--- Log opened Sat May 18 00:00:12 2002
--- Day changed Sat May 18 2002
00:00 < huebi> == 23:58:47 =[3]=> Building base package libpng [1.2.2 1.5.14_2002-05-14_03h06].
00:00 < huebi> Pkg-Config: patches libpng.desc libpng.conf done.
00:00 < huebi> Building. Writing output to /var/adm/logs/3-libpng.out
00:00 < huebi> Creating md5sums and cksums of package libpng ... done.
00:00 < huebi> Creating tars/sparc64-libpng.tar.bz2 ... 168k
00:00 < huebi> /var/adm/logs/3-libpng.out -> 3-libpng.log
00:00 < huebi> == 00:00:44 05/18/02 =[3]=> Finished building package libpng.
00:00 < huebi> *freu*
00:00 < huebi> == 00:01:19 05/18/02 =[3]=> Finished building package libgd.
00:00 < tsa> cool. this shoud solve most of the problems.
00:00 < tsa> +l
00:01 < huebi> yes, we'll see it
00:01 < huebi> praenti|away: Good work!
00:02 < tsa> i'm unsure about alsa..
00:03 < huebi> sound and SUN. Better forget it. ;( They have a modified ISDN-Chip in sun4m
00:03 < tsa> isdn???
00:03 < tsa> uh.
00:04 < huebi> Exact!
00:04 < tsa> dodn't know that 
00:04 < tsa> s,o,i
00:04 < huebi> As I said
00:04 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@p5082B5D1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
00:04 < holyolli> moin
00:04 < tsa> this is really strange..
00:04 < tsa> hi holyolli
00:04 < holyolli> tag tsa.
00:06 < huebi> It's a quite ugly hardware hack arround an ISDN chip to use it as sound chip on sun4m
00:06 < huebi>  _____________ 
00:06 < huebi> < hi holyolli >
00:06 < huebi>  ------------- 
00:06 < huebi>   \
00:06 < huebi>    \   \_\_    _/_/
00:06 < tsa> nononono!
00:06 < huebi>     \      \__/
00:06 < huebi>            (oo)\_______
00:06 < huebi>            (__)\       )\/\
00:06 < huebi>                ||----w |
00:06 < tsa> no stats-cheating here !
00:06 < huebi>                ||     ||
00:06 < huebi>  
00:06 < huebi> ok
00:06 < huebi> ok
00:06 < huebi> ok
00:06 < huebi> hehe 'nen Elch nur fuer dich!
00:06 * tsa killing huebi's cow..
00:07 < esden> n8
00:07 < huebi> *loool*
00:07 < huebi> schlaf gut esden ;-)
00:07 < esden> we see us in 5 days ...
00:07 < esden> I will be offline till then :-(
00:07 < huebi> esden: What are you going to do ?
00:07 < tsa> make fire; killall cow; eat;
00:07 < esden> I will try to get dietlibc target working
00:08 < esden> I have to go to poland with my parents ... 
00:08 < huebi> Without InderNett?
00:08 < esden> to visit my grandparents
00:08 < tsa> hehe
00:08 < huebi> esden: ah ok. But then have _big_ fun there ;-))
00:08 < tsa> is there anything special about poland except they have our cars? ;)
00:08 < esden> huebi: my grandmother does have indernet .. but very slow ... and expensive
00:09 < holyolli> huhu huebi
00:09 < tsa> (sorry, couldn't resist.. ;-)
00:09 < esden> huebi: I will have no fun at all ...
00:09 < huebi> huhu holyolli 
00:09 < esden> beside fun with my laptop 
00:09 < holyolli> hi esden...und viel spass ;)
00:09 < esden> but there is nothing to do on this topic ... :-(
00:09 < huebi> esden: Why no fun. Make you some fun for yourself!
00:09 < holyolli> tsa: don't say something about poland and internet.. ;)
00:10 < esden> huebi: i know nearli noone there ... :-(
00:10 < huebi> == 00:10:52 05/18/02 =[3]=> Finished building package netpbm.
00:10 < esden> and my cousins are terribly boring ...
00:10 < huebi> esden: Some really nice girls?
00:10 < esden> polish girls are nice ... 
00:10 < esden> huebi: I will have to go to a disco ;-)
00:11 < esden> but we will see ...
00:11 < huebi> tsa: Obacht. Meine Vorfahren kommen zum teil aus gdem ganz oestlichen Polen, hehe
00:11 < holyolli> huebi: von wo?
00:11 < tsa> huebi: hehe..
00:12 < huebi> esden: disco and dancing and baggering and more ...ing . ;)))
00:12 < tsa> rotfl
00:13 -!- holyolli2 [~holyolli@attila.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de] has joined #rocklinux
00:13 < holyolli> blub
00:13 -!- holyolli2 [~holyolli@attila.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de] has quit (Client Quit)
00:13 < holyolli> <-- wollte nur grad den lag nachschauen
00:13 < esden> huebi: ich habe ...ing mangel ... also werde ich es vielleicht befriedigen ... wer weiss ;-)
00:13 < hackbard> rxr: gerade da?
00:13 < huebi> esden: hehehe
00:14 < holyolli> tsa?
00:14 < rxr> jups
00:14 < tsa> was willsu?
00:14 < rxr> esden: polish girls are nice - I know ;-)
00:14 < huebi> esden: Ja, so mal disco, dann wieder treffen am naechsten tag, kaffee schluerfen, viel erzaehlen, wida disco und ...ing ;-)
00:14 < hackbard> rxr: was ist nun die kontonummer? ;)
00:15 < hackbard> 81...86 ?
00:15 < esden> perhups I will port linux kurnel to brainfuck ... that would be nice ;-)
00:15 < rxr> hackbard: ich habe auch keine Ahnung ...
00:15 < hackbard> hehe
00:15 < tsa> esden: if they are really nice, bring one for mee, too.. ;-)
00:15 < rxr> hackbard: keine ahnung was ne VAT IDE ist ...
00:15 < hackbard> jo, me too ;)
00:15 < rxr> huebi: what is a VAT number?
00:15 < esden> tsa: they are ...ing goodloocking in average ;-)
00:15 < huebi> esden: forget brain, 
00:15 < huebi> hehe
00:15 < tsa> esden: ok. i'll take two.
00:16 < tsa> ;)
00:16 < huebi> rxr: VAT value added tax = Maerchensteuer
00:16 < rxr> huebi: ah
00:17 < rxr> then he ripclaw talked about other account informations not present on my paper ;-)
00:17 < hackbard> huebi: hast du zufaellig kontonummer und bankleitzahl von rc irgendwo rumschwirren?
00:17 < hackbard> yes, definetly
00:17 < esden> huh there was no rock 1.7 release today ???
00:17 < esden> I mean snapshot ...
00:17 < huebi> rxr: ripclaw has also not printet his Account number on my invoice, *LOOOOL*
00:18 * tsa wants a 'release snapshot' button on the rock home page ;)
00:18 < holyolli> *fg*
00:18 < esden> tsa: *gg*
00:18 < huebi> The PILUM Technology GmbH needs to learn something.
00:18 < hackbard> hehe
00:19 < huebi> Zu ueberweisender Betrag:  hmm I'm not allowed to pay cash!
00:20 < huebi> Next week I'll tell him that I really want, but can't pay.
00:21 < huebi> == 00:11:42 05/18/02 =[3]=> Aborted building package alsa.
00:21 < rxr> huebi: ?
00:21 < huebi> rxr: yes?
00:23 < rxr> I did not got what you wanted to express in the last sentence :{ ...
00:23 < huebi> root@rock:~# ls /rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs/*err |wc -l => 23 *freu*
00:23 -!- clifford_away [~clifford@62.46.1.234] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
00:24 < hackbard> btw huebei, ich habe vorkurzem das 1.7 alsao confgi zeug auf 1.5 umgemodelt ..
00:25 < huebi> Ripclaw wrote "Zu ueberweisender Betrag:" and not "Zu zahlender Betrag:" And he wrote no bank account on the invoice. So what should I do now?
00:26 < huebi> hackbard: kannst du mir das zukommen lassen?
00:26 * -> esden updating his rock tree on the laptop ... and going to bed ...
00:26 < tsa> huebi: take a pice of paper, write "zu ueberweisender betrag" on it and send it to ripclaw.. ;-)
00:26 < huebi> hehe
00:26 < hackbard> huebi: klar, scp -r auf rocklinux.dyndns.org ?
00:26 < hackbard> home hackbard ?
00:26 < huebi> hackbard: ok
00:27 < hackbard> okie, mom
00:27 < huebi> k in deinem home?
00:28 < huebi> tsa:  I better show him my invoices. And tell him what the stuff means. Much better
00:29 * rxr waits until you all figured out how to pass the money ...
00:29 < huebi> rxr: hehe
00:29 < hackbard> huebi: jo, in /home/hackbard/alsa
00:30 < huebi> hackbard: danke! ;-))
00:30 < rxr> so ich werd yetzt mal xman anshen waehren die U5 neuen binutils baut ;-)
00:30 < hackbard> aber auf ella ! nicht auf rock
00:30 < huebi> hackbard: jo
00:30 < hackbard> ich schreib einfach nochmal zurueck
00:30 < hackbard> was heisst bankleitzahl auf english ?
00:31 < hackbard> :)
00:31 < holyolli> bank code?
00:31 < holyolli> (vieleickt)
00:31 < holyolli> vieleicht even
00:31 < hackbard> klingt gut! ;)
00:32 < huebi> == 00:11:42 =[3]=> Building base package qt-3.0.3 <- wird wohl so ca 2h brauchen ;(
00:32 < tsa> hehe
00:33 < huebi> Ich will sofott die UltraSparc7 mit 10GHz habn! Auf der Stelle! *Stampf* ;-))
00:33 < tsa> jaja... *taetschel*
00:34 -!- clifford_away [~clifford@62.46.4.216] has joined #rocklinux
00:34 < tsa> re clifford_away
00:34 < tsa> war das nicht die mit 512mb cpu-cache? ;)
00:34 < hackbard> huebi: sorry! mir faellt geade ein das bei --with-cards all stehen sollte und nicht emu10k1
00:34 < huebi> hackbard: ok
00:35 < hackbard> habe es in meinem home geaendert
00:35 < huebi> tsa: Ne, die hat schon 1GB 1st-level cache und 10GB eCache
00:35 < huebi> hackbard: danke
00:36 < tsa> huebi: ach die....ich glaub, davon liegen hier noch irgendwo ein paar alte rum.. :-P
00:36 < huebi> tsa: Waren die schon eingeschaltet?
00:36 < tsa> huebi: neee, ich fand die so langsam irgendwie.. ;)
00:37 < huebi> 230 V ~  core ist einfach immer noch zu wenig ;(
00:37 < huebi> hmm Keine Verlustwaerme angegeben...
00:38 < huebi> nur die Energiedichte auf den 5x5cm chip. 50 mal hoeher als auf der sonnenoberflaeche... hmmm
00:39 < huebi> macht schnell sonnenbrand.
00:39 < tsa> definitiv.
00:39 < tsa> aber dann taugen die auch fuers solarium oder so...
00:39 * huebi sucht die Fluessigheliumkuehlung.
00:40 * holyolli sucht nen kaffee
00:40 < holyolli> ;)
00:40 * tsa hat kaffee
00:40 < huebi> Ich habe da mal Wasserstoff statt Helium genommen..
00:40 * huebi hat Grohe Export.
00:41 < esden> dd if=/dev/money of=/home/esden/moneypocket
00:41 < tsa> huebi: nicht gut. wenn schon gaskuehlung, sollte es besser ein edelgas sein..
00:41 < huebi> War uebel. den Krater von der Kernfusion sieht man heute noch im oberen rechten Virtel vom Mond.
00:41 < esden> scp /home/esden/moneypocket esden@ripclaw
00:41 < holyolli> esden: mv /dev/internet /dev/polen *duck*
00:41 < tsa> 0+0 records in
00:41 < tsa> 0+0 records out
00:41 < holyolli> *lol*
00:41 < ringo78> I have Golsch !
00:41 < esden> *shoot* holyolli 
00:42 < holyolli> hrhr
00:42 < holyolli> esden: hey..ich muss unter umständen auch mal für ein paar tage nach polen...von der arbeit... =)
00:42 < tsa> esden@ripclaw's password:
00:42 < holyolli> <-- will das eigendlich garnicht ;)
00:42 < huebi> hackbard: why?
00:43 < esden> holyolli: what do you want in poland ?
00:43 < huebi> esden: Get a new gilfriend? *g*
00:43 < holyolli> esden: work...
00:43 < tsa> ..have fun with modem dialups ;)
00:44 < esden> huebi: *gg*
00:44 < holyolli> tsa: ;-P
00:44 < esden> tsa: we have wave static lines ... and other funny stuff in poland ...
