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00:24 < tsa> c
00:24 < tsa> you
00:24 < tsa> argh
00:24 < tsa> cu all.
00:24 < tsa> i'm away.
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00:32 < rxr> esden: bist du da ?
00:34 < rxr> esden: bist du da ?
00:39 < snyke> muh
00:40 < rxr> l
00:40 < rxr> arch I hate the irssi pager ...
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00:41 < rxr> I so often overlook the -- more -- notice :-(
00:44 < rxr> rene@jackson:~ > wc About-dRock.txt
00:44 < rxr>      66     511    3107 About-dRock.txt
00:44 < rxr> About dRock test for the rolling rock - should this ammount be enough ?
00:46 < rxr> are all asleep ???
00:47 < snyke> no
00:47 < snyke> me not - not me
00:48 < rxr> do you wanna prove read the dRock test ? ;-)
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00:49 < rxr> ok
00:49 < rxr> esden: I have a questions for you ...
00:49 < snyke> a questions?
00:49 < snyke> eine fragen?
00:50 < rxr> snyke: you can prove-read my drock text not the IRC typos ... *g*
00:51 < rxr> http://drocklinux.dyndns.org/rene/files/About-dRock.txt
00:51 < rxr> for the people who like to add some comments ...
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00:56 < hackbard_> looks good
00:56 < snyke> rxr: no
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00:56 < snyke> needn't read that :)
00:56 < snyke> *g*
00:59 < rxr> hackbard: the article ?
00:59 < hackbard> dont know anything you could add ..
00:59 < hackbard> yes
00:59 < rxr> ah ok - tnx
01:22 < th> huebi: noch wach?
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01:59 < d3mian> re
02:00 < rxr> 1hi d3mian 
02:00 < rxr> and good night I need sleep
02:01 < d3mian> sure .. sleep fine rene
02:04 < capchaos> good morning d3mian ;-)
02:05 < d3mian> morning to me?
02:06 < capchaos> yes. its somewhat 2:00 here
02:06 < capchaos> (my hwclock says 3:43 though..)
02:07 < d3mian> ok, here starting the night, the sun is hidding now
02:07 < d3mian> it's 18:08
02:07 < capchaos> teetime ;)
02:07 < capchaos> teatime i mean
02:08 < d3mian> what's teatime? -> time for tea?
02:08 < capchaos> yes
02:08 < d3mian> ic, we dont use to drink tea, but you can say:
02:08 < d3mian> coffetime
02:09 < d3mian> coffeetime, we drink a lot of coffee here
02:09 < capchaos> good as well
02:10 < capchaos> if i had to choose i'd do without coffee
02:10 < d3mian> hehe
02:32 < rxr> n8
02:32 < d3mian> cu
02:32 < capchaos> nite rxr
02:54 < d3mian> cu
02:54 < d3mian> sleep capchaos
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03:51 < hackbard> n8
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04:01 < esden> hi all
04:02 < esden> is someone still awake ?
04:08 < esden> cu all
04:08 < esden> n8
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08:44 < huebi> moin
08:54 < coldie> morning
09:18 * coldie wishes there was some reliable news source in India
09:22 < huebi> hi coldie ;-)
09:24 < coldie> hi :)
09:26 < huebi> coldie: what about foreign news sources?
09:28 < coldie> they are useful (bbc, sydney morning herald) but I want something I can trust that's closer to the source
09:29 < coldie> my gov't already issued a warning to consider leaving
09:29 < coldie> but there's not enough info yet to decide :/
09:42 < huebi> coldie: I had some experiences in Palestine. There you can trust only a few people what they say wath happend and what will happen in that country. It's quite difficult to get the right connections. The official news are normaly published to reach a goal not to say the truth
09:42 < coldie> yeah, I noticed that
09:43 < coldie> esp. in the newspaper here, there's so much stuff that just feels like anti-pakistan propaganda
09:43 < coldie> but it is fun to read the reactions of the press
09:44 < coldie> if unreliable
09:44 < huebi> can you call an author of an indipendend news paper?
09:45 < huebi> perhaps he will tell you some things between the lines..
09:45 < coldie> don't know any :/ I've been trusting info from aussie and UK news sites
09:46 < coldie> I'll ask the high commission here when I call to register today
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09:48 < huebi> hi newbie_ 
09:48 < newbie_> hi
09:49 < newbie_> fist try of mozilla
09:50 < huebi> coldie: The big news channel like CNN or BBC need tv-quotes (?) So they tell their own things to get the most people watching them
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10:24 < rxr> re
10:26 < huebi> moin rene
10:27 < rxr> hi huebi 
10:28 < huebi> rxr: Ich bin gerade dabei, deine kernel packete in 1.5 zu uebernehmen.
10:37 < rxr> nice huebi 
10:37 < rxr> I can not help because I just need to do some preparations for physic and get of to the fh in a hour ...
10:47 < huebi> rxr: Heute? Hier in Hessen ist Feiertag.
10:49 < rxr> nee hier nicht 
10:49 < rxr> Berlin ...
10:51 < huebi> ah, ok. Ich muss heute auch noch viel arbeiten. Kernelpackete fuer ROCk 8 Server dokumentieren, Oracleinstallationsanleitung fuer rocklinux, cups als default print service in rock 1.5
10:52 < huebi> mt-st fuer rock
10:52 < huebi> cpio ueberarbeiten
10:53 < huebi> und mich schnell mal wieder in den Verita Volume Manager fuer SUN einarbeiten.
11:13 < rxr> mt-st ist in dRock - cups auch ...
11:14 < rxr> much fun cut'n pasting ...
11:16 < rxr> cu later. /me @ fh ...
11:31 < th> re
12:04 < th> huebi: cups als default? nix mehr mit lpr?
12:04 < th> huebi: oder doch?
12:04 < th> huebi: is das nur ein filter?
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12:51 < praenti> moin
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13:16 < praenti> huebi: da?
13:21 < blindcoder> moin
13:34 < praenti> moin blindcoder 
13:36 < blindcoder> sers
13:36 * blindcoder sleepy >_<
13:42 < bluefire> Moin auch
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13:44 < netcrow> moin
13:58 < esden> hi all
13:58 < esden> or : einen wuenderschoenen guten morgen 
13:58 < esden> ;-)
14:01 < praenti> moin esden. bin glei wieda da
14:01 < esden> kk
14:02 < esden> we have someone from india now ?
