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00:07 < esden> re hi all
00:07 < tsa> hi esden
00:07 < esden> hi tsa 
00:09 < tsa> hm...i'm curious what will become with sf cvs..
00:10 < tsa> pjotr really is what i would call a hardliner.
00:10 < esden> yepp seems so ...
00:10 < tsa> i guess he won't acccept any changes on the current sf cvs setpu
00:10 < tsa> setup 
00:11 < esden> he defined rxr mail as flame ... this was a pretty extreme mail "core dump sf cvs" ... but it was no flame ...
00:12 < tsa> yes..i know
00:12 < esden> tsa: we will seee ....
00:12 < rxr> Hm? Did a new flame of Pjotr arrived?
00:12 < tsa> i don't understand his opinion on Rene and his disrespect for other people's hard work...
00:12 < esden> nope ... not yet 
00:13 < tsa> rxr: nope, just the old one.
00:13 < esden> but one thing guys keep calm ... 
00:13 < huebi> Perhaps SMP is willing to host th Rock-CVS
00:13 < th> that would be cool
00:13 < tsa> huebi: souds good.
00:13 < tsa> +n
00:14 < huebi> 1.4.0 is Bitkeeper on download.rocklinux.de
00:14 < huebi> +in
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00:14 < esden> re clifford_away 
00:15 < tsa> re clifford_away
00:15 < tsa> can't afford a reverse lookup? ;)
00:15 < esden> hmm ... he got only a reconnect ...
00:15 < tsa> huebi: hm...i've got no experince with bitkeeper...
00:15 * huebi doesn't like Bitkeeper. The license is without source
00:16 < esden> tsa: nope ... clifford's isp is to dumb for it ...
00:16 < tsa> hehe
00:16 < esden> he told me that on phone ...
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00:16 < SMP> hmmm
00:17 < tsa> i guess even a shared shell account used by rock developers would be better than sf cvs...
00:17 < esden> SMP: ???
00:17 < SMP> why, what's the problem with sf cvs?
00:17 < rxr> huebi: I also would not like the basic ROCK tree to be in BitKeeper - for the same reasons. If SMP has a repository and exports it via bk or want't to gate ROCK via bk fine - but not the main working tree  ...
00:18 < th> agreed
00:18 < rxr> tsa: nice satement ;-)
00:18 < esden> schonwieder so ne grundsatz diskussion wie auf linux-kernel ...
00:18 < tsa> hehe
00:18 < huebi> fully ack. Only the Licens is the problem.
00:19 < rxr> SMP: the problem is not cvs - it is a outstanding tree which gets no pushes to the tree maintainer - and not used by others ...
00:19 < esden> mir geht es langsam auf die nerven tut mir leid ...
00:19 < tsa> SMP: as pointed out in my mail.... package/package is ugly.
00:19 < SMP> rxr: why do you think another cvs would be used more?
00:20 < SMP> tsa: read my answer?
00:20 < huebi> fuer esden :
00:20 < huebi>  
00:20 < huebi> 15:36 < huebi>         /* Amuse the user. */
00:20 < huebi> 15:36 < huebi>         printk(
00:20 < huebi> 15:36 < huebi> "              \|/ ____  \|/
00:20 < tsa> SMP: jupp.
00:20 < huebi> 15:36 < huebi> "              "@'/ ,. \ `@"
00:20 < huebi> 15:36 < huebi> "              /_| \__/ |_\
00:20 < SMP> tsa: so?
00:20 < rxr> tsa: yes - but this is only a visible side uglyness ...
00:20 < huebi> 15:36 < huebi> "                 \__U_/
00:20 < huebi>  
00:20 < esden> huebi du bist unmueglich *lach*
00:20 < rxr> SMP: I do not think another CVS will get used more - and I never said we need another CVS somewhere ...
00:21 < huebi> esden: Only pure kernel code
00:21 < rxr> huebi: really!
00:21 < SMP> so why argue about the rock-intel-sf?!
00:21 < rxr> I? never?
00:21 < esden> sorry ... my mood is nearing the 0 point today ... from the bottom ...
00:23 < tsa> SMP: i don't have very much experience with cvs. i don't consider myself a core developer, but imho the confusing sf cvs setup holds other people back from taking over packages.
00:24 < tsa> so more and more packages get unmaintained.
00:24 < SMP> so what do you suggest we do?
00:24 < th> what about backup at sf?
00:25 < esden> tsa: that is not the problem ... the problem is that nobody knows how to maintain them there ... and the lack of time ...
00:25 < tsa> SMP: an easily understandable setup that allows common work to be done and which allows package maintainers access to their packages is needed.
00:25 < esden> the last post applies at least at myself
00:25 < rxr> th: what backup
00:26 < huebi> 00:24 < tsa> SMP: i don't have very much experience with cvs. <- With a fully controllable CVS tree you can make mistakes and learn a lot without messing up everything "unwiederbringbar"
00:26 < th> rxr: you name it
00:26 < rxr> th: for what do you need a backup?
00:26 < tsa> SMP: i took me 2 hours to figure out that cvs doesn't allow directories to be deleted. i could have done other useful work in the meantime...
00:27 < th> rxr: for not losing all rcs data
00:27 < SMP> be constructive!
00:27 < huebi> tsa: I know sombody who needed 3 weeks to check in a tree
00:27 < SMP> I know that CVS sucks.
00:27 < th> tsa: directories can be deleted by writing mail to sf-support
00:27 < esden> tsa: that is a known problem ...
00:27 < SMP> I even know _why_.
00:27 < rxr> th: *lol*
00:28 < th> rxr: yea. for real. i did it. i takes 2 days
00:28 < tsa> esden: this is not a problem - this is what i would call a design flaw.
00:28 < SMP> I know that the sf cvs is badyl done!
00:28 < esden> tsa: do you know the history of cvs ?
00:28 < th> i was doing maths homework in history...
00:28 < tsa> esden: no...but it probably evolved from sccs/rcs
00:28 < rxr> You only need to take a look into the first pages of the manual to knwo the history ...
00:29 < esden> tsa: ok go to the net make your homework ...
00:29 < tsa> esden: aye, aye, sir! on my way.. ;)
00:29 < esden> ;-)
00:29 < esden> no offense here ... ;-)
00:31 < rxr> SMP: the last work about the sf cvs for today: If some people like to use CVS in private, or for some package / repositories this is fine - as long as the chagnes get all pushed into the relevant ROCK main trees (Huebi/Cliff). Where the latest versions, all fixes can be found. 
00:32 < SMP> rxr: my answer to your last mail is now through the list
00:33 < esden> $rxr =~ s/work/word/    ???  
00:35 < rxr> esden: sure.
00:35 < rxr> SMP: ? the last one is Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 22:39:00 +0200
00:36 < SMP> no, Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 00:24:03 +0200
00:36 < rxr> ah I'll wait . . .
00:36 < huebi> Everybody knows after working for a while with cvs, it should/must/can be made better. But it works and is GPL. SF cvs has the problem that I need support from sf. I don't know and trust their backup so I better take mine. And if I or somebody else makes a mistake there is no problem to restore everything.
00:37 < tsa> ack.
00:39 < th> ack.
00:40 < th> but in spite of this... perhaps we could provide huebi with a faster cvs-server?
00:40 < SMP> sorry, before you make statements about CVS, you should get to know it better (I know it suck big time, don't even try to argue). all imports of rock-src into a CVS I have seen so far were obviously done by someone who didn't know what he was doing in the first place.
00:41 < SMP> all this whining about removing directories is nonsense if you use checkout/update -P
00:41 < th> -dP
00:42 < SMP> for update, yes
00:42 < huebi> SMP: fully ack.
00:43 < rxr> SMP: you know that I know of this switch ...
00:43 < th> SMP: but we can't do backup's of rcs at sf, can we?
00:43 < SMP> th: of course we can!
00:43 < th> how?
00:43 < th> ahh
00:43 < th> shell access?
00:43 < SMP> heck, sf even make a tarball of the CVSROOT available
00:44 < th> hmm, k
00:44 < th> huebi: so your backup argument is void
00:44 < rxr> SMP: and during all checkins to sf cvs I knew what I did ...
00:45 < tsa> SMP: so what about the directory structure on cvs - don't you think well-structured repositories would make things easier than to require all developers to make their own  ~/.cvsrc? 
00:45 < SMP> rxr: I wrote 'import'
00:45 < rxr> SMP: ah ok ;-)
00:46 < SMP> tsa: cvs modules!
00:46 < SMP> I don't blame a cvs user for not knowing about modules, ..
00:46 < SMP> this is something the CVS admin has to care about
00:47 < SMP> tsa: apart from that - you're mixing up problems
00:48 < th> is it possible to grant access by module?
00:48 < th> or dir?
00:49 < SMP> I don't know CVS well enough to answer that.
00:49 < SMP> that's one reason I'm not too eager to host a CVS repository ...
00:49 < th> of course it's possible using user/group permissions or sort of acl...
00:49 < th> but this would be difficult at sf
00:50 < th> SMP: provide the host, i could setup up the cvs then
00:51 < th> permissions may be granted by commitinfo, IIRC
00:51 < rxr> I have so far not seen a way to limit access on a per directory or per file basis ...
00:51 < th> on per directory basis
00:51 < SMP> th: do it on ns0 - get free transfer ;))
00:51 < th> SMP: deal
00:51 < th> SMP: so i'll setup a new ip for that.
00:52 < SMP> th: well we can do that - but
00:53 < SMP> th: huebi will send me a RAID kit for rocklinux.de. it may be wise to use it for the CVS, too ;9
00:53 < th> yes
00:53 < th> we have a machine for that?
00:54 < huebi> One big issue is that we are allmost all beginners with cvs. So arguing about mistakes in cvs is a thing without any sense if the users are still learning how to use it and also use it productive at the same time. Fast restores and direct access without limits is then a must.
00:54 < hackbard> i am a beginner, but i like it :)
00:54 < th> SMP: is rocklinux.de a host or just a vhost?
00:54 < SMP> th: yup, world.wronline.de, already running {sources,bitkeeper,www,download}rocklinux.de ;)
00:54 < hackbard> rxr: do you think the latest snap also builds fine with gcc304 as a default?
00:54 < SMP> s,rock,.rock,
00:55 < th> i see
00:55 < th> SMP: hmmm. perhaps we need a new machine
00:55 < th> SMP: a rock-server
00:55 < SMP> why?
00:55 < rxr> hackbard: the latest snap does not build fully - only almost fully. KDE is missing
00:55 < th> SMP: i think 1HE is not enough for the raid-kit
00:55 < SMP> er
00:55 < hackbard> i dont care about kde
00:55 < th> ;)
00:55 < SMP> the RAID kit is for world ;>
00:55 < th> *jk*
00:55 < SMP> hehe :)
00:55 < SMP> got me ;-O
00:55 < th> of course but do you want cvs-server on world?
00:56 < huebi> and world is _way_ to fast for the 2MBit connection ;))
00:56 < SMP> if it's well done doesn't bother me
00:56 < rxr> hackbard: I do not know how much builds using the gcc-3 you might find out yourself ;)
00:56 < SMP> huebi: only download.rocklinux.de used to be on the E1 line
00:56 < hackbard> rxr: okay, i do
00:57 < huebi> SMP: Ah, yes
00:57 < th> SMP: i think i'll get by next weeks
00:57 < th> SMP: i'm using commitinfo for "by directory permissions" for cvs at fhg
00:59 < SMP> I see. you're welcome ..
00:59 < th> SMP: every committer needs shell account to the server (so i set up a chroot using ssh.com)
00:59 < hackbard> rxr: actually i do care about kde. thast why i asked you to do me a favour last time. i wanted you to compile a programm (which needs kde-libs) statically for me :p
00:59 < SMP> shell accounts are OK, but why chroot?
00:59 < th> hmm... because it's YOUR world?
01:00 < SMP> I don't mind
01:00 < th> great then
01:00 < rxr> hackbard: aah ohh - erm aha ...
01:01 < th> bad thing about not chrooting is that every user could exploit "by directory permissions" by using his shell account directly
01:01 < th> acls could make that harder
01:01 < esden> n8
01:01 < th> cya esden 
01:01 < SMP> th: people I don't trust that far don't get a shell at all
01:01 < tsa> cu esden
01:01 < th> SMP: ok.
01:02 < SMP> people you don't trust that far should not have checkin access ;>
01:02 < SMP> anyway.. I'll go to bed 2nd try
01:03 < th> SMP: at your office next weekend?
