--- Log opened Tue May 21 00:00:12 2002
--- Day changed Tue May 21 2002
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00:05 < h0h0> Whats a fancey german/dutch word that you can tack on infront of someones name?
00:11 < rxr> h0h0: ?
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00:26 -!- d3m is now known as d3m_
00:27 < rxr> He later acknowledged that some Microsoft code was so flawed it could not be safely disclosed.
00:27 < rxr> *lol****
00:27 < d3m_> hehe
00:28 < tsa> hehe
00:28 < rxr> http://slashdot.org/articles/02/05/20/2124248.shtml?tid=109
00:28 < freed> gn8 @ll
00:28 < rxr> cu freed 
00:28 < rxr> morgen GES ;-)
00:28 < d3m_> n8 freed 
00:28 < freed> bis heut nachmittag 
00:28 < rxr> er ja natuerlich heute ;-)
00:29 < h0h0> ?
00:29 < freed> axo hab kein tool gefunden, aber egal habe schon 4eckige augen
00:29 < rxr> h0h0: ?
00:29 < freed> n8
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00:30 < h0h0> like mister
00:30 < h0h0> or sir
00:30 < rxr> my u5 is again compiling glic dung - awfully sorry for this ... :-(
00:31 < d3m_> rxr: btw, how is working the U5 ?
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00:31 < rxr> The hardware really great - the open source GNU dung not that great ...
00:32 < rxr> h0h0: Herr
00:32 < d3mian> but, what OS da u have inside it?
00:32 < rxr> ROCK-1.5.12 ...
00:32 < d3mian> ok
00:32 < rxr> so borken that is not possible to run X ...
00:32 < d3mian> and is rock working fine ?
00:33 < rxr> the console stuff "works" - X doesn't
00:33 < d3mian> X ... it doesnt care to much
00:33 < d3mian> :)
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00:33 < rxr> and compiling new and clean progs is also very tricky ...
00:34 < d3mian> ic
00:34 < rxr> Currently maybe the 20th glibc build is running ...
00:34 < d3mian> already did u build rock inside it?
00:34 < rxr> I try the whole time ...
00:35 < d3mian> ok
00:38 * rxr now on the u5 ...
00:39 < rxr> to reduce the noise in my room ;-)
00:39 < h0h0> anything other than herr?
00:39 < rxr> puh
00:39 < d3mian> hehe, yes
00:40 < rxr> what do you need ?
00:41 < rxr> Koenig, Kanzler Minister Professor Ingeneur Grossmeister ...
00:41 < rxr> In letters normally: 
00:41 < rxr> Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, 
00:41 < rxr> bla bla bla
00:42 < rxr> the u5 needs some noise reduction ;-)
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00:43 < tsa> re clifford_
00:45 * tsa going to sleep
00:45 < tsa> cu tomorrow.
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00:51 < d3mian> culater
00:52 < rxr> cu
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01:58 < hack^afk> n8
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02:53 < d3mian> re
03:12 < rxr> hi
03:13 < rxr> oh 20 min lround trip for a hi *lol*
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03:18 < d3mian> hehe
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03:32 < rxr> the first time glibc compiles mostly - still pushing my thmbs that it will complete this time ...
03:34 < rxr> it is running since 00:15 - but i had to fix some things manually ...
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04:17 < d3mian> hi capchaos 
04:17 < capchaos> moin d3mian
04:17 < d3mian> 4am there?
04:18 < capchaos> yes
04:18 < capchaos> i guess my girlfriend hates me how :( 
04:18 < d3mian> what are u doing so late there?
04:18 < d3mian> ehh?
04:18 < capchaos> s/how/now
04:18 < d3mian> ehh?
04:18 < capchaos> reallife sucks so much!
04:21 < SMP> well as long as she's still you g/f ;)
04:21 < SMP> s,you,&r,
04:21 < capchaos> i hope so
04:22 < d3mian> these hackers boys never sleep ;)
04:26 < capchaos> sleep, some strange people practice it nighly, strange they are 
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04:53 < d3mian>  root 08:53pm ~# tar -xvzf strace_4.4-1.tar.gz -C /tmp/
04:53 < d3mian> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
04:53 < d3mian> tar: Child returned status 1
04:53 < d3mian> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
04:53 < d3mian>  root 08:53pm ~# 
04:54 < d3mian> why are u saying that capchaos ?
04:54 < capchaos> hum?
04:54 < d3mian> what was wrong?
04:55 < capchaos> my strace*.tar.bz2 was corrupt .. dunno why
04:56 < d3mian> ermm, maybe cauz the source file is not a correct targz file?, or why are u saying that?
04:57 < capchaos> maybe.. i'll d/l it again..
04:57 < d3mian> brb <-  changing lab
04:57 < capchaos> anyways, thanks :)
04:57 < capchaos> d3mian: lab ?
05:04 < d3mian> ermm, labotary, room of computers
05:05 < d3mian> laboratory
05:05 < capchaos> at home?
05:05 < d3mian> no, at the University
05:05 < d3mian> i would have a lab of computers at home !!
05:05 < capchaos> ah i see
05:06 < d3mian>    ^^ -> like
05:06 < capchaos> hehe why not?! ;)
05:06 < d3mian> not enough money :(
05:10 < d3mian> brb -> booting new kernel
05:10 * capchaos wants the urls to be updated automatically in dRock 1.6
05:10 < capchaos> yup d3mian
05:23 < rxr> hi
05:23 < d3mian> wb rene
05:23 < d3mian> as i said before, these hackers never sleep
05:23 < capchaos> moin rxr
05:24 < rxr> capchaos: moin?
05:25 < rxr> still fighting withe the Sun - and getting a clue from the stange source GNU people created ... :-(((
05:25 < rxr> this Sparc stuff is really a gib chaos ...
05:26 < rxr> capchaos: have you solved your strace prob ?
05:26 * capchaos whishes himself s.th. thats not a peecee
05:26 < d3mian> hehe
05:27 < capchaos> rxr: yes 
05:28 < capchaos> rxr: thx. the archive was corrupt, thats all
05:28 < capchaos> i'm too stupid today
05:29 < rxr> capchaos: I also wished s.th. that is not a x86 box - but digging through the chaos in the glinc makes me wish to do sth. different ... 
05:29 < d3mian> rxr: im not sure, but if a source tar.gz file is simply a tar file, the rock scripts will convert it to a bz2 without probs?
05:30 < SMP> how true ..
05:30 < SMP> that word about Linux running on such and such many architectures is a plain lie
05:31 < capchaos> d3mian: that was not the prob.. it the script downloaded freshmeats server-select-site in .tar.bz2 format (i was simply too dumb to recognize it)
05:32 < capchaos> this freshmeat thing annoys me
05:32 < d3mian> well, dunno, i aljo asked for info for me :)
05:32 < capchaos> eerm i mean sourceforge..
05:32 < d3mian> s/aljo/also
05:33 < rxr> SMP: it is not really a lie - the problem is that the toolchain (gcc and MOSTLY glib) is too chaotic ...
05:34 < rxr> and the glibc is far from easyly readable and fixable ...
05:34 < rxr> I even started to dig into src.rpm s oh my do this beasts suck ....
05:36 < SMP> rxr: sure, but try things like LVM or reiserfs on, say, Sparc64 or -uhm- MIPS
05:36 < d3mian> rxr: could u asnwer my question plz, im curious
05:36 < SMP> it's gonna crash horribly
05:36 < capchaos> http://www1.rocklinux.org/releases/ <= broken
05:37 < rxr> yes I noticed that reiserfs does not work on sun *(at lest the userspace tools ...)
05:37 < rxr> d3mian: no this will be a prob
05:38 < d3mian> ok thanx
05:38 < SMP> rxr: hehe, glibc src.rpms are usually from a very distant reality
05:38 < rxr> the file will be uncompressed first (IIRC) and so yield a compression error if it is only a .tar and not a .gz
05:39 < rxr> (hm or was there some other auto-detection ?!?)
05:39 < SMP> with the source tar having _tons_ of patches applied against the official version
05:39 < SMP> _plus_ there's even more patches seperately in the src.rpm
05:40 < rxr> SMP: And even more curious. Last week I saerched the latest version of the prelink package. Last one I found was 2001-09-xx or s.th. Todaz I found a 2002-03-xx one in the redhat glibc.src.rpm with a download location where only the old (non functional) 2001 version is lzing arround ...
05:40 < d3mian> rxr: yes, `file`
05:41 < SMP> when Clifford did the iMac port, he took the glibc src.rpm from which supposedly the present binary package was compiled ..
05:41 < rxr> d3mian: why do you need to know this ?
05:42 < SMP> turned out, there were syntax errors in the glibc sources and that package for sure _never_ compiled
05:42 < rxr> oh nice.
05:42 < d3mian> rxr: just interest, outpus of tar.gz and simple tar files (even with .tar.gz ext) are not the same
05:45 < rxr> SMP: I just run a diff between redhat glibc an the vanilla one ...
05:45 < SMP> hehe
05:45 < SMP> I did that, too
05:45 < SMP> some months ago
05:46 < SMP> -rw-r--r--    1 stefanp  users     2312969 Dez 25 14:31 RH-diff
05:47 < SMP> that's a 2.2 Megabytes big _joke_
05:49 * rxr wonders why redhat does use the linux-threds addonn ????
05:52 < rxr> SMP: bist du eigendlich schon, oder noch wach? ;-)
05:54 < SMP> noch
05:55 < SMP> I wished I wasn't
05:55 < SMP> er
05:55 * SMP hat letzte Nacht Star Wars Episode 2 auf Englisch gesehen ..
05:56 < SMP> da klappt das mit der Sprache noch nicht so ganz ;>
05:58 < rxr> SMP: im Kino oder von mpg avi ?
05:59 < rxr> ieeeeeek!
05:59 < rxr> thesun:/mnt/net/rene # l das-ist-ja-unglaublich.patch
05:59 < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 rene     users    21429021 May 21 05:59 das-ist-ja-unglaublich.patch
06:00 < rxr> ich fasse es nicht ....
06:00 < SMP> ich sag's ja ..
06:00 < SMP> Kino.
06:01 < SMP> gut, davon geht ein grosser Teil auf die CHANGELOG Verschiebungen
06:02 < rxr> und auf die zeichen tabellen von iconv irgendwas ...
06:02 * SMP ueberlegt was jetzt zu tun
06:03 < SMP> lange Schlafen, kurz Schlafen, gar nicht Schlafen ...
06:03 < capchaos> habt ihr nen link zu den 1.5.14 scripts parat ?
