--- Log opened Tue Apr 30 00:00:26 2002
--- Day changed Tue Apr 30 2002
00:00 < tsa> holyolli: installier dir mal nen sshd auf der alpha..
00:01 < tsa> btw....huebsches hintergrundbild.. ;)
00:02 < holyolli> tsa: da is nen sshd drauf...
00:02 < tsa> hm...."ssh root@alpha shutdown" ?
00:03 < holyolli> und dann?
00:03 < tsa> weiss nich...du willst doch die alpha runterfahren, nicht ich..
00:03 < holyolli> wer schaltet die aus? wer macht die kabel ab? der sshd? ;-)
00:03 < tsa> wozu kabel ab?
00:03 < tsa> davon stand nix im anforderungsprofil..
00:03 < holyolli> wegen gewitter??
00:04 < esden> holyolli: lege dir dazu ne apc mit web interface zu ;-)
00:04 < holyolli> esden: da is ne apc dran...
00:04 < tsa> *seufz*
00:04 < tsa> dafuer gibbet bestimmt nen sshd-patch ;)
00:04 < holyolli> aber am netzwerkkabel, was quer durch das haus geht, nicht
00:04 < holyolli> maaan macht euch nur alle über mich lustig! ;-P
00:05 < tsa> au fein....lass uns ma die apc verdampfen...ich bring auch foto-dings mit..
00:05 < holyolli> hrmpf
00:05 < tsa> sieht bestimmt komisch aus..
00:07 < esden> jungs ich glaube der holyolli ist heute nicht in stimmung ...
00:07 < holyolli> :-P
00:08 < holyolli> *g*
00:08 < tsa> esden: meinst du? glaub ich nich...
00:08 < esden> hmm ...
00:09 < esden> ich kenne den holyolli nur aus dem channel also ich kann es nicht so beurteilen ... wenn ich ihn mal @#reallife getroffen habe und bissel kennengelernt habe kann ich es vielleicht besser beurteilen ...
00:09 < holyolli> esden: wir haben uns schon gesehen...
00:09 < holyolli> .oO(warum ignorieren mich nur alle?)
00:14 < tsa> so....fertig mit fon-sex..
00:14 < tsa> holyolli: du warst so gut wie immer ;-)
00:14 < holyolli> tsa: ich weiss *rrr*
00:14 < tsa> hehehe
00:14 < holyolli> tsa: aber die stelle mit "bück dich" üben wir nochmal, o.k.=
00:14 < holyolli> ?
00:15 < tsa> esden traut sich schon gar nicht mehr, was zu sagen...
00:15 < tsa> hehe...ok
00:15 < esden> nee ich hacke mommentan ...
00:15 < holyolli> tsa: ich glaube esden betet grad, dass wir nicht aufn linuxtag kommen :-D
00:15 < tsa> holyolli: das mag wohl sein.
00:15 < tsa> esden: oh...du hast nen kamin? *G*
00:16 < holyolli> *fg*
00:16 < esden> holyolli: ich weiss dass ich dich schon gesehen habe ... aber wir haben uns nicht wirklich unterhalten ... ich glaube ich habe dich nur damals angegrunzt dass du ne alpha hast und ich nicht ... und dass wars ... ;-)
00:16 < holyolli> jepp ;-)
00:16 < tsa> hehe
00:17 < esden> ach geh .. dass wird ne gaudi am linuxtag ... ich freue mich schon auf die billigi Jolt ;-)
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00:18 * tsa hat's letztes mal ja nich zum congress geschafft..
00:18 < esden> tsa: schaeme dich ! ;-){
00:18 < holyolli> tsa: weil du nix kannst(tm)
00:18 < tsa> irgendwie ins warme ausland verlaufen...weiss auch nich, wie das passieren konnte..
00:18 < tsa> ;)
00:18 < esden> huh was war dass jetzt ... ein kragen ?
00:18 < holyolli> tsa: opfer.
00:18 < holyolli> hehe
00:19 < holyolli> esden: was hackst du eigenldich?
00:19 < tsa> lol
00:19 < tsa> holyolli: holz.
00:19 < hackbard> fahrt ihr diesesmal wieder hin? bestimmt wa?
00:19 < tsa> gaaanz viel.
00:19 < holyolli> tsa: heisst du esden?
00:19 < tsa> holyolli: mom.
00:19 < tsa> ich such ma eben perso.
00:19 < tsa> hm...noe.
00:19 < tsa> sieht nich so aus.
00:19 < tsa> ;)
00:19 < holyolli> *g*
00:19 < esden> holyolli: ich habe gerade meinen 1.7 tree aufgereumt ... und upgedated auf den neuen stand ...
00:19 < holyolli> esden: intel?
00:20 < esden> holyolli: ja ... ich habe ja keine platte fuer alpha ... 
00:20 < holyolli> hehe
00:20 < tsa> hackbard: hm...so weit plane ich nicht im voraus, das klappt eh nie...ich hab erstmal linuxtag ins auge gefasst..
00:20 < hackbard> wann is der?
00:20 < hackbard> ich auch wollen *g
00:20 < hackbard> stuttgart, wa ?
00:20 < tsa> 6.-9. juni afaik
00:20 < holyolli> jepp
00:20 < esden> aber ich muss mich eh erstmal um den dietlibc target kuemmern .. und um die intel installationsdisketten ... dann kann ich mich erst ernsthaft mit alpha beschaeftigen ...
00:21 < tsa> neee..karlsruhe
00:21 < hackbard> wie lang braucht man da hin von uns, esden? und bedenke ich wohen etwas naeher :)
00:21 < hackbard> ohh
00:21 < tsa> ..wo auch immer das sein mag ;)
00:21 < esden> aber ich mache dann wahrscheinlich nur was fuer 1.7 ... du machst ja am 1.5 im momment ... ;-)
00:21 < tsa> holyolli: lass ma mit marc labern, ob der 2 personen linuxtag zahlt..
00:21 < esden> ich bin da nicht so schnell wie du deshalb ... ;-0
00:21 < holyolli> tsa: jo. gute idee eigendlich :)
00:21 < holyolli> esden: jo
00:25 < esden> == 01:25:47 =[0]=> Building base/dietlibc [0.16 1.7.0-DEV-200204291221].
00:25 < esden> > CC_WRAPPER: Can't execute '' -> abort.
00:25 < esden> grr 
00:25 < esden> ich weiss net was da faul ist ...
00:25 * -> esden dumm
00:25 < esden> naja ich kuemmer mich darum morgen
00:25 < tsa> noe... $CC_WRAPPER dumm..
00:25 < esden> tsa: stimmt
00:25 < esden> ;-)
00:26 < esden> ich werde damit morgen kaempfen
00:26 < esden> cu jungs 
00:26 < esden> schlafts gut 
00:26 < holyolli> n8 esden
00:26 < tsa> n8 esden, bis morgen..
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00:31 < holyolli> hi simon
00:31 < simon> hi
00:32 < tsa> hi simon
00:32 < tsa> hm....der karstadt.de-server ist immer noch dicht..
00:32 < tsa> ;)
00:33 < tsa> ...und sie haben es immer noch nicht gemerkt.
00:33 < simon> t-online hat wieder platte router..
00:33 < holyolli> warum sind dann t-online-user online?
00:34 < tsa> holyolli: es gibt grad guenstig RAM bei karstadt..
00:34 < tsa> _sehr_ guenstig.
00:34 < holyolli> oh...wie günstig?
00:34 < tsa> 512MNB EUR 1,88
00:34 < tsa> -N
00:34 < holyolli> *lol*
00:34 < tsa> http://www.karstadt.de/webapp/commerce/servlet/ProductDisplay?cache=0_2974&merchant_rn=2745&prrfnbr=1560769
00:34 < tsa> da..
00:34 < tsa> dauert lange, server ist dicht..
00:35 < holyolli> i c
00:35 < tsa> #herford hat heute abend mehr als 50gb ram da bestellt..
00:36 < holyolli> *lol*
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00:50 < Mike1> hi all
00:50 < hackbard> yo miguel!
00:51 < esden> soo wieder da aber von daheim ... ich guenne mir noch nen joghurt
00:51 < Mike1> hi Frank wie geht es dir?
00:51 < hackbard> gut miguel, danke der nachfrage!
