--- Log opened Fri May 24 00:00:09 2002
--- Day changed Fri May 24 2002
00:00 < hackbard> missing libgcc1.a in architecture/sparc64 ..
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00:11 < hackbard> hmm, touch'ing {binutils,gcc}.done in Build-CrossCC isnt very usefull as there is always a new $id ..
00:11 < tsa> hm...
00:12 < hackbard> i am going to hate get_unique ;)
00:12 < tsa> hehe
00:12 < huebi> 1.7?
00:12 < esden> I hate everything what has to do with computers ... I hate programming and debugging ... 
00:13 < hackbard> lol
00:13 < tsa> esden: werd' landwirt.
00:13 < tsa> ;)
00:13 < esden> ok .. so I go coding/debuging dietlibc on my computer
00:13 < huebi> tsa: esden _ist Landwirt *gg*
00:13 < tsa> ROTFL.
00:13 < hackbard> hehe
00:13 < esden> why Landwirt ?
00:13 < tsa> hm...ich update jetzt rene's zeug auf sf.
00:15 * -> esden is a bad bad boy ... the patches I make are really bad ... ;-)
00:15 < tsa> hehe
00:15 * tsa is bad, too. updating packages from others..
00:16 < esden> patching configure files is really bad ...
00:16 < tsa> gkrellm-plugins is strange. just one skin in it, and that one looks really ugly.
00:16 < hackbard> esden: definetly!
00:16 < hackbard> tsa: no, thats just clever :)
00:16 < tsa> esden: why don't you patch configure.in, then?
00:16 < tsa> hackbard: hm? why that?
00:17 < hackbard> hmm, its easier to copy paste that stuff instead of makeing it on ur own
00:17 < esden> tsa: so include http://muhri.net/gkrellm/GKrellM-Skins.tar.gz
00:18 < hackbard> ohh, maybe i didnt undesrtand you correctly :p
00:18 * huebi likes music of Lalo Schifrin
00:18 < tsa> sure. that's what i did five minutes ago.
00:18 < esden> tsa: I have no time... and there is none in binutils/gcc
00:18 < esden> I mean binutils
00:18 < esden> in gcc there is one
00:18 < tsa> esden: hm...take all the skins?
00:18 < esden> but the code in autoconf is not dietlibc compatible ...
00:19 < esden> tsa: sure
00:19 < tsa> esden: i chose some which look pretty, imho. i don't want all the bad-looking stuff, too..
00:19 < tsa> YMMV.
00:20 < esden> tsa: how do you want to decide if a skin is looking good or bad ?
00:20 < esden> tsa: your taste is not "allgegenwertig" ...
00:21 < esden> allgegenwertig := omnipresent
00:21 < tsa> esden: ACK. --> YMMV. (your mileage may vary)
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00:21 < tsa> re hackbard
00:22 < esden> tsa: ahh kk
00:22 < esden> re hackbard 
00:22 < tsa> i hope we'll have a big cvs for the complete rock-1.7 soon..
00:23 < tsa> many stuff is so easy to fix, especially small version updates etc. 
00:23 < hackbard_> ui, re
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00:23 < hackbard> stromausfall 24h ago ;)
00:24 < esden> tsa: that is the trivial stuff .. we need slaves for it ... so we can concentrate on the really importaint stuff ... ;-)
00:24 < tsa> esden: trivial stuff has to be done, too.
00:24 < esden> tsa: sure ... that is what we need slaves for ;-)
00:26 < tsa> esden: direct access to all packages would make things easier. 
00:27 < tsa> i need 5 minutes to make a patch and send it to the list, but only 1 minute to fix the package with direct access.
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00:27 < rxr_xchat> hi
00:27 < tsa> aaah
00:27 < rxr_xchat> I have some strange problem here ...
00:27 < tsa> rxr_xchat: i just updated your gkrellm and gkrellm-plugins packages. 
00:27 < rxr_xchat> most openproject servers are not reachable ...
00:27 < rxr_xchat> tsa: nice
00:27 < tsa> sent you a mail, too..
00:28 < tsa> rxr_xchat: hm....which servers did you try?
00:28 < rxr_xchat> but this might be a prob of qsc since some others hosts are also not reachable from here :-(((((
00:28 < tsa> perhaps it's qsc problem.
00:28 < esden> rxr_xchat: is telekom playing ping porg with tcp/ip packets once more ?
00:28 < rxr_xchat> er my remote irssi is still trying ...
00:28 < rxr_xchat> hm it not telekom is's qsc ...
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00:28 < tsa> i always take "irc.openprojects.net", this will redirect you to the best server for you..
00:28 < esden> rxr_xchat: ohh ... ok
00:29 < rxr_xchat> I also got 3 disconnects yesterday ...
00:29 < tsa> hm...bad.
00:29 < esden> qdsl-home.de <-  sure I should read before talking ... 
00:29 < rxr_xchat> irsii is still trying to connect irc.openprojects.net
00:29 < rxr_xchat> I also tried us and at ...
00:30 < rxr_xchat> now I'm at at ...
00:30 < rxr_xchat> ok tsa some new idea?
00:30 < rxr_xchat> rene@jackson:~/develop/rock/package/package/sourceforge > cvs update
00:30 < tsa> rxr_xchat: no, nothing new. 
00:30 < rxr_xchat> ssh: connect to address 216.136.171.202 port 22: Connection timed ou
00:30 < rxr_xchat> argh
00:30 < rxr_xchat> even cvs to sf is not working ...
00:30 < tsa> perhaps anybody else has some ideas?
00:31 < rxr_xchat> hm most non-working stuff ends behind:
00:31 < rxr_xchat> ibr01-f1-0.decx01.exodus.net
00:31 < tsa> hm..
00:32 < rxr_xchat> tsa: some ideas I missed ? (during my off-time)
00:32 < tsa> rxr_xchat: no.
00:32 < rxr_xchat> ok what would you like to have on it ?
00:33 < esden> get illiad to draw us a poster ;-)
00:33 < tsa> yes, that would be really cool.
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00:33 < tsa> hi d3mian
00:33 < d3mian> r
00:33 < d3mian> e\
00:33 < d3mian> hehe :p
00:33 < tsa> ;)
00:33 < esden> like last year he done for debian ...
00:33 < esden> but I also have someone else ...
00:33 * tsa listening
00:34 < tsa> who?
00:34 < esden> piro
00:34 * huebi is watching Rush Hour *lol*
00:35 < esden> ak Fred Gallagher
00:35 < rxr_xchat> we should distinguish betwwen some hand-out poster (we might do later for other events? A3 or so) and a big one (A0 or A1) to hang up on the stand ...
00:36 < tsa> hm...do you think we really need a handout poster?
00:36 < rxr_xchat> maybe the little poster can contian the "schalgwort" slogans stuff esden mentioned
00:36 < tsa> i think we'll need 2-3 different large posters for the booth, first.
00:36 < rxr_xchat> tsa: I mean tinyer stuff like esden can pin up (;-) at his uni and so ..
00:36 < tsa> ah, ok.
00:36 < tsa> esden: www.fredart.com ?
00:36 < rxr_xchat> tsa: clifford_away printed some cards for3 last CCC ...
00:37 < tsa> rxr_xchat: are they available anywhere to hae a look?
00:37 < tsa> +v
00:37 < rxr_xchat> A5 or A6 or so to give away ...
00:37 < esden> tsa: the guy is drawing www.megatokyo.com
00:37 < rxr_xchat> tsa: I could just scan it ;-)(
00:38 < rxr_xchat> if i find them
00:38 < esden> tsa: sure ... that is the guy ;-)
00:38 < tsa> ok, do it.
00:38 < tsa> esden: ok.
00:38 < tsa> what do we want at all? chicks or tech-stuff?
00:38 < tsa> vote is open. now.
00:39 < esden> chicks !
