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--- Log opened Tue Apr 16 00:00:14 2002 --- Day changed Tue Apr 16 2002 00:00 < huebi> tsa wants to have big trouble ;) 00:00 < esden> tsa: I mark his nick as bot ;-) 00:00 < tsa> esden: that sounds reasonable ;) 00:00 < esden> lool 00:00 < huebi> tsa: why? 00:01 < tsa> huebi: we're already considering replacing you with a bot here which fills up your stats for you so you can do more rock linux work ;) 00:02 < esden> ohhh der war hart .... 00:02 < tsa> *lach* 00:02 < huebi> good idea ;) --- Log opened Tue Apr 16 00:08:08 2002 00:08 -!- esden [weasel@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 00:08 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: Do something for your health use ROCK Linux (https://www.rocklinux.org) 00:08 -!- Topic set by ChanServ [Mon Apr 15 21:06:46 2002] 00:08 (Users #rocklinux) 00:08 [ blindcoder] [ hackbard] [ praenti] [ surprise] [ wschlich_] 00:08 [ esden ] [ huebi ] [ skaar ] [ th ] 00:08 [ h0h0 ] [ inode ] [ SMP ] [ tsa ] 00:08 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 13 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal] 00:08 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Mon Apr 1 00:17:34 2002 00:08 -!- Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 4 secs 00:08 < esden> re 00:09 < esden> grr ... I have done something wrong ... 00:09 < huebi> esden: What do you mean? 00:09 < tsa> you installed SuSE? 00:09 < tsa> ;) 00:11 < esden> nothing ... I nearly deleted the irc logs >_< 00:12 < esden> I have to do backups 00:12 < esden> every second 00:13 < esden> but now all should be ok 00:13 < esden> I read my mail ... answer stuff and go to bed ... 00:21 * praenti going to bed 00:21 < praenti> gn8 00:21 -!- praenti is now known as praenti_ZzZz 00:29 < esden> aaaaarrrggghh rofl !!!!! 00:29 < esden> abkack 00:29 < esden> kringel 00:29 < esden> der fake ist cool 00:30 < esden> alo der macht an dem MIPS port weiter ... 00:30 < esden> gott sei dank !!!! 00:30 < huebi> schoen 00:30 < esden> ja sicher !!! 00:30 < esden> ich zitier mal was : 00:31 < esden> > So, please, help us, we need more architectures and definitely an 00:31 < esden> > architecture like MIPS, that is more evil than alpha and sparc combined... 00:31 < esden> .... and as useless as linux on the gameboy. But what the hell ... that 00:31 < esden> bitch WILL work. Your argumentation should have been: If debian can do it - 00:31 < esden> we can master it ! *g* 00:32 < esden> soo zitat ende 00:32 < esden> huebi: was sagst ? 00:33 < huebi> finde ich gut. Der wird das schon schaukeln. 00:34 < esden> ja dessen bin ich mir sicher 00:34 < esden> der macht alles was physikalysh mueglich ist 00:34 < esden> also in dem fall geht es um software 00:35 < esden> also kaum physikalische grenzen 00:35 < esden> also er schafft es ;-) 00:35 < esden> soo laptop einpack 00:35 < huebi> sclaf gut esden 00:36 < esden> ja noch 8 minuten ... 00:47 < esden> n8 00:47 < huebi> nacht esden 00:52 < hackbard> good night 00:52 -!- hackbard [~hackbard@pD95235A1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 00:53 -!- Mike1 [mike@196.40.3.20] has joined #rocklinux 00:53 < Mike1> re 00:53 < Mike1> esden you here? 00:54 < huebi> Mike1: esden went to sleep 22 min ago 00:54 < Mike1> damn 00:54 < Mike1> how are you huebi 00:55 < huebi> Mike1: the U5 did arive today 00:55 < Mike1> huebi do they look ok? 00:55 < Mike1> huebi are you with ripclaw right now? 00:56 < esden> re 00:56 < esden> Mike1: what do you need 00:56 < esden> I wanted to go to bed 00:56 < huebi> they look perfect. They have been used as a server or something like that. They are clean and scratch free 00:56 < Mike1> huebi excellent 00:56 < esden> but saw you in the logs ;-) 00:56 < Mike1> re esden great to see you are back 00:56 < Mike1> haha 00:57 < Mike1> i'm startin got love the logs 00:57 < esden> yea ;-) 00:57 < Mike1> esden i'm doing a personal project with a friend of mine 00:57 < Mike1> and we need to creat a binary script 00:57 < esden> I have to show the last lines on my lcd display 00:57 < Mike1> eg. the Install.bin script for rock linux 00:57 < esden> binary script ? 00:58 < Mike1> but i certainly don't know how to create binarys 00:58 < esden> hmm ... 00:58 < esden> write c code and compile thom ... 00:58 < Mike1> could you tell me where to get info on how to do it or any software or whatever 00:58 < esden> write c code and compile it ... with gcc 00:59 < tsa> ok, i'm going to sleep, have to get up early. cu tomorrow.. 00:59 < Mike1> is it the only way? 00:59 < Mike1> bye tsa 00:59 < tsa> cu Mike1 00:59 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082B3DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 00:59 < esden> hmm ... buy a book about c ... I think that it ti the easyest way 00:59 < Mike1> huebi i asked if u were with ripclaw just because i must get to talk to h9im 01:00 < Mike1> esden ok thanks 01:00 < huebi> no, heis at home. But what do you want to tell him? 01:00 < esden> you can also write in pascal or basic or whatever and create binarys 01:00 < huebi> Mike1: Or send him a mail., 01:01 < esden> ok so I go bed too 01:01 < esden> cu all 01:01 < esden> i have 5,5 h to sleep 01:01 < huebi> Mike1: when are you back here? 01:01 < esden> n8 01:01 < Mike1> n8 esden 01:01 < Mike1> huebi i just had some questions regarding the U5 bussiness 01:01 < Mike1> its ok 01:02 < Mike1> huebi i will be back tomorrow hopefully by 10 am my time 01:02 < Mike1> which is more or less 5pm ur time 01:03 < huebi> 6pm. We now have summer time MEST 01:03 < Mike1> ok 01:03 < huebi> Mike1: I call him and tell him. 01:04 < Mike1> thank you huebi 01:04 < huebi> installation of Slowlaris is finished 01:04 < Mike1> Solaris8? 01:04 < huebi> jo 01:04 < Mike1> nice 01:05 < huebi> I want to upgrate the OBP. 01:05 < Mike1> would you rather to use Solaris or Linux on a U5 for production? 01:06 < huebi> Linux. On bigger machines with more than 8 CPU's Solaris. But it also depends on the used software. 01:07 < huebi> i BETTER LIKE TO HAVE THE SAME SYSTEM ON ALL MACHINES. 01:07 < Mike1> yeah 01:07 < Mike1> what linux distro would you recomend? 01:07 < Mike1> besides rock 01:08 < huebi> I dream about Rocklinux and OpenOffice on the U5 01:08 < Mike1> hehe yeah tha sounds nice 01:09 < huebi> I used Mandrake before I found Rock. But now Mandrake is very broken. 01:09 < Mike1> Mandrake and i don't get along well at all 01:09 < Mike1> Splack? 01:09 < huebi> Never tried splack 01:10 < Mike1> same as slackware 01:10 < Mike1> just that i runs on sparc 01:10 < huebi> But I do it on sparc for the rock build 01:10 < Mike1> i see 01:11 < Mike1> ok huebi thanks a lot for your time 01:11 < Mike1> i now have to go 01:11 * Mike1 has a date 01:11 < Mike1> cu 01:12 -!- Mike1 [mike@196.40.3.20] has quit ("BitchX: roqz yer nutz!") 01:25 -!- th [th@delta.boerde.de] has quit ("</day>") 01:27 -!- jonath[an] [~jvargas@208.165.55.137] has joined #rocklinux 01:27 < jonath[an]> re 01:27 < jonath[an]> bye 01:27 -!- jonath[an] [~jvargas@208.165.55.137] has left #rocklinux () 01:34 -!- fake666 [fake@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 01:34 < fake666> *cries* 01:35 < fake666> Onegai Teacher is sooo sweet *snueff* 01:35 < fake666> <-- *chrr* 01:36 -!- fake666 [fake@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit (Client Quit) 04:33 < inode> . 04:40 -!- trilluser [~trillian@208.165.55.137] has joined #rocklinux 04:40 < trilluser> re 04:41 -!- trilluser is now known as jonath[an] 04:55 -!- jonath[an] [~trillian@208.165.55.137] has left #rocklinux () 06:06 -!- jonath[an] [~trillian@208.165.55.137] has joined #rocklinux 06:06 < jonath[an]> re 06:06 < jonath[an]> bye 06:06 -!- jonath[an] [~trillian@208.165.55.137] has left #rocklinux () 06:31 -!- h0h0 [~hoho@dhcp024-209-107-204.woh.rr.com] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:05 < inode> only 4 errors so far: 07:05 < inode> dist/var/adm/logs/3-libsafe.err dist/var/adm/logs/3-ncftp.err 07:05 < inode> dist/var/adm/logs/3-lprng.err dist/var/adm/logs/3-whois.err 07:50 -!- term_emu [~pm@beaufort.wyzant.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:51 -!- praenti_ZzZz is now known as praenti_fh 07:51 < praenti_fh> moin 07:51 < inode> fuq i give up 07:51 < praenti_fh> inode: why? 07:51 < inode> i cant get the damn thing compiled 07:53 < praenti_fh> do you have read the compile error? 07:53 < term_emu> hi 07:53 < praenti_fh> btw. what gcc version do you have 07:54 < inode> hell this time the error is with uncompressing a file the script (where ever it is) is using tar zxf insted of tar jxf 07:54 < inode> gcc-2.96-98 07:55 < praenti_fh> could be a problem 07:55 < praenti_fh> no. the right thing is tar xIf 07:56 < praenti_fh> can you check if this is working on your linux 07:56 < inode> hold on 07:56 < praenti_fh> for example debian have problems with that 07:56 < inode> no it want -j not -I 07:57 < inode> s/want/wants 07:58 < inode> from man tar: Note: -I is dep- 07:58 < inode> recated and may get a different meaning in the near 07:58 < inode> future. 08:00 < praenti_fh> when unpack a tar.bz2 then you use I 08:00 < praenti_fh> that is the future meaning. if you have an old tar version then it could be a problem 08:01 < praenti_fh> what distribution do you use? 08:01 < inode> the man page says that -I id deprecated.... i.e. its no logner used 08:01 < inode> s/id/is 08:01 < praenti_fh> the man-page lies ;-) 08:02 < inode> :) 08:02 < praenti_fh> believe me 08:02 -!- term_emu [~pm@beaufort.wyzant.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 08:02 < praenti_fh> more than 100 times used 08:03 < inode> well im unable to exstact a tbz2 with -I but am able to with -j 08:03 < inode> tar-1.13.19-6 08:04 < praenti_fh> than you dont use a standard tar. the problem is that most of the scripts in rocklinux uses I. 08:04 < praenti_fh> what distribution do you use 08:06 < inode> thats why im giving up.... it went through dozens of bz2 files but it cant get pass this one 08:07 < praenti_fh> inode: i need your distribution installed on your system 08:07 < inode> rh7.2 08:08 < praenti_fh> ok. than it can be that your tar is patched, so it dont understand tar xIvf xxx.tar.bz2 08:08 < inode> oh and im trying 1.5.14 08:08 < praenti_fh> anoter thing in addition. you need to enable devfs otherwise the install-disk would not compile 08:08 < praenti_fh> but this is at the end 08:10 < praenti_fh> inode: if you have to many problems to compile. dont give up. download a rock-binary-iso and compile on that system. 08:11 < praenti_fh> because on rock you dont have any problems with base and opt. but ext-packages have often compile-errors 08:11 < praenti_fh> thats normal 08:11 < inode> well im going to be pressed for time in the next few weeks with finals and a few papers i need to write 08:12 < praenti_fh> inode: and if you want to see how we compile. read the script in ./scripts/* 08:12 < inode> this is part of the error i get: 08:12 < praenti_fh> s/script/scripts 08:13 -!- term_emu [~pm@beaufort.wyzant.de] has joined #rocklinux 08:13 < inode> > Create subdist archive ... 08:13 < inode> > tar: WARNING: The "I" option is obsolete. 08:13 < inode> > If you're trying to use bzip2 (what "I" did in older releases of GNU .. 08:13 < inode> > use the "j" option. 08:13 < inode> > If you're trying to read filenames from a file (what some other impl .. 08:13 < inode> > use the "T" option. 