00:44 < holyolli> esden: i have to do some vpn-stuff.... =)
00:44 < huebi> holyolli: Buschtrommeln?
00:45 < holyolli> huebi: neee irgendwas anderes...standleitungen, wo man währen muss 0)
00:46 < holyolli> und ich kann kein polnisch..args! =)
00:46 < huebi> holyolli: leased lines with dail in?
00:46 * tsa haengt mal eben ganz polen hinter ein grosses NAT und wartet ab, was AH und ESP dazu sagen.. ;)
00:46 < holyolli> huebi: something like this....
00:46 < holyolli> tsa: !maul ;_)
00:46 < tsa> holyolli: wenn du schonmal da bist, koenntest du ja eigentlich eben polen neu verkabeln..
00:47 < holyolli> tsa: hehe
00:47 < holyolli> au ja
00:47 < holyolli> dann hat esden auch indernett ;)
00:47 < tsa> jo...sollen wir ihm ne firewall verkaufen?
00:47 * -> esden is not going to poland for longer until he has a dslflat or better comparable connection there ;-)
00:48 < holyolli> hehe...
00:48 < holyolli> esden: *hmmm* you don't have any satellite fone..?
00:48 < holyolli> ;)
00:48 < holyolli> btw. you can get some internet via satellite...that should work right fast
00:48 < huebi> holyolli: Du kannst ruhig das eine Kabel erneuern *g*
00:49 < holyolli> *FG*
00:49 < esden> ...
00:49 < tsa> huebi: zentrale internet-sammelstelle bratislava? ;)
00:49 < huebi> die 1 PetaBit Leitung.
00:49 < holyolli> *rotfl*
00:50 < huebi> deshalb haben die schon PetaBit
00:50 < holyolli> .oO(*hmm* ich sollte nicht zu sehr lachen...bald komm ich auch in den genuss)
00:50 < holyolli> esden: can you speak "polnisch"?
00:51 < esden> yes sure 
00:51 < esden> I speak polis all the time at home ...
00:51 < holyolli> oh...
00:51 < esden> ???
00:52 < holyolli> esden: bist du käuflich?
00:52 < holyolli> <-- brauch noch nen dolmetscher
00:52 < tsa> esden: so you probably are the first person to unterstand your parents? ;)
00:52 < huebi> lol
00:53 < esden> holyolli: wenn dass geld stimmt ... sicher ;-)
00:53 < huebi> esden: $$$$$
00:53 < tsa> ah
00:53 < tsa> esden: los! copy&paste in deine moneybox! schnell!
00:53 < tsa> *duck*
00:53 < huebi> esden akzeptiert nur international konvertierbare Waehrungen.
00:54 < tsa> huebi: ASCII-$$ ok?
00:54 < huebi> *LOOOL*
00:54 < esden> *ROFL*
00:58 < tsa> |
00:58 < tsa> |
00:58 < tsa> ,---.
00:58 < tsa> |   |
00:58 < tsa> |...|  <- Dienst-Handy fuer esden
00:58 < tsa> |...|
00:58 < tsa> `---'
00:58 < tsa> hm...was brauch er noch so alles?
00:58 < huebi> *LOOOL*
00:59 < huebi> tsa: Das hat 'ne Antenne. Damit kriegst Du heute niemanden mehr hinter dem Ofen vor.\
01:00 < tsa> hm....ist ja auch fuer polen
01:01 < tsa>        _______
01:01 < tsa> ,____ //__|__\\__
01:01 < tsa> |                |
01:01 < tsa> `- O --------O---'
01:01 < tsa> auch wichtig..
01:01 < rxr> HEY!
01:01 < tsa> rxr: willsu auch nen auto?
01:02 < tsa> ;)
01:02 < rxr> da schau man mal nen bissel divx waehrend die u5 gcc31 baut und schon scrolllen hier die ASCII rafiken durch!!!!!!!!!!!1
01:02 < tsa> rxr: dein "!" scheint zu haengen.. ;)
01:02 < huebi> *LOOOL*
01:03 < esden> hmm ... schauen wir aalib geparste divix filme im rocklinux channel ;-)
01:03 < tsa> hehe
01:03 < tsa> hm...wenn irgendwem auffaellt, dass es in polen auch bauern gibt, gibt's hier wieder kuehe..
01:04 < tsa> esden: willst du ne dienst-kuh? ;)
01:04 < esden> NOOOOOO!!!!
01:04 < tsa> hehehe
01:04 < huebi> MuH!
01:05 < holyolli> <-- brb...q3 spielen
01:05 < huebi> Flump! Bier ist offen. Mehr Filme!
01:05 < tsa> huebi: du willst dich nicht wirklich von esden melken lassen, oder? ;)
01:05 < huebi> hehe
01:06 < huebi> holyolli macht morgen dann 'nen Amoklauf. Der arme!
01:06 < tsa> $ telnet blinkenlights.nl  <-- da Film
01:06 < holyolli> huebi: klar!
01:06 < huebi> Killerolli
01:06 < esden> the chick on viva is having lots of beautiful tatoos !!!
01:06 < esden> cool
01:06 < holyolli> <-- is schon so richtig aggressiv
01:06 < esden> ohh ... she is no more there :-(
01:07 < huebi> holyolli: Traust Du dich ja doch wieder nicht.
01:07 < holyolli> hehe
01:07 < huebi> :P
01:07 < esden> huebi: RIP ... ich hoffe der selbstmord wird nicht sehr wehtun ;-)
01:08 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@p5082B5D1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Connection reset by telekom")
01:08 < huebi> "Connection reset by telekom"] <- jetzt uebernimmt er das Internett
01:08 < tsa> lol.
01:09 < tsa> wanted: q3.rocklinux.org? ;)
01:11 < esden> hmm I should send a patch to fefe ...
01:11 < huebi> das FETT-WEG-PATCH?
01:12 < esden> huebi: autch bist gemein ...
01:12 < huebi> und arrogant!
01:13 < esden> jepp 
01:13 < esden> ;-)
01:13 < huebi> und fies
01:13 < huebi> und 104kg schwer
01:13 < huebi> hehe
01:14 < huebi> Au ja. Ich schubs jetzt King Kimble vom Thron
01:14 < tsa> hehe
01:15 < huebi> schubs
01:15 < huebi> platsch
01:15 < huebi> AUA
01:15 < huebi> hehe
01:15 < esden> hast nicht angst dass er zuerueckhaut /
01:15 < esden> ?
01:15 < huebi> hmm. Ultra.Nate
01:16 < huebi> esden: Ich bin schneller
01:16 -!- uninvited [uninvited@p50802DDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ROCKLINUX
01:16 < huebi> und wenn's nur im weglaufen ist. ;-))
01:16 < uninvited> guten Morgen zusammen !
01:16 < huebi> Tach uninvited 
01:16 < esden> moin uni !!!!
01:17 < tsa> hi uninvited
01:17 < uninvited> Esden gruess dich.
01:17 < esden> wie geht es dir ...
01:17 < uninvited> Superb - Phänomenal - Grandios - BÄST !
01:17 < esden> uninvited: wieso hast nichts gesagt dass dein kind endlich da ist ?
01:17 < uninvited> hehehehe
01:17 < uninvited> Na gut.
01:18 < uninvited> Das Kind ist da.
01:18 < huebi> uninvited <- traut sich nicht.
01:18 < esden> Maedchen ? Junge ?
01:18 < uninvited> M
01:18 < uninvited> Hehehe
01:18 < uninvited> Trauen schon...
01:18 < huebi> Male?
01:18 < esden> yess cool
01:18 < uninvited> M = meins ;-)
01:18 < huebi> hehe
01:18 < esden> male nicht gut
01:18 < uninvited> 3300 gramm, 51 cm, male
01:18 < esden> maedchen = gut
01:18 < uninvited> har har har
01:19 < tsa> hehe
01:19 < tsa> send pic to mailing list.
01:19 < uninvited> me ?
01:19 < tsa> sure.
01:19 < esden> hehe ... uninvited yes do it ;-)
01:19 < uninvited> Hmmm, some people may call this up as an act of spam ;-)
01:19 < tsa> just to show that even us can sometime be successful in social life ;)
01:20 * huebi auch sehen wollen.
01:20 < uninvited> har har har
01:20 < uninvited> email ?
01:20 < uninvited> Ich hab die nicht da.
01:20 < tsa> rock-linux@rocklinux.org
01:20 < uninvited> simple !
01:20 < tsa> geht aber glaub ich nur von einer subscribeten adresse aus oder so..
01:20 < uninvited> bin ich !
01:20 < tsa> fein.
01:21 < esden> mommentan ist rock im park ???
01:22 < tsa> noe, wir sind doch alle hier..
01:22 < tsa> ne, keine ahnung
01:22 < uninvited> niahaha
01:22 < huebi> hehe
01:22 < huebi> oder am Ring
01:22 < esden> ja wurscht ... sind die mommentan ?
01:24 < uninvited> ...mail...
01:24 < huebi> esden muss 5 Tage IRC-logs lesen, der arme ;(
01:25 < tsa> wieso das?
01:25 < huebi> Weil wech in Polen.
01:26 < tsa> achso..
01:26 < esden> ich werde es nicht machen rein aus protest ... denn wenn ich nicht da bin werdet ihr bestimmt kuehe posten ... 
01:26 < esden> ich kenne euch ...
01:26 < huebi> Und die logs werden in short logs zusammen gefasst
01:26 < huebi> esden: Nein, niiiieeeemmmmmaaaalllssss
01:26 < esden> huebi: jajaja ...
01:26 < esden> ;-)
01:27 < tsa> hehe
01:27 * tsa parkt schon mal nen paar kuehe im ~/tmp ..
01:29 < esden> ich sage euch ich bin ueberall ... ich werde euch finden !!! ich werde sehen wenn ihr unartig sein ... und dann wird der weinachtsmann euch keine geschaenke bringen ... ;-)
01:29 < huebi> esden: ok
01:29 < tsa> ok
01:30 < uninvited> Check your mail !!
01:30 < tsa> huebi: wenn er weg ist, richten wir nen paar Kampfkuehe ab, ok? ;-)
01:30 < uninvited> esden check it out
01:30 < esden> brave jungs ;-)
01:30 < huebi> OO <- Siehst du diese traurigen Augen?
01:30 < esden> not here yet ... @ uni
01:31 < uninvited> darn it. 45 kb on the road
01:31 < tsa> hehe
01:31 < esden> hehe
01:31 < esden> huebi: ohhh
01:31 < esden> eine runde mitleid ;-)
01:33 < huebi> Also ich habe da mal ne Frage zum Kernelquaelcode. Am besten Ich poste mal alles, was ich nicht verstehe, Was ist eigendlich dieses Programmieren. Und was heisst den immer dieses C. Ist das noch aus der Sesamstrasse?
01:33 < huebi> hehe
01:34 < tsa> loool
01:34 < uninvited> Hier haben wir ein "C"...
01:34 < huebi> *LOL*
01:34 * uninvited is already sesamstrasse-infected
01:35 < huebi> * Warum hoert eigendlich das scrollen nicht mehr auf, wenn ich die 120MB mit der Maus markiere? *wunder*
01:35 < uninvited> ;-)
01:36 * uninvited away : milk run
01:36 < huebi> Copy habe ich jetzt...
01:36 < huebi> Welche Paste meinen die? Fuer die Zaehne?
01:37 < huebi> Mit AOL ist das viel einfacher. Da bin ich einfach drin.
01:39 < huebi> qt kompiliert jetzt schon 1h35 rum.
01:41 < uninvited> mailmailmailmail
01:43 < tsa> Jupp!
01:43 < huebi> was haltet ihr von sudo in base?
01:44 < tsa> huebi: ist ok.
01:44 < huebi> dann baue ich das mit ein.
01:45 < esden> cu all
01:45 < esden> n8
01:46 < esden> cu in some days
01:46 < huebi> have fun esden 
01:46 < uninvited> ciao esden
01:46 < uninvited> wohin gehts? 
01:47 < tsa> cu esden
01:50 < tsa> http://www.libsdl.org/demos.php <-interesting category selection
01:50 < tsa> choose "any" or "other"
01:50 < tsa> ;-)
01:54 < rxr> tsa: ah! I'll adapt 1.7 for this perfect category scheme ....
01:54 < tsa> rxr: hehe
01:54 * tsa puts all his packages in any/other
01:56 < huebi> was haltet ihr von samba in base?
01:56 < uninvited> must
01:57 < huebi> noch jemand?
01:57 < uninvited> hihi
01:59 < tsa> huebi: ist ok..
01:59 < huebi> 75 Daueridleenthaltungen 2 dafuer 0 dagegen. Angenommen. Samba kommt in base
02:00 < huebi> hehe
02:00 < uninvited> nur so und nicht anders !
02:00 < huebi> genau!
