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00:06 < praenti> huebi: really ultimative ;-)
00:06 < huebi> praenti: How many points did you get
00:06 < huebi> ?
00:06 < praenti> 86
00:07 < praenti> how much points you have?
00:07 < huebi> praenti: <- yunki
00:07 < huebi> 40
00:07 < huebi> ;)))
00:07 < praenti> i was too tired to think about the questions, so mostly i said always ;-)
00:07 < huebi> 23:52 < huebi> How often do you try to hide how long you've been on-line? <- hmm, better ask: What's your uptime? ;)
00:08 < huebi> hehe
00:08 < praenti> 24h hehe lol
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00:08 < praenti> hi frank
00:08 < huebi> how long are you online? 99,999%
00:09 < hackbard> hi :)
00:09 < praenti> ok. one disconnect from provider
00:10 < huebi> praenti: 99,99999% < 7x9 = one arptable fush of the routers (~2min)
00:14 < tsa> rxr: awake?
00:16 < rxr> no I'm here ;-)
00:17 < tsa> that enough...
00:17 < rxr> moin tsa!
00:17 < tsa> avifile package in extra1 is pretty outdated.
00:17 < praenti> huebi: ;-)
00:17 < rxr> the guy released a new version? nice
00:17 < tsa> http://avifile.sourceforge.net/avifile0.7-20020412.tar.gz
00:17 < praenti> but now im going to bed. cya today morning or lunch time
00:18 -!- praenti is now known as praenti_ZzZz
00:19 < rxr> tsa ic - did at compiled on your box?
00:20 * rxr is wondering if irsii can make some beeps if someone writes his name ;-)
00:20 < tsa> rxr: i'm currently trying..
00:20 < rxr> I, too ... :-)
00:20 < tsa> hehe
00:21 * rxr ./configure
00:21 < tsa> scripts/Build-Pkg ...
00:22 < rxr> load average: 3.30, 2.64, 2.41
00:22 < tsa> hehe
00:22 < rxr> might take some time dRock ROCK-1.7 are currently building ...
00:22 * rxr make ;-)
00:23 < tsa> hm...intreresting.
00:23 < tsa> what's package.cache ?
00:23 < tsa> [ERROR] No reference build done so far.
00:23 < tsa> nothing else in it.
00:23 < tsa> btw...avifile doesn't build here.
00:23 < tsa> mpegvideo_mmx.c:433: mpegvideo_mmx_template.c: No such file or directory
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00:24 < Mike1> re
00:24 < rxr> the .cache contains dependencies of an build-all reference builf
00:24 < rxr> Hi Mike1 
00:24 < rxr> tsa: so packages can be build in parallel ;-)
00:24 < tsa> oh, i see
00:24 < tsa> this is nice.
00:24 < rxr> cliff is currently running the first reference build ;-)
00:24 < Mike1> yo rxr 
00:25 < rxr> tsa: You might like to read some crollback of stuff Cliff and I discussed this afternoon ;-)
00:25 < rxr> Mike1: you wanted to so some pics of your U5? 
00:25 < huebi> hi Mike1 
00:26 < Mike1> rxr just of inviting some firends to logging my ULTRA 5
00:26 < Mike1> hello huebi 
00:26 < tsa> rxr: hm....avifile fails "make" in avifile0.7-20020412/plugins/libffmpeg/libavcodec/i386
00:26 < rxr> mine faild finding the decore.h
00:27 < rxr> but this is because I have divx5 installed in /usr/local and no -I/usr/local/include by defaults ...
00:27 < tsa> hm...interesting.
00:28 < rxr> Mike1: logging or log in ? ;-)
00:28 < Mike1> log in :P
00:29 < rxr> Mike1: what OS is running?
00:29 < Mike1> Linux Splack
00:30 < rxr> the CPU performance would be of interest for me ;-)
00:30 < rxr> so running some bech would be interesting ...
00:30 < Mike1> rxr yes i know thats why i told ya
00:30 < rxr> Mike1: is it 24h online?
00:31 < Mike1> rxr yes it is
00:31 < Mike1> T1 connection
00:31 < rxr> wow ;-)
00:31 < Mike1> :)
00:31 < rxr> an ssh account would be nice ,)
00:32 < Mike1> i made one for you
00:32 < Mike1> just go ahead
00:32 < Mike1> finger
00:33 < Mike1> huebi you wanna log in too?
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00:34 < huebi> Mike1: Yes, thank you
00:34 < huebi> ;)
00:34 < Mike1> huebi ok mom
00:36 < tsa> any recommendations for a good divx/avi player?
00:37 < Mike1> huebi you here yet?
00:38 < huebi> ;)jo
00:39 < Mike1> have fun huebi 
00:39 < tsa> hm...mplayer package is outdated, too...
00:40 < rxr> tsa: might be - it's not mine ... - but it is really cool that so many people join the 1.7 tree - so ROCK will get really up to date ;-)
00:40 * tsa sending mail to jimmy@is-vn.bg
00:41 * rxr running the ROCK bench on Mike1 U5 hehehe  ;-)
00:41 < tsa> rxr: i don't want to bring up the discussion again, but i think we would have more active maintainers if the sf cvs structure wasn't so complicated..
00:41 < tsa> no discussion, please.
00:41 < tsa> ;)
00:41 < rxr> tsa: yes - I do not wanna waste more time ... ;-)
00:42 < tsa> hehehehe
00:42 < Mike1> looks like you guys already had fun discussing about it
00:42 < rxr> it makes me really happy that the gentoo scripts are so ugly ;-) Knowing that ROCK rocks is great ;->
00:42 < rxr> NUMERIC SORT        :          124.04  :       3.18  :       1.04
00:42 < rxr> STRING SORT         :          10.163  :       4.54  :       0.70
00:42 < rxr> BITFIELD            :      2.6337e+07  :       4.52  :       0.9
00:42 < tsa> rxr: i've not seen them - how do you know? did you install it?
00:43 < rxr> what?
00:43 < tsa> gentoo scripts..
00:43 < rxr> ah  no I took a look into their CVS using the Web interface ;-)
00:43 < tsa> ah, ok...
00:43 < rxr> http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/gentoo-x86/
00:44 * rxr just powering up an K62 to compare the bench results ;-)
00:45 < tsa> hm....these ebuild formats looks like they stole the idea from rock.
00:45 < tsa> ..and changed it a little bit so nobody would notice.
00:47 < tsa> $ ls package/package/abandoned/
00:47 < tsa> CVS
00:47 < rxr> tsa: they also hardcode everything! even the ./configure make make install 
00:47 < rxr> copyies ... - and dependencies
00:47 < tsa> hm...we have _no_ abandoned packages any more?
00:47 < tsa> cool.
00:47 < rxr> tsa: where do you look at ? ;-)
00:48 < tsa> rxr: "cvs co package", 2 minutes ago.
00:49 < rxr> the directory was always empty ... ;-)
00:49 < tsa> hm...
00:49 < rxr> Mike:
00:49 < rxr> INTEGER INDEX       : 3.382
00:49 < rxr> FLOATING-POINT INDEX: 1.837
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00:50 < jonath[an]> are
00:50 < rxr> A K6-2 has: 31.7
00:50 < tsa> so where are the abandoned packages? i'm still trying to convince holyolli to take over some of them..
00:50 < rxr> 24.9
00:50 < rxr> tsa: grep for packages of Beevin (or however he gets spelled)
00:51 < rxr> or check some version numbers ...
00:52 < rxr> (the K62 has 350 Mhz ...)
00:53 < Mike1> rxr my U5 has a SparcII 270mhz
00:53 < rxr> Mike1: Jups. You anc cat /proc/cpuinfo told me ;-)
00:53 < rxr> Mike1: but it should be as fast as a 500Mhz PII ;-)
00:53 < rxr> (Huebi and Ripclaw told ...)
00:54 < tsa> Mike1: you should have installed solaris 8 and see if rxr finds it out ;-)
00:54 < Mike1> yeah
00:54 < Mike1> tsa haha, nah i installed splack cuz i'm working on rock-1.7
00:54 < rxr> I run the whole bench - maybe some options get a better performance out of it ;-)
00:54 < Mike1> i wanna build it here
00:55 < rxr> Mike1: The bench?
00:55 < Mike1> rxr could be
00:55 < Mike1> rxr ?
00:55 < rxr> Mike1: ?
00:56 < huebi> *lol*
00:56 < Mike1> <rxr> Mike1: The bench?  ... ???
00:56 < rxr> huebi: what are you loling about?
00:56 < Mike1> huebi hehe
00:56 < huebi> rxr: Mike want's to build 1.7
00:56 < huebi> rxr: 00:56 < Mike1> rxr ?
00:56 < huebi> 00:56 < rxr> Mike1: ?
00:58 < rxr> Mike1: in some days I should help building 1.7 ...
00:58 < Mike1> rxr good good
00:58 < Mike1> armijn wants me working in 1.5.14
00:58 < Mike1> but i really REALLY wanna go for 1.7
00:58 < jonath[an]> bye
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00:59 < rxr> I'll do 1.7 ;-)
01:00 < Mike1> rxr so i will :D
01:02 < rxr> nvi really suck
01:03 < huebi> rxr: use vi on solaris or aix and you will love nvi
01:04 < rxr> urgh
01:04 < huebi> I prefer vim ;))
01:04 * tsa actually uses vi on solaris
01:04 < tsa> i learned using vi on sun's.
01:05 < huebi> tsa: I think tha rxr has not so much experience with commercial UNIXes
01:05 < huebi> I learned it on AIX
01:05 * Mike1 learned on solaris
01:06 < rxr> huebi: why should I - I took some look here and there - and did some on the Indy stuff at our University - but since all is so much worser than ROCK  ....
01:06 < tsa> hehe
01:07 < tsa> we've been working on sparcstation4 at university till a year ago.
01:08 < huebi> rxr: Rock is one of the best UNIXes. But there are still some managers deciding to use e.g AIX or Slowlaris, HP-UX...
01:08 < tsa> sparcstation4's make you honor the existance of twm and fvwm.
01:09 < rxr> tsa: hm :-)
01:09 < Mike1> not everyone is brave enought to go for ROCK!
01:12 < rxr> Mike1: is your u5 alos online the next days?
01:14 < Mike1> is my workstation i can have it online as much time as i need/want
01:14 < Mike1> why?
01:14 < rxr> the I could do some more test after sleep ;-)
01:16 < Mike1> rxr you got it
01:16 < Mike1> :D
01:17 < rxr> (after soem .vim and .bashrc work I also start to feel comfortable ;-)
01:17 < Mike1> so any impressions so far?
01:17 < rxr> the standard gcc seem to optimize not very well ...
01:18 < rxr> (on sun)
01:18 < rxr> i currently try to use the installed egcs - but currently I have to find a typo i introducede into the autobench.sh ...
01:18 < tsa> rxr: feel free to get SUNWSpro ..
01:18 < rxr> ??
01:19 < tsa> the sun c compiler.
01:19 < rxr> obviously ;-)
01:19 < tsa> you'll just need a lot of money..
01:19 < rxr> But I would go fruther and test gcc-3.0.4 or gcc-3.1.0-prerelease  ;-)
01:19 < huebi> tsa: or a monthly phoncall ;)
01:19 < huebi> or ripclaw
01:19 < tsa> hm..
01:23 < tsa> == 04/18/02 01:21:51 =[9]=> Finished building package libxml2.
01:23 < tsa> 2.4.20 builds. 
01:23 * tsa sending patch.
01:23 < huebi> kool
01:23 < rxr> no
01:23 < rxr> it is in my tree already ...
01:24 < tsa> rxr: so it's up to you to apply it ;)
01:24 < rxr> I only wait for KDE3 to build -> then all goes out to Cliff ...
01:24 < rxr> ah kdelibs build now ;-)
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01:32 < Mike1> re th
01:32 * Mike1 away
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01:37 < hackbard> gn1
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01:39 < Mike1> rxr you here?
01:39 < rxr> jups
01:39 < Mike1> i run ./scripts/Config
01:40 < Mike1> and set the arch to sparc
01:40 < Mike1> is it for sparc32 or sparc64
01:40 < rxr> sparc64 ;-)
01:40 < Mike1> or it doesn't matter?
01:40 < Mike1> rxr awesome
01:40 < Mike1> :)
01:40 < Mike1> :)))))))))
01:40 < rxr> I do not know whether spart32 works, too - it should be binary compatible ....
01:40 < rxr> but your's is a sparc64 ...
01:41 < Mike1> rxr yes thats why i asked
01:41 < SMP> sparc64 works even less than sparc
01:41 < Mike1> SMP hehe
01:42 < rxr> SMP: in which context? You mean the state of the ROCK port?
01:42 < SMP> Mike1: do you read rock-ports?
01:42 < Mike1> ok i just installed curl cuz splack DOESNT HAVE IT!!! 
01:42 < SMP> rxr: in general, but esp. thr ROCK port
01:42 < Mike1> SMP kinda lazy to when i didn't have a sparc
01:43 < Mike1> SMP are you building 1.7 for sparc?
01:43 < SMP> neither
01:43 < Mike1> ok
01:48 * Mike1 fetching required packages for 1.7
01:50 * rxr a this is why the conenct got this slugish :-(
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01:53 < SMP> Mike1: if you use an unpatched 1.7 tree, expect near nothing to work for sparc / sparc64
01:53 < jonath[an]> re
01:53 < SMP> g'nite
01:53 < rxr> SMP: n8
01:53 < jonath[an]> gut nacht SMP
01:54 < huebi> I go to bed. have fun, Btw, phpgroupware is now running
01:54 < rxr> Mike1: yes - you need an intermeditate knowledge of the ROCK scrpts to fix 1.7 for Sparc ...
01:54 < jonath[an]> bye Hueb
01:54 < rxr> bye, 2
01:57 < rxr> Mike1: Slack behaves strange ...
01:59 < rxr> Mike1: and the egcs can't compile the bechmark ...
01:59 < Mike1> SMP i see
02:00 < Mike1> rxr i'm running a fresh splack installation so i certainly know that some things are not going to work
02:00 < Mike1> are there any patches for 1.7 so far?