00:39 < tsa> .oO( i knew this! )
00:39 < SMP> *ROOOOOOTFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL*
00:39 < SMP> http://www.stateful.net/crypto.mp3
00:40 * tsa wgetting..
00:40 -!- SMP changed the topic of #rocklinux to: Cool Linux: http://www.rocklinux.org/ --- Cool Song: http://www.stateful.net/crypto.mp3
00:40 < tsa> SMP: what would you like to see on the rock linux posters - any suggestions?
00:40 < rxr_xchat> ah found it
00:40 < SMP> ehr
00:41 < rxr_xchat> tsa: you do not need to write me mails about the modifcation on packages containing a [M] Rene tag ;-) just do it ...
00:41 < tsa> rxr_xchat: ok.
00:41 < tsa> note to myself: no more mails to rxr. ;-)
00:41 < esden> SMP: thot song is really cool
00:42 < tsa> what kind of audience do we want do reach at linuxtag? 
00:42 * SMP still *rotf*
00:42 < rxr_xchat> argh
00:42 < tsa> tech people?
00:42 < tsa> sponsors?
00:42 < SMP> chicks!
00:43 * SMP wants to reach grrls
00:43 < tsa> *sigh*
00:43 < SMP> ;P
00:43 < SMP> /ignore SMP all
00:43 < tsa> SMP: ok. we'll need some nice photos from you, then.
00:43 < SMP> ;>
00:43 < rxr_xchat> freearet and megatokyo do also timeout for me ... ?!?
00:43 < tsa> SMP in bathsuit, something like that.
00:43 < rxr_xchat> stateful.net too ...
00:44 < tsa> rxr_xchat: ircd is running on your localhost, and we're all bots.
00:44 < tsa> ;)
00:44 < rxr_xchat> *g*
00:44 * rxr_xchat scanning 
00:44 < huebi> mo chicks! hehe
00:45 < tsa> ok.
00:45 < tsa> rxr_xchat: we'll make 2 posters, then. huebi and SMP in bathsuits.
00:46 < tsa> ;-)
00:47 < huebi> *lol*
00:47 < rxr_xchat> ok ACK
00:47 < SMP>  . o O ( UN*X is sexxxy! )
00:48 < rxr_xchat> erm is my drocklinux server reachable ?
00:48 < SMP> Tracing the path to drocklinux.dyndns.org (213.20.128.87) on TCP port 80, 30 hops max
00:48 < SMP> 15  port-213-20-128-87.reverse.qdsl-home.de (213.20.128.87) [closed]  41.865 ms  43.882 ms  42.052 ms
00:48 < tsa> hm...this will result in at least 20 more suse installations ;-)
00:49 < d3mian> i cant rene
00:50 < rxr_xchat> tsa: rene/files/out.pnm
00:50 < rxr_xchat> but the dyndns nameserver currently return the wrong ip ...
00:51 < rxr_xchat> SMP: this is not my ip you ping ... :-(
00:51 < tsa> which is the correct one, then?
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00:52 < rxr_xchat> addr:212.202.173.94
00:52 < tsa> wget running.
00:52 < rxr_xchat> http://212.202.173.94/rene/files/out.png
00:53 < tsa> 404
00:53 < rxr_xchat> ah I see why they return the wrong IP I can not reach dyndns.org to update the entry :-(
00:53 < rxr_xchat> tsa: .pnm sorry
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00:54 < tsa> re clifford_away
00:54 < d3mian> drocklinux.dyndns.org.  33      IN      A       213.20.128.87
00:54 < esden> arrrgh ... WHO INCLUDED gcc3 in dietlibc target ...
00:55 < esden> as If I han not enough problems with gcc2
00:55 < rxr_xchat> esden: me - otherwise I can not test on sparc64 ...
00:56 < rxr_xchat> esden: simply remove it from the packagelist: - *gcc3*  oder so ..
00:56 < esden> rxr_xchat: it is ok ... I will have to live with it ... I have to get the packet working sooner or later anyways
00:57 < tsa> rxr_xchat: i like the jon masters quote.
00:57 < tsa> use it again?
00:57 < rxr_xchat> ;-) I can help with it in some days ...
00:57 < rxr_xchat> tsa: sure ;-)
00:57 < hackbard> rxr_xchat: that would i explain why i couldnt rsync today ..
00:57 < esden> rxr_xchat: cool !!! 
00:57 < hackbard> - i
00:58 < tsa> rxr_xchat: hm..ok
00:59 < rxr_xchat> hackbard: today we had no electrcal power here - sicne the haupt-verteilung got replaced ...
01:00 < rxr_xchat> and now I have problems with this q-dsl fluff  ...
01:00 < tsa> http://www2.rocklinux.de/bann-butt/pic007.jpg use this banner?
01:00 < rxr_xchat> tsa: so what kind of posters should we do for LinuxTag ?
01:00 < rxr_xchat> Only a big one or also hand-out cards (whatever) ...
01:00 < huebi> tsa: no titties ;(
01:01 < tsa> rxr_xchat: the old thingie looks good to use for handout stuff, although i'd suggest using another font for the headline.
01:01 < tsa> huebi: you don't have titties, either ;)
01:01 < rxr_xchat> tsa: I like the headline ...
01:01 < esden> argh I hate my stupidity ...
01:01 < tsa> esden: no comment..
01:02 < rxr_xchat> esden: when you might like to get more troubles you can try to cross build dietlibc stuff - this does not work ...
01:02 < tsa> rxr_xchat: ok. so this will do for a handout, after dates and locations have been changed.
01:02 < rxr_xchat> esden: but I can sort this one out, too.
01:02 < tsa> we still need somthing to put up in the booth..
01:02 < tsa> +e
01:02 < rxr_xchat> tsa: jups.
01:03 < rxr_xchat> I would like some diagram illustating the overall-build system with the usual meta-dist, auto-build, portable words ...
01:03 * tsa using recursive algorithm.
01:03 < tsa> poster = text + pic.
01:04 * tsa havink split up problem
01:04 < tsa> still need text, though.
01:04 < tsa> and pic.
01:04 < rxr_xchat> tsa: maybe some pics from http://www.rocklinux.org/people/jocelyn/publications/sane2002.pdf
01:04 < rxr_xchat> although we should rework it ...
01:05 < tsa> ah, this one.
01:06 < esden> yess !!! IT IS BUILDING *jump*
01:06 < tsa> the text is pretty good, i guess.
01:06 < tsa> i don't really like the pic on the second page, but don't have a better one.
01:06 < rxr_xchat> esden: what is building ?
01:07 < esden> I forgot that the gcc that is built using dietlibc hates the -pipe switch ... do not ask my why ...
01:07 < rxr_xchat> tsa: yes this pic should be reworked ...
01:07 < esden> I had no time to debug the problem
01:07 < rxr_xchat> tsa: it is no problems to arrange s.th. I have 2 scanners and a graphic tablet here ...
01:07 < d3mian> cu guys
01:07 < rxr_xchat> bye d3mian
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01:07 < esden> hmm ... :-(
01:07 < esden> it started building ..
01:08 < esden> but not finished ..
01:08 < esden> but I am one step further ...
01:08 < esden> rxr_xchat: I am currently here:
01:08 < esden> == 00:06:40 =[2]=> Building base/gcc2 [2.95.3 1.7.0-DEV-200205151839].
01:08 < tsa> rxr_xchat: perhaps a tree showing rock/x86 as root node, with leaves being drock/x86, the several other subdists and ports.
01:08 < esden> == 05/24/02 00:08:58 =[2]=> Aborted building package gcc2.
01:09 < rxr_xchat> ieek
01:09 < rxr_xchat> the doc got created by:
01:09 < rxr_xchat> ./Producer (Acrobat Distiller 4.0 for Windows)
01:09 < tsa> oh-oh
01:09 < tsa> hehe
01:09 < rxr_xchat> I feared s.th. like this.
