--- Log opened Thu May 09 00:00:06 2002
--- Day changed Thu May 08 2002
00:06 < rxr> s.o. here?
00:06 < th> bis dann... SO is eingetroffen ;-)
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00:08 < tsa> ...und wech
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00:51 < holyolli> re
00:51 < rxr> hi
00:51 < holyolli> moin rxr
00:52 < rxr> Moin ;-)
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00:53 < chrisime> esden: jo!
00:57 < esden> hi chrisime 
00:57 < esden> and re hi all others
00:57 < holyolli> hi esden
00:58 < snyke> hi esden
00:58 < snyke> are you here?
00:59 < chrisime> esden: heh, hab mal die site gecheckt
01:00 < esden> chrisime: und ?
01:00 < chrisime> cool
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01:01 < drako500dB> hi
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01:05 < esden> chrisime: that is good ... that you like it ;-)
01:08 < snyke> esden: can you try to ssh to eros plz?
01:08 < snyke> because i always get an error
01:10 < esden> snyke: I do not have sholl on eros afaik
01:16 < holyolli> huebi?
01:20 < rxr> holyolli: is in his two metre ...
01:21 < rxr> which stage should be chrooted in 1.7 ?? > 2 ???
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01:21 < holyolli> rxr: ah....i just wanted to say that his cvs is probably down (or again a layer-8-problem at my side ;-)
01:22 * rxr tracking 1.7 wiredness ...
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01:29 * rxr haare-rauf
01:30 < holyolli> ./dcc send rxr shampoo ;)
01:31 < rxr> ./dcc mir lieber patches fuer 1.7 ...
01:31 < holyolli> hehe
01:31 < holyolli> <-- macht erst 1.5 zuende ;)
01:31 < rxr> <-- macht auch dRock ...
01:31 < rxr> ;-)
01:32 < holyolli> <-- hat ne freundin ;-Ü
01:32 < rxr> warum aendert Cliff immer so viel :-( u
01:32 < holyolli> ;-P even
01:32 < rxr> holyolli: ja das ist cool
01:32 < holyolli> rxr: naja...es bleibt weniger zeit fürn rechner ;)
01:33 < rxr> die koentest du mal ./dcc'en ...
01:33 < rxr> *g*
01:33 < holyolli> rxr: die kann zwar linux und so, wird dir aber wohl nicht bei drock helfen
01:33 < rxr> <-- haeete auch gerne weniger zeit  ;-)
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01:33 < holyolli> hehe  /* no comment */
01:34 < rxr> wieso dRock helfen ??? ;>
01:34 < holyolli> hrhr
01:34 < rxr> zum ersten mal waere CVS von Cliffs gehacke doch cool
01:34 * rxr downloading an older snap ;-)
01:34 < holyolli> hehe
01:35 < rxr> NNNNNNEEEEEEEEIIIIIIINNNNNNNN
01:36 < rxr> Hat Cliff alle vor dem May  6 14:57  2072k
01:36 < rxr> geloescht ???????????????
01:36 < rxr> Ich brauch nen aelteren !!!!!!
01:36 < rxr> gruebel gruebel
01:36 < holyolli> *hmm* save often, save early, make backups ;-)
01:37 < rxr> ich downloade die snaps nie ...
01:37 < rxr> bei imr rennt immer ./scripts/Update-Src ...
01:38 < holyolli> ah
01:38 < holyolli> whatever.../me muss nu schlafen gehn
01:38 < rxr> (in nem seperatem tree denn ich dann mit nem Sync tool merge ...)
01:38 < holyolli> n8ti
01:38 < rxr> cu
01:38 < holyolli> viel erfolg noch :)
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03:07 < rxr> hi
03:07 < aszlig> hi
03:11 < rxr> i'm off now - n8
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04:40 < hackbard> bye
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05:49 < d3mian> hola
05:49 < d3mian> :)
05:54 < d3mian> esden: still here?
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05:57 < d3mian> hi l_9_l
05:57 < d3mian> jarod
05:57 < l_9_l> hi..
05:58 < l_9_l> wondering coz loggin as a root.. :) ,i've just finished installing ROCK
05:58 < d3mian> excelent
05:58 < d3mian> mom
05:59 < l_9_l> i thought that it will be a nightmare..in contrast--has installed smoothly without any problem at all..
06:00 < l_9_l> d3mian:r u a developer?
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06:04 < d3mian> it sounds fibe l_9_l 
06:04 < d3mian> s/fibe/fine
06:05 < d3mian> no, im not
06:05 < d3mian> what release did u install?
06:08 < l_9_l> 1.4
06:08 < d3mian> ahh, ic
06:09 < d3mian> it is cool
06:09 < l_9_l> nothing at all
06:10 < l_9_l> just the net-script didn't work..if configured it manually..
06:12 < d3mian> why dont?
06:12 < d3mian> what message or prob did u get?
06:13 < l_9_l> it didn't modpobes the module of my nic and the setting of the network..though i've done them during the installation..
06:15 < d3mian> umm
06:15 < d3mian> u should insmod ur nic by hand
06:16 < d3mian> but the net config should work, obviously u cant dispose of the net if the right modules has not been loaded
06:16 < l_9_l> i did..but at least i dont have to configure the settings of the network again..coz i'd already configured them during the setup
06:16 < l_9_l> but it works now.. :) i'm on rock for the first time! :)
06:16 < d3mian> ur right, if the script run fine
06:17 < d3mian> that's great :)
06:17 < d3mian> im glad to hear that
06:18 < l_9_l> i will invite my friends to use it..