02:00 < rxr> no - I mean some egrep bash scripting - s.th. is strange there ...
02:00 < Mike1> re jonath[an] 
02:01 < rxr> Mike1: I thing they do 1.5 currently ...
02:01 < jonath[an]> hola Miguel
02:01 < Mike1> rxr i havent get any strange problems yet
02:01 < Mike1> rxr no armijn is releasing some patching for 1.5.14 tomorrow as he told me earlier
02:01 < rxr> Mike1: the autobench doesn't work 100% correct - I'll take a deeper look tomorrow ...
02:01 < Mike1> hola jonath[an] ojal estuvieras aca
02:01 < Mike1> rxr ok
02:02 < jonath[an]> Mike1: por que?
02:02 < jonath[an]> algo interesante?
02:02 * Mike1 will work with 1.5.14 and start working with 1.7
02:02 < rxr> Mike1: Why no? So armijn does 1.5 ;-) And esden too - I think ...
02:02 < Mike1> jonath[an] everything
02:02 < Mike1> rxr yeah
02:02 < Mike1> but you and i are going to do 1.7 :D
02:02 < jonath[an]> sounds funny
02:02 < jonath[an]> :}
02:03 < rxr> Mike1: seem to get a nice advanture ;-)
02:03 < Mike1> jonath[an] podriamos bajar mil cosas y podrias jugar con mi tarro
02:03 < rxr> so I log out of your box now - I need sleep 
02:03 < Mike1> rxr yeah i think so
02:03 < Mike1> rxr sure
02:03 < jonath[an]> Mike1: really cool
02:04 < jonath[an]> Mike1: a eso llamas tarro?
02:04 < rxr> Mike1: A really nice journey ;-)
02:04 < Mike1> hehe 
02:04 < rxr> (into the bits and bytes he he ;-)
02:04 < Mike1> rxr yeah, armijn will hate me for that i think
02:04 < Mike1> Jan is already working with 1.7 as far as i know
02:04 < Mike1> so we should ask some questions to him
02:07 < rxr> ok good night!
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02:07 < Mike1> n8 rxr_zzZZ 
02:09 * Mike1 eating
02:31 < Mike1> la verdad no
02:33 * Mike1 leaving
02:33 < Mike1> n8 all
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02:33 < jonath[an]> bye Mike1 
02:34 < jonath[an]> ill leave too
02:34 < jonath[an]> bye
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03:22 < tsa> n8
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07:16 < rxr> moin ;-)
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08:43 < huebi> moin
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11:01 < netcrow> hi
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11:50 < rxr_away> hi
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11:50 < huebi> hi rxr 
11:50 < rxr> moin huebi!
11:53 < SMP> damn.
11:54 < huebi> hi SMP 
11:56 < rxr> damn too
11:56 < rxr> the stupid T1lib build prints again stuff to my printer
11:56 < rxr> :-(
11:58 < rxr> shit - a new mountain of paper for notes .... #asdSDAFkjdha!
12:05 < huebi> I'm just testing PHPGroupWare. looks nice and seems to be a good GPL solution for the exchange problem :-)
12:07 < esden> tachle
12:08 < huebi> hi esden 
12:08 < netcrow> hi esden 
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12:09 < rxr> huebi: did you do some performance test on your U5?
12:10 < esden> shidde ist der scrollback lang !!!
12:12 * rxr just trying to build a gcc-20020415 on Mike's Sparc ;-)
12:15 < rxr> huebi: maybe the ROCK home-page could adapt the new ALSA style (slightly) - even the colors might be ok: http://www.alsa-project.org/
12:16 < esden> rxr: *surf*
12:17 < rxr> esden: well - you might not like the white background :-( ...
12:17 < rxr> keeping suck navigation links on the top of all ROCK pages might help a lot.
12:18 < esden> hmm ... that would be ok ... if everybody wants white beckground i will not veto it or something ... we are a democratic group ...
12:19 < esden> but I do not see there a real layout or something ...
12:19 < rxr> esden: maybe a slightly darker white (alsa ghostview would be a compromis?
12:19 < esden> on the alsa site ...
12:19 < rxr> I only mean the style on the front page ...
12:20 < esden> but i can imagine what you mean ...
12:20 < esden> hmm sure ...
12:20 * rxr now the gcc configure finished ...
12:20 < esden> ???
12:20 < rxr> esden: ?
12:20 < esden> nothing ;-) 
12:20 < rxr> took 8 minutes :-( 
12:20 < esden> i was only wondering what you are doing ...
12:21 < rxr> building the gcc-3.1-prerelease on Mike's sparc ;-)
12:21 < esden> aha ... and on sparc it needs time ...
12:21 < rxr> The performance using the gcc-2.95.3 sucks
12:22 < rxr> I'll test if the gcc-3.1.x does a better job ...
12:22 < esden> good do this ... I have to read my mail now ...
12:24 < rxr> I'll also get some sleep now (I didn't last night ...)
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13:12 < fake> ohayooo
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13:20 < fake> hi cliff
13:21 < clifford> hi
13:21 < huebi> moin
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13:24 < armijn> re
13:24 < fake> hi
13:24 < clifford> hi
13:25 < armijn> first sparc64 patches are there...
13:25 < armijn> maybe they will work for 1.7 as well...
13:25 < armijn> is ltrace IA-32 specific?
13:25 < clifford> no.
13:25 < clifford> but does not support all architectures.
13:26 < armijn> can't get it to compile on my ultra...still have to do more tests.
13:26 < fake> yeah, finally the downloads finished...
13:26 < armijn> clifford: still in hospital?
13:26 < fake> ... not to mention the checksum tests ;)
13:27 * fake sends clifford a high-potion
13:27 < clifford> no - I'm in the office now.  :-)
13:27 < armijn> hmm...office...
13:27 * fake wants it back.
13:27 < armijn> oh, btw I will give a talk about distros and ROCK on may 22 in Rotterdam
13:27 < clifford> fake: no.  :-)
13:27 < fake> you owe me one ;P
13:28 < clifford> # ping -f fake
13:28 < fake> ........
13:29 < armijn> I sent that to rock-doc-pr, but no response...
13:29 < fake> ipchains input -p icmp -j reject
13:29 < clifford> armijn: yes - I know.
13:29 < armijn> clifford: good :)
13:30 < esden> re
13:30 < armijn> hi esden
13:30 < armijn> esden: when can we expect the first alpha patches?
13:30 < esden> *keuch*
13:30 < esden> armijn: there were already some ...
13:30 < clifford> ./bonk 1.2.3.4 fake 
13:30 < armijn> esden: right. haven't seen them :)
13:30 < esden> armijn: but my diskspace is to small
13:31 < armijn> esden: remove packages.
13:31 < esden> armijn: my schedule is filled to the extreme ...
13:31 < armijn> esden: that's what I will do on my machines....
13:31 < huebi> esden: remove Windows NT
13:31 < armijn> esden: that's bullshit, you still have time to sleep!
13:32 < esden> huebi: good idea ;-)
13:32 < armijn> hi huebi
13:32 < huebi> ;)
13:32 < clifford> !! there are two things I want to discuss ..
13:33 < clifford> 1.) www.rocklinux.org
13:33 < armijn> huebi: sparc64 patches should have arrived
13:33 < clifford> 2.) ROCK Linux E-Zine
13:33 < clifford> armijn: yes - I'm already reading it
13:34 < huebi> clifford: 1. <- new design for the HP would be nice ...
13:34 < esden> armijn: my mother is having other understanding of the term sleep ... she tells me that when I do not sleep enough I get ill ... but I think that it is a time buffer ... so when I do not have enough time i borrow it from the sleep time ...
13:35 < esden> that is not a trivial problem ... my parents are the money givers ...
13:35 < clifford> huebi: design = how it looks like (optically)
13:35 < armijn> hehe
13:35 < clifford> ?
13:36 < esden> clifford: so lets discuss ...
13:36 < esden> ;-)
13:36 < huebi> Yes, and also how the links areordered on the page. Plus more links in the text.
13:37 < armijn> esden: watcha doing in summer?
13:37 < clifford> huebi: where?
13:37 < esden> armijn: coding on rock if I can ... 
13:37 < esden> armijn: why are you asking ...
13:37 < clifford> btww: I don't want to discuss the design now. I'm more concerned about the content.
13:38 < esden> armijn: I also have to go to poland ... and solve a little problem about my military service
13:38 < armijn> esden: you could come over, to help with PA-RISC and IA-64 :)
13:38 < armijn> urgh, militairy service...
13:39 < esden> armijn: ok good idea
13:39 < armijn> heheh :)
13:39 < clifford> armijn: is there a reason why you don't use kernel.conf.cpp in your patch?
13:39 < esden> armijn: i am on it ;-)
13:39 < armijn> clifford: that's just used for crosscompiling, right? or not?
13:39 < fake> .cpp ??
13:40 < clifford> armijn: it's used for building the packages 'linux' and 'modules'.
13:40 < armijn> ah.
13:40 < armijn> clifford: patches for the kernel will follow tomorrow or monday :)
13:40 < fake> i thought it's only kernel.conf ?
13:40 < armijn> clifford: the kernel needs some more...ehr...tweaks
13:40 < clifford> fake: in 1.5.x kernel.conf is created from a kernel.conf.cpp.
13:41 < clifford> fake: so common stuff like choosing ext2fs is done in a include file.
13:41 < fake> oh, ok. i'm at 1.7
13:41 < clifford> fake: in 1.7 we are using m4 for that and kernel.conf is generated from kernel.conf.m4 ..
13:41 < esden> armijn: with tweaks you mean total redesign ? ;-)
13:41 < fake> i know :P
13:42 < armijn> esden: no no
13:42 < esden> armijn: aha ok ... puhh 
13:42 < armijn> esden: it's just some tweaks for getting header files right
13:42 < esden> ahh ok 
13:42 < clifford> armijn: and that's not possible based on kernel.conf.cpp ??
13:42 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A6E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux
13:42 < snyke> hi
13:42 < esden> hi snyke 
13:43 < fake> hi snyke
13:43 < armijn> clifford: ehr? what's not possible? getting the header files right?
13:43 < armijn> clifford: absolutely not
13:43 < clifford> armijn: header files??
13:43 < huebi> http://www.dyndns.org/ <- An example how I like a Homepage. on the top and on the left all major links of the whole site. I don't have to click to much. 
13:43 < armijn> clifford: yeah. header files. you see, I need both sparc and sparc64 header files (and asm stuff).
13:44 < armijn> and that requires some tweaks
13:44 < clifford> huebi: we have the same on www.rocklinux.org ...
13:44 < armijn> but it's got nothing to do with kernel.conf.cpp
13:44 < armijn> I haven't looked into that yet
13:44 < armijn> first there were other problems to solve...
13:44 < clifford> armijn: ok - i see.
13:44 < armijn> clifford: sparc and sparc64 kernels are somewhat...ehr...weird
13:45 < armijn> oh, btw, I had to disable the install of some info files for the egcs64 package...is it a shame if they don't get installed?
13:45 < armijn> (patches for that package coming soon)
13:45 < armijn> and I had to patch autoconf as well
13:46 < esden> why autoconf @ armijn 
13:46 < esden> is it different on sparc ?
13:47 < armijn> esden: no, but the configure script for autoconf searches first for mawk, then awk, gawk and nawk
13:47 < huebi> Why does http://www.rocklinux.org/ differ from http://www1.rocklinux.org/ ?
13:47 < armijn> and uses the first one it can find
13:47 < armijn> esden: on my Debian system it is mawk
13:47 < armijn> esden: so the autoconf shell script wants /usr/bin/mawk, which I don't have in my chroot
13:48 < armijn> and it starts complaining "please install gawk!"
13:48 < armijn> and stuff like that...
13:48 < huebi> Ahh I got it ;-)
13:48 < armijn> because it things my "mawk" in the chroot is broken, which is not even there
13:48 < fake> armi:
13:48 < armijn> s/things/thinks/
13:48 < clifford> huebi: differ in which way?  (some files are not corrdctly updated on www1 and www2 - I'm sending mails about that to chris for some weeks now ...)
13:49 < esden> armijn: ahh right I read about it in rock-ports
13:49 < fake> apt-get install gawk ; rm /etc/alternative/awk ; ln -s /usr/bin/gawk /etc/alternatives/awk
13:49 < armijn> fake: hey, I don't even want to install gawk on my Debian system
13:49 < fake> voila ;)
13:49 < armijn> fake: I totally screwed it up, apt-get doesn't work anymore >:->
13:49 < huebi> http://www.rocklinux.org/ is an other page than http://www.rocklinux.org/index.html
13:49 < fake> armijin wget.... gawk.deb ?
13:50 < fake> zmodem... ?
13:50 < armijn> fake: I solved the problem, so it's no big deal...
13:50 < fake> okay. ;)
13:50 < armijn> it's a bit ugly though...
13:50 < clifford> huebi: http://www.rocklinux.org/main-idx.html
13:50 < armijn> (stupid Debian)
13:50 < clifford> huebi: so you get a mirror list when you go directly to www.rocklinux.org ..
13:51 < huebi> clifford: Yes, I understand.
13:51 < armijn> jaja, genau, geil :)
13:52 < clifford> armijn: ??
13:52 < armijn> hmm...what does the austrian 50 eurocent look like?
13:52 < armijn> clifford: just kidding :)
13:52 < huebi> In the Versions text box could be direct links to the download directories. 
13:53 < clifford> huebi: to which?
13:53 < huebi> ROCK Linux Snapshot:
13:53 < huebi>   1.7.0-DEV-200204172020
13:53 < clifford> to www.rocklinux.org/snapshots/ ?
13:54 < clifford> maybe it would be better to make a link to http://www.rocklinux.org/getting.html at the bottom of the box?
13:58 < armijn> hmm...have we thought about a ROCK CD for conferences?
13:58 < armijn> because the conferences are coming (SANE, etc.)
13:58 < clifford> huebi: when is the release of ROCK-1.6 scheduled?
