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--- Log opened Thu Apr 25 00:00:09 2002 --- Day changed Thu Apr 25 2002 00:02 -!- _wschlich [~wschlich@pD955CB0A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:15 < rxr> das s.o. uses GMX here? - They seem to convert the mails to Windows line-breaking since an hour which destroys the mails 00:21 < Mike1> cu 00:21 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit ("[BX] Occifer, take me drunk, I'm home") 00:21 < rxr> ah - no it was procmail - sorry ... 00:30 -!- clifford_away [~clifford@62.46.5.62] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00:33 < th> hat hier zufaellig jemand ein fax-geraet zur hand? 00:33 < d3miaway> re 00:33 -!- d3miaway is now known as jonath[an] 00:33 < jonath[an]> Mike1??? 00:39 -!- clifford_away [~clifford@M110P024.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 00:50 -!- jonath[an] [~demian@208.165.55.137] has quit ("Read error: 5 + 2 = -4 (Connection reset by third grade math)") 01:03 -!- Netsplit carter.openprojects.net <-> irc.openprojects.net quits: praenti_ZzZ, huebi, tsa, clifford_away, surprise, rxr, inode, skaar, SMP 01:05 -!- Netsplit over, joins: rxr 01:05 -!- Netsplit over, joins: clifford_away, inode, tsa, praenti_ZzZ, SMP, huebi, surprise, skaar 01:05 -!- SMP [stefanp@world.WRonline.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:05 -!- huebi [huebi@rocklinux.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:06 -!- SMP_ [stefanp@world.WRonline.de] has joined #rocklinux 01:06 -!- huebi [huebi@rocklinux.de] has joined #rocklinux 01:09 -!- Netsplit over, joins: huebi, inode, tsa, praenti_ZzZ, surprise, skaar 01:13 -!- SMP_ is now known as SMP 01:14 -!- Netsplit carter.openprojects.net <-> irc.openprojects.net quits: praenti_ZzZ, huebi, tsa, surprise, inode, skaar 01:15 -!- Netsplit over, joins: huebi 01:18 < hackbard> n8 01:18 -!- hackbard [~hackbard@p50807C1C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 01:20 -!- skaar [~skaar@pix-fw.wan.aol.com] has joined #rocklinux 01:25 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082B3E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:27 -!- inode [~inode@cs666986-234.satx.rr.com] has joined #rocklinux 01:27 -!- praenti_1zZ [mo1032@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 01:27 -!- surprise [kdlcjc@greencard.inder.eu.org] has joined #rocklinux 01:39 < tsa> n8 01:39 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082B3E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 01:56 -!- t[an] [~demian@208.165.55.137] has joined #rocklinux 01:57 < t[an]> have a gut night every one 01:57 < t[an]> :) 01:57 < t[an]> bye 02:35 -!- th [th@delta.boerde.de] has quit ("n8") 04:31 -!- Netsplit carter.openprojects.net <-> irc.openprojects.net quits: clifford_away, SMP 04:31 -!- Netsplit over, joins: SMP, clifford_away 05:18 -!- t[an] [~demian@208.165.55.137] has quit ("[BX] Do you... BitchX?") 05:37 -!- d3mian [~demian@208.165.55.137] has joined #rocklinux 05:37 < d3mian> re 05:38 -!- d3mian [~demian@208.165.55.137] has quit (Client Quit) 05:40 -!- jonath[an] [~demian@208.165.55.137] has joined #rocklinux 05:40 < jonath[an]> re again 05:41 -!- jonath[an] [~demian@208.165.55.137] has quit (Client Quit) 05:48 -!- Netsplit carter.openprojects.net <-> irc.openprojects.net quits: SMP 05:49 -!- Netsplit over, joins: SMP 05:53 -!- TechMav [~JustMe@pcp937258pcs.cstltn01.in.comcast.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:54 < TechMav> morning all 06:05 -!- rxr [~rene@port-213-20-228-73.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06:07 -!- rxr [~rene@port-213-20-128-139.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 06:08 < TechMav> wb rxr 06:45 < huebi> moin 07:20 -!- TechMav [~JustMe@pcp937258pcs.cstltn01.in.comcast.net] has quit ("Read error: Connection reset by peer") 08:15 < huebi> rocklinux.dyndns.org is down since 4h22 MEST - Never use an ISP without good reliability like Deutsche Telekom (T-offline) 08:38 -!- clifford_away [~clifford@M110P024.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08:40 -!- martin_ [~martin@pD9517C67.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 08:40 -!- clifford_away [~clifford@62.46.7.97] has joined #rocklinux 08:41 -!- martin_ [~martin@pD9517C67.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 09:28 < huebi> rocklinux.dyndns.org has been down from 4h22 to 9h32 MEST. 09:29 < huebi> rocklinux.dyndns.org has been down from 4h22 to 8h32 MEST. 09:29 < huebi> Now it's online again. 09:31 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pc19.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:46 -!- th [th@delta.boerde.