06:03 < capchaos> rocklinux.dyndns.org seems to be down :(
06:04 < rxr> SMP: also ich werde um 10 in der FH vorbei schauen ....
06:05 < rxr> capchaos: nee - sorry
06:05 * SMP schmeisst sich einfach mal so aufs Bett
06:05 < SMP> cu
06:05 < rxr> Wieso veranstalltet RedHat sonen Chaos bringt denen das was ?
06:05 < capchaos> gn8 SMP
06:06 < SMP> rxr: naja, das ist einfach ein CVS checkout von einem anderen Zeitpunkt
06:10 < rxr> mal warten wie das bei der 2.5.6 oder wie die naechste auch immer heisst ... aussieht
06:11 < rxr> aber wenn ne aeltere bei Cliff nicht mal kompilierte
06:22 * rxr building the next cross gcc ....
06:28 < rxr> gab es nen prog was die scancodes auf der console anzeigt ?
06:29 < rxr> ich muss hier mal dringend backspace auf ruechwaerts loeschen umdefinieren ...
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07:09 < huebi> Moep!
07:13 < rxr> huebi: moin!
07:14 < d3m|away> re huebi 
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07:16 < huebi> hi rxr 
07:16 < huebi> hi d3mian 
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07:38 < huebi> rxr: is there a backport of the new IDE stuff in 2.5 to 2.4?
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08:10 < huebi> cu later. off to work
08:11 < huebi> ;-)
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09:01 < rxr> huebi: vn not yet ...
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09:36 < tsa> moin.
09:42 < d3mian> guten morgen tsa 
09:43 < tsa> hi d3mian
10:43 -!- hackbard [~hackbard@pD9E0A9A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
10:43 < tsa> hi hackbard
10:43 < tsa> anyone interested in a vacation?
10:43 < tsa> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1352881188
10:43 < hackbard> Hi tsa
10:43 < hackbard> hi all
10:50 < huebi> re
10:50 < d3mian> hi huebi 
10:51 < huebi> hi d3mian 
10:51 < huebi> I hate HP-Hardware.
10:51 < tsa> hehe
10:51 < tsa> hi huebi
10:51 < huebi> 4 broken disks in 2 months in one box
10:51 < huebi> hi tsa 
10:55 < tsa> hm....bad disks?
10:58 < huebi> tsa: exact! These fucked up junk disks with 3000 and more errors.
10:58 < tsa> uh..
10:58 < huebi> dd conv=noerror is your friend...
10:58 < tsa> shooting the manufacturer isn't an option, i guess?
10:59 < huebi> IBM is too big. They would not die
11:00 < huebi> But it's not the fault of IBM. HP wants crap so they only buy crap.
11:01 < huebi> now I'm going to test software RAID-1
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11:01 < fake> mornin
11:01 < tsa> hi fake
11:01 < d3mian> hi fake 
11:02 < fake> gamecube, ps2 or xbox? let the flame war begin ;)
11:03 < fake> <-- votes fpr ps/2
11:03 < fake> s/fpr/for/
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11:04 < th> moin
11:04 < tsa> hi th
11:04 < d3mian> hi th 
11:05 < fake> hi th!
11:05 * fake just signed up for Linuxtag
11:09 < tsa> where will you sleep in karlsruhe?
11:09 < fake> tsa> i dunno. i asked my employer to pay for a hotel, but maybe i'll have to sleep in the booth
11:22 < fake> whe?? there will come 2 people from singapore???
11:23 < tsa> yes.
11:24 < tsa> how long will you stay at lxtag?
11:27 * tsa still doesn't know.
11:27 < tsa> i'll sure go there, at least to have some beers together with all the rock people..
11:28 < tsa> ;-)
11:28 < huebi> ;-)
11:29 < tsa> whoever gives up first has to fix all sf packages.. ;-)
11:29 < huebi> <- 32 Bit approved
11:30 < tsa> hehe
11:31 < huebi> Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes
11:31 < fake> i'll be there from 5th evening to 7th evening
11:31 < huebi> Error reading block 196730 (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read) while doing inode scan.  Ignore error<y>? yes
11:31 < huebi> 7th - 9th
11:32 < tsa> where will you stay? hotel?
11:32 < fake> compiling the booth is the most fun part ;)
11:32 < huebi> tsa: at home. It's only 80 or 90 km
11:33 < tsa> ah, that's cool
11:34 < fake> huebi is our beer supplier. 
11:34 < fake> he has to drive *g*
11:34 < tsa> hehe
11:34 < huebi> ;-)
11:34 < fake> ph34r n0 b33r
11:34 < tsa> lol
11:34 < huebi> *LOL*
11:35 < tsa> so we'll end up with all rock people occupying huebi's house.. ;-)
11:36 < fake> MWUAHAHAHA
11:36 < huebi> au weia
11:36 < tsa> hehe.
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11:52 < tsa> hi ringo78
11:54 < fake> hi
11:54 < tsa> hm...
11:54 * tsa considering getting a small sparcstation 4 or something similar
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12:02 < huebi> tsa: what for? ;)
12:03 < huebi> umo/mncdbo
12:03 < huebi> hehe
12:04 < huebi> umount /mnt/cdrom/boot/ <- bash completion doesn't work inirssi
12:10 < tsa> huebi: just for playing around with it. i'd do web and mail for one singlie domain with it, nothing else..
12:10 < tsa> -i
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12:10 < netcrow> morgen
12:10 < tsa> hi netcrow
12:11 < huebi> hi netcrow 
12:11 < d3mian> hi netcrow 
12:11 < huebi> tsa: Why a sparcstation 4 ?
12:12 < tsa> huebi: because it's small, cheap to get.
12:12 < tsa> and it isn't x86
12:12 < huebi> With Solaris onit?
12:12 < tsa> yepp.
12:12 < huebi> What about a SparcStation IPX?
12:13 < tsa> a mini pizza box? ;-)
12:13 < tsa> hm..
12:14 < tsa> i'd prefer something a little bit bigger so i could use it for other purposes as well.
12:14 < huebi> The IPX is definitly cheaper.
12:15 < tsa> sparcstation4 or 5 with 110 or 170 mhz, something like that.
12:15 < tsa> sure.
12:15 < tsa> i guess you could get an ipx off ebay.com for less than $5
12:15 < huebi> sparcstation4 or 5 with 110 or 170 mhz, something like that. <- 500 EUR or more I think
12:16 < tsa> no
12:16 < tsa> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2025456692
12:16 < tsa> for example.
12:16 < huebi> *click*
12:17 < tsa> a nice small machine, could need a little more RAM. 
12:17 < tsa> and international shipping would have to be arranged.
12:17 < huebi> *paging...*
12:17 < tsa> those are pretty cheap to get in the US. 
12:18 < tsa> here, they are still expensive equipment..
12:18 < tsa> i should go to america and buy a ton of sun hardware ;-)
12:18 < huebi> tsa: I would not buy something not called Ultra...
12:19 < fake> hi netcrow 
12:20 < huebi> tsa: Are you really not interested in an IPX?
12:20 < tsa> "Sun Fire V880" <- do you see the word "Ultra"? ;-)
12:20 < tsa> huebi: currently not..
12:21 < tsa> hm... a Fire would be nice for rock development work, too...
12:21 < huebi> tsa: No I see the words "Where is the phone number of the Sun hotline?"
12:21 < tsa> hehe
12:21 < tsa> why call them if they won't be able to help? from what i've heard, sun support sucks..
12:22 < huebi> SunFire 280R <- biggest peace of junk you can by new
12:22 < tsa> guess i'd be better off calling ripclaw or asking here..
12:22 < tsa> ;-)
12:23 < huebi> tsa: No I see the words "Where is the phone number of the next IBM-Vendor?" hehe
12:23 < tsa> hehe
12:24 < huebi> A SUN 19" printer like holyolli boughtfrom alpha . Thats a good deal
12:24 < tsa> hehe
12:24 < tsa> ack.
12:27 < fake> tsa> i had an V880
12:27 < fake> fullblown, 8 USparcIII-900, 32 GB 'o RAM
12:28 < fake> nice macine.
12:28 < tsa> hehe
12:28 < fake> a bit small, it stood next to the FireBlade with 96 processors (test build)
12:29 < fake> i didn't exactly 0wnz0r it, but i g0t r00t
12:29 < huebi> The best is, in my opinion, to have access to a really big "Rechenzentrum". Access means _the_ big boss said that you must use it and can do what you want. In there afew _big_ clusters of you choice and at least a one GB-line only for you.
12:29 < tsa> ..and someone else to pay for traffic and replacement hardware ;-)
12:30 < fake> o'course.
12:30 < tsa> hehe
12:30 < fake> and pizza for free.
12:30 < tsa> hehe
12:30 * tsa ordering pizza right now
12:30 < fake> *arghl*
12:30 < fake> <-- hungry
12:30 < tsa> ;-)
12:30 < huebi> tsa: You have access and are allowed to use the stuff. I didn't say to pay for something. 
12:30 < huebi> ;-)
12:30 < fake> pizza tonno, with lots of .... zwiebeln?
12:31 < huebi> onios
12:31 < huebi> onions
12:31 < fake> onion. damnit.
12:31 * tsa too. didn't have breakfast today because i woke up too late.
12:31 < fake> <- had 2l coffe.
12:32 < tsa> just 2?
12:32 < fake> i'm at it.
12:33 < fake> 2 litres.
12:33 < th> hmmm breakfast
12:33 < th> great idea...
12:33 < tsa> hehe
12:33 < fake> 34ting rul3z
12:34 < tsa> .oO( did you ever consider eating coffee powder because making coffee takes too much time? )
12:34 < tsa> 31337 p1zz4!
12:34 < fake> i tried. it's so dry you have to drink sth. to get it down. what could you drink? coffee! so forget it.
12:34 < huebi> lol
12:35 < tsa> hehe
12:35 < huebi> brb
12:35 < tsa> i guess most tech people would survive an LD50 of caffeine without being affected at all.. ;-)
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12:36 < fake> hehe. i think they'd finally wake up at the maximum dose ;)
12:37 < fake> :-Q
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12:43 < [anders]> mrrrrning..
12:43 < [anders]> -ish...
12:44 < tsa> hi [anders]
12:49 < d3mian> hi [anders] 
12:53 * tsa eating.
13:08 < huebi> re
13:08 < huebi> hi [anders] 
13:09 < fake> re
13:09 < tsa> re huebi
13:09 < tsa> re fake
13:09 < huebi> What about a wooden barrel of beer at Linuxtag?