13:59 < huebi> clifford: better to  www.rocklinux.org/snapshots/
13:59 < armijn> the target of 1.6 has never been officially stated
13:59 < armijn> as in: full build (base + opt) for IA-32 and base for ports
14:00 < clifford> huebi: I don't want to point directly to the snapshots without pointing directly to the releases ..
14:00 < esden> <INFO>something is wrong with the standard network init scripts in rock ... lo device is not having an ip at default</INFO>
14:01 < esden> is that known ?
14:01 < clifford> esden: ifconfig lo is in boot (1.5) or system (1.7)
14:02 < esden> armijn: where do you get a IA-64 machine from ?
14:03 < esden> clifford: ok i will have a look at it ...
14:03 < armijn> esden: will do it onsite at HP
14:04 < armijn> hmm...gotta do an assignment now
14:04 < armijn> will be back in 10 minutes :)
14:05 < th_> re
14:07 < esden> armijn: ahh cool ... I will look what I can do to come and help you ;-)
14:07 < fake> working onsite is ugly -_- except if you get coffee for free and readily made ;)
14:08 < fake> and some cookies... and catering
14:08 < fake> (what you get at Sun, btw ^^)
14:09 < clifford> .. that's what I like about beeing a trainer .. :-)
14:09 < huebi> clifford: since 2h00 this morning I have a phpgroupware up and running to get all my schedules to work. First I have to build a homepage for 1.[5,6], then there are a few scripts to be build to deploy snapshots easier. In the Moment I have no scedule for 1.6. I want, but don't know if it is possible, to get e schedule in the next to days. Saturday and sunday I have plenty of time for all that stuff, my wife and doughter are not at home in this time.
14:09 < fake> ;))
14:09 < snyke> *flood* :)
14:10 < clifford> huebi: I see ...  :-)
14:10 < clifford> about the HP ..
14:10 < fake> huebi> is your wife good-looking?
14:10 < huebi> fake: Yes
14:10 < fake> huebi then we can make a deal
14:11 < fake> you give fake wife
14:11 < huebi> fake: Why do you ask? ;)
14:11 < clifford> fake: why are you asking !?   :-)
14:11 < fake> fakes gives huebi time
14:11 < fake> ;))
14:11 < clifford> FIGHT!
14:11 < fake> j/k
14:11 < clifford> :-)
14:11 < huebi> *LoooL*
14:11 < fake> esden needs a wife more badly ;)
14:12 < huebi> fake: better two for esden ?
14:12 < fake> at least
14:13 < fake> the more the better ;)
14:13 * fake again intonates the polish national hymn...
14:13 < clifford> .. about the HP ..
14:13 < fake> hai?
14:14 < huebi> clifford: jo?
14:14 < clifford> it's hard to give one download location since you need the ROCK sources and the packages ..
14:15 < huebi> 14:07 >>> clifford [~clifford@M105P002.dipool.highway.telekom.at] requested CTCP PING 2125621516 from huebi <- What does this mean?
14:15 < clifford> the construct of the ROCK sources downloading the package sources should be explained to the user before pointing him to a download location (imo).
14:15 < fake> jo
14:16 < fake> also thet "getting rock linux" should be emphasized
14:16 < clifford> huebi: you have been silent for over 5 minutes - I wanted to see if you are still there or have been disconnected.
14:16 < fake> i always have to look for it twice
14:16 < huebi> clifford: Thank you!
14:16 < armijn> I don't need a wife, I've got an UltraSparc...
14:16 < fake> ... 1 ?
14:17 < clifford> armijn: hmmmm ... poor boy!  :-)
14:17 < armijn> clifford: and an Indy
14:17 < armijn> and an Alpha,'
14:17 < fake> *grml*
14:17 < clifford> armijn: ok.
14:17 < armijn> and two JavaStations.
14:17 < armijn> who needs a wife :)
14:17 < fake> <-- needs fast indy
14:17 < fake> <-- dislikes 9600 baud consoles
14:18 < snyke> hehe
14:19 < clifford> btw: how importand are binary downloads and iso downloads?
14:19 < fake> VERY important
14:19 < fake> i don't want to compile a distro so i can just have a quick look at i
14:20 < clifford> fake: what - bin or iso?
14:20 < fake> boot iso i'd say
14:20 < huebi> Yes iso is good.
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14:20 < clifford> so the getting.html page could be restructerd:
14:20 < th_> yes. boot-isos are important i think
14:21 < th_> but we should only have links to free-download sites.
14:21 < huebi> make a telnet blinkenlights.nl <- Looking for : Female with E10k.  Is that armijn?
14:21 < th_> like universities
14:21 < clifford> introduction - getting binaries - order - building - ftp mirrors.
14:21 < th_> or sf
14:22 < fake> clifford: building = snapshots + releases?
14:22 < term_emu> re
14:22 < clifford> fake: yes. (currently the last box on the page)
14:22 < huebi> http://www.rocklinux.org/index.html <- I would like to see a complete list of the mailing lists
14:22 < armijn> heubi: no, that's not me.
14:23 < clifford> huebi: http://www.rocklinux.org/mailing-list/
14:23 < huebi> armijn: I thought so, because your room is too small for an E10K
14:23 < fake> armijn would say "Looking for E10k with Female."
14:23 < clifford> huebi: maybe we could make the link easier to find.
14:23 < armijn> hehehe
14:23 < armijn> fake: that's likelier...
14:24 < fake> clifford maybe some logo or something
14:24 < fake> or make it Download
14:24 < clifford> fake: ???
14:24 < fake> everybody is looking for the "Download" link
14:24 < huebi> clifford: Yes, There are some ROCK Linux Mailinglists <- this must be a link
14:25 < huebi> fake: YES - The Download button is missing
14:25 < clifford> It is a link.
14:25 < fake> most ppl i sent to rocklinux.org said "but there is no download..." >_<
14:25 < clifford> should the button also point to the getting.html page?
14:25 < fake> jo
14:25 < fake> that's fine ;)
14:26 < huebi> clifford: The first sentece in the "Mailing Lists and IRC" box has no link
14:27 < huebi> "Building it yourself" more to the top then "Download" 
14:27 < huebi> You can download the entiere ROCK Linux sources from one of the mirrors
14:28 < huebi> <- mirrors - a link to the mirrorrs list
14:28 < clifford> huebi: now the sentence is a link ..
14:28 * fake wants SGI Challenger ... schmoll
14:28 < clifford> huebi: the mirror list is on the same page.
14:29 < clifford> fake: SGI Challenger sucks! You really don't want one ..
14:29 < huebi> http://www.rocklinux.org/mailing-list/ <- and here list with all mailing lists on the top
14:29 < huebi> please
14:29 < huebi> ;)
14:29 < fake> ... at least it'd be faster than this indigo2...
14:29 < clifford> fake: ad it crashes 2-5 times a day.
14:30 < fake> i don't mind, if it crashes fast ;)
14:30 < armijn> Linux doesn't run on the challenger
14:30 < fake> armijn not yet *g*
14:30 < huebi> ROCK Linux Mailinglists <- only these 3 words should be a link
14:31 < clifford> huebi: give me a sec. I'm now hacking my mailing list archive script ..
14:32 < huebi> clifford: kool
14:32 < esden> cu all 
14:32 * -> esden going home ...
14:32 < fake> cu esden ;)
14:32 < huebi> by esden 
14:34 -!- tsa [~tsa@sec-01.bi.devcon.net] has joined #rocklinux
14:34 < tsa> hi
14:34 < huebi> hi tsa 
14:34 < tsa> hi huebi
14:37 < armijn> huebi: so, this weekend you will apply the patches?
14:40 < huebi> armijn: latest at the weekend. My intension is to have a new snapshot regularily on friday (morning?). Then there is something to have fun with at the weekend.  
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14:41 < fake> hi netti
14:41 < tsa> hi netcrow
14:41 < huebi> hi netcrow 
14:41 < clifford> huebi: jetzt ok?
14:42 < netcrow> hi
14:42 < armijn> huebi: so, you might even apply them today :)
14:43 < huebi> clifford: jo, kool
14:43 < huebi> ;)
14:44 < huebi> armijn: I do my very best.
14:44 < fake> same procedure as every year james...
14:44 -!- schirkaan [~bronko@p5085DB36.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
14:44 < schirkaan> hi
14:45 < fake> hi
14:45 < huebi> *LOL*
14:46 < clifford> huebi: jetzt noch besser ...  :-)
14:47 < fake> clifford: typo
14:47 < fake> screenshots.html, second box... do instead of so
14:48 < clifford> fake: fixed
14:49 < fake> kewl
14:50 < fake> *votes for a kdeless target*
14:51 < armijn> vote!
14:53 < tsa> ACK!
14:54 < tsa> seriously....it would be nice to enable/disable gnome/kde stuff in scripts/Config
14:54 < fake> i hat building kde
14:54 < fake> always makes me feel sooo baaad
14:58 < fake> portamus, ergo sumus.
14:59 < armijn> I port, therefor I am
14:59 < fake> we port, therefore we am ;)
14:59 < fake> s/am/are
15:00 < fake> singular would be portum, ergo sum
15:00 < fake> portam
15:00 < armijn> uhrg.
15:00 < fake> sorry
15:01 -!- term_emu is now known as term_aweh
15:02 < clifford> huebi: ftp mirror list is now a seperate file (mirrors.html).
15:06 < th_> huebi: what about uni-darmstadt mirroring?
15:06 < huebi> *click*
15:06 < fake> maybe i could get a gmd mirror...
15:07 < th_> fake: YEA!
15:07 < th_> fake: do it!
15:07 < huebi> fake: go go go :-)
15:07 < fake> okay, i'll ask my boss ;)
15:08 < th_> fake: best would be with ssh-upload facility
15:08 < huebi> th_: ACK
15:08 < fake> i already have ssh to several gmd boxes
15:08 < fake> but i'd prefer automatic mirroring
15:09 < th_> fake: huebi needs to upload because of his slow link ;)
15:09 < huebi> fake: from a private, hidden, master mirror with fast connection
15:09 < huebi> !?
15:09 < th_> gmd is fhg, isn't it?
15:10 < fake> fit
15:10 < th_> so it's uunet?
15:10 < fake> dfn?
15:11 < th_> sure?
15:11 < th_> fhg-iff has 34MBit uunet node
15:11 < fake> dfn.
15:12 < fake> at least here in birlinghoven / sankt augustin
15:12 < th_> ok
15:14 -!- praenti_ZzZz is now known as praenti
15:14 < praenti> hi.
15:14 < praenti> can anyone tell me how the title of the kernel blackbook is?
15:15 * clifford is away: cooking ...
15:16 < armijn> cooking?
15:17 < th_> huebi: i'd rather let darmstadt mirror from fake's gmd-mirror and let gmd connect to my hidden primary
15:20 < fake> build startind ...
15:20 < fake> ./scripts/Build-Pkg: line 106: 28612 Segmentation fault 
15:20 < fake> ./scripts/Build-Target: line 1: 28721 Segmentation fault      $cmd_buildpkg
15:21 < fake> ./scripts/Build-Target: line 1: 28813 Segmentation fault      $cmd_buildpkg
15:21 < fake> ./scripts/Build-Target: line 1: 28747 Segmentation fault      $cmd_buildpkg
15:21 < fake> ./scripts/Build-Target: line 1: 29543 Segmentation fault      $cmd_buildpkg
15:21 < fake> ./scripts/Build-Target: line 1: 29567 Segmentation fault      $cmd_buildpkg
15:21 < tsa> uuups.
15:21 < fake> ./scripts/Build-Target: line 1: 29591 Segmentation fault      $cmd_buildpkg
15:21 < fake> ./scripts/Build-Target: line 1: 29617 Segmentation fault      $cmd_buildpkg
15:22 < fake> ....
15:22 < fake> i won't continue
15:22 < snyke> hehe
15:26 < fake> DAMNED
15:30 < fake> HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP
15:30 < praenti> esden: wenn du das understanding the linux kernel meintest, da habt ihr eins in eurer uni-informatik-bibliothek
15:30 < praenti> esden: schau da mal rein brings mit und dann kaufe ich mir das evtl. ok?
15:31 * praenti is away
15:31 -!- praenti is now known as praenti_away
15:32 < armijn> fake: is that on ontel?
15:32 < fake> no, mips
15:32 < armijn> ehr, intel
15:32 < armijn> aah
15:32 < armijn> hmm
15:32 < armijn> weird
15:32 < fake> what the hell is that?
15:32 < armijn> error in bash?
15:32 < fake> line 106, Build-Pkg
15:32 < fake> should i try sh?
15:32 < armijn> what gets done on line 106?
15:32 < armijn> what does that line read?
15:33 < fake> ./scripts/Build-Pkg $options -maketar . "$1" ; returncode=$?
15:33 < armijn> what does line 106 read?
15:33 < fake> the above
15:33 < fake> line 106 is actually only a "fi"
15:34 < fake> but the line above comes with the segfault error
15:34 < fake> (without the $returncode)
15:34 < fake> so Build-Pkg calls itself with the -maketar option
15:37 < armijn> hmm
15:37 < armijn> so, what does the maketar option do?
15:37 < fake> i dunno
15:37 < fake> i am currently trying to find out what calls Buld-Pkg
15:37 < fake> where is pkgloop?
15:38 < armijn> ?
15:38 < fake> target/generic/build.sh is called by Build-Target
15:39 < fake> which calls pkgloop
15:40 < fake> ah
15:40 < fake> its in scripts/build-functions
15:43 < armijn> so it's b0rken
15:43 < fake> oh, i almost got that.
15:43 < fake> damn it.
15:43 < fake> so i'll have to bite through.... 
15:44 < armijn> hehe, welcome in porting land...
15:47 < fake> its not the compiler
15:47 < fake> i already compiled a complete kernel on the machine
15:47 < fake> what does the script want to tar, anyway?
15:47 < fake> it didn't build anything yet
15:48 < armijn> dunno
15:49 < fake> DAMN
15:49 < fake> cliff, cook faster!
15:50 < armijn> hehe
15:53 < tsa> hehehe
15:53 < fake>  /usr/src/linux has to match the kernel sources in the ROCK Linux
15:53 < fake> is that true?
15:55 < tsa> depends.
