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00:02 < fronti__> moin
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00:35 < Freak> die hohen nummern, also so ziemlich die letzten (neuesten) bilder sind vom RockLinux-Vortrag im Forum --> http://linuid.dhis.org/~sraible/guckmal/lt2k2/images/
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01:44 < hackbard> n8
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06:49 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux @ LinuxTag - http://www.rocklinux.org/
06:49 -!- Topic set by th [Fri Jun  7 18:26:16 2002]
06:49 (Users #rocklinux)
06:49 [ [anders]  ] [ coldie] [ Freak ] [ praenti] [ simon   ] [ th] 
06:49 [ aszlig    ] [ esden ] [ fronti] [ rolla  ] [ SMP     ] 
06:49 [ blindcoder] [ fake  ] [ huebi ] [ rxr    ] [ surprise] 
06:49 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 16 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal]
06:49 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Mon Apr  1 00:17:34 2002
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07:50 < freed> hi
08:55 < freed> jemand da?
08:58 < aszlig> jep ;)
08:59 < freed> guten morgen
08:59 < aszlig> hullo
09:00 < freed> ich bekomm meine dvb-s card nicht an den start, kann mir da jemand helfen?
09:00 < aszlig> hmm, nope
09:00 < freed> schade
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09:10 < tsa> Moin.
09:10 < tsa> *GAEHN*
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09:36 < [anders]> re
09:36 < tsa> hi [anders]
09:36 < [anders]> morning tsa, you still at the fair?
09:40 < tsa> no, it ended yesterday..
09:40 < tsa> still a little bit tired... ;)
09:48 < [anders]> heh, I can imagine..
09:49 < tsa> we left from linuxtag yesterday about 6 pm, so i got home about midnight..
09:49 < [anders]> the page with all the pictures on it, it would be great if people put comments under the pics.. Just so I can see who the people actually are..
09:49 < tsa> godd idea.
09:49 < [anders]> ouch.. late night and up early..
09:49 < tsa> yeah..
10:04 < SMP> Early to bed and early to rise makes a man tired and grumpy.
10:04 < SMP>                                 -- Dan Bernstein
10:04 < tsa> hehe...indeed.
10:04 < tsa> hi SMP
10:11 < aszlig> hi tsa ;)
10:11 < tsa> hi aszlig
10:12 < aszlig> tsa: urgh, /me forgot the cd :/
10:12 < tsa> argh.
10:12 < aszlig> tsa: but its only a local exploit ;)
10:15 < aszlig> tsa: that means, that i gave them to somebody... but dunno wtf! erm.. *fuckinbrainlag*, but i'll meet him (or her? dunno, too!) on sunday...
10:15 < fronti> morning
10:15 < tsa> hi fronti
10:15 < tsa> aszlig: you're getting old, it seems..
10:15 < tsa> ;)
10:16 < aszlig> tsa: but it has an advantage: i've got time to get an old i386 system for rl-tests (uuh, should not run build-tests on it)...
10:17 < aszlig> hehe, greets from alzheimer ;)
10:20 < aszlig> ahng: AlzHeimer Next Generation, maybe m$ should release a new wingdowze version after the "teletubbie attack"-release which had to do with some diseases :P
10:26 < tsa> aahhh..
10:26 < tsa> hail and praise to the inventors of coffee.
10:27 < tsa> i even start getting awake.
10:27 < tsa> <- deeply impressed. ;)
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11:41 < holyolli> moin
11:44 < tsa> huhu olli
11:44 < tsa> wie schauts?
11:45 < holyolli> tsa: och...ganz gut. und selber?
11:45 < holyolli> ausgeschlafen? ;-)
11:46 < tsa> hm...nicht wirklich
11:47 < tsa> durfte ja um 7 aufstehen... seitdem inhaliere ich unmengen kaffee..
11:47 < holyolli> hehe
11:47 < tsa> ich glaube, ich werde auch heute abend noch sehr gut schlafen koennen...
12:10 < aszlig> re
12:10 < aszlig> tsa: hehe, /me auch ;)
12:11 < holyolli> .oO(ist rxr eigendlich heile daheim angekommen?)
12:11 < aszlig> ka ;P
12:12 < tsa> holyolli: weiss nciht...afaik wollte der erst heute abend weiter nach berlin
12:12 < tsa> ist vorher wohl noch @home ..
12:17 < Freak> ähhhm
12:17 < Freak> *wink*
12:18 < Freak> mit wem hab ich denn Freitagabend noch gesprochen am Stand.. der hat auch den Vortrag im Forum gehalten.. falls er anwesend is, soll er sich ma melden :))
12:18 < Freak> vielleicht is das ja auch eben jener rxr
12:18 < Freak> (man weiss ja nie)
12:18 < holyolli> wenn er deutsch konnte, ist das rxr
12:19 < Freak> vermutlich..
12:19 < Freak> kennst du ihn persönlich? dann könnte ich dir das Foto zeigen wo er drauf is & du mir's bestätigen ;)
12:19 < tsa> www.rocklinux.org
12:20 < tsa> da ist nen link auf ne fotoseite vom linuxtag
12:20 < Freak> der nette junge mann auf der rechten Seite: http://linuid.dhis.org/~sraible/guckmal/lt2k2/images/IMG_0112.jpg
12:21 < holyolli> genau der
12:21 < Freak> ahh gut :)
12:22 < Freak> ich hab leider die dumme angewohnheit, net auf die namensschilder zu gucken ;)
12:22 < tsa> ja, das ist rene.
12:23 < Freak> ja, ich sahs im whois ..
12:23 < Freak> (:
12:23 < Freak> dank dir
12:23 < Freak> bzw euch
12:23 < tsa> kein problem
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12:26 < fake> mornin'
12:27 < holyolli> hi fake
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12:32 < tsa> moin fake
12:33 < tsa> Grr...Sybase-Entwickler alle erschiessen.
12:33 < holyolli> hehe
12:34 -!- hackbard [~hackbard@pD9E0A67D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
12:34 < tsa> hi hackbard
12:35 < hackbard> hi tsa!
12:35 < hackbard> moin all
12:35 < tsa> 1> show databases; 
12:35 < tsa> 2> go
12:35 < tsa> Msg 102, Level 15, State 1:
12:35 < tsa> Server 'webserver', Line 1:
12:35 < tsa> Incorrect syntax near ';'.
12:35 < tsa> kdhfgkjsdhfksdjhfjksdf!!!!!!!!
12:35 < tsa> SYBASE SUCKS.
12:36 < tsa> without ";" --> Stored procedure 'show' not found.
12:38 < tsa> 1> sp_helpdb
12:38 < tsa> 2> go
12:38 < tsa> this works.
12:38 < tsa> wasn't this an sql database? 
12:38 < tsa> wondering..
12:39 < tsa> find / -name syb* |xargs rm -f
12:39 < tsa> *grrr*
12:41 < holyolli> hi hackbard
12:55 < esden> hi all !!!
12:55 < esden> I RULE ;-)
12:55 < fronti> moin esdn
12:55 < esden> ich habe hm1 endlich bestanden
12:56 < esden> mit 3,3 !!!
12:56 < fronti> esden: gratulation
12:56 < esden> geil geil geil
12:56 < fronti> streber
12:56 < fronti> :)
12:56 < esden> lol
12:56 < esden> ja ich habe auch 3 monate gelernt ...
