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00:45 < rxr> ./scripts/Check-PkgFormat -repository sourceforge | wc -l
00:45 < rxr>      66
00:45 < rxr> ;-)
00:56 < hackbard> gn8
00:57 < rxr> n8!
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01:03 < rxr> wow only 32 errors left ;-))))))
01:03 < rxr> (now try build the packages and contiue to fix the probs there ...)
01:03 * SMP wonders how many times again rxr is going to commit 'last fixes' today ;>
01:05 < rxr> SMP: this was only one big commit ...
01:06 < rxr> now the last CHANGELOG update got out ...
01:07 < SMP> I know
01:09 < tsa> ls -la
01:09 < rxr> tsa: ?
01:09 < tsa> hm...wrong window.
01:09 < tsa> sorry.
01:10 < rxr> ok I need sleep -> n8 ;-)!
01:10 < tsa> n8 rxr
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01:10 < SMP> bye rxr
01:35 < ripclaw> nite folks, i need sleep bitterly. gotta party in less than 6 hours.
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02:02 < Mike1> re all
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02:47 < tsa> n8
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08:07 < Bevin> hi
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10:30 < nerula_> hi
10:31 < nerula_> needs to speak english here?
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10:59 < huebi> moin rxr 
10:59 < rxr> moin huebi ;-)
11:12 < rxr> huebi: KOffice-1.2-beta1 got released: http://www.koffice.org/announcements/announce-1.2-beta1.phtml
11:12 < huebi> *click*
11:13 < th> moin leute
11:13 < huebi> hi th
11:13 < rxr> moin th!
11:14 < rxr> * kurz weg
11:14 < th> boah um halb eins hab ich nen vierfachen-espresso gekillt. ich bin immernoch voll auf droge
11:14 < th> der war stark
11:15 < huebi> th: so lange wie du keinen Nesscafe direkt aus dem Glas loeffelst, bist dunoch nicht richtig suechtig ;>
11:15 < th> ich trinke sonst nie kaffee
11:16 < th> darum schlaegt der staerker durch
11:16 < th> aber ich hab die nacht beim kunden verbracht
11:16 < th> um 0800 dann ins bett... aber mehr als 3 stunden "schlaf" hab ich nich geschaft
11:16 < th> da fliesst noch zuviel coffein die venen entlang
11:25 -!- holyolli [~oregehr@rossini.marcant.net] has joined #rocklinux
11:25 < holyolli> moin
11:27 < huebi> th: Nachtschichten lasse ich hier den Helpdesk des Kunden machen ;-) heh
11:27 < th> hehe
11:27 < holyolli> moin huebi
11:27 < huebi> moin holyolli 
11:29 < huebi> die haben vorgestern den PDC und einen grossen Fileserver gelyncht und hatten dann bis gestern Mittag Spass damit. Und ich sag' noch: tu' das nicht...  Aber nein, es muss doch windose benutzt werden.
11:29 < holyolli> *lol*
11:31 < th> hehe
11:34 < huebi> Ach noch was nettes: Zwischen einem Exchange Server und den Outlookclient werden, wenn Verschluesselung aktiviert ist, nur die Mails aber nicht die Passworte verschluesselt ausgetauscht. Damit man halt nicht gesehen wird wer welche mails vom Chef liesst. ;>
11:34 < huebi> -man
11:34 < holyolli> hehe
11:35 < th> wie editier ich am duemmsten ein ps?
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11:35 < holyolli> tsa
11:35 < tsa> moin allerseits.
11:35 < holyolli> tsa: geh arbeiten :-P
11:35 < tsa> hi holyolli
11:35 < tsa> hehe
11:35 < holyolli> opfer
11:35 < huebi> Wie aendere ich eigendlich die MAC-Adresse einer Netzwerkkarte im Betrieb. Ich muss hier mal die switche testen :-)
11:36 < holyolli> ettercap
11:36 < th> aehm
11:36 < holyolli> damit kannst du dann auch gleich öööhm "debuggen"
11:36 < th> ifconfig
11:36 < tsa> bei solaris geht's mit ifconfig
11:36 < th> bei linux auch
11:36 < th> hw class address
11:37 < th>               Set  the hardware address of this interface, if the
11:37 < th>               device driver supports this operation.  The keyword
11:37 < th>               must  be followed by the name of the hardware class
11:37 < th>               and the printable ASCII equivalent of the  hardware
11:37 < th>               address.    Hardware  classes  currently  supported
11:37 < th>               include ether (Ethernet), ax25 (AMPR AX.25), ARCnet
11:37 < th>               and netrom (AMPR NET/ROM).
11:37 < tsa> hm...
11:37 < huebi> Ich mag das, wenn bei den switchen alle gleichzeitig blinken....
11:37 < huebi> +LED's
11:37 < tsa> "if the device supports this operation"
11:38 < th> tsa: sollte bei den meisten NICs nich das problem sein
11:38 < tsa> was passiert wohl bei MAC=FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF ?
11:38 < holyolli> *fg*
11:39 < th> also. wie manipulier ich nun postscripts (bitmaps austauschen)
11:40 < tsa> # ifconfig eth0 ether FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
11:40 < tsa> ether: Unknown host
11:40 < tsa> hm...
11:40 < holyolli> tsa: weil du nix kannst(tm) ;-)
11:41 < tsa> holyolli: mach's besser.
11:41 < holyolli> nö
11:41 < th> och du kannst ja wirklich nix
11:41 < th> moment
11:41 < huebi> lol
11:41 < th> /sbin/ifconfig eth0 x.y.z.a broadcast ... netmask ... hw ether aa:bb:cc.....
11:42 < th> hw ether statt ether also
11:42 < tsa> SIOCSIFHWADDR: Device or resource busy
11:43 < tsa> war das interface bei dir vorher down?
11:44 < th> ich habs beim initialen UP mitgesetzt
11:44 < th> also ja
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11:44 < tsa> hm...ok, das geht hier grad nicht, sonst is uplink weg.
11:45 < tsa> ;)
11:45 < holyolli> tsa: warmduscher!
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11:46 < th> ich glaub hw ether aliasing geht noch nicht ;)
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11:48 < anders> mrrrrning..
11:48 < tsa> hm....hier klappt's nich.....vielleicht macht die karte das nich mit.
11:48 < tsa> hi anders
11:48 < anders> re tsa
11:48 < holyolli> hi anders
11:49 * anders muses, OpenBSD in VMware will not allow you to swap consoles...
11:49 < anders> re holyolli 
11:49 < anders> problem being that OpenBSD(i386) swaps consoles with C-A-Fkey, which XFree86 also happens to use..
11:50 < anders> *bummer*
11:50 < tsa> hm....wie gross is nen ethernet-header?
11:50 < holyolli> set LANG=en_EN
11:50 < tsa> 6+6+?
11:50 < term_emu> re
11:50 < holyolli> hi term_emu
11:50 < tsa> hi term_emu
11:50 < anders> re term_emu 
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11:57 < tsa> re.
11:57 < tsa> hm...irgendwas ist hier hin. auf console schalten sollte eigentlich nicht damit enden, dass die kiste tot ist.
12:01 < esden> hi all
12:02 < holyolli> hi esden
12:02 < tsa> moin esden
12:02 < holyolli> esden: did you try aboot?
12:02 < tsa> http://esden.unter.prominews.net/ <- hehe
12:02 < holyolli> *fg*
12:10 < anders> *sniff* /me can't read the article.. my german is non-existant..
12:11 < tsa> hm.....you could try translating it with babelfish
12:11 < esden> holyolli: I had no time yet ...
12:11 < esden> tsa: where do you get such junk ?
12:12 < anders> babelfish xlate would probably only confuse me even more.. :)
12:12 < huebi> anders: Just take one of these cheap daily newspaper with the big letters and exchange the name of the person in an article of your choice with esden :-)
12:13 < huebi> esden: I _never_ thought such things about you. Why do you do such nasty things?
12:14 < anders> huebi: Ah, a little like "The Sport" in UK then.... ;-)
12:15 < anders> so what does Pinkler mean?