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:55 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pc19.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit ("leaving") 09:57 -!- anders [~guest@imhotep.hursley.ibm.com] has joined #rocklinux 09:57 < anders> mrrrrning.. 09:57 * anders had fun last night.. Installing OpenBSD3.0 in VMware.. 10:01 < rxr> moin 10:01 < huebi> moin anders, moin rxr :-) 10:01 < th> hi all 10:02 * huebi is having fun getting a Blade 2000 for the sparc port. 10:02 < huebi> hi th 10:03 < anders> re rxr huebi 10:03 < anders> and th :) 10:05 < anders> OpenBSD only have one console? No virtual ones? 10:06 < th> i wouldn't be surprised 10:06 < anders> hmm.. there are more running, but alt+F2 etc doesn't work.. 10:06 < th> i see 11:05 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pc19.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #rocklinux 11:15 -!- rxr is now known as rxr_fh 11:25 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pc19.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit ("leaving") 11:27 -!- jonath[an] [~jvargas@208.165.55.137] has joined #rocklinux 11:31 < jonath[an]> re 12:02 -!- praenti_1zZ is now known as praenti 12:02 < praenti> moin 12:02 < jonath[an]> hi praenti 12:02 < jonath[an]> good morning 12:29 -!- jonath[an] [~jvargas@208.165.55.137] has quit ("< Listen The Silence... And The Voices Around It >") 14:03 < anders> Gaaahh!! 14:03 < anders> $LEVEL_dx2 and ${LEVEL}_dx2 are NOT the same thing.. *sigh* 14:04 * anders bops himself on the head.. 14:05 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has joined #rocklinux 14:05 < armijn> re 14:23 -!- anders [~guest@imhotep.hursley.ibm.com] has quit ("brb...") 14:28 < fake> hi 14:44 -!- term_emu [~pm@beaufort.wyzant.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:46 < term_emu> re 15:04 < fake> > configure: error: a working C++ compiler is required 15:04 < fake> *arghl* 15:16 < fake> ah. 15:16 < fake> cp /usr/lib/gcc-lib/.../libstdc++* /usr/lib 15:16 < fake> voila. 15:25 -!- tsa [~tsa@sec-01.bi.devcon.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:27 < tsa> hi 15:45 < fake> hi tsa 15:46 < tsa> hi fake 15:53 < fake> ... 15:55 < fake> damn lags today 15:59 -!- term_emu is now known as term_aweh 16:12 -!- esden_ [weasel@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:12 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: Do something for your health use ROCK Linux (https://www.rocklinux.org) 16:12 -!- Topic set by ChanServ [Mon Apr 15 21:06:46 2002] 16:12 (Users #rocklinux) 16:12 [ _wschlich ] [ clifford_away] [ fake ] [ praenti] [ SMP ] [ th ] 16:12 [ armijn ] [ esden ] [ huebi] [ rxr_fh ] [ surprise ] [ tsa] 16:12 [ blindy|sleep] [ esden_ ] [ inode] [ skaar ] [ term_aweh] 16:12 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 17 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal] 16:12 -!- esden [weasel@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:12 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Mon Apr 1 00:17:34 2002 16:12 -!- Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 21 secs 16:12 -!- praenti_ [mo1032@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:15 < armijn> hrmpf...if we want 1.6 out for SANE, it will be tough... 16:15 < armijn> or at least without sparc support. 16:24 -!- praenti [mo1032@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:30 < armijn> I was wondering... 16:30 < armijn> would it be cool to have some sort of configure like script that checks if your system is suitable to build ROCK on? 16:32 -!- clifford_away [~clifford@62.46.7.97] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16:40 < th> is there something wormy around trying to exploit ssh-stuff? i have strange connections on port 22 from remote-port ~1775 16:41 < th> tcp 0 0 segfault.boerde.de:ssh 210.95.141.82:1775 ESTABLISHED 16:42 -!- clifford_away [~clifford@62.46.0.104] has joined #rocklinux 16:42 < armijn> isn't that x forwarding? 16:43 -!- blindy|sleep is now known as blindcoder 16:43 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi 16:43 < tsa> armijn: X isn't forwarded but tunneled in another ssh channel..thereford you probably won't see that in netstat... 16:44 < th> remote ports from my ssh-connections start at remote port 32000 16:44 < armijn> run an nmap? 16:44 < th> 210.95.141.82 has port 80 open seems to be chinese or kinda 16:44 < armijn> well, block it 16:45 < th> put it on my blacklist. 16:45 < th> just DROPing all packages now 16:47 < th> hmm i have no root-passwort set... 16:47 < th> strange 16:48 < th> but it's more secure i suppose 16:55 < fake> i'm out, c ya l8er 16:59 < armijn> heh 17:01 < tsa> feierabend. 17:01 < tsa> cu later. 