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02:00 < huebi> Jawollja
02:00 < Mike1> hi
02:00 < uninvited> hiya
02:00 < huebi> hi Miguel
02:01 < Mike1> hi Andreas
02:01 < hackbard> only reason against: more sources, more hd space ...
02:01 < tsa> hi Mike1
02:01 < hackbard> imo
02:01 < hackbard> re miguel
02:01 < hackbard> aber wenns ein veot waere kaeme es eh zu sppaet ;)
02:02 < huebi> hackbard: samba is very often needed. sudo only by sysadmins. I think it's good to have both handy..
02:02 < huebi>  And we have still some space on cd
02:03 < th> re
02:04 < th> ich bin gegen samba in der base
02:04 < huebi> th: warum?
02:04 < th> die base sollte meiner meinung so wenig wie moeglich enthalten
02:04 < th> eher schon sudo 
02:04 < huebi> ok
02:04 < hackbard> huebi: hehe, okay for the binaries, but i also have a seperated partition (maybe unlucky) for the rock-src'es and that limits me ;) - but i have to change that as 1.7 increases too and i dont want to do package seelection in Config ..
02:05 < huebi> dan samba in opt 
02:06 < uninvited> hmmm
02:06 < huebi> I mean samba is on the install cd but will be not installed with base.
02:06 < huebi> It's an optional base package.
02:06 < th> hmmm
02:06 < huebi> like RFC's
02:07 < th> das mit opt hab ich noch nie verstanden ;_
02:07 < uninvited> kann man durchgehen lassen. Dachte es wäre in base
02:07 < th> das mit opt hab ich noch nie verstanden ;)
02:07 < th> opt is ok
02:07 < th> aber dann gibts kein ext-file mehr oder?
02:07 < th> also nicht mehr so einfach zu updaten?
02:08 < huebi> th: base and opt for compiling differs from base and opt in installing.
02:08 < th> ok
02:09 < huebi> also I want to have irssi on the install disk
02:10 < huebi> qt compiles now for 2h. That seems to be a successfull compile run
02:10 < huebi> and squid
02:10 < uninvited> or it is one of these : 99%-breakdowns
02:11 < uninvited> what machine u using huebi ? 
02:11 < th> boah ich glaub ich kann jetz nicht mehr effektiv denken... ein wenig zuviel alkohol... edles essen zum 5jaehrigen firmenjubilaeum...
02:11 < th> *sigh*
02:11 < huebi> SUN Ultra30 300MHz
02:12 < th> huebi: irssi on install-disk? are you kidding?
02:12 < tsa> hehe...
02:12 < huebi> th: Denk an die Stiefelallergie....
02:12 < tsa> rock install doesn't take too much time..
02:12 < th> . o O ( mit Stiefel meint er root... aber allergie?? )
02:12 < tsa> include irssi just for 5 minutes to use during the install?
02:13 < tsa> slow down the install, perhaps ;)
02:13 < huebi> th Wenn du morgens mit stiefeln an den Fuessen aufwachst, hast du immer kopfschmerzen. - Stiefelallergie....
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02:14 < huebi> tsa: hehe
02:14 < th> huebi: was is dein punkt?
02:14 < th> ahhhhhh
02:14 < th> das war nicht auf irssi bezohen
02:14 < th> s,h,g,
02:14 < huebi> entweder Stiefelallergie oder zu viel Alkohol.
02:15 < th> ich hab es dann begriffen ;)
02:15 < th> ich versuchs mal mit schlaf
02:15 < th> und morgen gehts dann zum SO
02:15 < huebi> I want irssi as opt package on the installdisk
02:16 < th> no problem with that...
02:16 < th> fill the disk with opt-stuff not with base
02:17 < huebi> I agree to keep base very small.
02:17 < huebi> hat about vim as default vi?
02:17 < huebi> instead of nvi?
02:17 < rxr> uninvited: hey hasst die bettecke hatte ich auch mal (vor 20 Jahren ;-)
02:18 < rxr> uninvited: und Herzliche Glueckwuensche!
02:18 < uninvited> rxr> die ist tatsächlich ca 15 Jahre alt ;-)
02:18 * rxr wonders what he has written two line above ...
02:18 < rxr> *kopfschuettel*
02:19 < rxr> schoen ein bier zu viel oder so ...
02:19 < huebi> hehe
02:19 * huebi hat 2 bier...
02:19 < rxr> huebi: ah!
02:19 * uninvited hat ne Flasche WEISSHERBST
02:20 * huebi will das T-Shirt WEBMEISTER haben
02:20 < huebi> URL vergessen ;(
02:21 * rxr baut zum X-ten mal nen sparc-cross-gcc ....
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02:21 < th> huebi: vim is my default vi but i think a full-featured vim is not suitable as default vi
02:22 < rxr> ok naechtle denn mal ;-) cu
02:22 < huebi> cu rxr 
02:23 < huebi> th: hmm, dann vielleicht weiterhin als extension.
02:23 < huebi> mal genau ansehen.
02:23 < huebi> als opt geht auch.
02:23 < th> huebi: aber ich wuerde einen kleinen vi dem nvi vorziehen. aber das ist persoenliche meinung. ein more-berkely-like vi is vielleicht besser...
02:23 < th> keine ahnung
02:24 < th> huebi: warum soviel opt? warum nicht konsequent ext?
02:24 < th> oder ist der unterschied nur, dass opt als binary auf die cd kann?
02:24 < huebi> und dann kann man bei der Installation den default-vi auswaehlen
02:25 < huebi> opt ist im dateisystem, gehoert also direkt zur distribution. ext's sind dann alle unter opt.
02:26 < th> also unterschied im --prefix
02:26 < huebi> th weisst du einen more-berkely-like vi?
02:26 < th> nvi
02:26 < huebi> ah ok
02:26 < th> mach mal im nvi ein :version
02:27 < huebi> ok
02:27 < huebi> verstanden ;-))
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02:27 < th> aber ich kann mir vorstellen, dass ich ein opt-pkg schlechter updaten kann als eine extension
02:27 < huebi> th: das stimmt nur bedingt.
02:27 < th> aber mit nem pkg-remove sollte das auch machbar sein
02:28 < th> solange ich durch ausgekluegelte wgettene scripte die neusten urls kriege
02:28 < huebi> du must nur mit pkg-remove das alte pkg vorher entfernen
02:28 < th> warum gabs doch gleich kein opt-config?
02:29 < th> fuehren wir auch ein opt-config mit puren ext-files ein?
02:29 < huebi> Argh
02:30 < th> hab ich was falsches gesagt?
02:30 < huebi> nein
02:30 < huebi> mom
02:30 < huebi> die extensions werden _alle_ in optinstalliert.
02:30 < th> ja
02:30 < tsa> *gaehn*
02:30 < th> im unterschied zu 1.7
02:30 < tsa> ich wed denn wohl auch mal so langsam schlafen gehen..
02:30 < tsa> +r
02:30 < th> ich glaub es gibt ganz wenige exquisite ausnahmen
02:31 < tsa> n8 *
02:31 < th> n8 tsa
02:31 < huebi> base-config wird ins normale filesystem inst.
02:31 < huebi> cu tsa 
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02:31 < huebi> schlaf gut
02:32 < huebi> in base-config stecken alle base und alla opt packete.
02:32 < uninvited> argh ! Frust ! Ich geh ins bett. Man sieht sich evtl in 3h 45m...da ist mein qnx-iso fertig gesaugt. Gute n8
02:32 < th> aber da gibts wieder conf, desc, pz
02:32 < th> ich hab nichts gegen conf, desc, pz aber es ist nicht einheitlich
02:33 < th> andere art und weise der aktualisierung
02:33 < huebi> cu uninvited 
02:33 < th> (er war ja ehh nich eingeladen)
02:33 < uninvited> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ;-)
02:33 * uninvited slaps uninvited around a bit with a large trout
02:33 < huebi> th: deshalb gibt es jetzt ja auch irgendwann 1.7
02:33 < uninvited> autsch
02:34 < th> huebi: hast du vor in 1.5 / 1.6 auf die gleichberechtigung alle pkgs (ext und nicht-ext) hinzuarbeiten?
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02:35 < huebi> th: Eigendlich nicht. Ich will 1.5 auf Sparc am Laufen haben. Und alle Packete in aktueller und funktionierender Version habne.
02:35 < th> huebi: und wie aktualisiert man sich die conf/desc/pz?
02:36 < th> gibts da schon was?
02:36 < huebi> nee, da habe ich noch nichts.
02:36 < th> es gibt ein ./scripts/Update 
02:36 < huebi> Hast du ne Idee?
02:36 < th> das macht ein rsync. ich glaub das ist obsolete
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02:36 < th> huebi: jo. ich koennte analog zum ext was wgettenes bauen
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02:37 < huebi> th: das waere sehr gut. Wann willst du das machen?
02:37 < th> huebi: du musst mich nur zum richtigen zeitpunkt nerven ;)
02:37 < th> hehe nein. mal sehen
02:38 < huebi> ok
02:38 < th> ich wuerde dann fuer 1.5 das Update aendern und damit gleich ext und base updaten
02:38 < huebi> Ich gehe jetzt mal ins bett. Ich bin seit 20h wach...
02:38 < huebi> ;-))
02:38 < th> dann koennte ich endlich was bauen womit man auch einzelne pakete updaten kann
02:38 < th> dann entfaellt das lange refetch-ext
02:38 < th> was ja ALLES neu holt
02:39 < th> huebi: haben wir irgendwo ne TODO?
02:39 < huebi> Jo, das hoert sich gut an.
02:39 < huebi> Nee, noch nicht.
02:39 < th> ach ich wollte ja mal unser workflow-ding installieren
02:39 < th> aber ne datei im cvs reicht wohl fuers erste
02:40 < huebi> Kannst du einfach eine unter Documentation anlegen?
02:40 < th> Documentation/Developers/TODO scheint ein wenig alt
02:40 < huebi> ersetzen..
02:40 < th> also erstmal leer machen und Update reinschreiben?
02:41 < huebi> jo
02:41 < huebi> so, und wech...
02:41 < huebi> schlaf gut
02:41 < huebi> ;-))
02:42 < th> n8 huebi 
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03:02 < Mike1> could you guys do me a favor?
03:03 < Mike1> echo "Subject: Test mail" | sendmail travel@costarica.net
03:04 < Mike1> i need prove my boss that he the mail account _IS_ getting mails from everywhere
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03:08 < chrisime> esden: er?
03:08 < chrisime> wtf!
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04:51 < hackbard> n8
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07:32 < huebi> moin
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07:49 < huebi> root@rock:/rock-linux# ls /rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs/*log |wc -l => 307
07:49 < huebi> root@rock:/rock-linux# ls /rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs/*log |wc -l => 308
07:49 < huebi> root@rock:/rock-linux# ls /rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs/*err |wc -l => 14
07:58 < huebi> 2-sparc-utils.err  3-ghostscript.err  3-pcmcia-cs.err    3-xscreensaver.err
07:58 < huebi> 3-alsa.err         3-iproute2.err     3-sawfish.err      5-rock-debug.err
07:58 < huebi> 3-apmd.err         3-isapnptools.err  3-softdog.err
07:58 < huebi> 3-dump-config.err  3-mtools.err       3-sparc-utils.err
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09:14 < uninvited_fit> moinsen !
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10:44 < th> morgen
10:45 < capchaos> moin
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11:26 < tomik> hi
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11:34 < hackbard> moin
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12:04 < bluefire> Moin
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12:04 < th> das ging mir ja sowas von auf den sack, das topic
12:04 < bluefire> heh
12:05 < th> moin bluefire und hackbard 
12:10 < huebi> hehe
12:10 < huebi> moin zusammen
12:10 < th> moin huebi 
12:13 < hackbard> hi th, bluefire, huebi
12:14 < hackbard> huebi: what happened to rock? 
12:14 < huebi> So, ich bin jetzt dabei, mal alle quellpackete down zo loaden.
12:14 < huebi> hackbard: Is doch da. Was meinst du?
12:14 < hackbard> yo, just /home/hackbard got deleted ..
12:15 < hackbard> right?
12:15 < huebi> no
12:15 < huebi> root@rock:/rock-linux# ll /home/hackbard/
12:15 < huebi> total 8688
12:15 < huebi> drwxr-xr-x    3 root     root         4096 May 17 15:32 .
12:15 < huebi> drwxr-xr-x    3 root     root         4096 May 16 11:44 ..
12:15 < huebi> drwxr-xr-x   14 573      573          4096 May 17 15:29 linux
12:15 < huebi> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          780 May 17 02:51 readme_netboot
12:15 < huebi> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        15440 May 16 23:31 sparc64_netboot.config1
12:15 < huebi> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        15422 May 17 15:29 sparc64_netboot.config2
12:15 < huebi> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root      3233004 May 16 22:30 vmlinux_netboot
12:15 < huebi> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root      2458336 May 17 01:16 vmlinux_netboot.aout
12:15 < huebi> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root      3186075 May 17 15:29 vmlinux_netboot2
12:16 < hackbard> oh ja sorry - ich war vorhin auf fels ..
