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00:00 < huebi> tsa wants to have big trouble ;)
00:00 < esden> tsa: I mark his nick as bot ;-)
00:00 < tsa> esden: that sounds reasonable ;)
00:00 < esden> lool
00:00 < huebi> tsa: why?
00:01 < tsa> huebi: we're already considering replacing you with a bot here which fills up your stats for you so you can do more rock linux work ;)
00:02 < esden> ohhh der war hart ....
00:02 < tsa> *lach*
00:02 < huebi> good idea ;)
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00:08 < esden> re
00:09 < esden> grr ... I have done something wrong ...
00:09 < huebi> esden: What do you mean?
00:09 < tsa> you installed SuSE?
00:09 < tsa> ;)
00:11 < esden> nothing ... I nearly deleted the irc logs >_<
00:12 < esden> I have to do backups
00:12 < esden> every second
00:13 < esden> but now all should be ok
00:13 < esden> I read my mail ... answer stuff and go to bed ...
00:21 * praenti going to bed
00:21 < praenti> gn8
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00:29 < esden> aaaaarrrggghh rofl !!!!!
00:29 < esden> abkack
00:29 < esden> kringel
00:29 < esden> der fake ist cool
00:30 < esden> alo der macht an dem MIPS port weiter ...
00:30 < esden> gott sei dank !!!!
00:30 < huebi> schoen
00:30 < esden> ja sicher !!!
00:30 < esden> ich zitier mal was : 
00:31 < esden> > So, please, help us, we need more architectures and definitely an
00:31 < esden> > architecture like MIPS, that is more evil than alpha and sparc combined...
00:31 < esden> .... and as useless as linux on the gameboy. But what the hell ... that
00:31 < esden> bitch WILL work. Your argumentation should have been: If debian can do it -
00:31 < esden> we can master it ! *g*
00:32 < esden> soo zitat ende
00:32 < esden> huebi: was sagst ?
00:33 < huebi> finde ich gut. Der wird das schon schaukeln.
00:34 < esden> ja dessen bin ich mir sicher
00:34 < esden> der macht alles was physikalysh mueglich ist
00:34 < esden> also in dem fall geht es um software
00:35 < esden> also kaum physikalische grenzen
00:35 < esden> also er schafft es ;-)
00:35 < esden> soo laptop einpack
00:35 < huebi> sclaf gut esden
00:36 < esden> ja noch 8 minuten ...
00:47 < esden> n8
00:47 < huebi> nacht esden
00:52 < hackbard> good night 
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00:53 < Mike1> re
00:53 < Mike1> esden you here?
00:54 < huebi> Mike1: esden went to sleep 22 min ago
00:54 < Mike1> damn
00:54 < Mike1> how are you huebi 
00:55 < huebi> Mike1: the U5 did arive today
00:55 < Mike1> huebi do they look ok?
00:55 < Mike1> huebi are you with ripclaw right now?
00:56 < esden> re
00:56 < esden> Mike1: what do you need
00:56 < esden> I wanted to go to bed
00:56 < huebi> they look perfect. They have been used as a server or something like that. They are clean and scratch free
00:56 < Mike1> huebi excellent
00:56 < esden> but saw you in the logs ;-)
00:56 < Mike1> re esden great to see you are back
00:56 < Mike1> haha
00:57 < Mike1> i'm startin got love the logs
00:57 < esden> yea ;-)
00:57 < Mike1> esden i'm doing a personal project with a friend of mine
00:57 < Mike1> and we need to creat a binary script
00:57 < esden> I have to show the last lines on my lcd display
00:57 < Mike1> eg. the Install.bin script for rock linux
00:57 < esden> binary script ?
00:58 < Mike1> but i certainly don't know how to create binarys
00:58 < esden> hmm ...
00:58 < esden> write c code and compile thom ...
00:58 < Mike1> could you tell me where to get info on how to do it or any software or whatever
00:58 < esden> write c code and compile it ... with gcc
00:59 < tsa> ok, i'm going to sleep, have to get up early. cu tomorrow..
00:59 < Mike1> is it the only way?
00:59 < Mike1> bye tsa 
00:59 < tsa> cu Mike1
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00:59 < esden> hmm   ...    buy a book about c ... I think that it ti the easyest way
00:59 < Mike1> huebi i asked if u were with ripclaw just because i must get to talk to h9im
01:00 < Mike1> esden ok thanks
01:00 < huebi> no, heis at home. But what do you want to tell him?
01:00 < esden> you can also write in pascal or basic or whatever and create binarys
01:00 < huebi> Mike1: Or send him a mail.,
01:01 < esden> ok so I go bed too
01:01 < esden> cu all
01:01 < esden> i have 5,5 h to sleep
01:01 < huebi> Mike1: when are you back here?
01:01 < esden> n8
01:01 < Mike1> n8 esden 
01:01 < Mike1> huebi i just had some questions regarding the U5 bussiness 
01:01 < Mike1> its ok
01:02 < Mike1> huebi i will be back tomorrow hopefully by 10 am my time
01:02 < Mike1> which is more or less 5pm ur time
01:03 < huebi> 6pm. We now have summer time MEST
01:03 < Mike1> ok
01:03 < huebi> Mike1: I call him and tell him.
01:04 < Mike1> thank you huebi 
01:04 < huebi> installation of Slowlaris is finished
01:04 < Mike1> Solaris8?
01:04 < huebi> jo
01:04 < Mike1> nice
01:05 < huebi> I want to upgrate the OBP.
01:05 < Mike1> would you rather to use Solaris or Linux on a U5 for production?
01:06 < huebi> Linux. On bigger machines with more than 8 CPU's Solaris. But it also depends on the used software.
01:07 < huebi> i BETTER LIKE TO HAVE THE SAME SYSTEM ON ALL MACHINES.
01:07 < Mike1> yeah
01:07 < Mike1> what linux distro would you recomend?
01:07 < Mike1> besides rock
01:08 < huebi> I dream about Rocklinux and OpenOffice on the U5
01:08 < Mike1> hehe yeah tha sounds nice
01:09 < huebi> I used Mandrake before I found Rock. But now Mandrake is very broken. 
01:09 < Mike1> Mandrake and i don't get along well at all
01:09 < Mike1> Splack?
01:09 < huebi> Never tried splack
01:10 < Mike1> same as slackware
01:10 < Mike1> just that i runs on sparc
01:10 < huebi> But I do it on sparc for the rock build
01:10 < Mike1> i see
01:11 < Mike1> ok huebi thanks a lot for your time
01:11 < Mike1> i now have to go
01:11 * Mike1 has a date
01:11 < Mike1> cu
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01:27 < jonath[an]> re
01:27 < jonath[an]> bye
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01:34 < fake666> *cries*
01:35 < fake666> Onegai Teacher is sooo sweet *snueff*
01:35 < fake666> <-- *chrr*
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04:33 < inode> .
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06:06 < jonath[an]> re
06:06 < jonath[an]> bye
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07:05 < inode> only 4 errors so far:
07:05 < inode> dist/var/adm/logs/3-libsafe.err  dist/var/adm/logs/3-ncftp.err
07:05 < inode> dist/var/adm/logs/3-lprng.err    dist/var/adm/logs/3-whois.err
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07:51 < praenti_fh> moin
07:51 < inode> fuq i give up
07:51 < praenti_fh> inode: why?
07:51 < inode> i cant get the damn thing compiled
07:53 < praenti_fh> do you have read the compile error?
07:53 < term_emu> hi
07:53 < praenti_fh> btw. what gcc version do you have
07:54 < inode> hell this time the error is with uncompressing a file the script (where ever it is) is using tar zxf insted of tar jxf 
07:54 < inode> gcc-2.96-98
07:55 < praenti_fh> could be a problem
07:55 < praenti_fh> no. the right thing is tar xIf
07:56 < praenti_fh> can you check if this is working on your linux
07:56 < inode> hold on
07:56 < praenti_fh> for example debian have problems with that
07:56 < inode> no it want -j not -I
07:57 < inode> s/want/wants
07:58 < inode> from man tar:  Note: -I is dep-
07:58 < inode>               recated and may get a different meaning in the near
07:58 < inode>               future.
08:00 < praenti_fh> when unpack a tar.bz2 then you use I
08:00 < praenti_fh> that is the future meaning. if you have an old tar version then it could be a problem
08:01 < praenti_fh> what distribution do you use?
08:01 < inode> the man page says that -I id deprecated.... i.e. its no logner used
08:01 < inode> s/id/is
08:01 < praenti_fh> the man-page lies ;-)
08:02 < inode> :)
08:02 < praenti_fh> believe me
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08:02 < praenti_fh> more than 100 times used
08:03 < inode> well im unable to exstact a tbz2 with -I but am able to with -j
08:03 < inode> tar-1.13.19-6
08:04 < praenti_fh> than you dont use a standard tar. the problem is that most of the scripts in rocklinux uses I.
08:04 < praenti_fh> what distribution do you use
08:06 < inode> thats why im giving up.... it went through dozens of bz2 files but it cant get pass this one
08:07 < praenti_fh> inode: i need your distribution installed on your system
08:07 < inode> rh7.2 
08:08 < praenti_fh> ok. than it can be that your tar is patched, so it dont understand tar xIvf xxx.tar.bz2
08:08 < inode> oh and im trying 1.5.14
08:08 < praenti_fh> anoter thing in addition. you need to enable devfs otherwise the install-disk would not compile
08:08 < praenti_fh> but this is at the end
08:10 < praenti_fh> inode: if you have to many problems to compile. dont give up. download a rock-binary-iso and compile on that system.
08:11 < praenti_fh> because on rock you dont have any problems with base and opt. but ext-packages have often compile-errors
08:11 < praenti_fh> thats normal
08:11 < inode> well im going to be pressed for time in the next few weeks with finals and a few papers i need to write
08:12 < praenti_fh> inode: and if you want to see how we compile. read the script in ./scripts/*
08:12 < inode> this is part of the error i get:
08:12 < praenti_fh> s/script/scripts
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08:13 < inode> > Create subdist archive ...
08:13 < inode> > tar: WARNING: The "I" option is obsolete.
08:13 < inode> > If you're trying to use bzip2 (what "I" did in older releases of GNU ..
08:13 < inode> > use the "j" option.
08:13 < inode> > If you're trying to read filenames from a file (what some other impl ..
08:13 < inode> > use the "T" option.
08:13 < inode> >
08:13 < inode> > Assuming you meant "j".
08:16 < praenti_fh> thats strange. i've read the script through and we use --use-compress-program=bzip2 -xf
08:16 < praenti_fh> and that must run also with your version
08:17 < praenti_fh> what package said that to you?
08:18 < inode> can i make an install from stage 1 & 2 only???
08:18 < praenti_fh> inode: that would not run
08:18 < praenti_fh> you need stage 3
08:18 < inode> support-tools?  whats in there?
08:19 < praenti_fh> but this is the end
08:19 < praenti_fh> can you make a cat dist/var/adm/logs/3-ncftp.err?
08:19 < praenti_fh> and give me the output
08:20 < praenti_fh> because this is the error. the support-tools are uninteresting at the moment
08:21 < inode> dist is gone??/
08:21 < praenti_fh> is in your rock-tree
08:23 < inode> ./rock-intel-1.5.14/info/logs/3-libsafe.err
08:23 < inode> ./rock-intel-1.5.14/info/logs/3-ncftp.err
08:23 < inode> ./rock-intel-1.5.14/info/logs/3-lprng.err
08:23 < inode> ./rock-intel-1.5.14/info/logs/3-whois.err
08:23 < inode> ./rock-intel-1.5.14/info/logs/5-libsafe.err
08:23 < inode> ./rock-intel-1.5.14/info/logs/5-ncftp.err
08:23 < inode> ./rock-intel-1.5.14/info/logs/5-lprng.err
08:23 < inode> ./rock-intel-1.5.14/info/logs/5-whois.err
08:23 < inode> ./rock-intel-1.5.14/info/logs/s-rescue.err
08:23 < inode> ./rock-intel-1.5.14/info/logs/s-read-only.err
08:24 < praenti_fh> have you compiled without hanging on errors
08:24 < praenti_fh> ?