00:51 < hackbard> i hope urfine too
00:51 < Mike1> hehe yes i am _REALLY_ fine thanks
00:52 < hackbard> currently doing extensions for gtk+extra, numerical python and scigraphica :)
00:52 < Mike1> hackbard hey way cool
00:53 * Mike1 working like a horse, looking like a zombie :(
00:53 < esden> Mike1=zombiehorse ;-)
00:54 < Mike1> esden hehe yeah
00:58 < esden> n8
01:00 < Mike1> n8 esden 
01:01 < holyolli> cya
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01:15 < tsa> hm...
01:21 -!- ripclaw [~ripclaw@pD9522DFE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
01:21 < ripclaw> hi all
01:21 < tsa> hi ripclaw
01:22 < tsa> "all" ist ein wenig uebertrieben, glaub ich..
01:23 < tsa> huebi ist krank, der Rest schlaeft..
01:24 < hackbard> denkste :p
01:24 < hackbard> hi ripclaw, hi tsa
01:24 < tsa> hehe...ok
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01:30 < ripclaw> tsa, hackbard: ich bin totmuede.
01:30 < hackbard> gn8 :)
01:30 < ripclaw> hab mirs grad eben mit meiner freundin diskussionsmaessig gegeben, und werd in den naechsten minuten einen coredump > swap machen.
01:31 < ripclaw> grub 0.92 is out, wenn einer von euch schneller sein will :-)
01:31 < hackbard> hehe
01:31 < ripclaw> ich packs fruehestens um 09:00h.
01:31 < hackbard> und ich benutz lilo *duck
01:31 < hackbard> bald silo :)
01:32 < ripclaw> ach ja, sparc page has been updated, die maschinen sind getestet und bis auf den karton fertig.
01:32 < ripclaw> ich muss nur noch die fütterung (styro) besorgen, die muss antistatik sein, und dann kann ich die dinger abschicken.
01:32 < hackbard> nice, apropos, auf eine seite darf man nicht rauf ..
01:32 < ripclaw> WAS ?
01:32 < ripclaw> link ?
01:32 < hackbard> jo, bin sie vorhinmal durchgegangen, mom
01:33 * ripclaw fires up netscape
01:33 < ripclaw> idle_wolf()
01:33 < hackbard> http://www.rocklinux.org/people/ripclaw/projects/ports/sparc64/doc/sun-current-patches.txt
01:34 < hackbard> das wars aber auch schon .. AFAIK
01:34 < ripclaw> die perm hab ich letzten sonntag geaendert.
01:34 < ripclaw> hmmm. 
01:34 * ripclaw dives.
01:35 < ripclaw> -rw-r--r--   1 ripclaw  users         393 Aug 16  2000 Build-CrossCC.readme
01:35 < ripclaw> -rw-r--r--   1 ripclaw  users         480 Feb 27  2001 Build-Stage.readme
01:35 < ripclaw> -rw-r--r--   1 ripclaw  users        1306 Feb 27  2001 Config.ripclaw-X-CC
01:35 < ripclaw> -rw-r--r--   1 ripclaw  users         391 Aug 16  2000 bootloader.readme
01:35 < ripclaw> -rw-r--r--   1 ripclaw  users        1439 Aug 16  2000 glibc.readme
01:35 < ripclaw> -rw-r--r--   1 ripclaw  users        3473 Mar 28 11:46 sun-current-patches.txt
01:35 < ripclaw> -rw-r--r--   1 ripclaw  users          77 Aug 16  2000 urls.readme
01:35 < ripclaw> read all.
01:35 < ripclaw> richtiger user.
01:35 < ripclaw> was noch ?
01:35 < hackbard> hmmm
01:35 < hackbard> kommst du drauf?
01:35 < ripclaw> probier mal statt sparc64 sparc - ?
01:36 < ripclaw> auf 64: nee ?
01:36 < hackbard> auch forbidden bei mir ..
01:36 < ripclaw> sparc: nee
01:36 < hackbard> hmm
01:36 < hackbard> komisch
01:36 < ripclaw> directory list is ok
01:36 < ripclaw> *.readme: geht
01:36 < hackbard> jo
01:37 < ripclaw> dir permissions sind ok
01:37 < hackbard> du hast sonst keien andere .txt druff?
01:38 < hackbard> mal so zum testen, oder bennen die .txt mal um
01:38 < ripclaw> ok, gotcha:
01:38 < ripclaw> nerd:/home/public/htdocs/rocklinux.org/projects/sparc/doc$ ll
01:38 < ripclaw> total 28
01:38 < ripclaw> -rw-r--r--   1 clifford users         393 Aug 16  2000 Build-CrossCC.readme
01:38 < ripclaw> -rw-r--r--   1 clifford users         480 Feb 27  2001 Build-Stage.readme
01:38 < ripclaw> -rw-r--r--   1 clifford users        1306 Feb 27  2001 Config.ripclaw-X-CC
01:38 < ripclaw> -rw-r--r--   1 clifford users         391 Aug 16  2000 bootloader.readme
01:38 < ripclaw> -rw-r--r--   1 clifford users        1439 Aug 16  2000 glibc.readme
01:38 < ripclaw> -rw-------   1 clifford users        3473 Mar 28 11:46 sun-current-patches.txt
01:38 < ripclaw> -rw-r--r--   1 clifford users          77 Aug 16  2000 urls.readme
01:38 < ripclaw> auf der kiste sind die perms noch falsch.
01:39 < ripclaw> hilft da ein move ?
01:39 < hackbard> hmm, no idea!
01:39 < ripclaw> move erzeugt korrekte perms.
01:40 < ripclaw> der chmod hier ging nicht korrekt rueber.
01:40 < ripclaw> bug ?
01:40 < ripclaw> testen, bitte
01:40 < ripclaw> komme drauf.
01:40 < hackbard> done, funzt!
01:41 < ripclaw> wer reportet den ?
01:41 < hackbard> komisch
01:41 < hackbard> jo, mach du mal :)
01:41 < ripclaw> das is n bug in maintain.sh oder rsync.
01:41 < ripclaw> *muede*
01:41 < hackbard> jo, ich kann ihm paar zeieln tippen!
01:41 < hackbard> schlaf du dich mal aus ! :)
01:43 < ripclaw> hacke grad mal die ls outputs in eine mail, den rest must du ihm schildern.
01:44 < hackbard> okay
01:44 < hackbard> bin mal kurz am fenster eine rauchen .. 
01:44 < ripclaw> deine mail addy ?
01:48 < ripclaw> hackbard: get esden to add you to the gallery list. i haven`t got your mail-addy on nerd avialable.
01:48 < ripclaw> i drop it cc to my work account and you`ll get the cc tomorrow
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02:03 < hackbard> i am off too, bye
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02:29 < tsa> n8
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02:57 < huebi_> moin
02:57 < huebi_> somebody awake?
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04:38 < jonath[class]> hi
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04:44 < jonath[an]> arggghh
04:44 < jonath[an]> Mike!??
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08:21 < esden> morning
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08:29 < martin_> Morgen Rene, denk dran, dass ich noch vor 10 Uhr vorbei komme!!
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09:05 < huebi> moin
09:05 < huebi> hmm tulip.o is broken...
09:05 < huebi> bbl
09:06 < esden> hi huebi 
09:06 < esden> und cu
09:06 < esden> bis spaeter
09:14 < rxr> re
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09:47 < tsa> moin
09:48 < huebi> moin
09:49 < huebi> schoen, schon ein paar Leute wach :-)
10:01 * SMP ist seit 5 Stunden wach
10:02 < SMP> lang schlafen und trotzdem frueh wach sein ist geil ;)
10:16 < tsa> hehe
10:16 < tsa> hi huebi, SMP
10:16 < tsa> huebi: was macht die gesundheit?
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11:10 < tsa> hi simon
11:12 < tsa> new libxslt, libxml2 released.
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11:20 < simon> morgen
11:25 < fake> hi everyone
11:26 * fake has to come up with a website testing plan
11:26 < fake> does anybody of you have something like this?
11:26 < fake> SMP?
11:26 < fake> your job includes s/th like this, rightß
11:26 < huebi> re
11:28 < huebi> tsa: Geht wieder gut :-))) Blitzgrippe mit Fieber ist vorbei
11:29 < SMP> fake: what's your problem?
11:29 -!- holyolli [~oregehr@rossini.marcant.net] has joined #rocklinux
11:30 < fake> SMP: i have to write a step-by-step guide to test a web application
11:30 < huebi> hi holyolli 
11:30 < fake> SMP: the problem is: i'm lazy.
11:31 < SMP> what does 'test' mean in this context?