12:56 < fronti> :)
12:56 < esden> nicht die ganze zeit aber fuer meine verhaeltnisse viel
12:57 < esden> fronti: bist du neu hier ? ... 
12:57 < fronti> esden: nicht ganz
12:57 < fronti> esden: wieder hier
12:57 < esden> aha ... 
12:57 < holyolli> moin esden :) herzlichen glückwunsch
12:58 < fronti> esden: es gibt noch ein paar die mich kennen. hackbard zum beispiel
12:58 < esden> danke holyolli *verbeug*
12:58 < esden> asoo ....
12:58 < fronti> esden: damals war es hier noch klein und ueberschaulich
12:58 < esden> fronti: warst du am linuxtag ?
12:58 < fronti> esden: ja
12:58 < esden> dann musste ich dich gesehen haben
12:58 < esden> warst du der mit dem imac ?
12:59 < hackbard> yo olli!
12:59 < fronti> esden: nein.
12:59 < hackbard> huhu fronti
12:59 < esden> ...
12:59 < esden> hmm ...
12:59 < hackbard> esden: nein, das war max :)
12:59 < esden> hi hackbard !!
12:59 < fronti> moin hackbard 
12:59 < hackbard> der hat kaum was mit rock am hut
12:59 < fronti> hackbard: :)
12:59 < hackbard> hi esden
12:59 < fronti> hackbard: frueher mal mehr.. ich weiss. aber die zeit ist einfach zu wenig
12:59 < hackbard> alle gut heimgekommen ?
12:59 * holyolli schon
12:59 < hackbard> fronti: ich meinet max, den mit dem imac :)
12:59 < esden> hackbard: ja ... ich weiss dass der imac typ nichts mit rock zu tun hat ... deshalb habe ich mich gewundert
13:00 < hackbard> dir unterstell ich doch nichts ;)
13:00 < hackbard> esden: :)
13:00 < fronti> hackbard: ach so. nur weil ich ja auch max heisse :)
13:00 < esden> also ich bin ohne probleme heim gekommen jolt hat mir dabei geholfen ;-)
13:00 < hackbard> fronti: echt? cooler zufall
13:00 < hackbard> esden: haha, nice :)
13:00 < fronti> hackbard: ja, echt :)
13:01 < esden> ich bin jetzt gerade in der uni ...
13:01 < hackbard> ich bin heute nicht gegangen, musst eerstmal auspennen
13:01 < holyolli> hackbard: bist du mit der bahn gefahren?
13:01 < hackbard> ne, corsa :)
13:01 < esden> dass ich fuhr heute in die uni und habe panik geschoben was ich fuer ne note fuer hm1 kriege ...
13:02 < hackbard> a8 richtung muenchen, aetzende fahrt
13:02 < hackbard> viel stai etc..
13:02 < hackbard> stau
13:02 < holyolli> hackbard: ich dachte, du wohnst mehr richtung nrw..?
13:02 < esden> hackbard: ich habe nur einen stau in gegend von stuttgart gehabt
13:02 < hackbard> nope, augsburg
13:02 < holyolli> axxo
13:02 < hackbard> esden: afair war ich 2mal im stau
13:02 < esden> sonnst bin ich die ganze zeig mit 140 unterwegs ...
13:03 < hackbard> wo weiss ich nicht ;)
13:03 < esden> fuer meinen polo ist es viel ;-)
13:03 < esden> hackbard: kann sein dass es 2 waren ...
13:03 < hackbard> du bist etwas spaeter gefahren, vielleicht deswegen
13:03 * holyolli war auch nicht sooo schnell unterwegs..aber immerhin mit ner kaffeemaschine auf der fahrt ;-)
13:03 < esden> aber dass ist schon zu lange her dass ich mich erinnern koennte ;-)
13:04 < hackbard> btw, war chris schon weg, den habe ich garnichtmehr beim tschuess sagen gesehen, oder hatte ich ihn uebersehen?
13:04 < esden> holyolli: hast in der fahrt kaffee gekocht ?
13:04 < holyolli> nein. die maschine ;-)
13:04 < esden> holyolli: der war bis zum schluss da ...
13:04 < hackbard> vw bus ruled halt :)
13:05 < esden> er ist kurz bevor wir essen gegangen sind weg
13:05 < hackbard> ohh, dann habe ich ihn uebersehen, shit :(
13:05 < esden> hackbard: passiert ...
13:05 < esden> hackbard: brauchst halt brille ;-)
13:05 < hackbard> hehe :p
13:05 < esden> *gg*
13:06 < esden> soo jetzt mails abgrasen von den letzten 3 tagen ... uff
13:06 < hackbard> rock mailing liste war ertaunlich ruhig :))
13:06 < fronti> esden: viel spass :)
13:06 < hackbard> ich pack denn auch mal koffer aus, etc ..
13:06 < fronti> hackbard: das ging wohl eher muendlich :)
13:07 < hackbard> fronti: joar :)
13:07 < esden> Warum sind in Polen die Kreisverkehre viel groesser als bei uns?  Damit sie mit der Lenkradsperre herum kommen.
13:07 < esden> looool
13:08 < esden> der ist gut ... den habe ich noch nicht gekannt
13:08 < esden> lool
13:08 < hackbard> rofl
13:08 < holyolli> *lol*
13:08 < tsa> lol.
13:08 < esden> hackbard: sicher war die ruhig ... denn die die posten waren am lxtag beschaeftigt
13:10 < tsa> ack..
13:11 < tsa> naja, ich fahr mal richtung uni..
13:11 < tsa> cu all
13:11 < tsa> bis spaeter irgendwann.
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13:11 < fake> so.
13:11 < uninvited> moinsen !
13:11 < fake> hi esden hackbard uninvited fronti 
13:12 < hackbard> re fake
13:15 < fronti> moin fake 
13:17 < esden> hi fake !!!
13:18 < esden> fake: Ich habe mathe bestanden !!!!! mit 3,3 !!! *jump*
13:18 < esden> hi uninvited !
13:19 < fake> esden> cool!
13:19 < uninvited> 3,3 ? Und du freust dich ? Respekt ;-)
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13:21 < armijn> re
13:21 < uninvited> Okay. Cya later must restart network completely for DHCP support.
13:22 < fake> hi armijn !
13:22 < armijn> hi fake
13:22 < armijn> so...LinuxTag is over...
13:22 < aszlig> hullo fake
13:22 < aszlig> re
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13:23 < holyolli> hi armijn
13:23 < armijn> hi holyolli
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13:38 < esden> soo ... abgegrast ...
13:38 < esden> puhh
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13:39 [ [anders]  ] [ esden ] [ hackbard] [ rolla] [ surprise ] 
13:39 [ aszlig    ] [ fake  ] [ holyolli] [ rxr  ] [ term_aweh] 
13:39 [ blindcoder] [ Freak ] [ huebi   ] [ simon] [ th       ] 
13:39 [ coldie    ] [ fronti] [ praenti ] [ SMP  ] 
13:39 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 19 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 19 normal]
13:41 < esden> fake: gut heim gekommen? wann holst die indy ab ?
13:42 < fake> esden: freitag, wies aussieht
13:56 < esden> fake: gut ... wann bist du wieder in in ... dass naechste wochenende ?
13:59 < esden> hmm .. ich glaube ich habe fremde sachen mitgenommen ...
13:59 < esden> ich komme wie immer mit mehr zuerueck ...
