--- Log opened Wed May 15 00:00:52 2002
--- Day changed Wed May 15 2002
00:05 < zUnE> ok, got passed that.  compiling again.  lets see how far
00:06 < huebi> zUnE: What did you do?
00:07 < zUnE> the included source of berkeleydb 3.2.9 includes a patch that something is wrong with.  look at the makefile.mk   and comment out the patch apply
00:07 < zUnE> it compiled fine here then, still going
00:07 < huebi> zUnE: KOOL. tHANK YOU
00:08 < zUnE> very welcome
00:11 < rxr> cool - the updated driver works on the second try ;-)
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00:11 < huebi> rxr: which driver?
00:11 < zUnE> still compiling..
00:11 < zUnE> :)
00:12 < huebi> zUnE: Did you use my notice?
00:13 < zUnE> i dont think so,  i read from openoffice homepage
00:13 < zUnE> tcsh
00:13 < huebi> ok
00:13 < zUnE> dmake
00:15 < zUnE> my configure line went like this,  ./configure --with-jdk-home=/mypath --with-lang=ALL
00:15 < zUnE> after getting gpc clipper files and installed STLport
00:16 < zUnE> then tcsh,   source LinuxIntelEnv.Set
00:16 < zUnE> then dmake
00:16 < zUnE> or wait first  ./bootstrap
00:16 < zUnE> then dmake
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00:17 < huebi> zUnE: Thank you
00:18 < huebi> YES!! The kernel compiles for sparc64 now
00:18 < zUnE> that jar and db stuff thats in you files i did not need
00:19 < hackbard> is there sth liek cron on windows? *duck*
00:19 < huebi> zUnE: I patch makefile.mk too
00:19 < huebi> Widoof scripting host?
00:19 < tsa> hackbard: "at"
00:20 < zUnE> cool,  would be very nice to have an optimised openoffice build.  its a bit slow
00:20 < rxr> huebi: scanner driver for Avision scanners (included in SANE ;-)
00:20 < hackbard> realy, at?
00:20 < hackbard> hui ..
00:20 < huebi> tsa: <- Mine Sweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert - MCSE
00:20 < huebi> hehe
00:20 < huebi> rxr: axo
00:21 < rxr> huebi: hey was heisst hir ach so ?? :-(
00:22 < huebi> rxr: I had to make some experiences with scanners and linux. Was quite mucht to do and t test till it worked.
00:23 < tsa> huebi: not really..
00:23 < rxr> rxr: ? there is not much to make a supoprted scanner work ...
00:23 < huebi> But then it was _much easer than with Windose
00:25 < huebi> the biggest problem was to find out the exact scanner type.
00:26 < rxr> ah - for some OEM and no-name scanner this might be non-easy - but they should also get auto-detected ;-)
00:27 < zUnE> ahh, scanner.  got an old one working recently.  a parallell port scanner.  had to use that Plustek driver
00:27 < rxr> the one shipped as external archive ?
00:27 < rxr> needing the pl_drc_xyz kernel module ?
00:28 < zUnE> dont think so,   th kernel module was in the plustek package (compiled with sane-backends)
00:29 < zUnE> funny thing, it only got recognized if i forced the driver to be SPP
00:30 * rxr puzzled
00:31 < zUnE> PRIMAX 4800 is the name of the scanner
00:31 < rxr> I did not got where the kernel module came from ?
00:31 < huebi> zUnE: cp: cannot stat `../../STLport-4.5.3/lib/libstlport_gcc_debug.so': No such file or directory <- which STL version do you have?
00:31 < zUnE> wait your right,   pt_drv  its called
00:31 < rxr> zUnE: AHH! ;-) 
00:32 < rxr> zUnE: funny thing here: I have a friend that has a no-name scanner from a german super-marked branch 
00:32 < rxr> it is also a plustek device using this driver
00:32 < zUnE> huebi, its 4.5.3
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00:32 < rxr> it is only very slow (preview 1 minute) and does not recognize and faster moe than normal IO
00:32 < rxr> so no EPP SPP ... :-( really slow 
00:32 < rxr> hi clifford 
00:32 < zUnE> i.c
00:32 < huebi> zUnE: hmmm...
00:33 < clifford> hi.
00:33 < rxr> zUnE: we tried to contact the author - but his mailbox is full (get an auto-error reply) for weeks now
00:33 < rxr> clifford: what does you sblive ?
00:33 < zUnE> i think i speced the configure  with a  --with-stlport=/usr
00:34 < clifford> doing good.
00:34 < hackbard> rxr: i want build midimountain on 1.5 - do i have to change somthing special whicjh wont work, eg CC_WRAPPER_INSERT?
00:34 < hackbard> oh, or clifford if ur back :)
00:35 < clifford> .. i don't think you really want to have midimountain ..
00:35 < hackbard> oh.
00:35 < rxr> *clifford is getting our MIDI expert*
00:35 < rxr> ;-)
00:35 < hackbard> but it looks great on the screenshots
00:36 < clifford> yes. but I still not figured out how to add a single tome to the song ..
00:36 < zUnE> still compiling..
00:37 < zUnE> wonder how long time it will take with an athlon 1333
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00:44 < zUnE> time for a night coffee
00:45 < zUnE> so i wont fall asleep to early..
00:45 < holyolli> hehe
00:47 < esden> re clifford 
00:47 < esden> re hi all
00:47 < clifford> hi esden
00:47 < esden> clifford: got my msg ?
00:47 < clifford> about the screenshot ..
00:47 < esden> yepp ...
00:47 < clifford> I didn't understand whats so special about it.
00:48 < esden> clifford: nothing reallp
00:48 < esden> y
00:48 < esden> I think it looks good
00:48 < clifford> oh.
00:48 < esden> it is a screenhsot of a dualhead box
00:48 < clifford> i know..
00:48 < esden> and I thought you would like to include it ...
00:49 < clifford> you could create a screenshots page in your people/ dir and i will link it ..
00:49 < esden> kk
00:49 < esden> was only a suggestion ...
00:49 < rxr> esden: I could also put it to the dRock page and note explicitly that it is generic ROCK ...
00:50 < esden> rxr: hehe 
00:50 < zUnE> im getting worried.. openoffice still compiling..  not even any warnings..  cant have it complete now can we.  some error must come soon 
00:50 < esden> sure you can do it ...
00:50 < rxr> esden: if you like ...
00:51 < tsa> hm...strange mail on sage list
00:51 < tsa> Notification for Payment Received!
00:51 < esden> I simply do not want that people think that you need drock to get a good desktop
00:51 < tsa> interesting.
00:51 < esden> (nothing against drock ... I like it though)
00:52 < tsa> esden: screenshot? where?
00:52 < esden> argh my netscape died
00:52 < tsa> netscape..
00:52 < rxr> netscape ?
00:52 < tsa> always dies here, too..
00:52 < tsa> i really like galeon
00:53 < rxr> the 4.x one ? Or what netscape ?
00:53 < esden> tsa: http://www.esden.net/desktops/shots/desk_natalie.png
00:53 < huebi> Applying '00-lame.patch' ...
00:53 < tsa> huebi: hm? patch for lame?
00:53 < esden> huebi: rofl !!
00:53 < huebi>  
00:53 < huebi> Extracting linux-2.4.18-rc4.tar.bz2 (--use-compress-program=bzip2 -xf) ... done.
00:53 < huebi> Applying '00-lame.patch' ...
00:53 < huebi> Applying '05-devfs-not-exp.patch' ...
00:53 < huebi>  m
00:54 < tsa> ah..ok
00:54 < esden> huebi: the best patch I ovor wrote ;-)
00:54 < tsa> esden's patch, i guess..
00:54 < huebi> tsa: esdens special lame patch for rock
00:54 < huebi> Exclusively for l4m3rz
00:55 < tsa> hehe
00:55 < holyolli> hah! endlich mal nen bild, was sich richtig sauber auf dem gesamten desktop anzeigen lässt! ;)
00:55 < tsa> hm...esden uses gkrellm, too..
00:55 < tsa> esden: what windowmanager is this?
00:55 < rxr> esden: I do not say that you onyl get a dektop with dRock ...
00:55 < rxr> esden: on http://www.rocklinux.org/people/rene/drock/drock.html even the normal ROCK features are mentioned ...
00:56 < esden> rxr: nono !! 
00:56 < rxr> esden: sure much got merged into 1.5 and 1.7 - though ...
00:56 < holyolli> .oO(is esden running x on an alpha?)
00:57 < esden> but someone could think that ... or something ...
00:57 < rxr> an there will only be a 1.4.2 and 1.6.0 dRock -> any further work will be in 1.7 ;-)
00:57 < esden> holyolli: sure ... enlightenment .. it is pretty fast ... (no joke)
00:57 < tsa> that's the point i like most..