01:03 < th> SMP: sat to sun?
01:03 < SMP> don't know for sure, but probably.
01:03 < th> fri to sat i mean
01:03 < th> ok i call you
01:04 < SMP> n8.
01:04 < th> cya SMP 
01:05 < huebi> nacht SMP 
01:06 < tsa> cu SMP
01:06 < hackbard> oh, there are now diffrent methods of flist creation available
01:12 < rxr> SMP: still awake?
01:12 < th> he is awake
01:14 < rxr> th: but not in front of is terminal ;-)
01:14 < rxr> ok - then the mail goes out ...
01:14 < th> aehm
01:14 < th> s/awake/away/
01:16 < rxr> th: ic ...
01:17 < th> rxr: so what about qt?
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01:17 < jonath[an]> hi
01:17 < huebi> hi jonath[an] 
01:20 < jonath[an]> hi huebi
01:21 < rxr> need still to check it
01:21 < rxr> (too much cvs discussion ...)
01:22 < th> yes. so i asked again now that the cvs discussion calms down
01:23 < th> i would like to have a fast solutions.
01:23 < huebi> rxr: Yes, but with a very interesting "Ergebnis": CVS will be on cvs.rocklinux.de with best support which is possible
01:23 < th> because i just wanted to upgrade to 1.5.14 because of 3.0.0 bugs. (font errors)
01:23 < th> but without non-mt libs that's not possible
01:24 < th> rxr: i'm talking about 1.5er tree
01:25 < th> rxr: and shouldn't we move QTDIR from /usr to something more version-specific?
01:25 < th> rxr: multiple qt-installations are very hard if one installation puts it's libs to /usr/lib
01:26 < th> /usr/lib/qt-${ver} should be ok
01:26 < hackbard> why do you need multiple versons?
01:26 < th> hackbard: different applications need different versions
01:26 < hackbard> oh
01:27 < th> hackbard: and the need of building static-linked executables with different version of qt included
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01:27 < jonath[an]> cant i use newer libs for using with old apps?
01:27 < jonath[an]> i say, just update libs
01:28 < jonath[an]> or this is just in qt?
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01:28 < jonath[an]> tuanis Mike1
01:29 < th> jonath[an]: imagine i wan't to link (dynamicly) against qt-2.x.y
01:29 < jonath[an]> umm, i=ok, i understand
01:29 < th> jonath[an]: it's hard to do so if libqt.so.3 is available in /usr/lib
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01:29 < th> ok
01:31 < hackbard> i have never been in such a situation
01:31 < th> well, the developers at fhg (where i'm installing rock) are
01:32 < hackbard> but lets say you have it under /usr/lib/qt-$ver . then you have to adjust  ld.so.conf depending on whih libs to use, right ?
01:32 < th> no
01:32 < th> there is the QTDIR environment variable
01:32 < hackbard> oh i see
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01:34 < jonath[an]> the QTDIR is set in the /etc/profile in Rock, right?
01:34 < th> rxr: that way we could handle the mt-problem too. we could have /usr/lib/qt-mt-3.0.3/ and /usr/lib/qt-3.0.3
01:34 < th> rxr: would that be a problem with the k*-stuff-build-process?
01:34 < th> jonath[an]: QTDIR is not needed if installed with prefix=/usr
01:34 < huebi> p2open <- in which library do I find this funktion? It should be in glibc(?). I have to include libgen.h. But it doesn't link correctly :( 
01:34 < jonath[an]> th: thnx, ok
01:35 < th> i even don't know p2open
01:36 < th> rxr: still with us?
01:36 < huebi> It's like popen but with 2-way communication between child and parent.
01:36 < rxr> huebi: stdio.h
01:36 < rxr> th:  yes
01:37 < rxr> th: no - this would craete extreme bload due to duplictae headers, libs and build time ...
01:38 < hackbard> hackbard@hackstation:~/audio$ nm /lib/libc.so.6 | grep p2open
01:38 < hackbard> hackbard@hackstation:~/audio$ 
01:38 < rxr> th: and it would not work, unless you manually specify the KDE dir for each package 
01:38 < th> rxr: perhaps the headers for mt and non-mt just differ as they do for static/shared?
01:38 < rxr> th: I think no - I'll investigate this in my next few minute (oh my) and provide a clean fix
01:39 < rxr> th:  I also think that the last qt version did build both
01:39 < th> rxr: ok thanks
01:39 < th> rxr: and what about moving it to /usr/lib/qt-${ver} without duplicating?
01:40 < th> so it would be more easy to have to qt-versions installed
01:40 < huebi> The Ultra5 is raelly a little bit slow. The recommended patch cluster installs since 3h
01:40 < rxr> th:  wo hast du das mit den zewi builds gelesen?
01:40 < th> trolltech in den archives.. mom
01:40 < rxr> tsa: fine
01:41 < rxr> rm my last post - sorry
01:42 < hackbard> brb
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01:43 < th> http://lists.trolltech.com/qt-interest/2001-12/thread00238-0.html
01:44 * rxr next cvs mail is out - time consuming shit ...
01:45 < th> rxr: ich denke mal man muss das mt und non-mt gut trennen.
01:46 < rxr> URL?
01:46 < th> welcher URL?
01:46 < th> interessant auch das:
01:46 < th> http://lists.trolltech.com/qt-interest/2002-03/thread00887-0.html
01:47 < rxr> th: the 2.x.y version I had in dRock built both:
01:47 < rxr> http://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/stable/1.4.1/drock-i586-1.4.1/info/flists/qt
01:47 < th> rxr: but the 3.x.y doesn't seem to do this
01:48 < th> und wegen den unterschiedlichen libqui sollte man es wohl trennen
01:49 < th> und gerade damit man auch die 2er noch problemlos installieren kann waere ich fuer nicht /usr als prefix
01:49 < rxr> th: but there is not answer to the URL you posted - have you a mail where a QT gure says s.th. ?
01:49 < th> das schiebt sich sonst immer wieder vor (die libs) wenn man was configuriert / linkt
01:49 < th> rxr: no
01:49 < rxr> th: wir hard-coden keine prefixes mehr in 1.7 ...
01:49 < th> rxr: but it's enough to know that the libs differ
01:50 < th> rxr: ich red ja im moment noch von 1.5 bei 1.7 braucht man sich ueber die prefixe keine gedanken mehr machen (zumindest was das hier betrifft)
01:50 < rxr> th: wieso? nur weil alle methodenaufrufe nen lock (mutex - whatever) habe sind die trotzdem voll binaer-kompatibel ...
01:50 < th> sicher?
01:51 < rxr> wenn die nicht noch mehr machen ...
01:51 < th> dann muesste man ja auch einfach die libqt per symlink auf libqt-mt zeigen lassen
01:51 < rxr> das will ich ja gerade herausgfinden - mir ansehen
01:51 < jonath[an]> um, clifford_away is here
01:51 < jonath[an]> bye
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01:52 < rxr> das sollte (falls die wie gesagt nicht noch mehr machen) tuen - schoener && schneller waere ein lock-free version fue progs die eh kein mutlri-threading nutzen ...
01:52 < th> das wuerde doch dann zusaetzliche non-mt libs bedeuten?!
01:54 < rxr> ja sicher - tat doch wunderbar
01:54 < rxr> die programme linken ja nur gegen eine
01:54 < rxr> und die header sollte sich nicht unterscheiden
01:54 < rxr> (ja ja ja ich schaue es mir gleich an ...)
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01:59 < Mike1> re
01:59 < rxr> Moin Mike1 
01:59 < Mike1> moin rxr 
01:59 * rxr untaring qt-3.0.3
01:59 < Mike1> guess what?
01:59 < Mike1> i'm running linux on my Ultra 5
01:59 < Mike1> :D
02:00 < rxr> Yeah! Juhuh!
02:00 < rxr> Mike1: and how does it feel?
02:00 < Mike1> rxr definitly great
02:00 < Mike1> i had to change silo.conf manualy
02:00 < rxr> and, fast?
02:01 < rxr> Mike1: hehe
02:01 < Mike1> because it wouldnt have the partition=.. file
02:01 < Mike1> and yes it feels really fast and stable
02:02 < Mike1> i'm certainly having a lot of fun right now
02:02 < hack^mobile> :)
02:02 < Mike1> i'm still trying to configure my video, and i am compiling my kernel
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02:02 < Mike1> yo hack^mobile :)
02:03 < Mike1> hack ./version Mike1 
02:03 < hack^mobile> yo miguel :) - nice to hear that!
02:03 < rxr> th: -> to query
02:03 < Mike1> thanks i will set it up on a public ip so so can login 
02:03 < hack^mobile> ah, i wanted to show you something @ Mike1
02:03 < hack^mobile> cool
02:04 < Mike1> hack^mobile whats that
02:04 < hack^mobile> hackdaworld.dyndns.org:1080/bunker/video/ibm/heist60.mpeg
02:05 * Mike1 grrrr my video isn't working yet
02:05 < th> wgetting
02:05 < Mike1> hack^mobile please mail it to me so i can have a look at it as soon as i get done configuring my video
02:06 < hack^mobile> oh, okay !
02:07 < Mike1> damn this aint working :(
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02:12 * Mike1 jumping like crazy in the office
02:14 < tsa> ok, i'm going to sleep.
02:14 < tsa> cu
02:14 < rxr> n8
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02:15 < Mike1> night th 
02:15 < Mike1> *tsa
02:17 < Mike1> my video isn't working !!!!!!!!!!!!
02:17 < th> hack^mobile: it's not complete the movie, is it?
02:17 < hack^mobile> it schould!!
02:18 < hack^mobile> root@mobile:/mnt/lfs/rock/rock-src-1.7.0-DEV-200204151232# du -h /mnt/bunker/video/ibm/heist60.mpeg 
02:18 < hack^mobile> 5.1M	/mnt/bunker/video/ibm/heist60.mpeg
02:18 < th> 1.8M
02:18 < th> 02:12:25 (13.98 KB/s) - `heist60.mpeg' saved [5303308/5303308]
02:18 < th> strange
02:19 < th> Cannot write to `heist60.mpeg.1' (No space left on device).
02:19 < hack^mobile> aha :)
02:23 < Mike1> huebi are you here?
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02:26 < Mike1> cu all
02:26 < rxr> cu
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02:28 < hack^mobile> grrr
02:29 < hack^mobile> rxr: still awake?
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02:35 < rxr> jups
02:36 < hack^mobile> habe mir das neue snap geholt, dann brach er bei bzip2 ab, wurde upgedated. dann habe ich Download -required ausgefuehrt, er geht nun alle pacjages durch und macht folgendes:
02:36 < hack^mobile> Downloading download/x11/kdeutils/kdeutils-3.0.tar.bz2 ...
02:36 < hack^mobile> Finished downloading 321 bytes in 5.298 seconds (60.589 bytes/sec). 
02:36 < hack^mobile> cksum-test (bzip2): download/x11/kdeutils/kdeutils-3.0.tar.bz2
02:36 < hack^mobile> bunzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
02:36 < hack^mobile> Cksum ERROR: download/x11/kdeutils/kdeutils-3.0.tar.bz2.cksum-err (4294967295)
02:37 < hack^mobile> bis dahin hat er aber gut mit denen gebaut, aslo mueesen die files ordentich sein
02:38 < rxr> mom
02:44 < jonath[phone]> bye
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02:46 < rxr> hack^mobile: I can reproduce this
02:47 < rxr> The document has moved <A HREF="http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/.admin/missing/server.php?name=GD.TUWIEN.AC.AT">here</A>.<P>
02:47 < rxr> does the rest of kde download ?
02:47 < hack^mobile> hmm, i killed it .... i downloaded everything before ... it moves all my files to *.cksum-err
02:48 < hack^mobile> now
02:52 < rxr> hack^mobile: are you sure you do not use a mirror ... ???
02:53 < hack^mobile> i just run Download -required, curl is seraching fro a mirror
02:53 < hack^mobile> i try without using one, lets see
02:55 < hack^mobile> okay, i see, his is workin
02:56 < rxr> the file is not yet mirrored ...
02:59 < hack^mobile> ah, i see
02:59 < hack^mobile> thanks!
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03:39 < hackbard_> is there already a bug for the 24h bug? :)
03:39 < hackbard_> err patch
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03:56 < hack^zZ> n8
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07:48 < bluefire> moin
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10:03 < huebi> moin
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10:07 < fake> morning everybody
10:09 < huebi> moin fake 
10:09 < fake> na, was laeuft
10:10 < huebi> Ich bin muede und habe gerade 1h30 Stauschau auf der Autobahn hinter mir...