17:01 < armijn> so, what is this "feierabend"? 17:02 < tsa> armijn: i'm done with work for today. 17:02 < tsa> cu. 17:02 < armijn> cu 17:02 -!- tsa [~tsa@sec-01.bi.devcon.net] has quit ("wech.") 17:02 < armijn> I hate it that people switch to German on this channel all the time 17:02 < armijn> so, I can read it, but it's usually quite irritating 17:03 < huebi> armijn: What do you say in english for "feierabend"? 17:04 < armijn> hell, I don't even know what it means 17:04 < armijn> "free evening"? 17:04 < armijn> that you're done with work? 17:04 -!- rxr_fh is now known as rxr 17:04 < rxr> hi 17:05 < blindcoder> armijn> when you have "feierabend" then you stop working and go home 17:05 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy|anime 17:06 < armijn> blindcoder: yeah, but is it so much of a problem for people to say it in english? 17:06 < armijn> I mean, this isn't a german channel, or am I wrong here? 17:07 < huebi> end of workday = feierabend 17:07 < huebi> babelfish says ;> 17:07 < armijn> yeah, well, babelfish... 17:10 < armijn> huebi: still busy working? 17:12 < huebi> armijn: Yes. MySQL compiles and installes now automaticly. And is documented! Oracle is allmost finished. 17:12 < armijn> huebi: but this weekend you will update the changelog, right :) 17:13 < huebi> armijn: Yes I do. 17:13 < armijn> hihi, sorry for pushing :) 17:13 < huebi> armijn: It's OK 17:20 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has left #rocklinux () 17:56 -!- esden [weasel@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:56 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: Do something for your health use ROCK Linux (https://www.rocklinux.org) 17:56 -!- Topic set by ChanServ [Mon Apr 15 21:06:46 2002] 17:56 (Users #rocklinux) 17:56 [ _wschlich ] [ esden] [ inode ] [ skaar] [ surprise ] 17:56 [ blindy|anime ] [ fake ] [ praenti] [ SMP ] [ term_aweh] 17:56 [ clifford_away] [ huebi] [ rxr ] [ snyke] [ th ] 17:56 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 15 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] 17:56 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Mon Apr 1 00:17:34 2002 17:56 -!- Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 6 secs 17:58 < rxr> hm in NY ist mal wieder etwas explodiert ... 18:04 < huebi> rxr: What did happen? 18:04 < rxr> wissen die noch nicht soo genau - uergend ein 8 Stoeckiges Gebaeude ist zusammen gestuertzt. Vermutlich Explosion ... 18:05 < rxr> s/uer/ir/ ;-) 18:06 < huebi> hier in Frankfurt vor ein paar Tagen auch. ca 4 Verletzte. War ein abbruchreifes Fachwerkhaus. 18:07 < huebi> das macht Spass: 25MB/s beim Backup ueber das Netz :-) 18:09 < rxr> hm wohl nur ne "normale" gas-exposion ... 18:16 < snyke> rxr: link mal 18:16 < snyke> ich finds nirgends 18:16 < rxr> xawtv:cnn oder ntv ;-) 18:17 < rxr> vielleicht haben ja ein paar Azubies die Bude abgefackelt ;-) 18:19 < snyke> also n24.de steht nix cnn.com nix 18:23 < rxr> n24 now 18:27 < snyke> ah 18:27 < snyke> thx 18:28 < rxr> wasn't that interseting anyway ... 18:29 < rxr> I only wanted to watch the normal new on ntv and it was the first one ... 18:59 < snyke> k 19:02 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 19:02 < Mike1> hi 19:15 < term_aweh> hoi mike 19:19 -!- clifford_away is now known as clifford 19:19 < clifford> hi. 19:19 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has joined #rocklinux 19:19 < armijn> re 19:19 < Mike1> hi clifford 19:20 < Mike1> re armijn 19:20 < Mike1> hello term_aweh :) 19:20 < clifford> armijn: you don't need to patch gcc if you want to only build gcc (and not g++, f77, etc) 19:21 < armijn> clifford: now what? 19:21 < armijn> clifford: you mean my egcs64 patch? 19:21 < armijn> clifford: or better, the Debian patch? 19:21 < clifford> yup. 19:21 < armijn> well, it is needed, case closed 19:21 < armijn> it's not possible to build it without the patch 19:21 < clifford> armijn: I've actually had no time to read the egcs64 part of your sparc64 patch - I've just seen the mail discussion. 19:22 < armijn> ah 19:22 < armijn> well, egcs64 is just needed to compile the kernel, which is in C :) 19:22 < clifford> armijn: you can call make with 'LANGUAGES="c"' .. 19:23 < armijn> yeah, well, this was easier, because this patch was already there 19:23 < clifford> that disables the other frontends and only builds the rtl backend and the C frontend. 19:23 < armijn> and besides, egcs64 is not nicely autoconfiscated... 19:23 < armijn> it's a mess 19:23 < clifford> armijn: just wanted to let you know .. no need to change anything in your patch. 19:23 < armijn> pfew 19:24 < armijn> sorry, I'm a bit grumpy today 19:24 < clifford> armijn: no problem .. :-) 19:24 < armijn> the egcs64 package is not a nice one... 19:24 * clifford knows such days .. 