13:59 < esden> hmm
13:59 < esden> ja ....
13:59 < esden> huebi's platte wird mutieren ...
14:00 < esden> ich liebe es wenn hardware mutiert ... vorallem zu was besserem ... *gg
14:00 < esden> *
14:01 < fake> esden> Pole!
14:03 < esden> fake: :-*
14:04 < esden> fake: wann kommst dann ? ... ... ... 
14:05 < holyolli> esden: aber meine alpha-platten hast du nicht, oder? ;-)
14:05 < esden> ich habe hunger ... wer bestellt was ?
14:05 < holyolli> esden: www.bringdienst.de
14:05 < esden> holyolli: noe ...
14:05 < esden> holyolli: und wer zahlt ? du ?
14:05 < holyolli> esden: och nöööö ;-)
14:06 < esden> ich habe kein ö hier auf der tastatur ...
14:06 < esden> ich muss mir was ueberlegen ...
14:12 < holyolli> *hm*
14:12 < holyolli> man xmodmap? ;-)
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14:13 < holyolli> .oO(no route to home hätte gestern besser gepasst *fg* ;-)
14:15 < esden> rofl
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14:36 < lizard> hi  root  ;-)
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14:37 < lizard> hehe
14:37 < fake> kline fuer root@*
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14:47 < holyolli> args! ein root-ircer...immer noch
14:47 < holyolli> ;-)
14:47 < holyolli> hallo klaus...es empfiehlt sich vieleicht _nicht_ als root zu ircen, falls dir die systemsicherheit deines rechners wichtig ist...
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15:43 < huebi> re
15:43 < fake> hi huebi!
15:43 < huebi> hi fake 
15:43 < huebi> ;-)
15:44 < huebi> Scheiss Dokumentation!!!
15:45 < fake> wenn ich jemand kennen wuerde der doku sheisst...
15:46 < huebi> fake: Mal Mathilda mit Papier und Tinte fuettern... hehe
15:47 < huebi> Ich bin so ein bischen am automatisiertem Dokumentationssystem am planen. Mal sehen, was da geht.
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15:50 < huebi> SMP: Was hast du ebend gemacht? Globale Sperre fuer root in #rocklinux?
15:51 < Freak> hehe
15:51 < SMP> quasi
15:51 < Freak> für alles was den usernamen root angegeben hat
15:51 < Freak> (wobei das nix heissen muss, ich könnte das auch eintragen hier in der konfig ;)
15:51 < huebi> Axo...
15:51 < huebi> Danke.
16:00 < fake> su toor
16:00 < fake> ;)
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16:01 < huebi> fake: und Odin?
16:05 < fake> odin is bei rock nicht default ;P
16:05 < fake> ausserdem heisst der thor 
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16:14 < fake> su -c 'cat /etc/passwd | grep toor'
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16:17 < armijn> re
16:23 < fake> question
16:24 < fake> what does the "~" in front of a username mean?
16:24 < fake> dialup ?
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16:26 < netcrow> fake: man or woman ;-)
16:32 < [anders]> fake: in what context?
16:32 < fake> irc
16:32 < fake> bitchx
16:32 < fake> maybe it's a client thing, i have no idea ;)
16:32 < fake> <--- IRC idiot
16:32 < [anders]> fake: in Unix, if you do "cd ~user" you cd to that users homedir...
16:32 < fake> anders?
16:32 < fake> if you cd ~
16:33 < fake> .... well, i knew that.
16:33 < [anders]> it is a way of denoting a user/useraccount..  :)
16:34 < [anders]> webservers use similar notation..
16:34 < fake> [anders]: i mena.
16:34 < fake> mean
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16:34 < fake> but
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16:35 < [anders]> would probably depend on the client and how they present the username..
16:36 < fake> probably? so you don't know either?
16:36 < armijn> ah well
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16:37 < [anders]> well, I can not say for sure, but I have a good idea that it is the client..
16:37 < [anders]> If you think about it, we are all connected to the same server, so it would not be the server doing it...
16:37 < [anders]> that leaves the client software..
16:39 < [anders]> netcrow and Lorini could still be using the same client s/w, but I doubt it..
16:39 < fake> well, i'll ask SMP when he's here. he knows for sure ;)
16:39 < [anders]> if they do, there will be a setting (somewhere) in the client that determines how to present the userid@host..
16:39 < [anders]> fake: hehehe.... :)
16:39 < netcrow> i use irssi
16:40 < Lorini> i use xchat
16:40 < fake> hm :-/
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16:41 < [anders]> I'm reasonably shure that is is up to the client to present that to the server.. I know that IRSSI will allow you to manipulate the username at least..
16:41 < [anders]> s/is is/it is/
16:41 -!- simon- is now known as simon
16:42 < fake> i'm not satisfied.
16:42 < Lorini> lol
16:42 < [anders]> fake: go read the RFC ... ;-)
16:43 < fake> okay.
16:44 < [anders]> I don't know the number of it.. hang on a sec and I'll see if I can find it..
16:44 < netcrow> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=tilde+im+irc&hl=de&lr=&selm=slworkD2AuGx.Aw1%40netcom.com&rnum=3
16:45 < netcrow> The tilde is there
16:45 < netcrow> when the IRC server can't get verified information from an IdentD on
16:45 < netcrow> the user who's making the connection
16:45 < [anders]> Interesting reading..
16:45 < [anders]> I am not running identd, and not very likely to do so either...
16:45 < [anders]> not to mention that I am faking the user-id through the client..
16:51 < [anders]> IRC RFC: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc1459.html
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16:53 < fake> netcrow: i guessed right ;)
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17:05 < huebi> cu later
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17:12 < rolla> I am having trouble with my dowload part of the build . What is curl ?
17:14 < hackbard> hi rolla
17:14 < rolla> hello
17:14 < hackbard> [T] curl is a client to get documents/files from or send docu-
17:14 < hackbard> [T] ments to a server, using any of  the  supported  protocols
17:14 < hackbard> [T] (HTTP, HTTPS, FTP, FTPS, GOPHER, DICT, TELNET, LDAP or FILE).
17:14 < rolla> hmm
17:14 < hackbard> :)
17:15 < hackbard> do you already run a rock system? 1.5.12?
17:15 < rolla> hmm I think the version I have and the one rocklnux want are differnat
17:15 < rolla> no
17:15 < rolla> I am trying to build my first one
17:15 < hackbard> okay
17:15 < hackbard> so it is installed?
17:15 < rolla> yes
17:15 < rolla> version 7.9.5
17:16 < hackbard> must work, i have 7.9.3 :)
17:16 < rolla> hmm
17:16 < hackbard> so paranoia check fails, right?
17:16 < rolla> it seems to be working in part somethings are being downloaded
17:16 < rolla> yes
17:17 < hackbard> hmm, strange
17:17 < hackbard> let me see ..
17:17 < rolla> I will have to wait till it is done and see what it says .
17:18 < rolla> thanks
17:18 < hackbard> ah, so download works?
17:19 < hackbard> or did you disable paranoia check?
17:19 < hackbard> what do you get when typing: type -p curl
17:24 < fake> woohoo!
17:24 < fake> 12 MB/s !
17:24 < fake> 15
17:24 < fake> 17
17:25 < fake> sw33t!
