoder: hmm ... I take my bike ...
19:42 < armijn> praenti: no.
19:42 < armijn> jonath[an]: no dictionairies in costa rica?
19:43 < praenti> i see
19:43 < jonath[an]> armijn: no with tww words joined
19:43 < jonath[an]> tww/two
19:43 < jonath[an]> :)
19:43 < armijn> runner up: number two
19:43 < blindcoder> jonath[an]> runner-up means the one who gets close to another (I thinkÜ)
19:43 < armijn> in a competition
19:44 < jonath[an]> umm, ok
19:44 -!- hackbard is now known as hack^afk
19:44 < jonath[an]> thnx
19:44 < hack^afk> later
19:44 < jonath[an]> bye Frank
19:45 < praenti> esden: how are the big numbers generated?
19:45 < jonath[an]> hehe
19:45 < jonath[an]> these stats are really cool esden
19:46 < esden> armijn: lool your mail to fake is really good ;-)
19:46 < blindcoder> how are the quotes taken?
19:46 < th> blindcoder: random
19:47 < blindcoder> i see... I was afraid of having that "I just did something very stupid" forever ;)
19:47 < esden> praenti: read the code of gruftistats and you will know ;-)
19:47 < esden> this is not my work 
19:47 < blindcoder> YEAH!!!!! IT'S BOOOOOOOOTING!!!!
19:47 < praenti> armijn: what mail? i want to read ist
19:47 < esden> blindcoder: puhh finally *starb*
19:48 < jonath[an]> thats really cool blindcoder
19:48 < esden> *die*
19:48 < jonath[an]> xDDD
19:48 < blindcoder> esden> you may keep me your CD-R ;)
19:48 < esden> i thought that it will never happen
19:48 < armijn> praenti: no, you're not evil enoguh.
19:49 < esden> blindcoder: forget it ...
19:49 < armijn> oh, can I have it then?
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19:50 < esden> armijn: I take all my stuff to my grave ... like a pharao
19:51 < esden> armijn: so forget it ;-)
19:51 < blindcoder> i guess now is a good time to read Documentation/INSTALL ;)
19:51 < esden> muahaha .. yess ...
19:51 < praenti> esden: i dont see. the linegeneration
19:51 < jonath[an]> hehehe
19:52 < esden> praenti: me neither ... i do not have the code handy
19:52 < praenti> axo
19:54 < snyke> *bim*
19:54 < jonath[an]> Mike1: still you there?
19:55 < jonath[an]> umm, maybe this night i install rock.1.5.13
19:55 < esden> quote rxr mail :b) a kernel module for really hard-core, speed, ... freaks ;-)
19:55 < esden> I want it I want it !!!!
19:56 < jonath[an]> sure, ill install rock tonight
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19:56 < netcrow> re
19:56 < esden> re netcrow 
19:57 < netcrow> back with xchat 
19:57 < esden> baehhhh
19:57 < netcrow> hehe
19:58 < praenti> netti: if you want x that use gtkbitchx
19:58 < praenti> and not xchat :-(
19:58 < esden> or irssi gtk frontend ...
19:59 < esden> praenti: read this : http://www.uwyn.com/resources/gentoo_departure.html
19:59 < praenti> had read it an hour ago
20:00 < esden> ohh ups ... sorry ... :-(
20:05 < blindcoder> okay, the installation is running
20:05 < jonath[an]> blindcoder: what rock are you installing?
20:06 < blindcoder> 1.5.14 on my laptop
20:06 < jonath[an]> ok
20:07 < jonath[an]> where can i get a 1.5.14 iso?
20:07 < jonath[an]> a good site in ftp and near to America
20:07 < jonath[an]> ?
20:07 < Mike1> jonath[an]: build it ! :P
20:07 < blindcoder> i didn't want to say it...
20:07 < esden> exact
20:07 < Mike1> my server :D
20:07 * Mike1 back
20:07 < jonath[an]> Mike1: you know i dont have resources to do it
20:08 < esden> so create the resources
20:08 < Mike1> if i get the time i will make one for you
20:08 < esden> or buy ... theft ... borrow
20:08 < jonath[an]> when i say resources, i mean Hard Disk, free space, a good processor and a high memor
20:08 < jonath[an]> y
20:09 < Mike1> or ask esden for help :)
20:09 < esden> whish for xmas
20:09 < jonath[an]> Mike1: kool
20:09 -!- rxr-away is now known as rxr
20:09 < Mike1> re rxr
20:09 < jonath[an]> esden: da you want me ask for ur help?
20:09 < jonath[an]> xDD
20:09 < rxr> esden: in what content did you try to quote me from a mail I used send out ?
20:09 < esden> jonath[an]: not really ;-)
20:09 < blindcoder> esden > you wanted to know the compile-time: it was 13 hours
20:10 < esden> blindcoder: mine was exact the same
20:10 < Mike1> blindcoder: can i have an iso of ur build?
20:10 < blindcoder> sure
20:10 < esden> rxr: i found it funny
20:10 < jonath[an]> esden: jk
20:10 < Mike1> blindcoder: url?
20:10 < Mike1> jonath[an]: i will give you an iso ok?
20:11 < jonath[an]> Mike1: when can we meet us?
20:11 < jonath[an]> Mike1: Compuexpo?
20:11 < Mike1> friday
20:11 < jonath[an]> Mike1: or before?
20:11 < rxr> esden: Ah! I just saw no relation with the messages arround the quote ...
20:11 < jonath[an]> Mike1: sure, it is ok for me
20:11 < Mike1> jonath[an]: before
20:11 < esden> rxr: there was none ;-)
20:11 < jonath[an]> Mike1: where?