12:16 < huebi> ;->>>
12:16 < hackbard> danke :)
12:16 < huebi> gern geschehen
12:18 < huebi> Ich sauge auf rock gerade alle neuen downloads zusammen.
12:18 < huebi> Dann kopiere ich sie wieder auf ftp:/ella
12:18 < th> mit ion :-)
12:18 < th> ion rockt.
12:18 < th> windowmanager
12:18 < th> seit vorgestern als extension verfuegbar ;)
12:21 < huebi> Da muss ich wohl noch mal einen cvs co machen ;-))
12:22 < th> unbedingt. aber ein update sollte reichen ;)
12:23 < th> wie checke ich die versionen von evtl installierten perl modulen?
12:26 < rxr> re
12:27 < huebi> hi rene
12:27 < huebi> th cvs co hat nicht gereicht.
12:27 < huebi> falsch
12:27 < huebi> th cvs up hat nicht gereicht.
12:27 < huebi> cvs co war noetig.
12:28 < th> quark
12:28 < th> was meinst du mit "hat nicht gereicht">
12:28 < huebi> th: in ernst??
12:28 < th> was meinst du mit "hat nicht gereicht"?
12:28 < huebi> ion.ext kam nicht mit
12:29 < th> hast du cvs up -d gemacht?
12:29 < th> -d fuer directories
12:29 < th> sonst kriegst du keine neuen verzeichnisse
12:29 < huebi> nur cvs up
12:29 < th> siehste
12:29 < huebi> * Cederqvist ruskram
12:29 < th> vergiss cvs co ganz schnell 
12:29 < huebi> +
12:30 < th> und nur noch cvs update -dP
12:31 < huebi> *les*
12:32 < huebi> ok
12:32 < huebi> ;-))
12:32 < huebi> danke
12:39 < rxr> ah s.th. to do for today: update 1.7 to gnome-2.0-desktop-beta5 ....
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13:05 < hackbard> oh, silo fuehrt man am besten auf non_devfs system aus ... !?!?
13:06 < huebi> hackbard: warum/
13:06 < huebi> ?
13:07 < hackbard> weil er immer sagt silo.conf is ungueltig, bis ich partition=1 hinzufuege .. dann will er aber auf /dev/hda1 schreiben ..
13:09 < hackbard> btw, ich habe jetzt auch mal suse rescue gestarted, bzip2 gelinkt, Install.bin ausgefuehrt, das setup abgebrochen, bei dir nen neuen kenrel gebaut (diesmal ohne dhcp, nfsroot etc ..) via tftpboot gebooted und dann im rock setup.d/* neu ausgefuehrt. also habe ich ein devfs system, aber bekomme die silo.conf nicht hin ...
13:09 < hackbard> ich boote das nochmal mit devfs=compat .. vielleict schluckt ers dann :)
13:10 < huebi> root@fels:/rock-linux# cat /etc/silo.conf 
13:10 < huebi> # ripclaw silo.conf manually
13:10 < huebi> #
13:10 < huebi> timeout=80
13:10 < huebi> partition=1
13:10 < huebi> root=/dev/hda1
13:10 < huebi> read-only
13:10 < huebi> image=/boot/vmlinux
13:10 < huebi>   label=linux
13:10 < huebi>   append="devfs=compat root=/dev/hda1"
13:11 < huebi> image=/boot/vmlinux
13:11 < huebi>   label=rockway
13:11 < huebi>   append="root=/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1"
13:11 < huebi> r 
13:11 < huebi> di tut auf fels
13:11 < hackbard> kenn ich! habe gerade halbe stunde in den xchtlogs gesucht um das zu finden :)
13:11 < hackbard> hmm
13:12 < huebi> du kannst silo auch sagen, er soll ine einer chroot umgebung laufen.
13:13 < hackbard> wieso chroot? ich bin schon im fresh installten rock, nur das ich kenrel noch via tftpboot lade
13:13 < hackbard> mit: net boot root=...
13:13 < huebi> silo -r /path/to/the/root/of/ryour/new/system -C /path/to/silo.conf
13:13 < huebi> hat auf rock vom suse rescue prima funkktioniert.
13:14 < hackbard> jo, suse rescue wr noch non devfs
13:14 < hackbard> und ich dachte argh .. kein devfs, super wei bring ich das silo bei ... :)
13:15 < huebi> silo 1.2.5 ist auch noch ne alternative.
13:16 < hackbard> irgendwei habe ich auch probs mit den 2 eths ;)
13:16 < huebi> Ich hier garnu=icht.
13:17 < hackbard> hm
13:17 < huebi> schmeiss die 2. doch einfach raus.
13:17 < hackbard> die haben bei mir dieseleb mac addr
13:17 < hackbard> ne, dei muss ich nutzen :)
13:17 < huebi> ist normal
13:17 < hackbard> jo, habe ich auch schon gehoert
13:18 < hackbard> und man kann es mit local-mac-address = true im OBP angeblich veraendern .. aber das habe ich alles noch nicht hinbekommen
13:19 < hackbard> das coole ist, die onboard reagiert auf den tftpboot, rarpd und dhcp, wenn linux spaeter booted, sagt es zeigt es zwar beim booten eth0 und 1 an, jeweils mit selber mac, hat aber spaeter nur eth0 (ifconfig) drin und das ist natuerlich die nicht onboard karte :-))
13:22 < huebi> Blocks total: 359849 Blocks current: 359849 Blocks remaining: 71 <- langsam wirds eng auf der source cd
13:23 < huebi> ohne tftboot sollte das ganz normal gehen.
13:23 < rxr> huebi: fuere welche arch compiliert?
13:23 < huebi> rock-source-ext-1.5.14_2002-05-18_13h07.iso
13:24 < rxr> ah
13:24 < th> boah
13:24 < th> huebi: ein iso mit allen ext sourcen?
13:25 < huebi> th genau. Vonened gerade mit _allen_ aktuellen Sourcen in 1.5.14
13:25 < hackbard> huebi: was bootest du immer, linux oder rockway?
13:25 < huebi> linux
13:25 < hackbard> hmm, ich glaube nict dass du in rock selber silo aus
13:26 < th> huebi: und ist die cd auch usable? oder wie wendet man die an um an die extensions ranzukommen?
13:26 < hackbard> fuehren kannst ...
13:26 < huebi>  
13:26 < huebi> root@fels:/rock-linux# silo
13:26 < huebi> /etc/silo.conf appears to be valid
13:26 < huebi> Fatal error: Cannot open superblock on /dev/hda1
13:26 < huebi>  
13:27 < hackbard> jo
13:27 < huebi> SILO 1.2.4 Sparc Improved boot LOader
13:27 < huebi> 1,2,5 ist aktuell
13:27 < huebi> der kann devfs
13:27 < hackbard> aha!
13:27 < hackbard> werde ich probieren ..
13:27 < hackbard> thnx :)
13:29 < huebi> th: Ripclaw wollte immer diese CD's haben.
13:29 < huebi> root@rock:/rock-linux# mount -o loop rock-source-ext-1.5.14_2002-05-18_13h07.iso /mnt/
13:29 < huebi> root@rock:/rock-linux# ll /mnt/
13:29 < huebi> total 2029
13:29 < huebi> dr-xr-xr-x    5 root     root         2048 May 18 13:09 .
13:29 < huebi> drwxr-xr-x   19 root     root         4096 May 18 12:25 ..
13:29 < huebi> -r--r--r--    1 root     root        18870 Feb  4 07:41 COPYING
13:29 < huebi> dr-xr-xr-x    8 root     root         2048 May 16 11:03 Documentation
13:29 < huebi> -r--r--r--    1 root     root         3176 Feb  4 07:41 README
13:29 < huebi> -r--r--r--    1 root     root          339 May 18 13:09 TRANS.TBL
13:29 < huebi> dr-xr-xr-x  279 root     root        34816 May 18 12:58 ext-archive
13:29 < huebi> dr-xr-xr-x  287 root     root        36864 May 18 12:27 ext-config
13:29 < huebi> -r--r--r--    1 root     root      1974132 May 18 13:09 rock-src-1.5.14_2002-05-18_13h07.tar.bz2
13:29 < huebi>  
13:30 < th> also linkt man die sich ins /usr/src/rock-src rein
13:30 < huebi> jo, soolte dan irgendwie gehen.
13:32 < hackbard> huebi: *stress* 2 tips waeren noch cool. 1. wie bekomme ich wirklich das deutsche tastatur layout hin. 2. bei der passwd eingabe beim login, ghet er nicht weiter nach return, erst wenn ich praktisch fortfahre zu schreiben ... (hatte ich bei javastation auch schon)
13:33 < th> hackbard: setxkbmap de?
13:33 < th> hackbard: loadkeys de?
13:33 < th> fuer x und console
13:33 < hackbard> jo, aber das habe ich ja so schon im setup eigentlich eingegeben - aber ich probier nochmal! thx
13:34 < huebi> hackbard: Keymap ist bei sun wohl fest verdratet.
13:34 < hackbard> oja, das merke ich gerade
13:34 < hackbard> loadkeys de war keien gute idee :)))
13:34 < huebi> nach der passwd eingabe einfach noch 3 oder 4X enter druecken.
13:34 < th> aber per xmodmap auch aenderbar IIRC
13:35 < hackbard> huebi: aha, ud ich dachte nur meien java hat diesen ticker ..
13:35 < huebi> Also ich wollte die Keymap noch nicht aendern.
13:35 < hackbard> ne, tus auch nicht
13:35 < hackbard> nu geht garnix mehr vernuenftiges :)
13:36 < huebi> Das amerikanische Layout gefaellt mir aus der Zeit noch, wo es noch keine deutschen Tastaturen gab, am besten.
13:36 < huebi> hackbard: Der Fehler sollte eigendlich im login schon eine Weile behoben sein.
13:37 < huebi> ssh funktioniert ohne Probleme
13:37 < hackbard> jo, habe schon den kernel via ssh auf sparc host gebracht - klappt gut .. da hatte ich mit der java und jans altem iso probs gehabt
13:37 < hackbard> da konnte ich nur von der java auf andere einloggen, was aetzend war ..
13:38 < hackbard> *neuboot *netwerkkabel umsteck *g
13:45 < hackbard> huebi: ln -s /dev/ide/host0/bus0/taregt0/lun0/disc /dev/hda
13:45 < hackbard> :)
13:45 < hackbard> dann gehts
13:46 < hackbard> btw, disc mit c ist unpassend
13:56 < rxr> toll - gestern konnte ich noch ne sparc64 cross-gcc bauen. Jetzt will der nicht mehr .. ?!?
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14:13 < rxr> Hehe, comment to my last Avision backend:
14:13 < rxr> But, 7400 realy works good!
14:13 < rxr> Now I can connect it to the linux server :)
14:13 < rxr> Thanks.
14:13 < rxr> Seems to be another Windows System gets deleted soon ;-)
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14:45 < capchaos> ./scripts/Download: [: 3972963082: integer expression expected <= whats this?
14:46 < rxr> capchaos: which ROCK tree ?
14:46 < capchaos> still dRock1.6rc3
14:46 < capchaos> is happens when converting gzip->bzip2
14:47 < rxr> capchaos: for all download - or only for some ?
14:47 < capchaos> vor all, when converting
14:47 < rxr> capchaos: or better which file was this ?
14:47 < capchaos> s/vor/for
14:47 < huebi> capchaos: It's the cksum test. I don't know, how to solve that. Any ideas?
14:48 < rxr> capchaos: never failed here - which system are you running the Download on ?
14:48 < capchaos> huebi: i have no idea
14:49 < capchaos> rxr: i still run on your binary iso of 1.6rc3
14:49 < huebi> It's the equation where the new calculated cksum is compared to the given one.
14:50 < capchaos> all seems to be fine so far, only this message comes..
14:51 < rxr> capchaos: hm never happend here *wonder*. Are you sure that it are all files that fail - or only some ?
14:51 < capchaos> yes all
14:52 < capchaos> and, no, i've done nothing to the scripts yet
14:54 < rxr> capchaos: what does "cksum pkg-archive/gcc-2.95.3.tar.bz2" for example give you ?
14:55 < capchaos> 2371295480 9848842 pkg-archive/gcc-2.95.3.tar.bz2
14:55 < capchaos> seems to be ok
14:55 < rxr> cksum pkg-archive/gcc-2.95.3.tar.bz2 | cut -f1 -d' '
14:55 < rxr> is also ok ?
