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--- Log opened Wed May 22 00:00:06 2002
--- Day changed Wed May 22 2002
00:10 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux
00:10 < Mike1> re
00:10 < hackbard> wb miguel
00:10 < tsa> re Mike1
00:13 < Mike1> I have a very weird cituation with my webserver, i defined a .htaccess which auth to /etc/user.pass but some how the .htaccess executes but never authenticates any ideas?
00:14 < tsa> AuthUserFile /etc/user.pass
00:14 < tsa> AuthGroupFile /dev/null
00:14 < th> AllowOverride not set for AuthConfig.
00:15 < tsa> AuthName "By administrating"
00:15 < tsa> AuthType Basic
00:15 < tsa> all set?
00:15 < Mike1> yup
00:15 < tsa> require user <username>
00:15 < th> Mike1: just try to include AllowOverride All for the directory the .htaccess is in
00:15 < Mike1> done
00:16 < Mike1> ok mom
00:16 < tsa> rxr: still awake?
00:17 < tsa> rxr: xpdf 1.01 released
00:22 < tsa> *gaehn*
00:24 -!- ripclaw [~ripclaw@pD9E1CD6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
00:24 < ripclaw> hi
00:24 < tsa> hi ripclaw..
00:24 < ripclaw> need project and hardware suggestions for lxtag - will be gone again soon.
00:24 < ripclaw> hi tsa.
00:25 < tsa> hm..
00:25 < tsa> hanging around the booth, answering questions of people.
00:26 < tsa> anyone doing a speech on rock?
00:26 < ripclaw> speech --> deadlines :-/
00:26 < tsa> hm..
00:26 < tsa> ok
00:26 < tsa> no other ideas so far.
00:26 < ripclaw> i heard someone doing a MIPS port... can they already show stuff ?
00:26 < Mike1> hi Mister ripclaw :D
00:27 < bluefire> ripclaw: hi
00:27 < ripclaw> hi
00:27 < tsa> ripclaw: hm...fake got a indy or something. but i don't know how far he got with rock..
00:28 < ripclaw> me neither. but i have a indy and others too.
00:28 < tsa> hardware: hm... two machines for presentation at the booth, i'd suggest
00:28 < ripclaw> do you bring 2 machines ?
00:29 < tsa> hm...currently i don't know it i should bring any machines at all.
00:29 < tsa> s,it,if
00:29 < SMP> hi ripclaw
00:29 < ripclaw> joey has a magic formula, something like "total/(people*hardware)=booth" or something..
00:29 < ripclaw> hi SMP. booth projects, other ideas ?
00:29 < SMP> project: space for my laptop and an ethernet jack ;p
00:30 < tsa> an x86 box with the fresh 1.5.15 would be ok, IMHO.
00:30 < tsa> any other arch available?
00:31 < ripclaw> tsa: any sparc I can carry, if no one objects. but i don`t want to be it all alone.
00:31 < ripclaw> SMP: hopefully with rock 1.7 or 1.5.15 on it ?
00:31 < SMP> 1.4.0R2+hacks
00:32 < ripclaw> SMP: btw - where do the releases of the tree go ? i never seen one lately.
00:32 < tsa> ripclaw: hm...shouldn't be the slowest machine. we could ask huebi for the u30
00:32 < SMP> because there wasn't
00:33 < tsa> big monitors would fill up the booth quickly. can we get tft's anywhere?
00:33 < ripclaw> tsa: there are some reasons not to use a machine above 400 mhz... -> kernel problems. i`ld like to see a fast box, but i don`t know wether huebi likes the idea.
00:33 < ripclaw> tsa: u5`s now are enough supply.
00:34 < ripclaw> tsa: TFT=problem with sun, they need to have 1152x900 resolution, which are just a few ($$$$$)
00:34 < ripclaw> SMP: why not ?
00:34 < SMP> -ENOTIME
00:34 < tsa> ripclaw: i still have to speak with holyolli how long we're going to stay in karlsruhe. i could bring my u10 which needs to be reinstalled anyway.
00:35 < tsa> won't bring my 19" crt. too heavy.
00:35 < ripclaw> SMP: retval fork(SMP);
00:35 < ripclaw> tsa: thats a good idea - we can still use serial console, but a sparc install party or such would be cool.
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00:36 < tsa> ripclaw: can we get some space for a developer's corner? there won't fit too many people in the booth, i guess.
00:36 < ripclaw> SMP: can you try to just upload snapshots of what 1.4 you use ?
00:36 < SMP> ECHIQSNOAVAIL
00:36 < SMP> ripclaw: that would be pretty useless ATM
00:37 < tsa> place for 6-7 computers+people would be fine.
00:37 < ripclaw> tsa: i don`t know. joey may not like it - he already barfs at 4x4 meters. something about "segmentation violation" etc...
00:37 < tsa> *sigh*
00:37 < ripclaw> SMP: hmpf. was already excited about another 1.4 release.
00:37 < SMP> maybe I can catch up a bit with 1.4 at LT
00:38 < ripclaw> SMP: that would qualify as a project :-)
00:38 < SMP> hehehe
00:38 < ripclaw> SMP: may i enter that ?
00:38 < SMP> yes.
00:38 < tsa> ok, i'll bring the u10. will try to get a scsi disk till lxtag.
00:38 < SMP> I need 1 square metre;>
00:38 < ripclaw> tsa: may I enter "sparc linux install-party" also ?
00:39 < tsa> ripclaw: if we get more than just one machine, sure..
00:39 < tsa> and someone should bring a current sparc rock
00:39 < ripclaw> i have a few in my basement - latest count has 2 digits. i know more than one person bringing one.
00:39 < tsa> ok.
00:39 < ripclaw> we need cdrom burners.
00:40 < ripclaw> and pre-burned cdroms of intel. we`ll do sparc on the fly.
00:40 < tsa> hm..perhaps even somebody will be able to fix the problem my u10 still has lxtag. ;-)
00:40 < ripclaw> i can also bring an alpha or two, and a g3 laptop, if it all goes right.
00:40 < tsa> hm.
00:41 < tsa> if i bring my x86 machine, too, we have one more cd burner and 12gb mp3z ;-)
00:41 < ripclaw> tsa: please send me a problem description to my work mail adress, if not already done. if you have solaris, try getting explorer (SUNWexplorer)
00:41 < tsa> ripclaw: ack.
00:41 < ripclaw> tsa: yes, music is a good idea. maybe i get an overhead, too.
00:42 < ripclaw> more variable than posters.
00:42 < tsa> hehe
00:42 < ripclaw> 1.5 cvs is down. ...
00:43 < tsa> hm..
00:43 < tsa> ripclaw: i could ask holyolli to bring his alpha (DS20), too..
00:43 < ripclaw> grmml.. wanted to look at the sparc patches. tsa: PLEEEZ.
00:44 < tsa> ok.
00:44 * ripclaw purrs.
00:44 < ripclaw> nice hardware !!
00:44 < rxr> ripclaw: I can present 1.7 on my intel laptop
00:45 < rxr> (but it is a no-name one ....)
00:45 < ripclaw> rxr: overly cool. project !!!
00:45 < tsa> ok, so we'll probably install rock on everything that is able to add two numbers.
00:45 < ripclaw> yesss... anyone already ported it to 6502 cpu`s ? (no task switching)
00:45 < tsa> holyolli has a sony vaio. running RH at the moment (ARGH, i know). i'll tell him to bring that one, too.
00:46 < ripclaw> sluuuurch. its rock.
00:46 < tsa> ripclaw: uhm...no. but i developed an asynchronous 6502 in VHDL at university about a year ago.
00:47 < tsa> no hardware implementation, though..
00:47 -!- clifford_ [~clifford@M127P020.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
00:47 < tsa> (too expensive)
00:47 < tsa> hi clifford_
00:47 < ripclaw> cool ! - can you GPL the plans :-) ??
00:47 < ripclaw> hi cliff
00:48 < tsa> hehe. no, i can't. since it's an university project, the rights belong to the university.
00:48 < ripclaw> so what they gonna do with it - let it rust in peace ?
00:48 < tsa> yes.
00:48 < SMP> (which is perverted in itself)
00:48 < tsa> hehe.
00:49 < tsa> ok, back to lxtag.
00:49 < tsa> any other suggestions?
00:49 < tsa> as it seems, we'll have about at ton of hardware, at least.
00:49 < tsa> -t
00:49 < ripclaw> MIPS - it`ld be cool to have some mipsen. clifford - do you know the status ?
00:50 < tsa> send a mail to fake@bingo-ev.de ..
00:50 < tsa> hm...