15:55 < tsa> which kernel is running?
15:55 < fake> i built the one from oss.sgi.com
15:55 < fake> 2-4-18
15:55 < fake> but massively patched
15:55 < tsa> hm...should be ok.
15:56 < fake> *phew*
15:56 < fake> then why does it crash... -_-
16:00 < tsa> does anybody know if ripclaw can provide other sun stuff cheap?
16:00 < huebi> tsa: Ask him ;-)
16:01 * tsa is still interested in 440mhz cpu, 1gb ram..
16:01 < tsa> a1000 array would be nice, but it's probably very noisy and my girlfriend will kill me..
16:01 < tsa> ;-)
16:02 < fake> T3 ;)
16:02 < tsa> hehe
16:02 < SMP> 440MHz CPU / 1GB are _never_ cheap from Sun ;)
16:02 < fake> hi SMP ;)
16:02 < fake> do you have a sec?
16:02 < tsa> SMP: probably...
16:02 < fake> for me?
16:02 < huebi> 400MHz/8MB = 19000 EUR
16:03 < tsa> *sigh*
16:03 < SMP> fake: me? well, yes
16:03 < fake> smp> when i start Build-Target on the indigo2
16:04 < fake> it builds the tools
16:04 < fake> ... claims to check the flistwrapper
16:04 < fake> )OK)
16:04 < fake> an then says
16:04 < fake> ...
16:04 < fake> ./scripts/Build-Pkg: line 106: 30671 Segmentation fault      ./scripts/Build-Pkg $options -maketar . "$1"
16:05 < fake> oh what could that be, my smp?
16:05 < tsa> huebi: hm...i have an u10 with 256mb and 300mhz... could need some upgrading...
16:05 < SMP> hehe
16:05 < tsa> fake: it's running what OS? you don't try to cross-build from irix, do you?
16:06 < fake> tsa: no, i don't hat speed ^^
16:06 < fake> hate
16:06 < fake> tsa: debian
16:07 < tsa> fake: perhaps you should try building single packages first...
16:07 < fake> smp but the script keeps running...
16:07 < fake> how?
16:07 < armijn> fake: if you disable the flistwrapper?
16:07 < fake> ./scripts/Build-Pkg less
16:07 < fake> Segmentation faul
16:07 < fake> *lol*
16:07 * clifford is back (gone 00:45:04)
16:07 -!- clifford [~clifford@M105P002.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Remote closed the connection)
16:07 < tsa> hm.
16:07 < armijn> clifford is back...and gone...
16:08 < fake> armijn how?
16:08 < armijn> fake: ./scripts/Config
16:08 < fake> in Config replace "flistwrapper" with nothing?
16:08 < armijn> fake: see how it is done there...
16:08 < fake> jop
16:08 < armijn> play around with a config file
16:09 < fake> strace is not a good idea either, right?
16:09 < armijn> no
16:09 < fake> i'll try the timestamp thing
16:10 < SMP> fake: well I have no idea. I don't know the 1.7 scripts yet
16:10 < fake> SMP: i thought so. thanks anyway ;)
16:10 < fake> == 23:10:49 =[0]=> Building base/00-dirtree [0000 1.7.0-DEV-200204161451].
16:10 < fake> *YEEEHAW*
16:11 < fake>  Finished building package 00-dirtree.
16:11 < SMP> fake: what Distro are you building on?
16:11 < tsa> debian
16:11 < fake> smp debian and yes, i replaced mawk ;)
16:11 < SMP> what version / release?
16:11 < fake> the latest?
16:11 < tsa> fake: why do you have to replace mawk?
16:12 < tsa> <- just curious
16:12 < fake> tsa some autoconf thing
16:12 < tsa> hm...i see. thanks-
16:12 -!- clifford [~clifford@M102P005.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
16:12 < fake> re cliff
16:12 < tsa> welcome back, clifford
16:12 < clifford> fake: still need help?
16:13 < fake> not really
16:13 < fake> not until the next crash ;)
16:13 < clifford> so you solved the segfault problem?
16:13 < fake> clifford: it was the flist wrapper
16:13 < clifford> aha?
16:14 < fake> armijn pointed me to the option in scripts/Config
16:14 < SMP> dynamic linking madness is common on MIPS :>
16:14 < fake> i chose the timestamp method and now it works
16:15 < clifford> fake: did you try the strace method? (it should be faster than timestamp)
16:15 < fake> clifford: randomness?
16:15 < SMP> I doubt there is an strace for mips at all
16:15 < fake> and that, too :)
16:16 < clifford> using timestamp is not a solution ..
16:16 < clifford> well - it is - but not really - see?
16:17 < SMP> this will be a minor problem
16:17 < SMP> be prepared! ;>
16:17 < fake> aawww... i hate things smp calls "minor problems"
16:18 < fake> i'm curious wether 2.4.18 will compile unpatched
16:18 < SMP> I guess it will
16:18 < fake> it didn't when o tried 3 days ago
16:18 < fake> i
16:18 < SMP> but it won't work
16:18 < fake> some redefinitons
16:18 < fake> i don't care about the kernel for now
16:18 < armijn> fake: disable flist-wrapper
16:19 < armijn> I had to do the same on sparc
16:19 < fake> i did :)
16:19 < armijn> only on sparc I got a better warning ;))
16:19 < armijn> so it's building?
16:19 < fake> and i'm going to got to work now.
16:19 < fake> armijn jop.
16:19 < fake> *go to work
16:19 < armijn> heh, just let it build :)
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16:19 < fake> sure. see ya later!
16:20 < clifford> fake: can your mips be reached from outside?
16:21 < clifford> I want to see what's wrong with flist wrapper ..
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16:22 < clifford> armijn: the only difference between "sparc" and "sparc64" is the kernel?
16:23 < armijn> clifford: ehr, and the kernel compiler
16:23 < armijn> clifford: userland is 32 bit on both machines
16:23 < clifford> sore - but the rest is the same?
16:23 < armijn> 64 bit userland on the ultrasparc is still experimental
16:24 < armijn> for the rest it's the same...
16:24 < clifford> so why not creating just one "sparc" architecture and adding a "build 64bit kernel" option for sparc64 ..
16:24 < armijn> just the kernel, compiler and some headerfile tweaks (asm, /usr/include/linux)
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16:24 < armijn> clifford: because I probably miss the headerfile tweaks then
16:24 < clifford> do those headerfile tweaks effect user-land applications?
16:25 < tsa> fake: how fast is you indy? what cpu?
16:25 < armijn> clifford: yes, you will see that in my patch that I will send in tomorrow
16:25 < clifford> that's great!
16:26 < esden> re hi all
16:27 < esden> home sweet home
16:27 < tsa> hi esden
16:27 < tsa> nice to see you
16:27 < esden> tsa: nice to see you too
16:27 < th_> a strace for mips there is
16:28 < huebi> Moep esden :-)
16:29 < th_> fake: SMP: man par
16:29 < clifford> esden: womit erstellst du die irc stats auf deiner homepage?
16:30 < tsa> gruftistats
16:30 < tsa> http://gruftistats.sourceforge.net/
16:31 < netcrow> hi esden 
16:31 < huebi> clifford: Can all .gif be changed to .png on the rocklinux pages?
16:32 < armijn> burn all GIFs!
16:32 < tsa> hehe
16:32 < esden> clifford: mit gruftstats oder wie dass heisst
16:32 < tsa> esden: siehe oben.... ;)
16:32 < tsa> *grins*
16:32 < esden> aja genau
16:32 < esden> ja schon klar
16:33 < esden> I have restarted my alpha build
16:33 < huebi> esden <- uses irssi on LC-Display 20x4 hehe
16:33 < tsa> ROTFL..
16:33 < esden> huebi: not _yet_
16:34 < huebi> esden: 16x2?
16:34 < esden> not yet either ...
16:34 < esden> I have to write a plugin for irssi first ...
16:35 < tsa> esden: so you still have a monitor, do you? ;-)
16:35 * tsa waits for esden to release quake3 for lcdproc ;-)
16:35 < esden> yes three all conected to one box ;-)
16:35 < huebi> tsa: no, a braille display, I bet
16:36 < tsa> huebi: hehehe
16:36 < tsa> hm...there is a tty-quake, afaik.
16:36 < huebi> 3 braille displays in a row
16:36 < esden> tsa: sure
16:37 < huebi> tty-quake <- *sofortundaufderstellehabenwill*
16:37 < esden> huebi: saugen ;-)
16:37 < huebi> where?
16:37 < huebi> url
16:37 < esden> rock-get install tty-quake
16:37 < tsa> http://webpages.mr.net/bobz/ttyquake/
16:37 < tsa> da.
16:38 < huebi> Danke *freu* (quake auf der E4500, hehe, am terminal)
16:38 < tsa> *lol*
16:38 < clifford> huebi: I have no 'imagemagick' on the host and without it it would be more than 5 minutes of work to convert all the .gif files ...
16:38 < esden> I hate my 10Mbit network !!!!
16:38 < esden> argh
16:39 < tsa> Run the 'ttyquake' script from your Quake directory.
16:39 < tsa> Put your head between your legs and breathe deeply until the shock wears off.
16:39 < tsa> hahahaha
16:39 < esden> I want abigger harddisk in my alpha >_<
16:40 < huebi> clifford: moment , I replaced it on rocklinux.dyndns.org. 5000$ for a sit with gif's is a little bit too much :(
16:40 < huebi> wait a minut
16:40 < huebi> e
16:41 < huebi>  If you have to ask why, you're not a member of the intended audience. Please go on about your business and accept my apologies for this distraction. *LOOL*
16:42 -!- term_emu [~pm@beaufort.wyzant.de] has joined #rocklinux
16:42 < term_emu> hi
16:42 < tsa> huebi: hehe
16:42 -!- netcrow is now known as net|netda
16:42 < term_emu> someone here who wants to do me a favour?
16:42 < th_> we are all thrilled doing a favour to you
16:43 < term_emu> :}
16:43 < tsa> any general opinion on seagate scsi disks? i've only been using ibm so far...
16:43 < term_emu> plz telnet 195.143.238.197 80
16:43 < th_> Connected to 195.143.238.197.
16:43 < th_> Escape character is '^]'.
16:43 < term_emu> urgs :)
16:43 < th_> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
16:43 < th_> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:44:37 GMT
16:43 < th_> Server: Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) PHP/4.0.6 mod_perl/1.25
16:43 < term_emu> thx
16:43 < tsa> Server: Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) PHP/4.0.6 mod_perl/1.25
16:43 < tsa> SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_2.5.2p2
16:44 < tsa> you want to upgrade ssh.
16:44 < term_emu> ic :)
16:44 < term_emu> firewalls not working :)
16:44 < term_emu> hmm
16:44 < term_emu> try again plz
16:45 < th_> telnet 195.143.238.197 80
16:45 < th_> oups
16:45 < th_> Connected to 195.143.238.197.
16:45 < th_> Escape character is '^]'.
16:45 < term_emu> grmpf
16:45 < th_> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
16:45 < th_> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:46:23 GMT
16:45 < th_> Server: Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) PHP/4.0.6 mod_perl/1.25
16:46 < huebi> clifford: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/gif2png/ <- all you need to change a whole site in very short time :-)
16:47 < esden> clifford: mail sent !
16:47 * tsa bookmarking URL.
16:48 < tsa> again: any general opinion on seagate scsi disks? i've only been using ibm so far...
16:48 < huebi> tsa: sie geht oder sie geht nicht. Schneller Support wenn die mal kaputt sind.
16:48 < tsa> huebi: hm...
16:48 < tsa> huebi: sun scheint ausschliesslich seagate zu verbauen...
16:49 < th_> nein
16:49 < huebi> und toschiba
16:49 < th_> sub verbaut auch fuji
16:49 < tsa> hm...ok
16:49 < th_> s/sub/sun/
16:49 < huebi> s/toschiba/fuji/
16:49 < tsa> ibm ide wollte auf jeden fall in der sun nicht tun. seagate ide ohne probleme
16:49 < armijn> heh...I just use SCSI
16:49 < huebi> segate und IBM sind bei einigen Modellen nur anders gelabelt.
16:50 < armijn> hey du!
16:51 * armijn brushing up on his Geran
16:51 < huebi> libmng is for animated PNG's
16:51 < armijn> ehr, German
16:51 < term_emu> th_: could you telnet once again?
16:51 < th_> Trying 195.143.238.197...
16:51 < th_> seems dropping
16:51 < term_emu> ok, nice... thank you :)
16:52 < clifford> huebi: configure: error: PNG library is missing! Please get it.
16:52 < clifford> esden: hab's gelesen.
16:53 < esden> clifford: Ich warte auf antwort mit attachment ;-)
16:53 < esden> clifford: wie oft soll ich syncen ?
16:53 < esden> ich wuerde sagen 15 min abstand
16:53 < esden> oder 10 ...
16:54 < armijn> tsa: you sent in the libxml2 patch right? for 1.5? huebi wants it unsigned...
16:54 < fake> damn denouncers!
16:54 < tsa> armijn: *sigh*
16:54 < esden> fake: ???
16:54 < fake> nevermind.
16:54 < armijn> tsa: sorry :)
16:54 < esden> fake: what is wrong ???
16:54 < tsa> armijn: no problem.
16:55 < fake> nuttin'
16:55 < armijn> (they ran out of muffins)
16:55 < tsa> huebi: patch is here: http://www1.rocklinux.org/mailing-list/rock-linux/2002-4/141.p3_desc.patch
16:55 < fake> W00T!
16:55 < armijn> (fake needs his daily dosis of muffins)
16:55 < fake> i really compiled!
16:55 < fake> == 04/18/02 23:31:00 =[0]=> Finished building package linux.
16:55 < tsa> fake: cool!
16:55 < th_> tsa: the patch was for 1.7, was it?
16:55 < armijn> fake: now get ready for glibc!
16:55 < tsa> th_: yes.
16:56 < fake> == 23:31:17 =[0]=> Building base/glibc [2.2.5 1.7.0-DEV-200204161451].
16:56 < fake> ;))
16:56 < tsa> th_: all patches i send to the mailing list apply to 1.7
16:56 < th_> is the version for 1.5 autoconverted?