08:13 < inode> > 08:13 < inode> > Assuming you meant "j". 08:16 < praenti_fh> thats strange. i've read the script through and we use --use-compress-program=bzip2 -xf 08:16 < praenti_fh> and that must run also with your version 08:17 < praenti_fh> what package said that to you? 08:18 < inode> can i make an install from stage 1 & 2 only??? 08:18 < praenti_fh> inode: that would not run 08:18 < praenti_fh> you need stage 3 08:18 < inode> support-tools? whats in there? 08:19 < praenti_fh> but this is the end 08:19 < praenti_fh> can you make a cat dist/var/adm/logs/3-ncftp.err? 08:19 < praenti_fh> and give me the output 08:20 < praenti_fh> because this is the error. the support-tools are uninteresting at the moment 08:21 < inode> dist is gone??/ 08:21 < praenti_fh> is in your rock-tree 08:23 < inode> ./rock-intel-1.5.14/info/logs/3-libsafe.err 08:23 < inode> ./rock-intel-1.5.14/info/logs/3-ncftp.err 08:23 < inode> ./rock-intel-1.5.14/info/logs/3-lprng.err 08:23 < inode> ./rock-intel-1.5.14/info/logs/3-whois.err 08:23 < inode> ./rock-intel-1.5.14/info/logs/5-libsafe.err 08:23 < inode> ./rock-intel-1.5.14/info/logs/5-ncftp.err 08:23 < inode> ./rock-intel-1.5.14/info/logs/5-lprng.err 08:23 < inode> ./rock-intel-1.5.14/info/logs/5-whois.err 08:23 < inode> ./rock-intel-1.5.14/info/logs/s-rescue.err 08:23 < inode> ./rock-intel-1.5.14/info/logs/s-read-only.err 08:24 < praenti_fh> have you compiled without hanging on errors 08:24 < praenti_fh> ? 08:24 < inode> yes 08:24 < inode> i think 08:25 < praenti_fh> i dont like that. because the isos dont work 08:26 < praenti_fh> ok. give me then rock-intel-1.5.14/info/logs/3-ncftp.err 08:29 < inode> umm are you getting that file? 08:30 < praenti_fh> send it to praenti@bingo-ev.de 08:30 < inode> i'll dcc it to yah 08:30 < praenti_fh> because now i must go. and i want to check if this perhaps a problem of us 08:30 < huebi> Moep! moin 08:31 < inode> yo 08:31 < praenti_fh> later if esden is here, he can also help aou 08:31 < praenti_fh> moin huebi 08:31 < praenti_fh> or huebi ;-) 08:31 < praenti_fh> cya later 08:32 < inode> yeah both have been gracious with thier help 08:32 -!- praenti_fh is now known as praenti_fh_afk 08:33 < inode> huebi can i install with only stage 1 & 2 ??? 08:34 < huebi> inode: no, you need stage 3 and a few of 4 and 5 08:34 < huebi> I have to leave now. see you in 45 -60 min 08:35 < inode> l8r 08:35 < huebi> ;-) 08:38 -!- term_emu is now known as term_aweh 08:39 -!- inode [~inode@cs666986-234.satx.rr.com] has quit ("BitchX-1.0c17 -- just do it.") 08:41 -!- inode [~inode@cs666986-234.satx.rr.com] has joined #rocklinux 09:04 < esden> hi all 09:12 < esden> nothing going on here ??? 09:34 -!- fake666 [fake@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:34 < fake666> ohayoooo 09:35 < esden> hi fake666 09:35 < esden> i am currently answering your mail ... 09:36 < esden> what is the abbrivate for Swedish ? 09:37 -!- tsa [~tsa@sec-01.bi.devcon.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:38 < tsa> moin allerseits. 09:38 < esden> fake666: mail sent to the list ... you should get it in a moment ... ;-) 09:38 < esden> hi tsa 09:38 < tsa> hi esden 09:39 < esden> hmm fake666 is not reacting :-(( 09:39 < esden> *wait* 09:40 < tsa> hehe 09:41 < fake666> <-- asleep :) 09:41 < fake666> good morning esden 09:41 < fake666> how comes you're up that early? 09:42 < fake666> studying time again? 09:43 < tsa> hehe. 09:43 < esden> fake666: yepp ... i am finnaly at the uni ... 09:44 < esden> i have a lecture in 15 mins .. 09:44 < tsa> about? 09:44 < esden> maths .. :-( 09:44 < fake666> hehe 09:44 < fake666> have fun ;) 09:44 < esden> can someone tell me what the abbrivate for swedis is ? 09:45 < fake666> sw? 09:45 < esden> hmm can be ... 09:45 < tsa> .se ? 09:45 < tsa> maths suck. 09:45 < esden> tsa: sure ... 09:45 < esden> but I have to take it 09:45 < esden> cu l8ter 09:47 < fake666> cya 09:53 < tsa> esden: i know....i still have to do my maths exam, too.. 10:01 -!- rxr [~rene@213.20.132.57] has joined #rocklinux 10:01 < rxr> moin 10:09 < huebi> moin rxr 10:11 < huebi> toll, alle da ;) 10:17 < fake666> jop 10:17 < fake666> morschn rxr 10:17 < huebi> hi fake666 10:22 < rxr> huebi: the spec cpu95 aren't that great for the u5 ... 10:22 < rxr> Ultra 5 Model 270 9.17 7.50 10:23 < rxr> (fp) Ultra 5 Model 270 10.6 8.93 10:24 < rxr> Intel DK440LX motherboard (300MH 11.6 11.6 10:25 < rxr> (fp) Intel Corporatio Intel DK440LX motherboard (300MH 8.46 7.89 10:25 < rxr> :-( 10:28 < huebi> SPECint? 10:28 < huebi> ahh yes 10:29 < rxr> the line with (fp) is SPECfp95 - the other SPECint95 ... 10:29 < rxr> There were no SPEC2000 results - so I had to take the 95 ones :-( 10:32 < huebi> SPECint2000 Ultra 10 333MHz 133 10:32 < huebi> Epox 8KHA+ Motherboard, AMD Athlon (TM) XP 1800+ 648 671 10:33 < huebi> The Athlon is >5 times faster 10:33 < huebi> U10 and U5 are the same except the case 10:37 < huebi> https://www.livingston.de/shop/shop.php/pt=pis/lk=de/sk=de?man=SUN+MICROSYSTEMS&sstr=Ultra+5&sall=1 10:37 < huebi> https://www.livingston.de/content.php/lk=de/sk=de/did=itsales_detail_local.php/eid=406 <- normal price 10:37 < SMP> hmmm 10:37 < huebi> Moin SMP 10:37 < rxr> hi SMP 10:38 < fake666> hi SMP! 10:38 * SMP sent himself to sleep in /dev/bed since Sunday .. 10:39 < fake666> the common cold? 10:41 < SMP> not so common, a bit worse. I puked the hell out of myself .. 10:41 < fake666> aawww... poor smp... 10:43 < fake666> btw, who will be at LinuxTag this year? 10:43 * fake666 raises his hand ;) 10:43 * SMP 10:44 * rxr too (hopefully) 10:44 * tsa /hopefully) 10:46 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 10:47 < netcrow> hi 10:47 < rxr> sind wir da schon angemeldet?, Wo uebernachtet ihr so? 10:48 < fake666> <-- uebernachtet am stand *g* 10:48 < fake666> hi netti! 10:49 < netcrow> linuuxtag? 10:49 < fake666> ne, ich denk mal es wird wieder so ne turnhalle oder so geben wo man umsonst pennen kann 10:49 < huebi> <AOL> me too, me too </AOL> 10:49 < rxr> fake666: Are you sure?? It is not CCC ... - Ah ok. 10:49 < SMP> fake666: das gab's die letzten Male jedenfalls nicht?! 10:50 < fake666> rxr: i was there last year... i knwo. 10:50 < netcrow> fake hat vor eine turnhalle zu bauen ;) 10:50 < fake666> smp> sischer... was meinst wo esden und ich gepennt haben? 10:50 < SMP> hmm 10:51 < fake666> smp> weiss ich noch ganz genau, die aufsicht von der uni war die ganze zeit bekifft - war witzich ^ 10:51 < tsa> hehe 10:51 < SMP> bear in mind that this year's LinuxTag will be in Kaiserslautern again, like until '99, not in Stuttgart 10:51 < tsa> hm....ich hab keine ahnung, wie interessant linux-tag fuer mich waere...aber zumindest koennte man dann mal gemeinsam einen trinken gehen ;-) 10:52 < huebi> tsa: da binich dabei 10:52 < tsa> huebi: fein ;) 10:52 < SMP> normalerweise bleibt fuer interessante Dinge keine Zeit :> 10:53 < fake666> smp got to know lolita last year ;) 10:53 < tsa> lolita? hm? 10:53 * SMP pets his laptop ;-} 10:53 < fake666> tsa: his hot little laptop ;) 10:53 < tsa> aaaah ;-) 10:54 < huebi> Sony "Lolita" Vaio 10:54 < fake666> SMP: maybe my employer'll pay for a hotel... 10:54 < fake666> i hope so. being employed has its advantages *g* 10:54 * SMP 's employer is going to pay his hotel for sure! 10:55 < SMP> being self-employed has its advantages *g* 10:55 < fake666> *grml* 10:56 < fake666> *argh 10:56 < fake666> damn iPlanet >_< 10:56 < huebi> fake666: hmm? 10:58 < fake666> iPlanet Directory Server 4.16 for Linux 10:58 < fake666> pain-in-the-ass-o-matic 10:59 < huebi> For Solaris too. 10:59 < fake666> it at least _installs_ correctly under Solaris 11:00 < fake666> for some reason it will never install under lesbian 11:00 < fake666> but it does under rock 11:01 < fake666> (what's perfectly fine with me *g*) 11:04 < SMP> hehehe 11:13 < fake666> aah 11:13 < fake666> much better 11:15 < tsa> libxml 2.4.20, libxslt 1.0.16 released (see freshmeat). maintainers currently present? 11:17 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit ("mhm...pizza :))") 11:17 < huebi> tsa: jo 11:18 < tsa> fein. baust die updates gleich rein? 11:18 -!- hack^uni [~zirkelfr@inpph002.Student.Uni-Augsburg.DE] has joined #rocklinux 11:18 < huebi> jo, und vim 6.1 auch 11:19 < huebi> und ich starte dann auch gleich mal einen neuen build. Mal sehen ob das dann auch noch alles geht. 11:19 < tsa> oki.. 11:19 < hack^uni> hallo zusammen 11:20 < huebi> hi hackbard 11:27 < huebi> tsa: das ist eine groessere aktion. Das muss noch mal warten 11:27 < tsa> hm.... 11:27 < tsa> ok. 11:28 < huebi> libxml ist bei 1.8.17 mit der 2er gibt es bestimmt viel zu tun.. 11:32 < tsa> gab es da nicht extra nen package libxml2 ? 11:33 < huebi> jo, ich sehe mir vorher aber lieber noch mal dRock an 11:33 < tsa> ok 11:38 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 11:39 < netcrow> re 11:40 < fake666> roe 11:40 < huebi> hi netcrow 11:48 < netcrow> hm, diese ruhe 11:49 < huebi> netcrow: pschhhht Stoere sie nicht ;))) 11:58 < netcrow> hm, ich probier jetzt mal diese komische irssi aus 11:58 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit ("[BX] Reserve your copy of BitchX-1.0c18 for the Amiga today!") 12:02 < tsa> bbl. 12:02 -!- tsa [~tsa@sec-01.bi.devcon.net] has quit ("wech.") 12:02 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 12:02 < netcrow> hm, da is mir die config zu dumm 12:22 < esden> hi all 12:23 < esden> and re hi ;-( 12:23 < esden> argh 12:23 < esden> I can't type ... 12:23 < esden> hmm .. 12:23 < esden> ;-) 12:28 < esden> soso ... 12:29 < esden> ok mail an chatmaster raus @ netcrow && fake666 12:40 * -> esden reading scrollback and loughing the hell out of himself 12:43 * -> esden requesting vim in rocklinux base ... as a alternative standard editor ... and icewm .... 12:43 < esden> ;-) 12:46 < huebi> esden: vim in opt is good. 12:48 -!- praenti_fh_afk is now known as praenti_fh 12:48 < praenti_fh> re for 10 minutes 12:48 < netcrow> pranti is von der brotzeit zurück M( 12:48 < netcrow> ;-) 12:49 < esden> re praenti_fh 12:49 < netcrow> btw: https://netcrow.by-infonet.de/traffic/ 12:50 * praenti_fh is auch auf dem linuxtag 12:51 < praenti_fh> der ist übrigens in karlsruhe 12:51 < netcrow> und wnn is der? 12:51 < praenti_fh> und NICHT in kaiserslautern 12:51 * netcrow nimmt an pränti fährt mit eigenem auto ;-) 12:51 < praenti_fh> https://www.linuxtag.org/2002/deutsch/30.html 12:52 < praenti_fh> netti: recht hast du 12:52 < netcrow> wann isn der genau?= 12:52 < praenti_fh> rtfwp 12:55 < huebi> netcrow: https://netcrow.by-infonet.de/traffic/ <- was steckt denn da hinter 12:55 < fake666> *yawns* 12:55 < fake666> re hi esden 12:56 < fake666> hi praenti 12:56 < esden> dass ist traffic von apollo unserem server @ huebi 12:56 < esden> re hi fake666 12:56 < esden> wieso dass 666 fake ... 12:56 -!- fake666 is now known as fake 12:56 < fake> ;) 12:56 < praenti_fh> *g* 12:56 < esden> aso ... 12:56 < fake> gibts hier nickserv? 12:56 < huebi> esden: modifiziertes mrtg oder wie ist das sonst gemacht? 12:56 < esden> schon viel besser @ fake 12:57 < praenti_fh> fake: jo. aber der tut nix soweit ich das gesehen hab. der hebt nur memos auf 12:57 < esden> huebi: frage netcrow der hat es aufgesetzt ... ist irgend so eine mysql/php loesung ... 12:57 * praenti_fh muss dann mal verwaltungskram erledigen. cya later 12:57 < esden> fake: ja gibt es ... 12:57 < fake> brb 12:58 < fake> und wie funzt das nochmal? 12:58 -!