--- Log opened Wed Apr 24 00:00:55 2002
--- Day changed Wed Apr 24 2002
00:06 < holyolli> huebi?
00:07 < rxr> Hi holyolli 
00:08 < holyolli> hi rxr :)
00:10 < rxr> ich will doch nur F1GP spielen - wieso ist das sooo schwer? *grummel*
00:10 < holyolli> mh?
00:10 < rxr> bastel immernoch mit wine rum ....
00:11 < rxr> Formula One Grand Prix III ...
00:11 < holyolli> axxo
00:11 < holyolli> <-- überlegt grad, ob huebi die alpha-patches, die ich im neulich geschickt hatte, schon im cvs hat
00:14 < tsa> rxr: nimm wineX.
00:15 < rxr> gibts das kostenlos?
00:15 < tsa> keine fertigen sourcen, aber das cvs repository liegt bei sourceforge.
00:16 < tsa> http://sourceforge.net/projects/winex/
00:20 < rxr> tsa: have you tried it?
00:24 < tsa> rxr: yes, a few months ago.....it was more stable than wine.
00:25 < tsa> ...and they released a 2.0 version a week ago..
00:25 < rxr> ah - I just compile it ;-)
00:25 < fake> damn it
00:25 < tsa> i didn't have the time to test the current version..
00:25 < fake> glibc is still compiling...
00:26 < rxr> fake: which box?
00:26 < fake> indigo2, still.
00:27 * fake has become good at detecting "find"s by listening to the hard drive lately
00:29 < rxr> hm
00:29 < fake> aw, the hell. i'm gonna get myself some sleep.
00:29 < rxr> on the winex website F1GP III is at least listed to install (but not run) - that is more I got out of wine ...
00:29 < fake> n8
00:29 < rxr> nacht!
00:30 < fake> dange - und viel erfolg noch ;-)
00:30 < holyolli> n8 fake
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00:41 < rxr> hm winex sucked genauso
00:44 < tsa> hm....das ist dumm.
00:46 < holyolli> esden?
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00:59 * rxr so jetzt mus mein  glibc2.2.5 running Laptop mal winex testen - das muss doch irgendwie mal zu laufen zu bekommen sein *argh* ...
01:01 < rxr> n8
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01:08 < holyolli> n8 rxr
01:22 < holyolli> oki....good night
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05:24 < Mike1> re
05:27 < Mike1> t[an] you here?
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05:29 < Mike1> re rxr_zZ 
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06:59 < huebi> moin
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09:05 < th> moin
09:39 < fake> moin
10:13 < fake> is ja man wieder die hoelle los hier.
10:27 < fake> damn it.
10:28 < fake> i'll stop  porting to mips on my indigo2 and use the casiopeia instead.
10:28 < fake> it's faster .... *cries*
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10:51 < fake> re
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11:11 < bluefire> moin
11:24 < fake> morschn
12:37 < huebi> Moep! So endlich auf der Arbeit angekommen :-)
12:43 < esden> hi all
12:48 < huebi> hi esden 
12:52 < fake> hi esden!
12:52 < fake> hi huebi 
12:55 < huebi> hi fake 
12:55 < fake> finally qt seems to compile
12:55 < huebi> fake: Bist Du nicht am Freitag bei Ripclaw?
12:56 < fake> (not that i need it ;)
12:56 < fake> huebi: evtl, ich weiss noch net so 100%ig obs zeitlich geht. warum?
12:56 < huebi> hmm. Who was it then?
12:56 < fake> huebi: doch, am ehesten ich ;)
12:57 < huebi> fake: Weil ich auch gleich in der Naehe wohne und dann koennte ich auch noch zu ripclaw kommen.
12:59 < fake> huebi: ich wuerde aber nicht zu lange bleiben .... muss noch weiter - 350 km...
12:59 < huebi> fake: Ich habe am Freitag auch noch viel vor ;) Wann kommst Du denn?
13:00 < huebi> Wenn Du kommst...
13:00 < esden> soo ...
13:00 < fake> huebi: so nachmittag
13:00 < fake> huebi: ich hab um 1 schule aus, dann fahr ich gleich, also je nach stau zw. 2 und 3...
13:01 < esden> mails abgegrast ...
13:01 < esden> ich mache mich an den pset patch wieder ...
13:01 < huebi> fake: und bis wann willst Du da sein?
13:01 < huebi> esden: Welcher Patch ist das?
13:03 < esden> dass ist dass mit den processoren ... was ich fuer lrz mache damit rock ne smp kiste fuer compiles bekommt ...
13:03 < huebi> esden: sehr gut :-)
13:04 < esden> ja ... ich habe gerade gelesen dass ich mich wie es aussieht an nem falschen patch zu schaffen gemacht habe ...
13:04 < esden> aber dass werde ich noch sehen ...
13:05 < esden> mir kommt es vor dass es 2 patches sind die mit einander zu tun haben ...
13:05 < fake> huebi: ich werd mir die SGI Hardware ansehen und dann evtl. noch eine rauchen und dann weiter...
13:05 < esden> fake: bist am wochenende in IN?
13:06 < huebi> fake: Na mal sehen, ob das klappen kann. Waehre schoen.
13:06 < fake> huebi: stimmt.
13:06 < fake> esden: ja.
13:06 < huebi> fake: ripclaw hat da noch ne schoene Alpha...
13:08 < fake> huebi: und ich kein geld
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13:10 < fake> ...
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13:13 < fake> *PRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUST*
13:13 < fake> http://www.WRonline.de/images/fotopaletta.jpg
13:14 < huebi> fake: Lang, lang ist's her :-)
13:14 < esden> fake: der obsti will die alpha wahrscheinlich haben ...