08:24 < inode> yes
08:24 < inode> i think
08:25 < praenti_fh> i dont like that. because the isos dont work
08:26 < praenti_fh> ok. give me then rock-intel-1.5.14/info/logs/3-ncftp.err
08:29 < inode> umm are you getting that file?
08:30 < praenti_fh> send it to praenti@bingo-ev.de
08:30 < inode> i'll dcc it to yah
08:30 < praenti_fh> because now i must go. and i want to check if this perhaps a problem of us
08:30 < huebi> Moep! moin
08:31 < inode> yo
08:31 < praenti_fh> later if esden is here, he can also help aou
08:31 < praenti_fh> moin huebi
08:31 < praenti_fh> or huebi ;-)
08:31 < praenti_fh> cya later
08:32 < inode> yeah both have been gracious with thier help
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08:33 < inode> huebi can i install with only stage 1 & 2 ???
08:34 < huebi> inode: no, you need stage 3 and a few of 4 and 5
08:34 < huebi> I have to  leave now. see you in 45 -60 min
08:35 < inode> l8r
08:35 < huebi> ;-)
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09:04 < esden> hi all
09:12 < esden> nothing going on here ???
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09:34 < fake666> ohayoooo
09:35 < esden> hi fake666 
09:35 < esden> i am currently answering your mail ... 
09:36 < esden> what is the abbrivate for Swedish ?
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09:38 < tsa> moin allerseits.
09:38 < esden> fake666: mail sent to the list ... you should get it in a moment ... ;-)
09:38 < esden> hi tsa 
09:38 < tsa> hi esden
09:39 < esden> hmm fake666 is not reacting :-((
09:39 < esden> *wait*
09:40 < tsa> hehe
09:41 < fake666> <-- asleep :)
09:41 < fake666> good morning esden
09:41 < fake666> how comes you're up that early?
09:42 < fake666> studying time again?
09:43 < tsa> hehe.
09:43 < esden> fake666: yepp ... i am finnaly at the uni ...
09:44 < esden> i have a lecture in 15 mins ..
09:44 < tsa> about?
09:44 < esden> maths .. :-(
09:44 < fake666> hehe
09:44 < fake666> have fun ;)
09:44 < esden> can someone tell me what the abbrivate for swedis is ?
09:45 < fake666> sw?
09:45 < esden> hmm can be ...
09:45 < tsa> .se ?
09:45 < tsa> maths suck.
09:45 < esden> tsa: sure ...
09:45 < esden> but I have to take it
09:45 < esden> cu l8ter
09:47 < fake666> cya
09:53 < tsa> esden: i know....i still have to do my maths exam, too..
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10:01 < rxr> moin
10:09 < huebi> moin rxr 
10:11 < huebi> toll, alle da ;)
10:17 < fake666> jop
10:17 < fake666> morschn rxr
10:17 < huebi> hi fake666 
10:22 < rxr> huebi: the spec cpu95 aren't that great for the u5 ...
10:22 < rxr> Ultra 5 Model 270                          9.17            7.50
10:23 < rxr> (fp) Ultra 5 Model 270                       10.6             8.93
10:24 < rxr> Intel DK440LX motherboard (300MH          11.6            11.6
10:25 < rxr> (fp) Intel Corporatio  Intel DK440LX motherboard (300MH       8.46            7.89
10:25 < rxr> :-(
10:28 < huebi> SPECint?
10:28 < huebi> ahh yes
10:29 < rxr> the line with (fp) is SPECfp95 - the other SPECint95 ...
10:29 < rxr> There were no SPEC2000 results - so I had to take the 95 ones :-(
10:32 < huebi> SPECint2000  Ultra 10 333MHz    133  
10:32 < huebi> Epox 8KHA+ Motherboard, AMD Athlon (TM) XP 1800+   648  671  
10:33 < huebi> The Athlon is >5 times faster
10:33 < huebi> U10 and U5 are the same except the case
10:37 < huebi> http://www.livingston.de/shop/shop.php/pt=pis/lk=de/sk=de?man=SUN+MICROSYSTEMS&sstr=Ultra+5&sall=1 
10:37 < huebi> http://www.livingston.de/content.php/lk=de/sk=de/did=itsales_detail_local.php/eid=406 <- normal price
10:37 < SMP> hmmm
10:37 < huebi> Moin SMP
10:37 < rxr> hi SMP
10:38 < fake666> hi SMP!
10:38 * SMP sent himself to sleep in /dev/bed since Sunday ..
10:39 < fake666> the common cold?
10:41 < SMP> not so common, a bit worse. I puked the hell out of myself ..
10:41 < fake666> aawww... poor smp...
10:43 < fake666> btw, who will be at LinuxTag this year?
10:43 * fake666 raises his hand ;)
10:43 * SMP 
10:44 * rxr too (hopefully)
10:44 * tsa /hopefully)
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10:47 < netcrow> hi
10:47 < rxr> sind wir da schon angemeldet?, Wo uebernachtet ihr so?
10:48 < fake666> <-- uebernachtet am stand *g*
10:48 < fake666> hi netti!
10:49 < netcrow> linuuxtag?
10:49 < fake666> ne, ich denk mal es wird wieder so ne turnhalle oder so geben wo man umsonst pennen kann
10:49 < huebi> <AOL> me too, me too </AOL> 
10:49 < rxr> fake666: Are you sure?? It is not CCC ... - Ah ok.
10:49 < SMP> fake666: das gab's die letzten Male jedenfalls nicht?!
10:50 < fake666> rxr: i was there last year... i knwo.
10:50 < netcrow> fake hat vor eine turnhalle zu bauen ;)
10:50 < fake666> smp> sischer... was meinst wo esden und ich gepennt haben?
10:50 < SMP> hmm
10:51 < fake666> smp> weiss ich noch ganz genau, die aufsicht von der uni war die ganze zeit bekifft  - war witzich ^
10:51 < tsa> hehe
10:51 < SMP> bear in mind that this year's LinuxTag will be in Kaiserslautern again, like until '99, not in Stuttgart
10:51 < tsa> hm....ich hab keine ahnung, wie interessant linux-tag fuer mich waere...aber zumindest koennte man dann mal gemeinsam einen trinken gehen ;-)
10:52 < huebi> tsa: da binich dabei
10:52 < tsa> huebi: fein ;)
10:52 < SMP> normalerweise bleibt fuer interessante Dinge keine Zeit :>
10:53 < fake666> smp got to know lolita last year ;)
10:53 < tsa> lolita? hm?
10:53 * SMP pets his laptop ;-}
10:53 < fake666> tsa: his hot little laptop ;)
10:53 < tsa> aaaah ;-)
10:54 < huebi> Sony "Lolita" Vaio
10:54 < fake666> SMP: maybe my employer'll pay for a hotel...
10:54 < fake666> i hope so. being employed has its advantages *g*
10:54 * SMP 's employer is going to pay his hotel for sure!
10:55 < SMP> being self-employed has its advantages *g*
10:55 < fake666> *grml*
10:56 < fake666> *argh
10:56 < fake666> damn iPlanet >_<
10:56 < huebi> fake666: hmm?
10:58 < fake666> iPlanet Directory Server 4.16 for Linux
10:58 < fake666> pain-in-the-ass-o-matic
10:59 < huebi> For Solaris too.
10:59 < fake666> it at least _installs_ correctly under Solaris
11:00 < fake666> for some reason it will never install under lesbian
11:00 < fake666> but it does under rock
11:01 < fake666> (what's perfectly fine with me *g*)
11:04 < SMP> hehehe
11:13 < fake666> aah
11:13 < fake666> much better
11:15 < tsa> libxml 2.4.20, libxslt 1.0.16 released (see freshmeat). maintainers currently present?
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11:17 < huebi> tsa: jo
11:18 < tsa> fein. baust die updates gleich rein? 
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11:18 < huebi> jo, und vim 6.1 auch
11:19 < huebi> und ich starte dann auch gleich mal einen neuen build. Mal sehen ob das dann auch noch alles geht.
11:19 < tsa> oki..
11:19 < hack^uni> hallo zusammen
11:20 < huebi> hi hackbard
11:27 < huebi> tsa: das ist eine groessere aktion. Das muss noch mal warten
11:27 < tsa> hm....
11:27 < tsa> ok.
11:28 < huebi> libxml ist bei 1.8.17 mit der 2er gibt es bestimmt viel zu tun..
11:32 < tsa> gab es da  nicht extra nen package libxml2 ?
11:33 < huebi> jo, ich sehe mir vorher aber lieber noch mal dRock an
11:33 < tsa> ok
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11:39 < netcrow> re
11:40 < fake666> roe
11:40 < huebi> hi netcrow 
11:48 < netcrow> hm, diese ruhe
11:49 < huebi> netcrow: pschhhht Stoere sie nicht ;)))
11:58 < netcrow> hm, ich probier jetzt mal diese komische irssi aus
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12:02 < tsa> bbl.
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12:02 < netcrow> hm, da is mir die config zu dumm
12:22 < esden> hi all
12:23 < esden> and re hi ;-(
12:23 < esden> argh
12:23 < esden> I can't type ...
12:23 < esden> hmm ..
12:23 < esden> ;-)
12:28 < esden> soso ...
12:29 < esden> ok mail an chatmaster raus @ netcrow && fake666 
12:40 * -> esden reading scrollback and loughing the hell out of himself
12:43 * -> esden requesting vim in rocklinux base ... as a alternative standard editor ... and icewm ....
12:43 < esden> ;-)
12:46 < huebi> esden: vim in opt is good. 
12:48 -!- praenti_fh_afk is now known as praenti_fh
12:48 < praenti_fh> re for 10 minutes
12:48 < netcrow> pranti is von der brotzeit zurück M(
12:48 < netcrow> ;-)
12:49 < esden> re praenti_fh 
12:49 < netcrow> btw: http://netcrow.by-infonet.de/traffic/
12:50 * praenti_fh is auch auf dem linuxtag
12:51 < praenti_fh> der ist übrigens in karlsruhe
12:51 < netcrow> und wnn is der?
12:51 < praenti_fh> und NICHT in kaiserslautern
12:51 * netcrow nimmt an pränti fährt mit eigenem auto ;-)
12:51 < praenti_fh> http://www.linuxtag.org/2002/deutsch/30.html
12:52 < praenti_fh> netti: recht hast du
12:52 < netcrow> wann isn der genau?=
12:52 < praenti_fh> rtfwp
12:55 < huebi> netcrow: http://netcrow.by-infonet.de/traffic/ <- was steckt denn da hinter
12:55 < fake666> *yawns*
12:55 < fake666> re hi esden
12:56 < fake666> hi praenti
12:56 < esden> dass ist traffic von apollo unserem server @ huebi 
12:56 < esden> re hi fake666 
12:56 < esden> wieso dass 666 fake ...
12:56 -!- fake666 is now known as fake
12:56 < fake> ;)
12:56 < praenti_fh> *g*
12:56 < esden> aso ...
12:56 < fake> gibts hier nickserv?
12:56 < huebi> esden: modifiziertes mrtg oder wie ist das sonst gemacht?
12:56 < esden> schon viel besser @ fake 
12:57 < praenti_fh> fake: jo. aber der tut nix soweit ich das gesehen hab. der hebt nur memos auf
12:57 < esden> huebi: frage netcrow der hat es aufgesetzt ... ist irgend so eine mysql/php loesung ...
12:57 * praenti_fh muss dann mal verwaltungskram erledigen. cya later
12:57 < esden> fake: ja gibt es ... 
12:57 < fake> brb
12:58 < fake> und wie funzt das nochmal?
12:58 -!- praenti_fh is now known as praenti_fh_afk
12:58 < fake> <--- irc-l8mer
12:58 < esden>   /msg nickserv help ;
12:58 < esden> -";"
12:58 < fake> *argh
12:58 < fake> BitchX: Auto-ignoring NickServ for 10 minutes [NOTICE flood]
12:58 < esden> ja ...
12:59 < esden>  /set floodprotection off
12:59 < esden> oder so
12:59 < fake> No such variable "FLOODPROTECTION"
12:59 < esden> mache um die variable rauszukriegen /set f
13:00 < fake> dann sagt er fake ;-)
13:00 < esden> hehe ...