14:02 < netcrow> yes, me ;-)
14:02 < esden> coldie: are you born in india ... or only living there ?
14:02 < esden> netcrow: lool
14:03 < esden> netcrow: indernet kraehe
14:03 < netcrow> lol
14:03 * -> esden searching cigarettes ... 
14:04 < praenti> so weida da
14:04 < esden> I hate sun !!! argh
14:04 < esden> re praenti 
14:06 < blindcoder> hi esden
14:07 < esden> hi crash ... (ausgeschlafen ?)
14:08 < blindcoder> ja
14:08 < blindcoder> so halbwegs
14:09 < blindcoder> momentan fix ich meine download locations fuer 1.5.15
14:13 < esden> hi rxr 
14:13 < esden> ohh
14:13 < esden> that was scrollback ... 
14:13 < esden> hmpf
14:13 < esden> blindcoder: do it ... 
14:14 < blindcoder> about 25 defect URLs >_<
14:16 * -> esden needs clifford !
14:17 < esden> I have not seen him here for a long time ... >_<
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14:19 < esden> hi hackbard 
14:19 < hackbard> moin
14:20 < hackbard> hoi esden
14:20 < esden> cool vim is on linuxtag !!! woot
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14:33 < darKy> moin
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14:39 < rxr> re
14:39 < praenti> re
14:43 < esden> re rxr 
14:43 < rxr> hi esden  ;-)!
14:44 < rxr> we would like to get a Gnome2 announcement onto www.gnome.org (gentoo and freebsd hat too) - maybe your colegue (?) christine (or so?) who showed up in this channels some times could submit it to news.gnome.org ?
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14:46 < esden> I will talk to chrisme when I see him at my uni ... but it will be first next week ... I am not going @ uni this week anymore ;-)
14:47 < blindcoder> esden: don't be so lazy :D
14:47 < rxr> esden: do you have his email address ?
14:47 < esden> blindcoder: du bist ganz staad !
14:47 < esden> rxr: no sorry :-( (but I will get his e-mail address then ..)
14:53 < rxr> ah nice
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15:02 < esden> rxr: is gnome2 fully functional now
15:02 < esden> ?
15:03 < rxr> hm mostly - and Gnome2 is currently slightly instablet - and lacks many features ...
15:08 < esden> rxr: where is the announcment ? an gnome.org ?
15:09 < rxr> esden: what?
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15:09 < rxr> urghs 2.4.19-pre8.gz 5.3MB !!!
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15:10 < esden> rxr: small patch ;-)
15:11 < esden> rxr: I mean you said that we would like to have an announcment an www.gnome.org ... and that gentoo and freebsd had an announcment already ... where are their announcments ?
15:12 < rxr> ah now your sentence makes sense ;-)
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15:13 < rxr> http://news.gnome.org/
15:13 < esden> ok ...
15:13 < rxr> GNOME 2.0 Desktop Beta 5: Now Available on FreeBSD
15:13 < rxr> Gnome2 -beta5 and beyond available on Gentoo
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15:13 < esden> ahh here !
15:14 < term_emu> re
15:14 < huebi> re
15:14 < esden> re term_emu 
15:14 < esden> re huebi (?)
15:15 < huebi> jo esden wider wach ;-)
15:15 < huebi> +e
15:15 * -> esden pennt gleich ein ... :-(
15:16 < huebi> 28 Grad hier im Zimmer. Wird Zeit fuer die JavaStation und ein Netzwerkkabel in den Keller.
15:16 < esden> lol
15:17 * -> esden braucht klimanlage im zimmer
15:17 < huebi> die JaveStation braucht maximal 30 Watt
15:17 < huebi> Klimaanlage hatte ich mal. Ist auch unangenehm laut.
15:17 < rxr> huebi: + TFT display ? Or an hot CRT ?
15:19 < huebi> Me personally prefers 21", 1600x1200, 85Hz, 32Bit. 
15:19 < huebi> but TFT does not use 100 -150 Watt
15:20 < huebi> And at least 2, better 3 screens ;-)
15:27 < huebi> The default kernel configuration must bew changed. MTRR and High Memory Support must be enabled
15:27 < huebi> or better should be
15:28 < rxr> MTRR yes (is in dRock too ..) but High Memory Support ???
15:28 < rxr> remeber  that with each feature the kernel gets bigger - and you might end up with problems on the boot-disks (cd) ...
15:29 < huebi> rxr: Yes, it's getting bigger. The boot/install stuff also should be revised.
15:29 < rxr> for 1.6 ? Much fun ...
15:32 < huebi> It could be enought if the boot disks can find the cdrom _or_ the network. After mounting the cdrom / getting network up and runnig, the rootfs could be mounted from cdron/nfs
15:33 < huebi> We still need the 2.88MB floppy image on cdrom to boot old boxes from cdrom, too
15:33 < rxr> but then you need many SCSI drivers in the kernel for moutning the CD ...
15:35 < huebi> Yes, all of them
15:35 < rxr> ...
15:35 < huebi> we can use one floppy image for net and one for cdrom
15:36 < rxr> and I guess such an big image doens't fit onto a 1.44 MB floppy you need for disk booting ...
15:36 < huebi> 63 floppy images are said to be possible on a bootable cdrom
15:37 < esden> lpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/dietsys# du -sh /rock-linux/build/default-1.7.0-DEV-intel-dietlibc-expert/pkgs/
15:37 < esden> 40M     /rock-linux/build/default-1.7.0-DEV-intel-dietlibc-expert/pkgs
15:37 < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/dietsys#
15:37 < rxr> so 2.4.19-pre9 running on my box
15:37 < huebi> on 1.44 MB it could be a simple kernel without the most stuff needed and then a modules floppy disk in addition
15:37 < esden> hmm ... unpacked 217MB
15:38 < esden> that will NOT fit on a install disk ;-)
15:38 < rxr> how big are they when dyn-linked with glibc ?
15:38 < esden> no idea ...
15:39 < huebi> 217MB is nothing - and fefe's weight is not more than 55kg
15:39 < esden> do you have compiled drock 1.7 ?
15:39 < esden> huebi: rofl ... 