20:11 < jonath[an]> Mike1: costarica.net?
20:12 < Mike1> is there a create-cd script for 1.7? or anyone doing it by now? esden?
20:12 < jonath[an]> Mike1: btw, what about the new job?
20:12 < Mike1> jonath[an]: yes at my new office
20:12 -!- wschlich_ [~wschlich@pD9E3E599.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:12 < armijn> maybe clifford wants to go to costa rica
20:13 < Mike1> if hes not in the hospital
20:13 < jonath[an]> well, you have to show me where it is located
20:13 < rxr> Mike1: No there isn't. We first need the install-disk target (Esden?). But I'll start a rescue target tonight ;-)
20:13 < Mike1> rxr excellent
20:14 < Mike1> hi wschlich
20:14 < rxr> esden: Cliff said you'll to the new install-disk - is this still actual?
20:15 < jonath[an]> brb
20:21 < netcrow> hmm..my digitalcamera crashes..
20:26 < esden> rxr: I am working on it like crazy
20:27 < armijn> ah, that explains a lot
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20:28 < esden> armijn: ???
20:28 < armijn> well...esden, crazy...
20:28 < armijn> all of a sudden everything comes together
20:28 < blindcoder> armijn > tel us somethig new ;)
20:28 < armijn> and it makes sense
20:28 < esden> I am crazy ... i know ...
20:28 < armijn> esden: no, you're not...
20:29 < armijn> you're not doing MIPS :)
20:29 < armijn> or sparc :)
20:29 < esden> okok ...
20:29 < armijn> hehehehee
20:29 < jonath[an]> all of you are crazy
20:29 < jonath[an]> so, i go now
20:29 < jonath[an]> cya
20:29 < esden> cu jonath[an] 
20:29 < esden> lol
20:29 < jonath[an]> hehe
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20:32 < jonath[an]> wowwww
20:32 < jonath[an]> i dunt have classes!
20:32 < armijn> back so soon?
20:32 < jonath[an]> :)
20:32 < Mike1> wb jonath[an]
20:32 < esden> jonath[an]: ???
20:32 < armijn> he doesn't have C++ classes...
20:32 < jonath[an]> xD
20:32 < Mike1> esden: i just sent you a mail with that update i told you about
20:32 < armijn> or Java classes
20:33 < jonath[an]> :(
20:33 < jonath[an]> Java
20:33 < armijn> but that's not a problem, you can make them yourself
20:33 < jonath[an]> :(
20:33 < esden> Mike1: thanks
20:33 < jonath[an]> but im learning C by myself
20:33 < Mike1> jonath[an]: what do you like the most, Java, C or C++?
20:33 < Mike1> esden: bitte
20:33 < jonath[an]> i dunno C++
20:33 < jonath[an]> i prefer C
20:34 < jonath[an]> can you imaginate a spreadsheet made with Java>
20:34 < jonath[an]> ?
20:34 < armijn> yeah
20:34 < Mike1> yes 
20:34 < armijn> definitely
20:34 < jonath[an]> (imaginate/imagine?)
20:34 < jonath[an]> really?
20:34 * Mike1 imagining....
20:35 < jonath[an]> im doing one right now
20:35 -!- netcrow [~netcrow@pD9EB6BA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("*argh*")
20:35 < armijn> what do you think MS-Office is written in?
20:35 < armijn> MS-Office is all C++, with COM
20:35 < armijn> and they will add C# things later on
20:35 < esden> Mike1: updated
20:35 < Mike1> esden danke
20:35 < jonath[an]> i have a lot of time without use MSOffice
20:35 < esden> Mike1: bitte ;-)
20:36 < Mike1> jonath[an]: you don't use MS Weird ... i mean word
20:36 < jonath[an]> hehe
20:36 < jonath[an]> well, nop
20:36 < jonath[an]> i used soffice
20:36 < jonath[an]> but i prefer Abiword
20:37 < jonath[an]> and i print them with samba
20:37 < jonath[an]> hier, auf die University
20:37 < armijn> jaja, genau
20:37 < Mike1> jonath[an]: what do ytou prefer lpd or CUPS?
20:37 < armijn> Bier! Bier! Bier!
20:38 < jonath[an]> i havent used CUPS
20:38 < Mike1> Beer Beer Beer!
20:38 * -> esden wants beer
20:38 < Mike1> oops wrong expression :D
20:38 * Mike1 same here
20:38 < jonath[an]> i prefer a bavaria beer
20:39 * Mike1 drinks ROCK
20:39 < esden> 28 different nicks till now ...
20:39 < praenti> esden: i have beer
20:39 < Mike1> there is a beer named rock ice in CR
20:39 < armijn> oh god
20:39 < esden> praenti: what we can do now ?
20:39 < Mike1> praenti: lucky guy
20:39 < armijn> that's american crap...
20:40 < armijn> mike1: sorry to say, but they can't brew beer in america...*all* of america
20:40 < Mike1> armijn: i will get the chance to try German beer by 19c3
20:40 < armijn> north, middle and south
20:40 < armijn> german beer is overrated as well
20:40 < esden> you can came take me we drink a beer and you bring me home ... ;-)
20:40 < Mike1> armijn: yeah i know
20:41 < jonath[an]> sure, ive listened the richness of the beer in deutschland
20:41 < praenti> esden: i thought i come to you bring two bottles gutmann with me
20:41 < esden> also a good idea ...
20:41 < Mike1> armijn: what linux distro are you using to build rock for sparc64?
20:41 < esden> so do it like this ...