13:09 < fake> damn. i need an up-to-date rock iso right _now_
13:09 < [anders]> re huebi 
13:09 < [anders]> re tsa 
13:09 < [anders]> re d3mian 
13:09 < fake> huebi> rul3z !
13:09 * [anders] just eaten...
13:10 < huebi> fake: I make a new ISO right now
13:10 < fake> huebi> 1.5.14?
13:12 < huebi> j1.5.15
13:12 < huebi> fake: 1.5.15
13:12 < huebi> I need about 2h for it.
13:13 < fake> sw3et!
13:13 < fake> >_<
13:13 < huebi> ;-)
13:13 < fake> i guess it would be faster to build it myself than leech it from you?
13:15 < huebi> fake: If you give me a fast connection with sshd on port 443 I cab push it...
13:15 * [anders] will try and get a build box together at some point later this year...
13:17 < fake> huebi> i have a 512 MBit connection - fast enough ?
13:17 < [anders]> can't afford a dual box yet though.. so will aim for an AMD 2000XP+ box with 1GB RAM...
13:17 < huebi> fake: hm,hm could be, I could try it
13:17 < huebi> ;-)
13:17 < huebi> hehe
13:18 < fake>                                        /;    ;\
13:18 < fake>                                    __  \\____//
13:18 < fake>                                   /{_\_/   `'\____
13:18 < fake>                                   \___  (o)  (o  }
13:18 < fake>        _____________________________/         :--'   
13:18 < fake>    ,-,'`@@@@@@@@        @@@@@@         \_     `__\
13:18 < fake>   ;:(  @@@@@@@@@         @@@              \___(o'o)
13:18 < fake>   :: )  @@@@           @@@@@@        ,'@@(  `===='    Mooo!
13:18 < fake>   :: : @@@@@:           @@@@         `@@@:
13:18 < fake>   :: \  @@@@@:        @@@@@@@)    (  '@@@'
13:18 < fake>   ;; /\      /`,    @@@@@@@@@\    :@@@@@)
13:18 < fake>   ::/  )    {_----------------:  :~`,~~;
13:18 < fake>  ;;'`; :   )                   :  / `; ;
13:18 < fake> ;;;; : :   ;                   :  ;  ; :
13:18 < fake> `'`' / :  :                    :  :  : :
13:18 < fake>     )_ \__;      ";"           :_ ;  \_\        `,','
13:18 < fake>     :__\  \    * `,'*          \  \  :  \   *   8`;'*  *
13:18 < fake>  ` ` `  `^' ` ` \ :/ ` ` ` ` `  `^'  `-^-' ` \v/ `:  \/
13:18 < fake> the cow has returned!
13:18 < huebi> fake: nice cow
13:18 < huebi> ;-)
13:19 < tsa> hehe
13:19 < fake> http://nwn.bioware.com/
13:19 < fake> if this game's finally released, i'll vanish for a few months.
13:19 < tsa> hehe
13:23 < fake> huebi: plz tell me when the img's ready, mkay?
13:23 < d3mian> :)
13:23 < huebi> fake: yes.
13:24 < huebi> fake: should I scp it to you?
13:24 < fake> would be great!
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13:30 < aszlig> hullo
13:31 < fake> heya
13:31 < aszlig> hunting 4 something to eat ;) brb
13:34 < huebi> fake: start a sshd with : sshd -p443 on that box
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13:36 < d3mian> culater
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13:36 < huebi> cu d3mian 
13:37 < fake> huebi> up.
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13:40 < fake> hi cliff_
13:47 < praenti> moin
13:47 < fake> hi praenti 
13:47 < praenti> source-code of kde is very ugly...
13:48 < fake> in fact, kde is very ugly.
13:48 < fake> where did you think does that come from ;)
13:48 < praenti> fake: give me some points why kde is ugly
13:48 < fake> praenti: it's colorful, and it's colorful and.... it's damn colorful
13:49 < fake> naah, i don't like it personally, that's all.
13:49 < praenti> fake: *g* 
13:50 < praenti> fake: ok. thats ok. thats personality ;-)
13:51 < praenti> the strangest thing i found in the code. somebody removed some needed things out of an header.
13:51 < praenti> but the biggest fault are destructors in the private statement...
13:51 < fake> you can't call destructors
13:52 < praenti> in some cases protected is useful. normally constructor an destructor are public. you cant call it but you can "vererb" it
13:53 < praenti> in private you must give a friend
13:56 < fake> jo.
13:56 < fake> you can call the constructor
13:57 < fake> with the "new" statement
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13:58 < fake> ah! i have the neverwinter nights toolset! w00h00!
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14:25 < bluefire> Moin
14:25 < huebi> hi bluefire 
14:26 < fake> hi bluefire 
14:26 < fake> aw... sucks.
14:26 < fake> the nwn toolset crashes frequently
14:32 < tsa> *gaehn*
14:32 < tsa> scheisse, was bin ich heute so muede?
14:33 < tsa> hi bluefire..
14:35 < fake> tsa> l4ck 0f c0ff33
14:35 < tsa> fake: hm..
14:35 < tsa> 3 kannen bisher (= seit 9 uhr)
14:35 < fake> hm... akzeptabel.
14:36 < tsa> klingt aber wie nen brauchbarer plan. 
14:36 < tsa> mal nachschub suchen.
14:36 < fake> wieviel grad hat es im bro?
14:36 < fake> schwitzen is nmlich fies, was den koffeinspiegel angeht.
14:36 < tsa> keine ahnung, soviel wie draussen weil fenster auf.
14:36 < huebi> hmm. Be carefull with no_root_squash. I just erased /bin /boot /etc of a backupserver
14:36 < tsa> geschaetzt 17
14:36 < tsa> huebi: ack.
14:36 < tsa> huebi: hast du backups davon?
14:37 < fake> huebi? o_O###
14:37 < huebi> hehe auf dem Backupserver
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14:38 < huebi> aber Ich habe ja noch den mount. Irgendwelche dateien von meinem arbeitsplatzrechener zurueckkopiert. login geht wieder.
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14:44 < huebi> HOSTNAME gewechselt. Da haengt die Backuplizenz dran...
14:45 < huebi> restore startet...
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14:45 < huebi> hi hackbard 
14:45 < hackbard> re :)
14:48 < huebi> und die ganze Zeit kaut der Backupserver rocklinux 1.5.15 weiter durch. ;-)
14:49 < huebi> Band 1 ist fertig
14:49 < tsa> hm..
14:49 < huebi> Band 2 auch
14:50 < huebi> ah. Nochmal. Der hat meine Schrottdateien jetzt vorsichtshalber nicht ersetzt
14:53 < tsa> hehe
14:53 < th> huebi: 1.5.15 und noch keine neues image da?
14:54 < huebi> th: 1.5.15 wird gerade auf dem Backupserver zusammen kompiliert.
14:54 < th> ahso
14:55 < huebi> den muss ich jetzt waehrenddessen halt auch noch wieder restoren. Ich liebe solche aktionen ;-)
14:58 < th> oehm
14:58 < th> ich merke gerade... ich hab da eine aenderung noch nicht committed.
14:59 < tsa> hm...
14:59 * tsa hat grad ein neues Wort gelernt.
14:59 < tsa> "Laffe"
14:59 < huebi> hehe
14:59 < tsa> huebi: kennst du das?
14:59 < th> huebi: ion wird fehlschlagen
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15:00 < th> huebi: es sei denn du tauschst schnell noch das .conf file aus
15:00 < tsa> hehe.
15:01 < th> ach moment
15:01 < th> huebi: du buildest ja im moment keine extensions...
15:02 < huebi> Jo ,ich baue im Moment keine Extensions.
15:02 < huebi> aber ich habe vor ca 30 eine cvs co gemacht.
15:03 < th> ion.ext war bis eben fehlerhaft
15:04 < th> ich dachte ich haette das schon samstag committed
15:05 < huebi> th: Ich habe am Samstag den CVS mit einem Backup von Samstag frueh ueberschrieben. Deshalb hat das jetzt gefehlt.
15:06 < th> achso
15:06 < th> das erklaert das natuerlich
15:06 * praenti <-- away
15:07 < huebi> Ich bekomme heute abend noch ein paar 4GB SCSI Platten "mit so merkwuerdige Anschlusse, die kenn' ich nich. Wills Du die habn? Und diese riesige Kontrollerkarte dazu auch? Ich kann damit nichts anfangen." - "JAAA!!"
15:07 < tsa> merkwuerdiger Anschluss? SCA?
15:08 < tsa> riesige Karte - klingt nach RAID..
15:08 < huebi> tsa: JA, genau!
15:08 < huebi> und geschenkt *freu*
15:09 < tsa> hehe
15:09 < tsa> wie viele platten?
15:09 < fake> >_<
15:09 < fake> b4k4
15:10 < huebi> tsa: 2 oder mehr
15:10 < tsa> nett..
15:11 < huebi> Jo, muss ich mir dann mal genau ansehen. Das rocklinux.dyndns mehr als ein paar minuten weg vom netz ist will ich nicht mehr haben.
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15:11 < huebi> hi h0h0 
15:11 < th> oho php-4.2.1
15:12 < th> da muss ich mal apache-php anpassen
15:13 < huebi> uups, Ich habe noch 4.1.2
15:20 * huebi updating OpenSSH
15:30 < huebi> ok. OpenSSH 3.2.2p1 is now in Rocklinux 1.5.15. ( in cvs later this evening.
15:30 < huebi> )
15:32 < huebi> th: Was haeltst du davon den Apache mit ssl von ext in base+opt zu befoerdern?
15:33 < huebi> == 15:27:27 =[5]=> Building base package rock-debug [1.5.15 1.5.15]. <- das dauert bestimmt wieder 20-30min
15:34 < tsa> hehe
15:34 < huebi> Build-All ist jetzt erweitert, so dass man dieses rock-debug nicht immer neu bauen muss.
15:34 < huebi> nein!
15:35 < huebi> ./scripts/Config meine ich
15:36 < huebi> gerade noch dran gedacht: nach dem Restore eines Kernels lilo aufrufen. Ist halt noch nicht so toll in dem Punkt, wie silo
15:38 < huebi> Ich sehe hier 12 Zeilen von mir und eine von tsa . Lawer ich zu viel? hmmm..?
15:38 < tsa> hehe
15:38 < th> apache-php updated to 4.2.1
15:38 < tsa> Soll ich ne Kuh-Herde durch den Channel jagen?
15:38 < huebi> th klasse
15:38 < th> (aber noch nich committed)
15:38 < huebi> tsa: So eine bunte, wie von fake . Au ja
15:38 < tsa> hehe
15:39 * huebi fenster gross mach..
