--- Log opened Fri May 10 00:00:24 2002
--- Day changed Fri May 10 2002
00:01 < rxr> kool - ark does now work properly ;-)
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00:06 < Mike1> hi clifford_away 
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00:08 < d3mian> hi ringo78 
00:19 < ringo78> hi d3mian
00:26 < rxr> does s.o. know if there is a way to give "date" a unix-time it should build a string for ?
00:27 < martin_b> n8 rxr, n8 all
00:27 < d3mian> cu martin_b 
00:27 < rxr> n8 martin_b 
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01:22 < rxr> ahh!
01:23 < rxr> the -d option can take stuff like 'yesterday' my problem is solved ;-)
01:23 < rxr> (no I have not spend an hour finding this out ;-)
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01:26 < cap> hi folks
01:26 < d3mian> hi cap 
01:26 < cap> :>
01:27 < rxr> hi
01:27 -!- praenti|away is now known as praenti
01:27 < praenti> re
01:27 < cap> rock really rocks, didnt expect that
01:28 < d3mian> hi praenti 
01:28 < rxr> tsa: could you try to build a mozilla and galeon with LD="$LD -z combreloc"
01:28 < praenti> rxr: do you know what i do wrong if the automatic poweroff doesnt work?
01:28 < rxr> would be nice to now if this works and give a speedup
01:28 < d3mian> i c, cap had luck with drock :)
01:29 < rxr> praenti: no apm or acpi in the kernel ?
01:29 < tsa> rxr: ok, i'll give it a try
01:29 < praenti> rxr: acpi complete compiled into the kernel. but disabled apm
01:29 < rxr> do you see the acpi message about enterin S0 ?
01:29 < rxr> cap: huh?
01:29 < praenti> rxr: where do i see that?
01:30 < praenti> rxr: i only know that my acpid works and call shutdown -h now
01:30 < rxr> one of the last lines the kernel whould output during shutdown -h 0 ...
01:30 < praenti> rxr: or can you give me a howto where i can read that
01:30 < rxr> praenti: normally this works out of the box - except if your bios acpi impl. is totally screwed up ...
01:31 < rxr> praenti: laptop of desktop machine ?
01:31 < praenti> rxr: desktop a7v
01:31 < rxr> what does cat /proc/acpi/info tell you ?
01:32 < praenti> ACPI-CA Version:         20011018
01:32 < praenti> Sx States Supported:     S0 S1 S4 S5
01:32 < rxr> hm
01:32 < praenti> i thinks thats ok
01:32 < rxr> jups
01:32 < rxr> can u remount your fs readonly and execute echo 0 > /proc/acpi/sleep ?
01:32 < rxr> your box should turn off imidiately ...
01:33 < rxr> (done at your own risk)
01:33 < praenti> rxr: ok i try it. cu in a few minutes
01:34 < rxr> much luck
01:36 < praenti> rxr: machine still running
01:37 < praenti> rxr: windoze has no problem with that. kernel under ca. 2.4.8 did that also right
01:39 < rxr> praenti: acpi is working ok on my sis735 and sis630 based laptop - and also on a a7v (maybe +- a vesion) box I know of ...
01:39 < rxr> praenti: have you compiled all submodules of acpi into the kernel ?
01:39 < praenti> rxr: yes
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01:39 < rxr> praenti: strange
01:40 < rxr> the echo 0 > blabla did nothing? Not even a printk ?
01:40 < praenti> rxr: no printk
01:40 < praenti> rxr: completely nothing. 
01:41 < praenti> rxr: and i'm not the only one with that problem on a a7v
01:41 < rxr> you should compile a kernel with ACPI_DEBUG enabled
01:42 < praenti> rxr: ok. iw ill do that and post a request into the kernel-list if i dont see the problem
01:43 < rxr> praenti: you should directly post it to the acpi-devel list
01:44 < rxr> I just unsubscribed yesterday ...
01:44 < rxr> Is this a try to hack a ISS:
01:44 < rxr> /scripts/..%c0%af../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir
01:44 < rxr> s/ISS/IIS/
01:45 < tsa> nimda/codered..
01:45 < rxr> i have pretty much of such stuff in my apache log ...
01:45 < rxr> tsa: wanting to spread, or what
01:45 < tsa> rxr: yes..
01:45 < rxr> ah
01:47 < praenti> rxr: ok. compile is running and will be sent to acpi-devel if problems still here
01:48 < hackbard> one should write a script whcih does sth like: /scripts/..%c0%af../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+md+you_have_nimda_virus to every host you got a log from :)
01:49 < rxr> the poor man's apache log analyzer: grep `date -d yesterday '+%d/%B/%Y'` /var/apache/logs/access_log | sed -e 's/.*GET //' -e 's/\([^ ]*\).*/\1/' | sort | uniq -c | sort
01:51 < tsa> hackbard: there are some attempts to use cmd.exe to shutdown the infected machine when it tries spreading..
01:51 < tsa> but i don't know if they are successful..
01:51 < hackbard> lets just test it :)
01:52 < rxr> the next peace to sell: a log filer for above: "| grep -v system32"
01:56 < rxr> hm this infected machines are private boxes:
01:56 < rxr> frnk-d514e137.dsl.mediaWays.net
01:56 < rxr> frnk-d514e137.dsl.mediaWays.net
01:56 < rxr> port-213-20-3-196.reverse.qdsl-home.de
01:57 < rxr> p50873444.dip.t-dialin.net
01:57 < rxr> ...
02:00 < praenti> rxr: 2.4.18 does the same. nothing. where can i see the debug messages?
02:06 < praenti> May 10 01:56:01 gutmann kernel: ACPI: Multiple power buttons detected, ignoring
02:06 < praenti> fixed-feature
02:06 < praenti> could that be the problem?
02:08 < hackbard> bye
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02:08 < rxr> in the dmesg and/or syslog
02:09 < rxr> this should not be the problem ...
02:12 < praenti> ok. i will see. tomorrow. I'm now going to bed. cya
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03:24 < tsa> n8
03:24 < tsa> bis morgen oder so.
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03:25 < rxr> cu
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04:04 < d3mian> hi l_9_l 
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04:36 < rxr> hi
04:37 * rxr still reading / testing prelink stuff
05:48 * rxr off
06:03 < d3mian> re rene
06:04 < d3mian> cap: still here?
06:04 < d3mian> hi rene
06:05 < cap> yoo hi d3mian, rene
06:05 * cap is enjoying rock linux
06:06 < cap> and forgetting about slack and debian
06:06 < d3mian> hehe
06:07 < d3mian> cap: is drock 1.6.0 right?
06:07 < cap> yep
06:07 < cap> works fine
06:07 < cap> some (truly quite a lot) typos, but its ok
06:08 < d3mian> yes
06:09 < d3mian> i saw @ hackdaworld :)
06:09 < cap> no one hanging around there ;)
06:10 < d3mian> well, i was @ at home ;)
06:10 < d3mian> s/at//
06:32 < d3mian> cu
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06:57 < cap> hi maus
06:58 < Lorini> :)
07:02 < d3mian> hi Lorini
07:02 < Lorini> hi d3mian
07:23 < d3mian> sure, dunt worry
07:23 < Lorini> ok, got to go now
07:24 < Lorini> (gonna die)
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07:45 < huebi> moin
07:47 < huebi> ssh ella
07:47 < huebi> su -
07:47 < huebi> kill1more
07:48 < huebi> fuck!
07:48 < cap> morgen huebi
07:49 < huebi> moin cap
07:50 < huebi> hmm. Ich sollte mal hinsehen, welche Konsole ich nehme. Egal, das pPasswort war sowieso schon uralt.
07:50 < cap> lol
07:50 < huebi> :-)
07:52 < d3m|wrk> hallo huebi 
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08:11 < cap> http://www2.rocklinux.org/press.html <- broken
08:15 < d3m|wrk> cap, can u check the rock linux guide link?
08:17 < cap> which one?