20:41 < esden> ;-) @ praenti 
20:42 < armijn> mike1: debian
20:42 < blindcoder> praenti > come and fetch me b4 going to esden ;)
20:42 * Mike1 using Splack
20:42 < esden> ahh good blindcoder is coming too ;-)
20:42 < praenti> blindcoder: ok. i'll take 3 bottles with me
20:42 < Mike1> seems like there will be a party 
20:43 -!- praenti is now known as praenti_onwaytoe
20:43 < jonath[an]> Mike1: splack, do you mean slackware volador?
20:43 -!- praenti_onwaytoe is now known as praenti_to_esden
20:44 < praenti_to_esden> one thing. i need 5 minutes waiting for an ending auction
20:44 < praenti_to_esden> at ebay
20:44 < Mike1> jonath[an]: sort of, Splack is the a project leaded by Alvaro Figueroa based on the unmaintaned Slackware port for sparc
20:44 < jonath[an]> Mike1: umm, Figueroa is a student in the ULatina?
20:45 < jonath[an]> ive seen bim before in GULCR
20:45 < esden> praenti_to_esden: take glass with you !!!!!
20:45 < jonath[an]> bim/him
20:45 < praenti_to_esden> ok
20:45 < Mike1> yeah he works in the Servers area hes the bossman of the admins
20:46 < jonath[an]> i can see clearly now
20:46 < jonath[an]> i undertand
20:46 < Mike1> ok 
20:47 < jonath[an]> Mike1: where can i contact you for the rock iso?
20:47 < jonath[an]> Mike1: i dunno where is placed costarica.net
20:47 < Mike1> today is my last day in Vadenu so if you need/want to call me you can contact me at 283-7302
20:47 < Mike1> or at my home 441-4405
20:48 < armijn> ah, now we've got mike1s phonenumber in the logs!
20:48 < Mike1> i will give you my new office phone as soon as i know it
20:48 < Mike1> armijn: sure
20:48 < jonath[an]> ok Mike1
20:48 < armijn> mike1: on the www
20:48 < inode> finish compiling  6rh51min
20:48 < inode> now what?
20:48 < Mike1> armijn: it doesn't really matter to me
20:49 < blindcoder> so... now's the big moment... the first boot of my first rocklinu installation ;)
20:49 < jonath[an]> will are you connected these days in irc Miguel?
20:50 < jonath[an]> for contacting you
20:50 < esden> puhh now I shouldn't stink so terribly ;-)
20:50 < armijn> esden: excuse me?
20:51 < esden> armijn: forget it :D
20:51 < armijn> esden: is it because praenti is coming and he smells worse than you?
20:51 < Mike1> jonath[an]: i don't think so i will be really busy dealing with the mess at the new office, and building on a Ultra 5, but feel free to email me
20:51 < armijn> so, relatively you smell less?
20:51 * armijn cranks up Annihilator
20:51 < jonath[an]> ok Mike1
20:52 < Mike1> is this a smellers contest ? lol
20:52 < inode> after build-all copy  what do i do??? take and burn it?
20:52 < jonath[an]> i have to parse sth
20:52 < esden> errmmm armijn waht is the name of the stuff you are smoking ... and where do you get it ?
20:52 -!- jonath[an] is now known as jonath[away]
20:52 < armijn> esden: well...actually...I'm not smoking anything
20:53 < armijn> not allowed inside the university
20:53 < armijn> esden: but I've got some special stuff at home, that makes you completely mad...
20:53 < esden> armijn: hmm ... but you sound like someone smoking really havy stuff ;-)
20:53 < armijn> can't bring it if I go to CCC, because it's a bit too heavy...
20:53 < inode> i want summmm
20:53 < armijn> oh yeah, it's really heavy...
20:54 < armijn> it's called "Ultra 1"
20:54 < esden> armijn: hmm ... good take it ...
20:54 < armijn> really special :)
20:54 < praenti_to_esden> ok. im away
20:54 * -> esden waiting for praenti blindcoder and beer ;-)
20:54 < armijn> when I get home I will take some I think...
20:54 < armijn> sometimes it keeps me awake all night!
20:55 < esden> armijn: because of the alpha port ?
20:55 < armijn> no no
20:55 < armijn> because of "Ultra 1"
20:55 < armijn> the stuff is so heavy
20:55 < armijn> ripclaw sells even heavier stuff...
20:55 < armijn> called "Ultra 5"
20:55 < esden> yeye ... loool
20:55 < Mike1> armijn: why did you quit building with Mandrake?
20:55 < armijn> mike1: because it was a pain in the ass and I had to upgrade every package
20:55 < armijn> mike1: including compilers, and all the tools
20:55 < armijn> *everything*
20:56 * Mike1 uses Blade 100
20:56 < Mike1> armijn: i can imagine
20:56 < armijn> when I get it working on Debian I want to reinstall Mandrake and see if I can build it on that
20:56 < esden> armijn: you are talking definitly very much ... more than I ... that is not sane 
20:56 < armijn> just for the losers who tried MAndrake in the first place
20:56 < armijn> esden: yeah, I know
20:57 < esden> armijn: the amount I talk is much but you are breaking all barriers ;-)
20:57 < armijn> but guess what? It's time to go home!
20:57 < Mike1> armijn: when i get to finish with splack i will probably build with suse for the old times 
20:57 < armijn> mike1: oooh, masochist :)
20:57 < esden> Mike1: yak 
20:57 < esden> buehhh
20:58 < armijn> esden: you should give people a nice upgradepath frm SuSE to ROCK
20:58 < esden> armijn is right ... mothing less than masochist
20:58 < esden> armijn: lool
20:58 * armijn YAST2's esden
20:58 < Mike1> well sometimes people say i'm kind of crazy 
20:58 < esden> armijn: I will port rock te SuSE
20:59 < jonath[away]> ur not crazy Mike1, you use Rock!
