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00:00 < tsa> tomik: hehe
00:01 < tsa> fake: you don't have to. and i already found out how it happened..
00:01 < tsa> those bookmarklets seem to be automagically collected.
00:02 <+fake> i know. if you browse a pr0n site often it gets bookmarked ;)
00:02 < tsa> seem so. since i don't browse porn sites, it probably was one of those damn popups from warez sites..
00:03 <+fake> oooof cooourseee.......
00:03 * fake just kiddin' around
00:03 < tsa> hehe....i know
00:03 <+fake> und ich geh etz in die heia.
00:03 < tsa> na denn nacht.
00:03 <+fake> morgen wieder scheiss suckendes fickendes ekliges PHP kotzen
00:03 < huebi> nacht fake ;-)
00:07 < the][owl> g8
00:07 < holyolli> n8 fake
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00:20 < holyolli> cya tomorrow
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00:38 < rxr> re
00:38 * rxr back in Berlin ;-)
00:42 < lizard> welcome back rxr, how was lxtag ?
00:44 < d3mian> wb rxr
00:44 < rxr> lizard: Hi!
00:44 < rxr> LinuxTag was really great!
00:44 < lizard> I saw some pictures 
00:44 < tsa> hi rxr
00:45 < rxr> I shaked the hands with Alan Cox and Tom Schwaller ;-)!
00:45 < rxr> tsa: hi!
00:45 < d3mian> cool :)
00:45 < rxr> tsa: In Bielefeld laufen aber seltsame Penner rum ...
00:45 < tsa> hehe
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00:45 < tsa> re holyolli
00:45 < holyolli> re
00:46 < rxr> ich musste nur 8 Minutes warten - aber waerenddessen hat so einer versucht stdaendig Bier vor mir zu bekommen ...
00:46 < holyolli> huebi?
00:46 < rxr> hi holyolli 
00:46 < holyolli> huhu rxr
00:46 < huebi> hi rxr 
00:46 < huebi> hi holyolli 
00:46 < tsa> rxr: mach mal bitte patches fuer jack und exim klar...ich will weiter builden.. ;)
00:46 < rxr> hi huebi ;-)
00:46 < holyolli> huebi: ich glaube, bei 1.5.16 sind noch ein paar grössere fehler...
00:46 < holyolli> I have no name!@snoopy:~$ id holyolli
00:46 < holyolli> id: holyolli: No such user
00:47 < holyolli>  
00:47 < rxr> tsa: Bin zwar erst vor 30 min angekommen - aber -> ACK ;-)
00:47 < tsa> ok..fein
00:47 < holyolli> der user ist angelegt und kann auf per ssh auf die kiste connecten
00:47 < tsa> holyolli: alpha?
00:47 < holyolli> tsa: ja. aber scripte sind eigendlich arch-unabhängig
00:47 < tsa> evtl ein problem des ports? "compilier" != "laeuft"
00:47 < holyolli> oder? ;-)
00:48 < holyolli> tsa: mit denselben scripten?
00:48 < tsa>  /usr/bin/id
00:48 < tsa>  ist  binary
00:48 < rxr> lizard: photos at: http://www.rocklinux.org/people/jocelyn/linuxtag02/linuxtag02.html
00:48 < holyolli> das wäre ein wenig seltsam
00:48 < tsa> holyolli: noe, nicht wirklich.
00:48 < tsa> was sagt ltrace?
00:49 < lizard> rxr: yeah, danke :)
00:49 < holyolli> ltrace: command not found
00:49 < holyolli> ;-)
00:49 < tsa> bitte?
00:49 < tsa> es gibt kein ltrace in 1.5.16?
00:49 < holyolli> doch. ltrace läuft nicht unter alpha
00:49 < holyolli> aber das problem ist ein anderes
00:50 < holyolli> das das ist mir auch unter intel schon passiert:
00:50 < tsa> ja. du hast kein ltrace, vermutlich auch kein strace und kannst nicht debuggen?
