--- Log opened Sun Apr 21 00:00:12 2002
--- Day changed Sun Apr 21 2002
00:04 * rxr back
00:04 < jonath[an]> hi rene
00:04 < jonath[an]> @    WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!     @
00:04 < jonath[an]> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
00:04 < jonath[an]> IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY!
00:04 < jonath[an]> Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)!
00:04 < jonath[an]> It is also possible that the RSA host key has just been changed.
00:04 < jonath[an]> The fingerprint for the RSA key sent by the remote host is
00:04 < jonath[an]> 70:0b:d6:ab:1d:d8:e9:05:3b:2d:91:58:ec:e8:a1:f7.
00:04 < jonath[an]> Please contact your system administrator.
00:04 < jonath[an]> Add correct host key in /home/est/2001/jonvargas/.ssh/known_hosts2 to get rid of this message.
00:04 < jonath[an]> Offending key in /home/est/2001/jonvargas/.ssh/known_hosts2:1
00:04 < jonath[an]> RSA host key for odin.informatica.co.cr has changed and you have requested strict checking.
00:07 < hackbard> fake: ur there?
00:07 < rxr> reading scrollback ... - hey I had no date with a beer bottle !!!
00:08 < esden> evening
00:08 < rxr> jonath[an]: what key problem do you have ?
00:09 < jonath[an]> rxr: not sure
00:09 < jonath[an]> maybe diferent ssh versions ?
00:09 < esden> jonath[an]: edit /home/est/2001/jonvargas/.ssh/known_hosts2 and remove tha first line there
00:09 < jonath[an]> esden: done :)
00:09 < esden> what is tha problem with it ?
00:10 < rxr> did you loged into one of Mike1's other machines before ???
00:10 < jonath[an]> but, why is it displaying the message?
00:10 < jonath[an]> rxr: of course
00:10 < rxr> then it is clear
00:10 < rxr> Mike1: uses his firewall / gateway to redirect you
00:10 < Mike1> rxr :)
00:10 < rxr> so all the machines have the same virtual IP address
00:10 < jonath[an]> umm, 1522
00:11 < esden> every machine is having another key
00:11 < Mike1> jonath[an] rm .ssh/*
00:11 < jonath[an]> is it the prob Mike1 ?
00:11 < rxr> and so you get a warning the the host key - (the other box with the same IP adress) has another key
00:11 < esden> when you login on for example ssh home.esden.net
00:11 < Mike1> ja dast ist
00:11 < esden> you get one key
00:11 < rxr> jonath[an]: you might simply cut'n paste the new key into the file ...
00:12 < esden> when you then try ssh -p 1622 home.esden.net you get another key 
00:12 < jonath[an]> ok
00:12 < jonath[an]> rxr: paste where?
00:12 < esden> cuz 1622 is a redirected port
00:12 < esden> but ssh thinks that the machines are the same ...
00:13 < esden> then you the above problem ...
00:13 < esden> comprende ?
00:13 < jonath[an]> ok esden, i cant complaint me now
00:14 < jonath[an]> what is the best way to solve this each time on connect?
00:14 < rxr> in the ~/.ssh/key-xyz file
00:15 < rxr> sorry, the file is: .ssh/known_hosts
00:15 < jonath[an]> yes 
00:16 < jonath[an]> what do i have todo with it?
00:16 < rxr> add the new key to the file
00:16 < rxr> the line are hostname: key 
00:16 < rxr> or remove the file everytime you have a problem ... :-(
00:17 < jonath[an]> and where can i get the new key?
00:18 < rxr> erm - copy the old key, remove the old key, log in, paste the old key back
00:18 < jonath[an]> ahh ok
00:20 < rxr> Mike1: you have a 2.4.x kernel on your sparc - have you tryed to compile it?
00:25 < snyke_> esden?
00:25 -!- snyke_ is now known as snyke
00:27 < rxr> Mike1: do you have an idea why X11 forwarding doesn't work on your slackware U5 ?
00:28 < huebi> rxr: ssh -X host?
00:29 < huebi> Mike1: X11Forwarding yes in /etc/sshd_config ?
00:29 < rxr> huebi: yes I know
00:29 < huebi> hmm Nvidia is a little bit tricky. I try it late again ;)
00:30 < Mike1> rxr ja but i cant get any bzImage 
00:30 < rxr> huebi: it work in my local net - but not to Mike1 U5 ...
00:30 < Mike1> huebi i dont have x in my u5
00:30 < rxr> Mike1: do you have Y11 enabled in your /etc/sshd_config ;-) ?
00:30 < Mike1> rxr nein
00:30 < rxr> but your libs and emacs are there ...
00:31 < jonath[an]> well, seems mike doesnt have X
00:31 < Mike1> huebi is there any special i should compile my kernel that differs from the regular intel compiles?
00:31 < rxr> Mike1: the sparc kernel differs very much from a itnel one ...
00:31 < huebi> Mike1: hmm. I don't know
00:31 < Mike1> rxr yeah but i couldnt configure X :( my video card isnt working :(
00:32 < rxr> Mike1: this is very high on my TODO for the Sparc ... ;-)
00:32 < Mike1> rxr isnt it enought to make config ; make ; make dep ; make bzImage ...
00:32 < rxr> Mike1: you yes this sould be enough
00:32 < rxr> although you should take really much care during the config thta it matches to your U5 ...
00:33 < Mike1> rxr well i never got any bzImage
00:33 < rxr> does the compile failed with errors?
00:33 < rxr> Mike1: could you enable X11Forwarding in your /etc/ssh/ssh_config  ?
00:34 < esden> do you have xauth on u5 Mike1 
00:34 < esden> ?
00:34 < Mike1> rxr what do you want it for?
00:34 < rxr> I only wanna test how good it works over a connect with such a big latency ;-)
00:34 < Mike1> esden no i dont
00:35 < esden> then xforword won't work
00:35 < rxr> ok forget the X11 forward
00:35 < rxr> what's the problem with the kernel?
00:35 < rxr> was it shipped with slack? or is it a generic 2.4.5 ?
00:35 < esden> Mike1: what dist do you have an the u5 ? 
00:35 < rxr> esden: slackware
00:35 < Mike1> rxr done
00:36 < esden> aha then I can't help ;-)
00:36 < Mike1> esden i am using splack is a slackware port for sparc
00:36 < rxr> erm Mike maybe you shold also de-comment the line ;-) and maybe restart ssh ...
00:37 < Mike1> hehe yeah sorry
00:37 < jonath[an]> #   ForwardX11 yes
00:37 < Mike1> rxr try again
00:37 < rxr> Mike1: to what extend did the kernel compile? Fully?
00:38 < Mike1> rxr i just tryed to compile it as it was, this guys from splack always make a nice work with kernel, but i needed a bzImage to boot even thought it didnt work :(
00:38 < Mike1> funny thing is i never got any error
00:39 < rxr> Warning: Remote host denied X11 forwarding
00:39 < rxr> is this my host or yours's - hm.?!
00:39 < jonath[an]> reFatal server error:
00:39 < jonath[an]> no screens found
00:39 < jonath[an]> rxr: what command line are u using?
00:40 < rxr> ssh -X blablablablabla
00:40 < Mike1> i have not been able to properly configure my video here so i have no x running. 
00:40 < rxr> you need no running X to run X programs
00:40 < jonath[an]> sure
00:40 < rxr> ssh will start a proxy-server program which redirects the connection to me ...
00:40 < Mike1> ja
00:40 < rxr> anyway
00:40 < jonath[an]> the screens for usage must be in the local PC
00:41 < Mike1> rxr anyway there shouldnt be any problem here, unless hold on
00:41 < rxr> obviously - I do not wanna have the emacs on Mike's screen ...
00:42 < rxr> Mike1: what does happen when you run make bzImage now ?
00:42 < rxr> Mike1: is it okay if I download the latest 2.4.18 kernel on your box ?
00:42 < Mike1> i have a firewall before my Ultra5 do you think it may be the reason of ur problem ?
00:42 < rxr> no
00:43 < Mike1> rxr not at all please do it
00:43 < rxr> This is tunneled within the normal ssh connection (I think) - it shouldn't be a problem ...
00:43 < Mike1> rxr yes u are right
00:43 < Mike1> rxr download it them i install it
00:43 < jonath[an]> well, in my case, the ssh doesnt trys to run X with -X parameter, it just get logged
00:43 < rxr> Mike1: could you also run a make bzImage on your currentl 2.4.5 kernel - I would like to see the output 
00:44 < rxr> Mike1: (I guess the latest kernels will not compile without some patches or fixes ...)
00:44 < Mike1> rxr hold on
00:46 < Mike1> rxr it wont take u so long to get the kernel my conection is knda fast
00:47 < jonath[an]> hehe sure
00:47 < rxr> Mike1: ic - it is even slightly faster then my connection here ...
00:48 < Mike1> hehe
00:48 < rxr> Mike1: is this a company? What business are you in?
00:48 < jonath[an]> rxr: when u finish download, can u make a copy in /tmp dir for downloading it
00:48 < jonath[an]> to my loclhost
00:48 < esden> ok lprng should be fixed now
00:48 < rxr> sure
00:48 < rxr> jonath[an]: I do a sym-link
00:49 < rxr> or symlink done
00:49 < rxr> s/or/ok/
00:49 < jonath[an]> ok
00:49 < Mike1> rxr a small ISP
00:49 < jonath[an]> symlink is bad
00:49 < rxr> oh - interesting
00:49 < esden> argh galeon is also nsuch -Werror fanatic >_<
00:50 < rxr> And? Runs well?
00:50 < jonath[an]> or maybe i dunt have permissions for the kernel dir in ur home
00:51 < jonath[an]> u didnt put the complete path to the kernel at ur home
00:51 < Mike1> rxr yeah even thought there is a lot of work to do here i just started this week as the sysamin
00:51 < jonath[an]> linux-2.4.18.tar.gz -> linux-2.4.18.tar.gz
00:51 < rxr> jonath[an]:I copied it!
00:51 < rxr> test again
00:51 < Mike1> there havent been an admin for almost a year those guys are crazy
00:51 < jonath[an]> ok now
00:51 * Mike1 running bzImage
00:52 < esden> argh in the kernel mailinglist thay are once more discussing the stuff about BK
00:52 < jonath[an]> rxr: u can erase it now
00:52 < snyke> n8
00:52 < esden> that never finds an end ...
00:52 < snyke> ppl
00:52 < esden> n8 snyke 
00:52 < snyke> ah esdi
00:52 < jonath[an]> bye snyke 
00:52 < esden> was ?
00:53 < snyke> funzen deine regexes vom html filter auch in php?
00:53 < Mike1> root@nemesis:/usr/src/linux# make bzImage
00:53 < Mike1> make: *** No rule to make target `bzImage'.  Stop.
00:53 < Mike1> root@nemesis:/usr/src/linux#
00:53 < huebi> http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/cvstrac/rock-1.5 <- now with bug tracking
00:53 < esden> weiss net ... 
00:53 < rxr> hm maybe this is not supported for sparc?
00:53 < esden> kuennte aber gehen probier au-
00:53 < esden> s
00:53 < huebi> Mike1: make <- only make
00:53 < jonath[an]> take a look in Makefile
00:53 < esden> Mike1: under every arch it is different
00:54 < rxr> Mike1: does the old-style "make vmlinux" work?
00:54 < jonath[an]> maybe image name is different
00:54 < esden> on alpha there is also no bzImage
00:54 < Mike1> huebi i already run make and make dep
00:54 < jonath[an]> well, change image name
00:54 < Mike1> rxr i will try that
00:54 < huebi> cp vmlinuz /boot...
00:54 < esden> buth somethimg else ... I do not know now ...