11:32 < tsa> hi holyolli
11:32 < holyolli> moin 
11:32 < holyolli> hi huebi
11:32 < holyolli> hi tsa
11:32 < tsa> huebi: schoen, das zu hoeren..
11:33 < holyolli> huebi: wieder gesund?
11:33 < huebi> tsa: Das freut mich auch :-)
11:33 < fake> SMP: check that still everything works after the AZUBI messed around with it
11:33 < huebi> holyolli: Jo, ging mal wieder sehr schnell :-)
11:34 < fake> SMP: something like "check all links", "if you click there 3 times the server has to personalize..." blabla
11:38 < tsa> hm...._very_ innteresting, i guess... ;)
11:38 < tsa> -n
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11:43 < SMP> fake: I can't recommend anything in particular, but you might want to try these:
11:43 -!- jakotay [ringo78@xs3.xs4all.nl] has joined #rocklinux
11:43 < SMP> fake: http://www.pushtotest.com/ptt http://www.wiretrip.net/rfp/talks/cansecwest-2001/ http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=HTTP-RecordedSession http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=HTTP-WebTest
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11:47 < holyolli> fake: esden said that you have an addon for apache to shutdown nimba-infected webservers?
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11:51 < huebi> fake: have you got the Nimda worm itself?
11:58 < fake> holyolli: it is installed on _his_ server :)
11:58 < tsa> lol.
11:58 < holyolli> hm
11:59 < fake> holyolli: but that was back at HAL, i can't remember anything
11:59 < fake> too much input ;)
11:59 < holyolli> hehe
11:59 < fake> SMP: thanks! 
11:59 * fake *reading
12:11 < ringo78> I try to build rock but it complais about chksum err. da file seems to be ok. What is the best thing to do ?
12:12 < tsa> if the file is ok, you could change the checksum in the (.desc|.pz)-file
12:12 < tsa> you're using 1.5 or 1.7?
12:13 < ringo78> Trying to build rock-src-1.7.0-DEV-200204291221
12:13 < tsa> hm...ok, so th ecksum is in the .desc-file
12:13 < ringo78> thanx ! I'll alter it.
12:17 < tsa> btw....which package is it which has a wrong cksum?
12:21 < ringo78> Maybe I did something really stupid... When I downloaded file was not installed so I got many err. Quited Download installed file. Maybe that's the problem
12:21 < tsa> maybe...
12:22 < ringo78> I count 30 err. 
12:24 < tsa> hm....sounds ok for a development snapshot..
12:24 < ringo78> Great !
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12:33 < hack^uni> hi
12:33 < holyolli> hi hack
12:47 < fake> UT rulez, work suxx.
12:48 < holyolli> fake: *hmm* does this mean, you want to play ut now...?
12:49 < hack^uni> haha, eat my rockets :)
12:49 < hack^uni> ich dominiere mit der baleuen shock rifle, wenn ich daheim bin gibts aufn sack :-)
12:49 < holyolli> wir können es ja irgendwann nochmal versuchen ne runde zusammen zu spielen ;)
12:53 < fake> hoert sich gut an
12:53 < tsa> hehe....bin dabei.
12:53 < fake> nur leider is UT unter linux noch ein buch mit sieben siegeln fuer mich
12:54 < tsa> hm...wieso das? laeuft eigentlich aus der tuete ohne probleme..
12:54 < holyolli> <-- findet q2 schwerer ;)
12:54 < tsa> holyolli: hehe...
12:54 < tsa> dazu sag ich jetzt besser nix...du schafftst das schon irgendwann..
12:54 < tsa> -t
12:55 * huebi hat q2 mit aalib zum durchkompilieren bekommen :-)
12:55 < huebi> terminal pur rules
12:56 < tsa> hehe
12:59 < tsa> rxr: awake?
13:06 < holyolli> mv holyolli /dev/uni
13:06 < holyolli> bbl!
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13:09 * tsa running Download -all on current 1.7 snap
13:09 < tsa> only one cksum err so far..
13:21 < hack^uni> bei mir funzt sogar q3 gut! oder ist das auch einfacher ..
13:22 < tsa> hm....lief bei mir auch stressfrei.
13:22 < hack^uni> nur diese perl entpacker (fuer die umods) sidn bei mir scheisse lahm!
13:22 < tsa> ut, q2, q3. was anderes hab ich bisher noch nicht versucht.
13:22 < tsa> hack^uni: hm....geht eigentlich. was nimmst du da?
13:23 < tsa> <- xumod
13:23 < hack^uni> oh, wei heisst das .. ?!?
13:23 < huebi> bei mir funktioniert der sound noch nicht SB-128, sonst wuerde ich bestimmt mal wieder spielen...
13:23 < hack^uni> ich idiot habe auch gerade meinen gateway zu haise von hier abgeschossen .. da waeren sie druff
13:23 < tsa> hehe
13:24 < hack^uni> ich glaube irgendwas mit `ummod.pl`
13:24 < huebi> hack^uni: ich habe meinen heute frueh abgeschossen, war aber gluecklicherweise noch zuhause
13:26 < hack^uni> jo, und ich komm bis 7 uhr nicht heim .. glaube ich. das dumme ist, da kommen meine ganzen mails hin ...
13:26 < huebi> hack^uni: hast du niemanden zum rebooten?
13:27 < hack^uni> erst ab 16.00 meine mami vielleicht :)
13:27 < huebi> hack^uni: immer noch 2h30 ....
13:28 < hack^uni> jo, ich sollte vielleicht frueher heim heute :-D
13:28 < huebi> Da morgen frei ist, ist das eine gute idee
13:28 < hack^uni> hehe ;)
13:28 < tsa> hehe...scheisse, muss heute noch einkaufen
13:29 < huebi> Ich bastel gerade apache LAMPP fertig
13:29 * tsa quaelt mal grad das cvs-repository auf sf ein wenig..
13:30 < tsa> falls grad wer am 1.5 tree bastelt - neue libxslt und libxml2
13:38 < huebi> tsa: Danke. Ich werde heute abend und morgen wieder viel machen. Als erstes die Ankuendigung fuer 1.5.15 auf www.rocklinux.org. Dann alle Patches aus der letzten Woche und meine deploy scripte. Ohne die komme ich immer durcheinander :-(
13:39 < tsa> fein.
13:45 < tsa> so....2 cksum-errors auf sf cvs fixed.
13:46 < tsa> wenn rene jetzt auftauchen wuerde, koennt ich auch noch nen exim-fix loswerden..
13:52 < hack^uni> okay, denn geh ich mal was tun - see ya later
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13:59 < tsa> cu hack
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14:15 < netcrow> hi
14:21 < huebi> hi netcrow 
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14:35 < thalerim> hallo
14:43 < huebi> hi thalerim 
14:43 < thalerim> huhu huebi
14:44 < tsa> hi thalerim
14:44 < thalerim> hallo tsa
14:44 < thalerim> what's up with the cow?
14:45 -!- clifford [~clifford@M126P011.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
14:45 < thalerim> i hope she gets enough food
14:45 < huebi> thalerim: Yes at #AOL
14:45 < clifford> hi.
14:45 < huebi> hi clifford 
14:46 < tsa> hi clifford
14:46 < tsa> thalerim: from what i know, all cows you might have seen here have been eaten..
14:47 < clifford> huebi: what's a bout the 1.5/1.6 homepage?
14:47 < huebi> clifford: I start today and finish it tomorrow.
14:47 < huebi> Yesterday I was a little bit ill
14:48 < clifford> huebi: oh. hope you are fine ..
14:49 < huebi> I have to work till ~18h00. When I get home I start with it. Tonight the first page should be rsynced.
14:49 < clifford> huebi: great.
14:49 < tsa> hm...where is the master repository for extra1 ?
14:50 < clifford> About releases: let me know if I should put your 1.5.x releases in the releases/ directory on the homepage ..
14:50 < clifford> Also let me know if you want to see some files on the FTP servers.
14:51 < huebi> And I need some deploy scripts for the snapshots. In the moment I need at least 30min for a snapshot and I forget allmost everytime something ;)
14:51 < clifford> I can't give you permissions to upload stuff (it's not my server) but I can copy something from one of your servers ..
14:52 < clifford> tsa: there is no "master repository" for extra1. extra1 is just a directory maintained by rene (he sends me patches).
14:52 < tsa> clifford: i see...
14:52 < tsa> can you fix a cksum in exim?