12:15 < anders> Park I assume means just that...
12:15 < anders> (as in green area with trees..)
12:15 < praenti> is here
12:15 < praenti> moin
12:18 < anders> re praenti 
12:22 < praenti> huebi: can you say me what this means
12:22 < praenti> leela:/usr/local/dist # cvs -d :ext:praenti@rocklinux.dyndns.org:/home/cvs/cvsroot up rock-1.5
12:22 < praenti> p508172D2.dip.t-dialin.net: Connection refused
12:22 < praenti> cvs [update aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any)
12:25 < anders> praenti: no cvs server running on remote side?
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12:38 < esden> huebi: it is fun ;-)
12:39 < esden> *fg*
12:40 < esden> huhu praenti 
12:41 < huebi> bbl Pinkler = someone who pisses...
12:42 < anders> huebi: I guessed it could be, but I wasn't sure..
12:42 < anders> swedish and german do have some similarities.. :)
12:42 < anders> (the swedish phrase would be "Park-Pinkare")
12:46 < praenti> huebi: i've read in the changelog that th deleted the .pz .conf and .dec files. do you generate the from the Puzzle script now?
12:47 < praenti> s/\.dec/\.desc
12:47 < praenti> i hope my regexp is right
12:50 < praenti> huebi: another thing to do. can you check if anders is right with his answer to my error?
12:51 < esden> k megatokyo image printed ...
12:51 * anders was just guessing.. not got _huge_ experience with cvs so far..
12:51 < esden> *jump* that is so kawaii
12:52 < esden> http://www.megatokyo.com/index.php?strip_id=118 
12:54 < huebi> praenti: I have a look now
12:55 < praenti> esden: you're crazy ;-)
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13:03 < hackbard> moin
13:05 < esden> http://www.megatokyo.com/index.php?strip_id=158 <-- auuutsch that is kicking ass
13:07 < esden> the next one is also not bad : s/strip_id=158/strip_id=159/
13:09 < esden> moin hackbard ... so by thy way ;-)
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13:09 < holyolli> re
13:10 < esden> re holyolli 
13:10 < praenti> re hollyolli
13:10 < holyolli> hi praenti
13:10 * praenti trying a new kernel. rebooting
13:18 * anders does a quick hack to test i/o data integrity....
13:18 * holyolli drinks coffee...
13:18 * huebi schreibt Rechnungen...
13:18 < praenti> shitt. forgotten to compile my promise in the the kernel
13:19 < praenti> 2.4.18 kernel is rubbish
13:19 < praenti> <-- get unresolved symbols with iptables
13:20 < huebi> praenti: You missed some mor modules ;>
13:20 < holyolli> huebi: hattest du eigendlich mal wegen den displays nachgesehen?
13:21 < praenti> huebi: i dont think so. same configuration with 2.4.19pre7 run without an error
13:21 < esden> schidde ich muss mich endlich um die displays kuemmern ... scheisseee!!! ich brauche mehr zeit ... ich will nen 240 stunden tag!!!!
13:21 < esden> arrrggggh
13:22 < esden> dass kotzt mich jetzt an 
13:22 < esden> so ein scheiss ... ich brauche auch mehr geld .... grrrml ...
13:22 < esden> *bodentret*
13:23 < esden> ich habe 2 tage fuer die scheiss info hausaufgabe gebraucht ... und gestern bin ich eingepennt am nachmittag ... so eine zeitverschwaendung !!!
13:23 < esden> argl
13:25 < holyolli> esden: dann sag' mir mal wo ich da infos bekomme und ich bestell' die dann :)
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13:27 < esden> die displays fuer huebi und mich habe ich schon ... ich habe meins an meinen rechner schon angeschlossen ... ich muss aber noch ein kabel fuer huebi loeten ... und noch ein geheuse machen ...
13:28 < esden> aber ich komme nicht dazu ...
13:28 < holyolli> wo hast du die denn her?
13:28 < holyolli> also die displays?
13:29 < esden> der huebi hat die displays bei elektronikladen in muenchen bestellt ... ich suche gleich die url ... aber da sind die teuer .. er hat aber auch noch ne andere bezugsquelle gefunden wo man die billiger bekommt aber ich weiss die nicht ...
13:31 < esden> ich werde versuchen mich naechste woche um dass display fuer huebi zu kuemmern ... denn da ist ein feiertag und dadurch habe ich weniger zu tun fuer die uni ... ausserdem haben wir studenten vollversammlung was mir noch ein bissel mehr zeit verschafft ...
13:31 < esden> aber meine todo liste ist elend lang ...
13:31 < esden> dass regt auf
13:32 * -> esden sucht die elektronekladen url
13:32 < esden> <
13:32 < hackbard> ich muss graphen aus messdaten plotten und mir ausgleichsgeraden samt fehler bestimmen lassen. normal wuerde ich excel anschmeissen, aber ich frage mich ob jemand vielleicht ein gutes linux prog kennt, sollte aber nicht diese staroffice sein, denn ich glaube das sucked total.
13:32 < hackbard> moin esden btw ;)
13:34 < esden> http://www.elektronikladen.de/ela-muenchen.html
13:34 < praenti> esden: willst du meine futurama.dnsalias.net haben?
13:34 < esden> http://www.elektronikladen.de/lcd.html
13:38 < esden> praenti: warum ?
13:39 < esden> oder besser walum .. ?
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13:39 < armijn> re
13:40 < tsa> hi armijn
13:40 < armijn> hi
13:41 < praenti> esden: weil ich mir nen neuen satz hole und meine rechnernamen umstelle
13:42 < praenti> hätt ja sein können dass du die willst nachdem du sowieso auf futurama-namen bist
13:42 < armijn> bevin awake?
13:45 < tsa> probaly not.
13:45 < esden> praenti: neee ich habe mein home.esden.net
13:45 < armijn> jaja, genau
13:45 < esden> dass ist eh cooler
13:45 < esden> ;-)
13:46 < armijn> ganz viel cooler, jah, toll!
13:46 * praenti hat jetzt biersorten.dyndns.org
13:46 < praenti> ;-))
13:48 < tsa> hehehe
13:50 < anders> re armijn 
13:51 < armijn> hi anders.
13:55 < Bevin> armijn: brb xwrits pause
13:55 < armijn> bevin: ok
13:57 < armijn> in the mean time I will start mozilla
13:59 < anders> praenti: did you get your cvs probbs sorted?
14:00 < Bevin> back
14:01 < praenti> anders: huebi didnt answer me yet. problems are still there
14:01 < praenti> huebi: have you checked your cvs?
14:01 < armijn> bevin: because everybody here tends to talk in German, I think it is ok if I do this in Dutch >:->
14:01 < Bevin> armijn: go ahead
14:02 < armijn> bevin: die sandbox, is die al klaar? Je zou die toch afgelopen vrijdag uitbrengen?
14:02 < armijn> bevin: of heb je vertraging opgelopen (lijkt de Nederlandse Spoorwegen wel :)
14:02 < Bevin> armijn: ja ik heb vertraging opgelopen met het 'officiëel' uitbrengen met docs enzo, maar de sandbox is klaar
14:03 < armijn> bevin: aha, maar de docs, die zijn wel belangrijk...beschrijf je daarin ook de architectuur?
14:03 < praenti> armijn: Dutch is sometimes very similiar to german and then very different...fascinating
14:03 < Bevin> armijn: kort, ja, er is niet veel te beschrijven
14:03 < armijn> praenti: oh yeah :)
14:03 < armijn> bevin: maar wel welke technieken je gebruikt? strace? LD_PRELOAD?
14:04 < Bevin> armijn: het is nog steeds gebaseerd of het wrappen van libc calls, ptrace heb ik niet verder aan gewerkt
14:04 < armijn> bevin: maar...met statisch gelinkte programma's heb je daar dus niks aan...of wel?
14:04 < Bevin> armijn: het past /etc/ld.so.preload dynamisch aan in een threadsafe manier
14:04 < Bevin> armijn: exact
14:05 < Bevin> armijn: er zijn ook een hele resem env vars die de sandbox dynamisch configureren
14:05 < armijn> bevin: ik ben benieuwd...maar wat wil je ook alweer precies afvangen?
