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--- Log opened Thu Jun 06 00:00:46 2002
--- Day changed Thu Jun 06 2002
00:03 < huebi> == 23:23:18 =[3]=> Building base package mozilla [1.0 1.5.16].
00:03 < huebi> Pkg-Config: patches mozilla.desc mozilla.conf done.
00:03 < huebi> Building. Writing output to /var/adm/logs/3-mozilla.out
00:03 < huebi> Creating md5sums and cksums of package mozilla ... done.
00:03 < huebi> Creating tars/intel-mozilla.tar.bz2 ... 27M
00:03 < huebi> /var/adm/logs/3-mozilla.out -> 3-mozilla.log
00:03 < huebi> == 00:03:38 06/06/02 =[3]=> Finished building package mozilla.
00:07 < tsa> hm....pretty fast machine..
00:08 < huebi> tsa: XP1800+ with make -j1
00:09 < huebi> tsa: I started to do something on rock since I have this fast machine (october 2001)
00:09 < tsa> ah..
00:10 < tsa> i should get myself a fire 15k.
00:10 < tsa> perhaps ripclaw has a spare.. ;)
00:10 < huebi> my old 2x Celerin 466 was too slow for fun on rock
00:12 < huebi> tsa: do you remember the make -j32 patch (~14kB)
00:12 < tsa> no...when was that?
00:13 < huebi> in october. One of my first patches
00:13 < tsa> ah..
00:14 < tsa> hm...first appearance on the mailing list:
00:14 < tsa> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 17:35:33 +0100
00:14 < tsa> From: "Huebner, Andreas" <Andreas.Huebner@db-ig.com>
00:14 < tsa> Subject: [rock-linux] qt3 - compile problems
00:15 < huebi> I'll see if I can get some scripts to work internal with more processes. like first a tar in foreground and then bzip2 in backgroud while the next tar starts
00:15 < huebi> tsa: later then there must be the patch
00:16 < huebi> multiple processes are also good for single cpu machines
00:17 < huebi> because I/O times make the cpu wait _and_ count on load.
00:17 < tsa> except you want to work on it during the build.. ;)
00:18 < huebi> tsa: grep for huebi@ruesselsheim.net
00:18 < tsa> Subject: [rock-linux] [Patch] apmd fails to compile (rejects patches)
00:18 < tsa> no, it's a short one.
00:18 < huebi> or huebi@stud.fbi.fh-darmstadt.de
00:19 < tsa> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:25:55 +0100 (CET)
00:19 < tsa> From: Andreas Huebner <huebi@stud.fbi.fh-darmstadt.de>
00:19 < tsa> Subject: [rock-linux] Compile times
00:19 < tsa> gcc stats for 
00:19 < tsa> Two AMD 1800+ XP (recogniced as MP's) by the BIOS and kernel 2.1.16
00:20 < tsa> Tyan Tiger S2640 Dual AMD Board, BIOS v. 1.03
00:20 < tsa> oh, u160
00:20 < tsa> nice.
00:22 < huebi> 29160, 64-Bit PCI ;-)
00:22 < tsa> *grr*
00:23 < tsa> *auchwill*
00:23 < tsa> u2w, 32bit.
00:23 < Be-El> uw, 32bit, kaputt ;-)
00:23 < tsa> hehe
00:23 < tsa> immer noch keinen neuen?
00:24 < Be-El> nope
00:24 < Be-El> aber momentan laeuft er mal wieder...bis er das naechste mal die root-partition zerschrotet
00:27 < huebi> Ich bevorzuge LSI-Logic
00:28 < huebi> Die machen deutlich weniger Aerger
00:29 < tsa> hm....hatte eigentlich noch nie aerger mit adaptec..
00:30 < huebi> Adaptec UW kann nicht mehr als 20MB ungepuffert wegschreiben. Ungepuffert laeuft dann garnichts.
00:30 < tsa> und lsi?
00:30 < huebi> Abitrierungsprobleme mit Plextor 32x
00:31 < huebi> lsi hat keinen Aerger gemacht. Die Linotype Belichtungsmaschine hat nicht gestoppt.
00:37 < tsa> hm..
00:40 < huebi> bzip2 ist nicht multithread faehig. bloed.
00:40 < huebi>  ** Finished (06/06/02 00:11:30 - 06/06/02 00:40:16) **
00:41 < th> war das der 486er build? ;-)
00:42 < huebi> th: nee, der kommt jetzt. Ich muss nur mal testen, ob jetzt das Booten wieder geht.
00:42 < huebi> lilo ist jetzt wieder auf 22.2
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00:45 < tsa> so...erstma bierchen suchen
00:46 < tsa> prost!
00:51 < hackbard> prost sebastian :)
00:51 < tsa> thx.