00:51 < tsa> holyolli has an indy r4400, too. but it's running irix ATM.
00:51 < ripclaw> bafu, irix.... argls.
00:51 < tsa> hehe
00:51 * ripclaw does the technicolor yawn
00:51 < tsa> ripclaw: what about network equipment - do we need anything?
00:51 < ripclaw> must.... install.... linux....
00:52 < ripclaw> tsa: yes.
00:52 < SMP> hmmm
00:52 < tsa> ripclaw: ok. i have a 3com 24port switch.
00:52 < ripclaw> i suppose we need 8-16 ports, prefferable 100mbt.
00:52 < ripclaw> ACK !!!
00:52 < tsa> ok.
00:52 < ripclaw> firewall ?
00:52 < SMP> I'll bring a cisco catalyst 2924xl-en? ;)
00:52 < ripclaw> ok...
00:52 < SMP> 3com sucks anyway
00:52 < tsa> SMP: hehe
00:52 < bluefire> Good night
00:52 < ripclaw> SMP: i have a few cellplexes lying around.... :-)
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00:53 < ripclaw> ok, so we have a 24 port switch from tsa and a cisco 2924... ?
00:53 < ripclaw> SMP: does the cisco do firewalling _and_ switching, or will we need an extra box ?
00:54 < tsa> everyone is to bring his own cables. although it would be nice to have some spares.
00:54 < ripclaw> i may be able to bring a few spares.
00:54 < tsa> ok.
00:54 < tsa> (this is getting pretty productive ;-)
00:54 < ripclaw> :-)=
00:54 < SMP> ripclaw: just a switch!
00:54 < SMP> with VLANs tough
00:54 < SMP> though
00:54 < ripclaw> ok we`ll need a firewall still.
00:55 < ripclaw> vlans is great for the install & leech thing.
00:55 < SMP> I still have that trusty 486 OpenBSD thingie ;)
00:55 < SMP> time for some 3.1 install and pf
00:55 < tsa> hm...perhaps we have an unused cisco 1700 at work - will check.
00:56 < SMP> tsa: eeeek
00:56 < tsa> hehe
00:56 < SMP> 17x0 = 'Plastebomber'
00:56 < ripclaw> SMP: great - haven`t seen the box in a while. we`ll likely have cdroms, too. gotta ask wim.
00:56 < tsa> ich weiss. aber wenn ich unseren uplink abbaue, gibbet mecker ;-)
00:57 < SMP> ripclaw: will he be around for sure?
00:57 < ripclaw> warning - this means openbsd cdroms. rock cdroms will have to be burned - production will not finish in time.
00:57 < ripclaw> SMP: seems he`ll not be, he even asked me to sell in the name of the daemon :-)
00:57 < tsa> hm..
00:57 < tsa> blank CD's?
00:57 < SMP> oh
00:58 < tsa> who'll bring them?
00:58 < SMP> blank CDs are useless
00:58 < SMP> we need to have all CDs burned before LT
00:58 < tsa> SMP: do you want to print out the iso's? ;-)
00:58 < SMP> which I can't do this year
00:59 < tsa> any estimates on how many we're gonna need?
00:59 < SMP> n*100
00:59 < tsa> ;)
00:59 < SMP> 1<n<3
00:59 < tsa> ah, ok.
01:00 < ripclaw> SMP: i try to get a cdrom copier and a set of burnt cdroms.
01:01 < ripclaw> we need `ll need source and binary cdroms, binary is base, source is base, opt, ext.
01:01 < rxr> we need some poster about the project ...
01:01 < ripclaw> we`ll do sparc cdroms on the fly.
01:02 < ripclaw> rxr - posters might be problem, since they need printing. i`ll try to get a overhead + computer adapter from carlos.
01:04 < ripclaw> ok, any volunteers for cdroms ?
01:04 < tsa> hm...we could really need some sponsors donating some money.
01:04 < rxr> ripclaw: not many posters - only one for the booth ...
01:04 < ripclaw> tsa: i will give e.g. for the cdroms.
01:04 < ripclaw> i always paid for the posters, etc.
01:04 < rxr> some overview + test ...
01:04 < tsa> hm...
01:04 < ripclaw> except when cliff jumped in.
01:05 < tsa> holyolli hast access to an A0 color plotter.
01:05 < tsa> -t
01:05 < ripclaw> rxr idea what you want on there ?
01:05 < tsa> could perhaps be useful for making posters.
01:05 < rxr> the logo + some explaining text ...
01:05 < ripclaw> tsa, rxr - can anyone of you supply me with a poster content ? i don`t have time to make that up.
01:06 < ripclaw> i can translate, but not think it up... DE +EN
01:06 < tsa> ripclaw: uhm...i suck at gfx design.
01:06 < ripclaw> i`ll give the stuff to a pro gfx person i know personally.
01:06 < rxr> tsa: ok maybe we both can make s.th. the next days ...
01:06 < ripclaw> i just need a text and maybe [put picture.jpg here]
01:06 < rxr> ripclaw: ok or this ...
01:06 < tsa> btw..
01:06 < ripclaw> who will do the poster stuff - rxr + tsa ?
01:07 < tsa> ripclaw: can you get me a user/pass for https://www.infodrom.org/LinuxTag/?
01:07 < ripclaw> i can add a section on sparc
01:07 < ripclaw> tsa: yes.
01:07 < tsa> ripclaw: i'm too stupid to use gimp, but perhaps i can make some suggestions.
01:07 < tsa> rxr: can you use gimp?
01:07 < tsa> ripclaw: cool. what information do you need?
01:08 < ripclaw> first, i need to lookup my password :-)
01:08 < rxr> tsa: yes
01:08 < tsa> hahaha
01:08 < rxr> but gimp is not really usefull for large scale posters ...
01:08 < tsa> rxr: ok. so i guess we can make some poster stuff - with the help of all the other ppl on #rocklinux, shouldn't be too much a problem..
01:09 < rxr> you need vector drawing for this ...
01:09 < rxr> tsa: yes ok
01:11 < ripclaw> rxr, tsa - try to create the content, raw ascii text. i`ll give it to a gfx person, or one of us will do the thing. in doubt, we can still use html.
01:12 < tsa> hehe...ok
01:12 < ripclaw> da* - never remember the password when you need it.
01:12 < SMP> anyone here know how to print an ASCII text on a paper sheet in a custom shape? such that the letters form a smily e.g.?
01:13 < tsa> hm...is there a cheap possibility to sleep at lxtag? place for a sleeping bag would be sufficent.
01:13 < ripclaw> SMP: aalib ?
01:13 < SMP> ugh
01:13 < SMP> something like banner, but with a custom text ..
01:13 < ripclaw> list: sleeping possibilities are in a "turnhalle", iirc.
01:14 < tsa> ok, that's sufficient.
01:16 < hackbard> ripclaw: tell more ... ;)
01:16 < hackbard> hi btw
01:16 < rxr> hackbard: I just rsynced a 1.7 which should again work
01:16 < hackbard> rxr: cool, i ll check it out tommorrow as i have to leave soon ..
01:17 < ripclaw> tsa: you`ld have to mention that to joey@linuxtag.org and cc me for the turnhalle, since i haven`t got my password for the site and re-applied with joey.
01:17 < ripclaw> hi hackbard.
01:17 < hackbard> gammaspektroskopie morgen frueh .. :(
01:17 < tsa> ok.
01:17 < hackbard> hi!
01:17 * ripclaw hasn`t got enough radiation dose...
01:18 < rxr> tsa: when you write a mail, could you ask for a place for me, too :-)
01:18 < hackbard> hehe, i ll catch some fast neutrons for you tommorrow
01:18 < ripclaw> :wq
01:18 < rxr> tnx ...
01:18 < ripclaw> oops
01:18 < ripclaw> ok, tsa, rxr, hackbard - sporthalle - that correct ?
01:19 < hackbard> i just wanted to join linuxtag for one day, but if there is a cheap possibility to rest i ll stay longer and could also bring hardware ..
01:19 < hackbard> cool!
01:19 < hackbard> yes
01:19 < tsa> ripclaw: ack.
01:19 < tsa> ripclaw: i think holyolli will prefer the turnhalle to sleeping in his VW bulli, too.
01:19 < rxr> hackbard: the .ast snap of mine had a broken binutils which caused many packages to fail ...
01:20 < ripclaw> rxr: chinese ?
01:20 < tsa> ripclaw: mail to joey@linuxtag - german or english?
01:20 < hackbard> rxr: ahh, there have been many ld problems .. do i remmeber correctly?
01:20 < ripclaw> any or both. he understands both.
01:20 < tsa> ok.