01:10 < esden> binutils are building finally that is really good ... but this is only one packet in stage 2 till now ... :-(
01:11 < rxr_xchat> tsa: such a tree would now explain much - and would be rather overloaded by all the different $rockver/$arch possiblilities ...
01:11 < rxr_xchat> I would find illustrating the build system more interesting ...
01:12 < esden> we should show the flexibility and power of rock on the poster
01:12 < hackbard> rxr_xchat: is it bad to not copy over libgcc1.a for creating the crossgcc? it built just fine.
01:12 < esden> and the near to source code of rock 
01:13 < rxr_xchat> hackbard: You ask because I commented this out in my tree ?
01:13 < hackbard> huebi wanted to try to generate a poster of the rock scripts ... maybe he did succeed
01:13 < hackbard> rxr_xchat: oh, building origin tree now, as ur efforts get merged according to CHANGELOG
01:14 < rxr_xchat> hackbard: so did you commented this libgcc1.a copy out ?
01:15 < hackbard> well, yes, i did : [ -f arch... ] && cp arch... 
01:15 < rxr_xchat> I did so here - because I do not know for what it is needed ...
01:15 < hackbard> okay!
01:15 < rxr_xchat> hackbard: ah ok - should ont hurd (I think)
01:16 < hackbard> so you now know what it is ofr?
01:16 < hackbard> for even ..
01:16 < rxr_xchat> hackbard: no I can not imagine for what it is needed - and sparc64 builds without it ...
01:17 < rxr_xchat> tsa: hello?
01:17 < tsa> yes.
01:17 < hackbard> okay! thanks
01:17 < tsa> http://www.jaenicke.org/rock/rock-diagram.png
01:17 < tsa> (just a quick hack)
01:18 < rxr_xchat> I would not put x86 into some root ...
01:18 < rxr_xchat> bin mal kutz XFree restarten ..
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01:21 < hackbard> ripclaw hat mal nen coolen stz inner mail abgelassen, der sagt eigentlich alles ueber rock .. mom
01:22 < hackbard> <zitat>
01:22 < hackbard> ausserdem gilt fuer rock und debian das david und goliath anxiom:
01:22 < hackbard> klein, wendig, fies.
01:22 < hackbard> </zitat>
01:22 < hackbard> :)
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01:22 < rxr_xchat> re
01:22 < tsa> hm...klingt nicht schlecht. aber wir sollten debian da rausnehmen.
01:22 < tsa> rxr_xchat: 
01:22 < tsa> <hackbard> <zitat>
01:22 < tsa> <hackbard> ausserdem gilt fuer rock und debian das david und goliath anxiom:
01:22 < tsa> <hackbard> klein, wendig, fies.
01:22 < tsa> <hackbard> </zitat>
01:23 < hackbard> und unten als anmerkung: tja, bei suse wachsen jedenfalls keine cliffords auf den servern
01:23 < hackbard> hehe
01:24 < hackbard> btw, das mit den anxiom verstehe ich aber nicht ganz .. ;)
01:25 < esden> man kann da solaris reinstellen oder so ...
01:25 < rxr_xchat> shit need to restart X11 my tables sucks ...
01:25 < esden> anstatt debian ...
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01:26 < tsa> ja, klingt nach ner idee.
01:26 < tsa> debian muss da weg.
01:27 < hackbard> ach was, lass uns provozieren :-D
01:27 < tsa> hehe
01:27 < esden> ja ... dass auf jeden fall  ... 
01:27 < esden> hackbard: schoen und gut ... 
01:27 < tsa> rock linux - built to beat HP-SolIrix 
01:27 < tsa> ;)
01:27 < hackbard> hehe
01:28 < esden> aber wir sind soweit ich weiss wand an wand ... mit debian am lt
01:28 < hackbard> LOL
01:28 < hackbard> okay, ueberredet
01:28 < tsa> hm...wir koennen ja deren poster aufhaengen und die dann unsere... ;)
01:28 < esden> ausserdem .. die debian leute waren sehr hilfreich am lt letztes jahr was meine probleme anging mit alpha ... 
01:28 < hackbard> hihi
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01:29 < rene> so
01:29 < hackbard> cool, dei fareg ich gleich mal wieso die ab 2.4 nur noch initrd kernels machen ..
01:29 < tsa> rene: 
01:29 < hackbard> re rene
01:29 < tsa> rock linux - built to beat HP-SolIrix 
01:30 < tsa> could have some copyright implications..
01:30 < esden> rene: was bastelst du ?
01:30 < esden> tsa: some ... yes ;-)
01:30 < rene> esden: Mein grafik tablet under X ...
01:31 < esden> rene: asooo 
01:31 < rene> ist aber nicht soo toll zum skizzieren wie ich dachte ...
01:31 < esden> rene: echt ?
01:31 < esden> rene: ich habe es mal ausprobiert ... ich fand es geil
01:32 < rene> ne sieht voll scheiße aus, wenn man schnell was skizziert ...
01:32 < tsa> hehe-
01:32 * -> esden kein grafiker :-(
01:33 * tsa auch nich
01:33 * rene halb ...
01:33 < rene> hab aber lange das tablet nicht benutzt - und noch nie fuer skizzen ...
01:34 < rene> man das sieht ja aus als ob ich nicht schreiben koentne ...
01:34 < tsa> lol
01:34 < esden> rene: vielleicht zu sensibel eingestellt ?
01:35 < rene> esden: soll ich X nochmal restarten ?
01:36 < esden> rene: wenn der restart meiner und anderer chatter gesundheit gefaerden sollte dann nicht ;-)
01:36 < tsa> rene: das hier find ich recht cool:
01:36 < tsa> http://www2.rocklinux.de/bann-butt/pic006.jpg
01:36 < tsa> das waere IMHO poster-kandidat..
01:37 < rene> hehe
01:37 < tsa> kurzer praegnanter satz, nen bissel bunt dazu.
01:37 < tsa> passt.
01:38 < rene> but on the linuxtag many people will know linux anyway - so I do not know if such switch to linux poster is what we need ...
01:41 < tsa> what do we want - funny stuff to attract or tech stuff to explain
01:41 < tsa> http://www.jaenicke.org/pics/1862.jpg   <- with s,beer,rock linux,
01:43 < rene> you are tight - maybe the funny stuff is a good idea ;-)
01:44 < tsa> we'll need both things. 
01:44 < tsa> i've someone would do a diagram of the build scripts, that would help a lot.
01:45 < tsa> some text can be taken from old stuff.
01:45 < rene> tsa: do you mean a detaild diagram that would help ROCK developers (I think this would be uite impossible to comer many details in it ...) or a pseudeo digram showing the important parts of it ?
01:46 * rene restarting X
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01:49 < esden> and replace the date with 1998 or so ...
01:49 < esden> then the poster is prefect ...
01:53 < tsa> ack
01:54 < esden> or better "ROCKLinux" "Helping ugly sysadmins have sex since 1998!"
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01:55 < tsa> hehe
01:55 < tsa> re rene
01:55 < esden> or "ROCKLinux" "Helping sysadmins have sex since 1998!"
01:55 < hackbard> http://www.hackdaworld.dyndns.org/pics/rock-lt-1try.jpg
01:55 -!- rene is now known as rxr_xchat
01:55 < tsa> rene: just the most important stuff of the build system. we don't want the people to become rock developers, they just should get a rough idea how rock stuff works
01:55 < hackbard> meiner esrten gimp versuche :-D
01:56 < rxr_xchat> hackbard: looks great ;-)
01:56 < hackbard> hehe :p
01:56 < esden> hackbard: not life ... enjoy sun ..
01:56 < esden> and not graveyardshifts
01:57 < tsa> http://www.jaenicke.org/pics/stressred.gif  <-- we could give this to the SuSE people..
01:58 < rxr_xchat> *lol*
01:58 < esden> "take the cd in the circle" (und da sind rock rohlinge in dem ring ...)
01:59 * -> esden labert langsam schrott ... 