10:10 < fake> eh-eh-eh... ich hab heute mal auf die uhr geschaut. ich brauche genau 10 min. von meiner wohnung in die arbeit :)
10:10 < huebi> Warning: Coffe not found. Operator haltet.  brb
10:11 < fake> *slurp* *aawwww*
10:11 < huebi> mein Rekord liegt bei 21 min fuer 57km ...
10:11 < fake> o_O das darfst aber keinem erzaehlen!
10:12 < huebi> /dev/operator restored.
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10:13 < huebi> hi bluefire 
10:13 < fake> aloha!
10:14 < bluefire> re.
10:15 * bluefire had crash on account of inserting a 8cm cdrom into his laptop.... arrgh.
10:16 < huebi> so, ich habe jetzt ein script, mit dem ich MySQL automatisch compilieren und danach starten kann. Jetzt geht's ans Datenbank konfigurieren.
10:16 < huebi> mal sehen, wie das funktioniert.
10:17 * huebi RTFMd ;)
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10:19 < Bevin> hi
10:20 < huebi> good morning Bevin!
10:23 < esden> hi all
10:24 < huebi> huhu esden 
10:24 < esden> schuenen guten morgen ;-)
10:24 < esden> has everybody calmed down now ??
10:26 < fake> moin esden
10:27 < esden> moin fake 
10:28 < esden> uiii langer scrollback ... schonwieder so viel lesen ....
10:30 < fake> >_< einer aus meiner Arbeit ist mit Patricia Kelly verheiratet ...
10:31 < huebi> wer ist Patricia Kelly?
10:31 < fake> kelly family?
10:31 < huebi> axo
10:35 < huebi> Ich habe eine mail bekommen. Als Anhang eine CVS.Echse - Bloedes exchange geraffel verlangt nach so etwas.
10:41 < esden> humm ... 
10:43 < huebi> It's time for a small, fast to understand, rock cvs Howto
10:48 < fake> <-- smoking
10:49 * huebi *hust*
10:50 < esden> huebi: fully ack !!!
10:50 < esden> that is what i wanted also to say in my mail ...
10:50 < esden> dunno if it could be understand ...
11:01 < fake> wie kann ich von ro in rw remounten?
11:02 < fake> und: YES! DEVFS funzt im 2.4.18er MIPS kernel *FREU*
11:02 < bluefire> fake: -o remount,rw?
11:03 < fake> jo, danke.
11:03 < fake> man sollte man lesen :)
11:13 < esden> fake: *handreich* 
11:13 < fake> shit!
11:13 < esden> dass ist geil dass es geht !!!
11:13 < fake> was mach ich denn da...
11:13 < fake> ja, nur...
11:13 < fake> jetzt muesste ich alle device-nodes auf der platte loeschen
11:14 < fake> *arghl*
11:14 < fake> und vi funktioniert uerbder die serial line nich gscheid
11:17 < huebi> fake: Glueckwunsch!
11:21 < hack^zZ> moin zusammen
11:21 < esden> wie war dass huebi ? Herzlichen Gluehstrumpf gell ?
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11:21 < huebi> esden: Jo
11:21 < huebi> ;))
11:22 < esden> hehe ;-)
11:22 < fake> huebi hat heute burtzeltag?
11:24 < esden> looool ich finde die letzte mail von th so geil !!! lool
11:25 < esden> nene fake dass war apropos : "[11:17] < huebi> fake: Glueckwunsch!"
11:32 < fake> axo.
11:32 < fake> hm, jetzt hab ich aber mist gemacht.
11:33 < fake> dvhtool --vh-remove linux
11:33 < fake> auf meinem P3-600 >_<
11:34 < fake> und jetzt haengen sowohl die indigo2 als auch der rechner von dem aus ich minicom machen ...
11:34 < fake> *argh*
11:34 < fake> d.h. ich kann erst um 17:30 weitermachen
11:34 < fake> SHIT
11:35 < esden> autsch ...
11:35 < esden> was ist dvhtool ???
11:36 < fake> schreibt ecoff files in den SGI volume header damit man was zum booten hat
11:37 < esden> ohhh ... und dass hast du auf die platte daines ix86 geschrieben ...
11:38 < fake> naja, ich denke mal nicht dass es wirklich funktioniert hat weil ich ja gar kein sgu disklabel hab
11:38 < esden> hmm hoffmas ...
11:39 < esden> ich bastel dann weiter an dem scheduler von hp
11:39 < fake> hp?
11:39 < fake> haumichbissich plute?
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11:41 < fake> hi freed
11:41 < freed> hi @all
11:41 < freed> hi fake
11:43 < esden> fake: so in der art ... die haben einen patch fuer linux rausgebracht der es erlaubt prozesse an processor gruppen zu binden .... leider haben die seid einem jahr den nicht mehr upgedated und der geht nicht mit aktuellen kerneln ...
11:43 < esden> also hoeher 2.4.6 oder so
11:44 < esden> ich versuche den zum laufen zu bringen ...
11:45 < esden> aja der patch kann noch eins
11:45 < esden> du kannst mit dem deinen alternativen scheduler im kernel als plugin einbauen ... ;-)
11:46 < esden> ich glaube dass es ein lustiges spielzeug an der uni werden kann ... ;-)
11:47 < fake> sweet!
11:47 < esden> wenn ich dass schaffe dann bekommen wir fuer rocklinux ne SMP maschine von lrz als dedicated compile server gestellt ;-)
11:47 * fake macht grade platz auf dem P4-1,9-1GB_RAM für ROCK
11:47 < fake> 1,5 GB RAM
11:48 < fake> nur fuer compiles
11:48 < fake> *gg*
11:48 < esden> urgh ...
11:48 < fake> hm, gute idee... mal sehen ob es bei mosix neuigkeiten gibt
11:48 < esden> dann kannst die compile in ramdisk option von rocklinux ausprobieren ;-)
11:49 < esden> aja ... vielleicht bekommen wir dann auch ein cluster zietbeschrenkt zum testen zur verfuegung gestellt ;-)
11:49 < huebi> esden: dev/shm geht indie Hose, d.h. ist bei 1GB noch zu klein (mozilla oder nautilus IIRC)
11:50 < esden> hmm schade ...
11:51 < freed> hi huebi funzt nun ftp ?
11:53 < SMP> Moin
11:53 < freed> hi
11:53 < huebi> moin SMP 
12:01 < esden> moin SMP 
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12:08 < praenti_fh> moin
12:08 < huebi> moin praenti_fh 
12:08 < freed> hi
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12:11 < netcrow> hi
12:13 < esden> moin praenti_fh , netcrow 
12:13 < huebi> hi netcrow 
12:14 < esden> mich regt jetzt der vim auf ...
12:14 < esden> dass kann doch nicht sein ....
12:15 < huebi> esden: alais vim="emacs" ?
12:15 < huebi> hehe
12:16 < huebi> alias grep="grep -v" ist auch klasse
12:19 < netcrow> esden: was los mit vim?
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12:20 < netcrow> hi
12:22 < fake> hi smp, hi netti, hi praenti
12:24 < netcrow> hi fake
12:25 * netcrow schaut mal nach was die kernel-küche so neues hat
12:27 < esden> gaehn ...
12:28 < esden> mich kotzt an dass ich nicht weiss wie man teile die man im visual mode ausgewaehlt hat in eine andere datei speichert ...
12:28 < esden> dass regt mich an vim auf
12:29 < esden> *streck*
12:29 < esden> ich hasse per hand patchen ....
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12:30 < holyolli> hi
12:31 < freed> [root@performer s701418]# sshd -d -p443
12:31 < freed> debug1: sshd version OpenSSH_2.3.0p1
12:31 < freed> debug1: Seeding random number generator
12:31 < freed> debug1: read DSA private key done
12:31 < freed> debug1: Seeding random number generator
12:31 < freed> debug1: Bind to port 443 on 0.0.0.0.
12:31 < freed> error: Bind to port 443 on 0.0.0.0 failed: Permission denied.
12:31 < freed> fatal: Cannot bind any address.
12:31 < freed> fuck sorry
12:35 < huebi> freed verbessert seine stats ;>
12:36 < huebi> hi holyolli 
12:36 < holyolli> moin huebi
12:36 < freed> lol
12:37 < huebi> http://www.esden.net/rocklinux/ircstats/ <- esden und ich sollten Buecher schreiben ;>
12:37 < freed> hehe
12:37 < huebi> esden - der neue Konsalik ?
12:40 < esden> lool stimmt ;-))
12:40 < esden> ich hasse die kernel developer .... arrrrrggggghhh
12:41 < esden> wo haben die den scheiss versteckt ... die deck... ....
12:41 < esden> sorry ... 
12:41 < huebi> Reich-Ranitzki - im IRC verschollen.
12:41 < huebi> Auf den Spuren des esden.
12:41 < netcrow> *lol*
12:42 < esden> rofl !!!!
12:42 < esden> huebi du bist unschlagbar ... rofl !
12:42 < huebi> esden: Danke
12:43 < esden> ich kuler gleich unter dem tisch
12:43 < huebi> ! Macht auch so richtig Spass hier.
12:43 < esden> huebi: dass freut mich ;-)
12:43 * -> esden lacht immer noch
12:44 * -> esden schaut sich um ...
12:44 < esden> ich frage mich wieso mich die leute hier so komisch anschauen ...
12:45 < freed> schau mal in den spiegel ;-)
12:45 < huebi> esden: Die denken bestimmt: " Gleicht tickt der richtig aus, das kann doch nicht sein. Spass am Computer."
12:45 < freed> hehe
12:45 < holyolli> esden: wo bist du denn gerade?
12:46 < esden> nee dass mache ich lieber nicht ... dass kuennte tuetlich enden @ freed 
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12:46 < esden> ich bin in der uni ...
12:46 < holyolli> *lol!*
12:46 < esden> im laptopraum ...
12:46 < holyolli> .oO(also müssen wir jetzt alle esden zum lachen bringen...!)
12:46 < huebi> holyolli: au Jaaa
12:46 < holyolli> esden hat doofe ohren!
12:46 < huebi> ;)
12:46 < holyolli> ;)
12:46 < esden> neeeeeeiiiiinnnnn !!!!
12:47 < esden> holyolli: dass ist nicht lustig ... ich weiss dass ich doofe ohren habe ... mennoooo ... ;_;
12:47 < huebi> esden hat eingruenes Ohr, alle sehen es, nur er nicht. ;))
12:47 -!- hack^uni [~zirkelfr@inpph012.Student.Uni-Augsburg.DE] has joined #rocklinux
12:47 < esden> hi hack^uni 
12:48 < huebi> esden: Deine Ohren sind schoen! ...nur dieses Gruen....
12:48 < holyolli> <-- hat esden nicht soo detailreich in erinnerung...
12:48 < hack^uni> moin esden
12:48 < freed> hi
12:48 < esden> lol 
12:48 < holyolli> *hmm* mal google bildsuche fragen
12:48 < esden> holyolli: viel erfolg ;-)
12:48 < holyolli> *ROTFL*
12:48 < holyolli> http://images.google.com/images?q=esden&hl=en&sa=N&tab=wi
12:49 < esden> neeeeiiiiinnnnn !!!
12:49 < holyolli> schon nett, was google alles so weiss ,)
12:49 < esden> ich bin sogar in google dass kann doch nicht wahr sein !!!!
12:50 < holyolli> <-- hat einfach nur "esden" eingegeben"
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12:50 < freed> cipher.c:497: `EVP_CIPH_CBC_MODE' undeclared (first use in this function)
12:50 < freed> cipher.c:497: `EVP_CIPH_VARIABLE_LENGTH' undeclared (first use in this function)
12:50 < freed> cipher.c:498: `EVP_CIPH_ALWAYS_CALL_INIT' undeclared (first use in this function)
12:50 < freed> make: *** [cipher.o] Error 1
12:50 < freed> ach man
12:50 < freed> zeckt mich an
12:51 < esden> ich bin einfach zu bekannt !!!
12:51 < holyolli> esden: ist Stanis³aw Esden-Tempski nen verwanter von dir?
12:51 < esden> ja
12:52 < esden> ein weit entfernter onkel
12:52 < holyolli> .oO(google ist ganz schon gesprächig und informativ...weia!
12:52 < esden> ich kenne ihn aber nicht persuenlich ...