01:21 < ripclaw> i`ll note that on the pages.
01:21 < rxr> hackbard: mostly unresolved symbol atexit ...
01:22 < hackbard> hmm, then i made some other mistakes too
01:23 < hackbard> rxr: do you bring ur sparc?
01:24 < ripclaw> PLEASE MARK your SPARC....
01:24 < hackbard> may/should i bring it though ?
01:24 < hackbard> or are there enough
01:25 < tsa> hehe
01:25 < rxr> hackbard: I think no. I will travel by train (I think) so i do not wanna carry too much ...
01:25 < ripclaw> enough... ? explanation ?
01:26 < hackbard> enough hardware already on linuxtag
01:26 < hackbard> as i heard we lack of space ..
01:26 < ripclaw> enough... ? explanation ? whats that word meaning anyway :-)
01:26 < tsa> ripclaw: mail to joey - cc: ripclaw@rocklinux.org?
01:26 < rxr> I'll bring my Celeron Lappy for 1.7 demonstration, running 2.5 ...
01:26 < hackbard> hehe
01:26 < ripclaw> hackbard: if yo ask me, i never ahve enough
01:26 < ripclaw> tsa: ACK
01:27 < tsa> ok.
01:27 < ripclaw> rxr: arrival & departure dates ?
01:27 < rxr> ripclaw: i have not yet made a plan ...
01:27 < ripclaw> Avialable for talk at the booth 06.06.-09.06.2002
01:27 < ripclaw> ?
01:28 < tsa> mail's out.
01:28 < ripclaw> tsa: thnx.
01:28 < tsa> no problem.
01:28 < ripclaw> rxr - i`ll add the standard text and a "not sure about dates" ?
01:28 < tsa> hm...arrival/departure...still have to plan this with holyolli.
01:29 < tsa> probably 7.6-9.6
01:30 < ripclaw> btw - joey expects booth setup to begin at 0600 local on wednesday (mittwoch), and to be finished at 0800 thursday.
01:30 < rxr> ripclaw: i could be there the most time (If there is some cheap space in the sporthall or @ huebi ...)
01:30 < ripclaw> we`ll take freedom to do that anyway :-)
01:30 < tsa> rxr: do you want a copy of the mail to joey?
01:30 < rxr> tsa: sure why not :-)
01:30 < ripclaw> rxr: huebi said he would be there one day - i can try to coord for hotel floorspace.
01:30 < tsa> rxr: ok.
01:31 < hackbard> do we have to reserve space in the turnhalle (or is that already managed by tsa's mail?) ?
01:31 < tsa> hackbard: i sent a mail to joey asking for place for 5-6 people.
01:31 < ripclaw> OR. (=its ok with the mail, i think, or i have to set your status to halle in the tool)
01:32 < hackbard> okay, cool!
01:32 < tsa> rxr: mail forwarded to rene@rocklinux.org.
01:33 < ripclaw> tsa: what do you want to have entered for in the speciality field ?
01:33 < tsa> uhm...don't know - messing things up? ;)
01:34 < tsa> rock linux organisational supplement ;-)
01:34 < tsa> no idea.
01:34 < ripclaw> ROCK Ports Installfest and general organisational supplement
01:34 < ripclaw> ack ?
01:34 < tsa> ack.
01:34 < ripclaw> holyolly... what do i put in here.
01:35 < tsa> Rock alpha port and orga stuff.
01:36 < hackbard> ripclaw: btw, has the money arrived ?
01:37 < ripclaw> ack. need only to fill in hackbard and upload.
01:37 < ripclaw> hackbard: didn`t check. mom.
01:38 < tsa> ok. did you enter any kind of contact email?
01:38 < ripclaw> hackbard: booking date 15.05.2002 - its not been booked. might already be there.
01:38 < hackbard> hmm, it should!! :)
01:39 < ripclaw> hackbard: please enter your linuxtag task/occupation - i`ll have to bug accounting about the money.
01:39 < ripclaw> accounting = takes some time.
01:39 < hackbard> pls report .o0[dady and homebanking ...]
01:39 < hackbard> okay
01:40 < hackbard> hmm, rock-user :)
01:40 < hackbard> isnt that enough? :)
01:40 < ripclaw> hackbard: do not worry, i don`t eat people...
01:40 < tsa> LOL
01:40 < hackbard> hehe, okay
01:40 < ripclaw> ok - will add so.
01:40 < ripclaw> that was Zirkelberd, iirc.
01:41 < ripclaw> s/rd/rg/
01:41 < hackbard> s/berd/bach/
01:41 < ripclaw> ack
01:41 < hackbard> berg would be cool - ZirkelROCK :-))
01:41 * ripclaw has brain already entering sleep();
01:42 < ripclaw> hackbard - arrive and depart date ?
01:42 < hackbard> if i have a car early enough i may arrive on thursday, else friday - till sunday
01:44 < hackbard> i think the only one near me is esden, maybe we can also drive together ..
01:44 < hackbard> esden: still awake?
01:44 < ripclaw> ack - esden has a car, afaik
01:44 -!- pica [~joan@213-97-212-86.uc.nombres.ttd.es] has joined #rocklinux
01:45 < hackbard> i will ask him tommorrow
01:45 < hackbard> okay, i go to bed now - n8 all and see ya soon.
01:46 < pica> rxr: 'chmod a+r ftp://drocklinux.dyndns.org/drock/pkg-archive/kde-i18n-fr-3.0.1.tar.bz2' please ;)
01:46 < ripclaw> ok. linuxtag pages have been updated, and will be agian in 5 minutes. new mail has been added - see mail directory
01:46 < ripclaw> https://www.rocklinux.org/people/ripclaw/projects/de-rock-lxtag/2002/mails/
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01:48 < rxr> pica: mom
01:50 < rxr> pica: done
01:50 * tsa reading
01:53 < ripclaw> rxr - gpg keysigning at linuxtag ?
01:54 < tsa> hm..good idea.
01:54 < rxr> jups
01:54 < ripclaw> ok, will put that on the project page. print out gpg keys and bring them along :-)
01:55 < ripclaw> sorry, fingerprints....
01:56 * rxr switched the third box on ...
01:56 < tsa> hehe
01:57 < ripclaw> hm... there is no picture of hackbard anywhere...
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02:02 < rxr> tsa: my lappy compiling the latest 2.5 kernel *g*&
02:03 < tsa> hehe..
02:03 < ripclaw> 80 seconds til next upload of rockers, accomodation, projects and front page of linuxtag
02:06 < rxr> ripclaw: where is this page
02:06 < ripclaw> https://www.rocklinux.org/people/ripclaw/projects/de-rock-lxtag/2002/2002.html
02:07 < ripclaw> the rest is in the links box at the bottom or in the mail link.
02:07 < rxr> ahok
02:07 < ripclaw> improvement suggestions ?
02:09 < tsa> yes.
02:09 < ripclaw> ??
02:09 < tsa> huebi said he will attend.
02:09 < ripclaw> i have no when, etc...
02:09 * tsa neither.
02:09 < ripclaw> will change the entry.
02:09 < tsa> ok.
02:10 < tsa> # tsa will bring audio gear for the pc. <- hm...
02:10 < tsa> i can bring 12gb mp3z.
02:10 < tsa> but speakers...hm..
02:11 < ripclaw> i can bring speakers.
02:11 < tsa> ok
02:12 < rxr> tsa: are you travling by car ?
02:12 < tsa> rxr: i'll drive with holyolli, he has a vw bulli.
02:13 < rxr> ah so
02:14 < tsa> hm...did i already eat something this evening?
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02:14 < tsa> hm...no, i didn't.
02:14 < ripclaw> tsa: according to the howling of the stomach - no.
02:14 * tsa looking for food.
02:14 < tsa> hehe
02:14 < ripclaw> eek !
02:14 * ripclaw runs for a tree
02:16 < tsa> lol.
02:17 < rxr> ok pl. cu later n8
02:17 < tsa> ok, i've found something.
02:17 < tsa> you're safe.
02:17 < tsa> cu rxr
02:17 < rxr> verhungere uns nicht tsa :-)
02:17 * ripclaw wipes the sweat of the forehead
02:17 < tsa> let's talk on the poster stuff tomorrow.
02:18 < rxr> jups cu
02:18 < ripclaw> uuuh - safe.
02:18 < ripclaw> cu
02:18 < ripclaw> i updated the page a final time.
02:18 < tsa> ok.
02:19 < tsa> looks ok.
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02:20 < tsa> re clifford_
02:20 < ripclaw> re clifford
02:20 < ripclaw> clifford - cdroms wird nichts mit presse, erst spaeter.