15:39 < huebi> wart...
15:39 < tsa> .oO( Versuch ich jetzt mal, nen Steak in ASCII hinzukriegen? ;)
15:39 < th> huebi: ich wollte was bauen fuer opt-config, oder?
15:39 < huebi> th oeh, ja.
15:40 < huebi> glaube ich
15:40 < th> huebi: wenn ich das hab koennen wir das mit dem apache machen
15:40 < huebi> th ok!
15:40 < th> huebi: vorher wuesste ich nicht, wie ich eine neuere version installiere
15:40 < huebi> ack
15:41 < huebi> th: eine Idee, die ich chon hatte und hier haeufig anwende, sind /opt/<packet>-<version> und dan ein link auf die benutzte version ln -s /opt/<packet>-<version> /opt/<packet>
15:42 < huebi> th: meinst du das?
15:43 < th> nein
15:43 < th> es geht um ein verfahren wie ./scripts/Internat refetch-ext
15:43 < th> aber eben fuer opt
15:43 < tsa> huebi: hehe..ich find das grad komisch..
15:43 < tsa> huebi: /me mecht exakt das gleiche @home, allerdings mit /vol statt /opt
15:43 < tsa> s,mecht,macht
15:44 < tsa> allerdinge empfiehlt es sich, teilweise, aehnliche/funktional verwandte sachen zusammenzufassen, weil sonst der PFad irgendwann zu lang wird,..
15:46 < huebi> tsa: Also ist da was dran, ich meine an der Idee mit den Links. Ich hatte mal 3 Zope Instanzen, die recht aufwendig verlinkt habe, do das man in wenigen Minuten die Software austauschen konnte.
15:47 < tsa> huebi: ja, das klappt wunderbar. Der grosse Vorteil ist dabei eben, dass du zum Beispiel die neue Version einer Software testen kannst, ohne die alte loeschen zu muessen. Sollte die neue Version nicht taugen, einfach den Symlink umbiegen und gut ist.
15:48 < tsa> ..und das Ganze auch noch, ohne $PATH bearbeiten zu muessen, weil der immer jeweils /vol/$package/bin benutzt..
15:48 < tsa> also ohne die Version..
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15:50 < huebi> tsa: und ich kann non-root usern Schreibrechte unter /opt geben. Die koennen dann basteln was sie wollen, brauchen mir meine Startup scripte aber nicht zu verbiegen. Wenn was nicht Laeuft: -> die waren's! hehe. immer dieses rumgemurkse auf Produktionsmaschinen und mir dann die Schuld in die Schuhe schieben wollen. 
15:50 < tsa> jupp.
15:51 < huebi> Die werden dann sehr schnell sehr vorsichtig. Dann klappt's auch mit dem Admin. ;-))
15:52 < huebi> Die SCSI-Platte im Backup server ist schoen schnell
15:52 < huebi>  ** Finished (05/21/02 15:26:07 - 05/21/02 15:49:56) **
15:52 < tsa> hehe
15:52 < tsa> ls
15:52 < tsa> ww
15:53 < huebi> 282544 extents written (551 Mb)
15:53 < huebi> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root     578650112 May 21 15:51 rock-intel-i586-base+opt-1.5.15.iso
15:54 < huebi> faertich!
15:54 < fake> yeeehaw!
15:54 < huebi> fake: Obacht! Ungetestet! Aber fehlerfrei beim Build
15:54 < th> cool
15:55 < th> huebi: schieb rueber :)
15:55 < huebi> scp aus dem Keller ins Buero...
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15:58 < tsa> hi tomik
15:58 < tomik> hi all 
16:00 < huebi> hi tomik 
16:02 < huebi> fake: HILFE!!
16:03 < tsa> ?
16:03 < huebi> tsa: fake will das iso haben, ich habe aber keine schreibrechte bei ihm
16:03 < tsa> ah
16:04 < tsa>  /tmp?
16:04 < huebi> upload auf world laeuft..
16:04 < tsa> oder so.
16:05 < huebi> braucht 1h und ich werde es dann um ca 18h00- 18h30 ins download verzeichnis schieben.
16:08 < fake> huebi mom
16:09 < fake> ok.
16:09 < th> cyrus experten hier?
16:12 < huebi> th no
16:15 * huebi wundert sich, was wohl die Proxy Jungs ueber diesen merkwuerdigen Traffic sagen werden... Ob das denen ueberhaut auffaellt?
16:16 < tsa> hm..
16:16 < tsa> transconnect?
16:16 < huebi> tsa: genau..
16:16 < tsa> hehe....noch nie getestet, taugt das?
16:17 < huebi> tsa: Sehr gut. Voellig problemlos
16:18 < tsa> hm...
16:18 < tsa> Uni-Spam.
16:18 < tsa> HTML.
16:18 < tsa> *kotz*
16:19 < huebi> http://www.ruesselsheim.net/frameset.html <- Wie aktuell *g*
16:19 < tsa> Ein Diskussionsforum fuer ein Gesundheitstraining. Spannend.
16:19 < tsa> "d"
16:19 < huebi> tsa: hehe
16:19 < tsa> hehe
16:20 < huebi> bbl ;-)
16:20 < tsa> unsubscribed.
16:21 < tsa> die uni hat auf mailman umgestellt, praktisch, dass da die unsubscribe-url gleich mit im header steht..
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16:23 < armijn> re
16:23 < armijn> huebi?
16:23 < tsa> hi armijn
16:23 < armijn> hi tsa
16:24 < armijn> ripclaw should learn to read patches grrrrr!
16:25 < tsa> hehe
16:25 < tsa> hm...
16:25 < armijn> and huebi as well
16:26 < armijn> complaining that something doesn't build, even though I already *know* that
16:26 < armijn> I used a patch from debian, which adds the source for a tool and that fails to build
16:26 < tsa> tell ripclaw to show up here more often, a lot of problem can be solved right here...
16:26 < armijn> but nooooo, mr ripclaw just checks the original source and starts complaining.
16:26 < armijn> argh
16:26 < tsa> i haven't seen ripclaw here since 2 weeks or simething..
16:26 < tsa> strange.
16:27 < fake> BioWare's new publishing partner, Infogrames, has just announced in their press release that Neverwinter Nights will be launched worldwide in Summer, 2002. 
16:27 < tsa> s,i,o
16:27 < fake> YEEEEHAW!
16:27 < tsa> hehe
16:28 < armijn> and it's really hard for me right now to not start flaming him...
16:28 < fake> best: Macintosh, Linux and Windows version in ONE freakin' box!
16:28 < armijn> it's hot outside, HP machines giving me a headache and I've got no beer!
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16:29 < freed> hi all
16:29 < tsa> hi freed
16:29 < freed> hi tsa
16:32 < freed> rxr biste da?
16:35 < tsa> AFK. Besprechung.
16:36 < tsa> bbl.
16:36 < freed> axo thx
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16:44 < rxr> hi freed 
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17:12 < Mike1> hi all
17:12 < freed> hello Mike1 :)
17:12 < Mike1> hi freed 
17:17 < fake> hi
17:30 < rxr> clifford_: online ?
17:41 < th> postfix experten hier?
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17:46 < fake> aloha!
17:46 < uninvited> hola !
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17:56 < armijn> blah
17:56 < fake> f00
17:56 < armijn> frustrating...
17:56 < armijn> hmm...I hope I didn't flame ripclaw too much
17:56 < fake> keep cool. rock isn't everything.
17:57 < fake> (just kidding)
17:57 < armijn> hmm
17:57 < armijn> but I spent quite a few hours on getting everything right and then he starts complaining before he even looked at everything that was there
17:57 < armijn> thast pisses me off
17:57 < armijn> s/thast/that/
17:58 < armijn> ah wll
17:58 < fake> people do mistakes, that's what makes the difference between computers and persons.
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17:58 < armijn> yeah...
17:58 < fake> if a computer makes a mistake, it's a human's fault.
17:59 < armijn> yeah. well, there's actually a bit more...
17:59 < armijn> ripclaw hasn't added too much to the sparc64 port up till now...
17:59 < armijn> yeah yeah, I know this sounds like dick waving :)
17:59 < fake> anyways, go get yourself some b33r and r3l4x.
18:00 < armijn> beer...
18:00 < armijn> maybe.
18:00 < armijn> first checking out what huebi changed :)
18:00 < fake> <--- drivin' home now.
18:00 < fake> have to check out that 1.5.15 iso i got right now ;-)
18:00 < armijn> hmm, I hope huebi already sent the CD
18:01 < fake> bye for now - and stay cool.
18:01 < fake> (hint: UT helps relaxing.)
18:01 < armijn> hehe
18:01 < armijn> UT?
18:01 < fake> Unreal Tournament
18:01 < fake> ;)
18:01 < armijn> I'm not a gamer :)
18:01 < uninvited> Unusual Tabledance ?
18:02 < armijn> unified tittytwisters
18:02 < uninvited> YES !
18:02 < armijn> hmm..
18:02 < armijn> :)
18:06 < armijn>  
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18:16 < tsa> ..und weg
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18:43 < huebi> re
18:43 < huebi> Moep!
18:44 < Mike1> re huebi 
18:44 < huebi> hi Mike1 
18:44 < Mike1> wie geht es ihnen?
18:44 < armijn> hi huebi
18:44 < armijn> huebi: isn't it today your daughter's birthday?
18:44 < Mike1> hi armijn :)
18:45 < armijn> hi mike1
18:48 < huebi> 17:59 < armijn> yeah yeah, I know this sounds like dick waving :) <- *LOOOL*
18:48 < huebi> hi armijn 
18:48 < huebi> Yes, today is my daughters birthday
18:49 < armijn> huebi: great, congratulations
18:49 < huebi> thank you.
18:50 < huebi> So, I'm leaving in a few moments.
18:50 < huebi> armijn: What is about the complains of ripclaw?
18:51 < huebi> armijn: I don't trust his patches very much. I think he didn't speak to you about the stuff he wanted to change.
18:52 < armijn> huebi: true
18:52 < armijn> huebi; he's the maintainer, but I haven't seen too much code and patches from him...
18:52 < armijn> he just mails :)
18:52 < armijn> *high* volume
18:52 < huebi> untill when are you here, armijn ?
18:52 < armijn> huebi: about an hour, I think
18:53 < armijn> need to burn some CDs, download some packages...
18:53 < armijn> for HP-UX
18:53 < huebi> well then we will see later again.
18:53 < armijn> I guess
18:54 < huebi> well, I don't understand ripclaws email in most of the time. His english is not easy to understand.
18:54 < armijn> you would understand is german?