00:50 < holyolli> root@snoopy:~# cd /var/db/
00:50 < holyolli> root@snoopy:/var/db# ls
00:50 < holyolli> .  ..  Makefile
00:50 < holyolli> root@snoopy:/var/db# make
00:50 < holyolli> passwd... done.
00:50 < holyolli> group... done.
00:50 < holyolli> protocols... done.
00:50 < holyolli> rpc... idone.
00:50 < holyolli> services... d holyodone.
00:50 < holyolli> shadow... done.
00:50 < holyolli> root@snoopy:/var/db# id holyolli
00:50 < holyolli> uid=1000(holyolli) gid=100(users) groups=100(users)
00:50 < holyolli> root@snoopy:/var/db# 
00:50 < holyolli>  
00:50 < tsa> welche glibc?
00:50 < holyolli> strace ist mit drauf
00:50 < holyolli> (und tut auch)
00:50 < tsa>  /var/db/Makefile ist von glibc 2.1.x
00:51 < holyolli> glibc 2.2.5
00:51 < tsa> soviel dazu.
00:51 < holyolli> und warum tut es jetzt?
00:52 < holyolli> (und warumm trat _genau_ _derselbe_ fehler bei 1.5.x unter intel auf???)
00:52 < tsa> grep passwd /etc/nsswitch.conf
00:52 < holyolli> passwd:		db files
00:53 < tsa> sollte ok sein.
00:53 < tsa> dann nimm dir eben den strace vor.
00:53 < tsa> vergiss -f nicht.
00:54 < holyolli> und was soll ich mit strace vornehmen? passwd oder was?
00:54 < tsa> id
00:54 < huebi> n8
00:54 < holyolli> erm
00:54 < holyolli> id klappt jetzt
00:54 < holyolli> also daher kann man da den fehler auch nicht mehr finden
00:55 < tsa> aendere nsswitch.conf auf "files db"
00:56 < tsa> und schmeiss in /var/db die db-files weg.
00:56 < holyolli> hm.
00:57 < tsa> wenn es dann wieder kaputt ist, hat dein alpha-port ein glibc-problem und ich wuensche dir jetzt schon viel spass ;)
00:57 < holyolli> scheisse.
00:57 < tsa> und?
00:57 < holyolli> nein. nun klappt es problemlos
00:57 < tsa> nscd?
00:57 < holyolli> das einzige prob ist "nur" noch, dass die permissions unter /etc im arsch sind
00:57 < holyolli> also viel zu restriktiv
00:58 < holyolli> root@snoopy:/var/db# su - holyolli
00:58 < holyolli> I have no name!@snoopy:~$ 
00:58 < holyolli>  
00:58 < holyolli> (mal so als kleine kostprobe =)
00:58 < tsa> ls -l /etc/HOSTNAME
00:58 < holyolli> erm. ganz etc ist permissionmässig im argen
00:59 < fronti> moin
00:59 < holyolli> GNARF. durch die !"§$/&% permissions ist auch passwd nicht mehr lesbar
00:59 < rxr> tsa: jack fixed
00:59 < rxr> == 06/11/02 00:59:22 =[9]=> Finished building package jack.
00:59 < tsa> rxr: fein. patch bitte auch per mail an mich.
01:00 < rxr> jups wenn ich exim auch gefixt habe gehen die raus ...
01:01 < tsa> ok.
01:02 < rxr> tsa: prinzipjell tut exim build hier - ausser das exim laeuft und ich deshalb: > cp: cannot create regular file `/usr/bin/exim-4.04-1': Text file busy bekomme
01:02 * tsa sieht lauter cvs-directories in den alpha-packages..
01:02 < rxr> vielleicht ein make -jX (X > 1) prob ?
01:02 < holyolli> ja..?
01:03 < tsa> holyolli: wieso wird das cvs-krams mit ins binary-packages gepackt? das ist doch kaese..
01:03 < holyolli> liegt an den build-scripten, die kopieren einfach alles...
01:04 < tsa> rxr: 
01:04 < d3mian> nice pics about lxtag, is there a summary about stuff made in lxtag? 