19:24 < armijn> oh yeah... 19:25 < clifford> armijn: I need some time to include the patch in 1.7 ... 19:25 < armijn> clifford: I asked Ben Collins (sparc port, Debian) some more stuff 19:26 < armijn> forwarding his response to you now 19:26 < armijn> clifford: I'm concentrating on 1.5.14 now... 19:26 < clifford> great. (I'm establishing my imap thru ssh tunnel.) 19:26 < armijn> but so far, everything is building fine :) 19:26 < armijn> a few packages are failing, but I expected them to fail 19:27 < clifford> yes - I know. But I think when the packages are build on intel fine, 1.7 might be much easier for porting .. 19:29 * clifford released snapshot 1.7.0-DEV-200204251915. 19:29 < armijn> clifford: if the scripts are portable... 19:29 < armijn> I first want stuff to be fixed on 1.5 19:29 < armijn> I think we've had the dirtiest part now... 19:29 < clifford> armijn: ad mail from Ben Collins: Good to know that. 19:29 < armijn> except we still need to do the bootloader *shrug* 19:30 < clifford> rxr: are you listening? 19:30 < armijn> clifford: ehr, ad? that must be a typo :) 19:31 < clifford> armijn: Ad. - Latin abriviation. Means something like regarding .. 19:31 < clifford> armijn: don't ask me what the latin long form is .. :-) 19:31 < armijn> ah, ok 19:31 < armijn> latin is a loooong time ago for me :) 19:32 < clifford> armijn: like "i.e." (also latin from "it est"). But "Ad." is not so popular today .. 19:33 < clifford> rxr: are you here? 19:33 < armijn> ok, ok, I get the point 19:33 < clifford> ____ __ ______ _ _ _ 19:33 < clifford> | _ \ \ \/ / _ \ | | | | 19:33 < clifford> | |_) | \ /| |_) | | | | | 19:33 < clifford> | _ < / \| _ < |_|_|_| 19:33 < clifford> |_| \_\/_/\_\_| \_\ (_|_|_) 19:33 < armijn> but there's still another thing regarding linking that goes wrong somewhere 19:34 < armijn> in 1.5, I built sh-utils in stage 1 19:35 < armijn> I then removed the symlink to lybcrypt on my host system (Debian) 19:35 < armijn> and rebuilt sh-utils 19:35 < armijn> then su wasn't linked to libcrypt anymore 19:35 < armijn> even though the -L flag was set (in the gcc-specs of the gcc-wrapper) 19:35 < armijn> -L dist/usr/lib, etc. 19:36 < armijn> and that really puzzled me 19:36 < clifford> armijn: that gcc-specs shouldn't be used because it has shown to break a lot of stuff .. 19:37 < clifford> that's why we are building a "pseud cross-compiler" in 1.7 which is only using includes and libs from our target root environment .. 19:38 < clifford> armijn: the line 'export GCC_WRAPPER_SPECS="$base/lib/gcc-specs"' in Build-Pkg should be commented out in 1.5.12 .. 19:38 < armijn> aaah, just in 1.5.12? 19:38 < armijn> was it fixed in 1.5.13/14? 19:38 * armijn using 1.5.12 sources 19:38 < clifford> (looks like rene is not reading this at the moment.) 19:39 < clifford> armijn: I don't know (ask huebi) - but I don't think that it can be easily "fixed" because gcc has shown to not like that king od specs-hacking very much. 19:40 < clifford> that's why that has been entirely replaced in 1.7 with the pseudo cross-compiler. 19:40 < armijn> hmm, but is there a way to fix it? 19:41 < armijn> in ./scripts/Build-Pkg perhaps? 19:41 < clifford> armijn: maybe - I didn't found one .. 19:42 < armijn> hmm...so, 1.5.* is broken in that respect 19:43 < clifford> not broken - it's just missing a feature. 19:43 < clifford> (if you call the behavior "broken" - all ROCK versions before 1.7 are broken) 19:43 < armijn> well, they are :) 19:46 < clifford> armijn: it has always be said that building ROCK is only safe if the host system is ROCK again .. 19:46 < armijn> https://www1.rocklinux.org/releases/ 19:46 < armijn> 403: forbidden 19:46 < clifford> seams like the host doesn't allow autoindex ... 19:47 < armijn> and www2 hasn't been updated for a week :( 19:47 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit ("Read error: 2.99792458 x 10^8 meters/second (Excessive speed of light)") 19:48 < clifford> armijn: I will talk with chris again about www1 and www2 ... 19:48 * clifford has to go home now .. 19:49 < armijn> heh, maybe better run a cronjbo ;-) 19:49 < armijn> yeah, I'm going into town...buy birthday present 19:49 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p508169C6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:49 < clifford> armijn: he is saying that he runs a cronjob... 19:49 < clifford> cu./ 19:50 -!- clifford is now known as clifford_away 19:50 < armijn> clifford: but to mail chris ;-) 19:50 < armijn> ah well, am off 19:50 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has left #rocklinux () 19:54 < rxr> clifford_away: erm now I'm back ... :-( 19:58 < rxr> doesn s.o. know a tool to make X11 screenshots except GIMP ? 