00:58 < holyolli> hm.
00:58 < esden> clifford: you could also include the lame patch in 1.7 ;-)
01:00 < tsa> hm...
01:00 < tsa> evolution still segfaulting here..
01:00 < tsa> but gnome catches the sig11, therefore no core file to inspect..
01:01 < clifford> esden: lame patch?
01:01 < tsa> hm...ltrace evolution shows two different things - malloc and free.
01:02 < tsa> does evolution really do anything but use up memory?
01:02 < clifford> I'm not going include a `lame' patch ..  :-)
01:02 < esden> clifford: yes ... it is adding an option to the kernel that is REALLY importaint 
01:02 < tsa> *sigh*
01:02 < clifford> esden: the multi-cpu thing?
01:02 < esden> clifford: probbably the _most_ importaint 
01:03 < esden> clifford: noo ... I am still working on the multi-cpu thing ... :-( 
01:03 < tsa> poor clifford.
01:03 < clifford> (esden would ce a good car dealer)
01:03 < tsa> hahaha
01:04 < clifford> the price is always the lest thibng he mentions ..
01:04 < esden> clifford: or other stuff dealer ;-)
01:04 < esden> clifford: money what is it ... I have not seen any for decades ;-)
01:04 < clifford> no - that's my job - http://druginfo.clifford.at/druginfo/
01:05 < clifford> so you might not be a so good car dealer ..
01:06 < esden> clifford: I have not try to deal cars ... that is probably why I have not seen money till now 
01:06 < tsa> clifford: what exactly is "Dorgen"?
01:06 < tsa> ;)
01:07 < clifford> tsa: http://druginfo.clifford.at/druginfo/basic_drogen.html
01:08 < tsa> clifford: yes...it says something about Drogen....but in the menu, there's a point "Dorgen" ;-)
01:08 < tsa> (menu = stuff on left side)
01:08 < rxr> tsa: you seem to have taken too much of Drogen ..
01:09 < tsa> rxr: or Dorgen? ;)
01:09 * clifford will fix ..
01:09 < rxr> or Dorgen ;-)
01:09 < tsa> hehe
01:09 < tsa> clifford: fine ;)
01:09 < hackbard> des Rausches in dem Hatz der
01:09 < hackbard>                           Hanfpflanze lieg
01:09 < hackbard> fix that too :)
01:09 < rxr> clifford: also many Rechliches Links to not yield info ...
01:09 < clifford> that's not my file.
01:09 < clifford> also.
01:10 < clifford> the project is pretty old and wie didn't continue working on it for a while now ..
01:11 < hackbard> we had stechapfel in our garden
01:11 < hackbard> my mom called them engelstrompeten
01:11 < hackbard> :-)
01:11 < zUnE> at last! an error stopped it..
01:11 < zUnE> ;)
01:12 < clifford> i think i will spend some time fixing midimountain.
01:12 < rxr> clifford: o shit I forgot an important patch
01:13 < clifford> which?
01:13 < rxr> adding the new pkgconfig PATH creation to misc/profiles ..
01:13 < rxr> so nearly nothing of gnome2 will compile 
01:13 < rxr> (although I would never install it anyways ...)
01:14 < clifford> :-)
01:14 < clifford> send me the patch.
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01:15 < huebi> libdb_cxx-3.2.so: undefined symbol: cerr <- any idea?
01:15 < tsa> oh-oh
01:15 < esden> n8
01:16 < esden> @ *
01:16 < clifford> n8
01:16 < huebi> nacht esden 
01:16 < tsa> huebi: try rebuilding berkeley db
01:16 < rxr> clifford: out
01:16 < rxr> cu esden 
01:16 < tsa> looks like there are old header files anywhere
01:17 < rxr> tsa: ? cerr is the C++ error stream
01:17 < rxr> this should not be a berkeley db issue ... 
01:17 < hackbard> will there be another snap today then?
01:17 < rxr> hackbard: gnome2 needs still some polish - not all compiles yet ...
01:17 < clifford> maybe it's not linked to the right libstdc++
01:17 < hackbard> rxr: okay
01:18 < hackbard> i just want to have a 1.7 booting as fast as possible, as there are so many new packages which i dont want to adjust for 1.5 if i want to build them
01:20 < clifford> rxr: applied.
01:20 < clifford> ich mach einen neuen snap sowie meine downloads fertig sind.
01:21 < rxr> i do not like all the pkgconfig and auto* stuff - why is this stuff that ugly ...
01:22 < hackbard> puh, generic source now has 724M ..
01:23 < clifford> why does mister filus send german mails to the list?
01:23 < rxr> another question I already asked: the RFC packages still have checksum errors here - didn't you hacked that the RFC packages do not chksum fail anymore ?
01:23 * rxr fetchmail
01:24 < clifford> rxr:
01:24 < hackbard> i remember having problems downloding them with -mirror none
01:24 < clifford> [D] XXXXXXXXXX RFCs3001-latest.tar.gz ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/tar/
01:24 < clifford> [D] 1880233712 RFCs0001-0500.tar.gz   ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/tar/
01:24 < clifford> [D] 2381640450 RFCs0501-1000.tar.gz   ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/tar/
01:24 < clifford> usw.
01:24 < tsa> hm...openoffice doesn't like to live together with staroffice already installed..
01:24 < rxr> clifford: no idea - and no comment to Mr. Filus ...
01:24 < clifford> I thought that only the -latest file would change ..
01:24 < rxr> ERROR: Found download/base/rfc/RFCs0001-0500.tar.gz.cksum-err.
01:24 < rxr> ...
01:25 < clifford> rxr: how big is the file you got?
01:25 < rxr> just deleted -> redownload ...
01:26 < clifford> too bad.
01:26 < clifford> I just wonder why those files should change ..
01:26 < tsa> hm....
01:26 < tsa> http://gd.tuwien.ac.at
01:26 < tsa> sucks.
01:26 < clifford> afair the INDEX file is in all this archives.
01:26 < clifford> tsa: why?
01:27 < tsa> clifford: because it delivers non-present stuff with "302 Found"...
01:27 < rxr> Cksum ERROR: download/base/rfc/RFCs0001-0500.tar.gz.cksum-err (3145208774)
01:27 < rxr> Finished downloading 7444787 bytes in 62.715 seconds (118708.236 bytes/sec).
01:27 < tsa> ..and returns you a html document
01:27 < clifford> tsa: oh. yes - that sucks.
01:27 < clifford> rxr: how big is the tar.gz ?
01:27 < tsa> this means, if you try to use it as a mirror and it doesn't already have that file, the html file is downloaded and cksum'd..
01:28 < rxr> 7444787 bytes
01:28 < tsa> GET /sdfsdfs HTTP/1.1
01:28 < tsa> Host: gd.tuwien.ac.at
01:28 < tsa> HTTP/1.1 302 Found
01:28 < tsa> *sigh*
01:29 < rxr> tsa: I do not use mirrors ....
01:29 < clifford> rxr: is this a tar.gz or tar.bz2 file?
01:30 < rxr> that is the downloaded size
01:30 < rxr> the converted files are :
01:30 < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 rene     users     7444787 May 15 01:26 RFCs0001-0500.tar.gz.cksum-err
01:30 < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 rene     users     5284869 May 15 01:27 RFCs0501-1000.tar.gz.cksum-err
01:30 < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 rene     users    13595160 May 15 01:29 RFCs1001-1500.tar.gz.cksum-err
01:30 < rxr> should I post some checksums ?
01:31 < clifford> hmmm .. my one is only 700106 butes big.
01:31 < clifford> I will simply remove also the other rfc checksums.
01:31 < rxr> ok
01:32 < rxr> today I saw BSD ports files the first time in my live ;-) - Much more simple and hardcoded than ROCK ;-)
01:33 < rxr> clifford: btw it is ok that metacity/no-tar-yet fails do download - there is not yet a tar-ball. It is only possible to pull it from CVS ...
01:34 < clifford> rxr: put a '?' in front of the url. that way it's marked as questionable.
01:35 < rxr> clifford: and what is done with such an URL ?
01:35 < clifford> nothing. they are ignored by the download script (produce a warning message)
01:36 < huebi> == 01:32:43 =[3]=> Building base package xfree86 [4.2.0 1.5.14_2002-05-14_03h06]. <- all wnet well now
01:36 < huebi> n8
01:37 < huebi> on Sparc64
01:38 < clifford> rxr: I will go sleeping now. snapshot with patch will follow tomorrow ..
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01:38 < rxr> sure good night - I'll take sleep now , too. cu
01:39 < rxr> cu all
01:40 < zUnE> night
01:40 < zUnE> hmm, failed at linking a lib
01:43 < hackbard> hmm, and i already deleted the last rock-src as i thought there wil be a new one now :p
01:45 < zUnE> im talking about openoffice, if its me you mean  :)
01:45 < hackbard> no, about the snap which will go out tommorrow and not now :)
01:47 < zUnE> ah
02:00 < hackbard> hmm, i start building anyways
02:00 < hackbard> good night!
