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00:15 < rxr> das s.o. uses GMX here? - They seem to convert the mails to Windows line-breaking since an hour which destroys the mails
00:21 < Mike1> cu
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00:21 < rxr> ah - no it was procmail - sorry ...
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00:33 < th> hat hier zufaellig jemand ein fax-geraet zur hand?
00:33 < d3miaway> re
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00:33 < jonath[an]> Mike1???
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01:18 < hackbard> n8
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01:39 < tsa> n8
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01:57 < t[an]> have a gut night every one
01:57 < t[an]> :)
01:57 < t[an]> bye
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05:37 < d3mian> re
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05:40 < jonath[an]> re again
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05:54 < TechMav> morning all
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06:08 < TechMav> wb rxr
06:45 < huebi> moin
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08:15 < huebi> rocklinux.dyndns.org is down since 4h22 MEST - Never use an ISP without good reliability like Deutsche Telekom (T-offline)
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09:28 < huebi> rocklinux.dyndns.org has been down from 4h22 to 9h32 MEST. 
09:29 < huebi> rocklinux.dyndns.org has been down from 4h22 to 8h32 MEST. 
09:29 < huebi> Now it's online again.
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09:57 < anders> mrrrrning..
09:57 * anders had fun last night.. Installing OpenBSD3.0 in VMware..
10:01 < rxr> moin
10:01 < huebi> moin anders, moin rxr :-)
10:01 < th> hi all
10:02 * huebi is having fun getting a Blade 2000 for the sparc port.
10:02 < huebi> hi th
10:03 < anders> re rxr huebi 
10:03 < anders> and th :)
10:05 < anders> OpenBSD only have one console? No virtual ones?
10:06 < th> i wouldn't be surprised
10:06 < anders> hmm.. there are more running, but alt+F2 etc doesn't work..
10:06 < th> i see
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11:31 < jonath[an]> re
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12:02 < praenti> moin
12:02 < jonath[an]> hi praenti
12:02 < jonath[an]> good morning
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14:03 < anders> Gaaahh!!
14:03 < anders> $LEVEL_dx2 and ${LEVEL}_dx2 are NOT the same thing.. *sigh*
14:04 * anders bops himself on the head..
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14:05 < armijn> re
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14:28 < fake> hi
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14:46 < term_emu> re
15:04 < fake> > configure: error: a working C++ compiler is required
15:04 < fake> *arghl*
15:16 < fake> ah.
15:16 < fake> cp /usr/lib/gcc-lib/.../libstdc++* /usr/lib
15:16 < fake> voila.
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15:27 < tsa> hi
15:45 < fake> hi tsa
15:46 < tsa> hi fake
15:53 < fake> ...
15:55 < fake> damn lags today
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16:12 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: Do something for your health use ROCK Linux (http://www.rocklinux.org)
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16:15 < armijn> hrmpf...if we want 1.6 out for SANE, it will be tough...
16:15 < armijn> or at least without sparc support.
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16:30 < armijn> I was wondering...
16:30 < armijn> would it be cool to have some sort of configure like script that checks if your system is suitable to build ROCK on?
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16:40 < th> is there something wormy around trying to exploit ssh-stuff? i have strange connections on port 22 from remote-port ~1775
16:41 < th> tcp        0      0 segfault.boerde.de:ssh  210.95.141.82:1775      ESTABLISHED 
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16:42 < armijn> isn't that x forwarding?
16:43 -!- blindy|sleep is now known as blindcoder
16:43 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
16:43 < tsa> armijn: X isn't forwarded but tunneled in another ssh channel..thereford you probably won't see that in netstat...
16:44 < th> remote ports from my ssh-connections start at remote port 32000
16:44 < armijn> run an nmap?
16:44 < th> 210.95.141.82 has port 80 open seems to be chinese or kinda
16:44 < armijn> well, block it
16:45 < th> put it on my blacklist.
16:45 < th> just DROPing all packages now
16:47 < th> hmm i have no root-passwort set...
16:47 < th> strange
16:48 < th> but it's more secure i suppose
16:55 < fake> i'm out, c ya l8er
16:59 < armijn> heh
17:01 < tsa> feierabend.
17:01 < tsa> cu later.
17:01 < armijn> so, what is this "feierabend"?
17:02 < tsa> armijn: i'm done with work for today.