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13:15 < esden> du kuenntest die dem dann vorbeibringen wenn du eh beim rippy bist
13:15 < esden> ;-)
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13:15 < huebi> esden: genau...
13:15 < esden> argh ... dass dauert ja ewig ... muss der kernel so gross sein ....
13:15 < esden> menno
13:16 < fake> klar. sonst noch was?
13:16 < esden> war nur so ne idee sorry ...
13:17 < fake> ich komm da alle 2 wochen so-gut-wie vorbei. also stress dich mal nich.
13:17 < fake> qt baut immernoch.... scheiss c++°
13:17 < fake> !
13:18 < esden> ich stresse mich nicht ... ich habe nur gedacht ... dass lasse ich dass naechste mal dann passt es ...
13:19 < fake> ueberlass das denken den CPU's ;)
13:19 < fake> ehm. scripts/Cleanup loescht doch nicht die gedownloaderen Quellen, oder?
13:20 < huebi> o_O wenn Sand denken koennte... ;
13:20 < esden> also wenn ich mir dass build system von dem kernel anschaue dann denke ich doch schon lieber selbst ... dass ist so dermassen brainded ....
13:21 < fake> High Tech - 50& Silikon, 50% Marijuhana
13:21 < esden> PSETID   PID TTY          TIME CMD
13:21 < esden>     -    278 pts/1    00:00:00 bash
13:21 < esden>     -   3127 pts/1    00:00:00 psetps
13:21 < esden>     -   3128 pts/1    00:00:00 ps
13:22 < esden> geil geil geil ;-)
13:24 < fake> PSETID = SMP?
13:26 < esden> fake: mehr als dass
13:26 < esden> dass sagt aus an welchen processor-set der process gebunden ist ...
13:26 < esden> lrz braucht es fuer deren grossrechner ;-)
13:27 < esden> so 16 processoren ++
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13:43 < rxr> hi
13:51 < esden> hi rxr 
13:51 < fake> hi rxr
13:54 < rxr> I got F1GP 3 to install last night under Wine(X) - but the game tries to load a dll which does some protected mode violation to check teh copy protection of the CD ... so I was not yet able to play it :-(((
13:55 < huebi> hi rxr 
13:55 < rxr> oh 2.5.10 is out ;-)
13:57 < fake> rxr> the pay-for version of WineX does some copy protection "tweaks"
13:57 < rxr> fake: I found a patch that removed the cd check from the .exe - I consider installing Windows, patch the game, and copy the files into Wine (the patch.exe also does crash in Wine ...)
13:58 < fake> rxr: good idea.
13:58 < rxr> the kernel changelogs are really too long for a quick "what changed" read ...
13:59 < fake> rxr; i think the new "format" of 'em 's bullshit
14:00 < rxr> the former one was too short - and the new one far too long ... :-(
14:00 < fake> yeah
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14:36 < holyolli> moin
14:40 < bluefire> rxr: get a patched version without copy protection: www.gamecopyworld.com
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14:46 < esden> ha ! first bug found ;-)
14:46 < holyolli> mh?
14:47 < esden> holyolli: pset patch
14:47 < holyolli> axxo
14:51 < rxr> YESH! I see the start movie - the fist time! ;-))))))
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14:57 < armijn> re
14:57 < armijn> why doesn't huebi update the changelog?
14:58 < armijn> just a question.
14:58 < armijn> not the nicest one, I know
14:58 < esden> hi armijn 
14:58 < armijn> hi esden
15:00 < esden> [question] does anyone know where to get (or what the name of it is) a very good reference book about the kernel .... IIRC the name was "Kernel Black Book" it had such a unstandard format ... 
15:01 < armijn> you mean the one from Coriolis?
15:01 < esden> I have seen this book on Linuxtag two kears ago
15:01 < armijn> it's about the 2.2 kernel
15:01 < esden> armijn: can be do not remember ..
15:02 < armijn> big, unstandard format, right?
15:02 < armijn> and black
15:02 < esden> right
15:02 < armijn> that's the one from coriolis
15:02 < armijn> it's not that good
15:02 < armijn> why not get the one from O'Reilly?
15:02 < esden> really ?
15:02 < armijn> what do you need it for?
15:02 < esden> i need it to learn more about the kernel internals
15:03 < esden> scheduler ... smp and stuff like this
15:03 < armijn> why not take the one from O'Reilly?
15:03 < esden> and how it is working in the linux kernel
15:04 < esden> armijn: hmm ... yes why not ... ;-)
15:04 < armijn> esden: you might want to check out some of the books by W. Richard Stevens
15:05 * armijn puts on Danzig
15:05 < esden> armijn: the most of them are already in my shelf
15:05 < esden> and I already read the most of them
15:06 < esden> but they are about unix in general and not kernel specific
15:06 < armijn> http://www.coriolis.com/technology2.asp
15:07 < armijn> it's there.
15:08 < esden> armijn: which book of the Stevens books do you suggest
15:08 < esden> ?
15:08 < esden> "We are sorry, but Coriolis Store is closed at the moment. Come again soon.
15:08 < esden> "
15:08 < armijn> yeah, I know
15:09 < armijn> esden: advanced programming in the unix environment is ok
15:09 < armijn> and there are a few books about unix internals
15:09 < esden> yes the one is pending for reading ... 
15:09 < armijn> oh, and the one from Kirk McKusick about BSD 4.2 is also good
15:09 < armijn> esden: you know www.kernelnewbies.org?
15:10 < esden> I heared of it ... *click*
15:10 < armijn> heh, I can't see the machine from here, but I pet it sometimes :)
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15:15 < Mike1> Hi all
15:15 < armijn> hi
15:15 < rxr> HI Mike1 
15:16 < Mike1> armijn pretty nice Porting Guide
15:16 < Mike1> rxr got ur Ultra 5 ?