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02:17 < tsa> soo...
02:17 * tsa going to sleep
02:17 < tsa> cya all
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02:23 < zUnE> what?  time is only 02:23 am
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02:40 < zUnE> night
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04:47 < d3mian> hola todos
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06:07 < praenti>   moin
06:21 < praenti> no one here. so i'm going to breakfast
06:22 < d3mian> enjoy it michael :)
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07:33 < d3mian> yo capchaos 
07:34 < capchaos> re d3mian
07:34 < d3mian> wie geht es dir meinne freund?
07:34 < capchaos> heh gut, und wie stehts bei dir?
07:34 < d3mian> danke, gut
07:35 < capchaos> ;)
07:35 < d3mian> capchaos: how do u access the internet, ppp?
07:36 < capchaos> yes
07:38 < d3mian> using rock?
07:39 < capchaos> dRock 1.6 rc3
07:39 < d3mian> dial up?
07:39 < capchaos> flatrate
07:40 < d3mian> umm, i need to set up a ppp dialup coneection in rock, but i have some probs
07:41 < d3mian> "Daemon was died Unexpectly" -> this is the error (after dial)
07:41 < d3mian> da u have any idea about this?
07:41 < capchaos> hum
07:41 < capchaos> what did you do to set it up?
07:42 < d3mian> in kppp and gnome dialup tool
07:42 < d3mian> both
07:42 < capchaos> nothing more?
07:42 < d3mian> nop
07:43 < capchaos> is there a /etc/pppt/options file with proper values?
07:43 < capchaos> /etc/ppp/options
07:43 < capchaos> and /etc/resolv.conf with some nameservers to resolve ?
07:43 < d3mian> there is no that file, by default there is no those files in drock 1.4.2
07:43 < d3mian> resolve.conf is ok
07:43 < d3mian> and cache too
07:43 < d3mian> all dns config is ok
07:43 < capchaos> the daemons needs a /etc/ppp/options
07:44 < capchaos> touch /etc/ppp/options
07:44 < d3mian> even if im using kppp?
07:44 < capchaos> even if the file is empty and the daemons gets all it through parameters
07:44 < capchaos> yes
07:45 < d3mian> ok, isee
07:45 < d3mian> ill touch that file
07:45 < d3mian> what else?
07:45 < capchaos> dunno
07:45 < capchaos> try it out
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07:46 < capchaos> d3mian: ya have an /etc/resolv.conf ?
07:46 < capchaos> hi th
07:46 < d3mian> umm, a partner is telling me he has the same prob with slack8, and it has those files
07:46 < capchaos> hmm
07:46 < d3mian> hehe
07:46 < d3mian> yes, i have one
07:46 < d3mian> to my ISP dns
07:48 < d3mian> i think is a /etc/ppp/* prob, with those files
07:48 < capchaos> d3mian: i dont know what kppp does
07:48 < capchaos> hm
07:48 < capchaos> d3mian: you could set it up by hand
07:49 < d3mian> yes, i would like
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07:56 < capchaos> hi th
07:56 < huebi_> moin
07:57 < d3mian> hi huebi_ 
07:57 < capchaos> morgn huebi_
07:59 < praenti> moin die 2.
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07:59 < huebi> xfree86 did compile ;-))
08:00 < huebi> needed 2h45
08:00 * praenti is hoping that now his conpile is running
08:00 < praenti> perhaps i should look at it...
08:01 < praenti> hehe. compile is at xfree86 ;-)
08:02 < praenti> argh. and aborted.
08:02 < praenti> huebi: have you fixed any things at this paket?
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08:10 < aszlig> hi
08:11 < praenti> hi aszlig 
08:11 < d3mian> hola az
08:11 < aszlig> hi praenti ;)
08:12 < aszlig> praenti: heh, you're awake ;)
08:13 < praenti> aszlig: yes. why not?
08:13 < aszlig> praenti: hrm, cause it's 08:13 am :P
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08:17 < praenti> aszlig: i couldnt sleep any longer
08:18 < aszlig> praenti: "sleep"? wtf is that?
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08:31 < bluefire> moin
08:31 < aszlig> hullo
08:34 < d3mian> sleep is hola bluefire 
08:35 < d3mian> :2 dw
08:44 < rxr> re
08:45 < d3mian> hola r^2
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08:48 < freed> hi
08:48 < d3mian> hola freed 
08:48 < rxr> moin freed 
08:48 < freed> guten morgen ;)
08:50 < d3mian> i have to leave and continue hardcoding @ my bed :)
08:50 < d3mian> culater guys
08:50 < freed> cu
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09:26 < rxr> moin capchaos 
09:26 < capchaos> hi rene
09:40 < huebi> re
09:40 < huebi> praenti: What went wrong?
09:50 < rxr> cu
09:50 < huebi> cu rxr 
10:22 < hack^zzZ> cool, gcc3 fails in stage1 as the old linker doesnt know --eh-frame-hdr but it builds fine in stage3
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10:22 < hackbard> morning!
10:23 < d3m|home> guten morgen frank
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10:23 < hackbard> morning jonathan
10:24 < huebi> hi hackbard 
10:24 < huebi> hi d3mian 
12:09 < d3mian> when can u spend a bit of time and give me some things in nemesis come back here Miguel?
12:10 < huebi> cu Mike1^zZzZ 
12:11 < rxr> re
12:11 < d3mian> hi rene
12:12 < d3mian> i continue wrkng , cu guys
12:12 < huebi> cu d3mian 
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12:36 < term_emu> re
12:37 < huebi> hi term_emu 
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13:05 < praenti> re
13:05 < huebi> re praenti ;-)
13:05 < huebi> praenti: Du hast vorhin gesagt XFree86 compiliert nicht.
13:06 < huebi> ?
13:06 < praenti> huebi: jo. hab gesehen, dass du schon gefixed hast. ist gelaufen
13:06 < praenti> huebi: libpng hat allerdings auch eine aktualisierung des makefile.patch nötig. hab aber im moment keine zeit den zu machen.
13:07 < huebi> praenti: Ok
13:07 * praenti muss weg
13:07 < praenti> cya later
13:07 < huebi> cu praenti 
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13:12 < huebi> PING @ *
13:12 < huebi> ;-)
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13:16 < huebi> root@rock:/rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs# ls *err |wc -l = 33
13:17 < huebi> root@rock:/rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs# ls *log |wc -l = 285
13:17 < huebi> That's the actuall resume of Sparc64.
13:17 < huebi> Still compiling.
13:18 < huebi> root@rock:/rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs# ls *err
13:18 < huebi> 3-alsa.err           3-gnome-core.err     3-libpng.err     3-sawfish.err
13:18 < huebi> 3-apmd.err           3-gnome-network.err  3-librsvg.err    3-softdog.err
13:18 < huebi> 3-dump-config.err    3-gnome-utils.err    3-modules.err    3-tetex.err
13:18 < huebi> 3-eel.err            3-gtop.err           3-mtools.err     3-xscreensaver.err
13:18 < huebi> 3-eog.err            3-gv.err             3-nautilus.err   3-xv.err
13:18 < huebi> 3-galeon.err         3-iproute2.err       3-netpbm.err     4-gimp.err
13:18 < huebi> 3-gaspell.err        3-isapnptools.err    3-pcmcia-cs.err
13:18 < huebi> 3-ghostscript.err    3-isdn4k-utils.err   3-qt.err
13:18 < huebi> 3-gnome-applets.err  3-libgd.err          3-rep-gtk.err
13:18 < huebi> all that failed so far.
13:18 < huebi> I'm very pleased with that.
13:19 < huebi> Ich meine zufrieden ;-)
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13:20 < huebi> hi clifford 
13:20 < clifford> hi.
13:20 < praenti|away> re
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13:21 < huebi> re praenti 
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13:21 < netcrow> ji
13:21 < netcrow> hi
13:21 < huebi> hi netcrow 
13:21 < praenti> huebi: ok. sparc64 has more compile probs as intel
13:21 < clifford> I'm still downloading sources for renes yesterdays update ...
13:21 < huebi> praenti: I expected that.
13:22 < clifford> At the moment: mozilla-source-1.0rc2 ...
13:22 < huebi> clifford: Don't use your old 14.4k Modem...
13:22 < huebi> :-)
13:22 < clifford> huebi: I;ve never had one.
13:22 < huebi> Ahh. For Mozilla, there is now a source tar.ball
13:23 < clifford> I've had a 9600 boud modem and then a 32k cupper line.
13:23 < huebi> clifford: What was your slowes connection then? ;)
13:23 < huebi> ok
13:24 < huebi> clifford: What was the copper line?