17:25 < fake> hat kpnquest aufgehoert das netz zu belasten? *fg*
17:25 < hackbard> :)
17:33 * fake muss zur post -_-
17:33 < fake> fahre dann gleich heim
17:33 < fake> bis nacher
17:34 < hackbard> bei 17 MB/s ? ;)
17:34 < hackbard> later fake
17:34 < netcrow> bye fake
17:34 * [anders] has been trying out a new build of the software here at work as well as writing my new webpage..
17:35 < [anders]> glimmer is a neat editor.. but I will probably go back to using Emacs..
17:45 < rolla> ack
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17:48 < fronti> re
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18:27 -!- Topic set by th [Fri Jun  7 18:26:16 2002]
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19:08 < armijn> I hate netsplits
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19:10 < th> hi huebi 
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19:14 < armijn> huebi awake?
19:19 < armijn> I'll take that as a "no"
19:20 < hackbard> yo armijn
19:20 < hackbard> yeah, i think he is in work ..
19:20 < armijn> ok
19:21 < armijn> I just sent out a gentle reply to ripclaw
19:21 < armijn> I reniced myself
19:24 < hackbard> which one? that from 18:20 ?
19:24 < armijn> no, I just sent it
19:24 < armijn> still in the "ether"
19:24 < hackbard> okay
19:25 < hackbard> so armijn, when di you change to 1.7 tree with sparc ?
19:25 < armijn> when I will change?
19:25 < armijn> not soon
19:25 < hackbard> its just because i dont get glibc build and dont know how to make it :)
19:25 < armijn> on what kind of machine?
19:25 < armijn> ultra 5?
19:25 < armijn> what's the error?
19:26 < hackbard> tried it on both, intel and the sparc64 itself with jans image
19:26 < hackbard> it misses crti.o in /usr/lib64
19:26 < armijn> jans image
19:26 < armijn> duh
19:26 < hackbard> yes i know
19:26 < hackbard> but ..
19:26 < armijn> duh
19:26 < armijn> duh
19:26 < armijn> duh
19:26 < hackbard> ;)
19:26 < armijn> argh
19:26 < armijn> I solved that *ages* ago
19:26 < hackbard> ohh
19:26 < armijn> but I'll be nice today
19:27 < armijn> first, we'll fix yuour /usr/include
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19:27 < armijn> hackbard: you behind the machine? or logged into it?
19:27 < hackbard> gimme a second ..
19:27 < armijn> just one :)
19:28 < armijn> dumdidum
19:29 < armijn> dum.
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19:29 < armijn> hackbard: will be back in a few minutes...
19:29 < hackbard> okay
19:29 < hackbard> its now booting
19:30 < hackbard> had to power my hub (forgot that)
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19:31 < Mike1> hi
19:33 < armijn> hackbard: let me know when it's up
19:33 < hackbard> it is
19:33 < hackbard> you may also login!
19:33 < hackbard> ssh -p 1622 root@hackdaworld.dyndns.org
19:33 < armijn> hackbard: nah, you need to do all the work
19:33 < armijn> ok, ok
19:33 < hackbard> hehe, sure
19:33 < hackbard> i will!
19:34 < armijn> k, am in
19:34 < hackbard> so how to fix the includes?
19:35 < armijn> did you already compile a new kernel?
19:35 < armijn> 2.4.something?
19:35 < hackbard> yes, on huebis machine
19:35 < armijn> but on this machine?
19:36 < hackbard> i tried with gcc3.1 but that one didnt work for me
19:36 < armijn> ok
19:36 < hackbard> though the build didnt fail
19:36 < armijn> you got the rock 1.5.15 scripts?
19:37 < hackbard> i just have 1.7 tree ... thast why i asked :)
19:37 < armijn> there are some essential things in the 1.5.15 tree you will need
19:37 < armijn> some scripts
19:37 < hackbard> okay
19:37 < hackbard> i am going to download it
19:38 < hackbard> btw, all the stuff is under /mnt/lfs
19:38 < armijn> the kernel expects to be compiled with sparc64-linux-gcc
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19:39 < hackbard> yes, thast why i did all that symlinks under build/default-...../tools/bin
19:39 < hackbard> thast where the crosscomiler is located
19:39 < armijn> crosscompiler?
19:39 < hackbard> sure
19:39 < armijn> cd /opt/egcs64-no-path/
19:39 < armijn> cd bin
19:40 < hackbard> uname says we are on 64 bit, but actually its just the kernel :)
19:40 < hackbard> nor?
19:40 < armijn> ln -s sparc64-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc sparc64-linux-gcc
19:40 < armijn> root@sparc:/opt/egcs64-no-path/bin# which sparc64-linux-gcc
19:40 < armijn>  /opt/egcs64-no-path/bin/sparc64-linux-gcc
19:40 < hackbard> yes, cuz i booted it up again
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19:41 < hackbard> normaly i would now remove it out of PATH
19:41 < hackbard> re fronti
19:41 < aszlig> rehullo ;)
19:41 < armijn> hackbard: no, you don't want to
19:41 < armijn> hackbard: now you've got the right compiler to build kernels
19:41 < hackbard> so i dont want to use the crosscompiler ..
19:41 < armijn> no
19:41 < armijn> not yet
19:42 < hackbard> okay
19:42 < armijn> hackbard: first you need a system that's a bit sane
19:42 < armijn> hackbard: it's time for a make dep :)
19:42 < hackbard> and we are also going to compile 32 bit userland?
19:42 < armijn> hackbard: at first
19:42 < hackbard> because that schould all work ..
19:42 < armijn> hackbard: first we're going to fix the glibc problem
19:42 < hackbard> okay!
19:43 < armijn> argh!
19:43 < armijn> urgh...
19:43 < armijn> some stuff is wrong...
19:43 < armijn> hmm
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19:44 < snyke> ARGH
19:44 < aszlig> arghs!
19:44 < snyke> ARGHS
19:44 < snyke> wo is der nickserv
19:44 < snyke> wo is chanserv
19:44 * aszlig 's leavin...
19:44 < snyke> warum is mein nickname und der channel futsch
19:44 < armijn> hehe
19:44 < aszlig> snyke: netsplit?
19:44 < snyke> hm
19:44 < armijn> snyke: because you speak german
19:44 < snyke> ah sorry
19:44 < armijn> the people at openprojects don't like gemrans
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19:44 < armijn> there was a severe netsplit
19:45 < armijn> hehehehehe
19:45 < armijn> sorry, couldn't resist
19:45 < aszlig> snyke - *lol*
19:45 < aszlig> hrhr
19:45 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux
19:45 < snyke> i that reason that my nickname is not saved?
19:45 < snyke> in a netsplit???
19:45 < armijn> *severe* netsplit
19:45 < aszlig> do you think quitting should change anything?
19:46 < armijn> hackbard: downloading egcs64, gonna build it from scratch first
19:46 < hackbard> is cc1 just another compiler ?
19:46 < aszlig> okay, goin' smoke, c'ya
19:46 < armijn> hackbard: it is used by gcc, quite important actually
19:46 < snyke> aszlig: i actually KNOW what a netsplit is
19:47 < hackbard> armijn: aha, but we are using egcs, so why need cc1 from gcc ?
19:47 < aszlig> aszlig: but maybe you're not familar with some irc-commands ;P
19:47 < aszlig> bbl
19:47 < snyke> I just didn't know that nick and chanserv forget my nick&channel that way. by the way i changed server from carter to tenn
19:47 < armijn> hackbard: egcs is gcc...