00:52 < Be-El> so...ab ins bett
00:53 < tsa> n8 Be-El
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00:58 < huebi> re
00:58 < tsa> hm... a lot of people seem to take the social event tomorrow..
00:58 < tsa> huebi, praenti, esden, rxr, ..
00:58 < hackbard> impossible for me ..
00:59 < hackbard> when do you arrive on friday tsa ?
00:59 < tsa> i'll arrive on friday, so i can't participate
00:59 < hackbard> :) i know
00:59 < tsa> hackbard: i don't know...we'll leave about 9 and expect the trip to take 4:30h 
01:00 < tsa> so we could be there at 13:30, but i wouldn't count on that..
01:00 < tsa> erm...
01:00 < tsa> important!
01:00 < tsa> we'll spend a lot of time at/near the booth, correct?
01:01 < hackbard> cool, i will arrive in the evening - i get the car @ about 16.00 and i think i will need about 2h
01:01 < hackbard> sure, why?
01:01 < tsa> do we have any kind of hardware to turn water into coffee?
01:02 < tsa> (linuxtag begins early every day)
01:02 < hackbard> i think fake brings his coffee machine
01:02 < tsa> aah
01:02 < tsa> cool.
01:02 < hackbard> ;)
01:03 < tsa> coffee is essential.
01:08 < rxr> re
01:08 < rxr> just on my borthers box ;-)
01:08 < tsa> hi rxr
01:08 < rxr> just to be sure - the linuxtag is int he Kongrezent+rum, tright ?ssZ
01:08 < rxr> hi tsa
01:09 * rxr wondering abour thwe character mess I produced above ;-)
01:09 < tsa>     * Ort: Messe- und Kongresszentrum Karlsruhe
01:09 < tsa> try copy&pasting your words from what others said before ;)
01:10 < rxr> ok - so I'll follow the instructions on the https://www.karlsruhe-messe-kongress.de/ page ...
01:10 < rxr> tsa: *lol*
01:11 < tsa>  Nur eine Ampel von der Autobahn entfernt ist die Europahalle. Eine unkomplizierte und stressfreie Anfahrt ist somit gewährleistet. 
01:11 < tsa> hm...
01:11 < tsa> looks ok.
01:12 < huebi> th == 01:11:18 =[1]=> Building base package 00-dirtree [1.5.16 1.5.16]
01:12 < huebi> i484
01:12 < huebi> i486
01:12 < huebi> nacht
01:12 < huebi> cu
01:12 < th> thx
01:12 < th> schlaf gut
01:12 < tsa> cu huebi
01:12 < huebi> danke ;-)
01:12 < tsa> 1.5.16 ;)
01:14 < lizard> 1.5.16 scripts released ?
01:17 < th> since a while i think
01:19 * tsa going to bed.
01:19 < tsa> cu all.
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01:22 < rxr> ok cu all
01:27 < lizard> th: where can i get them ?
01:27 < th> good question
01:27 < th> i take them from cvs ;)
01:28 < lizard> k, trying cvs 
01:28 < th> it's not public yet as it seems
01:28 < th> 1.5.15 would be gettable
01:29 < lizard> hmm
02:02 < lizard> what is a "Devlevel Error (2)" in ./scripts/Build-All COPY ??
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07:13 < huebi> moin
07:17 < huebi> th:  ** Finished (06/06/02 01:11:17 - 06/06/02 07:17:03) **
07:18 < SMP> hi huebi
07:21 < huebi> moin SMP ;-)
07:50 < huebi> cu
07:50 < huebi> bbl
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09:23 < [anders]> morning
09:23 < esden> morning
09:24 < [anders]> how are you today then esden?
09:24 < esden> tired ... but ok ... and you ?
09:25 * -> esden getting rocklinux issue for this damn debian alpha
09:25 < [anders]> Tired as well.. and looking forward to the football tomorrow.. :)
09:26 < [anders]> I am hoping to be able to buy a computer to put at home so I can build the new ROCK Linux...
09:30 < fake> morning!
09:31 < [anders]> re fake
09:36 < huebi> re
09:39 * huebi is benchmarking an Oracle database on an E4500...
09:41 < fake> huebi: stop benchmarking and come here :)
09:41 < huebi> fake: I'm forced to do that.
09:41 < huebi> with very much money ;-))
09:42 < fake> for... ?
09:42 < fake> not with, or did i get s/th wrong?
09:42 < huebi> for the benchmarking 
09:42 < huebi> I have to work today and tomorrow.
09:43 < fake> huebi: then take the E4k5c and bring it here.
09:43 < huebi> this evening I come to the social event.
09:43 < fake> oh, sw33t!