16:56 < armijn> fake: I had looooooads of trouble with glibc
16:56 < huebi> clifford: ftp://swrinde.nde.swri.edu/pub/png/src/libpng-1.2.2.tar.bz2
16:56 < tsa> th_: i did not send any 1.5 patch. 
16:56 < tsa> but it can be hand-applied easily.
16:57 < fake> armijn: no... now i can't watch it anymore... my nerves...
16:57 < th_> ok so i'll do it
16:57 < huebi> clifford: http://www.gzip.org/zlib/zlib-1.1.4.tar.gz <- libpng
16:57 < tsa> i currently don't have a 1.5 tree at home...
16:57 < armijn> fake: and it takes about 4 hours on my ultra1
16:57 < huebi> for libpng, i mean
16:57 < fake> armijn the longest compile i ever had was Qt... that bitch...
16:57 < tsa> fake: what cpu does your machine have?
16:58 < tsa> seems pretty fast..
16:58 < fake> r4k @ 150 MhZ
16:58 < tsa> hm...ok
16:58 * tsa didn't say anything.
16:58 < huebi> tsa: THANK YOU
16:58 < tsa> huebi: no problem.
16:58 < huebi> caps lock ;)
16:58 < clifford> esden: ad rsnc: stuendlich wuerde auch reichen
16:58 < clifford> esden: ad antwort: ich bin nicht multitasking-faehig ..
16:58 < tsa> huebi: i'll get a 1.5 tree and submit patches to you directly in the future..
16:59 < th_> tsa: it was even at 2.4.18 here
16:59 < tsa> th_: hehe...
16:59 < clifford> huebi: ich werd jetzt nicht anfangen diverse libs auf meinem aschoen schlancken webserver zu installieren. Ich werd die files remote umwandeln (auch wenns umstaendlicher ist)
17:00 * fake is having a cigarette
17:00 < tsa> clifford: du hattest mit holyolli auf dem letzten ccc-congress mal ueber nen mirror (master?) der rock-linux seiten gesprochen.....ist das eigentlich noch aktuell?
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17:00 < esden> clifford: ad rsnc: jo mache ich so ... 
17:00 < huebi> clifford: ok
17:01 < huebi> tsa: applied ;)
17:01 < th_> huebi: is committed
17:01 < clifford> tsa: so wie's aussieht wird der neue master mirror bei smp stehen (da wart' ich noch auf mail von ihm). Naeheres ist noch nicht ausgearbeitet ..
17:01 < tsa> huebi: ok...
17:01 < tsa> clifford: ok.
17:01 < esden> clifford: ad antwort: hmm dann schaenke ich dir dass hirn vom Pitr ;-) dar hat auch ein Human brain intarface .... dann brauchst nicht auf der tastatur tippen und kannst deine haende fuer andere sachen benutzen ;-)
17:02 < th_> huebi: ich war schneller ;)
17:02 < huebi> hehe
17:02 < tsa> falls gewuenscht, koennte ich wohl auch noch www2.rocklinux.de klarmachen...
17:02 * SMP waiting for harddiscs from huebi ;-O
17:02 < th_> SMP: naechste woche will ich dann cvs angehen...
17:02 < clifford> tsa: cool.
17:03 < esden> mirrors hat man nie zu wenige
17:03 < huebi> I have to clean up 2 of the for disks. I do that today and send them to you tomorrow
17:03 < SMP> huebi: ok, great
17:03 < SMP> I guess I won't be a the office this week anyway ..
17:04 < tsa> ich muss das nur kurz mit chef durchsprechen, sollte kein problem sein...
17:04 < tsa> ok.....feierabend.
17:04 < tsa> cu later.
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17:04 < huebi> tsa: 5 ueberminuten tzz tzz
17:04 < clifford> SMP: btw - wie sieht's jetzt aus mit ftp master? 
17:04 < clifford> huebi: streber.
17:05 < huebi> *ROFL*
17:05 < th_> 17:03:23  * SMP waiting for harddiscs from huebi ;-O
17:06 < SMP> clifford: ohh, hab ich mir noch fast keine Gedanken gemacht. ich hatte eher vor, naechste Woche oder so mich dazu zu aeussern. ich muss auch noch hier etwas abwarten und du klangst nicht so eilig
17:07 < clifford> SMP: ich hab's auch nicht eilig.
17:07 < clifford> hab' nur gefragt weil das thema angeschnitten wurde.
17:08 < SMP> ok
17:08 -!- blindy|away is now known as blindcoder
17:08 < blindcoder> hi
17:10 < esden> hi blindy
17:11 < blindcoder> esden> is it possible to rebuild SOME packages? I always get the following message:
17:11 < blindcoder> Found packages in rock-intel-1.5.14/ -> skipping building of packages!
17:12 < blindcoder> when executing ./scripts/Build-All COPY
17:12 < esden> move the directory away
17:12 < armijn> *sigh*
17:12 < esden> armijn: ???
17:12 < armijn> why does *every* discussion between Pj and rxr end in a flamewar?
17:13 < blindcoder> esden> what directory? I only have the /rock-linux/rock-intel-1.5.14/base-pkgs where ALL built packages reside
17:13 < esden> armijn: dunno they do not like each other ? ... and Pj is a hardskull ?
17:14 < esden> mv rock-intel-1.5.14/ somewhere
17:14 < armijn> esden: Pj is not the easiest guy to work with, but he's good...and he darn well knows what he's talking about
17:14 < blindcoder> esden> doesn't he rebuld EVERYTHING then?
17:14 < armijn> esden: I strongly disagree with rxr about that the sf cvs should be blown up
17:14 < armijn> isn't ROCK about being able to build your own thing?
17:15 < esden> blindcoder: nope ... beside you delete all files in dist/var/adm/logs/
17:15 < armijn> if not, we should rename it...to...SuSE!
17:15 < blindcoder> esden> your funny. afte a Build-ALl he deletes the  whole dist directory
17:15 < blindcoder> s/your/you're/
17:16 < esden> armijn: I disagree with blowing it up too ... (I wrote it in my mail) but it should be sestructured ...
17:16 < esden> haha
17:16 < esden> then you have to rebuild the whole system blindcoder
17:16 < esden> sorry
17:17 < esden> ask huebi what the right approach currently is to prevent it
17:17 < armijn> esden: why? isn't that up to Pjotr?
17:17 * -> esden eating ...
17:17 < blindcoder> no fucking way... I'd rather take apart Build-All and write a script that creates the chroot environment and build only the borken packages
17:17 < armijn> esden: I don't see why rxr is making such a fuzz...
17:18 < huebi> blindcoder just rm -rf rock-intel-1.5.14/ and restart the Build. 
17:20 < huebi> blindcoder: did you touch _nodel_ ?
17:21 < blindcoder> huebi> but that means I have to rebuild EVERYTHING (rebuilding everything because of SIX packages?)
17:21 < blindcoder> yes I did
17:22 < armijn> blindcoder: there's an easier way
17:22 < armijn> blindcoder: remove the log files...
17:22 < huebi> blindcoder: I modified Build-ALL just to copy instead to move all Packages. Diskspace is not such a problem than a few years ago. Better mv rock-intel-1.5.14/ to rock-intel-1.5.14.save
17:22 < armijn> well, at least...that works if the build hasn't finished...
17:23 < fake> blindcoder: hi.
17:23 < fake> blindcoder: is your ftp up again? i want to continue leechin' mahoromatic ;)
17:23 < blindcoder> the log are removed by the Build-All script which - in fact - deletes the entire dist directory where the log-files reside
17:23 < blindcoder> fake> sure
17:24 < huebi> My problem was that the build finishes with a few broken packages and everything has been renamed and moved. So I chaged mv to cp
17:24 < fake> blindcoder: cool *g*
17:24 < blindcoder> or am I just mnissing something... I'll go and check that
17:24 < armijn> fake: Qt is a bitch
17:25 < armijn> fake: in fact, because it's all C++ and gcc is not too good at it for non IA-32 platforms, chances are it won't build at all
17:26 < snyke> wahhh
17:26 < snyke> *schwirr*
17:26 < fake> armijn: glibc still building ;)
17:26 < snyke> so viele puttys - komm spaeter wieder
17:26 < snyke> cu 'til l8er
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17:27 < armijn> fake: of course, that will take a few hours
17:28 < blindcoder> is it possible that there have to be TWO _nodel_ files?
17:29 < huebi> blindcoder: I do not want to use Cleanup anymore. It deleted too much by accident.
17:29 < blindcoder> huebi > yes, that's just the prolem I ahve... the _nodel_ is there but Cleanup deleted everything...
17:31 < huebi> hmm. That should never happen. I just forgot _nodel_ a few times.
17:31 < armijn> nodel works fine for me
17:32 < blindcoder> hmm maybe I really forget it, created it afterwards and forgot about it... well... another night compiling ;)
17:34 < huebi> Ok. I remove Cleanup from Build-All and other scripts if it's there and leave it in ./scripts for manual use.
17:35 -!- swe_deb [~guest@imhotep.hursley.ibm.com] has joined #rocklinux
17:36 < swe_deb> re
17:36 -!- swe_deb is now known as anders
17:36 * blindcoder just found his mistake
17:37 < huebi> blindcoder: What did you do?
17:37 < blindcoder> I touched _nodel_ in /usr/src/rock-1.5.14 but executed ./scripts/Build-All COPY from /rock-linux >_<
17:37 < huebi> ahh, yes
17:37 < blindcoder> Layer 8 Problem ;)
17:38 < huebi> blindcoder: ??
17:38 < blindcoder> (L)user error ;)
17:38 < armijn> PEBKAC!
17:38 < anders> *grin*
17:39 < huebi> The 8th layer in the network
17:39 < blindcoder> PEBKAC ??
17:39 < armijn> Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair
17:39 < blindcoder> huebi> esden wlways says this if a user is doing something wrong
17:39 < huebi> :-))
17:39 < blindcoder> *lol*
17:40 < armijn> anders: IBM.com? doing a rs6000 port?
17:40 < anders> armijn: uhm.. not quite... :)
17:40 < anders> armijn: I am working on a (secret) project...
17:41 < armijn> aaah, *that* project!
17:41 < fake> fake wants to know secret
17:41 < armijn> everyone I know seems to be working on the "secret" project
17:41 < fake> echo $secret
17:41 < net|netda> secret gameboy-port...
17:41 < anders> armijn: did you read the press release about IBM and HDD's ?
17:41 -!- net|netda is now known as netcrow
17:42 < armijn> anders: yeah, they're gonna ditch them...
17:42 < armijn> (I think)
17:42 < huebi> URL?
17:42 < armijn> but that's no secret
17:42 < anders> armijn: did you see the part about Hitachi licensing an IBM virtualisation product?
17:42 < armijn> anders: no.
17:43 < anders> ok, they will, and that's what I'm working on...
17:43 < anders> :)
17:43 < anders> still lots of hush-hush...
17:43 < fake> netcrow: psst.. don't tell them yet ;)
17:43 < armijn> anders: ehr, quite low level, right?
17:43 < anders> armijn: uhm, you could say that...
17:43 < fake> fake is happy to know secret ;)
17:43 < blindcoder> fake> do you get 1kb/sec? ;)
17:43 < fake> blindcoder: not sure, why?
17:44 < netcrow> fake: sorry, it` your project ;)
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17:44 < armijn> anders: low level is too...ehr...low for me :)
17:44 < Mike1> hi
17:44 < armijn> huebi http://money.cnn.com/2002/04/16/technology/bc.tech.ibm.hitachi.reut/index.htm
17:45 < huebi> armijn: Thank you
17:45 < blindcoder> fake> just wanteds to know... too lazy to look it up by myself ;)
17:46 < fake> me too ;)
17:46 < fake> 4.88 kB/s @ blindcoder 
17:46 < armijn> anders: you could also do a rs6000 port...
17:46 < anders> armijn: if /me knew C, perhaps.. :)
17:46 * anders is no great coder..
17:46 < Mike1> armijn nice patches
17:46 < armijn> anders: nah, you don't need that much C knowledge for porting ROCK
17:46 -!- netcrow is now known as net|eat
17:47 < armijn> mike1: yeah, well...that's just the beginning :)
17:47 < armijn> mike1: more interesting patches tomorrow
17:47 < Mike1> armijn yeah i will run them on the Ultra 5 at the office
17:47 * anders would like a Regatta to run Linux on...
17:47 < blindcoder> okay, recompiling. this time with the _nodel_ in the RIGHT place ;)
17:47 < Mike1> them i will go for the Blade at home
17:48 < clifford> Ad RS/6k port: It's already done and the stuff which don't work right now can't be done without C and GDB knowledge ..
17:48 < clifford> s/don't/doesn't/ .. /me needs some sleep .. :-)
17:48 < armijn> hmm...ok, another IBM port then ;)
17:48 < armijn> zSeries...
17:48 < Mike1> hi clifford how is ur arm doing?
17:49 < clifford> it's fine (I can type :-)
17:49 < Mike1> clifford great!
17:49 < armijn> mike1: wait for my newer patches before you start building
17:50 < anders> clifford: going to be careful around horses in future? :)
17:50 < Mike1> armijn i will just apply ur patches at the moment
17:50 < Mike1> and wait for the ones you will send tomorrow
17:50 < clifford> armijn: We have already the 'hercules' package - so you can start doing a zSeries port, if you want ...   :-)
17:50 < armijn> mike1: good
17:50 < armijn> clifford: if you get me a zSeries machine
17:50 < term_emu> fuck
17:51 < armijn> first need to do PA-RISC
17:51 < clifford> armijn: hercules = s/390 emulater
17:51 < term_emu> mein vater rief grad aus mailand an... er sagte, dort sei ein flugzeug in ein hochaus geflogen
17:51 < armijn> clifford: does it run on sparc?
17:51 < term_emu> uebel....
17:51 < clifford> armijn: I think so - but I only tried it on intel so far ...
17:52 < armijn> term_emu: plane crash?
17:52 < armijn> (where's mailand?)