00:55 < Mike1> rxr fucking shit it works
00:55 < rxr> ;-)
00:55 < huebi> http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/index.html <- with bugtrachking and much more
00:55 < huebi> good night
00:55 < rxr> which boot loader is used on your box? the silo stuff?
00:55 < esden> huebi: ahh good ... ;-)
00:55 < Mike1> rxr will you help me config my video?
00:55 < Mike1> rxr silo yes
00:55 < esden> huebi: did you got the patch from blindcoder ?
00:56 < esden> get ...
00:56 < huebi> esden: jo
00:56 < rxr> Mike1: I'll offer to try my best - but I have no idea what video stuff is in a Utrla5 ...
00:56 < esden> huebi: super ...
00:56 < huebi> user anonymous:anonymous
00:56 < esden> i have to test it 
00:56 < Mike1> rxr neither do i, but 2 heads think better than one
00:57 < rxr> Mike1: let me just do some local kde compilign and 2.4 kernel testing - I'll take a look on it in a few minutes ...
00:57 < jonath[an]> boot: vmlinux
00:57 < jonath[an]>         @$(MAKE) CFLAGS="$(CFLAGS) $(CFLAGS_KERNEL)" -C arch/$(ARCH)/boot
00:58 < Mike1> rxr seems like it worked but now where the hell is the vmlinux 
00:58 < Mike1> ?
00:58 < Mike1> root@nemesis:/usr/src/linux# find -name vmlinux
00:58 < Mike1> ./vmlinux
00:58 < Mike1> root@nemesis:/usr/src/linux#
00:58 < jonath[an]> take a look to Makefile
00:59 < rxr> the file is vmlinuz ...
00:59 -!- Netsplit carter.openprojects.net <-> irc.openprojects.net quits: SMP
00:59 < Mike1> root@nemesis:/usr/src/linux# find -name vmlinuz
00:59 < Mike1> root@nemesis:/usr/src/linux#
00:59 < rxr> mom
00:59 * rxr opening a new ssh session
01:00 -!- Netsplit over, joins: SMP
01:00 < Mike1> hi SMP 
01:00 < jonath[an]> Mike1: in ur current dir
01:00 < jonath[an]> ./vmlinux
01:00 < rxr> this can't be
01:00 < rxr> it's rather huge this is should be the uncompressed one ...
01:00 < jonath[an]> well, i coulnt find other one
01:00 < Mike1> jonath[an] hahaha yeah 
01:01 < Mike1> casi me muerde
01:01 < jonath[an]> jaja
01:01 < rxr> Mike1: where is silo configured - and which kernel does it currently load?
01:01 * Mike1 booting computer to run linux-2.4.x
01:01 < rxr> nooo!
01:01 < Mike1> rxr ?
01:01 < rxr> Mike1: could I finishd the kernel config before you do so?
01:02 < rxr> (and please make shure you have a working silo that can boot the 2.2 kernel , too - not that you disable the U5 accidently ...)
01:02 < Mike1> how long will it take you?
01:02 < rxr> 1min ?
01:02 < Mike1> ok
01:02 < Mike1> rxr of course i have a working silo
01:02 < rxr> Mike1: where is silo configured=
01:02 < rxr> ahh got it
01:03 < Mike1> ./etc/silo.conf
01:03 < Mike1> :)
01:03 < rxr> ic
01:03 < jonath[an]> ill be using easyboot soon
01:03 < rxr> have you changed it to load the other? kernel - or can the sparc silo configured dynamically during run-time?
01:03 < jonath[an]> :)
01:04 -!- jonath[an] is now known as t[an]
01:04 < Mike1> rxr i just finish to edit it
01:04 < rxr> ok I see! Do the reboot ;-)!
01:05 < Mike1> rxr you done?
01:05 < rxr> no - but I need some cloaser look - so Il finish it after the reboot ...
01:05 < t[an]> but... the sparc allows a 3.2M    vmlinux?
01:05 < Mike1> rxr hehe 
01:05 * Mike1 rebooting see you in a minute guys
01:05 -!- Mike1 [~mike@196.40.44.43] has quit ("BitchX: its magically delicious!")
01:05 < t[an]> umm
01:08 -!- Mike1 [~mike@196.40.44.43] has joined #rocklinux
01:08 < Mike1> hehe it worked
01:08 < Mike1> :D
01:08 < t[an]> :)
01:08 < Mike1> rxr ?
01:08 < rxr> jo!
01:08 < rxr> Last login: Sat Apr 20 17:05:12 2002 from 10.1.1.3
01:08 < rxr> Linux 2.4.5.
01:08 < Mike1> yyeeaah!!
01:08 < rxr> wow!
01:09 < t[an]> 5:14pm  up 1 min,  5 users,  load average: 0.27, 0.16, 0.06
01:09 < t[an]> :)
01:09 < Mike1> this is so fucking amazing
01:09 < t[an]> kool Mike1 
01:09 < rxr> Mike1: sun harware is only supported by the latest XFree-4.2.0 - so you might need to compile one ...
01:09 < Mike1> rxr yeah i am going for that now
01:10 < Mike1> who is trying x11forwarding?
01:10 < rxr> ohh
01:10 < rxr> rene@nemesis:/usr/X11/lib/modules/drivers > ls   
01:10 < rxr> bad          linux         suncg14_drv.o  suncg6_drv.o  sunleo_drv.o
01:10 < rxr> glint_drv.o  sunbw2_drv.o  suncg3_drv.o   sunffb_drv.o  suntcx_drv.o
01:10 < rxr> the sun driver seem to be there on your machine ...
01:10 < rxr> (although it is 4.0.3) ...
01:11 < Mike1> i am going to install  4.2.0
01:11 < t[an]> well, try it Mike1 
01:11 < rxr> mybe you should first try this one ...
01:11 < t[an]> try this first
01:12 < Mike1> i already did a few days ago
01:12 < Mike1> but i didn't work
01:12 < t[an]> ic
01:13 < rxr> Mike1: Mike1 have you opened the U5 ones?
01:13 < rxr> onces?
01:13 < Mike1> what do u mean?
01:14 < rxr> opened the case of the box ?
01:15 < rxr> according to this:
01:15 < Mike1> yes sure
01:15 < rxr> rene@nemesis:/usr/src/linux-2.4.5/Documentation > cat /proc/fb 
01:15 < rxr> 0 ATY Mach64
01:15 < rxr> you have a ATI Mach 64 framebuffer running ???
01:15 < Mike1> 01:02.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage I/II 215GT [Mach64 GT] (rev 9a)
01:16 < rxr> ??????????
01:16 < rxr> Is this the onboard chip? or is it a add-on PCI card???
01:16 * rxr puzzled
01:16 < Mike1> its is supposed to be the card
01:17 < rxr> sure - but is it on-boad or an PCI card?
01:17 < Mike1> on board
01:17 < rxr> Hm?????
01:17 < t[an]> Mike1: on-board is the same than " Integrada "?
01:17 < Mike1> mom
01:18 < Mike1> t[an] yes
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01:18 < t[an]> thnx
01:18 < t[an]> rene: btw, dRock 1.4.2 Xfree fails with my SiS 620
01:19 < t[an]> it doesnt happen with 1.4.1
01:19 < t[an]> maybe Xfree or dRock?
01:19 < rxr> sure xfree! - dRock doesn't modify xfree ...
01:19 < t[an]> ok
01:20 < t[an]> ill try 1.6.0 Mike's build later
01:20 < rxr> an SiS 630 works very well with dRock-1.4.2 ... there were heavy changed in this driver for XFree-4.2.0 - and I also did some hacking on it ...
01:20 < rxr> Mike builds dRock-1.6.0 ?
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01:20 < t[an]> he'll later will build it
01:21 * Mike1 opened Ultra5
01:21 < rxr> but this shouldn't make such a difference - because the XFree package is the same (4.2.0 ...)
01:21 < t[an]> well, not sure
01:21 < Mike1> everything is onboad not a single pci
01:21 < rxr> ahh - and do you see a chip with ATI on it? 
01:22 < Mike1> mom
01:22 < rxr> (ok when linux says ATI the it is ati - dump question ...)
01:22 < esden> only for info: http://people.debian.org/~dhd//aboot/
01:22 * rxr only amazed that SUN uses such normal hardware ...
01:22 < Mike1> rxr yeah
01:22 < Mike1> 3d rage II dvd
01:23 < rxr> nice
01:23 < rxr> I found another problem: /usr/X11/lib/modules/drivers/bad/README
01:23 < rxr> These drivers from XFree86 4.0.3 are known to cause problems on the SPARC
01:23 < rxr> platform.  This will be corrected in the future, but for now, you should
01:23 < rxr> not use these drivers.  If you have an ATI-based framebuffer, you'll need
01:23 < rxr> to use the XF86_Mach64 server from the xma64 package.
01:23 < rxr> so the ati driver is currently just broken
01:24 < rxr> (the 4.0.3 on on your machine ...)
01:24 < rxr> l
01:24 < t[an]> :p
01:24 < rxr> and the fbdev one, too
01:24 < Mike1> rxr the hell with this i am going for a latest xfree
01:24 < Mike1> mom
01:25 < rxr> mom!
01:25 < rxr> Simply do this with the ROCK environment
01:25 < Mike1> ?
01:25 < rxr> cd /mnt/rock-src-1.7.0-DEV/
01:25 < rxr> ./scripts/Build-Pkg xfree86
01:25 < t[an]> Mike1: advise when finished, i need to fix a Xfree prob with my sis 620
01:25 < rxr> this should work (I hope) ...
01:25 < Mike1> lets see
01:26 < rxr> but first you have to turn your swap on
01:26 < rxr> !!!
01:26 < rxr> rene@nemesis:/mnt/rock-src-1.7.0-DEV > cat /proc/swaps 
01:26 < rxr> Filename                        Type            Size    Used    Priority
01:26 < Mike1> rxr i know don't worry
01:26 < rxr> you have a swap partition ?
01:26 < Mike1> rxr yes 
01:27 < Mike1> > mkdir: created directory `/usr/doc/xfree86'
01:27 < Mike1> > Trying to copy the default documentation ...
01:27 < Mike1> > Extracting source (4.2.0) ...
01:27 < Mike1> > tar: invalid option -- I
01:27 < Mike1> > Try `tar --help' for more information.
01:27 < Mike1> $root/var/adm/logs/9-xfree86.out -> 9-xfree86.err
01:27 < Mike1> == 04/20/02 17:31:52 =[9]=> Aborted building package xfree86.
01:27 < Mike1> mom i know how to fix this
01:27 < rxr> Mike1: ok
01:27 < t[an]> tar -xvyf
01:28 < t[an]> i have the same prob here :)
01:29 -!- t[an] is now known as t[eating]
01:30 * Mike1 hate fucking out of date slackware
01:30 < rxr> the tar seems to be up do date - maybe they patched the source not not recognize -I ...
01:30 < Mike1> == 17:35:49 =[9]=> Building x11/xfree86 [4.2.0 1.7.0-DEV-200204161451].
01:30 < Mike1> Found 9 patch files in /home/mike/projects/ROCK/rock-src-1.7.0-DEV/package/x11/xfree86.
01:30 < Mike1> Reading package configuration from xfree86.conf.
01:30 < Mike1> Preparing build in /home/mike/projects/ROCK/rock-src-1.7.0-DEV/src.xfree86.1019345737.1138.1510226770
01:30 < Mike1> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/9-xfree86.out
01:31 < Mike1> rxr it has always been the problem with both splack and slackware it never recognices -I
01:32 * Mike1 will run Window Maker is this works
01:32 < Mike1> s/f
01:33 < rxr> Mike1: ;-) You can try both the ati driver or (if it fail) the fb driver (which draw on the already running linux-kernel-framebuffer)
01:34 < rxr> Mike what does hdpar -i and -tT outputs when you run in on your hard-disk device node ?