14:52 < huebi> clifford: The best would be if you copy a directory from download.rocklinux.de. I'll send you the link if I know what I want.
14:53 -!- thalerim [~tobrit@pD958D9EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("ho chresim' eidos uch ho poll' eidos sophos.")
14:53 < clifford> tsa: yes.
14:53 < clifford> huebi: ok. 
14:53 < tsa> clifford: ok....cksum for config.samples.tar.bz2 is wrong. has to be 2155454581
14:53 -!- thalerim [~tobrit@pD958D9EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
14:54 < tsa> (interesting way of submitting patches ;)
14:54 < huebi> tsa: The fastest one with direct response :-)
14:54 < tsa> huebi: ack.
14:54 < clifford> tsa: looks like this chksum will often change. Maybe it would be better to set it to 'X' ..
14:55 < tsa> clifford: that's fine with me..
14:55 < clifford> tsa: done.
14:55 < tsa> ok
14:56 < tsa> all other cksums for base and extra(1|2) are currently ok.
14:56 < tsa> i've already fixed some cksums on sf cvs, will continue with that later..
14:57 < clifford> tsa: are any download-urls broken?
14:57 < clifford> tsa: (I know about lsof which I have updated today)
14:58 < tsa> clifford: i've donwloaded most stuff from the mirrors (gd.tuwien.ac.at is fastest for me)
14:58 < thalerim> tsa: i meant huebi's cow (Martilda *g*) living in his fridge ;->
14:58 < tsa> thalerim: oh...i see.
14:59 < clifford> tsa: that way you can't test the checksums. I download the packages and create the checksums. I also upload the files to the mirrors.
14:59 < huebi> For the download tests I usually use the original location in the net. Often that changes.
14:59 < clifford> tsa: A file with a wrong checksum _must_ have been changed on the original location or is not mirrored for some reason.
14:59 < tsa> clifford: hm..ok
15:02 < tsa> ok, here we go..
15:02 < tsa> $ rm src/Download-Mirror && touch src/Download-Mirror
15:10 < clifford> tsa: why not simply ./scripts/Download -mirror none ...
15:10 < tsa> hm...didn't know that option ;)
15:10 < clifford> ./scripts/Download -help
15:13 < tsa> hehe..
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15:16 < Be-El> hi ppl
15:16 < tsa> hi Be-El
15:19 * praenti hates the german teledummies
15:23 -!- hackbard [~hackbard@pD9523EC2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
15:23 < hackbard> re
15:24 < praenti> hi nackbard
15:24 < praenti> s/n/h
15:24 < hackbard> bin tatsaechlich fast nackt, ist so heiss hier :)
15:24 < tsa> hoffentlich hast du keine webcam...
15:24 < tsa> ;-)
15:25 < praenti> tsa: gleicher gedanke wie ich ;-))
15:25 < tsa> praenti: hehe ;)
15:25 < hackbard> creative webcamII *g
15:25 < praenti> IGITT
15:25 < hackbard> schlechte aufloesung :)
15:25 < praenti> lass sie aus
15:26 < hackbard> mach ich.
15:26 < praenti> so ne güllescheiße. wenn ich pech hab hab ich bis donnerstag kein telefon/dsl-leitung
15:26 < tsa> .oO( nein, ich pack die Axis jetzt nicht aus.. ;)
15:26 * Be-El stellt fuer praenti eine grosse trommel in den raum
15:27 < tsa> Be-El: hm...ich zweifle, dass er mehr als 2400 baud schafft..
15:27 < praenti> *bumm* *dada* *bumm* *dada*
15:27 < praenti> hehe
15:27 < Be-El> tsa: hmm...koenntest du recht haben....
15:27 < tsa> crc checksum failed
15:27 < tsa> ;)
15:28 < Be-El> gibt es eine formel fuer maximal-uebertragung in abhaengigkeit der groesse der trommelbespannung ? (und damit auch in abhaengigkeit der schwingzeiten ?)
15:28 < praenti> lol
15:28 < tsa> Be-El: ich bin kein physiker, wie du weisst..
15:28 < Be-El> und welches material nimmt da an am besten ? ;-)
15:29 < Be-El> und wenn jetzt noch jemand weiss, warum curl beim download ueber einen proxy am ende immer 2 minuten wartet waere mir richtig geholfen
15:30 < tsa> hm...keine Ahnung...ich hatte aber auch schon etliche Probleme mit curl..
15:30 < Be-El> *grummel* da haengt man sich extra an ne ordentliche leitung und dann sowas
15:30 < tsa> (aus irgendeinem Grung schafft es curl nicht, mir das howtos-Package zu ziehen...
15:30 < hackbard> koax?
15:30 < tsa> hehe
15:31 < Be-El> hackbard: ne, drei trommeln parallel geschaltet + jungen, knackigen trommel-schlampen
15:31 < tsa> hahaha
15:32 < hackbard> hmm, no idea was du meinst
15:32 < hackbard> :p
15:35 -!- thalerim [~tobrit@pD958D9EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("bbl.")
15:36 < tsa> braucht wer komische tischdecken?
15:36 < tsa> http://www.aldi-sued.de/noscript/index.php3?choice=produkte&tag=mo
15:36 < tsa> (unterer frame ganz rechts)
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15:38 < praenti> eau de toilette???
15:39 < tomik> hello all
15:39 < praenti> hi tomik
15:39 < tsa> clifford: next error found
15:39 < tsa> hdparm-4.8.tar.gz
15:40 < tsa> currently at 4.6, old version no longer available
15:41 < praenti> tsa: ahh. jetzt hab ichs gesehen. unterhosen = tischdecken. das ist mir neu...
15:41 < tsa> cksum for new version is 3222836894
15:41 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pc19.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #rocklinux
15:41 < bluefire> moin
15:41 < tsa> hi bluefire
15:43 < tomik> hi blue 
15:44 < tsa> clifford: just sent you a patch.
15:49 < clifford> tsa: just sent you an answer ..  :-)
15:49 < tsa> hehe...ok
15:49 * tsa stopping on grub patch
15:49 < tsa> ;-)
15:51 < tsa> ghostscript site is currently down.
15:51 < tsa> hm..
15:52 < tsa> same with iproute2 site...as always.
15:52 < tomik> :-)
15:52 < tsa> this guy definitely needs a mirror.
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16:13 < tomik> .
16:15 < Be-El> re
16:48 < fake> ..
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16:54 < blindcoder> hi
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16:58 < fake> hi bv
16:58 < fake> bc
16:58 < blindcoder> fake> sorry that I wasn't there @bitz last time >_<
17:00 < tsa> bbl.
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17:01 < fake> bye
17:02 < huebi> fake: by
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17:18 < esden> hi all
17:19 < blindcoder> re esden 
17:19 < huebi> Yes!
17:20 < huebi> SUN Germany called me
17:20 < huebi> I meet with them on 2001-05-07
17:21 * Be-El hands huebi a used time machine
17:21 < Be-El> but be careful....no warranty left ;-)
17:23 < blindcoder> *lol*
17:27 * blindcoder looks out of the window and thinks about abusing his inline skatess...
17:30 < huebi> They want to lend a BIG box (Blade 1000 or 2000 with at least one 900MHz CPU) for the Sparc port :-)
17:31 < huebi> Could be 2 1GHz CPU's
17:32 < huebi> Kool, SUN change their Linux policie
17:33 * huebi wonders why after use of Be-El's time machine he has a wooden keyboard ...
17:38 < esden> huebi: this keyboard is being called "natural" ;-)
17:38 < huebi> lol
17:39 < tomik> .
17:41 < huebi> We'll see, what will happen next week at SUN :-)
17:43 -!- cap [~cap@pD9048444.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
17:44 < esden> is clifford here ???
17:44 < cap> is rocklinux healthy?
17:44 < clifford> esden: yes.
17:45 < clifford> cap: no. but it's cool.
17:45 < cap> clifford, cooler than slackware? ;)
17:45 < clifford> cap: imo - yes.
17:46 < cap> clifford, why?
17:46 < huebi> cap: Of course. If you search for _the_ admin friendly distribution
17:46 < esden> clifford: could you make a more detailed description of the CC_WRAPPER variables ? or tell me where the code is that I should read to understand what they do ...
17:46 < clifford> cap: because our packages are (1) more up to date and (2) because of our build scripts.
17:47 < cap> so.. is there an automated source build system? like in gentoo?