17:02 < tsa> cu.
17:02 < armijn> cu
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17:02 < armijn> I hate it that people switch to German on this channel all the time
17:02 < armijn> so, I can read it, but it's usually quite irritating
17:03 < huebi> armijn: What do you say in english for "feierabend"?
17:04 < armijn> hell, I don't even know what it means
17:04 < armijn> "free evening"?
17:04 < armijn> that you're done with work?
17:04 -!- rxr_fh is now known as rxr
17:04 < rxr> hi
17:05 < blindcoder> armijn> when you have "feierabend" then you stop working and go home
17:05 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy|anime
17:06 < armijn> blindcoder: yeah, but is it so much of a problem for people to say it in english?
17:06 < armijn> I mean, this isn't a german channel, or am I wrong here?
17:07 < huebi> end of workday = feierabend
17:07 < huebi> babelfish says ;>
17:07 < armijn> yeah, well, babelfish...
17:10 < armijn> huebi: still busy working?
17:12 < huebi> armijn: Yes. MySQL compiles and installes now automaticly. And is documented! Oracle is allmost finished.
17:12 < armijn> huebi: but this weekend you will update the changelog, right :)
17:13 < huebi> armijn: Yes I do.
17:13 < armijn> hihi, sorry for pushing :)
17:13 < huebi> armijn: It's OK
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17:58 < rxr> hm in NY ist mal wieder etwas explodiert ...
18:04 < huebi> rxr: What did happen?
18:04 < rxr> wissen die noch nicht soo genau - uergend ein 8 Stoeckiges Gebaeude ist zusammen gestuertzt. Vermutlich Explosion ...
18:05 < rxr> s/uer/ir/ ;-)
18:06 < huebi> hier in Frankfurt vor ein paar Tagen auch. ca 4 Verletzte. War ein abbruchreifes Fachwerkhaus.
18:07 < huebi> das macht Spass: 25MB/s beim Backup ueber das Netz :-)
18:09 < rxr> hm wohl nur ne "normale" gas-exposion ...
18:16 < snyke> rxr: link mal
18:16 < snyke> ich finds nirgends
18:16 < rxr> xawtv:cnn oder ntv ;-)
18:17 < rxr> vielleicht haben ja ein paar Azubies die Bude abgefackelt ;-)
18:19 < snyke> also n24.de steht nix cnn.com nix
18:23 < rxr> n24 now
18:27 < snyke> ah
18:27 < snyke> thx
18:28 < rxr> wasn't that interseting anyway ...
18:29 < rxr> I only wanted to watch the normal new on ntv and it was the first one ...
18:59 < snyke> k
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19:02 < Mike1> hi
19:15 < term_aweh> hoi mike
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19:19 < clifford> hi.
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19:19 < armijn> re
19:19 < Mike1> hi clifford 
19:20 < Mike1> re armijn 
19:20 < Mike1> hello term_aweh :)
19:20 < clifford> armijn: you don't need to patch gcc if you want to only build gcc (and not g++, f77, etc)
19:21 < armijn> clifford: now what?
19:21 < armijn> clifford: you mean my egcs64 patch?
19:21 < armijn> clifford: or better, the Debian patch?
19:21 < clifford> yup.
19:21 < armijn> well, it is needed, case closed
19:21 < armijn> it's not possible to build it without the patch
19:21 < clifford> armijn: I've actually had no time to read the egcs64 part of your sparc64 patch - I've just seen the mail discussion.
19:22 < armijn> ah
19:22 < armijn> well, egcs64 is just needed to compile the kernel, which is  in C :)
19:22 < clifford> armijn: you can call make with 'LANGUAGES="c"' ..
19:23 < armijn> yeah, well, this was easier, because this patch was already there
19:23 < clifford> that disables the other frontends and only builds the rtl backend and the C frontend.
19:23 < armijn> and besides, egcs64 is not nicely autoconfiscated...
19:23 < armijn> it's a mess
19:23 < clifford> armijn: just wanted to let you know .. no need to change anything in your patch.
19:23 < armijn> pfew
19:24 < armijn> sorry, I'm a bit grumpy today
19:24 < clifford> armijn: no problem .. :-)
19:24 < armijn> the egcs64 package is not a nice one...
19:24 * clifford knows such days ..
19:24 < armijn> oh yeah...