13:00 < esden> mom ...
13:00 < esden>  /set SET FLOOD_PROTECT OFF
13:00 < esden> argh
13:00 < esden>  /SET FLOOD_PROTECT OFF
13:00 < esden> soo
13:01 < fake> tnx
13:01 < esden> bidde
13:01 < fake> kann ich das verdraten irgendwie? $FLOOD_PROTECTION auf OFF ?
13:01 < esden> ja ...
13:02 < esden> cat ^SET FLOOD_PROTECT OFF > ~/.bitchxrc
13:02 < fake> brb
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13:04 < fake> ah. much better.
13:05 < esden> fake: kannst meine nehmen ... liegt in meinem home ... oder nimm irssi ... ist eh viel besser als bitchx ... aber solltest dir ( http://de.irssi.org/?page=docs&doc=startup-HOWTO#c1 ) anschauen um den zu konfigurieren .. ist ne einmalige sache ... der merkt sich alles ... nicht so wie der bitchix den du zwingen musst damit der sich was merkt ....
13:05 < fake> jetzt muss ich nur noch rausfinden warum der sack cn=Events, cn=Usage Model, ou=DPS, o=humanit.de nicht mag
13:06 < netcrow> irssi hat ne scheiß config
13:06 < fake> esden> ich schreibe was und dann kann jemand anderes es lesen, mehr erwarte ich nicht ;)
13:06 < netcrow> find ich
13:06 < esden> netcrow: nicht wirklich ... du editierst die config auch nie per hand
13:07 < esden> sondern im irssi selbst ...
13:07 < netcrow> hm, ich depp habs per hand gemacht..*g*
13:07 < esden> es ist einfacher als dass verspulte .bitchxrc
13:07 < esden> ja wie gesagt http://de.irssi.org/?page=docs&doc=startup-HOWTO#c1 lesen !!!!
13:08 < esden> dass erleichtert dass leben immens ... ich verstehe nicht wieso niemand die dokus liest ... dass macht dass leben so viel einfacher ... 
13:09 < huebi> esden: Damit Du sagen kannst: RTFM!
13:09 < esden> wenn man die dokus schreibt liest die niemand ... wenn man die nicht schreibt dass regen sich die leute auf dass es die nicht gibt ... dass ist echt frustrierend >_<
13:10 < fake> life sucks.
13:10 < fake> que sera, sera..
13:10 < esden> fake: da stimme ich dir voll und ganz zu ... :-(
13:10 < fake> what ever will be will be... *sing* *schunkel*
13:10 < huebi> esden: Bei Windows muss man nicht lesen, nur klicken. ;>
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13:14 < esden> uii ich glaube der netti hat sich jetzt angegriffen gefuehlt >_< dass wollte ich nicht ... :-(
13:14 < fake> hey, wer kennt sich mit QNX aus?
13:14 < fake> 6.1
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13:20 < netcrow> test
13:20 < fake> retest
13:20 < esden> fake: ich habe mal die demo diskette ausprobiert ... ich wurde wirklich ueberrascht ... aber dass wars auch ... tut mir leid 
13:20 < esden> netcrow: retest ;-)
13:21 < fake> esden: die 6.1er full-cd kannste runterladen
13:21 < fake> is echt geil
13:21 < fake> nur spinnt er bei meiner ext2 voll rum
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13:22 < freed> hi @ll
13:22 < netcrow> hi
13:22 < fake> hi
13:23 < freed> ach doch jemand da ;)
13:23 < netcrow> immer doch ;)
13:23 < freed> wo finde ich denn ein rocklinux iso?
13:24 < freed> rxr biste hier?
13:25 < huebi> freed: was hast Du fuer eine Netzanbindung?
13:25 < freed> wieso? kommt drauf an
13:25 < esden> arrrrrrggggghhhh ... I hate them .. sorry I can not help me ... I hate them >_< : http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/04/15/1454240&mode=nocomment&tid=167
13:25 < hack^uni> konzentrat.tfh-berlin.de <- ich wette dieis schnell :)
13:25 < freed> hehe genau
13:26 < freed> ansonsten dsl
13:26 < huebi> freed: Die Netzkapazitaet fuer diesen Monat vom mirror ist verbraucht. Deshalb biete ich Dir einen Upload an. Sag nur wohin
13:27 < freed> mmh mom
13:27 < huebi> scp oder ftp
13:27 < huebi> lieber  scp
13:27 < freed> mal mit rxr reden vielleicht können wir die isos ja auch auf unseren rechner hosten
13:28 < esden> huebi: soll ich auf meinem dsl auch einen mirror machen ? was glaubst du ?
13:28 < hack^uni> esden: wuerde ich ncht
13:28 < freed> mom mach mal ein rocklinux-acc
13:28 < hack^uni> nur fuer die scripts evtl
13:28 < esden> hack^uni: hmm ... hast recht ...
13:28 < huebi> Das ISO-Saugen ist vieel zu heftig. Du kannst dann nichts mehr machen.
13:29 < esden> ajj ich wollte noch lrz besuch abstatten ... 
13:29 < netcrow> wer saugt schon gern mit 16 kb/s
13:29 < fake> QoS ?
13:29 < hack^uni> hi fake
13:29 < fake> hai
13:29 < hack^uni> bist du der indy fake?
13:29 < huebi> netcrow: -> 20h DL-Zeit
13:29 < fake> .... *rauesper* ... wieso?
13:29 < esden> ich lese slashdot fertig und dann gehe ich rueber ....
13:30 < hack^uni> ichhatte dir mal gemailt, du kanntest mich nimmer ! :p
13:30 < netcrow> man sollte rock doch mal bei linuxiso.org oder so mirrorn
13:30 < hack^uni> habe sone cyber910 bekommen
13:30 < huebi> netcrow: http://netcrow.by-infonet.de/traffic/ <- was steckt denn da hinter? *auchhabenwill*
13:30 < netcrow> huebi: einfaches mysql und php *g*
13:30 < fake> oh, das is ne little endian, oder? also mispel, right?
13:30 < esden> netcrow: ich habe die auch schon angeschrieben ... aber die antworten ..
13:30 < esden> nicht 
13:30 < esden> ich schreibe heute abend denen ne mail ...
13:30 < fake> ich dachte linuxiso linkt nur auf die mirrors der distris?
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13:30 < netcrow> huebi: http://ifmonitor.preteritoimperfeito.com/
13:30 < bluefire> mon
13:31 < hack^uni> fake: dunno, aber sonen vorcompileten mips kernel wollte sie nicht :(
13:31 < hack^uni> ich probier da mal heuet abend evtl weietr rum, is nur immer dumm mit zeit!
13:31 < huebi> danke netcrow 
13:31 < fake> hack^uni: inwiefern "wollte nicht" ?
13:31 < esden> fake: ja .. ein link waehre aber trotzdem toll
13:31 < netcrow> ach huebi, irgend so ein daemon läuft da auchnoch dazu...der was im /proc wurschtelt
13:31 < netcrow> glaub ich
13:31 < hack^uni> puh, ich schmeiss es heute abend an, dann erinner ich mich wieder ...
13:31 < esden> huebi: weisst wieviel traffic so ein mirror braucht ?
13:31 < hack^uni> :)
13:31 < fake> okeeee ;)
13:32 < fake> ich habs
13:32 < fake> der beste iso-mirror ist immernoch: eDonkey!
13:32 < hack^uni> haha :)
13:32 < huebi> SMP hat in den ersten 9 Tagen 20GB gehabt. Er war wirklich nicht begeistert.
13:32 < fake> wir lassen distributed donkeys laufen und bieten nur den ed2k:// link auf die isos an
13:32 < fake> so können alle develer ihre DSL flatrate nutzen
13:32 < fake> (oder so)
13:32 < fake> und keiner hat übermässig viel
13:33 < huebi> fake: wie geht das?
13:33 < esden> fake: wenn sorcerer auf linuxiso ist ... dann muessen wir auch da hin ...
13:33 < hack^uni> gute idee, bei dem experiment bin ich dabei!
13:33 < fake> huebi: kennst du eDonkey
13:33 < hack^uni> esden: das stimmt auch wieder.
13:33 < huebi> fake: Nee, noch nie gehoert
13:33 < freed> so kann losgehen
13:35 < fake> huebi: geiles filesharing, kriegst so gut wie alles ;)
13:35 < fake> das prinzip: du ziehst mehrere teile gleichzeitig von verschiedenen leuten.
13:35 < fake> wenn er alles hat setzt er es zusammen.
13:35 < esden> soo ...
13:35 < esden> ich gehe lrz
13:36 < fake> während du ziehst ist das was du schon gezogen hast automatisch geshared
13:36 < esden> cu bis spaeter
13:36 < fake> das heisst schnelle verteilung und gleichmässig auslastung
13:36 < fake> nur dummerweise isses closed source ;)
13:36 < fake> cu esden!
13:39 < esden> huebi !!! wo liegt 1.5.14 ????
13:39 < esden> ich finde es nicht auf download.rocklinux.de
13:39 < esden> ist es bei dir daheim ???
13:39 < huebi> http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/snapshots/rock-src-1.5.14.tar.bz2
13:40 < esden> ahh ich habe es
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13:41 < esden> huebi: solltest auch auf download.rocklinux.de drauftun
13:42 < huebi> esden: kommt noch. Ich brauche jetzt erst mal MySQL und PHP und Apache und phpgroupware
13:43 < fake> huebi: www.rpmfind.com *GGG*
13:43 * huebi sucht die Mandrake 8.2 CDs
13:44 < huebi> hehe Mandrake kann rpm
13:44 < huebi> rock gluecklicherweise nicht.
13:44 < fake> hm, kommt drauf an wie du koennen definierst ;)
13:45 < esden> huebi: kuennen schon .. also dass programm rpm ist bei rock dabei ....
13:46 < esden> soo ich habe jetzt alles was ich brauche
13:46 < esden> jetzt gehe ich ...
13:46 < esden> cu l8ter
13:46 < fake> ciao
13:46 < huebi> fake: Mit alleeS und Scharf und Zimt und rpms suchen und aergern und blaaa....
13:46 < huebi> cu esden 
13:48 < fake> mit extra viel scharf.
13:48 < fake> ;)
13:48 < fake> srpm - scharf rpm
13:49 < huebi> fake: damit es auch wirklich zweimal brennt ;)
13:51 < hack^uni> later ..
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13:58 < fake> *phew* i did it.... jetzt bin ich beruhigt :)
13:58 < fake> scheiss java/ldap/php/.. geficke
14:05 < netcrow> back
14:08 < fake> aw.
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15:08 < snyke> hi!
15:08 < netcrow> hi
15:08 < huebi> hi snyke 
15:13 < esden> re hi all
15:14 < esden> ich bin platt ... boa kann reden mit menschen anstraengend sein ...
15:14 -!- thalerim [~be@p50812C48.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
15:14 < thalerim> hallo
15:15 < esden> ok ... a little question ... who is interested on kernel hacking on the SMP scheduler ?
15:15 * -> esden waiting for pong ...
15:16 < thalerim> hi esden
15:16 < esden> guys you have terrible roundtrip times ...
15:16 < esden> hi thalerim 
15:17 < esden> ... .zZzZ
15:17 < netcrow> ping
15:17 < esden> not ping ... pong ...
15:18 < thalerim> hm
15:19 < esden> ok I ask it in an other way ... do you want a pretty shiny big smp machine to compile rock ???
15:19 < netcrow> no *g*
15:19 < esden> netcrow: that was sure ...
15:19 < esden> ;-)
15:19 < thalerim> the machine i want
15:19 < esden> I ask the others ...
15:19 < netcrow> hm, i am too lame for a big machine
15:20 < thalerim> but..
15:20 < thalerim> hm..
15:21 < thalerim> hey rxr, wannabe idl0r wake up!
15:21 < esden> we get the machine if we get a patch from hp working on 2.4 kernel
15:22 < esden> this patch is enabling the kernel to bind processes and or users to a group of processors
15:22 < thalerim> hrhr
15:22 < huebi> PPPPP   OOOO  N     N  GGGG  !
15:22 < huebi> P    P O    O NN    N G    G !
15:22 < huebi> P    P O    O N N   N G      !