14:05 < armijn> open()?
14:06 < Bevin> armijn: alle syscalls die files aanraken
14:06 < armijn> bevin: ok...
14:06 < armijn> I think that's enough Dutch for today...
14:06 < armijn> well, Germans, how does that feel when someone suddenly starts talking in his native language on an international channel?
14:06 < esden> cu all
14:06 < armijn> I hope I made myself clear...
14:06 * -> esden going home
14:06 < armijn> bye esden
14:07 < armijn> esden: have fun with Alpha >:->
14:07 < esden> armijn: will have will have
14:07 < huebi> praenti: I had a look at the cvs. but now I have to restore the configuration cvstracker killed the configs without asking.
14:07 < armijn> bevin: ever looked at if you could track those calls in the kernel?
14:07 < armijn> bevin: will require a kernel patch, though
14:07 < Bevin> armijn: http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/gentoo-src/portage/src/sandbox/
14:07 < praenti> armijn: really evil
14:08 < Bevin> armijn: yes, that would require a kernel patch
14:08 < Bevin> armijn: ptrace should work though, but it's architecture dependant
14:08 < Bevin> armijn: there's a whole collection of magic number
14:08 < Bevin> armijn: that change according to the processor and that are documented nowhere
14:09 < Bevin> armijn: that why I put the ptrace implementation on hold
14:09 < armijn> bevin: what about adapting RSBAC?
14:09 < Bevin> what's that?
14:09 < armijn> Rule Set Based Access Control
14:09 < armijn> www.rsbac.org
14:09 < Bevin> never looked at it
14:09 < Bevin> bookmarked it for later reading
14:09 < armijn> it's intended for security, but might be possible to adapt it for this sandbox
14:11 < Bevin> right
14:11 < Bevin> I'm not so hot on kernel patches though
14:11 < armijn> I can imagine
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14:22 * anders wonders if OpenBSD's kernel configuration tools are similar to the ones in the Linux kernel...
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14:25 < Bevin> re
14:26 < holyolli> hi Bevin
14:34 < praenti> re bevin
14:55 < praenti> i hate our weather. 30 minutes ago sun is shining. now we have strong raining... :-(
14:55 < holyolli> ...hey..you aren't living in bielefeld...
14:56 < praenti> thats terrible if you want to go outsinde with laptop and some programming
14:56 < holyolli> _there_ is really always bad weather
14:56 < holyolli> *fg*
14:57 < praenti> shitt. its a thunderstorm. i hope we have no lighting, for the moment didnt see or here one.
14:58 < praenti> otherwise i would be afrid of my computers
14:58 < armijn> wuss.
14:58 < holyolli> no usv?
14:58 < praenti> no usv!
14:58 < armijn> I hope it will be dry tomorrow
14:58 < holyolli> oh
14:58 < armijn> probably not
14:58 < praenti> armijn: do you want to do something special tomorrow?
14:59 < armijn> praenti: yeah, outdoor festival :-/
14:59 < armijn> in Belgium
14:59 < th> huebi: what's up with cvstrac?
14:59 < tsa> hm.....anybody has any experience with zebra?
14:59 < praenti> armijn: i must wait a month, the we have nearly all 2 weeks an outside festival with lots of beer ;-)
15:00 < praenti> s/the/then
15:00 < praenti> th: cvstracker has deleted huebis config-files
15:01 < praenti> at the moment i must wait before i can do some package fixes
15:02 < armijn> well...weather forecast for Belgium looks a bit better
15:02 < praenti> th: why did you delete all *.desc *.pz and *.conf
15:02 < praenti> do we generate them now automically
15:02 < praenti> ?
15:02 * praenti is hearing a thunder. fuck
15:02 < th> praenti: yes
15:03 < armijn> a thunderfuck?
15:03 < praenti> lol
15:03 < armijn> what's a thunderfuck?
15:03 < praenti> you know what a thunder is?
15:03 < armijn> yeah yeah, of course
15:04 < armijn> is it when you fuck so hard that you can hear thunder?
15:04 < praenti> but there's a point and a space between.
15:04 < armijn> argh, I know...
15:04 < armijn> I was just kidding
15:04 < praenti> if you want we can do some brainstorming about thunderfuck
15:05 < armijn> or a thunderstorm about brainfuck
15:05 < th> praenti: do we have real data loss?
15:05 < th> praenti: when did that happen?
15:07 < praenti> th: you need the *.conf for the compile. but when puzzle runs the extconv.sh then this was a good idea
15:08 < praenti> if you need *.pz or *.desc for the compile i dont know. downloads are directly from the ext files and discription id ont know
15:09 < praenti> shitt. wrong word.
15:09 < praenti> s/if/whether
15:09 * praenti needs some food. concentration level too small
15:10 < holyolli> ./dcc send praenti food
15:10 < holyolli> or just go to www.bringdienst.de ;-)
15:11 < armijn> well, you just need the ext files
15:11 < armijn> but it would have been better if the ext files were removed instead
15:11 < armijn> we want to get rid of them
15:12 * praenti have some double cookies with chocolate filling found
15:12 < praenti> armijn: i want to do them same. but not in 1.6. because of that we have generate the 1.7
15:13 < armijn> we generate them from the 1.7 stuff?
15:14 < praenti> no, not generate from 1.7 stuff. we founded the 1.7 tree thats what i wanted to say
15:15 < praenti> because we get rid of the ext
15:15 < armijn> why can't we get rid of ext for 1.6?
15:15 < armijn> s/for/in/
15:16 < praenti> armijn: thats a good question. yeah. i can think again ;-)
15:17 < armijn> I mean, we already use the .conf and .pz files, that we autogenerate
15:17 < praenti> perhaps we should kill the ext and make all with the .conf and .pz
15:17 < armijn> so, we autogenerate them once, and then get rid of the .ext files
15:17 < armijn> well, that's a start
15:20 < praenti> ok. i will try some modifications
15:25 < praenti> shitt Puzzle need ext for the download locations
15:26 < praenti> i think i must modify the Puzzle-script
15:27 < holyolli> cya
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15:36 < praenti> can anybody help me with shell-programming?
15:54 < praenti> can anybody tell me whats wrong with that line:
15:54 < praenti> filename={'egrep *.ext $1'}
15:55 < praenti> $1 has for example ace.ext in it and i want to cut off the .ext
15:56 < praenti> nobody here or nobody can answer?
15:56 < armijn> I wouldn't know the answer
15:56 < armijn> I don't speak bash fluently
15:56 < rxr> hi
15:56 < praenti> i have the same problem
15:56 < praenti> where is clifford when we need him
15:57 < praenti> hi rene
15:57 < armijn> well, rxr can help you
15:57 < praenti> rxr: do you speak bash?
15:58 < praenti> mom. i seen a mistake
15:58 < rxr> praenti: to some degree ;-)
15:58 < praenti> have you read the filename thing
15:58 < rxr> I see it.
15:59 < rxr> praenti: what whould be wrong with: filename="'egrep *.ext $1'"
15:59 < praenti> can i make a "egrep *.ext $1 > $filename
15:59 < praenti> ?
15:59 < rxr> no this would pipe the output into the file with the name $filename ...
16:00 < praenti> this one above writes only in the variable and doent execute the command egrep
16:00 < rxr> as sorry you need this ` chars arround
16:01 < rxr> filename="`egrep *.ext $1`"
16:01 < praenti> ok. i'll  try
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16:04 < praenti> variable is empty
16:05 < rxr> wie rufst du das auf, wofuer?
16:05 < praenti> has something to do with egrep
16:05 < praenti> extconv.sh *ext
16:06 < praenti> and now i must cut the .ext away from $1
16:06 < rxr> pkg=`echo $1 | sed "s,.ext,,"`
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16:07 < praenti> ok. i see
16:09 < praenti> thx
16:13 < esden> re hi all
16:15 < praenti> argh. ich bin zu blöd
16:15 < rxr> hi esden 
16:15 < praenti> re esden
16:17 * -> esden getting x86-64 simulator
16:17 -!- clifford_away is now known as clifford
16:17 < clifford> hi rene
16:17 < clifford> just got your mail.