14:56 < capchaos> 2371295480
14:56 < capchaos> ok
14:56 < rxr> do you have bc
14:56 < capchaos> yes
14:56 < huebi> It's the equation where the new calculated cksum is compared to the given one. <- Hallo. DID YOU READ THAT?
14:57 < rxr> huebi: ???
14:57 < rxr> I'm at the expressen and want do know what IS compared
14:57 < rxr> apples to cows or so ...
14:57 < huebi> ahh ok.
14:58 < huebi> interger overflow?
14:58 < hackbard> clifford reported that once, it just happens when cksum gets to big values, one should ignore it!
14:59 < rxr> capchaos: x="`cksum pkg-archive/gcc-2.95.3.tar.bz2 | cut -f1 -d' '`" ; y="`echo $x - 2371295480 | bc`" ; echo $y
14:59 < capchaos> rxr: it gives me 0
15:00 < rxr> [ $y -ne 0 ] || echo "ok"
15:00 < rxr> (in the same terminal)
15:01 < capchaos> 0
15:01 < capchaos> erm, ok
15:01 < rxr> hm
15:02 < rxr> could you put a "set -x" on the top of the Download script ?
15:02 < capchaos> k
15:03 * rxr wonder why we do not simply a textual compare like "$x" = "$cksum" ???
15:04 < huebi> rxr: Do you want to change it in that way? I wuold like it
15:05 < rxr> huebi: I was only wondering - we can ask Cliff next week why he does a artihmetic substraction ... - but so far I never got a problem with it ...
15:06 < huebi> cna you change it so that I can test it here?
15:07 * huebi goes shopping
15:07 < huebi> cu later
15:07 < capchaos> bye huebi
15:07 < rxr> huebi: hm in 1.5 the script might differ again ..
15:07 < rxr> cu huebi 
15:08 * rxr must also do some shopping soon ;-)
15:09 < hackbard> rxr: i definetly want gcc3.1 as a default for all (c,c++,f77) for sparc, right?
15:10 < rxr> hackbard: yes - or you have to take the egcs-sparc64 for the kernel ...
15:11 < rxr> but perl5 is still failing with the gcc3 because of strange pointer casting ...
15:11 < hackbard> aha
15:11 < rxr> fuck shit gruebel. warum will mein Athlon keinen cross gcc fuer sparc64 bauen
15:11 < rxr> ging doch gestern noch *wunder*
15:12 < hackbard> wieso sparc64
15:12 < hackbard> ?
15:12 < hackbard> es gibt doch nur sparc als target
15:12 < rxr> hackbard: bei mir gibt es auch sparc64 als target ;-)
15:12 < hackbard> commit mal bitte :)
15:12 < hackbard> oder kannst du mir den entsprechewnden patch scjicken?
15:12 < rxr> ansonnsten koennen deine binutils und gcc kein sparc64 kernel bauen ...
15:13 < rxr> hackbard: es tut ja noch nicht soo richtig ... (bisher ist das hauptsaechlich das define fuer das menue sammt header ...
15:13 < hackbard> klingt logisch
15:13 < hackbard> okay, auch nichtz sclecht, dann sehe ich mal wei man das macht!
15:13 < hackbard> aber nur wenns kein stress macht
15:14 < rxr> und eigendlich tat auch schon fast ein completter Stage-0-1 cross build - ausser das ich jetzt keinen corss compiler mehr bauen kann (warum auch immer ...)
15:14 < hackbard> also meinst du mit gcc3.1 kannst du 64bit kernel crosscompilen ... wenn der das noch nichtmal native kann ...
15:14 < rxr> jain - native sollte der das auch koennen ...
15:15 < hackbard> jo, sollte :)
15:15 < rxr> aber ich baue lieber erstmal auf meinem athlon ein kleinen sparc64 system, weil das auf der U5 so lange dauert ...
15:15 < hackbard> btw, ich habe 2 kernel auf rock.rocklinux.dyndns.org abgelegt, der 2te ist jetzt ein nicht_netboot kernel und funzt super , auch aufloesungstechnisch etc ..
15:15 < hackbard> rxr: i see
15:16 < rxr> und die U5 kann so keinen gcc-sparc64 bauen, weil die binutils und der vorhandene gcc keine sparc64 koennen ... deshalb brauechtest du auf der U5 auch erstmal nen  von sparc32 -> sparc64 cross compiler ...
15:16 < hackbard> also das userland sollte sich ja kaum vomn sparc32 unterscheiden ..
15:16 < hackbard> ohhh
15:16 < hackbard> hueae
15:16 < rxr> und das mache ich lieber auf meinem Athlon (der nen Test in 30min schafft und nicht ein paar stunden braucht ...)
15:17 < rxr> hackbard: doch sparc64 userland ist auch anderst ...
15:17 < rxr> nur das war bisher nicth stable - sollte es jetzt aber sein ...
15:17 < hackbard> hmm, aha
15:17 < rxr> wenn du 32bit userland auf deiner sparc nutzt, brauchst du nen cross compiler fuer den kernel ...
15:18 < rxr> (so haben das ROCK versionen bisher immer gemacht ...)
15:18 < hackbard> also dann mach mal schoen den cross-sparc64.patch fertig und schick den mir dann auch mal bitte ;))
15:18 < hackbard> jo
15:18 < hackbard> hmm ..
15:18 < rxr> hackbard: bin jetzt erstmal einkaufen (damit in nicht verhungere ...)
15:19 < hackbard> okay, das wollen wir ja dann nun auch nicht :)
15:19 < hackbard> beeil dich, is bald 4 :p
15:19 < rxr> dannach enable ich mal rsync auf drocklinux.dyndns.org
15:19 < hackbard> jo, cool!
15:19 < rxr> dann kannst du meinen tree auch rsyncen ...
15:19 < rxr> cu
15:19 < hackbard> bis dann
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15:36 < tsa> moin.
15:40 < hackbard> hi tsa
15:40 < tsa> hi hackbard
15:50 < capchaos> ls
15:51 < hackbard> .
15:51 < hackbard> ..
15:51 < capchaos> hehe
15:51 < hackbard> :)
16:00 < rxr> re
16:00 < tsa> hi rxr
16:02 < rxr> moin tsa
16:04 < rxr> rsyncd via inetd or daemon backgound mode? Any suggestions ?
16:04 < tsa> --daemon
16:06 < rxr> tsa: ok
16:13 < rxr> hackbard: rsync <your opts like -rva> rsync://drocklinux.dyndns.org/rock
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16:23 < huebi> re
16:24 < hackbard> re huebi
16:24 < huebi> hi Frank ;-)
16:24 < hackbard> rxr: danke!
16:25 < huebi> hi tsa
16:25 < capchaos> rxr: is this the failing expression ==> [ $nocheck = 1 -o $2 -eq 0 ] && return 0   ?
16:26 < hackbard> rxr: and ym options could look like? ;) - first time i use rsync
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16:29 < rxr> hackbard:  -arv should be ok
16:29 < rxr> hackbard: you maybe should checkout this into another dir like rock-rxr
16:29 < rxr> so do do not loose your modifications ...
16:30 < huebi> egcs.cont is now fixed and works on intel. I have still to test it on sparc
16:30 < huebi> s/t/f/
16:32 < hackbard> rxr: yes, i call it rock-dev 
16:32 < hackbard> but there is no rsync on the sparc, i think i didnt activate it install
16:33 < rxr> hackbard: to compile sparc64 on your ROCK-1.5.12 system you would need to activate the "use pseudeo cross compiler" ...
16:33 < rxr> since it is a cross build from sprac32 to sparc64 ...
16:34 < hackbard> i downloaded 1.7 and just buiöld normal sparc target , glibc atm
16:34 < hackbard> but i will pkg-install rsync now and checkout ur tree
16:35 < hackbard> the cross compiler get build automagically , not?
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16:38 < capchaos> back to the integer-overflow prob
16:38 < capchaos> i think this is the problem:
16:38 < capchaos> [ $nocheck = 1 -o $2 -eq 0 ] && return 0
16:39 < capchaos> in cksum_chk()
16:39 < rxr> capchaos: this was also the line i was at ...
16:39 < capchaos> could one use "$2" = "0" instead?
16:40 < capchaos> at least it works, if i do so..
16:40 < capchaos> i'm not a bash guru though
16:40 < rxr> capchaos: could you place output the value via echo and put some brackets arround the output
16:41 < rxr> the 0 seems to contain some white-spaces like "0 " so for bash it is not an integer ...
16:41 < capchaos> mom, girlfried at phone... *grummel*
16:41 < rxr> capchaos: grummel? 
16:42 < rxr> capchaos: could you test this:
16:42 < rxr> cksum_chk() {
16:42 < rxr>         [ $nocheck = 1 -o $2 -eq 0 ] && return 0
16:42 < rxr>         #x="`cksum "$1" | cut -f1 -d' '`" ; y="`echo $x - $2 | bc`"
16:42 < rxr>         #if [ $y -ne 0 ] ; then
16:42 < rxr>         if [ "`cksum "$1" = "$2" ] ; then
16:43 < capchaos> yes. mom
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16:50 < capchaos> rxr: if [ "`cksum $1`" = "$2" ] ; then  ? or what?
16:53 < rxr_> the stuff the was present there ...
16:54 < capchaos> rxr_: what do you mean?
16:54 < rxr_> flood:
16:54 < rxr_> cksum_chk() {
16:54 < rxr_>         [ $nocheck = 1 -o $2 -eq 0 ] && return 0
16:54 < rxr_>         #x="`cksum "$1" | cut -f1 -d' '`" ; y="`echo $x - $2 | bc`"
16:54 < rxr_>         #if [ $y -ne 0 ] ; then
16:54 < rxr_>         if [ "`cksum "$1"`" = "$2" ] ; then
16:54 < rxr_>                 echo "Cksum ERROR: $3.cksum-err ($x)"
16:54 < rxr_>                 mv "$3" "$3.cksum-err" ; return 1
16:54 < rxr_>         fi
16:54 < rxr_>         return 0
16:54 < rxr_> }
16:54 < rxr_> this is the full function, ok ?
16:54 < capchaos> yes right. you forgot a `  ;)
16:54 < capchaos> ill try..
16:58 < capchaos> rxr: hum, that was not my point. so.. what about the first expression $2 -eq 0 ? i commented that out, and it worked.
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16:59 < capchaos> then i wrote "$2" = "0" and it worked again
16:59 < capchaos> without an error message
17:00 < rxr_> capchaos: a THIS one ...
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17:00 < rxr> capchaos: I'll take a look in a few seconds - I'm just eating ...
17:00 < capchaos> i'm phoning my girlfriend, she cant wait..
17:01 < capchaos> rxr: bon appetite ;)
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17:07 < uninvited_fit> Ma-Ma-Mahlzeit
17:07 < uninvited_fit> hello
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17:13 < huebi> rxr: can alsa work on sparc(64) ?
17:14 < huebi> hi uninvited 
17:20 < rxr> huebi: I'm not sure ... I'll take a look
17:20 < rxr> capchaos: have you tested:
17:20 < rxr> [ $nocheck = 1 -o $2 = "0" ] && return 0
17:20 < capchaos> this works?
17:20 < hackbard> rxr: rsync -rva rsync://drocklinux.dyndns.org/roc doesnt store the files ..
17:21 < rxr> the is a k missing at the end ;-)
17:21 < hackbard> sure, i wrote rock, sorry
17:21 < rxr> AND you need to specify a destination like . or rock-1.7.rxr
17:21 < hackbard> ah
17:22 < hackbard> thanks! :)
17:24 < capchaos> rxr: $2 = "0" works, too. seems you need to modify the scripts ;>
17:28 < rxr> hm fuck - the U5 doesn't recognize the IBM disk anymore ...
17:28 < rxr> capchaos: ok done
17:29 < rxr> huebi: maybe it spins up do slowly ?
17:29 < rxr> huebi: is it save to jumper sparc disks to master or slave ?
17:30 < uninvited> Damn it. Someone configured the Star Office Schedule Server yet ?
17:31 < uninvited> cya
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17:32 < capchaos> rxr: $2 = 0 does it without an error message, too. is it ok?
17:33 < rxr> you should put brackets arround the "$2" so it doesn't fail if $2 is empty or included whitespaces ...
17:33 < capchaos> ah, ok
17:48 < huebi> rxr: cableselect. and only on disk a one channel.
17:49 < tsa> huebi: didn't help with my ibm disk.
17:50 < tsa> rxr: which model is it?
17:52 < tsa> dtta-351010 didn't work here..
17:53 < tsa> (it worked - a little bit. terrible slow and often wasn't recognized at boot time..
17:53 < tsa> )
17:55 < rxr> tsa: yes exact this model (as I alreday wrote to you ;-)
17:55 < rxr> I now jumpered it to master (was cable-select ...)
17:55 < rxr> now it booted again ;-)
17:56 < rxr> when I have some spare money the box will get a SCSI disk ...