20:05 -!- blindy|anime is now known as blindcoder 20:05 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi 20:10 < snyke> er blindcoder 20:10 < snyke> re 20:15 * blindcoder now getting all the megatokyo comic-strips ;)( 20:15 < blindcoder> ;) 20:15 -!- skaar [~skaar@pix-fw.wan.aol.com] has quit ("ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet?") 20:33 < rxr> hm now curl is screwed up here, too ... 20:40 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@linus.regehr.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:40 < holyolli> moin 20:41 < rxr> holyolli: hi 20:41 < holyolli> hi rxr 20:50 < rxr> I need to replace NFS with s.th. ... 20:51 < holyolli> "s.th."? 20:51 < rxr> intermezzo maybe ... 20:52 < SMP> *yuck* 20:52 < rxr> SMP: ?? 20:52 < holyolli> ah 20:52 < SMP> intermezzo is far from being a replacement for NFS 20:52 < holyolli> i also thinked about intermezzo...but i havent heard anything about stability 20:53 < holyolli> SMP: have you tried it? 20:53 < SMP> nope 20:53 < holyolli> SMP: moin, btw ;) 20:53 < rxr> The Presto / Intersync stuff seems to be quite unfinished ... 20:53 < SMP> but at least you know _why_ NFS sucks so bad 20:53 < rxr> I tried Coda - but it is damn old +complex +and dog slow ... 20:53 < SMP> the suckage of Intermezzo has yet to be determined ;> 20:54 < holyolli> *g* 20:54 < rxr> SMP: sure everything *sucks* ... 20:54 < rxr> SMP: but Intermezzo would be nice for disconnected laptop use and might solve the NFS performace problems I have ... 20:54 < SMP> that's a fundamental principle of systems administration ;) 20:55 < SMP> rxr: yes. it might as well shredder your harddisk ;) 20:55 < holyolli> does anybody then know a practicable cluster-fs solution? 20:55 < rxr> SMP: I'm not going to use it on my production systems ... 20:56 < holyolli> and...no..i don't want fibrechannel... ;) 20:57 < SMP> holyolli: depends on what exactly you need. do you need to have your data centralized or distributed? LAN or WAN? read-write or read-only? synchronized within what timeframe? 20:57 < SMP> if data should be distributed, need it be redundant? 20:58 < holyolli> well... simply two fileservers connected directly and to a lan, who hold webserver data 20:58 < holyolli> there have to be any kind of failover of both nodes 20:59 < holyolli> so, if one machine crashes, the webservers (=clients for the fileservers) have to work on 20:59 < SMP> well yes you can failover that the HACMP way :> 20:59 < holyolli> ? 20:59 < SMP> kill the dead machine, fsck shared storage, mount read-write, take over NFS server IP 21:00 < holyolli> something like this kimberlite-clustersystem? 21:01 < SMP> oh they really did it! 21:01 < SMP> well, yes 21:01 < holyolli> but do you know which (not extremly expensive) scsi-controller can manage two controllers on one bus? 21:02 < holyolli> i only heart of these mylex extremeraids 21:02 < SMP> you only need an external RAID with two host buses. no special support on your host controllers 21:02 < SMP> this is even available for IDE-to-SCSI RAIDs 21:03 < SMP> starts at maybe 10k EUR, I'd say, for a decent array :>> 21:03 < holyolli> *hm* 21:04 < SMP> you could also throw money at NetApp *g* 21:04 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082AE92.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:04 < tsa> re 21:04 < holyolli> huhu tesa 21:05 < tsa> moin. 21:08 < huebi> Moiin! 21:08 < holyolli> huhu huebi 21:09 < huebi> hi holyolli 21:09 * SMP waves to huebi 21:09 < huebi> huhu SMP 21:09 < huebi> time shred -vz /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc 21:09 < huebi> real611m56.383s 21:09 < huebi> user3m35.460s 21:09 < huebi> sys27m51.020s 21:10 < huebi> SMP: This was the 4th one 21:10 < SMP> cool ;) 21:10 < tsa> huebi: what are you doing? 21:11 < huebi> shred is kool. It dumps 25 times random numbers to a file. MIL-Specs need only 14 times. 