15:22 < huebi> PPPPP  O    O N  N  N G  GGG !
15:22 < huebi> P      O    O N   N N G    G !
15:22 < huebi> P      O    O N    NN G    G  
15:22 < huebi> P       OOOO  N     N  GGGG  !
15:22 < huebi> heh esden
15:22 < netcrow> huebi: just for the stats ;)
15:22 < thalerim> hi huebi (crazy dude)
15:23 < esden> if we say that we will make the patch usable we get a dedicated smp machine to compile rock ...
15:23 < esden> huebi: what do you say?
15:24 < esden> and others too
15:24 < thalerim> yo, sounds pretty cool
15:24 < esden> yes i think too
15:24 < thalerim> but i have no idea about this topic *g
15:24 < huebi> esden: What do you man with this patch?
15:24 < huebi> +e\
15:26 < esden> ich rufe dich an wenn ich heim bin ich bin zu faul es in den chat zu tippen ...
15:26 < huebi> ok
15:27 < thalerim> haha
15:27 < esden> ???
15:29 < thalerim> nix
15:30 < huebi> /usr/src/linux/arch/sparc/kernel/traps.c:
15:30 < thalerim> where has rxr gone to?
15:35 < huebi>         /* Amuse the user. */
15:35 < huebi>         printk(
15:35 < huebi> "              \|/ ____  \|/
15:35 < huebi> "              "@'/ ,. \ `@"
15:35 < huebi> "              /_| \__/ |_\
15:35 < huebi> "                 \__U_/
15:35 < huebi>  
15:36 < esden> huebi ruhe !!!!
15:36 < huebi> ok
15:36 < esden> ;-)
15:36 < thalerim> ...
15:38 * thalerim sets mode +idling
15:38 < thalerim> brb
15:45 < thalerim> does tar follow symlinks by default yes or no?
15:46 < thalerim> it does
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15:57 < huebi> libpng 1.2.2 is out
16:08 < thalerim> hmmm
16:08 < rxr> thalerim: pong - I'm back ;-)
16:08 < thalerim> okay
16:09 < rxr> thalerim: you wanted s.th. from my some hours back?
16:09 < thalerim> yo. see query
16:13 < rxr> freed: ah I'm back ...
16:14 < rxr> freed: the dRock ISOs are at: http://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/
16:14 < rxr> unstable/1.6.0-rc1-new kann ich empfehlen ...
16:24 < thalerim> rxr?!
16:24 < rxr> ja ja ja ...
16:24 < rxr> muss gerade emails read()/write() ... ;-)
16:25 < thalerim> dann sag mir das doch, mensch! ich warte und warte.. und keine reaktion :)
16:26 < rxr> ich hatte den query gerade nich im blickfeld - sorry ...
16:39 < praenti_fh_afk> esden?
16:39 -!- praenti_fh_afk is now known as praenti_fh
16:39 < praenti_fh> esden: du da? ich brauch was von dir!
16:41 < fake> hehe
16:41 < fake> another rock server online ;)
16:42 < huebi> fake: where?
16:42 < praenti_fh> fake: kannst du mir mal schnell nen vhost brandy.by-infonet.de einrichten?
16:42 < praenti_fh> auf dem apollo
16:43 < praenti_fh> ich darf nicht. hab ja nur notfall-sudo
16:43 < fake> huebi> 194.8.220.69... but plz don't destroy anything ;)
16:43 < huebi> ok. I'm carefull
16:43 < fake> praenti> o_O?? ich hab auch nur sudo... sudo -s ;)
16:44 < fake> huebi> kannst du mal schaun ob die ports 389 und oder 390 nach aussen offen sind?
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16:44 < praenti_fh> fake: es geht darum. ob ich darf oder nicht. kenne nämlich die konfiguration nicht. wenn ich an den apache-confs jetzt was änder, nicht dass dann bchat nimmer geht
16:44 < holyolli> hi
16:44 < praenti_fh> und deswegen will ich nicht
16:45 < fake> mom
16:48 < fake> praenti?
16:48 < fake> your htdocs is /var/www/htdocs.brandy
16:49 < praenti_fh> ok
16:54 < fake> you're welcome.
16:54 < praenti_fh> fake: ich brauch noch was. du hast mir doch mal eine db auf der mysql eingerichtet? kannst du mal nachschauen obs die noch gibt?
16:55 * praenti_fh nervt schon wieder ...
17:01 < fake> man, allerdings...
17:01 < praenti_fh> ;-)
17:02 < fake> wie hiess die denn die DB?
17:02 < praenti_fh> irgendwas mit yapBB oder so ähnlich
17:02 < fake> noe
17:02 < praenti_fh> ich brauch nämlich eine db zum testen
17:02 < fake> aha?
17:02 < fake> poseidon?
17:03 < praenti_fh> wär auch ne möglichkeit. wollte sie aber gleich da haben
17:03 < praenti_fh> is sowieso nur temporär für die nächsten 2 monate. dann dürfte meine ipx daheim das mal machen können
17:03 < fake> wie soll sie heissen?
17:04 < fake> *PRUUUST*
17:04 < praenti_fh> nenn sie FH
17:04 < fake> bitte ETWAS genauer
17:04 < praenti_fh> FH_AWFach
17:04 < fake> o_O
17:04 < fake> man, sinnvolle namen?
17:04 < fake> Brandy_test?
17:05 < fake> oder mo_test?
17:05 < praenti_fh> ok. dann nenn sie brandy_test
17:05 < fake> oke
17:05 < fake> username?
17:05 < fake> mo1032, richtig?
17:05 < praenti_fh> jepp
17:05 < fake> pwd?
17:05 < fake> msg ma
17:05 < thalerim> ach mist
17:05 < thalerim> :D
17:05 < praenti_fh> thalerim: zu früh gefreut ;-)
17:06 < thalerim> <- sleeper ;)
17:06 < fake> is eh nur @localhost
17:06 < praenti_fh> jenau
17:06 < thalerim> was is nur @localhost?
17:06 < praenti_fh> die db
17:07 < fake> oke. name: brandy_test, user mo1032. viel spass, und sag bescheid wenn du sie nimmer brauchst.
17:07 < praenti_fh> mach ich
17:07 < fake> wo phpMyAdmin is weist du ja, oder?
17:07 < thalerim> frag mich net wie, aber das is net 100% sicher; irgendwie kann man per geschicktem routing die apckete zu sich routen
17:07 < praenti_fh> jepp
17:08 < fake> thalerim: andere frage bleibt dabei: lohnt es sich, eine testdatenbank zu hacken? :) dann lieber was sinnvolles.
17:08 < praenti_fh> ok. basst
17:08 < thalerim> codito ergo sum - i hack, therefore I am
17:09 < rxr> esden: ?
17:09 < thalerim> der ist sich volllaufen gehen ;)
17:09 < rxr> ah ok.
17:09 < thalerim> also, vermute ich mal 
17:09 < fake> was nun laufen oder gehen? :)
17:09 < fake> ich glaub der is lrz
17:10 < thalerim> yo, furz
17:10 < fake> bitte?
17:10 < thalerim> damit wollte ich eigentlich implezieren, was lrz sei ...
17:10 < thalerim> implizieren
17:11 < fake> ...
17:11 < thalerim> implizieren ~= andeuten
17:12 < fake> <-- weiss es nicht. hab nur gequoted.
17:12 < thalerim> hm
17:12 < thalerim> lol
17:12 < thalerim> hab ich dich mal wieder erwischt :D
17:13 < rxr> ist hier jemand der bei der ROCK sf CVS sucks diskussion da war ?
17:13 < thalerim> so ich bin latein lernen
17:13 < praenti_fh> verdammt. das phpmyadmin meldet immer einen syntax-fehler.
17:13 < fake> iiieks.
17:13 < praenti_fh> und die zeile ist abgeschnitten
17:13 < praenti_fh> vermutlich unsere beschissene firewall
17:14 < fake> praenti_fh, na ob das an dem phpmyadmin liegt ;)
17:14 < fake> nana
17:14 < praenti_fh> weiß ich auch net genau. bloß ne zeile sollte eigentlich nicht abgeschnitten sein
17:16 < praenti_fh> You have an error in your SQL syntax near '(20) UNSIGNED NOT NULL, `Matrikel` SMALLINT(8) NOT NULL, `Fach` TEXT(20) NOT NUL' at line 1
17:16 < praenti_fh> das sieht für mich abgeschnitten aus
17:16 < net|weg> mensch brandy was machst du für sachen
17:16 < fake> NUL ?
17:16 -!- net|weg is now known as netcrow
17:16 < netcrow> *g*
17:16 < praenti_fh> genau. das macht phpmyadmin
17:16 < fake> brandy> ne ne
17:17 < fake> da is nurn fehler vorher
17:17 < fake> was steht denn vor dem (20) am anfang?
17:17 < praenti_fh> TEXT
17:17 < fake> Text is geschützt
17:17 < fake> schlüsselwort
17:17 < fake> nennes anders dann gehts
17:17 < fake> es gibt nämlich einen feldtyp text.
17:17 < fake> <-- eine rauchen
17:18 < praenti_fh> genau des will ich ja
17:18 < fake> Text hat keine länge
17:18 < fake> so nebenbei
17:18 < fake> is ein BLOB
17:18 < fake> und UNSIGNED geht schonmal ganich o_O
17:18 < praenti_fh> aso. ok. hab halt noch net viel erfahrung. lacht mich aus
17:19 * fake lacht brandy aus wenn er es umbedingt will ;)
17:19 < fake> ne quatsch
17:19 < fake> jetzt aber rauchen.
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17:23 * praenti_fh checkts langsam ;-)
17:23 < netcrow> hehe
17:23 < netcrow> prandy, bist ja auch student ;)
17:28 -!- Bevin [~gbevin@213-193-176-221.adsl.easynet.be] has joined #rocklinux
17:28 < Bevin> 'morning
17:28 < huebi> hi
17:30 < rxr> huebi: hi - now the mail to rock-linux is out wihtout a short discuesion - but we can do it via mail this time
17:30 < rxr> content: sf cvs ...
17:30 < huebi> sf cvs sucks?
17:33 < praenti_fh> hi geert
17:33 < rxr> huebi: is this a question or answer? ;-)
17:33 < praenti_fh> rxr: good idea
17:33 < huebi> rxr: no, a RFC ;>
17:34 < rxr>  he he ;-) You both are free to reply to the mail !! ;-<
17:34 < rxr> s/</>/ ;-))
17:34 < freed> rxr query!
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17:36 < huebi> hi aszlig 
17:36 < aszlig> ho
17:36 < praenti_fh> Bevin: do you want to maintain your packages anymore. armijn told me, that have leaved rock and yesterday i read your statement
17:36 < praenti_fh> ...that you have...
17:37 < Bevin> praenti_fh: I was just hoping to catch armijn here
17:37 < Bevin> praenti_fh: been wondering which package manager rock is now going to default on
17:37 < Bevin> praenti_fh: and yes, I'm not maintaining the rock packages I wrote a few months ago anymore
17:38 < praenti_fh> i see. because i will maintain some of your old packages
17:38 < Bevin> praenti_fh: good :-)
17:41 < freed> na wenn du willst kannst du die uppen
17:41 < praenti_fh> freed: 2 hab ich schon. common-c++ auf ein verfügbares release und xine
17:41 < freed> sorry wahr im falschen fenster 
17:43 < surprise> hi
17:44 < praenti_fh> ok. i must do some things.
17:44 -!- praenti_fh is now known as praenti_fh_afk
17:44 < huebi> so Feierabend, see you later...
17:45 < holyolli> cu huebi
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17:50 < Bevin> hi Az|work :-)
17:53 -!- Bevin is now known as BevinShopping
17:56 < Az|work> hiya BevinShopping 
17:56 < Az|work> sorry, still trying to get the day past ;-)
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18:01 < Az|work> BevinShopping: ill catch you later tonight .. im going home now
18:02 < rxr> Bevin are you the gentoo guy ?
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18:21 < esden> huebi: can I call you now ?
18:23 < thAlerim> esden: he's going to home right now.