16:17 < rxr> hi clifford ;-)
16:17 < praenti> hi clifford
16:18 < rxr> clifford: and a new one got just out
16:18 < praenti> clifford: can you help me with some shell-scripting?
16:19 < rxr> clifford: was it the dependency thing you wanted to tell my yesterday evening?
16:19 < clifford> praenti: maybe
16:19 < clifford> rxr: yes.
16:20 < praenti> clifford: what do i have to write if i want to make extconv to all *.ext files in ext-config? (i'm currently at 1.5)
16:21 < clifford> rxr: I'm testing it just now: In my tree it is possible now to e.g. select gcc2 as default c-compiler and gcc3 as default c++ compiler.
16:21 < praenti> i've tried for x in ext-config; do
16:21 < praenti> ./misc/archive/extconv.sh
16:21 < praenti> done
16:21 < praenti> but this doesnt work :-(
16:22 < praenti> ähh. ... extconv.sh ext-config/*/*.ext
16:22 < praenti> natürlich
16:22 < clifford> praenti: for x in ext-config/*/*.ext ; do ./misc/archive/extconv.sh ${x%.ext} ; done
16:23 < praenti> dange
16:23 < clifford> praenti: klar was die zeile macht?
16:23 < praenti> ja schon klar. is ja richtig kompliziert
16:24 < praenti> im vergleich zu c oder perl
16:24 < esden> praenti: dass meinst du hoffe ich ironisch ... *fg*
16:24 < praenti> nicht unbedingt. da tu ich mich nicht so schwer komischerwiese
16:25 < praenti> ok. in c musst du das file-handling dann auch noch bauen. das ist dann scheiß komplex
16:25 < esden> grr where have the dumbases hidden the x68-64 simulator >_<
16:26 < rxr> esden: it is only available as rpm IIRC ...
16:26 < esden> yes I know .. and .. Is that a problem ?
16:26 < rxr> http://www.x86-64.org/downloads
16:26 < clifford> praenti: perl -e 'while (<ext-config/*/*.ext>) { s/\.ext$//; system("./misc/archive/extconv.sh $_"); }'
16:26 < esden> if I can download the rpm somewhere ...
16:26 < clifford> praenti: in c waere es ein wenig laenger ..
16:26 < esden> ahh rxr thanks
16:26 < esden> noo ...
16:26 < praenti> clifford: an das teil dachte ich da
16:27 < esden> I know this site already and I seem to be blind ... I do not find the apropriote link ...
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16:28 < rxr> esden: yes this is a vaild question ... :-(
16:29 < esden> ahh there it is
16:29 < esden> I have it !
16:29 < esden> http://www.x86-64.org/simnow/ 
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16:29 < esden> re clifford 
16:29 < clifford> hi. hab' ich was verpasst (seit '<esden> noo ...')?
16:29 < esden> hmm ... should I take redhat or suse ...
16:30 < esden> clifford: I was only searching for the rpm, containing the x86-64 simulator
16:30 < esden> and I found it
16:31 < clifford> rxr: about gcc2 vs. gcc3: Would you now recommend gcc2 or gcc3 for building c++ progs?
16:32 < praenti> btw. how would the 1.5/1.6 maintainer like the extconv.sh? do you want the parameter with ext-name or with ext-name.ext
16:32 < clifford> btw: it's not possible to use g++2 and g++3 compiled bins on the same system ..  :-)
16:33 < clifford> praenti: filename of the *.ext file without the '.ext' ..
16:33 < praenti> clifford: special reason?
16:34 < clifford> praenti: easier for the script (you could add 'set ${1%.ext}' as first line so it excepts the filenames with the .ext also ..)
16:35 < rxr> gcc3 is much better - but the 3.0 series fails on some code ... gcc 3.1 should fix this. Also some packages will fail (and needs patches) to compile with the gcc 3's ANSI C++ interpretation. (Aspell, telnet, ...) So for the next weeks 2.95.3 but with gcc-3.1 (and patches or new releases) gcc-3.1 ...
16:35 < clifford> praenti: WARNING: extconv.sh is a hack and you need to adopt the files created by it in some cases..
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16:36 < armijn> re
16:38 < esden> The SimNow simulator requires the following: * AMD Athlon® 700-MHz or better class processor (1 GHz recommended) *384 MBytes of system memory (512 MBytes recommended) * 3.5-inch, 1.44-capacity, high-density floppy drive * CD-ROM drive * 1 GByte of free hard disk space for the simulator and devices plus 3 GBytes free space for disk file images
16:38 < praenti> clifford: th has deleted all pz, conf and desc files in ext in huebis cvs. if my idea doesnt work we must restore the files
16:38 < esden> the last part is the best I think ;-0
16:39 < esden> praenti: auutsch
16:39 < praenti> thats the problem. i dont know how much work this in a cvs is, because cvs mark them only as attic
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16:50 < clifford> rxr: when gcc 3.1 is out, what would you recommend for normal c progs?
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16:52 < holyolli> re
16:53 < rxr> clifford: we must test it out. Normally the optimizations should have improved much (compared with the gcc-2.95.3) and the C++ compiler ich a much closer implementation of the 1998 ANSI C++ specification. 
16:54 < rxr> clifford: but I had a dist snapshot of dRock using the gcc-3.0.2 in las November and the binary size increased by 30% - which is too much I think. So we might like to validate the currentl performance and binary size ...
16:54 < clifford> rxr: an importand question is if it is safe to build the kernel and glibc with gcc 3.1 ...
16:54 < rxr> the glibc-2.2.5 is marked as compileable by gcc-3.0.x
16:55 < rxr> my kernel worked just fine (alsthough some hacker stat that they do not recommend this ...)
16:55 < rxr> clifford: I think the possibility of selecting the compiler to use is just fine. - We can also add some documentation to the options in Config
16:56 < clifford> rxr: yes - but what should be the default compiler?
16:56 < rxr> 2.95.3 
16:56 < clifford> ok.
16:56 < rxr> clifford: is there a possibility to add help to the options in Config (like the kernel has?)
16:57 < clifford> yes - I want to create config.hlp files for that later.
16:57 < clifford> Currently the config options are (imo) changing to fast for writing usefull documentation.
16:58 < rxr> ;-)
16:58 < holyolli> clifford: are there any known caveats when making the package install-disks for alpha?
16:58 < holyolli> clifford: or must i pay attention to anything?
16:59 < clifford> holyolli: no. (meaning: The caveats you are running in are not known yet.. :-)
16:59 < holyolli> *g* okay...
16:59 < holyolli> the bootdisk-images are created when building the package install-disks, aren't they?
17:00 < clifford> holyolli: they are (in 1.5.12) created by the install-disks subdistribution.
17:00 < holyolli> thx
17:00 < clifford> (in 1.7 they are not build at all - in the moment :-)
17:01 < holyolli> btw. is your health status getting better?
17:03 < armijn> argh stop about compilers....
17:03 < armijn> nothing but trouble on sparc64
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17:03 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
17:03 < holyolli> hi blindcoder
17:05 < rxr> has anyone heared s.th. about the timeframe 2.4.19 should come out ?
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17:10 < esden> hi martin_ 
17:10 < martin_> hi all
17:10 < holyolli> hi martin_
17:11 < holyolli> esden: moin...you didn't already made some mk-bootdisk für alpha? otherwise i'll try it now.. :)
17:12 < esden> holyolli: it seems that you have too much time ;-)
17:12 < holyolli> esden: not really..but I want to make rock-alpha working ;)
17:12 < esden> no I had no possibility to do this yet
17:12 < esden> sure do that
17:12 < holyolli> just finished build-all.. ;)
17:12 < holyolli> (but with errors :(
17:13 < esden> holyolli: my build was also with errors ...