01:35 < rxr> (but th -tT is very inaccurate when XFree currently comiles ...)
01:35 < Mike1> root@nemesis:/home/mike# hdparm -i /dev/hda
01:35 < Mike1>  Model=ST38641A, FwRev=3.05, SerialNo=VR496346
01:35 < Mike1>  Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec Fixed DTR>10Mbs RotSpdTol>.5% }
01:35 < Mike1>  RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=0
01:35 < Mike1>  BuffType=unknown, BuffSize=128kB, MaxMultSect=32, MultSect=off
01:35 < Mike1>  CurCHS=16676/16/63, CurSects=16809408, LBA=yes, LBAsects=16809660
01:35 < Mike1>  IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:240,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
01:36 < Mike1>  PIO modes: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
01:36 < Mike1>  DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 *mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2
01:36 < Mike1>  AdvancedPM=no
01:36 < Mike1> root@nemesis:/home/mike#
01:37 < Mike1> root@nemesis:/home/mike# hdparm -tT /dev/hda
01:37 < Mike1>  Timing buffer-cache reads:   128 MB in  3.39 seconds = 37.76 MB/sec
01:37 < Mike1>  Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in 10.27 seconds =  6.23 MB/sec
01:37 < Mike1> root@nemesis:/home/mike#
01:37 < rxr> ok thanks.
01:37 < Mike1> welcome
01:37 < rxr> Mike1: I'll take some sleep now.
01:37 < rxr> it is 1:38 here ...
01:37 < Mike1> rxr wait
01:37 < rxr> Jo?
01:38 < Mike1> lets see if xfree builds ok
01:38 < rxr> urgh! This will take > one hour!!
01:38 < Mike1> hehe ok
01:38 * rxr hm
01:38 < Mike1> n8 rxr 
01:38 < rxr> I could print the UltraSPARC II manual
01:38 < rxr> and hm
01:39 < rxr> maybe contiue the book I'm reading on ... ;-)
01:39 < Mike1> get some bier!
01:39 < Mike1> :)
01:39 < rxr> No beer in the house ..
01:39 < Mike1> ok them read :)
01:39 < rxr> ;-)
01:39 < rxr> You'll also be awake the next hours ?
01:40 < Mike1> rxr its 6pm here definitly
01:40 < esden> rxr: I do not have beer @ home too :-(
01:40 < esden> that is not a good situation
01:40 * Mike1 have beer
01:40 < Mike1> i wont drink just to be fair with you guys
01:40 < rxr> You sould have been at the Aldi sooner to not forget it ;-)!
01:40 < Mike1> :)
01:41 < rxr> Maybe in 20 year s cat ~/mike/beer > /dev/net/ssh-connections/rene would work ;-)
01:41 < esden> rxr: I have been there to buy milk ... but you are right I should have bought beer by then too ...
01:41 < Mike1> yeah
01:42 < rxr> you sprinted out at 15:50 to only get Milk???
01:42 < esden> when we have replicators then it will shurely work @ rxr 
01:42 < rxr> esden: yes - this was my idea?
01:42 < esden> rxr: yess ... I know ... I am stupid :-(
01:44 < rxr> peoepl - I'll take sleep - the last week was a horror with some late night debug sessions (I even came too late to a electronics practice I had to be present ...) - so I'll wanna get some sleep back this weekend ...
01:45 < Mike1> rxr ok my friend
01:45 < rxr> Mike1: I think you'll get this working on your own the files are installed into the / directory - should be able to use it out of the box ...
01:45 < Mike1> get some rest well talk tomorrow or on monday
01:45 < Mike1> rxr yeah i will save the package for you.. i suppose u will need for ur U5
01:46 < rxr> I'll be here today (after some sleep) - and hopefully the U5 will arive monday ...
01:46 < rxr> to create a .tar.bz2 you have to run 
01:46 < Mike1> Buils-TarBz2
01:46 < Mike1> ja
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01:47 < rxr> ./scripts/Build-TarBz2 after the build ...
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01:47 < rxr> ah ok uknow ...
01:47 < rxr> n8!
01:47 < Mike1> hehe n8 rxr 
01:47 < t[an]> bye rene
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01:47 < esden> grrrr ... I can't find aboot sources anywhere ...
01:49 < t[an]> Mike1 what about xfree?
01:49 < t[an]> could u solve sth?
01:50 < Mike1> t[an] i am building xfree86 from my current rock-1.7 enviroment
01:51 < t[an]> ok
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01:54 < Mike1> esden i am trying to find aboot for you but it seems like its no where .. ill keep looking
01:55 < Mike1> esden are you here?
01:55 < esden> yes I am
01:55 < esden> my father is going an my nerves
01:55 < Mike1> its not much but
01:55 < Mike1> http://aboot.sourceforge.net/files/
01:56 * Mike1 keeps looking
01:57 < t[an]> Mike1: these books are nice
01:58 < Mike1> t[an] what books?
01:58 < esden> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=32540&release_id=58888
01:58 < t[an]> Mike1: wich u gave me
01:59 < esden> yeeeeessssss !!!! http://www.linuxalpha.org/ is back online !!! *jump* *jump*
01:59 < Mike1> esden hehe congrats
01:59 * -> esden running through the channel
02:00 < Mike1> t[an] ah yeah they are
02:00 < t[an]> hehe
02:00 * Mike1 away
02:01 < t[an]> what a "Clock Screw Detected" message mean?
02:02 < esden> that the time and date on your machine is wrong
02:02 < t[an]> umm, ok
02:02 < t[an]> my files have a incorrect date
02:03 < t[an]> and hwclock doesnt works
02:03 < t[an]> `date` says that i need to fix my date
02:03 < t[an]> i couldnt make a hwclock --localtime
02:04 < t[an]> my kernel says that my builds might be incomplete
02:04 < t[an]> i had to `touch` some config files to compile some stuff
02:04 < t[an]> the sam in kernel directory
02:05 < t[an]> :(
02:10 < esden> cu all
02:10 < esden> n8
02:11 < t[an]> good night esden 
02:11 < esden> ahh my dad is away ...
02:11 < esden> so I can stay a little bit longer ;-)
02:11 < t[an]> :p
02:12 < esden> http://www.suse.de/~stepan/ <- milo site
02:12 < t[an]> who or what is milo?
02:13 < Mike1> es como lilo pero para mips
02:13 < t[an]> MIPS Linux Loader
02:13 < esden> ahh irc with logs is a beautiful way for bookmarks
02:13 < esden> Mike1: nono it is for alpha
02:14 < esden> cite: "If your Alpha used to
02:14 < esden>    boot with Milo 2.0 but not with Milo 2.2, hurry up sending a bug report
02:14 < esden>    to me."
02:15 < esden> I will have to see if we should usu milo or aboot ...
02:29 < esden> hmm interesting .... milo is a firmware ... it is a kind of replacement for SRM firmware .... 
02:29 < esden> so I will have to take aboot first ... I do not want to kill my box ;-)
02:30 < esden> later I can test it ...
02:30 < t[an]> ok
02:30 < esden> good goog good .... ;-) 
02:30 < esden> ok let's get the sources for aboot
02:31 < esden> hopefully the sources on sf are tho right ones ;-)
02:32 < t[an]> brb
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02:33 < t[an]> re
02:34 < esden> re
02:36 < esden> ahh good srm and aboot documentation : http://www.linuxalpha.org/faq/srm.html
02:39 < t[an]> bye *
02:39 < esden> cu t[an] 
02:40 < t[an]> :)
02:40 < esden> ahh the xf86 build is currently finishing an my alpha
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02:40 < esden> the build is running since two days ;-)
02:41 < esden> no not of xf86 but the build of rock on alpha ...
02:42 < esden> hmm monologues are funny ;-)
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02:42 < esden> re clifford 
02:43 < clifford> hi.
02:43 < clifford> it's late ..
02:43 < esden> clifford: what do you think about milo ?
02:43 < esden> clifford: i know that it is late
02:43 < clifford> milo is nice - I use it to boot my alpha
02:43 < esden> but I want to be mostly finished with the alpha port this weekend ;-)
02:44 < clifford> the only problem is that you need a custom bin for your hardware.
02:44 < esden> clifford: what do you think should I include aboot/milo/both in rock ... ?
02:44 * clifford is working on a pseudo cross-compiler right now ..
02:44 < clifford> never tried aboot - how is it?
02:45 < esden> cuz I want to create a bootable cd for alpha
02:45 < esden> clifford: it is somewhat like grub
02:45 < esden> I have it currently on my alpha
02:45 < esden> debian is using it as default
02:46 < esden> why pseudo cross-compiler ??? how should I understand this ?
02:46 < clifford> is it possible to use one bin for every alpha hardware - or do you need a custom build for every motherboard?
02:46 < clifford> I want to cross-compile from intel to intel.
02:47 < clifford> The compiler should behave like a cross compiler - meaning that it does not use any libs or headers from the build system ..
02:47 < esden> with aboot it is one bin for every hardware if i understood all correctly
02:47 < clifford> that's not easy because it seams like the gcc/binutils people never thought about something like that ..
02:48 < esden> but I think you need SRM so you can use it
02:48 < clifford> ad aboot: that's great. I would use aboot so ..
02:48 < clifford> that's bad. E.g. I only have ARCS bios on my alpha ..
02:48 < esden> but it seems that it is no more maintained 
02:49 < esden> but I found some sources on sourceforge
02:49 < esden> and some docu
02:49 < esden> I will take aboot if I can
02:49 < clifford> many alphas are still using ARCS bios with no possibility to upgrade to SRM.
02:50 < clifford> do that. but we also need a way to boot thos older alphas ..
02:50 < esden> clifford: hmmm ... I will inform myself ... and we will see then 
02:50 < esden> I want in 1.7 have also milo
02:50 < esden> when you make a build for only your machine it is then possible
02:51 < esden> another flexibility point in rock ;-)
02:52 < esden> I want "my" disks back from ripclaw ... argh ...
02:53 * clifford is away for a few minutes.
02:58 < esden> ok irclogs are fixed now ...
03:01 * clifford is back.
03:01 < clifford> what has been wrong with the irclogs?
03:01 < esden> re clifford 
03:02 < esden> the --- Day changed line is missing in some logs when they are rotated every day 
03:03 < clifford> aha.
03:03 < esden> so I have to insert it when the next day begins so that I do not change anything when irssi has the logs open
03:03 < esden> n8
03:04 < esden> ich gehe jetzt schlafen ich lese die docks zu aboot morgen weiter
03:04 < clifford> n8
03:04 < clifford> cu later today ..  :-)
03:04 < esden> ich hoffe ich habe es morgen als paket da und kann die installdisketten bauen ...
03:05 < esden> yess cu today ;-)
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03:28 < hackbard> ny
03:28 < hackbard> bye
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04:38 < Mike2> re
04:38 < Mike2> anybody awake?
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05:23 < jonath]an[> re
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05:26 < jonath[an]> Mike1: still there?
05:26 -!- jonath[an] is now known as tan[brb]
05:33 < tan[brb]> :( no
05:33 < tan[brb]> am i alone here?
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06:46 < t[away]> http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2001/04/27/rock.html
06:49 < Mike1> t[away] where are u?
06:50 -!- t[away] is now known as t[an]
06:50 < t[an]> im in TEC
06:50 < t[an]> i couldnt go home
06:50 < Mike1> what the fuck?
06:50 < t[an]> are you still in costarica.net?
06:50 < Mike1> i had to come back there was a problem with one of the servers
06:51 < t[an]> well, i would like finish Java spread sheet soon
06:51 < t[an]> Mike1: ???