20:59 < armijn> ah well, going back to my Ultra now...
20:59 < armijn> cu!
20:59 < Mike1> yeah maybe ur right i'm not crazy just a little bit ROCKed
20:59 < jonath[away]> sure
20:59 < Mike1> armijn: enjoy it :D 
20:59 < jonath[away]> away
20:59 < esden> hmm I needed two weeks to make rock 1.3.11 compile on suse 6.3 or what it was
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21:00 < Mike1> esden: i tryed to build 1.7 with suse 7.2 everything got fucked up since the beggining
21:00 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082B3DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:01 < Mike1> i had to update curl, install development tools
21:01 < tsa> hi again
21:01 < Mike1> re tsa
21:01 < esden> re tsa 
21:01 < esden> Mike1: sure ...
21:01 < Mike1> esden: it was one of those experiences in life that you can never forget
21:02 < esden> yes ... you see ... it is already 2 years ago when I tried to compile rock on suse .. and i did not forget it ...
21:03 < Mike1> hehe yeah tell me about it
21:04 < inode> rock has been around for at least 2 years? wow i thought it was relitivly new
21:04 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: Do something for your health use ROCK Linux
21:04 -!- Topic set by ChanServ [Fri Apr 12 17:31:20 2002]
21:04 < Mike1> inode: actually its been around for about 3 or 4 years that i know
21:05 -!- ChanServ changed the topic of #rocklinux to: Do something for your health use ROCK Linux (http://www.rocklinux.org)
21:05 < inode> i guess only a few hundred ppl use rock
21:06 < esden> inode: the first lines of code of rocklinux were written around 1996 1997 ...
21:07 < rxr> esden: do you have ripclaws Tel.Nr.?
21:07 < esden> rxr: yepp ... you mean home ?
21:07 < esden> his cellphone is broken
21:07 < rxr> A number where he might be reachable now ;-)
21:07 < rxr> (whereever this is ...)
21:07 < esden> ok ...
21:08 * tsa wants a Naturetech sparcbook.
21:08 < tsa> *sigh*
21:08 < tsa> I need a sponsor.
21:08 < rxr> tsa: me too ;-)
21:09 < esden> tsa: me too
21:09 < tsa> they are pretty cool, but you could get 2 high-end sony vaio's for the same money or even less...
21:16 < esden> only the processor counts ;-)
21:16 < esden> not the money ;-)
21:16 < inode> brb
21:16 -!- inode [~inode@cs666986-234.satx.rr.com] has quit ("BitchX-1.0c17 -- just do it.")
21:17 < esden> jonath]an[ seemed uncertain - 100% of lines were questions 
21:17 < esden> hehe 
21:17 < jonath[away]> umm?
21:17 < jonath[away]> im not too away
21:18 < esden> so look in the stats ;-)
21:18 < rxr> esden:  which stats?
21:19 < esden> rxr: ircstats ... 
21:19 < esden> the stuff you look at if you are bored ... ;-)
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21:21 < esden> re inode 
21:21 < esden> inode: can I ask you something ?
21:21 < inode> sure
21:22 < inode> i dont know if i can provide an answer but go for it
21:22 < esden> what brought you to us .. and what made you compile and try rock ?
21:22 < inode> oh an easy question.....
21:22 < esden> yess
21:25 < rxr> esden: the irc-stats are also nice!
21:25 < esden> huh ... you have not seen them ?
21:25 < esden> till now ?
21:26 < rxr> yes
21:26 < inode> ive been a linux user sence about 94 and am msce and rhce trained; ive been looking in lfs for a while but i didnt want to go in that direction. so i was looking for a small distro to build a server, i found so i took the jump.  plus i like the idea that it could be used to build a mini-distro that i can give to friends and family.
21:27 < esden> ohh ... and I sent an email to the mailinglist ... now I see only very few peaple read my email :-(((( @ rxr 
21:28 < esden> inode: I am happy that you found what yo were searching for in rocklinux 
21:28 < esden> inode: I hope you will have fun with it ... and not much trouble
21:29 < inode> oh by the way i dont use my mcse skill now i refuse to.  i only use linux, unless i want to play a game then i use windoze
21:29 < rxr> esden: sorry - I only read over it, since I knew the logs already - but so I missed the stats - sorry ...
21:29 * Mike1 read it :)
21:30 < inode> esden i have fun with linux even when there are problems...  you know there are no problems just opertunity..
21:30 < th> http://www.liquidcode.org/worm.html that's great ;)
21:33 < inode> i just got back into school and im going for a csbs and if i really like rock i'll become a big contributor
21:35 < esden> rxr: np ... I thought that it was so ;-) ... I am currently waiting for more comments about my idea list ... and submissions
21:41 * Mike1 leaving
21:41 < Mike1> see you later folks
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21:45 < inode> brb
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21:50 < inode> ./scripts/Create-CD k6 | arch doesnt seam to be working
21:55 < inode> help plez
21:58 < rxr> inode: mom
21:58 < inode> :)
22:00 < rxr> extra for you I deflated a 1.5 source-tree, and took a look into the script (vi Create-CD)
22:00 < rxr> the script wants a extra parameter base or ext
22:00 < rxr> so you should use k6 base ...
22:00 < inode> ahh 
22:00 < inode> thnx
22:00 < rxr> "./scripts/Create-CD k6 base" for you
22:01 * rxr rm -rf rock-src-1.5.13_2002-03-28_00h44
22:01 < rxr> inode: odes this work?
22:02 < rxr> (not the rm -rf the Create-CD ;-)
22:02 < inode> i dont have  rock-src
22:02 < inode> but do have rock-intel-1.5.14
22:02 < rxr> inode:  does the Create-CD script work?