17:47 < clifford> esden: misc/tools-source/cmd_wrapper.c
17:47 < huebi> clifford: http://www.rocklinux.org/projects/doc/GUIDE/ <- link is broken
17:48 < esden> clifford: thanks ... but a description would be not bad ...
17:49 < clifford> cap: it's not comparable with the one of gentoo
17:49 < clifford> cap: it's more like with the linux kernel. There are many configuration options which can be used to specify what kind of distribution you want to build.
17:49 < esden> clifford: ahh cool .. the code is all i need ;-)
17:50 < clifford> huebi: where is that link? (I've removed the dir some time ago)
17:50 < cap> hmm
17:52 < rxr> hi clifford!
17:52 < huebi> http://www.rocklinux.org/about.html : Check out the ROCK Linux Guide for
17:53 < huebi> cap: ROCK Linux Guide <- the link
17:53 < huebi> clifford: ROCK Linux Guide <- the link
17:53 < huebi> excuse me cap
17:53 < clifford> huebi: thx.
17:53 < huebi> clifford: pleasure
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17:55 < huebi> hi netti
17:55 < esden> clifford: ha ... there is a bug in the cmd_wrapper ... and it seems that it is currently lacking little functionality to be able to build the dietlibc target
17:55 < cap> i'm a slack fan. but think about switching to one of those debian/gentoo/rocklinux,  _if_they_are_better_
17:55 < esden> hi netti
17:56 < netcrow> hi
17:56 < cap> debian sux for some reason i cant explain
17:56 < clifford> huebi: fixed (on primary web server)
17:56 * -> esden fixing cmdwrap bug
17:56 < netcrow> esden, do you want to go to the pub tonight?
17:56 < esden> netcrow: I am in munich ... I cant ;-)
17:57 < netcrow> hm, will you stay in Munich?
17:57 < esden> netcrow: yepp
17:57 < netcrow> what`s there? ;-)
17:58 < huebi> cap: In rock linux you are fully responsible for yourself and for your linux you use. 
17:58 < huebi> Rock has only very few patches and is as pure as possible.
17:58 < clifford> esden: can you descripte thje cmd_wrapper bug?
17:59 < cap> huebi, thats exactly what slack is about
17:59 < cap> huebi, so being more up-to-date is not the problem, even with the crappy old slackware
17:59 < huebi> cap: And you deside what you compile/install and what not.
18:00 < clifford> cap: you can easily optimise for a special cpu. build the whole distribution with a gcc stack protection patch, etc.
18:01 < huebi> cap: no "klickibunti" configuration tools doing not that what they suppose ....
18:01 < clifford> cap: I ported ROCK to the PowerPC within only three days - and that was some years ago with the old (not so clean and modular) build scripts.
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18:02 < clifford> huebi: I don't think it very professional to call other distributions "klickybunti" - there are many potential users for Rotkaepchen Linux ...  :-)
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18:03 < freed> hi @ll
18:03 < rxr> i freed !
18:03 < esden> clifford: if I see it correctly then if you have CC_WRAPPER_OTHERS=":diet" (this is in dietlibc target) then the wrapper tryes to execute "" so it fails. I will remove all trailing ":" and all multiple occurances of ":" then all should be ok 
18:03 < tomik> hoj 
18:03 < esden> hi freed 
18:04 < clifford> esden: you could also use var_append() and var_insert() to modify CC_WRAPPER_OTHERS ...
18:05 < esden> hmm ... 
18:05 < huebi> clifford: I have in mind the config tools like yast or linuxconf which do not exact what they should do. Or the partitioning tool in Mandrake...
18:05 < esden> let me see ...
18:06 < clifford> huebi: sure - i know.
18:06 < clifford> but imo we can't win a flamewar against them.
18:06 < huebi> ok. I stop flaming ;)
18:08 < clifford> whenever a magazine tests ROCK Linux I have to pray that they don't write something like "unneceserry complicated, entirely user-unfriendly, it took we one week to install it because I'me a stupid looser". (And they often write something like that.)
18:08 < esden> clifford: in target/dietlibc/parse-config I have CC_WRAPPER_OTHERS="$CC_WRAPPER_OTHERS:diet" what is the difference to var_append() ?
18:08 < esden> I do not see any eee
18:08 < esden> ...
18:08 < clifford> esden: var_append() does only append the':' if there is alredy a content in the variable.
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18:09 < clifford> esden: having an empty field in the variable is simply incorrect.
18:09 < esden> clifford: hmm ok ... I think that is a faster solution ... 
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18:10 < huebi> clifford: You are right. I had very many disapointments with these easy to use tools if I had to do some more sofisticated tasks ( I wait for aspell included in irssi :-)
18:10 < esden> clifford: are you sure ... when I insert an empty field to $PATH it is ok ... so why should in not be ok in CC_WRAPPER_OTHERS ?
18:11 < clifford> esden: when you insert an empty field in $PATH it has the same effect as when you insert . to the path.
18:11 < clifford> esden: (and that can be a security problem)
18:11 < huebi> We definitly need more/better/simpler/easier to find/up to date/... documentation on Rock.
18:11 < clifford> huebi: yes.
18:12 < clifford> huebi: do you want to help me writing it?
18:12 < esden> clifford: good to know ... ok so I will not change the cmd_wrapper and correct it in target/dietlibc/parse-config
18:12 < huebi> clifford: Yes, I want. But I need, at least now, my time to get 1.5 stable
18:13 < huebi> I just work on an Oracle 8.1.7 Howto
18:13 < huebi> I just work on an Oracle 8.1.7 Howto for ROCK
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18:18 < huebi> http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/ <- Seems to be good. I have to test it.
18:25 < clifford> huebi: I'm writing the HACKING HOWTO which will cover the entirely build system. Some parts of it are already compleated.
18:26 < clifford> Pjotr Prins will update the ROCK Linux Guide.
18:27 < clifford> We will add an online-help to the config system and write a new script for creating the faq from *.faq files from various trees.
18:28 < clifford> The existing BUILD, BUIL-CROSS and INSTALL documentations will be replaced by one short README containing references to the hacking howto, config help, faq and the guide.
18:28 < clifford> .. that's my plans for the documentation ..
18:28 < huebi> clifford: What we also need is a easy to find/use online help after the cdrom has booted.
18:29 * clifford uploaded snapshot 1.7.0-DEV-200204301811.
18:32 < clifford> huebi: do you think one generic help is ok (the guide) - or should that be a target-specific help?
18:32 < clifford> huebi: since every target is a (probably very different) distribution ..
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18:34 < esden> re clifford 
18:34 < clifford> hi.
18:34 < clifford> huebi: what was my last message you have seen?
18:34 < huebi> clifford: One generic (mount the cd, partition your disks, use devfs... ) and a link to the distribution specific guide
18:34 < esden> [18:32] < clifford> huebi: since every target is a (probably very different) distribution ..
18:35 < clifford> esden: thx.
18:35 < huebi> cd
18:35 < esden> denada ;-)
18:35 * clifford hates this isdn reconnects after 6 hours ..
18:35 < huebi> uups : wrong window
18:35 < cap> lol
18:35 < ringo78> I get some HTML files in stead of the .bz2 (It says it has been moved). Must I chase it by hand ?
18:36 < clifford> ringo78: hmm - that's interesting ..
18:36 < clifford> .. i can download it
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18:37 < term_emu> re
18:38 < ringo78> This is what I get :download/sourceforge/gqmpeg/gqmpeg-0.13.tar.bz2.incomplete: HTML document text.
18:38 < clifford> ringo78: Ahh - you are not talking about the snapshot!
18:39 < ringo78> yes (you are right I suppose)
18:39 < clifford> ringo78: (you are talking about the package sources downloaded with ./scripts/Download)
18:40 < clifford> ringo78: welcome to the wonderful workd of the sourceforge repository!
18:40 < ringo78> I think I will just del the unnecary ones ... And Puzzle again.
18:41 < clifford> ringo78: no need to Puzzle in 1.7 ...  :-)
18:42 < clifford> ringo78: I would simply ignore the sourceforge tree. most sf packages are broken ..
18:43 < clifford> (that's why there are always those flamewars about sf on the list)
18:43 < clifford> fake: are you listening?
18:44 < clifford> ringo78: btw - the html file you are getting is the error message from the http server saying that the file you requested is not there ..
18:46 * huebi has now a script for building MySQL on ROCK. Will be a new extension soon. The old is MySQL extension is a litte too bloated for my needs
18:46 < esden> <offtopic>new flag USE_DIETLIBC</offtopic>
18:47 < clifford> esden: ??