19:25 < clifford> armijn: I need some time to include the patch in 1.7 ...
19:25 < armijn> clifford: I asked Ben Collins (sparc port, Debian) some more stuff
19:26 < armijn> forwarding his response to you now
19:26 < armijn> clifford: I'm concentrating on 1.5.14 now...
19:26 < clifford> great. (I'm establishing my imap thru ssh tunnel.)
19:26 < armijn> but so far, everything is building fine :)
19:26 < armijn> a few packages are failing, but I expected them to fail
19:27 < clifford> yes - I know. But I think when the packages are build on intel fine, 1.7 might be much easier for porting ..
19:29 * clifford released snapshot 1.7.0-DEV-200204251915.
19:29 < armijn> clifford: if the scripts are portable...
19:29 < armijn> I first want stuff to be fixed on 1.5
19:29 < armijn> I think we've had the dirtiest part now...
19:29 < clifford> armijn: ad mail from Ben Collins: Good to know that.
19:29 < armijn> except we still need to do the bootloader *shrug*
19:30 < clifford> rxr: are you listening?
19:30 < armijn> clifford: ehr, ad? that must be a typo :)
19:31 < clifford> armijn: Ad. - Latin abriviation. Means something like regarding ..
19:31 < clifford> armijn: don't ask me what the latin long form is ..  :-)
19:31 < armijn> ah, ok
19:31 < armijn> latin is a loooong time ago for me :)
19:32 < clifford> armijn: like "i.e." (also latin from "it est"). But "Ad." is not so popular today ..
19:33 < clifford> rxr: are you here?
19:33 < armijn> ok, ok, I get the point
19:33 < clifford>  ____  __  ______    _ _ _ 
19:33 < clifford> |  _ \ \ \/ /  _ \  | | | |
19:33 < clifford> | |_) | \  /| |_) | | | | |
19:33 < clifford> |  _ <  /  \|  _ <  |_|_|_|
19:33 < clifford> |_| \_\/_/\_\_| \_\ (_|_|_)
19:33 < armijn> but there's still another thing regarding linking that goes wrong somewhere
19:34 < armijn> in 1.5, I built sh-utils in stage 1
19:35 < armijn> I then removed the symlink to lybcrypt on my host system (Debian)
19:35 < armijn> and rebuilt sh-utils
19:35 < armijn> then su wasn't linked to libcrypt anymore
19:35 < armijn> even though the -L flag was set (in the gcc-specs of the gcc-wrapper)
19:35 < armijn> -L dist/usr/lib, etc.
19:36 < armijn> and that really puzzled me
19:36 < clifford> armijn: that gcc-specs shouldn't be used because it has shown to break a lot of stuff ..
19:37 < clifford> that's why we are building a "pseud cross-compiler" in 1.7 which is only using includes and libs from our target root environment ..
19:38 < clifford> armijn: the line 'export GCC_WRAPPER_SPECS="$base/lib/gcc-specs"' in Build-Pkg should be commented out in 1.5.12 ..
19:38 < armijn> aaah, just in 1.5.12?
19:38 < armijn> was it fixed in 1.5.13/14?
19:38 * armijn using 1.5.12 sources
19:38 < clifford> (looks like rene is not reading this at the moment.)
19:39 < clifford> armijn: I don't know (ask huebi) - but I don't think that it can be easily "fixed" because gcc has shown to not like that king od specs-hacking very much.
19:40 < clifford> that's why that has been entirely replaced in 1.7 with the pseudo cross-compiler.
19:40 < armijn> hmm, but is there a way to fix it?
19:41 < armijn> in ./scripts/Build-Pkg perhaps?
19:41 < clifford> armijn: maybe - I didn't found one ..
19:42 < armijn> hmm...so, 1.5.* is broken in that respect
19:43 < clifford> not broken - it's just missing a feature.
19:43 < clifford> (if you call the behavior "broken" - all ROCK versions before 1.7 are broken)
19:43 < armijn> well, they are :)
19:46 < clifford> armijn: it has always be said that building ROCK is only safe if the host system is ROCK again ..
19:46 < armijn> http://www1.rocklinux.org/releases/
19:46 < armijn> 403: forbidden
19:46 < clifford> seams like the host doesn't allow autoindex ...
19:47 < armijn> and www2 hasn't been updated for a week :(
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19:48 < clifford> armijn: I will talk with chris again about www1 and www2 ...