09:44 < fake> huebi: so you'll bring the guinness today? *grin*
09:44 < huebi> fake: All I can get today, I'll g=bring with me
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09:44 < [anders]> some nice muzak:  https://www.d-a-d.dk/sounds/bad-craziness.mp3
09:44 < netcrow> hi
09:47 < fake> hi netti!
09:48 < fake> huebi: how much will that presumably be?
09:49 < netcrow> fake: wie läufts da oben?
09:49 < huebi> fake: all Maruhn has to sell
09:49 < fake> hm. 103,4 kb/s @netti
09:50 < fake> huebi: who/what ist Marhun?
09:50 < huebi> fake: the biggest Bierladen in the world\
09:51 < netcrow> where is this beershop?
09:51 < huebi> DA- Pfungstadt
09:52 < fake> huebi: sounds .... big. well, we have enough space for about 2 LKWs full of BEER.
09:53 < huebi> fake: how many m2 is the booth?
09:53 < fake> and another 10 LKWs in the back ;-)
09:53 < fake> it was 15 qm initially....
09:53 < netcrow> has someone made pictures?
09:53 < fake> but we..... err...... cheated ;(
09:53 < fake> err
09:53 < fake> ;)
09:53 < fake> netcrow: beeing taken at the moment
09:54 < fake> now it's 2 m longer
09:54 < fake> (the booth)
09:56 < huebi> fake: https://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.15/rock-intel-i586-base+opt-1.5.15_2002-05-27_02h30.iso <- the official ISO.
10:04 < fake> huebi: mom
10:05 < fake> huebi can you compress it with bzip2 or sth?
10:05 < fake> plz
10:07 < netcrow> sth?
10:08 < fake> something
10:13 < SMP> fake: it doesn't make a lot of sense to compress an image of mostly compressed files, no
10:14 < fake> SMP: you don't come to lxtag, i won't listen to you. *armeverschraenk* *wegdreh* *schmoll*
10:15 < fake> huebi: 230 kb/s
10:17 < esden> re hi all
10:17 < netcrow> hi esden
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10:19 < niteblade> hi there
10:21 < esden> niteblade: hi
10:21 < esden> netcrow: hi ... bilder werden im laufe des tages kommen ... ;-)
10:22 < niteblade> ich hab da noch ein build problem mit dem neusten snap. erinnert sich da noch wer an gestern?
10:26 < fake> gestern ist vergessen
10:26 < niteblade> es ging darum, daß ab stage 2 das chroot nicht funktioniert hat
10:27 < niteblade> inzwischen kann ich zumindest sagen, daß es mit dem tmpfs zusammenhängt
10:27 < niteblade> ist da schon ein Problem mit bekannt?
10:32 < fake> tmpfs?
10:32 < fake> du benutzt es?
10:32 < fake> *g*
10:33 < niteblade> ich hab's mal probiert *g*
10:33 < niteblade> klang witzig ;)
10:33 < niteblade> jedenfalls scheints nicht zu gehen
10:34 < fake> err.... no XPerience here ;)
10:35 < niteblade> na dann probier ich's nochmal ohne :)
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11:03 < hackbard> moin
11:03 < niteblade> moin hackbard 
11:04 < hackbard> hi niteblade! already read the mail?
11:04 < niteblade> hackbard: yep. I found out that the problem dissapears with disabling tmpfs
11:05 < hackbard> ahh i see, great
11:05 < niteblade> is there any problem already known with tmpfs?
11:10 < hackbard> sorry, i dont know
11:19 < niteblade> hmm... just another silly question: do you speak german? =)
11:24 < hackbard> fliessend :))
11:25 < niteblade> alles andere hätte mich auch schwer gewundert ;)
11:30 < praenti> moin
11:30 < praenti> huebi: hab ne antwort.
11:31 < praenti> huebi: lilo sucht nach em substring bmp, menu und text
11:31 < praenti> huebi: also zeile install=/boot/boot-menu.b geht aber mit install=/boot/boot.b geht nix mehr
11:32 * praenti is essen
11:50 < fake> ...
11:50 < fake> shit
11:50 < fake> volume header zu klein gemacht >_<
11:51 < fake> hach is das geil... an einer mips arbeiten - mit nem framebuffer...
11:51 < fake> und nicht ueber 9600 baud ...
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12:28 < fake> hi cliff!
12:29 < fake> kommsch noch?
12:37 < huebi> Scheiss Stress. I musste eban mal schnell 23 18GB Platten formatieren.
12:37 < fake> is das viel arbeit?
12:37 < huebi> fake: Im wesendlichen neue Disklabel schreiben. aber 23 Stuck sind 23 Stuck ;-(
12:39 < praenti> hi huebi 
12:39 < huebi> niteblade: tmpfs nicht unter 2GB Hauptspeicher. XFree86 steigt sonst aus IIRC
12:39 < praenti> fake: bist du schon am linuxtag?