06:51 < t[an]> Mike1: what kind of prob?
06:52 < Mike1> ok i just fix it
06:53 < t[an]> what happen?
06:53 < Mike1> anyways i had a bad time with Rebeca tonight so i will go to a bar and get drunk to death
06:53 < t[an]> no no
06:53 < Mike1> see you on monday Jonathan good luck with ur work
06:53 < t[an]> man, what's the prob
06:53 < t[an]> umm :(
06:53 < Mike1> not important i have to go
06:53 < t[an]> well
06:53 < t[an]> cu
06:53 < Mike1> besides the problem was with an NT server
06:53 < Mike1> just had to restart it
06:53 < t[an]> ok
06:54 < t[an]> :)
06:54 < Mike1> fucking windows
06:54 < Mike1> bye Mr Demian
06:54 < t[an]> ok
06:54 * Mike1 away
06:54 < t[an]> well, u2
06:54 * Mike1 getting drunk to death
06:54 < t[an]> :(
06:54 < t[an]> no no man
06:55 < t[an]> http://www.linux.or.cr/listas/archivo/gulcr_200110/maillist.php
08:37 < huebi> moin
08:38 * huebi is wech for brechfest :-)
08:38 < t[an]> hi huebi
09:01 < huebi> hi t[an] :-)
09:06 < t[an]> wie geht es dir Andreas
09:06 < t[an]> ?
09:08 < huebi> good, very godod. Now I'm off to breakfast at friends CU :-)
09:08 < t[an]> bye huebi, enjoy it
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09:10 < t[an]> hi term_emu
09:27 < t[an]> i have a great idea!
09:27 < t[an]> brb
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09:35 < jonath[an]> back
09:35 < term_emu> hi
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09:37 < jonath[an]> brb
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09:41 < jonath[an]> replay again
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09:55 < jonath[an]> re re re again
09:55 < jonath[an]> i think i'll have the more in/out in ircstats
09:55 < jonath[an]> :p
10:14 -!- blindy|beer is now known as blindcoder
10:14 < blindcoder> ohayo mina-san!
10:14 < jonath[an]> hi blindcoder 
10:15 < blindcoder> hi jonath[an] 
10:15 < jonath[an]> how are u tonight?
10:16 < jonath[an]> no no, im crazy, i mean this morning
10:16 < blindcoder> uhm... aside from the fact that it's 10:15 around here I'm fine, thank you ;)
10:17 < blindcoder> I'm currently reinstalling 1.5.14 with my pcmcia-cs patch ;)
10:17 < jonath[an]> kool, i did it tonight
10:17 < jonath[an]> kool, with my Rocka
10:18 < blindcoder> Rocka?
10:19 < jonath[an]> yes, it is the name of my PC
10:19 < blindcoder> i see
10:19 < jonath[an]> rocka.demiansoft.co.cr
10:23 < blindcoder> hehe, i like having vim in base ;)
10:24 < jonath[an]> sure
10:25 < jonath[an]> is xchat in core packs?
10:25 < blindcoder> hmm dunno... i usually use BitchX
10:25 < blindcoder> but i think it's ext
10:25 < jonath[an]> well, im using it right now
10:25 < jonath[an]> da u have rock srcs there?
10:26 < blindcoder> 1.5.14 only
10:26 < jonath[an]> ahh, ok
10:27 < blindcoder> damnit... now i know what I've been missing...
10:27 < jonath[an]> what?
10:27 < blindcoder> nethack
10:29 < jonath[an]> what the prob with it?
10:31 < blindcoder>  haven't found a package for it
10:31 < jonath[an]> ahh
10:31 < jonath[an]> da u really like rock?
10:31 < blindcoder> i like the flexibility
10:32 < jonath[an]> what da u mean?
10:32 < blindcoder> creating my own CD, moving packages in and out
10:32 < jonath[an]> ahh, ok, i couldnt understand flexi..
10:32 < blindcoder> np ;)
10:33 < jonath[an]> how does rock works with pcmcia?
10:33 < blindcoder> i like debian because of its simplicity (ease of use) but i think rock is justas easy if you know where to go
10:33 < blindcoder> It's still installing
10:33 < blindcoder> my Laptop is only a 133 MHz CPU
10:33 < blindcoder> including 16 Megs of RAM and a 2 Gig hard disk
10:33 < jonath[an]> ic
10:33 < jonath[an]> umm, ok
10:34 < jonath[an]> i need a laptop
10:34 < jonath[an]> :(
10:34 < blindcoder> well... I like the Simens Lifebooks E-Series
10:34 < blindcoder> Siemens
10:35 < jonath[an]> dunno nth about laptops technologies
10:35 < blindcoder> okay, I'm working @Siemens so I have to know about them ;) They have touchscreens *hehe*
10:36 < jonath[an]> cool
10:36 < jonath[an]> :)
10:36 < blindcoder> you can either use touchscreens, the touchpad or an external mouse
10:36 < jonath[an]> ok
10:37 < jonath[an]> i dunt like touch pad
10:37 < blindcoder> maybe I get one of those for my end-of-application presentation
10:37 < blindcoder> damnit
10:37 < blindcoder> not application
10:37 < jonath[an]> neither touchscreen
10:37 < blindcoder> apprentice I mean
10:37 < blindcoder> why not?
10:37 < jonath[an]> i cant take control over them
10:38 < jonath[an]> i have shit hands as we say in costa rica
10:38 < jonath[an]> "tengo manos de caca"
10:38 < jonath[an]> or butter hands
10:38 < blindcoder> that would be "Wurschtfinger" in Bavaria ;)
10:39 < jonath[an]> well, dunno
10:39 < jonath[an]> ok
10:40 * blindcoder takes a shovel and throws a few bits into his laptop for acceleration ;)
10:40 < jonath[an]> what's a shovel?
10:40 < jonath[an]> http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2001/04/27/rock.html
10:40 < blindcoder> a tool mostly used in the garden to move earth from one place to another
10:41 < jonath[an]> umm, ok
10:41 < jonath[an]> http://lwn.net/2002/0228/dists.php3
10:42 < jonath[an]> http://www.linux.or.cr/listas/archivo/gulcr_200110/msg00050.php
10:42 < jonath[an]> :p
10:43 < jonath[an]> http://www.linuxcity.com.cn/linuxstore/cd/cdshow.asp?gid=217
10:44 < jonath[an]> chinesse
10:44 < jonath[an]> http://www.gentics.com/Content.Node2/german/partner/rocklinux.php
10:45 < jonath[an]> http://www.pcwelt.de/tests/software-tests/linux/17002/
10:45 < jonath[an]> deutsch
10:46 < jonath[an]> http://lwn.net/2002/0214/a/rocklinux1513.php3
10:47 < jonath[an]> http://people.nl.linux.org/~armijn/
10:47 < jonath[an]> :p
10:48 < blindcoder> hehe, yes there are a few good articles. but I prefer first-hand information (do-i-yourself) so I can see what is REALLY possible. And I must say I'm positively surprised
10:48 < jonath[an]> sure, i tried Rock without come here or read Docs
10:49 < blindcoder> esden kicked my ass to try it ;)
10:49 < jonath[an]> i remember Mike1 gave me a 1.4.0 iso, later i installed it
10:49 < jonath[an]> blindcoder: why?
10:49 < blindcoder> because I'm always very lazy trying out new things
10:50 < jonath[an]> um, i dunt understand yet why esden kicked ur ass
10:51 < blindcoder> because he talked me into trying ROCK for about 4 months now ;)
10:52 < jonath[an]> hehe, ic
10:52 < jonath[an]> esden: u did right thing with this boy
10:53 < blindcoder> I think esden's still sleeping
10:53 < jonath[an]> sure, i knoe
10:53 < jonath[an]> im just doing a reference to him
10:53 < jonath[an]> what time is it there ?
10:53 < blindcoder> 10:53 am
10:54 < jonath[an]> well, so it's around 4 am here
10:54 < jonath[an]> wow
10:54 < jonath[an]> i need to sleep a bit
10:55 < jonath[an]> ill wait until 5pm
10:55 < jonath[an]> no no, it's just 3 am here
10:55 < jonath[an]> :)
10:55 < blindcoder> 3 am? the right time to start coding ;)
10:55 < jonath[an]> sure
10:56 < jonath[an]> i start it at 12am, and finished at 5am
10:56 < jonath[an]> now im sucking with Java
10:56 < blindcoder> *ouch* i hate java >_<
10:57 < jonath[an]> well, no prob, me too
10:57 < jonath[an]> :)
11:08 < jonath[an]> with a correct output
11:08 < blindcoder> oh cool
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11:08 < blindcoder> moin netti
11:08 < netcrow> hi blindcoder 
11:08 < jonath[an]> hi netcrow 
11:08 < netcrow> hi 
11:09 < jonath[an]> u know that wc prints a tab before print the return value
11:09 < blindcoder> yes, i had some problems with that
11:10 < jonath[an]> well, u need to do a tr -s "" " "
11:10 < jonath[an]> to pass it though a pipe
11:10 < jonath[an]> s/throught
11:11 < blindcoder> since i wrapped it in a perl script is just did a $wc =~ s/^ //;
11:11 < jonath[an]> well, it is not to difficult
11:11 < jonath[an]> ic
11:11 < jonath[an]> just getchar() and putchar() commands
11:13 < blindcoder> YES
11:13 < blindcoder> STRIKE
11:13 * blindcoder jumps around happily
11:13 < jonath[an]> hehe
11:13 < jonath[an]> why?
11:13 < blindcoder> pcmcia-cs now works even with my laptop ;) (out-of-the-box that is)
11:14 < jonath[an]> da u mean the new Rock laptop?
11:14 < blindcoder>  yes
11:14 < blindcoder> i work at it for three days now
11:15 < jonath[an]> hehe, kool
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11:38 < blindy|gaming> ja ne
11:40 < jonath[an]> brb
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11:49 < jonath[an]> hi There
12:08 < esden> morning
12:08 < jonath[an]> gud morning esden 
12:09 < jonath[an]> i would awake in 3 hours
12:10 < fake> hi
12:10 < fake> blindy|gaming !!!
12:10 < jonath[an]> hi fake 
12:10 < fake> hi
12:11 < fake> blindy|gaming WHERE the HELL has Mahoromatic 3-..? gone???
12:11 < netcrow> hi fake
12:12 < fake> hi netcrow 
12:17 < esden> morning fake 
12:17 < huebi> re Moin
12:17 < fake> hi esden!
12:17 < fake> hi huebi
12:17 < fake> WTF?!?!
12:17 < jonath[an]> hi huebi 
12:18 < huebi> hi jonath[an]. It's 4h19 in the morning in cr, isn't it?
12:18 < jonath[an]> huebi: right
12:18 < jonath[an]> :)
12:18 < jonath[an]> 'O_O'
12:19 < fake>  /usr/mips-unknown-linux/bin/ld: cannot open crtbeginS.o: No such file or directory
12:28 < esden> urgh ... the chili yesterday was realy good hot ;-)
12:28 < esden> auch my as ...
12:28 < huebi> esden: does it burn twice?
12:28 < huebi> hehe
12:28 < esden> huebi: definitely
12:29 < jonath[an]> urrgg, my stomach is hot, but it is cauz it's eating itself
12:29 < jonath[an]> im too hungry, but i cant eat the computer
12:29 < fake> jonathan need meat - jonathan want hunt?
12:30 < fake> ugh!
12:30 < jonath[an]> sure
12:30 < jonath[an]> target -> Bill Gates?
12:30 < fake> uargh
12:30 < fake> you can't eat that
12:30 < jonath[an]> i know i cant eat corrupt code
12:30 < fake> yummy
12:30 < fake> eat the bugs ;)
12:31 < jonath[an]> i just said for killing!!!