06:19 < l_9_l> btw..is there any counter of the rock's users?
06:19 < l_9_l> * for the *
06:21 < l_9_l> nice to meet u d3mian..c u later..
06:27 < d3mian> hehe
06:27 < d3mian> cool
06:28 < d3mian> there is no a counter, i guess
06:28 < d3mian> cu
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07:06 < d3mian> arrgg, irc-openproject is not so gut as i though once
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07:27 < d3mian> hi snyke
07:38 < huebi> good morning
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07:42 < d3mian> morning huebi 
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09:18 < d3mian> welcome back huebner
09:19 * d3mian enjoys programming with cool music :)
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09:35 < anders_> morning ppl
09:35 < d3mian> good morning anders_ 
09:36 < anders_> d3mian: :)
09:53 < anders_> hmmmm...
09:54 < anders_> I decided to do something yesterday.. To pull in all the 'unknown' signatures GPG keys to my keyfiles..
09:55 < anders_> It takes a loooooong time to list all the signatures of all the key-files..
09:55 < anders_> and my keyring is only about 2MB..
09:57 < d3mian> hehe
10:00 < anders_> gpg is chewing a fair bit of CPU as well, just listing the sigs..
10:02 < anders_> so far, about 5000 unknown signatures...
10:02 * anders_ really need a bigger disk..
10:05 < d3mian> and i need one to build rock
10:06 < anders_> d3mian: been there, had that problem..
10:06 < anders_> :)
10:07 < anders_> I got hold of a 20GB IBM IDE disk, it was big enough to hold the stuff needed.. That box is currently in Sweden though.. I have to move it back here to UK soon..
10:09 < blindcoder> good morning everyone *yawns*
10:10 < d3mian> good murning blindcoder 
10:10 < d3mian> well, my hd just has 10Gb, and 2 of them are shared with uni
10:11 < anders_> re blindcoder 
10:11 < anders_> d3mian: you should be able to get hold of 60GB IDE disks reasonably cheap now..
10:11 < anders_> lemme check what they are here in UK..
10:12 < d3mian> ahh, u are from UK!
10:12 < d3mian> im from costa rica
10:13 < anders_> Aahh.. :)
10:13 < d3mian> nowadays, there is a bit of difference in the price of 30 and 60 gbytes
10:14 < anders_> In UK, a 60GB UDMA133 Maxtor is 103 UKP, and a Samsung 60GB UDMA100 is 80 UKP
10:14 < d3mian> ohh, ic 
10:14 < anders_> d3mian: it is starting to be difficult finding disks smaller than 40GB here..
10:15 < d3mian> well, here still there are 20Gb HDs
10:16 < d3mian> brb -> delivering a lot of yellow liquid
10:16 < anders_> A 40GB Western Digital UDMA100 is 65 UKP
10:17 < anders_> http://www.dabs.com
10:24 < d3mian> i have a wd hd
10:24 < d3mian> udma100
10:25 < d3mian> a 60 hd here, cost around 100 bill gates dollars
10:25 < anders_> Western Digital is alright.. I'd prefer Seagate or Fujitsu though.. 
10:25 < d3mian> i prefer Segate too ;)
10:27 < anders_> I prefer SCSI to IDE, but cost means I can't afford SCSI..
10:28 < d3mian> yes, me too
10:28 < d3mian> even i love scsi devices
10:36 < anders_> Perhaps I can afford more SCSI things next year.
10:36 < d3mian> why next year?
10:38 < anders_> to much things to get this year.. moving house, having to get a new car... :-(
10:38 < d3mian> ic, well, my prob is studying and not enough time to get a full time job
10:43 < anders_> d3mian: that usually prevents you from doing quite a lot of interesting stufff..
10:43 < anders_> -f
10:45 < d3mian> i know
10:45 < d3mian> i hope finish this semestre soon!!
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11:10 < blindcoder> is the kernel on the install-disks the same one as the installed kernel? I need framebuffer on my system
11:12 < d3mian> blindcoder: yes
11:12 < d3mian> i guess
11:14 < blindcoder> thanks ;) then i can (finally) install ROCK on my workstation today ;)
11:15 < d3mian> cool
11:15 < d3mian> l_9_l did it a few hours ago too
11:15 < blindcoder> I've been busy customizing 1.5.14 for 4 weeks now
11:16 < d3mian> ok
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11:18 < d3mian> hi simon 
11:19 < blindcoder> hi simon 
11:55 < d3mian> is too late here
11:55 < d3mian> :(
12:01 < snyke_>  
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12:18 < d3mian> hello snike
12:19 < d3mian> what a lot of ppl
12:19 < d3mian> hi all
12:19 < blindcoder> re-hi
12:20 * blindcoder  currently bruning away lots of stuff from his harddisk that can't be backed up on another computer...
12:26 < praenti> moin
12:26 < blindcoder> moin praenti 
12:27 < snyke> praenti?
12:28 < d3mian> hi boys
12:29 < d3mian> praenti: what about ur plan to come to Costa Rica with esden?
12:31 < praenti> d3mian: seems to be a problem for me. for esden it is more important to make a itanium-port in summer with armijn somewhere in holland
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12:31 < praenti> d3mian: and i need monay because of my damaged notebook
12:31 < praenti> s/monay/money
12:31 < d3mian> umm, ic
12:32 < d3mian> well, if u think u can come here some time, advise us
12:32 < praenti> d3mian: i will.