02:20 < tsa> clifford_: awake or is this just your client auto-rejoining?
02:20 < ripclaw> sowohl sane als auch lxtag
02:21 < tsa> hm...
02:21 < tsa> das war wohl nix.
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02:21 < tsa> ripclaw: Antwort von joey ist da..
02:21 < ripclaw> ok, gut jetzt, ich geh pennen, muss um 8 zum kunden. tsa ?
02:22 < tsa> jupp?
02:22 < ripclaw> antwort ok ?
02:22 < tsa> jo.
02:22 * ripclaw checking mail
02:22 < tsa> Also: Einfach die relevanten Tage anknipsen und Als Nightplace "Stadion"
02:22 < tsa> eintragen, dann passt das.
02:22 < ripclaw> ja ja - erstmal einloggen koennen. eigene dummheit tut soo verdammt weh.
02:22 < tsa> hehe ;-)
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02:23 < tsa> hi praenti
02:23 < ripclaw> You have new mail (5138 messages...
02:23 < ripclaw> ack.
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02:23 < ripclaw> must be "enter the floodgate" again.
02:23 < tsa> ok, ich werde denn wohl auch mal pennen gehen...
02:23 < tsa> bis morgen oder so.
02:24 < tsa> ;)
02:24 < tsa> cu.
02:24 < ripclaw> n8
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03:39 < Mike1> who
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04:39 < d3m|away> im at mike1's office, cu
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06:16 < d3m|away> re
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07:52 < d3mian> hi [-dalai-]
07:52 < d3mian> wie geht es dir mein freund?
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07:57 < bluefire> Moin
07:58 < d3mian> hi bluefire
08:05 < rxr> re
08:08 < d3mian> hi rxr
08:16 < rxr> hi d3mian
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09:14 < th> moin
09:14 < th> huebi: schon wach?
09:14 < d3mian> hi th
09:14 < th> rocklinux.dyndns.org seems down
09:16 < rxr> i th
09:22 * SMP schaut muede in den channel
09:23 < SMP> th: Samstag Linuxtag Madgeburg. keine ROCK Veranstaltung, aber bist du evtl. trotzdem da?
09:23 < SMP> hrm. Magdeburg heisst es
09:28 < th> SMP: eigentlich bin ich samstag in WR
09:28 < th> SMP: bist du in MD?
09:31 < SMP> jo.
09:31 < SMP> 'in WR'? was issn hier?
09:31 < SMP> hier ist doch nix.
09:31 < SMP> ;)
09:32 < th> SMP: naja oben am brocken bei meinem lieblings motos ;)
09:32 < th> SMP: aber das ist auch absagable...
09:32 < SMP> verschiebungskompatibel
09:33 < SMP> naja, musst du wissen ob du Bock auf MDLT hast
09:37 < th> sven guckes wird ja da sein
09:39 < huebi> re
09:39 < huebi> Moep
09:39 < d3mian> hi huebi
09:40 < huebi> hi d3mian
09:40 < th> hi huebi, wassen mit rocklinux.dyndns.org los?
09:40 < rxr> cu later
09:40 < th> btw, SMP wann koennen wir cvs auf world angehen?
09:40 < SMP> th: und Sven Grundwald von Openrouter Proj. - den kenn ich vom letzten LT in Stg. noch
09:41 < huebi> th: Scheiss Telekom. DSL ist gestoert und die sind zu dumm, die Leitung wieder hin zu kriegen.
09:41 < th> SMP: sven grunwald kenn ich von der uni... der haelt ein paar uebungen ;)
09:41 < th> huebi: saecke, die
09:41 < SMP> glib2 is libglib.so.2 ?
09:41 < SMP> th: huh ;-O
09:41 < th> SMP: da ist er "witzig"
09:42 < SMP> der ist cool. redet zwar manchmal etwas ueber die Wahrheit hinueber
09:43 < th> jo
09:43 < SMP> wg. CVS.. ich werd nochmal ne mail an die mailingliste schreiben, was sich die Leute so dabei vorstellen.
09:43 * huebi ist Kaffe jagen
09:44 < SMP> ich werd mich nicht im CVS bemuehen, wenn das dann doch wieder vergammelt
09:45 < th> SMP: ich will doch als ersten schritt einfach nur huebis cvs auf world moven
09:45 < th> wegen der stabilitaet
09:45 < th> und anbindungsqualitaet
09:46 < SMP> ahh gut.
09:46 < huebi> th: ACK
09:47 < th> SMP: ich will auf keinen fall irgendwelchen leuten irgendwelche CVS richtlinien aufdraengen
09:47 < th> das endet nur wieder in bekannten diskussionen
09:55 < SMP> aehm ja
09:56 < SMP> ich wuerde sagen ich geb dir erstmal einen Account
09:56 < SMP> sag mir nen usernamen und wegen Passwort -ehm-
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09:56 < SMP> kopier eine Datei mit dem initialen Passwort auf hbsn@alanis?
09:57 < d3mian> culater
09:57 < huebi> cu d3mian
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09:57 < huebi> SMP: md5 hash zum reinkopieren?
09:57 < SMP> oder so
09:57 < SMP> oder per Fax oder SMS oder $ismiregal
10:02 < huebi> ismiregal <- tuerkisch?
10:06 < th> SMP: md5hash per sms... ok
10:06 < th> ;)
10:06 < SMP> na du musst es ja tippen ;-]
10:06 < SMP> ach nee.
10:06 < SMP> SMS gateway ;>
10:07 < th> jo eben ;)
10:09 < th> SMP: und sag mir ne stelle wo das cvsroot hinsoll
10:14 < SMP> /home/rockcvs/cvs ?
10:16 < th> klingt fair ;)
10:18 < huebi> Ich lade nachhern den kompletten CVS-Tree in mein $HOME auf world. Muss ich erst wieder von Band zureuck nudeln ;-)
10:19 < huebi> Das Problem mit dem haengenden Kernel habe ich jetzt wohl gefunden.
10:19 < huebi> auf ella
10:21 < huebi> Ich habe die slice size des RAID-0 von 128K auf 32K verkleinert, welches aber keinen Einfluss haben duerfte. Dann habe ich xfs durch reiserfs ersetzt und schon ca 100GB zurueck gespielt. Kein "Aussetzer" mehr.
10:30 < th> huebi: vom band zurueck?
10:30 < th> heisst das wieder ein paar commits verloren?
10:31 < huebi> th: Ich habe heute morgen einfach alles, was ich von Rocklinux habe, auf band gesichert.
10:31 < th> heute morgen.
10:31 < th> das ist ok
10:31 < huebi> th: nein, nichts verlohren
10:32 < huebi> also alles, was nach dem Netzausfall auf meinem Rechner war, habe ich auf Band geschrieben und mit zur Arbeit genommen.
10:32 < huebi> -h
10:32 < th> gut
10:33 < huebi> Ich brauche das alles hier und jetzt kann ich den cvstree auch auf world schieben
10:33 < huebi> den ganz aktuellen!
10:34 < SMP> EGRAMMAR
10:34 < th> echt?
10:34 < huebi> jo, SMP ?
10:34 < th> plonk
10:34 < huebi> <- versteht nur Bahnhof ;)
10:37 < huebi> SMP: Was geht ab ?
10:37 < th> plonk
10:37 < huebi> th: und bei dir?
10:37 < th> huebi: ich spiele gerade plonk melder.
10:38 < th> und SMP war wohl grammar-checker
10:38 < huebi> th was heisst das?
10:38 < th> zusammen sind wir ein unschlagbares team
10:38 < th> ich plonke . ich nicht.
10:38 < th> "foo ?" vs. "foo?"
10:39 < huebi> <- versteht immer noch nur Bahnhof
10:40 < th> huebi: das leerzeichen vor dem satzschlusszeichen.
10:40 < huebi> th: was ist damit?
10:40 < SMP> das heisst plenk
10:41 < SMP> nicht plonk
10:41 < SMP> das ist was anderes
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10:41 < SMP> aber ich habe den Satz von huebi oben mittlerweile sinnhaft parsen koennen
10:41 < huebi> <- hat 'ne Tischturbine aka Exabyte Mammoth
10:41 < bluefire> re
10:42 < huebi> hi bluefire
10:42 < huebi> 10:33 < huebi> Ich brauche das alles hier und jetzt kann ich den cvstree auch auf world schieben <- fehlt ein Komma vor dem und.
10:42 < th> huebi: auf deinem cvs hattest du doch keinen sshcomd fuer mich installiert, oder?
10:43 < huebi> th: nur einen sshd auf Port 22. Zusaetslich zu dem auf Port 443
10:44 < th> aber das war doch auch ein openssh?