17:13 < holyolli> btw. aboot is in huebis cvs tree and builds on my alpha without probs
17:14 < esden> holyolli: good
17:14 < holyolli> i also editied the lilo-install-script...
17:14 < holyolli> can you test it? ;-))
17:14 < holyolli> *eg*
17:14 < holyolli> <- don't want to try the script on my fileserver... ;)
17:14 < esden> sure I will test it ... when I have some spare time ... and enough space on my alpha ...
17:15 < esden> because I will not try to compile rock over nfs
17:15 < esden> it took nearly 4 days ... that sux
17:15 < holyolli> understandable ;)
17:16 < esden> but ... I hopefully have enogh diskspace at least after the linuxtag
17:16 < esden> cuz ripclaw will give me "my" compaq disks back
17:16 < holyolli> *g*
17:17 < esden> then I can do more for alpha
17:17 < jonath[away]> hi
17:17 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux
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17:17 < Mike1> hi all
17:17 < holyolli> hi Mike1
17:18 < Mike1> como estas holyolli 
17:18 < jonath[an]> hello Miguel
17:18 < Mike1> jonath[an] :)
17:18 < holyolli> Mike1: muy bien...
17:18 < holyolli> i usted?
17:19 < Mike1> holyolli muy bien tambien gracias
17:22 < esden> hi Mike1 
17:23 < armijn> heh
17:24 < armijn> grmbl...
17:24 < armijn> everyone should use my sparc64 patches.
17:24 * clifford released snapshot 1.7.0-DEV-200204261654.
17:25 < armijn> clifford releases snapshots faster than that people can build...
17:25 < holyolli> hehe
17:26 < esden> clifford: you are too fast for us ;-) *fg*
17:26 < armijn> clifford has got a sex machine!
17:27 < jonath[an]> LOL
17:27 * rxr syncing the 1.7-cliff tree ;-)
17:28 < armijn> and he definitely likes the "release early, release often" paradigm
17:28 < armijn> especially the "often" part
17:29 < armijn> maybe he just misread it as: "release often, release often"
17:29 < holyolli> *lol*
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17:30 < esden> netsplit yea! >_<
17:30 < armijn> yeah.
17:30 < armijn> I love that
17:30 < rxr> clifford: you have not refetched the sf tree? :-(
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17:34 < Mike1> damn
17:34 * clifford is refetching sourceforge ..
17:36 < clifford> what happens if I make a 'cvs add' for a file which is already in the cvs tree?
17:36 < rxr> clifford: ? why?
17:37 < blindcoder> nothing AFAIK
17:37 < clifford> rxr: *.cache files.
17:37 < blindcoder> an error message saying that the file is already in the cvs tree
17:38 < clifford> rxr: a new package in sf doesn't have a *.cache file. When i do a reference build, I have to add those files before commiting ..
17:38 < esden> ok ...
17:38 * -> esden reordering todo ...
17:38 < rxr> rene@localnet:~/develop/rock/package/package/sourceforge/zylyx > cvs add zylyx.cache 
17:38 < rxr> rrebe@cvs.rock-package.sourceforge.net's password: 
17:38 < clifford> blindcoder: so i can easily make an 'cvs add */*.cache ; cvs commit */*.cache' ..
17:38 < rxr> cvs server: zylyx.cache already exists, with version number 1.2
17:38 < rxr> clifford: seems so (just test)
17:38 < jonath[an]> what happen Mike1 ?
17:38 < rxr> s/test/tested/
17:39 < blindcoder> clifford> sure
17:39 < clifford> blindcoder: good. :-)
17:40 * rxr looking at the outptut of Check-Deps
17:41 < clifford> rxr: cewl - he?
17:41 < rxr> you become a awk freak? ;-)
17:41 < rxr> clifford: yes quite kool ;-)
17:42 < rxr> This one is strange: [3] base/file                 alsa audiofile esound gconf gdk-pixbuf gimp glib g
17:42 < rxr> nome-libs gnomemm gpgme gtk+ gtk+extra gtkmm guile imlib intltool lesstif libgla
17:42 < rxr> de libole2 librep librsvg libsigc++ libxml2 oaf ogg-vorbis orbit pkgconfig xine
17:42 < armijn> cvs add? that adds a file to the repository
17:42 < armijn> but you have to run a cvs commit for it to have effect
17:43 < armijn> but if a file already exists, that doesn't make a difference
17:43 < armijn> ok, I'm off...
17:43 < armijn> it's weekend :))
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17:44 < clifford> rxr: I've always been an awk freak...  :-)
17:44 < rxr> clifford: this one is trange too (does the second collom are really the packages the package depends on?): [3] base/pspell               alsa audiofile esound gconf gdk-pixbuf gimp glib g
17:44 < rxr> nome-libs gnomemm gtk+ gtk+extra gtkmm guile imlib intltool lesstif libglade lib
17:44 < rxr> ole2 librep librsvg libsigc++ libxml2 oaf ogg-vorbis orbit pkgconfig xine
17:45 < clifford> rxr: some pkgs depend on all (or almost all) other packages.
17:45 < clifford> rxr: that's because they do something like e.g. 'grep foobar /usr/bin/*'.
17:45 < clifford> i need to fix thos packages ..
17:45 < rxr> clifford: oh - yes this really sucks ....
17:46 < esden> clifford: how do you make in bash shellscript a fallthrough in a loop ?
17:46 < clifford> esden: fallthrough? what's that?
17:47 < esden> ja dass er den vorgong abbricht mitten drinnen bevor die bedingung erfuellt wurde
17:47 < blindcoder> esden> what i meant whas something like that:
17:47 < esden> sorry for LANG=de
17:47 < blindcoder> bed1)
17:47 < blindcoder> bed2)
17:47 < Mike1> see you later guys
17:47 < clifford> rxr: stuff like that is the reason why I don't like to auto-create the build-order from the dependencies ..
17:47 < blindcoder> what to do
17:47 < blindcoder> ;;
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17:47 < clifford> esden: break (wie in C - siehe bash manpage)
17:48 < esden> ja  ... adnke
17:48 < esden> und sorry ...
17:49 < clifford> sorry wofuer?
17:49 < esden> wegen so ner dummen frage ;-)
17:49 < clifford> oh - kein problem ..  :-)
17:50 < esden> :-)
17:51 * -> esden wants A beer!
17:51 < blindcoder> x)
17:51 < blindcoder> o)
17:51 < blindcoder> do_some_stupix_stuff
17:51 < esden> b33r
17:51 * rxr shortly away
17:52 -!- rxr is now known as rxr_away
17:52 < holyolli> btw. is anybody at dreamhack?
17:52 < blindcoder> *Argh* i shouldn't have drunk 2 Sake today
17:52 < esden> megatokyo !!! w00t
17:53 < blindcoder> PH34R MI L33T N3KK1D SK1LLZ!
17:53 < esden> Rooofl
17:53 < esden> *abkack*
17:53 < holyolli> wtf?
17:53 < blindcoder> Anyone here speak L33T?
17:54 < esden> blindcoder: stop it
17:54 < esden> otherwise others will hate us ;-)
17:54 < blindcoder> sure... I overdid it again...
17:59 < esden> john has not cracked my passwords after 4 days .. is that good ?
17:59 < esden> I hope so
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18:00 < esden> re rxr 
18:00 < jonath[an]> excuse me... how can i enabled rlogin in rock?, klogind?
18:00 < jonath[an]> hi rene
18:00 < rxr> clifford: btw. have you found anything that way really annoying when you installed dRock-1.4.1 ? ;-)
18:01 < jonath[an]> btw, dRock 1.4.2 clambomber package is incomplete
18:02 < rxr> jonath[an]: there is no 1.4.2 release yet ;-) but clanbomber got removed because the installation required a running X server and I do not want to fix this complete wroken make system ...
18:02 < rxr> s/wroken/broken ...
18:03 < rxr> jonath[an]: you can try the 1.6.0-rc1  ;-)
18:03 < rxr> (or the rc2 which should come out next week ;-)
18:03 < jonath[an]> ok
18:03 < esden> I love my stupidity !!!