12:40 < huebi> hi praenti 
12:41 < praenti> wer is schon am LINUXTAG?
12:42 * [anders] is thinking about buying a Shuttle SS40G case and sticking an Athlon XP1800+, 512MB RAM, 80GB disk and  DVD/CDRW in it....
12:47 < fake> huebi: iso is here.
12:47 * fake is
12:47 < fake> esden, two from singapore ;) and ripclaw
12:48 * praenti comes tomorrow
12:48 < fake> when?
12:48 < SMP> envys the LT crew ;(
12:48 < huebi> I'll come and bring a fast cdburner tonight. Or perhaps a Burner PC.
12:49 < praenti> fake: tomorrow morning
12:49 < praenti> but must leave tomorrow evening
12:50 < fake> SMP: hee... it'll surely not be the last lxtag. next year, all major and minor distribution will use rock in the background ;)
12:50 < fake> praenti: so you're here for only one day??
12:50 < huebi> fake: I hope so ;-))
12:50 < praenti> fake: leider
12:50 < fake> huebi: time prediction update?
12:51 < huebi> 19:30 Sozial event.
12:51 < fake> hm... you will leave your computer here?
12:52 < fake> err... and... please bring lots LOTS _LOTS_ of power outlets
12:52 < fake> we are... a bit... short.
12:52 < fake> (can't run 50% of the hardware)
12:52 < praenti> fake: ich?
12:52 < hackbard> fake: wo park ich am besten (temporaer oder auch fuer immer) um meinen compi reinzuschleppen ?
12:52 < fake> hackbard: hm, da hast etz a problem, aufbau war gestern....
12:52 < fake> kannst versuchen reinzufahren
12:52 < fake> ist ausgeschildert
12:52 < fake> praenti: nein huebi
12:53 < huebi> also viele Kabel....
12:53 < niteblade> huebi: gibt zumindest bei mir vorher schon Probleme, aber danke für den Tip ;)
12:53 < huebi> Verteilerdosen....
12:53 < fake> genau
12:53 < praenti> fake: ich kann vieleicht auch noch eine 3er dose mitbringen
12:54 < fake> in netzwerkkabeln schwimmen wir auch nicht geradezu
12:54 < huebi> niteblade: Oder Kernel patchen, das der mehr tmpfs memory zulaesst 75% statt 50%
12:54 < fake> praenti: carlos bringt auch welche mit, ich will nur huebi als backup ;)
12:54 < huebi> fake: ok
12:54 < praenti> fake: carlos??
12:54 < fake> praenti: arbeitskollege und freund von rippi
12:55 < praenti> fake: ok. dann lass ich mein zeug daheim
12:56 < hackbard> fake: hmm, nich gut ..
12:56 < hackbard> gibts keien hintereingang oder son schrott ..
12:57 < praenti> hackbard: soweit ichjoeys mail gelesen hab, haben die vorne ne liste mit den namen liegen. vor öffnung müsste man dann doch auch mit hardware reinkommen können,oder?
12:58 < hackbard> braucht ihr ueberhaupt noch nen brennpc? 
12:59 < hackbard> praenti: jo, aber nicht dass ich das zeug vom entlegen waldparkplatz bis zur kongresshalle schleppen muss ..
12:59 < hackbard> ;)
12:59 < praenti> stimmt. da is natürlich nix gesagt worden
12:59 * praenti muss etz in die fh
12:59 < praenti> cu
12:59 < hackbard> cu praenti
13:00 < huebi> cu praenti 
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13:11 < huebi> So, Auto hat wieder Tuev ;-)) Und neue Bremsen vorne. Die haben schon auf dem Blech gekratzt. 
13:14 < huebi> Bei unter 7mm Reststaerke, spaetestens bei 6mm, reissen dann die Scheiben von der Nabe ab. Lustiges gefuehl...
13:20 < th> outch
13:36 < fake> hat jemand ma nen jumper?
13:37 < niteblade> klar, kann dein mimedecode hardware/jumper ?
13:38 < huebi> fake: jumper auch noch
13:40 < th> kennt hier noch jemand sehr kundennahe provider mit eigenem NOC?
13:41 < huebi> th: SMP?
13:41 < th> da bin ich ja schon. aber in WR sind die GBs noch recht teuer
13:41 < th> ich will irgendwo UML-kisten unterbringen
13:42 < hackbard> fake: koenntest du mal rc fragen, ob wirklich noch ein brennpc gebraucht wird? ich sehe naemlich gerade dass man sonntag schon frueh abbauen muss, und ich komme erst freritag abend. mur fuer samsatg loht das vielleicht nicht .. 