18:47 < clifford> esden: do you think it would be possible to get binutils compile with dietlibc?
18:48 < clifford> esden: (extending dietlibc or patching binutils)
18:49 < huebi> clifford: How did you solve the problem with sendmail, owning /etc/passwd /etc/shadow ? I would like to add a configuration script to /etc/conf to add the users. also good for MySQL and apache (if you don't use nobody:nogroup).
18:49 < esden> clifford: hmm ... I do not want to do this in the first try ... I want that the targer first compiles so we get the install_disks running ... then I can try to get more parts of the target running directly on dietlibc ...
18:49 < clifford> huebi: it turned out that there was no need to solve the problem in the case of sendmail.
18:49 < esden> the other problem is that you can not compile dietlibc on dietlibc ... 
18:50 < esden> > bin-i386/start.o: In function `_start':
18:50 < esden> > bin-i386/start.o(.text+0x0): multiple definition of `_start'
18:50 < esden> > /opt/diet/lib-i386/start.o(.text+0x0): first defined here
18:50 < esden> > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
18:50 < esden> > make: *** [bin-i386/diet] Error 1
18:50 < esden> $root/var/adm/logs/0-dietlibc.out -> 0-dietlibc.err
18:50 < huebi> And the network configuration should be changed to localhost.localdomain instead of localhost.localnet. Sendmail needs localdomain.
18:51 < huebi> clifford: What was the reason?
18:51 < esden> so I will have to use this flag ... if I want or not .. or use other system to exclude packages to build using the dietlibc wrapper
18:51 < esden> ok ... I have to go now ...
18:51 < esden> cu all
18:51 < clifford> esden: that's because dietlibc (as every other libc can not be linked against a libc).
18:51 < huebi> cu esden 
18:51 < clifford> huebi: one moment.
18:51 < huebi> clifford: ok
18:51 < clifford> esden: WAIT A SEC!
18:51 < esden> clifford: yes
18:52 < clifford> esden: only the 'diet' application needs to be linked agains dietlibc (and that's afaik automatically done by dietlibc).
18:52 < esden> clifford: sure ... but how far is it helping me ... 
18:53 < clifford> esden: so you need to disable the dietlib CC_WRAPPER_OTHERS entry when building the dietlibc package.
18:53 < esden> hmm ...
18:53 < esden> good idea ...
18:53 < clifford> esden: do you extend CC_WRAPPER_OTHERS in target/dietlibc/parse-config ?
18:53 < esden> yes I do
18:54 < clifford> good - when this file is read, $pkg is already set. So you can siply check [ $pkg != dietlibc ] there for setting the variable.
18:55 < clifford> huebi: sendmail has two build config variables for user/groups: confGBINGRP and confMSPQOWN
18:55 < esden> clifford: and the same for other packages that do not work withe diet at the moment ?
18:56 < clifford> confMSPQOWN is the user who owns the spool files. This can be almost anything because the group is importand here (the applications are sgid - not suid). It's root in our case.
18:56 < esden> ok ... I have really to go now ... I will continue later ....
18:56 < clifford> confGBINGRP is the group used for spool files. we have already a 'mail' group which can be used here.
18:56 < huebi> clifford: So I have just to set these variables? Is it implemented in 1.7?
18:56 < clifford> esden: ..
18:57 < huebi> cu esden 
18:57 < esden> clifford: I will do it the way you tell me ...
18:57 < clifford> esden: just leave the others as they are for now. I will try to build binutils agains dietlibc ..
18:57 < clifford> esden: now you are allowed to go ..  :-)
18:57 < clifford> cu esden.
18:57 < esden> clifford: thanks master ;-)
18:58 < huebi> esden is assimilated...
18:58 < clifford> huebi: this variables are sendmail internal and are not importand for building mysql ..
18:58 < clifford> esden: may the force be with you.
18:58 * clifford is rotfl...
18:59 < clifford> huebi: the probably best way to do it is using nobody per default and change the permissions (and config files, if any) in the setup script.
19:00 < clifford> huebi: but a package update might reset the permissions if you do it that way ..
19:01 < clifford> huebi: so you need to define the functions 'setup' and 'update' in your setup.d script ..
19:01 < huebi> clifford: is there somewhere an example?
19:02 < clifford> huebi: no - afaik there is no packages which implemented this so far ..  :-0
19:04 < clifford> esden: if you are still listening: please send me a patch of what you have done until now asap so I can include it (release soon, release often).
19:08 < cap> wow, where did you get those sexy rocklinux chicks ?
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19:09 < clifford> cap: ?
19:10 < cap> http://www.rocklinux.de/bann-butt/pic001
19:10 < clifford> cap: that's one of my ex-girlfriends .. :-)
19:10 < cap> are they models or real rocklin-users?
19:10 < cap> clifford *g* wow
19:11 < clifford> cap: maybe I've done something wrong - she's a lesbian now ..  :-)
19:12 < cap> *rofl*
19:12 -!- Freak [~freak@pD9E39075.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
19:12 < Freak> cap!
19:12 < cap> hi Freak
19:12 < Freak> =)
19:12 < Freak> gotcha ;)
19:13 < clifford> cap: you can also see her in pic007 (and the sports-car in the background is mine :-).
19:13 < Freak> hehe
19:14 < cap> i think - now - i am really gonna try rocklinux ;->
19:14 < huebi> *rofl*
19:14 < clifford> *rofl*
19:14 < cap> no doubt..
19:15 < huebi> clifford: Do you use an embedded ROCK linux in the injection electronic of your car? *g*
19:15 < Freak> ok then have fun guys ;)
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19:16 * SMP still needs to REG geek-girl.de
19:17 * SMP wants to hang around on IRC with the hostmask I.want.a.geek-girl.de ;->
19:17 < huebi> "Feierabend" apache LAMPP works on Rock now
19:17 < SMP> (so much for that picture)
19:17 < clifford> huebi: no - the way I'm driving I can't trust any operating system whith more that a few 100 lines of assembler code.
19:18 * clifford will never by an BMW .. :-)
19:18 * clifford has a binutils linked against dietlibc ..
19:18 < clifford> that was easy - I thik i will send a patch to esden ..
19:19 < SMP> how perverse
19:19 * huebi is searching a BMW 740iAL or 750iAL, must be the long version, hehe
19:19 < clifford> SMP: yes. but if he doesn't keep me up to date I need to keep him up to date .. :-)
19:20 < huebi> clifford: lol
19:22 < huebi> but better the 740. It's not so heavy on the front axle and drives better in very fast curves.
19:22 < huebi> ok. I go home now
19:23 < huebi> cu later
19:23 < clifford> aaaaarg! updating the ftp server produces so much traffic that I my imap thru ssh tunnel times out. I need to install QOS (or upgrade my internet connection) ..
19:23 < hackbard> later huebi
19:23 < clifford> huebi: cu.
19:23 < huebi> what is QOS?
19:23 < hackbard> clifford: are atm updating the snapshot?
19:23 < hackbard> + you 
19:23 < clifford> huebi: quality of service.
19:24 < huebi> ahh, yes. Thank you.
19:24 < clifford> hackbard: no - i'm just keeping the ftp server (mirrors of download files) in sync with the latest snap.
19:26 < hackbard> okay, just asked cuz i wanted to wget the latest snap now ..
19:27 < clifford> hackbard: just do it - there will be no other snap today ..
19:27 < SMP> rule #1 for ROCK Linux Development: Clifford is always faster.
19:28 < SMP> rule #2: If he's not faster, he does it more elegant.
19:28 < SMP> ;)
19:28 < clifford> SMP: sure (what brings you to that now?)
19:28 * clifford *grin*
19:29 < SMP> rethorical question, I assume
19:29 < ringo78> Are snaps made daily ?
19:29 < clifford> ringo78: snaps are made I have time to make them (which can be 5 times a day or once a week ...  :-)
19:30 < SMP> And even on a New Year's morning!
19:30 < clifford> SMP: no. what brings you to that now?
19:30 < SMP> clifford: 
19:30 < SMP> 19:26| < hackbard> okay, just asked cuz i wanted to wget the latest snap now ..
19:30 < clifford> SMP: that's when I have time to do it .. :-)
19:30 < SMP> 19:27| < clifford> hackbard: just do it - there will be no other snap today ..
19:31 < SMP> so 'Clifford is always faster.' is a generalization of this matter.
19:31 < clifford> SMP: And in which way have I been faster or more elegant?