- praenti_fh is now known as praenti_fh_afk 12:58 < fake> <--- irc-l8mer 12:58 < esden> /msg nickserv help ; 12:58 < esden> -";" 12:58 < fake> *argh 12:58 < fake> BitchX: Auto-ignoring NickServ for 10 minutes [NOTICE flood] 12:58 < esden> ja ... 12:59 < esden> /set floodprotection off 12:59 < esden> oder so 12:59 < fake> No such variable "FLOODPROTECTION" 12:59 < esden> mache um die variable rauszukriegen /set f 13:00 < fake> dann sagt er fake ;-) 13:00 < esden> hehe ... 13:00 < esden> mom ... 13:00 < esden> /set SET FLOOD_PROTECT OFF 13:00 < esden> argh 13:00 < esden> /SET FLOOD_PROTECT OFF 13:00 < esden> soo 13:01 < fake> tnx 13:01 < esden> bidde 13:01 < fake> kann ich das verdraten irgendwie? $FLOOD_PROTECTION auf OFF ? 13:01 < esden> ja ... 13:02 < esden> cat ^SET FLOOD_PROTECT OFF > ~/.bitchxrc 13:02 < fake> brb 13:02 -!- fake [fake@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit ("BitchX FTP Site -- ftp://scripts.bitchx.com") 13:04 -!- fake [fake@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:04 < fake> ah. much better. 13:05 < esden> fake: kannst meine nehmen ... liegt in meinem home ... oder nimm irssi ... ist eh viel besser als bitchx ... aber solltest dir ( https://de.irssi.org/?page=docs&doc=startup-HOWTO#c1 ) anschauen um den zu konfigurieren .. ist ne einmalige sache ... der merkt sich alles ... nicht so wie der bitchix den du zwingen musst damit der sich was merkt .... 13:05 < fake> jetzt muss ich nur noch rausfinden warum der sack cn=Events, cn=Usage Model, ou=DPS, o=humanit.de nicht mag 13:06 < netcrow> irssi hat ne scheiß config 13:06 < fake> esden> ich schreibe was und dann kann jemand anderes es lesen, mehr erwarte ich nicht ;) 13:06 < netcrow> find ich 13:06 < esden> netcrow: nicht wirklich ... du editierst die config auch nie per hand 13:07 < esden> sondern im irssi selbst ... 13:07 < netcrow> hm, ich depp habs per hand gemacht..*g* 13:07 < esden> es ist einfacher als dass verspulte .bitchxrc 13:07 < esden> ja wie gesagt https://de.irssi.org/?page=docs&doc=startup-HOWTO#c1 lesen !!!! 13:08 < esden> dass erleichtert dass leben immens ... ich verstehe nicht wieso niemand die dokus liest ... dass macht dass leben so viel einfacher ... 13:09 < huebi> esden: Damit Du sagen kannst: RTFM! 13:09 < esden> wenn man die dokus schreibt liest die niemand ... wenn man die nicht schreibt dass regen sich die leute auf dass es die nicht gibt ... dass ist echt frustrierend >_< 13:10 < fake> life sucks. 13:10 < fake> que sera, sera.. 13:10 < esden> fake: da stimme ich dir voll und ganz zu ... :-( 13:10 < fake> what ever will be will be... *sing* *schunkel* 13:10 < huebi> esden: Bei Windows muss man nicht lesen, nur klicken. ;> 13:10 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit ("irssi ich schau mal du hund") 13:14 < esden> uii ich glaube der netti hat sich jetzt angegriffen gefuehlt >_< dass wollte ich nicht ... :-( 13:14 < fake> hey, wer kennt sich mit QNX aus? 13:14 < fake> 6.1 13:17 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:17 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit (Client Quit) 13:19 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:20 < netcrow> test 13:20 < fake> retest 13:20 < esden> fake: ich habe mal die demo diskette ausprobiert ... ich wurde wirklich ueberrascht ... aber dass wars auch ... tut mir leid 13:20 < esden> netcrow: retest ;-) 13:21 < fake> esden: die 6.1er full-cd kannste runterladen 13:21 < fake> is echt geil 13:21 < fake> nur spinnt er bei meiner ext2 voll rum 13:22 -!- freed [~bofh@konzentrat.tfh-berlin.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:22 < freed> hi @ll 13:22 < netcrow> hi 13:22 < fake> hi 13:23 < freed> ach doch jemand da ;) 13:23 < netcrow> immer doch ;) 13:23 < freed> wo finde ich denn ein rocklinux iso? 13:24 < freed> rxr biste hier? 13:25 < huebi> freed: was hast Du fuer eine Netzanbindung? 13:25 < freed> wieso? kommt drauf an 13:25 < esden> arrrrrrggggghhhh ... I hate them .. sorry I can not help me ... I hate them >_< : https://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/04/15/1454240&mode=nocomment&tid=167 13:25 < hack^uni> konzentrat.tfh-berlin.de <- ich wette dieis schnell :) 13:25 < freed> hehe genau 13:26 < freed> ansonsten dsl 13:26 < huebi> freed: Die Netzkapazitaet fuer diesen Monat vom mirror ist verbraucht. Deshalb biete ich Dir einen Upload an. Sag nur wohin 13:27 < freed> mmh mom 13:27 < huebi> scp oder ftp 13:27 < huebi> lieber scp 13:27 < freed> mal mit rxr reden vielleicht können wir die isos ja auch auf unseren rechner hosten 13:28 < esden> huebi: soll ich auf meinem dsl auch einen mirror machen ? was glaubst du ? 13:28 < hack^uni> esden: wuerde ich ncht 13:28 < freed> mom mach mal ein rocklinux-acc 13:28 < hack^uni> nur fuer die scripts evtl 13:28 < esden> hack^uni: hmm ... hast recht ... 13:28 < huebi> Das ISO-Saugen ist vieel zu heftig. Du kannst dann nichts mehr machen. 13:29 < esden> ajj ich wollte noch lrz besuch abstatten ... 13:29 < netcrow> wer saugt schon gern mit 16 kb/s 13:29 < fake> QoS ? 13:29 < hack^uni> hi fake 13:29 < fake> hai 13:29 < hack^uni> bist du der indy fake? 13:29 < huebi> netcrow: -> 20h DL-Zeit 13:29 < fake> .... *rauesper* ... wieso? 13:29 < esden> ich lese slashdot fertig und dann gehe ich rueber .... 13:30 < hack^uni> ichhatte dir mal gemailt, du kanntest mich nimmer ! :p 13:30 < netcrow> man sollte rock doch mal bei linuxiso.org oder so mirrorn 13:30 < hack^uni> habe sone cyber910 bekommen 13:30 < huebi> netcrow: https://netcrow.by-infonet.de/traffic/ <- was steckt denn da hinter? *auchhabenwill* 13:30 < netcrow> huebi: einfaches mysql und php *g* 13:30 < fake> oh, das is ne little endian, oder? also mispel, right? 13:30 < esden> netcrow: ich habe die auch schon angeschrieben ... aber die antworten .. 13:30 < esden> nicht 13:30 < esden> ich schreibe heute abend denen ne mail ... 13:30 < fake> ich dachte linuxiso linkt nur auf die mirrors der distris? 13:30 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pc19.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:30 < netcrow> huebi: https://ifmonitor.preteritoimperfeito.com/ 13:30 < bluefire> mon 13:31 < hack^uni> fake: dunno, aber sonen vorcompileten mips kernel wollte sie nicht :( 13:31 < hack^uni> ich probier da mal heuet abend evtl weietr rum, is nur immer dumm mit zeit! 13:31 < huebi> danke netcrow 13:31 < fake> hack^uni: inwiefern "wollte nicht" ? 13:31 < esden> fake: ja .. ein link waehre aber trotzdem toll 13:31 < netcrow> ach huebi, irgend so ein daemon läuft da auchnoch dazu...der was im /proc wurschtelt 13:31 < netcrow> glaub ich 13:31 < hack^uni> puh, ich schmeiss es heute abend an, dann erinner ich mich wieder ... 13:31 < esden> huebi: weisst wieviel traffic so ein mirror braucht ? 13:31 < hack^uni> :) 13:31 < fake> okeeee ;) 13:32 < fake> ich habs 13:32 < fake> der beste iso-mirror ist immernoch: eDonkey! 13:32 < hack^uni> haha :) 13:32 < huebi> SMP hat in den ersten 9 Tagen 20GB gehabt. Er war wirklich nicht begeistert. 13:32 < fake> wir lassen distributed donkeys laufen und bieten nur den ed2k:// link auf die isos an 13:32 < fake> so können alle develer ihre DSL flatrate nutzen 13:32 < fake> (oder so) 13:32 < fake> und keiner hat übermässig viel 13:33 < huebi> fake: wie geht das? 13:33 < esden> fake: wenn sorcerer auf linuxiso ist ... dann muessen wir auch da hin ... 13:33 < hack^uni> gute idee, bei dem experiment bin ich dabei! 13:33 < fake> huebi: kennst du eDonkey 13:33 < hack^uni> esden: das stimmt auch wieder. 13:33 < huebi> fake: Nee, noch nie gehoert 13:33 < freed> so kann losgehen 13:35 < fake> huebi: geiles filesharing, kriegst so gut wie alles ;) 13:35 < fake> das prinzip: du ziehst mehrere teile gleichzeitig von verschiedenen leuten. 13:35 < fake> wenn er alles hat setzt er es zusammen. 13:35 < esden> soo ... 13:35 < esden> ich gehe lrz 13:36 < fake> während du ziehst ist das was du schon gezogen hast automatisch geshared 13:36 < esden> cu bis spaeter 13:36 < fake> das heisst schnelle verteilung und gleichmässig auslastung 13:36 < fake> nur dummerweise isses closed source ;) 13:36 < fake> cu esden! 13:39 < esden> huebi !!! wo liegt 1.5.14 ???? 13:39 < esden> ich finde es nicht auf download.rocklinux.de 13:39 < esden> ist es bei dir daheim ??? 13:39 < huebi> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/snapshots/rock-src-1.5.14.tar.bz2 13:40 < esden> ahh ich habe es 13:40 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit ("screen uff") 13:41 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:41 < esden> huebi: solltest auch auf download.rocklinux.de drauftun 13:42 < huebi> esden: kommt noch. Ich brauche jetzt erst mal MySQL und PHP und Apache und phpgroupware 13:43 < fake> huebi: www.rpmfind.com *GGG* 13:43 * huebi sucht die Mandrake 8.2 CDs 13:44 < huebi> hehe Mandrake kann rpm 13:44 < huebi> rock gluecklicherweise nicht. 13:44 < fake> hm, kommt drauf an wie du koennen definierst ;) 13:45 < esden> huebi: kuennen schon .. also dass programm rpm ist bei rock dabei .... 13:46 < esden> soo ich habe jetzt alles was ich brauche 13:46 < esden> jetzt gehe ich ... 13:46 < esden> cu l8ter 13:46 < fake> ciao 13:46 < huebi> fake: Mit alleeS und Scharf und Zimt und rpms suchen und aergern und blaaa.... 13:46 < huebi> cu esden 13:48 < fake> mit extra viel scharf. 13:48 < fake> ;) 13:48 < fake> srpm - scharf rpm 13:49 < huebi> fake: damit es auch wirklich zweimal brennt ;) 13:51 < hack^uni> later .. 13:51 -!- hack^uni [~zirkelfr@inpph002.Student.Uni-Augsburg.DE] has quit ("Client Exiting") 13:58 < fake> *phew* i did it.... jetzt bin ich beruhigt :) 13:58 < fake> scheiss java/ldap/php/.. geficke 14:05 < netcrow> back 14:08 < fake> aw. 14:26 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pc19.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit ("leaving") 15:08 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A75.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:08 < snyke> hi! 15:08 < netcrow> hi 15:08 < huebi> hi snyke 15:13 < esden> re hi all 15:14 < esden> ich bin platt ... boa kann reden mit menschen anstraengend sein ... 15:14 -!- thalerim [~be@p50812C48.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:14 < thalerim> hallo 15:15 < esden> ok ... a little question ... who is interested on kernel hacking on the SMP scheduler ? 15:15 * -> esden waiting for pong ... 15:16 < thalerim> hi esden 15:16 < esden> guys you have terrible roundtrip times ... 15:16 < esden> hi thalerim 15:17 < esden> ... .zZzZ 15:17 < netcrow> ping 15:17 < esden> not ping ... pong ... 15:18 < thalerim> hm 15:19 < esden> ok I ask it in an other way ... do you want a pretty shiny big smp machine to compile rock ??? 15:19 < netcrow> no *g* 15:19 < esden> netcrow: that was sure ... 15:19 < esden> ;-) 15:19 < thalerim> the machine i want 15:19 < esden> I ask the others ... 15:19 < netcrow> hm, i am too lame for a big machine 15:20 < thalerim> but.. 15:20 < thalerim> hm.. 15:21 < thalerim> hey rxr, wannabe idl0r wake up! 15:21 < esden> we get the machine if we get a patch from hp working on 2.4 kernel 15:22 < esden> this patch is enabling the kernel to bind processes and or users to a group of processors 15:22 < thalerim> hrhr 15:22 < huebi> PPPPP OOOO N N GGGG ! 15:22 < huebi> P P O O NN N G G ! 15:22 < huebi> P P O O N N N G ! 15:22 < huebi> PPPPP O O N N N G GGG ! 15:22 < huebi> P O O N N N G G ! 15:22 < huebi> P O O N NN G G 15:22 < huebi> P OOOO N N GGGG ! 