13:42 < th> es gibt orte in deutschland, da kriegt man das gigabyte fuer 1.72 EURO
13:43 < huebi> In Schweden gibt's Elche .... und 10MBit S-DSL ins Haus bei 100GB frei fuer 60 EUR. ;-))
13:44 < th> ich hab da aber kein haus :-(
13:44 < huebi> Neue Netzwerkadresse nur bei reboot.
13:44 < th> dann braeuchte ich wohl ein NOC in schweden, wenn da die preise SO klein sind
13:44 < hackbard> und schwede ist auch so recht schoen .. ;)
13:45 < huebi> hackbard: ACK
13:45 < hackbard> +n
13:45 < SMP> es gibt Orte in DE, da gibt's das GB fuer 99 Cent
13:45 < SMP> das ist dann aber nicht 'kundennah'
13:45 < th> stimmt
13:45 < niteblade> SMP: wo denn?
13:45 < SMP> sondern nur 'billig'
13:46 < SMP> niteblade: Commplex
13:46 < niteblade> wo bieten die denn an?
13:47 < SMP> weiss ich nicht, weil ist mir egal
13:48 < SMP> wenn man nicht grad mehrere TB abnimmt, ist alles unter 5 EUR unserioes
13:49 < niteblade> die haben 'ne erfreulich schnelle site...
13:49 < SMP> besonders dann wenn darin noch RZ Leistungen enthalten sind
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14:14 < niteblade> hmm... nächstes Problem beim build
14:15 < niteblade> in stage 2 gcc3:
14:15 < niteblade> > Trying to copy the default documentation ...
14:15 < niteblade> > cp: accessing `/usr/doc/gcc3/BUGS': Not a directory
14:16 < snyke> hi all
14:19 < fake> hackbard: hm..... ich gaub nich
14:19 < hackbard> fake: ack, dann lss ich ihn doch daheim
14:19 < hackbard> bock auf die cyber910, dieist handlicher ? :)
14:20 < fake> jo!
14:20 < hackbard> okay, nehme ich mit ..
14:20 < fake> ich schwimme dann in mips-hardware ;)
14:20 < hackbard> :))
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14:37 < th> huebi: gibts eigentlich kein 1.5.16 iso?
14:37 < th> huebi: jetz mein ich mal nicht 486
14:41 < fake> hackbard ?
14:41 < fake> wegen der CD die du hattest (IRIS) welche version is das?
14:42 < fake> und wann kommst du endliiiich *g*
14:42 < th> fake: du meinst sicher IRIX?
14:43 < fake> IRIS
14:43 < fake> ja
14:43 < fake> jajajaja
14:43 < fake> :P
14:43 < th> iris is doch nur der maschinentyp, oder?
14:43 < th> indigo personal iris ;)
14:43 < hackbard> ich habe kein irix. ich hatte nur vorkopiliertes userland und linuxkernel von einer der seiten die du mir als tip in der mail geschrieben hattest
14:43 < fake> hm, ich dachte es gebe auch iris als soft
14:43 < hackbard> freitag so gegen 7 (round about)
14:43 < fake> hackbard: DAMN! wer war das?
14:43 < fake> Huebi?
14:43 < th> aktuelle irix version ist 6.5.16
14:44 < fake> th> jemand hier will ne 4er version
14:44 < th> 4er?
14:44 < hackbard> no idea, aber ich kann mal nen kumel fragen ob der es hat, mom
14:44 < niteblade> und wech...
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14:46 < rxr> re
14:56 < hackbard> hi rene!
14:56 < rxr> hi hackbard !
14:59 < hackbard> rxr: wie kannst du einmal von dienem bruder und einmal von karlsruhe (nehme an da bist du jetzt) hier sein, ohne neu zu joinen?
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15:02 < rxr> weil irssi in nem screen laeuft ? ;-)
15:02 < term_emu> tag
15:03 < hackbard> hi term_emu
15:04 < hackbard> rxr: oh, i see
15:06 < th> hackbard: wir (die irssi user) koennen sogar die irssi-version wechseln ohne neu joinen zu muessen
15:07 < hackbard> hehe, cool
15:07 < hackbard> oder, verrueckt? ;)
15:08 < hackbard> hmm, mal angucken, wie ich dich kenne gib es bereits ein ext
15:08 < th> die irssi.ext ist nicht mehr von mir sondern von smp. ich maintaine die irssi-snapshot.ext
15:08 < th> zumindest in 1.5
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15:13 < rxr> hackbard: th: Does anyone know when hollyolli wanted to arrive here ?
15:16 < hackbard> he (and sister/daughter/girlfriend) signed for breakfast on saturday so i think he will arrive on friday.
15:18 < th> rxr: i'm not there. and i have no ideas
15:18 < th> s,ideas,idea,
15:28 < rxr> hackbard: wann wolltest du hier vorbeischauen ?