10:44 < huebi> th: Ja, genau der gleiche OpenSSHd mit local root exploit
10:45 < th> ok ;)
10:45 < th> welche version war das?
10:46 < huebi> die letzte vor 3.1p1
10:46 < th> ok
10:47 < th> ich war nur inkompatibel mit dem bisherigen auf world
10:47 < th> was publickeyauth angeht
10:47 < huebi> Zusaetzlich hatte ich noch einen pserver ueber inetd fuer anonymous cvs checkuot/update eingerichtet.
10:48 < th> das sollte aber nicht sein
10:48 < huebi> inetd oder pserver?
10:50 < th> pserver
10:52 < SMP> naja, read-only iss mir das lieber als nen anonymous ssh user
10:56 < SMP> hrrmmm
10:57 < SMP> <0>stefanp@world[~](504)$ /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep -E '^[^ ]|(bytes)'
10:57 < SMP> eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:60:08:56:54:DC
10:57 < SMP> RX bytes:223656672 (213.2 Mb) TX bytes:761796154 (726.5 Mb)
10:57 < SMP> that's quite a funny reality
10:57 < SMP> this file
10:57 < SMP> -rw-r--r-- 1 huebi users 552M May 21 17:12 rock-intel-i586-base+opt-1.5.15.iso
10:57 < SMP> has gone RX one time and TX even several times
11:00 < SMP> that should be more like 10Gb all together
11:01 < huebi> hmm
11:02 < huebi> Where did the traffic go through?
11:03 < SMP> it can't be a counter wraparound at 4Gb, since then the RX counter would not have gone large enough to overflow
11:04 < SMP> so it's probably just that the kernel sucks
11:04 < SMP> in general
11:04 < SMP> it can't count correctly
11:04 < SMP> alas! it least it routes!
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11:05 < SMP> versuch's nochmal ;>
11:05 < th_> hmmm
11:05 < th_> muss ich meine ip noch setzen?
11:05 < SMP> freilich.
11:05 < SMP> -h rocklinux.de
11:05 < th> ok
11:06 < th> oder im config-file?
11:06 < SMP> oder da. frag mich aber nicht wie
11:06 < th> und wie?
11:06 < th> hmm
11:06 < th> oder per commands im irssi?
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11:08 < holyolli> moin
11:08 < huebi> hi holyolli
11:08 < holyolli> huhu huebi
11:08 < SMP> hooooolyolli
11:09 < holyolli> essssss emmmmm peeeeh :))
11:19 < huebi> the Install script on 1.5.15 does not work. It uses the wrong directory
11:19 < huebi> I need to fix it
11:20 < huebi> I'll won't release a new relase without full testing again.
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12:13 < clifford> hi gang.
12:14 < holyolli> hi clifford
12:15 < clifford> hi olli.
12:15 < huebi> moin clifford
12:15 < huebi> ;-)
12:55 < huebi> Alle Shell und Perl scripte im CVS sind jetzt ausfuehrbar. Die TeleDummies arbeiten noch an der SDSL-Stoerung von meinem Anschluss.
12:56 < SMP> ahh hmm
12:56 < SMP> weiss jetzt zufaellig jemand hier, wie ich einen Text in Form eines Smily auf eine Seite fliessen lassen kenn?
12:57 < SMP> so aehnlich wie /usr/games/banner, nur mit eigenem Text durch alle Zeichen
12:57 * holyolli .net
12:57 < SMP> (ohne dass ich das jetzt selbst schreiben muesste). clifford evtl.? ;)
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12:58 < huebi> meine repair.sh brauche ich dann bald auch nicht mehr. ;-)
13:01 < huebi> Jetzt muss ich nur noch install-disks mit dem CVS Verzeichnis vertraeglich machen, dann kann man direkt im cvs tree Rocklinux bauen ;-)
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13:12 < huebi> clifford: Ich bekomme gerade das 5. Mal deine Antwort zum gcc3 Problem von Miguel.
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13:15 < huebi> www.ngi.de kann leider keinen zweiten SDSL Anschluss zu mir nach Hause legen. Schade.
13:16 < SMP> NGI saugt.
13:16 < huebi> SMP: Was saugt NGI?
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13:17 < th> re
13:17 < huebi> hi th
13:17 < SMP> ahh ;)
13:17 < th> na geht doch ;)
13:18 < huebi> th: sehr schoen!
13:18 < SMP> huebi: NGI ist ein windiger Verein
13:18 < th> ein wenig uniformitaet schadet nie
13:18 < th> ngi? verkloppen die nicht web-publishing software?
13:18 < SMP> . o O ( rocklinux.de 0wnz )
13:18 < th> rocklinux.de mail is handled by 100 world.wronline.de.
13:18 < th> nimmt der die auch an?
13:19 < SMP> nein, NGI verkloppt DSL, nachdem sie mit dialup flatrate auf die Schnauze gefallen sind
13:19 < th> ahso
13:19 < huebi> th: <ironie> JAWOLL! Unformitaet is gut! </ironie>
13:19 < th> verwechslung. aber ich erinnere mich
13:19 < SMP> th: klar. th@ und th-alleswasduwillst@ etc.
13:20 < th> machste nen alias oder soll ich per .forward?
13:20 < SMP> echo dahin > ~/.qmail
13:21 < huebi> hat jemand erfahrung mit binaer diffs?
13:21 < th> es gibt xdelta
13:23 < th> huebi: wie is der cvs-daten stand?
13:24 < huebi> th: noch fehlehaft. Ich bin am suchen.
13:24 < huebi> +r
13:36 < th> ok
13:37 < huebi> Ich mache gerade den Tag rock-src-1_5_15
13:37 < huebi> -b
14:00 < huebi> tar --preserve -cvIf cvsroot.tar.bz2 cvsroot <- So ist es eingepackt,
14:00 < huebi> tar --preserve -xvIf cvsroot.tar.bz2 <- Und so am besten auspacken
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14:01 < tsa> moin
14:01 < huebi> hi tsa
14:02 < huebi> cvsroot.tar.bz2 liegt auf world im /tmp Verzeichnis
14:02 < tsa> hi huebi
14:11 < huebi> tsa: Was hast du denn mit libxslt geaendert?
14:11 < tsa> huebi: nur die version, sonst nix
14:11 < huebi> ach so ;-)
14:11 < tsa> hehe ;)
14:12 < th> huebi: das schnapp ich mir
14:12 < huebi> 14:00 < huebi> tar --preserve -xvIf cvsroot.tar.bz2 <- Und so am besten auspacken
14:12 < huebi> Sonst gibt's Aerger mit den Schreibrechten.
14:29 < huebi> So, ein neuer korrigierter Build ist fuer 1.5.15 gestartet.
15:06 < rxr> re
15:08 < SMP> rxr: Ueberraschung - ST:ENT 01.26 ist da ;)
15:09 < SMP> das ist aber wirklich die letzte Folge der ersten Staffel
15:09 < SMP> d'uh
15:09 < SMP> das wird erst heute Abend an der Ostkueste zum ersten Mal ausgestrahlt
15:10 < clifford> hi.
15:10 < SMP> Hallo clifford
15:10 < clifford> rxr: in x11 ist so einiges broken ..
15:12 < th> SMP: der sshd is down?
15:12 < SMP> uh?
15:12 < huebi> ps axf
15:12 < huebi> ?
15:12 < th> hmm
15:13 < th> naja naeh
15:13 < SMP> noe. alles fein
15:13 < clifford> hi SMP.
15:13 < th> aber aber world != rocklinux.de
15:13 < SMP> jo :>
15:13 < th> ssh2: FATAL: Connecting to cvs.rocklinux.de failed: Connection Refused
15:14 < SMP> aeh ja
15:14 < clifford> hmmm ... "wine ie5setup.exe" mag mich nicht ... :-(
15:15 < th> SMP: sollen wir world.wronline.de als cvsroot benutzen oder korrigierst du das fuer cvs.rocklinux.de?
15:15 < SMP> ich aendere die Adresse
15:16 < th> ok
15:17 < SMP> so, ist auf den Nameservern
15:17 < SMP> TTL 2h. naja
15:17 < th> ok
15:17 < th> ich koennte ja nen slave aufsetzen
15:18 < SMP> du koenntest auch deinen BIND killen ;>
15:18 < th> der forwarded nur ;)
15:19 < rxr> SMP: col !!!
15:19 < th> und den den ich killen muesste is nich meiner
15:19 < rxr> clifford: ich weiss
15:19 < rxr> ich habe auch schon einige updtes hier ...