15:17 < rxr> Mike1: not yet - Ripclaw has not sent it out - he likes to finish some tests and will send it between Th and next Mo ... 
15:17 * rxr doing a reboot into a glibc-2.2.5 systzem - cu
15:18 < armijn> ultra5...nice
15:18 < armijn> digging into an issue that clifford brought up yesterday...
15:18 < armijn> mailing with the debian sparc guys
15:18 < Mike1> armijn today i start my work in 1.5.14, i will stand by 1.7 for a while
15:19 < armijn> ok
15:20 < Mike1> armijn i hope ur patches work for me
15:20 < Mike1> :)
15:20 < armijn> oh they do, as long as you keep awayfrom the optional packages
15:20 < armijn> I've seen only 4 packages fail
15:20 < armijn> and I expected those
15:21 < armijn> ltrace, lvm, kernel, modules, openssl
15:21 < armijn> ok, that's 5 packages
15:22 < Mike1> dont worry i definitly want to have a base system running before i get into opt or ext pkgs, is useless work if i have no base system to run them in :)
15:22 < armijn> ltrace and lvm should be removed first
15:22 < armijn> they just won't build.
15:22 < armijn> ltrace hasn't been ported
15:22 < armijn> and lvm needs an additional kernel patch'
15:23 < Mike1> which u are working on right?
15:23 < Mike1> :D
15:23 < armijn> no, it already exists
15:24 < Mike1> oh thats good
15:24 < armijn> but actually I don't care for LVM right now
15:24 < Mike1> :)
15:24 < armijn> or journalling filesystems
15:24 < Mike1> BTW i think u should have been more spesific in what basic tools u need to have installed in ur system to port
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15:25 < anders> re
15:25 < armijn> mike1: yeah, need to work on that...but not the next two weeks...
15:25 < Mike1> re anders 
15:25 * anders wonders who submitted the link to the OpenBSD release-songs...
15:26 < armijn> probably ripclaw
15:26 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A59.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux
15:26 < anders> way cool.. :) When's ROCK getting something similar? ;-)
15:26 < snyke> hi all
15:26 < armijn> anders: when we find someone who can sing
15:26 < anders> armijn: ah... might take a while then... ;-D
15:26 < Mike1> armijn is there any insanity level for porting rock that get you to sing?
15:27 < Mike1> hi snyke 
15:27 < armijn> mike1: no, just scream
15:27 < anders> I guess most of you have already listened to those tunes...?
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15:27 < Mike1> armijn what if he come a bit creative and make something like... "The Scream Song" 
15:27 < clifford> fake: it's a gcc bug.
15:28 < armijn> clifford: for MIPS?
15:28 * anders wonders if clifford is a good singer...
15:28 < clifford> yes.
15:28 < Mike1> maybe clifford could help us with some mixes and even sing :)
15:28 < anders> mmhmmmm
15:28 < armijn> clifford: I hope you answered me, not anders :)
15:28 < anders> *grin*
15:29 < clifford> armijn: yes anders: I'm a better producer ..
15:29 < Mike1> clifford the only musical work i ve seen from you is tuxtronic
15:29 < anders> :)
15:29 < Mike1> seen/heard
15:31 < armijn> clifford: a gcc bug...nasty
15:32 < clifford> armijn: I've not found it yet - but I can cross-build glibc from mips with gcc3 but not with gcc2. It looks like gcc2 is producing a ".set mips16" in it assembler output. But I don't see those lines when calling gcc with '-S' ...
15:33 < armijn> hmm
15:33 < armijn> why isn't there a good book about gcc?
15:35 < clifford> armijn: "Using and porting GNU CC" - written by Richard M. Stallman
15:35 < Mike1> armijn what are the basic tools are needed to port for sparc64?
15:36 < rxr> hi clifford 
15:36 < armijn> mike1: gcc, egcs64, awk, autoconf, automake, sed, diff, bash, make, ...
15:36 < armijn> perl
15:37 < clifford> rxr: hi!
15:37 < Mike1> armijn i mean as the aditional tools such as sparcutils
15:37 < fake> clifford: here.
15:37 < snyke> hm.
15:37 < armijn> mike1: ah
15:37 < armijn> mike1: sparcutils, elftoaout, silo
15:37 < anders> humma.. OpenBSD 3.1 being released next month, Debian Woody going stable next month. What of ROCK is going stable/official next month? :)
15:37 < armijn> mike1: those still need to be added...
15:38 < fake> clifford: the indigo2 crashed again yesterday - this time loosing all files on the external scsi drive. damn it.
15:38 < huebi> anders: Yes
15:38 * Mike1 trying to make check list of utils and later make some feedback to armijns guide
15:38 < fake> then i noticed that this Casio Casiopeia is faster than my Indigo2....
15:38 < clifford> rxr: why are we "using" abiword 1.1.0 ?? The last version i can find on the download-dir is abiword-1.0.0 ..
15:39 < anders> huebi: Yes to which bit? :)
15:39 < rxr> clifford: sorry - must have been a typo ...
15:39 < huebi> anders: 1.6
15:39 < Mike1> armijn ok thank you
15:39 < Mike1> armijn those are the only ones?
15:39 < armijn> mike1: but there might be soemthing more, not sure
15:39 < anders> huebi: there a pre-release page somewhere?
15:40 < clifford> rxr: should I change it here or will it be in your next patch?
15:40 < armijn> mike1: ask the splack people
15:40 < Mike1> armijn such as?
15:40 < armijn> mike1: if I knew, I would have told you!
15:40 < rxr> clifford: you can chage it - you are currently merging my last two patch-sets?
15:40 < Mike1> armijn :P so i will find it out let you know later when i sent some feedback to ur guide
15:41 < fake> clifford: maybe it will all work if i build with gcc3? *g*
15:42 < armijn> fake: apart from the fact that it's not the official kernel compiler.