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18:39 < rxr> Alan Cox, today: Byteswap as a 
18:39 < rxr> new revolutionary crypto system for the loopback driver isnt hard
18:39 < rxr> - He he he ;-)
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18:39 < esden> hi clifford 
18:39 < clifford> hi!
18:40 < rxr> moin Cliff!
18:40 < esden> hehe 
18:40 < clifford> hi rene.
18:40 < esden> endlich bist du da ;-)
18:40 < esden> soo
18:40 < esden> wo sindma stehen geblieben ...
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18:41 < esden> aja dependences ....
18:41 < esden> hehe angeber ;-)
18:41 <@clifford> .. und paralell package builds
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18:41 < esden> loool
18:41 <@clifford> <hmmm>
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18:42 < esden> momment
18:43 < esden> soo
18:43 < th> huebi: deine mail addr?
18:43 < th> huebi@rock?
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18:43 <@esden> soo
18:43 < rxr> clifford: was the postdoc sollution ok - or should I reorganize s.th. there
18:43 <@esden> ok
18:43 < th> boah
18:43 < th> gut gefuellt hier
18:43 < th> hi bevin, hi clifford
18:44 <@esden> jepp
18:44 < netcrow> esden: dein op sieht in irssi scheiße aus..*g*
18:44 <@esden> netcrow: du hast probs ...
18:44 < aszlig> netcrow: hey! nix gegen irssi! re
18:44 <@esden> ;-)
18:44 <@esden> re aszlig 
18:45 <@clifford> rxr: it's slightly modified in the last snap. I'm not shure if it's o.k. for xanim thought ...
18:45 <@esden> clifford: what did you want to tell me about the paralell building of packages ??
18:46 <@clifford> nothing - so far ..  ;-)
18:46 <@esden> hmm so I will have to wait for more ... 
18:46 * clifford didn't read the "want" in esdens msg - need some sleep ..
18:47 <@esden> heh ...
18:47 <@clifford> ok - looks like the dependencies are working now.
18:47 <@esden> good ... i will have to take a look on it ...
18:47 <@clifford> the next step will be the creation of the *.cache files.
18:48 <@clifford> Every package will have a *.cache file next to *.desc and *.conf.
18:48 <@clifford> The *.cache files are auto-generated and contain information from a "reference build" like the dependencies.
18:49 <@esden> hmm good that is what I thought you want to do ...
18:49 <@clifford> Using the cache file we can generate at every time in the build a list of packages which can be build next.
18:50 < rxr> I thouhg about this, too
18:50 < SMP> hi Clifford
18:50 < rxr> how will you mark dependencies and optionals ?
18:50 <@esden> hi SMP 
18:51 < rxr> moin SMP
18:51 < netcrow> hi SMP 
18:51 < SMP> @ are chic? ;)
18:51 <@clifford> rxr: I will not do it. If a package is not present in the "Packages" file, a dependency to it will be ignored.
18:52 < rxr> ok - this might work.
18:52 <@clifford> the "reference build" will be a special target containing all packages and configured in a way to produce as much dependencies as possible.
18:52 < rxr> ok
18:53 <@clifford> on possible problem will be the compiler.
18:53 < rxr> why?
18:53 <@clifford> If if e.g. use gcc2 in the reference build and make a icc based build later, all packages will depend on gcc2 and noone on icc.
18:54 < rxr> hm. but this dependency is not important
18:54 < rxr> since all packages depend on the compiler - and this dependency is misleading anyway
18:54 < rxr> becasue X does not need gcc2 to run
18:54 <@clifford> sure it is. You must not build any package from stage 2 or higher before you have built the c compiler in the lower stages.
18:54 < rxr> (thinking of the install case, where you select X11 ...)
18:54 < SMP> rxr: we're talking _build time_ dependencies
18:55 <@clifford> rxr: so we can auto-detect the build order independend of the package priority and so build multiple packages in paralell.
18:56 < rxr> clifford: yes - I know
18:56 <@clifford> esden: btw - the latest snaps do contain an 'strace' based fl_wrapper replacement. So we can make e.g. dietlibc based builds and still have something like an flist wrapper.
18:56 <@esden> ahh good
18:56 < rxr> but since the dependency generating process is the same I only wanted to add that some dependencies are not that interesting for some cases
18:57 <@esden> clifford: i think that i will put the dietlibc on top of my todo list now ...
18:58 <@esden> clifford: so we can create installdisks and Create-CD ...
18:58 <@clifford> rxr: at the moment, only the build-time dependencies are interesting to me. We can also use them for the installation process and we _need_ them for the cluster builds.
18:58 < rxr> clifford: btw. have you fixed the dependency generating in the latest snap?
18:59 <@esden> we need stuff to feed the smp machine @ lrz ;-)
18:59 <@esden> and / or the cluster they can offer ... ;-)
18:59 < rxr> clifford: ah I see they are fixed ;-)
19:00 <@clifford> yes. The flpaese requires some command-line options now and I've forgott to add them when callinf flparse for creating the dependencies.
19:01 <@clifford> esden: yes - sooner or later we will need install-disks in 1.7 ..
19:01 < rxr> clifford: how many cases of dependency-name translation cases do we have? Only glibc gcc?
19:02 <@esden> yepp ... that is why it is advancing to the top of my todo list ... and it is pretty huge at the moment .. :-(
19:02 <@clifford> Hmm .. mostly everything which could be replaced with an alternate package. Compilers, libraries, etc.
19:03 <@clifford> Currently we have something like thos for the c-compiler and the libc only (gcc2/gcc3 and glibc/dietlibc).
19:06 <@esden> hmm it seems that the dependency lists will become pretty huge and complex ... when we get more choice possibilitys ... like gclibc or something comparable 
19:06 <@esden> I mean uclibc
19:06 <@esden> not gclibc
19:07 < rxr> there is also this hackerlab-libc (or what it was called) out ...
19:08 <@esden> rxr: there are tons of such stuff ... so you can build tons^tons of different systems out of it ....
19:10 < rxr> so how to solve the name translation? let the coosen package set some "gcc2 libc" variable?
19:12 <@clifford> rxr: The best would be if one package could list it's alternate packages and whenever a packge depends on that package it automatically depends on all the alternate packages.
19:12 <@clifford> (imo)
19:12 < rxr> but this way you would have to code all alternatives into each
19:13 < rxr> transforming the dependency into a generic one in the first place might be cleaner ?
19:13 < fake> re
19:13 < fake> *argh*
19:13 < fake> brb
19:14 < rxr> hm star is from Joerg Schilling - this makes the package very unatractive ...
19:14 <@clifford> rxr: we could do that as meta-layer in the .desc files. But i would translate it to the full list of packages in the dependency cache.
19:15 <@clifford> rxr: what's wrong with gnu tar?
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19:16 < rxr> it seems to be rather huge - and the latest alpha versions (debian alreday use) produce very incompatible tar files ...
19:16 < bluefire> Moin
19:17 < bluefire> rxr: ??
19:17 < rxr> bluefire: ?
19:17 < bluefire> rxr: who produces incompatible tar files?
19:18 <@clifford> why the hell does GNU AWK not support hashes? I don't want to write the dependency checker in perl or C ...
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19:20 < armijn> er
19:20 < armijn> ehr, re
19:21 < SMP> < rxr> hm star is from Joerg Schilling - this makes the package very unatractive ...
19:21 < SMP> why?
19:22 < armijn> because he
19:22 < rxr> bluefire: Ah found it (27. Dec ...) tar-1.13.25
19:22 < armijn> s german
19:22 <@clifford> imo /opt/schilly ..
19:22 < fake> aw. better-
19:22 < armijn> (argh, enter next to ')
19:23 < rxr> his eMail answers are rather rude - I heard this from several peoples ...
19:23 < armijn> rxr: I thought he was german...not Dutch...
19:23 <@clifford> .. and he has it's own coding style ..
19:24 < armijn> hey, it's clifford.
19:24 < rxr> armijn: hehe ,-) at least he live in Germany (in the the same ZIP code region here in Berlin) ...
19:24 < armijn> rxr: well, if he's rude, he has to be Dutch...or norwegian
19:25 < armijn> (well, that last thing is just to piss off skaar)
19:25 < fake> *lol*
19:25 < rxr> It is either (GNU tar) 1.13.25 or gzip 1.3.2 which produces non-error free .tars ... at least I got many from a friend using Debian SID ...
19:26 < armijn> ah, Debian, that explains a lot...
19:26 < rxr> yes ...
19:26 < armijn> they got mawk by default
19:26 < rxr> clifford: have you decided how to to the dep replacement ?
19:26 < armijn> at least on sparc...
19:26 < SMP> it's not star's fault if gtar can't read POSIX tar archives..
19:26 < SMP> gtar stinks, but we had that discussion already ;>
19:27 < rxr> I haven't blame star! I blamed gzip/tar of Debian to do shit ...
19:27 < armijn> so, in stage 1 (1.5.x), when I build autoconf then autoconf thinks I use mawk...which I don't in the chroot
19:27 < SMP> ahh
19:27 < SMP> Debian is no reference ;)
19:27 < armijn> and egcs64 records wrong path info (search dirs)
19:28 < armijn> and I still got problems with linking and I don't know why
19:28 < armijn> and openssl doesn't build...
19:28 < armijn> need to tweak it...
19:29 < bluefire> rxr: And what shit exactly does tar-1.13.25 do?
19:29 <@clifford> rxr: not yet - I'm first writing the dependency checker in awk ..
19:30 < armijn> I thought I'd do some 30 minutes of ROCK hacking yesterday when I got home (11pm)
19:30 < armijn> turned out to be three hours :(
19:30 < rxr> bluefire: ok - I just took a look again. It is the alpha gzip debian uses - not tar
19:30 < armijn> and still isn;t working
19:31 <@esden> heh interesting ... they are talking in linux-kernel exactly about the stuff I found today  ... hmm ... I think the guys are reading my thoughts ....
19:31 < armijn> esden: what stuff?
19:31 < rxr> bluefire: you might get details why gtar stinks from SMP
19:31 < armijn> SMP is the "gtar stinks" guru
19:32 <@esden> armijn: "Why HZ on i386 is 100 ?"
19:32 < bluefire> Aha.
19:32 < bluefire> SMP: just a repeat for the unworthy: why does gnu-tar stink?
19:32 < armijn> esden: HZ?
19:33 < rxr> clifford: before you disapear ;-) How should the resuce, xyz and install-disk target create their ISO and floppy images?
19:33 < armijn> esden: what's HZ?
19:33 < rxr> I think they are so different that they should do this on their own - reight?
19:33 <@esden> yes ... that is a #define that is setting the timeslice size ....
19:34 < rxr> also some helper functions can be added to the main scripts ...
19:34 <@esden> @armijn
19:34 < fake> hi esden
19:34 <@esden> hi fake 
19:35 < armijn> hi fake
19:35 < armijn> esden: and, ehr, what does it do?
19:35 * -> esden had to read scheduler kernel source today ... it reads like a really good book ;-)
19:35 <@clifford> rxr: like a target is (a bit more than) a collection of packages, we will add "distributions" which are (a bit more than) a collection of targets.
19:36 <@clifford> that's my idea to solve that problem.
19:36 < armijn> esden: it broke on alpha or so?
19:36 < armijn> esden: I had to dig into the sparc64 kernel sources...
19:37 <@esden> armijn: timeslice is the time a process can run before the scheduler takes the control of the system away
19:37 < armijn> found out we can't simply build the kernel for sparc/sparc64 the way it is built now...
19:37 < SMP> bluefire: gtar archives have a proprietary format, forcing people to install gtar in addition to any standards-compliant tar archiver
19:37 < BevinShopping> rxr: yes
19:37 < BevinShopping> dag armijn
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19:37 < armijn> hi bevin
19:37 <@esden> armijn: nope ... i got a really interesting head cruncher from lrz ... 
19:37 < armijn> bevin: switching back to rock :)
19:38 < Bevin> armijn: nope
19:38 <@esden> so I read the scheduler source ;-)
19:38 < armijn> hehe
19:38 < Bevin> armijn: just wanted to hang around a channel ;-)
19:38 < armijn> bevin: ah, ok
19:38 < armijn> bevin: this "fake install system" is that a part of portage, or of GenToo?
19:38 < Bevin> armijn: and inquire what the package manager status was with rock these days
19:39 < bluefire> SMP: roger. 