15:20 < rxr> clifford: probier mal winex von sourceforge der tut vielleicht mehr ...
15:20 < clifford> aha gut.
15:21 < clifford> ich hab' hier mal die build-order von libpng geaendert (sollte for libgd sein.
15:21 < rxr> clifford: Herzlichen Glueckwunch noch Nachtraeglich !!!
15:21 < clifford> danke .... :-)
15:21 < rxr> gut gefeiert ?
15:22 < clifford> moeglicherweise waere libpng in base besser als in extra1 (da packages aus base die lib brauchen... ich will dir nicht deine pkg wegnehmen.. :-)
15:22 < clifford> rxr: naja - hab' 40 kinder im alter von 4-12 unterhalten.
15:23 < clifford> (harry potter pfingstlager. ich war prof sake .. :-)
15:23 < rxr> clifford: ah :-) das war doch bestimmt lustig *g*
15:23 < SMP> Geburtstag? Heirat? ;>
15:23 < th> huebi: cvs -d :ext:cvs.rocklinux.de:/home/rockcvs/cvs co rock-1.5
15:23 < clifford> und einen fix fuer gtkmm hab' ich geschrieben. Haben wir da jetzt eine ueberschneidung?
15:23 < rxr> clifford: wenn du die grafik libs wieder in base haben moechtest ... mach das doch ...\
15:25 < rxr> clifford: oh das kann sein ...
15:25 < clifford> also entweder libpng nach base oder libgd, ghostscript, usw. nach extra1 ...
15:25 < clifford> wann bekomm' ich denn einen neuen patch?
15:25 < rxr> clifford: vielleicht lieber das zweite, so dass in base nur wirklich basis packete ueber bleiben ...
15:25 < rxr> clifford: ja mach ich in ein paar stunden ...
15:26 < clifford> ich weiss nicht so recht. gs ist schon ziemlich base ..
15:27 < huebi> th: Geht nicht!
15:28 < th> och
15:28 < huebi> export CVSROOT=":ext:huebi@80.65.32.84:443/home/rockcvs/cvs"; export CVS_RSH="ssh"
15:28 < th> export CVS_RSH=ssh
15:28 < th> moment
15:28 * clifford ist gleich wieder da ..
15:28 < th> doch nicht auf 443
15:28 < huebi> th: Doch!
15:28 < th> achso
15:28 < th> du kommst ja nur da raus
15:29 < th> du musst den port wohl in deiner sshconfig angeben
15:29 < huebi> ist er
15:29 < huebi> Host world
15:29 < huebi> HostName 80.65.32.84
15:29 < huebi> User huebi
15:29 < huebi> Port 443
15:29 < huebi> Cipher blowfish
15:29 < huebi> KeepAlive yes
15:29 < huebi>
15:29 < th> dann doch aber kein :443 mehr
15:30 < th> SMP: huch. wir brauchen noch ein cvsweb.cgi oder sowas
15:30 < huebi>
15:30 < huebi> huebi@imf001c3:/tmp$ cvs co rock-1.5
15:30 < huebi> Connection Refused: Proxy denies fulfilling the request
15:30 < huebi> ssh: connect to address 80.65.32.84 port 22: Connection refused
15:30 < huebi> cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any)
15:30 < huebi> huebi@imf001c3:/tmp$ ssh world
15:30 < huebi> huebi@80.65.32.84's password:
15:30 < huebi>
15:32 < th> MOMENT
15:32 < th> Host world
15:32 < th> also :ext:world:/home/rockcvs/cvs
15:32 < huebi> :ext:huebi@80.65.32.84:/home/rockcvs/cvs
15:32 < SMP> *hargl*
15:33 < huebi> cvs mag kein spezielles ssh!
15:33 < th> huebi: brauchst du doch auch nicht?
15:33 < huebi> Ich werde weiterhin nur meinen cvs benutzen. Danke.
15:34 < SMP> was geht denn jetzt?
15:34 < th> huebi: ????
15:35 < th> huebi: wenn du :ext:huebi@80.65.32.84:/home/rockcvs/cvs nimmst muss in der der sshconfig auch ein Host 80.65.32.84 auftauchen mit einem Port 443
15:35 < th> huebi: du hast aber nur ein Host world mit port 443
15:35 < huebi> ok
15:35 < th> du kannst auch:
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15:35 < th> Host rockcvs
15:35 < th> Hostname cvs.rocklinux.de
15:36 < th> Port 443
15:36 < th> und dann :ext:rockcvs:/home/...
15:36 < SMP> nein, auf dem laeuft kein sshd auf port 443
15:37 < th> SMP: doch
15:37 < SMP> *kopffass*
15:37 < th> th.delta ~ > telnet cvs.rocklinux.de 443
15:37 < th> Trying 80.65.32.84...
15:37 < th> Connected to cvs.rocklinux.de.
15:37 < th> Escape character is '^]'.
15:37 < th> SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.2.2p1
15:37 < SMP> ja, doch klar
15:37 < huebi> ok
15:37 < huebi> geht
15:37 < th> huebi: geht es
15:37 < th> gut
15:37 < th> huebi: wir wollen doch nich gleich aufgeben :)
15:37 < th> huebi: hast du das cvsweb-zeug auch available?
15:37 < th> sonst installier ich es heute abend
15:37 * clifford ist wieder da ..
15:38 < huebi> cvsweb.cgi und cvsweb.conf kommt gleich.
15:39 < th> schick
15:40 < th> wollen wir einen web-vhost fuer cvs.rocklinux.de fuer cvsweb.cgi?
15:40 < clifford> rxr: hast du dir den gsmp text angesehen?
15:40 < th> oder mit auf www.rocklinux.de drauf?
15:40 < SMP> nicht auf www
15:40 < th> sources?
15:40 < th> download?
15:41 < th> cvs waere am logischsten is aber nich unbedingt noetif
15:41 < th> s,f,g,
15:41 < SMP> ja, das waer mir aber am liebsten
15:42 < huebi> so, in /tmp auf world.
15:42 < SMP> Himmel, warum haben sich SRV RRs nicht durchgesetzt? ;>
15:42 < huebi> SMP: ??
15:43 < SMP> IP Adressen nach auch service und nicht nur nach hostname verteilen hat was
15:43 < huebi> egcs64 sparc-utils funktioniert jetzt beides auf intel!
15:44 < huebi> SMP: Stimmt, dann ist der Service schoen unabhaengig.
15:44 < SMP> der Web kram kommt morgen
15:44 < SMP> *stoehn*
15:44 < huebi> SMP: Der ist doch schon da ;-)
15:45 < th> huebi: (er meint den vhost)
15:45 < SMP> ich haeng hier in den Seilen
15:45 < th> mit cgi
15:45 < th> SMP: wassen los mit dir?
15:45 < th> krank?
15:45 < th> hitze?
15:45 < SMP> uptime 24h
15:46 < SMP> noch bis nach 6 totschlagen
15:46 < th> haste noch kunden da?
15:46 < huebi> SMP: DEUTLICH ZU LANGE... (ich will jetzt endlich eine piepende Caps Lock Taste...)
15:47 < th> huebi: also ich hab meine caps-lock-taste auf control gemappt.
15:47 < th> die brauch ich doch ehh nie
15:47 < huebi> Noch besser: Caps Lock ist an und ich kriege eine Mail ;-)
15:47 < huebi> oder SMS
15:47 < huebi> hehe
15:47 < th> /usr/X11R6/bin/setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps us
15:48 < huebi> th: Da muss ich dich spaeter noch mal zu interviewen.
15:48 < SMP> noe, ich muss nur mal wieder zu vernuenftiger Zeit Aufstehen
15:50 < th> ich war heute um 0630 aus dem bett raus
15:51 < SMP> ja, wenn ich zwischen 6 und 7 Schlafen gehe, klappt das vielleicht morgen auch
15:51 < huebi> export CVSROOT=":ext:huebi@world:/home/rockcvs/cvs"; export CVS_RSH="ssh" <- genau so gehts ;-))
15:52 < th> huebi: das huebi@ kannst du weglassen
15:52 < SMP> seit Tagen geh ich Morgens gegen 6 ins Bett *aechtz*
15:52 < SMP> das :ext: auch ;>
15:52 < huebi> th: Stimmt, danke.
15:52 < th> SMP: hui. das war mir neu
15:53 < SMP> rsh (*spuck*) und damit auch ssh ist halt default
15:53 < huebi> cvs server: warning: cannot write to history file /home/rockcvs/cvs/CVSROOT/history: Permission denied
15:53 < huebi> th: chmod 2775
15:53 < th> mompl
15:54 < SMP> and chgrp rockcvsu as well ;)
15:54 < th> jo
15:54 < th> nurchgrp rockcvsu history
15:54 < th> chgrp rockcvsu history
15:54 < th> das reicht
15:54 < th> mode war schon 664
15:54 < huebi> axo
15:54 < th> done
15:55 < huebi> (ripclaw mailbombt mal wieder...)