18:54 < huebi> And also he often does not tell in there what he really wants.
18:54 < armijn> I had to save the ROCK talk at FOSDEM as well :)
18:55 < armijn> yeah, that is the biggest problem
18:55 < armijn> probably the best way to work with him is probably to sit down and actually do stuff
18:55 < huebi> I told him to reduce his vocabulary to at the most 200 easy words.
18:56 < armijn> :)
18:56 < huebi> ...and actually do stuff and ignore his noise?
18:56 < armijn> huebi: I think he's more of a practical guy
18:56 < armijn> huebi: btw, did you announce 1.5.15 on the list?
18:57 < huebi> Well armijn my english is good enough to understand all the others...
18:57 < huebi> armijn: I did not annonce. Whould you like to do it?
18:57 < armijn> urgh, I mean, would you understand his german (misspelled it)
18:57 < armijn> huebi: I will announce it then, ok?
18:58 < huebi> armijn: Yes, please do so
18:58 < armijn> k
18:58 < huebi> brb
18:58 < huebi> 1 minute
19:00 < armijn> hmm...where can I download 1.5.14?
19:00 < armijn> ehr, 1.5.15?
19:01 < huebi> url is coming
19:01 < armijn> k
19:01 < armijn> what has been changed btw?
19:02 < huebi> armijn: ftp://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.15/rock-intel-i586-base+opt-1.5.15.iso
19:02 < huebi> armijn: http://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.15/rock-intel-i586-base+opt-1.5.15.iso
19:02 < Mike1> huebi way cool :)
19:02 < huebi> Mike1: thank you!
19:02 < armijn> huebi: but no snapshot?
19:03 < huebi> armijn: All except about 8 Sparc64 base+opt packages are compiling
19:03 * Mike1 downloading iso
19:03 < armijn> huebi: which sparc64 packages?
19:03 < huebi> armijn: the snapshot comes later this evening... better now. Wait please
19:04 < Mike1> 12650K .......... .......... .......... .......... ..........  2% @  94.52 KB/s
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19:05 < huebi> flood
19:05 < huebi> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         1686 May 18 22:18 /rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs/2-sparc-utils.err
19:05 < huebi> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        15557 May 18 22:01 /rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs/3-alsa.err
19:05 -!- inode [~inode@cs666984-85.satx.rr.com] has quit (Remote closed the connection)
19:05 < huebi> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        10835 May 18 22:09 /rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs/3-apmd.err
19:05 < huebi> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root           75 May 18 21:58 /rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs/3-modules.err
19:05 < huebi> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        15821 May 18 22:00 /rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs/3-mtools.err
19:05 < huebi> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         1943 May 18 22:08 /rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs/3-sawfish.err
19:05 < huebi> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         1686 May 18 21:58 /rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs/3-sparc-utils.err
19:05 < huebi> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root       106692 May 18 22:08 /rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs/3-xscreensaver.err
19:05 < huebi>  
19:05 < armijn> ok, so nothing too serious, except modules
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19:06 < huebi> armijn: I want to change linux and modules to linux and linux-src
19:06 < armijn> huebi: ok
19:06 < inode> what file stores gateway info??  /etc/??
19:06 < huebi> modules has not your spar64 patch for linux. So easy to fix
19:06 < armijn> huebi: hmm...
19:06 < huebi> inode: /etc/conf/network
19:06 < armijn> huebi: I will check it now on fels (or rock?)
19:07 < huebi> rock
19:08 < armijn> well, the error message is great!
19:08 < armijn> Extracting linux-2.4.18-rc4.tar.bz2 (--use-compress-program=bzip2 -xf) ... 
19:08 < armijn> and that's it
19:09 < huebi> armijn: look in /rock-linux/err/
19:09 < huebi> armijn: I stoped the build of the broken packages.
19:09 < huebi> armijn: did you find it?
19:09 < armijn> no
19:09 < huebi> hmm
19:09 < huebi> mom
19:11 < armijn> how long does a build take/
19:12 < armijn> huebi: can you save the logs somewhere? I will be afk tomorrow
19:15 < huebi> armijn: Yes I put them into your home on ella
19:15 < armijn> ok
19:16 < armijn> hey...
19:16 < armijn> the modules config is about the same as the linux config
19:16 < armijn> I didn't know that
19:16 < armijn> that just sounds....stupid
19:17 < armijn> sounds like an easy fix
19:17 < armijn> I guess
19:17 < huebi> jo
19:18 < armijn> but can't do it today I'm afraid :(
19:18 < Mike1> huebi 133700K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 23% @ 238.50 KB/s
19:18 < armijn> huebi: where can I download snapshot for 1.5.15?
19:18 < armijn> I mean, sources
19:18 < huebi> armijn: mom
19:20 < Mike1> rxr how are builds doing with U5?
19:23 < huebi> ftp://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.15/rock-src-1.5.15.tar.bz2
19:23 < huebi> ftp://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.15/md5sums
19:24 < huebi> cu later
19:24 < huebi> I'm off
19:24 < huebi> to the birthdayparty of my daughter
19:26 < armijn> ok
19:38 < rxr> re
19:38 < Mike1> re rxr 
19:39 < rxr> Mike1: needs some hacks ...
19:39 < Mike1> i see such as?
19:39 < rxr> getting a 64bit glibc to compile
19:39 < rxr> getting XFree to work
19:40 < rxr> armijn: has XFree on sparc ever worked for you>
19:40 < Mike1> rxr gcc3 package on rock mirrors has errors i had to download it form gnu.org to build it
19:40 < Mike1> rxr yes xfree-4.2
19:40 < rxr> Mike1: I always use the original URL ...
19:40 < Mike1> .1 will get you into a bunch of toruble rxr
19:40 < rxr> Mike1: no - there is a fundametal 32/64bit userspace missmatch in ROCK ...
19:41 < Mike1> rxr well mirrors are faster so i am to lazy to wait so long
19:41 < rxr> 4.2.0 does not work too ...
19:41 < Mike1> you build it?
19:41 < rxr> sure
19:41 < armijn> hahahahaha
19:41 < armijn> the 64 bit issue...
19:41 < armijn> rxr: forget it
19:42 < Mike1> und you have the same card i do right?
19:42 < rxr> Mike1: XFree will not work on the current ROCK sparc builds ...
19:42 < rxr> armijn: ?
19:42 < armijn> rxr: you want to have a 64 bit glibc on your sparc?
19:43 < Mike1> i will look for the one i installed on my box
19:43 < rxr> armijn: did X11 in ROCK sparc ever worked for you?
19:43 < armijn> rxr: I never tried it
19:43 < rxr> urgh
19:43 < armijn> rxr: it's not a base package
19:43 < armijn> and I said I only build base pacakges
19:43 < armijn> packages that is
19:43 < rxr> armijn: ism't it?
19:44 < armijn> well, it is base, but it is optional...
19:44 < rxr> oh
19:44 < rxr> armijn: yes I want a 64 bit userspace - and this should work ...
19:44 < armijn> ok
19:44 < armijn> you will need to patch glibc
19:44 < armijn> and gcc
19:45 < armijn> but still, if you want your kernels to compile correctly, you should not use gcc 3
19:45 < rxr> armijn: ? No this is supported in gcc-3.1 and glibc-2.2.5 (at least it is written)
19:46 < rxr> armijn: gcc-3.1 is marked as compiled sparc64 correct - and my kernel is runnin fine ...
19:46 < rxr>   7:46pm  up 1 day,  2:36,  4 users,  load average: 1.21, 0.61, 0.46
19:46 < armijn> rxr: well, it might be running fine, but the maintainers won't help you if you've got a problem
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19:46 < rxr> armijn: there was a mail yesterday about this discussion on linux-kernel 
19:47 < rxr> gcc-3.1 is ok 
19:47 < armijn> rxr: but to compile gcc-3.1 to generate sparc64 code, you still have to have a 64 bit C lib first
19:47 < rxr> and using a 3 year old patched egcs is really not nice ...
19:47 < armijn> rxr: what did DaveM say?
19:47 < armijn> rxr: yeah, well, probably it's not nice, but it is what the maintainer wants.
19:48 < rxr> armijn: no you do not need a 64 bit glibc for gcc-3.1 - you simply use the same cross build as you do with the egcs-sparc64 ...
19:48 < armijn> rxr: you sure??
19:49 < armijn> rxr: I'll talk to you in about two weeks time when you ask me for the patches :))
19:49 < rxr> sure.
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19:50 < Mike1> <armijn> rxr: well, it might be running fine, but the maintainers won't help
19:50 < Mike1>           you if you've got a problem
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19:50 < Mike1> <rxr> armijn: there was a mail yesterday about this discussion on linux-kernel
19:50 < Mike1> <rxr> gcc-3.1 is ok
19:50 < Mike1> <armijn> rxr: but to compile gcc-3.1 to generate sparc64 code, you still have
19:50 < Mike1>           to have a 64 bit C lib first
19:50 < rxr> >    Btw, is gcc 3.1 supported now or only the magic egcs variant?
19:50 < rxr> >
19:50 < rxr> > gcc-3.1 should work properly, I've used it but I'm hesitant to %100
19:50 < rxr> > bless it just yet. :-)
19:50 < rxr> >
19:50 < Mike1> <rxr> and using a 3 year old patched egcs is really not nice ...
19:50 < rxr> > I would prefer to receive bug reports only against the sparc64-egcs
19:50 < Mike1> <armijn> rxr: what did DaveM say?
19:50 < Mike1> <armijn> rxr: yeah, well, probably it's not nice, but it is what the
19:50 < martin_> hallo 
19:50 < rxr> > compiler still.
19:50 < Mike1>           maintainer wants.
19:50 < Mike1> <rxr> armijn: no you do not need a 64 bit glibc for gcc-3.1 - you simply use
19:50 < Mike1>           the same cross build as you do with the egcs-sparc64 ...
19:50 < Mike1> <armijn> rxr: you sure??
19:50 < Mike1> <armijn> rxr: I'll talk to you in about two weeks time when you ask me for the
19:50 < Mike1>           patches :))
19:50 < Mike1> <rxr> sure.
19:50 < martin_> hi rxr
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19:50 < Mike1>  [11:44am][Mike1(+iw)] [#rocklinux(+n)]
19:51 < Mike1>  [Lag  1] [O/0 N/21 I/0 V/0 F/0]                                    [U:a:S:b:h]
19:51 < martin_> hi Mike1
19:51 < armijn> hey mike1!
19:51 < Mike1> [#rocklinux]
19:51 < armijn> stop it!