12:52 < holyolli> ah
12:53 < esden> der hat mir esden.com weggeschnappt der ... grr
12:53 < netcrow> holt dir halt esden.sex *g*
12:53 < huebi> Stanis?aw Esden-Tempski ist auch ein Vielschreiber. Das liegt bei esden in der Familie!
12:53 < holyolli> *fg*
12:55 < huebi> Die Familie Esden-Tempski - Das weltweite Waldsterben hat endlich eine Erklaerung.
12:55 < huebi> Soo viel Papier
12:56 < esden> lool
12:57 < netcrow> *lol*
12:57 < netcrow> man, das irssi macht immer ein lol mit übergewicht..
12:58 < esden> netcrow: was will ich mit .sex ... dann faehlt es mir dann noch mehr wie jetzt .. weil ich daran denken muss ;-)
12:58 < esden> netcrow: dass ist doch cool
12:59 < esden> wie meinst du uebergewicht ?
12:59 < netcrow> es machts so fett
12:59 < netcrow> ****
12:59 < esden> ja dass ist cool
12:59 < esden> was hast da fuer ein prob damit ?
13:00 < hack^uni> besser als das 'u und 'r beim xchat :)
13:00 < hack^uni> you are
13:00 < esden> looool
13:00 < netcrow> man, jetzt hab ich wieder den patch befehl vergessen
13:01 < esden> patch @ netti ...
13:01 < netcrow> ja
13:01 < esden> einfach patch tippen ...
13:01 < netcrow> cat patch | patch -p0 ziel ?
13:02 < esden> cd ziel; cat patch | patch -p1
13:02 < netcrow> stimmt
13:02 < esden> oder -p0
13:02 < netcrow> hab grad man gemacht *g*
13:02 < netcrow> getippt, gemacht hats wer anders ;)
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13:04 < term_emu> re
13:05 < netcrow> hi
13:05 < holyolli> hi term_emu
13:06 < fake> *yawns*
13:16 < esden> hi term_emu 
13:17 < freed> kann ich denn mal was blödes fragen?
13:18 < fake> hast du grade :)
13:18 < esden> ja schiess los @ fake 
13:18 < fake> also gehe ich davon aus dass du es kannst ;)
13:18 < fake> esden: baka!
13:19 < netcrow> hm, ich find den bttv-dings net..
13:19 < netcrow> im kernel 2.4.18
13:19 < freed> lol ja, also ich arbeite hauptsächlich mit freebsd und nun sitze ich hier vor einem redhat
13:19 < fake> net> du musst i2c unter character devices aktivieren
13:19 < esden> ich hasse dass auf intelligent machen von irssi
13:19 < netcrow> ah, ok, danke
13:20 < freed> gibs da ne möglichkeit das system schnell upzudaten?
13:20 < freed> diese blöden abhängigkeiten
13:21 < fake> <-- RedHat verachter
13:21 < fake> i dunno
13:21 < freed> lol
13:21 < netcrow> freed: es gibt son onlineupdatedingends
13:21 < netcrow> glaub ich
13:21 < freed> mmh
13:21 < fake> kostet 10$ pro paket ;)
13:22 < netcrow> ich habs in der arbeit durch das wget system ersetzt ;-)
13:22 < freed> fuck vergiss die scheisse
13:22 < freed> dann mach ich den lieber platt
13:22 < huebi> freed: Du brauchst _vorher_ das rocklinuximage
13:22 < netcrow> das ding hieß glaub ich you oder so
13:23 < freed> ja, rocklinux brauch ich daheim. obwohl dann kann ich ja rocklinux gleich mit rxr in der fh aufsetzen
13:24 < freed> und redhat kommt runter ;)
13:24 < hack^uni> later ..
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13:25 < freed> chuck freut sich auch schon ...
13:30 < esden> urgh ...
13:36 < freed> kann denn keiner via ftp das rocklinux-iso uppen?
13:36 < freed> von dort aus kann es dann auch weiter verteilt werden
13:37 < holyolli> mh?
13:37 < holyolli> <-- hat grad nicht mitbekommen, um was es geht
13:38 < freed> also ich benötige das rocklinux-iso
13:38 < freed> in der fh haben wir ein webserver laufen. dort habe ich schon ein ftp-acc für rocklinux eingerichtet
13:39 < freed> ja von diesem webserver aus kann es auch verteilt werden
13:40 < huebi> laeuft ftpd auf port 443?
13:40 < freed> nein das ist doch das prob
13:41 < freed> standartd auf port 21
13:41 < huebi> ich kann von hier nur auf port 443 connecten.
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13:42 < holyolli> huebi: soll ich dir grad nen webserver auf 443 geben? ;)
13:42 < freed> ich weiss ;) deswegen frag ich ja alle mal ;)
13:42 < freed> apache+ssl läuft auch
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13:44 < huebi> holyolli: besser ssh. dann kann ich mit scp uploaden. Muss ja nicht jeder wissen, was hier ueber das Netz geht ;))
13:45 < holyolli> hm..also ich kann dir grad nen account auf attila geben 
13:45 < holyolli> (die kiste in der uni bielefeld, wo du schonmal gesaugt hattest ;)
13:46 < huebi> holyolli: Jo, gute Idee. Ich habe den account schon wieder komplett vergessen.
13:46 < holyolli> *fg*
13:50 < holyolli> huebi?
13:50 < esden> cu all 
13:50 < esden> cu l8ter
13:51 < holyolli> cu esden
13:54 < freed> cu
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13:56 < huebi> hi clifford 
13:57 < holyolli> hi clifford!
13:59 < clifford> hi
13:59 < huebi> clifford, wie geht es deinem Arm?
14:00 < clifford> immer besser - war heut bei der letzten roentgenuntersuchung. noch eine weitere woche physiotheraphie und alles sollte wieder heil sein ..
14:00 < holyolli> clifford: was ist denn genau passiert - wenn man fragen darf?
14:01 < clifford> ich bin vom pferd gefallen (geneuer gasagt das pferd hat mich abgeworfen).
14:01 < huebi> das hoert sich sehr gut an. Du scheinst in guter Behandlung zu sein. ;))
14:02 < clifford> huebi: private zusatzversicherungen zahlen sich aus (das mein ich absolut ernst.)
14:02 < huebi> ;)
14:02 < SMP> hehe, ja..
14:03 < SMP> http://www.openbsd.org/songs/ *rock* ;>
14:03 * huebi hatte schon ca 6 Knochenbrueche
14:04 < SMP> ouch
14:05 * clifford hatte bereits 2 brueche im linken handgelenk und einen im rechten, zwei mal rechten unterarm gebrochen und jetzt linken ellenbogen ... bin ich auch schon auf 6 ..
14:05 < huebi> Ich bin seit 2 Tagen dabei mir eine _funktionierende_ Terminplanung zusammenzubauen. Das wird spaetestens morgen fertig sein und dann gibt es endlich eine Rocklinux HP fuer 1.6
14:05 < clifford> btw: alle 3 handgelenksbrueche kommen von snowboarden ..  :-)
14:06 < huebi> bei mir waren es Motorradunfaelle ...
14:07 < clifford> darum fahre ich nicht motorrad (roadster fahren reicht mir.)
14:08 < holyolli> *lol*
14:08 * clifford hatte uebrigens 3 tage bovor er sich den arm gebrochen hat einen autounfall auf der autobahn ..
14:10 < huebi> Ich habe mit den (Verkehrs-)Unfaellen (waren so ca 60) nach einem doppelten Unterkieferbruch und 8 zersplitterten Zaehnen aufgehoert.
14:10 < freed> was 60 unfälle?
14:10 < clifford> autsch!
14:10 < holyolli> args!
14:11 < huebi> Dann hatte ich noch einmal einen Rueckfall mit dem Motorrad und jetzt ist seit ein paar Jahren nichts mehr passiert.
14:11 < clifford> ich hab' bei den verkehrs (bzw. motorsport) unfaellen immer glueck gehabt ..
14:11 < clifford> .. schon so manches blech zerstoert (sicher nicht so viel wie du) aber mir ist nie was passiert ..
14:13 < clifford> auch beim sportklettern hab' ich mir (abgesehen von eine permanenten beleidigung der handgelenke) nie was getan.
14:13 < clifford> aber bei den "ungefaehrlichen dingen" tu' ich mir staendig weh ..  :-)
14:15 < huebi> "Schoenen guten Tag, Ihren Fahrzeug- und Pilotenschein bitte." - "Ehm, hab' ich nicht, wieso?" - "Na, so schnell wie sie ebend im Feierabendverkehr an uns vorbei gefahren sind, muessen Sie geflogen sein. Wie schnell sind sie denn gefahren?" - (Ich war so mit ca 100km/h unterwegs..) "Keine Ahnung. Ich musste mich so auf den Verkehr konzentrieren."
14:16 < holyolli> pilotenschein?
14:16 < SMP> tss
14:16 < huebi> ging halt manchmal in die Hose ;(
14:16 < holyolli> ah
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14:16 < snyke> hi @all
14:16 < holyolli> <-- steht heut auf der leitung... 
14:16 < holyolli> hi snyke
14:16 < huebi> hi snyke 
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14:39 < huebi> holyolli: <AOL> Sie haben Post </AOL>
14:40 < holyolli> *g*
14:40 < holyolli> wo?
14:40 < holyolli> ;)
14:40 < huebi> [huebi@attila huebi]$ ls
14:40 < huebi> rock-intel-i586-base+opt-1.5.14.iso
14:40 < holyolli> au prima :)
14:42 < huebi> huebi@imf001c3:~/tmp$ md5sum rock-intel-i586-base+opt-1.5.14.iso 
14:42 < huebi> 708ea1853c88151d56a279781ad67c25  rock-intel-i586-base+opt-1.5.14.iso
14:46 < snyke> imf001c3?
14:46 < snyke> nice :)
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14:49 < snyke> h´m
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14:50 < holyolli> re clifford
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14:50 < tsa> moin.
14:51 < holyolli> huhu tsa
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14:54 < huebi> hi tsa 
15:02 < rxr_zZ> moin
15:02 -!- rxr_zZ is now known as rxr
15:07 < rxr> anyone here?
15:08 < tsa> rxr: no....we've all died a while ago.. ;-)
15:11 < holyolli> <aol> /me too! </aol>
15:11 < holyolli> ;)
15:12 < huebi> <aol> /me too! </aol>
15:12 < huebi> lol
15:22 < rxr> moin people
15:22 < holyolli> hi rxr
15:40 < rxr> freed: are you awake, too?
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16:11 < rxr> Moin Cliff
16:21 < tsa> jo. 
16:21 < tsa> vermutlich aber nur client-reconnect...
16:43 < rxr> jo
17:00 < huebi> re
17:01 < huebi> Das root-floppy.img ist zu gross. Wenn ich wget weglasse, funktioniert es
17:02 < rxr> huebi: i drock I build a custon wget, bash and s.th I forget to get more onto the install-disks
17:03 -!- jonath[an] [~jvargas@208.165.55.137] has joined #rocklinux
17:03 < huebi> hi jonath[an] 
17:03 < jonath[an]> hi huebi
17:03 < holyolli> ...und wech!
17:03 < holyolli> cu
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17:04 < jonath[an]> heeh
17:06 < huebi> rxr: We've found out that the boot mechanism it something to have a look at in the near future. I will see what I can do. But there are still other more urgend things for me to do (time scedule, rock home page....)
17:06 < rxr> huebi: sure
17:07 < huebi> wget is needed for netinstall, isn't it?
17:07 < rxr> but maybe we should leave it as it is for the 1.6 release, because this results in more changes ...
17:07 < rxr> huebi: yes for the net-install
17:08 < huebi> I will then start with your solution and the new boot mechanism can go into 1.7
17:09 < rxr> The install-disk should still be build in the same file in dRock
17:09 < rxr> subdists/intel/builtit.sh (- the typos ;-)
17:10 < rxr> you might cut'n paste the custom binary rebuild - but I'm not sure if this is eough
17:10 < rxr> I also do some cd-wrapping links to have some binaries on the cd ...
17:11 < huebi> or we can just have one root-image for net-install and one for cd-install.
17:12 < rxr> but then you have to have the right floppy with you - and somehow you have to get the files onto the net-disk, too
17:53 < huebi> ./bin/mysql_setpermission is now working. 