13:24 < huebi> somethig like cable modem?
13:24 < huebi> +n
13:24 < esden> hi all
13:24 < clifford> My akkustik-koppler (what's the english term?) for the c-64 only had 300 boud.
13:24 < huebi> hi esden 
13:24 < clifford> huebi: zweidraht kupfer leitung.
13:25 < huebi> export LANG=de_DE?
13:26 < clifford> s/cupper/copper/ ...  :-)
13:26 < clifford> mir is es egal.
13:26 < huebi> ;-)
13:26 < clifford> wenn die vorher spanisch gesprochen haben duerfen wir jetzt auch deutsch sprechen ..  :-)
13:27 < huebi> Mit babelfish kann ich auch Tschechisch...
13:27 < clifford> meine mikrowelle klingelt! .. bin gleich wieder da.
13:27 < huebi> Pavlow'scher Clifford... ;-))) *GGG*
13:27 < praenti> lol
13:28 < huebi> *fallVomStuhlVorLachen*
13:28 < praenti> huebi: war doch der versuch mit dem hund oder?
13:28 < huebi> praenti: exact
13:29 < huebi> Futter+Klingel = Geifer. Spaeter nur noch Klingel = Geifer ;-)
13:32 < clifford> nana kriegst euch mal wieder ein ..
13:32 < huebi> :-) jo.
13:32 < clifford> (wenn es zu zeiten konrad-lorenz bereits irc gegeben haette, kein mensch wuerde wissen das es graugaense gibt)
13:33 * praenti sitzt grad in ner projektmanagement vorlesung
13:33 < huebi> clifford: ACK
13:34 < huebi>  /play praenti unheimlich.lautes.mp3 hehehe
13:35 < praenti> hehe. an dem rechner sind keine boxen
13:36 < huebi>  /smoke praenti Netzteil on
13:36 < praenti> lol
13:36 < huebi> stink...
13:39 < huebi> "Wenn aus ihrem Netzteil Rauch 'raus kommt, dann brauchen sie die nosmoke.exe. Allerdings muss ihr PC dafuer M$-kompatibilitaets zertifiziert sein sonst brauchen sie unter Umstaenden die KillFire.exe.
13:39 < huebi> "
13:40 < huebi> Und was mach' ich mit meinem Mac? - Mac's rauchen nicht. Die funktionieren einfach.
13:41 < clifford> typisch amerikanisch - jetzt gibts sogar schon nichtraucher computer ..
13:46 < huebi> Dafuer haben die Computer, mit denen man atomar bestueckte Marschflugkoerper programmieren kann.
13:47 < huebi> Ich habe mal mit einem amerikanischen Soldaten zusammen gewohnt, der hat sowas bedient.
13:48 < huebi> ist jetzt auch schon wieder 8 Jahre her...
13:49 < huebi> == 10:43:10 =[3]=> Building base package mozilla [0.9.9 1.5.14_2002-05-14_03h06]. hmm, braucht wohl noch ein bischen...
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14:02 < snyke> hi all
14:06 < clifford> hi.
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14:07 < huebi> hi snyke 
14:11 < netcrow> sodele, hab grad meinen bitzschlüssel abgegeben..
14:13 < huebi> netcrow: Was bedeutet das?
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14:33 < esden> netcrow: :-( 
14:34 < esden> netcrow: zumindest hast bissel geld dadurch ...
14:35 < huebi> esden: Was bedeutet das?
14:38 < d3m|wrk> cu later guys, i go classes now (it's 6h37m here)
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14:38 < huebi> cu d3m|class 
14:38 < capchaos> d3mian, you doesnt sleep at all do you? ..bye
14:39 < capchaos> *dont
14:39 * praenti hat ein konzentrationsproblem...
14:39 < d3m|class> yes, i didnt sleep, neither yesterdays and past day before yestarday
14:40 < d3m|class> :(
14:40 < capchaos> thats not healthy :/
14:46 < netcrow> praenti: must du immer an sex denken?
14:47 < praenti> netcrow: ???
14:48 < capchaos> ROCK Linux (said to be a "server Linux" and "designed for experts;" it's also supposed to compile itself on any platform)
14:48 < praenti> netcrow: soll ich ehrlich sein? --> auch
14:50 < esden> capchaos: not on any platform ... but many ;-)
14:51 * -> esden reading Build-Pkg script ... (my brain is scorching)
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15:16 < praenti> argh. ich hasse excle übungen
15:16 < praenti> s/excle/excel
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15:36 < praenti> clifford: da?
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15:37 < holyolli> moin
15:39 < praenti> holyolli: jetzt erst aufgestanden?
15:40 < holyolli> moin praenti...nee, aber ich dachte es klingt schöner ;-)
15:43 < praenti> *g*
15:48 < rxr> re
15:50 < clifford> praenti: ja - was gibts?
15:50 < praenti> clifford: shon gefunden. wollte dich fragen ob dunuinter umständen im ccc-umfeld einen wavelan kenner kennst mit ner guten seite. hab allerdings jetzt etwas
15:54 < holyolli> hi rxr
15:54 < holyolli> hi clifford
16:01 < huebi> hi rxr 
16:01 < huebi> hi hackbard 
16:07 * praenti is wech. cya
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16:25 < huebi> http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/howtos/Rocklinux_installation_de.html <- funkelniegelnagelneu ;-))
16:25 < huebi> RFC ;-)
16:26 < clifford> rxr: I need your help (with c++)
16:26 < huebi> clifford: Gibt es eigendlich irgendwo schon ein Install Howto auf deutsch?
16:27 < clifford> also was meinen tree betrifft gibt es ueberhaupt kein install howto ...
16:27 < clifford> ansonsten gibt es soweit ich weiss auch sonst keines.
16:27 < huebi> clifford: *gg*
16:27 < clifford> (kein deutschen ... ansonsten ... :-)
16:28 < clifford> rxr: do you listen?
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16:31 < clifford> hi rene
16:31 < clifford> ich haette dich vor 5 min gebraucht ..
16:34 < rxr_> hi clifford 
16:34 < huebi> mozilla 0.9.9 <- hat 3h36 gebraucht auf der Ultra30 ;-)
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16:34 < rxr_> och bin doch schon lange hier :-(
16:34 < d3m|class[scape]> hi
16:34 < huebi> hi d3m|class[scape] 
16:35 * clifford found the problem with tse3 and is now building 'anthem' ..
16:39 < rxr_> btw do you also use the gcc3 as C default ?
16:39 < clifford>  no.
16:40 < rxr_> ah
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16:40 < rxr_> maybe this is why perl5 failes here (although the error is some makefile build fluff ...)
16:41 < clifford> could be...
16:42 < clifford> do you build also the kernel with gcc3?
16:43 < rxr_> clifford: only in the 1.7 chroot - not on my working system ...
16:43 < rxr_> clifford: the kernel doesn't have too many gcc3 probs
16:43 < rxr_> clifford: I had nearly complete gcc3 dRock last year including the kernel -> no prob
16:43 < rxr_> clifford: and some kernel hacker also occationally write they use the gcc3 ...
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16:44 < clifford> maybe we should add a 'kcc' which is just a symlink and is triggered by the compiler selection.
16:45 * rxr wonder where the _ came from ..
16:45 < clifford> you have been already online.
16:45 < rxr> clifford: no my irsii is running for weeks on a router ...
16:46 < clifford> hm....
16:46 < rxr> clifford: you wanna add kcc to where ?
16:47 < clifford> to the package which is selected as kernel compiler.
16:48 < rxr> clifford: sure another nice options to play with ;-)
16:48 < clifford> and the sparc people will like it ..
16:51 < huebi> re
16:52 < d3m|wrk> wb huebi 
16:53 * clifford has already much expirience in typing 'std::' ..
16:53 < clifford> :-)
16:53 < rxr> using namespace std;
16:53 < rxr> somewhere on the top and you do not need to type ervery single one ...
16:54 < clifford> rxr: yes - i know. But I started it this way and I don't want to mix ...  :-)
17:02 < huebi> http://www.opera.com/download/get.pl?platform=linux&force=6.0 <- update.
17:05 < rxr> clifford: hm the perl4 Configure doesn't generate vaild Makefiles with gcc3.1 ...
17:05 < rxr> er perl5 
17:05 < clifford> rxr: which variables do i need to set so a kde program can find the icons, etc?
17:06 < clifford> KDEDIR? KDEHOME? ..
17:06 < rxr> there is nothing to set - this might be hardcoded in the prog or so
17:07 < clifford> KDEDIR.
17:07 < rxr> but I remember that also did not worked when I tried anthem (a year ago ..)
17:09 < rxr> clifford: ? does it work with some KDEDIR stuff? (but kdedir should already be set by the profile.d script ...