15:30 < hackbard> freitag, as early as possible ;)
15:30 < hackbard> leider bekomm ich das auto erst so gegen 16 uhr
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15:47 < th> wie konzipiert man am geeignetsten einen smtp server fuer kunden von dynamischen IPs?
15:49 < fake> th> paranoid
15:49 < fake> th> sonst blacklist
15:49 < th> paranoid?
15:49 < th> achso
15:49 < th> paranoid
15:49 < th> ich dachte es gaebe ne gute loesung
15:50 < th> man koennte ja ein sslwrap fuer's smtp machen
15:52 < fake> du kannst auch ne ssh-pptp-verbindung zu nem smarthost machen
15:52 < fake> oder buschtrommeln....
16:00 < th> stunnel oder sowas in kombination mit nem eigenen authentifizierungsmechanismus sollte wohl gut sein
16:02 < fake> jo.
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16:05 < rolla> where can I find a iso of rock linux for alpha ?
16:06 < th> ouhm
16:06 < th> do we have a alpha iso?
16:06 < fake> err....
16:07 < fake> yes
16:07 < fake> mom
16:07 < fake> nope
16:07 < fake> esden has none 
16:07 < fake> so we dont have one.
16:07 < rolla> that sucks
16:07 < fake> blame esden.
16:07 < fake> holliolli has one
16:07 < rolla> :)
16:08 < fake> esden supposes
16:08 < fake> rolla: build one yourself?
16:08 < rolla> ;)
16:09 < fake> thats no joke
16:09 < rolla> it is if you expect me to build an alpha dist
16:10 < fake> why?
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16:13 < rolla> maybe I should ask what all is involed in it
16:13 < fake> rolla: do you speak german?
16:14 < rolla> no 
16:14 < fake> no problem.
16:15 < fake> 1) set up a debian system on the alpha
16:15 < fake> 2) make sure gcc and the common development utils are installed (tasksel)
16:15 < fake> 3) apt-get install gawk
16:15 < rolla> so rock is esomething you added on to another linux distro ?
16:16 < fake> 4) cd /etc/alternatives/ ; rm awk ; ln -s /usr/bin/gawk awk
16:16 < fake> nope
16:16 < fake> you use debian only to compile rock on the alpha
16:16 < th> rolla: rock is something you can build on another distro
16:17 < rolla> nod I understand now
16:17 * rolla wonders off to RTFM
16:18 < fake> rolla: good boy!
16:18 < fake> ;-)
16:19 * rootsh fala portugues alguem fala portugues tambem
16:19 < fake> que?
16:19 < rootsh> fake vc eh que pais?
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16:22 < rolla> how is rock differant from redhat ;)
16:22 < fake> redhat sucks, rock rulez.
16:22 < fake> ;-)
16:22 < rolla> #  Talk to people about ROCK (explain why ROCK is different from Red Hat)
16:22 < rolla> from your own site .
16:23 < rolla> I actually want to know more than just it rules ;)
16:23 < fake> rolla: did anyone ever say: We don't have a RedHat ISO handy. go and compile one ypurself. ?
16:24 < fake> rolla: it's mostly about the pureness of the system (vanilla) and the build process
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16:24 < rolla> ahh
16:24 < fake> and the ability to easily create your own distribution ontop of rock
16:24 < rolla> okay I understand now
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16:29 < rolla> okay one more question . If I want to install Rock on x86 I pull down the source build it and then create a cd image from that to use to install on another like system ?
16:29 < th> well
16:29 < th> there are isos for x86
16:30 < rolla> well that would make it easy
16:30 < rolla> I will have to go download that and give it a go on my test box :)
16:31 < rolla> Now I know it is taboo but could I build rocklinux source on a redhat alpha linux box and then install rock over the redhat ?
16:33 < rolla> :)
16:33 < fake> sure, theoretically.
16:34 < fake> depends how broken your redhat is
16:34 < rolla> :P
16:36 < [anders]> rolla: ROCK will give you more control over your environment than most other distributions. It is also not a massive 2 DVD thingy..
16:36 < rolla> :)
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16:37 < [anders]> the way I have understood it, ROCK positively encourages you to get stuck in and learn about your system, how it works etc.
16:40 < [anders]> There is not the "featureitis" of SuSE and RedHat in ROCK. I think there somewhere in the FAQ states that ROCK has a minimalistic approach and a default install has almost no services running. (Hence a default install has borrowed the mindset from OpenBSD and is also very secure)
16:40 < [anders]> clifford et al.: if I am wrong, correct me.. :)
16:43 < [anders]> rolla: you should also be able to x-build ROCK on an ix86 machine for your alpha and cut the install CD that way..