08:21 < d3m|wrk> mom
08:27 < huebi_> morning d3m|wrk 
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08:57 < d3m|wrk> hallo isaac
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09:30 < d3m|wrk> wb cap 
09:31 < cap> yo hi d3m|wrk
09:35 < cap> why the ./scripts/Download -ext alias doesnt work ?
09:37 < cap> d3mian which rock version do you run?
09:49 < d3m|wrk> im running drock 1.4.2
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09:50 < huebi_> re
09:50 < huebi_> hi d3mian 
09:50 < d3mian> cap: try to read docs in /src/src/rock-intel/Documentation/
09:50 < d3mian> hi huebi_ 
09:50 < d3mian> or ask huebi_ :)
09:50 -!- huebi_ is now known as huebi
09:51 < huebi> cap: which source tree do you use?
09:51 < d3mian> drock 1.6.0
09:51 < huebi> ah ok!
09:51 < huebi> rene should know that.
09:52 < d3mian> cap: the best way is read doc there or wait for rebe
09:53 < huebi> Coffee not found! Orerator halted! brb...
09:54 < d3mian> :)
09:54 < cap> huebi: i got rene's 1.6 rc3.. will ask rene
09:55 < cap> the docs say there must be a ./scripts/Download -ext alias
09:55 < cap> none implemented.. 
09:57 < d3mian> wait for rebe
09:59 < huebi> re
10:00 < d3mian> how is the Coffe hubner?
10:02 < blindcoder> g'morning everyone
10:02 < d3mian> cap: LoriniABI told me about ur birthday, hehe, it is strange ;)
10:02 < d3mian> morning blindcoder 
10:03 < cap> d3mian: yep.. what is more strange is that we first met on our birthday, too ;)
10:03 < d3mian> jajajaja
10:03 < d3mian> ohh, that's really interesting
10:04 * huebi is on the phone
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10:12 < anders_> morning chaps
10:13 < blindcoder> hi anders_ 
10:14 < d3mian> gut murning anders_ 
10:14 < anders_> re blindcoder d3mian 
10:14 < huebi> hi anders_ 
10:14 < anders_> re huebi 
10:15 * anders_ updated GnuPG to 1.0.7 yesterday..
10:15 < anders_> and fetched a whole *bunch* of keys from the keyservers..
10:15 < anders_> a pub-keyring of 16MB now..
10:16 < anders_> now going through and setting trust on various keys...
10:16 < anders_> and a P-III 750 is slooow for this type of stuff..
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10:30 < cap> re
10:38 < huebi> re
10:51 < d3mian> huebi: how can i use the /var/db to restore stuuff in the system?
10:53 < huebi> d3mian: I don't know
10:54 * cap needs more coffee
10:54 < cap> cd ~/coffee-machine && gzip -cd new-coffee.gz | patch -p0 
10:55 < huebi> cap: /dev/coffee not found!
10:56 < cap> hehe
10:57 < d3mian> how can i know the name of the current kernel image running?
10:57 < huebi> d3mian: uname -a
10:57 < anders_> lets see now.. Rene and Esden are both here.. the fingerprint of their GPG keys would be nice.. :)
10:57 < d3mian> is it not in freebsd?
10:57 * anders_ pokes rxr and esden for responses..
10:57 < huebi> anders_: I think they still sleep..
10:57 < anders_> ah.. :)
10:57 < d3mian> cauz in linux i see version, not filename
10:58 < d3mian> i want a output like 'bzImage' or 'vmlinuz'
10:58 < huebi> d3mian: I don't know...
10:58 < d3mian> k
10:58 < cap> d3mian: ask the bootloader ?
10:58 < d3mian> cap: ???
10:58 < anders_> huebi: you a user of gpg ?
10:59 < cap> d3mian: if lilo .. try 'grep image /etc/lilo.conf ... '
10:59 < huebi> anders_: Not in the moment. But I give you my key when I use it seriously
11:00 < cap> d3mian: if grub, dunno
11:00 < anders_> huebi: thanks.. :)
11:00 < huebi> cap: FreeBSD IIUC
11:00 < cap> oh
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11:00 < d3mian> cap: i mean the current running image name, bot the images in loader
11:01 < d3mian> in freebsd i guess u can get current image name
11:01 < cap> no idea of FreeBSD
11:02 < d3mian> k
11:03 < anders_> d3mian: if you use uname -a to find the running kernel, you can use strings and bzcat coupled with strings on the images in /boot to figure out I guess
11:04 < d3mian> anders_: i couldnt get ur idea
11:07 < anders_> uname -a gives the running kernel, yes?
11:07 < d3mian> sure
11:07 < d3mian> the kernel version
11:07 < d3mian> ahh, i know now
11:07 < anders_> bzImage's and vmlinuz's are bz-compressed..
11:08 < d3mian> u mean a grep to the images
11:08 < d3mian> and search for the version string
11:08 < d3mian> in those
11:08 < anders_> so a bzcat /boot/bzImage | strings | grep <whatever uname -a delivers etc..>
11:08 < anders_> yeah.. :)
11:08 < d3mian> yeah, sure
11:08 < anders_> that might be a way to find out which one you are running..
11:09 < d3mian> another idea..>
11:09 < d3mian> ?
11:10 < anders_> Lemme check something first..
11:10 < d3mian> sure
11:13 < anders_> I thought there might be something in /proc but couldn't find anything..
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11:15 < anders_> d3mian: just checked with another chap here, there is not really any good way to find out which image you booted.
11:16 < d3mian> well, i asked too, i couldnt find another way
11:17 < d3mian> yes, maybe sth in proc i thought too
11:17 < d3mian> but not sure , thnx anyway
11:19 < anders_> best way is to check the bootloader on startup..
11:20 < d3mian> umm
11:23 < d3mian> well, i would like this cauz if i have several images in my loader and i load a image for some days and i cant remember waht image i loaded, i would need to know what image am i using for future changes to my loader and know what image i was using to load it again
11:24 < d3mian> it's 3:20am here and i have to work these last 3 hours to go classes
11:24 < d3mian> cu guys
11:25 < cap> bye d3mian
11:25 < huebi> cu d3mian 
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11:41 < anders_> d3m|wrk: what you can do is pass an argument to the kernel in the bootloader, like dem_image=<image_name>, and then look in /proc/cmdline for what image you are running..
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12:02 < cap> moin hackbard
12:02 < hackbard> moin cap
12:02 < hackbard> hi all
12:07 < huebi> moin hackbard 
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12:10 < hackbard> hi huebi, hi clifford
12:12 < clifford> hi hackbard - how is your cluster build doing?
12:14 < hackbard> i didnt start by now, i am currently downloading the latest snap to my snd pc
12:14 < hackbard> it took some time to get rock workin on it
12:15 < clifford> hackbard: forget the last snap - it won't go bejond stage 1 ...
12:15 < clifford> I'm fixing that right now.
12:16 < hackbard> okay!
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12:37 < hack^afk> later ..
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12:45 < praenti|sleep> huebi: da?
12:45 < huebi> praenti|sleep: jo
12:45 -!- praenti|sleep is now known as praenti
12:45 < praenti> moin
12:46 < praenti> huebi: have you read the mail with the samba.ext?
12:46 < huebi> praenti: Jo, I plan to get it into base and remove it from ext.
12:47 < praenti> huebi: same idea as me.
12:47 < huebi> praenti: samba seems to be broken with ./configure --prefix=/bla/bla
12:48 < huebi> if I use ./configure --prefix=/opt/samba-2.2.4 I still get some files somewhere els than in /opt/samba-2.2.4
12:49 < praenti> huebi:würg
12:49 < huebi> praenti: Exact!
12:49 < praenti> huebi: they should read the autocanof, automake docu
12:49 < praenti> s/autocanof/autoconf
12:50 < huebi> praenti: <- hat heute dicke Finger ;-)))
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12:51 < tsa> moin allerseits
12:51 < tsa> *gaehn*
12:51 < huebi> Tonight I have to check the cvs
12:52 < huebi> tsa: MOEP!! - are you awake now? ;-)
12:52 < praenti> huebi: do want to make a new snap?