15:40 < esden> rxr: tell me how big is your bash packet ... from "normal" 1.7 rock
15:40 < huebi> Kernel support for ELF binaries (CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF) [M/n/y/?]  <- should that better be Y?
15:40 < rxr> huebi: this included gcc2 gcc3 binutils ... no wonder it is big ...
15:40 < esden> huebi: it should be Y ...
15:40 < th> huebi: i really think so
15:41 < rxr> esden: rene@jackson:/rock-linux/rock-1.7/build/default-backup/pkgs > l bash.tar.bz2
15:41 < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root      1352175 May 28 11:39 bash.tar.bz2
15:41 < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/dietsys# ls /rock-linux/build/default-1.7.0-DEV-intel-dietlibc-expert/pkgs/
15:41 < esden> 00-dirtree.tar.bz2  bzip2.tar.bz2      e2fsprogs.tar.bz2  gawk.tar.bz2  gzip.tar.bz2       make.tar.bz2       readline.tar.bz2  sysvinit.tar.bz2  textutils.tar.bz2
15:41 < esden> bash.tar.bz2        curl.tar.bz2       fileutils.tar.bz2  gcc2.tar.bz2  linux-src.tar.bz2  net-tools.tar.bz2  sed.tar.bz2       tar.tar.bz2       util-linux.tar.bz2
15:41 < esden> binutils.tar.bz2    dietlibc.tar.bz2   findutils.tar.bz2  gcc3.tar.bz2  linux.tar.bz2      patch.tar.bz2      sh-utils.tar.bz2  termcap.tar.bz2   wget.tar.bz2
15:41 < esden> bison.tar.bz2       diffutils.tar.bz2  flex.tar.bz2       grep.tar.bz2  m4.tar.bz2         pdksh.tar.bz2      sysfiles.tar.bz2  texinfo.tar.bz2
15:41 < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/dietsys#
15:42 < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/dietsys# ls -l /rock-linux/build/default-1.7.0-DEV-intel-dietlibc-expert/pkgs/bash.tar.bz2
15:42 < esden> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root      1337191 May 29 15:11 /rock-linux/build/default-1.7.0-DEV-intel-dietlibc-expert/pkgs/bash.tar.bz2
15:42 < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/dietsys#
15:43 < rxr> hm - but the bash includes much functionality - dietlibc is only a win when you need many small progs ...
15:51 < esden> do I see it right that the staticly linked dietlibc based bash is 14984 bytes smaller thet the dunamicly linked glibc based version ?
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15:56 < rxr> esden: what do you compare? the .bz files ?
15:59 < esden> yes ... so the binarys should be much bigger ...
16:00 < esden> rxr: give me the size of the tar 
16:00 < rxr> esden: no
16:00 < esden> the unpacked tar
16:00 < esden> ??
16:00 < rxr> esden we need to compare the binary ...
16:00 < esden> ok
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16:01 < rxr> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root       520628 May 29 16:27 bash
16:01 < rxr> (but maybe your bash and mine differ in feature details (like NF
16:01 < huebi> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root       522564 Mar 17 01:35 /bin/bash
16:01 < rxr> LS and so )
16:01 < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/dietsys/test# ls -l ../bin/bash
16:01 < esden> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root       473656 May 29 15:10 ../bin/bash
16:01 < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/dietsys/test#
16:01 < rxr> huebi: yours is optimized I guess ...
16:02 < huebi> Yes, for k7 or so
16:02 < rxr> esden: so your bash is smaller and doesn't need the 1.5 MB glibc ...
16:02 < esden> rxr: yepp
16:03 < rxr> but adding many more progs glibc might become a win when the progs are compiled with the same feature set ...
16:04 < esden> rxr: hmm ... I suppose you are right
16:05 < rxr> oh the open nap server are still online - nice
16:12 < esden> does someone want a dietlibc test system ? ;-)
16:12 < huebi> jo
16:12 < esden> I will put the binare tar.gz online
16:12 < huebi> ok
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16:12 < huebi> hi d3mian 
16:13 < d3mian> hi huebi
16:13 < d3mian> hi all
16:13 < huebi> good morning d3mian ;-)
16:14 < d3mian> sure, afternoon for you :)
16:15 < praenti> huebi: hi
16:15 < huebi> hu praenti 
16:16 < praenti> huebi: is there a webcvs from cvs.rocklinux.de?
16:16 < huebi> SMP: is the webscv done?
16:16 < esden> after you got the dietsys, unpack it, mount devfs and prock, then you can changeroot with: cd dietsys; chroot . /bin/sh -login
16:17 < huebi> praenti: SMP wanted to do that but I don't know if he has finished that.
16:18 < huebi> th: Do you know anything about cvsweb?
16:18 < praenti> huebi: ok. it not so important. i normally use it when i browse through the tree. but i think i will also live if the webcvs needs a few days
16:18 < th> huebi: not more than you
16:18 < th> huebi: you told me that you think smp is on it
16:18 < huebi> th: ok
16:19 < th> huebi: but i know: we really need it
16:19 < huebi> th, praenti: SMP is not online in the moment.
16:19 < th> huebi: got my mail?
16:20 < th> huebi: about krups transfer
16:20 < huebi> th: Smp should get it at Linuxtag, am I right?
16:20 < th> no
16:21 < th> i sent you a mail yesterday
16:21 < huebi> I had no look at mail right now.
16:21 < th> a freind of mine is at LT. he is from md and rcpt of the 2nd machine
16:22 < th> s,freind,friend,
16:22 < esden> http://home.esden.net/rock/dietsys.tar.bz2
16:22 < th> i sent you some contact information and requestet you cellular nom
16:22 < th> s,stet,sted,
16:22 < huebi> I got it
16:22 < th> s,you,your,
16:23 * -> esden away eating (please test dietsys)
16:23 < huebi> 0178-2020253
16:23 < th> ok
16:43 < esden> ohh ... my connection is pretty filled ... ;-)
16:44 < esden> who is now getting the dietsys ?