12:32 < d3mian> ur welcome here
12:33 < d3mian> :)
12:34 < esden> morgaehhhhhn
12:34 < d3mian> ohh, time passes to fast, it's 04:31 here
12:34 < esden> morning
12:34 < d3mian> morning esden
12:36 < snyke> hmmm
12:36 < snyke> can sb. tell me what i've to do?
12:36 < snyke> tar: can't open /dev/sa0 : Device not configured
12:36 < d3mian> esden: where might i send u the summary?
12:36 < snyke> o.o
12:37 < praenti> snyke: what option doi you give tar
12:37 < snyke> -c
12:38 < d3mian> -C
12:38 < snyke> hmm
12:39 < snyke> --create also doesn't work
12:39 < snyke> >_<
12:40 < praenti> snyke: tar cvf *.tar directory
12:40 < d3mian> umm
12:42 < d3mian> esden !
12:42 < esden> hmm irneresting ... on lkml come patches for hotplug cpu's 
12:43 < esden> d3mian: send it to esden@rocklinux.net
12:43 < d3mian> ok
12:43 < esden> d3mian: send it to esden@rocklinux.org !!!
12:46 < d3mian> sent
12:47 < snyke> thx @ praenti 
12:47 < esden> d3mian: there is no attachment ...
12:47 < d3mian> umm, let me check
12:48 < d3mian> check it again esden 
12:48 < esden> now it is ok
12:48 < d3mian> :)
12:49 < d3mian> is it fine?
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12:50 < d3mian> hi ringo78 
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12:58 < blindcoder> back
13:00 < snyke> re blindcoder 
13:01 < d3mian> i have to leave now
13:02 < blindcoder> bye d3mian 
13:02 < d3mian> i reach to see the sun shining
13:02 < ringo78> bye d3mian
13:02 < d3mian> :p
13:02 < d3mian> bye
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13:10 < term_aweh> hoi
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13:28 < hackbard> hi
13:45 < rxr> re
13:50 < hackbard> puh, finally got the install shell extraxting packages on my old broken pentium 60
13:51 < hackbard> i would suggest to not have this ide bugfix stuff in the install kernel 
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13:58 < netcrow> hi
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14:10 < hackbard> rxr: do you know anything new about the u5's ?
14:12 < rxr> hi hackbard 
14:13 < rxr> hackbard: I now they are delayed
14:13 < hackbard> hi rene
14:13 < hackbard> delayed=given to POST?
14:16 < rxr> hackbard: no idea ...
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14:19 * huebi reading log...
14:19 < rxr> moin huebi 
14:22 < rxr> hackbard: should get a U5, too?
14:23 < rxr> ah yes - I remeber ...
14:23 < rxr> ah kdelibs-3.0.1 is ready ;-)
14:25 < huebi> moin! all together :-)
14:25 < hackbard> moin huebi!
14:26 < hackbard> rxr: jo, wollte sie dir doch sogar zuerts ueberlassen, bevor miguel abgesprungen ist :p
14:26 < hackbard> apropos kdelibs, ich habe es bis heute noch nicht geschafft das prog zu bauen ;)
14:26 < rxr> warum nicht (kdelibs)?
14:27 < rxr> : /.:AbiWord is small and compact (20 times smaller than OpenOffice!),
14:27 < rxr> super und 1/20 der funktionalitaet ...
14:27 < hackbard> hehe
14:28 < rxr> (wenn ueberhaupt ...)
14:28 < hackbard> schon wieder vergessen, lann es spaeter mal nochmal probieren ..
14:28 < esden> next version of rolling rock irc summary is out : http://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/rollingrock/rollingrock.1
14:28 < hackbard> hi esden!
14:31 < rxr> esden: sieht gut aus!
14:31 < rxr> Aber ein Satz: Although and Cliff said it would be pretty dirty.
14:31 < rxr> ??
14:31 < rxr> (Ich ueberfliege gerade nur ... :-)
14:33 < rxr> so kde-3.0.1 ist jetzt auf meiner box ...
14:33 < huebi> Ich habe gerade mit ripclaw gesprochen:
14:34 < huebi> Die Ultra 5en gehen fruehestens am Montag bei ihm raus :-)
14:35 < rxr> ooooooohhhhhhhhhh ::-((((((
14:35 < hackbard> hehe :)
14:36 < huebi> rxr: Hast du irgendwo deine Quellen fuer mich zugaenglich?
14:36 < esden> rxr: hmm ... dass ist nich fertig dass ding ... dass ist nur ein vorschlag wie man sowas machen kann
14:36 < rxr> huebi: du weisst das es das offiziel erst in ner woche gibt ;-)
14:36 < esden> rxr: dass ist echt sehr zeitaufwendig ...
14:37 < esden> da muss ich mir ueberlegen wie ich die zeit der bearbeitung kuerzen kann
14:37 < rxr> esden: ich weiss! Ich finde es ja auch super! Mir ist nur der eine Satz aufgefallen ;-) ...
14:37 < huebi> rxr: Macht nichts. I ch meinte auch eher deinen rock tree
14:37 < rxr> huebi: ? Souce oder packete?
14:38 < rxr> fuer cut'n paste von packet configurationen ?
14:38 < huebi> source, also .ext .pz ...
14:38 < rxr> ah
14:38 < rxr> was moechtest du denn? rsync ftp/http zum browsen ?
14:39 < huebi> ftp ist gut
14:41 < rxr> ok - in progress
14:41 < huebi> rxr: danke
14:46 * rxr rsync rennt
14:47 < rxr> http://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/source/
14:47 < rxr> ftp://drocklinux.dyndns.org/drock/source/
14:47 < rxr> suchst du gerade was bestimmtes?