12:52 < huebi> praenti: Yes.
12:53 < tsa> huebi: hm...still unsure
12:53 < huebi> In the moment I'm at work reading sth about docbook.
12:53 -!- LoriniABI is now known as Lorini
12:53 < tsa> huebi: guess i'll have some breakfast first and decide afterwards ;-)
12:54 * huebi needs to do very much documentation in the next weeks
12:54 < huebi> tsa <- coffe junky?
12:54 < tsa> huebi: sure.
12:54 < huebi> hehe
12:55 < tsa> is there a life without caffeine?
12:55 < huebi> tsa: White coffe from Columbia? ;-))
12:55 < tsa> hehe
12:55 < tsa> a little bit too expensive, i guess..
12:55 < tsa> does it make you staying awake any longer?
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13:06 < tsa> hehe
13:12 < ringo78> tsa: speed also makes you vey awake (and active).
13:12 < tsa> hehe
13:12 < tsa> i guess i'll stay with coffee..
13:12 < huebi> http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/files/Koksen.mpeg <- Is that tsa in an omnibus? ;-)))
13:13 * tsa wgetting
13:14 * huebi thinking about QoS ;-))
13:14 < tsa> hehe...sorry for filling up your bandwitdh ;)
13:15 < huebi> tsa:  have fun... QoS is my problem. or better no QoS
13:15 < huebi> :-))
13:16 < tsa> hm....is it possible to use multiple desktops with twm? i can't find a pager or something.
13:18 < tsa> fvwm/fvwm2 has a desktop pager..
13:18 < tsa> hm..
13:27 < anders_> rene and/or esden awake yet?
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13:28 * anders_ pokes rxr and esden with a stick..
13:40 * clifford released snapshot 1.7.0-DEV-200205101317.
13:43 < tsa> hm.....just recieved mail from ripclaw...
13:43 < tsa> anyone interested in taking over xarchon package?
13:43 < praenti> huebi: http://www.prout.be/qos/
13:44 < praenti> huebi: bei jedem aufbau deiner dsl-leitung
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14:26 < kvak|uninvited> Hi
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14:27 < term_emu> moin
14:27 * kvak|uninvited is looking for netcrow
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14:31 < snyke> hi all
14:31 < snyke> :)
14:35 < kvak|uninvited> Hi
14:36 < snyke> ui da unininvited is hier!
14:36 < snyke> *Freu*
14:36 < snyke> -in
14:36 < snyke> *g*
14:37 < kvak|uninvited> Jo.
14:38 < kvak|uninvited> Sag mal, hast du den Netcrow gesehen ?
14:38 < kvak|uninvited> Ich hab da ne neue Kiste für ihn...
14:39 < snyke> nee...
14:39 < snyke> keine ahnung wo sich der rumtreibt
14:39 < snyke> sms ihm doch mal
14:43 < huebi> Does here someone have any experience with docbook? 
14:43 < huebi> I need a way to start with it quickly.
14:43 < huebi> :-)
14:44 < snyke> <- not
14:45 < kvak|uninvited> huebi> Tell me, what is docbook ?
14:48 < esden> hi all
14:48 < huebi> kvak|uninvited: It's a documentation "tool" used in the LDP, KDE, Gnome... for documentation. It has support to generate several outputfile type from one input file.
14:48 < huebi> hi esden 
14:49 * -> esden is dying ...
14:49 < huebi> esden: R.I.P.
14:49 < esden> yo
14:49 < esden> thanks
14:49 < huebi> :-)
14:52 < kvak|uninvited> huebi> I see, what kind of outputfile can this be ?
14:52 < kvak|uninvited> Hello esden
14:58 < huebi> kvak|uninvited: .txt .html .sgml .xml .tex .ps .pdf ....
14:59 < huebi> kvak|uninvited: .doc .rtf
14:59 < kvak|uninvited> huebi> ah, well pdf sounds okay. What kind of input file does it accept ?
14:59 < huebi> kvak|uninvited: .xml
15:02 < kvak|uninvited> Oh. .xml *thinks*
15:08 < kvak|uninvited> Oh baby cries have to leave ! Farewell !
15:08 < huebi> kvak|uninvited: by
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15:15 < huebi> Does somebody know where SMP is?
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15:16 < esden> ohh der uni ist endlich papa geworden ... wiso sagt mir keiner was :-(
15:16 -!- blindy|screwdriv is now known as blindcoder
15:16 < blindcoder> hi esden
15:16 < blindcoder> hi rest ;)
15:16 < esden> hi crash !!!
15:16 < esden> how are you ...
15:17 < esden> I am back home puhh
15:17 < anders_> mmmhmm.. esden is alive.. good.. :)
15:17 < blindcoder> fine... I've given myself a lot of work today
15:17 < esden> anders_: ??? *panic*
15:17 < esden> blindcoder: and what have you done ?
15:17 < anders_> esden: could you give me the fingerprint of your GPG key plz.. :)
15:18 < blindcoder> I've installed ROCK
15:18 < esden> anders_: mom
15:18 < huebi> esden is reborn. Very fast I think. Now the queastion is: Is kvak|uninvited his new father?
15:19 < esden> anders_:  9E6C 6CDC 6971 715C F8DB  F3E2 F3B0 453E BE98 A970
15:19 < esden> hmm ...
15:20 < esden> is it ok ...
15:20 < esden> hmm ...
15:20 < esden> should be
15:20 < huebi> Never try a download at oracle friday afternoon. Now all the people who had a course at oracle this week are downloading the latest patches.
15:20 < anders_> one sec..
15:21 < th> hey all
15:21 < anders_> esden: yeah, that's okay.. :)
15:21 < blindcoder> *argl* what does this blinking pice of **** on my upper left corner in X?
15:21 < esden> anders_: goood ;-{
15:21 < esden> argh 
15:21 < esden> good ;-)
15:21 < huebi> th moin
15:21 < esden> hi th
15:22 < esden> blindcoder: a cursor from frabebuffer ?
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15:24 < blindcoder> esden: might be...
15:24 < esden> blindcoder: the radio station is on 107.35FM
15:26 < ringo78> blindcoder: Don't you like it (that's why I have a fbdev).
15:28 < blindcoder> well.. I don't like it, that's right...
15:28 < ringo78> If I swap to console ctrl-F1 and back it's gone ... (using Icewm)
15:28 < blindcoder> oh... another one of that errors... thanks, it works with me, too
15:29 < blindcoder> all I need now is a IceWM-Xinerama-Patch ;)
15:44 < blindcoder> I HATE CPAN 
15:45 < ringo78> whats wrong with them ?
15:47 < blindcoder> i can't find the right Carp.pm for CPAN.pm
15:48 < esden> hmmm ... is this shranz ? ...
15:48 < esden> a sort of ... I think
15:48 < rxr> re
15:48 < esden> re rxr 
15:49 < blindcoder> esden? wtf?
15:49 < esden> blindcoder: radio ...
15:49 < blindcoder> oh
15:49 < rxr> hi clifford 
15:50 * anders_ notices that rxr has awakened as well..
15:50 < huebi> blindcoder: Eat, ehm grep this: http://www.cpan.org/modules/02packages.details.txt.gz
15:51 < anders_> rxr, got the fingerprint of your GPG key? :)
15:51 < th> erfahrung mit intellinet switchen hier im channel?
15:51 < th> kleine 8port dinger
15:51 < huebi> blindcoder: And download from here: http://www.cpan.org/modules/by-authors/id/
15:51 < huebi> :-))
15:52 < blindcoder> Carp                              undef  G/GS/GSAR/perl-5.6.1.tar.gz
15:52 < blindcoder> >_<
15:52 < esden> blindcoder: you have done something wrong
15:52 < esden> read compilation log ...