17:56 < rxr> but for now this is the only free >5GB disk lying arround here ...
17:57 < rxr> tsa: the suns disk are supposed to run in cable select mode? or is hard-coded master/slave settin ok, too?
17:57 < tsa> do you already have a scsi controller?
17:58 < tsa> rxr: i tried both with no success.
17:59 < rxr> i have a aic7xxx (utral-scsi) in my Athlon box and a LSI Logic / Symbios Logic (formerly NCR) 53c810. One of them can go into the sun ...
17:59 < tsa> hehe.
17:59 < tsa> the adaptec won't work.
18:00 < tsa> the lsi might do.
18:00 < rxr> huebi wrote the NCR should work, right?
18:00 < rxr> ah ok
18:00 < huebi> 53c875
18:00 < tsa> depends on the chip model.
18:00 < tsa> yes
18:00 < tsa> i got a 53c875 symbios off ebay cheap, but still no spare money to buy a scsi disk.
18:01 < huebi> All the rest does not work.
18:01 < rxr> huebi: what rest ?
18:01 < tsa> huebi: and there's something else - everything made by tekram doesn't work, even with 53c875 chip
18:01 < rxr> why doesn't Sun suport Adaptec? Seems to be the better hardware ...
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18:02 < tsa> re hackbard
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18:02 < hackbard_> re
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18:02 < rxr> hi huebi 
18:02 < rxr> er hackbard 
18:02 < tsa> hehe
18:02 < tsa> ;)
18:05 < huebi> with irssi 0.8.4 you can exchange the binary while running it. ;-))
18:05 * rxr now tests wether xdirectfb runs on the sun ...
18:05 < rxr> since XFree crahses the box ...
18:07 < tsa> which fb?
18:08 < rxr> woa!
18:08 < hackbard> ATY Mach64
18:08 < tsa> hm?
18:08 < rxr> I would need to recompile XFree for it - urgs *skiped*
18:08 < hackbard> hehe
18:09 < tsa> hehehe
18:09 < hackbard> rxr: if i execute scripts/Config in ur tre, i ll get: unknown returncode: 0
18:10 < rxr> oh mayby ther is a config binary in src
18:10 < rxr> could you wipe this dir ?
18:10 < hackbard> rxr: ur right rockdialog.bin
18:10 < hackbard> wipe?
18:11 < rxr> rm -rf
18:11 < hackbard> i ll just delete it :)
18:11 < hackbard> okie 
18:14 * rxr whining because of all my typos I producde during hacking on to boxes at the same time ...
18:20 < rxr> huebi: easn't there a much tinier and simpler "X-Proxy" for the framebuffer?
18:20 < huebi> rxr: I don't know
18:21 < rxr> huebi: You once posted a URL here - was it the XDirectFB XServer, or another one?
18:21 < huebi> No, i didn't
18:21 < rxr> No? Hm. *wunder*
18:23 * capchaos installing java on rock *hmpf*
18:23 < huebi> capchaos: Which version?
18:23 < capchaos> 1.4.x
18:24 * capchaos testing 
18:24 < huebi> capchaos: java -v?
18:24 < capchaos> i'll compile s.th. first
18:25 < capchaos> hope it works
18:25 < huebi> ah ok
18:26 < capchaos> i had to ln -s to an older version of libstdc
18:26 < capchaos> libstdc++
18:26 < capchaos> ln -s /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2
18:26 < huebi> ;-) jes thats normal. 
18:26 < huebi> The Jave stuff is not as uptodate than rock
18:26 < capchaos> ;0> unfortunately
18:27 < huebi> redhat is there preferred.
18:27 < huebi> for development
18:27 < capchaos> why redhat?
18:27 < capchaos> hm
18:27 < huebi> RH is the most used disdtr. in USA
18:28 < capchaos> the most boring, too
18:28 < huebi> redhat is there preferred for development of java
18:29 < huebi> capchaos: On servers it's quite good. better than SuXe. And you can buy support!
18:29 < capchaos> does SuSE not sell support?
18:30 < capchaos> all i know of redhat is that it crashed on my old duron, hence i never used it again
18:31 < capchaos> (while installing!)
18:31 < huebi> use SuXe for a big environment and you will start to love Rotkaeppchen. Ask tsa more about that.
18:32 < capchaos> HEH
18:32 < capchaos> heh
18:32 < huebi> I and my customers prefer rocklinux!
18:32 < capchaos> which version of rocklinux ?
18:33 < huebi> 1.5.14_2002-05-18_14h35 <- That one in the moment. ;-))
18:33 < tsa> hehe.
18:33 < capchaos> :)
18:34 < tsa> huebi: RH sucks, too. i'd love to use rock, but i can't change the decision of the management...at least in the moment ;)
18:34 < huebi> and on tuesday we prefer 1.5.15. Then with Sparc64 support I hope.
18:34 < tsa> hehe
18:35 < huebi> tsa: Can you manage a HA-Cluster for  a rocklinux demo for your bosses?
18:36 < tsa> huebi: currently not.
18:37 < rxr> ARRRGHHHHH
18:37 < rxr> now the CrossCC building worked (after rm -rf all allready build stuff)
18:37 < huebi> HA is simply and really impressing, if you kill a box and everything still works _without_ something stoping. They will start to dream and want to have there dreams come true. These dreams depend on rock!
18:37 < rxr> stupid shit
18:37 < rxr> (sorry ...)
18:38 < tsa> haha
18:38 < tsa> huebi: we already have some HA's running with RH
18:39 < huebi> tsa: let it crsh! hehe
18:39 < huebi> +a
18:39 < tsa> hehe
18:39 < tsa> not this weekend - i have "bereitschaftsdienst" ..
18:39 < huebi> or build a special RH-worm.
18:40 < tsa> hehe
18:40 < huebi> * tsa a now gets 50 EUR per hour for chatting... ;-)
18:40 < tsa> if [ -f /etc/redhat-release ]; rm -rf / ;fi
18:40 < rxr> tsa: was there ever s.th. needed during "Breitschaftsdienst" ?
18:40 < tsa> rxr: 1 or 2 times..
18:41 < tsa> nothing really big..
18:41 < tsa> but it's nice to get paid just for carrying your mobile phone with you..
18:41 < tsa> (which i would do, anyway)
18:42 < rxr> ic
18:42 < rxr> I need s UltraSparc III with 2Ghz and 10MB cache ;_)
18:42 < rxr> and of couse a U160 SCSI adapter
18:42 < huebi> I need s UltraSparc C with 200Ghz and 10GB cache
18:42 < tsa> one time i got an alert because the air condition in the server room broke.
18:43 < rxr> tsa: hehe ;-)
18:43 < tsa> the other time it was a customer gettign his site defaced because he used an unsecure perl cgi..
18:43 < huebi> hehe
18:44 < tsa> many customers don'T want to pay mones to get cgi's programmed by us, but take them from one of the various "webmaster" sites..
18:44 < tsa> s,mones,money,
18:45 < huebi> <- WEBMEISTER (in gothic letters) hehe
18:46 < tsa> actually, at least this customer gave us the order the following day ;-)
18:46 < tsa> hehe
18:47 < rxr> tsa: maybe your company should search security holes in the hosted web-sites to get more cgi jobs ;-) *lol*
18:47 < huebi> tsa: Power your bussiness!!
18:47 < huebi> tsa: <- best security tester...
18:48 < huebi> tsa: <- best security hole finder ;-))
18:48 < tsa> and deface our customer's sites? ;-)
18:48 < tsa> http://www.computergear.com/webtshir.html
18:48 < tsa> ah.
18:48 < huebi> tsa: I never said that. (I don't tell you that I think ;-)
18:48 < tsa> LOL
18:48 < huebi> s/that/what/
18:49 < tsa> nice shirt.
18:49 < tsa> ..but ordering from the us is pretty expensive..
18:50 < huebi> ugly font!
18:50 < huebi> Better making it myself
18:50 < tsa> ack. will be a lot cheaper, too..
18:51 < huebi> must be Webmeister not webmeister
18:53 * huebi needs to visit a t-Shirt shop...
18:56 < tsa> hehe
18:56 < tsa> ok, off to a friend's birthday party. i'm gone.
18:56 < tsa> cu later.
18:56 < huebi> cu tsa 
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19:01 < rxr> the next boo i invest in, will be book about the gcc internals ans general sructure ... ;-)
19:02 < huebi> rxr: I got one in 1999. but now i could use it for M$ visual C++
19:03 < huebi> really outdated
19:03 < rxr> ? what do you "M$ visual C++" ????
19:04 < huebi> I mean The book is so old, that it is not suitable anymore for gcc
19:07 < huebi> I just updated ghostscript.conf. It should work now with Sparc64
19:07 < rxr> huebi: I do not mean a C or C++ book. I mean a hacking gcc book ;-)
19:07 < rxr> or Inside GCC ;-)
19:07 < huebi> I did understood before.
19:08 < rxr> what did you chnaged for ghostscript ?
19:09 < huebi> libpng-1.2.1 to libpng-1.2.2
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19:11 < rxr> YEAH!
19:11 < netcrow> hi
19:12 < huebi> ni netcrow 
19:12 < rxr> glibc-2.2.5 got cross build ;-) for sparc64 on my Athlon ;_)))) *freu*
19:12 < rxr> hopefully all the rest, too ;-)
19:12 < huebi> rxr: klasse!
19:12 < netcrow> is esden schon in polen?
19:13 < huebi> netcrow: jo!
19:13 < huebi> das war vorhin im Fernsehen. Noch schlimmer als Erfurt.
19:14 < netcrow> wenn er mal hier sein sollte, sagt ihm er soll mir zigaretten und schnaps mitbringen 
19:14 < huebi> esden hat sich zu tode gelangweilt ;-))
19:14 < huebi> netcrow: Das ist schmuggel !
19:14 < huebi> netcrow: Gerne sag ich ihm ;-)
19:16 < rxr> hey - rauchen ist aber nicht gesund ...
19:16 < rxr> yeah binutils finished ...
19:17 < huebi> rxr: Volkswirtschaftlich aber sehr effektiv. Die Leute sterben gleich wenn sie in Rente gehen. Ist so viel billiger.
19:17 < hackbard> rxr: is there a special option to rsync if i just want to have ur changes?
19:17 < rxr> argh gcc3 failed ...
19:17 < hackbard> okay, i ll ait ..
19:17 < hackbard> *g
19:17 < netcrow> huebi: ich zahl eh mal deine rente
19:18 < rxr> hackbard: rsync is esically designed to only transfer the changeds - even for binary files ...
19:18 * huebi hat nach 13 Jahren mit dem rauchen aufgehoert. Damit netcrow auch noch was zu schuften hat ;-)))
19:19 < rxr> huebi: jups und Volkswirtschaftlich ist es auch ganz nett das die bei der selbstzerstoerung auch noch saftig steuern zahlen ...
19:19 < huebi>  hehe
19:20 < huebi> 30% Alkoholiker in grossen Indistriebetrieben ist trotzdem sehr unangenehm.
19:20 < rxr> :-(
19:22 < huebi> <- hat noch 50g Schwarzen van Nelle fuer 3,50 DM gekauft.
19:23 < huebi> jetzt kosten 40g bestimmt schon 3 EUR
19:28 < rxr> huebi: erhm. aha ...
19:30 < netcrow> ./topic tabakverkauf zu preisen wie vor 30 jahren
19:32 < rxr> ah gcc's Makefile.* seems to have some bugs for crossbuilds ..
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19:40 < huebi> ./topic tabakverkauf zu preisen wie vor 30 jahren <- 1 Schachtel mit 23 Zigarretten 1,50 DM ;>>
19:40 < capchaos> fnord!
19:41 < huebi> capchaos: hae?
19:41 < capchaos> 23 <- fnord!
19:42 < capchaos> schon ok..
19:47 < huebi> == 19:18:32 05/18/02 =[3]=> Finished building package ghostscript.
19:47 < huebi> on sparc
19:48 < rxr> huebi: where are the sparc specifc patches in 1.5? I have not found them in CVS ...
19:49 < huebi> there are still no $arch specific patches.
19:49 < rxr> and where did armjins patches go to ?
19:49 < huebi> in that cvs
19:50 < huebi> I make a new changelog
19:53 < huebi> http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/ChangeLog
19:56 < huebi> http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/ChangeLog <- new snapshot
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20:07 < rxr> oh my - we need more comments in the build and .conf scripts ...
20:10 < rxr> hm by disabling some of Cliffs hacks in the gcc2.conf of gcc-3.1 makes more progress ;-)
20:11 < huebi> rxr: Exact, that's the reason for the slow progress in 1.5 to 1.6
20:11 < rxr> ;-)
20:12 < rxr> I dRock some scripts/* files have also much more comments
20:12 < rxr> sometimes I debugged even the flist filtering which had bugs in the original 1.3.X release where I started my own tree ...