12:31 < jonath[an]> :)
12:31 < esden> ahh I love dict !
12:31 < jonath[an]> damn gates, he gains around 20 billions dolars at month
12:31 * -> esden wants more chili!!!!
12:31 < jonath[an]> hehe
12:32 < esden> I am hungry ... and I want to eat chili
12:32 < fake> indigo:/# g++ -o test ./test.c
12:32 < fake>  /usr/mips-unknown-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++
12:32 < esden> I want to burn!!
12:33 < esden> fake: -L ???
12:33 < fake> where the hell is crtbeginS.o
12:33 < fake> esden> g++ should do it himself
12:33 < fake> besides, the specs file's fucked up
12:33 < esden> fake: sure ... but when it does not ?
12:34 < esden> ok ...
12:34 < huebi> crtbeginS.o <cariage return to begin of screen. the .o means optionaly with kernel- oops
12:34 * -> esden reading SRM Howto
12:36 < huebi> Did somebody use cfengine?
12:36 < jonath[an]> Sun Apr 21 04:37:37 CST 2002
12:36 < esden> huebi: coffee engine ?
12:36 < fake> huebi is that from curses?
12:37 < huebi> http://www.cfengine.org/
12:38 < fake> it cant be
12:38 < fake> that error about crtbeginS.o happened when compiling ncurses
12:39 * -> esden has got the resident evil soundtrack cd ;-)
12:39 * -> esden has to rip it ...
12:40 < fake> *help*
12:41 < esden> what is currently the best choice for ripping under linux ?
12:41 < huebi> cdparanoia
12:41 < huebi> esden: mom
12:41 < jonath[an]> dunno, i just know lame, im not sure
12:41 < fake> huebi where did you get that info from?
12:41 < esden> ripit ?
12:41 < fake> what is crtbeginS.o wall about?
12:42 < huebi> fake: crtbeginS.o - my explanation was just a joke. Excuse me
12:42 < huebi> esden: cdparanoia
12:43 < esden> and mp3encoding ?
12:43 < jonath[an]> Lame  is  a program which can be used to create compressed
12:43 < jonath[an]>        audio files.  (Lame aint MP3 encoder).
12:43 < jonath[an]> from 'man lame'
12:43 < huebi> http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/files/cdparanoia-III-alpha9.8.src.tgz
12:43 < jonath[an]> i think it is in ROCK
12:43 < fake> huebi: *argh*
12:44 < esden> huebi: thanks
12:44 < huebi> esden: http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/files/lame-3.91.tar.gz
12:44 < huebi> esden: http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/files/vlame
12:44 < huebi> esden: http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/files/vlame.orig
12:45 < huebi> fake: I thougt it was obvious that it is a joke :-)
12:45 < jonath[an]> im waiting a Dimmu Borgir cd to encode today, *im so exited*  :)
12:48 -!- jonath[an] is now known as t[an]
12:48 < t[an]> ummmh, old nick was too long, i think ill be a good runner up in the ircstats :p
12:55 < fake> Dimmu Borgir rulez
12:55 < fake> which CD?
12:55 < t[an]> da u like it?
12:55 < fake> it's one of my favourites
12:55 < t[an]> Puritanicals i guess
12:55 < t[an]> cool man
12:56 < t[an]> have u listened that cd?
12:56 < fake> nope
12:56 < t[an]> well, really cool
12:56 < t[an]> which songs have u listened?
12:56 < fake> err.... damn what was the albums name?
12:56 < fake> just a sec
12:57 < t[an]> Puritanicals, im not sure
12:57 < t[an]> sth like that name
12:57 < fake> Enthrone Darkness Triumphant
12:58 < t[an]> well, ive just listened Puritanicals
12:58 < t[an]> it doenst
12:58 < t[an]> s/doesn't
12:59 < t[an]> we are offtopic
13:05 < fake> ah!
13:05 < fake>  /usr/lib/gcc-lib/mips-linux-unknwon/2.95.3/crtbegin.o
13:05 < fake> it's missing the big S ;)
13:07 < t[an]> well, ill leave to go home and sleep for a while
13:07 < t[an]> cu later guys
13:07 < fake> sleep well!
13:07 < t[an]> thnx
13:30 -!- praenti_away is now known as praenti
13:30 < praenti> hi
13:30 < fake> hi!
13:30 < praenti> huebi: here?
13:37 < fake> i'll get some more sleep now, too
13:37 < fake> see ya later
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13:42 < hackbard> moin
13:47 < praenti> moin hackbard
14:00 < esden> can somebody mute my famyli ? >_<
14:00 * -> esden eating
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14:01 < thalerim> hi
14:19 -!- clifford [~clifford@M108P026.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
14:19 -!- rxr_zZ is now known as rxr
14:19 < rxr> moin
14:19 < clifford> hi!
14:20 < clifford> ich mach' grad' cross-compilers fuer sparc, alpha und powerpc um vollstaendige header fuer architecture/*/include zu erhalten ..
14:21 < rxr> nice!
14:21 < rxr> Mike1: U5 has also successfully build XFree-4.2.0 ...
14:21 < clifford> das cross builden ist mit 1.7 im vergleich zu 1.5 ein echter klacks ..
14:22 < rxr> ;-)
14:22 < praenti> hi clifford
14:22 < clifford> hi.
14:22 < clifford> hmmm ... mit 3 paralell builds ist meine kiste ziemlich lahm ... :-(
14:23 < hackbard> mips waer auch noch cool.
14:23 < clifford> hab' ich noch keine patches bekommen.
14:23 < clifford> ich kuck' mal auf die kiste vom fake, was da so rumliegt .. :-)
14:31 < t[an]> rxr: already built xf86?
14:31 < t[an]> hi guys
14:31 < t[an]> :)
14:31 < rxr> you mean on Mike's box?
14:31 < t[an]> yes rene
14:32 < rxr> yes it finished (with an error) but the error is only the installation of our init file of xdm - which fails due to another /etc/rc.d layout of slackware ...
14:32 < rxr> I have to wait for Mike1 to wakeup so he could give it a try ...
14:34 < clifford> rxr: btw - it's now possible to use ./scripts/Build-CrossCC for native (not-cross) builds.
14:34 < clifford> That creates a compiler which is ignoring the host libs and includes and is only using our own ones ..
14:35 < rxr> clifford: so only the ...
14:35 < clifford> (will be in te next snap)
14:35 < rxr> clifford: ... ok you typed the answer before I finshed the question ... ;-)
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14:36 < esden> re hi all
14:36 * clifford is havin 5 open x-terms with 5 Build-Target running in it (for 5 diffrent architectures).
14:37 < esden> clifford: respekt ... so your foke crosscompiler works ?
14:37 < esden> make a screenshot please
14:37 < clifford> yes it finally does.
14:38 < esden> s/foke/fake/ ;-)
14:39 < clifford> esden: you wouldn't see anything special on that screenshot .. just 5 times the same thing.
14:39 < clifford> (it slows down my machine pretty much ..)
14:39 < esden> hmm but you can write under it thet these are the compiles ...
14:39 < t[an]> i have to sleep at least one hour
14:40 < t[an]> cu guys!
14:40 < clifford> cu
14:40 < esden> do so t[an] 
14:40 < rxr> t[an]: n8
14:40 < esden> n8 t[an] 
14:40 < t[an]> well, is not night!
14:40 < t[an]> it's ^:41 am here
14:40 < clifford> oh - somwhere always is ..
14:40 < t[an]> s/^/6
14:40 * rxr reading scrollback ...
14:41 < t[an]> hehe clifford , ur right
14:46 * -> esden brb
14:49 * hackbard lookin' forward to download the new snap ..
14:52 < rxr> When Mike1 really got out to get drunk till death - he won't test XFree today ... :-(
14:53 < hackbard> so if you use the Build-CrossCC with crossnative=native, you will get a compiler using libs and includes from ./arch ?
14:58 < hackbard> ll
14:59 < clifford> hackbard: yes.
14:59 < clifford> well - no.
15:00 < clifford> you will get a compiler using libs and includes from build/../root/
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15:02 < snyke> hi all
15:02 < hackbard> i see, i ll try it myself as far as u have uploaded the new snap 
15:02 < hackbard> hi snyke
15:03 < clifford> hackbard: it's not out yet. It will be in the next snap ..
15:03 < hackbard> yeah, i ll wait for it :)
15:04 < clifford> fake: are you listening?
15:05 < esden> re
15:08 * -> esden continuing reading SRM Howto
15:08 * rxr now found the "SPARC V9 Instruction Set Specification" ;-)
15:08 * clifford is away (smokin' a cigarette).
15:16 < esden> question: who is currently activly working on the powerpc port ? I have not seen any powerpc pathes for 1.5 ...
15:17 < netcrow> esden: you have a powerpc?
15:17 * clifford is back again.
15:17 < esden> netcrow: nope
15:17 < esden> netcrow: architectures that i still need are mips, powerpc, arm
15:18 < netcrow> and GBA ;-)
15:18 < praenti> ?
15:18 < esden> yess netcrow I should have it after xmas
15:18 < praenti> esden: try to get the powermac from jürgen ;-)
15:19 < rxr> huebi: are you here?
15:19 < esden> praenti: haha ... funny ... he has stolen it for ever
15:29 < clifford> rxr: there is no ircii in dROCK 1.4.1 ??
15:30 < rxr> no I just discovered the prog myself ...
15:31 < rxr> clifford: hm. the prog is int base (?) of ROCK ;-)
15:31 < rxr> s/int/in/
15:32 < rxr> clifford: hm - but in a base only compilation irsii will not compile because it depends on glib which is in the X11 repository ...
15:33 < rxr> hm ??? glib is not listed in the cached dependencies of irsii ... ? But I
15:33 < rxr> 'm sure it needs it ...
15:33 < clifford> rxr: ircii is the standard text-mode irc client ..
15:33 < clifford> root@apollo:/rock-linux# ldd /usr/bin/irc
15:33 < clifford> 	libcrypt.so.1 => /lib/libcrypt.so.1 (0x4001c000)
15:33 < clifford> 	libnsl.so.1 => /lib/libnsl.so.1 (0x40049000)
15:33 < clifford> 	libresolv.so.2 => /lib/libresolv.so.2 (0x4005f000)
15:33 < clifford> 	libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40070000)
15:33 < clifford> 	/lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000)
15:35 < esden> ahhh resident evil rulez
15:35 < rxr> clifford: ah sorry - I thought of irssi
15:35 < clifford> what's that? :-)
15:35 < rxr> yet another text mode IRC client ...
15:36 < rxr> SMP: and esden: use it - and it's quite nice ...
15:36 < clifford> aha. but i don't have that one in base ..
15:36 < esden> clifford: irssi is the best irc client I have seen till now
15:36 < esden> try it you will love it ;-)
15:36 < praenti> esden: did you see the film?
15:36 < esden> praenti: YES !!! IT rulez
15:36 * praenti also use irssi
15:37 < esden> I would like to see it in the cinema ... but I had noone who would go with me :-(
15:37 < praenti> i want
15:37 < esden> I have only seen the ov screener divx
15:37 < rxr> clifford: yes there is ircii in base - I simply puzzled it with irssi ...
15:37 < clifford> ok - ic.
15:38 < esden> praenti: lets go and see it .. today ?
15:38 < praenti> esden: when?
15:38 < praenti> 8 o'clock?
15:38 < esden> praenti: ok
15:39 < esden> praenti: where should we meet and when
15:40 < praenti> esden: shit runs only at atelier Fr/Sa 22.45 
15:40 < praenti> i hate our cinemas
15:40 < esden> esden panic: coffee run out and want to screem!