17:52 < huebi> armijn: in the north of italy
17:53 < armijn> aah, milan
17:53 < huebi> armijn: exact
17:53 < term_emu> armijn: seems so
17:55 < anders> sep 11 copy?
17:55 < anders> or just an accident?
17:56 < fake> let's hope it's "just" an accident...
17:57 -!- hackbard [~hackbard@p50807A85.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
17:57 < fake> hi hackbard !
17:57 < hackbard> hi
17:57 < fake> you've got a mipsel right?
17:58 < hackbard> fake: cyber910 thast all i know by now :)
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17:58 < bluefire> Moin
17:58 < fake> should be little endian
17:58 < hackbard> hi bluefire
17:58 < hackbard> fake: okay, then i have to download the other kernelimage and nfsroot :..
17:58 < armijn> hackbard has no mipsel, but mips
17:58 < fake> hackbard then you will have to do a mipsel port all by yourself
17:59 < hackbard> i took mips
17:59 < armijn> hackbard: the indigo right?
17:59 < armijn> that's mips
17:59 < armijn> not mipsel
17:59 < armijn> and currently unsupported by Linux.
17:59 < th_> n24
17:59 < fake> cyber910? = indigo2?
17:59 < th_> just very short mentioning
17:59 < armijn> hackbard: you got another mips machine?
17:59 < Mike1> hi hackbard 
17:59 < armijn> fake: hackbard has an indigo, not indigo2
18:00 < armijn> fake: biiiiiig difference
18:00 < fake> armijn oh, okay
18:00 < fake> armijn i know ;)
18:00 < armijn> indigo is r3000
18:00 < hackbard> ur all too fast for me :p
18:00 < hackbard> i just shut up :)
18:00 < armijn> hackbard: good :)
18:01 < huebi> Please ignore This line. It's just to raise my stats. :-))
18:01 < armijn> huebi!
18:01 < armijn> shut up!
18:02 < huebi> *LOL*
18:02 < Mike1> huebi are there any mirrors for 1.5.14?
18:02 < clifford> .. i could post a full copy of the logs for my current build ..
18:02 < clifford> .. that should make me #1 in the stats ..
18:03 < armijn> clifford: then you will be kicked for flooding
18:03 < huebi> Mike1: Not yet, i'm now planning my time
18:03 < huebi> for the nest weeks
18:04 < fake> <-- going to get some food
18:04 < fake> or something
18:04 < fake> cya later
18:04 < term_emu> news
18:04 < huebi> fake <- The big hunter
18:04 < armijn> bye fake
18:04 < huebi> by fake 
18:04 < term_emu> passagierflugzeug
18:04 < Mike1> huebi ok please let me know
18:05 < huebi> Mike1: Yes, of course. At first here in this channel ;)
18:05 < armijn> "Live, on #rocklinux"
18:07 < armijn> Small Piper plane hits skyscraper in Milan, Italy, setting top floors on fire,
18:07 < armijn>                               according to news agencies. Details soon. 
18:07 < armijn> according to CNN
18:11 < blindcoder> BCL
18:12 < huebi> armijn: URL
18:12 < huebi> ?
18:12 < armijn> europe.cnn.com
18:12 < huebi> Ahh, I found it
18:13 < huebi> http://www.reuters.com/
18:15 < armijn> hmm
18:16 < esden> re
18:16 * clifford finished *.gif => *.png ...
18:16 < esden> puhh ... now I need something to drink ;-)
18:16 < th_> good
18:17 < huebi> clifford: kool, great, super !
18:17 < clifford> fixed 3182 html files because 38 gifs are now pngs ...
18:17 < th_> we have 3182 html files?
18:18 < esden> th_: I was also shocked as I heard it the first time ;-)
18:18 < clifford> yes.
18:18 < huebi> We need more files to be as unsearchable as microsoft.com. :-)
18:19 < esden> lol
18:19 < th_> do these 3182 files have a URL? ;)
18:19 < clifford> most of it is the mailing list archive (2385)/
18:19 < th_> ahh
18:19 < th_> ok
18:19 < clifford> th_: yes.
18:20 < clifford> 635 are the package descriptions.
18:20 < th_> ahhh
18:21 < th_> n24
18:21 < clifford> so the homepage is only 162 html files ..   :-)
18:21 < th_> bilder aus italien
18:21 < term_emu> uebel
18:21 < huebi> th_: URL?
18:21 < armijn> hmm...what's n24?
18:21 < th_> bttv://n24
18:21 < term_emu> das war sicher kein unfall... das ist der einzige wolkenkratzer in mailand
18:21 < th_> CNN as well
18:22 < th_> same picture
18:22 < th_> n24 speaks of terrorist acts
18:22 < term_emu> sure
18:22 < armijn> no pictures on CNN here (no TV, just web)
18:23 < esden> who needs tv ? when you have web ?
18:23 < esden> and a DVD drive ;-)
18:23 < huebi> *LOOOOL* CNN is still living in the stone age. For them Yugoslavia still exits.
18:23 < armijn> esden: well...haven't seen pictures yet...
18:23 < armijn> huebi: but it does...
18:24 < armijn> huebi: it's just been renamed :)
18:24 < esden> loool
18:24 < armijn> huebi: you can see croatia, etc.
18:24 < huebi> But better than last time
18:25 < huebi> Hungary was in switzerland ;-))))
18:25 < armijn> hmm
18:25 < armijn> but it is!
18:25 < armijn> right?
18:25 < huebi> ARRG!
18:25 < armijn> at least they got it correct that it's next to austria
18:25 < armijn> :)
18:25 < clifford> http://www.clifford.at/funpic/cnn_europe.jpg
18:25 * SMP playing Rick Dangerous (xrick)
18:26 < armijn> clifford: ehr.
18:26 < huebi> clifford: YES, thats what I meant
18:26 < SMP> anyone know a Boulder Dash clone for X?
18:26 < clifford> huebi: let's hope they have better maps of afghanistan ..
18:27 < armijn> well, the czech republic and switzerland do look like each other...
18:27 < armijn> the shape I mean...
18:27 < clifford> armijn: what?
18:27 < armijn> ehr...
18:27 < armijn> hmm :)
18:27 < huebi> *LOOOOOOL*
18:28 < armijn> you know that "lol" means "fun" in Dutch?
18:28 < huebi> no, but thats interesting.
18:28 < clifford> armijn: however - they have removed austria!
18:28 < armijn> clifford: of course!
18:29 < huebi> *abkackundvomstuhlfall*
18:29 < armijn> I would do that...
18:29 < clifford> but maybe they removed the netherlands and just MOVED austria!
18:30 < armijn> nah, it's easier to just flood the netherlands, instead of removing it
18:30 * -> esden is loughing and rolling under the table
18:30 < huebi> esden: me too, me too
18:31 < SMP> CCN can't flood the netherlands. according to their picture that's where the Alpen mountains are, no?
18:31 < SMP> CNN that is
18:31 < armijn> luckily the Alps aren't here...
18:32 < armijn> oh boy, just imagining what it must be like to climb to school everyday
18:33 < SMP> armijn: or slide down a rope, depending on ...
18:33 < SMP> ;>
18:33 < huebi> armijn: Eiger Nordwand in 4h..
18:35 < armijn> brrr
18:35 < huebi> cu later. "Feia_abnd!"
18:35 < huebi> ;)
18:35 < armijn> still no pictures
18:35 < armijn> bye huebi
18:35 < armijn> apply my pathces!
18:35 < armijn> ehr, patches
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18:45 * armijn off
18:45 < armijn> cu
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19:11 < tsa> hi again
19:14 < clifford> I have to go now (the club opens at 20:00 CET)
19:14 < tsa> have fun, clifford
19:15 < clifford> tsa: .. I have to work there. :-)
19:15 < tsa> oh...ok.
19:15 * clifford is working as DJ ..
19:16 < clifford> cu
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19:18 < anders> night night..
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19:33 < netcrow> hi
19:33 < netcrow> huebi: da?
19:33 < blindcoder> re netcrow
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19:34 < Mike1> re
19:36 < esden> test
19:37 < rxr> Mike1: I currently try to get the gcc-3.1-pre on your sparc running - although it needs some fixing to build ...
19:38 * -> esden waiting for the next cron cycle ...
19:38 * blindcoder is out of desktops >_<
19:39 < Mike1> rxr nice is there anything that you need/want me to install on it?
19:39 < esden> blindcoder: open new screens
19:40 < blindcoder> esden> you know... I have now 2 Monitors on 6 Desktops with about 10 xterms and a scren in each and every one of them...
19:40 < tsa> huebi: awake?
19:40 < blindcoder> i think I'll add some desktops to my icewm and restart it :D
19:41 < esden> blindcoder: do it
19:41 < rxr> Mike1: no thanks! It only needs some hacking: currently it fails with /usr/bin/ld: cannot open /usr/lib64/crti.o: No such file or directory. I'll investigate this lateer
19:41 < tsa> rxr?
19:42 < Mike1> rxr BTW sorry for the reset earlier i had to move my station to another room
19:42 < tsa> did you already upgrade libxslt in your patches?
19:42 < Mike1> hi tsa 
19:42 < blindcoder> soo... 3 new desktops filled wi 3 xterm ;)
19:42 < tsa> hi Mike1
19:43 < blindcoder> esden> I'm going to handle my mail and news locally... taking both off apollo
19:43 < esden> ok ...
19:43 * -> esden moving irclogs & ircstat off apollo
19:44 < netcrow> why that?
19:44 < blindcoder> QoS works just fine but I hate having these small delays that are still there...
19:45 < rxr> tsa: Yes - it got even applied by Cliff today ;-)
19:45 * tsa running scripts/Update-Src -all
19:45 * rxr puzzled reading armijn's mail - he really doesn't know the sf ext-config ... ? :-(
19:45 < esden> netcrow: wee the cron is running
19:46 < esden> netcrow: I have to ... traffic ... you know ?
19:47 < rxr> tsa: there is no new snapshot yet ...
19:47 < tsa> rxr: 
19:47 < tsa> [D] 3163993145 libxslt-1.0.15.tar.gz ftp://xmlsoft.org/
19:47 < tsa> i know...
19:47 * rxr buying foods ...
19:48 < tsa> anyway....1.0.16 builds without problems.
19:48 < rxr> tsa: yes
19:48 * tsa wants a new snap
19:48 < rxr> and Cliff applied the patch already there is simply no new snap yet :-(
19:48 * rxr way
19:49 < esden> ircstats moved to : http://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/ircstat/
19:49 < netcrow> esden: hm...the connection of user is rising higher...and so...the download more?
19:49 < esden> irclogs moved to : http://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/irclogs
19:50 < esden> irclog moved to : http://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/irclog
19:51 < th_> should be linked somewhere on the homepage.
19:51 < esden> yes that is why I moved it
19:51 < esden> cuz I can not carry the traffic
19:51 < netcrow> esden: 2 Gb in a half month is much?
19:52 < esden> definitly yes
19:52 < tsa> esden: how muc do you have to pay per gb?
19:53 < tsa> +h
19:53 < esden> not me but my club ...
19:54 < esden> and I get problems if I produce too much 
19:54 < tsa> understandable..
19:54 < tsa> http://www.dnn-online.de/ratgeber/ratgeber_fotos/logo_doc_esden.gif
19:54 < tsa> *lach*
19:55 < blindcoder> *LOOOOOOL*
19:56 < tsa> hm...
19:56 < tsa> according to images.google.com, this is me: http://www.si.edu/opa/latino/tsa.gif
19:56 < tsa> interesting..
19:56 < netcrow> hm, if i had a gratis provider who give me a shellaccount, then i will move my domain ;) 
19:57 * tsa feeling kinda ...strange.
19:58 * tsa using images.google.com with nicks from here and laughing my ass off...
19:59 < netcrow> hehe
19:59 < tsa> wanna see hackbard?
19:59 < tsa> http://www.d200.mchenry.k12.il.us/test/graphics/photos2/hackbart.gif
19:59 < tsa> *giggle*
20:01 < tsa> huebi changed a lot, too.... http://www.praterinsel.org/people/huebner/images/huebi_maske.gif
20:02 < tsa> http://www.transportation.ucla.edu/cguide/Clifford.JPG
20:03 < hackbard> :)
20:03 < esden> lool
20:04 * SMP hopes he looks like a 24-way SGI PowerChallenge, not like 2-way Intel crap ;>
20:06 -!- thalerim [~be@pD9E49CC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:06 < thalerim> hi
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20:08 < Mike1> hi thalerim 
20:08 < thalerim> hi Mike1
20:15 < Mike1> hackbard you here?
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20:51 < esden> http://totl.net/Eunuch/index.html
20:52 < thalerim> rxr: http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/ <- wäre das net ein package wert?
20:53 < esden> *surf*
20:54 < rxr> thalerim: jo! Look nice ;-)
20:54 < esden> ahh sure I know this
20:54 < esden> if you want to package it do it
20:54 < thalerim> hm.. don't know how
20:55 < esden> I will install blackbox and evilwm on my laptop
20:55 < rxr> thalerim: I can package it (into extra1 ?) ...
20:55 < esden> then I will decide which one of the windowmanagers I have tested and/or used will be packaged
20:56 < thalerim> rxr: what's the difference betwenn extra1 and extra2 ?
20:56 < esden> then rxr get,s a patch ;-)
20:56 < rxr> extra1 is suff maintained by me - extra2 is Cliffs stuff ;-)
20:57 < rxr> This is also documented in the HACKING HOWTO ...
20:57 < esden> or I will request extra3 ;-)
20:57 < rxr> Sure do this ;-)
20:57 < esden> yess I have many packets I want to have in rock ... that are not packaged yet
20:57 < esden> and blindy|away too
20:58 < esden> so we will have a respository together
20:58 < esden> we see each other every day in the train
20:58 < esden> and on the weekend in the pub ;-)
20:58 < rxr> a real Irish pub?
20:58 < esden> wget laptop
20:59 < esden> Shamrock 
20:59 < thalerim> rxr: i have not had time to read it yet
20:59 < esden> yes that is an Irish pub
20:59 < rxr> thalerim: I just compile it - does it run on your box allready?