15:42 < clifford> fake: I have problems with all the other packages when cross-building with gcc3 ..
15:42 < fake> armijn: *bleh* who cares.
15:42 < armijn> fake: well, the maintainers do care
15:42 < fake> clifford: damn it. i could've guessed it.
15:42 * clifford released snapshot 1.7.0-DEV-200204241528.
15:43 < fake> ...
15:43 < fake> clifford: did you include the postmake libpng link?
15:43 < fake> it really messes up a big part of the system...
15:44 < fake> armijn: then we could build the kernel with 2.96 and everything else with 3, right?
15:45 < Mike1> clifford whats this?
15:45 < Mike1> root@nemesis:/mnt/rock-src-1.7.0-DEV# ./scripts/Update-Src -all
15:45 < Mike1> Updating the entire ROCK Sources ...
15:45 < Mike1> Running 'rsync -rltzv --delete rsync://www.rocklinux.org/rocklinux-snapshot/Documentation/ Documentation/' ...
15:45 < Mike1> failed to connect to www.rocklinux.org - Connection refused
15:45 < Mike1> ....
15:46 < snyke> rocklinux.org is up...
15:46 < armijn> fake: AFAIk the official one is 2.95.3
15:46 < Mike1> snyke i know but for some reason i get those errors
15:46 < snyke> hrm strange
15:47 < snyke>  cyron postfix/smtpd[37032]: fatal: open database /etc/aliases.db: Invalid argument
15:47 < Mike1> clifford ?
15:47 < huebi> anders: http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/snapshots/ - A HP for 1.6 will come in a few days. But I have to work _very_ much in the moment.
15:47 < snyke> ah
15:47 < snyke> fuck
15:47 < snyke> *g*
15:47 < rxr> Mike1: rsync works here ...
15:47 < Mike1> rxr funny thing is only get the error when running ./scripts/Update-Src ...
15:48 < armijn> huebi: you never update the changelog :(
15:48 < anders> huebi: okidoki.. bookmarked that page.. 
15:48 < clifford> Mike1: I can connect to the rsync server from here ..
15:48 < huebi> [ ....did you include the postmake libpng link? ] - We need some other ln -sf for at least Oracle 
15:49 * anders hopes to get ADSL in the next quarter or so.. 
15:49 < anders> Hopefully before the end of June..
15:49 < huebi> armijn: I have no login to cvs at the moment. I have to fix it later.
15:49 < Mike1> clifford mmm weird i will look depper into this
15:50 < armijn> huebi: ok
15:51 < huebi> armijn: Do your patches also work in ix86?
15:51 < huebi> or better with?
15:51 < anders> huebi: I know all about working lots.. 
15:51 < Mike1> armijn i have no space left in my hd i will have to delete my work in 1.7 to go for 1.5.14 :(
15:51 < armijn> huebi: no x86 machine to test with
15:51 < armijn> mike1: fair enough
15:51 < huebi> armijn: Ok I'll test it then.
15:52 < anders> I work on the IBM virtualisation project that got announced officially yesterday..
15:52 < rxr> hint: never use wine on a glibc-2.1 system #
15:52 < armijn> huebi: but I don't think they influence the x86 build at all...
15:52 < Mike1> armijn no its not, but oh well 
15:52 < huebi> rxr why?
15:52 < Mike1> anders whats the project about?
15:53 < armijn> ehr, where can I find debian source packages?
15:53 < rxr> does not work very well (neraly nothgin works) - glibc-2.2 is MUCH better
15:53 < armijn> I feel such a dummy here...
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15:53 < huebi> rxr: Thank You!
15:53 < anders> Mike1: it is a SAN virtualisation product.. it was announced together with the long awaited Storage Tank...
15:53 < rxr> huebi: you use wine?
15:54 < anders> armijn: ftp.debian.org somewhere.. I can give you some paths..
15:55 < armijn> anders: ah well, never mind...
15:55 < anders> armijn: ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/
15:56 < anders> armijn: depends what release of debian you are after.. the most recent one is woody..
15:56 < armijn> anders: yeah, but the sources...as in, build descriptions...
15:56 < armijn> never mind...
15:57 < Mike1> armijn apt-get pkg ; cd pkg ; vi Makefile
15:58 < armijn> mike1: no, that's not it...
15:58 < armijn> I'll figure it out myself
15:58 < Mike1> armijn #debian ?
15:59 < Mike1> how much free space do i need to build 1.5.14 base?
15:59 < armijn> mike1: depends.
16:00 < huebi> Mike1: I don't measured exact numbers. But it could be ~3-4GB. Everything is now copied instead of being moved.
16:01 < huebi> Mike1: base+opt
16:01 < Mike1> huebi i don care for the opt now just base
16:01 < holyolli> huebi: moin
16:01 < huebi> moin holyolli 
16:01 < armijn> mike1: I think about 2 GB
16:02 < holyolli> huebi: was the cvs commit correct or did i make some mistakes?
16:03 < Mike1> armijn gut
16:05 < esden> armijn: there seems to be a new version of the coriolis book ... from 2001
16:06 < esden> so I suppose that this one is containing the 2.4 kernel
16:06 < huebi> holyolli: I'll have a look later. I'm very busy here at work. :-)
16:07 < armijn> mike1: hey, I'm not german, so... :)
16:07 < Mike1> armijn ok then ... Bien !!! *G
16:09 < armijn> no french.
16:15 < Mike1> <fede2:#splack> Mike1: Hey, finally I found how the heck to build an ISO image that will boot on blades 100.
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16:22 < Mike1> <fede2:#splack> Mike1: The initrd needed to be (aprox) smaller that 3M. Right know, Cris Newport is working on this workarround, but the test I made worked
16:22 < Mike1>                 fine.