16:44 < huebi> esden: Ich
16:44 < esden> gut @ huebi 
16:44 < huebi> 20 min left
16:44 < esden> who else ? ;-)
16:44 < esden> 16kb up ... I know it is not much
16:44 < huebi> I get 16.4 KB/sec should only be me
16:45 < esden> aha ... ok
16:45 * -> esden goes to club now
16:45 < esden> cu l8ter
16:45 < rxr> cu esden 
16:45 < huebi> e have fun
16:45 < huebi> esden: have fun
16:45 < huebi> ;-)
16:46 < esden> hehe
16:46 * -> esden will try
16:49 < rxr> Do the vendors add patches? Half of that is vendor extensions, that is
16:49 < rxr> their business. Half of that is their stupidity. They blindly copy the
16:49 < rxr> patches other vendors apply "it is a patch - must be an improvement";
16:49 < rxr> sometimes I have to reject the same buggy patch more than a dozen times.
16:50 < rxr> When I ask for the reason of a patch, they don't know themselves.)
16:50 < rxr> --
16:50 < rxr> hehe 
16:50 < huebi> rxr: author?
16:50 < huebi> lol
16:53 < rxr> Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl
16:53 < rxr> linux-kernel
16:53 < rxr> I think util-linux maintainer ...
16:58 < th> later folks... my favorite MOTOS is waiting...
16:59 < d3mian> culater
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17:13 * rxr hopes to not get flamed to death for the two replies to linux-kernel that just got out here ...
17:14 < huebi> rxr: ?
17:14 < esden> re hi all
17:16 < esden> hmm ... /me reading rxr lkml posts ;-)
17:16 < esden> then I will flame him ... ;-)
17:18 < rxr> only some comments on the usual strange post of Martin Dalecki
17:19 < rxr> although I like his 2.5 IDE cleanups ...
17:19 < rxr> s/post/posts/
17:21 < esden> rxr: ok read ... argh ... who is this guy that says that devfs was a misconcept ... /me auf 180
17:22 < rxr> esden: you see why I HAD to reply ;-)
17:23 < esden> rxr: yups ... sure ... I hate ignorant people !
17:24 < rxr> ... tells you exactly nothing, because redhat people would even patch
17:24 < rxr> /bin/true if it could be made to do anything extra.
17:24 < rxr> LOL hehehe
17:24 < esden> yes lol  ;-)
17:24 < rxr> Linus has explicitly stated he wants to do this and make all disks
17:24 < rxr> appear the same and the same place. It actually makes lots of sense. 
17:24 < rxr> KOOL
17:25 < rxr> now I read this the second time and this would ROCK
17:25 < esden> rxr: yups
17:25 < esden> this will be a grate improovement
17:27 < esden> huebi: are you ready downloading ?
17:30 < praenti> huebi: wer hat da automake 1.6 bei 1.5.15 eingebaut?
17:33 < huebi> esden: jo fertig
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17:38 < praenti> huebi: kannst du da wieder ein automake 1.5 einbauen. automake 1.6 macht mit einigen paketen probleme unter anderem mit kde
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17:42 < SMP> hmmm
17:42 < huebi> SMP: world war ebend kurz wech. Was war?
17:42 < SMP> k.A.
17:43 < huebi> Tumbe Teletuppies?
17:43 < SMP> ich hatte kein Problem zum IRCNet
17:43 < huebi> Ich konne world nicht anpingen.
17:44 < huebi> +t
17:45 < SMP> tjum
17:45 < SMP> egal
17:45 < huebi> egal, solange die Telekom noch mit mischt, ist die Fehlerbehebung sowieso zwecklos.
17:51 < esden> I hate perl ... I do not want perl ... >_<
17:52 < esden>   Perl 5.005_03 or later is required: autom4te is written in Perl and is
17:52 < esden>   needed by autoconf.  autoheader, autoreconf, ifnames, and autoscan are
17:52 < esden>   rewritten in Perl.
17:53 < esden> toll echt toll >_<
17:54 < SMP> ?!
17:54 < hackbard> rxr: could you dcc me ur .config? my gcc3.1 compiled kernel fails with: Fast Data MMU Miss
17:54 < rxr> hackbard: ok
17:54 < rxr> mom
17:54 < rxr> hi btw ,-)
17:54 < hackbard> morning :)
17:55 < hackbard> actually i dont think its the .config ... but you never know
17:55 < esden> SMP: the idiots at automake use perl since the last version ... and getting perl running under dietlibc is not trivial
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17:55 < hackbard> wb huebi!
17:56 < huebi_> weiss jemand wie ich eine screen seccieon wieder zurueck bekomme, wenn ich den socket geloescht habe?
17:56 < SMP> hehe
17:57 < huebi_> SMP: Hast du eine Idee?
17:57 < SMP> geht nicht
17:58 < huebi_> hmm
17:58 < huebi_> gnumpf!
17:58 < huebi_> brb
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18:00 < huebi> rm -rf /tmp um meinen cvs Muell los zu werden war wohl ein bischen daneben.
18:01 < SMP> d'oh
18:11 < praenti> huebi: [17:38] < praenti> huebi: kannst du da wieder ein automake 1.5 einbauen. automake 1.6 macht mit 
18:11 < praenti>                    einigen paketen probleme unter anderem mit kde
18:12 < huebi> jo, mache ich
18:12 < praenti> danke
18:12 < praenti> muss wech. cya
18:13 < huebi> praenti: cu
18:52 < fake> moin
18:52 < huebi> hi fake 
18:52 < fake> hm...
18:52 < fake> why the hell does my indigo2's /bin/bash want libncurses?
18:53 < fake> i haven't even compiled it yet (stage1->stage2 chroot)
18:55 < fake> Build-Pkg-ing it now...
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19:02 < huebi> SMP: Wie weit bist du denn mit cvsweb?
19:03 < fake> frontpageweb
19:03 < fake> *g*
19:03 < huebi> hehe
19:19 < fake> yippie.
19:19 < fake> buidling ncurses in stage 1 by BuildPkg manually worked...
19:20 < fake> and now the chroot works.
19:20 < fake> *phew*
19:35 < esden> fake: do you want to test a dietilbc system ? I have a tarball here : http://home.esden.net/rock/dietsys.tar.bz2
19:35 < esden> *protz* *angeb*
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19:49 < tomik> hello 
19:50 -!- Mike1 [~mike@nat02.ct.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux
19:50 < Mike1> Hi all
19:50 < Mike1> rxr: are you awake?
19:51 < rxr> sure
19:51 < rxr> hi Mike1 
19:51 < Mike1> how are you rxr
19:51 < rxr> oh the usual well-ness ;-)
19:51 < Mike1> rxr: was there any bug with /proc on drock 1.4.0?