19:51 < Mike1> oops
19:51 < Mike1> sorry
19:51 < Mike1> armijn i said i am sorry
19:51 < rxr> hi martin
19:51 < armijn> yeah yeah :)
19:51 < Mike1> i was doing something and accidentaly moved my mouse over the windows
19:51 < armijn> rxr: sorry, your stuff got intermixed with mike1's stuff
19:52 < armijn> rxr: but why would you want a 64 bit userland?
19:52 < armijn> rxr: it's not faster...
19:52 < rxr> the gcc-3.1 should work - and if not we should fix the remaining 2 1/2 bugs to get a actual compiler instead using a 3 year old crap that only compiles the kernel 
19:53 < rxr> armijn: I now that it is not faster -but it would result in a clean system where you can take your gcc to compile the kernel (no need for a 64 cross compiler) and where X works ...
19:53 < Mike1> armijn i think rxr is right why not try to fix and improve what we got
19:54 < armijn> rxr: you should bug DaveM with that, not me :)
19:54 < armijn> Mike1: I won't fix gcc
19:54 < armijn> and still, what DaveM wants happens.
19:54 < armijn> if he doesn't want to switch, then we won't switch
19:54 < Mike1> as you said the system is not faster but its nice to have a clean systems to work
19:54 < armijn> mike1: that is absolutely BS
19:55 < rxr> armijn: I do not bug you - I only explain what I'm doing. And why ...
19:55 < armijn> actually, a 64 bit system will probably be even slower
19:55 < armijn> rxr: well, I'd like to use gcc 3 as well, but that doesn't matter as long as the official compiler is still egcs64
19:55 < Mike1> armijn i see, so the needs of other users besides maintainers are BS?
19:56 < rxr> armijn: X free does not work because it tried to mmap 32 stuff by calling 64 ioctl"s this is not supported in vanilla kernel glibc ... 
19:56 < armijn> mike1: no, but having a "clean" system...it is clean now, you just have an extra compiler...
19:56 < rxr> armijn: and this is not clean
19:56 < armijn> and I don't need 64 bit applications
19:57 < armijn> rxr: well, there are tons of other stuff that have higher priority to fix than just the kernel compiler
19:57 < rxr> thesun:/rock-linux # cat /proc/version
19:57 < rxr> Linux version 2.4.19-pre8 (root@thesun) (gcc version 3.1) #15 Sun May 19 23:24:20 CEST 2002
19:57 < rxr> armijn: yes: top priority: get x running
19:57 < armijn> rxr: you installed Jan's ISO right?
19:57 < rxr> the high res framebuffer hurs my eyes ...
19:57 < rxr> yes as huebi ripclaw explaint ... 
19:58 < armijn> ok
19:58 < armijn> I told everyone here on irc thousands of times that there's a *LOT* wrong with that image
19:58 < rxr> armijn: you only wrote LOT. What is *LOT* exactly ?
19:58 < armijn> rxr: get 1.5.15, rebuild everything
19:58 < armijn> A LOT
19:59 < armijn> as in, much
19:59 < armijn> viel
19:59 < armijn> mucho
19:59 < Mike1> muchisimo*
19:59 < rxr> armijn: details ?
19:59 < armijn> mike1: exactly
19:59 < armijn> rxr: header files mismatch
19:59 < armijn> for the assembler
19:59 < armijn> which explains all your problems
20:00 < armijn> and which have been fixed in the CVS tree for quite a long time now
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20:00 < rxr> armijn: ? I do not have such problems ...
20:00 < armijn> rxr: you sure??
20:00 < rxr> the systems runs
20:00 < armijn> of course it runs!
20:00 < rxr> I can compile kernel with egcs64 and gcc-3.1
20:00 < armijn> header files are only used when compiling...
20:00 < rxr> I can compile other progs ...
20:00 < armijn> check /usr/include
20:01 < armijn> is asm a symlink to somewhere?
20:01 * Mike1 away having luch
20:01 < armijn> or not
20:01 < armijn> ?
20:01 < rxr> asm -> ../src/linux/include/asm
20:02 < armijn> ok, you will *definitely* run into trouble then
20:02 < armijn> if you want to start to build ROCK
20:03 < rxr> you can not say "the ISO has *LOT* problems" when it is only one tiny symlink you don"t like ...
20:03 < armijn> it's not just a tiny symlink
20:03 < armijn> that tiny symlink has got a lot of repercussions
20:04 < armijn> I had to fix it on huebi's machine as well, to get the ROCK build going
20:04 < rxr> armijn: what should be there? a copy of the sparc32 headers ?
20:04 < armijn> no
20:04 < armijn> try building glibc
20:05 < armijn> then, if it fails, download rock 1.5.15 and look at ./base-config/linux/linux.conf
20:05 * rxr eating ...
20:05 < armijn> and ./misc/generate-asm
20:05 < armijn> and after that you come back and apologize
20:07 < rxr> ah this hacks ... urgh. 
20:07 < armijn> see?
20:07 < rxr> I do not want to c this again ...
20:07 < armijn> if you can find a cleaner way, a lot of people will be grateful
20:08 < armijn> including the debian maintainers, the red hat people, the suse people, ...
20:10 < rxr> redhat and suse? Thet might prefer tu continue to use their corrupted glibc gcc trees ...
20:16 < armijn> I meant in respect to the header files
20:18 < armijn> and whether you like it or not, this is the only good way right now
20:27 < armijn> I'm off
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20:30 < tsa> hi
20:32 < martin_> hi tsa
20:32 < tsa> hi martin_
20:33 < tsa> clifford_: awake?
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20:35 < tsa> *gaehn*
20:35 < tsa> kaffe nachfuellen.
20:35 < huebi> Moep!
20:36 < tsa> hi huebi
20:36 < huebi> *Phlump* Krombacher alloholfreei
20:36 < tsa> alloholfrei????
20:36 < huebi> hi tsa 
20:36 < tsa> bist du krank?
20:36 < huebi> jo
20:36 < huebi> hehe
20:37 < huebi> sonst schlafe ich gleich ein.
20:38 < tsa> hm...
20:38 < tsa> nee, noch bleibe ich bei Kaffee.
20:46 < freed> rxr biste in der naehe?
20:48 < tsa> hm....
20:48 < freed> hab wohl immer pech :(
20:48 < tsa> huebi: btw...wie machst du das bei ssh auf sun mit random source?
20:48 < tsa> prngd?
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20:49 < tsa> hi hackbard
20:53 < hackbard> re
20:53 < Mike1> hallo franky boy
20:56 < huebi> tsa: Jo, das ist eine Moeglichkeit, prngd. Da gibt es bei bigadmin eine recht ausfuehrliche Anleitung.
20:56 < huebi> hi hackbard 
20:56 < tsa> huebi: ich weiss, den nutze ich derzeit. 
20:57 < tsa> Es waere bloss mal interessant, ob 112438-01 besser ist als prngd..
20:57 < Mike1> huebi party is over?
20:58 < tsa> mit dem prngd sind ssh-Connects teilweise recht lahm, auch im 100mbit fd Netz. 
20:58 < tsa> (ich nutze teilweise intern telnet, weil schneller..
20:58 < huebi> Ich habe einfach den Securitymenschen bei der Bank angerufen und mir das Packet einfach zuschicken lassen ;)
20:58 < tsa> )
20:59 < huebi> Mike1: not kompletely, but she is getting tired ;)
20:59 < Mike1> :)
20:59 * huebi is unpacking the new 1.5.15 build tree from work here at home...
21:00 < huebi> 1.5.15 - Ella's Release ;-)
21:00 * Mike1 fetching sources for 1.5.15 
21:01 < tsa> did anyone ever try to get disk space for a rock mirror from an german university and succeeded?
21:01 < huebi> tsa: Yes, me!
21:02 < tsa> huebi: hm....what did you do? just sent them a mail?
21:02 < huebi> No. I spend a few stouts
21:02 < tsa> ...and in which kind of relationship are you with the ftp-admin?
21:02 < tsa> ah. ok
21:03 < tsa> i think on asking for ftp space on ftp.uni-bielefeld.de..
21:03 < tsa> sending a mail "hi, i'm student here and want to have some space" probably won't work..
21:03 < huebi> linux.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de will use download.rocklinux.de as master mirror in a about week. 100MBit
21:04 < tsa> hm...
21:05 < tsa> our faculty's admins are sun users and linux haters, so i don't expect anything from them.
21:05 < tsa> but i could ask the university's ftp server admin..
21:06 < hackbard> i could also ask at uni-augsburg
21:07 < hackbard> actually i am working for the physics edv betreuer ..
21:07 < huebi> tsa: In my opinion, the direct contakt to the sysadmin is more preferable. Normaly an sysadmin has to much to do and does nothing he is not forced to. To tell him something about rock or better show him a system is the much eseaer way to see the good in it and to get him giving time and ftp-space for it.
21:07 < tsa> hackbard: try it. i guess i don't want to know the traffic for ftp.rocklinux.de at all.. ;-)
21:07 < tsa> huebi: ack.
21:07 < tsa> thx
21:08 < hackbard> the problem is, that its our RZ doing all that ftp stuff i guess ..
21:08 < huebi> hackbard: You are working for the sysadmin and you have not your own monsterserver in the net *wonder*
21:08 < huebi> ts.st
21:08 < hackbard> hehe
21:09 < hackbard> well, i have root account to some hosts, we could do it the unofficial way :)
21:09 < tsa> hehe.
21:09 < huebi> better semi official . at least.
21:09 < tsa> i'm not sure if that would be good idea.
21:10 < tsa> you don't want them to charge you for traffic when they find out, do you?
21:10 < hackbard> me ?
21:10 < hackbard> :)
21:10 < huebi> hackbard: If you get 300GB outgoing traffic, it _must_ be official.
21:10 < hackbard> sure! it was just a joke
21:12 < tsa> hehe
21:13 < huebi> I knew a counterstrike ftp server here in Darmstadt. It was not as easy as thought before, but it was an official ftp server and nobody got in troubles.
21:15 < hackbard> what should i tell him if he asks me about theestimated traffic
21:16 < hackbard> or what could he ask? and what do i have to answer ;)
21:16 < tsa> huebi: we had a inofficial quake2 server in our university. it was up and running for about two years, then someone from the `soziologen` wrote about it in his `diplomarbeit` and the server was shut down..
21:17 < hackbard> *lol
21:17 < hackbard> typisch ..
21:17 < hackbard> :)
21:17 < tsa> some people just have to be shot.
21:20 * Mike1 rebooting brb
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21:26 < martin_> rxr: you are back? wuerde dich noch mal kurz wegen der tfh aufhalten wollen (muessen).