16:29 < snyke> hm
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16:29 < rxr> wine is hacking - the registry hacking is the worst thing of it ...
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16:33 < huebi> rxr: I'm not using wine but I know and meet regulary with Uwe Bonne, one of the wine developers.
16:33 < huebi> Uwe Bonnes
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16:35 < rxr> oh!
16:35 < tsa> moin.
16:36 < huebi> hi tsa 
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16:36 < tsa> hi huebi
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16:37 < tsa> gibt's in 1.5 nen opera-package? wenn ja - schon geupdatet auf 6.0 beta2 ?
16:38 < th> oehm
16:38 < th> sekunde
16:38 < th> opera-5.05_tp1-shared_qt-libnpp-0.1.1.x86.tar.gz
16:38 < th> # [M] G.Bevin gbevin@theleaf.be
16:38 < tsa> hm....uralt.
16:38 < th> opera-6.0-20020110.1-static_qt.i386.tar.gz is das besser?
16:39 < huebi> Prinzenrolle not found! Go and fetch some cookies. - *click* *click* *click* ....
16:40 < huebi> bbl
16:40 < tsa> http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/infosys/browsers/opera/linux/600/beta2/opera-6.0-20020412.1-static-qt.i386.tar.gz
16:40 < tsa> th: nee.....ist nicht aktuell.
16:40 < th> tsa: die extension is simple, updatest du sie?
16:41 < th> tsa: ich kann sie dir ganz unkompliziert per mail schicken und du machst sie aktuell.
16:41 < tsa> th: ich hab keinen zugriff auf huebi's cvs....
16:41 < tsa> fuer den 1.7 tree kann ich das heute abend wohl machen..
16:41 < th> soll ich dir das per mail schicken?
16:41 < tsa> brauchst du nicht, ich denk schon so dran ;)
16:41 < th> ich kann es dann bei huebi einchecken
16:41 < huebi> tsa: brauchst du ein login fuer cvs?
16:41 < th> oder so
16:41 < th> ;)
16:42 < tsa> huebi: hm.....jo, mach mal..
16:43 < tsa> sjaenick:$1$2VWKLE2p$XKH9lS9vpLDCgCo.H0Mxj1:
16:43 < tsa> (md5)
16:44 < huebi> tsa: login = tsa?
16:45 < tsa> ok.
16:45 < huebi> Sebastian Jaenicke?
16:46 < tsa> hier! *meld*
16:46 < tsa> ;)
16:47 < huebi> tsa: Probier mal login
16:48 < tsa> Permission denied (publickey,password,keyboard-interactive).
16:48 < huebi> md5 paste is perhaps corrupted
16:48 < Mike1> ok see you later guys
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16:49 < tsa> huebi: dann setz nen passwort und schicks per /msg ...ich aender es dann gleich...
16:51 < tsa> Password changed.
16:52 < huebi> tsa: jo, cvs should do now
16:59 < tsa> $CVSROOT ?
16:59 < tsa>  /home/cvs/CVSROOT ?
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17:08 < tsa> hat sich erledigt.
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17:08 < armijn> re
17:11 < esden> ha ha I have it! ...
17:11 < armijn> clifford: I did some research about the glibc stuff that you were wondering about
17:11 < armijn> clifford: answer is in your mailbox
17:12 < huebi> re
17:12 * clifford establishinf imap thru ssh connection ..
17:13 < huebi> tsa: cvs -d :ext:tsa@rocklinux.dyndns.org:/home/cvs/cvsroot co rock-1.5
17:13 < huebi> tsa: axxo\
17:16 < armijn> clifford: basically, it means that the way we do it now, we're safe.
17:16 * armijn relieved
17:16 < armijn> talking about relieving, I'm gonna relieve myself now
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17:17 < Mike1> re
17:17 < tsa> huebi: dein cvs ist komisch.
17:18 < huebi> tsa: wizo?
17:18 < tsa> wenn ich aus dem rock-1.5 Verzeichnis committen will, erkennt er nur INDEX.1.4 und INDEX.1.5 als geaendert.
17:18 < tsa> das opera.ext hat er uebersehen..
17:18 < tsa> ich habs jetzt einzeln commitet..
17:19 < huebi> opera.ext has been there already?
17:19 < tsa> yes.
17:19 < tsa> ...and i did not forget saving my changes... ;-)
17:20 < huebi> hmm. Ahh... the time on the server could differ from yours, perhaps.
17:20 < clifford> armijn: that can not be right.
17:20 < tsa> i changed opera.ext, did a ./scripts/Build-Index and then "cvs commit" ..
17:20 < armijn> clifford: why not?
17:20 < tsa> huebi: i worked directly on your box...
17:20 < huebi> hmm 
17:20 < armijn> clifford: all the distro's on sparc/ultrasparc do it this way
17:21 < clifford> If you compare the assember inlines in asm-sparc/unistd.h and asm-sparc64/unistd you will see that sparc and sparc64 kernels do implement system call in a incompatible maner.
17:21 < huebi> cu 
17:21 < huebi> I go home now
17:21 < armijn> bye huebi
17:21 < clifford> Beside all other differences: sparc is using software trap 0x10 for system calls and sparc64 is using software trap 0x6d ..
17:22 < armijn> clifford: I don't know...
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17:22 < armijn> clifford: but this is the way Debian does it as well and it seems to work
17:22 < clifford> the glibc _must_ know if the kernel is sparc or sparc64.
17:22 < t[an]> hi there
17:22 < armijn> clifford: have you seen the generate-asm script?
17:23 < clifford> the only question is if it is using the kernel headers to get the assembler code or has a copy of it.