19:48 * clifford has to go home now ..
19:49 < armijn> heh, maybe better run a cronjbo ;-)
19:49 < armijn> yeah, I'm going into town...buy birthday present
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19:49 < clifford> armijn: he is saying that he runs a cronjob...
19:49 < clifford> cu./
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19:50 < armijn> clifford: but to mail chris ;-)
19:50 < armijn> ah well, am off
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19:54 < rxr> clifford_away: erm now I'm back ... :-(
19:58 < rxr> doesn s.o. know a tool to make X11 screenshots except GIMP ?
20:05 -!- blindy|anime is now known as blindcoder
20:05 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
20:10 < snyke> er blindcoder 
20:10 < snyke> re
20:15 * blindcoder now getting all the megatokyo comic-strips ;)(
20:15 < blindcoder> ;)
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20:33 < rxr> hm now curl is screwed up here, too ...
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20:40 < holyolli> moin
20:41 < rxr> holyolli: hi
20:41 < holyolli> hi rxr
20:50 < rxr> I need to replace NFS with s.th. ...
20:51 < holyolli> "s.th."?
20:51 < rxr> intermezzo maybe ...
20:52 < SMP> *yuck*
20:52 < rxr> SMP: ??
20:52 < holyolli> ah
20:52 < SMP> intermezzo is far from being a replacement for NFS
20:52 < holyolli> i also thinked about intermezzo...but i havent heard anything about stability 
20:53 < holyolli> SMP: have you tried it?
20:53 < SMP> nope
20:53 < holyolli> SMP: moin, btw ;)
20:53 < rxr> The Presto / Intersync stuff seems to be quite unfinished ...
20:53 < SMP> but at least you know _why_ NFS sucks so bad
20:53 < rxr> I tried Coda - but it is damn old +complex +and dog slow ...
20:53 < SMP> the suckage of Intermezzo has yet to be determined ;>
20:54 < holyolli> *g*
20:54 < rxr> SMP: sure everything *sucks* ...
20:54 < rxr> SMP: but Intermezzo would be nice for disconnected laptop use and might solve the NFS performace problems I have ...
20:54 < SMP> that's a fundamental principle of systems administration ;)
20:55 < SMP> rxr: yes. it might as well shredder your harddisk ;)
20:55 < holyolli> does anybody then know a practicable cluster-fs solution?
20:55 < rxr> SMP: I'm not going to use it on my production systems ...
20:56 < holyolli> and...no..i don't want fibrechannel... ;)
20:57 < SMP> holyolli: depends on what exactly you need. do you need to have your data centralized or distributed? LAN or WAN? read-write or read-only? synchronized within what timeframe?
20:57 < SMP> if data should be distributed, need it be redundant?
20:58 < holyolli> well... simply two fileservers connected directly and to a lan, who hold webserver data
20:58 < holyolli> there have to be any kind of failover of both nodes
20:59 < holyolli> so, if one machine crashes, the webservers (=clients for the fileservers) have to work on
20:59 < SMP> well yes you can failover that the HACMP way :>
20:59 < holyolli> ?
20:59 < SMP> kill the dead machine, fsck shared storage, mount read-write, take over NFS server IP
21:00 < holyolli> something like this kimberlite-clustersystem?
21:01 < SMP> oh they really did it!
21:01 < SMP> well, yes
21:01 < holyolli> but do you know which (not extremly expensive) scsi-controller can manage two controllers on one bus?
21:02 < holyolli> i only heart of these mylex extremeraids
21:02 < SMP> you only need an external RAID with two host buses. no special support on your host controllers
21:02 < SMP> this is even available for IDE-to-SCSI RAIDs
21:03 < SMP> starts at maybe 10k EUR, I'd say, for a decent array :>>
21:03 < holyolli> *hm*
21:04 < SMP> you could also throw money at NetApp *g*
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21:04 < tsa> re
21:04 < holyolli> huhu tesa
21:05 < tsa> moin.
21:08 < huebi> Moiin!
21:08 < holyolli> huhu huebi
21:09 < huebi> hi holyolli 
21:09 * SMP waves to huebi 
21:09 < huebi> huhu SMP 
21:09 < huebi> time shred -vz /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc
21:09 < huebi> real611m56.383s
21:09 < huebi> user3m35.460s
21:09 < huebi> sys27m51.020s
21:10 < huebi> SMP: This was the 4th one
21:10 < SMP> cool ;)
21:10 < tsa> huebi: what are you doing?