01:59 < rxr_xchat>  http://212.202.173.94/rene/files/rock-scatch.jpg
01:59 < rxr_xchat> warnung: grobe skizze !!!
02:00 < rxr_xchat> muss noch ordentlich und bunt werden ...
02:01 < tsa> ack.
02:01 < hackbard> jo, hat was.
02:01 < esden> rxr_xchat: gut gefaellt mir ... (von der idee halt)
02:01 < tsa> idee gut.
02:01 < tsa> schrift verbesserungsfaehig ;)
02:01 < rxr_xchat> hey ich kann schreiben - das talbet suckt nur so extrem
02:01 < hackbard> hehe
02:01 < rxr_xchat> ist 5 jahre alt oder so ...
02:03 < rxr_xchat> ok was soll noch rein ?
02:03 < tsa> die subdists
02:04 < hackbard> hmm, wird das nich soviel
02:04 < hackbard> so is doch gut, oder?
02:04 < hackbard> ausserdem, welche subdists? *g
02:05 < tsa> read-only, router, ..
02:05 < hackbard> und die lassen sich vernuenftig erstellen? im 1.5 / 1.7 ?
02:06 < rxr_xchat> in 17 gibt es die gerade nicht mehr ...
02:06 < tsa> derzeit - keine ahnung...ich habe vor 4 monaten oder so mal mit 1.5 nen read-only system gebaut.
02:06 < tsa> das war stressfrei.
02:06 < tsa> bei 1.7 entfallen die afaik
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02:07 < rxr_xchat> in 1.7 werden wir aber nen richtiges live CD system bekommen ...
02:07 < hackbard> also ich wuerde es so lassen
02:07 < tsa> live cd system?
02:08 < hackbard> sogar die schrift - kommt eigentlich schon cool!
02:08 < hackbard> vielleicht ein _bisschen_ sauberer
02:08 < hackbard> und dann noch irgendwas ... nur was .. ?!?
02:11 < tsa> hm...
02:14 < tsa> irgendwie bin ich ueberhaupt nicht kreativ.
02:18 < esden> wollt ihr diagramm fuer 1.5 oder 1.7 machen ?
02:18 < tsa> 1.7
02:18 < tsa> imho.
02:19 < esden> wenn 1.7 dann gibt es keine subdists sondern targets
02:20 < tsa> auch ok
02:20 < tsa> ist der Rest eingeschlafen?
02:20 < rxr_xchat> ne male
02:20 < esden> und mommentan gibt es nur 3 funktionierende (wenn man dass so nennen will) oder besser 2 wenn man den dependancy target rauslaesst
02:21 < tsa> rxr_xchat: achso...ok
02:21 < hackbard> generic und?
02:21 < tsa> esden: naja, das ist ja erweiterbar..
02:21 < hackbard> aüpropos, wie mache ich targets?
02:22 < esden> tsa: sicher ... was glaubst du was ich gerade mache ;-)
02:22 < hackbard> ich guck mal
02:22 < tsa> esden: die dietlibc vergewaltigen, vermutliche ..
02:22 < tsa> -e
02:23 < tsa> hackbard: target/*
02:23 < rxr_xchat> tsa: schau dir mal das jpg an ...
02:24 < esden> tsa: du hast es zwar sehr dezent ausgedrueckt aber deine aussage ist im ansatz richtig ;-)
02:24 < tsa> esden: hehe
02:24 < tsa> rxr_xchat: Jupp! Das gefaellt mir echt gut.
02:25 < tsa> btw...deine handschrift mit dem gfx-tablett sieht aus, als haettest du grad nen kilo koks gefressen ;-)
02:26 < rxr_xchat> ..*LLOOLL**
02:26 < tsa> ;-)
02:26 < rxr_xchat> ich kann das ja mal auf papier malen und einscannen ;-) Dann sieht das gleich 2000%  besser aus ...
02:26 < esden> tja rxr_xchat jetzt ist es raus ...
02:26 < tsa> jaja, ist schon klar. war auch nur eine spontane assoziation...
02:27 < tsa> dass das spaeter nochmal durch gimp oder dia oder so muss, ist mir auch selber klar ;)
02:27 < rxr_xchat> tsa: das kommt aus gimp ...
02:27 < tsa> gimp will hier derzeit grad nicht bauen, die gnome2-integration ist schon zu weit..
02:28 < tsa> rxr_xchat: hm...auch gut ;)
02:28 < tsa> (meckert ueber glib-prefix und pkg-config krams)
02:28 < tsa> naja, egal.
02:28 < rxr_xchat> hae ?
02:29 < tsa> moment..
02:29 < tsa> # ./scripts/Build-Pkg gimp
02:29 < rxr_xchat> updated
02:29 < tsa> > checking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.0... no
02:29 < tsa> > *** A new enough version of pkg-config was not found.
02:29 < tsa> > *** See http://www.freedesktop.org/software/pkgconfig/
02:29 < tsa> > configure: error: Test for GLIB failed. See the file 'INSTALL' for h ..
02:29 < tsa> > Command returned exit status 1.
02:29 < tsa> $root/var/adm/logs/9-gimp.out -> 9-gimp.err
02:30 < tsa> glib 1.2.10
02:30 < rxr_xchat> tihs is gimp 1.3.x and needs glib-2 gtk+2 ... did# you installed them ?
02:30 < tsa> noe, bisher nicht.
02:31 < hackbard> jo, glib hatte bei mir auch nen error (vor kurzem)
02:31 < tsa> ich will mir das system nicht unbedingt gleich zerschiessen..
02:31 < rxr_xchat> tsa: ja dann warte noch mal nen paar tage bis gnome2 in rock komplett tut b...
02:31 < hackbard> bist du nicht im chroot?
02:32 < tsa> hackbard: noe, ich bau seit ewigkeiten immer einzelne packages...klappt prima.
02:32 < tsa> seit ewigkeiten = seit 1.4.0
02:32 < hackbard> cool, kann ich binutils gefahrlos updaten?
02:32 < tsa> binutils 2.12.90.0.1 1.7.0-DEV-200203272252
02:32 < tsa> sieht so aus.
02:33 < rxr_xchat> binutils ja
02:33 < hackbard> cool, dann kann ich ja endlich gcc31 native bauen :)
02:33 < rxr_xchat> das einzig gefährliche ist glibc - aber das tut in 1.7 jetzt auch (laut Cliff ...)#
02:33 < tsa> hm..
02:33 < rxr_xchat> tsa: das poster so ungefähr, nur in sauber ;-)?
02:33 < tsa> rxr_xchat: jupp. definitiv.
02:34 < tsa> glibc-update mit scripts/Build-Pkg? neeee..
02:34 < tsa> das hatte ich doch gemacht.
02:34 < tsa> ergebnis - alte headerfiles.
02:35 < rxr_xchat> ja, war aber nur schlimm, weil glibc-2.1 nach 2.2 keien DB mehr hat ...
02:35 < rxr_xchat> minor updates sind unprobelmatisch
02:35 < tsa> jupp.
02:35 < tsa> 2.1.x -> 2.2.x gibt stress, 2.1.x -> 2.1.x oder 2.2.x -> 2.2.x sollte stressfrei laufen
02:36 < rxr_xchat> tsa: mehr poster moregen abend ?
02:36 < tsa> ok.
02:36 < tsa> dann sind wir vielleicht auch wieder kreativer..
02:37 < tsa> btw..
02:37 < tsa> gnome2 prefix in scripts/Config
02:37 < tsa> steht per default auf "opt/gnome2"
02:37 < rxr_xchat> ich werde jetzt noch nen bissel java hacken ...
02:37 < tsa> muss da nicht noch nen "/" davor?
02:37 < esden> rxr_xchat: in more to came archinectures kuenntest welche auffueheren (PA-RISC zb)
02:38 < rxr_xchat> tsa: nein - da kommt entweder noch $root/ oder nur / davor ...
02:38 < esden> und mips ist ner der crossbuild mueglich oder mehr ?