15:22 < huebi> heh esden 15:22 < netcrow> huebi: just for the stats ;) 15:22 < thalerim> hi huebi (crazy dude) 15:23 < esden> if we say that we will make the patch usable we get a dedicated smp machine to compile rock ... 15:23 < esden> huebi: what do you say? 15:24 < esden> and others too 15:24 < thalerim> yo, sounds pretty cool 15:24 < esden> yes i think too 15:24 < thalerim> but i have no idea about this topic *g 15:24 < huebi> esden: What do you man with this patch? 15:24 < huebi> +e\ 15:26 < esden> ich rufe dich an wenn ich heim bin ich bin zu faul es in den chat zu tippen ... 15:26 < huebi> ok 15:27 < thalerim> haha 15:27 < esden> ??? 15:29 < thalerim> nix 15:30 < huebi> /usr/src/linux/arch/sparc/kernel/traps.c: 15:30 < thalerim> where has rxr gone to? 15:35 < huebi> /* Amuse the user. */ 15:35 < huebi> printk( 15:35 < huebi> " \|/ ____ \|/ 15:35 < huebi> " "@'/ ,. \ `@" 15:35 < huebi> " /_| \__/ |_\ 15:35 < huebi> " \__U_/ 15:35 < huebi> 15:36 < esden> huebi ruhe !!!! 15:36 < huebi> ok 15:36 < esden> ;-) 15:36 < thalerim> ... 15:38 * thalerim sets mode +idling 15:38 < thalerim> brb 15:45 < thalerim> does tar follow symlinks by default yes or no? 15:46 < thalerim> it does 15:52 -!- netcrow is now known as net|weg 15:57 < huebi> libpng 1.2.2 is out 16:08 < thalerim> hmmm 16:08 < rxr> thalerim: pong - I'm back ;-) 16:08 < thalerim> okay 16:09 < rxr> thalerim: you wanted s.th. from my some hours back? 16:09 < thalerim> yo. see query 16:13 < rxr> freed: ah I'm back ... 16:14 < rxr> freed: the dRock ISOs are at: https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/ 16:14 < rxr> unstable/1.6.0-rc1-new kann ich empfehlen ... 16:24 < thalerim> rxr?! 16:24 < rxr> ja ja ja ... 16:24 < rxr> muss gerade emails read()/write() ... ;-) 16:25 < thalerim> dann sag mir das doch, mensch! ich warte und warte.. und keine reaktion :) 16:26 < rxr> ich hatte den query gerade nich im blickfeld - sorry ... 16:39 < praenti_fh_afk> esden? 16:39 -!- praenti_fh_afk is now known as praenti_fh 16:39 < praenti_fh> esden: du da? ich brauch was von dir! 16:41 < fake> hehe 16:41 < fake> another rock server online ;) 16:42 < huebi> fake: where? 16:42 < praenti_fh> fake: kannst du mir mal schnell nen vhost brandy.by-infonet.de einrichten? 16:42 < praenti_fh> auf dem apollo 16:43 < praenti_fh> ich darf nicht. hab ja nur notfall-sudo 16:43 < fake> huebi> 194.8.220.69... but plz don't destroy anything ;) 16:43 < huebi> ok. I'm carefull 16:43 < fake> praenti> o_O?? ich hab auch nur sudo... sudo -s ;) 16:44 < fake> huebi> kannst du mal schaun ob die ports 389 und oder 390 nach aussen offen sind? 16:44 -!- holyolli [~oregehr@rossini.marcant.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:44 < praenti_fh> fake: es geht darum. ob ich darf oder nicht. kenne nämlich die konfiguration nicht. wenn ich an den apache-confs jetzt was änder, nicht dass dann bchat nimmer geht 16:44 < holyolli> hi 16:44 < praenti_fh> und deswegen will ich nicht 16:45 < fake> mom 16:48 < fake> praenti? 16:48 < fake> your htdocs is /var/www/htdocs.brandy 16:49 < praenti_fh> ok 16:54 < fake> you're welcome. 16:54 < praenti_fh> fake: ich brauch noch was. du hast mir doch mal eine db auf der mysql eingerichtet? kannst du mal nachschauen obs die noch gibt? 16:55 * praenti_fh nervt schon wieder ... 17:01 < fake> man, allerdings... 17:01 < praenti_fh> ;-) 17:02 < fake> wie hiess die denn die DB? 17:02 < praenti_fh> irgendwas mit yapBB oder so ähnlich 17:02 < fake> noe 17:02 < praenti_fh> ich brauch nämlich eine db zum testen 17:02 < fake> aha? 17:02 < fake> poseidon? 17:03 < praenti_fh> wär auch ne möglichkeit. wollte sie aber gleich da haben 17:03 < praenti_fh> is sowieso nur temporär für die nächsten 2 monate. dann dürfte meine ipx daheim das mal machen können 17:03 < fake> wie soll sie heissen? 17:04 < fake> *PRUUUST* 17:04 < praenti_fh> nenn sie FH 17:04 < fake> bitte ETWAS genauer 17:04 < praenti_fh> FH_AWFach 17:04 < fake> o_O 17:04 < fake> man, sinnvolle namen? 17:04 < fake> Brandy_test? 17:05 < fake> oder mo_test? 17:05 < praenti_fh> ok. dann nenn sie brandy_test 17:05 < fake> oke 17:05 < fake> username? 17:05 < fake> mo1032, richtig? 17:05 < praenti_fh> jepp 17:05 < fake> pwd? 17:05 < fake> msg ma 17:05 < thalerim> ach mist 17:05 < thalerim> :D 17:05 < praenti_fh> thalerim: zu früh gefreut ;-) 17:06 < thalerim> <- sleeper ;) 17:06 < fake> is eh nur @localhost 17:06 < praenti_fh> jenau 17:06 < thalerim> was is nur @localhost? 17:06 < praenti_fh> die db 17:07 < fake> oke. name: brandy_test, user mo1032. viel spass, und sag bescheid wenn du sie nimmer brauchst. 17:07 < praenti_fh> mach ich 17:07 < fake> wo phpMyAdmin is weist du ja, oder? 17:07 < thalerim> frag mich net wie, aber das is net 100% sicher; irgendwie kann man per geschicktem routing die apckete zu sich routen 17:07 < praenti_fh> jepp 17:08 < fake> thalerim: andere frage bleibt dabei: lohnt es sich, eine testdatenbank zu hacken? :) dann lieber was sinnvolles. 17:08 < praenti_fh> ok. basst 17:08 < thalerim> codito ergo sum - i hack, therefore I am 17:09 < rxr> esden: ? 17:09 < thalerim> der ist sich volllaufen gehen ;) 17:09 < rxr> ah ok. 17:09 < thalerim> also, vermute ich mal 17:09 < fake> was nun laufen oder gehen? :) 17:09 < fake> ich glaub der is lrz 17:10 < thalerim> yo, furz 17:10 < fake> bitte? 17:10 < thalerim> damit wollte ich eigentlich implezieren, was lrz sei ... 17:10 < thalerim> implizieren 17:11 < fake> ... 17:11 < thalerim> implizieren ~= andeuten 17:12 < fake> <-- weiss es nicht. hab nur gequoted. 17:12 < thalerim> hm 17:12 < thalerim> lol 17:12 < thalerim> hab ich dich mal wieder erwischt :D 17:13 < rxr> ist hier jemand der bei der ROCK sf CVS sucks diskussion da war ? 17:13 < thalerim> so ich bin latein lernen 17:13 < praenti_fh> verdammt. das phpmyadmin meldet immer einen syntax-fehler. 17:13 < fake> iiieks. 17:13 < praenti_fh> und die zeile ist abgeschnitten 17:13 < praenti_fh> vermutlich unsere beschissene firewall 17:14 < fake> praenti_fh, na ob das an dem phpmyadmin liegt ;) 17:14 < fake> nana 17:14 < praenti_fh> weiß ich auch net genau. bloß ne zeile sollte eigentlich nicht abgeschnitten sein 17:16 < praenti_fh> You have an error in your SQL syntax near '(20) UNSIGNED NOT NULL, `Matrikel` SMALLINT(8) NOT NULL, `Fach` TEXT(20) NOT NUL' at line 1 17:16 < praenti_fh> das sieht für mich abgeschnitten aus 17:16 < net|weg> mensch brandy was machst du für sachen 17:16 < fake> NUL ? 17:16 -!- net|weg is now known as netcrow 17:16 < netcrow> *g* 17:16 < praenti_fh> genau. das macht phpmyadmin 17:16 < fake> brandy> ne ne 17:17 < fake> da is nurn fehler vorher 17:17 < fake> was steht denn vor dem (20) am anfang? 17:17 < praenti_fh> TEXT 17:17 < fake> Text is geschützt 17:17 < fake> schlüsselwort 17:17 < fake> nennes anders dann gehts 17:17 < fake> es gibt nämlich einen feldtyp text. 17:17 < fake> <-- eine rauchen 17:18 < praenti_fh> genau des will ich ja 17:18 < fake> Text hat keine länge 17:18 < fake> so nebenbei 17:18 < fake> is ein BLOB 17:18 < fake> und UNSIGNED geht schonmal ganich o_O 17:18 < praenti_fh> aso. ok. hab halt noch net viel erfahrung. lacht mich aus 17:19 * fake lacht brandy aus wenn er es umbedingt will ;) 17:19 < fake> ne quatsch 17:19 < fake> jetzt aber rauchen. 17:20 -!- thalerim is now known as thAlerim 17:23 * praenti_fh checkts langsam ;-) 17:23 < netcrow> hehe 17:23 < netcrow> prandy, bist ja auch student ;) 17:28 -!- Bevin [~gbevin@213-193-176-221.adsl.easynet.be] has joined #rocklinux 17:28 < Bevin> 'morning 17:28 < huebi> hi 17:30 < rxr> huebi: hi - now the mail to rock-linux is out wihtout a short discuesion - but we can do it via mail this time 17:30 < rxr> content: sf cvs ... 17:30 < huebi> sf cvs sucks? 17:33 < praenti_fh> hi geert 17:33 < rxr> huebi: is this a question or answer? ;-) 17:33 < praenti_fh> rxr: good idea 17:33 < huebi> rxr: no, a RFC ;> 17:34 < rxr> he he ;-) You both are free to reply to the mail !! ;-< 17:34 < rxr> s/</>/ ;-)) 17:34 < freed> rxr query! 17:35 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@pD902336F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:36 < huebi> hi aszlig 17:36 < aszlig> ho 17:36 < praenti_fh> Bevin: do you want to maintain your packages anymore. armijn told me, that have leaved rock and yesterday i read your statement 17:36 < praenti_fh> ...that you have... 17:37 < Bevin> praenti_fh: I was just hoping to catch armijn here 17:37 < Bevin> praenti_fh: been wondering which package manager rock is now going to default on 17:37 < Bevin> praenti_fh: and yes, I'm not maintaining the rock packages I wrote a few months ago anymore 17:38 < praenti_fh> i see. because i will maintain some of your old packages 17:38 < Bevin> praenti_fh: good :-) 17:41 < freed> na wenn du willst kannst du die uppen 17:41 < praenti_fh> freed: 2 hab ich schon. common-c++ auf ein verfügbares release und xine 17:41 < freed> sorry wahr im falschen fenster 17:43 < surprise> hi 17:44 < praenti_fh> ok. i must do some things. 17:44 -!- praenti_fh is now known as praenti_fh_afk 17:44 < huebi> so Feierabend, see you later... 17:45 < holyolli> cu huebi 17:47 -!- Az|work [~workshop@196.41.29.142] has joined #rocklinux 17:50 < Bevin> hi Az|work :-) 17:53 -!- Bevin is now known as BevinShopping 17:56 < Az|work> hiya BevinShopping 17:56 < Az|work> sorry, still trying to get the day past ;-) 18:00 -!- freed [~bofh@konzentrat.tfh-berlin.de] has quit ("[BX] For a good time, call 1-900-4BitchX") 18:00 -!- freed [~bofh@konzentrat.tfh-berlin.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:01 < Az|work> BevinShopping: ill catch you later tonight .. im going home now 18:02 < rxr> Bevin are you the gentoo guy ? 18:03 -!- Az|work [~workshop@196.41.29.142] has left #rocklinux () 18:21 < esden> huebi: can I call you now ? 18:23 < thAlerim> esden: he's going to home right now. 18:38 -!- holyolli [~oregehr@rossini.marcant.net] has quit ("fnord!") 18:39 < rxr> Alan Cox, today: Byteswap as a 18:39 < rxr> new revolutionary crypto system for the loopback driver isnt hard 18:39 < rxr> - He he he ;-) 18:39 -!- clifford [~clifford@62.46.5.45] has joined #rocklinux 18:39 < esden> hi clifford 18:39 < clifford> hi! 18:40 < rxr> moin Cliff! 18:40 < esden> hehe 18:40 < clifford> hi rene. 18:40 < esden> endlich bist du da ;-) 18:40 < esden> soo 18:40 < esden> wo sindma stehen geblieben ... 18:41 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o clifford] by ChanServ 18:41 < esden> aja dependences .... 18:41 < esden> hehe angeber ;-) 18:41 <@clifford> .. und paralell package builds 18:41 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o esden] by clifford 18:41 -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o esden] by ChanServ 18:41 < esden> loool 18:41 <@clifford> <hmmm> 18:41 -!- freed [~bofh@konzentrat.tfh-berlin.de] has quit ("BitchX: not from concentrate") 18:42 -!- th [th@delta.boerde.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:42 < esden> momment 18:43 < esden> soo 18:43 < th> huebi: deine mail addr? 18:43 < th> huebi@rock? 18:43 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o esden] by ChanServ 18:43 <@esden> soo 18:43 < rxr> clifford: was the postdoc sollution ok - or should I reorganize s.th. there 18:43 <@esden> ok 18:43 < th> boah 18:43 < th> gut gefuellt hier 18:43 < th> hi bevin, hi clifford 18:44 <@esden> jepp 18:44 < netcrow> esden: dein op sieht in irssi scheiße aus..*g* 18:44 <@esden> netcrow: du hast probs ... 