17:23 < armijn> I think it's using the kernel headers
17:24 < clifford> Usually the glibc has it's own copy of this assembler code - so when you build glibc without letting it know that the kernel is sparc64, it will not run on that kernel.
17:25 < armijn> clifford: you mean if it uses /usr/src/linux/include?
17:25 * clifford reading glibc sources ..
17:26 < armijn> clifford: regarding this subject I trust this debian guy. He's the maintainer, so...
17:26 < armijn> and seems to know a lot about it
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17:30 < armijn> I'm puzzled...
17:30 < esden> cu all ... I will continue the fight with the kernel lateron ...
17:31 < t[an]> bye esden 
17:31 < armijn> esden: hehe, cu
17:34 * clifford is confused ...
17:35 < armijn> clifford: because they say it works?
17:36 < clifford> because it looks like glibc is using software trap 0 (and other registers for the parameters) ..
17:37 < armijn> hmm
17:38 < term_emu> re
17:40 < t[an]> hi term_emu 
17:41 < Mike1> Jonathan como estas hoy?
17:41 < armijn> he changed his nick again?
17:41 < t[an]> Hola Miguel
17:41 < Mike1> armijn yeah
17:41 < t[an]> hoy estoy bien, al menos no como otrs dias
17:41 < t[an]> y vos?
17:41 < Mike1> very good thanks
17:42 < t[an]> :)
17:42 < t[an]> ive finished with the first book
17:42 < t[an]> join #flood
17:46 < armijn> clifford: ah well, you're the guru :)
17:46 < snyke_> hm
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17:57 < armijn> ah well
17:57 < armijn> I'm off, dinner date with a few other geeks
17:57 < armijn> cu
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18:02 < t[an]> brb
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18:08 * clifford is even more confused.
18:09 < clifford> I cant find the definitions for the trap entry points in the kernel sources ..
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18:10 < clifford> however - I'll just believe that it works ... :-)
18:12 < tsa> bbl.
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18:12 < Mike1> ew
18:12 < Mike1> re
18:13 < clifford> I need a little break so I can work on my commercial projects ...
18:13 < clifford> cu later ..
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18:15 -!- blindy|baka is now known as blindcoder
18:15 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
18:16 < Mike1> hello blindcoder 
18:17 < blindcoder> hi Mike1 
18:39 < Mike1> can anyone please make traceroute to 196.40.44.17 and paste it to me 
18:40 < blindcoder> the complete traceroute?
18:41 < Mike1> just the last line
18:41 < blindcoder> 18  * * *
18:41 < Mike1> before that?
18:41 < blindcoder> 17  draco-fe-4-0-0.racsa.co.cr (196.40.31.163)  207.599 ms draco-fe-1-0-0.racsa.co.cr (196.40.31.131)  176.328 ms draco-fe-4-0-0.racsa.co.cr (196.40.31.163)  174.327 ms
18:42 < Mike1> blindcoder do it again and let it go 19 to see it keeps  * * *
18:42 < blindcoder> it's still going. now at 24 * * *
18:42 < Mike1> ok thank you blindcoder 
18:42 < blindcoder> np ;)
18:43 * blindcoder is continuing work on his .pz configurator
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18:48 < Mike1> hi hackbard 
18:48 < hackbard> hiho miguel
18:49 < Mike1> wie geht es dir?
18:49 < hackbard> finished my first expermiment succesfully! :)
18:49 < Mike1> good mom
18:50 < blindcoder> hackbard> what experiment?
18:51 < hackbard> dielectrical spectroscopy
18:51 < blindcoder> that doesn't have to have any meaning to me, does it?
18:54 < hackbard> not realy :)
18:54 < hackbard> expect ur studying physics
18:56 * snyke bitz
18:58 < blindcoder> err... not really... not at all to be honest ;)
19:20 * blindcoder hi9ts his table
19:23 * praenti is here
19:23 < praenti> hi
19:24 < praenti> does anyone know a board where buffered SDRAM is needed?
19:25 < huebi> praenti: SUN Ultra 5
19:25 < huebi> compaq servers
19:25 < huebi> praenti: SUN Netra X1
19:25 < huebi> praenti: SUN Ultra 10
19:25 < praenti> interessant. hab da namlich 256mb rumliegen. bei ebay für 70 EUR ersteigert
19:26 < praenti> war da als EDO-Ram ausgezeichnet *lol*
19:26 < huebi> 1 riegel?
19:26 < praenti> 2 riegel
19:26 * blindcoder smashing his keyboard onto his head
19:26 < huebi> Prentui: HABEN WILL!
19:27 * rxr has GP3 now running with sound and joystick ;-))))))))))
19:27 < blindcoder> rxr> wineX?
19:27 < praenti> huebi: moment. die brauch ich aber unter umständen noch selber. nebenbei sind die noch nicht getestet
19:27 < huebi> blindcoder: I hope it's one of the unbreakable old IBM-"hack-"boars.
19:28 < blindcoder> huebi> iie.it's a new, easy-to-damage Dexxa Wireless
19:28 < rxr> blindcoder: jups
19:28 < rxr> blindcoder: kann aber auch sein das wine auch tut - ich hatte in wine und winex am anfang die selben fehler gemacht ...
19:28 < blindcoder> rxr> you remind me of playing another round of Septerra Core...
19:28 < huebi> blindcoder: The cheap ones cost too much if they can break
19:29 * blindcoder turns his head and looks at the Keyboard-Graveyard where 5 unusable Keyboards are lying...
19:29 < rxr> blindcoder: nur die graphic in den menus sind die farben noch falsch ...
19:29 < huebi> Head = selfhealing = priceless
19:29 < blindcoder> *lol*
19:30 < blindcoder> rxr> ich denke das kann man verkraften ;)
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19:30 < praenti> snyke: da?