15:53 * -> esden baking a pizza ... yum
15:53 < blindcoder> esden: the lgos aren't, by any chance, on the base-cd, are they?
15:54 < esden> logos ??? what do you mean ?
15:54 * anders_ taps rxr on the shoulder and waves a cattleprod around menacingly...
15:55 < esden> anders_: what is cattleprod ?
15:55 < blindcoder> esden: logs
15:55 < esden> blindcoder: should I know what lgos is ?
15:55 < esden> ahh
15:55 < esden> logs
15:56 * -> esden b4|<4
15:56 < anders_> esden: a cattleprod is those staffs that give off electric shocks.. :)
15:56 < esden> anders_: ahh cool !! :D
15:56 < anders_> people moving large amounts of cows around use them to speed the cows up a bit.. :)
15:56 < esden> hmm dunno blindcoder 
15:56 < esden> lot me check ...
15:57 < anders_> I thought one of those might provoke a reaction from rxr... ;-)
15:59 < huebi> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/em-10.05.02-000/ <- hmm. I missed a new fefeism...
15:59 < esden> blindcoder: nope they are not on the cd's
16:00 < rxr> clifford: the missing file patch got out :-(
16:00 < rxr> anders_: was it a qeustion about the key?
16:01 < blindcoder> damn.. I just found out that I'm lacking base.pm and strict.pm, too
16:02 < huebi> blindcoder: Often in a perlscrip at the beginning is written USE foo::bar ...
16:03 < esden> huebi: there are logs ...
16:03 < huebi> blindcoder: These are the modules you need.
16:03 < esden> blindcoder: the compile of perl is broken 
16:03 < blindcoder> huebi: yes, there's written use Carp ()
16:03 < huebi> blindcoder: hehe
16:03 < blindcoder> but Carp seems to be only within perl.x-x-x.tar.gz
16:03 < blindcoder> not standalone
16:04 < esden> blindcoder: junge dein build is putt versuche es nochmal zu bauen
16:04 < esden> du kannst es ja dann nachinstallieren
16:04 < huebi> esden: I meant it ironically when I said I missed it. Im glad not to waist my time with something like that
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16:04 < blindcoder> also nochmal von vorne saugen und compilen... tage später...
16:04 < anders_> rxr: your GPG key, can you get me the fingerprint of it?
16:05 < esden> blindcoder: du sollst es nicht auf dem laptop bauen
16:05 < rxr> EDE3 A5D5 EFA3 07E9 5B31  145B EF11 6698 0789 0037
16:05 < esden> hast doch noch deine build umgebung auf der hauptkiste drouf
16:05 < blindcoder> überleg mal an welcher kiste ich grade sitzen könnte mit diesen problemen?
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16:06 < esden> blindcoder: weiss net laptop ... da hattest die probleme soweit ich weiss ...
16:06 < huebi> export LANG=en
16:06 < esden> naja ... aber jetzt gehe ich essen
16:06 < esden> sarry huebi 
16:06 < esden> i mean sorry ;-)
16:06 < blindcoder> ich sitz an crazyhorse
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16:07 < anders_> rxr: many thanks.. :)
16:07 < clifford> hi rxr again (i hate isdn reconnects).
16:07 < rxr> clifford: hi
16:07 < rxr> the missing file patch got out - sorry :-(
16:08 < clifford> rxr: thx. I have to reconnect imap/ssh bevore I can fetch it ...  :-(
16:12 < esden> who is not knowing him yet that is fefe ;-) : http://www.heise.de/chat/icons/fvl.jpg
16:12 < ringo78> kan koffice read word files ? If so does it need kde installed ?
16:13 < clifford> esden: not as slim as dietlibc ...   :-)
16:14 < esden> clifford: RAFL
16:14 < esden> clifford: ROFL
16:15 < huebi> esden: He looks a little bit mor heavy weight than on last CCC, IIRC
16:16 < esden> huebi: I remember him nearly exactli like on this photo
16:25 < blindcoder> esden: I compiled perl manually now... It works that waay
16:25 < praenti> esden: was hat der schon wieder alles in seiner wut reingestopft
16:26 < blindcoder> esden: was machst heut abend?
16:27 * praenti knows fefe's problem. every time i program sth that doesnt work is always ending in a big eating
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16:34 < blindcoder> is there a command line switch to enable color support with xterm?
16:34 < bluefire> Moin
16:35 < blindcoder> hiblu
16:36 < rxr> re
16:38 < rxr> ringo78: koffice read word and excel files partially.
16:38 < rxr> the kde-libs need to be installed.
16:40 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy|away
16:41 < rxr> clifford: during my Sync I did not saw such revolutionary Build-* changes that would make me fell the next build will work?
16:42 < clifford> rxr: it's still buggy (will upload another snap in about 30 minutes).
16:42 < rxr> ah
16:42 < clifford> however - there was not much to fix and it looks good so far here ..
16:43 < rxr> clifford: sure only the time calculation needs to be fixed ...
16:44 < clifford> rxr: it's still kinda broken in the last snap (works, but produces irritation output on package fail)
16:44 < rxr> clifford: is the gcc3 able to build most packages?
16:45 < clifford> I don't know.
16:59 -!- hack^afk is now known as hackbard
16:59 < hackbard> re
17:05 -!- blindy|away is now known as blindcoder
17:05 < blindcoder> rehi all
17:14 * anders_ is going.. time to go home for the weekend.
17:14 < anders_> ~~~ all
17:14 < huebi> bye anders_ 
17:14 < anders_> have a nice weekend all
17:14 < huebi> you too
17:14 < huebi> :-)
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17:19 < d3m|wrk> hi
17:19 -!- d3m|wrk is now known as d3mian
17:20 < huebi> hi d3mian 
17:21 < huebi> hackbard: Do you have a JavaStation?
17:21 < hackbard> yes, you dont remember it from 18c3 ?
17:22 < huebi> hackbard: Yes, but not exactly. How high is it?
17:22 < hackbard> mom, ich mess mal ab
17:22 < hackbard> :)
17:23 < huebi> 30cm, about the lenght of a A4 sheet?
17:24 < hackbard> 7cm high, 29 cm length, 18cm ehh .. breite :)
17:24 < huebi> hackbard: width
17:24 < huebi> :-))
17:24 < hackbard> :)
17:25 < huebi> http://de.sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Systems/Miscellaneous/MISC_JavaStation_JJ.html <- This one?
17:26 < hackbard> yes! 
17:27 < huebi> http://de.sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Systems/Miscellaneous/MISC_JavaStation_JK.html <- I try to get some of these for a very good price. THEY HAVE SOME FLASH RAM. (caps-lock) And they have no fan
17:27 < huebi> hackbard: do you here the fan?
17:28 < hackbard> ah thast the 2nd generation AFAIK
17:28 < hackbard> they are called cups or espresso, right?
17:28 < hackbard> mine has a fan and yes, you hear it!
17:29 < huebi> hackbard: I don't want to hear it. I want to have it in the livingroom. 
17:29 < huebi> Without any disturbance.
17:29 * huebi searching for specifikations...
17:29 < hackbard> yes, waht i wanted to say is that mr coffee actually is extremely loud
17:30 < huebi> hackbard: Really?
17:30 < huebi> I thought there is no fan inside...
17:30 < hackbard> in german: ja , im gegensatz zur leistung die sie bringt ..
17:30 < hackbard> :)
17:31 < huebi> hackbard: Ich moechte auf der JavaStation nur einen kernel und X am laufen haben. Und sie muss unhoerbar sein. Sonst taucht das nicht.
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17:33 < hackbard> okay, dann aber nicht die javastation1 aka mr. coffee
17:33 < hackbard> die hat 1. fan
17:33 < hackbard> und 2. ist x extrem langsam
17:33 < netcrow> hallo
17:33 < hackbard> hi netcrow
17:33 < d3mian> hi netcrow 
17:33 < snyke> hi netcrow
17:33 < huebi> hi netcrow 
17:33 < huebi> hmm hackbard. Dann sehe ich mir mal die 2. Generation an.