17:10 < clifford> I have no profile.d script here (only some kde libs installed ..  :-)
17:11 < rxr> but the kdelibs packages installed a two line kde script into /etc/profile.d ...
17:12 < clifford> I only have /etc/profile.d/qt
17:12 < rxr> Hm
17:12 < clifford> ... which is incorrect - btw.
17:12 < rxr> oh
17:12 < clifford> QTDIR=usr ... should be QTDIR=/usr
17:12 < clifford> $prefix is without the slash.
17:12 < rxr> ok I'll fix it
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17:25 < martin_> hello
17:25 < holyolli> hi martin_
17:25 < huebi> hi martin
17:25 < huebi> hi holyolli 
17:25 < rxr> hi martin_ 
17:26 < huebi> clifford: Kannst du mal einen Port von 1.5.14 auf PPC ausprobieren?
17:27 < martin_> rxr: Unter /various-updates/ gibt's kde-3.0.1-speedup-test/, worum handelt es sich den dabei?
17:29 < rxr> a try to speedup kde - but this did not pruduced any performance gain.
17:29 < rxr> I'll remove this dir ...
17:29 < rxr> done
17:30 < martin_> ok. and a new xemacs?
17:30 < rxr> hm in the perl5 "makefile" stuff like <build in> and <command line> shos up as dependeny ... somehow the cpp output is parsed incorrectly ...
17:31 < rxr> martin_: only a new version - I could already upload the next xemacs update ;-)
17:31 < huebi> clifford: PINNnng! ;-)
17:34 < clifford> huebi: pong.
17:35 < huebi> clifford: ;-) Kannst du mal einen Port von 1.5.14 auf PPC ausprobieren?
17:35 * clifford reading scrollback.
17:36 < clifford> huebi: grundsaetzlich ja.
17:36 < huebi> clifford: aba?
17:36 < clifford> ich hab' ein bischen probleme mit dem plattenplatz ein the B50...
17:38 < huebi> get es trotzdem irgendwie?
17:38 < huebi> +h
17:38 < huebi> http://www.rocklinux.org/people/huebi/rock16/index.html <- new
17:39 < clifford> ja klar. nur nicht jetzt...   :-(
17:39 < huebi> clifford: wann denn dann?
17:39 < clifford> ich muss mir mal einen tag zeit nehmen und auf der kiste aufraeumen ..
17:41 < huebi> so, ich muss zum Zug. bis spaeter ;-)
17:41 < clifford> cu.
17:41 < huebi> clifford: Sieh' mal, ob du was machen kannst. PPC waere schoen zum Linuxtag. ;-)
17:41 < huebi> ... und wech..
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17:47 < rxr> hm the per5 configuratin is rather unusally ...
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17:48 < holyolli> wtf is https://www2.rocklinux.org ?
17:50 < rxr> holyolli: the company of Chris Hamilton ? ;-)
17:50 < holyolli> ah
17:50 < holyolli> *g*
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17:54 < SMP> folks ..
17:54 < holyolli> smp!
17:54 < holyolli> moin
17:54 < rxr> Hi SMP!
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17:57 < d3m|wrk> hi SMP, simon--- 
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18:10 < hackbard_> re
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18:13 < hackbard> a lot of stuff in stage 3 misses GLIB and faisl to build ..
18:13 < rxr> holyolli: yes. I know but I have only troubles with the 1.7 build here for the last days ...
18:14 < rxr> erm ups shitp completation
18:14 < holyolli> hehe
18:14 < hackbard> ;)
18:14 < rxr> hackbard: I only sent it to cliff to not get too much out of sync ...
18:14 < d3m|wrk> rene: or u write bad the nick or u are talking to urself :)
18:15 < rxr> I'm just fixing perl5 for gcc3 and then I can continue with the gnome2 packages
18:15 < hackbard> funny thing is 1-gcc3 which also fails as old bußinutils's ld doesnt know --eh-frame-hdr, but it compiles fine in stage 3
18:15 < rxr> d3m|wrk: I have to do better than writing most beautifull IRC lines ...
18:16 < hackbard> rxr: not quite sure if its only ur stuff
18:16 < rxr> hackbard: ?
18:16 < hackbard> you maintain extra*, right?
18:16 < rxr> hackbard: no only extra1 
18:16 < hackbard> its also x11 stuff
18:16 < rxr> extra2 is cliffs sound tools repository ;-)
18:17 < hackbard> hehe ;)
18:18 < rxr> gcc3 compiles fine in 1 here (with and without gcc2 as C compiler ...
18:18 * rxr on VT fixinf perl5
18:18 < hackbard> well, i suppose you have a newer binutils version
18:20 < rxr> yes nearly the latest
18:22 < rxr> hackbard: you can eable the pseudo cross compiler for your build if yo do not want to touch your host system ...
18:24 < hackbard> ah, then it uses its own binutils and compiler i guess ..
18:24 < rxr> yes - like in a cross build ;-)
18:24 < hackbard> but it build fine in stage 3 (in chroot with new binutils) and no packages seem to fail to this point as of missing gcc3
18:25 < rxr> hackbard: this depends if you select gcc3 for C and/or C++ ...
18:25 < hackbard> i use the default
18:25 < rxr> My next builds will be gcc3 only - so then the package must work in Stage-1 ...
18:25 < rxr> hackbard: yes the default is gcc2 for C and gcc3 for the rest
18:26 < hackbard> yeah, are there advantages compiling the whole stuff with gcc3?
18:28 < d3m|wrk> rock-src-1.5.12.tar.bz2
18:28 < rxr> gcc3 had much better optimizations - like it should have after >2 years of tuning and hacking ;-)
18:28 < d3m|wrk> completet built
18:28 < d3m|wrk> :)
18:28 < d3m|wrk> cu later
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18:28 < hackbard> okay
18:28 < rxr> and has enhanced C++ suport
18:29 < rxr> although thi will only be useable in the future when C++ project do not have to be compileable with the gcc2.95.3 one ...
18:30 < hackbard> i see
18:31 * rxr running a hacked perl5 Configure the 30th time ...
18:33 < rxr> hm still fails ...
18:34 < hackbard> built fine here 
18:34 < hackbard> ... but we are usinf diffrent default gcc's
18:35 < rxr> hackbard: yes - it also builds fine for Cliff ...
18:35 < rxr> the gcc3 preprocessor has some additional output which needs to be stripped of 
18:35 < rxr> perl uses cpp to generate it's dependencies ...
18:37 < hackbard> aha, and you already figured out what needs to be stripped?
18:41 < SMP> rxr: ST:ENT 23, 24, 25 am gewohnten Platz
18:41 < rxr> yes only some <buildin> and <some other fluff>
18:42 < rxr> SMP: Danke!
18:42 < SMP> rxr: und damit endet die erste season 
18:44 < rxr> juche Perl5 started compiling ...
18:45 < rxr> its Configure stuff is rather interesting ...
18:46 < hackbard> so how do you implement it into rock? a patch that gets only applied when using gcc3 as a default?
18:47 < rxr> hackbard: i think it is harmless and can always be applied ...
18:47 < hackbard> ahh, okay
18:47 < rxr> only s sed 's|.*<.*>|'
18:47 < rxr> but finding the right place for it was rather difficult due to the really freake configure scripts ...
18:48 < hackbard> i believe that ..
18:48 < clifford> rxr: the unneded gcc output: warnings?
18:48 < rxr> clifford: no perl passes the output of cpp -bla file.c
18:48 < rxr> so that it get all #include statements for the dependeny list
18:49 < rxr> but gcc3 sometimes output some <build-in> and another one I forgot ...
18:49 < rxr> the warning go to stderr and are not parsed be the dep generation ...
18:50 < rxr> hm but now gcc3 complains about incompatible assignments ... :-(
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19:04 < huebi> SMP: Juhuu! I'm glad to see you again ;-)))))
19:04 < huebi> btw. re
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19:21 < SMP> hehe, wb ;)
19:22 < huebi_> Ha, endlich wieder zuhause ;-))
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19:27 < rxr> clifford: have you an idea why casting char* to struct {/**/} socketaddr* could work ?
19:28 < rxr> hm has clifford left?
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19:28 < huebi> rxr: /who
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19:30 < rxr> huebi: yes but I have not the clifford@... left in the scrollback ...
19:32 < rxr> ah I have ok ..
19:32 < rxr> anyway the gcc2 doesn't compile this too ...
19:32 < rxr> so the Configure script must have generated some misleading config ... :-(
19:32 < rxr> this sucks
19:45 < th> re
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19:54 < tsa> tag
19:54 < holyolli> hallo tsa
19:54 < tsa> tag olli.
20:01 < huebi> hi th
20:01 < huebi> moin tsa 
20:01 < huebi> ;-)
20:02 < tsa> hi huebi
20:02 < tsa> wie gehts?