19:31 < blindcoder> I just found out why my pz-configurator didn't work. It might help if I use theright variables at the right places...
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19:40 < rxr> blindcoder: weisst du was man fuer funktionsfaehiges direct3d machen muss?
19:41 * Mike1 working
19:45 < blindcoder> unter wine? gute frage...
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19:59 < tomik> hello
19:59 < huebi> hi tomik 
20:03 < huebi> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root     492560384 Sep 13  2001 rock-i686-base-1.4.0.iso <- sometimes somthing comes gack :-)
20:04 < huebi> Is it possible to encrypt nfs?
20:13 < jonath[an]> back
20:13 < jonath[an]> hi there
20:13 < SMP> huebi: encrypt while it goes over the network?
20:13 < praenti> hi jonath[an] 
20:14 < huebi> SMP: Yes while transfering data. Not an encrypted fs.
20:14 < SMP> huebi: well. use IPsec. or CIPE or any other rather broken secure tunnel
20:16 < SMP> but be warned, IPsec *sucks* with Linux
20:17 < huebi> SMP: I just found something with ssh. I read that. What I want is a file system for maintenance for root mountable on any client in the net. So that I can have my development tools and config files temporary on every box in the network.
20:18 < hackbard> especially masquerading ipsec (vpn), what i tried the some days ago
20:18 < hackbard> -the
20:18 * huebi is just cleaning the 3rd disk for world...
20:19 < SMP> ahh :)
20:21 < th> sounds great ;)
20:21 < th> hi SMP, btw
20:22 < blindcoder> praenti: SYNOPSIS: ./pz-config.sh [ <base> | <ext> ]
20:23 < blindcoder> wow... #anime-pixel: [O/13 N/420 I/0 V/52 F/0]
20:23 < huebi> http://www.samag.com/documents/s=4072/sam0203d/sam0203d.htm <- nfs over ssh with iptables. sounds good. I'll test it at work.
20:28 < praenti> blindcoder: kannst du das auch für 1.7 schreiben? find ich nämlich ganz nett
20:29 < blindcoder> sobald ich mich mit 1.7 auseinandergesetzt habe. ich finds eigentlich ziemlich scheisse so wie's is... werds vielleicht durch ein C-Programm mit ncurses austauschen... bin mit der Oberflaeche ziemlich unzufrieden
20:29 < praenti> funzt aber im moment nicht mit ext
20:30 < praenti> wär besser.
20:30 < blindcoder> 2funzt NICHT mit ext?
20:30 < blindcoder> wundert mich  jetzt etwas...
20:31 < praenti> blindcoder: macht einen darstellungsfehler und bei ext müsste man das ext behandeln. die pz werden ja aus den ext generiert
20:31 < blindcoder> mhm... naja ist ein erster versuch... wenn man manuell das ext beachtet sollte es gehen ;)
20:33 < th> haben wir hier ein wenig fax erfahrung im channel?
20:33 < th> per modem faxen>?
20:34 < th> hylafax oder sowas gibts da ja
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20:37 < tsa> re.
20:37 < th> das hab ich befuerchtet
20:37 < th> wb tsa
20:40 < Mike1> re tsa 
20:42 < th> huebi: kein hylafax in der 1.5?
20:43 < huebi> th Don't know :-(
20:43 < th> huebi: hattest du nicht mal von sf uebernommen?
20:43 < th> im sf tree isses drin.
20:43 < th> ich nehms mal mit rueber, wie?
20:44 < huebi> th: Jo mach' das. Danke :-)
20:45 < th> [X-rm-fetch]
20:45 < th> wassen das?
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20:46 < holyolli> hi
20:46 < tsa> tag lolli.
20:46 < holyolli> hallo tesa
20:48 < th> tsa: hattest du vorhin ./scripts/Build-Index benutzt?
20:48 < th> (nach deiner opera aenderung)
20:48 < tsa> th: jupp.
20:48 < tsa> wieso?
20:48 < th> nett
20:48 < th> wollts nur wissen.
20:49 < th> woher wusstest du, dass du das nehmen sollst?
20:49 < th> ich hab das zwar geschrieben aber es nirgens documentiert, IRIC
20:49 < th> s,IRIC,IIRC,
20:49 < tsa> th: scripts/Puzzle gabs nich. und das war das einzige, was noch unter scripts/ rumlag..
20:49 < th> hehe ok
20:49 < tsa> aber irgendwas ist da sowieso broken auf dem cvs...
20:50 < th> wieso?
20:50 < th> was?
20:51 < tsa> nach einem "vi ext-config/opera/opera.ext ; ./scripts/Build-Index ; cvs commit ) hat mir der cvs-server nur INDEX.1.(
20:51 < tsa> 4|5) als geeaendet erkannt.
20:51 < tsa> das geaenderte opera.ext hat er einfach mal ignoriert..
20:51 < th> hmmm
20:51 < th> bei mir hat er es aber gepatched
20:52 < tsa> ich hab's dann nochmal einzeln committet, dann klappte es..
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20:52 < th> opera-6.0-20020412.1-static-qt.i386.tar.gz
20:52 < tsa> hm....komisch das.
20:52 < th> sag mal bescheid wenn du ein reproduzierbares problem siehst
20:52 < tsa> ok, mach ich.
20:53 < huebi> Ich werde mir das die Tage mal ansehen. Vielleicht finde ich ja was. Aber behaltet das trotzdem mal weiter im Auge
20:53 < holyolli> re huebi... :)
20:54 < praenti> wo ist esden eigentlich heute
20:55 < th> huebi: schaust du selber in den bugtracker?
20:55 < th> huebi: da is ein ticket fuer dich
20:56 < huebi> danke th Das ist das erst ! *freu* The other was from acow
20:56 < th> das is schon von montag ;)
20:58 < huebi> https,  Port 443, brauche ich fuer ssh mit transconnect per http CONNECT durch den proxy. 