02:38 < tsa> rxr_xchat: achso...dann ist das ja doch ok.
02:38 < tsa> rxr_xchat: hast du eigentlich zugriff auf Documentation/TEAM?
02:38 * tsa will da auch mal mit rein ;)
02:39 < rxr_xchat> tsa: einfach mail an cliff - und es sollte im naechsten snap drin sein ...
02:39 < tsa> rxr_xchat: 
02:39 < tsa> ack.
02:39 < tsa> N: Martin Sieper
02:39 < tsa> N: Drew Metz
02:39 < tsa> hm...
02:39 < tsa> who is this?
02:40 < rxr_xchat> tsa: dont't know ;-)
02:40 < tsa> esden is missing, too.
02:40 < tsa> hackbard too
02:40 * -> esden is small and Documentation/TEAM unworthy 
02:41 < tsa> esden: strong NACK.
02:41 < esden> lol
02:41 < tsa> you have to be in there. someone has to be responsible for dietlibc stuff. ;)
02:42 < esden> nonono do not include me there ... I will get killed for abusing dietlibc so much ;-0
02:42 < tsa> hahahaha
02:43 < esden> this is not funny
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02:43 < esden> I am really scared to the bones
02:44 < esden> to the bare bones
02:44 * tsa laughing.
02:44 < rxr_xchat> tsa ich schreibe im zoom gerade mal die schrift neu
02:44 < rxr_xchat> schau dir mal die archs an ;-)
02:44 < tsa> esden: at least you have a good reason to make a nice dietlibc target now..
02:44 < tsa> ;)
02:44 < tsa> rxr_xchat: ok..
02:45 < rxr_xchat> so sieht das ja bald wirklich ganz ok aus ;-)
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02:45 < esden> tsa: yes I have ...;-)
02:45 < esden> rxr_xchat: looks good
02:45 < tsa> rxr_xchat: x86-64 should be "IA-64"
02:46 < SMP> erm. no
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02:46 < tsa> and base - linux should perhaps get "(kernel)"
02:46 < tsa> SMP: hm?
02:47 < esden> tsa IA-64 != x86-64
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02:47 < rxr_xchat> tsa: no there is a difference
02:47 < tsa> where's the difference?
02:47 < tsa> ia = intel only?
02:47 < rxr_xchat> IA-64 => Intel Intanium stuff
02:47 < tsa> ia = intel assholes?
02:47 < SMP> tsa: where have you been living that last year?!
02:47 < esden> ia-64 incompatible to x86 processors
02:47 < rxr_xchat> x86-64 => AMD Hammer fluff
02:47 < tsa> ah, ok.
02:48 < tsa> SMP: i'm not sure if i actually do live at all.. ;)
02:48 < tsa> can anyone prove my existence? ;)
02:49 < ringo78> Though typest so though art, unless though are  a bot !
02:49 < tsa> hahaha
02:50 < tsa> ok, i'll go to get myself some sleep, anyway.
02:50 < tsa> have fun, everybody.
02:50 < esden> n8 tsa 
02:50 < tsa> we'll talk tomorrow and hopefully finish the poster stuff.
02:50 < tsa> n8 *
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02:58 < esden> n8 *
03:03 < ringo78> Anybody have some expirience with Python + TCL/TK (Need it for fetchmail config util)?
03:04 < ringo78> n8 esden !! 
03:04 < SMP> *yuck* Tk
03:05 < ringo78> Whats wrong with Tk ? 
03:06 < SMP> it looks awkful
03:06 < SMP> anyway you'd rather want to find a native Python interface to Tk and not use TCL
03:06 < SMP> or use Gtk ;)
03:08 < ringo78> OK, thanks !
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03:10 < SMP> I think Glade works with Python
03:12 < ringo78> I just installe TCL and TCK but get a messie _tkinter not found. But I'll look @ all the possibilities !
03:16 < huebi> n8
03:16 < huebi> n8
03:17 < hackbard_> jau, n8
03:17 < hackbard_> me too
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03:40 < rxr_xchat> new version online
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04:14 < rxr_xchat> und noch nen update
04:14 < rxr_xchat> n8
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07:51 < rxr> re
08:01 < huebi> moin rxr ;-)
08:04 < huebi> off to work...
08:22 < rxr> huebi: Moin!
08:22 < rxr> Hasst du schoen den Rolling ROCK text? Ich habe gerade den dRock text vorgeschrieben ...
08:22 < rxr> cu am Nachmittag :-)
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08:56 < fd0> god morning
08:56 < fd0> +o
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09:01 < capchaos> morning fd0
09:02 < fd0> morning again  :)
09:03 < capchaos> need s.th. to laugh: http://communities.msn.com/LinuxFreaks/home.htm
09:04 < fd0> who would want an msn community for non ms stuff :))
09:31 < capchaos> dunno
09:44 < praenti> moin
09:45 < praenti> rxr: da?
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10:38 < bluefire> Moin
10:56 < huebi> Moep!
11:00 < rxr> re
11:00 < rxr> jups praenti 
11:01 < huebi> hi rxr 
11:08 < rxr> hi huebi 
11:08 < rxr> drocklinux.dyndns.org/rene/files/rock-scatch.jpg
11:08 < rxr> maybe someone has some ideas for this poster :-)
11:13 < th> re und guten morgen
11:13 < rxr> ok I'm off to FH - cu
11:13 < rxr> hi und bye th :-)
11:13 < th> later rxr
11:26 < huebi> moin th ;-)
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11:30 < huebi> hi term_emu 
11:34 < huebi> th: Die Java Stations stehen fertig bereit zum Abholen.
11:34 < th> huebi: genial
11:35 < huebi> Jetzt muss ich mir nur noch ein Auto organisieren und dann kann ich sie zwischen 13h00 und 16h00 abholen.
11:36 < th> wo ist das denn?
11:36 < huebi> In Darmstadt Arheiligen.
11:37 < th> ahja
11:38 < th> bringst ja dann beide mit nach KA damit sie fuer mich in WR zum abholen liegen
11:39 < huebi> th: Geht auf jeden Fall klar. ;-)
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11:50 < holyolli> moin
11:53 < huebi> hi holyolli. Wie hoeren sich eigendlich Elche an? ;-)
11:53 < holyolli> moin huebi...
11:53 < holyolli> *hm* lustig
11:53 < holyolli> ;)
11:53 < holyolli> sie röhren
11:54 < huebi> MuuuhhhELlchchch?
11:54 < holyolli> (wenn man das so nennen kann)
11:54 < holyolli> *lol*
11:54 < huebi> So wie ruelpsen? Nur laenger und lauter?
11:54 < huebi> ;-)
11:55 < holyolli> jo
11:55 < holyolli> in etwa
11:55 < holyolli> ;)=
11:56 < holyolli> ach huebi...wo hattest du eigendlich diese lc-displays bestellt?
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11:56 < hackbard> moin
11:57 < holyolli> moin hackbard
12:03 < huebi> holyolli: Bei einer vieel zu teuren Fa. in Muenchen oder so. Wenn du welche brauchst, sag bescheid. Ich will noch mal welche ueber einen Freund bestellen.
12:03 < huebi> hi hackbard 
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12:07 < holyolli> huebi: ich braucht eigendilch nur eins... ;)
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12:14 < huebi> holyolli: Eins habe ich noch, das kannst du direkt haben. Ich muss zuhause nur noch mal den Preis nachsehen. Der war,IIRC 30-35 EUR
12:16 < hackbard> ich idiot ... das schaut nach neuinstallation aus ;(
12:17 < hackbard> nicht zu frueh am morgen mit root hantieren ..
12:17 < huebi> hackbard: Mein Beileid. ;(
12:18 < hackbard> 1.7 hinterlaesst bei mir immer im mount ewig viele eintraege, dei nichtmehr existieren
12:19 < hackbard> und ich wollte was dgagen tun *g
12:19 < hackbard> naja, scheisse
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12:40 < th> so. wochenende ruft.