18:44 < aszlig> netcrow: hey! nix gegen irssi! re 18:44 <@esden> ;-) 18:44 <@esden> re aszlig 18:45 <@clifford> rxr: it's slightly modified in the last snap. I'm not shure if it's o.k. for xanim thought ... 18:45 <@esden> clifford: what did you want to tell me about the paralell building of packages ?? 18:46 <@clifford> nothing - so far .. ;-) 18:46 <@esden> hmm so I will have to wait for more ... 18:46 * clifford didn't read the "want" in esdens msg - need some sleep .. 18:47 <@esden> heh ... 18:47 <@clifford> ok - looks like the dependencies are working now. 18:47 <@esden> good ... i will have to take a look on it ... 18:47 <@clifford> the next step will be the creation of the *.cache files. 18:48 <@clifford> Every package will have a *.cache file next to *.desc and *.conf. 18:48 <@clifford> The *.cache files are auto-generated and contain information from a "reference build" like the dependencies. 18:49 <@esden> hmm good that is what I thought you want to do ... 18:49 <@clifford> Using the cache file we can generate at every time in the build a list of packages which can be build next. 18:50 < rxr> I thouhg about this, too 18:50 < SMP> hi Clifford 18:50 < rxr> how will you mark dependencies and optionals ? 18:50 <@esden> hi SMP 18:51 < rxr> moin SMP 18:51 < netcrow> hi SMP 18:51 < SMP> @ are chic? ;) 18:51 <@clifford> rxr: I will not do it. If a package is not present in the "Packages" file, a dependency to it will be ignored. 18:52 < rxr> ok - this might work. 18:52 <@clifford> the "reference build" will be a special target containing all packages and configured in a way to produce as much dependencies as possible. 18:52 < rxr> ok 18:53 <@clifford> on possible problem will be the compiler. 18:53 < rxr> why? 18:53 <@clifford> If if e.g. use gcc2 in the reference build and make a icc based build later, all packages will depend on gcc2 and noone on icc. 18:54 < rxr> hm. but this dependency is not important 18:54 < rxr> since all packages depend on the compiler - and this dependency is misleading anyway 18:54 < rxr> becasue X does not need gcc2 to run 18:54 <@clifford> sure it is. You must not build any package from stage 2 or higher before you have built the c compiler in the lower stages. 18:54 < rxr> (thinking of the install case, where you select X11 ...) 18:54 < SMP> rxr: we're talking _build time_ dependencies 18:55 <@clifford> rxr: so we can auto-detect the build order independend of the package priority and so build multiple packages in paralell. 18:56 < rxr> clifford: yes - I know 18:56 <@clifford> esden: btw - the latest snaps do contain an 'strace' based fl_wrapper replacement. So we can make e.g. dietlibc based builds and still have something like an flist wrapper. 18:56 <@esden> ahh good 18:56 < rxr> but since the dependency generating process is the same I only wanted to add that some dependencies are not that interesting for some cases 18:57 <@esden> clifford: i think that i will put the dietlibc on top of my todo list now ... 18:58 <@esden> clifford: so we can create installdisks and Create-CD ... 18:58 <@clifford> rxr: at the moment, only the build-time dependencies are interesting to me. We can also use them for the installation process and we _need_ them for the cluster builds. 18:58 < rxr> clifford: btw. have you fixed the dependency generating in the latest snap? 18:59 <@esden> we need stuff to feed the smp machine @ lrz ;-) 18:59 <@esden> and / or the cluster they can offer ... ;-) 18:59 < rxr> clifford: ah I see they are fixed ;-) 19:00 <@clifford> yes. The flpaese requires some command-line options now and I've forgott to add them when callinf flparse for creating the dependencies. 19:01 <@clifford> esden: yes - sooner or later we will need install-disks in 1.7 .. 19:01 < rxr> clifford: how many cases of dependency-name translation cases do we have? Only glibc gcc? 19:02 <@esden> yepp ... that is why it is advancing to the top of my todo list ... and it is pretty huge at the moment .. :-( 19:02 <@clifford> Hmm .. mostly everything which could be replaced with an alternate package. Compilers, libraries, etc. 19:03 <@clifford> Currently we have something like thos for the c-compiler and the libc only (gcc2/gcc3 and glibc/dietlibc). 19:06 <@esden> hmm it seems that the dependency lists will become pretty huge and complex ... when we get more choice possibilitys ... like gclibc or something comparable 19:06 <@esden> I mean uclibc 19:06 <@esden> not gclibc 19:07 < rxr> there is also this hackerlab-libc (or what it was called) out ... 19:08 <@esden> rxr: there are tons of such stuff ... so you can build tons^tons of different systems out of it .... 19:10 < rxr> so how to solve the name translation? let the coosen package set some "gcc2 libc" variable? 19:12 <@clifford> rxr: The best would be if one package could list it's alternate packages and whenever a packge depends on that package it automatically depends on all the alternate packages. 19:12 <@clifford> (imo) 19:12 < rxr> but this way you would have to code all alternatives into each 19:13 < rxr> transforming the dependency into a generic one in the first place might be cleaner ? 19:13 < fake> re 19:13 < fake> *argh* 19:13 < fake> brb 19:14 < rxr> hm star is from Joerg Schilling - this makes the package very unatractive ... 19:14 <@clifford> rxr: we could do that as meta-layer in the .desc files. But i would translate it to the full list of packages in the dependency cache. 19:15 <@clifford> rxr: what's wrong with gnu tar? 19:16 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817CCA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:16 < rxr> it seems to be rather huge - and the latest alpha versions (debian alreday use) produce very incompatible tar files ... 19:16 < bluefire> Moin 19:17 < bluefire> rxr: ?? 19:17 < rxr> bluefire: ? 19:17 < bluefire> rxr: who produces incompatible tar files? 19:18 <@clifford> why the hell does GNU AWK not support hashes? I don't want to write the dependency checker in perl or C ... 19:20 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has joined #rocklinux 19:20 < armijn> er 19:20 < armijn> ehr, re 19:21 < SMP> < rxr> hm star is from Joerg Schilling - this makes the package very unatractive ... 19:21 < SMP> why? 19:22 < armijn> because he 19:22 < rxr> bluefire: Ah found it (27. Dec ...) tar-1.13.25 19:22 < armijn> s german 19:22 <@clifford> imo /opt/schilly .. 19:22 < fake> aw. better- 19:22 < armijn> (argh, enter next to ') 19:23 < rxr> his eMail answers are rather rude - I heard this from several peoples ... 19:23 < armijn> rxr: I thought he was german...not Dutch... 19:23 <@clifford> .. and he has it's own coding style .. 19:24 < armijn> hey, it's clifford. 19:24 < rxr> armijn: hehe ,-) at least he live in Germany (in the the same ZIP code region here in Berlin) ... 19:24 < armijn> rxr: well, if he's rude, he has to be Dutch...or norwegian 19:25 < armijn> (well, that last thing is just to piss off skaar) 19:25 < fake> *lol* 19:25 < rxr> It is either (GNU tar) 1.13.25 or gzip 1.3.2 which produces non-error free .tars ... at least I got many from a friend using Debian SID ... 19:26 < armijn> ah, Debian, that explains a lot... 19:26 < rxr> yes ... 19:26 < armijn> they got mawk by default 19:26 < rxr> clifford: have you decided how to to the dep replacement ? 19:26 < armijn> at least on sparc... 19:26 < SMP> it's not star's fault if gtar can't read POSIX tar archives.. 19:26 < SMP> gtar stinks, but we had that discussion already ;> 19:27 < rxr> I haven't blame star! I blamed gzip/tar of Debian to do shit ... 19:27 < armijn> so, in stage 1 (1.5.x), when I build autoconf then autoconf thinks I use mawk...which I don't in the chroot 19:27 < SMP> ahh 19:27 < SMP> Debian is no reference ;) 19:27 < armijn> and egcs64 records wrong path info (search dirs) 19:28 < armijn> and I still got problems with linking and I don't know why 19:28 < armijn> and openssl doesn't build... 19:28 < armijn> need to tweak it... 19:29 < bluefire> rxr: And what shit exactly does tar-1.13.25 do? 19:29 <@clifford> rxr: not yet - I'm first writing the dependency checker in awk .. 19:30 < armijn> I thought I'd do some 30 minutes of ROCK hacking yesterday when I got home (11pm) 19:30 < armijn> turned out to be three hours :( 19:30 < rxr> bluefire: ok - I just took a look again. It is the alpha gzip debian uses - not tar 19:30 < armijn> and still isn;t working 19:31 <@esden> heh interesting ... they are talking in linux-kernel exactly about the stuff I found today ... hmm ... I think the guys are reading my thoughts .... 19:31 < armijn> esden: what stuff? 19:31 < rxr> bluefire: you might get details why gtar stinks from SMP 19:31 < armijn> SMP is the "gtar stinks" guru 19:32 <@esden> armijn: "Why HZ on i386 is 100 ?" 19:32 < bluefire> Aha. 19:32 < bluefire> SMP: just a repeat for the unworthy: why does gnu-tar stink? 19:32 < armijn> esden: HZ? 19:33 < rxr> clifford: before you disapear ;-) How should the resuce, xyz and install-disk target create their ISO and floppy images? 19:33 < armijn> esden: what's HZ? 19:33 < rxr> I think they are so different that they should do this on their own - reight? 19:33 <@esden> yes ... that is a #define that is setting the timeslice size .... 19:34 < rxr> also some helper functions can be added to the main scripts ... 19:34 <@esden> @armijn 19:34 < fake> hi esden 19:34 <@esden> hi fake 19:35 < armijn> hi fake 19:35 < armijn> esden: and, ehr, what does it do? 19:35 * -> esden had to read scheduler kernel source today ... it reads like a really good book ;-) 19:35 <@clifford> rxr: like a target is (a bit more than) a collection of packages, we will add "distributions" which are (a bit more than) a collection of targets. 19:36 <@clifford> that's my idea to solve that problem. 19:36 < armijn> esden: it broke on alpha or so? 19:36 < armijn> esden: I had to dig into the sparc64 kernel sources... 19:37 <@esden> armijn: timeslice is the time a process can run before the scheduler takes the control of the system away 19:37 < armijn> found out we can't simply build the kernel for sparc/sparc64 the way it is built now... 19:37 < SMP> bluefire: gtar archives have a proprietary format, forcing people to install gtar in addition to any standards-compliant tar archiver 19:37 < BevinShopping> rxr: yes 19:37 < BevinShopping> dag armijn 19:37 -!- BevinShopping is now known as Bevin 19:37 < armijn> hi bevin 19:37 <@esden> armijn: nope ... i got a really interesting head cruncher from lrz ... 19:37 < armijn> bevin: switching back to rock :) 19:38 < Bevin> armijn: nope 19:38 <@esden> so I read the scheduler source ;-) 19:38 < armijn> hehe 19:38 < Bevin> armijn: just wanted to hang around a channel ;-) 19:38 < armijn> bevin: ah, ok 19:38 < armijn> bevin: this "fake install system" is that a part of portage, or of GenToo? 19:38 < Bevin> armijn: and inquire what the package manager status was with rock these days 19:39 < bluefire> SMP: roger. 19:39 * SMP thinks it's ripped from OpenBSD ;p 19:39 -!- th [th@delta.boerde.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:39 < armijn> SMP: if that code is rippable :) 19:40 < armijn> just found out I definitely can't read Japanese... 19:41 < Bevin> armijn: portage 19:42 < armijn> bevin: can it be used as stand alone? without portage? 