15:40 < snyke> esden: look@bchat plz when you have time
15:42 < clifford> esden: reboot.
15:43 < esden> thanks clifford 
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16:38 -!- blindy|gaming is now known as blindcoder
16:38 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
16:39 < praenti> hi blidy
16:39 * blindcoder 's pcmcia@laptop finally works
16:39 < blindcoder> after esden messed up pcmcia-cs.conf ;
16:39 < blindcoder> ;)
16:40 < praenti> blindcoder: can you send it to me. i think i will need it too.
16:40 < praenti> and i wnat to know what you have in it
16:41 < blindcoder> i can't access it right now. Zero is at my workstation right now and playing Septerra Core under win
16:41 < blindcoder> do you need it? then I'll kick him away ;)
16:42 < esden> blindcoder: haha ... 
16:42 < esden> verzeaehl kein schrott
16:42 < esden> es war noch kaputter davor
16:42 < blindcoder> hehe
16:42 < praenti> blindcoder: let him play. it's not as important. send it to me when you have access
16:42 < esden> spongo
16:42 < blindcoder> sorry... ich habs erweitert, okay??
16:42 < blindcoder> hauptsache ist es geht
16:42 < blindcoder> praenti> yukai
16:43 < esden> ok erwoitert ist richtig
16:43 < esden> argh
16:43 < blindcoder> hm brb
16:44 < clifford> new snapshot with MIPS architecture and "pseudo" cross-compiler is online.
16:44 < clifford> I have to go now - cu.
16:44 < esden> cu clifford 
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16:44 < esden> leech the nev snapshot
16:45 < hackbard> cool
16:45 * hackbard getting new snap
16:45 < blindcoder> back
16:50 * rxr too, hackbard ...
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17:15 < praenti> openoffice ist ein monster :-(
17:15 < esden> hehe ... sure it is ...
17:16 < rxr> praenti: You compile it???
17:16 < esden> ahh my ripping environment works ... good
17:16 < praenti> i try it. but it wont at the moment
17:17 < esden> it is beeing ripped and encoded realtime ... ahh I waited so long for such times ... where that is possible ...
17:24 < praenti> openoffice is nothing for our distribution. you must trick to much...
17:24 < praenti> very ugly to compile that thing...
17:24 < rxr> other things are ugly to compile too - so this it not such a gib prob
17:25 < rxr> but clifford said that this thing would be too much for the mirrors when we would include it ...
17:25 < praenti> ok. thats another reason
17:26 < rxr> but a working .conf would be nice ;-)
17:27 < huebi> esden: http://www.debian.org/ports/alpha/alpha-penguin.jpg
17:27 < rxr> huebi: moin!
17:27 < esden> *surf*
17:27 < rxr> huebi: what does cat /proc/cpuinfo output on your U5 ? ;-)
17:27 < esden> muahahaha
17:27 < huebi> moin *rekelstreck*
17:27 < praenti> when i have enough timo to do it and i feel boring, i will make it ;-))
17:28 < praenti> s/timo/time
17:28 < esden> ok now I know how my totoo will look like  ;-)
17:28 < praenti> huebi: why does your cvs giving no access to me?
17:28 < praenti> also pubcvs
17:28 < esden> aja moin und danke huebi 
17:29 < praenti> aja moin erstmal
17:29 < huebi> praenti: ich seh' mal nach
17:31 < praenti> does anybody knows where i can get this? openoffice always say that he need
17:31 < praenti>  - configure: warning: pam_appl.h could not be found in /usr/include/security
17:31 < praenti> in the configure-phase
17:31 < esden> [esden's link ticker] http://home.in.tum.de/~atterer/jigdo/
17:32 < huebi> praenti: oo needs pam.
17:32 < huebi> for linux and solaris.
17:33 < praenti> i thought we have already pam-support?
17:33 < rxr> praenti: no - not in the main dist
17:33 < rxr> praenti: but we'll add it soon
17:33 < huebi> praenti: I think there are some packets.
17:34 < huebi> rxr: do you know the packates?
17:34 < esden> debian wants to distribute its iso images using jigdo ... perhups we should too ?
17:34 < rxr> huebi: what?
17:35 < praenti> rxr: and what package then i need.
17:35 * praenti doesnt know much about pam
17:35 < huebi> rxr: I mean, is there a possibility to get pam support? At least all programs needed for that?
17:36 < huebi> or is it possible to patch pam out?
17:37 < rxr> IIRC PAM is a single package (kind of a library) which the other tools use then ...
17:37 < huebi> I want to have oo because an office suite is needed (at least by me).
17:38 * rxr is busy fixing all sourceforge packages - finally 
17:41 < praenti> i think i found it. Linux-PAM at freshmeat
17:41 < huebi> *click*
17:41 < praenti> and get an compile error *grml
17:45 < praenti> ok. oo has only a jdk problem. then i can compile
17:47 < huebi> praenti: get jdk 1.3_3 at sun
17:48 < huebi> praenti: Linux-PAM URL?
17:50 < praenti> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/
17:50 < huebi> praenti: danke
17:50 < praenti> huebi: versteh ich aber net warum der mosert. hab ja das java2dk standard esition drauf
17:50 < praenti> s/esition/edition
17:51 < huebi> praenti: is sufficient. But needs asymlink somewhere I forgot.
17:52 < huebi> test it with:$ java
17:52 < huebi> praenti: whats your output? Paste it at #aol
17:53 < huebi> please
17:53 < praenti> java -version makes that
17:53 < praenti> java version "1.4.0"
17:53 < praenti> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.0-b92)
17:53 < praenti> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.0-b92, mixed mode)
17:53 < huebi> praenti: should do:
17:53 < huebi> java version "1.3.1_03"
17:53 < huebi> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.3.1_03-b03)
17:53 < huebi> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.3.1_03-b03, mixed mode)
17:53 < praenti> oo always say, that he could not find a valid jdk
17:56 < huebi> 1.4.0 is invalid
17:56 < huebi> praenti: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/download.html <- get it here
17:58 < praenti> ok. i will try it
18:04 < huebi> /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lndbm <- any ideas where I find it?
18:04 < huebi> It's needed for PAM
18:09 < rxr> huebi: Btw. Could you take a look what /proc/cpuinfo reports on your SPARC ?
18:10 < huebi> rxr: Which of the four?
18:10 < huebi> rxr: The U30 has linux on it
18:11 < huebi> or better ... is running linux
18:11 < rxr> the new Ultra5 from Riplaw would be most interesting - but you could also post the other, too ;-)
18:12 < huebi> rxr: not now in the moment but I keep it in mind. I tell you all that stuff.
18:12 < snyke> cu l8ter
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18:13 < huebi> argh: redo invim?
18:13 < rxr> huebi: ok then I'll see on mine when it arrives ... ;-) 
18:18 < rxr> the sf repository contains crapp - unbelieveable ...
18:22 < praenti> huebi: doesn work either
18:25 * praenti tries the cvs openoffice
18:25 < praenti> perhaps it runs better
18:29 < netcrow> praenti: does ot compile?
18:30 < praenti> netcrow: ??
18:37 < esden> resident evil rip finished !
18:37 < esden> finally I have good music on my machine ...
18:39 < praenti> esden: ich hasse ebay. 
18:39 < praenti> die haben mir grad ne xircom weggesteigert
18:40 < praenti> 82,.. EUR. da hat jemand zuviel geld *grml*
18:42 < esden> stimmt
18:42 < esden> die ueberbieten aber grundsaetzlich
18:45 * -> esden listening Fear_Factory_Invisible_Wounds-The_Suture_Mix
18:46 < esden> ahhh beautiful
18:48 < praenti> die andere karte hab ich nicht ersteigern können. war kein rechner in der nähe 56 EUR *ärgerlichgrml*
18:54 < rxr> rxr: warning your mailboxes might be filled with many cvs commit messages in the next hours ... - the first chuk got out
18:58 < esden> rxr: which cvs ? sf ?
18:58 < huebi> Yeah! Great! I've got e xinerama mouse pad! 19cm x 42 cm!
18:58 < esden> huebi: >_<
18:58 < esden> ;-)
19:00 < esden> I now know how we should release our rocklinux iso's ... jigdo is the choice ... it needs some time to improve ... but it seems to be promissing ... 
19:00 < esden> it is already usable
19:01 < rxr> esden: sure the sf one ...
19:01 < praenti> esden: write a mail
19:01 < esden> so you can test it ... I will make some iso's avalable with jigdo ... then you can test it
19:01 < esden> praenti: bin zu faul ;-)
19:01 * praenti goes eating
19:01 < esden> ... nene I will write an e-mail ... 
19:02 < rxr> I'll wanna fix most errors in the sf 1.7 tree this night ...
19:02 < esden> rxr: yepp do it
19:03 < rxr> esden: thanks for this support - I have to do it - because noone other will ...
19:03 < esden> ecoff ...
19:03 < esden> rxr: I am currentlu working also on many things in parallel ...
19:04 < esden> I will look an 1.7 today
19:04 < esden> but first I have to read the aboot doc's
19:05 < esden> I want that the alpha port of 1.5 is working ... so I can better concentrate on 1.7 ...
19:05 < esden> like I already said many times ;-)
19:05 < rxr> hehe - hopefully the U5 arrives Mon or Thu ... ;-)
19:06 < esden> rxr: I hold my thumbs for you
19:06 < rxr> ;-) hehe thanks!
19:06 < huebi> rxr: When is your U5 sent to you?
19:07 < rxr> I hope Ripclaw did this last Thursday ...
19:07 < esden> yess !!! tools/isomarkboot: Utility to install aboot on a iso9660 filesystem (used by CD-ROM distributors).
19:07 < huebi> rxr: Are you shure he did?
19:07 < esden> *jump* *jump*
19:08 < rxr> I _hope_ so ... ;-)
19:08 < huebi> esden: What does this mean?
19:08 < esden> I can make a bootable rocklinux-alpha install cd !
19:09 < huebi> esden: super!
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19:10 < esden> huebi: yepp ;-)
19:10 < bluefire> Moin
19:10 < esden> moin bluefire 
19:10 < huebi> muh bluefire 
19:10 < huebi> aeh moin bluefire 
19:10 < huebi> :-)
19:11 < esden> muhuhuhu ;-)
19:16 < netcrow> esden: dann mach ne cd und schenk mir ne alpha ;-)
19:17 < esden> netcrow: wie kommst dazu dass ich es machen kuennte/sollte oder was auch immer ???
19:18 < esden> ich kann deinem gedankengang leider nicht folgen ;-)
19:18 < esden> da musst mich schon aufklaeren ...
19:18 < netcrow> kann ich net ;-)
19:18 < huebi> esden: Also da sind so Bluemchen und Bienen..
19:19 < rxr> huebi: quatch - Stoerche ... oder Biere ?? ...
19:19 < esden> huebi: jaa ... und weiter ?
19:19 < rxr> U] http://www.gnu.org/software/chess/chess.html GNU Chess home page
19:19 < rxr> [U] http://www.gnu.org/software/chess/chess_faq.html GNU Chess FAQ
19:19 < rxr> ups soory - wrong window ...
19:19 < huebi> rxr: :-)))
19:20 < esden> rxr: muhhh
19:20 < huebi> rxr: Dieses dieses Window mag sehr gerne root passwoerter
19:20 < huebi> rxr: su - ?
19:20 < esden> ja huebi fange an ;-)
19:20 < huebi> /lskdfjg'ldakfjga'/ldkfhjz'ck.yh?LSkhgltkhj'stpiyu/lidu45r/iuhfre;f/yujhw/rykus
19:20 < netcrow> okay, ich fang an:
19:20 < netcrow> ****************
19:20 < esden> huebi: unverschluesselt bitte ;-)
19:21 < huebi> ich vergess dieses pasword auch immer wieder
19:21 < esden> netcrow: hmm ... dein passwort ist aber einfach ... lauter sterne ...