17:54 < huebi> cu later. around 23h00 ;)
17:54 < rxr> bye
17:54 < jonath[an]> bye huebi
17:54 -!- Mike1_ [~mike@proxy.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux
17:54 < Mike1_> hi
17:54 < jonath[an]> hola Miguel
17:55 < jonath[an]> pense que tardaria mas tiempo en verlo de nuevo, ;)
17:55 < Mike1_> jonath[an] i'm certainly pretty busy but i couldn't miss the chance to come over here and test my Ultra 5
17:55 < rxr> Mike1_: what does you Ultra5?
17:56 < Mike1_> rxr in the moment is just my workstation
17:57 < Mike1_> but i am preparing it to work with apache, mysql, sendmail, and bind
17:57 < jonath[an]> Mike1_: ic, kolol
17:57 < Mike1_> it will a production server for the next week i hope
17:57 < Mike1_> clifford nice to see you here, feeling better my friend?
17:58 < tsa> hola Mike1_
17:58 < Mike1_> jonath[an] yup, are you still coming over here bu friday?
17:58 < Mike1_> hola tsa :)
17:58 < clifford> Mike1_: I feel much better ..
17:59 < jonath[an]> Mike1_: if is not a problem, ill do
17:59 < tsa> como te va?
17:59 < jonath[an]> nice clifford
17:59 < Mike1_> clifford great to hear that
17:59 < tsa> clifford: so how does the horse feel now? ;)
17:59 < jonath[an]> Mike1_: could i?
17:59 < Mike1_> tsa muy bien gracias, y tu?
17:59 < jonath[an]> lol
17:59 < tsa> Mike1_: muy bien gracias.
18:00 * Mike1_ bets cliff kicked the horse's ass
18:00 < tsa> hehe
18:00 < clifford> tsa: My horse also feels good (I think).
18:00 < Mike1_> tsa where did you learn spanish?
18:00 < clifford> Mike1_: No - it was not the horses fault (and I don't think you would say something if you would be riding yourself).
18:01 < tsa> Mike1_: i've been in several contries in central and south america...
18:01 < tsa> almost all, i guess.
18:01 < jonath[an]> tsa: cool
18:01 < clifford> s/something/& like that/
18:01 < tsa> costa rice, too..
18:01 < Mike1_> clifford ok sorry
18:01 < tsa> s/e/a/
18:01 < jonath[an]> tsa: so you have seen the treasures in Costa Rica
18:01 < tsa> jonath[an]: sure..
18:02 < Mike1_> tsa wanna come over here with praenti and esden for xmast?
18:02 < tsa> although i've been there several years ago....
18:02 < Mike1_> then we all go back together to 19c3
18:02 < jonath[an]> i have to leave
18:02 < tsa> Mike1_: uh....xmas...i'm not even planning what i'll do next week, and you ask about xmas? ;-)
18:03 < Mike1_> tsa haha
18:03 < jonath[an]> Mike1_: can i visited you this friday ?
18:03 < clifford> Mike1_: no reason to sorry for yourself ..  :-)
18:03 < Mike1_> jonath[an] yes sure, just mail and let me know 
18:03 < fake> re
18:03 < Mike1_> clifford ok good
18:03 < Mike1_> re fake 
18:03 < jonath[an]> ok Mike1_
18:03 < jonath[an]> hi fake
18:03 < tsa> cu jonath[an]
18:03 < jonath[an]> bye all
18:03 < jonath[an]> have a gud day
18:04 < Mike1_> ok guys i need somemore work done see ya guys a couple of hours
18:04 < Mike1_> bye jonath[an] 
18:04 < tsa> cu Mike1_
18:04 < jonath[an]> and keep out of dangerous horses
18:04 < clifford> Mike1_: the horse just lost the balance and felt down. I'm very happy that the horse is ok. My bones heel, but we would have to shoot the horse if his bones would be broken ..
18:04 * jonath[an] jk
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18:04 < tsa> clifford: so you have to be happy they didn't shoot you, hm? ;)
18:05 * tsa doesn't even know how to ride a horse...guess i'd fall in the mud quick...
18:06 < clifford> tsa: Yes. But good luck: I have a better med. insurance than my horse ..
18:06 < tsa> hehe
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18:06 < clifford> tsa: most likely thoe horse would not move and so you would also not fall down.
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18:07 < th> hi
18:07 < tsa> clifford: most probably i wouldn't even manage to get on the horse..
18:09 < clifford> tsa: maybe. That's also very difficult for me ..  :-)
18:10 < th> are there known problems with devfs and isdnlog?
18:10 < tsa> th: no idea - i don't use isdn stuff.
18:12 < tsa> <Be-El> nicht das ich wuesste...
18:12 < tsa> <Be-El> ausser, dass man isdnlog das richtige device angeben muss
18:12 < th> "Be-El" krieg ich den mal im query? ;)
18:13 < tsa> mom...
18:13 < th> --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) ---
18:13 < th> ist was mein isdnlog meint
18:14 < tsa> hm...
18:14 < tsa> mal nen gdb hinterhergejagt?
18:14 -!- Be-El [~blinke@cab.Genetik.Uni-Bielefeld.DE] has joined #rocklinux
18:14 < Be-El> hi ppl
18:15 < th> hi Be-El 
18:15 < tsa> th: bitte sehr.
18:15 < tsa> hi Be
18:15 < netcrow> <- back
18:15 < netcrow> re
18:15 < tsa> -el.
18:15 < tsa> hi netcrow
18:16 < blindcoder> hi
18:20 -!- jonath[away] is now known as jonath[an]
18:20 < jonath[an]> re
18:20 < tsa> welcome back, jonath[an]
18:20 < jonath[an]> thnx tsa
18:24 < fake> question
18:25 < esden> re hi all
18:25 < esden> puhh back home sweet home ...
18:25 < fake> it says that i need devfs to compile rock
18:25 < esden> fake: only for the install disks
18:25 < fake> does it have to be mounted before i start buldsing
18:25 < fake> abd must it be used by the system i build on?
18:25 < fake> or is it enough if i build the module?
18:25 < esden> all other parts of rock should compile withous ... or am I wrong ?
18:26 < fake> so rock build scripts can mount it somewhere into the chroot... ?
18:26 < esden> fake: nop it is not a must to mount it before
18:26 < clifford> Build-All needs it in chroot
18:26 < fake> clif> but it will do a mount itself, right?
18:27 < clifford> so you need a devfs driver in your kernel
18:27 < esden> aha ok 
18:27 < fake> so the system will not have it mounted in /dev
18:27 < clifford> fake: yes.
18:27 < fake> that's what i wanted to hear, thanks ;))
18:27 < clifford> fake: only for building the install disk images
18:27 < esden> I said the same ...
18:27 < esden> tztz
18:27 < clifford> the script needs a loopback-dive for creating the images
18:27 < esden> nobody is beliving me ...
18:28 < esden> hmm ok ...
18:28 < clifford> and is using devfs-style names
18:28 < clifford> you could also change the devnames in the script ..
18:29 < jonath[an]> clifford: da u mean devfs.conf?
18:29 < esden> or usu devfsd or symlinks to simulate a devfs system ...
18:30 < clifford> jonath[an]: no - devfs.conf is useless if you don't have devfs
18:30 < clifford> I ment subdists/install-disks/intel/buildit.sh
18:30 < clifford> from the ROCK Linux sources
18:31 < clifford> (1.5.12, there is no subdist/ tree in 1.7)
18:31 < jonath[an]> clifford: oh, well, in a miss-devfs system, ic
18:34 * -> esden is finishing applying the nasty path to kernel ... I did not think that applying it can be so time consuming ... :-(
18:37 < tsa> esden: which patch?
18:37 < blindcoder> esden> does it compile? work? crash?
18:48 < fake> kernel rebuild on the indigo2 >_< another hour
18:52 < rxr> clifford: have you made a new decission regadring target and distribution? I would like to continue some work in this are - but I do not want to do this several times :-)
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18:53 < clifford> rxr: I thought about it last night and I think I've found a solution.
18:54 < clifford> rxr: pls. wait a few minutes - I'm having a very high load at the moment ...  :-)
18:54 < rxr> sure
19:01 < clifford> rxr: ok - here I am ..  (dada! :-)
19:01 < clifford> I would like to add something like a ./scripts/Create-Iso script.
19:02 < clifford> As parameters we pass the list of targets which should be added to the iso.
19:02 < clifford> E.g.:
19:02 < clifford> to make a "normal" installable CD-Set you would Configure and build the install-disks target and the Generic target.
19:03 < clifford> Then you would type something like:
19:03 < clifford> ./scripts/Create-Iso 1.7.0-DEV-intel-install 1.7.0-DEV-intel-generic
19:04 < clifford> Every target would create a description file for Create-Iso containing all information required by the Create-Iso script.
19:05 < clifford> .. that's it.
19:05 < clifford> rxr?
19:07 < clifford> anyone?
19:07 * jonath[an] still listening
19:07 < clifford> PPPPIIIINNNNGGGG !!!!
19:08 < clifford> :-)
19:08 < fake> pong
19:08 < clifford> fake: wo is' der rene jetzt hin?
19:09 < fake> wos woas i?
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19:09 < clifford> *grr*
19:09 < fake> where can i d/l the latest 1.5 snapshot?
19:10 < rxr> clifford: I back
19:10 < clifford> aha!
19:10 < rxr> read your new init generation on my lappy ...
19:10 < clifford> fake: http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/ (I think)
19:10 < fake> tnx!
19:10 < clifford> rxr: do you like it?
19:10 < rxr> the init stuff of the ISO one?
19:11 < clifford> both.  :-)
19:11 < rxr> hehe. The init generation is ok so far - also I'll modify the nice version a lot ...
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19:11 < Mike1_> re
19:12 * tsa driving home....
19:12 < tsa> cu later.
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19:12 < clifford> rxr: you can always use the IT and IN macros to use different code for both.
19:13 < rxr> I need to meditate about the ISO generation ...
19:13 < clifford> the problem I see with it is that it needs user-interaction.
19:14 < rxr> clifford: I'll examine the init generation further. How would you like to handle the richard gooch and minit alterantives?
19:14 < clifford> It's not possible to build the install-disk and the "normal" distribution with one command.
19:14 < clifford> rxr: Not (at the moment).
19:15 < rxr> clifford: and you have to config twice - once the install-disk and the generic target ... - right?
19:15 < clifford> rxr: After looking at in in detail I don't think that it is usefull to generate those from the same thing.
19:15 < clifford> rxr: yes.
19:16 * praenti_fh is back
19:16 < praenti_fh> hi clifford
19:16 < praenti_fh> esden: are you here?
19:16 < netcrow> esden has been stolen
19:16 < netcrow> *g*
19:16 < clifford> rxr: Init: if you configure another init-style, install_init will be set in an other parse-config file and e.g. use *.minit instead of *.init ..
19:16 < rxr> the install-disk will also only be used for the normal targets (generic, desktop, server) the other targets (rescue, live, surf-station, ...) will create an own bootable image ...
19:17 < clifford> yes. So the Create-Iso script must be able to detect such conflicts.
19:18 < clifford> You cant install e.g. install-disks and surf-station on the same CD because they both do need a boot sector ..
19:19 < fake> netcrow by himself? *g*
19:19 < rxr> so the Cretae-ISO parameter come down to <boot-image> <data-image> ? (with some config-file read from the target dir to pick the right files up)
19:20 < netcrow> fake ;-)
19:20 < clifford> rxr: not really.
19:20 < rxr> ok the parameter <target> [ <target> ] will work when the imeages are read from the config file ...
19:21 < clifford> It would e.g. be also possible to only install 1.7.0-intel-generic without install disks.
19:21 < rxr> s/imeages/$ locations/
19:22 < clifford> yes.
19:22 < clifford> the target would generate some kind of config file.
19:22 < rxr> ok
19:22 < clifford> I would think of the following information stored there:
19:23 < clifford> 1. which files from the target directory should be installed under which names on the CDs
19:23 < clifford> 2. which files should be on the same CDs.
19:23 < clifford> 3. (optional) a el torito boot image
19:23 < snyke> hmm
19:24 < clifford> 4. information for the CD-label
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19:24 < clifford> so it would be possible to e.g. specify 8 diffrent targets.
19:24 < rxr> ok - this will be much work ...
19:25 < clifford> The script would generate something like:
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19:25 < clifford> CD 1 - Install, Generic (1/4)
19:25 < clifford> CD 2 - Surfstation, Generic (2/4)
19:26 < clifford> CD 3 - Router (Cd-bootable), Generic (3/4)
19:26 < clifford> CD 4 - Generic (4/4)
19:26 < clifford> CD 5 - [d]ROCK (1/4)
19:26 < clifford> ...