19:47 < armijn> so
19:47 < hackbard> oh :) - didnt now that 
19:47 < armijn> both the same set up
19:47 < hackbard> +k
19:47 < armijn> I'm gonna rebuild egcs64 from scratch...
19:48 < armijn> hackbard: I unpacked egcs64 in /tmp, I will configure it to build in /usr/local
19:49 < hackbard> hmm
19:49 < armijn> hackbard: I won't install it in /usr, because it will then overwrite the normal gcc
19:49 < hackbard> we _schoud_ use opt!
19:49 < armijn> ah, who cares :)
19:49 < hackbard> hmm, okay :)
19:49 < armijn> :)
19:50 < armijn> you want to rebuild everything later anyway, so
19:50 < armijn> hackbard: already downloaded rock 1.5.15 sources?
19:50 < hackbard> no tried to download egcs64
19:50 < hackbard> but it seems to not be in rock
19:51 < hackbard> i ll downlaod 5.15 now
19:51 < hackbard> ..
19:51 < armijn> good
19:51 < armijn> :)
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19:52 < armijn> hmm..gotta take a piss
19:53 < hackbard> much fun :)
19:53 < hackbard> rocklinux.dyndns.org seems to be down ..
19:55 < armijn> hackbard: ftp://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.15/
19:55 < hackbard> thx, downloading ..
19:56 < hackbard> there are no official links on the main poages .. :(
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19:56 < armijn> well...there is one...kinda
19:57 < hackbard>  /mnt/lfs/rock/rock-src-1.5.15 <- done
19:58 < armijn> hackbard: go to the subdir "misc"
19:58 < armijn> hackbard: and, ehr...unpack it first :)
19:59 < armijn> hackbard: better hurry, only got about 45 minutes left to help you fix everything
19:59 < armijn> which is actually all I need, but I will need some help
19:59 < hackbard> it is
19:59 < hackbard> i am already in misc :)
19:59 < hackbard> :p
19:59 < armijn> hackbard: want to know why the egcs64 failed?
20:00 < hackbard> jup
20:00 < armijn> hackbard: /opt/egcs64-no-path/bin/sparc64-unknown-linux-gcc -print-search-dirs
20:00 < armijn> that says that it looks in /opt/egcs64/lib, etc
20:00 < hackbard> aha
20:00 < hackbard> i move it back!
20:00 < armijn> so, you cannot just simply rename directories...
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20:01 < armijn> hackbard: nah, not really necessary, building new egcs64 :)
20:01 < hackbard> well, in my case i never wanted to use it .. 
20:01 < armijn> much more fun
20:01 < hackbard> hehe, okay
20:01 < uninvited> hello
20:01 < armijn> well, it is the official kernel compiler
20:01 < armijn> it still is, even though rxr claims that we safely can use gcc 3.1
20:01 < armijn> even though the sparc maintainer said last week that we still need egcs64
20:01 < hackbard> yeah
20:02 < hackbard> he ais his one is working
20:02 < armijn> hackbard: go to misc and copy the "generate-asm" script to /usr/bin
20:02 < hackbard> and his one is also realy boting here
20:02 < hackbard> but my attempts failed .. :(
20:02 < armijn> hackbard: ah well...
20:02 < armijn> hackbard: it's better to stick with egcs64 for now
20:02 < armijn> no matter what rxr says...
20:02 < armijn> hmm..brb
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20:03 < fake> wtf?
20:07 < snyke> ?
20:07 < snyke> gibts dich noch?
20:07 < snyke> ah sorry....english
20:07 < snyke> lol "FreeBSD 4.6-RELEASE will be released when it's ready."
20:09 < armijn> hackbard: still there?
20:10 < hackbard> sure
20:10 < armijn> hackbard: copied the script?
20:10 < hackbard> yep
20:10 < armijn> cool
20:10 < armijn> hackbard: add /usr/local/bin to your path
20:11 < armijn> ah, is already tehre
20:12 < armijn> argh, argh, argh...misconfigured egcs64
20:12 < armijn> grr
20:12 < hackbard> ?
20:13 < armijn> hackbard: name is wrong, so...
20:13 < armijn> hackbard: now it's there as sparc64-unknown-linux-gnu
20:13 < armijn> hackbard: I'll just add a symlink...
20:14 < hackbard> btw, i moved egcs back to /opt/egcs64
20:14 < armijn> k
20:15 < armijn> ok, make dep is running
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20:15 < hackbard> i am going to look what that generate-asm script is doing ..
20:15 < hackbard> hi chrisime
20:16 < armijn> hackbard: do /usr/local/bin/gcc --version and then you'll see why I didn't install egcs64 in /usr/bin
20:16 < armijn> hackbard: oh, the generate-asm script is pretty easy...
20:16 < armijn> hackbard: it decides which header file it has to choose, sparc or sparc64
20:17 < hackbard> okay
20:18 < armijn> hackbard: when the make dep is done, I want you to remove /usr/include asm (the symlink)
20:18 < armijn> and copy /usr/src/linux/include/asm-sparc and asm-sparc64 to /usr/include
20:18 < hackbard> okay
20:18 < armijn> then run generate-asm
20:18 < hackbard> i think its done now
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20:19 < armijn> hackbard: you sure?
20:19 < armijn> ah, working on it :)
20:20 < armijn> hackbard: cool, now check the header files in /usr/include/asm
20:21 < armijn> hackbard: and then you'll see what the generate-asm thing does...
20:21 < hackbard> okay, lots of header files there :)
20:21 < armijn> hackbard: now you'd be ready to build 1.5.15 (or 1.5.16 or whatever)
20:21 < armijn> and build a complete working ROCK system
20:22 < hackbard> okay!
20:22 < hackbard> but still 32 bit userland ..
20:22 < armijn> hackbard: ehr, yeah, and a few minor glitches, such as "modules"
20:22 < armijn> and "silo"
20:22 < hackbard> and as i said, if i remember correctly, that also perfectly worked with 1.7 if just defined sparc
20:22 < th> ICH /win 13
20:22 < th> oups
20:23 < hackbard> hi th!
20:23 < armijn> hackbard: well, but it isn't a sparc...
20:23 < armijn> hackbard: and this also solves the kernel issue...
20:23 < th> hi hackbard 
20:24 < hackbard> okay, but we have to use egcs for the kernel, so building normal sparc and after that build the kernel with egcs would be the same ..
20:24 < armijn> hackbard: well, at least you've got a sane system now (remember to also run generate-asm in /usr/src/linux/include)
20:24 < armijn> hackbard: I already take care of "building as normal sparc" in the scripts
20:25 < hackbard> okay
20:25 < hackbard> i will tyr a 5.15 build then
20:25 < armijn> hackbard: in ./scripts/Build-Pkg (search on sparc)
20:25 < hackbard> but it will take me some time to download the whole packages
20:26 < hackbard> thnx armijn!
20:26 < armijn> hackbard: and also "modules" doesn't work yet :((
20:26 < armijn> and there are no optimizations yet
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20:27 < rolla> hey My download is puking about curl again 
20:27 < hackbard> armijn: reason?
20:27 < hackbard> wb rolla
20:28 < rolla> yeah 
20:28 < rolla> my buffer ran out again and lost the error
20:28 < rolla> this is making me mad something about segfaults and the like
20:29 < armijn> hackbard: reason, I didn't integrate that into the scripts yet
20:29 < rolla> and it is leaving core file in my rocklinux dir
20:29 < hackbard> armijn: so that egcs64 is used for that, right?