21:12 < SMP> but that's not for secret data ;p 21:13 < tsa> huebi: are you just playing with shred or do you have to destroy sensitive data? 21:15 < huebi> that were internal informations about T-systems Nova GmbH 21:16 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 21:16 < Mike1> re 21:17 < huebi> SMP: Why does it not work for secret data? 21:17 < huebi> hi Mike1 21:18 < Mike1> hi huebi 21:21 < SMP> huebi: AFAIK .mil people don't overwrite secret or top secret data, but instead melt the discs and then shred them to powder 21:21 < holyolli> *g* 21:22 < SMP> (and still handle the powder as classified ;>) 21:28 < huebi> *LOOOL* I remember when I was 12 Years old I visited a military installation here in Germany. There I found an empty used "Patronenhuelse" which was squeezed by a Tank. I was not allowed to take this absolutly unusable part of amunition with me because it still _was_ amunition. In that moment I decided not to do my military services. Only idiots there! The officer who told me to give him back the crap was an "Oberstleutnant" 21:31 < tsa> hehe 21:31 < huebi> Ok now the four disks are empty. I'll send them tomorrow 21:33 < tsa> hm....wenn du zu viele platten haben solltest, nehm ich wohl auch nen paar ;) 21:33 < holyolli> <-- sucht noch ne alpha 21:33 < holyolli> ;) 21:34 < huebi> holyolli: Ripclaw fragen ;> 21:34 < tsa> hm....ob der wohl auch atm-uplinks besorgen kann? ;-) 21:34 < huebi> holyolli: "Drucker" sind billiger ;> 21:34 < holyolli> hehehe 21:34 < holyolli> jo 21:35 < holyolli> es gehen nur nicht immer soo viele firmen in konkurs, die preiswert drucker abgeben ;) 21:35 < huebi> Cray Drucker .... *traeum* 21:35 < holyolli> *lol* 21:36 < huebi> erst 6 Monate alt und schon druckt er nicht mehr.. 21:36 < huebi> deshalb nur "fuffschig Mack" 21:37 < huebi> aber selber abholen 21:38 * holyolli würd wohl wirklich weit für so einen drucker fahren ;) 21:38 < huebi> holyolli: maximal 20000km... 21:38 < holyolli> *g* jo 21:38 < SMP> tsa: who wants ATM? ;) 21:39 < holyolli> SMP: for some buck per month...? 21:39 < holyolli> bucks even 21:39 < SMP> DSL is basically ATM ;> 21:40 < SMP> Telekom sells this explicitly. T-ATM DSL up to 6 Mbit 21:40 < SMP> if you need more - why use ATM? 21:40 < tsa> hm... 2.3mbit atm would be nice to have at home... 21:41 < holyolli> tsa: qsc? 21:41 < tsa> holyolli: nee.....kein dsl. 21:41 < SMP> tsa: buy T-ATM DSL .. 21:41 < holyolli> tsa: why not? 21:41 < tsa> SMP: hm....who will pay? ;) 21:41 < holyolli> tsa: due to the fact that this is s-dsl you don't have such bad ping-times? 21:42 < huebi> tsa: telia in sweden offers 10MBit for 60EUR/month but _only_ 100GB transfer 21:42 < huebi> SDSL 21:42 < tsa> holyolli: hm......das ist eher ne sache mit interleaving/fastpath .. 21:42 < holyolli> <-- knows that *grummel* 21:42 < holyolli> .oO(hätte doch da wohnen bleiben sollen.. ;) 21:42 < tsa> huebi: hm....zeit zum auswandern.. 21:43 < holyolli> huebi: but telia has some problems with some numbers in red.. ;-) 21:43 < huebi> tsa: NO! Time to kick ass the Teledummies 21:43 < SMP> 100GB is plenty for at home :> 21:43 < tsa> SMP: sure....i guess 10gb would be sufficient, too.. 21:44 < huebi> SMP: Still time to sleep if I download moviez 21:44 < holyolli> but the real problem is, that you only get this stuff with a swedish "personnummer"... at its really hard to get ;) 21:45 < holyolli> <-- starts a new build-all 21:46 < tsa> <-- currently running build-nothing 21:46 < tsa> ;-) 21:46 -!- hackbard [~hackbard@p50807646.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:46 < tsa> hi hackbard 21:46 < holyolli> hi hackbard 21:46 < hackbard> hi 21:46 < Mike1> hi Franky boy 21:48 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy|away 21:53 -!- jonath[an] [~demian@208.165.55.137] has joined #rocklinux 21:53 < jonath[an]> hi 21:53 < holyolli> hi jonath[an] 21:55 < Mike1> hello jonath[an] 21:57 < jonath[an]> hola Miguel 21:57 < jonath[an]> Pasa algo con nemesis? 21:57 < Mike1> jonath[an] si le cambie el disco duro por uno mas grande 21:57 < Mike1> tranqui respalde tus datos 21:57 < jonath[an]> ahhh ya veo, con razon 21:58 < Mike1> dame un ratito y te habilito todo de nuevo 21:58 < jonath[an]> no eran tan importantes, pero como se me borro el contenido de mi cuenta aqui, tenia que restaurar cosas 21:58 < jonath[an]> y algunas de ellas estaba en el home de nemesis 22:00 < Mike1> jonath[an] yo no borre tus datos 22:00 < Mike1> estan en mi respaldo traqnuilo 22:00 < Mike1> jonath[an] cuando tienes vacaciones? 22:00 < jonath[an]> umm, como hasta Julio 22:00 < jonath[an]> a inicios 22:00 < jonath[an]> por? 22:01 < Mike1> mmm esque queria ver si podes irte 2 semanas a venezuela para hacer un trabajo de hack solutions 22:01 < Mike1> pero es antes de julio 22:02 < jonath[an]> umm 22:02 < jonath[an]> quien sabe 22:02 < jonath[an]> nos estamos atrasando mucho en una materia 22:02 < jonath[an]> y creo que si terminamos antitos o a inicios de julio 22:03 < jonath[an]> pero no estoy seguro 22:04 < Mike1> igual es para dentro de 3 semanas asi que creo que mejor no te enredo con ese proyecto 22:04 < jonath[an]> jeje, si 22:05 < Mike1> mom 22:05 < jonath[an]> ok 22:07 < tsa> hm.....que es "enredar"? 22:07 < Mike1> tsa enredar = mess 22:07 < Mike1> confuse also 22:07 < tsa> entiendo...gracias. 22:08 < Mike1> tsa tu hablas espanol? 22:08 < tsa> Mike1: si, poquito.. 