19:51 < rxr> you too?
19:51 < Mike1> ja mir es gut
19:52 < tomik> i got strange problem ;( at kernel boot system halt after "hda: ... sectors (...) ... cache etc. 
19:52 < rxr> Mike1: I do not think so ...
19:52 < Mike1> rxr: for some reason /proc/sys does not exist after a fresh instalation
19:52 < Mike1> any ideas?
19:52 < tomik> any ideas?
19:52 < Mike1> lol
19:53 < rxr> Mike1: this error messages are often missleading - because the kernel hangs in the next check no in the driver that just displayed the textual informations ...
19:53 < Mike1> rxr: ?
19:53 < Mike1> rxr: tomik asked that not me
19:53 < rxr> Mike1: We might no include sysctl support in the shipped kernel ... because of space reasons on the install-disks ...
19:53 < Mike1> rxr: what about my /proc/sys/* problem?
19:53 < tomik> same disk with same system boot on another computer without problems
19:54 < rxr> so hardware related
19:54 < tomik> i think the problem is somewhere in kernel IDE drivers...? 
19:54 < tomik> or setup...
19:54 < Mike1> rxr ?
19:54 < rxr> might be one strange net-controller driver in Linux which we already disabled in dRock-1.6.0-prex ...
19:55 < rxr> Mike1: ? Hey I can not type faster ...
19:55 < rxr> Mike1: so you mix different provs here ...
19:55 < Mike1> rxr: yeah you can :P
19:55 < Mike1> rxr: do you know what net controller is it?
19:55 < rxr> Mike1: believe me - I already type quite fast ...
19:55 < Mike1> rxr: ok
19:56 < rxr> # hangs during detection on some laptops
19:56 < rxr> # CONFIG_DE4X5 is not set
19:56 < rxr> ^- this driver ...
19:56 < rxr> it is disabled in the latest releases ...
19:56 < rxr> so in a sorted order ...
19:56 < Mike1> ok i am going to have a look
19:56 < rxr> 1. /proc/sys/* - might be missing due to lack of space on the boot disk and so the support is not included ...
19:57 < Mike1> what do you mean?
19:57 < rxr> 2. boot hangs -> kernel <-> hardware issue. This is also not dRock specific try to build a custom kernel with exactly the features your box has ...
19:57 < rxr> Mike1: this was only a sorted list of the different probs  you tlaked about ...
19:58 < Mike1> rxr: ok well thanks anyway
19:58 < Mike1> see you later
19:58 < rxr> I wanted to point them out to make shure the mix aboce doesn't confuse oyu ...
19:58 < tomik> my boot hangs too... but its not problem with net device ;(
19:58 < rxr> cu Mike1 
19:58 < rxr> tomik: what does you boot do ?
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19:59 < tomik> rxr: it hangs after the "hda: ... sectors ... cache etc" line 
19:59 < tomik> no error message...nothing
19:59 < rxr> a this s what Mike reported ...
19:59 < rxr> does the boot-cd (install-cd) of dRock boots ok ?
19:59 < tomik> will try
19:59 < tomik> mom
20:00 < rxr> should fail in the same way - I guess
20:01 < tomik> Kernel panic: attempted to kill the idle task
20:01 < tomik> idle task - not syncing
20:01 < rxr> hae ?? Are you sure you have no hardware problem ?
20:01 < rxr> do you have a cd-burner ?
20:02 < rxr> err cd-writer 
20:02 < tomik> the same disk on another computer boot without any problem
20:02 < tomik> with the same system
20:02 < rxr> sure it is a hardware <-> kernel issue
20:02 < tomik> in this case hardware
20:03 < tomik> but which piece of this compaq shit... :(
20:03 < rxr> tomik: you have a cdwriter and a cd-rw or so ?
20:03 < tomik> no, cd only
20:03 < rxr> oh ok
20:04 < rxr> could you then run the memtest on the CD some ours ?
20:04 < rxr> +h
20:04 < fake> http://unitedlinux.com/
20:04 < fake> >_<
20:05 < tomik> memtest is on rock cd?
20:05 < rxr> jups
20:05 < rxr> simply type memtest (or was it memtest86 ?) on the cd's lilo prompt ...
20:05 < tomik> ok, but first i must force this comp to boot rock cd :)
20:05 < rxr> huh ?
20:05 < tomik> ah, ok
20:06 < huebi> memtest is a boot image ;-)
20:06 < rxr> tomik: and from which system was: 20:01 < tomik> Kernel panic: attempted to kill the idle task
20:07 < tomik> rock 1.5.13 
20:08 < rxr> erh hae? Now I'm puzzled ...
20:08 < fake> hm. firewire is now firewire!
20:08 < huebi> fake: jo ;-)
20:08 < fake> tomik> on the boot prompt simply enter memtest, not rock
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20:09 < uninvited> hiiiii
20:09 < tomik> ok, but theres only ramdisk
20:09 < huebi> tomik: If you see: Lil0 22.1 hit <shift> then enter memtest
20:09 < huebi> hu uninvited 
20:11 < tomik> <tab> shows images, right?
20:11 < rxr> jo
20:11 < huebi> tomik: jo
20:11 < tomik> ok, i see ramdisk only
20:11 < huebi> hmm
20:12 < huebi> there should be memtest, too
20:12 < rxr> it was disabled in some rock versions ...
20:12 < fake> what if you enter memtest anyways?
20:12 < tomik> but
20:12 < huebi> Ok, I put it on the TODO list now
20:12 < tomik> i removed ram from one slot
20:12 < tomik> and system boot
20:12 < tomik> bad ram...
20:12 < rxr> tomik: as usual ...
20:13 < tomik> its a way without memtest :)
20:13 * huebi had bad RAM this year for 3 times in a SUN
20:13 < tomik> thanks for kickin'
20:14 < fake> who kicked you? ;)
20:14 < tomik> :)
20:14 * fake tabacho holen
20:18 < tomik> thanks for help :)
20:21 * -> esden goes klenze
20:21 < esden> cu all
20:21 * -> esden be back
20:21 < huebi> cu esden 
20:22 < uninvited> esden> What will ya do at klenze ?
20:22 < huebi> wtf is klenze ? ;-)
20:23 < uninvited> definition klenze: R U L E S !