15:56 < th> ich hab mal die passwd geloescht
15:57 < huebi> th: reicht wenn die leer ist.
15:57 < huebi> sonst sucht die noch jemand.
15:57 < th> da sind so viele dateien ;)
15:57 < th> die is doch obsolete
15:57 < huebi> Lass di da!
15:58 < th> zu spaet?
15:58 < th> aber ich kann sie wieder hinkopieren wenn du willst
15:58 < huebi> man touch?
15:58 < th> done
15:58 < th> du bist heut aber auch gereizt.
15:59 < huebi> Ja, leider. Tut mir leid. Ich muss mal wieder weniger arbeiten...
15:59 < huebi> ;-)
16:00 < th> es ist viel zu warm :)
16:00 * SMP als root koennte huebi mal ne Kur verschreiben ;>
16:00 < SMP> . o O ( svc -d /service/sshd.443 )
16:00 < th> hehe
16:02 < huebi> ripclaw: [...] this patch was not testet [...] <- Hmm. Ich habe ihm gesagt, das ich nur getestet Patche haben moechte. Irgendwann wird er es hoffendlich auch mal _vorher_ _selber_ testen.
16:03 < huebi> SMP: Jo, im Moment ist so einiges ein bischen dolle nervig. Ich habe so viel zu tun und kriege so wenig geschaft.
16:04 < SMP> das ist bei mir seit ~ 2,5 Jahren 'Normalzustand'
16:04 < th> machen wir einen club auf?
16:04 < huebi> th Das heisst nicht Club, das ist ne Fa.
16:04 < huebi> hehe
16:05 < SMP> noch ne Firma? ;)
16:05 < th> hehe
16:05 < th> ich hab hier noch ein paar leute um mich rum die noch zeit haben
16:05 < huebi> SMP: klar, Steuern sparen...
16:06 < huebi> ...und Leibeigene, erm Lehrlinge mussen wieder 7 Jahre in die Lehre und Lehrgeld mitbringen...
16:07 * SMP hat von Azubis, Praktikanten und dem Gesocks erstmal genug
16:07 < th> und ich hoere immer "als student hat man doch zeit"
16:07 < th> ich ueberlege ernsthaft nach dem vordiplom aufzuhoeren
16:07 < SMP> wenn man nur studiert, trifft das sicher zu :>
16:09 < th> aber das waere ja langweilig *einred*
16:11 < SMP> also ich bin mir persoenlich schon sicher, dass alles andere als das was ich grad mache langweilig waer ;-]
16:11 < th> hehe
16:13 < th> SMP: btw. hast du die virtualdomains db neu gebaut?
16:14 < SMP> habbisch sendmail odda was?
16:14 < th> huch
16:14 < SMP> $ echo th > .qmail-rocklinux\:de-th
16:14 < th> oh alles text
16:15 < th> naja meine ~/.qmail ist wie vorhin von dir gesagt gefuellt.
16:15 < th> aber es kommt nix an
16:15 < huebi> Ich haette gerne ein %-Anzeige beim Build. Noch jemand?
16:15 < SMP> sollte jetzt gehen
16:15 < th> huebi: jepp
16:15 < huebi> ok, dann bau ich mal
16:16 < th> (wenns dich entspannt ;) )
16:16 < huebi> == 16:14:01 =[3]=> Building base package xfree86 [4.2.0 1.5.15]. <- hat gerade angefangen ;-)
16:16 < huebi> th hehehe
16:16 < SMP> Ich haette gerne einen McFlurry. Noch jemand?
16:16 < SMP> . o O ( wer baut? )
16:16 < th> SMP: yeah diesen spei-suessen neuen fruchtigen bitte
16:16 < th> McFlurry.ext?
16:17 < SMP> neu?
16:17 < SMP> huch
16:17 < huebi> Grilled Texas Bagel.... hmmmmmmmmmmmm
16:17 < th> aprikose, mango oder pfirsich
16:17 < huebi> und wechh. bis spaeter..
16:18 < th> SMP: es geht jetzt mein letzter test war wohl nur etwas frue
16:18 < th> s,$,h,
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16:19 < holyolli> re
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17:09 < Mike1> Hi
17:09 < holyolli> hi mike1
17:09 < holyolli> re smp
17:10 < sockmonk> whois sockmonk
17:11 < sockmonk> oops :-)
17:11 < holyolli> sockmonk] (~wsheldahl@moose.qx.net) : sirc user
17:11 < holyolli> --- [sockmonk] #rocklinux
17:11 < holyolli> [sockmonk] irc.openprojects.net :https://www.openprojects.net/
17:11 < holyolli> --- [sockmonk] idle 00:00:01, signon: Wed May 22 16:29:48
17:11 < holyolli> --- [sockmonk] End of WHOIS list.
17:11 < holyolli> ;-)
17:11 * th proudly presents #rocklinux' whois-bot.
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17:12 * sockmonk applauds
17:13 < d3mian> re
17:13 < Mike1> hi d3mian
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17:46 < rxr> nette Folge SMP :-)
17:46 < rxr> uh - my u5 is sill compiling gdb - seems to be really boated ...
17:47 < holyolli> cya
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17:48 < Mike1> hi rxr
17:48 < rxr> hi Mike1
17:57 < d3m|away> cu later
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18:06 < tsa> re.
18:09 < Mike1> re tsa
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18:11 < tsa> hi Mike1
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18:11 < rxr> hi tsa
18:14 < tsa> hi rxr
18:18 < tsa> oh.
18:18 < tsa> Solaris 9 has been released today.
18:19 < Mike1> tsa cool
18:20 < rxr> tsa: does it run on u5's ?
18:20 < Mike1> rxr yes it does
18:21 < tsa> rxr: yes, it will.
18:25 < rxr> Mike1: tsa a thanks :-)
18:27 < Mike1> rxr downloading solaris 9?
18:31 < tsa> Mike1: it's not yet been put up for download...
18:31 < Mike1> tsa i see :(
18:31 < Mike1> tsa anyway who needs solaris when you can have ROCK :)
18:32 < tsa> Mike1: i need it.
18:32 < Mike1> tsa what for?
18:32 < tsa> Mike1: for learning how to use it.
18:32 < Mike1> tsa *g
18:33 < tsa> i already know linux, and i don't see much sense in getting an expensive sparc system for running linux on it when you'd be better off with a PC..
18:33 < tsa> it might get used for rocklinux/sparc64 development, but it's primary use is running solaris.
18:34 < tsa> uh../me just got mail from an old friend in venezuela..
18:34 < tsa> cool.
18:37 < [-dalai-]> re
18:37 < [-dalai-]> from work
18:39 < [-dalai-]> tse: u can not compare an sparc with an PC...
18:39 < tsa> [-dalai-]: ACK. it's totally different hardware.
18:40 < [-dalai-]> a sparc has something magic ;)
18:40 < tsa> yes, i know. ;-)
18:40 < [-dalai-]> both have pci
18:40 < tsa> i really like the sparc platform, although it isn't as fast as x86 stuff..
18:40 < [-dalai-]> i remember the good old SBUS time
18:40 < rxr> tsa: [-dalai-] what magic ???
18:40 < [-dalai-]> hmm
18:41 < [-dalai-]> a sparc can be faster, it depends on ure aim (target)?
18:41 < Mike1> Hi Max
18:42 < [-dalai-]> hi Mike
18:42 < [-dalai-]> ;)
18:42 < [-dalai-]> my favourite is rs6000 btw
18:42 < [-dalai-]> ;)
18:50 < [-dalai-]> https://www.obsolyte.com/bogomips.html <-- old but still true...
18:56 < capchaos> 1.5.14 uses a patched 2.4.17 kernel? *wonder*
19:00 < capchaos> why 2.4.18-rc4 ?
19:00 < capchaos> huebi?
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19:00 < capchaos> wb simon
19:00 < th> capchaos: 2.4.18-rc4 ack on this
19:01 < capchaos> why not 2.4.18 ?
19:03 < th> i don't know
19:03 < capchaos> where's huebi?
19:04 < th> 16:17:48 < huebi> und wechh. bis spaeter..
19:04 < th> gone almost 3 hours ago
19:05 < capchaos> oh. do you use 1.5.x ?