21:00 < thalerim> i have only downloaded 
21:00 < thalerim> will compile it tomorrow
21:02 < tsa> ERROR: CURL Returned Error 23. Please read the curl manpage.
21:02 < tsa> *sigh* getting just a stupid number is like windows.
21:03 < esden> we have to alter the scripts so that you get intelligent answers ...
21:03 < rxr> thalerim: it is running here, now ;-)
21:04 < esden> rxr: do we already have blackbox in our packages ?
21:04 < esden> and evilwm ?
21:05 < esden> and icewm?
21:05 < rxr> I have it in dRock - I think I already merged it ...
21:05 < rxr> icewm, yes - evilwm, no
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21:05 < Mike> re
21:05 < esden> ahh ok so I will install evilwm on my laptop ;-)
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21:09 < rxr> does s.o. here know why the Alt key doesn't work in a xterm over telnet?
21:10 < rxr> it works in an aterm - but not in an xterm ... ?
21:10 < huebi> rxr: termcap?
21:11 < rxr> huebi: how to fix?
21:11 < huebi> I dont't know
21:11 < rxr> huebi: does it work on one of your boxes?
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21:13 < blindcoder> esden> okay, I won't move my mail from apollo to rs42 >_>
21:13 < blindcoder> something doe not work... and I'm really lazy by now ;)
21:23 < thalerim> urgs
21:24 < thalerim> in a couple of the script is absolutly nonsense
21:24 < thalerim> *scripts
21:27 * thalerim is listening to Creed - who's got my back
21:27 < huebi>  _____         _              ___ 
21:27 < huebi> | ____|___  __| | ___ _ __   |__ \
21:27 < huebi> |  _| / __|/ _` |/ _ \ '_ \    / /
21:27 < huebi> | |___\__ \ (_| |  __/ | | |  |_| 
21:27 < huebi> |_____|___/\__,_|\___|_| |_|  (_) 
21:27 < huebi>                                   
21:27 < huebi> where did yuo put the stats?
21:28 < thalerim> lol
21:28 < blindcoder> http://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/ircstat/
21:28 < thalerim> huebi: did you this with a kind of `banner'?
21:28 < thalerim> or with your own hand
21:31 < huebi> http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/figlet22.tar.gz <- Not so easy to find. Will be my first extension.
21:35 < thalerim> heh, cool
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21:39 < esden> yo
21:39 < esden> sorry I was testing evilwm
21:40 < huebi>             _ _                      ___ 
21:40 < huebi>   _____   _(_) |_      ___ __ ___   |__ \
21:40 < huebi>  / _ \ \ / / | \ \ /\ / / '_ ` _ \    / /
21:40 < huebi> |  __/\ V /| | |\ V  V /| | | | | |  |_| 
21:40 < huebi>  \___| \_/ |_|_| \_/\_/ |_| |_| |_|  (_) 
21:40 < huebi>                                          
21:41 < huebi>  ___   _            _   
21:41 < huebi> |_ _| | |_ ___  ___| |_ 
21:41 < huebi>  | |  | __/ _ \/ __| __|
21:41 < huebi>  | |  | ||  __/\__ \ |_ 
21:41 < huebi> |___|  \__\___||___/\__|
21:41 < huebi>                         
21:41 < huebi>   __ _       _      _   
21:41 < huebi>  / _(_) __ _| | ___| |_ 
21:41 < huebi> | |_| |/ _` | |/ _ \ __|
21:41 < huebi> |  _| | (_| | |  __/ |_ 
21:41 < huebi> |_| |_|\__, |_|\___|\__|
21:41 < huebi>        |___/            
21:41 < huebi>  http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/figlet22.tar.gz
21:41 < Mike> huebi are you having fun?
21:42 < huebi> Yes, biiig fun
21:42 < tsa> hehehe
21:43 < tsa> huebi: you're just trying to cheat with the stats, aren't you? ;-)
21:43 < Mike> tsa of course he is
21:43 < Mike> :P
21:43 < huebi>  _   _       
21:43 < huebi> | \ | | ___  
21:43 < huebi> |  \| |/ _ \ 
21:43 < huebi> | |\  | (_) |
21:43 < huebi> |_| \_|\___/ 
21:43 < huebi>              
21:43 < tsa> LOL
21:44 < esden> ok ... mail sent to the mailinglist saying where the stuff went ...
21:44 < Mike> esden gut
21:44 < huebi> esden: Not nessesary. Everybody _hered_ it ;)))
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21:44 < huebi> +a
21:45 < huebi> hi anders
21:45 < anders> hello again.. :)
21:45 < huebi> do you know figlet
21:45 * anders waiting for build to complete...
21:45 < huebi> hehe
21:45 < anders> figlet? nope..
21:45 < anders> what is it?
21:45 < huebi>   __ _       _      _     ___ 
21:45 < huebi>  / _(_) __ _| | ___| |_  |__ \
21:45 < huebi> | |_| |/ _` | |/ _ \ __|   / /
21:45 < huebi> |  _| | (_| | |  __/ |_   |_| 
21:45 < huebi> |_| |_|\__, |_|\___|\__|  (_) 
21:45 < huebi>        |___/                  
21:45 < anders> *grin*
21:45 < huebi>  http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/figlet22.tar.gz
21:46 < huebi>                  _            
21:46 < huebi> __/\__ __ _ _ __(_)_ __ __/\__
21:46 < huebi> \    // _` | '__| | '_ \\    /
21:46 < huebi> /_  _\ (_| | |  | | | | /_  _\
21:46 < huebi>   \/  \__, |_|  |_|_| |_| \/  
21:46 < huebi>       |___/                   
21:46 < anders> is it a text -> ascii art thingy?
21:47 < huebi> I don't raise my stats, I just make an field test of figlet :-)
21:47 < anders> hehehehe
21:47 < anders> sure.. :)
21:47 < huebi> anders: smal test -> BIG text
21:47 < huebi> s/s/x/
21:47 < huebi> +l
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21:52 < esden> huebi hast jetzt getug getestet ...
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21:52 < huebi> esden: Habe ich Dich etwa ueberholt?
21:53 < huebi> esden: OK
21:53 < esden> nein aber .... naja ... es reicht ...
21:53 < esden> ich habe kein prob wenn du mich ueberholst ...
21:53 < huebi> JO. Hast absolut recht ;)
21:53 < esden> ich rede eh zu viel ..
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21:54 < Mike1> re
21:54 < esden> hehe wenigstens ab und zu gibt mir jemand recht ;-)
21:55 < esden> re Mike1 
21:55 < Mike1> |  \/  (_) | _____  | |_ ___  ___| |_(_)_ __   __ _  | |\/| | | |/ / _ \ | __/ _ \/ __| __| | '_ \ / _` |  | |  | | |   <  __/ | ||  __/\__ \ |_| | | | | (_| |  |_|  |_|_|_|\_\___|  \__\___||___/\__|_|_| |_|\__, |                                                |___/
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21:58 < huebi> Mike1: hehe
21:58 < term_emu> n8
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21:59 < Mike1> yo huebi 
21:59 < Mike1> huebi figlet is fun thanks
21:59 < huebi> pleasure
22:02 < esden> evilwm rulez
22:02 < huebi> esden: This is the super small one? 800k in memory?
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22:04 < jonath[an]> hi
22:04 < huebi>  _   _ _   _ 
22:04 < huebi> | | | (_) | |
22:04 < huebi> | |_| | | | |
22:04 < huebi> |  _  | | |_|
22:04 < huebi> |_| |_|_| (_)
22:04 < huebi>  
22:05 < huebi> jonath[an]: figlet rules!
22:05 < jonath[an]>  \|/ ____ \|/
22:05 < jonath[an]>  "@'/ ,. \`@"
22:05 < jonath[an]>  /_| \__/ |_\
22:05 < jonath[an]>     \__U_/  
22:05 < jonath[an]> sure
22:05 < jonath[an]> :)
22:06 < huebi> jonath[an]: /usr/src/linux/arch/sparc/kernel/traps.c hehe
22:06 -!- tfing [~GD@APoitiers-103-1-3-57.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux
22:06 < tfing> hi
22:06 < huebi> tsa: hi
22:06 < huebi> ups
22:06 < huebi> hi tfing 
22:07 < jonath[an]> sure huebi, there is one
22:07 -!- jonath[an] is now known as tan[away]
22:08 < huebi> cowsay is also kool!
22:08 < huebi>  _______ 
22:08 < huebi> < kool! >
22:08 < huebi>  ------- 
22:08 < huebi>         \   ^__^
22:08 < huebi>          \  (oo)\_______
22:08 < huebi>             (__)\       )\/\
22:08 < huebi>                 ||----w |
22:08 < huebi>                 ||     ||
22:08 < huebi>  
22:09 < huebi> http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/cowsay_3.03.orig.tar.gz
22:10 < esden> re hi all
22:10 * -> esden is chatting in xterm opened in evilwm ;-)
22:11 * tan[away] is chatting behind a icewm ;-)
22:11 < esden> and huebi ... I do not want to know what you were smoking
22:12 < esden> tan[away]: that was what I used before evilwm ;-)
22:13 < huebi>  ____________________________ 
22:13 < huebi> ( Does huebi smoke my grass? )
22:13 < huebi>  ---------------------------- 
22:13 < huebi>         o   ^__^
22:13 < huebi>          o  (oo)\_______
22:13 < huebi>             (__)\       )\/\
22:13 < huebi>                 ||----w |
22:13 < huebi>                 ||     ||
22:13 < huebi>  
22:13 < esden> ahh my mail arrived in the mailisglist ...
22:13 < esden> yes cow definitely
22:14 * tan[away] started a new WM download
22:14 < esden> ;-)
22:15 -!- thalerim [~be@pD9E49CC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:15 < thalerim> re
22:15 < huebi>  ___________________ 
22:15 < huebi> ( Oh no! He doesn't )
22:15 < huebi>  ------------------- 
22:15 < huebi>         o   ^__^
22:15 < huebi>          o  (><)\_______
22:15 < huebi>             (__)\       )\/\
22:16 < huebi>              U ||----w |
22:16 < huebi>                 ||     ||
22:16 < huebi>  
22:16 < huebi> Nice Cows. I like them
22:17 * tan[away] is compiling evilwm
22:17 < thalerim> cow? i see a horse
22:17 < esden> ohh mann ... tztztz
22:18 < tfing> thalerim: horse don't have 'w'
22:18 < tfing> :)
22:18 < Mike1> huebi i guess yu are now raked #1 in the ircstats
22:19 < huebi>  _________________________________________ 
22:19 < huebi> ( I don't think that huebi is on the top  )
22:19 < huebi> ( of the stats. We'll see at next update. )
22:19 < huebi>  ----------------------------------------- 
22:19 < huebi>         o   ^__^
22:20 < huebi>          o  (oo)\_______
22:20 < huebi>             (__)\       )\/\
22:20 < huebi>                 ||----w |
22:20 < huebi>                 ||     ||
22:20 < huebi>  
22:20 < thalerim> ...
22:20 < rxr> huebi: is this realy necessary ?
22:20 < esden> thanks rxr ...
22:20 < huebi> no not at all. I stop now
22:20 < huebi> :-)
22:20 < esden> thankyou huebi ;-)
22:21 < thalerim> yo, cuz he is on the top now :D
22:21 < rxr> huebi: if you wanna be #1 in the stats even posting your ChangeLog might be more informative ;-)
22:22 < esden> yes ...
22:22 < esden> definitly
22:23 * rxr really wonder how irsii can be used in a xterm if Atl doesn't work  ... ?
22:23 < thalerim> i like the huebi's figures (it shows me how he looks) 
22:23 < thalerim> :)
22:23 < tan[away]> ;)
22:23 < huebi> rxr: ESC also works :-)
22:24 < rxr> huebi: ah! Right. Thanks. Now screen runs in a Anti-aliased Xterm ;-)
22:25 < huebi> rxr: kool
22:25 < esden> huh ... 
22:25 < rxr> running irsii in screen on a remote host was a really kool idea ;-)
22:25 * thalerim is listening to KoRn - arizona
22:25 < esden> rxr: sure it is ... ;-)
22:26 < rxr> Mike1: your U5 is stil crunching the gcc-3.1.x ...
22:26 < blindcoder> oyasumi nasai mina-san!
22:27 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy|sleep
22:27 < thalerim> erm
22:27 < thalerim> ho chresim' eidos, uch ho poll' eidos sophos
22:27 < huebi> blindy|sleep <- Hat jetzt bestimmt einen Japanischen Virus
22:28 < Mike1> rxr mmm i see
22:28 < esden> my alpha is also still crunching on rock packets ... and i suppos she will do it next several days ...
22:28 < esden> huebi: no ... he is lerning volantary Jayanese ...
22:28 < thalerim> Uk estin udeis, hostis uch hauto philos
22:28 < esden> I mean Japanese
22:29 < thalerim> <- loves old greek
22:29 < esden> thalerim: ... I prefer gopher ... algol or so ...
22:30 < thalerim> mh?
22:30 < thalerim> wtf
22:31 < thalerim> huebi: when will i get a small account on your ftpd to upload a couple of songs?
22:37 < huebi> moment..
22:37 < huebi> I'm woring on it
22:37 < huebi> +k
22:37 < tsa> "a couple of" ;-)
22:38 < huebi> tsa: ?
22:38 < thalerim> tsa: a couple of you will never have ;-P
22:38 < tsa> "a couple of" = 1GB-1TB ? ;-)
22:39 < tsa> thalerim: hehe
22:39 < thalerim> no, just the new unreleased album of KoRn
22:39 < tsa> thalerim: ah, i see.
22:42 < tsa> i wonder what would happen if you added mp3's to sf cvs...
22:43 < huebi> cvs ci -kb ;)
22:43 < huebi> nothing except empty diskspace goes down.
22:44 < tsa> hm...i think they would be removed soon..
22:46 -!- Be-El [be-el@pD9E11834.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:46 < Be-El> hi ppl
22:46 < tsa> moin Be-El
22:47 < rxr> huebi: Mike1: Who load is the U5?