19:31 < ringo78> Yes rocklinux = really cool, works nice, and you get to know the system.
19:32 < clifford> ringo78: especially the last thing!  :-))
19:32 < SMP> clifford: hell, just let me get away with that! ;>
19:32 < ringo78> I love Unix ... It's great !
19:33 < SMP> It not great. It just the best around. And that's a shame.
19:33 < SMP> s,It,&'s,g
19:35 < clifford> SMP: You could use Plan9 ..
19:36 < SMP> someday I'll boot the VMware image ..
19:37 < SMP> . o O ( Hurd with a real GUI .. )
19:40 < SMP> . o O ( and a bit of VMS )
19:54 < SMP> hrmm
19:55 < SMP> for a moment I was wondering why I can't drag a filename from xterm into Opera ;-O
19:55 < SMP> time to go to bed. cu
19:56 < clifford> SMP: cu.
20:03 < clifford> Ok - I'm away now. cu!
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20:14 < aszlig> hi
20:14 < ringo78> hi  aszlig
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20:29 < cap> http://www1.rocklinux.org/releases/  <- doesnt work..
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20:55 < tsa> re
21:03 -!- blindy|abusblade is now known as blindcoder
21:03 < blindcoder> g'evening
21:03 < tsa> moin blindcoder
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21:30 < ringo78> netcrow ist wieder zuruck !
21:31 < cap> lol
21:31 -!- huebi_ [~huebi@pD9E1CB56.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:31 < huebi_> re
21:32 < cap> reh huebi
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21:40 < huebi_> hmm. something does not work with my screen session
21:43 < ringo78> What's da matter ?
21:43 < huebi_> If I reconnect I only get the first 2-3 lines and then everything is freezed
21:44 < huebi_> s/If/When/
21:44 -!- netcrow [~netcrow@p50803075.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving")
21:44 < ringo78> Was it ever working ? And did you alter something ?
21:45 < huebi_> brb
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21:46 < huebi_> now with colours again :-)
21:49 < ringo78> Are there many probs in 1.4.0 ?
21:51 < huebi> ahh, seems to be a problem with gnome term
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21:54 * praenti is back online ;-)))))
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21:57 * huebi burns the 1.5.14 on cd. New install for my compile biox is needed
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22:00 < huebi> Fixating...
22:02 < huebi> rebooting...
22:03 < praenti> esden: already here?
22:03 < praenti> blindcoder: do you know what esden do in munich?
22:04 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@pD902241D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Microsoft spel chekar vor sail, worgs grate!")
22:05 < hackbard> an option for Downlaod to delete all old packages if the new one is downloaded would be great.
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22:06 < praenti> hackbard: i'm thinking about that, cause i hate this also
22:06 < hackbard> we could try to make one ..
22:07 < praenti> hackbard: the problem is. how can i check if a file is old. ... mom
22:08 < praenti> you can check it against the INDEX
22:08 < praenti> but this is a very slow way
22:08 < praenti> anybody a better idea
22:08 < praenti> ?
22:09 < hackbard> well, we just ls the directory pipe it to sort and so delete the old one
22:09 < hackbard> my first thoughts
22:09 < praenti> but how you can sort out the old one?
22:10 < praenti> i dont have any experience with sort
22:11 < praenti> another way is to check the first letters. if they are the same than you check against INDEX and you have the old one
22:11 < praenti> forget it. i dont like it
22:14 < praenti> but you have the number of files in the INDEX for the packages. if you have more files than this number you can compare the files in INDEV with the files in the package directory
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22:15 < praenti> hackbard: what was the last line you read from me?
22:16 < hackbard> number of files in INDEX ..
22:16 < hackbard> okay, one doesnt need sort, as the lower number is listed before
22:16 < hackbard> but i forgot about packages having more then one file *g
22:17 < hackbard> ll
22:17 < hackbard> oups 
22:17 < praenti> ok. i try my idea. if it works that would be cool
22:17 < hackbard> yeah, i ll try sth too
22:18 < praenti> ok. the better will win
22:18 < praenti> ähh. for what version 1.5 or 1.7?
22:19 < hackbard> i would say 1.7
22:20 < praenti> ok. i dont know the 1.7 yet. but perhaps i can learn it knowing ;-)
22:20 < tsa> i really like 1.7..
22:24 < praenti> verdammt ich kann zu wenig awk
22:24 < praenti> in perl weiß ich wies geht
22:25 < tsa> was willst du denn machen?
22:25 < hackbard> was brauchst du?
22:25 < hackbard> :)
22:25 < praenti> grep /base/alsa INDEX |
22:26 < praenti> was kommt hinter die | umd die anzahl der zeilen zu lesen
22:26 < tsa> wc -l ?
22:26 < hackbard> wc -l
22:26 < huebi> wc -l
22:26 < hackbard> lol
22:26 < tsa> hahaha
22:26 < praenti> danach den output von grep parsen
22:27 < praenti> 4216544701 download/base/alsa/alsa-driver-0.9.0beta12.tar.bz2 ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/driver/
22:27 < praenti> 2370484213 download/base/alsa/alsa-lib-0.9.0beta12.tar.bz2    ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/lib/
22:27 < praenti> 3259724934 download/base/alsa/alsa-oss-0.9.0beta11.tar.bz2    ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/oss-lib/
22:27 < praenti> 0689093013 download/base/alsa/alsa-tools-0.9.0beta12.tar.bz2  ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/tools/
22:27 < praenti> 1952602092 download/base/alsa/alsa-utils-0.9.0beta12.tar.bz2  ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/utils/
22:27 < praenti> z.b.
22:27 < tsa> ah...sowas.
22:27 < tsa> while read blah ..
22:27 < praenti> genau
22:27 < praenti> da muss ich erst mal ein bißchen doku wälzen
22:27 < huebi> praenti: such mal auf freshmeat nach jdwhatsnew
22:28 < praenti> huebi: für was?
22:28 < hackbard> praenti: aber das wuerde ich eher an den package config files machen. wenn es ein config zu einem file gibt das man nicht hat ist es auch nicht schlimm
22:29 < hackbard> mit awk koennt eman sogar easy das file rausbekommen, aber genau die will ich ja nicht loeschen ..
22:29 < hackbard> sozusagen das komplement ... wei kann man das realisiseren?
22:29 < tsa> ich glaub du suchst das hier:
22:29 < tsa> grep /base/alsa INDEX | while read cksum file url; do echo $file; done
22:30 < praenti> tsa: könnte hinhauen
22:30 < tsa> wenn du den download/base/alsa/-kram noch loswerden willst, dann eben noch nen sed dahinterhaengen..
22:31 < praenti> hackbard: ich dachte mir das so. ein temporäre unterverzeichnis aufmachen alle files darein moven und zurückmoven von den files die ich darüber rauskrieg
22:31 < praenti> danach rm-rf temp-verz
22:31 < tsa> nen komplettes perl wuerd ich dafuer nicht starten, zuviel overhead...
22:31 < hackbard> hehe, guter workaround
22:31 < hackbard> muss aber doch auch eleganter gehen, oder?
22:32 < praenti> des stört mich a bissal an der idee
22:32 < praenti> moment und wie wärs wenn man so ne liste nimmt und da einen ls damit vergelicht?
22:33 < praenti> s/vergelicht/vergleicht
22:33 < tsa> hm....statt "echo $file" vielleicht ein "[ -e $file ] ...." ?
22:33 < praenti> dann kannst du die alten direkt rausziehen
22:34 < praenti> tsa: erklär mal was da der unterschied ist. ich kann kein bash
22:36 < praenti> hackbard: du hast recht. ist wahrscheinlich sogar besser wenn man es aus den *.desc zieht
22:37 < tsa> ich weiss nicht ganz genau, was du vorhast....aber mit "if [ -e $file ]; echo "$file already downloaded"; fi kannst du zumindest schonmal testen, ob das teil schon da ist, wo es sein soll..
22:38 < tsa> hm....statt "-e" lieber "-f" ....gefaellt mir besser.
22:38 < hackbard> jo, so mach ich es gerade
22:39 < hackbard> s,mach,versuch
22:39 < hackbard> :)
22:39 < tsa> hehe ;)
22:39 < hackbard> als mit dem .desc meine ich
22:45 < huebi> installing
22:45 < praenti> regexp sind schon zu lang her bei mir.
22:45 < praenti> ich kanns nicht mehr
22:46 < tsa> hehe, das kenn ich... ich bastel mir sowas immer aus lauter einzelschritten zusammen, wenn ichs sonst nicht hinkrieg..