18:03 < esden> argl
18:03 < jonath[an]> where are the isos?
18:04 < jonath[an]> esden: we talked about stupify once
18:04 < esden> jonath[an]: yes I know ... 
18:04 < jonath[an]> hehe
18:04 < jonath[an]> so, what's the prob now?
18:04 < esden> but my behaviour at the pc is gatting more and more automatic ...
18:05 < jonath[an]> hehe, ok
18:05 < clifford> rxr: (1) the install shell looks very ugly when running on a b/w screen
18:05 < esden> and I do things I think ... and not what I really want ...
18:06 < jonath[an]> sure, i understand
18:06 < clifford> rxr: (2) the way to install the data from cd 2 is not very clear (sure - I figured out how it works ..  :-)
18:06 < jonath[an]> btw, is the install_bin now implemented to be run in a root partition?
18:06 < clifford> well - thats all I've found.
18:07 < jonath[an]> last time i just could run it from cd
18:07 < rxr> clifford: ;-) Ok - Thanks!
18:07 < rxr> clifford: (1) the install_menu got never tested on a b&w display :-(
18:07 < clifford> rxr: just run in in a gnome terminal ..  :-)
18:09 < rxr> clifford: (2) this way is mentioned on the statup-help, the question about running the setup scripts and in the online dRock install-instruction ;-) - We can design s.th. more useable for 1.7 ;-)
18:10 < jonath[an]> re: btw, is the install_bin now implemented to be run in a root partition?
18:10 < rxr> oh - sorry I forgot to test and correct this ... 
18:11 < jonath[an]> dunt worry
18:11 < clifford> rxr: yes - but this help message is not very clear (let's better say: it's not as fool-proof as the rest of your menu-based install shell :-)
18:11 < rxr> jonath[an]: the URL is: http://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/unstable/1.6.0-rc1/
18:11 < jonath[an]> thnx a lot rene
18:11 < rxr> clifford: hehe
18:15 < rxr> but now I'm away ...
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18:43 < snyke> hi all
18:43 < snyke> !!!
18:44 < praenti> esden: do you want a beer then come to me.
18:44 < blindcoder> esden> make sure to stop by and pick me up first ;)
18:45 < snyke> hehe
18:45 < snyke> ah
18:46 < snyke> how can I stop BitchX try connecting when I AM connected?
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18:55 < esden> hmm
18:55 < esden> re hi all
18:57 < esden> I think I should start nickgrabbing so I can rename myself to different life situation nicks ... : esden|sleep esden|eat esden|uni esden|busy esden|on_the_way_to_hell ;-)
18:57 < esden> aso
18:57 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A77.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux
18:57 < esden> as]nd so on
18:57 < snyke> man
18:57 < praenti> arghh. i hate the heat sink in my laptop. before i opened the laptop it makes a terrible noise and now it doesnt work anymore
18:57 < esden> re snycki
18:57 < snyke> esden: come and fetch my/your COMPAQ Proliant
18:57 < esden> snyke: ???
18:57 < snyke> it's weekend.
18:57 < esden> sure ...
18:58 < esden> but not yet
18:58 < snyke> komm und hol den proliant ab!
18:58 < snyke> :)
18:58 < snyke> hm wann?
18:58 < praenti> esden: if there are buffered sdram in it. i have 256mb ram to test
18:58 < esden> ich habe mommenton keinen stoff den idch drauf testen kuennte
18:58 < snyke> hrm
18:58 < snyke> dann hald nich :P
18:59 < esden> es hat sich herrausgestellt dass ich letzte woche scheisse gebaut habe und dass ich dass patchen von dem kernel von vorne machen muss
18:59 < esden> deshalb dauert es noch eine weile
18:59 < esden> ich werde dir sagen wann ich die kiste brauche ... wenn ich bis dahin keine von lrz bekommen habe ...
18:59 < snyke> k
19:00 < esden> dem der tuep da meint dass ich fast sofort eine haben kann wenn ich will
19:00 -!- rxr_away is now known as rxr
19:00 < rxr> re
19:00 < esden> ausserdem will der mir buecher kaufen
19:00 < esden> re rxr 
19:00 < esden> ich werde dass ausnutzen
19:00 < esden> und mir buecher zu dem kernel internas zulegen
19:00 < esden> wenn der tuep zahlt ist es geil ...
19:01 < esden> ich fange an lrz zu muegen ;-)
19:01 < esden> die jeungs sind echt gut drauf 
19:01 < esden> und so spendabel dass ist dass beste ;-)
19:01 < snyke> hehe
19:01 < rxr> was ist eurer lrz ???
19:02 < esden> lrz=Leibnitz Rechen Zentrum (http://www.lrz.de/)
19:02 < esden> s/Leibnitz/Leibniz/
19:02 < rxr> and they pay book and give hardware away? I would not get anythung from our "Rechen Zentrum" ...
19:03 < esden> rxr: I can probobly have all I want from them ... ;-)
19:03 < rxr> esden: why=
19:03 < rxr> s/=/?/
19:03 -!- blindy|eat is now known as blindcoder
19:04 < esden> do net really know. I am only making a kernel patch usable that they need badly
19:04 < rxr> which patch?
19:04 < esden> no not badly ... but the guy says that it is nice to have ...
19:05 < rxr> esden: what?
19:05 < esden> a process policy patch
19:06 < esden> it is giving you the posibility to bind processes to processor groups
19:06 < esden> this is only relevant on machines cpu>4
19:07 < esden> this patch is called pset corroctly
19:07 < esden> ...
19:08 < esden> processor set patch
19:08 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux
19:08 < netcrow> hi
19:08 < blindcoder> sers
19:08 < esden> this works somehow like partitioning the cpu resources
19:08 < esden> hi netcrow 
19:08 < rxr> esden: yes - I know this issue ...
19:09 < netcrow> my pc is death...
19:09 < blindcoder> bury it @netcrow
19:09 < praenti> esden: do you still want a beer?
19:10 * praenti must go eating
19:10 < esden> rxr: to make it working is not really difficult till now ... but it can change ... ;-)
19:10 < esden> praenti: sure I want
19:10 < esden> but I have no car
19:10 < praenti> esden: und ich hab wenig sprit
19:10 < esden> I can come with my bike
19:10 < netcrow> i have a cat but no driving license ;-)
19:10 < esden> but then I can not take blindcoder with me
19:11 < blindcoder> esden> sop it
19:11 < blindcoder> I'll come round in about 20 minutes
19:11 < blindcoder> just let me finish with eating and changing
19:11 < esden> blindcoder: ok ... so I wait for you
19:11 < netcrow> <english>hm, geht ihr biertrinken?</english>
19:12 < blindcoder> netcrow : I think you misplaced the "/" :)
19:12 < esden> yes we are going for a b33r to praenti ;-)
19:12 < praenti> esden: wart noch. ich muss er st essen. so ab 20 uhr hab i zeit
19:12 < netcrow> hm, kann mich wer abholen? *g*
19:12 < esden> ahh ok ...
19:12 < blindcoder> praenti hat'll be perfectly fine cause esden on't be able to get away from ay for at lest 30 minutesafter I entered his room ;)
19:13 < blindcoder> I can't type anymore >_<
19:13 < esden> blindcoder: >_<
19:13 < blindcoder> Maybe this Keyboard is broken
19:13 < netcrow> so, ich geh wieder..
19:13 < blindcoder> baibai
19:13 < esden> blindcoder: type hiragana ... or how it is being spelled
19:13 < netcrow> es wartet ne halbe flasche rotwein ;-)
19:13 < netcrow> bye
19:13 < esden> cu netcrow 
19:13 < blindcoder> Hiragana is right
19:14 < esden> ahh I am good ;-)
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19:14 < blindcoder> sometimmes...
19:14 < blindcoder> but that's this more often than me ;)
19:14 < esden> .oO(selbstbeweireucherung)
19:14 < blindcoder> okay, I'll go changing (just wearing boxers rightnow)
19:14 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy|nothere
19:17 * praenti is eatinbg
19:20 * -> esden waiting for blindy
19:32 < esden> urgh I have to update the vim syntax file ... there were some changes ...