19:42 < Bevin> armijn: since I'll now be implementing a package manager from scratch, I might as well listen to the needs of rocklinux 19:43 < Bevin> armijn: the sandbox can be used standalone, yes 19:43 < armijn> bevin: well...dunno how other people feel about it, but I might be interested to know more about the sandbox 19:43 < armijn> but, as I see it, ROCK does allow for it...build your own distro :)) 19:43 * SMP too 19:44 < Bevin> armijn: I'll release an isolated version with docs by the end of the week 19:44 < armijn> bevin: kewl 19:44 < Bevin> armijn: might be good to wait until then 19:44 < Bevin> armijn: I'd be happy to explain further is some info is missing or unclean 19:44 -!- h0h0 [~hoho@dhcp024-209-107-204.woh.rr.com] has joined #rocklinux 19:45 < armijn> bevin: I will wait, no worries 19:45 < Bevin> armijn: ok :-) 19:45 < armijn> too busy with rock on sparc64 anywayz 19:45 < rxr> clifford: but this would be quite a mess! you have to build the install-disk target and then run the install-disk distribution to pack the ISO? 19:45 < Bevin> armijn: there's one known *bug* in the current sandbox though that can't be resolved since it's actually a confirmed and fixed bug in glibc 19:45 < Bevin> armijn: it'll be included in the next release of glibc 19:45 < armijn> bevin: ah, ok 19:45 < rxr> rxr: also most distributions will require a speical way to build the packages - so it is directly related ... 19:46 < Bevin> armijn: I'll most probably extend the sandbox as a basis for the new package manager which will do automatic dependency tracking 19:46 < armijn> rxr: why are you always talking to yourself? 19:46 < rxr> s/rxr:/clifford:/ 19:47 < armijn> bevin: you know, that's a *very* tricky subject 19:47 < Bevin> armijn: I know ! :-) 19:47 < rxr> armijn: because I task-switch too much ...) 19:47 < Bevin> armijn: but imho deps are way too fragile to handle manually 19:47 < armijn> bevin: a friend is doing a PhD in that field...and he's a brainiac and he even has got many problems with it 19:47 < Bevin> armijn: out of experience I saw that most package writers tend to overlook them 19:48 < armijn> bevin: it's not an easy task... 19:48 < Bevin> armijn: might be interesting to get in touch with him 19:48 < armijn> bevin: I'd be happy to talk about this at a later time, but going home now :) 19:48 < armijn> need to do rock fixxxxxing 19:48 < Bevin> armijn: ok :-) I gotta help to cook dinner anyway ;-) 19:48 < Bevin> later 19:48 < armijn> cu 19:48 * armijn off 19:48 -!- Bevin is now known as BevinCooking 19:48 < armijn> bye all 19:48 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has quit ("ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet?") 19:50 < SMP> hmmm, cooking. 19:57 < fake> brb 19:59 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit ("leaving") 20:00 <@clifford> rxr: yes - that's pretty dirty. That's why I didn't write any code for this so far... 20:02 < rxr> clifford: I would think of a target as one target-distribution which generate some kind of image / files that can be used. So the generic, desktop (server?) target create the packages and an ISO and the install-disk targets (for example) create the floppy images ... 20:02 < rxr> clifford: the only onclear thing is, that the generic, ... targets need the install-disk target for the boot images 20:06 -!- BevinCooking is now known as Bevin 20:09 < fake> re 20:13 <@esden> re hi all 20:13 <@esden> ... 20:14 <@esden> ahh 20:14 <@esden> re fake 20:14 * -> esden reading scrollback 20:17 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD95250A8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:17 < tsa> hi 20:18 < rxr> SMP: have you a free minute? 20:19 < SMP> oh, back in a moment 20:20 < fake> finally tftpd works >_< 20:23 < fake> or not. 20:29 -!- thAlerim is now known as thalerim 20:30 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817CCA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 20:30 -!- wschlich_ [~wschlich@pD9E3E599.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:32 < fake> o_O 20:32 < aszlig> re 20:33 <@esden> k 20:34 <@esden> hmmm 20:34 < aszlig> jor? 20:34 <@esden> puhhh 20:35 < aszlig> esden: ? 20:35 <@esden> hacking rock >_< 20:38 -!- th [th@delta.boerde.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:41 < fake> hi th! 20:41 <@esden> hi th 20:41 < tsa> hi th 20:41 -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o esden] by esden 20:42 < esden> i feel bad with this op thing .... 20:42 * -> esden is not worthy an op ... 20:42 < tsa> esden: how come? do you expect getting kicked? ;-) 20:42 < tsa> ah 20:42 < snyke> lol 20:43 < esden> clifford is op worthy ... huebi ... or rxr .... but not me ... 20:44 < SMP> ok 20:45 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:45 < SMP> rxr: apart from my fish-fingers I'll be all your's now ;) 20:45 < tsa> hehe 20:45 < rxr> esden: huebi: all the rest could you please also clarify your points about the sf repository - I do not want to argue against it also on the mailing-list ... 20:46 < tsa> hehe....just read pjotr's mail to the list. 20:46 < tsa> anyway. sf cvs currently sucks because it's pretty unstructured. 20:47 < tsa> package/package is evil. 20:47 < esden> rxr: I will write an answer to pj mail ... 20:47 < tsa> the 1.5 tree is not used for recent development work and can therefore be considered obsolete. 20:47 < rxr> we had this here a few days ago - but Pjotr needs to get it ... 20:47 < rxr> ahh tnx! 20:48 < tsa> feel free to copy anything frm here into your mail. 20:49 -!- Bevin is now known as BevinEat 20:49 < tsa> if sf cvs is to be used in the future, it has to be restructured. 20:49 < fake> YES! 20:49 < tsa> i'd like to see a directory "rock-1.7" 20:49 < rxr> tsa: It would be very nice if you vould post this in a mail! I do not want to be the only one who contiuesly argue against it ... 20:49 < tsa> ..and not the package/package stuff. 20:50 -!- th_ [~th@pD9E47863.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:50 < fake> documentations are not very catholic. they tend to lie quite often ;) 20:53 < th_> args 20:54 < th_> bin ich hier ueber dip-t gerouted? 20:54 < th_> damn dann is eastlink down 20:55 < SMP> hoehoe 20:57 -!- th__ [th@delta.boerde.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:57 < th__> grummel grummel 20:59 -!- th_ [~th@pD9E47863.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:00 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit ("leaving") 21:00 < blindcoder> i hate lilo >_< 21:00 < fake> then use grub *g* 21:00 < fake> hi, btw 21:00 < tsa> hehe 21:00 < blindcoder> hi ;) 21:00 < tsa> hi ;) 21:01 < esden> re blindcoder 21:01 < aszlig> blindcoder: re ;) 21:02 * fake tunes in massive attack 21:02 < blindcoder> re esden 21:02 -!- th_ [~th@pD9E47863.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:03 < aszlig> fake: wuah, thats too soft :P 21:03 * blindcoder now recompiles tar and then recreates the complete ROCKLinux directory (ie: deleting and compiling) 21:03 * -> esden writing mail to pj 21:03 < fake> eexactly what i need, confronted to that high-speed indigo2 ;) 21:04 -!- th [th@delta.boerde.de] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: th_!~th@pD9E47863.dip.t-dialin.net))) 21:04 -!- th_ is now known as th 21:04 -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o clifford] by clifford 21:05 < SMP> oben^W@-ohne saison auf #rocklinux ;p 21:05 < tsa> hehe 21:05 < th> wie? 21:05 < fake> nani? 21:05 < th> ahh 21:06 < fake> lirc rulez :) 21:06 -!- th [~th@pD9E47863.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:07 < SMP> th__: need a shell? ;P 21:07 -!- th [~th@pD901445A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:07 < fake> <- cooking 21:08 -!- hackbard [~hackbard@pD9E0ABD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:11 < fake> how long may a 150 indigo2 need to compile rock? *g* 21:11 -!- th [~th@pD901445A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:11 < esden> a week @ fake 21:11 < esden> ? 21:11 < surprise> kennt jemand nen tool womit man bin datein entpacken kann? 21:11 < esden> ;-) 21:11 < tsa> surprise: bin? 21:11 < hackbard> re 21:11 < fake> maybe... compiling mindex under irix took about half an hour 21:12 < fake> surprise: just run em ;) 21:12 < surprise> hm 21:12 < esden> fake autsh .. 21:12 -!- th [~th@pD901445A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:12 < fake> chmod u+x filename.bin ; ./filename.bin 21:12 < hackbard> i bet he needs dd :) 21:13 < fake> not if we're talking about jdk ;) 21:13 < fake> esden so i guess about one month for stage 1 - 3 ;)) 21:13 -!- clifford is now known as clifford_away 21:15 < fake> damn. i'm out of dishes :)) 21:17 < SMP> washing up does wonders :p 21:17 -!- th [~th@pD901445A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("bad link") 21:17 < fake> what is washing? 21:18 < SMP> 'Abwasch' 21:18 -!- th__ [th@delta.boerde.de] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21:18 < fake> wenn ich sie auf den balkon stelle muss ich nur warten bis es regnet *g* 21:19 < SMP> problems with acif rain? *g* 21:19 < SMP> acid even 21:20 < fake> abwasch is was fuer maedchen. echt maenner waschen nicht ab. 21:20 < SMP> schon mal ein Maedchen gefragt, was sie davon haelt? 21:21 < inode> wow did you know this? : 21:21 < inode> Red Hat Linux Powers Credit Suisse First Boston's Massive Global Trading Architecture 21:22 < inode> thats a huge step for linux 21:22 < fake> SMP: why should I? I don't car ;P 21:22 < fake> care 21:22 < fake> inode: another server... i want linux on the desktop 21:23 < inode> its a step in the correct direction 21:24 < fake> sure ;) 21:24 < inode> i was just compairing the stock prices of sun and hr thats how i found that out. 21:24 -!- surprise is now known as surprised 21:24 < inode> damn sun is dirt cheap 21:27 < tsa> rxr: g3GJhpR21812 Message accepted for delivery 21:27 < tsa> mail's been sent. 21:28 -!- BevinEat [~gbevin@213-193-176-221.adsl.easynet.be] has quit ("Client Exiting") 21:29 < rxr> tsa: ,> 21:29 < tsa> uh...was that geert bevin? 21:30 < tsa> i thought he was with gentoo now.. 21:30 < SMP> sure 21:30 < SMP> not quite anymore. but does that disqualify him from access to #rocklinux? ;) 21:30 < term_aweh> good night 21:30 -!- term_aweh [~pm@beaufort.wyzant.de] has quit ("zz") 21:31 < tsa> SMP: no, sure it doesn't. i've just been wondering.. 21:31 -!- blindcoder [crash@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit ("[BX] Wouldn't it be great if the dog could walk itself?") 21:31 -!- blindcoder [crash@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 21:35 < thalerim> crash 21:35 < thalerim> Cr45H 0vErR1dE 21:35 < thalerim> :) 21:35 < aszlig> hehe 21:35 < aszlig> :) 21:36 < blindcoder> hai... hai... 21:36 < fake> blindcoder: i watched the last ep Onegai Teacher yesterday 21:37 < blindcoder> cool 21:37 < fake> it's so... sugoi ;) 21:37 < tsa> blindcoder: Wooooooo? 21:37 < fake> i like the very last pics best 21:37 < blindcoder> but I found it bad that he was with the Teacher and not his classmate in the end 21:37 < fake> the face of his 'parents' as they tell them they wanna marry all of a sudden ;) 21:37 < esden> mail sent .... 21:37 < blindcoder> *lol* 21:37 < fake> like O-O 21:38 < blindcoder> esden> i think I just figured out how to move packages from ext to base ;) 21:38 < blindcoder> O.O x.x O.O 21:38 < fake> bc: that classmate was not as sexy as Mizuho *g* 21:38 < blindcoder> sure... but i think it's... just wrong somehow... 