21:00 < th> hey hey hey
21:00 < th> wozu haben wir einen bugtracker?
21:00 < th> schreibs rein ich antworte ;) sonst kriegen wir das ja nie getestet
21:00 < jonath[an]> -+- away -+-
21:01 < th> huebi: kannst du nich auf 9443 einen https aufmachen?
21:02 < jonath[an]> afK
21:02 < jonath[an]> <dalai|afK> ps2 ;)
21:02 < jonath[an]> <hackbard> lol
21:02 < jonath[an]> <hackbard> nice pic
21:02 < jonath[an]> #hackdawor dalai|afK  H   ~max@-*?*-37563.dip.t-dialin.net (hugo)
21:02 < jonath[an]> #hackdawor pmiP       H+  pimpv303@-*?*-40312.dip.t-dialin.net (get di gar nix an)
21:02 < jonath[an]> #hackdawor hackbard   Hr@ ~hackbard@192.168.10.-*?*-40967 (hackbard)
21:02 < jonath[an]> #hackdawor Sarah      Hr@ fuckwhois@-*?*-39106.dip.t-dialin.net (-)
21:02 < jonath[an]> #hackdawor Dreibot    G   ~Dreibot@-*?*-41267.dip.t-dialin.net (bockdan)
21:02 < jonath[an]> #hackdawor jonath[an] H   ~jonvargas@208.165.55.-*?*-52806 (200114873 Jonathan Vargas Rodriguez)
21:02 < jonath[an]> #hackdawor |defcon_on Hr@ ~eggdrop@192.168.10.-*?*-40823 (Defcon One)
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21:04 < huebi> th: WIE WARE es mit 2381?
21:04 < th> wie exquisit aber ok
21:04 < huebi> compaq-https    2381/tcp # Compaq HTTPS
21:04 < huebi> hehe
21:04 < th> am leichtesten waere es wenn du einen link reinsetzt
21:05 < praenti> in welchem paket ist ip und tc drin?
21:05 < tsa> iproute2
21:06 < hackbard> huh? wtf ...
21:06 < th> jo
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21:18 < tsa> Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris                                                   
21:18 < tsa> I have to change the root password urgently due to some security problems.      
21:18 < tsa> How do I do it?
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21:19 < tsa> Manchen Leuten sollte man wirklich nix anderes als Windoze geben... *seufz*
21:21 < th> tsa: passwd?
21:22 < tsa> th: auf solche Postings antworte ich nicht...
21:23 < tsa> th: im Usenet ist genug Muell unterwegs..
21:24 < th> hehe jo
21:24 < term_aweh> gute nacht mitanand
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21:24 < tsa> ich sollte mal anfangen, nach "X-Newsreader" zu scoren..
21:24 < tsa> ;)
21:24 * snyke re
21:25 < blindcoder> oyasumi nasai
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21:29 < th> th.segfault ~ > telnet rocklinux.dyndns.org 2381
21:29 < th> Trying 80.129.127.224...
21:29 < th> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
21:31 < snyke> mepmep :)
21:42 < jonath[an]> re
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21:50 < d3miaway> wie geht es dir?
21:55 < praenti> snyke: hast du dem esden schon deine compaq-kiste gegeben?
21:59 < snyke> hm
21:59 < snyke> nein
21:59 < snyke> er hat sie noch nicht abgeholt
22:00 < snyke> @praenti
22:09 < praenti> snyke: was hast du da für ram drin?
22:10 < snyke> oehm
22:10 < snyke> ka was das is
22:10 < snyke> 64megs >_< sind immo drin
22:10 < snyke> simm is da drin
22:10 < snyke> 60ns
22:11 < snyke> sonst haett ich schon mehr rein, aber der frisst nur 60ns
22:11 < praenti> shitt. wollte nämlich wissen ob du buffered sdram drin hast. brauch ne kiste zum testen von 2 128mb riegeln
22:11 < snyke> hm
22:11 < snyke> buffered?
22:11 < praenti> jo
22:11 < snyke> wo is unterschied?
22:11 * snyke is hardware nich so >_<
22:12 < praenti> unbuffered ist normalerweise. buffered ist meistens in sun, compaq, ... zu finden
22:12 < rxr> praenti: sollen buffered nich auch in ganz normalen mainboards tuen?
22:12 < praenti> einziger unterschied ist die obere kerbe und ein zusätzlicher buffer-logic-baustein
22:13 < rxr> da sind doch einfach nur treiber drauf um den Bus nicht so stark zu belasten ...
22:13 < praenti> rxr: passt aber nicht rein
22:13 < rxr> praenti: hm
22:13 < snyke> hmm
22:13 < snyke> der hannes hat compaq kisten
22:13 < snyke> ganz neue
22:13 < snyke> aber der wird sie ned aufmachen deswegen
22:13 < praenti> der 30 dürfte auch eine haben
22:14 < praenti> kennt sich jemand mit tc aus
22:14 < praenti> ich möchte auf eine mac-adresse nur noch die hälfte vom dsl-upstream geben
22:14 < rxr> als mit standard wine laeft gp3 nicht - nur mit winex ...
22:15 < rxr> s/als/also/
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22:24 < praenti> ok. hab was gefunden. geh jetzt aber schlafen. gn8
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23:02 < SMP> rxr: you there?
23:11 < rxr> SMP: jups
23:12 < SMP> rxr: ST:ENT 01.21 ist da.
23:12 < rxr> oh. Geht es weiter? ;-)
23:12 < SMP> jo. ganz frisch
23:12 < SMP> aber doofe Folge.
23:13 * rxr downloading
23:34 < snyke> n8
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