22:02 < rxr> esden
22:02 < rxr> ?
22:02 < inode> no it just spits out   i686
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22:03 < rxr> inode you finished the compilation?
22:03 < inode> yup
22:04 < rxr> you have a rock-k6-1.5.14-DEV (or similar directory) ?
22:05 < inode> where? in ./rock-orig ?
22:05 < rxr> no in rock-linux
22:05 < rxr> You are running the Create-CD script in rock-linux (where you also build the whole beast?)
22:06 < inode> this is all thats in there
22:06 < inode> arch-conf     base-config  Documentation  ext-config  opt-archive  scripts
22:06 < inode> base-archive  COPYING      ext-archive    misc        README       subdists
22:07 < inode> and thier links
22:07 < rxr> in rock-linux - where you run the Build-All ?
22:07 < inode> in rock-orig is where i ran the script from
22:07 < rxr> ah
22:08 < inode> should have i ran it from rock-linux ?/
22:08 < rxr> You used the copy mode, right?
22:08 < inode> yes
22:08 < rxr> ok - then rock-orig might be ok (do you have a rock-linux dir?)
22:09 < inode> yes  ./rock-orig/../rock-linux
22:10 < rxr> aha - is there a rock-k6-1.5.14 directory in rock-linux?
22:10 < inode> no you asked that already
22:11 < rxr> ok is it in rock-orig?
22:11 < huebi> re Moep hi!
22:11 < inode> huebi yo
22:11 < rxr> HI huebi!
22:11 < huebi> The Sun Ultra 5 did arive ;)))
22:11 < inode> no just rock-intel-1.5.14
22:11 < rxr> wow!
22:12 < tsa> huebi: specs?
22:12 < tsa> usparc IIi, 256mb?
22:12 < rxr> inode: did you selected a specific optimization in scripts/Config ?
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22:12 < inode> yes k6
22:12 < rxr> hm
22:12 < rxr> strange
22:12 < hackbard> re
22:13 < rxr> coud you run the Create-CD scrpit with "intel base" in this dir
22:13 < rxr> ?
22:13 < huebi> 270 MHz UltraSparc-IIi
22:13 < huebi> 128MB
22:13 < huebi> 4GB
22:13 < tsa> ide disk?
22:13 < inode> something new this time
22:13 < huebi> jo
22:13 < tsa> hm...
22:14 < tsa> symbios scsi controller reinbauen.
22:14 < tsa> die ide-platte in meiner u10 suckt ohne ende..
22:14 < inode> ./scripts/Create-CD: line 42:  1758 Broken pipe 
22:14 < huebi> tsa: Jo, it's still in the U30
22:14 < rxr> huebi: dou you know if there are U5's left? Ripclaw has not yet answered to my mails - and his telephon is very busy ...
22:14 < huebi> rxr: Call him NOW!
22:14 < rxr> huebi: Could you help inode to ISOfy his build? 
22:15 < rxr> huebi: I do!!!!
22:15 < rxr> (for an hour)
22:15 < rxr> huebi: have you a better tel nr?
22:15 < huebi> rxr <- of to phone call ;))
22:15 < rxr> I have it in my hand!!! and pushed the redial the 40th time!!!
22:16 < tsa> ...and the number still doesn't exist? *g*
22:16 < rxr> tsa: ha ha
22:18 < huebi> rxr: What's the problem?
22:18 < huebi> inode: cd /rock-linux
22:19 < huebi> inode: ./scripts/Create-CD intel base
22:19 < inode> hold on a sec there are a few things i want to trry
22:21 < th> huebi: that's all
22:21 < th> ?
22:22 < inode> bingo
22:23 < huebi> th: Normaly I try to get all sources from their original first place. If I can't get it there I search by Hand but don't change the URL till I know where the new primary server is.
22:23 < huebi> th: Yes for an ISO that's all
22:23 < inode> Warning: creating filesystem that does not conform to ISO-9660.
22:23 < th> huebi: no nfs mounts
22:23 < th> ?
22:24 < huebi> inode: ignore it. It is for M$ compatibility ;>
22:24 < inode> it says its 4.5M 
22:24 < inode> thats way too small
22:25 < inode> grrrrr
22:25 < huebi> inode: Yes
22:25 < tsa> i guess that's the smallest rock ever built..
22:25 < huebi> inode: What did YOU do?
22:26 < tsa> i've never made it below 23mb (rock read-only, shrunk down as a firewall)
22:26 < inode> ummm i dont know..?!?...    ok rebuild  this time from rock-linux
22:27 < huebi> inode: STop!
22:27 < inode> it sould be ready in 7hrs
22:27 < inode> ok
22:27 < huebi> inode: rm -rf rock-intel-1.5.14
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22:27 < Mike1> re
22:27 < huebi> inode: touch _nodel_
22:27 < huebi> rm -f build.out
22:27 < inode> im with ya
22:28 < huebi> inode: ./scripts/Build-All COPY
22:28 < huebi> inode: Now all files will be copied again
22:28 < inode> from rock-linux not -orig  correct?
22:29 < huebi> inode: Yes allways from /rock-linux
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22:29 < inode> ok
22:30 < huebi> inode: cd /rock-linux
22:30 < huebi> find . -name "*err" - What do you get?
22:31 < inode> umm on the first build there were no .err files
22:31 < inode> its rebuilding  i dont know why but it is
22:31 < huebi> find . -name "*err" - What do you get?
22:32 < huebi> are there any .err files?