17:34 < hackbard> jo
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17:42 < huebi> Changing place now. cu later again. Then I build a new snap shot of 1.5
17:42 < huebi> :-)
17:42 < huebi> "Feierabend!"
17:43 < d3mian> bye huebi 
17:43 -!- d3mian is now known as d3m|wrk
17:43 < d3m|wrk> cu
17:45 < blindcoder> kuso... why does my kterm throw a "kterm: no available ptys"??
17:46 < hackbard> support enabled in kernel .config ?
17:47 < clifford> http://www.rocklinux.org/pics/screenshot_parasim.jpg
17:47 < hackbard> nice!
17:48 < clifford> hackbard: the simulation script is the work of 1.5 days ... :-)
17:48 < snyke> aaa LAG
17:48 < huebi> re
17:48 < huebi> I have to wait for my backup :-(
17:48 < huebi> clifford: looks good
17:49 < clifford> huebi: yes - but it shows that building on 8 nodes is more or less useless.
17:49 < hackbard> clifford: are you soon uploading a new snap or may i start with the 1317 snap?
17:49 < clifford> we need to fix the dependencies. That's what I'm now working on (after makin' another snap).
17:50 < huebi> clifford: Yes, it does.
17:50 < rxr> clifford: which packages are this? all except sf ?
17:50 < huebi> ;-(
17:50 < clifford> rxr: All except sf and thos packages which are 'marked broken'.
17:50 < blindcoder> it should... wait, I'll double-check that
17:51 < clifford> (because there is no buildtime record for the broken packages)
17:51 < rxr> for the sf packages a 8 knot cluster might be a win since there shouldn't be many dependencies ...
17:51 * snyke @kino
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17:52 < blindcoder> [*] Unix98 PTY support
17:53 < praenti> huebi: ich habe fertig. abiword, speech_tools und wine sind zu alt zum patchen. da würd ich eher neuschreiben sagen
17:53 < clifford> rxr: yes. but moste of the sf packages are broken - so ..
17:54 < rxr> ...
17:55 < rxr> I continue to fix them ...
17:56 < rxr> hm the last -pre snapshot of gcc-3.1 is out ;-)
17:57 < clifford> rxr: in the latest snapshots it should be enough to change the version in gcc3.desc for upgrading to a gcc3 snapshot ..
17:58 < huebi> praenti: new Changelog ;-))
17:58 < huebi> http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/ChangeLog
17:59 < esden> re hi all
17:59 < huebi> Oh, I see I have to do very much this weekend.
17:59 < esden> I think I need some sleep ... :-/
17:59 < huebi> but now, see you later..
18:06 < praenti> huebi: hab da einen ci vergessen mom. is jetzt drauf
18:10 < tsa> bbl
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18:32 < bluefire> Bye
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18:45 < hackbard> hmm, one must not start Build-Target (cluster build) on a Create-Link location ...
18:45 < rxr> re
18:46 < clifford> hackbard: ??
18:46 < rxr> ah some rock updates
18:48 < clifford> rxr: gcc-3.0.4/gcc/fixinc - what's that crap?
18:48 < hackbard> clifford: i have the rock-sources seperated from rock-build, but i am not allowed to run Create-Links now on the master, as far as i see
18:49 < clifford> hackbard: what's the error message?
18:50 < hackbard> it doesnt find the job queue
18:50 < hackbard> but, hmm ... i ll have a look before i continue to complain :) 
18:50 < clifford> how exactly is you fs layout on the master and how are your nfs mounts configured.
18:51 < clifford> s/\.$/?/
18:51 < hackbard>  /mnt/lfs-src/rock-src... <- the original sources including the whole packages in download
18:52 < hackbard>  /mnt/lfs/rock-build <- thats my build dir , created with Create-Links
18:52 < hackbard> exported are /mnt/lfs-src & /mnt/lfs/rock-build
18:53 < clifford> and the config on the clients?
18:53 < clifford> ... aehm ... nodes.
18:53 < hackbard> i mounted master:/mnt/lfs/rock-build to /mnt/rock-mount on the client
18:54 < clifford> hackbard: nothing else?
18:54 < hackbard> master:/mnt/lfs-src to /mnt/lfs-src 
18:54 < hackbard> and then did a Create-Link from /mnt/rock-mount to /mnt/rock-node
18:55 < clifford> aehm .. that doesn't work ..
18:55 < hackbard> actually i dont know myself what i did the last minuites :)
18:56 < clifford> did you read my BUILD-CLUSTER document?
18:56 * rxr untaring gcc-3.0.4
18:57 < hackbard> yes, but as i said, i will read it again before i continue complainig :)
18:57 < clifford> hackbard: the build/ directory must me shared with nfs, also the config/ directory.
18:58 < clifford> And every node must have full access to the entire sources including the download/ directory.
18:58 < clifford> just follow the symbolic links on the node and you will see the problem ..
18:59 < hackbard> thast why i exported /mnt/lfs-src on teh master and mounted it to /mnt/lfs-src on the cleint
18:59 < rxr> clifford: I have no idea what this stuff is about ... ?!?
19:00 < rxr> (was fixincludes)
19:00 < clifford> rxr: it's the reason why gcc depends on > 150 packages (i.e. all packages which do have header files).
19:01 < rxr> clifford: ah slowly I remember
19:02 < clifford> rxr: tell me more ... :-)
19:02 < rxr> I once saw this - maybe it is for testing purposes to generate more accurate headers ? for gcc-testing ?
19:03 < clifford> rxr: it looks like there is no configure option to turn it off ..
19:03 < rxr> clifford: I need a deeper look into it - but when I tried a gcc3 dRock I noticed that this is generating ANSI C / C++ compliant headers
19:03 < rxr> clifford: does gcc install the fixed versions ?
19:04 < hackbard> oh, the problem is i ddint do a Create-Links -build 
19:04 < hackbard> stupid me
19:04 < clifford> rxr yes. but I don't think it is needed.
19:04 < hackbard> now it works ...
19:04 < clifford> hackbard: does it work now?
19:05 < hackbard> oh, but i get errors on the master
19:05 < clifford> (btw you also need to pass the -config option to Create-Links)
19:05 < hackbard> yes i did
19:05 < clifford> hackbard: what errors?
19:05 < hackbard> may i copy paste?
19:05 < clifford> sure.
19:06 < hackbard> 19:05 2002-05-10:   creating new job '0-00-dirtree'
19:06 < hackbard> 19:05 hackstation:  finished job '0-00-dirtree' (ERROR)
19:06 < hackbard> 19:05 hackstation:  building job '0-00-dirtree' (9338) ..
19:06 < hackbard> 19:05 hackstation:  finished job '0-00-dirtree' (ERROR)
19:06 < hackbard> 19:05 hackstation:  building job '0-00-dirtree' (9338) ..
19:06 < hackbard> and so on ..
19:06 < clifford> whats in build/default-*/queue/ ?
19:07 * rxr too
19:07 < rxr> I'll take a look afetr launch
19:08 < clifford> rxr: great. I will meanwhile write my replacement for $flistdel ..
19:09 < hackbard> maybe there are still probs with my cruel fs layout ...
19:09 < rxr> clifford: why?
19:09 < rxr> the 1.5 and 1.7 version might anyway contain some typos I fixed in dRock ... ;-)
19:10 < clifford> rxr: the flist wrapper is logging the program which made the file access - I want to have the possibility to also use this information when filtering..
19:11 < clifford> hackbard: maybe you have old procs running..
19:30 < blindcoder> geez... something seems to be wrong with my ncurses...
19:32 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy|away
19:33 < huebi> reMuede!
19:33 < huebi> hehe
19:37 * huebi restarts the ROCK 1.5.12 installation on the Ultra 30 ;-)
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19:41 * rxr visiting gcc3
19:42 < clifford> rxr: I think I've fixed the problem already ..