20:23 < huebi> uninvited: hae?
20:23 < uninvited> hehe
20:23 < uninvited> ;-)
20:23 < uninvited> klenze ist ein park. ;-)
20:24 < huebi> uninvited: so richtig mit Baeumen?
20:25 < uninvited> Hmmm, die Bäume interessieren mich nur sekundär. Hauptsächlich besteht mein Interesse an K20ern, conchicas en masse, usw... aber Bäume gibts auch. Ein paar. Die sind sogar noch gruen.
20:25 * uninvited geht richtig aus sich raus mit Definitionen
20:26 < huebi> hmm, nett ;-)
20:27 < uninvited> *LOL*
20:27 < uninvited> esden> Was machst du den im Klenze?
20:29 < uninvited> welche maximale Reichweite haben WLANs ?
20:30 < huebi> uninvited: depends ;-) Im Haus ca 30m
20:32 < uninvited> huebi> und nach ausserhalb ? Mit Sendeanlage aussen angebracht ? Kann man die Reichweite der Station erhöhen ?
20:33 < huebi> Ich achaetze mal 50m Wenn du dir eine Richtantenne baust, garantiert wesendlich mehr.
20:33 < uninvited> Hmmmm...
20:33 * uninvited thinks...
20:34 < huebi> Antennenbau = viel lernen und basteln
20:34 < huebi> lambda/4 ...
20:35 < uninvited> huebi> mist, hab von Antennen und Funk null Ahnung. Meine Eltern wohnen nicht weit weg vom Klenze-Park...
20:35 < huebi> Fuer lange Strecken Laser
20:35 < uninvited> ...und die kommende Woche bekomm ich ein geiles Notebook von der Firma gestellt, für dich ich derzeit arbeite.
20:36 < uninvited> Mit WLAN Karte...
20:36 < uninvited> ;-)
20:36 < huebi> uninvited: und du willst dann im Klenze arbeiten?
20:36 < uninvited> Hehehehe...
20:36 < uninvited> Bingo ;-)
20:36 < fake> re.
20:36 < huebi> Mit Windoofs?
20:37 < huebi> re fake 
20:37 < uninvited> Standard ist 2000 druff. Das liefern die so aus. Was ich gesehen habe mit WLAN-Karte von LUCENT.
20:37 < huebi> Also jeder im Klenze darf sich dann auf deiner Festplatte tummeln?
20:38 < uninvited> Und ich hab noch NIX mit WLAN gemacht.
20:38 < uninvited> Von mir aus ;-)
20:38 < fake> <-- auch nich
20:38 < uninvited> Nee ich dachte daran so ne Station bei meinen Eltern aufzustellen und dann praktisch jemaden DSL oder so über die Station zur Verfügung zu stellen...
20:38 < uninvited> jeden, meine ich.
20:39 < huebi> Ich glaube, da braucht deine Basisstation _und_ deine WLAN Karte ein bischen mehr Boost.
20:40 < uninvited> Aha.
20:40 < uninvited> Das wird dann sicher zu teuer
20:40 < huebi> jo
20:40 < huebi> Macht aber Spass.
20:41 < uninvited> Schon was in der Richtung zu Hause ?
20:41 < fake> xs4ll@klenze... cool!
20:42 < fake> uni> musst du mal der stadt vorschlagen
20:42 < uninvited> fake> du meinst aber nicht die Stadt in der ich derzeit lebe, oder ?
20:43 < huebi> Ein Bekannter hat mal Probleme mit 'nem Hobbyfunker in der Nachbarschaft gehabt. Er konnte nicht mehr fernsehen. Nachdem der Nachbar die Megafunke nicht abgeschaltet hat, hat er sich aus de Fa. einen 1KW Messsender mitgebracht und aus des Nachbarns Eingangsstufe mal den Rauch abgelassen ;-)
20:43 < uninvited> hehehe gut getriggert ;-)
20:44 < fake> huebi: hehe. jaa so stories kenn ich auch... wie der der mne alte roentgenanlage umgebaut hat.... *g*
20:44 < fake> uninvited: IN halt
20:44 < fake> 40kW *muahah*
20:44 < huebi> Gab nie wieder Aerger mit dem Nachbarn ;-)
20:44 < huebi> fake: Erzaehl.. hort sich gut an...
20:45 < uninvited> fake> in IN gibts im Klenzepark höchstens mal Freibier (da bin ich auch nicht abgeneigt) - aber moderne Technik ? Nee, zu riskant,... ;-)
20:45 < fake> huebi: hab ich mal gehört. jmd hat aus ner alten arztpracis ne roentgenanlage gecheckt und is damit auf CB-Funker-Jagd gegangen ;)
20:46 < fake> uni> ELEKTROSMOOOOG!
20:46 < uninvited> fake> viel gefährlicher:
20:46 < uninvited> fake> INNOVATIONEN
20:46 < uninvited> Das wäre ein Bruch mit der Tradition *schwaffel*
20:47 < uninvited> fake> und 1960 haben wir sowas auch nicht gehabt, oder ?
20:47 < uninvited> Ja ich kann die versammelte Stadt-Elite reden hören.
20:48 < huebi> Der typ ist schon ein bischen abgefahren. Er hat irgendwann mal seine Armbandurh mit einem Iridiumnormal abgeglichen (Die ging dann 10x genauer als eine Atomuhr) und meinte dann: Ich glaube jetzt kann ich mit der Uhr leben...
20:48 < uninvited> *ROTFLROTFL*
20:49 * fake freut sich dass stage2 binutils durch sind *freu*
20:49 < fake> jetzt kommt dann wieder glibc........ 8 stunden.... *jammer*
20:50 < huebi> fake: *aufdieschulterklopf* Kopf hoch...
20:50 < uninvited> gibts bei euch im Büro keine unbeaufsichtgten Rechner ? Oder sind die alle mit dnetc verseucht @ fake ? *G*
20:51 < huebi> dnetc in W2k Servicepack 2 einpatchen....
20:51 < uninvited> hehehehe.
20:51 < uninvited> stop !
20:51 < uninvited> und in rock ?
20:52 < fake> uninvited: keine mips maschinene...
20:52 < uninvited> Hmmmm, i386er, oder ?
20:52 < huebi> uninvited: Extra buld target?