19:36 -!- jonath[away] is now known as jonath[an]
19:36 < jonath[an]> yo guys!
19:37 < jonath[an]> wie geht es dir ?
19:38 < huebi> re moep hi!
19:39 < huebi> esden: I just got a new t-shirt from england: On the front is writen: Perfect Guinness draught and onthe back
19:39 < huebi> ;
19:40 < huebi> Trust me, I'm a perfectionist
19:40 * huebi repairs the cvs now
19:43 < huebi> I won't use these again such a "with me you can do everything in one program" - Applications like cvstrac
19:48 < SMP> :>>
19:48 < huebi> hi SMP 
19:55 < rxr> esden: why did you got a Guinnes s t-shirt form england?
19:57 < huebi> rxr: It's me, ;)
19:59 < huebi> rxr: The boyfriend of my sister in law comes from London. We met 2h ago And he is like esden, ripclaw and me a big Guinness fan.
20:00 < huebi> hehe Schwiegerschwester = sister in law *LOL*
20:21 -!- sts- [~toor@pD951E5D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:22 < praenti> huebi: did you read my mail?
20:22 < huebi> praenti: no
20:22 < praenti> I've sent you a patch for the Puzzle script
20:22 < huebi> praenti: What did you write?
20:24 < praenti> the puzzle now generates the *.pz *.conf and *.desc in ext-config automatically
20:24 < praenti> read the last four lines or the patch itself
20:25 < huebi> you I do so later this night.
20:26 < rxr> huebi: ah sorry - yes it is you ;-)! I'm a Guinness fan , too - I only wondered why the t-shirt comes out of england ... ;)
20:26 < huebi> rxr: :-)))
20:27 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082B4DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:27 < tsa> re
20:27 < huebi> hi tsa 
20:28 < tsa> hi huebi
20:30 < tsa> hm....irgendwer mag mich wohl nicht.
20:30 < tsa> From: Fischek <fischek@web.de>
20:30 < tsa> Subject: fick dich du arsch
20:30 < tsa> X-Sender: 520074061173-0001@t-dialin.net
20:30 < tsa> interessant..
20:34 < rxr> esden: I can not access:
20:34 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/irclog/rocklinux-2002-04-19
20:35 < rxr> is there s.th. wrong with the permissions?
20:38 < huebi> tsa: Den solltest Du eigendlich recht einfach kriegen...
20:39 < tsa> huebi: hat leider keine homepage bei t-online hinterlegt, sonst haette ich in der .impressum.html nachsehen koennen
20:39 < tsa> naja, umd abuse@t-ipnet.de ist noch nie sonderlich toll gewesend.
20:40 < tsa> -d
20:40 < huebi> tsa: Well then you should use a cron job on a chinese mail relay host to fill up his mailboxes.
20:40 < esden> rxr I have to look at it when I am back home
20:41 < tsa> huebi: hehe.
20:41 < tsa> huebi: i guess that's not worth it.
20:42 < SMP> das ist ein Fall fuer 'Delete' und nicht abuse@  ..
20:42 < tsa> i'll probably send a $STD_ABUSE_MAIL to the various contacts and forget about it.
20:42 < huebi> tsa: but it's worth to find out how it works
20:44 < tsa> huebi: hm....shouldn't be too difficult. "DSmailrelay.in.china.cn" in sendmail.cf should do the job..
20:44 * SMP never gets hate-mail or Outlook worms
20:44 < rxr> hm the KDE-3.0 konqui is rather instable - it crashes 2-4 times a day here. The 2.2.x one was rock solid :-/
20:44 < SMP> thank god I'm so unimportant :>
20:44 < tsa> hehehe.
20:44 < tsa> SMP: if you feel alone, i can send you some ;-)
20:45 * huebi is dreaming about a hidden root account on a 2 GBit in wild wild china
20:45 < huebi> +line
20:45 < tsa> Subject: The perfect investement tool has arrived                               
20:45 < huebi> tsa cash money?
20:46 < tsa> huebi: no - investments somewhere in africa.
20:47 < SMP> huebi: bandwidth attacks don't work anymore - for the most part
20:48 < huebi> hmmm
20:48 < jonath[an]> re
20:50 < tsa> hi jonath[an]
20:53 < huebi> I have to find out how the tape buffer works. I can't get the tape streaming.
20:55 < SMP> huebi and his problems ... ;>
21:02 < praenti> huebi: what do you want in china
21:03 < huebi> praenti: I want to take over the world leadership of the internet or something funny like that ;-)))
21:04 < huebi> M$ without internet. Their spyware won't work anymore 
21:05 < huebi> But now I'm off. Having a Guinness. Cu later
21:06 < hackbard> have fun huebi!
21:06 < hackbard> with both, the beer and the world leadership ;)
21:22 < tsa> cu huebi, have fun.
21:26 * snyke reboot => Security-Update
21:26 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A77.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ("[BX] Tony the Tiger uses BitchX. Its Grrrrrrrrreat!")
21:27 < rxr> cool Frentzen is on position two (!!!) in the first free practice. Although it doesn't mean too much it is very great! ;-))
21:28 < SMP> 'too much' is greatly overrated ;>
21:30 < jonath[an]> how long time has passed since Mike1 left channel?
21:30 < rxr> SMP: especially noticing that the first 11 are in 9/10 second ...
21:30 < rxr> SMP: but anyway Frentzen is cool ;-)
21:30 < SMP> 17:49|  (!) Mike1 ~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr has quit
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21:40 -!- term_aweh [~pm@beaufort.wyzant.de] has quit ("later")
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21:52 < th> oehm... ypserv beim 1.4er rock?
21:53 < tsa> was ist damit?
21:53 < th> wo gibts den?
21:53 < th> welches paket?
21:53 < th> das is doch nicht nur ypbind
21:54 < th> ypbind-mt is nur ypbind, yptools hat auch keinen server
21:54 < th> ich bin verwirrt
21:54 < tsa> [tsa@azathoth /usr/src/rock-src-1.4.0]$ find . -name yp*
21:54 < tsa> ./ext-config/yp-tools.ext
21:54 < tsa> ./ext-config/ypbind-mt.ext
21:54 < th> meine nis-server laufen bisher alle auf solaris
21:54 < tsa> hehe.
21:54 < th> die beiden kenn ich aber in keinem is ypserv drin
21:54 < tsa> hm....noe, scheint aber sonst nix anderes da zu sein..
21:54 < th> vllt brauch ich das ypserv binary ja auch niht
21:55 < th> gabs da ne rock nis-howto?
21:55 < tsa> jupp
21:56 < tsa> soll ich es dir irgendwo hinschicken?
21:56 < tsa> ( Documentation/Archive/NIS-HOWTO)
21:57 < tsa> "Setting up a YP/NIS client under Rock Linux Mini-HOWTO"
21:57 < tsa> geht aber nur um aufsetzen von clients...
21:57 < tsa> hm....
21:59 < th> habs auch heir
21:59 < th> achso
21:59 < th> keine info ueber server?
21:59 < th> clients hab ich genug
21:59 < th> kein nis-server support bei rock ist natuerlich sehr schwach
22:00 < tsa> hm...jupp.
22:00 < th> leider keine zeit das jetzt rock-like zu machen.
22:00 < th> hier is ein uralt sgi als nis-server ausgestiegen und braucht nen linux eratz
22:01 < th> s,ein,eine,
22:03 < th> ypserv gibts jedenfalls bei kernel.org
22:04 < tsa> hm....was fuer ne sgi denn?
22:04 < th> iris
22:04 < th> lief noch ein 6.2 drauf ;)
22:04 < th> iris indigo
22:05 < tsa> uh....
22:05 < th> 477 tage uptime gehabt
22:05 < th> und musste nur den standord wechseln
22:05 < th> schade um die uptime
22:05 * SMP hat's irgendwie in zwei Jahren nicht geschafft, mal das 6.5 auf der I2 zu installieren
22:09 < tsa>  10:10pm  up 479 days, 43 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.29, 0.25, 0.19
22:09 < tsa> ha...2 tage mehr :-P
22:10 < tsa> dafuer allerdings auch x86.. p2-350.