20:12 < huebi> rxr: I don't understand my own scipts after latest 3 week any more, if i don't comment them.
20:14 < rxr> huebi: yes. Especially the more cryptic sed and bash hacks need a comment. Not every line but s.th. like: Here the old filelist gets merged in and valided. 
20:14 < huebi> rxr: Yes.
20:14 < rxr> is enough for say the next 10 bash and sed hacks ;-)
20:14 < rxr> and also in the .conf files of packages a tiny comment why modificatins or tricks are done would be nice ;-)
20:15 < rxr> like disabled because of bugs in the gcc Makefiles ...
20:15 < rxr> oh gcc-3.1 cross build still runnin ;-)
20:15 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux
20:15 < rxr> hi Mike1 
20:15 < Mike1> hi all
20:15 < Mike1> rxr :)
20:15 < huebi> hi Miguel
20:15 < huebi> ;-)
20:16 < huebi> http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/files/OpenOffice_build <- That's my style of commentation..
20:16 < Mike1> guys i am testing something on my mail server could please send mail to travel@costarica.net with the subject test
20:17 < huebi> Mike1: 5 rare out now.
20:17 < Mike1> huebi nice comments :)
20:18 < huebi> Mike1: Thank you! So you can immediatety understand what I thought.
20:18 < huebi> ?
20:18 < rxr> Mike1: out
20:18 < Mike1> huebi rxr thanks :)
20:19 < huebi> Mike1: another 5 from an other address
20:19 < Mike1> huebi great :D
20:32 < rxr> Mike1: did you managed to get XFree running on your U5 ?
20:38 * rxr now compiles a mips cross compiler - just for fun ...
20:44 -!- davL [lexen@dyn-212-83-177-143.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #rocklinux
20:53 < rxr> hackbard: what is your U5 doing ?
20:54 < capchaos> http://www.lustmoebeldesign.de/ <= lol
20:54 < hackbard> rxr: compiling normal 1.7 with tarhet sparc, and i started cross Build-Target with ur tree
20:55 < hackbard> but a lot failed
20:55 < hackbard> i wanted to rsync again in a few minuites
20:55 < rxr> hackbard: there is no new stuff to rsync ...
20:56 < rxr> this is also not from my hard-disk - but the web-server. I manually sync to this web-server when I have s.th. new (liek Cliff does). Not every single file modification ...
20:56 < hackbard> yes, but havent there been changes since i fetched it?
20:57 < rxr> hackbard: I did many test - but none was that productive ...
20:57 < hackbard> oh i see
20:59 < rxr> maybe in an hour you can get new stuff
20:59 < hackbard> i also build mplayer and grab and want to try watching dboxstream
20:59 < hackbard> okay
20:59 * huebi started a backup of 160GB ....
20:59 < huebi> I want to have adlt changer.
20:59 < rxr> hackbard: dboxstream ?
20:59 < hackbard> maybe i could also try just building ur sparc64 target without cross option
21:00 < hackbard> dbox2 von premiere
21:00 * hackbard food, brb
21:00 < rxr> hackbard: this will not work - because your compiler is not able to handle 64bit CPU instructions ...
21:02 < Mike1> hi Frank
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21:03 < Mike1> rxr sort off you may use cfree 4.2 to make it work properly
21:03 < Mike1> you will earn a lot of hours of missing sleep and headaches cy using it in stead of 4.1
21:03 < Mike1> or lower
21:04 < rxr> Mike1: I know - but even 4.2 crashes my box ...
21:04 < rxr> Mike1: does it work 4u ?
21:05 < Mike1> i made it work at a friends U5 last night
21:05 < rxr> Hm.
21:05 < Mike1> i could i coudnt make it work on mine
21:06 < Mike1> because it is now working as a mail server remember?
21:06 < Mike1> :(
21:06 < Mike1> rxr what video card you got on the box?
21:07 < rxr> a ATI-64 like yours had ...
21:07 < Mike1> yes exaclty the same i had 
21:07 < rxr> and what is in your friends' box ?
21:07 < Mike1> well 4.1 wont work for sure
21:08 < rxr> I already compiled 4.2 ... - still crashes ...
21:08 < Mike1> same one
21:08 < rxr> hm
21:08 < Mike1> he is running sure on it :(
21:08 < Mike1> suse*
21:08 < rxr> Mike1: did you used the frame-buffer driver or the ati one ?
21:08 < Mike1> ati
21:14 < rxr> hackbard: I'll stop sparc64 for now.
21:14 < rxr> hackbard: I now again try to build sparc, too. 
21:20 < rxr> I hope might Athlon doesn't get confused by building cross compiler for other arches all the time ...
21:21 < rxr> s/might/my/
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21:27 < thalerim> hello
21:28 < rxr> thalerim: hi
21:34 < thalerim> hallo rxr :-P
21:40 < hackbard> re
21:41 < hackbard> hi miguel
21:41 < hackbard> hi thalerim
21:42 < thalerim> mehr als begrüßung kommt hier auch net zustande ;-P
21:42 < thalerim> hi hackbard :-D
21:42 < hackbard> rxr: there is egcs64 on jans iso
21:42 < rxr> hackbard: yes
21:43 < hackbard> rxr: and Build-Cros.. just builds a gcc2.95
21:45 < hackbard> but there is one thing i dont understand. armijn once told me that one uses 32bit compiled stuff on userland and only the kernel is 64bit
21:47 -!- ripclaw [~ripclaw@pD95228F8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:47 < ripclaw> hi
21:47 < hackbard> hi ripclaw!
21:48 < hackbard> we still dont have ur ccount number :)
21:48 < ripclaw> hackbard - that should have been on the lower part of the invoice.
21:48 < hackbard> just that ID, but no account number and bank code
21:48 < ripclaw> lowest line: KTO BLZ
21:49 < hackbard> no, not on my print
21:49 < ripclaw> damn.
21:49 < ripclaw> ok, i`ll look up your phone and call you with that info.
21:49 < hackbard> okay, or just email, how you like
21:50 < hackbard> thanks again btw!
21:50 < ripclaw> ok, cant seem to find the number right now. will just mail.
21:50 < ripclaw> no prob.
21:50 < hackbard> oh, gcc3 just aborted in stage 1 
21:50 < rxr> hackbard: Build-CrossCC -gcc3 does the trick ...
21:50 < ripclaw> btw, your mail addy was ?
21:50 < hackbard> hackbard@hackdaworld.dyndns.org
21:51 < ripclaw> rxr - did you get the KTO and BLZ on your invoice ?
21:51 < rxr> ripclaw: no - sorry. Feel free to Cc the mail to me ;-)
21:52 < hackbard> rxr: ah! .. can't you implement that into Build-Target, so it calls Build-Cross wth that option id sparc64 is specified?
21:52 < hackbard> s/id/if/
21:53 < ripclaw> rxr - rene.rebe@gmx.net ?
21:53 < ripclaw> damnit, 1.5.14 bug: didn`t install passwd.
21:54 -!- black_jade [~cwinters@pcp159591pcs.mtlrel01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:55 < black_jade> hello all, i wanted to switch from redhat to a source distro, and i am doing a little
21:56 < black_jade> investigating to see which source distro would best fit my needs.
21:57 < black_jade> i installed freebsd at work, and i really liked the way pkgs are managed
21:57 < black_jade> i was looking for a source distro for linux which does about the same thing.
21:57 < thalerim> heh :-D
21:57 < black_jade> hey
21:57 < huebi> re
21:59 < black_jade> i'd like to hear what all the rocklinux advocates have to say
21:59 < ripclaw> hi huebi
22:00 < thalerim> black_jade: what do you want to hear ?
22:00 < Mike1> cu
22:00 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit ("[BX] We are BitchX of Borg. You will be assimilated. Using ircII is futile.")
22:00 < black_jade> why i should choose rocklinux over another distro
22:00 < black_jade> just some ideas maybe
22:00 -!- ringo_ [~ringo@co116627-a.almel1.ov.nl.home.com] has joined #rocklinux
22:00 < huebi> hi ringo_ 
22:01 < huebi> hi ripclaw 
22:01 < ringo_> hI all
22:02 < thalerim> black_jade: let me think about
22:02 < ripclaw> huebi - had a problem installing 1.5.14 20020504 - was not able to set passwd in setup.d/00* - /etc/passwwd was missing.
22:02 < black_jade> thanks
22:03 < huebi> ripclaw: Did you fix it?
22:03 < thalerim> black_jade: easy but impressive pkg-managing-system
22:03 < black_jade> i know gentoo is probably not the way to go since thalerim said something about pico(eew)
22:04 < ripclaw> no, it just appeared 2 minutes ago. have a idea ?
22:04 < thalerim> using just shellscripts.. so you may be able to fix thing yourself
22:04 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@p5082A9CF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:04 < black_jade> when you go to install/upgrade do you download from the package owners site, or a special rocklinux site?
22:04 < holyolli> moin
22:05 < thalerim> black_jade: owners' ones
22:05 < black_jade> those are specified in the shell scripts so i would assume that you can change where you get the sources from
22:06 < huebi> black_jade: It's _the_ admin friendly distribution (-built kit). Very secure! You have to enable every service yourself and by hand. No GUI-tools for administration are doing nasty things you don't want and need.
22:06 < rxr> hackbard: We might impreve Build-CrossCC to build the compiler secelcted in the config ...
22:06 < thalerim> black_jade: not in shellscripts
22:06 < black_jade> no damn rpms to hide configuration files from you, NICE
22:06 < thalerim> in ascii files that are parsed from the shellscripts
22:07 < black_jade> sounds pretty good.
22:07 < black_jade> now, if i already have a RH installation, what is the best way to install rocklinux
22:07 < black_jade> wipeout the hd and start over?
22:07 < ripclaw> black_jade: rock linux is very portable, home on on a lot of arch`s, all served with the same config source tree. its stable or devel as you like, its source-build with just about three commands.
22:08 < ripclaw> black_jade: backup user data you need, and wipe it.
22:08 < ripclaw> black_jade: thats what i do.
22:08 < black_jade> ripclaw:  that's 3 commands is nice.
22:08 < ripclaw> black_jade: if you got something complicated XF86Config, safe it.
22:09 < huebi> black_jade: ripclaw tells stories!
22:09 < thalerim> black_jade: you have to build rocklinux within your Redhat.. 
22:09 < black_jade> really
22:09 < thalerim> or download an ISO
22:10 < huebi> # commands only works if you have a mirror with _all_ sources avaliable.
22:10 < black_jade> or buy a disk from cheapbytes
22:10 < ripclaw> black_jade - huebi: if you have something as complicated as I :-) just makes it easier.
22:10 < huebi> s/#/3/
22:10 < huebi> ripclaw: ???
22:11 < ripclaw> black_jade - huebi: the multiscreen thing i have currently at fermentor, with 3 screens and two ugly grafics cards on a 486... 
22:11 < black_jade> ok, so on initial install from iso, i'll have a working system, then update through sources?
22:12 < thalerim> yups
22:12 < black_jade> cool
22:13 < thalerim> but updating is some of the things ROCKlinux has to be improved
22:13 < ripclaw> black_jade: if you install from iso, you have a working base. you may want to build/install more packages. if you later update, my usual way of doing so is to keep home on a seperate partition, backup etc and then re-install. if you do it often, its good to script it.
22:13 < ripclaw> black_jade: but ppl think i am crazee anyway :-)
22:14 < black_jade> ripclaw:  always on the bleeding edge huh ;)
22:14 < ripclaw> huebi: the 1.5.14 image came up "no root screeming" on default... *shrug*
22:14 < huebi> flood:
22:14 < huebi>  
22:14 < huebi> root@rock:/rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs# ls *err
22:14 < huebi> 2-sparc-utils.err  3-apmd.err     3-mtools.err   3-sparc-utils.err
22:14 < huebi> 3-alsa.err         3-modules.err  3-sawfish.err  3-xscreensaver.err
22:14 < huebi>  
22:14 < ripclaw> black_jade: no - just port maintainer.
22:14 < ripclaw> huebi - can i see the sparcutils errs `
22:14 < huebi> ripclaw: Did you fix it in cvs? Why not?
22:15 < ripclaw> huebi fix what ?
22:15 < huebi> 22:14 < ripclaw> huebi: the 1.5.14 image came up "no root screeming" on default... *shrug*
22:15 < ripclaw> huebi no i *just now* booted.
22:15 < ripclaw> i gotta diag first.
22:15 < ripclaw> if you have an idea, you might be faster.
22:16 < huebi> ripclaw: you did something wrong or have broken hardware.
22:16 < ripclaw> or help me find it.
22:16 < ripclaw> huebi: this is the hardware i used last month, too.
22:16 < huebi> ripclaw: still broken?
22:16 < ripclaw> it worked fine last week.