16:43 < rolla> hmm that would be cool
16:44 < sockmonk> also, Rock is source based; once you build or rebuild it for your machine, everything should be optimized for your cpu
16:44 < sockmonk> RedHat is typically optimized for 386 machines 
16:48 < [anders]> The pachaging system is being rewritten now but looking at the build-system for ROCK 1.4.0 it is very easy to make your own extensions for some software you want to build and install..
16:48 < [anders]> (I've done it and if I can do it, anyone can..)
16:49 < sockmonk> here's a question: if I customize the build scripts for a Rock package,
16:49 < sockmonk> what's the best way to avoid having my changes overwritten the next time I dl a snapshot?
16:49 < [anders]> s:pachaging:packaging:
16:49 < rolla> so there are only iso for 1.4.0 ?
16:49 < [anders]> sockmonk: don't extract the new snapshot over the old one...
16:50 < th> rolla: no
16:50 < [anders]> rolla: there are ISO's for various snapshots as well I'd guess...
16:50 < th> 1.5.15
16:50 < sockmonk> rolla: there's a drock 1.4.1 iso
16:50 < fake> rolla: also 1.6.0
16:50 < fake> dRock
16:50 < fake> 1.5.15 generic Rock
16:51 < sockmonk> [anders]: so I extract the new snapshot somewhere else, then copy my custom packages over it?
16:51 < [anders]> there might even be an ISO for alpha floating around somewhere..
16:51 < [anders]> sockmonk: that's how I'd do it..
16:52 < sockmonk> ok. then I just need a way to keep track of which packages I need to do that to.
16:52 < sockmonk> fortunately there shouldn't be too many. ;-)
16:52 < [anders]> sockmonk: if you are writing completely new extensions, you should be able to extract new snapshots over it, but if you mod existing extensions....
16:53 < sockmonk> [anders]: right, I'm talking about changing/tweaking existing extensions
16:54 < [anders]> extract new snapshot somewhere else and copy your extensions into there.. 
16:54 < [anders]> or even make a patch and submit to the mailing-list/maintainer of the package...
16:54 < sockmonk> and keep a running list of such extensions as I mod them.
16:55 < [anders]> da..
16:55 < [anders]> always a good idea..
16:55 < sockmonk> [anders]: I'll make a patch if I find something broken, but it might just be a different .muttrc, or the way I like Apache built, which will be different for different people
16:58 < [anders]> sockmonk: yeah... maintaining your own mods then makes sense..
17:00 < sockmonk> I will say that I *love* many of rock's customizations,
17:00 < sockmonk> from the smiley's at boot time to multiple asterisks at password prompts
17:01 < [anders]> which reminds me.. I have to do some testing at some point... Sometime I'd like to maintain a built environment (not necessarily what the system is running) where I can build new packages to install somewhere else.
17:01 < [anders]> as in: having a built env for i686 and another built env for athlon...
17:02 < sockmonk> that could be useful
17:02 < [anders]> that way I can just tweak the extension, drop the new source archive in place and build the package..
17:03 < [anders]> I also have to research how to upgrade the base of ROCK (glibc and the absolute basic packages)...
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17:04 < sockmonk> scripts/Build-All , and hope it does things in the right order?
17:05 < [anders]> Hmm.. The problem with upgrading the base of a running system is that lots of things are dependant on libc and ld.so for example..
17:06 < sockmonk> that's why I would rebuild everything at once
17:06 < [anders]> I wonder if it would be possible to have a static binary that you can run of the CD that would update the base..
17:06 < sockmonk> does rock keep track of dependencies?
17:06 < [anders]> pass... I think the new system does..
17:07 < huebi> Can somebody come to me to get the burner? I _must_ work late.
17:07 < huebi> Its about 80 Km
17:07 < sockmonk> if you booted from a cd and chrooted to your system to update,
17:07 < [anders]> huebi: bit further than 80km to get to you mate.. :)
17:07 < sockmonk> you at least wouldn't break anything halfway through and get stuck
17:08 < huebi> [anders]: ;-))
17:09 < [anders]> sockmonk: yeah, that should work. as long as all packages on the system gets updated in one go..
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17:26 < huebi> cu later. I've got to catch the train
17:34 < [anders]> ok, time to get ready to go home.. cu guys later.. :)
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18:08 < fake> *argh*
18:08 < fake> damn network
18:09 < fake> linuxtag network, i mean.
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19:21 < huebi> re
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19:36 < bluefire> Moin
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20:09 < freed> hi @ll
20:09 < huebi> hi freed 
20:09 < freed> hi huebi
20:10 < freed> na alles schoen bei euch?
20:11 < huebi> freed: Die sind alle auf der Party
20:11 < freed> ???
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20:12 < huebi> LinuxTag Party
20:12 < freed> axo
20:12 < freed> ich installier gerade mal drock
20:13 < freed> sag mal muss in den kernel was rein zwecks dvb-card?