14:51 < huebi> rxr: Im Moment nicht. Aber es ist oft sehr hilfreich wenn irgend etwas nicht funktioniert, mal bei Dir nach zu sehen.
14:52 < rxr> ;-)
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14:58 < huebi> hi tomik 
14:58 < tomik> hello huebi 
15:22 * rxr compiling kde-3.0.1 ...
15:23 * huebi installing rock on Ultra 30
15:24 * rxr wuere auch gerne ...
15:26 < huebi> rxr: You can get your U5 with ROCKlinux preinstalled.
15:28 < huebi> rxr: If you want..
15:29 < huebi> ahh. set-defaults in OBP makes miracles become true
15:30 < rxr> huebi: no ;-)
15:30 < rxr> Thanks
15:30 < huebi> rxr: You don't want it? really?
15:31 < huebi> why?
15:32 < rxr> because I wnat to figure out how to install it myself ...
15:33 < huebi> hmm. The non written or forgotten tricks a on that disk...
15:33 < huebi> but you can erase it.
15:33 < huebi> of course
15:42 < rxr> heisst Cliffs asci-art von letzer nacht das er heute unterwegs ist ? :-(
15:42 < huebi> http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/files/cowsay_3.03.orig.tar.gz
15:43 < huebi> rxr: jo
15:43 < rxr> :-( shit - dann muss ich 1.7 wohl selber zu ende fixen ...
15:43 * huebi now has advertise banners
15:43 < huebi> ;) 
15:43 < huebi> rxr: Vile Spass und Erfolg
15:44 < rxr> where are your advertise banners ?
15:45 < rxr> huebi: btw: Do you know where I can disable Apache's filename lengh limiting for directory browsing? I have not found this yet ...
15:47 < huebi> no, I don't.
15:48 < huebi> 15:42 < huebi> http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/files/cowsay_3.03.orig.tar.gz <- advertise banner ;)
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16:10 < huebi> I testet the version of the Open Boot Prom. It's ok.
16:10 < huebi> SMP: Are you here?
16:11 < SMP> yes.
16:11 < SMP> (_don't ask about world)
16:11 < huebi> kool
16:12 < huebi> SMP: No I don't. I first ping the world before I ask.
16:12 < huebi> hmm. I forgot what I wanted to ask. Excuse me, please.
16:13 < SMP> hehe ;)
16:15 < huebi> SMP: I still have another 4 SCSI disks of the sort you got...
16:15 < huebi> SMP: Could you boot your SGI from the Pioneer CDRON? <- That was the Question.
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16:15 < SMP> ahh
16:16 < SMP> no, the drive can't (physically) read the boot cdrom
16:16 < SMP> the cdrom works with other drives
16:16 < SMP> and the drive of course works with other cdroms
16:16 < SMP> :-(
16:17 < huebi> SMP: If you use the CD-Rom on your SGI you can't boot from it?
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16:24 < SMP> no, obviously not
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17:17 * rxr needs a faster box again ;-)
17:17 < huebi> rxr: E15K?
17:18 < rxr> for example ;-)
17:19 < rxr> but a dual Athlon 2.5 GHz would also be a nice step forward ;-)
17:19 < huebi> rxr: better a few Origin 3800. They will last at least a few weeks.
17:20 < huebi> rxr: If you bye 5 of them SGI will double it's "Umsatz"
17:22 < praenti> re
17:24 < rxr> huebi: yeah they would be really cool - could you find a sponsor ? *g*
17:26 < huebi> rxr: Much cheaper it is to find one somewhere in the internet. With open root account. You have full support. And if it's on the other side of the earth you can use it the whole day while your service team is sleeping.
17:46 < rxr> so kde libs and base finished
18:06 < praenti> so etz hab ich keinen bock mehr zu patchen
18:07 < huebi> praenti: Was geht ab? ;-)
18:07 < praenti> nix. bloß ich bin die letzten Tage nur am patchen gewesen. schon ins changelog vom cvs reingeschaut?
18:08 < praenti> ich hoffe mal dass ich den rest dann morgen schaffe.
18:08 * praenti will am samstag compilen
18:08 < huebi> praenti:  mach' ich sobald die U30 ihr rock linux installiert.
18:09 < praenti> huebi: die trottel bei sf haben nämlich direkte downloads gesperrt. jetzt muss man mirror benutzen...
18:10 < huebi> hmm. Echte Bandbreitengeizhaelse. Die haben wohl richtig schlecht Vertraege...
18:10 < huebi> +e
18:16 < praenti> und drin
18:17 < huebi> praenti: ??
18:17 < praenti> ca. 70% von den exts downloaden wieder
18:17 < huebi> praenti: Super, gute Aktion von dir.
18:17 < huebi> Ich mache sofort mal ein ChangeLog
18:18 < praenti> im base waren auch ein paar. ich hoffe mal die portierer keine neuen patches brauchen.
18:18 < praenti> ...dass...
18:24 < praenti> wau. das is ja ein richtiger batzen gewesen
18:24 < huebi> Changelog ist da
18:24 < rxr> praenti: hast du ein script dafuer benutzt ?
18:24 < praenti> habs gelesen.
18:24 < praenti> rxr: was für ein script?
18:25 < rxr> zum konvertieren der download URLs
18:25 < praenti> rxr: für die sf-downloads?
18:25 < rxr> jups
18:25 < praenti> rxr: hast du eins?
18:25 < rxr> ?