22:08 < Mike1> tsa eso no lo sabia, que bien 22:08 < holyolli> .oO(he tries..) 22:08 < jonath[an]> ohhh 22:08 < tsa> pero ya olvide mucho.. 22:08 < jonath[an]> but it sounds fine 22:09 < jonath[an]> :o 22:09 < tsa> ;) 22:09 < Mike1> tsa vivias en algun lugar dond ehablan espanol? 22:10 < holyolli> no es dificil de olvidar... ;) 22:10 < tsa> Mike1: no....pero mi tio veve en guatemala y ya visite a muchos lugares en centro america. 22:10 < jonath[an]> holyolli: ohh! :0 22:10 < tsa> s/veve/vive/ 22:11 < Mike1> tsa deberias venir a visitarnos en Costa Rica 22:11 < Mike1> holyolli tu tambien hablas espanol? 22:11 < jonath[an]> sure 22:11 < tsa> Mike1: con mucho gusto... 22:11 < holyolli> Mike1: tambien un muy poco.. ;) 22:11 < Mike1> holyolli que bien 22:11 < jonath[an]> :) 22:11 < Mike1> alguien mas entiende lo que estamos hablando? *g 22:12 < jonath[an]> esden 22:12 -!- term_aweh [~pm@beaufort.wyzant.de] has quit ("zz") 22:12 < jonath[an]> esden: estas ahi? 22:12 < tsa> Mike1: hehe.. 22:13 < jonath[an]> esden knows spanish, i understand that his mom is a spanish teacher 22:13 < Mike1> jonath[an] yes 22:13 < rxr> SMP: I just watched Detained - it isn't as bad as you mentioned ;-) 22:14 * holyolli only know a little bit, because my parents can both speak spanish (but they failed at me.. ;_) 22:14 < jonath[an]> :P 22:19 < jonath[an]> well, noew i have to go classes 22:19 < jonath[an]> s/noew/now 22:19 < jonath[an]> cu in some minutes guys 22:19 -!- jonath[an] is now known as jonath[away] 22:19 < holyolli> cu jonath[an] 22:19 < tsa> cu jonath[away] 22:31 < SMP> rxr: well, we should then (once more) agree to disagree ;) 22:31 < rxr> SMP: ;-) 22:34 < rxr> SMP: but in general this series is quite good. When I first heard of the idea of this pre Star Track series I though: "Urgh what shit should this become" ... 22:35 < snyke> good night 22:35 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A6A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ("[BX] Dr. Kavorkian is DYING to use BitchX. Aren't you?") 22:39 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p508169C6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 22:40 < holyolli> mv holyolli /dev/bed 22:40 < holyolli> cu! 22:40 < tsa> cu holyolli 22:40 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@linus.regehr.net] has left #rocklinux () 22:43 < rxr> SMP: Should I remove fltk from 1.7 sf cvs? It is in Cliffs extra2 and the sf one is "maintained" by G.Bevin gbevin@theleaf.be 22:43 < tsa> hi rxr 22:43 < tsa> what is fltk? 22:43 < SMP> why ask me? talk to Geert ... 22:44 < rxr> tsa: a GUI toolkit ... 22:44 < SMP> tsa: the Fast Light GUI Toolkit 22:44 < SMP> quite nice, IMHO 22:44 < rxr> SMP: I think he is not that interested in ROCK anymore ... 22:45 < tsa> SMP: i've sent several mails to geert and never got a reply... 22:45 < tsa> frustrating. 22:45 < huebi> rxr: Never erase somthing you don't maintain yourself. First ask the maintainer what to do! 22:45 < SMP> hmm. Geert used to come around here 22:46 < rxr> huebi: Geert has done Gentoo in the last time, all his packages are known to be unmaintained ... 22:46 < huebi> rxr: An d make shure you have an answer from the maintainer. 22:46 < tsa> hm....when he shows up here again, please teill him he should send a mail to the list that he does no longer maintain his packages and that they should be taken over by somebody else.. 22:46 < huebi> rxr: Never erase! 22:46 < tsa> ack. 22:47 < rxr> huebi: but know the package would give a build error, because it exists twice ... 22:47 < tsa> better add an empty file "now-in-extra(1|2)" to cvs 22:47 < rxr> huebi: if CVS moves would be clener we could just move the failing packages into a need-fixing dir ... 22:47 < huebi> rxr: Thats why I have my own cvs 22:48 < huebi> or at least one reason... 22:48 < SMP> rxr: hmm. kick it out of INDEX.sf I'd say 22:49 < huebi> SMP: good idea. So it is just not used and not erased. 22:49 < rxr> tsa: I would like to cleanup the categories slightly. Currently the singular and plurals are mixed. Have you an idea which form would be nice? (library <-> libraries; tool <-> tools ???) 22:50 < tsa> libraries, tools. 22:51 < rxr> hm 22:51 < SMP> *sigh* anyone here have Fightclub downloadable? ;) 22:52 < huebi> SMP: Do you want it tomorrow? 22:52 < SMP> any time would be great ;) 22:52 < tsa> hm....anybody familiar with python? 22:53 < hackbard> i like the soundtrack :-D 22:55 < huebi> YES! dhcpd and bind are up and working.. 22:55 < tsa> hehe 22:56 < huebi> now I still have to forbid bind to serve the outside ;-) 22:57 < tsa> listen-on { <ip-address-of-internal-interface> }; 22:59 -!- h_wschlic [~wschlich@p50815C16.