19:39 * SMP thinks it's ripped from OpenBSD ;p
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19:39 < armijn> SMP: if that code is rippable :)
19:40 < armijn> just found out I definitely can't read Japanese...
19:41 < Bevin> armijn: portage
19:42 < armijn> bevin: can it be used as stand alone? without portage?
19:42 < Bevin> armijn: since I'll now be implementing a package manager from scratch, I might as well listen to the needs of rocklinux
19:43 < Bevin> armijn: the sandbox can be used standalone, yes
19:43 < armijn> bevin: well...dunno how other people feel about it, but I might be interested to know more about the sandbox
19:43 < armijn> but, as I see it, ROCK does allow for it...build your own distro :))
19:43 * SMP too
19:44 < Bevin> armijn: I'll release an isolated version with docs by the end of the week
19:44 < armijn> bevin: kewl
19:44 < Bevin> armijn: might be good to wait until then
19:44 < Bevin> armijn: I'd be happy to explain further is some info is missing or unclean
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19:45 < armijn> bevin: I will wait, no worries
19:45 < Bevin> armijn: ok :-)
19:45 < armijn> too busy with rock on sparc64 anywayz
19:45 < rxr> clifford: but this would be quite a mess! you have to build the install-disk target and then run the install-disk distribution to pack the ISO?
19:45 < Bevin> armijn: there's one known *bug* in the current sandbox though that can't be resolved since it's actually a confirmed and fixed bug in glibc
19:45 < Bevin> armijn: it'll be included in the next release of glibc
19:45 < armijn> bevin: ah, ok
19:45 < rxr> rxr:  also most distributions will require a speical way to build the packages - so it is directly related ...
19:46 < Bevin> armijn: I'll most probably extend the sandbox as a basis for the new package manager which will do automatic dependency tracking
19:46 < armijn> rxr: why are you always talking to yourself?
19:46 < rxr> s/rxr:/clifford:/
19:47 < armijn> bevin: you know, that's a *very* tricky subject
19:47 < Bevin> armijn: I know ! :-)
19:47 < rxr> armijn: because I task-switch too much ...)
19:47 < Bevin> armijn: but imho deps are way too fragile to handle manually
19:47 < armijn> bevin: a friend is doing a PhD in that field...and he's a brainiac and he even has got many problems with it
19:47 < Bevin> armijn: out of experience I saw that most package writers tend to overlook them
19:48 < armijn> bevin: it's not an easy task...
19:48 < Bevin> armijn: might be interesting to get in touch with him
19:48 < armijn> bevin: I'd be happy to talk about this at a later time, but going home now :)
19:48 < armijn> need to do rock fixxxxxing
19:48 < Bevin> armijn: ok :-) I gotta help to cook dinner anyway ;-)
19:48 < Bevin> later
19:48 < armijn> cu
19:48 * armijn off
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19:48 < armijn> bye all
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19:50 < SMP> hmmm, cooking.
19:57 < fake> brb
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20:00 <@clifford> rxr: yes - that's pretty dirty. That's why I didn't write any code for this so far...
20:02 < rxr> clifford: I would think of a target as one target-distribution which generate some kind of image / files that can be used. So the generic, desktop (server?) target create the packages and an ISO and the install-disk targets (for example) create the floppy images ... 
20:02 < rxr> clifford: the only onclear thing is, that the generic, ... targets need the install-disk target for the boot images
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20:09 < fake> re
20:13 <@esden> re hi all
20:13 <@esden> ...
20:14 <@esden> ahh
20:14 <@esden> re fake 
20:14 * -> esden reading scrollback
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20:17 < tsa> hi
20:18 < rxr> SMP: have you a free minute?
20:19 < SMP> oh, back in a moment
20:20 < fake> finally tftpd works >_<
20:23 < fake> or not.
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20:32 < fake> o_O
20:32 < aszlig> re
20:33 <@esden> k
20:34 <@esden> hmmm
20:34 < aszlig> jor?
20:34 <@esden> puhhh
20:35 < aszlig> esden: ?
20:35 <@esden> hacking rock >_<
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20:41 < fake> hi th!
20:41 <@esden> hi th 
20:41 < tsa> hi th
20:41 -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o esden] by esden
20:42 < esden> i feel bad with this op thing ....
20:42 * -> esden is not worthy an op ...
20:42 < tsa> esden: how come? do you expect getting kicked? ;-)
20:42 < tsa> ah
20:42 < snyke> lol
20:43 < esden> clifford is op worthy ... huebi ... or rxr .... but not me ...
20:44 < SMP> ok
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20:45 < SMP> rxr: apart from my fish-fingers I'll be all your's now ;)
20:45 < tsa> hehe
20:45 < rxr> esden: huebi: all the rest could you please also clarify your points about the sf repository - I do not want to argue against it also on the mailing-list ...
20:46 < tsa> hehe....just read pjotr's mail to the list.
20:46 < tsa> anyway. sf cvs currently sucks because it's pretty unstructured.
20:47 < tsa> package/package is evil.
20:47 < esden> rxr: I will write an answer to pj mail ...
20:47 < tsa> the 1.5 tree is not used for recent development work and can therefore be considered obsolete.
20:47 < rxr> we had this here a few days ago - but Pjotr needs to get it ...
20:47 < rxr> ahh tnx!
20:48 < tsa> feel free to copy anything frm here into your mail.
20:49 -!- Bevin is now known as BevinEat
20:49 < tsa> if sf cvs is to be used in the future, it has to be restructured.
20:49 < fake> YES!
20:49 < tsa> i'd like to see a directory "rock-1.7"
20:49 < rxr> tsa: It would be very nice if you vould post this in a mail! I do not want to be the only one who contiuesly argue against it ...
20:49 < tsa> ..and not the package/package stuff.
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20:50 < fake> documentations are not very catholic. they tend to lie quite often ;)
20:53 < th_> args
20:54 < th_> bin ich hier ueber dip-t gerouted?
20:54 < th_> damn dann is eastlink down
20:55 < SMP> hoehoe
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20:57 < th__> grummel grummel
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21:00 < blindcoder> i hate lilo >_<
21:00 < fake> then use grub *g*
21:00 < fake> hi, btw
21:00 < tsa> hehe
21:00 < blindcoder> hi ;)
21:00 < tsa> hi ;)
21:01 < esden> re blindcoder 
21:01 < aszlig> blindcoder: re ;)
21:02 * fake tunes in massive attack
21:02 < blindcoder> re esden
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21:03 < aszlig> fake: wuah, thats too soft :P
21:03 * blindcoder now recompiles tar and then recreates the complete ROCKLinux directory (ie: deleting and compiling)
21:03 * -> esden writing mail to pj
21:03 < fake> eexactly what i need, confronted to that high-speed indigo2 ;)
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21:04 -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o clifford] by clifford
21:05 < SMP> oben^W@-ohne saison auf #rocklinux ;p
21:05 < tsa> hehe
21:05 < th> wie?
21:05 < fake> nani?
21:05 < th> ahh
21:06 < fake> lirc rulez :)
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21:07 < SMP> th__: need a shell? ;P
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21:07 < fake> <- cooking
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21:11 < fake> how long may a 150 indigo2 need to compile rock? *g*
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21:11 < esden> a week @ fake 
21:11 < esden> ?
21:11 < surprise> kennt jemand nen tool womit man bin datein entpacken kann?
21:11 < esden> ;-)
21:11 < tsa> surprise: bin?
21:11 < hackbard> re
21:11 < fake> maybe... compiling mindex under irix took about half an hour
21:12 < fake> surprise: just run em ;)
21:12 < surprise> hm
21:12 < esden> fake autsh ..
21:12 -!- th [~th@pD901445A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:12 < fake> chmod u+x filename.bin ; ./filename.bin
21:12 < hackbard> i bet he needs dd :)
21:13 < fake> not if we're talking about jdk ;)
21:13 < fake> esden so i guess about one month for stage 1 - 3 ;))
21:13 -!- clifford is now known as clifford_away
21:15 < fake> damn. i'm out of dishes :))
21:17 < SMP> washing up does wonders :p
21:17 -!- th [~th@pD901445A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("bad link")
21:17 < fake> what is washing?
21:18 < SMP> 'Abwasch'
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21:18 < fake> wenn ich sie auf den balkon stelle muss ich nur warten bis es regnet *g*
21:19 < SMP> problems with acif rain? *g*
21:19 < SMP> acid even
21:20 < fake> abwasch is was fuer maedchen. echt maenner waschen nicht ab.
21:20 < SMP> schon mal ein Maedchen gefragt, was sie davon haelt?
21:21 < inode> wow  did you know this?  :
21:21 < inode> Red Hat Linux Powers Credit Suisse First Boston's Massive Global Trading Architecture
21:22 < inode> thats a huge step for linux
21:22 < fake> SMP: why should I? I don't car ;P
21:22 < fake> care
21:22 < fake> inode: another server... i want linux on the desktop 
21:23 < inode> its a step in the correct direction
21:24 < fake> sure ;)
21:24 < inode> i was just compairing the stock prices of sun and hr  thats how i found that out.
21:24 -!- surprise is now known as surprised
21:24 < inode> damn  sun is dirt cheap
21:27 < tsa> rxr: g3GJhpR21812 Message accepted for delivery
21:27 < tsa> mail's been sent.
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21:29 < rxr> tsa: ,>
21:29 < tsa> uh...was that geert bevin?
21:30 < tsa> i thought he was with gentoo now..
21:30 < SMP> sure
21:30 < SMP> not quite anymore. but does that disqualify him from access to #rocklinux? ;)
21:30 < term_aweh> good night
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21:31 < tsa> SMP: no, sure it doesn't. i've just been wondering..
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21:35 < thalerim> crash
21:35 < thalerim> Cr45H 0vErR1dE
21:35 < thalerim> :)
21:35 < aszlig> hehe
21:35 < aszlig> :)
21:36 < blindcoder> hai... hai...
21:36 < fake> blindcoder: i watched the last ep Onegai Teacher yesterday
21:37 < blindcoder> cool
21:37 < fake> it's so... sugoi ;)
21:37 < tsa> blindcoder: Wooooooo?
21:37 < fake> i like the very last pics best
21:37 < blindcoder> but I found it bad that he was with the Teacher and not his classmate in the end
21:37 < fake> the face of his 'parents' as they tell them they wanna marry all of a sudden ;)
21:37 < esden> mail sent ....
21:37 < blindcoder> *lol*
21:37 < fake> like O-O
21:38 < blindcoder> esden> i think I just figured out how to move packages from ext to base ;)
21:38 < blindcoder> O.O x.x O.O
21:38 < fake> bc: that classmate was not as sexy as Mizuho *g*
21:38 < blindcoder> sure... but i think it's... just wrong somehow...
21:39 < tsa> blindcoder: hm..send a mail to the list and point out that your package is really important so someone will move it? ;)
21:39 -!- th [~th@pD901445A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:39 < blindcoder> tsa> I just think vim should be in base and not in ext ;) and I'll insert some things so it matches my needs (blackbox, icewm and nethack ;)
21:40 < th> blindcoder: vim in base? i don't think so
21:40 < blindcoder> th: nvi in base? i don't think so ;)
21:40 < tsa> vim? why?
21:41 < esden> th: i also would like to have vim in base ... as a choosable alternative nvi ... 
21:41 < th> blindcoder: hmmm. i really prefer vim. but... hmmm
21:41 < th> well... even galeon is in the base
21:41 < th> (as of 1.5.14)
21:42 < esden> always the first thing i do when i install rock is replacing nvi with vim ...
21:42 < thalerim> nvi sucks
21:42 < th> yes it does
21:42 < esden> thalerim: ack
21:42 < thalerim> it sucks more than sucking
21:42 < thalerim> finally it sucks
21:43 < thalerim> naja
21:43 < thalerim> immer noch besser als ein pico clone *rotfl*
21:43 < th> jo
21:43 < tsa> hm....the ML is slooow....just recieved the mail i sent 20 minutes ago..
21:45 < SMP> sheesh, dialup is so retarded. three minutes plus to transfer only a megabyte
21:46 < fake> buschtrommelverbdindung
21:46 < fake> mitmeisselgeschwinmdigkeit
21:46 < thalerim> buschtrommel.. wtf?