20:29 < armijn> hackbard: for optimizations?
20:31 < armijn> hackbard: no, the optimizations are used by normal gcc
20:31 < hackbard> well, for the modules ..(if the kernel needs egcs instead of normal gcc, modules will needt it too) 
20:31 < armijn> ehr, egcs64, not egcs :)
20:31 < hackbard> aha
20:31 < hackbard> yeah, sure :)
20:31 < armijn> hackbard: the reason why modules fails is because of something else...
20:31 < hackbard> but --version says rgcs :p
20:31 < hackbard> s/r/e/
20:31 < armijn> hackbard: the config for linux and mouldes are almost identical
20:32 < armijn> and in fact, it shouldn't have been like this at all
20:32 < hackbard> aha
20:32 < armijn> (and will be solved in the next release)
20:32 < armijn> hackbard: if you want to I can patch it for you now :)
20:32 < hackbard> sure
20:32 < armijn> ok, gimme a few minutes
20:32 < hackbard> we will then test it, and if it works you can submit it
20:32 < hackbard> i ll begin downloading the packages ..
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20:33 < the][owl> hi
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20:33 < armijn> well, I just saw that huebi has already made a few changes to the CVS tree, but I can't access it right now :(
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20:34 < hackbard> so if there is no opt. yet, i ll leave it to v7, okay?
20:34 < hackbard> yeah, it seems to be down :(
20:34 < hackbard> hi the][owl
20:35 < armijn> hackbard: yeah, but you can also set it to v8 if you like...
20:35 < armijn> it will work on your machine
20:37 < armijn> hackbard: ehr...domn't know how to fix it...
20:37 < armijn> hackbard: you online tomorrow?
20:38 < hackbard> maybe a bit later, but i think i will
20:38 < armijn> hackbard: what is a bit later?
20:38 < hackbard> well, early afternoon :)
20:38 < armijn> hackbard: ok...
20:38 < hackbard> 18 o clock :)
20:39 < armijn> hackbard: just start a build and I'll fix the "modules" stuff tomorrow, ok?
20:39 < hackbard> sure!
20:39 < hackbard> i hope download will finish while i am awake
20:39 < armijn> hehe
20:39 < hackbard> :)
20:39 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@linus.regehr.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:39 < hackbard> re olli !
20:39 < holyolli> re
20:39 < armijn> and just build "base", ok? no optional packages, no extensions
20:39 < hackbard> okay
20:40 < hackbard> i made alsa scripts for huebi, but he didnt merge them in his tree
20:40 < hackbard> still o9beta
20:40 < hackbard> s,o,0,
20:41 < armijn> hmm
20:42 < hackbard> well, i think it is not needed for sparc* anyways 
20:42 < hackbard> :)
20:42 < armijn> not yet
20:42 < armijn> sound isn't too well supported
20:43 < armijn> hehe, I could use you as a build monkey!
20:43 < armijn> great!
20:43 < hackbard> hehe :p
20:47 < rolla> how stable is mip support for rock ?
20:49 < armijn> mip?
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20:49 < rolla> SGI stuff
20:49 < armijn> ah, MIPS
20:49 < armijn> well, we're working on it
20:49 < rolla> :)
20:49 < armijn> but Linux on MIPS is not that advanced
20:49 < rolla> very true 
20:50 < rolla> I have old Challenge S that is needing something to due
20:50 < armijn> I don't think that one is supported
20:50 < armijn> you should check the Debian webpage
20:51 < rolla> it is same as indy just no graphics card
20:51 < armijn> hmm...
20:52 < armijn> well, check the debian webpage anyway
20:52 < armijn> because that's what you'd need to build ROCK in the first place, a working Linux install
20:52 < armijn> and so far, there's nothing but Debian that runs smoothly on MIPS
20:53 < rolla> true
20:53 < rolla> I am looking at it right now :)
20:54 < fake> wuahah
20:56 < armijn> rolla: but if you really want to do anything with mips, talk to mr. fake here
20:56 < armijn> >:->
20:56 < armijn> it's time to go home...
20:57 < rolla> nod
20:57 < armijn> I'm leaving, cu
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20:58 < bluefire> Hi
20:59 < holyolli> hi bluefire
21:14 < rolla> hey I finally captured my error
21:14 < rolla>  (core dumped) curl -w '\rFinished downloading %{size_download} bytes in %{time_total} seconds (%{speed_download} bytes/sec). \n' -f --progress-bar $resume $curl_options "$url" -o "$gzfile.incomplete"
21:14 < rolla> ERROR: CURL Returned Error 139. Please read the curl manpage.
21:14 < rolla> I keep getting this any idea what it is ?
21:15 < rolla> ./scripts/Download: line 141: 17148 Segmentation fault
21:19 < fake> rolla: Changellenge S?
21:19 < fake> Challenge
21:20 < rolla> yes
21:20 < fake> the only SGI you can actually install Linux on without having to feel sorry too much is the Indy with the 8 bit graphics
21:20 < fake> everything else is still a playground
21:20 < rolla> hmm this is same hardware just no graphics card
21:21 < fake> what processor?
21:21 < rolla> not sure
21:22 < fake> wait a sec.
21:22 < rolla> it is at home
21:22 < holyolli> esden?
21:23 < rolla> 200MHz R4400SC processor w/1MB Secondary Cache
21:24 < fake> hm... sweet.
21:24 < rolla> yeah it has a 2G disk in it and a serial terminal to control it
21:25 < fake> the serial terminal is shipped with it?
21:25 < rolla> no it is just what I had laying around to hook up to it
21:25 < rolla> it is running some old version of IRIX right now
21:26 < rolla> I also had a Indy but I gave it away sometime ago
21:27 < fake> the WD33C95-based SCSI adaptor (there are 2 in there?) is not supported
21:27 < fake> but the rest should be.
21:28 < esden> re hi all
21:28 < fake> would make a nice server
21:28 < esden> holyolli: ja!!
21:28 < rolla> ja
21:28 < esden> ??
21:28 < rolla> so no external scsi devices would work ?
21:28 < fake> rolla> would mind sending it to me so i can compile rocklinux 100% faster?
21:29 < holyolli> esden: hast du noch das Create-CD-script mit dem alpha-patch?
21:29 < huebi> Moep! Hi!
21:29 < holyolli> huhu huebi :))
21:29 < esden> holyolli: nope ... ich habe von dir keine sourcen bekommen ... oder doch ?
21:29 < fake> hi huebi !
21:29 < esden> wenn dann ist es auf der cd von dir ...
21:29 < holyolli> hm. schau mal nach. vieleicht auch auf der cd. (ansonsten muss ich die nochmal basteln =)
21:29 < fake> esden: danke fuer die torte!
21:30 < holyolli> <-- da waren die finger mal wieder schneller als das gehirn.. ;-)
21:30 < rolla> you have a serial terminal for it ?