19:21 < huebi> esden: Das _ist_ unverschluesselt
19:21 < esden> huebi: hmm ... kein wunder dass du es immer wieder vergisst ;-)
19:22 < huebi> Auf meinem Nice Try rechner in der Arbeit habe ich 1234567 ,hehe
19:22 < esden> ich kuennte hier thearetisch paar bingo passwuerter ausplaudern ;-)
19:23 < huebi> esden: Jack the Ripper ist mein Freund.
19:23 < huebi> esden: John the Ripper ist mein Freund.
19:23 < huebi> hehe
19:23 < esden> huebi: sorry ... ??? ...
19:23 < netcrow> jack the cow
19:23 * -> esden <- BAKA
19:23 < rxr> people: normally I do not cut'n paste passwords ... ;-)
19:24 < huebi> esden: John the Ripper ist ein password cracker
19:24 < rxr> (good that this wasn't some pron URL ... ;-)
19:24 < esden> huebi: ja stimmt ... URI ? ;-)
19:25 < esden> rxr: then you have to be very careful ;-)
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19:26 < netcrow> vim -x pwds
19:26 < tsa> moin.
19:26 < esden> moin tsa 
19:27 < tsa> hi esden
19:27 < huebi> moints
19:27 < huebi> moin tsa 
19:27 < tsa> hi huebi
19:28 < huebi> esden: http://www.openwall.com/john/
19:31 < esden> *click* 
19:31 < esden> huebi: thanks
19:31 < hackbard> rxr: you should mv the include headers of mips to include/ for the next snap
19:31 < huebi> it's really nice
19:32 < hackbard> otherwise the cp command fails and Buil-CrossCC fails
19:32 < rxr> hackbard: ?? I do not release snaps ...
19:32 < hackbard> btw, could you tell me what $hdrhack is for?
19:32 < hackbard> ohh
19:32 < hackbard> didnt know that ..
19:33 < rxr> hackbard: hdrhack copies missing header files from another arch in the architecture directory - this might work ofter - and is a good start to get correct headers ...
19:33 < rxr> hackbard: Cliff is the _release master_ ;-) hehehe
19:35 < hackbard> okay
19:35 < hackbard> yea, i see its copying over the includes, but what for, or in which situation to use?
19:35 < tsa> scheiss sybase. *grummel*
19:36 < rxr> hackbard: this is only for the case we do not have vaild headers in architecture/$arch/include ...
19:37 < hackbard> okay
19:37 < hackbard> thanks
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19:39 -!- blindy|working is now known as blindcoder
19:40 < blindcoder> hi hi und rehi
19:41 < esden> ok
19:42 * -> esden trying to crack his passwd's ...
19:42 < esden> re blindcoder 
19:42 < esden> blindcoder: do you want the resident evil soundtrack ?
19:42 * huebi got esden passwords cracked.
19:42 < esden> huebi: ???
19:42 < blindcoder> esden> sure
19:43 < huebi> esden: *LOOOOL*
19:43 < blindcoder> esden> i found out why the runlvedit didn't work
19:43 < tsa> hm? runlvedit does work.
19:43 < esden> http://home.esden.net/mp3/ <- look here
19:43 < esden> blindcoder: ahh cool ... 
19:43 < esden> why ?
19:44 < esden> tsa: nope it does not 
19:44 < blindcoder> there was asymlink in /etc/init.d/ that looked like this: init.d -> ../etc/init.d
19:44 < tsa> esden: at least here it does work.
19:44 < blindcoder> the runlvedit then crashed with No such file or directory
19:44 < tsa> esden: my runlvedit is from 1.4.0, therefore i had to make some symlinks ..
19:45 < esden> ahh ok .. how hove you fixed it ?
19:45 < tsa>  /etc/init.d vs. /etc/rc.d/init.d
19:45 < esden> @ blindcoder 
19:45 < blindcoder> i deleted the symlink ;)
19:45 < esden> tsa: hmm ... ok ... we are messing around withe 1.5.14 here
19:46 < tsa> mkdir /etc/rc.d ; cd /etc/rc.d ; ln -s /etc/init.d . ; ln -s /etc/init.d/rc?.d .
19:46 < esden> blindcoder: you could also improve runlvedit so that such an error is not possiblo
19:46 < blindcoder> sure... but now I'm hngry ;)
19:47 < blindcoder> esden> you don't take the train at 6.20 tomorrow, do you?
19:48 < esden> blindcoder: yo now it works thanks ...
19:48 < esden> blindcoder: nope ... I take the train later 
19:48 * blindcoder cries
19:49 < esden> blindcoder: ohhh you poore thing ...
19:49 < esden> muahaha ;-)
19:50 < blindcoder> I... I... I don't like you anymore... *sniff*
19:51 * -> esden *cry*
19:51 * blindcoder walks away and goes eating. *eats much more than usual*
19:51 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy|eating
19:53 < esden> muahaha ... intel is such a crap !!!
19:53 < esden> argh
19:53 < esden> http://www.linuxalpha.org/faq/aboot.html <- read the section about the CD-ROM installation
19:56 < rxr> wow da kann man ja gleich Star Wars ansehen - damit man beim sourceforge fixen nicht einschlaeft ...
19:57 < esden> ???
19:57 < rxr> auf Pro7 ...
19:57 < esden> telnet starwars ?
19:57 < esden> ahh ok ...
19:57 < rxr> ne xawtv:pro7
19:59 < huebi> esden: telnet blinkenlights.nl <- Best cinema ever seen.
19:59 < term_aweh> :}
20:00 < term_aweh> only the first ~ twenty minutes :/
20:00 < term_aweh> but very nice
20:00 < huebi> term_aweh: i thing I never saw the end
20:02 < huebi> OpenOffice 641c is now building. great
20:04 < huebi> ... and failing :(
20:06 < esden> soo ich habe wieder meine fernsehkarte zum laufen gebracht
20:06 -!- blindy|eating is now known as blindcoder
20:06 < blindcoder> back
20:07 < esden> re blindcoder 
20:08 < esden> ok wy tv card is finally net up ;-) 
20:09 < esden> SET UP ... argh I hate this ... !!!
20:13 < term_aweh> saw resident evil yesterday... w0w :)
20:13 < esden> it is beginning !!!
20:14 * -> esden preferes ov ...
20:15 < praenti> episode 1 is beginning
20:17 * blindcoder opens his beer-bottle
20:17 * praenti drinks a gutmann at the moment ;-)
20:18 < blindcoder> I only have a Herrnbraeu Weissbier
20:18 < blindcoder> praenti> CAMPAI!
20:21 < praenti> ??
20:23 < huebi> prost!
20:23 * huebi has a Warsteiner
20:23 * tsa getting myself a bottle "Herforder"
20:24 < blindcoder> hmm I have a warsteiner in the refridgerator ;)
20:24 < tsa> warsteiner and herforder declared as favorite beers.
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20:25 < esden> argh I hate adverts !!!
20:26 < blindcoder> hehe
20:26 < blindcoder> mozilla is your friend
20:26 < esden> yess mozilla filtering for tv
20:26 < rxr> [U] http://www.blackdown.org/
20:26 < huebi> http://www.adverts.com/ <- hehe
20:26 < esden> blindcoder: I am wathing episode I an tv ...
20:27 * rxr do not ask what this url was about ...
20:27 < esden> rxr: xxx ? ;-)
20:28 < rxr> esden: the black window decoration is too small - so sometimes i hit the mid-button _in_ the window ... argh
20:28 < blindcoder> esden> you mean commercials on TV ;)
20:28 < SMP> rxr: did th acknowledge the removal of irssi-snapshot?
20:29 < esden> blindcoder: yepp
20:29 < rxr> with an outdated irsii packages and a non-functional snapsot package doesn't make too much sence ...
20:30 < SMP> so he didn't?
20:30 < rxr> I can readd it if it is a problem ...
20:30 < rxr> btw I updated your irsii package to the latest version - is that a problem ?
20:30 < rxr> I'll also test the build in some hours ...
20:31 < SMP> so much for your respect for other people's work. sounds familiar?
20:31 < rxr> SMP: what's up now?
20:31 < SMP> hmm, I guess a new version of irssi will be good. thanks
20:32 < rxr> SMP: you are free to clean up all packages your self - it took me 3 hours so far - and will take some more to fix the rest and run a build ...
20:33 < SMP> rxr: your effords nonwithstanding, if there's a package that bothers you so much that you would like to have it removed, you should talk to the maintainer and if nothing works out just ignore it
20:35 < rxr> SMP: the packages do not conform to the ROCK devel text ansyway, because they overwrite other packages files - and the cvs and snapshot packages are really not nice idea - up-to-date stable versions would be more usefull.
20:41 < SMP> yeah, stable versions that are months old are a good idea and very well suited for testing features in upcoming versions!
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20:43 < rxr> You really rebuild your ROCK dayly to test the CVS versions of ALL packages? - You wanna add snapshot packages for every package?
20:43 < SMP> no.
20:43 < huebi> rxr: calm down, please
20:44 < SMP> but you don't know too much about the release cycle of irssi
20:45 < huebi> deleting packages is not the best way to get all ext running.
20:46 < rxr> huebi: I only deleted 1 package of 261 not compiling packages ...
20:47 < huebi> If i want an ext running and it does not work because of version or download location I try to correct this but I dont change anything what the maintainer supposed to have in the ext.
20:49 < huebi> rxr: I killed only one of ~5.000.000.000 humans.... It's allmost nobody, but I killed!
20:49 < rxr> huebi: I even take the time to get the [A]uthor [U] or [L] flags right - not to mention the [C] flags and even some packages had no [I] flag
20:50 < rxr> huebi: I do not wanne kill anybody ...
20:50 < tsa> rxr: as you might have noticed, i already fixed a lot of packages a few days ago..
20:50 < tsa> at least on sf cvs. i didn't see after the other pkgs..
20:52 < rxr> tsa: I noticed this
20:53 < tsa> there is still a lot to do which i will begin tomorrow...
20:53 < huebi> rxr: like SMP said: ignore mistakes or fix it if the maintainer doesn't. But never erase the work of somebody. This is something nobody wants to be treated. Well at least me does not want to have my work erased in rock.
20:53 < tsa> huebi: ACK.
20:57 < rxr> tsa: I'll also try to finish as much as possible this night ...
20:58 < tsa> rxr: ok....i hope clifford will release a new snapshot soon..
20:58 < rxr> tsa: why?
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20:59 * huebi likes irssi very much and I don't want to have it erased. For me as an user a droped package I use in rock is like droped support for an outdated OS (e.g. DOS) for a commercial software. 
21:00 < rxr> huebi: Here is really no need to talk something up! I use irsii, too - and I did not erased it not am I going to do soo!!!!
21:00 < rxr> s/not/nor/
21:01 < tsa> rxr: i prefer working on a snapshot to working on cvs.... i've written some short (and simple) scripts to check for broken packages in a snapshot..
21:01 < rxr> tsa: you know about scripts/Check-PkgFormat ?
21:01 < tsa> wouldn't be too difficult to use them with sf cvs directly, but i'm lazy ;)
21:01 < tsa> rxr: yes..
21:01 < rxr> and what does your script?
21:02 < tsa> i've used it for fixing some tags.....so far [S] only..
21:02 < tsa> it's always the same mistakes being done..
21:02 < tsa> STABLE/stable/Stable/ ...
21:03 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@pD90231B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:03 < aszlig> hullo
21:04 < tsa> i won't write [I] and [T] tags, but insert them if they are missing...that is work which should be done by the maintainer..