19:27 < rxr> you mean spreading the different boot images over the CD
19:27 < rxr> 's and fill the rest with package files?
19:27 < clifford> yes. If possible.
19:27 < rxr> clifford: you are crazzy
19:27 < clifford> put as much on one cd as possible.
19:27 < rxr> clifford: but this would be exellent ....
19:28 * clifford is away: .. back in a minute ..
19:29 * praenti_fh is away
19:29 -!- praenti_fh is now known as praenti_away
19:30 < esden> nee re hi all
19:31 < esden> ohh interesting info here
19:31 * -> esden reading scrollback
19:32 * clifford is back (gone 00:04:22)
19:32 < clifford> rxr: It wouldn't be that complicated.
19:33 < clifford> btw - I've already finished the script which detects which packages can be built in paralell.
19:33 < rxr> wow
19:33 < clifford> I'm now doing the first build of the reference target so we have cache files.
19:34 < clifford> rxr: the script is just 86 lines in awk ..
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19:35 < rxr> clifford: So I get into the rescue / install / iso generation code
19:35 < rxr> btw I would also like the resuce target to be bootable (the old one never was, was it?)
19:35 < clifford> rxr: right
19:36 < rxr> should we add the possibility to configure more than one target and then build them automatically (serial or parallel)?
19:36 < clifford> rxr: don't make too much target hacking at the moment. I first want to complete the paralell (cluster) build stuff (which wight change a lot in target/*) ..
19:37 < clifford> rxr: that's easy to hack.
19:37 < clifford> the main problem will be the Download script.
19:38 < clifford> ./scripts/Download -required should download the stuff which is needed to build all configured targets ...
19:38 < rxr> we could run it on each config file / Package file automatically ...
19:39 < esden> wooow ... 
19:41 < clifford> rxr: about todos ..
19:42 * -> esden ready reading scrollback
19:42 < esden> guys you are crazy 
19:42 < esden> and clifford is the most crazy 
19:42 < rxr> ok my todo: - fix kde in 1.7 (currently a tiny libxml problem I never saw before), and start the rescue target and investigate the diet-libc install-disk
19:43 < clifford> esden: that's just what we have discussed on CCC ...
19:43 < esden> but I liyes I know
19:43 < rxr> I allready noticed that the reiserfsprogs do not compile with it
19:43 < rxr> because they need some crazy search stuff ...
19:43 < esden> sure ... but whenever I hear about it I am getting amazed
19:44 < clifford> rxr: forgett the rescue tharget for now ...
19:44 * -> esden is this evening away
19:44 < clifford> imo diet-libc and the packages are more importand at the current stage.
19:44 < esden> and probably i will make havy hacking on weekend first ...
19:44 < rxr> Even fwhen it changes I adapt it ...
19:45 < rxr> then the traget/* stuff changes ...
19:45 < clifford> ok. you have been warned ..
19:45 < clifford> :-)
19:45 * -> esden be back tomorrow morning
19:45 < esden> cu guys
19:45 < rxr> cu
19:45 < clifford> btw - did anyone have a look at the HACKING-HOWTO ?
19:45 < clifford> esden: cu
19:46 < rxr> clifford: what else would be usefull - except waiting for your next modifications ;-)
19:46 < rxr> clifford: the HACKING-HOWTO? does it need updates? ot should be read it?
19:47 < clifford> ARRG! F*CKING X-CHAT .... 
19:47 < jonath[an]> why?
19:48 * clifford just pressed the Up-Key and x-chat droped the todo-list I was typing ..
19:48 < clifford> ok. todos:
19:48 < jonath[an]> lol
19:48 < clifford> a fix for the c++ problem when gcc2 _and_ gcc3 is installed
19:49 < clifford> adding pam as optional package (testing the flexible config system)
19:50 < clifford> adding some _very_ flexible hooks to let architectures modify the way the kernel is build (alternate patches, alternate trees, etc.)
19:50 < fake> are there any 1.5.14 mirrors?
19:51 < fake> or can i use the 1.5.12 mirrors?
19:51 < jonath[an]> http://www.rocklinux.de/snapshots/index.html
19:51 < fake> i ment 1.5.14 not 1.5.12
19:51 < clifford> fake: download.rocklinux.org
19:52 < clifford> also importand todo: fixing packages ..
19:52 < rxr> clifford: please drop the TODOs in the Documentation/Documentation/Developers/TODO flie
19:52 < fake> clif> u sure?
19:52 < clifford> fake: no.
19:52 < rxr> clifford: fixing packages is on the way
19:52 < rxr> clifford: what did you wanted to tell about the HACKING-HOWTO ?
19:52 < fake> .de
19:53 < fake> but theres only 1.5.13 and .12
19:53 < jonath[an]> http://www.rocklinux.de/releases/rock-src-1.5.12.tar.bz2
19:53 * clifford adding stuff to the TODO file ..
19:53 < fake> *argh*
19:53 < fake> how can i port packages without the packages
19:55 * clifford removes stuff from the TODO file which is actually done ..
19:55 < fake> mirror for 1.5.14 anyone?
19:55 < fake> still nothing?
19:56 < clifford> rxr: Ad HACKING-HOWTO: I just wanted to know if anyone did read it already and if it is usefull ..
19:56 < jonath[an]> fake: dunno
19:56 < fake> damn it
19:56 * rxr reading the HACKING-HOWTO
19:56 < fake> i dont want to start porting an outdated version
19:57 < fake> maybe i should port 1.7 ?
19:57 < fake> 1.7-mips ?
19:57 < rxr> fake: feel free ;-)
19:57 < fake> yukai
19:59 < snyke> lol
19:59 < snyke> in #altmuehlnet gehts wieder zu .)
19:59 < rxr> btw, I took a look into the escripts of gentoo - they have no install automatics - and hardcoded dependencies ... :-(
20:01 < clifford> rxr: boring. Maybe they just have to many human-resources .. :-)
20:02 < rxr> clifford:  seems so - they also seem to be x86 only ...
20:02 < clifford> rxr: why having a build system if it's not portable? *confused*
20:04 < rxr> at least all it in a gentoo-x86 CVS tree - and there doesn't seem to be another one ...
20:05 < rxr> clifford: we need definetly more PR and a more structured homepage ;-)
20:05 < rxr> clifford: btw. our glibc has a "gentoo - help to build without optimization" patch - does it s.th. usefull?
20:05 < rxr> clifford: at least with -O0 the glibc doesn't build ...
20:06 < rxr> clifford: during the first cross-read the HACKING-HOWTO look good ;-)
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20:08 < clifford> glibc: ask ripclaw - he sent me that stuff (i think)
20:08 < clifford> HACKING-HOWTO: great!
20:08 < SMP> clifford: kannst du mir vielleicht ein Hotel in der Naehe von Wien empfehlen?
20:09 < clifford> structured homepage: do you think it is really badly structured or missing content or just not looking good ...
20:10 < clifford> SMP: leider nicht (ich war in wien noch nie in einem hotel :-)
20:10 < clifford> SMP: Fuer wann und wie lange denn?
20:10 < jonath[an]> clifford: ur rock.sed script is cool  :)
20:10 < SMP> clifford: keine Ahnung, ist fuer meine Eltern
20:10 < rxr> it look good enough (I do not need any graphic hacks) - but we need more and well structured content
20:10 < fake> how i generate the "Config" file?
20:11 < fake> in 1.7
20:11 < fake> Download complains
20:11 < SMP> clifford: naja, meist hat man halt irgendwie ein Hotel als Kunde ;)
20:11 < rxr> fake: ./scripts/Config
20:11 < fake> >_<
20:11 < SMP> clifford: das kann man dann empfehlen
20:11 < fake> is that in BUILD?
20:11 < rxr> fake: ?
20:12 < fake> Documentation/BUILD
20:12 * rxr taking a look
20:12 < rxr> no
20:13 < rxr> fake: clifford: I can review it
20:13 < fake> *ARGH*
20:13 < rxr> fake: you always have to configure now
20:13 < fake> i can't select the target i'm porting to in scripts/Config  ;)
20:13 < rxr> fake: the ./scripts/Dowload -required download only packages selected for the build
20:14 < fake> i know
20:14 < rxr> fake: the you need to create a new sub-tree in architectures ...
20:14 < fake> mkay
20:20 -!- hack^mobile [~hackbard@port-213-20-152-111.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux
20:20 < hack^mobile> hi
20:21 < jonath[an]> hi hack^mobile
20:22 < fake> are there any docs about what exactly is in the architectures subdir?
20:23 < clifford> fake: not yet. It's still a fixme chapter in the HACKING-HOWTO.
20:23 < clifford> fake: however, you should read the HACKING-HOWTO before starting with the prot ..
20:24 < fake> ... which i can find where?
20:25 < rxr> Documentaion/Developers/HACKIN-HOWTO
20:25 < clifford> Documentation/Developers/
20:25 < fake> tnx
20:27 < rxr> clifford: btw: do we reomve the pritorities then the first reference build was done? ;-)
20:30 < clifford> rxr: no. at least not yet.
20:31 < clifford> rxr: But we might use the cache files to re-generate the priorities ..
20:31 < clifford> (the system should stay build-able even when the cache files are removed.)
20:33 < rxr> clifford: since this are quite redundant, it a removal would also be possible -> and so requireing .cache files ...
20:33 < SMP> *whoah*
20:33 < clifford> SMP: ?
20:34 < SMP> 261 CVS commit notices from Clifford in my =inbox :-O
20:34 < clifford> rxr: how can I require something for a build which can only be generated after a build.
20:34 < clifford> SMP: funny - I've just done a singe cvs commit for 261 files ...
20:35 < rxr> clifford: this is a know bug in the CVS stuff at sf ...
20:35 * clifford added *.cache files to the sourceforge cvs tree ..
20:35 < SMP> clifford: but in 261 directories :>
20:36 < clifford> SMP: yes.
20:36 < rxr> clifford: this was also my argument at 18C3 - but since the first generation .cachge files are present - we could rely on them ...
20:36 < rxr> SMP: many other cvs-mail scripts do only send one mail out in this case ...
20:36 < clifford> SMP: and there will be another 261 notifies as soon as this reference build here ahs completed.
20:36 < SMP> clifford: no problem ;)
20:37 < SMP> rxr: I see
20:37 * clifford only commited empty files now so the entries do exist in the fs tree ..
20:38 < clifford> rxr: I want first wait for the first reference build to be completed so I can run some checks over it ...
20:40 < rxr> clifford: it was only a note / question if it would be nice to remove them later (then the dependencies work) ...
20:40 < clifford> rxr: yes - I know.
20:41 < clifford> first I need to run some tests to analyse e.g. how many cross-dependencies to exist and how complicated they are.
20:44 < rxr> well - found why kde doesn't build in 1.7 ...
20:45 * clifford uploaded snapshot 200204172020.
20:46 < clifford> rxr: why?
20:49 < rxr> the old libxml (version1) headers are installed int /usr/include/libxml and so the libxml2 suing progs include the wrong headers ...
20:52 < clifford> I need to go home now (my girlfriend is waiting)
20:52 < clifford> cu
20:52 < jonath[an]> bye clifford
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21:14 < fake> hi
21:14 < tsa> hi again
21:14 -!- thalerim [~be@pD9E493EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:14 < thalerim> hi
21:16 < fake> what t f is the include/ subdir in the architectue dir?
21:16 < fake> like architecture/alpha/include
21:16 < thalerim> yo
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21:16 < armijn> blah
21:17 < fake> hi!
21:17 < armijn> hi fake
21:17 < thalerim> hi armijn.nl
21:17 < armijn> heh
21:17 < armijn> .nl it is...
21:17 < armijn> although at the moment a bit intoxicated with some .es wine...
21:17 < armijn> I spent hacking until 2:20 am on rock sparc
21:17 < armijn> but I got some things working
21:18 < thalerim> fake: these files are needed for cross compiling (and maybe for ohter shit)
21:18 < armijn> we just miss info files now :))
21:18 < armijn> but who cares about info files...
21:18 < armijn> thalerim: which platform?
21:18 < thalerim> ?
21:18 < thalerim> intel
21:18 < armijn> bweh
21:18 < fake> thalerim oh. ok.no corsscompiling for me ;)
21:18 < fake> <-- mips ;)
21:19 < armijn> fake: heh, I started on a ROCK porting guide...
21:19 < thalerim> no money for extravagant hardware :/
21:19 < armijn> I want to do pa-risc this summer
21:19 < fake> armijn does started mean i should already read it?