21:39 < tsa> blindcoder: hm..send a mail to the list and point out that your package is really important so someone will move it? ;) 21:39 -!- th [~th@pD901445A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:39 < blindcoder> tsa> I just think vim should be in base and not in ext ;) and I'll insert some things so it matches my needs (blackbox, icewm and nethack ;) 21:40 < th> blindcoder: vim in base? i don't think so 21:40 < blindcoder> th: nvi in base? i don't think so ;) 21:40 < tsa> vim? why? 21:41 < esden> th: i also would like to have vim in base ... as a choosable alternative nvi ... 21:41 < th> blindcoder: hmmm. i really prefer vim. but... hmmm 21:41 < th> well... even galeon is in the base 21:41 < th> (as of 1.5.14) 21:42 < esden> always the first thing i do when i install rock is replacing nvi with vim ... 21:42 < thalerim> nvi sucks 21:42 < th> yes it does 21:42 < esden> thalerim: ack 21:42 < thalerim> it sucks more than sucking 21:42 < thalerim> finally it sucks 21:43 < thalerim> naja 21:43 < thalerim> immer noch besser als ein pico clone *rotfl* 21:43 < th> jo 21:43 < tsa> hm....the ML is slooow....just recieved the mail i sent 20 minutes ago.. 21:45 < SMP> sheesh, dialup is so retarded. three minutes plus to transfer only a megabyte 21:46 < fake> buschtrommelverbdindung 21:46 < fake> mitmeisselgeschwinmdigkeit 21:46 < thalerim> buschtrommel.. wtf? 21:47 < fake> bongo-(stille)-bongobongo... 21:47 < fake> 1 0 11.. 21:47 < thalerim> ? 21:48 < esden> dot 21:48 < fake> dit-dow ;) 21:49 < esden> dit dit daw daw 21:49 < SMP> g'night 21:50 < fake> o yasumi! 21:50 < esden> ahhh my mail arrived ... !!! 21:50 < esden> n8 SMP 21:50 < fake> mail to yourself? 21:50 < tsa> cu SMP 21:51 < esden> no to the rocklinux mailinglist .. I am shiverring ... 21:51 < esden> i am afraid that I get nasty flames back ... 21:51 < fake> note to myself: do not write notes to yourself anymore! 21:52 < esden> loool 21:52 < fake> note to myself: for a reason see next note. *g* 21:52 < esden> I am doing this note thing all the time ... ;-) 21:52 < esden> that is the best way to store notes ... 21:54 < tsa> th, rxr: you're maintainers for the vim package....what do you think about --enable-rubyinterp ? 21:54 < th> tsa: i would have no problem withit 21:54 < tsa> you're already using perl and python, so why not ruby? 21:54 < th> tsa: i would have no problem with it 21:54 < rxr> thalerim: in 1.7 vim has two new build configs: (because I also only use vim) a) build X11-less vim and a second gvim binary and b) default vi sym-linking ;-) hehe 21:55 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 21:55 < tsa> rxr: i've just discoverd those.. 21:55 < rxr> tsa: does this need ruby? 21:55 * tsa rebuilding vim. 21:55 < thalerim> rxr: ewwwwww gvim 21:55 < tsa> rxr: i'm not sure. ruby is present on my system. 21:55 < th> tsa: so i will add ruby now for 1.5er tree 21:56 < tsa> ok.. 21:56 < tsa> == 04/16/02 21:57:01 =[9]=> Finished building package vim. 21:56 < thalerim> rxr: how to choose`? 21:56 < rxr> tsa: we would need to detect ruby (because I normally haven't it ;-) - maybe we should do this for perl and python tooo ...) 21:56 < tsa> thalerim: ./scripts/Config 21:56 < rxr> thalerim: ./scripts/Config 21:56 < rxr> ;-) 21:56 < tsa> hehe 21:57 < th> rxr: does the build fail if ruby is not present? 21:57 < rxr> I need the X11 less binary for server system where no Xlibs are present ... 21:57 < thalerim> ow i see 21:57 * -> esden needs a webcam to see if his parents are in bed 21:57 < thalerim> but this is a new feature added in the last weeks 21:57 < rxr> ith you specify --with-xyz the packages normally abort if it is not present ... 21:58 < tsa> rxr: Build seperate CML and GTK+ binary 21:58 < fake> esden *lol* 21:58 < tsa> what's CML? 21:58 < fake> attach a microphone to your router and install it... *g* 21:58 < rxr> CoMand Line 21:58 < tsa> aaaaaaah! 21:58 < rxr> what? 21:58 < esden> fake: hmm good idea .. I will do it ... 21:58 < fake> command line *rofl* 21:59 < esden> streaming mp3 ;-) 21:59 < thalerim> rxr: when i built vim, the vim.conf was a transled old *.ext file 21:59 < thalerim> translated 21:59 < rxr> what is the proper abbreviation for command-line??? 22:00 < thalerim> cmd 22:00 < fake> shell ? 22:00 < th> cmd 22:00 < tsa> i have absolutely no idea. 22:00 < thalerim> <- quicker 22:00 < thalerim> :P, th 22:00 < th> ;) 22:00 < th> my link is quite slow 22:00 < rxr> cmd -> command; and what is command-line? ;-) 22:00 < th> cmd_ 22:00 < fake> shell! 22:00 < th> ;> 22:01 < th> what's that line anyways? 22:01 < th> a line of commands? 22:01 < rxr> god question? ,-) 22:01 < th> it's just a command 22:01 < thalerim> rxr: yeah, cmdline 22:01 < rxr> feel free to patch a better desc into it ... 22:01 < thalerim> it the short form 22:01 < thalerim> *is 22:02 < tsa> i had wondered because CML has a different means.. 22:02 < rxr> which meaning? some drug? hehe ... 22:02 < tsa> no 22:03 < tsa> Configuration Menu Language 22:03 < tsa> https://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/cml2/ 22:03 < thalerim> g00gled :P 22:03 < rxr> oh ok - know this one 22:04 < rxr> Chemical Markup Language (CML) 22:04 < rxr> ;-) 22:04 < thalerim> l.a.m.e.r. 22:04 < thalerim> -> lokaler admin mit enormen rechten[tm] 22:05 < rxr> https://www.spack.org/words/commandline.html 22:05 < rxr> but there is no abbreviation ... 22:05 < thalerim> cmline! 22:05 < thalerim> cmdline! 22:06 < fake> ... 22:06 < fake> it's the shell 22:06 < fake> *g* 22:06 < thalerim> nope 22:07 < thalerim> hm 22:07 < fake> command line reminds me of command.,com *oerks* 22:07 < thalerim> hrhr 22:07 < fake> command.com, command.de, command.org ? ;-) 22:07 * tsa wants a "[ ] Build damn f****** text-mode binary only"-option! 22:07 < rxr> fake: this this not command line; this is a single command continously crashing ... 22:08 < rxr> tsa: huh? 22:08 < tsa> fake: a co-worker had "evil.is.at.my.command.cx" for some time... 22:08 < fake> it must not be text-mode. it may be on a framebuffer or svgalib enables shell *g* 22:08 < tsa> rxr: i've just discovered the gvim binary. 22:08 < rxr> tsa: The first time in your live? 22:08 < fake> enabled 22:09 < tsa> rxr: yes. 22:09 < rxr> oh 22:09 < tsa> This is crap. 22:09 < rxr> But it not that bad - I use it often for larger files ... 22:09 -!- wschlich_ [~wschlich@p5081562D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:10 < fake> how about non-X ? 22:10 < rxr> tsa: btw: a KDE3 kpart version of vim has reach the first stable release. You can use kVim in every kparts based app, like konqui, kmail, kdevelop ... (although for the later onces kvim needs still fixing ...) 22:10 < fake> *pukes* 22:10 * tsa too. 22:10 < thalerim> 2 22:10 < rxr> tsa: three options? for one tiny editor? ;-) 22:11 < fake> tiny? 22:11 < esden> *repuke* 22:11 < tsa> rxr: hey, it's __the__ editor! 22:11 < fake> regular-expressions with sub-pattern-match and... 22:11 < fake> ...able to edit 8 GB files? (tested) 22:11 < rxr> tsa: It is ONE of the TWO editors!!! 22:11 < tsa> rxr: hehe 22:11 < fake> the other one is notepad.exe *g* 22:11 < rxr> tsa: ???? 22:12 < netcrow> hehe 22:12 < thalerim> 8GB files? 22:12 < rxr> tsa: I everytime get a invaild elf-header when I try to run it ... 22:12 < fake> o'course 22:12 < thalerim> how much memory you need then? 22:12 < tsa> rxr: vim 6.1? built without problems here.. 22:13 < rxr> anyway - i think three options is too much! If we get three options per package noone will be able to get though them ... 22:13 < fake> this box had 256 Megs. But there was a web-server and a mysql db, a directory server and a few java processes eating about 200 Megs ;) 22:13 < thalerim> the editor had no puffering? 22:14 < netcrow> so ich geh jetzt baden :) 22:14 < fake> of course, but he's not stupid enough to try to buffer 8 gigs ;) 22:14 < fake> viel spass netti ^^ 22:14 < rxr> rxr: Yes vim-6.1 also runns here, fine. I was talking about invaild elf-headers in notepad.exe ... 22:14 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit ("leaving") 22:14 < tsa> rxr: how does it feel talking to youself? 22:14 * tsa laughs.. 22:14 * fake too 22:14 < thalerim> fake: hm.. what does it do exactly then? 22:15 < fake> buffer part of it? 22:15 < rxr> tsa: wenn man hir auch stundenlang ueber nen editor diskutieren muss ... 22:15 < thalerim> fake: erm 22:15 < thalerim> lol 22:15 < thalerim> got a head shot 22:15 < tsa> rxr: hehe.....haben wir dich verwirrt? ;) 22:15 < rxr> no - but maybe your - thinking vim causes invaild elf headers ... hehe 22:16 < fake> elf2ecoff vim ; ./vim ? 22:16 < thalerim> fake: me was so impressed not to be able thinkin further ;) 22:17 < snyke> hi fake 22:17 < esden> beautiful command line : 22:17 < fake> thalerim: :) 22:17 < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/rock-src-1.7.0-DEV-200204161451# ./scripts/Create-Diff -editor vi ../rock-src-1.7.0-DEV-200204111353 . 22:17 < fake> hi snyke! 22:18 < fake> command line? what's the abbreviation for that? *ducks* 22:18 < thalerim> fake: but then it's nothing distinctive/special to edit big files.. :) 22:19 < fake> thalerim: ever tried to edit something big with nvi? 22:19 < fake> let's say _huge_ ;) 22:19 < thalerim> nvi is no editor 22:19 < thalerim> nvi = no vi(m) 22:19 < rxr> tsa: btw: You might desire to build a X11-tyfied vim by default to see the filename you're currently editing in the xterm title ... 22:19 < thalerim> :D 22:20 < tsa> rxr: hm... i can live without xterm titles... 22:21 < rxr> Only a few days ago I did rm /usr/bin/vim ; ln -s /usr/bin/gvim /usr/bin/vim because 7 xterm running vim were slightly confusing ... 22:21 < fake> you can do window splitting with the normal vim 22:21 < snyke> n8 ppl! 22:21 < fake> nacht snyke 22:22 < snyke> <-- writes a test tomorrow :) 22:22 < fake> good luck! 22:22 < snyke> thx! 22:22 < tsa> perhaps we should change the build system to autocanf/automake .. ;) 22:22 < thalerim> good look either 22:22 < tsa> $ ./configure --text-vi-only-please --do-we-need-kde --no-we-dont --NLS-sucks 22:22 < snyke> mhm 22:22 < tsa> just kidding.. 22:22 < snyke> ~goaway~ 22:22 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A75.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ("[BX] Dr. Kavorkian is DYING to use BitchX. Aren't you?") 22:22 < fake> --maybe-i-want-err --letme-think --damn-i-forgot ? 22:23 < tsa> jupp.. 22:23 * blindcoder going to bed... needs some sleep... kicks his PC for good-bye ;) 22:23 < fake> and --help prints put 50 pages of random characters after the options litisting *g* 22:23 < fake> bye bc! 22:23 < tsa> there was a program checking for beer in the fridge but i don't remember which one it was.. 22:23 < blindcoder> baibai 22:24 < fake> some enlightenment 22:24 < thalerim> --this-is-a-option-withput-any-function-just-being-there-to-fill-the-list 22:24 < fake> eterm checks for live-signs in -lkenny 22:24 -!- praenti_fh_afk is now known as praenti 22:24 < praenti> re 22:24 < fake> E itself checks for ale in fridge, IIRC 22:24 < esden> muahaha 22:25 < tsa> hm.....we have no eterm package. 22:25 < praenti> esden: taugt die alpha was? 22:25 < fake> tsa that's why i saw the configure output ;) 22:25 < tsa> hehe 22:25 < esden> and if the test fails then it says that you should fill up your fridge 22:26 < esden> praenti: ja ... finde schon ... 22:26 < thalerim> cd src/emasc ; ./configure --install-as-fewest-as-possible # after compiling it has 500mb though 22:26 < fake> "tell your wife to go shopping" ;) 22:26 < praenti> esden: was schätzt du preislich? 