01:04 < tsa> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `pcre/libpcre.a', needed by `exim'.  Stop.
01:04 < tsa> make[1]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
01:04 < tsa> make[2]: Entering directory `/R.src/exim-4.04/build-Linux-i386/auths'
01:04 < tsa> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `../config.h', needed by `b64encode.o'.  Sto
01:04 < tsa> p.
01:04 < tsa> make[2]: Leaving directory `/R.src/exim-4.04/build-Linux-i386/auths'
01:05 < tsa> ich teste mal -j1
01:05 < rxr> tsa: jups :;-)
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01:07 < rxr> d3mian: http://www.rocklinux.org/mailing-list/rock-linux/2002-6/17.html
01:07 < hack^afk> n8
01:07 < tsa> cu hack^afk
01:07 < tsa> == 06/11/02 01:07:29 =[3]=> Finished building package exim.
01:07 < tsa> make problem.
01:07 < rxr> ok
01:07 < rxr> ich sende die patches zu cliff ...
01:09 < tsa> ok.
01:09 < tsa> ich baue dann weiter, wenn ich den jack-fix habe
01:09 < tsa> und nun erstmal pennen.
01:09 < tsa> n8 *
01:10 < rxr> cu tsa 
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01:10 < rxr> der jack fix ist aber simpel
01:10 < rxr> ah ok - dann spaeter ...
01:11 < d3mian> thx rxr
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01:22 < d3mian> install shell will be implemented on scripting?
01:41 < rxr> d3mian: yes - this was cliff's idea. I'm not sure if this will work that great .... 
01:42 < d3mian> umm, ok, i hope
01:43 < d3mian> i was seeing a c designed web browser, named dillo, it's is a light graphic browser
01:43 < d3mian> it is on sourceforge if some of you want to see it
01:44 < lizard> d3mian: url?
01:44 < d3mian> umm, you could search @ sourceforge
01:44 < d3mian> :)
01:44 < d3mian> im a bit busy
01:48 * lizard taking a  look at 
01:48 < lizard> [01:10] < rxr> cu tsa 
01:49 < lizard> huch
01:49 < lizard> fuck  cut&paste
01:49 < lizard> http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/dillo/dillo-0.6.4.tar.gz
01:49 < d3mian> this browser is simple, it doesnt use gtk
01:49 < d3mian> just C
01:51 < rxr> ^- the last two lined dunno make sense ...
01:53 < d3mian> what da you mean rene?
01:53 < d3mian> umm, is doesnt work with frames
01:53 < d3mian> s/is/it
01:53 < rxr> it uses Gtk. And unlike C, Gtk+ is not a programming language ...
01:53 < lizard> sorry, rxr. gdm's  fault :/
01:54 < d3mian> http://parana.ic-itcr.ac.cr/~jonvargas/dilo1.jpg
01:54 < rxr> and C is not a garuantee to produce fast and small binaries ...
01:55 < rxr> Forbidden
01:55 < lizard> but it may be a good  reference for browser design
01:55 < d3mian> http://dillo.cipsga.org.br/
01:55 < lizard> forbidden?
01:55 < lizard> strange
01:55 < rxr> Dillo is mainly based on GTK+ (GNOME is NOT required!)
01:55 * lizard taking a look
01:56 < d3mian> mom
01:56 < rxr> "reference" - I guess not ...
01:56 < rxr> But no new flame-war again ...
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01:57 < rxr> Add support for frames 
01:57 < rxr> *lol*
01:57 < d3mian> maybe
01:58 * rxr closing Konqui - which displayed the dillo site ...
01:58 < d3mian> umm, the apache is not wrking here :(
02:05 < d3mian> http://www.hackdaworld.dyndns.org/~demian/dilo1.jpg
02:05 < d3mian> http://www.hackdaworld.dyndns.org/~demian/dilo2.jpg
02:07 < d3mian> hehe, dilo2.jpg was wrong
02:08 < fronti> d3mian: or you want to post a xv screen :)
02:08 < tomik> ah well
02:08 < tomik> dildo project .) 