19:06 < th> yes
19:12 < rxr> capchaos: in 2.4.18 marcello accidently wiped out a "important" patch ...
19:13 < capchaos> then why not patch 2.4.18 release ?
19:13 < rxr> capchaos: I do not know ...
19:14 < capchaos> hum mysterious
19:23 < rxr> all the GNU tools suck
19:24 < rxr> cross compiling them is a pain ...
19:31 < tsa> hehe
19:31 < tsa> mail -s "your stuff sucks" gnu@gnu.org ;-)
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19:52 < Mike1> rxr you here?
19:58 * Mike1 eating
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20:46 < sockmonk> capchaos: IIRC, the kernel team didn't want to patch the 2.4.18 release because they didn't want to change the version number, or have a 2.4.18b or something
20:47 < capchaos> aah ic
20:47 < capchaos> what is this mysterious patch that got missed in 2.4.18 release?
20:48 < sockmonk> I think the effect was the filesystem got corrupted on shutdown in certain circumstances
20:48 < sockmonk> I forget the source of the bug
20:49 < sockmonk> some folks said the release should be exactly the same as rc4, or there should have been an rc5 that was the same as the release
20:49 < sockmonk> so that the kernel could be tested before being "blessed" as the final good one
20:49 < sockmonk> Marcello didn't think so and still doesn't
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20:55 < rxr> hi
20:55 < capchaos> sockmonk: so the bug is still only a suspicion?
20:55 < rxr> stupid opn did not let me in after a DSL reconnect ...
20:55 < capchaos> wb rxr
20:55 < rxr> Mike1: Now I'm back ...
20:56 < rxr> you had a q?
21:01 < rxr> But I have one:
21:01 < rxr> thesun:/rock-linux/src/sparc64-stuff/lib # ./libc-2.2.5.so
21:01 < rxr> bash: ./libc-2.2.5.so: No such file or directory
21:01 < rxr> thesun:/rock-linux/src/sparc64-stuff/lib # l ./libc-2.2.5.so
21:01 < rxr> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10401351 May 22 19:55 ./libc-2.2.5.so
21:01 < rxr> thesun:/rock-linux/src/sparc64-stuff/lib # file ./libc-2.2.5.so
21:01 < rxr> ./libc-2.2.5.so: ELF 64-bit MSB shared object, SPARC V9, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped
21:01 < rxr> ?????????
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21:05 < rxr> noone ?
21:10 < rxr> thesun:/rock-linux/build/default-1.7.0-DEV-sparc64-cross-dietlibc-expert/tools/bin # file ./diet
21:10 < rxr> ./diet: ELF 64-bit MSB executable, SPARC V9, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, stripped
21:10 < rxr> this one works ...
21:10 < Mike1> rxr hi
21:10 < Mike1> look:
21:10 < rxr> so the kernel is ok (to some degree) and only the glibc is fucked up ?!?
21:10 < Mike1> # ./libc-2.2.5.so
21:10 < Mike1> <rxr> bash: ./libc-2.2.5.so: No such file or directory
21:10 < Mike1> <rxr> thesun:/rock-linux/src/sparc64-stuff/lib # l ./libc-2.2.5.so
21:10 < Mike1> <rxr> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10401351 May 22 19:55 ./libc-2.2.5.so
21:10 < Mike1> <rxr> thesun:/rock-linux/src/sparc64-stuff/lib # file ./libc-2.2.5.so
21:10 < Mike1> <rxr> ./libc-2.2.5.so: ELF 64-bit MSB shared object, SPARC V9, version 1
21:10 < rxr> Hi Mike1
21:10 < Mike1> (SYSV), not stripped
21:10 < Mike1> <rxr> ?????????
21:10 < Mike1> ωνω SignOff capchaos: #rocklinux ("bye")
21:10 < Mike1> <rxr> noone ?
21:10 < Mike1> <rxr> thesun:/rock-linux/build/default-1.7.0-DEV-sparc64-cross-dietlibc-expert/
21:10 < Mike1> tools/bin # file ./diet
21:10 < Mike1> <rxr> ./diet: ELF 64-bit MSB executable, SPARC V9, version 1 (SYSV),
21:11 < Mike1> statically linked, stripped
21:11 < rxr> Mike1: ??????????
21:11 < Mike1> <rxr> this one works ...
21:11 < Mike1> <Mike1> rxr hi
21:11 < Mike1> ωνω Does this mean you're really back?
21:11 < Mike1> <Mike1> look:
21:11 < Mike1> <rxr> so the kernel is ok (to some degree) and only the glibc is fucked up ?!?
21:11 < Mike1> [01:04pm][Mike1(+iw)] [#rocklinux(+n)]
21:11 < Mike1> [Lag 0] [O/0 N/16 I/0 V/0 F/0] [U:a:S:b:h]
21:11 < Mike1> [#rocklinux]
21:11 < Mike1> oh shit
21:11 < Mike1> sorry i hate when this happens
21:11 < rxr> Mike1: what cutn paste are you procuing here so often ???
21:11 < Mike1> look at the error i got with ld.so
21:11 < Mike1> Can't auto-detect srctar for package 'ld.so'!
21:11 < rxr> Mike1: which rock tree and arch ?
21:11 < Mike1> i386 rock 1.7
21:11 < rxr> most likely a corrupted download ...
21:12 < rxr> not executed Dowload ?
21:12 < rxr> checksum errot ?
21:12 < Mike1> isnt it getting confused because of the .so?
21:12 < Mike1> no checksum error i actually donwload from the original url
21:13 < rxr> no the .so is ok - worked for years ...
21:14 < rxr> Mike1: what does ./scripts/Download -list-missing
21:15 < rxr> give you ?
21:15 < Mike1> mom
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21:23 < hackbard> hi
21:26 < rxr> hi hackbard
22:03 < rxr> hm a statically linked and striped hellposparc.c program is 500kB ... (for sparc64)
22:03 < rxr> thesun:/mnt/net/var/tmp/src # ./a.out
22:03 < rxr> Hello sparc64
22:03 < rxr> WOW and it works :-)
22:03 < rxr> so it is a really strange libc prob ...
22:04 < rxr> how much traffic today ...
22:07 < hackbard> i would say something, but this is too difficult for me :)
22:08 * hackbard trying to remember the rsync parameters ..o0{ -raw ??}
22:09 < rxr> talking is too difficult ?
22:09 < hackbard> avr
22:09 < hackbard> no, the glibc problem
22:09 < rxr> jups /avr looks good
22:09 < hackbard> ah, online with ur sparc :)
22:10 < hackbard> or you just get used to ur sparc keyboard layout :)
22:11 < rxr> i
22:11 < rxr> uups
22:12 < rxr> i'online with the sparc for some days now - but I cross compiled the sparc64 stuff on my athlon ...
22:12 < rxr> and yes, I still make many typos when I write too fast ...
22:14 < tsa> hehe ;-)
22:14 * rxr off making abendbrot ...
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22:18 < Be-El> hi ppl
22:18 < tsa> tag Be-El
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22:19 < tsa> hi Bananas
22:19 < Bananas> hi
22:19 < Bananas> let me take a look at the rocklinux web page
22:21 < Bananas> ok. Rock Linux is a distro, i never heard of it before
22:21 < hackbard> it is more, you can build your own distro
22:22 < Bananas> Gnome is the default desktop??
22:22 < hackbard> in 1.5 gnome was in base, yes
22:23 < Bananas> Blackbox is my favorite, but i still install both Gnome & KDE for the applications that can be added to blackbox's menu
22:25 < Bananas> lots of good packages
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22:42 < hackbard> clifford: h4ppy birthday 'nachtraeglich' !
22:55 < tsa> hm...i don't think he's here right now..
22:55 < tsa> *gaehn*
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23:05 < tsa> rxr: awake?
23:05 < tsa> rxr: any ideas for the rock linux posters for linuxtag?
23:06 < hackbard> ll
23:06 < hackbard> oups ..
23:06 < tsa> Permission denied.
23:06 < hackbard> :)
23:06 < tsa> ;-)
23:32 < Be-El> hmm....erkennt das build-system, ob ein package in neuerer form vorliegt und baut es dann neu (bzw. auch alle abhaengigen pakete) ?
23:32 < rxr> AAtsa sure
23:32 < rxr> Be-El: no not yet
23:32 < [-dalai-]> n8
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23:33 < Be-El> damned ;-)
23:33 < rxr> tsa: I'm awake but do not have new ideas for the poster ...
23:33 < rxr> tsa: let
23:33 < tsa> rxr: hm..
23:33 < tsa> dumm das.
23:33 < rxr> 's do this tomorrow
23:34 < tsa> ok
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