19:42 * clifford is makin gcc3 test build right now.
19:42 < rxr> removing it from the Makefile.in
19:43 < clifford> MAKE="$MAKE STMP_FIXPROTO='' STMP_FIXINC=''"
19:43 < rxr> clifford: could we please make comments for those modifications?
19:44 < rxr> so we know in some month / years what this stuff did ...
19:45 < clifford> '# Don't run fixinc and fixproto' is already in the line above it. (but I don't know if it works so far ..)
19:49 * clifford is reading 'The Antipope' by Robert Rankin .... *rotfl*
19:53 < rxr> clifford: what is the difference of shift 2 and shift ; shift
19:55 < clifford> if there is only 1 parameter left, 'shift 2' does nothing - which results in an endless-loop.
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19:55 < rxr> clifford: ok
19:55 < tsa> hi again
19:55 < rxr> hi th 
19:55 < rxr> aerm tsa ;-)
19:56 < clifford> rxr: the make hack doesn't work ..
19:57 < tsa> rxr: hm....is LDFLAGS="-z combreloc" equal to your LD="$LD -z combreloc" ?
19:57 * tsa rebuilding mozilla
19:57 < rxr> tsa: should be - but it hasn't the desired effect anyway ...
19:58 < tsa> rxr: because it's mozilla and not glaoen?
19:58 < tsa> galeon
19:58 < rxr> tsa: I think your new build will not have a speed improvement
19:58 < rxr> tsa: no, because this does not prelink the library
19:58 < tsa> rxr: i don't know...
19:58 < tsa> i've had a look at the .spec-file from redhat
19:58 < rxr> the prelinking is sitll done in a external progeam
19:59 < rxr> tsa: and?
19:59 < tsa> most obvious difference: --without-debug on RH
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19:59 < netcrow> hi
19:59 < tsa> i'll try that when my mozilla build has finished
19:59 < tsa> hi netcrow
19:59 < rxr> tsa: ? don't we do this , too ?
19:59 < tsa> rxr: no, we don't
20:00 < rxr> must be lost in the mergings ...
20:00 < tsa> from galeon.conf: eval ./configure $confopt --with-mozilla-home=/usr/lib/mozilla
20:00 < rxr> tsa: informations about prelink are very rare ... you also need a recent glibc and binutils
20:01 < tsa> binutils 2.12.90.0.1 1.7.0-DEV-200203272252
20:01 < tsa> glibc 2.2.5 1.7.0-DEV-200202271811
20:01 < rxr> and it seems that the prelinking has to be done with an external program ...
20:01 < tsa> (this was a 1.4.0 system, a long long time ago.. )
20:01 < rxr> tsa: ok
20:01 < tsa> all updates were done with Build-Pkg, even glibc
20:02 < rxr> I spent the whole night (to 6 o'clock or so) searching through all the rare infos
20:02 < tsa> hehe
20:03 < rxr> I also emailed the authors of the two prelink utilities - but have not got an answer
20:03 < rxr> both are slightly outdated and do not work out-of-the-box with the current glibc ...
20:04 < rxr> tsa: are all redhat .spec files online somewhere ?
20:04 < tsa> rxr: uhm...i don't know...i extracted it from the src.rpm ..
20:05 * rxr hates any kind of rpm ...
20:05 * tsa too
20:05 < rxr> a url to srpms ?
20:06 < tsa> you'll find most of them on http://rpmfind.net
20:10 < rxr> the latest 1.7 snap started to build here - I'm rather curious how far it will get 
20:12 * clifford is trying another solution to the gcc3 problem ..
20:29 < rxr> clifford: have you heared anything about the object-prelinking ?
20:31 < huebi> Where can I add this: -mv8 -mtune=ultrasparc to openssl?
20:32 < ringo78> I get setting locale failed and locale not supported by c-lib what's wrong ?
20:33 < rxr> ringo78: where did you got this - on which rock tree ?
20:33 < rxr> huebi: do you only need it for openssl ?
20:33 < tsa> huebi: add it to gcc.
20:34 < tsa> GCC=gcc -mv8 ...
20:34 < rxr> tsa: na 
20:35 < rxr> using the gcc wrapper is more reliable ...
20:35 < ringo78> 1.5.12 .. Get this at start of X and when starting perl
20:35 < rxr> but maybe adding this to arch-conf/sparc/gcc-opt-irgendwas would be nicer?
20:35 < tsa> ripclaw forwarded a mail to the rock-ports list..
20:35 < rxr> ringo78: LANG is set to what?
20:35 < tsa> Subject: [rock-ports] [Stefan.Koerner@Sun.COM: FYI improving ssh2 performance
20:36 < tsa> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:20:59 +0100
20:36 < tsa> this one deals with the openssl issue on sun4u
20:36 < ringo78> sri 4 the late reaction but I am making tk and the focus keeps on switching.
20:36 < tsa> damn mozilla.
20:36 * tsa still waiting.
20:37 < huebi> What should I do now with 
20:37 < huebi> -mv8 -mtune=ultrasparc
20:37 < huebi> ?
20:37 < rxr> this depends
20:38 < rxr> CC_WRAPPER_INSERT="CC_WRAPPER_INSERT -mv8 -mtune=ultrasparc"
20:38 < rxr> or how it is named in 1.5 ...
20:38 < huebi> Icopy that and try it out.
20:38 -!- hackbard is now known as hack^
20:38 -!- hack^ is now known as hackbard
20:39 < rxr> but this combination look a bit strange
20:39 < rxr> ultrasparc is -mv9 ...
20:39 < ringo78> get this mg : "perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C")"
20:40 < rxr> ringo78: which localte are u using ?
20:40 < clifford> rxr: CC_WRAPPER_INSERT="$CC_WRAPPER_INSERT -mv8 -mtune=ultrasparc"  (you forgott the '$' .. :-)
20:41 < rxr> clifford: tnx ;-)
20:41 < ringo78> whats localte ? (sri 4 asking)
20:41 < huebi> thank you!
20:41 < clifford> man 7 locale ...  :-)
20:41 < rxr> locale 
20:41 < ringo78> ok ! reading ...
20:41 < rxr> echo $LANG
20:41 < clifford> a database with translations for program messages and other stuff ..
20:42 < clifford> or $LC_ALL and other $LC_* ..
20:44 < ringo78> thanks  !
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20:59 < rxr> argh install_init not founf *grummel*
21:05 < tsa> aaaah
21:05 < tsa> mozilla and galeon finished
21:05 < tsa> changes to .conf-file: 
21:05 < tsa> export LDFLAGS="-z combreloc"
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21:06 < tsa> addtional --without-debug
21:06 < tsa> seems to be a little bit faster.
21:06 < rxr> tsa: and difference? the -z combreloc should not give you one ...
21:06 < tsa> rxr: litte bit faster, IMHO
21:06 < clifford> rxr: fixed the gcc3 problem ..
21:07 < tsa> clifford: please add "--without-debug" to the configure options for galeon..
21:07 < clifford> tsa: -> rxr ..
21:07 < tsa> rxr: see above.
21:07 < clifford> maybe we should add '--without-debug' as general gnu configure option?
21:08 < tsa> ack.
21:08 < rxr> jups
21:08 < clifford> done. (won't be in the next snap since i'm already uploading it)
21:09 < tsa> ok
21:09 < rxr> ok - so we should remove all --dislable-debugs in package in the next time ?
21:09 < tsa> hm....i'd like to get rid of that nasty mozilla bug that mozilla once has to be started as root..
21:11 < rxr> tsa: the bug is ont present anymore 
21:11 < rxr> tsa: where do you have this ?
21:11 < tsa> rxr: it's still present.
21:12 < tsa> rxr: fresh mozilla built
21:12 < rxr> not when you use the rock 1.7 or dRock package
21:12 < tsa> i did use the 1.7 package
21:12 < rxr> export MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=$dist_bin
21:12 < rxr>         ./regxpcom | true
21:12 < rxr>         ./regchrome | true
21:12 < tsa> started as normal user - curedump
21:12 < tsa> core
21:12 < tsa> started as root - ok
21:12 < tsa> started as normal user - ok
21:13 < rxr> the above tools generate the needed registry stuff ...