12:40 < th> auf zum lieblings motos ;)
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13:16 < esden> morning
13:17 < esden> is rxr somewhere around ?
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13:58 < armijn> re
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14:11 < fd0> yo
14:11 < armijn> yo
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15:23 < netcrow> esden: here?
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15:27 < huebi> re
15:27 < huebi> Now, I've got 3 Java Station "Krups" 
15:29 < huebi> really looking kool *g*
15:29 * huebi is searching a screw driver...
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15:44 < esden> netcrow: I am here ...
15:44 < huebi> hi esden 
15:44 * -> esden away: duschen
15:44 < esden> hi huebi 
15:54 < netcrow> showercam.esden.net - only 5 $ per minute
15:57 < huebi>  
15:57 < huebi> Pleas insert coin!
15:57 < huebi>         _
15:57 < huebi>        | |
15:57 < huebi>        | |
15:57 < huebi>        | | 
15:57 < huebi>        | |
15:57 < huebi>        | |
15:57 < huebi>         -
15:57 < huebi>  
15:58 < netcrow> *lol*
16:11 < rxr> re
16:17 < huebi> hi rene
16:17 < rxr> hi huebi 
16:17 * rxr mal wieder wech ...
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16:19 < armijn> re
16:22 < fd0> re
16:23 < armijn> huebi: awake?
16:23 < armijn> huebi: still no mention of 1.5.15 on the ROCK website...
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16:26 < armijn> and I hate that
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16:50 < uninvited> Haaaaaaaallo ! Heeeeeeeeello !
16:52 < netcrow> *duck*
16:53 < huebi> re armijn 
16:54 < huebi> You mean on www.rocklinux.net?
16:54 < armijn> no
16:54 < armijn> on rocklinux.org
16:55 < huebi> armijn: That should be cliffords job. I'll update my area tonight on .org
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16:58 < armijn> where's your area?
16:59 < huebi> http://www.rocklinux.org/people/huebi/rock16/
16:59 < huebi> http://www.rocklinux.org/people/huebi/
16:59 < armijn> ok
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17:00 < huebi> I must rewrite all that stuff. It's rather outdated.
17:00 < armijn> yes it is
17:00 < armijn> but on the frontpage if rocklinux.org it still says 1.5.12
17:01 < huebi> armijn: If I have a good summary on my page Clifford can update the frontpage.
17:01 < huebi> But now I leave. I have to test the Java Stations ;-)
17:01 < armijn> and all the stuff needs to be mirrored before we send out an announcement to LWN
17:02 < armijn> JavaStations!
17:02 < huebi> Yes. Three Krups
17:02 < armijn> whooho!
17:02 < armijn> great
17:02 < huebi> armijn: Do you want to have one, too?
17:02 < armijn> depends
17:02 < armijn> for how much?
17:04 < huebi> 64MB RAM / 8MB Flash RAM + DE or UK Keyboard + mouse + powersupply for 116 EUR + shipping
17:04 < armijn> 116 EUR?
17:04 < huebi> Yesz
17:04 < armijn> nah, already got a Krupps :)
17:04 < huebi> ah, ok
17:04 < armijn> but thanks for the offer :)
17:04 < armijn> 116 EUR, that's not too much actually
17:04 < armijn> nice deal
17:04 < armijn> but go and test them!
17:05 < huebi> Yes. I bought them at Livingston
17:05 < huebi> th gets two of them.
17:05 < armijn> nice
17:11 < huebi> I updated mozilla to 1.0rc3
17:11 < armijn> kewl
17:12 < armijn> whee!
17:12 < huebi> I just test the new patches and if it compiles.
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17:12 < d3mian> hi
17:13 < huebi> hi d3mian. Good morning
17:13 < huebi> ;-)
17:13 < d3mian> thanx huebi ;-)
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17:20 < huebi> cu later
17:20 < armijn> cu
17:22 < d3mian> cu
17:23 < bluefire> re
17:25 < bluefire> So'n Shit... jetzt stört das dämliche DECT auch noch meine Funktastatur. 
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17:33 < armijn> I'm off
17:33 < armijn> cu
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18:02 < huebi> re\
18:03 < d3mian> wb huebi 
18:43 < d3mian> culater
18:44 < huebi> cu d3mian 
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19:00 < blindcoder> hi everyone
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19:17 < tsa> moin
19:17 < d3mian> hi tsa 
19:18 < tsa> hi d3mian
19:19 < tsa> everybody else asleep?
19:21 < tsa> hm..
19:24 < blindcoder> almost ;)
19:25 < blindcoder> hi d3mian, tsa
19:25 < tsa> hehe
19:25 < tsa> hi blindcoder
19:25 < tsa> so it's at least three people awake ;-)
19:25 < huebi> hi tsa 
19:26 < tsa> oh
19:26 < tsa> hi huebi
19:26 < blindcoder> hi huebi 
19:26 < huebi> hi blindcoder 
19:27 < huebi> neues Spielzeug: 
19:27 < huebi>  
19:27 < huebi> JavaStation                                                               
19:27 < huebi> OpenBoot 3.12.FW14, 64 MB memory installed, Serial #9785097.              
19:27 < huebi> Ethernet address 08:00:20:95:4f:09, Host ID: 80954f09.                    
19:27 < huebi>  
19:27 < huebi> ;-)
19:27 < tsa> nice.
19:27 < tsa> expensive?
19:27 < huebi> 116 EUR
19:27 < tsa> hm...sounds ok, i guess.
19:27 < tsa> > > I deleted a bunch of useless files in /lib, and now the system's stopped    
19:27 < tsa> > > working! SOLARIS SUCKS!!!!>!!!@!
19:28 < huebi> armijn said so 
19:28 < tsa> hahaha.
19:28 < huebi> tsa: *lol*
19:28 < tsa> Group: comp.unix.solaris
19:28 < d3mian> brb
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19:28 < tsa> some people really should stay with windoze.
19:28 -!- d3m|an [~demian@208.165.55.137] has joined #rocklinux
19:28 < tsa> re d3m|an
19:28 < d3m|an> :)
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19:30 < huebi> tsa: No. They should get back the abacus.
19:30 < tsa> hehe - nice idea.
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19:42 < tsa> hi sockmonk
19:42 < d3mian> hi sockmonk
19:45 < tsa> ok, i'm gone for a while, trying to get the scsi controller working in the u10 and probably reinstalling..
19:45 < tsa> cu
19:45 < d3mian> cu later tsa
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19:45 < d3mian> i go too
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19:48 < sockmonk> hi everyone
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20:27 < Mike1> Hi
20:27 < capchaos> moin
20:27 < Mike1> hi there capchaos 
20:28 < capchaos> today is the worst day of the weekend..
20:28 < capchaos> ;-)
20:28 < Mike1> ?
20:32 < huebi> hi Miguel ;-)
20:32 < huebi> I got the JavaStations. kool fun stuff.
20:33 < huebi> no Im of to the pub. I'm meeting with the Linux User Group in this town ;-)
20:33 < Mike1> huebi hi, have fun
20:34 < huebi> Mike1: Thank you! I'll have good fun. cu later
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21:12 < holyolli> moin
21:12 < capchaos> hi holyolli
21:13 < holyolli> hi capchaos
21:45 -!- uninvited [uninvited@p50802C7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ROCKLINUX
21:45 < uninvited> hello !
21:46 < capchaos> hi uninvited
21:48 < capchaos> could anyone show me an example of smbmount command?
21:55 < uninvited> Can someone help me with a telnet question ?
21:56 < uninvited> Is there a way to send commands with a telnet command ? e.g.: telnet 192.168.0.254 --password abc123 ?
21:56 < uninvited> Or like that ?
21:56 < holyolli> uninvited: moin erstmal...
21:56 < holyolli> what is your problem?
21:57 < holyolli> do want to enter a password interactively?