21:27 < tsa> hehe.
21:27 < rxr> re
21:27 < martin_> privat oder hier
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21:32 < tsa> hi rxr
21:33 < tsa> hm.
21:33 < tsa> nu isser wieder eingeschlafen.. ;-)
21:33 < rxr> nr
21:33 < rxr> ich habe nicht geschlagen 
21:33 < tsa> aua! ;-)
21:33 < rxr> erst habe ich mir pfannkuchen gebrutzelt und dann nachrichten gesehen ...
21:34 < rxr> er schlafen ...
21:34 < tsa> ah. ergebnis: die welt ist schlecht?
21:34 < tsa> hehe ;-)
21:34 < rxr> tsa: ja, leider ...
21:34 < martin_> es liegt an uns dieses einwenig zu aendern ...
21:35 < rxr> vielleicht sollte ich morgen mal rausgehen - und mich zu den demonstranten nebenan dazustellen ...
21:35 < rxr> tsa: du wolltest was ?
21:35 < rxr> martin_: machen wir doch ROCK linux hacken ... :-)
21:35 < tsa> ./configure --disable-boeses-zeugs
21:35 < tsa> rxr: noe, ich nicht. martin_ wollte..
21:36 < rxr> ach soo
21:36 < rxr> das haben wir doch schon erledigt (er aufgeschoben ...)
21:36 < rxr> 21:33 < tsa> hm.
21:36 < rxr> 21:33 < tsa> nu isser wieder eingeschlafen.. ;-)
21:36 < martin_> rxr: Vor der HU auf der Demo oder auf der Party ...?
21:36 < rxr> :-)
21:36 < martin_> rxr: 10 Uhr morgen!
21:37 < tsa> hm...wer demonstriert denn da grade in Berlin gegen wen?
21:37 < tsa> wegen Bush?
21:37 < martin_> jups
21:37 < tsa> achso.
21:37 < rxr> martin_: ich weiss noch wann die Rechner Architekur Vorlesung ist :-) Danke
21:37 < tsa> jo, der gehoert eigentlich abgeschafft.
21:37 < martin_> woher bist du eigentlich tsa? und wer bist du? *fg*
21:37 < rxr> tsa: ist ja gleich ein paar meter weiter :-)
21:37 < tsa> rxr: hehe.
21:38 < tsa> martin_: Hm...geboren in Hameln, derzeit wohnhaft in der Stadt, die es nicht gibt (Bielefeld).
21:38 < tsa> Aehm...wer bin ich?
21:38 < tsa> Gute frage.
21:38 < martin_> lol
21:39 < tsa> Was antwortet man normalerweise auf so eine Frage?
21:39 < tsa> Ich bin ich bin ich bin..
21:39 < rxr> tsa: du bist der offiyielle ROCK herdplatten tester :-)
21:39 < martin_> armer Student, anfang, mitte 20
21:39 < martin_> ?
21:39 < tsa> rxr: hehe
21:39 < rxr> und sicherung nachleger :-)
21:39 < tsa> martin_: Student, 23 jahre, mittelarm, da nebenbei als Sysadmin am arbeiten.
21:40 < tsa> wobei das mit dem nebenbei sich irgendwie mehr auf studieren als auf arbeiten bezieht, auch wenn es eigentlich andersrum sein sollte.
21:40 * rxr fragt sich ob das jetzt nen kontakt channel wird :-)??
21:41 * martin_ ist jetzt viel schlauer. danke tsa
21:41 < tsa> rxr: nein, ich werd' dich nicht knuddeln ;-)
21:41 < tsa> martin_: keine Ursache.
21:41 < rxr> tsa: huh? wie kommst du denn darauf *wunder*
21:41 < tsa> martin_: auf http://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/gallery liegt auch noch nen Foto rum...
21:41 < tsa> rxr: wegen kontaktchannel... ;-)
21:42 < martin_> wo bin ich hier? wahh
21:42 < tsa> hehe
21:42 < rxr> martin_: du hasst doch den STEIN ins ROLLEN grbracht :-)
21:42 < martin_> Ich stelle hier lieber nicht mehr solche Fragen ...
21:42 < tsa> *lol*
21:42 < rxr> wobei mir der artikel fuer den Rolling ROCK schmerzlich bewusst wird ....
21:43 * rxr noch nicht angefangen ...
21:44 < tsa> rxr: hast du lust, dein fetchmail-package zu updaten? (5.9.8 -> 5.9.11)
21:44 < tsa> sonst kann ich das auch machen...
21:45 < rxr> ne mach ich mal flux
21:45 < tsa> ok.
21:45 -!- freed [~neerod@pD9055A47.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:45 < tsa> cksum ist 3557818561
21:45 < tsa> hi freed
21:45 < freed> ahoi
21:46 < rxr> hm das lieght ja auf sf ..
21:46 < tsa> jupp.
21:46 < freed> hi rxr
21:46 < rxr> hi
21:47 < freed> wo waren wir denn heute ;) ?
21:47 < rxr> schlafen ...
21:48 < tsa> rxr: und schmeiss den fetchmail-lex.patch weg, der ist obsolete..
21:49 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux
21:49 < Mike1> re
21:49 < rxr> tsa: hab ich mir schoen gedacht
21:49 < huebi> re Mike1 
21:49 < rxr> stammt noch von pjort ...
21:49 < Mike1> huebi i'm burning your 1.5.15 iso :)
21:49 < huebi> Mike1: kool
21:49 < huebi> ;-)
21:49 < tsa> rxr: was stammt von pjotr?
21:52 -!- Joey [joey@luonnotar.infodrom.org] has joined #RockLinux
21:52 < Joey> Moin 
21:52 < freed> ki
21:52 < Joey> Anybody up for LinuxTag booth planning?
21:52 * Joey summons ripclaw...
21:52 < rxr> tsa: fetchmail packet ...
21:52 < rxr> tsa: so commited ...
21:53 < tsa> ah, ok.
21:53 < tsa> the lex.patch was from me.
21:53 < rxr> ah
21:53 < rxr> tsa: fetchmail should go into extra1
21:53 < tsa> i also sent it to the fetchmmail mailing list after ESR released 2 version which both had this stupid bug..
21:54 < tsa> +s
21:54 < rxr> *lol*
21:54 < Joey> Didn't esr orphan fetchmail so it can be maintained by a maint group?
21:54 < tsa> later i found out that somebody else had submitting the same patch for the previous version.
21:54 < tsa> s,ing,ed,
21:55 < rxr> tsa: nice to see that s.o. else does some typos here, too *g*
21:55 < tsa> hm....let's see...we have a maintainer and a broken program.
21:55 < tsa> someone sends in a patch.
21:55 < tsa> the patch fixes the problem, but doesn't get included.
21:55 < tsa> the next version of the program is still broken.
21:56 < tsa> why do two people have to send in two patches for two versions of the program to get such a silly damn thing fixed?
21:56 * tsa not understanding..
21:56 < tsa> *sigh*
21:56 < huebi> The mail was not in html?
21:57 < tsa> huebi: the patch? no.
21:57 < tsa> i don't know html.
21:57 < huebi> hmm. Better write it in Chinese. Witth big numbers an a fwe $ sings in it.
21:57 < tsa> setting up a web page is so much work for me, it would take me hours to complete just one mail..
21:58 < tsa> hehe
21:58 < SMP> Hallo Joey
21:58 < Joey> Aha...
21:58 < Joey> Somebody notices me...
21:58 < huebi> hi SMP 
21:58 < rxr> yeah hi Joey 
21:58 < Joey> I was just about leaving in frustration.
21:59 < SMP> was gibt's?
21:59 < Joey> SMP, do you know what is planned for your LinuxTag presence?
21:59 < Joey> All I found was this statement:
21:59 < Joey>      * Ripclaw will bring along a SparcStation 10
21:59 < Joey>      * Submissions welcome
21:59 < huebi> block 2279895: huebi/17C3/Music/mp3/Abst?rzende Brieftauben/We Break Together!!!/Abst?rzende Brieftauben - Die Kuh.mp3
21:59 < tsa> hi SMP
22:00 < tsa> huebi: MUUH!
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22:00 < tsa> re bluefire
22:01 < bluefire> Hi folks
22:01 < rxr> Joey: I' do not know much more ... - there will only be space for 2 boxes or so ...
22:01 < rxr> so the only question is: who is the one bringing a second box ...
22:01 < huebi> 2x E12K
22:01 < Joey> Ah.  Ok, well.  That's fine with me.
22:01 < tsa> huebi: hehe
22:01 < rxr> and what presentatins we will do ...
22:02 < Joey> Just don't shout if you have to stack boxes...
22:02 < rxr> huebi: ACK
22:03 * praenti <-- here again
22:03 < rxr> nice that you bring 2x E12K with you :-)
22:03 < tsa> please bring one for me, too! ;-)
22:04 < rxr> hehe I'll take the other one :-)
22:04 * tsa bestellt schon mal den Bausatz Heizkraftwerk
22:05 < Mike1> rxr you know iptables right?
22:05 < praenti> tsa: *g*
22:05 < tsa> Mit ner normalen Steckdose wird sich die kiste wohl nicht zufrieden geben.
22:05 < tsa> Mike1: where's your problem with iptables?
22:05 < rxr> Mike1: oe - yes
22:06 < Mike1> I just want to denny all the internet services to an specific ipaddress in my lan
22:06 < Mike1> tsa rxr ?
22:06 < praenti> tsa: normally strong electric. do you want two mass storage towers from amdahl?
22:06 < rxr> tsa: hier sind doch oft veranstatungen in Berlin - da lege ich mir einfach mal son nen paar kabel stakstrom in mein zimmer ....
22:06 < tsa> praenti: hehe ;-)
22:07 < tsa> Mike1: ifconfig eth0 down?
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22:07 < SMP> a-ha
22:07 < praenti> tsa: this is the strong electric component
22:07 < tsa> Mike1: or do you just want to deny incoming connections while allowing outgoing traffic?
22:07 * SMP just saw the 1.5.15 announcement
22:07 < Mike1> tsa no i need the other computers to be able to have access just one computer not
22:07 < tsa> ah...i understand.
22:08 < Mike1> tsa i just dont want that ipaddress to send or receive anything 
22:08 < tsa> iptables -A INPUT -s <ip-address-to-be-denied> -j REJECT
22:08 < SMP> Joey: any more questions? but I'll likely not be very useful
22:08 < huebi> SMP: Armijn was so kind to write the announcement ;)
22:09 < rxr> tsa: yes look good :-)
22:09 < tsa> huebi: too lazy to write it on your own? ;-)
22:09 < Mike1> tsa now i only want that machine to be able to send or receive pkgs from port 8080
22:10 < Joey> SMP: Well, no, that was my main concern since I'm forced to make final booth arrangements now.