21:30 < esden> fake: bitte ich habe mir muehe gegeben ... wenn ich dir schon nicht essen als solches schicken kann :-(
21:30 < fake> rolla: not exactly. i have minicom ;)
21:31 < rolla> okay 
21:31 < esden> muhh huebi 
21:31 < rolla> shipping would suck from US to europe ;)
21:31 (Users #rocklinux)
21:31 [ aszlig    ] [ esden] [ fronti  ] [ netcrow] [ simon    ] [ th      ] 
21:31 [ blindcoder] [ fake ] [ hack^afk] [ praenti] [ SMP      ] [ the][owl] 
21:31 [ bluefire  ] [ Freak] [ holyolli] [ rolla  ] [ snyke    ] 
21:31 [ chrisime  ] [ freed] [ huebi   ] [ rxr    ] [ term_aweh] 
21:31 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 22 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 22 normal]
21:32 < fake> *arghl* i knew it.
21:32 < rolla> what
21:32 < esden> [21:31] -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 22 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 22 normal]
21:32 < esden> krass
21:32 < esden> it becomes more and more ...
21:32 < esden> cool stuff
21:33 < fake> rolla: that i will have to keep using this ... pretty slow indigo2
21:33 < rolla> fake you in DE ja ?
21:33 < fake> ? hatte ich nicht mal +v ?
21:33 < fake> rolla: j0.
21:33 < fake> sischer
21:33 < fake> ;)
21:33 < rolla> you want it I can still ship it to you 
21:33 < rolla> I love work shipping department :)
21:34 < fake> o_O where do you work?
21:34 < rolla> EDS
21:34 < fake> ?
21:34 < rolla> www.eds.com
21:34 < fake> three-letter-organisation ... uh-oh
21:34 < rolla> big stupied american company
21:34 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o esden] by ChanServ
21:34 < huebi> fake: EDS = GM Company. 
21:35 < rolla> ja
21:35 < rolla> no wait
21:35 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+v fake] by esden
21:35 <+fake> what do I have to read there.... on the first page...
21:35 < rolla> GM = General motors ?
21:35 -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o esden] by esden
21:35 <+fake> Gerhard Schroeder....
21:35 < netcrow> +v = +vollidiot ;-)
21:35 < esden> rofl
21:36 <+fake> ?
21:36 <+fake> so war das nicht gememint, war nur curious.
21:36 < huebi> Also here in Ruesselsheim. EDS offered my a Cray in 1998 for nothing. Cooling tube diametre 180mm! I had to get it as a whole if I wanted it . ;-)
21:37 < huebi> But I didn't
21:37 < huebi> hehe
21:37 < huebi> rolla: Yes GM = General Motors
21:37 < rolla> oh they no longer own EDS 
21:37 < rolla> EDS is it's own company they just do a lot work for them
21:37 < term_aweh> n8
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21:38 < huebi> rolla: I did not take much attention on EDS in the last time...
21:38 <+fake> huebi: why didn't you get ir?
21:39 < huebi> fake: Tons of ugly junk. The Cray was only the case. The good living parts went back to Cray...
21:40 < esden> fake: what are you getting from rolla ??? o_O
21:43 <+fake> esden: if the powersupply permits it i may get a Challenge S from SGI *jumps around*
21:43 < huebi> fake: Your powersupply at home?
21:45 <+fake> huebi: the one built into the Challenge S
21:45 <+fake> i'll have a look at my indigo2's one
21:45 < huebi> fake: *Bahnhof* ?
21:45 < holyolli> *fg*
21:46 <+fake> huebi: 120... 230. ring a bell?
21:46 < huebi> 400? *gg*
21:48 -!- lizard [~lizard@pD9048578.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:48 < huebi> Where do I find how to change the mouse pointer in XFree86. Some times the small black one gets loast here at 4800x1200. Ant Ideas?
21:48 < holyolli> 4800x1200?!??!
21:48 < huebi> holyolli: ACK
21:48 < holyolli> huebi: xinerama?
21:49 <+fake> huebi: use xeyes
21:49 < huebi> 3x 1600x1200 ;-)))
21:49 < holyolli> huebi: args!
21:49 < chrisime> esden: hoi
21:49 <+fake> xeyes on the bottom of the center screen
21:50 < huebi> fake: They are looking at me!
21:50 < holyolli> huebi: btw. are there any points to have a look on when installing lvm?
21:50 <+fake> huebi: in the device section of any video card say Option "SWCursor" "true"
21:51 <+fake> (guess)
21:51 * fake cooking....
21:51 < huebi> holyolli: take the newest one 1.0.4! And no software RAID below LVM!
21:51 < holyolli> huebi: *hm*
21:52 < holyolli> huebi: how would you make it with 3 hdds (each 36gb)? raid or lvm?
21:52 < huebi> holyolli: And have the Phone # of Heinz handy *g*
21:52 < holyolli> mh?
21:52 < holyolli> <-- doesn't find the joke! ;-)
21:53 < huebi> holyolli: Heinz Mauelshagen. The developer of LVM.
21:54 < holyolli> ah *g*
21:54 < huebi> vgcfgbackup ...
21:55 < huebi> If you want speed: RAID-0. But first look with scsiinfo at the disks. Not too much manufacturer defects and absolutly no grown defects!
21:56 < huebi> If you want flexibility in partitioning: LVM
21:56 < huebi> LVM with striping is also a very good idea.
21:57 < holyolli> is a "lvm stripe" similar to raid-striping?
21:57 < huebi> SMP has made many things with LVM on world. 
21:57 < huebi> holyolli: LVM stipe is simirar to raid-striping
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22:03 < holyolli> greetings from tina to all
22:03 < huebi> holyolli: und zurueck ;-)))
22:18 -!- d3mian [~death@208.165.55.137] has joined #rocklinux
22:18 < holyolli> hi d3mian
22:19 < d3mian> hi all!
22:19 < huebi> hi d3mian \
22:20 < lizard> re d3mian 
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22:38 < lizard> re d3m|an, once again ;-)
22:38 < d3m|an> hehe, sure ;) thanx
22:42 < esden> n8
22:43 -!- Netsplit card.openprojects.net <-> irc.openprojects.net quits: rolla, praenti, fronti, netcrow, huebi, Freak, chrisime, simon, lizard, blindcoder,  (+8 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them)
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22:47 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9E11A30.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:47 < d3m|an> hi tsa
22:47 < tsa> moin.
22:47 < tsa> hi d3m|an
22:47 < huebi> hi tsa 
22:48 < tsa> hi huebi
22:48 < d3m|an> umm
22:49 < d3m|an> im tryng to burn with my new cdwriter on rock, but i have probs when recognizing the location of the cdrw
22:49 < tsa> using cdrecord?
22:49 < d3m|an> i could load the ide-scsi on the drive, but i cant use cdrecord -scanbus, /dev/pg* no such file..
22:49 < d3m|an> yes
22:50 < holyolli> huhu tsa
22:50 < tsa> hi holyolli
22:50 < tsa> ah, i see.
22:50 < lizard> d3m|an !! i had this, too
22:50 < d3m|an> is devfs, what do i have to do?
22:50 < lizard> right, mom
22:50 -!- d3m|an is now known as d3mian
22:50 < tsa> d3m|an: you'll need an MKOLDCOMPAT entry in your devfsd.conf
22:50 < tsa> i have a scsi burner, so you will have to change this
22:50 < d3mian> umm, ic, what's the right line?
22:50 < tsa> REGISTER ^scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0/generic  MKOLDCOMPAT
22:50 < tsa> UNREGISTER ^scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0/generic        RMOLDCOMPAT
22:51 < d3mian> oh ic :)
22:51 < lizard> urgs, i only did a "ln -sf ..."