22:47 < tsa> .oO( parse error )
22:47 < esden> thalerim: I want it tooo
22:47 < thalerim> esden :P
22:47 < thalerim> it's illegal to copy it
22:47 < thalerim> hrhr
22:48 < thalerim> huebi invaded a bank already so...
22:48 < rxr> s/load/loud/ ;-)
22:48 < esden> yes sure but that will not stop us ;-)
22:48 < Mike1> rxr i don't understand your question
22:48 < rxr> it included a typos ;-) How noisy is it? ;-)
22:48 < tsa> aaaah!
22:48 < tsa>  ;)
22:49 < tsa> should be pretty quiet, i guess.
22:49 < esden> Cksum ERROR: download/x11/sylpheed/sylpheed-0.7.4.tar.bz2.cksum-err
22:49 < esden> urgh rxr what is going on there ?
22:50 < esden> there are tons of Cksum ERROR's
22:50 < Mike1> esden i got 34 cksum-errs
22:50 < thalerim> esden: you may get a read-only account on huebis ftp..
22:50 < esden> hmm ... mom
22:50 < Mike1> most of them from x11 packages
22:50 < huebi> thalerim: ftp rocklinux.dyndns.org:/upload
22:51 < rxr> chksum errors in 1.7 or 1.5 ?
22:51 < thalerim> huebi: anonymous/anonymous?
22:51 < huebi> thalerim: ok
22:51 < huebi> i mean Yes
22:52 < Mike1> rxr 1.7
22:52 < thalerim> i wondered already :)
22:52 < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/rock-src-1.7.0-DEV-200204161451# find . -name "*.cksum-err" | wc -l
22:52 < esden>      43
22:52 < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/rock-src-1.7.0-DEV-200204161451# 
22:52 < tsa> huebi: i guess you won't get too much of your bandwith in the next hours... ;-)
22:52 < rxr> Mike1: could you cut'n paste them into a query channel??
22:53 < esden> ahh ok I have multiples here ...
22:53 < Mike1> rxr i'm using bitchx can cut/past
22:53 < Mike1> past/paste
22:53 < huebi> rxr: tsa upstream is a litte bit critical but not down stream
22:53 < tsa> huebi: hehe ;)
22:53 < Mike1> rxr i already sent a mail to clifford about it, maybe i should sent the mail to you or the list
22:53 < huebi> root@ella:~# df -h
22:54 < huebi> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
22:54 < huebi> /dev/datavg/datengrab
22:54 < huebi>                       298G  163G  135G  55% /home
22:54 < thalerim> tsa: don't be jealous :P
22:54 < esden> no no multiples ...
22:54 < tsa> thalerim: hehehe....
22:54 < esden> I have exactly 43 cksum-err's
22:54 < rxr> Mike1: then a copy of the mail would be nice ...
22:54 < tsa> huebi: hm....lvm.
22:54 < huebi> thalerim: Fill it up ;-))
22:55 * Mike1 mailing rxr 
22:55 < tsa> huebi: how many disks are this?
22:55 < tsa> 3x 100gb ide?
22:55 < esden> huebi: don't you have a little too much free space on your harddrives ?
22:55 < huebi> 4x MAXTOR 4K080H4
22:55 < thalerim> no
22:56 < thalerim> it's just right
22:56 < thalerim> :D
22:56 < Mike1> rxr in your home dir at my U5 there is a file named errors
22:56 < esden> some people have too much money ...
22:57 < huebi> Well, before 18C3 I had a big space problem. Then I bought a bigger Tape drive ;)
22:57 < huebi> Now the disks are empty again.
22:58 < thalerim> okay it's uploading
22:58 < huebi> thalerim: great
22:59 -!- praenti_away is now known as praenti
22:59 < thalerim> so and now i am etsting a game
22:59 < thalerim> brb
22:59 -!- thalerim is now known as thAlerim
22:59 * praenti reading scrollback
23:00 < rxr> Mike1: currently the 3rd try to compile the gcc-3.1 is running ;-) (This time the C compiler only ...)
23:00 < huebi>  __________________________ 
23:00 < huebi> ( Praenti is wondering :-) )
23:00 < huebi>  -------------------------- 
23:00 < huebi>         o   ^__^
23:00 < huebi>          o  (oo)\_______
23:00 < huebi>             (__)\       )\/\
23:00 < huebi>                 ||----w |
23:00 < huebi>                 ||     ||
23:00 < huebi>  
23:01 < tfing> huebi: you are already on top of the stats ;p
23:02 < rxr> Mike1: the route to your box is dead ... :-(
23:03 < praenti> huebi: is saw it ;-) and downloading your URL
23:03 < huebi> koole Kuehe ;-)
23:03 < huebi> kool cows
23:03 -!- Mike1 [~mike@196.40.44.43] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))
23:03 < praenti> is something interesting discussed here? because i want to go to bed. health-problems :-(
23:04 < huebi> There is also  man cowsay 
23:04 < praenti> and the scrollback is very long...
23:04 < huebi> praenti: when did you leave?
23:05 < praenti> huebi: about 16:00
23:05 -!- Mike1 [~mike@196.40.44.43] has joined #rocklinux
23:05 < tsa> curl is stupid.
23:05 < Mike1> re
23:05 < praenti> hi Miek1
23:05 < huebi> hmm. I left at 18:40
23:05 < Mike1> hello praenti 
23:05 < praenti> s/Miek1/Mike1
23:05 < tsa> Downloading download/base/rfc/RFCs0001-0500.tar.gz ...
23:05 < tsa> curl: (7) Couldn't connect to host
23:05 < tsa> but
23:05 < tsa> [tsa@azathoth ~]$ ncftp ftp.rfc-editor.org
23:06 < tsa> Logged in to ftp.rfc-editor.org.                                                
23:06 < tsa> *sigh*
23:06 < huebi> Why is curl used in 1.7?
23:06 < tsa> huebi: i have no idea. curl sucks.
23:06 < huebi> wget works really well in 1.5
23:06 < Mike1> rxr mail sent
23:06 < tsa> erm....i mean it doesn't suck. if it would suck the things i want, i'd be happy..
23:07 < rxr> tsa: I guess cleaner code, better firewall support, ...
23:07 * praenti going to bed and hoping not be ill tomorrow
23:07 < praenti> cya
23:07 < tsa> rxr: but it actually does not work.
23:08 < Mike1> bye praenti 
23:08 < rxr> tsa: I works well here ...
23:08 -!- praenti is now known as praenti_ZzZz
23:08 < tsa> rxr: with the rfc package?
23:08 < rxr> Mike1: this are mostly packages updated by me - I used the Create-Cksum-Patch to get these numbers - maybe it is broken ...
23:09 < Mike1> mmm rxr what should i do
23:10 < rxr> use mmv to move the *.ckksumerror files to * ...
23:10 < tsa> rxr: just try scripts/Download -package rfc and see what happens.
23:10 < rxr> Downloading download/base/rfc/RFCs3001-latest.tar.gz ...
23:10 < rxr> INFO: Found src/Download-Mirror: none (use the original download locations)
23:10 < rxr> INFO: To force a new mirror auto-detection, remove src/Download-Mirror.
23:10 < rxr> Finished downloading 3220919 bytes in 30.469 seconds (105711.346 bytes/sec). 0%
23:10 < rxr> gzip->bzip2 + cksum-test: download/base/rfc/RFCs3001-latest.tar.gz
23:10 < tsa> wtf?
23:10 < rxr> Downloading download/base/rfc/RFCs0001-0500.tar.gz ...
23:10 < rxr> #####                                                                      7.9%
23:10 < tsa> which curl version?
23:11 < tsa> curl 7.9.4 1.7.0-DEV-200202271811
23:11 < rxr> rene@jackson:~ > curl --version
23:11 < rxr> curl 7.9.2 (i586-pc-linux-gnu) libcurl 7.9.2 (OpenSSL 0.9.6c) (ipv6 enabled)
23:11 < tsa> hm..
23:11 < rxr> and you have?
23:11 < tsa> 7.9.4
23:11 * tsa building 7.9.5
23:12 < rxr> ;-)
23:12 * Mike1 running 7.9.6
23:13 < tsa> Mike1: hm...make a patch for the desc file, submit it to the list..
23:13 < thAlerim> huebi: erste datei sit oben
23:13 < thAlerim> das lied is net so gut
23:13 < thAlerim> +aber
23:13 < Mike1> tsa ok
23:13 < tsa> curl: (7) Couldn't connect to host
23:13 < tsa> 7.9.5 broken. 
23:14 < tsa> or something else here.
23:14 < huebi> thAlerim: thank you!
23:14 * tsa setting fire on `hostname`
23:14 < thAlerim> mh. huebi: your pc will be on during the night?
23:16 * Mike1 patching
23:17 < rxr> Currently the RFCs generate errors here, too: download/base/rfc/RFCs0501-1000.tar.gz.cksum-err (766782730)
23:17 < tsa> rxr: hey, at least you can download them...
23:17 < rxr> Mike1: what IP addr has you odin currently?
23:19 < esden> hmm 
23:19 < esden> re hi 
23:19 < rxr> Mike1: the kdelibs download fine here - only the RFC fail in the checksum test ..
23:19 < esden> is someone fixing 1.7 packets now ?
23:20 < esden> otherwise I will do it ...
23:20 < rxr> esden: which packages?
23:20 < Mike1> esden go ahead
23:20 < esden> the ones with chksum errors
23:20 < huebi> thAlerim: Yes, the PC is on
23:21 < Mike1> rxr odin is my gateway, i'm redirecting you to my U5 from there
23:21 < esden> bzip2-1.0.2.tar.bz2.cksum-err
23:21 < esden> devfsd-v1.3.25.tar.bz2.cksum-err
23:21 < Mike1> my U5 has no public IP
23:21 < thAlerim> good. tomorrow you can be wake up with a new album :)
23:21 < esden> a52dec-0.7.3.tar.bz2.cksum-err
23:21 < esden> aso
23:21 < esden> .
23:21 < thAlerim> -be
23:21 < rxr> rene@jackson:~ > ssh -l rene -p 1522 odin.informatica.co.cr 
23:21 < rxr> ssh: connect to address 196.40.44.43 port 1522: Connection refused
23:21 < Mike1> rxr i think esden has the same cksum-errs i do
23:22 < Mike1> rxr try again
23:22 < thAlerim> so good night guys
23:22 < rxr> do you have a static or dynamic IP? maybe I get a cached one here?
23:22 -!- thAlerim [~be@pD9E49CC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("d.e.a.d.")
23:23 < Mike1> rxr the gateway here is a really old pc.. so i just got stuck a few minutes ago and i had to reset it
23:23 < rxr> Mike1: oh :-(
23:23 < rxr> Mike1: oh :-(
23:23 < Mike1> rxr no i have a static ip
23:23 < rxr> Still refused ...
23:24 < Mike1> rxr i will move the LAN gateway into at least a pIII
23:24 < Mike1> i will check
23:24 < rxr> But old hardware is still ok
23:25 < rxr> My gateway is only a P120, too - and routing some traffic, runnin Squid and Apache keeps it 95% idle mostly ...
23:25 < Mike1> rxr hehe it shoudl work now
23:25 < rxr> jups
23:26 < Mike1> rxr i added the redirect rulez manually and i forgot to set them again 
23:26 < rxr> Thanks!
23:26 < Mike1> sorry
23:26 < esden> haha the package is not on the mirror ..
23:26 < esden> that is the problem
23:28 < esden> ok Mike1 only do : ./scripts/Download -mirror none -all
23:28 < esden> then all should work
23:28 < esden> most at least ...
23:29 < rxr> Mike1: collect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault], core dumped
23:29 < rxr> Mike1: to run the gcc-3.1 we might need to get into the code of some tools ...
23:31 < huebi>  *lol* cowsay -f beavis.zen 'don't flood ;)'
23:32 < rxr> "/.": U.S. Considers Microsoft Passport as National ID
23:32 < rxr> urgs .
23:32 < Mike1> rxr damn 
23:33 < esden> WHAT????
23:33 < huebi> rxr: They are not only stupid, they are crazy
23:33 < Mike1> esden going to try
23:33 < esden> are they totally stupid ?
23:33 < Be-El> rxr: have you seen the movie "The Net" with sandra bullock ?
23:33 < Mike1> Be-El its quite a nice movie
23:33 < Be-El> they should have called it "The .net" ;-)
23:34 < Mike1> Be-El i like "Antitrust" the most, they even run Linux with GNOME in their computers
23:34 < Mike1> so i really enjoyed it
23:34 < rxr> Be-El: yes
23:34 < Be-El> waaahhhh ! gnome ! stay away, devil !
23:35 < Mike1> Be-El haha
23:35 < rxr> Mike1: I now try the gcc-core-3.0.4 ...
23:35 < Mike1> rxr good
23:35 < Be-El> .oO ( less Exzorcism-HOWTO.txt )
23:35 < Mike1> rxr feel free to hang around the U5
23:36 < rxr> Mike1: Thanks! But not this night. I'll eat a bits and read some electronics stuff - and then I need sleep ...
23:38 < Mike1> rxr well theres tomorrow and the day after that and so on you know :D
23:51 < rxr> Mike1: sure! And then a U5 should also arrive here ;-)
23:51 < rxr> Mike1: How noisy is your U5? How many fans?
23:51 < Mike1> rxr and we will build 1.7 for sparc64
23:51 < Mike1> :)
23:52 < huebi> rxr: 2 Fans. If plased under/behind the table it's no problem.
23:52 < huebi> s/s/c/
23:54 < esden> Mike1: is your download ok now?
23:55 < Mike1> huebi yeah there are a few
23:56 < Mike1> oops huebi/rxr
23:56 < tan[away]> back
23:56 -!- tan[away] is now known as tan[an]
23:56 < Mike1> esden is better i guess let me check
23:56 -!- tan[an] is now known as jonath[an]
23:57 < Mike1> hola jonath[an] 
23:57 < jonath[an]> hello Mike1
23:58 < huebi> hi jonath[an] 
23:58 < jonath[an]> hi huebi
23:59 < Mike1> esden jonath[an] are you still comming over here tomorrow?
23:59 < Mike1> esden it worked :)
23:59 < esden> ???
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