21:19 < armijn> thalerim: so...it's not really crosscompiling...
21:19 < thalerim> ?
21:19 < armijn> fake: nah, it's still at home. but nearly finished
21:19 < fake> armijn i've got an old hp-ux box powered by pa-risch at work
21:19 < thalerim> what are you talking about?!
21:19 < fake> hp 900 or something
21:19 < armijn> fake: not too much to tell really
21:20 < armijn> fake: ooh, schweet
21:20 < armijn> thalerim: cross compiling is for other architectures, not for intel.
21:20 < armijn> intel is for woozies...
21:20 < fake> the 8-processor machine we had has been taken away from us -_-
21:21 < thalerim> armijn: i didn't say that
21:21 < armijn> thalerim: oh, ok...I didn't follow the whole discussion, so...
21:21 < armijn> ah, who cares :)
21:21 < thalerim> tztz
21:21 < armijn> ROCK porting is frustrating....
21:22 < thalerim> fake asked what for the include/* files in architecture/ are
21:22 < armijn> had to do a *lot* of weird stuff to get it started on sparc64...
21:22 < armijn> oh, they're for crosscompiling
21:22 < armijn> and that's a bitch to do...
21:22 < armijn> you *do not* want to cross compile
21:22 < fake> what do i need to have if i'm NOT corss compiling?
21:22 < armijn> fake: archtest.out
21:23 < armijn> that's all
21:23 < fake> and preconfig.in
21:23 < armijn> maybe.
21:23 < fake> and kernel.conf
21:23 < armijn> not kernel.conf
21:23 < fake> not?
21:23 < armijn> I checked the ./base-config/linux/linux.conf script yesterday for that
21:24 < armijn> grep -i -r kernel.conf *
21:24 < fake> nuttin
21:24 < armijn> exactly,
21:24 < armijn> :)
21:24 < armijn> so you don't need it
21:25 < fake> well i'll just copy over my kernel config, i'm so glad it's running finally
21:25 < fake> ;)
21:25 < armijn> on mips?
21:25 < fake> kinda backup *g*
21:25 < fake> jop
21:25 < armijn> you're outgeeking me?
21:25 < armijn> no way!
21:25 < fake> i'm what?
21:25 < armijn> you know, MIPS is harder than sparc
21:26 < fake> not til now ;)
21:26 < armijn> hmm...didn't run into problems?
21:26 < fake> installing debian percompiled binaries isn't hard ;))
21:26 < thalerim> armijn: he want to say: YOU ARE A L00SER!
21:26 < thalerim> *hrhr*
21:26 < rxr> fake: what MIPS hardware do you have there?
21:26 < armijn> well, it wasn't on sparc64 either
21:26 < fake> rxr: indigo2
21:26 < armijn> fake: r5000 or r10000?
21:27 < armijn> green or purple?
21:27 < fake> thalerim i surely dind't want to put it that direct ;)
21:27 < fake> armijn r4k
21:27 < armijn> r4k?
21:27 < armijn> wow.
21:27 < armijn> not even r5k?
21:27 < fake> so, indgio, i'd say ;))
21:27 < fake> nope
21:27 < armijn> hmm...my Indy is r4600
21:28 < fake>  R4000SC V5.0  FPU V0.0
21:28 < thalerim> fake: well, i've just pointed out it for everyone 
21:28 < armijn> hmm...ah well...first I gotta do sparc64...
21:28 < fake> thalerim thanks *gr*
21:28 < armijn> that's already quite tough...
21:28 < armijn> but I can still beat fake with my Indy.
21:29 < fake> contst?
21:29 < fake> i loos, you win.
21:29 < fake> loose
21:29 < armijn> we could make it a contest...
21:29 < thalerim> fake: np. tomorrow i want to get my check
21:29 < fake> nah
21:29 < armijn> fake: chicken.
21:29 < fake> thalerim same account as last time?
21:30 < armijn> pooook pook pook pook!
21:30 < fake> armijn wings.
21:30 < armijn> chicken.
21:30 < fake> wings
21:30 < armijn> wuss.
21:30 < fake> nuggets?
21:30 < skaar> hi mijn - tnx for the card
21:30 < thalerim> armijn is acting his role as dutchman almost perfectly :D
21:31 < armijn> skaar: you got it?
21:31 < skaar> sure did
21:31 < armijn> thalerim: *almost*?
21:31 < armijn> thalerim: 100% pure...
21:31 < thalerim> now you have forgotten to crow
21:31 < armijn> thalerim: so, yeah, there's some .es wine inside me right now, but, hey :)
21:31 < armijn> skaar: ok...you wore a nice white dress at your wedding?
21:31 < skaar> black
21:32 * fake prefers .fr wine
21:32 < armijn> skaar: black dress? kinky...
21:32 < skaar> black suite
21:32 < armijn> skaar: mind if I adapt the openssl.conf?
21:32 < armijn> skaar: awww, not even a dress?
21:32 < skaar> mijn: sure go ahead
21:32 < armijn> fake: french wine is overrated...
21:33 < thalerim> armijn knows what he say
21:33 < armijn> skaar: k, I will...build is running on my Ultra 1 right now...added kernel compiler, got glibc right, just need to add sparcutils, openssl and elftoaout
21:33 < thalerim> he is permanent under the effect of alcohol
21:34 < armijn> thalerim: not quite, just when I'm on IRC :)
21:34 < thalerim> so i was right.. everytime :p
21:34 < armijn> ehr, I got a life you know...
21:34 < skaar> mijn: you, life?! what happened?
21:34 < thalerim> where did you buy this crap?
21:34 < armijn> skaar: I started to sleep less...
21:35 < armijn> thalerim: what crap?
21:35 < armijn> skaar: and drink more, keeps me awake :)
21:35 < skaar> I guess I drink less
21:35 < skaar> much less :)
21:35 < armijn> skaar: see? that's why you got less involved with rock...
21:36 < thalerim> skaar: armijn is .nl he is able to drink much...
21:36 < thalerim> very much
21:36 < armijn> thalerim: you sound jealous...
21:36 < skaar> tharleim: doesn't matter where you are - drinking a lot can be done everywhere :)
21:36 < armijn> I admit that beer is quite cheap and good here, but I don't drink every day...
21:36 < armijn> on the contrary...
21:36 < thalerim> nope. I don't see any point to want my life to be destroyed by myself
21:36 < skaar> mijn: well, it's been pretty busy since I moved here
21:37 < armijn> skaar: no shit...coming to sane? my brother will give a talk there
21:37 < armijn> skaar: and I'm a volunteer
21:37 < skaar> no SANE this time for me
21:37 < armijn> aww :(
21:37 < skaar> we have several people being sic
21:37 < skaar> sick even
21:37 < armijn> no 100 hours of free conference time when you join AOL?
21:38 < armijn> hmm...would love to go to a USENIX conference...but no money :(
21:39 < thalerim> you spend to much for alcohol heh
21:39 < thalerim> ;o)
21:39 < armijn> heh, no :)
21:39 < armijn> USENIX conferences are usually in the us
21:39 < thalerim> sure
21:39 < armijn> airplane tickets aren't cheap
21:40 < armijn> neither is a hotel in the US
21:40 < armijn> maybe I should just start sending in papers...
21:40 < thalerim> ask osama for a cheap ticket ;)
21:41 < armijn> hey, that's not funny.
21:41 < thalerim> ./nick thaliban
21:41 < thalerim> that wouldn't be funny
21:44 < thalerim> armijn: the sentence above was just macabre, i don't implicite anything
21:44 < thalerim> *didn't
21:44 < skaar> well, I did go to LISA in December
21:44 < armijn> thalerim: I hope so...
21:44 < skaar> I might make it to usenix technical
21:45 < armijn> skaar: I need the papers...they're "members only" for the last year or so
21:45 < armijn> can't wait that long...
21:45 < armijn> hmm...tough choice...IRC or watch Buffy...
21:45 < thalerim> armijn: hey. do i looking as i would be for terrorism?
21:45 < fake> ah! i finally have andromeda 2-17 "the things we cannot change" !
21:46 * fake *jumps around*
21:46 < armijn> thalerim: dunno...you were at 18c3?
21:46 < skaar> what do you mean "members only" ?
21:46 < skaar> that you have to be a usenix member?
21:46 < thalerim> armijn: pff :)
21:46 < thalerim> not yet
21:46 < armijn> skaar: well, when you want to download the paper, you gotta fill in a member thingie and password
21:46 < armijn> thalerim: hmm...if you go to CCC you're defintely a terrorist...
21:47 < thalerim> i neve will
21:47 < thalerim> +r
21:47 < skaar> http://www.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/
21:48 < armijn> powering mozilla...
21:49 < thalerim> armijn: i never will not to make you think being anyhow insane
21:49 < fake> <-- terrorist
21:49 < thalerim> *head shot*
21:49 < armijn> fake: hey, I went to HIP, HAL and 18c3...
21:51 < thalerim> armijn: btw. .nl won't be at the World championship :))))))))))))))))))))9
21:51 < armijn> skaar: The full papers of the past twelve months are
21:51 < armijn>                                             available only to USENIX members.
21:51 < armijn> thalerim: so?
21:51 < thalerim> so what
21:51 < armijn> I don't care, it's just football
21:52 < thalerim> well, i don't watch soccers either but i though you would do... 
21:52 < armijn> thalerim: no way, I got to spend time in the pub!
21:52 < armijn> (no TV in the pub where I go)
21:52 < thalerim> hrhr
21:52 < fake> *lol*
21:53 < fake> the checksum test takes longer than the actual download on the indigo2 ;)
21:53 < armijn> fake: oh boy
21:53 < thalerim> so.. are you taking your laptop with you
21:53 < thalerim> everytime
21:53 < armijn> I brought my wine upstairs :)
21:53 < thalerim> wherever you go
21:53 < thalerim> whatever you drink
21:53 < armijn> thalerim: laptop?
21:53 < fake> mv wine /upstairs ?
21:53 < thalerim> notebook
21:53 < armijn> fake: exactly
21:54 < armijn> thalerim: you really think I've got a laptop?
21:54 < fake> <-- wget food
21:54 < armijn> why do you think I port ROCK to other architectures?
21:54 < armijn> because I don't have money for a new machine!
21:54 < thalerim> but money for alcohol tztz
21:54 < armijn> it's all old crap I've got at home...
21:55 < armijn> thalerim: well, life is all aboutpriorities...
21:55 < thalerim> but i forgot, you are going to pub _without_ a tv
21:55 < armijn> thalerim: no TV, no music and good Belgian beer :)))
21:55 < thalerim> yea ic
21:56 < thalerim> to concentrate about the important things
21:56 < thalerim> like beer
21:56 < thalerim> and more beer
21:56 < thalerim> and even more than more beer
21:56 < thalerim> definely beer
21:57 < armijn> well...if you'r just used to german beer, ou probably won't understand
21:58 < armijn> you see, beer is much like art
21:58 < thalerim> i have never drunken anything within alcohol
21:59 < thalerim> -in
21:59 < armijn> skaar: so, I'm not a USENIX member and I can't access those papers :(
21:59 < armijn> skaar: and that postcard was not just me :)
21:59 < skaar> oh, I thought they were public
21:59 < armijn> thalerim: fair enough...
21:59 < armijn> skaar: well, all of them, except for the last year...
22:00 < armijn> hmmm...will do PA-RISC port in summer :)
22:00 < armijn> http://www.linuxmag.nl/Tux2MS/
22:00 < thalerim> armijn: :) i only want to annoy you ;)
22:01 < thalerim> to do not fall in the idling process
22:01 < armijn> thalerim: oh, you could of course hunt down a nice machine (non-Intel) and port ROCK to it...
22:02 < armijn> skaar: you don't get it do you? I want to abuse your priviliges as a USENIX member to get those papers...
22:02 < thalerim> at the moment i am optimizin the scripts/* files
22:02 < armijn> thalerim: 1.7 or 1.5?
22:02 < thalerim> 1.7
22:03 < fake> i'm off
22:03 < thalerim> bye
22:03 < armijn> fake: cu
22:03 < fake> cya tomorrow
22:03 < armijn> thalerim: ok...I'm just concentrating on 1.5
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22:04 < thalerim> yeah, i ain't doing anything special (that will follow later).. i'm just increasing the speed
22:05 < thalerim> i ahve to run the script with cygwin within windows
22:05 < thalerim> there shellscripts optimizing is very important
22:05 < armijn> hmm
22:06 < armijn> abused my contacts with Microsoft
22:06 < thalerim> mh?