21:11 < huebi> shred is kool. It dumps 25 times random numbers to a file. MIL-Specs need only 14 times.
21:12 < SMP> but that's not for secret data ;p
21:13 < tsa> huebi: are you just playing with shred or do you have to destroy sensitive data?
21:15 < huebi> that were internal informations about T-systems Nova GmbH
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21:16 < Mike1> re
21:17 < huebi> SMP: Why does it not work for secret data?
21:17 < huebi> hi Mike1 
21:18 < Mike1> hi huebi 
21:21 < SMP> huebi: AFAIK .mil people don't overwrite secret or top secret data, but instead melt the discs and then shred them to powder
21:21 < holyolli> *g*
21:22 < SMP> (and still handle the powder as classified ;>)
21:28 < huebi> *LOOOL* I remember when I was 12 Years old I visited  a military installation here in Germany. There I found an empty used "Patronenhuelse" which was squeezed by a Tank. I was not allowed to take this absolutly unusable part of amunition with me because it still _was_ amunition. In that moment I decided not to do my military services. Only idiots there! The officer who told me to give him back the crap was an "Oberstleutnant"
21:31 < tsa> hehe
21:31 < huebi> Ok now the four disks are empty. I'll send them tomorrow
21:33 < tsa> hm....wenn du zu viele platten haben solltest, nehm ich wohl auch nen paar ;)
21:33 < holyolli> <-- sucht noch ne alpha
21:33 < holyolli> ;)
21:34 < huebi> holyolli: Ripclaw fragen ;>
21:34 < tsa> hm....ob der wohl auch atm-uplinks besorgen kann? ;-)
21:34 < huebi> holyolli: "Drucker" sind billiger ;>
21:34 < holyolli> hehehe
21:34 < holyolli> jo
21:35 < holyolli> es gehen nur nicht immer soo viele firmen in konkurs, die preiswert drucker abgeben ;)
21:35 < huebi> Cray Drucker .... *traeum*
21:35 < holyolli> *lol*
21:36 < huebi> erst 6 Monate alt und schon druckt er nicht mehr..
21:36 < huebi> deshalb nur "fuffschig Mack"
21:37 < huebi> aber selber abholen
21:38 * holyolli würd wohl wirklich weit für so einen drucker fahren ;)
21:38 < huebi> holyolli: maximal 20000km...
21:38 < holyolli> *g* jo
21:38 < SMP> tsa: who wants ATM? ;)
21:39 < holyolli> SMP: for some buck per month...?
21:39 < holyolli> bucks even
21:39 < SMP> DSL is basically ATM ;>
21:40 < SMP> Telekom sells this explicitly. T-ATM DSL up to 6 Mbit
21:40 < SMP> if you need more - why use ATM?
21:40 < tsa> hm... 2.3mbit atm would be nice to have at home...
21:41 < holyolli> tsa: qsc?
21:41 < tsa> holyolli: nee.....kein dsl.
21:41 < SMP> tsa: buy T-ATM DSL ..
21:41 < holyolli> tsa: why not?
21:41 < tsa> SMP: hm....who will pay? ;)
21:41 < holyolli> tsa: due to the fact that this is s-dsl you don't have such bad ping-times?
21:42 < huebi> tsa: telia in sweden offers 10MBit for 60EUR/month but _only_ 100GB transfer
21:42 < huebi> SDSL
21:42 < tsa> holyolli: hm......das ist eher ne sache mit interleaving/fastpath ..
21:42 < holyolli> <-- knows that *grummel*
21:42 < holyolli> .oO(hätte doch da wohnen bleiben sollen.. ;)
21:42 < tsa> huebi: hm....zeit zum auswandern..
21:43 < holyolli> huebi: but telia has some problems with some numbers in red.. ;-)
21:43 < huebi> tsa: NO! Time to kick ass the Teledummies
21:43 < SMP> 100GB is plenty for at home :>
21:43 < tsa> SMP: sure....i guess 10gb would be sufficient, too..