22:26 < esden> ist vom pracessor so schnell wie meine pws 22:26 < esden> ich weiss net ... 22:26 < praenti> ungefähr 22:26 < esden> 300-400 eur ... 22:27 < fake> animenu rulez - animated OSD for lirc with transparency ;) 22:27 < esden> vielleicht weniger ... 22:27 < praenti> esden: soll ich lieber die nehmen anstatt der ultra5? 22:27 < praenti> da steht nämlich leider untested 22:27 < esden> praenti: musst du wissen ... 22:27 * fake will ne schnelle mips rk4X00 22:27 < tsa> checking for buckets_of_erogenous_nym... no 22:27 < esden> tja fake da tust dich schwer ... 22:28 -!- thalerim [~be@p50812C48.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ich kämpfe um den Frieden, indem ich nicht kämpfe. (I fight for peace by not fighting)") 22:28 < tsa> enlightenment.. 22:28 < praenti> esden: is aber so schwer ... 22:28 < fake> praenti> nimm die U5 22:28 < esden> praenti: entscheidungen sind immer schwer ... 22:28 < esden> nee nimm die alpha 22:28 < praenti> gruzamfix 22:28 < fake> SPARC-kompatible prozessoren werden wenigstens noch gebaut ;) 22:29 < esden> dann kannst mir beim porten helfen ;-) 22:29 < praenti> am liebsten würd ich ja beide nehmen 22:29 < fake> tus doch! 22:29 < rxr> praenti: if this saves me the U5 - and you would like to have an Alpha ... - would be nice ;-) 22:29 < esden> haha fake mache mich halt nieder .. :-(((( 22:29 < fake> esden sorry, but it's true. not my fault... or is it? 22:29 * fake - the alpha killer ? 22:30 < esden> looool 22:30 < rxr> alpha wird auch _nodh_ gebaut ... 22:30 < praenti> was is na cooler 22:30 < praenti> ? 22:30 < esden> nope ... you are remembering me the terrible truth @ fake 22:30 < fake> UltraSPARC 4 release is Aug this year IIRC 22:30 < fake> the specs, o'course 22:31 < rxr> praenti: You might checkout www.spec.org to compare the performance of the two boxes - should be quite similar ... 22:38 * fake wants a SunFire 15k -_- 22:41 < praenti> ok. ich werd erstmal die U5 nehmen. ob ich die alpha krieg entscheidet ripclaw und mein geldbeutel 22:49 < hackbard> esden: i have got some cool ideas .. (concerning ur mail) 22:50 < hackbard> if rock has something like rock-get (which installs packages, precompiled from a mirror) one could work on a kickstart installation, like debian does with FAI 22:50 < fake> rock-get *g* 22:50 < hackbard> :) 22:50 < rxr> hackbard: what does FAI ? 22:51 < hackbard> well, this schouldnt be as difficult if there is just a mirror with precompiled packages 22:51 < fake> do you have a server? 22:51 < hackbard> rxr: it automates the installation of debian 22:51 < hackbard> one moment .. 22:51 < hackbard> fake: me ? no :) 22:52 < fake> do want to pay for the traffic? *g* 22:52 < hackbard> sure! 22:52 < hackbard> :p 22:52 < hackbard> well, edonkey ! 22:52 < hackbard> :) 22:52 < esden> hackbard: write a mail ;-) 22:52 < fake> hehe 22:53 < fake> edonkey-get `get-ed2k-sum <package-name>` 22:53 < hackbard> hehe 22:53 < esden> even silly ideas are not as silly that you could not implement it ;-) 22:54 < fake> okay, go ahead ;) 22:54 < hackbard> rxr: https://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ 22:54 < esden> that was your idea so you implement it ;-) 22:55 < fake> okay, i'll start when i finished porting rock to mips so lets say in... about half an hour. 22:55 < fake> ;)) 22:55 < hackbard> haha 22:55 < esden> loool 22:55 < fake> aw, did i say hour? i ment decade ;) 22:56 < fake> okay, which is the fastest server to get the actual rock 1.5 source? 22:56 < hackbard> rxr: i am workin on fai at university. maybe if rock has sth like that, i may `ueberzeugen` him to use rock! :) 22:56 < fake> to convince 22:57 < hackbard> thanks. 23:00 -!- Mike1 [~mike@proxy.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 23:00 < Mike1> hi all 23:00 < rxr> hackbard: I also would like to see a fully funcional network installation in ROCK-2 23:00 < rxr> Hi 23:00 < Mike1> how are you rene 23:01 < rxr> good, thanks! You too? ;-) 23:01 < Mike1> ja 23:02 < esden> hi Mike1 ! 23:02 < Mike1> yo esden 23:02 < esden> rxr: that will come do not worry ;-) 23:02 * Mike1 installing splack on a Ultra 5 brb 23:03 < rxr> hehe 23:03 < rxr> In dRock this works mostly ... 23:04 < rxr> I even fixed a few bugs in the install_bin for the network install case ... - Has s.o. tried this with generic ROCK in the last time ? 23:05 < hackbard> hi Mike1 23:05 < praenti> hi Mike1 23:06 < praenti> esden: flying to Costa Rica and back costs ca. 700,- EUR 23:06 < huebi> re 23:06 < hackbard> rxr: no, but i did have some problesm with ncurses with 1.7 (gcc2.95 as a default) - build process was longer when building with 3.04 as a default 23:07 < rxr> hackbard: longer? More packages compiled - or the compiler was slower? 23:07 < hackbard> rxr: btw, do you want to change positions in ripclaws mail? 23:07 < hackbard> yes :) 23:07 < huebi> rxr: I never tried netinstall 23:07 < rxr> huebi: then 1.5 might have some bugs - fixed in dRock ... 23:07 < huebi> ok 23:07 < praenti> hackbard: why? money? 23:08 < hackbard> if you want, you can have the first one - i have not much time and my room is already fdull with hardware - but i take it if you dont! 23:08 < rxr> hackbard: ??? which one of the two possibilites I wrote? 23:08 < hackbard> praenti: no i have the money, its just, rene may do more rock development on it .. 23:09 < praenti> i want to wait to linuxtag. then we need no post ag 23:09 < praenti> so ripclaw have very much time 23:09 < hackbard> rxr: OH, didnt se that .. it compiled more packages 23:09 < rxr> Hm 23:10 < rxr> ;-) With the todays snap nearly all except KDE compiles ... 23:10 < hackbard> thjere are some undefined references to streambuf if i remember corectly 23:10 < hackbard> okay, i ll download and try later 23:10 < esden> autsh ... the init macros are .... havy !!! 23:12 < esden> praenti: cool ... when we do not have to pay more ... and mike/jonath[an] give us place to sleep ... it is menagable !!!! 23:12 < th> tsa: btw: vim-extension at sf-cvs had rubyinterp in it 23:12 < tsa> ok. 23:13 < tsa> thanks. 23:13 < rxr> th: maybe I removed some lines ... - we can readd it ... 23:14 < rxr> hackbard: did you offered the U5 to me or praenti? 23:14 < th> rxr: you changed something on huebi's cvs? 23:14 < rxr> th: NO! 23:14 < rxr> th: I thouhg you are talking about the sf cvs ... 23:14 < th> rxr: so you maintain 1.7er vim? 23:14 < th> confopt="$confopt --enable-cscope --enable-rubyinterp --enable-gui=gtk \ 23:14 < th> --enable-perlinterp \ 23:14 < th> --enable-pythoninterp" 23:14 < fake> esden> r u talking about linuxtag? 23:15 < rxr> rxr: I updated the 1.7 vim, yes. 23:15 < esden> nope costa rica ;-) 23:15 < fake> costa rica ?? 23:15 < th> th: so i will only maintain 1.5er and you the 1.7er 23:15 < esden> what is with linuxtag ? 23:15 < fake> i thought sleep -> linuxtag. 23:15 < fake> "place to sleep" i mean 23:16 < th> rxr: i cvs remove vim now at sf 23:16 < esden> fake: no ... i mean going visit jonath[an] and Mike1 23:16 < rxr> Mike1: The other question regarding the Utra5 is, do you really want Ripclaws one considering the expensive shipping cost to Costa Rica??? You must get one in Costa Rica for this price yourself ... 23:16 < rxr> th: but only the 1.5 one! - Or should I move the 1.7 one into my extra1 repository? 23:17 < th> package/ext-config 23:17 < th> /cvsroot/rock-package/package/ext-config/vim/vim.ext,v <-- vim.ext 23:17 < th> new revision: delete; previous revision: 1.8 23:20 < th> rxr: i don't know anything about 1.7er repositories 23:21 < rxr> they are in package/package/sourceforge 23:21 < hackbard> rxr: yeah 4<->5 23:21 < rxr> th: So I'll move the 1.7 vim from sourceforge into extra, too ... 23:21 < th> ok 23:22 < hackbard> ur one of the rock core developers, you should get one before i do :p 23:22 < Mike1> hi hackbard 23:22 < hackbard> yo miguel 23:22 < Mike1> rxr: i already tyold ripclaw that i wouldn't take it 23:23 < hackbard> there was someone on #elks waitin for you . 23:23 < hackbard> ahh, that means we could both get one :) 23:23 < Mike1> besides i just got my self an U5 over here, rigfht now i am installing Splack on it, 23:23 < hackbard> .. we both could .. 23:23 < rxr> Mike1: Ahh - ok. So there is one for you too ;-) 23:23 < Mike1> hopefully in a fe hours i will be building rock 23:23 < Mike1> rxr hehe 23:24 < Mike1> hackbard: thanks i will be there in a sec 23:24 < rxr> Mike1: Cool - so everyone is happy! 23:24 < Mike1> rxr yes 23:24 * rxr jumping arround 23:24 < hackbard> :) 23:24 * -> esden downloading -alt-dir 1.7 sources ;-) 23:25 < Mike1> i'm glad we made it work for all of us 23:25 < rxr> Mike1: and your Sparc should have beed much cheaper without the shipping costs ;-) ... 23:25 * -> esden needs currently an external scsi box for his alpha :-((( 23:25 < rxr> Mike1: How many Mhz has your's? 23:25 < Mike1> yup, a friend gave it to me for free 23:26 < Mike1> 270mhz 23:26 < rxr> Mike1: ohh! 23:26 < esden> the harddisks are too small :-( 23:26 < rxr> Just as Riplaws have ic 23:26 < fake> esden: me has one - equipped with an 18 GB HD... 23:26 < Mike1> 256mb ram, 60gb hd 23:26 < Mike1> not mine :D 23:26 < rxr> Mike1: And what is your first impression regarding the performance? 23:26 < fake> for the indigo2 - sponsored by humanIT (unofficially *g*) 23:27 < Mike1> i certainly lioke it very much 23:27 < esden> fake: i am happy for you ... 23:27 < Mike1> still i have been working on it for like 30 minutes 23:27 < esden> *hanging-head* 23:27 < Mike1> its installing Splack at mnoment as i said before 23:27 < fake> esden jammer nich ;) 23:27 < esden> jaja ... 23:27 < Mike1> esden i read something about you comming here 23:28 < Mike1> wanna talk about it? 23:28 < esden> yes we thought with praenti to visit you in holidays ... ;-) 23:28 < Mike1> who is we? 23:28 < esden> but 700eur is pretty expensive ... 23:28 < esden> me and praenti 23:29 < Mike1> esden nice 23:29 < praenti> esden: is. i search for a cheaper fly 23:29 < esden> praenti: good ;-) 23:30 < praenti> have read it on www.reisen.de and i think i can be cheaper. must ask in a tourism-buro 23:30 * fake has never been on a plane 23:31 * praenti only on a sliding plane 23:31 < praenti> not sliding 23:31 < fake> gliding? 23:31 < praenti> mensch was heißt gleich wieder segeln 23:31 < praenti> yes 23:32 < esden> sail @ praenti 23:32 < fake> i knew what you ment anyway 23:32 < fake> sail nur aufm wasser esden 23:32 < fake> soweit ich weiss 23:32 < praenti> jenau 23:33 < esden> hmm me read that nifty new patch from clifford_away : https://www.rocklinux.org/sources/misc/linux/80-ext23fs-suiddir.patch 23:33 < esden> pretty cool thing .... 23:41 < Mike1> 700eur expensive i will have to pay more than 1000eur to go to 19c3 23:43 < esden> hmm ... 23:43 < esden> ok ... i go home ... cu 23:44 < fake> n8! 23:44 < esden> Mike1: that is even more expensive ... 23:44 < esden> cu 23:45 < fake> <--- watching anime, as the compile started 23:45 < fake> *waves* 23:45 -!- Mike1 [~mike@proxy.informatica.co.cr] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23:48 * praenti wrote his first mail on linux-kernel. but was a very silly untechnical mail 23:48 < praenti> only to help... 23:53 * praenti going to bed 23:53 < praenti> gn8 23:53 -!- praenti is now known as praenti_ZzZz 23:57 * huebi is burning splack --- Log closed Wed Apr 17 00:00:16 2002