18:25 < rxr> ich wollte das doch jetzt ovn dir bekommen *g*
18:26 < huebi> *lol*
18:26 < rxr> sed -e "bla bla " sollte doch ausreichen ... ?
18:26 < praenti> aso. nee da bin ich erst zu spät draufgekommen. mir ist erst bei der hälfte aufgefallen, dass sf mirrors nur noch lässt
18:26 < rxr> praenti: wir muessen ja 1.7 und dRock auch noch adaptieren ...
18:26 < rxr> ok ich mach das dann ...
18:27 < praenti> rxr: ich hab auch deshalb kein script gebaut, weil ich die version noch mit durchgesehen hab.
18:27 < huebi> praenti: Wie war noch mal die URL von QOS?
18:27 < praenti> huebi: mom
18:27 < rxr> praenti: oh das hat vermutlich richtig lange gedauert ;-)
18:29 < praenti> huebi: http://www.prout.be/qos/
18:29 < praenti> rxr: naja. ging eigentlich doch recht schnell. dank der guten bedienung in kde
18:29 < rxr> praenti: ?
18:29 * praenti versteht deshalb esden und blidcoder nicht
18:30 * rxr auch nicht
18:30 < rxr> aber welche bedienung im speziellen meinst du gerade ?
18:30 < praenti> rxr: kde-console. shift+pfeillinks/pfeiilrechts
18:30 < snyke> praenti?
18:30 < snyke> bzw. esden?
18:31 < praenti> das ist extrem schnelles consolen wechseln
18:31 < snyke> ne was andere
18:31 < snyke> s
18:31 < snyke> mein ich
18:31 < snyke> http://www.seelus.de/Claus/scann/ <- denkst du das gibt aerger?
18:31 < snyke> scan quer uebers bingo-ev
18:31 < praenti> snyke: esden nimmt doch immer so schmale windowmanager (ala evilwm oder blackbox)
18:32 < rxr> kwm ist auch "schmal" - der rest ist kein window manager ;-)
18:32 < praenti> rxr: jo
18:32 < rxr> aber KDE ROCK wirklich - interesse and 3.0.1 binaries in ein paar stunden?
18:33 < snyke> praenti: gesehen?
18:33 < praenti> rxr: wo hast du die her?
18:33 < praenti> snyke: wer ist das?
18:33 < rxr> ssh fuer packager ;-)
18:34 < praenti> rxr: ich compilier mir das zur Zeit immer selbst direkt aus dem CVS raus
18:34 < rxr> kde-3.0.0 war ja leider etwas instable ...
18:34 < snyke> praenti: siehe titel
18:34 < snyke> das bin NICHT ich!!!
18:34 < praenti> hab ich auch festgestellt. die cvs-version ist da wesentlich besser
18:35 < rxr> praenti: ah CVS is auch ok ;-) Nur fuer dRock-1.6.0 brauche ich was stabileres as 3.0.0.
18:35 < snyke> KokoB (18:25): http://www.seelus.de/Claus/scann/ <- Was da alles im Ingolstadt.de Netzwerke is .. Tz
18:35 * snyke @ essen
18:39 < rxr> should categories like browser editor or emulators put into the plural form ?
18:40 < huebi> praenti: danke
18:43 < rxr> hm the kde-3.0.1 graphic seems to be much smother ;-)
18:45 < praenti> rxr: if you want more graphical gimmicks in kde use liquid-mosfet style
18:46 < rxr> praenti: I do ;-)
18:46 < rxr> http://drocklinux.dyndns.org/rene/me/gp3/gallery.html
18:46 < praenti> rxr: ok. i have the same
18:46 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/drock-screens.html
18:46 < rxr> praenti: liquid-mosfet is also included in 1.7 and dRock *g*
18:47 * rxr wondering a new screenshot of my currently anti-aliased fonts only desktop would be nice ...
18:50 * praenti goes eating and then in the city
18:50 < praenti> cya
18:50 -!- praenti is now known as praenti|away
18:50 < rxr> cu2
18:50 < huebi> by praenti|away 
19:15 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@pD9590FF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
19:20 < rxr> hi chrisime 
19:35 < chrisime> esden: da?
19:35 < chrisime> rxr: hi
19:59 < rxr> kde 3.0.1 binaries continue to show up at:
19:59 < rxr> http://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/unstable/various-updates/
20:00 * chrisime hates kde
20:00 < chrisime> it's "BUTT UGLY"
20:00 < rxr> what?
20:00 < chrisime> yes
20:01 < rxr> kde?
20:01 < chrisime> yes
20:01 < chrisime> and it's slow
20:01 < rxr> if you think so ...
20:01 < chrisime> and consumes much mem
20:02 < chrisime> i know it
20:02 < chrisime> i will test it and compare it again
20:02 < chrisime> ...against gnome2
20:02 < rxr> what do you currently use?
20:02 < rxr> gnome ? *wunder*
20:02 < chrisime> ya
20:02 < rxr> urgh
20:02 < chrisime> rxr: www.gnome.org/~chrisime/pix
20:03 < rxr> and nautilus is not slow ?
20:04 < chrisime> no
20:04 < chrisime> klick
20:04 < chrisime> and it opens
20:04 < chrisime> 2 seconds at the most
20:04 < chrisime> rxr: www.gnome.org/~chrisime/pix/ggv_in_nauti.png
20:05 < chrisime> gnome comsumes <48 MB incl. nautilus
20:05 < chrisime> now check kde
20:05 < chrisime> kde is for machines > 1 GHz
20:05 < rxr> chrisime: I do not discuss such questions anymore 
20:05 < rxr> what do you do for Gnome?