20:02 < huebi> News from the UltraSparc Port
20:02 < huebi> root@rock:/rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs# ls *err |wc -l =25
20:02 < tsa> cool.
20:03 < huebi> root@rock:/rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs# ls *log |wc -l = 294
20:03 < tsa> ls *err?
20:03 < tsa> linux
20:03 < tsa> glibc
20:03 < tsa> ;)
20:03 < huebi> root@rock:/rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs# ls *err
20:03 < huebi> 3-alsa.err           3-gnome-utils.err  3-netpbm.err
20:03 < huebi> 3-apmd.err           3-iproute2.err     3-pcmcia-cs.err
20:03 < huebi> 3-dump-config.err    3-isapnptools.err  3-qt.err
20:03 < huebi> 3-eel.err            3-libgd.err        3-sawfish.err
20:03 < huebi> 3-eog.err            3-libpng.err       3-softdog.err
20:03 < huebi> 3-ghostscript.err    3-librsvg.err      3-xscreensaver.err
20:03 < huebi> 3-gnome-applets.err  3-modules.err      3-xv.err
20:03 < huebi> 3-gnome-core.err     3-mtools.err
20:03 < huebi> 3-gnome-network.err  3-nautilus.err
20:04 < tsa> hm....mainly gnome stuff.
20:04 < tsa> why did modules fail?
20:04 < huebi> mostly libpng related
20:05 < huebi> touch: creating `/rock-linux/src/linux/include/asm/asm_offsets.h': No such file or directory
20:06 < tsa> hm....fileutils are ok...so why don't you have "touch"?
20:08 < huebi> tsa: moment
20:09 * huebi unpacking kernel...
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20:12 < huebi> tsa: linux/include/asm <-asm is missing. ./misc/generate-asm is the script to set this up.
20:14 < huebi> first I have a look at 1.7 if there is now a linux, a linux.src and no modules package any more.
20:15 < huebi> If so, I take it over ;-) 
20:15 < tsa> ack.
20:15 < tsa> i don't see any sense in splitting up the kernel and the modules..
20:16 < huebi> Not for normal use. It's only interesting while installation. You can then just extract the modules.
20:18 < tsa> hm...
20:18 < huebi> Also to just kick off the kernel source with pkg-remove makes sence. ;-))
20:19 < tsa> tar cIvf modules.tbz2 /lib/modules/`uname -r`/
20:19 < tsa> rm -rf /usr/src/linux
20:19 < tsa> ;-)
20:20 < huebi> tsa: hehe
20:21 < tsa> definitely easier than setting um two packages, i guess..
20:23 < tsa> if you don't know how to use tar and rm, rock linux isn't the distro you should use, anyway... ;-)
20:24 < huebi> Why is only 2.4.18 and not 2.4.18-rc4 used in 1.7? *wunder*
20:37 < tsa> i don't know.
20:37 < huebi> I like the serial console on SUN
20:37 < tsa> there was a minor difference, if i remember correctly..
20:37 < huebi> tsa: in 2.4.18-rc4 are some more Sparc(64) fixes.
20:39 < martin_> bye rxr
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20:46 < holyolli> re tsa
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20:47 < holyolli> so...erstma nach hause
20:47 < tsa> scheisse.
20:47 < huebi> cu holyolli 
20:47 < holyolli> mh?
20:47 < tsa> schalter auf knie-hoehe unguenstig.
20:47 < holyolli> *lol*
20:47 < huebi> hehe. Alles gut macht der Reboot
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20:54 < thalerim> hi.
20:56 < thalerim> be right back
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21:06 < tsa> hi thalerim
21:06 < thalerim> hallo tsa :-D
21:06 < huebi> hi thalerim 
21:10 < thalerim> auch dir hallo huebi
21:12 < thalerim> schaut irgendjemanden Leverkusen?
21:12 < thalerim> -en
21:12 < huebi> Noe ;-)
21:12 < tsa> noe.
21:12 * huebi hat keinen Fernseher...
21:13 * tsa schon.
21:13 < tsa> aber kein interesse an fussball.
21:13 < tsa> huebi: huch..
21:14 < huebi> tsa: ?
21:14 < tsa> wegen fernseher..
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21:19 < huebi> Fernseher habe ich wirlich nicht. Aber eine TV-Karte. Die kann ich hier in der Wohnung aber nicht einsetzen weil ich dann ~20m Antennenkabel diagonal durch die Wohnung legen muesste. Da mach' ich mir lieber Gedanken, wie ich ein Glasfaserkabel aus dem 3. Stock in den Keller bekomme. Hier in meinem Zimmer (10 m^2) ist das mit 3 21"lern und 4-5 laufenden Rechnern schon ganz schoen warm ;) Ausserdem hasse ich TV-Werbung!
21:19 < tsa> hehe
21:20 < tsa> Was hast du denn im Keller als Gegenstelle fuer die Faser noch zu stehen?
21:20 < huebi> und 300GB Filme auf Band und Platte ist auch ganz nett
21:20 < tsa> hehe
21:22 < huebi> tsa: Im moment steht im Keller nichts. Aber ich will die Rechner mit Ihrer Abwaerme (geschaetzt 500 - 700 Watt) und ihrem Krach gerne im Keller haben.
21:23 < tsa> hm....
21:24 < tsa> max-laenge kabel rechner <--> monitor?
21:24 < huebi> Naja STP und 100MBit oder 1000MBit wuerde auch reichen. Dann kriege ich auch das A-DSL ueber das gleiche kabel mit in den Keller. Ist auch deutlich billiger
21:24 < tsa> hehe
21:25 < huebi> tsa: JavaStation! Aus dem Keller booten lassen und als Xterminal nehmen.
21:25 < tsa> huebi: hm....hast du schon eine?
21:26 * tsa fragt sich immer noch, warum die _java_station heissen.
21:26 < tsa> bootet, via tftp/nfs, ist nen microsparc-prozessor drin.
21:26 < tsa> mehr weiss ich nich ueber die dinger..
21:27 < huebi> tsa: Nein, aber ein Angebot von Livingston fuer das JK-Model "Krups" mit 8MB Flash und 64MB RAM und ohne Luefter!
21:27 < tsa> a..
21:27 < tsa> ah..
21:27 < huebi> 120 EUR +MwSt incl Keyboard und Maus (beides PS/2!)
21:27 < huebi> tsa: mom
21:28 < tsa> hm....das klingt definitiv ok.
21:28 < huebi> Livingston schulded mir noch einen Gefallen. Den Preis kriege ich noch runter. Jede Wette!
21:28 < tsa> hehe
21:29 < huebi> http://www.idsa.org/whatis/seewhat/idea98/winners/javastation.htm <- Gutes Bild
21:30 < huebi> http://dubinski-family.org/~jshowto/Files/photos/krups_front_view.jpg <- noch eins fuer einen Groessenvergleich
21:31 < huebi> http://dubinski-family.org/~jshowto/doc/html/single/JavaStation-HOWTO.html#KrupsDescSection <- DAS ist sie!!
21:31 < tsa> Hm....die sieht ja schon recht nett aus..
21:31 < huebi> Und macht absolut keinen Mucks!
21:33 < tsa> jupp, das ist nen echter Vorteil..
21:33 < tsa> Am besten gleich auch noch nen TFT dran ;)
21:34 < huebi> http://www.ultralinux.org/links.html <- Linux fuer die Kaffedose
21:34 < huebi> tsa: Die TFT's, die mir gefallen, sind mir einfach noch viel zu teuer ;(
21:35 < huebi> Ich bleibe da erst mal bei meinen 21"ern
21:35 < tsa> hehe...ich hatte mir das auch mal irgendwann ueberlegt, mich dann aber fuer nen neuen Iiyama 19"er entschieden..
21:36 < tsa> 21" ist sicher auch nett, aber bloed, wenn man die mal transportieren muss..
21:36 < huebi> 1600x1200 bei 85Hz ist acuch viiel besser zum Zocken.
21:36 < tsa> hehe ;-)
21:37 < huebi> TFT's sind, wenn du ein klein bischen gut bist, einfach zu traege.
21:38 < huebi> http://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/ircstat/ <- Ask a cow if you dont believe *LOL*
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21:39 < tsa> hahaha
21:39 < tsa> der ist mal weieder echt gut
21:39 < tsa> re SMP
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21:41 < huebi> hmm. Ich koennte morgen einfach mal JavaStations einkaufen...
21:41 < tsa> gleich nen paar?
21:42 < huebi> Braucht noch jemand eine ;-))
21:42 < tsa> hi bluefire
21:42 < tsa> hehe
21:42 < huebi> hi bluefire 
21:44 < huebi> Ich kauf' erst mal eine, bzw lasse mir da erst mal einen richtig guten Preis machen.
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21:45 < tsa> huebi: Kannst ja dann mal bescheid sagen, was die Teile so taugen..