21:47 < fake> bongo-(stille)-bongobongo...
21:47 < fake> 1 0 11..
21:47 < thalerim> ?
21:48 < esden> dot
21:48 < fake> dit-dow ;)
21:49 < esden> dit dit daw daw
21:49 < SMP> g'night
21:50 < fake> o yasumi!
21:50 < esden> ahhh my mail arrived ... !!!
21:50 < esden> n8 SMP 
21:50 < fake> mail to yourself?
21:50 < tsa> cu SMP
21:51 < esden> no to the rocklinux mailinglist .. I am shiverring ...
21:51 < esden> i am afraid that I get nasty flames back ...
21:51 < fake> note to myself: do not write notes to yourself anymore!
21:52 < esden> loool
21:52 < fake> note to myself: for a reason see next note.  *g*
21:52 < esden> I am doing this note thing all the time ... ;-)
21:52 < esden> that is the best way to store notes ... 
21:54 < tsa> th, rxr: you're maintainers for the vim package....what do you think about --enable-rubyinterp ?
21:54 < th> tsa: i would have no problem withit
21:54 < tsa> you're already using perl and python, so why not ruby?
21:54 < th> tsa: i would have no problem with it
21:54 < rxr> thalerim: in 1.7 vim has two new build configs: (because I also only use vim) a) build X11-less vim and a second gvim binary and b) default vi sym-linking ;-) hehe
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21:55 < tsa> rxr: i've just discoverd those..
21:55 < rxr> tsa: does this need ruby?
21:55 * tsa rebuilding vim.
21:55 < thalerim> rxr: ewwwwww gvim
21:55 < tsa> rxr: i'm not sure. ruby is present on my system.
21:55 < th> tsa: so i will add ruby now for 1.5er tree
21:56 < tsa> ok..
21:56 < tsa> == 04/16/02 21:57:01 =[9]=> Finished building package vim.
21:56 < thalerim> rxr: how to choose`?
21:56 < rxr> tsa: we would need to detect ruby (because I normally haven't it ;-) - maybe we should do this for perl and python tooo ...)
21:56 < tsa> thalerim: ./scripts/Config
21:56 < rxr> thalerim: ./scripts/Config
21:56 < rxr> ;-)
21:56 < tsa> hehe
21:57 < th> rxr: does the build fail if ruby is not present?
21:57 < rxr> I need the X11 less binary for server system where no Xlibs are present ...
21:57 < thalerim> ow i see
21:57 * -> esden needs a webcam to see if his parents are in bed
21:57 < thalerim> but this is a new feature added in the last weeks
21:57 < rxr> ith you specify --with-xyz the packages normally abort if it is not present ...
21:58 < tsa> rxr:  Build seperate CML and GTK+ binary
21:58 < fake> esden *lol*
21:58 < tsa> what's CML?
21:58 < fake> attach a microphone to your router and install it... *g*
21:58 < rxr> CoMand Line
21:58 < tsa> aaaaaaah!
21:58 < rxr> what?
21:58 < esden> fake: hmm good idea .. I will do it ...
21:58 < fake> command line *rofl*
21:59 < esden> streaming mp3 ;-)
21:59 < thalerim> rxr: when i built vim, the vim.conf was a transled old *.ext file
21:59 < thalerim> translated
21:59 < rxr> what is the proper abbreviation for command-line???
22:00 < thalerim> cmd
22:00 < fake> shell ?
22:00 < th> cmd
22:00 < tsa> i have absolutely no idea.
22:00 < thalerim> <- quicker
22:00 < thalerim> :P, th
22:00 < th> ;)
22:00 < th> my link is quite slow
22:00 < rxr> cmd -> command; and what is command-line? ;-)
22:00 < th> cmd_
22:00 < fake> shell!
22:00 < th> ;>
22:01 < th> what's that line anyways?
22:01 < th> a line of commands?
22:01 < rxr> god question? ,-)
22:01 < th> it's just a command
22:01 < thalerim> rxr: yeah, cmdline
22:01 < rxr> feel free to patch a better desc into it ...
22:01 < thalerim> it the short form
22:01 < thalerim> *is
22:02 < tsa> i had wondered because CML has a different means..
22:02 < rxr> which meaning? some drug? hehe ...
22:02 < tsa> no
22:03 < tsa>  Configuration Menu Language
22:03 < tsa> http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/cml2/
22:03 < thalerim> g00gled :P
22:03 < rxr> oh ok - know this one
22:04 < rxr> Chemical Markup Language (CML)
22:04 < rxr> ;-)
22:04 < thalerim> l.a.m.e.r.
22:04 < thalerim> -> lokaler admin mit enormen rechten[tm]
22:05 < rxr> http://www.spack.org/words/commandline.html
22:05 < rxr> but there is no abbreviation ...
22:05 < thalerim> cmline!
22:05 < thalerim> cmdline!
22:06 < fake> ...
22:06 < fake> it's the shell
22:06 < fake> *g*
22:06 < thalerim> nope
22:07 < thalerim> hm
22:07 < fake> command line reminds me of command.,com *oerks*
22:07 < thalerim> hrhr
22:07 < fake> command.com, command.de, command.org ? ;-)
22:07 * tsa wants a "[ ] Build damn f****** text-mode binary only"-option!
22:07 < rxr> fake: this this not command line; this is a single command continously crashing ...
22:08 < rxr> tsa: huh?
22:08 < tsa> fake: a co-worker had "evil.is.at.my.command.cx" for some time...
22:08 < fake> it must not be text-mode. it may be on a framebuffer or svgalib enables shell *g*
22:08 < tsa> rxr: i've just discovered the gvim binary.
22:08 < rxr> tsa: The first time in your live?
22:08 < fake> enabled
22:09 < tsa> rxr: yes.
22:09 < rxr> oh
22:09 < tsa> This is crap.
22:09 < rxr> But it not that bad - I use it often for larger files ...
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22:10 < fake> how about non-X ?
22:10 < rxr> tsa: btw: a KDE3 kpart version of vim has reach the first stable release. You can use kVim in every kparts based app, like konqui, kmail, kdevelop ... (although for the later onces kvim needs still fixing ...)
22:10 < fake> *pukes*
22:10 * tsa too.
22:10 < thalerim> 2
22:10 < rxr> tsa: three options? for one tiny editor? ;-)
22:11 < fake> tiny?
22:11 < esden> *repuke*
22:11 < tsa> rxr: hey, it's __the__ editor!
22:11 < fake> regular-expressions with sub-pattern-match and...
22:11 < fake> ...able to edit 8 GB files? (tested)
22:11 < rxr> tsa: It is ONE of the TWO editors!!! 
22:11 < tsa> rxr: hehe
22:11 < fake> the other one is notepad.exe *g*
22:11 < rxr> tsa: ????
22:12 < netcrow> hehe
22:12 < thalerim> 8GB files?
22:12 < rxr> tsa: I everytime get a invaild elf-header when I try to run it ...
22:12 < fake> o'course
22:12 < thalerim> how much memory you need then?
22:12 < tsa> rxr: vim 6.1? built without problems here..
22:13 < rxr> anyway - i think three options is too much! If we get three options per package noone will be able to get though them ...
22:13 < fake> this box had 256 Megs. But there was a web-server and a mysql db, a directory server and a few java processes eating about 200 Megs ;)
22:13 < thalerim> the editor had no puffering?
22:14 < netcrow> so ich geh jetzt baden :)
22:14 < fake> of course, but he's not stupid enough to try to buffer 8 gigs ;)
22:14 < fake> viel spass netti ^^
22:14 < rxr> rxr: Yes vim-6.1 also runns here, fine. I was talking about invaild elf-headers in notepad.exe ...
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22:14 < tsa> rxr: how does it feel talking to youself?
22:14 * tsa laughs..
22:14 * fake too
22:14 < thalerim> fake: hm.. what does it do exactly then?
22:15 < fake> buffer part of it?
22:15 < rxr> tsa: wenn man hir auch stundenlang ueber nen editor diskutieren muss ...
22:15 < thalerim> fake: erm
22:15 < thalerim> lol
22:15 < thalerim> got a head shot
22:15 < tsa> rxr: hehe.....haben wir dich verwirrt? ;)
22:15 < rxr> no - but maybe your - thinking vim causes invaild elf headers ... hehe
22:16 < fake> elf2ecoff vim ; ./vim ?
22:16 < thalerim> fake: me was so impressed not to be able thinkin further ;)
22:17 < snyke> hi fake 
22:17 < esden> beautiful command line :
22:17 < fake> thalerim: :)
22:17 < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/rock-src-1.7.0-DEV-200204161451# ./scripts/Create-Diff -editor vi ../rock-src-1.7.0-DEV-200204111353 .
22:17 < fake> hi snyke!
22:18 < fake> command line? what's the abbreviation for that? *ducks*
22:18 < thalerim> fake: but then it's nothing distinctive/special to edit big files.. :)
22:19 < fake> thalerim: ever tried to edit something big with nvi?
22:19 < fake> let's say _huge_ ;)
22:19 < thalerim> nvi is no editor
22:19 < thalerim> nvi = no vi(m)
22:19 < rxr> tsa: btw: You might desire to build a X11-tyfied vim by default to see the filename you're currently editing in the xterm title ...
22:19 < thalerim> :D
22:20 < tsa> rxr: hm... i can live without xterm titles...
22:21 < rxr> Only a few days ago I did rm /usr/bin/vim ; ln -s /usr/bin/gvim /usr/bin/vim because 7 xterm running vim were slightly confusing ...
22:21 < fake> you can do window splitting with the normal vim
22:21 < snyke> n8 ppl!
22:21 < fake> nacht snyke
22:22 < snyke> <-- writes a test tomorrow :)
22:22 < fake> good luck!
22:22 < snyke> thx!
22:22 < tsa> perhaps we should change the build system to autocanf/automake .. ;)
22:22 < thalerim> good look either
22:22 < tsa> $ ./configure --text-vi-only-please --do-we-need-kde --no-we-dont --NLS-sucks
22:22 < snyke> mhm
22:22 < tsa> just kidding..
22:22 < snyke> ~goaway~
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22:22 < fake> --maybe-i-want-err --letme-think --damn-i-forgot ?
22:23 < tsa> jupp..
22:23 * blindcoder going to bed... needs some sleep... kicks his PC for good-bye ;)
22:23 < fake> and --help prints put 50 pages of random characters after the options litisting *g*
22:23 < fake> bye bc!
22:23 < tsa> there was a program checking for beer in the fridge but i don't remember which one it was..
22:23 < blindcoder> baibai
22:24 < fake> some enlightenment
22:24 < thalerim> --this-is-a-option-withput-any-function-just-being-there-to-fill-the-list
22:24 < fake> eterm checks for live-signs in -lkenny
22:24 -!- praenti_fh_afk is now known as praenti
22:24 < praenti> re
22:24 < fake> E itself checks for ale in fridge, IIRC
22:24 < esden> muahaha
22:25 < tsa> hm.....we have no eterm package.
22:25 < praenti> esden: taugt die alpha was?
22:25 < fake> tsa that's why i saw the configure output ;)
22:25 < tsa> hehe
22:25 < esden> and if the test fails then it says that you should fill up your fridge
22:26 < esden> praenti: ja ... finde schon ...
22:26 < thalerim> cd src/emasc ; ./configure --install-as-fewest-as-possible # after compiling it has 500mb though
22:26 < fake> "tell your wife to go shopping" ;)
22:26 < praenti> esden: was schätzt du preislich?
22:26 < esden> ist vom pracessor so schnell wie meine pws
22:26 < esden> ich weiss net ...
22:26 < praenti> ungefähr
22:26 < esden> 300-400 eur ...
22:27 < fake> animenu rulez - animated OSD for lirc with transparency ;)
22:27 < esden> vielleicht weniger ...
22:27 < praenti> esden: soll ich lieber die nehmen anstatt der ultra5?
22:27 < praenti> da steht nämlich leider untested
22:27 < esden> praenti: musst du wissen ...
22:27 * fake will ne schnelle mips rk4X00
22:27 < tsa> checking for buckets_of_erogenous_nym... no
22:27 < esden> tja fake da tust dich schwer ...