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22:47 < praenti> tsa: muss ich auch machen aber dafür hab ich zu wenig zeit im moment
22:49 < huebi> cat ISBN 1-56592-225-5 > praenti:/dev/brain
22:49 < huebi> O'Reilly sed & awk
22:50 < tsa> steht hier schon im Schrank.
22:50 < huebi> hier auch, wird aber zu selten raus genommen :-(
22:51 < praenti> huebi: fett merci. werd ich mir kaufen wenn ich wieder geld hab
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22:52 * praenti hat heut krass erkan&stefan style
22:52 < tsa> huebi: dito....direkt neben "mastering regular expressions"....auf das trifft leider das gleich zu..
22:54 < huebi> was gut geht sind einfach noch ~10 weiter UNIX Admins mit ins zimmer zu nehmen und alle gleichzeitig zu fragen. Wer weis es am schnellsten...
22:54 < huebi> dauert maximal 1 min bis die Loesung da ist.
22:55 < tsa> hehe
22:56 < hackbard> so, zwar lausig aber sollte funzen, wer will testen :-D
22:57 < huebi> booting... :-)
22:58 < huebi> ahh, ich libe es wenn dhcpd und bind einfach nur funktionieren :-))))
22:58 < huebi> +e
23:00 < tsa> hehe
23:05 * praenti muss mal schnell in seinen router einbrechen. hab das root passwort verseppelt
23:06 < praenti> ich hasse löcher im hirn
23:08 < cap> lol
23:08 < tsa> hehehe
23:08 < huebi> habe ich gestern und heute auf der Arbeit auch machen muessen ;)
23:09 < tsa> hm...habt ihr keine doku?
23:09 < tsa> (offline, im tresor, wo auch immer..)
23:10 < huebi> boot cd tut's auch :-)
23:10 < tsa> hm...
23:10 < tsa> sofern es keinem was ausmacht, dass die kiste mal eben rebootet wird, ok..
23:10 < tsa> aber ansonsten...
23:11 < huebi> ich habe halt vergessen, der kollegin das Passwort mitzuteilen. Die merkt sich sowas immer sehr gut.
23:11 < tsa> hhe
23:11 < tsa> +e
23:12 < huebi> braucht auch nur ca 5-7 min. Windows user stecken das locker weg ;)
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23:12 < tsa> hehe
23:13 < tsa> auch wieder wahr..
23:13 < simon> sagt mal, hat jemand von euch schonmal den tls-patch für proftd getestet?
23:13 < huebi> Da faellt mir ein: Uebermorgen soll ich fuer den Windoofs-Admin mal 3 Platten testen. Jede Wette, das die nicht alle kaputt sind.
23:14 < huebi> das war mal der PDC, hehehe
23:15 * praenti back
23:16 < praenti> huebi: geht auch über lilo
23:16 < tsa> tls fuer proftp? sowas gibts? hm...
23:16 < tsa> warum dann nicht gleich sftp?
23:16 < huebi> praenti: lilo
23:17 < huebi> praenti: lilo: rock -b ?
23:17 < simon> weil proftpd viele schöne (manchmal überflüssige ;) funktionen hat :-)
23:17 < huebi> simon: vsftp?
23:17 < rxr> freed: still here? ;-)
23:17 < simon> v?
23:18 < praenti> huebi: weiß ich jetzt gar nicht. ich kenn ein emergency. ist alleerdings ein alias für init=/bin/bash
23:18 < huebi> simon: vsftp ist sicher. hat den 18C3 ueberlebt.
23:18 < praenti> als lilo: rock init=/bin/bash
23:19 < huebi> simon: oder brauchst du was anderes als anonymous download?
23:19 < simon> ja
23:19 < simon> :-)
23:19 < simon> virtual hosts
23:19 < simon> aber mal schön zu wissen das es einen sicheren anonymous ftp gibt..!!!
23:20 < huebi> und einfach nur apache?
23:20 < simon> da schreien die user dann wieder so...
23:20 < simon> der eine will ftp der andere ssh... :-/
23:21 < huebi> simon: lass sie schreien. verschluesselt ist verschluesselt. Die gewoehnen sich sehr schnell dran.
23:22 < huebi> ftp ist von Haus aus S******
23:22 < tsa> ACK. scheiss firewall-bauerei..
23:23 < simon> ja, habt ja recht :-)
23:23 < simon> tsa und wie!!
23:23 < huebi> als ich meinen usern das rlogin und telnet abgeschaltet habe, ging das hoch bis zum chef. Dem habe ich dann seine Sicherheitvorgaben gezeigt und nach 2-3 Wochen _wollten_ alle nur noch ssh
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23:24 < tsa> huebi: hehe
23:24 < thalerim> hallo
23:26 < huebi> das Einzige, was gegen ftp spricht, ist der etwas groessere Protokolloverhead von http. Da es aber verschluesselt sein _muss_, spielt das dann auch keine Rolle mehr.
23:26 < huebi> hi thalerim 
23:27 < simon> ftp und firewalls/"hide"-nat ist auch so eine sache für sich...
23:27 < simon> macht nicht wirklich spass..
23:29 < hackbard> praenti: http://hackdaworld.dyndns.org/files/projects/rock/Cleanup-Old <- das sucked noch voll, mach mal das es geht :p
23:34 < tsa> tmp-dirs solltest du anders machen: SOLLDIR=`echo soll-$$`; ISTDIR=`echo ist-$$`
23:35 < tsa> bzw. tmp-files
23:35 < thalerim> mktemp -p
23:35 < hackbard> das muss e weg, diff kann bestimmt aus stdin lesen
23:35 < thalerim> ja kann
23:36 < thalerim> sogar beide kanäle
23:36 < tsa> hm...wie das?
23:36 < tsa> kann doch nur einer von stdin kommen..
23:37 < thalerim> was ist das für eine datei?
23:37 < thalerim> ich habe hier ein verbesseretes Cleanup von 1.7
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23:38 < thalerim> zum mindestens in ausgedruckter form :->
23:38 < hackbard> loescht das alte packages?
23:39 < thalerim> hallocleanup the build env
23:39 < thalerim> cleanup the build env
23:39 < thalerim> shit
23:39 < thalerim> ich habe das mit ner anderen verwechselt ;-)
23:40 < thalerim> mom, ich schreib das script da grad um
23:41 < hackbard> joa :)
23:42 < hackbard> noch ein prob, zb bei alsa
23:43 -!- afrm-hck [afrm-hck@06-157.121.popsite.net] has joined #rocklinux
23:43 < afrm-hck>  i have a cheapbytes.com questions for anyone who has bougth there... after you buy something, arent you supposed to recieve two emails?
23:43 * praenti goes slepping
23:43 < praenti> n8
23:43 < afrm-hck> hello?
23:43 < tsa> cu praenti
23:43 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux
23:43 < Mike1> hi all
23:43 < hackbard> im diff werden die erst '<' rausgekicked und kommen spaeter wieder > rein. 2 pakete :(
23:43 < hackbard> yo miguel
23:43 < tsa> afrm-hck: i don't know....nevered ordered anything from them..
23:43 < Mike1> hi frank
23:44 < tsa> hi Mike1
23:44 < Mike1> hey tsa
23:44 -!- afrm-hck [afrm-hck@06-157.121.popsite.net] has left #rocklinux ()
23:52 < thalerim> hackbard: moment noch, ich bin ein wenig müde, hab jetzt erst begriffe nwas genaudas macht *g*
23:54 < huebi> hmm. /etc/conf/network hat, glaube ich noch nie jemand mit dhclient und nfsd/portmat zusammen getestet.
23:54 < huebi> dhclient probiert von lo eine lease zu bekommen. Geht aber nicht ;>
23:56 < rxr> huebi: doch tut alles - in drock ... ;-) 
23:57 < thalerim> hackbard: warum wird das da überhaupt mit diff geprüft, ein vergleichen der md5sums sollte doch auch langen, oder?
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23:58 < hackbard> huebi: dachte auch schon erfolgreich dhcp-client benutzt zu haben ..
23:58 < hackbard> thalerim: hmm, aucxh ne coole idee
23:59 < hackbard> hast du es niedergeschrieben ? :)
23:59 < thalerim> noch net
23:59 < thalerim> aber gleich
23:59 < hackbard> auf wohl cksums lange dauern koennen
23:59 < hackbard> wenn die pakete nur gross genug sind
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