20:05 < chrisime> i don't think they'll manage to get it quicker/less mem consuming till 3.2
20:06 < chrisime> rxr: das is einfach wahr
20:06 < chrisime> rxr: ich habs hier drauf
20:06 < chrisime> und es ist *langsam*
20:06 < chrisime> ich brauch kein winxp 2.version
20:06 < rxr> 3.0 is much faster than the 2.2 series
20:06 < chrisime> no 
20:06 < rxr> chrisime: do you programm gnome stuff ?
20:06 < chrisime> tested it
20:08 < rxr> chrisime: I now it is more than 10% faster - and I know how buggy gtk+ gtkmm ist ...
20:08 < chrisime> 1.2
20:09 < rxr> gtkmm 1.3 is even more buggy - and the half not implemented ...
20:12 < rxr> GSMP will move to another toolkit - this stuff is really no basis for a serious project ...
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20:21 < cap> <-- back with dRock
20:21 < cap> anyone alive?
20:21 < rxr> already installed ?
20:21 < cap> yup
20:21 < rxr> jups hi cap 
20:21 < cap> :-) dRock's fine
20:21 < rxr> Nice to hear!
20:22 < cap> (but its not idiot-proof) 
20:22 < rxr> ;-) yes it is not
20:23 < rxr> what was not that idiot proof?
20:24 -!- martin_b [~martin@pD9E7AEE9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:24 < martin_b> hi all, hi rxr
20:24 < rxr> hi
20:25 < martin_b> http://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/unstable/various-updates/
20:25 < martin_b> alles mit kdexxx ?
20:25 < rxr> erhm arts und qt und kdoc auch ...
20:25 < rxr> eigendlich alles ...
20:25 < martin_b> ups. qt ist schon wieder neu?
20:25 < rxr> martin_b: dein formular sieht gut aus!
20:26 < rxr> jups
20:26 < rxr> martin_b: da fehlen aber noch ein paar packete - die strudeln so nach und nach ein
20:26 < rxr> du kannst aber auch alte und neue mixen ...
20:26 < martin_b> Danke. das kann man bei ueber 600 Zeilen auch erwarten. Muss es aber noch dem IE einwenig anpassen ... *wuerg*
20:27 < martin_b> Immer wenn ich etwas unter various-updates/ finde ist es neu und gut fuer mich?
20:28 < rxr> das hoffe ich ...
20:29 < martin_b> okay. kannst dir ja mal deinen upload angucken ... ;-)
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20:46 < Mike1> hi
20:46 < Mike1> d3m|away 
20:46 < Mike1> 12:51pm  up 18:52,  1 user,  load average: 17.67, 21.73, 12.75
20:51 < rxr> now most packages are ready mostly kdevelop and koffice are missing
20:51 < rxr> but sponsoring a faster CPU would speed this up *hint*
20:54 < Mike1> rxr :)
20:55 < rxr> hi Mike1 how are you?
20:55 < Mike1> rxr pretty good thanks and you?
20:55 * Mike1 working harder than ever
20:56 < rxr> Godd, too ,) (still waiting for the U5 :-( - huebi said it should get send next monday ...)
20:57 < rxr> martin_b: btw. does you xemacs work currently? - and loads your one critical .html file correct=
20:58 < Mike1> rxr I would give you access to my U5 but i made a pretty nice bussiness with it
20:58 < Mike1> i set up a mail server for the company i work for on it because they really needed a mail server running on sparc box
20:58 < Mike1> and now they will buy me a Blade 100 :)
20:59 < rxr> Mike1: Oh!
21:03 < Mike1> rxr what do u think?
21:04 < martin_b> rxr: Yes, it works good.
21:05 < rxr> Although I do not know why you need a mail server on a Sun ... - but having a Blade 100 to play with is definetely nice ;-)
21:05 < rxr> martin_b: could you stress konqui and the kicker? Would be nice to know if the sporadic crash bugs are gone ;-)
21:07 < Mike1> rxr i dont care about they deciding to use a sun for mail server, but trading an U5 for a Blade 100 is great deal i think :)
21:10 < martin_b> rxr: the kicker ist perfect. konqi okay. but the kde is very very slow!
21:10 < rxr> martin_b: ? why ?
21:10 < rxr> different than 3.0 or 2.2.2 ?
21:15 * Mike1 console rulez :)
21:16 -!- thalerim [~tobrit@pD958D913.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:17 < thalerim> hello
21:17 < Mike1> hi thalerim 
21:17 < martin_b> rxr: why? I don't know. konqi needs 3s to start. The Konsole, too.
21:18 < thalerim> hi Mike1 :-]
21:19 < huebi> hi Mike1 , hi thalerim 
21:19 < Mike1> hello huebi 
21:20 < rxr> was 3.0 or 2.2.2 faster for you?
21:20 * thalerim salutes.
21:20 < thalerim> hallo huebi ;-)
21:21 < huebi> Mike1: running a mailserver on Sparc is a very good decision. There are only a few exploits known only by a few people. No script kiddies like on intel. 
21:21 < Mike1> huebi hehe yeap running linux
21:21 * thalerim is away: eating
21:21 < thalerim> bbl. (mjammm)
21:22 < huebi> Mike1: even better with Linux. Solaris exploits are more often and known faster in the wild, wild net.
21:23 < huebi> a fix for the xntp-deamon needed 6-7 months on solaris.