22:51 < d3mian> thanx a lot tsa :)
22:51 < tsa> d3mian: no problem
22:52 < tsa> lizard: i guess that will work, too....but i like to solve the problem "the devfs way" ..
22:52 < tsa> it's the cleaner solution, IMHO..
22:52 < lizard> heh yeah.  i'm too stupid to RTFM
22:53 < d3mian> nobody is stupid to read a manual, you just need know to read and interest :)
22:54 < lizard> i was rather interested in burning on my brothers cd-writer as fast as possible
22:54 <+fake> ugh
22:55 <+fake> moderated channels suck
22:55 <+fake> ;-)
22:55 < tsa> hehe
22:55 < tsa> hi fake
22:55 < holyolli> hm
22:55 < holyolli> root@snoopy:~# su - holyolli
22:55 < holyolli> Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied
22:55 < holyolli>  
22:55 < huebi> cdrecord -v dev=/dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/generic fs=31M speed=32 -eject rock-intel-i686-base+opt-1.5.16.iso <- the devfs way ;-)
22:55 < tsa> fake: this mostly depends on what you have to say..
22:55 < holyolli> any ideas?
22:56 < tsa> holyolli: ltrace.
22:56 < huebi> holyolli: look in /etc/init.d for scripts not mod +x
22:56 < tsa> huebi: hm?
22:56 < holyolli> huebi: ah ic
22:56 < d3mian> umm, cool huebi, i though "dev= " entry is just for binary number format: "dev=0,1,1", etc thanx too
22:56 < holyolli> huebi: this should be fixed in the installation scripts
22:57 < holyolli> (it is a fresh inst of 1.5.16-rc)
22:57 * huebi fixing the kernel build in 1.5.16
22:57 < tsa> huebi: aehm...hm....maybe the devfs way....but at least the way that needs the most typing..
22:57 < tsa> i'm lazy... 0,4,0 is much shorter
22:57 < huebi> tsa: bash completion ;->
22:57 < tsa> huebi: count for yourself..
22:57 < huebi> export HISTSIZE=1000000
22:57 < huebi> export HISTFILESIZE=1000000
22:58 < huebi> <- mor lazy ;-)
22:58 < huebi> +e
22:58 < tsa> hehe
22:58 < tsa> .oO( make .bash_history a named pipe and log everything in a mysql db )
22:58 < tsa> ;-)
22:58 < huebi> lol
22:59 <+fake> mirrored on our Oracle-Based Installation CD.
23:01 < huebi> *gg*
23:02 < tsa> hehe...or we could make a package providing /etc/skel/.bash_history, already filles with useful commands..
23:02 < tsa> s,filles,filled,
23:03 <+fake> like what? your porn sites? nooonoooooo
23:03 < tsa> hahaha.
23:04 < tsa> sure. surfing pr0n sites with lynx might be fun.
23:04 < huebi> a good collection of unreadable sed command lines with 100 or more characters...
23:04 < huebi> s/100/1000/
23:05 < tsa> #! /bin/sh
23:05 < tsa> ls | perl -e 'while(<STDIN>){$name=$_; chomp $name; $newname=$name; $newname=~s/^(\d+)/\[$1\]/;print "mv \"$name\" \"$newname\"\n"}' | sh 
23:05 < huebi> inline assembler foe bash commands....
23:06 < tsa> just one of my endless mp3 renaming scripts..
23:06 < tsa> for i in *.mp3; do export TITLE=`echo $i|sed -e 's/\[..\]...//g;'| sed -e 's/\.mp3//g;'`; mp3info -t "$TITLE" "$i"; done
23:07 < huebi> and Mathilda must not be missing...
23:07 < tsa> hehe
23:07 < holyolli> hm.
23:08 < holyolli> does 1.5.16 have any problems with permissions on subdirs?
23:08 < holyolli> (huebi)
23:08 < huebi> holyolli: I don't have a bootable image. so I could not test that. but it looks good. 
23:09 < holyolli> huebi: does you have some minutes time for me?
23:09 < tsa> rock-alpha-bootable-1.5.16.iso
23:09 < huebi> I fixed many things since 1.5.15
23:09 < tsa> hm..
23:09 < huebi> holyolli: jo
23:10 < holyolli> huebi: -> MSG
23:14 -!- sockmonk [~wsheldahl@moose.qx.net] has joined #rocklinux
23:25 < tsa> hi sockmonk
23:29 < sockmonk> hi tsa
23:30 < sockmonk> did everyone enjoy Linuxtag?
23:30 < tsa> yes, sure.
23:30 < huebi> sockmonk: hi
23:30 < huebi> sockmonk: jo!
23:30 < sockmonk> hi huebi
23:30 < holyolli> sockmonk: jo
23:30 < sockmonk> jo?
23:31 < holyolli> "yeah"
23:31 < sockmonk> dutch for ja?
23:31 < holyolli> dutch? *g* no...just german slang ;)
23:31 < huebi> sockmonk: no german.
23:32 < huebi> sockmonk: no german. Slang in the north. Near the Netherlands *g*
23:32 < sockmonk> I studied hochdeutsch in school a long time ago...
23:32 < huebi> sockmonk: kool!
23:32 < sockmonk> I like trying to catch on to "real" German here
23:34 <+fake> Mein Herr, seid mir gegruesst!
23:34 <+fake> Es erfuellt mein Herz stets mit tiefster Freude, deutschlernende anzutreffen!
23:34 < sockmonk> fake: genau!
23:35 <+fake> sockmonk, ihr verwundert mich, seid ihr gar aus einem anderen Lande?
23:35 < holyolli> fake: opfer! ;-)
23:36 < sockmonk> fake: ich wohne im USA
23:36 < huebi> sockmonk: fakes stile of german was very modern at least 150 years ago
23:37 < sockmonk> huebi: around Goethe's time or so?
23:37 < huebi> very polite
23:37 < huebi> sockmonk: exact
23:37 <+fake> Verzeiht mein Herr, wenn ich so arg neugierig werde, doch aus welche Kolonie seid ihr alsdann?
23:37 <+fake> s/welche/welcher/
23:38 < sockmonk> Kentucky
23:38 < sockmonk> although Kentucky was never a colony
23:38 <+fake> Ich habe nie von einer Kolonie mit Namen Kentucky gehoert... ist sie britisch?
23:38 < sockmonk> argh.
23:38 <+fake> ;-)
23:40 * sockmonk goes back to lurking
23:40 < d3mian> when lxtag finish?
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23:41 < tomik> hi all 
23:41 < tsa> d3mian: yesterday..
23:42 < d3mian> ohh, hehe
23:51 < tsa> uh.
23:52 < tsa> just found out where alan cox went after linuxtag.
23:52 <+fake> where?
23:52 < tsa> he's already in japan.
23:52 < tsa> must be a hell of a trip.
23:52 <+fake> socker? not really??
23:52 < tsa> no, not soccer.
23:52 < tsa> linux stuff, as always.
23:53 < tsa> guess i don't want to change with him.
23:53 <+fake> Japan?
23:53 <+fake> i'd love to get to japan
23:54 < tsa> to get yourself some japanese chicks? ;-)
23:54 < tomik> :)
23:55 <+fake> tsa: you mix something up. i am not you. i don't have pr0n on my galeon start page ;)
23:56 < tsa> hahaha
23:56 < tsa> me neither
23:57 < tomik> or "i don't use galeon" ;P
23:58 <+fake> shall i go and htdig thorugh the irc-log?
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