02:09 < lizard> lol
02:10 < d3mian> http://www.hackdaworld.dyndns.org/~demian/dilo2.jpg -> updated ;)
02:11 < fronti> d3mian: ok, better and it look nice
02:12 < d3mian> no frame-support
02:12 < d3mian> so, this is bad, try any frame site
02:13 < d3mian> the tools bars could be floating, away from browser window
02:13 < tomik> <h2>stupid error: frames are not supported, falling back to links</h2>
02:15 < d3mian> *g
02:15 < rxr> n8
02:15 < d3mian> cu rxr
02:19 < fronti> n8 rxr 
02:24 < d3mian> nahh, i'll wait for a more improved dillo package (with frame support), i still with galeon
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07:37 < huebi> moin
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09:42 < huebi> Moep!
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09:59 < [anders]> re
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10:03 < holyolli> re
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10:06 < hackbard> moin
10:06 < holyolli> moin hackbard
10:07 < hackbard> hi olli ;)
10:12 < huebi> moin @ all
10:12 < huebi> ;-)
10:13 < huebi> Today I'm going to copy the linux and linux-src from drock to 1.5.16. Then I just have to add the sparc64 stuff.
10:13 < holyolli> moin huebi! :)
10:14 < holyolli> huebi: yesterday i had some more big problems with 1.5.16 on alpha :(
10:14 < huebi> Yesterday I did not get a kernel with aic7xxx and sym53c8xx in the kernel.
10:14 < huebi> moin holyolli 
10:15 < huebi> holyolli: yes I read the log ;-)
10:15 < holyolli> *g*
10:16 < holyolli> did you encounter similar problems on other machines?
10:16 < huebi> holyolli: no I didn't
10:16 < holyolli> strange.
10:18 < huebi> I still have to get a working new image. After that I have to fix some more CVS directories copied to the Rocklinux system.
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10:22 < tsa> hi.
10:23 < holyolli> moin tsa
10:25 < tsa> hi holyolli
10:42 < huebi> hi tsa ;-)
10:42 < tsa> hi huebi
10:42 * huebi muss erst mal in den Keller. Wieder Kaputte Hardware ;(
10:43 < tsa> hm...
10:50 < SMP> Moin
10:50 < holyolli> moin smp
10:50 < tsa> hi SMP
10:55 < huebi> hi SMP ;-)
11:00 < tsa> == 06/11/02 11:00:28 =[3]=> Aborted building package jack.
11:00 < tsa> GRRR
11:01 < holyolli> who is jack?
11:01 < tsa> [I] audio connection kit
11:02 < tsa> rxr: dein jack-fix ist broken.
11:02 < tsa> lkjsehfkjsdfhkjdsfhdskjhfsdkj
11:02 < tsa> -[C] library/sound
11:02 < tsa> +[C] libraries/sound
11:03 < tsa> ARGH!
11:03 < tsa> komischer patch. kein wunder..
11:21 < huebi> 18833 ?        D      0:00  \_ insmod sym53c8xx
11:21 < huebi> Alles gut macht der Reboot
11:21 < huebi> brb
11:23 < holyolli> gute idee.. ;-)
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11:35 < holyolli> moin fake
11:35 < fake> hm...
11:35 < fake> morgen!
11:39 < tsa> moin fake
11:39 < fake> ohayo, mina!
11:42 < tsa> holyolli: kauf dir nen maintainer fuer dein handle.
11:42 < tsa> holyolli: sonst isses bald wech..
11:50 < fake> handle?
11:50 < fake> nick
11:50 < fake> oder?
11:52 < tsa> ripe.
11:52 < tsa> wir hatten holyolli's ripe-handle geklaut..
11:53 < fake> axo.
12:22 < tsa> *gaehn*
12:22 < holyolli> tsa: müde?
12:25 < tsa> nicht wirklich...
12:25 < tsa> aber ne woche schlafen waer schon ok, irgendwie..
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12:26 < holyolli> hi freak
12:26 < rxr> re
12:27 < fake> re
12:28 < Freak> rxr!