21:47 * rxr_ got rid of the -aa kernel - much more responsive now :)
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21:48 < huebi> tsa: jo, mache ich.
22:00 < tsa> rxr: hehe
22:01 * tsa running vanilla 2.4.18
22:01 * huebi is not in the mood to test beta kernels. I'm glad if the rest works ;-))
22:04 * rxr down from 2.4.19-pre8-aa2 to 2.4.19-pre8 ...
22:04 < rxr> but on my lappy 2.4.15 is running ;-)
22:09 < huebi> kool. I found out if something dumps it's messages in my vi session I can clear it up with Ctrl-l
22:10 < thalerim> yup
22:10 < thalerim> there is ctrl-r either
22:10 < tsa> ^L          refresh                clear and redraw the screen
22:10 < tsa> (from mutt help)
22:10 < tsa> very useful of other admins like to use "wall" and "write" ..
22:11 < SMP> erm
22:11 < tsa> SMP: yes?
22:12 < SMP> ^L is pretty basic knowledge - works about anywhere ;>
22:12 < tsa> should work in xterms/shell, too.
22:12 < tsa> don't know about emacs.
22:13 < SMP> xterms can't 'refresh', so it works as a 'clear screen'
22:13 < huebi> ^L - will that let emacs reboot? *g*
22:14 < huebi> minicom also works with ^l
22:14 < tsa> huebi: perhaps...but you'll probably have to press at least one out of esc,meta,alt,ctrl,shift, too..
22:14 < SMP> minicom is always special .
22:14 < tsa> hehe...ack.
22:16 < huebi> I use minicom only as terminal emulation for Sparcs. I erased all initialisation strings and now it's allmost perfevt for that use.
22:16 < tsa> cisco, 3com switches..
22:17 < huebi> tsa: What do these devices say to minicom?
22:17 < tsa> huebi: works perfectly.
22:17 < huebi> kool
22:17 < thalerim> huebi: http://magma.freebits.de <- project i am working on at moment :-) 
22:18 < huebi> *click*
22:18 < tsa> Ein interner Fehler ist aufgetreten. (8842.20.05.15.22.18.31.164) 
22:18 < tsa> hurra
22:18 < tsa> scheiss online-banking
22:19 < tsa> irgendwer mit root@dresdner bank da?
22:19 < tsa> ;)
22:19 < huebi> tsa <- ist jetzt Pleite. Raus aus dem Neuen Markt!
22:19 < tsa> hehe
22:20 < huebi> tsa: root@dregis.com
22:21 < tsa> huebi: hm...ich fuerchte, das reicht in diesem fall nicht.
22:22 < huebi> dregis hat DIE Macht! Nur nicht ueber World. hehe
22:22 < rxr> why is my stupid provided disconnecting me that often today :-( ?!?
22:23 < tsa> rxr: perhaps because you're making too much traffic ;-)
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22:23 < holyolli> re
22:23 < tsa> re holyolli
22:23 < huebi> thalerim: http://magma.freebits.de <- looks kool ;-))
22:24 < huebi> holyolli: wida da?
22:24 < holyolli> huebi: jo
22:24 < thalerim> danke !
22:24 < rxr> tsa: the last days I was not disconencted - so after 9GB they disconnected ...
22:24 < hackbard> rxr: we get our sparcs tommorrow :)
22:25 < hackbard> OH, i am not at home ... :(
22:25 < th> huebi: apropos "macht ueber world"
22:25 < huebi> th /who tells you stories... ;-)
22:27 < th> HOELLE!
22:27 < th> boah
22:27 < thalerim> huebi's cow is the evil.. huebi is just the marionette
22:27 < huebi> hehe
22:27 < th> *neid*
22:27 < rxr> hackbard: do you know this for sure ? Dis they got sent?
22:27 < th> SMP: huhu
22:28 < hackbard> rxr: there is a mail on rock-ports, are you subscribed?
22:28 < thalerim> she wants to capture microsoft first and as a result the world! 
22:30 < rxr> hackbard sure I'm - but forgot to look into the folder ...
22:30 < rxr> hackbard: thanks!
22:30 < tsa> hm...
22:30 < tsa> frage am rande.
22:30 < tsa> wer von euch ist wie lange beim linuxtag?
22:30 < th> was ist linux?
22:30 < huebi> Antwort aus der Mitte: Freitag bis Sontag
22:30 < holyolli> *fg*
22:30 < tsa> th: *patsch*
22:31 < th> ;-)
22:31 < rxr> tsa: ich kann nur da sein, falls ich bei irgendwem guenstig unterkomme ...
22:31 < th> wo isser denn der tag?
22:31 < tsa> th: karlsruhe afaik
22:31 < huebi> tsa: ACK
22:31 * tsa ueberlegt grade, wie lange ich da hinfahren soll..
22:31 < SMP> hi th
22:32 < tsa> bzw. was mn da so den ganzen tag lang macht..
22:32 < tsa> +a
22:32 < th> SMP: gibts neues?
22:32 < huebi> Alert!: This client does not contain support for HTTPS URLs. <- kein ssl in lynx. hmm
22:32 < th> (es gibt ja staendig neues)
22:32 < SMP> th: auf was willst du hinaus?
22:33 * tsa tippt mal auf das boese wort mit w..
22:33 < thalerim> wurst ?
22:33 < th> hmmm
22:33 < th> das w-wort...
22:33 < huebi> wasser?
22:33 < thalerim> www
22:33 < tsa> Host wurst.wronline.de not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
22:33 < huebi> Wuppertal?
22:33 < tsa> hm..
22:40 * tsa gaehnt.
22:40 * holyolli schmeisst einen igel in tsa's mund
22:41 < tsa> *kau*
22:41 < tsa> hat wer salz?
22:41 < th> igitt igel mit salz?
22:41 < huebi> Currysauce?
22:41 < huebi> besser Senf!
22:41 < th> ein kraeftiger dip oder so
22:41 < tsa> th: ne mikrowelle oder nen grill hab ich leider nicht im kopf..
22:41 < holyolli> och...mit nem handy...vieleicht ;)
22:42 < tsa> hehe
22:43 < huebi> http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/files/mcnugget.jpg
22:43 < huebi> hehehe
22:43 < th> ich glaub ich weiss was das is
22:43 < th> ack
22:43 * holyolli holt grad die bartwickelmaschine raus....
22:43 < holyolli> *surrrrrr*
22:43 < huebi> koestlich!
22:43 < holyolli> ;-))
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22:45 < huebi> Am besten fand ich mal 'nen Plastiksplitter im Fishmac.. *kotz*
22:45 < tsa> lecker..
22:45 < tsa> duales system deutschland....irgendwo muss das ja alles hin..
22:47 < huebi> Der Onkel von einem Freund in Norddeutschland hat MacDo mit Haenchen versorgt. DIE Geschichten waren so richtig eklig!
22:48 < th> wurden wohl gleich mit kaefig-LKW verarbeitet
22:48 < tsa> ich glaube, sowas will man eigentlich gar nich allzu genau wissen..
22:48 < thalerim> "Der Bekannte eines Freundes meines Bruders hat seinen Motor auf GNU Hurd umgestellt und darduch -5 PS rausgeholt!"
22:48 < thalerim> jaja, das mit den bekannten ... ;-)
22:48 < thalerim> s/-5/4-5
22:48 < tsa> th: und was tankt er damit?
22:49 < thalerim> :-P
22:49 < tsa> ;)
22:49 < thalerim> pinguin pipi
22:49 < huebi> Wenn so ein Nugget Rohling zu alt wird ( > 8 Wochen), dann wird die Brust so schwer, dass die beim Stehen immer nach vorn umfallen.
22:49 < tsa> naja, so nen GNU....mit Gras ist das bestimmt nicht mehr zufrieden..
22:49 < th> tsa: fixe mal deine tab-completion ;)
22:49 < tsa> hm?
22:50 < tsa> watt is mit meine tab-completion?
22:50 < tsa> sie komplettiert doch..
22:51 < huebi> Fusseltuning: Zuendung 3 Grad fruehen, den Luftfilter raus und schon ist der Testarossa verblasen! 
22:55 < huebi> Ich glaube von meiner Autoschrauber und dann Kontrukteurszeit erzaehl ich lieber nicht. Sonst platzt der Channel.
22:55 < rxr> huebi: woran schraubst du jetzt schon wieder ?
22:56 < huebi> rxr: An der Adaption von linux und linux.src an 1.5 ;-))
22:56 < th> 22:48:54 < tsa> th: und was tankt er damit?
22:56 < th> tsa: du meintest doch thalerim 
22:57 < rxr> huebi: cutn't paste von dRock-1.6.0-rc3 might be easier ...