21:57 < uninvited> Ich hab nen Hardwarerouter (<-- ist nicht das Problem) und beim Einloggen muss ich jedes Mal PW eingeben.
21:57 < uninvited> Ich würde den Router gerne "steuern".
21:57 < holyolli> ne cisco?
21:57 < uninvited> Neee.
21:58 < uninvited> Ist zu Hause fuers Heim-LAN
21:58 < holyolli> ha
21:58 < uninvited> ist n NETGEAR RT311
21:58 < holyolli> also prinzipiell kannst du das mit expect machen
21:58 < holyolli> und dann per script steuern
21:58 < holyolli> also expect erwartet halt eine zeichenkette und du kannst dann mit "send" was senden
21:59 < uninvited> expect ?
21:59 < uninvited> erzähl.
21:59 < holyolli> vom prinzip her irgendwie so: '   expect "Password:" send "geheim"
21:59 < uninvited> geht das auch unter WIn32 ?
21:59 < holyolli> hm
21:59 < holyolli> wahrscheinlich nicht, aber da gibts telnetprogramme, die sowas schon eingebaut haben
22:00 < uninvited> Hast du ein Beispiel fuer ein solchiges ?
22:00 < holyolli> telnetprogramm?
22:01 < holyolli> ich weiss nich, ob putty das vieleicht kann
22:01 < holyolli> kann dein router denn snmp? sonst kannst du es ja auch damit machen
22:01 < uninvited> snmp...moment sollte schon. Check ich schnell ab.
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22:03 < uninvited> schade. Q:Does the router support snmp A: not at this time.
22:04 < holyolli> hm
22:04 < uninvited> Nee, aktuelle Firmware unterstütz kein SNMP
22:04 < uninvited> Apropos SNMP: wie führe ich das aus ?
22:05 < holyolli> unter linux gibt es "snmpwalk"
22:05 < holyolli> damit kannst du die sachen auf jeden fall auslesen
22:05 < holyolli> für alles andere muss ich leider auch auf how-tos verweisen... :-/
22:05 < holyolli> tsa hat da heute bei der arbeit was mit gemacht...vieleicht weiss der mehr
22:06 < uninvited> Okay. Also erstmal danke.
22:06 < uninvited> Mal sehen ich dränge die NETGEARler dazu snmp endlich in die Firmware aufzunehmen.
22:07 < uninvited> *G*
22:07 < holyolli> jo
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22:20 < ripclaw> hi folks.
22:21 < thalerim> good evening/good morning/good afternoon
22:21 < ripclaw> just wanted to pop in here in case someone has immediate questions regarding anything.
22:21 < ripclaw> thalerim: its evening here.. (Europe/Frankfurt)
22:21 < thalerim> f.a.m?
22:21 < ripclaw> gonna go to bed in a few minutes, i`m toasted from this week.
22:21 < ripclaw> thalerim: yes.
22:22 < ripclaw> thalerim: 50 km south of FFM on A5.
22:22 < thalerim> mehr nach rheinland-pfalz oder mehr anch hessen ?
22:22 < ripclaw> suedhessen, odenwald randgebiet nahe heppenheim/pfungstadt.
22:23 * ripclaw hat morgen ehrenamtlich grilldienst um 10:00h und danach noch viel bockmist im kopp.
22:23 < thalerim> hm, ich wohn ne stunde von frankfurt weg
22:23 < thalerim> 20minuten bis mainz, in bad kreuznach
22:23 < ripclaw> thalerim: welche ecke ? kreuznach... hmmm.
22:24 < ripclaw> das is cool. 
22:24 < ripclaw> da kann man mal eben hinzappen :-)
22:25 < thalerim> *g* yo.
22:25 < thalerim> dummerweise ist es mit mir so, dass ich nen guten freund in mainz kenne, aber noch nie bei ihm war *g*
22:25 < thalerim> als schueler ist man da eher beschränkt :-/
22:25 < ripclaw> http://www.rocklinux.org/people/ripclaw/images/pictures/bike/honda_official/
22:26 < ripclaw> ich kenn ne gute moeglichkeit mal eben von der arbeit (eschborn) nach da drueben zu kommen und die oelmulti`s happy zu machne :-)
22:27 < thalerim> oelmutlis ???
22:27 < ripclaw> ölmulti`s (shell, esso, aral, etc)
22:27 < ripclaw> man nehme mopped und jage 12l super auf 100 durch :-)
22:28 < thalerim> hrhr, achso :-)
22:28 < thalerim> ich hobs da awos missverstondn
22:29 < thalerim> hübsches ding
22:29 * ripclaw looks at pictures of guzzi v11 sport and starts to grin...
22:29 < ripclaw> http://www.motoguzzi.it/eng/v11rm_spo.html
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22:29 < ripclaw> har har... haben will !
22:29 * uninvited_away is looking @snmp specs
22:31 < ripclaw> thalerim: damit kommt man ruck zuck nach kreuznach...
22:32 < thalerim> das glaub ich dir sogar :-P
22:32 < ripclaw> und das werd ich morgen mal wieder durch die lande bewegen, egal was das wetter so sagt.
22:32 * ripclaw hhowls....
22:32 < ripclaw> awoooooooooooooooooooo hooooo !
22:33 < thalerim> mh.
22:34 < thalerim> hoffentlich fällste net :-)
22:34 < ripclaw> hab schon 2x hinter mir, kommt so schnell net mehr vor, man wird intelligenter - schlaege auf den hinterkopf und so.
22:36 < thalerim> *g* :-P
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22:37 < tsa> re..
22:37 < thalerim> dere
22:38 * tsa installing solaris software companion cd..
22:38 < ripclaw> hi tsa, don`t forget to install SUNWvts :-)
22:39 < tsa> hi ripclaw..
22:40 < tsa> just got rid of the damn ide disk....
22:40 < ripclaw> ?
22:40 < tsa> i had an 10gb ide disk in the sun before..
22:40 < tsa> nothing else..
22:40 < tsa> now a 4gb scsi....need to get another one..
22:41 < tsa> ide sucks..
22:42 < ripclaw> ide has one advantage i really love - some of the drives are below 25dBA - which allows me to sleep again, compared to SCSI Fibre arrays...
22:42 < uninvited_away> har har har
22:42 < tsa> hehe..
22:43 < tsa> well....if you have an a1000 you want to get rid of, just tell me ;-)
22:43 < ripclaw> but fibre arrays have an advantage over ide, too -  if you have a large enough house (which i don`t have), you can store them far away, since fibre allows about 1km :-)
22:43 < tsa> you'll need a large house for 1km fcal..
22:43 < ripclaw> tsa: i have RSM which i dont wanna get rid of - 108 gb in 30 disks, loud like hell
22:44 < uninvited_away> or put em up outside on your balcony, which has many advantages in winter - allows passive cooling ;-)
22:44 < ripclaw> and a big pocket - 1km fcal is $$$
22:44 < tsa> i can imagine that..
22:44 < ripclaw> tsa: putting it outside is a bad idea with that MTBF.
22:44 < tsa> well, i'll still have to get another disk for this box..4gb isn't too much sapce..
22:45 < tsa> did you already have a look at solaris 9?
22:45 < ripclaw> tsa: the question is - may i tell so, if.
22:45 < tsa> th
22:45 < tsa> i don't know..
22:46 < tsa> ..and won't ask any further ;)
22:46 < ripclaw> i work for sun as an external consultant.
22:46 < tsa> yes, i know. 
22:46 < ripclaw> i can tell you that sunsolve already has patches for solaris 9, i can tell you what the press says, etc.
22:46 < ripclaw> i can tell you that you`ll like solaris 9.
22:46 < ripclaw> :-)
22:46 < tsa> patches - just a few days after the release? uh..
22:47 < thalerim> ripclaw: where is linux superior, where solaris ?
22:47 < ripclaw> no - BEFORE the official release the first patchsets to the release date checkout where avialable officially.