22:16 < ripclaw> and it did install default
22:17 < huebi> 1.5.14 is bullet proof!
22:18 < huebi> I earn much money with it.
22:18 < ripclaw> huebi - i know, but something went wrong in that particular install. only diff is
22:18 < black_jade> for someone just switching to rocklinux, which version should i get
22:18 < black_jade> in other words, how stable is 1.5*
22:18 < thalerim> stable
22:18 < ripclaw> that i used a different cdrom last week - i assume i got a bad snapshot image.
22:18 < thalerim> it's stable
22:18 < huebi> black_jade: 1.5.15. It's comming out on monday
22:18 < ripclaw> black_jade: very stable.
22:19 < black_jade> a lot of fixes in 1.5.15?
22:19 < huebi> The master server was offline for a few weeks. there is only one outdated iso
22:21 < black_jade> i would assume that there are no iso images for 1.5.*
22:21 < huebi> http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/ <- all about 1.5 - 1.6 in the moment. Also quite outdated. But have a look at the ChangeLog - http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/ChangeLog
22:21 < ripclaw> huebi: on the cdrom we burnt last week (?), there are differences to the same 20020504 image we burnt a few weeks earlier. you might want to check the iso image on your machine or rebuild it.
22:21 < huebi> ftp://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.13/rock-intel-i586-base+opt-1.5.13_2002-04-04_21h08.iso
22:21 < ripclaw> huebi: or i had a wrong image that day.
22:22 < huebi> black_jade: It's outdated! with old OpenSSH
22:23 < huebi> There is only one broken package in the last snapshot.
22:24 < huebi> ripclaw: come and get a new one ;-))
22:25 < huebi> black_jade: ftp://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.13/rock-intel-i586-base+opt-1.5.13_2002-04-04_21h08.iso <- Thats an old iso.
22:25 < ripclaw> huebi: i`ll check for the older image, and rebuild.
22:25 < ripclaw> huebi: i just noticed that a _lot_ more failed due to some reason on here.
22:26 < huebi> black_jade: On tuesday, not on monday I upload the new one.
22:26 < huebi> ripclaw: _lot_ ??
22:26 < rxr> ripclaw: which bank is this?, since it normally has also to be writen in letters onto the Ueberweisung ...
22:26 < black_jade> huebi: ok, i'll grab it tuesday.
22:27 < black_jade> any caveats with installation?
22:27 < huebi> It will be there at about 10:00 GMT
22:27 < ripclaw> huebi: yes - for some reason i cannot even chroot in here after booting, without having to manually add the devices. seomthing broke
22:27 < ripclaw> black_jade: its just ascii install :-
22:27 < thalerim> black_jade: yes. do a backup
22:28 < ripclaw> black_jade: but you can install via serial terminal !
22:28 < black_jade> i already have a separate /home partition
22:28 < thalerim> makin partitions, turning on swaps, mounting partitions... everything you've to do by hand
22:28 < ripclaw> black_jade: then you should have no problems.
22:29 < thalerim> but it should not that hard to handle it
22:29 < huebi> black_jade: I wrote an installation howto in german three days ago: http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/howtos/Rocklinux_installation_de.html
22:29 < black_jade> i always get nervous even doing a RH clean install, so this should be nice and nerve wracking
22:29 < huebi> black_jade: can you read german?
22:29 < black_jade> no
22:29 < huebi> hmm
22:30 < black_jade> i speak a little latin though, will that help :-)
22:30 < ripclaw> black_jade: clean rock installs are easy.
22:30 < ripclaw> rxr hackbard - its Raiffeisenbank noerdl. Bergstrasse eG
22:30 < thalerim> non quia difficultum est, non audemus.. quia non audemus, difficultum est.
22:30 < huebi> black_jade: moment. I copy the English install Guide
22:31 < hackbard> rxr: but you will send a mail too, okay?
22:31 < hackbard> err
22:31 < hackbard> ripclaw, sorry
22:31 < hackbard> :)
22:31 < huebi> black_jade: http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/howtos/INSTALL
22:32 < black_jade> tnx
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22:32 < hackbard> off to the cinema, see ya all later
22:32 < black_jade> what's the root on audemus
22:32 -!- hackbard is now known as hack^afk
22:33 < black_jade> audens, bold?
22:33 < huebi> black_jade: The INSTALL Guide is sufficient if you have some good knowledge of Linux in general.
22:33 < huebi> cu hack^afk 
22:34 < black_jade> yeah, it doesnt' look that bad.
22:34 < thalerim> black_jade: you mean audere ?
22:34 < ripclaw> huebi: can you access etc/silo.conf on your sparc ?
22:35 < thalerim> audere == venture, risk
22:35 < ripclaw> i check where hackbards machine makes the error.
22:35 < black_jade> ty
22:35 < huebi> ripclaw: /join #AOL
22:35 < thalerim> black_jade: transled: No because it's difficult, we don't venture it, but because we don't venture it, it's difficult
22:36 < thalerim> s/no/not
22:37 < black_jade> nice
22:37 < thalerim> yup :-)
22:37 < thalerim> i do just say: ho chresim' eidos uch ho poll' eidos sophos
22:37 < thalerim> but that's old greek ;-)
22:39 < thalerim> not the one knowing much, but the one knowing the necessary is wisely
22:39 < thalerim> -ly
22:40 < black_jade> rocklinux has a lot of packages
22:40 < black_jade> i haven't seen too many distros with gprolog in them
22:40 < huebi> 274 in the moment
22:40 < huebi> black_jade: It's easy to build you own extension package.
22:41 < thalerim> black_jade: it's a distro where users are wanted to take part
22:41 < huebi> so many peplo commit their own stuff
22:41 < black_jade> cool
22:41 < black_jade> i don't see enlightenment in the list
22:42 < black_jade> how difficult is it to create an extension package
22:42 < rxr> black_jade: enlightenment is in the 1.7 tree ...
22:42 < rxr> black_jade: it really easy to create a new package ;-)
22:42 < thalerim> okay then, i am off
22:43 < black_jade> later
22:43 * thalerim wishes the best and says goodbye
22:43 < black_jade> so if 1.5 is the development release, what is 1.7?
22:43 < thalerim> bloody development tree
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22:44 < huebi> black_jade: 1.7 is the next development release.
22:45 < ripclaw> huebi: i have an error in silo.conf. did you already add the patch ?
22:46 < ripclaw> in silo "append ´root=´" does not work. use "root=".
22:46 < huebi> 1.5 is the predicisor(?) of 1.6. 1.6 will be released in the next time but there is still much work to be done to get Sparc64 PPC and Alpha running
22:47 < huebi> ripclaw: Which _testet_ patch?
22:47 < ripclaw> huebi: you`ll get the patch in the next 10 mins. its tested now.
22:49 < huebi> ripclaw: Upload it there, please: ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/upload
22:51 < black_jade> thanks folks.  g2g, but i'll be back next week i'm sure with some questions.
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22:51 < ripclaw> huebi: yes
22:57 < ripclaw> huebi: see AOL channel, pls.
23:07 < ripclaw> huebi: can you mail me the sparc32.c source you use, or tell me the check out date ?
23:07 < huebi> ripclaw: webcvs
23:08 < ripclaw> huebi: sparc32 is not checked into the cvs, its downloaded, isn`t it ?
23:10 < huebi> http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/~checkout~/rock-1.5/base-config/sparc-utils/sparc-utils.pz?rev=1.3&content-type=text/plain
23:13 < ripclaw> huebi - i looked at that, its downloaded from someplace in debian.nl, and this is a patched tarball with unknown source. i`ve downloaded it and will try to find out the problem.
23:13 < huebi> http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/sparc-utils/
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23:22 < ripclaw> huebi: sparc32 cannot build, the source is not there.
23:23 < huebi> ripclaw: find it, please
23:24 < ripclaw> huebi: you obviously use a different tarball than what i can get. - yours has problems with a "long" declaration in sparc32.c, while the one downloadable has no such file at all.
23:24 < ripclaw> will check at splack.
23:24 < ripclaw> huebi: did the silo patch make any troubles ?
23:24 < ripclaw> (yet)
23:24 < huebi> http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/sparc-utils/ <- ripclaw LOOK AT THIS!!!!
23:25 < ripclaw> huebi: i looked at it - I DID.
23:25 < huebi> ok
23:25 < huebi> n8
23:25 < ripclaw> huebi: the package downloaded in pz is false.
23:25 < ripclaw> n8
23:27 < huebi> re
23:28 < huebi> ripclaw: upload a patch and don't bother me with tings not working!
23:29 < ripclaw> ok, is clifford the maintainer or armijn ?
23:29 < huebi> ripclaw: Write a mail to clifford
23:29 < ripclaw> ok.
23:29 < huebi> ripclaw: ask him
23:30 < ripclaw> the source tarball it downloads is missing sparc32.c
23:30 < ripclaw> i`ll cc you.
23:30 < huebi> No! no cc  to me!
23:30 < ripclaw> ok
23:31 < huebi> ripclaw: find the missing sparc32.c
23:32 < ripclaw> huebi: i know where to get it - cvs vger - it just eludes me, why its not in there, and yet you can report build errors. continue working on it tomorrow. mailing cliff+armijn
23:33 < huebi> ripclaw: ???
23:33 < ripclaw> yes
23:34 < huebi> I don't understandt what you want to say. as in 80% of your mails
23:34 < ripclaw> huebi: i will write a complete fix for it, but your build-err contained a sparc32.c error where there cannot be any sparc32.c you downloaded if it builds from scratch.
23:35 < huebi> Again not understandable 
23:35 < ripclaw> in the channel at #AOL you copied cat /rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs/3-sparc-utils.err - right ?
23:35 < huebi> Why?
23:35 < ripclaw> there was a error from a sparc32.c - which cannot have moved to your disk from nowhere.
23:36 < huebi> can not be.
23:36 < ripclaw> but the current version of the files does not include _ANY_ reference to the sparc32.c and its not in the tarball.
23:36 < ripclaw> so someone took it out of there after you downloaded.
23:36 < huebi> What?
23:37 < huebi> which file 
23:37 < huebi> why
23:37 < huebi> who did what?
23:37 < ringo_> log
23:38 < ripclaw> the file disappeared from the tarball referenced for download in sparc-utils.PZ - http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/sparc-utils/
23:38 < ripclaw> sparc-utils/sparc-utils_1.9.orig.tar.gz
23:38 < huebi> ripclaw: Just upload a fully documented and testet patch.
23:38 < ripclaw> and this tarball contains no sparc32.
23:38 < ripclaw> said i`ll do that 2morrow.
23:38 < huebi> which tarball?
23:39 < huebi> url?
23:39 < ripclaw> http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/sparc-utils/sparc-utils_1.9.orig.tar.gz
23:39 < ripclaw> same url as above.
23:39 < huebi> and how do you fix that?
23:40 < huebi> there is no url "as above"
23:40 < ripclaw> either include it in the tarball (which i cannot) or add a line to the pz file doing a cvs checkout of the sparc32 source at VGER
23:40 < huebi> cvs co? how?
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23:41 < huebi> where?
23:41 < huebi> hi bluefire 
23:41 < ripclaw> second, finding the CVS checkout url.
23:41 < huebi> ripclaw: Are you still here?
23:42 < huebi> Did I missed first?
23:44 < ripclaw> cvs://vger.kernel.org afaik. you can also get a recent sparc32 from:
23:45 < ripclaw> ftp://ftp.eunet.be/pub/linux/Splack/splack-current/source/a/sparcutils/sparc32-1.1.tar.gz
23:45 < ripclaw> anyway, got to go, more tomorrow. have a good night, everyone.
23:46 < huebi> cvs://vger.kernel.org <- does not work
23:46 < rxr> juche
23:46 < rxr> the latest binutils do not segfault during gcc-2.1 compilation anymore ;-)
23:47 < huebi> rxr: kool
23:47 < huebi> ;-)
23:47 < rxr> huebi: now they yield a usefull error message ;-) ...
23:47 -!- ripclaw [~ripclaw@pD95228F8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("for no reason")
23:47 < rxr> but maybe they are able to link it after a make clean ;-)
23:48 < bluefire> Hi folks
23:48 < bluefire> hi ripclaw
23:48 < bluefire> Oh... gone already.
23:49 < huebi> ripclaw is immer so anstrengend. Bis der endlich mal was greifbares gesagt hat, das man dann verwenden kann.
23:50 < rxr> huebi: what are the sprac-utils used for ?
23:51 < huebi> I had no closer look. but it must be something with OBP
23:51 < rxr> ah - there was no READme in the .tar but some files named eeprom and so on ...
23:52 < huebi> rxr: yes, thats it
23:54 < rxr> the new c't is funny - take a look how easy you can cheat the biomertic-auth. systems ;-) *g*
23:57 < rxr> hm gcc still compilint - thats good ;-)
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