21:44 < huebi> SMP: Still time to sleep if I download moviez
21:44 < holyolli> but the real problem is, that you only get this stuff with a swedish "personnummer"... at its really hard to get ;)
21:45 < holyolli> <-- starts a new build-all
21:46 < tsa> <-- currently running build-nothing
21:46 < tsa> ;-)
21:46 -!- hackbard [~hackbard@p50807646.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:46 < tsa> hi hackbard
21:46 < holyolli> hi hackbard
21:46 < hackbard> hi
21:46 < Mike1> hi Franky boy
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21:53 -!- jonath[an] [~demian@208.165.55.137] has joined #rocklinux
21:53 < jonath[an]> hi
21:53 < holyolli> hi jonath[an]
21:55 < Mike1> hello jonath[an] 
21:57 < jonath[an]> hola Miguel
21:57 < jonath[an]> Pasa algo con nemesis?
21:57 < Mike1> jonath[an] si le cambie el disco duro por uno mas grande
21:57 < Mike1> tranqui respalde tus datos
21:57 < jonath[an]> ahhh ya veo, con razon
21:58 < Mike1> dame un ratito y te habilito todo de nuevo
21:58 < jonath[an]> no eran tan importantes, pero como se me borro el contenido de mi cuenta aqui, tenia que restaurar cosas
21:58 < jonath[an]> y algunas de ellas estaba en el home de nemesis
22:00 < Mike1> jonath[an] yo no borre tus datos
22:00 < Mike1> estan en mi respaldo traqnuilo
22:00 < Mike1> jonath[an] cuando tienes vacaciones?
22:00 < jonath[an]> umm, como hasta Julio
22:00 < jonath[an]> a inicios
22:00 < jonath[an]> por?
22:01 < Mike1> mmm esque queria ver si podes irte 2 semanas a venezuela para hacer un trabajo de hack solutions
22:01 < Mike1> pero es antes de julio
22:02 < jonath[an]> umm
22:02 < jonath[an]> quien sabe
22:02 < jonath[an]> nos estamos atrasando mucho en una materia
22:02 < jonath[an]> y creo que si terminamos antitos o a inicios de julio
22:03 < jonath[an]> pero no estoy seguro
22:04 < Mike1> igual es para dentro de 3 semanas asi que creo que mejor no te enredo con ese proyecto
22:04 < jonath[an]> jeje, si
22:05 < Mike1> mom
22:05 < jonath[an]> ok
22:07 < tsa> hm.....que es "enredar"?
22:07 < Mike1> tsa enredar = mess
22:07 < Mike1> confuse also
22:07 < tsa> entiendo...gracias.
22:08 < Mike1> tsa tu hablas espanol?
22:08 < tsa> Mike1: si, poquito..
22:08 < Mike1> tsa eso no lo sabia, que bien
22:08 < holyolli> .oO(he tries..)
22:08 < jonath[an]> ohhh
22:08 < tsa> pero ya olvide mucho..
22:08 < jonath[an]> but it sounds fine
22:09 < jonath[an]> :o
22:09 < tsa> ;)
22:09 < Mike1> tsa vivias en algun lugar dond ehablan espanol?
22:10 < holyolli> no es dificil de olvidar... ;)
22:10 < tsa> Mike1: no....pero mi tio veve en guatemala y ya visite a muchos lugares en centro america.
22:10 < jonath[an]> holyolli: ohh! :0
22:10 < tsa> s/veve/vive/
22:11 < Mike1> tsa deberias venir a visitarnos en Costa Rica
22:11 < Mike1> holyolli tu tambien hablas espanol?
22:11 < jonath[an]> sure
22:11 < tsa> Mike1: con mucho gusto...
22:11 < holyolli> Mike1: tambien un muy poco.. ;)
22:11 < Mike1> holyolli que bien
22:11 < jonath[an]> :)
22:11 < Mike1> alguien mas entiende lo que estamos hablando? *g
22:12 < jonath[an]> esden 
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22:12 < jonath[an]> esden: estas ahi?
22:12 < tsa> Mike1: hehe..