22:33 < inode> yes
22:33 < inode> ./dist/var/adm/logs/1-linux.err
22:33 < inode> ./dist/var/adm/logs/1-glibc.err
22:33 < inode> fuq
22:33 < huebi> any more?
22:34 < inode> i stoped it
22:34 < huebi> why
22:34 < huebi> ?
22:34 < inode>  im rm _nodel_ and starting fresh
22:35 < huebi> inode: Stop
22:35 < inode> ok
22:35 < inode> just those two 
22:35 < snyke> hm
22:35 < huebi> inode: I think you are a little bit frustrated. I want to help you over this point.
22:35 < inode> ummm  Yes
22:36 < huebi> inode: I modified all scripts that you can just delete rock-intel-1.5.14 and just redo all the failed parts.
22:37 < inode> i like to finish what i start but my schedual is about to force on other task  and thats going to last a couple of weeks
22:38 < huebi> inode: I see. And perhaps you can finish it now and have more fun later.
22:38 < inode> well ive made a few mistakes in the process so it might be a good idea to start over
22:38 < huebi> with the new task
22:39 < inode> huebi yeah  at least get it to the point of a burn and install then work on it later
22:39 < huebi> find . -name "*err"  | wc -l
22:39 < inode> no  with the building task... i first did the build in -orig and not -linux
22:40 < huebi> inode: ok.
22:40 < huebi> cd /rock-orig
22:40 < inode> ok
22:40 < inode> _nodel_ is back
22:41 < huebi> /bin/mv -af Config _nodel_ dist lib src tars /rock-linux
22:42 < inode> mv: invalid option -- a
22:43 < huebi> /bin/mv -f Config _nodel_ dist lib src tars /rock-linux
22:45 < inode> some of those files i cant find
22:46 < huebi> which ones?
22:47 < inode> duhhh   my bad
22:47 < inode> thier there
22:47 < inode> in -linux
22:48 < huebi> did you move Config _nodel_ dist lib src tars from /rock-orig  to  /rock-linux
22:48 < huebi> ?
22:48 < inode> im doing that
22:49 < inode> i had to remake Config  
22:49 < inode> im good
22:50 < huebi> ok. now you have got everything in /rock-linux
22:50 < inode> nope im not   there is only one tarfile in ./tar
22:50 < huebi> 00-dirtree
22:50 < inode> yup
22:51 < huebi> inode: cd /rock-linux
22:51 < inode> ok
22:51 < huebi> inode: ./scripts/Build-All COPY
22:51 < inode> yup  it rebuilding
22:52 < esden> re hi all
22:52 < inode> yo
22:52 < inode> and its starting at gcc
22:52 < huebi> inode: now all packages with .err should build.
22:53 < inode> ummm   ok  but what happend to all the good files i hade
22:54 < huebi> they are built. And you moved them to the right place.
22:54 < huebi> the second package is linux
22:54 < huebi> and now it is building
22:55 < inode> yeah i see that  but it was already built
22:56 < huebi> no, it wasn't. It failed in stage 1. Now it is rebuild for that stage.
22:58 < inode> well i'll be back in 7hrs 
23:00 < inode> huebi thank you for the help
23:00 < tsa> *sigh* getting a new "admin" at work can really suck..
23:00 < huebi> pleasure. And have Fun.
23:00 < inode> huebi  did you say you had an xp1800smp ?/
23:00 < huebi> inode: Yes
23:01 < inode> it took you almost 8hrs to compile base?
23:01 < huebi> I built it for having a super fast Linux bos
23:01 < huebi> /s/s/x/
23:02 < huebi> inode: Yes and now it's 5h40 to 6h
23:03 < inode> that give me a ref point for my system  its taking 6hr51min for me to compile base
23:03 < huebi> I want Rock to be buildable on a cluster 
23:03 < inode> there you go
23:03 -!- tsa is now known as tsa|br
23:03 -!- tsa|br is now known as tsa|brb
23:04 < esden> huebi: clifford has implemented dependances ... to make it possible
23:04 < huebi> www.mosix.org
23:04 < inode> that was the one ive been looking at
23:04 < huebi> esden: jo, thank you
23:05 < esden> that is a project at fachhochschule of praenti
23:05 -!- tsa|brb is now known as tsa|beer
23:05 < esden> compile rock on mosix cluster running rocklinux ;-)
23:05 < inode> hell yeah
23:06 < huebi> inode: I visited Amnon Barak in Jerusalem. Combined with PVM it is the fastes solution if you don't use shared memory
23:06 < esden> talk to praenti about it ...
23:07 < inode> huebi im close to building a cluster... i have two boxes and one awaiting a box
23:08 < tsa|beer> any ssh expert here?
23:08 < huebi> no, Vim is not here ;))
23:09 < tsa|beer> i've got a strange problem with pseudo-tty allocation on the remote host-.
23:09 < rxr> gbac
23:11 < esden> dumdidum
23:11 < esden> inode: cool ... I also want to run rockcompiles on clusters ...
23:12 < rxr> huebi: steht die U5 schon bei dir?
23:12 < esden> we hawe in our club 17 machines that are most of the time idle ...
23:12 < esden> rxr: could you call rippy ?
23:12 * huebi is installing slowlaris
23:13 < tsa|beer> huebi: 02/02 ?
23:13 < huebi> 07/01
23:13 < tsa|beer> i've heard of some problems with 02/02..
23:13 < rxr> esden: Yes I got him - finally ...
23:13 < huebi> I told SUN some problems about 07/01
23:13 < huebi> hehe
23:15 < huebi> I want to have the newest OBP in that machine
23:16 < huebi> and the patch only works on slowlaris
23:16 < inode> obp?