12:28 < Freak> alle!
12:28 < Freak> :)
12:28 < Freak> rxr: na, gut angekommen..?
12:29 < Freak> (/me is der typ mit dem fotoapparat & der Frage bzgl. Code-Patches während des Vortrags .. ;)
12:29 < rxr> hi Freak! 
12:29 < tsa> hi Freak
12:29 < tsa> re rxr
12:29 < Freak> (:
12:29 < rxr> tsa 2 mails just out ....
12:29 < tsa> dein jack-patch ist ja nur ein austausch von [C] ..
12:29 < tsa> ah.
12:30 < Freak> und sobald ick rausgefunden hab wie Apache::Gallery zum Laufen zu bewegen is, gibts die bilder.. versprochen ;)
12:30 < rxr> jups - damit kompiliert es hier auch - ist noch ein gtk/gnome problem ... - fixe ich nachdem ich an der FH war.
12:30 < rxr> Freak: schoen!
12:30 < Freak> (nur für den Fall dass es dich interessiert)
12:31 < tsa> rxr: bau das --enable-optimize mal ruhig ein..
12:31 < rxr> Freak: sorry der Vortrag war ein wenig unsortiert - weil wir erst einen Tag vorher bescheit bekommen haben, dass wir etwas Vortragen duerfen ...
12:31 < Freak> wieso.. ich fand ihn interessant
12:31 < rxr> Freak: ah - gut ;-)
12:32 < Freak> du hattest zwar versucht, mir das am Freitagabend(?) zu erklären, kapiert hab ich das aber nicht wirklich..
12:32 < Freak> der Vortrag war sehr aufschlussreich
12:33 * rxr muss mal zur FH ... cu
12:34 < Freak> das mit dem nicht-kapieren lag aber hauptsächlich an der vielen jolt und dem wenigen schlaf..
12:34 < Freak> jo cya
12:35 < rxr> ;-) ok bis denn
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12:52 < uninvited> Moinsen !
12:52 < holyolli> hi uninvited
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13:09 < tsa> hi bwocian
13:10 < bwocian> hello
13:11 < holyolli> hi bwocian
13:12 < bwocian> I use rock 1.4.0
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13:23 < uninvited> test
13:24 < tsa> durchgefallen.-
13:24 < tsa> ;)
13:30 < uninvited> Sagt mal: ich hab zwei HDDs. Auf der ersten gibts 2 Partitionen (NTFS/NTFS) und auf der zweiten hab ich eben 2 Partitionen (EXT2/SWAP) erstellt. Wenn ich versuche die EXT2 nach /trg zu mounten bekomme ich eine FM: fs NTFS not supported by kernel. Was kann ich da machen ?
13:30 < tsa> das richtige device nehmen? ;)
13:30 < hackbard> achwas, gleich mke2fs ... ;)
13:30 < hackbard> re
13:30 < tsa> re hack
13:30 < tsa> bard
13:30 < tsa> jo, das auch.
13:31 < hackbard> und, seit ihr alle gut heimgekommen ?
13:31 < tsa> was soll ich auch mit ntfs..
13:31 < tsa> sicher...
13:31 < uninvited> mount /dev/discs/disc1/part1 /trg
13:31 < uninvited> naja, was du damit sollst weiss ich nicht. Ich wills gerne weiterbenutzen.
13:31 < uninvited> *G*
13:31 < tsa> uninvited: fdisk -l /dev/discs/disc1/disc
13:32 < uninvited> was macht fdisk -l /dev/discs/disc1/disc ?
13:32 < tsa> partitionstabelle der platte anzeigen
13:33 < uninvited> partition 1 1 - x LINUX
13:33 < uninvited> partition 2 x - y LINUX
13:33 < uninvited> beide Typ83
13:34 < fronti> re
13:34 < fake> eine sollte doch 82 sein? swap?
13:34 < uninvited> Stimmt.
13:34 < uninvited> Moment ich check mal.
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13:35 < tsa> danach: file -s /dev/discs/disc1/part1
13:36 < uninvited> was macht file -s ?