21:04 < rxr> tsa: there is not need - I should have fixed versions (with non-empty tags) soon ...
21:04 < tsa> hm...ok
21:05 < tsa> i guess about 70% of all sf packages have incomplete tags..
21:05 < tsa> or even more..
21:06 < rxr> yes ....
21:06 < tsa> rxr: please submit you changes till tomorrow....i will probably do some work tomorrow in the afternoon and don't want to resolve too many conflicts..
21:06 < rxr> I also regroup the tags in the .desc files, to be in the same readable (!) layout as the base ones ...
21:06 < tsa> ok..
21:10 < praenti> i think im going today a little bit earlier to bed.
21:10 < praenti> cya tomorrow
21:10 -!- praenti is now known as praenti_away
21:10 < tsa> cu praenti
21:11 * blindcoder is following praenti
21:11 < blindcoder> ja ne
21:11 < huebi> und tshcuess
21:11 < huebi> ihr 2
21:12 < tsa> cu blindcoder
21:12 < tsa> * blindcoder is following praenti <-- /me wonders what praenti will say if he meets blindcoder in his bed...
21:12 < tsa> ;-)
21:20 < huebi> tsa: "Mach' dich nicht so brei." ?
21:20 < huebi> +t
21:21 < tsa> hehehe
21:26 < rxr> [M] Tobias Hintze <th@rock...>
21:27 < rxr> fuck
21:27 < huebi> rxr: warum?
21:27 < rxr> weil ich schonwieder ne URL ausversehen gepostet habe ...
21:28 < huebi> :-) axo
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23:03 < esden> und schluss
23:03 < esden> tja ...
23:03 < bluefire> Gude Nacht.
23:03 < huebi> na dann gute nacht esden 
23:03 < esden> ich guhu nicht schlafen
23:03 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817EF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving")
23:03 < esden> noch nicht
23:04 < huebi> OpenOffice geht
23:04 < esden> ich habe nur gemeint dass episode 1 zu ende ist ...
23:04 < huebi> mit cups
23:04 < huebi> wir brauchen noch ei paar Library-Links in /usr/local:
23:05 < esden> jetzt versuche ich zum x-ten mal den syntax file fuer .desc files zu machen ... vielleicht schaffe ich es endlich
23:05 < rxr> esden: was fuer nen syntax file?
23:05 < huebi> cd /usr/lib
23:05 < huebi> ln -s libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2
23:05 < huebi> ln -s libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3
23:05 < esden> rxr: vim syntax highlighting fuer 1.7 .desc files
23:06 < rxr> esden: ah! cool
23:06 < huebi> rxr: Syntaxhighlightning in vim
23:06 < esden> rxr: hehe
23:06 < esden> ich weiss zwar nicht wie ich es machen soll aber mei ...
23:06 < esden> dazu gibt es manuals ;-)
23:07 < rxr> ich habe in xemacs auch schon:
23:07 < rxr> ;; some auto-mode modifications for ROCK Linux development ;-)
23:07 < rxr> (setq auto-mode-alist
23:07 < rxr>       (cons '("\\.in$" . html-mode) auto-mode-alist))
23:07 < rxr> (setq auto-mode-alist
23:07 < rxr>       (cons '("\\.conf$" . shell-script-mode) auto-mode-alist))
23:08 < esden> rxr: du benutzst emacs ? *wunder*
23:08 < esden> ich habe gedacht du bist ein vim anhaenger ...
23:08 < rxr> ne nicht emacs! (bin ich verrueckt?) nur XEmacs und vim ...
23:09 < esden> rxr: asoo ... 
23:09 < huebi> hatten wir schon eine Diskusion ueber XML fuer die .desc files? (XML-Interpreter in der bash waere gut :-)
23:09 < esden> rxr: mir ist es wurscht was fuer editor leute benutzen ... ich habe nur gedacht dass ich von dir vim gehuert habe ...
23:09 < rxr> huebi: ja - wir hatten die diskusion schon ....
23:09 < huebi> rxr: Und was kam raus?
23:10 < rxr> huebi: das die .desc files lesbar und hand-editierbar bleiben sollen ...
23:10 < huebi> ok. Danke
23:11 < esden> rxr: dass ist genau jetzt mein prob ... weil ich keine eindeutigen endungen der bluecke habe ...
23:11 < rxr> esden: $ -> endline ?
23:12 < esden> hmm ... habe mir schon gedacht ...
23:12 < huebi> OpenOffice geht. *freu* *MickyZoffOfficeindieTonnetret*
23:15 < tsa> hm..... /me arbeitet hier seit langem ausschliess mit staroffice 5.2 .....tut eigentlich wunderbar..
23:15 < tsa> ausschliesslich even.
23:17 < rxr> tsa: SO hat ein riesen problem: es ist viel zu langsam und erzeugt so einen sehr schlechten Ruf fuer Linux ...
23:17 < huebi> tsa: staroffice 5.2 wollte aus irgend einem Grund nicht auf rocklinux installieren. Deshalb jetzt Openoffice.
23:19 < tsa> huebi: hm.....komisch, hatte hier keine probleme...
23:19 < tsa> rxr: es geht eigentlich...macht sich ein wenig zu sehr im speicher breit IMHO, aber ansonsten ok..
23:19 < tsa> rxr: openoffice baut afaik auf der staroffice code base auf, daher ist das da vermutlich aehnlich...
23:19 < rxr> auf nem GHz rechner ja ... 
23:20 < rxr> tsa: ja - aber die habe das schonmal nen tuck schneller bekommen.
23:20 < tsa> ghz? noe.... 2x p3-750.....vorher 1x p3-450, war auch ok..
23:20 < rxr> Also das fixe ich nicht:
23:20 < rxr> [D] 465708126 CorelPHOTOPAINT9LnxRPM.tar.gz ftp://ftplinux2.corel.com/pub/linux/PhotoPaint9/
23:20 < rxr> [V] 9
23:20 < rxr> [M] G.Bevin gbevin@theleaf.be
23:20 < rxr> [P] X ------6--9 300.5
23:21 < tsa> oergh..
23:21 < tsa> Unknown host "ftplinux2.corel.com".
23:21 < rxr> tiniest .desc I ever saw ...
23:21 < huebi> tsa: OO ist wie Staroffice.
23:21 < tsa> rxr: g.bevin hat nur so verdammt unvollstaendige .desc's gebastelt..
23:22 < rxr> tsa: jups ich weiss
23:22 < rxr> bei allen fehlt das I S L A U tag und meist noch mehr
23:22 < tsa> jupp...
23:23 < tsa> ich haenge dann immer leere tags dazu, in der hoffnung, dass der derzeitige maintainer die ausfuellt..
23:23 < tsa> (klappt nauterlich bei g.bevin nicht...)
23:23 < huebi> rxr: Hast Du eine schnelle Alternative zu OO?
23:24 < rxr> huebi: nee nicht wirklich: M$ Office auf Windows, OpenOffice, KOffice (da fehlt nur noch ein wenig ...) ...
23:25 < rxr> tsa: du kannst dir ja mal morgen die .desc files vornehmen die noch fehlerhaft sind, oder wo die A M U L S tags leer sind ...
23:25 < tsa> rxr: ok, ich schau mal, wie weit ich komme...
23:25 < rxr> (falls du lust hasst - sorry wollte nicht aufdringlich sein ...)
23:26 < tsa> rxr: noe, passt schon...
23:26 < tsa> muss auch morgen holyolli erstmal nen einweisung in sf cvs geben...
23:26 < rxr> ich hoffe heute einmal durch zu kommen ...
23:27 < huebi> Mir hat vor 15 Tagen ein richtig guter Windowsmensch erzaehlt, das er mit OO sehr zufrieden ist und gerade seine 5 M$ Office Prof. Lizenzen wieder verkaufen will (a 1300DM). OO hat sogar seine riesigen und komplexen exeltabellen fehlerfrei eingelesen.
23:27 < tsa> ho, das klingt gut..
23:28 < rxr> huebi: OpenOffice sieht wirklich brauchbar aus StarOffce ist hallt nur schnecken-lahm ...
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23:29 < huebi> Merkwuerdiger Typ: er hat ein automatisches Installationssystem fuer Windows entwickelt, was wesendlich mehr kann, als das vom MasoSoft und sagt gleichzeitig aber nichts gegen Linux und ist sehr kooperativ.
23:29 < tsa> hm.... MSCE oder so?
23:30 < huebi> rxr: Da ist ueberall Java mit dabei, das muss immer langsam bleiben... :-)
23:30 < rxr> Jave war in SO nur fure PGP noetig ...
23:30 < tsa> uh...
23:31 < huebi> tsa: Ne, von denen habe ich genug erlebt, der hier ist besser
23:31 < tsa> lol.
23:32 < huebi> der Klaus hat fuer dieseeautomatische Installationssystem jemanden gesucht. 300 Bewerbungen und er hat dann nur 2 gesprochen, aber schon vorher gemeint, die taugen wohl auch nichts. :-)
23:33 < tsa> hm.....also recht hohe ansprueche...
23:33 < tsa> Wobei man wohl wirklich schon ziemlich fit sein muss, um sowas ueberhaupt hinzukriegen...
23:33 < huebi> hoert sich sehr arrogant an war dann spaeter aber so. Jetzt hat er schon den 2. Man an dem Projekt.
23:35 < huebi> tsa: Mit Linux macht man das in macximal einer Woche, man will ja noch was verdienen, aber mit M$ ist das schon ganz schoen haarig. Zu viele bugs.
23:35 < tsa> huebi: unter linux gibt es ja auch schon etliche loesungen in der richtung, die dann im zweifelsfall nur noch angepasst werden muessen...
23:36 < tsa> siehe redhat mit anaconda und pxe-boot, etc....
23:36 < huebi> mein Rekord liegt bei fuenf Stunden fur einen ~30 Node MOSIX Cluster
23:36 < huebi> tsa: Gibt es von MS auch. Tut nur nich...
23:36 < tsa> hehe...
23:37 < tsa> hm.....ich frgae mich gerade, wie schwierig es waere, sowas auch in rock einzubauen...
23:37 < tsa> (install ueber netz mit pxe-boot)
23:37 < tsa> duerfte wahrscheinlich nicht mal sonderlich schwierig sein..
23:38 < huebi> tsa: "trivial" , hehe. Wir brauchen bei der Install nur noch ein paar weitere floppyimages und der Installserver startet von cd (fuer PXE)
23:38 * rxr zeihmlich gelangweil von der stupided arbeit  ...
23:40 < huebi> Ich habe fuer SGI mal einen RH Installserver mit Anaconda eingerichtet. war recht einfach.
23:40 < tsa> huebi: ich hab keine ahnung, wie das mit pxe laeuft....ich tippe mal auf kernel per tftp und root-nfs ...
23:40 < huebi> wir haben auf der boot cd fuer 63 floppyimages platz.
23:41 < tsa> hm......ok..
23:41 < huebi> tsa: tftp und root-nfs ist ein moeglichkeit.
23:41 < tsa> alternativ?
23:42 < huebi> den server fest einzurichten ist aber auch kein hexenwerk.
23:42 < huebi> dhcp und tftp auf jeden Fall.
23:43 < huebi> rootimage in die RAM-disk ware auch noch gut. Anaconda ist da aehnlich.
23:43 < huebi> Ich meine Anaconda laed sich auch komplett in den Hauptspeicher
23:44 < huebi> Aber egal wie, das ist eine sehr schnelle und professionelle Loesung.
23:45 < huebi> laesst sich fuer den "Enterprice"-einsatz dann gut an den Mann bringen.
23:46 < huebi> Sehr schoen waere so ein Installserverbausatz.
23:54 < tsa> http://www.dau-alarm.de/  ;-)
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