20:13 < th> SMP: wieder da?
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21:00 < bluefire> huebi: Warum bist du nicht aufm Linuxtag?
21:09 -!- clifford_ is now known as clifford
21:09 < clifford> hi!
21:09 < freed> hi
21:10 < clifford> freed: are you at linuxday?
21:11 < clifford> is anyone from linuxtag listening?
21:11 < freed> no
21:11 < clifford> hmmm.... to bad.
21:11 < [anders]> soz, got 2 much work to do, can't go...
21:11 < freed> i'm at home
21:11 * [anders] is in UK and don't even know where LinuxTag is held this year..
21:12 * clifford needs to ask rene a question ..
21:12 < clifford> [anders]: Karlsruhe - I'll be there over the weekend.
21:12 < [anders]> Bit far to drive for me.. :-)  I have to attend one of these gatherings at some point.. 
21:13 < [anders]> clifford: the only problem is that I'll feel really old when attending..
21:13 * [anders] is heading fast towards the big three-O
21:14 < clifford> oho - [anders] is a really old guy!   :-)
21:14 < [anders]> mmhmmm.. and don't I know it...
21:14 < clifford> attend a Usenet con and you will feel young again.  :-)
21:15 < [anders]> *grin* there will probably be usenet postings from me from about 1992-93 coming back to haunt me... :)
21:16 < [anders]> Only today did I find a song from 1991 that I really liked and almost had forgotten...
21:16 < clifford> which one?
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21:16 < [anders]> Bad Craziness, by D-A-D (Disneyland After Dark)...
21:17 < [anders]> I can DCC it to you if you want, it's freely available of their website so...
21:17 < [anders]> if you lke Rock that is.. :)
21:17 < [anders]> like even..
21:18 < clifford> [anders]: no - thanks. I like rock, but i need my bandwith..  :-)
21:18 < [anders]> hehehe
21:18 < [anders]> I have only had ADSL for a week so I have bandwidth to spare...
21:19 < [anders]> I really need to get the cash together for one of those Shuttle cases and build a box I can keep on the net permanently..
21:19 * clifford 's favorite song is Popcorn from Hotbutter (70'ies)
21:20 < [anders]> I remember about two dozen incarnations of that song in Amiga module format.. 
21:21 < [anders]> if you have xmp I can probably dig it out and dcc it ya.. :)
21:45 * clifford has been away for a while
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21:45 < holyolli> moin
21:47 < clifford> holyolli: are you at ccc?
21:49 < holyolli> clifford: ccc?
21:49 < holyolli> clifford: not linuxtag? ;-)
21:50 * holyolli is probably at 19c3... ;) _and_ at linuxtag
21:50 < clifford> err. yes sure: linuxtag. :-)
21:53 < holyolli> clifford: i'll go to karlsruhe tomorrow morning (together with tsa and my girlfriend)
21:57 < clifford> ohh - I'll go tomorrow evening.
21:58 < holyolli> nice :) them we can have a funny night in karlsruhe with all the rock-people :)
21:58 < holyolli> btw. is there internet-connectivity at linuxtag?
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22:10 < holyolli> hi hoho
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22:27 < tsa> hi
22:27 < clifford> hi.
22:27 < tsa> hi clifford
22:35 < holyolli> huhu tsa
22:37 < sockmonk> kp39: try `apachectl stop`
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22:48 < sockmonk> real: check the CGI environment variables. you can get to them from php as well
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22:58 < d3mian> re
22:58 < holyolli> hi d3mian
23:02 < tsa> hi holyolli
23:03 < holyolli> hallo tsa.
23:03 < d3mian> hi all
23:03 < freed> hello d3mian :)
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23:07 < holyolli> hi rxr
23:07 < holyolli> rxr: das mit dem poster hat prima geklappt :)
23:10 < tsa> hi rxr
23:10 < tsa> bist du schon in karlsruhe?
23:15 < d3mian> nickserv up
23:16 < tsa> holyolli: weisst du was ueber aussenanbindung und linuxtag?
23:16 < holyolli> nope
23:16 < tsa> gibbet sowas?
23:16 < holyolli> leider nicht
23:17 < holyolli> keine ahnung
23:17 < tsa> hm...ok
23:17 < holyolli> .oO(meine cisco mit einpacken? ;)
23:17 < d3mian> btw.. lxtag started right?
23:17 < tsa> holyolli: jajajajaja.
23:17 * tsa will post lesen koennen.
23:17 < holyolli> hehe
23:18 < tsa> ne, im ernst. nimm mal ruhig mit, weil frisst keinen platz..
23:19 < holyolli> ack.
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23:45 < sockmonk> real: question?
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