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22:57 < kvak|uninvited> hello and good night ladies n gents
22:57 < huebi> rxr: Guter tip
22:57 < tsa> th: aehm....ja, stimmt. Das war aber nicht die tab-completion, sondern meine eigene dummheit...
22:57 < tsa> hi kvak|uninvited
22:57 * tsa braucht kein programm, um sich dumm zu benehmen ;-)
22:58 < huebi> tsa: Woher kommt dies Selbsterkenntnie *ggg*
22:58 < th> hello kvak|wannagosoon
22:58 < huebi> lol
22:58 < huebi> tsa: just kidding ;-))
22:58 < tsa> huebi: hehe...no problem.
22:59 < huebi> tsa: ;-))
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22:59 < tsa> SUN Ultra 60 Dual 360Mhz 1GB RAM 36GB HD
22:59 < tsa> hmm...
23:00 < holyolli> tsa: zuviel geld? ;)
23:00 < tsa> holyolli: nein. leider nicht.
23:00 < huebi> tsa:  Nur 450MHz sonst taucht nicht.
23:00 < tsa> huebi: weil?
23:01 < tsa> huebi: da war vor nen paar tagen ne 2x450mhz u60 auf ebay....aber die war dann leider auch dementsprechend teuer..
23:01 < huebi> UltraSparcII ist mit 32Bit so schnell wie ein gleicher PII
23:02 < tsa> naja, hat aber nen recht grossen cpu-cache...das duerfte bei einigen applicationen schon vorteile bringen..
23:02 < huebi> U80 oder E450 haben beide 4 CPU's da mal ein Schnaeppchen waere doch richtig gut
23:03 < huebi> tsa: Ein Dual Athlon kostet ~1500EUR komplett und ist _deutlich_ schneller!
23:03 < tsa> huebi: hm....ne e450 als arbeitsplatz-rechner? Waere das nicht vielleicht doch ein wenig sehr dekadent?
23:03 < holyolli> vor allem laut...wegen der lüfter...
23:03 < tsa> jupp, ich weiss.
23:03 < huebi> tsa: eine Origin 3x00. Das ist dekadent!
23:04 < huebi> aber schnell
23:04 < tsa> SGI (Silicon Graphics) Origin 2000 8 x R10000
23:04 < tsa> keine 3x00 dabei..
23:04 < huebi> tsa: Ich habe die U5 nur genommen. weil sie billig war.
23:05 < kvak|uninvited> laut ? Dafuer gibts nen Balkon ;-)
23:05 < huebi> 3000 oder besser 3800
23:05 < huebi> rxr: Wo finde ich nochmal deine sourcen?
23:06 < rxr> http://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/source/
23:06 < huebi> rxr: Danke!
23:06 < rxr> ftp://drocklinux.dyndns.org/drock/source/
23:06 < rxr> huebi: bitte ;-)
23:06 < huebi> http://www.sgi.com/origin/3000/ <- Die rechte, die ist klasse.
23:07 < huebi> braucht aber 3 x drehstrom
23:07 * tsa empfiehlt rxr mal ein ssh-upgrade.
23:07 < rxr> tsa: ???#
23:07 < holyolli> *fg*
23:07 < rxr> tsa: ay 15 23:06:44 gate sshd[24089]: Bad protocol version identification '  ' from 217.225.18.64
23:07 < rxr> ???
23:07 < holyolli> *FG*
23:08 < tsa> rxr: 'tschuldigung...ssh-protokoll kann ich nicht aus dem kopf..
23:08 < huebi> tsa: SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_2.5.1p2
23:08 < tsa> huebi: ich weiss.
23:08 < tsa> deswegen ja..
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23:09 < kvak|uninvited> drehstrom ?
23:09 < huebi> SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_3.0.2p1 <- das ist bei mir. Nur ein local root exploid. ;)
23:09 < kvak|uninvited> Was ist den das @ HUEBI ? *G*
23:09 < tsa> SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.1p1
23:09 < huebi> kvak|uninvited: 400V 3Phasen ...
23:10 < kvak|uninvited> Ach so...Drehstrom klingt so...
23:10 < rxr> tsa: OCK Linux 1.4.0-DEV i586 (native, 2001/12/18) up 96 days ...
23:10 < kvak|uninvited> so...
23:11 < kvak|uninvited> so...
23:11 < kvak|uninvited> ...vergiss es.
23:11 < huebi> tsa: Ich glaube, rocklinux.dyndns.org braucht mal wieder eine Neuinstallation ;(
23:11 < kvak|uninvited> ;-)
23:12 < huebi> kvak|uninvited: Schmeiss den Herd oder besser den Durchlauferhitzer raus und die Origin hat genug Strom ;-)
23:12 < kvak|uninvited> huebi> Alles klar, aber stimmt der Herd hat nen extra anschluss für STARKSTROM...
23:13 < kvak|uninvited> Kabel durchs Fenster aufn Balkon da steht das Ding dann im Winter schön kühl... ;-)
23:13 < huebi> kvak|uninvited: STARKSTROM = Drehstrom
23:14 < kvak|uninvited> Ach so. Jetztat. Verdammte Schulbildung...immer bringen sie einem nur  1 Wort bei. ;-)
23:15 < tsa> hehe
23:16 < huebi> rxr: Ist trotzdem noch gebastel. Sparc64 muss mit eingebaut werden ;(
23:18 * huebi hat auch schon lange als Energieanlagenelektoniker gearbeitet. Den Beruf gibt es, glaub' ich, auch schon nicht mehr.
23:18 < th> SSH-2.0-3.1.0 SSH Secure Shell
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23:22 < hackbard> huebi: kannst du mir eien sparc64 kernel mit nfsroot und so dhcp und rarp support bauen? bzw habe/hatte ich nichtmal ein login auf einer deiner ultras? :)
23:25 < hackbard> als nfsroot habe ich jans aelteres iso image, bzw das minimal 1.7 root fasl alles klappt, nur weiss ich noch nicht ob der crosscompiler 64bit kernel bauen kann..
23:27 < rxr> huebi: bist du sicher das STARKSTROM genormt ist? Ich meine, das kann doch ells moegliche sein ...
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23:28 < huebi> rxr: Jo. Sicher
23:28 < rxr> ich meine Windows ist ja auch nur nen Program-Starter und kein Betriebssystem ... - feine unterschiede ;-)
23:28 < SMP> jemand noch Erfolg mit OpenOffice gehabt?
23:29 < tsa> SMP: binary install, ja.. ;-)
23:29 < SMP> genau.
23:29 < SMP> keine Probleme mit dem installer gehabt?
23:29 < huebi> In europa gibt es nur: 3 Phasen Drehstrom mit 400V, 50Hz und 120 Grad Phasenversatz zwischen den Phasen. Macht bei einer Phase 230V
23:29 < tsa> SMP: lief aus der tuete.
23:29 < SMP> tsa: $DISTRO ?
23:30 < huebi> SuXe 8.2
23:30 < huebi> hehe
23:30 < tsa> SMP: rock. irgendwo zwischen 1.40 und 1.7.0-dev
23:30 < huebi> error interferences
23:31 < tsa> kernel 2.4.18, glibc 2.2.5
23:32 < rxr> SMP: 1.0 tut nicht - letzer build tut perfekt ...
23:32 < rxr> huebi: ich kenne unseren Strom ... ;-) Aber Danke ...
23:34 < huebi> Strom kommt aus der Schweinenase. Von dem armen Schwein, welches sie in die Wand eingemauert haben. ;)
23:34 < SMP> rxr: ahh
23:36 < SMP> rxr: 'letzter' wie in '642'?
23:36 < huebi> rxr: URL?
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23:41 < huebi> hackbard: Dein Nachname?
23:42 < hackbard> ?
23:45 < SMP> Bard. Hack Bard. ist doch logisch!
23:45 < SMP> ;>
23:45 < huebi> hehe
23:45 < hackbard> ;)
23:46 < kvak|uninvited> Hat open office eigentlich nen mailer drinnen ?
23:46 < rxr> arh puh mal suchen
23:46 < rxr> SMP: huebi: hm ich sehe gerade nur 641d ... ?
23:46 < kvak|uninvited> Ich arbeite noch mit Star Office 5.2
23:49 * tsa auch...seit ewigkeiten.
23:49 < tsa> tut prima.
23:49 < SMP> rxr: http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/source/642/index.html
23:49 < tsa> hab das OpenOffice eigentlich nur installiert, weil ich mal vergleichen wollte..
23:50 < rxr> SMP: jups ich sehe es gerade ... - seltsame web-page ...
23:50 < rxr> SMP: war auf nem anderem rechner ... -soll ichs hier nochmal testen - oder machst du das gleich selber ?
23:52 < SMP> rxr: ich werd's wohl schneller runterladen koennen ;)
23:53 < SMP> *hmmm* aber ob das irgendwelcher non-optimzed debug Kram ist..?
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