23:17 < huebi> Open Boot Prom - The Sun BIOS
23:17 < esden> rxr: good ... praenti wanted to call him too
23:18 * -> esden waititg for fake ...
23:19 < snyke> ah fake will come too?
23:19 < huebi> ripclaw still had four U5 when Icame to him. Now he _must_ order at least 23 more to fullfill his contract with me. So don't call him. He has aproblem in the Moment 
23:19 < esden> snyke: yepp
23:20 < huebi> hehehe
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23:20 < esden> huebi: ohh ...
23:20 < snyke> hi fake666 
23:20 < esden> hi fake666 !!!
23:20 < huebi> Who does believe me? Hands up!
23:20 < esden> *happy*
23:20 < fake666> konban-wa
23:20 < esden> nice to see you here fake666 !!!
23:21 < fake666> yeah yeah. i got it. 
23:21 < fake666> :P
23:21 * huebi , the story teller
23:21 < esden> sadly is armijn not here cuz he is the one who wanted to talk to you
23:21 < fake666> grandma heubi, tell me a story !
23:21 < esden> huebi: we know this ... ;-)
23:22 < huebi> esden: who told you? It's a secret..
23:22 < esden> good idea ... huebi tell us a goodnight story
23:22 < fake666> *nargh* damn mplayer docus
23:22 -!- praenti_to_esden is now known as praenti
23:22 < praenti> re
23:22 < esden> I can't reveal my sources @ huebi 
23:22 < esden> re praenti 
23:22 < huebi> esden: ??
23:22 < fake666> esden is not GPL ?
23:23 < esden> nope I am closed source ;-)
23:23 < fake666> rm -rf esden
23:23 < praenti> lol
23:23 < esden> argh .... !!!
23:23 < esden> *die*
23:23 < huebi> cat esden > /dev/null
23:23 < fake666> never trust closed source ;)
23:23 < fake666> hehe
23:24 < praenti> kill -9 esdenrun
23:24 < esden> you are so cruel to me ... :-((((
23:24 < fake666> hedwig always tried buffer overflow attacks on esden ;-))
23:24 < praenti> evil
23:24 < praenti> fake666: not only on him...
23:24 < praenti> but im very good programmed ;-)
23:24 < esden> fake666: never call this name !!!!
23:24 < fake666> multicast-buffer-overflow *g*
23:24 < praenti> no gets
23:25 < huebi> \
23:25 < tsa|beer> fake666: and it turned out that there is no buffer inside esden? ;-)
23:25 < praenti> lauter biertrinker
23:25 < huebi> esden is hard coded?
23:25 < fake666> tsa|beer: he segfaulted after a few weeks of attacks *grins*
23:26 < esden> huebi: I gat sometimes a hardon ... but I am not hardcoded ;-)
23:26 < snyke> soo, i've to go to bed, must go to school tomorrow! good night @all!!!
23:26 < fake666> you got... a.... o_O
23:26 < fake666> n8 snyke!
23:26 < tsa|beer> esden: please don't explain any further ;)
23:26 < esden> n8 snyke 
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23:26 < huebi> by sn
23:27 < fake666> esden> you DO know what "getting a hardon" means?
23:27 < esden> fake666: YES I DO
23:27 < huebi> fake666: please explain
23:27 < esden> rofl !!!
23:27 < tsa> lol.
23:27 < fake666> you got a hardon by listening to her.... /dev/urandom stuff?
23:27 < huebi> irc is better than TV ;))
23:27 < tsa> _NO_ Pics, pleeaase!
23:28 < praenti> ??? @tsa
23:28 < huebi> url? 
23:28 < praenti> do you mean like TV or pics from hedwig
23:28 < tsa> nobody wants that kind of pics from rocklinux developers...
23:28 < esden> huebi: that is what happest with your 3'rd leg when you got sexually erected ... when I did get it correct ... *think*
23:28 < huebi> *click* *click* *click* *click* - nothing found
23:28 < tsa> esden: nice description...
23:29 < esden> tsa: this is somehow the correct description ;-)
23:29 < fake666> man sex
23:30 < huebi> esden: Ahh, when I can't bow the knee of my second leg anymore...
23:30 < huebi> ;)
23:30 < praenti> to explain: her body looks very attractive but her character more as terrible
23:30 < praenti> *brrr* *schüttel*
23:30 < fake666> fake@apollo:~$ man women
23:30 < praenti> very hard for your brain
23:30 < fake666> No manual entry for women.
23:31 < fake666> *ROFL*
23:31 < esden> rofl
23:31 < praenti> rotfl!!!!
23:31 < huebi> fake666: use info woman
23:31 < fake666> No menu item `woman' in node `(dir)Top'.
23:31 < tsa> No menu item `woman' in node
23:31 < tsa> does this mean we're still available? ;-)
23:31 < esden> we have to add women.1 to rocklinux ...
23:32 < praenti> huebi: that doesnt make sense. do you no a man who can descripe or understand woman
23:32 < fake666> women: nothing appropriate.
23:32 < fake666> apropos ;)
23:32 < huebi> praenti: very easy in german...
23:33 < fake666> a few characters: :)8-<
23:33 < praenti> huebi: i dont thought about the language
23:33 < praenti> thats the only thing what we can understand
23:33 < praenti> but the rest...
23:33 < huebi> Die eine Haelfte der Menschheit ist mit der Anderen immer drauf. Und wenn das mal nicht so ist, vermehren sie sich wie bloed.
23:34 < praenti> lol
23:34 < fake666> inwiefern "drauf sein" ?
23:34 < huebi> Manner sind entweder Arschloecher oder Machos. Frauen entweder dumme Kuehe oder bloede Zicken. Super easy
23:35 * praenti is ein arschloch
23:35 < huebi> fake666: die zanken sich halt immerzu und aergern sich ueber die andere Haelfte.