13:37 < fake> 's mir auch unbekannt
13:37 < snyke> hi 
13:37 < SMP> man file ?
13:38 < uninvited> smp> man file ohne installierte manpages ?
13:38 < fake> file - determine file type
13:38 < hackbard> aber wozu? alles durchchecken und am ende doch neues fs anlegenb?
13:38 < hackbard> *wunder
13:39 < hackbard> mach halt gleich mke2fs ..
13:39 < uninvited> mke2fs auf was ? part1 ?
13:39 < uninvited> Hab ich eben gemacht.
13:39 < SMP> Specifying the -s option causes file to also
13:39 < SMP>                read  argument files which are block or character special files.
13:39 < SMP>                This is useful for determining the filesystem types of the  data
13:39 < SMP>                in  raw  disk  partitions,  which are block special files.
13:40 < fake>  This option also causes file to disregard
13:40 < uninvited> smp> danke.
13:40 < fake>  the file size as reported by stat(2) since on some
13:40 < fake> systems it reports a zero size for raw disk parti-
13:40 < fake> tions.
13:40 < uninvited> kann file nicht ausfuehren, weil  neuinstallation
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13:41 < fake> re rolla__ !
13:45 < tsa> *seufz*
13:46 < tsa> uninvited:  find /dev -name part? |xargs mke2fs
13:46 < tsa> ;)
13:53 < th> re
13:54 < tsa> hi th
13:55 * uninvited working
13:57 < tsa> have fun ;)
13:57 * tsa "working", too.
13:57 < tsa> (surfing, playing online chess, ..)
13:57 < tsa> ;-)
13:59 < fake> jaja...
13:59 < holyolli> tsa: du spielst schach...soso ;)
14:05 < hackbard> tsa: was besagt moores gesetz?
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14:24 < th> moor? war das nicht TI?
14:24 < hackbard> weiss ni ;)
14:27 < tsa> hackbard: ich bin kein professioneller schachspieler...uns war bloss langweilig, weil heute irgendwie gar nichts los ist...
14:28 < huebi> 13:30 < uninvited> Sagt mal: ich hab zwei HDDs. Auf der ersten gibts 2 Partitionen (NTFS/NTFS) [...] ignorieren! oder dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/2.platte count=5000
14:29 < hackbard> huebi: ein -t ext2 beim mount hat auch geholfen :)
14:29 < hackbard> tsa: ?
14:30 < hackbard> tsa: das steht in deiner ausfuehrung, asynchr. implementierung eines mic proz auf einem fpga :))
14:30 < huebi> uninvited: die metadaten von ntfs werden noch erkannt. danach dann neu partitionieren. Fehler ist dann weg. Kenne ich auch bei Ex-NT-Rechnern
14:31 < huebi> Moor'sches Gesetz: Alle 2 Jahre verdoppelt sich die Rechnerleistung (oder alle 18 Monate?) IIRC
14:33 < fake> 18 monate, meine ich
14:33 < hackbard> ah
14:34 < hackbard> die beweisfuehrung wuerde mich interessieren ..
14:34 < SMP> hackbard: man glotzt einfach den passenden Graphen an
14:35 < hackbard> ic
14:36 < th> beweis am beispiel sozusagen ;)
14:36 < hackbard> jo, empirisch gefunden sozusagen - und eigentlich viel weniger, denn wer sagt dass das so linear weiter ghet inner zukunft 
14:36 < th> linear?
14:37 < hackbard> bei logarithmischer auftragung :))
14:37 < th> hehe
14:37 < th> bei der richtigen auftragung is doch alles linear ;)
14:37 < hackbard> hehe, stimmt
14:38 < th> also geht es auch auf jeden fall linear weiter.