21:23 < rxr> martin_b: ping
21:23 < Mike1> huebi hehe yeah i really like the way it is working
21:23 < Mike1> huebi how do u set time on solaris?
21:24 < rxr> martin_b: (the C++ application startup time can be decreesed by > 75 % with a hacks - but the last time I tried this it was not stable ...)
21:24 < huebi> with date. or in the Open Boot Prom
21:26 < Mike1> hehe
21:27 < Mike1> can i ask u another question regarding solaris?
21:27 < huebi> Mike1: of course, yes.
21:28 < Mike1> huebi how do i start the ftp daemon?
21:28 * Mike1 has never been admin of a solaris server
21:28 < huebi> Mike1: uncomment it in /etc/inetd.conf. 
21:29 < huebi> Mike1: do you need OpenSSH on Solaris?
21:29 < martin_b> rxr: ohh, wieviele Parkete folgen jetzt noch?
21:29 < Mike1> huebi the server is in canada i can only access it with ssh :)
21:30 < huebi> can you make a telnet on port 22 on that server?
21:31 < rxr> koffice kde-i18n-* kde-dRock ...
21:31 < huebi> Mike1: What version do you have (ssh) does the server say?
21:31 < Mike1> mom i will have a look
21:32 < huebi> Mike1: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.1p1 <- rock 1.5.14
21:32 < Mike1> huebi no but it is running solaris 5.7
21:32 < Mike1> huebi nice
21:32 < huebi> Mike1: telnet <servername> 22 ?
21:33 < huebi> Mike1: I ask that because of the local user root exploit.
21:33 < Mike1> it doesnt work
21:34 < huebi> Mike1: ssh -vvv <servername> ?
21:35 < huebi> Mike1: ssh -v <servername> ?  One -v is enough.
21:35 < huebi> Mike1: in the first line you get the ssh version
21:36 < Mike1> huebi mom i was trying to do the telnet command from a host that hast no permitions to make any kind of connections
21:36 < huebi> :-))
21:36 < Mike1> SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_3.1p1
21:36 < Mike1> heh
21:36 < huebi> Mike1: That's ok and secure.
21:36 < Mike1> *g
21:38 < huebi> Mike1: My experiece is that normaly all unsecure services are disabled when OpenSSH is installed.
21:39 < Mike1> gut :)
21:39 * huebi booting solaris
21:39 * Mike1 will need huebi to teach him about solaris boxes admin
21:40 * thalerim is back (gone 00:18:45)
21:41 < thalerim> hey huebi: have you ever dreamt to a song of Deine Lakaeien?
21:41 < huebi> thalerim: no.
21:42 < thalerim> ok, i will upload.. but tell me the server again, please (i re-installed my ftp-client, so the config was removed)
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21:47 < huebi> thalerim: ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/upload
21:47 < thalerim> thx
21:51 * SMP going $HOME
21:51 < thalerim> huebi: i will upload only the best ones (5/6)
21:51 < huebi> thalerim: ok
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21:59 < huebi> Mike1: You need that line:
21:59 < huebi> ftp   stream  tcp6    nowait  root    /usr/sbin/in.ftpd       in.ftpd
21:59 < huebi> in /etc/inetd.conf
21:59 < huebi> for ftp services
22:00 < huebi> no # in front of it!
22:02 < Mike1> huebi yes i already did it Master :) thank you
22:02 < simon--> tcp6 wasn't this for ipv6?
22:04 < thalerim> tcp&=
22:05 < thalerim> tcp6?
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22:16 < thalerim> huebi: listen to Deine Lakaien - Garden !
22:16 < thalerim> very very good :-)
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22:26 < rxr> martin_b: and result?
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22:28 < martin_b> rxr: Hi. KDE 3.0.1 works.
22:28 < rxr> faster?
22:29 < rxr> btw the 3.0 kicker crashed often for me - I wonder that this has not yet happend for you ...
22:29 -!- wschlich [~wschlich@p50815F2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:30 < wschlich> heyho
22:31 < martin_b> The kicker crashed never. But KDE is not really faster.
22:31 < rxr> nice
22:31 < rxr> how much?
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22:33 < martin_b> Wie soll ich da einen Unterschied beschreiben?
22:34 < rxr> egal 
22:35 < martin_b> Konsole startet schneller und das Verschieben des Kickers geht jetzt viel schneller und besser.
22:35 < rxr> ich baue ueber nach KDE mal wieder prelinked (sollte startup zeit um ca 75% verringern) mal sehen ob es diesmal tut ...
22:36 * rxr so alle KDE-3.0.1 binareis sind jetzt fertig
22:40 * rxr browsing files over ssh in konqi
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22:41 * rxr impressed
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22:42 < tsa> tag
22:43 < huebi> hi tsa
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22:44 < tsa> hi huebi
22:45 * tsa deleting 90 cvs change mails
22:45 < tsa> *sigh*
22:47 -!- l_9_l [~root@217.17.228.53] has joined #rocklinux
22:47 < tsa> ~root@ ?
22:47 < tsa> uh.
22:47 < l_9_l> :D
22:48 < l_9_l> i'm in lan..:D even though i shouldn't log as root..
22:49 < l_9_l> anyway..hi
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22:50 < cap> rxr: whats libORBitCosNaming.so.0 ? its missing, so gnome doesnt start
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22:50 * huebi is burning suse-sparc-7.3-CD1.iso. splack does not boot on U30
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22:51 < rxr> cap: sec
22:51 < tsa> huebi: have fun with yast ;-)
22:51 < rxr> cap: you installed orbit ?