20:52 < huebi> +i
20:53 * uninvited muss los - schlafenszeit fuer den Junior.
20:53 < huebi> cu uninvited 
20:53 < uninvited> extra build target ?
20:54 < uninvited> Hmmm.
20:54 < fake> cu uninvited !
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21:06 * fake is away cooking
21:06 < huebi> fake: viel Spass
21:10 < fake> na danke.
21:10 < fake> :P
21:42 * fake is from Villa Bachia
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21:45 < huebi> SMP: Ping...
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21:47 < huebi> hmm. nicht da .
21:48 < SMP> .
21:48 < huebi> SMP: Ah. kool
21:48 < huebi> ;-)
21:48 < huebi> SMP: Wie weit bist du mit cvsweb?
21:49 < SMP> muesste ich mal anfangen
21:49 < SMP> seufz
21:49 < rxr> SMP: ah hi!
21:49 < huebi> SMP: Waere klasse. Dann koennte ich ./scripts/Update anpassen.
21:50 < huebi> cvsweb ist sehr komfortable...
21:50 < rxr> SMP: I accidently lost the open-bsd songs ... - hadn't you posted the URL here? I have not found them on the net ...
21:50 < SMP> http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html
21:51 < rxr> oh thanks ;-)
21:53 < fake> hi SMP
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21:55 < tsa> moin
21:56 < huebi> hi tsa 
21:56 < huebi> ;-)
21:57 < tsa> hi huebi
21:57 < tsa> <- Kater. Gestern zu viel gesoffen, heute morgen um halb sechs nach hause gekommen..
21:57 < huebi> hehe
21:58 < fake> tsa> und? erwartest du etwa MITLEID??
21:58 < fake> *fg*
21:58 < huebi> tsa: Trink viiel Wasser. so mindestens 2 Liter. Dann geht das meistens recht schnell wieder weg.
21:58 < tsa> hehe...
21:58 < fake> oder Rowein und ein rohes Ei reinschlagen und dann wegexen...
21:58 < fake> Rotwein
21:59 < huebi> tsa: Dehydrierung nennt sich das... Uebles Problem fuer Europaeer in Wuesten.
21:59 < tsa> jo.
22:00 < tsa> fake: rotwein und rohes Ei? *grusel*
22:00 < huebi> tsa: rotwein und rohes Ei <- Da wird Dir einfach schlecht. Kater interessiert dann nicht mehr.
22:01 < tsa> vermutlich..
22:01 < tsa> ;-)
22:01 < huebi> Alkohol dehydriert.
22:02 < huebi> ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/songs/song31.mp3 <- Der gefaellt mir gut.
22:08 < tsa> hm....was nutzt udp/4665?
22:08 < tsa> ich krieg hier unmengen von dem traffic ab...
22:08 < fake> tsa> edonkey?
22:09 < tsa> hm...mag sein
22:09 < fake> glaub ich
22:09 < tsa> was wollen die von mir?
22:09 < fake> pr0n
22:09 < tsa> hehe
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22:10 < d3mian> re
22:10 < fake> cat /etc/services | grep 4665
22:10 < fake> re demian
22:11 < fake> hm.
22:11 < fake>  /etc/udp-services ;)
22:12 < d3mian> ohh, cu
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22:23 < rxr> huebi: mir gefaellt 30 besser 31 hoehrt sich so nach rammstein an ...
22:23 < rxr> das mag ich nicht ...
22:26 < esden> re hi all
22:28 < tsa> hhu esden
22:29 < rxr> hi esden 
22:30 < esden> hi rxr, tsa 
22:35 < esden> fake: hast du jetzt dietsys getestet ?
22:43 < esden> rxr: you wanted to crosscompile dietlibc right ?
22:44 < fake> esden> no net
22:44 < esden> if so look in the faq included in the dietlibc source tarball
22:44 < esden> fake: kk
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22:52 < rxr> esden: jups some days ago ...
22:52 < rxr> esden: mostly one sed expression needs to be fixed ...
22:53 < rxr> esden: ah I already read the faq and also finished a cross compile
22:53 < rxr> simply the target name (sparc64-unknown-gnu-linux) is parsed wrong during a cross compile 
22:55 < fake> hm...
22:55 < fake> my problem was that dietlibc wanted to call "diet" in a cross compile.
22:57 < rxr> fake: ah - yes this is the next problem - I forgot ...
22:57 < rxr> I compilied it on a pseudo sparc32 where the 64 diet prog could be executed ...
22:58 < rxr> http://www.tfh-berlin.de/~solymosi/prg25/Auf1.html
22:58 < esden> rxr: is it a problem of rock or dietlibc ?
22:58 < rxr> kann mir mal einer sagen ob das scheisse ist oder scheisse ist ?!?
22:59 < rxr> esden: dietlibc 
22:59 < esden> rxr: could you send me the fix ?
22:59 < rxr> not today
23:00 < esden> ok ...
23:00 < rxr> I have not done it (only fixed it in the one build) and I really need to get some java trash to work until tomorrow ...
23:00 < rxr> take a look at the fuck I have to do ...
23:00 < rxr> (But we are currently signing a petition against this totally fucked up prof ...)
23:01 < esden> rxr: outsch so bad ?
23:01 < rxr> totally incompetent
23:01 < esden> what is he doing ? or requesting too much ?
23:01 * -> esden brb smoeken
23:01 < rxr> no too less - and totally crappy stuff
23:02 < rxr> read the exercises I have to do ...
23:02 < rxr> that boring and fucking GUI element putting together that I could slam my head against the monitor all the time ...
23:02 < rxr> Never did s.th. that boring ...
23:02 < rxr> http://www.tfh-berlin.de/~solymosi/prg25/
23:03 < rxr> and I have no choice :-(
23:05 < rxr> esden do you take a look ?
23:06 < fake> 3.5 stunden fuer gcc2 >_<
23:08 < esden> *click*
23:08 < rxr> I only wondered why it is that silent - you do not need to waste your time ...
23:09 < esden> rxr: stupides dahincoden
23:10 < rxr> esden: Wow - exact erfasst :-(.
23:10 < rxr> -c +k
23:10 < esden> dass sind doch aufgaben aus irgendeinem buch abgeschrieben ... gell ?