22:13 < jonath[an]> esden knows spanish, i understand that his mom is a spanish teacher
22:13 < Mike1> jonath[an] yes
22:13 < rxr> SMP: I just watched Detained - it isn't as bad as you mentioned ;-)
22:14 * holyolli only know a little bit, because my parents can both speak spanish (but they failed at me.. ;_)
22:14 < jonath[an]> :P
22:19 < jonath[an]> well, noew i have to go classes
22:19 < jonath[an]> s/noew/now
22:19 < jonath[an]> cu in some minutes guys
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22:19 < holyolli> cu jonath[an]
22:19 < tsa> cu jonath[away]
22:31 < SMP> rxr: well, we should then (once more) agree to disagree ;)
22:31 < rxr> SMP: ;-)
22:34 < rxr> SMP: but in general this series is quite good. When I first heard of the idea of this pre Star Track series I though: "Urgh what shit should this become" ...
22:35 < snyke> good night
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22:40 < holyolli> mv holyolli /dev/bed
22:40 < holyolli> cu!
22:40 < tsa> cu holyolli
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22:43 < rxr> SMP: Should I remove fltk from 1.7 sf cvs? It is in Cliffs extra2 and the sf one is "maintained" by G.Bevin gbevin@theleaf.be
22:43 < tsa> hi rxr
22:43 < tsa> what is fltk?
22:43 < SMP> why ask me? talk to Geert ...
22:44 < rxr> tsa: a GUI toolkit ...
22:44 < SMP> tsa: the Fast Light GUI Toolkit
22:44 < SMP> quite nice, IMHO
22:44 < rxr> SMP: I think he is not that interested in ROCK anymore ...
22:45 < tsa> SMP: i've sent several mails to geert and never got a reply...
22:45 < tsa> frustrating.
22:45 < huebi> rxr: Never erase somthing you don't maintain yourself. First ask the maintainer what to do!
22:45 < SMP> hmm. Geert used to come around here 
22:46 < rxr> huebi: Geert has done Gentoo in the last time, all his packages are known to be unmaintained ...
22:46 < huebi> rxr: An d make shure you have an answer from the maintainer. 
22:46 < tsa> hm....when he shows up here again, please teill him he should send a mail to the list that he does no longer maintain his packages and that they should be taken over by somebody else..
22:46 < huebi> rxr: Never erase!
22:46 < tsa> ack.
22:47 < rxr> huebi: but know the package would give a build error, because it exists twice ...
22:47 < tsa> better add an empty file "now-in-extra(1|2)" to cvs
22:47 < rxr> huebi: if CVS moves would be clener we could just move the failing packages into a need-fixing dir ...
22:47 < huebi> rxr: Thats why I have my own cvs
22:48 < huebi> or at least one reason...
22:48 < SMP> rxr: hmm. kick it out of INDEX.sf I'd say
22:49 < huebi> SMP: good idea. So it is just not used and not erased.
22:49 < rxr> tsa: I would like to cleanup the categories slightly. Currently the singular and plurals are mixed. Have you an idea which form would be nice? (library <-> libraries; tool <-> tools ???)
22:50 < tsa> libraries, tools.
22:51 < rxr> hm
22:51 < SMP> *sigh* anyone here have Fightclub downloadable? ;)
22:52 < huebi> SMP: Do you want it tomorrow?
22:52 < SMP> any time would be great ;)
22:52 < tsa> hm....anybody familiar with python?
22:53 < hackbard> i like the soundtrack :-D
22:55 < huebi> YES! dhcpd and bind are up and working..
22:55 < tsa> hehe
22:56 < huebi> now I still have to forbid bind to serve the outside ;-)
22:57 < tsa> listen-on { <ip-address-of-internal-interface> };
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23:03 < Mike1> SMP i have it but i took it home last night on the only cd i could upload it to u tomorrow if u wish
23:06 < rxr> erm I just update GqView from 0.12.0 to 1.1.3 ...
23:06 < tsa> hehehe
23:07 < rxr> hm. no 1.0.2 is the stable version - but this is a big version jump too ...
23:09 < huebi> The documentation of bind and dhcpd sucks a little bit 
23:09 < huebi> thank you tsa :-)
23:10 < tsa> no problem ;)
23:11 < huebi> The changes in the new versions are not so easy to find and some things are sipmly wrong. Good for selling service contracts ;>
23:11 < tsa> hehe
23:12 -!- h0h0 [~hoho@dhcp024-209-107-204.woh.rr.com] has joined #rocklinux
23:13 < huebi> I want to change the rock scripts to sendmail.cf language: $&*{)\ \\ $# "|,<0x2<? ! <- new for Build-All ;-)
23:14 < huebi> Who wants to have a service contract?