23:36 < fake666> YES
23:36 < fake666> i got it ;-)
23:36 < huebi> Was is Hedwig?
23:36 < fake666> mplayer's new undocumented input code is good - but undocumented.
23:36 < fake666> all functions are called through upper-cases #defines
23:37 < fake666> except the one i looked for, of course
23:37 < fake666> pt_step
23:37 < huebi> fake666: Nimm' doch einfach den Mediablaeher von MasoSoft ;))
23:37 < esden> what is the problem you have fake666 
23:37 < fake666> now i can browse my files with mplayer using my remote control *jumps_around*
23:38 < esden> heyy cool
23:38 < fake666> esden> already solved. i read the best documentation - the source ^^
23:38 < esden> heh ... sure 
23:38 < praenti> huebi: weißt du es wirlich nicht?
23:38 < huebi> fake666: Haerzlichen Gluehstrumpf
23:39 < huebi> praenti: Sieht nach Zicke aus. Die braucht einfach mal so einen richtigen Macho
23:39 < praenti> huebi: genau
23:39 < esden> hmm stimmt ... @ huebi 
23:39 < praenti> hab mir das auch schon überlegt. bloß is da noch der arme matthias im weg *g*
23:40 < esden> ich war leider keiner ... 
23:40 < esden> aber huebi die war dann irgendwann nicht auszuhalten
23:40 < praenti> *harr* jetzt bin ich evil
23:40 < esden> und ich glaube ein wahrer macho wuerde die auch nicht ruhigstellen kuennen
23:41 < fake666> hee
23:41 < esden> praenti: du und hedi bist lebensmuede
23:41 < praenti> das nicht. aber die wird dann hoffentlich etwas ruhiger
23:41 < esden> oder willst erstmal taub werden ?
23:41 < fake666> seh ich da allemannische texte? ;)
23:41 < esden> ja fake666 
23:41 < huebi> "sei ruhig, wenn ich mich mit deiner Freundin unterhalte..." Manche Frauen finden das richtig gut.
23:41 < esden> hier in dem channel herrschen 2 sprachen 
23:41 < praenti> esden: na und. wenn sie einen buffer overflow versucht entzieh ich ihr die rechte
23:42 < fake666> praenti: ....
23:42 < esden> praenti: loool
23:42 < fake666> wozu sollte sie einen versuchen wenn sie eh schon rechte hat?
23:42 < esden> praenti: wie willst es anstellen ?
23:43 < fake666> <-- wird sich jetz Onegai Teacher 11+12 ansehen und dann knaecken
23:43 < praenti> port zumachen. "schluß aus äpfel amen"
23:43 < esden> ja aber ich hoffe fake666 dass ich dich jetzt uefter hier sehe
23:43 < fake666> hm, we will see ;)
23:43 < fake666> *argh*
23:43 < fake666> wir werden sehen ^^
23:43 < esden> fake666: hope so
23:44 < praenti> und danach auf alle fälle "praentirun restart"
23:44 < esden> hoehoe
23:44 < fake666> man... morgen in der arbeit wieder so scheiss php programmieren....
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23:44 < esden> du tust mir leid fake ...
23:44 < fake666> :_:
23:45 < esden> * fake666 troest *
23:45 < fake666> also bis dann *wunkwachel*
23:45 < fake666> cya
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23:45 < esden> bis denne
23:45 < esden> hmm zu langsam ...
23:45 < huebi> esden: danemen, daneben ;)
23:46 < esden> ich warte noch bis 2 um zu sehen ob die log rotation von den irc logs klappt und gehe auch betti
23:46 < esden> argh ich meine 12
23:46 < esden> nicht 2
23:47 < esden> huebi: haha ... und ... ich wette mit dir dass dein zielvermuegen nicht besser ist :P
23:47 < praenti> werd mich dann auch in etwa aufs ohr hauen
23:47 < huebi> praenti: tut das nicht weh?
23:48 < praenti> s/hauen/legen
23:48 < praenti> besser?
23:48 < huebi> praenti: Du bist aber ruecksichtsvoll mit dir.
23:48 < huebi> ;))
23:48 < esden> WHAT ???? : 23:48] -!- #gentoodev skaar     H+  0  ~skaar@pix-fw.wan.aol.com [*Unknown*]
23:49 < praenti> skaar bei gentoo
23:49 < praenti> ?
23:49 < praenti> nicht wirklich oder?
23:49 < esden> ist dass der skaar von dem ich glaube dass es ist ?
23:50 < esden> nee der ist ja auch hier ...
23:51 < esden> I have already wandered
23:53 < esden> huebi: is your groupware finally working ?
23:54 < huebi> esden: I still need Mysql. I'm reading about it
23:54 < esden> mysql is to be setup in minutes ...
23:55 * huebi only RTFM to tell others "RTFM!" hehe
23:55 -!- rxr [~rene@port-213-20-228-193.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
23:56 < esden> hehe ... ok ... so this is your first time with mysql ?
23:56 < huebi> jo
23:56 < esden> aha
23:57 < huebi> But i found something. may I post it? It's good for my stats ;)
23:57 < esden> aha ... 
23:57 < huebi> Setting up MySQL users and databases.
23:57 < esden> howto or what ?
23:58 < huebi>  DJG's Setting up MySQL users and databases Guide. <- Wuergshop I think
23:59 < esden> ohh ... 
23:59 < huebi> esden felt into deep sleep mode
23:59 < esden> huh ?
23:59 < esden> no ...
23:59 < tsa> esden: please remove huebi from the stats ;-)
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