23:11 < rxr> ich habe mich letzes Jahr schon mit ner Lehrbeauftragten angelegt wegen dem Muell
23:11 < rxr> jups - leider habe die das Buch seleber geschrieben ...
23:11 < rxr> btw. noch nie ein schlechteres Buch gesehen ...
23:12 < tsa> hm...
23:12 < tsa> komihsce Aufgaben
23:13 < tsa> borland c++ oder jbuilder..
23:13 < rxr> ich glaube ich bringe dem tollen Prof nen ausdruck von euren "First Look" Kommentaren mit ;-)
23:13 < tsa> hehe...mach das.
23:13 < esden> tsa: dass sind aufgaben wo man sich denkt wozu dass ganze gut sein soll ... 
23:14 < tsa> immerhin macht man bei euch was mit C(++)
23:14 < rxr> eine Vorlesung hat der unter anderem wegenen meiner korrigierenden Einwuerfe schon vorzeitig abgebrochen ...
23:14 < rxr> tsa: nur 1/2 Semester von 2 Semenstern
23:15 < rxr> und da wuerde ich noch lieber nix machen anstatt meine Zeit mit diesem sinnlosem Muell zu vergeuden ...
23:15 < esden> wenn ich irgendwelche suchbeume, keller usw programmieren soll denke ich mir wenigstens dass ich dabei die algorythmen beibringe ... so dass ich die wiederverwenden kann ... aber sowas ... naja ...
23:15 < rxr> esden: das ist auch mein staerkster Kritikpunkt ...
23:16 < esden> du lernst bei dem was ihr macht die java api ... wenn ich dass richtig sehe ...
23:16 < esden> oder auch nicht ?
23:16 < rxr> naja ...
23:16 < rxr> das java api ist so verkorkst das will ich lieber gar nicht kenne lernen ...
23:16 < tsa> ack.
23:17 < rxr> und es ist nicht gerade das erhebende gefuehl ein paar gui klassen zusammen zu stecken ...
23:17 < rxr> und immer nur mit bloeden event handler rumzubasteln bis man seine beschreibung zusammen hat ...
23:17 < tsa> rxr: bei uns ist ein semester java vorgesehen. kein c. und wir arbeiten auch mit einem editor und keinem klick-tool..
23:18 < rxr> zumal ich die in java scheinbar bevorzugten anonymen event handler richtig ekelig finde ...
23:21 * -> esden writing mail to dlcml
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23:21 < d3mian> re
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23:26 < esden> rxr: in the gcc3 target the gcc bin is not build?
23:26 < esden> am I right here ?
23:26 < rxr> xou mean gcc3 package ?
23:27 < esden> yes
23:27 < esden> sorry
23:27 < rxr> normally it is build
23:27 < esden> hmm 
23:27 < esden> see:
23:27 < rxr> but I also noticed that the 1.7 build environemt sometimes doesn't catch build errors ...
23:27 < esden> gcc3: usr/bin/c++
23:27 < esden> gcc3: usr/bin/f77
23:27 < esden> gcc3: usr/bin/g++
23:27 < esden> gcc3: usr/bin/g77
23:27 < rxr> I do not yet know why this is happening ...
23:28 < rxr> I guess you have an error in the gcc3.log but the Pkg-Build has not noticed this ...
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23:29 < esden> 'fixincl version 1.1'
23:29 < esden> /bin/sh: line 2: syntax error near unexpected token `(null)'
23:29 < esden> /bin/sh: line 2: `cd (null)'
23:29 < esden> NOTE: server restarted
23:29 < esden> /bin/sh: line 2: syntax error near unexpected token `(null)'
23:29 < esden> /bin/sh: line 2: `cd (null)'
23:29 < esden> CLOSING SHELL SERVER - command failure:
23:29 < esden>         echo 'fixincl version 1.1'
23:29 < esden> make[2]: *** [install-bin] Error 154
23:29 < esden> make[2]: Leaving directory `/R.src/gcc-3.1/objdir/gcc/fixinc'
23:29 < esden> make[1]: *** [fixinc.sh] Error 2
23:29 < esden> make[1]: Leaving directory `/R.src/gcc-3.1/objdir/gcc'
23:29 < esden> make: *** [install-gcc] Error 2
23:29 < esden> * -> /usr/info/-3*
23:29 < esden> /R.work/scripts/Build-Pkg: *: No such file or directory
23:29 < esden> /R.work/scripts/Build-Pkg: cd: /R.work/src.gcc3.1022673208.8175.3147672378/inst_man/man1: No such file or directory
23:29 < esden> mv: cannot stat `*': No such file or directory
23:29 < esden> strip: /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-pc-linux-gnulibc1/3.1*/libgcc.a: No such file or directory
23:29 < esden> /R.work/scripts/Build-Pkg: cd: /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-pc-linux-gnulibc1/3.1: No such file or directory
23:29 < esden> uups .. that was much ...
23:29 < esden> sorry
23:29 < rxr> esden: much fun ...
23:30 < rxr> esden: much fun ...
23:30 < esden> fu** fu** fu** fu** fu** fu** argh!!!
23:30 < esden> I hate it !!!
23:30 * rxr too
23:33 < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/dietsys# grep "Error 2" /rock-linux/build/default-1.7.0-DEV-intel-dietlibc-expert/root/var/adm/logs/* | wc -l
23:33 < esden>      30
23:33 < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/dietsys#
23:34 < esden> that is gcc2 gcc3 and linux
23:34 < esden> why oh why oh why
23:41 < rxr> argh
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23:46 * -> esden testing 2.5.19
23:46 * -> esden brb hopefully
23:51 < esden> hmm ... the framebuffer is not running correctly ...
23:51 < rxr> esden: they restructure the framebuffer stuff ...
23:51 < esden> I will have to recompile it without framebuffer
23:51 < esden> rxr: yes I knom
23:51 < esden> -m +w
23:51 < rxr> ;-)
23:52 < esden> and alsa stuff is gone ... >_<
23:52 < rxr> gone ?
23:52 < esden> yes it seems so ... I see only the old stuff
23:52 < esden> not the alsa option in sound
23:53 < esden> strange
23:53 < esden> or is it gone somewhere else ... and I have not seen it ...
23:53 < esden> do they use the new kbuild finally ?
23:56 < rxr> no 
23:56 < rxr> I read that they started migrate or adapt some stuff
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