23:14 < huebi> hehe
23:14 < tsa> sure.
23:14 < huebi> $$$ !!
23:14 < tsa> hehehe
23:14 -!- ripclaw [~ripclaw@p50816E65.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
23:14 < tsa> moin ripclaw
23:15 < huebi> hi ripclaw 
23:15 < ripclaw> hi leuts
23:15 < huebi> ripclaw: I want to change the rock scripts to sendmail.cf language: $&*{)\ \\ $# "|,<0x2<? ! <- new for Build-All ;-)
23:15 < ripclaw> bin dazu gekommen bluemoon wieder zu booten
23:15 < huebi> do you also want  a service contract?
23:16 < ripclaw> huebi:  i will change the package format and parts of the kernel to runtime interpreted strings.
23:16 < ripclaw> do you need consultancy ?
23:16 < huebi> ripclaw: no but licence fees for my good idea for changing something ;-)))
23:16 < ripclaw> (i mean random strings turned to assembly...
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23:17 < ripclaw> i think that changing something is subject to prior art.
23:17 < ripclaw> (see bible - and he took adams bone and made eve.
23:17 < ripclaw> god has prior art on change and error.)
23:17 < huebi> cause I told him IIRC
23:17 < ripclaw> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGHHH!
23:18 < ripclaw> huebi: what did you tell me ?
23:18 < ripclaw> my mail is suffering !
23:18 < huebi> Pay now!
23:18 < ripclaw> no.
23:18 < huebi> why
23:18 < ripclaw> i invented patents ?
23:18 < ripclaw> >:-)
23:18 < huebi> (another one like god. Does also not pay)
23:19 < Mike1> cu
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23:19 < ripclaw> btw, do you already know the one where stallman, thorvalds and knuth meet? 
23:19 < huebi> ripclaw: tel faster, please
23:20 < ripclaw> ok, its SAGE time again, all the great codewringers and bookwriters show up.
23:20 < ripclaw> btw: ou have new mail (5444 messages, 57485550 bytes total
23:20 < ripclaw> thorvalds meets knuth and stallman near the entrance.
23:21 < ripclaw> stallman: I had a great encounter last night !
23:21 < ripclaw> stallman: GOD told me i wrote the best editor of all, he uses emacs for creation scripts.
23:22 < ripclaw> thorwalds: shutup, richard - i had him visit me personally and gratulate me on the great writing and design of the linux kernel
23:22 < ripclaw> he sent me a group of young angel-strippers, too.
23:22 < ripclaw> and....
23:22 < ripclaw> .
23:22 < ripclaw> .
23:23 < ripclaw> knuth: what the hell you accuse me i have done ? ididn`t talk to richard, and didn`t visit linus !
23:23 < ripclaw> :-)
23:23 < rxr> ;-)
23:23 < tsa> hehe
23:24 < huebi> hehe
23:24 < ripclaw> :-)
23:24 < ripclaw> reminded me of our discussion.,
23:43 < inode> does kde need x to run under fbr?
23:43 < inode> can kde run under bfr?
23:44 < ripclaw> fbr / bfr ?????
23:44 * ripclaw tries to analyze inodes
23:44 < jonath[away]> back ppl
23:45 < inode> frarebuffer
23:45 < jonath[away]> hi ripclaw 
23:45 < inode> s/frarebuffer/framebuffer
23:45 -!- jonath[away] is now known as jonath[an]
23:45 < ripclaw> hi jonath. when you are here, why are you away ?
23:46 < ripclaw> inode: no. framebuffer is optional.
23:46 < jonath[an]> i was away before, i was in classes
23:46 < ripclaw> kde/gnome/cde are only desktop environments,
23:46 < jonath[an]> and im here 2 months ago
23:46 < ripclaw> that is glorified enhancements to windowmanagers.
23:46 < ripclaw> so, they use x and x may use DRI and framebuffer if it likes.
23:47 < ripclaw> ok. :-)
23:47 < jonath[an]> Mike1?, how long has passed since he left channel?
23:48 < ripclaw> about 10 minutes
23:49 < jonath[an]> thnx ripclaw !
23:49 < inode> i did find some good info :   http://dot.kde.org/976193346/976196493/976205103/
23:50 < jonath[an]> brb
23:59 < jonath[an]> i have to go
23:59 < jonath[an]> cya soon guys
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