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:03 < Mike1> SMP i have it but i took it home last night on the only cd i could upload it to u tomorrow if u wish 23:06 < rxr> erm I just update GqView from 0.12.0 to 1.1.3 ... 23:06 < tsa> hehehe 23:07 < rxr> hm. no 1.0.2 is the stable version - but this is a big version jump too ... 23:09 < huebi> The documentation of bind and dhcpd sucks a little bit 23:09 < huebi> thank you tsa :-) 23:10 < tsa> no problem ;) 23:11 < huebi> The changes in the new versions are not so easy to find and some things are sipmly wrong. Good for selling service contracts ;> 23:11 < tsa> hehe 23:12 -!- h0h0 [~hoho@dhcp024-209-107-204.woh.rr.com] has joined #rocklinux 23:13 < huebi> I want to change the rock scripts to sendmail.cf language: $&*{)\ \\ $# "|,<0x2<? ! <- new for Build-All ;-) 23:14 < huebi> Who wants to have a service contract? 23:14 < huebi> hehe 23:14 < tsa> sure. 23:14 < huebi> $$$ !! 23:14 < tsa> hehehe 23:14 -!- ripclaw [~ripclaw@p50816E65.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:14 < tsa> moin ripclaw 23:15 < huebi> hi ripclaw 23:15 < ripclaw> hi leuts 23:15 < huebi> ripclaw: I want to change the rock scripts to sendmail.cf language: $&*{)\ \\ $# "|,<0x2<? ! <- new for Build-All ;-) 23:15 < ripclaw> bin dazu gekommen bluemoon wieder zu booten 23:15 < huebi> do you also want a service contract? 23:16 < ripclaw> huebi: i will change the package format and parts of the kernel to runtime interpreted strings. 23:16 < ripclaw> do you need consultancy ? 23:16 < huebi> ripclaw: no but licence fees for my good idea for changing something ;-))) 23:16 < ripclaw> (i mean random strings turned to assembly... 23:16 -!- _wschlich [~wschlich@pD955CB0A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:17 < ripclaw> i think that changing something is subject to prior art. 23:17 < ripclaw> (see bible - and he took adams bone and made eve. 23:17 < ripclaw> god has prior art on change and error.) 23:17 < huebi> cause I told him IIRC 23:17 < ripclaw> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGHHH! 23:18 < ripclaw> huebi: what did you tell me ? 23:18 < ripclaw> my mail is suffering ! 23:18 < huebi> Pay now! 23:18 < ripclaw> no. 23:18 < huebi> why 23:18 < ripclaw> i invented patents ? 23:18 < ripclaw> >:-) 23:18 < huebi> (another one like god. Does also not pay) 23:19 < Mike1> cu 23:19 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit ("BitchX-1.0c18 by panasync") 23:19 < ripclaw> btw, do you already know the one where stallman, thorvalds and knuth meet? 23:19 < huebi> ripclaw: tel faster, please 23:20 < ripclaw> ok, its SAGE time again, all the great codewringers and bookwriters show up. 23:20 < ripclaw> btw: ou have new mail (5444 messages, 57485550 bytes total 23:20 < ripclaw> thorvalds meets knuth and stallman near the entrance. 23:21 < ripclaw> stallman: I had a great encounter last night ! 23:21 < ripclaw> stallman: GOD told me i wrote the best editor of all, he uses emacs for creation scripts. 23:22 < ripclaw> thorwalds: shutup, richard - i had him visit me personally and gratulate me on the great writing and design of the linux kernel 23:22 < ripclaw> he sent me a group of young angel-strippers, too. 23:22 < ripclaw> and.... 23:22 < ripclaw> . 23:22 < ripclaw> . 23:23 < ripclaw> knuth: what the hell you accuse me i have done ? ididn`t talk to richard, and didn`t visit linus ! 23:23 < ripclaw> :-) 23:23 < rxr> ;-) 23:23 < tsa> hehe 23:24 < huebi> hehe 23:24 < ripclaw> :-) 23:24 < ripclaw> reminded me of our discussion., 23:43 < inode> does kde need x to run under fbr? 23:43 < inode> can kde run under bfr? 23:44 < ripclaw> fbr / bfr ????? 23:44 * ripclaw tries to analyze inodes 23:44 < jonath[away]> back ppl 23:45 < inode> frarebuffer 23:45 < jonath[away]> hi ripclaw 23:45 < inode> s/frarebuffer/framebuffer 23:45 -!- jonath[away] is now known as jonath[an] 23:45 < ripclaw> hi jonath. when you are here, why are you away ? 23:46 < ripclaw> inode: no. framebuffer is optional. 23:46 < jonath[an]> i was away before, i was in classes 23:46 < ripclaw> kde/gnome/cde are only desktop environments, 23:46 < jonath[an]> and im here 2 months ago 23:46 < ripclaw> that is glorified enhancements to windowmanagers. 23:46 < ripclaw> so, they use x and x may use DRI and framebuffer if it likes. 23:47 < ripclaw> ok. :-) 23:47 < jonath[an]> Mike1?, how long has passed since he left channel? 23:48 < ripclaw> about 10 minutes 23:49 < jonath[an]> thnx ripclaw ! 23:49 < inode> i did find some good info : https://dot.kde.org/976193346/976196493/976205103/ 23:50 < jonath[an]> brb 23:59 < jonath[an]> i have to go 23:59 < jonath[an]> cya soon guys --- Log closed Fri Apr 26 00:00:11 2002