22:47 < ripclaw> thalerim: official answer: check ultralinux.org - ...
22:47 < ripclaw> unofficial one.
22:47 < tsa> i already considered getting it, but solaris9 doesn't seem to be available in .de at the moment..
22:48 < tsa> i wasn't able to find asingle word on solaris9 on sun.de ..
22:48 < ripclaw> solaris scales better with more cpus, is faster on high end boxes.
22:48 < ripclaw> tsa - it should - call sun 06103-752-0 and ask mr. hess for someone from edu sales, i suppose.
22:49 < ripclaw> mom
22:51 < ripclaw> sorry - i don`t have a number of someone from sales that sells to universities etc - try asking for OE ambassador ulrich graef.
22:51 < thalerim> ripclaw: don't you want go to sleep? :-)
22:51 < thalerim> i will right now
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22:51 < tsa> hefrom what i've read on sun.com solaris9 will be available for single-cpu machines for free..
22:51 < rxr> re
22:51 < ripclaw> thalerim - yes. thnx for reminder. i need to, since i gotta get up early.
22:51 < tsa> hi rxr
22:51 < thalerim> me either
22:51 < rxr> my dsl connect still sucks ...
22:52 < ripclaw> tsa: on sparc that doesnt count too much - you can still install, since each cpu encloses a license :-)
22:52 < ripclaw> rxr re & tschoe.
22:52 < tsa> rxr: same problems as yesterday?
22:52 * ripclaw is sleepy
22:52 < thalerim> 5h sleeps does swallow a lot of my vital power
22:52 < ripclaw> ok, folks, time to take a bath and go for a sleep ...
22:52 < ripclaw> thalerim: i did the entire week with 3-4 hours sleep a day. i am EXHAUSTED
22:52 < tsa> ripclaw: i know...but i guess i'll get myself a copy anyway, to get the docs stuff etc..
22:53 < tsa> uh.
22:53 < ripclaw> :-)
22:53 < ripclaw> tsa: way to go.
22:53 < thalerim> ripclaw: have a nice dream.. anyway ;-)
22:53 < ripclaw> good nicht every one.
22:53 < tsa> cu ripclaw..
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22:54 < tsa> ok...software companion cd finished.
22:56 < tsa> next thing. gnome. ;)
22:56 < rxr> tsa: yes same prob as yesterday :-(
22:56 < tsa> rxr: any progress regarding poster stuff?
22:56 < tsa> rxr: hm...strange...
22:57 < rxr> I updated the poster last night
22:58 < rxr> (rewrote all text to be erhm look ordendlicher ...
22:58 < rxr> )
22:58 < tsa> hehe
22:58 < rxr> 212.202.175.2
22:58 < rxr> is my current IP - the dyndns entry will not work ...
22:58 < rxr> maybe you can take a look on the file ...
22:59 < rxr> tsa: what was about gnome?
22:59 < rxr> gnome for slowlaris?
22:59 < thalerim> rxr: neat, orderly
22:59 < tsa> i'm currently installing gnome 1.4 on my sun..
22:59 < rxr> ah
23:00 < rxr> thalerim: ah thanks - and I also ordentlich contains a typo ...
23:01 < tsa> hehe
23:01 < thalerim> rxr: so i may call you a lamer now? ;-P
23:01 < tsa> hehe
23:02 < tsa> don't think so..
23:02 < thalerim> seriously, i am just a perfectionistt
23:02 < thalerim> -e ;-)
23:02 < thalerim> erm, -t
23:03 * thalerim hears his bed call for him!
23:04 < rxr> *lol*
23:05 < tsa> what does it say?
23:05 < tsa> go away, you're too heavy? ;)
23:07 < thalerim> actually i am that sexy it's fallen to love
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23:07 < holyolli> re
23:07 < thalerim> now it demands for me for caressing
23:08 < rxr> was clifford_away online today ?
23:08 < thalerim> admitted that sound quite weird but that's the effect of being too long away
23:08 < tsa> don't know...i wasn't online today..
23:08 < thalerim> awake
23:11 * thalerim is listening to WIZO - Die letzte Sau
23:12 < thalerim> Und jetzt psrißtz das warme aus dem hals der letzten Sau
23:12 < tsa> Patch number 112438-01 has been successfully installed.
23:12 < thalerim> spritzt
23:12 < tsa> aah.
23:12 < thalerim> well, i think you all have to believe i am more than just insane
23:13 < tsa> one of the more important one's..
23:13 < thalerim> yes, you're right
23:13 < holyolli> is anybody using gdm?
23:14 < rxr> jo
23:14 < tsa> nope.
23:15 * tsa not using x11 login at all..
23:15 < holyolli> rxr: was ist bei dir unter /etc/gdm/Sessions ? irgendwie ist da bei der installation nichts reingekommen und gdm mag das irgendwie nicht... =)
23:15 < holyolli> tsa: mh? startx?
23:15 < tsa> jupp.
23:16 < tsa> dummdidumm..
23:16 < tsa> kiste, mach hin mit gnome-install..
23:16 < tsa> *tret*
23:17 < holyolli> hehe....sind deine cpus doch zu langsam? *duck*
23:17 < tsa> ist nur eine..
23:17 < holyolli> die sun?
23:17 < tsa> jo.
23:17 < rxr> holyolli: er
23:17 < tsa> reinstall.
23:17 < tsa> nu laeuft die kiste auf scsi.
23:18 < holyolli> oh. wie kommts?
23:18 < tsa> (naja, eine 4gb platte)
23:18 < tsa> mir war langweilig..
23:18 < tsa> ;)
23:18 < holyolli> *fg* hast du keine frau?
23:18 < holyolli> ;)
23:18 < tsa> das musst du ja sagen... :-PP
23:19 < rxr> holyolli: da sind scripte fuer kde gnome icewm blackbox ...
23:19 < rxr> werden in dRock installiert ...
23:19 < holyolli> rxr: naja..in 1.5 scheinbar nicht... =)
23:19 < holyolli> kannst du mir das gnome-script mal bitte dccen?
23:19 < rxr> die gdm configs habe ich noch nicht gemergt ...
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23:20 < rxr> holyolli: hoe
23:20 < rxr> holyolli: noch nie mit irsii gedcc'ed ...
23:20 < holyolli> rxr: dann mails mir ;)
23:20 < rxr> und ich habe das file auch nicht auf der sun ...
23:20 < holyolli> axxo
23:20 < rxr> addr ?
23:20 < holyolli> oliver@regehr.net
23:21 < esden> re hi all
23:21 < holyolli> hi esden
23:21 < tsa> opfer@regehr.net sollte aber auch gehen ;)
23:21 < tsa> *duck*
23:21 < tsa> hoi esden
23:21 < holyolli> tsa: genauso, wie ja auch pappnase@jaenicke.org geht...
23:21 < tsa> jupp ;)
23:23 < rxr> holyolli: ok raus
23:23 < holyolli> danke
23:28 < tsa> hm...ich koennte definitiv mehr speicher gebrauchen...
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23:31 < holyolli> hi d3mian
23:31 < d3mian> hola
23:31 < rxr> tsa: was hast du da fuer eine sun ?
23:32 < tsa> rxr: u10, 300mhz, 256mb ram, creator fb, 4gb scsi platte
23:33 < tsa> duerfte ungefaehr das gleiche sein wie eure u5..
23:33 < esden> kommt der ripclaw noch ... ?
23:34 < tsa> esden: der ist schon wieder weg, wollte schlafen gehen..
23:34 < holyolli> esden: wahrscheinlich nicht
23:34 < tsa> hat wohl die letzten tage nicht mehr als 4h/nacht geschalfen..
23:34 < tsa> s,al,la,
23:34 < holyolli> esden: der ist auf so nem komischen motorradfahrertreffen, wo die ihr reifen kaputtfahren.. =)
23:34 < holyolli> ;)
23:35 < holyolli> brb
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23:41 < tsa> ich muss mal eben rebooten...brb
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