22:51 < cap> hm i guess i forgot..
22:52 < cap> what about dependencies in rock?
22:52 < huebi> tsa: No! I just boot the rescue system.
22:52 < rxr> ROCK 2.0 will have dependecies ;-)
22:52 < cap> nice :-)
22:52 < chrisime> jo!
22:52 < rxr> (auto generated - not hardcoded like on all other dists ;-)
22:56 < rxr> cap: you can simply untar the package in your running system ...
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23:19 < rxr> martin_b: I just started to build prelinked kde binaries which should start magnitudes faster (if they work)
23:19 < tsa> rxr: why will they be fster?
23:19 < tsa> faster even
23:20 < martin_b> rxr: what is prelink? *...???...*
23:20 -!- cap [~cap@pD9048550.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
23:21 < rxr> because the symbols of all the virtual functions and templates do not need to be relocated during runtime / startup
23:21 < cap> :)
23:21 < rxr> they can be already relocated during compile-time - this was a long missing feature of the gcc / binutils toolchain
23:21 < tsa> hm...interesting..
23:22 < rxr> it is included in the 2.12.90 binutils ;-)
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23:22 < tsa> i've noticed a precompiled galeon from an RH rpm package starting up faster on a slower machine than my galeon built from source - is this the same thing?
23:22 < rxr> before this it was ditributed as stand-alone .c file for research tests ;-)
23:22 < rxr> tsa: this might indeed be possible
23:23 < rxr>  but maybe more a mozilla build issue ...
23:23 < rxr> mozilla is more c++ than galeon is ...
23:23 < tsa> hm...ok..
23:23 < rxr> this prelink thing is c++ specific
23:23 < tsa> is there a way to include this kind of prelinking into the rock build scripts?
23:23 < rxr> galeon consist of C and C++ ...
23:24 * rxr taking a look into mozilla ;-)
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23:29 < martin_b> rxr: Beim Verschieben eines Fensters bekomme ich locker 80 bis 99 % CPU-Belastung. Soll das so sein?
23:30 < rxr> kommt darauf and
23:31 < rxr> prinzipjell macht das deine hardware
23:31 < rxr> wenn aber im neu aufgedecktem hintergrund komplexe sachen angezeigt werden, muss doch deine CPU ein paar sachen zusammenrechnen
23:31 < martin_b> Ja, meine arme CPU ;-)
23:32 < martin_b> War bei KDE 2.2.2, dRock 1.4.x aber nicht so extrem
23:32 < rxr> z.b. andere fenster aufwendige gradienten auf hintergrundbildern ...
23:32 < rxr> hatest du da schon nen hintergrund-bild mit on-the-fly farbverlauf ?
23:33 < rxr> under windows hast du die gleiche auslastung - da siehst du das nur nicht ;-)
23:33 < tsa> rxr: so do you think there could some optimizing be done with mozilla / galeon?
23:34 < rxr> tsa: still taking a look - just finished grepping qt
23:34 < tsa> ok
23:35 * huebi is cycle booting the sun...
23:37 * tsa nearly spent 1500 USD for a U60 on ebay yesterday..
23:37 < rxr> tsa: thinking about this mozilla might not be accelerateable, because they do not use templates and virtual functions (that often) because they do not work with older / broken C++ compilers at all ...
23:37 < tsa> rxr: ok, i understand
23:38 < rxr> tsa: hatten wir letzen die sidkussion ueber qt threaded oder nicht?
23:39 < tsa> rxr: uhm....keine ahnung...da war ich zumindest hier nicth dabei..
23:39 < rxr> oder war das th ?
23:40 < rxr> kdelibs hat naemlich:
23:40 < rxr> --disable-threading     disables threading even if libpthread found
23:40 < rxr> ups sorry wronf line
23:40 < rxr> --disable-mt            link to non-threaded Qt (deprecated)
23:43 < rxr> here are the theories about prelinking:
23:43 < rxr> http://leon.bottou.com/objprelink/
23:43 * tsa reading
23:47 < rxr> shortly after the first test versions I also tried a drock (last october) with prelinking enabled
23:47 < rxr> but the resulting binraies did nothing ...
23:52 < huebi> n8
23:52 < rxr> guten schlaf!
23:52 < martin_b> bye
23:52 < Mike1> i have an issue here
23:52 < Mike1> opinion mailman or minimalist?
23:53 < Mike1> what would you huys recomend?
23:53 < rxr> tsa: the build-in support in binutils is invocen by "-z nocopyreloc"
23:53 < Mike1> s/h/g
23:53 < rxr> I'll try it out ;-)
23:53 < rxr> erhm and -z combreloc
23:53 < rxr> COOOOL: * Support for the OpenRISC 32-bit embedded processor by OpenCores.
23:54 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@pD9590FF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving")
23:55 < tsa> Mike1: mailman
23:56 < tsa> minimalist handles the rock linux mailing list - and it seems to be damn slow..
23:56 < d3m|away> hi
23:56 < d3m|away> brb
23:56 < tsa> hi d3m|away
23:56 -!- d3m|away is now known as d3mian
23:56 < Mike1> tsa ever tryed mailman?
23:56 < d3mian> hola todos
23:56 < Mike1> d3mian hi
23:56 < tsa> Mike1: yes, we're using it at work and it's doing fine..
23:57 < Mike1> it doesnt have the cc limit users issue that majordomo has does it?
23:57 < tsa> hm...never tried that one..
23:58 < Mike1> tsa mm ok thanks for your recomendation
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