21:14 < tsa> rxr: try for yourself.
21:14 < rxr> i do not need to try it works in dRock for 1/4 year now ... It worked in the last 1.6.0-rc3 build ...
21:15 < rxr> tsa: but I'll run a user motzilla the next time 1.7 compiles here ...
21:15 < tsa> ok
21:20 * clifford released snap 1.7.0-DEV-200205102059.
21:20 < clifford> I'm now away - cu.
21:20 < tsa> cu clifford
21:20 -!- clifford is now known as clifford_away
21:21 < clifford_away> btw: improved cluster performance after fixing gcc3 dependency problem: http://www.rocklinux.org/pics/screenshot_parasim.jpg
21:21 < tsa> clifford_away: i like your sawfish theme..
21:21 < huebi> cu clifford_away 
21:21 < tsa> i did even try to click on it..
21:21 < d3m|wrk> cu wolf
21:27 -!- cap_ [~cap@pD9048555.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:27 < tsa> hi cap_
21:28 -!- d3m|wrk is now known as d3mian
21:28 < cap_> hi
21:28 < d3mian> yo capchaos
21:28 < cap_> ;-)
21:28 < rxr> cap_: 
21:28 < rxr> !
21:29 < rxr> You wanted to report mayn spelling fixes ? ;-)
21:31 < d3mian> :)
21:32 < rxr> erm many ;-)
21:32 < tsa> hihi
21:32 < d3mian> yes, i noted that :>
21:32 < tsa>  /nick aspell
21:32 < tsa> ;)
21:32 < huebi> sparc is not the easyest to boot. Specialy if there are no SCSI drivers in the kernel and no working compiler ;P
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21:32 < rxr> tsa: you are aspell ? ;-)
21:33 < rxr> tsa: you could read over all rock and dRock scripts! ;-)
21:33 < cap__> rxr: the ./scripts/Download -ext alias is documented but not in the scripts.. 
21:33 < rxr> cap__: ah yes - this got removed. I'll update the docs
21:33 < tsa> rxr: no, i am not.
21:33 < cap__> why removed?
21:34 < rxr> because this concept was totally broken in 1.4 
21:34 < rxr> most packages are in our base ...
21:34 * tsa usink more spellink errors from now on
21:34 < rxr> tsa: hey I do not do that evil spelling mistakes ...
21:35 * huebi is jusink Netzkappe vor brausinc.
21:35 < tsa> rxr: this is pitr mode.
21:35 < rxr> tsa: but his emails look pretty good ;-)
21:35 < tsa> hehe
21:35 < huebi> McDonad's mode ;>
21:36 < huebi> +l
21:36 < cap__> rxr: ah ok.. another question: is there a way to contribute / rockanize packages ?
21:36 < rxr> cap__: you should contribute them to ROCK-1.7
21:36 < tsa> cap_: there's a howto somewhere in Documentation/..
21:36 < rxr> cap__: which packages do you think about ?
21:37 < cap__> rxr: gaim e.g.
21:37 < rxr> oh gaim
21:37 < tsa> .oO( no category discussion. PLEASE!)
21:38 < rxr> cap__: this one is also an option for dRock-1.6.0 ;-)
21:38 < tsa> hm....you'll need souceforge cvs access if you want to maintain your packages..
21:38 < cap__> rxr: i didnt find it..
21:38 < rxr> tsa: no you
21:38 < rxr> don't
21:38 < rxr> cap__: I meant an option to go into dRock before 1.6.0 ;-)
21:39 < tsa> rxr: 
21:39 < tsa> what
21:39 < tsa> else
21:39 < tsa> ?
21:39 < rxr> contribute it into a normal 1.7 repository
21:39 < tsa> rxr: which means what - make package, send it to the list?
21:39 < rxr> I really think sf should be slit into smaller peaces of logical untis.
21:39 < rxr> for example
21:39 < tsa> rxr: ack. 
21:40 < rxr> or to the repository maintainer
21:40 < tsa> x11/* is logical
21:40 < rxr> tsa: for what? gaim ?
21:40 < tsa> extra(1|2) isn't.
21:40 < tsa> rxr: general.
21:40 < tsa> rxr: but then all those logigal units have to be available to pkg maintainers.
21:41 < rxr> extra1 was indented for normal but not basic packages - but cliff turned it into a stuff of Rene repository ...
21:41 < tsa> i know.
21:41 < tsa> i'd like to see everything on a central cvs repository.
21:41 < tsa> not just sf stuff.
21:41 < rxr> urgh
21:41 < tsa> like huebi has for 1.6
21:41 < rxr> ok - i have no time for this discussion
21:42 < tsa> hehe
21:42 < rxr> (hopfully cliff and me continue it the way it is ;-)
21:42 < rxr> cap__:  back to you
21:42 < cap__> rxr: i only want to include packages that are not officially part of dRock or Rock into its scripts & indexes so i dont have to compiled it "manually"  every installation
21:43 < rxr> cap__: any package you need can go into ROCK
21:43 < tsa> rxr: and developers won't have access to their own packages?
21:43 < tsa> must send patches to a "tree maintainer".
21:44 < cap__> rxr: how do you mean?
21:44 < rxr> argh chaos here
21:44 < cap__> ;)
21:44 -!- cap__ is now known as capchaos
21:45 < rxr> cap__: I meant: yes, sure, great feel free to send over package configs for the packages you need they will go into ROCK 1.7
21:46 < rxr> capchaos: take a look into Documentation/Developers/HACKING-HOWTO
21:46 < rxr> of 1.7
21:46 < capchaos> yep thx i'll do
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21:47 < huebi> capchaos: If you have patches for 1.5 upload them as anonymous@ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/upload ;-)
21:48 < tsa> oh, cool. place to store my backups ;)
21:48 < huebi> root@ella:~# df -h
21:48 < huebi> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
21:48 < huebi> /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target1/lun0/part1
21:48 < huebi>                       3.9G  3.6G  144M  97% /
21:48 < huebi> none                  502M     0  502M   0% /dev/shm
21:48 < huebi> /dev/datavg/datengrab
21:48 < huebi>                       298G  192G  106G  65% /home
21:48 < huebi> only 106 gig
21:48 < tsa> sufficient
21:49 < tsa> 2x 18gb + 1x 13gb
21:49 < tsa> 3x 18gb soon. will get rid of damn 13gb IDE disk
21:49 < tsa> just need something else for my mp3 collection
21:49 < huebi> tsa: feel free for a Gigabit uplink
21:49 < tsa> hehe
21:50 < tsa> /dev/discs/disc0/part1
21:50 < tsa>                        13G   12G  1.2G  90% /vol/multimedia/mp3
21:50 < huebi> tsa: Tahn you can have 1GB for backups
21:50 < tsa> hm....how to fit 13gb mp3z in 1gb of backup?
21:50 < huebi> tsa: I mean 1TB
21:51 < tsa> hehe
21:51 < tsa> ;)
21:53 < huebi> ok tsa. You can have Two Terabyte ;)
21:53 < tsa> ROTFL
21:53 < huebi> 3?
21:53 < tsa> i'll need a oc3 connection forst to fill up all the space..
21:53 < tsa> first
21:54 < huebi> oc3?
21:54 < tsa> atm 155mbit
21:54 < rxr> capchaos: for stuff like gaim not much config is needed ...
21:54 < huebi> here in Darmstadt you can have 128GBit
21:54 < rxr> capchaos: take a look into package/x11/sawfish
21:54 < rxr> for example ;-)
21:55 < huebi> since 2 Years
21:55 < tsa> huebi: hehe....what do you have to do for that?
21:55 < capchaos> rxr: but you cant include every package one would need for himself ..?