22:07 * armijn wearing a .NET sweater now :)
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22:07 < Mike1> re
22:07 < thalerim> armijn: hrhr
22:08 * thalerim is listing to Creed - Who's got my back
22:08 < armijn> is that metal?
22:08 < armijn> or hardcore?
22:08 < thalerim> hm..
22:08 < armijn> naaah'
22:08 < thalerim> just rock
22:09 < armijn> ROCK is for woozies...
22:09 < armijn> I listen to metal
22:09 < armijn> ehr...
22:09 < thalerim> no
22:09 < armijn> hmm :)
22:09 < thalerim> i hear music as i feel
22:09 < armijn> maybe I shouldn't have said that on this channel :)))
22:09 < armijn> thalerim: sure, I'm just kidding
22:09 < thalerim> at the moment i don't wish crying
22:09 < thalerim> armijn: w1x0r :P
22:10 < armijn> thalerim: crying? aww, come on, no need for crying, you're not doing a port of ROCK to anohter architeccture...
22:10 < Mike1> <armijn> ROCK is for woozies...
22:10 < Mike1> nice saying my friend
22:10 < armijn> mike1: I was talking about the music!
22:10 < thalerim> no he wasnÄt
22:10 < Mike1> armijn :P
22:10 < thalerim> wasn't
22:10 < thalerim> kicking ass
22:11 < armijn> ROCK porting messes around with your brain
22:11 < armijn> ROCK porting is like a lobotomy
22:11 < Mike1> armijn i know u were kidding, just seemed funny to see you saying that inthe ROCK channel
22:11 < thalerim> this say you
22:11 < thalerim> Mike1: he is quite insane
22:11 < thalerim> you have to know he is .nl
22:11 < thalerim> ;)
22:12 < armijn> thalerim: well, I do the sparc64 port, so I guess I've got the right to say it
22:12 < armijn> thalerim: wait until you meet me...
22:12 < thalerim> you will be drunken i know
22:12 < thalerim> so
22:12 < Mike1> thalerim which ROCKer is not insane?
22:12 < armijn> *sigh*...why does everybody always think I'm drunk?
22:12 < thalerim> cuz you are
22:13 < armijn> I know I've got the reputation, but it's not true!
22:13 < Mike1> bier!
22:13 < armijn> hmmm, bier :)
22:13 < armijn> so, I like a beer or two...but not when I'm coding.
22:13 < thalerim> armijn: _you_ said being always drunk
22:13 < thalerim> when you are on irc
22:13 < thalerim> or in
22:13 < armijn> thalerim: no no, that was just a joke
22:14 < thalerim> i know :P
22:14 < thalerim> <- pendant
22:14 < Mike1> i'm adicted to a drug, its names Ultra 5
22:14 < Mike1> s/d
22:14 < thalerim> <- pendantic
22:14 < armijn> mike1: I heard you didn't buy the Ultra5 from ripclaw.
22:15 < Mike1> armijn yeah cuz it was going to cost about 100eur more and i just got one U5 for free
22:15 < thalerim> well i am checking the last script for today
22:15 < Mike1> :D
22:15 < armijn> mike1: for free??
22:15 < armijn> mike1: nice
22:16 < armijn> mike1: I will send in sparc64 patches tomorrow
22:16 < Mike1> armijn yeah a friend of mine gave it to me
22:16 < armijn> for 1.5.14
22:16 < armijn> right now still running a build at home on my ultra1
22:16 < Mike1> armijn great because you know damn well that i will need them
22:16 < armijn> mike1: I know, I made them especially for you :)))
22:16 < armijn> (NOT!)
22:17 < thalerim> he did it for me
22:17 < Mike1> haha lier, but they will be usefull so thanks
22:18 < armijn> will send them tomorrow
22:18 < thalerim> but he was in such a way drunken so he didn't see me hasn't a sparc
22:18 < armijn> thalerim: first, it's "drunk", not "drunken"
22:18 < thalerim> it's drunken
22:18 < armijn> thalerim: wanna bet??
22:19 < thalerim> okay
22:19 < thalerim> for a beer
22:19 < thalerim> ;D
22:19 < armijn> I'm willing to bet all my life savings on that >:->
22:19 < thalerim> it's drunk and drunken
22:19 < Mike1> hahaha
22:19 < thalerim> both are the same
22:19 < armijn> no, it's just "drunk"
22:19 < armijn> no, they're not
22:19 < Mike1> actually is drunk
22:19 < thalerim> and drunken
22:19 * armijn throws a dictionairy at thalerim
22:20 < armijn> no, just "drunk"
22:20 * thalerim fetches it
22:20 < armijn> "trunken" might exist in German (and in Dutch), but not in English
22:20 < armijn> it's just "drunk"
22:20 < thalerim> maybe it's american only
22:20 < armijn> thalerim: who cares for americans...
22:20 < thalerim> like gotten
22:20 < armijn> (no offence there)
22:21 < armijn> that's not correct english...that's slang
22:21 < armijn> I don't care for slang.
22:21 < thalerim> you only care for beer
22:21 < armijn> depends on what beer :)))
22:21 < thalerim> <- putting the conversation to the right place
22:21 < thalerim> +again
22:22 < armijn> hehe, new Debian project leader...
22:22 < armijn> I just know the old one...
22:22 < thalerim> who?
22:22 < thalerim> i don't know anyone
22:22 < thalerim> debian sucks anyway
22:23 < armijn> I know Wichert Akkerman pretty well
22:23 < armijn> he's dutch, so...
22:23 < armijn> hmm...ran out of wine...
22:23 < armijn> oh, and I'm off now, gotta train to catch...
22:23 < armijn> so, cu
22:24 < thalerim> if know this person or this, debian will ever suck anyway
22:24 < thalerim> +you
22:24 < armijn> heh, I know lots of debian people
22:24 < thalerim> okay
22:24 < thalerim> nice to meet you
22:24 < thalerim> but debian sucks
22:24 < armijn> so, I'm off :)
22:24 < armijn> hehe, it sure does :)
22:24 < thalerim> cya
22:24 * armijn off
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22:24 < tsa> cu armijn
22:24 < tsa> hm..
22:24 < tsa> too late
22:24 < thalerim> :P
22:24 < tsa> :-P
22:25 < thalerim> this i will use against you in near furutre ;)
22:25 * tsa being anxious ;)
22:26 < thalerim> hmm hey
22:26 < tsa> hehehe
22:26 < thalerim> i though _nodel_ isn't anymore in 1.7
22:26 < thalerim> is it?
22:26 < thalerim> thought
22:26 < tsa> grep nodel scripts/Cleanup
22:26 < tsa> still there.
22:27 < thalerim> this file i am currently checking
22:27 < thalerim> that's why i wonder
22:27 < thalerim> i have read anything it doesn't exist anymore
22:28 < thalerim> (or it's useless at the moment)
22:28 < rxr> thalerim: _nodel_ is not needed
22:29 < rxr> build packages are not deleted
22:29 < thalerim> mh?
22:29 < rxr> although the check is still there ... - strange ?!
22:30 < thalerim> hm
22:30 < thalerim> so it could be removed, yes?
22:30 * thalerim is marking this as to be removed with a big red markerpin
22:30 < rxr> I need to take a deeper look
22:31 < thalerim> may it be created by build-pkg
22:31 < thalerim> this could be the point
22:31 < snyke> gn8
22:31 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A5F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ("BitchX: it does a body good")
22:32 < rxr> Cleanup still be usefull - but it is not called in Build-Target ...
22:32 < thalerim> $ grep '_nodel' *
22:32 < thalerim> Cleanup:if [ -f _nodel_ ] ; then
22:32 < thalerim> Cleanup:        echo "Found _nodel_ file -> don't clean up!"
22:32 < rxr> thalerim: This is what I said above ... ;-) but the Cleanup is not called in Build-Target ;-)
22:33 < thalerim> why does it depend on that?
22:33 < huebi> MOep!
22:33 < thalerim> beep huebi
22:33 < Mike1> yo huebi 
22:34 < huebi> hi thalerim 
22:36 < huebi> hi Mike1 
22:36 < tsa> hi huebi
22:36 < huebi> hi tsa 
22:36 < thalerim> rxr: it can be removed - yes or no?
22:37 < thalerim> or should i lez this be open
22:37 < thalerim> lez
22:37 < thalerim> let
22:37 < thalerim> argh
22:37 < huebi> thalerim: yesno ;)
22:38 < huebi> For a manuak Cleanup it's still better to have it
22:38 < thalerim> what is _nodel_ for?
22:38 < thalerim> exactly
22:39 < huebi> less ./scripts/Cleanup ;>
22:39 < thalerim> tz
22:39 < thalerim> the file is printed next to me
22:39 < thalerim> i want to know if that is the only using
22:40 < thalerim> i don't know how this was handle in <1.7
22:40 < huebi> thalerim: Then just grep around a little bit. grep for nodel and Cleanup
22:41 < thalerim> ?
22:41 < thalerim> scripts/Cleanup is to be called by your own hand
22:41 < huebi> not in any other script anymore?
22:42 < thalerim> no
22:42 < thalerim> in 1.5?
22:42 < thalerim> about this i have been talking about the whole time ... :)
22:42 < huebi> Build-All uses cleanup
22:42 < thalerim> build-all doesn't exist anymore
22:42 < thalerim> and _nodel_ is used in which files?
22:44 < huebi> thalerim: Let Cleanup stay in the scripts. Someone might still find it usefull ;) It's like dropping driver support for an outdated OS if you erase it.
22:45 < thalerim> yeah i will but i think about updating the docs
22:46 < huebi> thalerim: ok, update the docs. That's a really good idea.
22:46 < thalerim> not my job anyway :P
22:47 < huebi> no, that's not your job. But if you say you do it, it is your job ;)
22:47 < thalerim> i will request to add a comment to this lines
22:48 < huebi> what about sending a patch to the list?
22:48 < thalerim> request`?
22:48 < thalerim> suggest i meant
22:48 < thalerim> huebi: i haven't changed anything yet
22:49 < thalerim> i have just printed many of the scripts/* and mark what to change
22:49 < thalerim> a lot of them i have to edit though
22:50 < thalerim> +still
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22:52 < thalerim> well, i am going to bed now
22:52 < thalerim> good night.. and have a nice dream
22:53 < Mike1> thalerim bye
22:53 -!- thalerim [~be@pD9E493EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("dead.")
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23:01 < tsa> hm....interesting
23:01 < huebi>  bad connection in the moment ;(
23:01 < tsa> just installed opera 6.0 beta2 and it went from registered to unregistered.
23:01 < tsa> old serial doesn't work anymore.
23:01 < tsa> anyway....i've got a new one ;)
23:02 < huebi> tsa: Pay it again, Sam !
23:02 < huebi> ;)
23:02 < tsa> huebi: hehe...
23:03 < huebi> tsa: How does your new one lok like ;)))
23:03 < tsa> didn't actually pay for the first one, either..
23:03 < tsa> huebi: well....you could actually write it down like this: u-yHfNh-FfYwn-PayQX-bpFWK-YFwQW
23:03 < tsa> ooops....i just pasted the super secret serial in here.
23:04 < tsa> sorry guys ;)
23:04 < huebi> o_O
23:04 < huebi> I make an external backup for you ;)
23:05 < tsa> that's nice ..
23:12 < huebi> back again ;)
23:19 < tsa> hm....kriegt ebay grad nen ddos ab? (Speed: 67 bytes/sec)
23:19 < tsa> laaaangsam..
23:22 < huebi> www <- world wide wait
23:23 < tsa> ack.
23:29 < tsa> http://www.netaddiction.com/resources/internet_addiction_test.htm
23:37 * huebi : You are an average on-line user. You may surf the Web a bit too long at times, but you have control over your usage. <- *lol*
23:38 < huebi> 40 points ;)
23:44 < tsa> hehe
23:44 < tsa> <- 41
23:46 -!- surprised is now known as surprise
23:51 < huebi> How often do you try to hide how long you've been on-line? <- hmm, better ask: What's your uptime? ;)
23:52 < tsa> hehehehe
23:53 < huebi> 11:54pm  up 2 days, 17:57,  2 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 <- Not so high ;)
23:55 -!- praenti_away is now known as praenti
23:55 * praenti is for a few minutes here
23:55 < huebi> praenti: the ultimate test: http://www.netaddiction.com/resources/internet_addiction_test.htm
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