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22:28 < tsa> enlightenment..
22:28 < praenti> esden: is aber so schwer ...
22:28 < fake> praenti> nimm die U5
22:28 < esden> praenti: entscheidungen sind immer schwer ...
22:28 < esden> nee nimm die alpha
22:28 < praenti> gruzamfix
22:28 < fake> SPARC-kompatible prozessoren werden wenigstens noch gebaut ;)
22:29 < esden> dann kannst mir beim porten helfen ;-)
22:29 < praenti> am liebsten würd ich ja beide nehmen
22:29 < fake> tus doch!
22:29 < rxr> praenti: if this saves me the U5 - and you would like to have an Alpha ... - would be nice ;-)
22:29 < esden> haha fake mache mich halt nieder .. :-((((
22:29 < fake> esden sorry, but it's true. not my fault... or is it?
22:29 * fake - the alpha killer ?
22:30 < esden> looool
22:30 < rxr> alpha wird auch _nodh_ gebaut ...
22:30 < praenti> was is na cooler
22:30 < praenti> ?
22:30 < esden> nope ... you are remembering me the terrible truth  @ fake 
22:30 < fake> UltraSPARC 4 release is Aug this year IIRC
22:30 < fake> the specs, o'course
22:31 < rxr> praenti: You might checkout www.spec.org to compare the performance of the two boxes - should be quite similar ...
22:38 * fake wants a SunFire 15k -_-
22:41 < praenti> ok. ich werd erstmal die U5 nehmen. ob ich die alpha krieg entscheidet ripclaw und mein geldbeutel
22:49 < hackbard> esden: i have got some cool ideas .. (concerning ur mail)
22:50 < hackbard> if rock has something like rock-get (which installs packages, precompiled from a mirror) one could work on a kickstart installation, like debian does with FAI
22:50 < fake> rock-get *g*
22:50 < hackbard> :)
22:50 < rxr> hackbard: what does FAI ?
22:51 < hackbard> well, this schouldnt be as difficult if there is just a mirror with precompiled packages
22:51 < fake> do you have a server?
22:51 < hackbard> rxr: it automates the installation of debian 
22:51 < hackbard> one moment ..
22:51 < hackbard> fake: me ? no :)
22:52 < fake> do want to pay for the traffic? *g*
22:52 < hackbard> sure!
22:52 < hackbard> :p
22:52 < hackbard> well, edonkey !
22:52 < hackbard> :)
22:52 < esden> hackbard: write a mail ;-)
22:52 < fake> hehe
22:53 < fake> edonkey-get `get-ed2k-sum <package-name>`
22:53 < hackbard> hehe
22:53 < esden> even silly ideas are not as silly that you could not implement it ;-)
22:54 < fake> okay, go ahead ;)
22:54 < hackbard> rxr: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/
22:54 < esden> that was your idea so you implement it ;-)
22:55 < fake> okay, i'll start when i finished porting rock to mips so lets say in... about half an hour.
22:55 < fake> ;))
22:55 < hackbard> haha
22:55 < esden> loool
22:55 < fake> aw, did i say hour? i ment decade ;)
22:56 < fake> okay, which is the fastest server to get the actual rock 1.5 source?
22:56 < hackbard> rxr: i am workin on fai at university. maybe if rock has sth like that, i may `ueberzeugen` him to use rock! :)
22:56 < fake> to convince
22:57 < hackbard> thanks.
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23:00 < Mike1> hi all
23:00 < rxr> hackbard: I also would like to see a fully funcional network installation in ROCK-2
23:00 < rxr> Hi
23:00 < Mike1> how are you rene
23:01 < rxr> good, thanks! You too? ;-)
23:01 < Mike1> ja
23:02 < esden> hi Mike1 !
23:02 < Mike1> yo esden
23:02 < esden> rxr: that will come do not worry ;-)
23:02 * Mike1 installing splack on a Ultra 5 brb
23:03 < rxr> hehe
23:03 < rxr> In dRock this works mostly ...
23:04 < rxr> I even fixed a few bugs in the install_bin for the network install case ... - Has s.o. tried this with generic ROCK in the last time ?
23:05 < hackbard> hi Mike1
23:05 < praenti> hi Mike1
23:06 < praenti> esden: flying to Costa Rica and back costs ca. 700,- EUR
23:06 < huebi> re
23:06 < hackbard> rxr: no, but i did have some problesm with ncurses with 1.7 (gcc2.95 as a default) - build process was longer when building with 3.04 as a default
23:07 < rxr> hackbard: longer? More packages compiled - or the compiler was slower?
23:07 < hackbard> rxr: btw, do you want to change positions in ripclaws mail?
23:07 < hackbard> yes :)
23:07 < huebi> rxr: I never tried netinstall
23:07 < rxr> huebi: then 1.5 might have some bugs - fixed in dRock ...
23:07 < huebi> ok
23:07 < praenti> hackbard: why? money?
23:08 < hackbard> if you want, you can have the first one - i have not much time and my room is already fdull with hardware - but i take it if you dont!
23:08 < rxr> hackbard: ??? which one of the two possibilites I wrote?
23:08 < hackbard> praenti: no i have the money, its just, rene may do more rock development on it ..
23:09 < praenti> i want to wait to linuxtag. then we need no post ag
23:09 < praenti> so ripclaw have very much time
23:09 < hackbard> rxr: OH, didnt se that .. it compiled more packages
23:09 < rxr> Hm
23:10 < rxr> ;-) With the todays snap nearly all except KDE compiles ...
23:10 < hackbard> thjere are some undefined references to streambuf if i remember corectly
23:10 < hackbard> okay, i ll download and try later
23:10 < esden> autsh ... the init macros are .... havy !!!
23:12 < esden> praenti: cool ... when we do not have to pay more ... and mike/jonath[an] give us place to sleep ... it is menagable !!!!
23:12 < th> tsa: btw: vim-extension at sf-cvs had rubyinterp in it
23:12 < tsa> ok.
23:13 < tsa> thanks.
23:13 < rxr> th:  maybe I removed some lines ... - we can readd it ...
23:14 < rxr> hackbard: did you offered the U5 to me or praenti?
23:14 < th> rxr: you changed something on huebi's cvs?
23:14 < rxr> th: NO!
23:14 < rxr> th: I thouhg you are talking about the sf cvs ...
23:14 < th> rxr: so you maintain 1.7er vim?
23:14 < th> confopt="$confopt --enable-cscope --enable-rubyinterp --enable-gui=gtk \
23:14 < th>         --enable-perlinterp \
23:14 < th>         --enable-pythoninterp"
23:14 < fake> esden> r u talking about linuxtag?
23:15 < rxr> rxr: I updated the 1.7 vim, yes.
23:15 < esden> nope costa rica ;-)
23:15 < fake> costa rica ??
23:15 < th> th: so i will only maintain 1.5er and you the 1.7er
23:15 < esden> what is with linuxtag ?
23:15 < fake> i thought sleep -> linuxtag.
23:15 < fake> "place to sleep" i mean
23:16 < th> rxr: i cvs remove vim now at sf
23:16 < esden> fake: no ... i mean going visit jonath[an] and Mike1 
23:16 < rxr> Mike1: The other question regarding the Utra5 is, do you really want Ripclaws one considering the expensive shipping cost to Costa Rica??? You must get one in Costa Rica for this price yourself ...
23:16 < rxr> th: but only the 1.5 one! - Or should I move the 1.7 one into my extra1 repository?
23:17 < th> package/ext-config
23:17 < th> /cvsroot/rock-package/package/ext-config/vim/vim.ext,v  <--  vim.ext
23:17 < th> new revision: delete; previous revision: 1.8
23:20 < th> rxr: i don't know anything about 1.7er repositories
23:21 < rxr> they are in package/package/sourceforge
23:21 < hackbard> rxr: yeah 4<->5 
23:21 < rxr> th: So I'll move the 1.7 vim from sourceforge into extra, too ...
23:21 < th> ok
23:22 < hackbard> ur one of the rock core developers, you should get one before i do  :p
23:22 < Mike1> hi hackbard
23:22 < hackbard> yo miguel
23:22 < Mike1> rxr: i already tyold ripclaw that i wouldn't take it
23:23 < hackbard> there was someone on #elks waitin for you .
23:23 < hackbard> ahh, that means we could both get one :)
23:23 < Mike1> besides i just got my self an U5 over here, rigfht now i am installing Splack on it, 
23:23 < hackbard> .. we both could ..
23:23 < rxr> Mike1: Ahh - ok. So there is one for you too ;-)
23:23 < Mike1> hopefully in a fe hours i will be building rock
23:23 < Mike1> rxr hehe
23:24 < Mike1> hackbard: thanks i will be there in a sec
23:24 < rxr> Mike1: Cool - so everyone is happy!
23:24 < Mike1> rxr yes
23:24 * rxr jumping arround
23:24 < hackbard> :)
23:24 * -> esden downloading -alt-dir 1.7 sources ;-)
23:25 < Mike1> i'm glad we made it work for all of us
23:25 < rxr> Mike1: and your Sparc should have beed much cheaper without the shipping costs ;-) ...
23:25 * -> esden needs currently an external scsi box for his alpha :-(((
23:25 < rxr> Mike1: How many Mhz has your's?
23:25 < Mike1> yup, a friend gave it to me for free
23:26 < Mike1> 270mhz
23:26 < rxr> Mike1: ohh!
23:26 < esden> the harddisks are too small :-(
23:26 < rxr> Just as Riplaws have ic
23:26 < fake> esden: me has one - equipped with an 18 GB HD...
23:26 < Mike1> 256mb ram, 60gb hd
23:26 < Mike1> not mine :D
23:26 < rxr> Mike1: And what is your first impression regarding the performance?
23:26 < fake> for the indigo2 - sponsored by humanIT (unofficially *g*)
23:27 < Mike1> i certainly lioke it very much
23:27 < esden> fake: i am happy for you ...
23:27 < Mike1> still i have been working on it for like 30 minutes
23:27 < esden> *hanging-head*
23:27 < Mike1> its installing Splack at mnoment as i said before
23:27 < fake> esden jammer nich ;)
23:27 < esden> jaja ...
23:27 < Mike1> esden i read something about you comming here
23:28 < Mike1> wanna talk about it?
23:28 < esden> yes we thought with praenti to visit you in holidays ... ;-)
23:28 < Mike1> who is we?
23:28 < esden> but 700eur is pretty expensive ...
23:28 < esden> me and praenti 
23:29 < Mike1> esden nice
23:29 < praenti> esden: is. i search for a cheaper fly
23:29 < esden> praenti: good ;-)
23:30 < praenti> have read it on www.reisen.de and i think i can be cheaper. must ask in a tourism-buro
23:30 * fake has never been on a plane
23:31 * praenti only on a sliding plane
23:31 < praenti> not sliding
23:31 < fake> gliding?
23:31 < praenti> mensch was heißt gleich wieder segeln
23:31 < praenti> yes
23:32 < esden> sail @ praenti 
23:32 < fake> i knew what you ment anyway
23:32 < fake> sail nur aufm wasser esden
23:32 < fake> soweit ich weiss
23:32 < praenti> jenau
23:33 < esden> hmm me read that nifty new patch from clifford_away : http://www.rocklinux.org/sources/misc/linux/80-ext23fs-suiddir.patch
23:33 < esden> pretty cool thing ....
23:41 < Mike1> 700eur expensive i will have to pay more than 1000eur to go to 19c3
23:43 < esden> hmm ...
23:43 < esden> ok ... i go home ... cu
23:44 < fake> n8!
23:44 < esden> Mike1: that is even more expensive ...
23:44 < esden> cu
23:45 < fake> <--- watching anime, as the compile started
23:45 < fake> *waves*
23:45 -!- Mike1 [~mike@proxy.informatica.co.cr] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
23:48 * praenti wrote his first mail on linux-kernel. but was a very silly untechnical mail
23:48 < praenti> only to help...
23:53 * praenti going to bed
23:53 < praenti> gn8
23:53 -!- praenti is now known as praenti_ZzZz
23:57 * huebi is burning splack
--- Log closed Wed Apr 17 00:00:16 2002