21:55 < rxr> capchaos: hae?
21:55 < rxr> capchaos: sure we would include every package s.o. sends over
21:56 < capchaos> rxr: e.g. i want a gtk strip poker game (just a bad example) you woulds include it would you? *g*
21:56 < capchaos> *wouldnt
21:56 < tsa> capchaos: sure..
21:56 < rxr> not in dRock - but in 1.7: yes
21:56 < huebi> You need good connections to Ron Sommer's Forschungs und Technologie Zentrum. It's something mysterious also visited by Bill Gates...
21:56 < tsa> hehe
21:57 < huebi> in 2000 they had the first 128GBit line to Giessen.
21:58 < huebi> on a single fibre line
21:59 < tsa> nice.
22:00 < huebi> tsa: Yes, it is. Only the wrong company owns it. ;>
22:01 < tsa> hehe
22:01 * huebi compiling egcs64 on the Ultra30...
22:06 < tsa> single or dual cpu system?
22:08 < huebi> tsa: dual ;> 1 UltraSparcii 300MHz / 2MB and 1 AMD K6-2/400
22:08 < huebi> no joke
22:08 < tsa> PCi
22:08 < huebi> exact
22:09 < tsa> you need a raid controller with strongARM risc cpu on it..
22:09 < tsa> 3 cpu's ;)
22:09 < huebi> I got it for ~85 EUR
22:10 < tsa> hm...that's pretty cheap
22:10 < huebi> tsa: I have a i960...
22:10 < tsa> mylex?
22:10 < huebi> NO! Of course NOT! ICP-Vortex
22:10 < tsa> uh..
22:11 < tsa> bad experience with icp vortex controllers and linux here..
22:11 < huebi> what did happen?
22:11 < tsa> old firmware version which rebuilt a broken disk on one of the remaining working disk..
22:12 < tsa> the problem is fixed in the meanwhile..
22:12 < huebi> kool. Very moch fun. :-(
22:12 < tsa> sure.
22:12 < tsa> always good to have some extra backup..
22:12 * rxr happy that the 1.7 tree now compiles more than 3 1/2 packages
22:13 < huebi> rxr: hehe
22:13 < tsa> rxr: cool. let's release it ;)
22:13 < rxr> tsa: ?
22:13 < rxr> huebi: 2 weeks ago 1.7 compiles nearly all non sf packages - only last week changes where alightly buggy ...
22:14 < huebi> tsa: I don't like RAID if it comes from Compaq or HP. They buy and sell junk disks.
22:16 < tsa> hehe
22:18 < huebi> tsa: use scsiinfo and have a look at the manufacturers defects list. 3000 to 7000 defect on a new 18GB disk! Normal are <100
22:18 < tsa> uh...this is really bad.
22:19 < huebi> 10 days ago, the eNTe department had 3 out of 5 disks broken in a RAID5 array.
22:20 < d3mian> who
22:20 < tsa> NT..
22:20 < tsa> huebi: at least, they could blame microsoft for it.. ;)
22:21 < huebi> no they blame IBM
22:24 < tsa> hehe
22:32 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p50803247.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:33 < d3mian> hi chrismine
22:33 < chrisime> hiho
22:56 < huebi> http://dubinski-family.org/~jshowto/Files/photos/krups_front_view.jpg <- looks nice :-)
22:56 < huebi> http://www.idsa.org/whatis/seewhat/idea98/winners/javastation.htm <- and even nicer ...
22:57 < tsa> hehe
23:08 < tsa> Group: comp.sys.sun.hardware
23:08 < tsa>  I 
23:08 < tsa> >> personally hope that a stronger partnership is formed between SuSE and SUN.  
23:08 < tsa> >> SuSE has all the flash and polish in there distros, and SUN has the code to  
23:08 < tsa> >> make LINUX a better performer.
23:09 < tsa> oh gott - bitte keine SuSE OS..
23:10 < huebi> IBM hat SuXe gekauft. Die machen nichts mit SUN. Sonst ist das Venture Kapital wieder wech...
23:10 < tsa> ich hoffe es mal ganz stark.
23:10 < tsa> an dem tag, an dem suse primaer-os fuer sun wird, ist meine u10 auf ebay..
23:10 < huebi> man kann nie wissen... aber Rotkaeppchen ist sehr stark in USA
23:11 < tsa> jupp, ich weiss...
23:11 < tsa> setzen wir @work ein - mag ich auch nicht.
23:11 < huebi> tsa: das heisst SuXe ;-)))
23:11 < tsa> ack - ist notiert.
23:11 < huebi> hehe
23:12 < huebi> Rock 2.0 mit funktionirendem Update system wird nur sher schwer fuer den Produktionseinsatz zu schlabgen sein.
23:12 < tsa> ich hoffe es..
23:13 < tsa> updates sind da doch schon irgendwie KO-kriterium..
23:13 < tsa> performance haben wir ja schon ;)
23:13 < huebi> ( wo bleibt eigendlich das aspell plugin fuer irssi? )  ;-)))
23:13 < tsa> hehe
23:15 * tsa hofft ja immer noch, dass die packages fuer die maintainer verfuegbar bleiben und das nicht alles auf den platten von irgendwelchen tree-maintainern landet..
23:16 < huebi> tsa: sf cvs sucks! und world ist am Sack. Mal abwarten was sich wann ergibt
23:16 < tsa> jupp, ich weiss.
23:17 -!- snyke [~snyke@194.174.14.16] has joined #rocklinux
23:17 < snyke> hi u
23:17 < tsa> ..und rene moechte offenbar unbedingt offline-trees mit write-zugriff nur fuer tree-maintainer..
23:17 * d3mian counts how many times he has listened: sf cvs sucks!
23:17 < d3mian> hi snyke 
23:18 < rxr> tsa: I promissed to add gnome-2 for some time now ...
23:18 < tsa> hi snyke
23:18 < snyke> hidiho@ll
23:18 < rxr> since we still want to include all gnome1 (for compatibility - and because much is not yet ready for gnome2)
23:19 < rxr> should i rename all old package (gtk glib ...) to $pkg1 
23:19 < tsa> rxr: gnome 2.0.0 will probably be nearly unusable because of missing applications..
23:19 < rxr> or the new ones to $pkg2 ?
23:19 < rxr> yes - this is why all old packages should be still in place ..
23:19 < tsa> rxr: better rename the old ones since the new versions will become the standard
23:19 < rxr> i think i add the new ones with the name +2 because otherwise the diffs bekome huge ...
23:20 < tsa> ok
23:20 < rxr> (and if we would use cvs I would die in endless remove add oprtations ...)
23:20 < tsa> ack - another repository with shell access would be nice.
23:21 < rxr> when we delete outdated packages in some month we can rename the packages back to the -2 less name ...
23:21 < rxr> tsa: shell acces? breaking the repository every week? :-(
23:21 < rxr> s/acces/access/ ...
23:22 < tsa> rxr: work on your local tree and commit changes.
23:22 < tsa> if you check in broken stuff, everything will break.
23:22 < rxr> cool a new IBM Linux / Unix commercial on TV ;-)
23:22 < tsa> which one is it?
23:23 < rxr> the basketball game  ;-)
23:23 < tsa> da gibts zur zeit auch noch ne andere, beworbenes produkt ist backup-krams.
23:24 < tsa> da fallen irgendwelche leute um, ist auch ganz nett gemacht.
23:24 < rxr> egal hauptsache die zeigen Unix bzw. Linux moeglichst oft ;-)
23:37 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux
23:37 < Mike1> Hi
23:47 < tsa> hi Mike1
23:49 < Mike1> tsa How are you today?
23:49 < tsa> fine. and you?
23:49 < huebi> good night. cu tomorrow. ;)
23:49 < tsa> cu huebi
23:50 < Mike1> n8 huebi 
23:50 < Mike1> fine thanks tsa 
23:57 < d3mian> hallo Mike1 
23:57 < Mike1> Hola d3mian 
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