22:11 < tsa> 2.2.16-22 #1
22:14 < SMP>  10:02pm  up 100 days, 11:21h,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
22:15 < SMP> + 497d wegen wraparound *g*
22:16 < tsa> hehe...nett
22:16 < tsa> uname -r?
22:16 < SMP> 2.0.38
22:16 < tsa> hehe
22:16 < SMP> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root         1549 Sep  6  2000 boot.msg
22:16 < SMP> hmmja
22:22 * SMP 's Indigo2 hat irgendwie nur 206d
22:22 < SMP> tsa: btw.:
22:22 < SMP> bogomips        : 24.93
22:23 < th> was sind pwdutils?
22:25 < tsa> th: hm....keine ahnung. ist hier zumindest nicht installiert.
22:26 < th> gibts bei kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/net/NIS/
22:26 < th> pwd wie password vielleicht
22:26 < tsa> SMP: hm....
22:26 < th> sowas wie yppasswd
22:26 < tsa> [tsa@azathoth ~]$ grep bogo /proc/cpuinfo 
22:26 < tsa> bogomips        : 1500.77
22:26 < tsa> bogomips        : 1500.77
22:26 < th> sowas wie yppasswdd
22:26 < tsa> ah.
22:27 < SMP> <0>stefanp@salem[~](521)$ grep bogo /proc/cpuinfo 
22:27 < SMP> bogomips        : 1589.24
22:27 < SMP> bogomips        : 1592.52
22:27 < SMP> ;P
22:28 < tsa> hehe
22:28 < tsa> p3-800?
22:28 < SMP> ja. hmm
22:28 < SMP> da ist ja noch der dual-1GHz ..
22:28 < tsa> 2x p3-750 hier..
22:29 < SMP> <0>stefanp@beans[~](501)$ grep bogo /proc/cpuinfo 
22:29 < SMP> bogomips        : 1985.74
22:29 < SMP> bogomips        : 1992.29
22:29 < SMP> hrhr ;P
22:29 < SMP> whoah
22:29 < tsa> auch nett..
22:29 < SMP> bully:~# grep bogo /proc/cpuinfo
22:29 < SMP> bogomips        : 2994.99
22:30 < tsa> p4?
22:30 < SMP> jo, irgendwie
22:30 < tsa> hm...wievielmhz?
22:30 < SMP> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1500MHz
22:30 < SMP> cpu MHz         : 1500.068
22:35 < rxr> to also contribute to this bogoimps posting:
22:35 < rxr> bogomips        : 2916.35
22:45 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A77.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux
22:46 < snyke> esden???
22:51 -!- Mike1 [mike@196.40.44.36] has joined #rocklinux
22:51 < Mike1> re
22:52 < praenti> snyke: is on the way home
22:52 < praenti> amd I#m sleeping
22:52 -!- praenti is now known as praenti_away
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22:53 < esden> hi all
22:53 < snyke> ESDEN
22:54 < esden> ja snyke ?
22:54 -!- snyke is now known as Kawaii
22:54 < Kawaii> HI ESDI
22:54 < Kawaii> *bussi*
22:54 -!- Kawaii is now known as snyke
22:54 < snyke> sollt ich ausrichten
22:54 < tsa> rotfl
22:54 * snyke foniert mit alexa ^^
22:54 < tsa> hehe...ach sooo...
22:55 < esden> lol ich wuerde mich ziemlich wundern wenn sie hier waehre ...
22:55 < esden> dass waehre die 2'te frau die ich in diesem channel sehen wuerde ..
22:55 < tsa> hm? wer denn noch?
22:55 < esden> die frau vom huebi 
22:56 < tsa> hm..bisher noch nicht gesichtet..
22:56 < esden> tja ich bin auch irgendwie bissel viel hier in letzter zeit gewesen ;-)
23:01 * -> esden reading 1.7 diffs ...
23:02 < snyke> esden: *fg*
23:02 < snyke> :))
23:03 < esden> new desc.vim avalable : http://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/vim/desc.vim
23:03 < snyke> :)
23:05 * -> esden has to patch misc/archive/burn-check-cd.sh for difforent cdrw speeds
23:05 < snyke> hm?
23:09 -!- kawaii [~kawaii@pD9502A77.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux
23:09 < snyke> hui
23:09 < kawaii> hui XD
23:09 < snyke> :)
23:09 < kawaii> cooooL!
23:09 < tsa> hm...
23:09 < snyke> :)
23:09 < snyke> :))
23:09 < kawaii> ^^
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23:10 < esden> kawaii: ???
23:10 < kawaii> esden???
23:10 < esden> hi !
23:10 < kawaii> wie war das mit du wuerdest dich wundern wenn ich hier waere XD
23:10 < snyke> :)
23:10 < kawaii> *knuddelwuddel* @esden ^^
23:11 < esden> du bist dass zweite weibliche wesen in diesem channel !
23:11 < snyke> hihi
23:11 < kawaii> hihi
23:11 < esden> *reknuddel*
23:11 < kawaii> *freu*
23:11 * tsa geht in Deckung..
23:11 < snyke> esden: nicht vom host taeuschen lassen :)
23:11 < kawaii> ich vermiss dich esden :_: (auch wenn das jetz doof klingen mag...)
23:12 < kawaii> hmm..
23:13 < esden> uii ... man sieht sich bestimmt wieder im bitz!
23:13 < kawaii> wie sich das anhoert :_: @esden
23:13 < esden> ich habe langsam dass gefuehl dass bchet hier rueberzieht ... kuennt nicht mehr ohne mich leben?
23:13 < snyke> *g*
23:13 < snyke> esden: NEIN
23:13 < snyke> also ich zumindest nich :)
23:14 < snyke> *knuddel*
23:14 < kawaii> ich brauch dich eben esden :_:
23:14 < esden> ich komme in den bchat ... ich glaube da passt dass gespraech besser rein
23:14 < snyke> ausserdem kawaii && ich sind ja nicht der ganze bchat :)
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23:28 < SMP> <- stupid
23:28 < tsa> you don't want any comments, do you? ;-)
23:28 < esden> SMP: why ?
23:28 < esden> SMP: I leave the asking ...
23:29 < SMP> <- stupid test
23:29 < SMP> aha
23:29 < SMP> /alias quit say <- stupid
23:29 < SMP> much better *g*
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23:34 < esden> lool
23:34 < esden> SMP macht glaube ich was falsch ...
23:37 < tsa> jupp, sieht ganz danach aus..
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23:39 < esden> re SMP 
23:39 < tsa> re SMP
23:39 < SMP> yeah
23:39 < tsa> next try? ;)
23:39 < SMP> Irssi 0.8.4 (20020313) - http://irssi.org
23:39 < SMP> success! ;>
23:40 < SMP> wow, the new version is great
23:40 < esden> hmm this is the same version I have ...
23:41 < SMP> have you used 0.7.any before?
23:41 < esden> no ... i started with bitchx ... and this in not a long time ago
23:41 < SMP> awesome thing. /upgrade is unbelievable
23:42 < esden> and I swithed to irssi month ago
23:42 < SMP> lets you change to a new irssi binary on the fly. stays connected etc.
23:43 < esden> SMP: that is really a cool feaure ... like the init reload 
23:43 < SMP> like what?
23:44 < esden> you can reload the init on the fly
23:44 < esden> at least under linux
23:44 < tsa> init u?
23:45 < SMP> I see
23:45 < esden> don't know ... debian is doing this .. when you do apt-get dist-upgrade ...
23:46 < esden> I have to read theis scripts to find out how they do this
23:46 < SMP> too bad the init processes I might want to re-exec are too old and don't support it :}
23:48 < esden> will see
23:48 < esden> should read the changelogs
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23:58 < esden> /sbin/telinit U
23:59 < esden> is re-executing the init
23:59 < tsa> which will do the same as "init u" ..
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