22:10 < Joey> cu at LinuxTag
22:10 < tsa> iptables -I INPUT -s <ip-address> -p tcp --dport 8080 -j ACCEPT
22:10 < huebi> tsa: No time for that. Still to bussy with my work and rocklinux. And I hate to use Outlook.
22:11 < Mike1> tsa thanks alot
22:11 < huebi> Joey: What does that mean? -  final booth arrangements
22:11 < tomik> first accept chain, next drop chain 
22:11 < rxr> Mike1: keep care that the 2nd rule from tsa is bfore the other one ...
22:11 < tsa> Mike1: this just allows incoming traffic. to allow the answers to get back, you'll probably need a iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
22:11 < Joey> huebi: Determine the size of all booths, place them somewhere within the exdhibition hall
22:11 < tsa> rxr: that's why i used -A for the deny rule and -I for the port 8080 rule..
22:12 < huebi> Joey: can you get about 20 square metres?
22:12 < Joey> *I* can get that.
22:12 < rxr> tsa: ah ok 
22:12 < huebi> Joey: kool
22:12 < Joey> But probably not for you :)
22:12 < huebi> Joey: _do_ you get that?
22:12 < huebi> ah ok
22:13 < Mike1> rxr tsa ok , i will keep asking in a while :)
22:13 < Joey> there are some 19 other projects that cry for space and I need to make all of them happy (as in, piss them off as little as possible *sigh*)
22:13 < tsa> Mike1: sure - no problem.
22:13 < rxr> Joey: who are you ? :-)
22:13 < Joey> dunno, use /whois joey to find out
22:13 < huebi> Joey: What does it need to get a big booth?
22:14 < Mike1> tsa you know what is the port that MSN uses? i will that damn thing out of my network
22:14 < Joey> huebi: lots of stuff, something to compete with KDE
22:14 < huebi> Joey: kde uses rocklinux or tries it. 
22:15 < huebi> So rocklinux should get more space than KDE
22:15 < rxr> huebi: are you sure ? I got not that much feedback ...
22:15 < rxr> (form the kde people about the ROCK usage ...)
22:15 < huebi> I had that talk to Matze from KDE
22:15 < Joey> ehem...
22:15 < tsa> Mike1: no idea - but you could tcpdump on your gateway any try to find out..
22:16 < huebi> Joey: Yes?
22:16 < huebi> *g*
22:16 < Joey> that would mean I had to strip off a slice from the kde booth and attach it to rocklinux
22:16 < huebi> YES!
22:16 < Mike1> tsa ok thanks
22:16 < Joey> Well, let's see if that pisses off any kde guy... :)
22:17 < Joey> Ah cool... he still owes me a mail...
22:17 < huebi> Joey: We need some space for about 2020 people comeing to Linuxtag from all over the world.
22:17 < huebi> s/2020/20/
22:17 < huebi> sorry only 20
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22:19 < Joey> No, 2020 sounds good. :)
22:19 < huebi> Rocklinux just gets to be in very serious bussiness. Dresdner Bank and Allianz Assurance
22:19 < rxr> Joey: but we would not get space for 2020 people at the ROCK both +
22:20 < huebi> rxr: The will bo no booths on ROCK-Linuxtag
22:20 < huebi> *g*
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22:21 < rxr> huebi: sure :-)
22:21 < Joey> Well... no. :)
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22:21 < huebi> I want to have some very good marketing for rock linux. As good as ROCK Linux is.
22:21 < tsa> huebi: hm....they could donate some hardware because we're all working so hard..
22:21 < tsa> ;-)
22:22 < huebi> how is "they"
22:22 < huebi> ?
22:22 < rxr> huebi: Dresdner Bank and Allianz Assurance ? I guess ...
22:23 < tsa> yes.
22:23 < rxr> huebi: sure I also wanna see good PR for ROCK ...
22:23 < huebi> I can ask there. But I don't know whom
22:24 < hackbard> bye
22:24 < freed> c ya hackbard!
22:24 < hackbard> ?
22:24 * rxr still builings gcc's
22:24 < huebi> Joey: How many space can you arrage for us?
22:24 < hackbard> that was fast @ freed :p
22:25 < rxr> the GCC configure is really strange and buggy ...
22:25 < rxr> was the a tiny tool that dumps scancodes ?
22:25 < rxr> I need to get the delete backspace delete right on this sparc ...
22:26 < martin_> cu all
22:26 < martin_> cu rxr
22:26 < rxr> cu martin_ 
22:26 < huebi> Joey: are you still here?
22:26 < huebi> ;-)
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22:28 < rxr> a showkey
22:28 * huebi is waiting for the next kernel lockup on ella...
22:30 < rxr> huebi: whoa???????
22:30 < rxr> what are ya doing ??
22:31 < huebi> I just transfer 5,5 
22:31 < rxr> 5.5 ??
22:31 < huebi> I just transfer 5,5 MB/s via network on a nfs share on ella.
22:31 < rxr> bytes per hour *g*
22:32 < rxr> I transfer up to 10 MB to a RAID5 device on IDE disks via NFS often 
22:32 < rxr> and the box has a up 102 days,  5:24
22:32 < huebi> the nfs share is a RAID-0 volume over 4 80GB Maxtor diskcs on Fastrack UltraATA100 controller with xfs as fs
22:34 < huebi> But suddenly no transfer is possible any more and the load raises to over 100 (on xosview)
22:34 < huebi> top does not show the proces.
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22:36 < uninvited> nabend !
22:36 < rxr> huebi: xfs may be the prob
22:37 < huebi> rxr: I could be, but I have very good erperiences made with xfs.
22:37 < SMP> hehe
22:38 < SMP> May 20 19:37:33 brain kernel: xfs_force_shutdown(lvm(58,7),0x8) called from line 1020 of file xfs_trans.c.  Return address = 0xc01af75a
22:38 < SMP> May 20 19:37:33 brain kernel: Corruption of in-memory data detected.  Shutting down filesystem: lvm(58,7)
22:38 < SMP> May 20 19:37:33 brain kernel: Please umount the filesystem, and rectify the problem(s)
22:38 < SMP> so much for XFS ;>
22:38 < uninvited> rectify ?
22:38 < huebi> SMP: hmmm
22:38 < SMP> I suspect it's bad RAM
22:38 < rxr> why is this damn del backspace n ot working ...
22:38 < SMP> I've hat problems with that machine before
22:39 < rxr> keycode  43 = Delete           Delete
22:39 < rxr>         control keycode  43 = BackSpace
22:39 < rxr> keycode  66 = Delete           Delete
22:39 < Mike1> tsa you here?
22:39 < rxr>         control keycode  66 = BackSpace
22:39 < SMP> uninvited: http://dict.leo.org/?search=rectify&searchLoc=0&relink=on&deStem=standard&lang=en
22:40 < uninvited> smp> cool, thank yar. Haven t heard that before
22:40 < tsa> Mike1: yes
22:40 < rxr> but both are deleting like backspace - and Meta has no effect ...
22:41 < Mike1> tsa how do i restric port 1863 to to my eth0 interface?
22:41 < Mike1> tsa restric= deny :)
22:42 < tsa> Mike1: iptables -I INPUT -i eth0 -j ACCEPT
22:42 < Mike1> tsa ?
22:42 < tsa> Mike1: arhh..
22:42 < tsa> mom
22:42 < Mike1> tsa i need to deny port 1863
22:42 < rxr> Mike1: do you know what you are doing? 
22:42 < tsa> Mike1: iptables -I INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 1863 -j REJECT
22:42 < Mike1> rxr yeah sort off *g
22:43 < Mike1> rxr trying to imporve his iptables knowledge
22:44 < uninvited> looks like someone tries to block off MSN messegenger ?
22:44 < uninvited> goodie
22:44 < Mike1> uninvited off course :D
22:44 < uninvited> ;-)
22:45 < Mike1> they can use IRC if they wish to chat
22:45 < Mike1> *g
22:45 < uninvited> sounds like an fair alternative...
22:45 < Mike1> I am fair *g
22:45 < uninvited> good to here...
22:46 < tsa> hehe
22:46 < uninvited> hear...
22:46 < uninvited> ;-(
22:46 < uninvited> argh !
22:46 < Mike1> und tsa is contributing with the cause :)
22:46 < tsa> Mike1: i'll send you an invoice for consulting ;-)
22:46 < huebi> hmmm. reboot. fuck
22:46 < huebi> ;(
22:47 < Mike1> tsa sure ;) i'll pass it to my boss 
22:47 < tsa> Mike1: hehe ;-)
22:48 < uninvited> "the best things in life are free, but you can give it to the birds and bees --- i want money !" - you know that song @ tsa ?
22:48 < uninvited> ;-)
22:48 < tsa> uninvited: hehe...lol
22:48 < tsa> never heard of it before..
22:48 < uninvited> its cool...get a dl
22:49 * tsa looking on audiogalaxy
22:49 < uninvited> i think the best version is from roxy music or like that-
22:49 < tsa> ok.
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22:51 * uninvited is taking a shower now - meanwhile a download commencing from http://download.rocklinux.de
22:53 < rxr> *** The GNU C library is currently not available for this platform.
22:53 < rxr> *** So far nobody cared to port it and if there is no volunteer it
22:53 < rxr> *** might never happen.  So, if you have interest to see glibc on
22:53 < rxr> *** this platform visit
22:53 < rxr> ***     http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/porting.html
22:53 < rxr> *** and join the group of porters
22:53 < rxr> *lol*
22:54 < rxr> typo in my build script --host= ... sure platform "" doesn't exist ...
23:04 * praenti sleeping
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23:46 < tsa_> re
23:46 < tsa_> hm...mein provider mag mich nich.
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23:52 < rxr> when atexit is an unresovled symbol might this be caused by a broken binutils ?
23:52 < rxr> (no - no sparc ...)
23:52 < rxr> Intel build ...
23:53 < tsa> hm...sounds like a glibc problem.
23:53 < tsa> atexit is stdlib.h
23:53 < tsa> which is from glibc, afaik.
23:54 < rxr> no on older binutils works :-)
23:54 < rxr> just finished ;-)
23:54 < rxr> tsa: but thanks for you info :-)
23:55 < rxr> may be I should set up a box which builds the latest gcc glibc and binutils and reports miscompilation imidiately to the GNU hackers ...
23:56 < tsa> hehe
23:58 < uninvited2> n8
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