14:38 < th> die auftragung koennte sich natuerlich aendern ;)
14:39 < hackbard> *lol*
14:39 < fake> *ll*
14:39 < fake> +o
14:42 < huebi> "Funktion ist rauchgebunden. Ist der Rauch 'raus funktioniert's nicht mehr." - Beispiel Zigaretten und CPU's. Laesst sich beliebig erweitern. ;-)
14:49 < tsa> soo...erstmal pizza in den ofen schieben
14:49 < fake> *grml*
14:49 < huebi> tsa: aber nicht den Rauch rauslassen *g*
14:51 < tsa> hehe.. ok
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14:59 < tsa> huebi: wieviel rauch ist in dir denn so drin? ;-)
14:59 < tsa> oder ist der etwa schon alle? ;)
15:00 < huebi> tsa: Weiss ich nicht. Allgemeine Untersuchungsergebnisse kannst du aber bestimmt im oertlichen Krematorium nachfragen ;-)
15:00 < uninvited> *LOL*
15:01 < tsa> hehe.
15:01 < huebi> 104kg - 3 Handvoll Asche. Also ca 103kg
15:01 < tsa> "Die untersuchte Probe "huebi" besteht zu 95% aus Teer und Nikotin zu gleichen Teilen.." ;-)
15:02 < uninvited> ...biologisch schwer abbaubar...
15:02 < tsa> Sondermuell? ;)
15:02 < uninvited> har har har
15:03 < huebi> "Das hinzufuegen von Oxidatoren im stoechiometrisch richtigen Verhaeltnis hat zu einem schlagartigen Verschwinden des Probanden gefuehrt."
15:03 < uninvited> huebi> was hat es eigentlich mit dem count=5000 auf sich. Ist das ein zufällig von dir ausgewählter Wert ?
15:04 < huebi> uninvited: Einfach die ersten paar MB der Platte ueberschreiben. 24548 <- Das ist der richtige und einzig wahre Zufallswert.
15:04 < huebi> 357365
15:04 < huebi> 3574
15:05 < uninvited> ich habs mit 42 versucht aber nix passierte.
15:05 < huebi> uninvited: das sind nur 21k. das ist zu wenig.
15:05 < uninvited> argh
15:05 < uninvited> ;-)
15:06 < huebi> uninvited: Du verlierst dann aber definitiv dein Dateisystem!
15:06 < uninvited> weiss ich. Ich hab das ganze nochmal versucht mit einer 1.4 Rock. Damit gabs das Problem nicht.
15:07 < uninvited> Lediglich die 1.5.14 brachte diese FM
15:07 < huebi> mount ist dort neuer.
15:08 < uninvited> Aha. Auf der Platte WAR mal ein NTFS drauf weil ich die als Puffer fuer W2K benutzt habe.
15:08 < huebi> jo!
15:08 < huebi> und mount erkennt die meta-daten von eNTe
15:08 < uninvited> Aber das habe ich inzwischen etliche Mal mit anderen Dateisystemen benutzt: linux, Fat32, FreeBSD slices, etc etc
15:08 < uninvited> Irgendwie komisch.
15:09 < uninvited> Naja, wat solls.
15:09 < uninvited> Hoffentlich krieg ich das mit lilo noch hin ;-)
15:09 < uninvited> Ansonsten...ARGH !
15:13 < uninvited> Oh Manno. Wenn ich das schon höre: weak password...mann mann mann...
15:13 < tsa> hehe
15:14 < uninvited> Was soll ich benutzen: motherfuckingkiwibastard, oder muss das noch länger sein ?
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15:14 < huebi> khsadgl;kajsh;lkiub'[0q9438hb6\]
15:14 < huebi> iyre 
15:14 < huebi> uninvited: the first one.
15:15 < uninvited> huebi> hast du Haustiere ?
15:15 < uninvited> ;-)
15:15 < uninvited> (ausser der Kuh)
15:15 < tsa> ja - rechner ;)
15:15 < tsa> hehe
15:15 < huebi> hehe
15:18 < uninvited> Ist heute wieder WM-Tag, Deutschlandspiel ?
15:19 < huebi> uninvited: Jo. Kamerun
15:19 < uninvited> Unser Nachbar zieht gerade die weissblaue Bayernfahne den Mast hoch.
15:19 < uninvited> Wann spielen die ?
15:19 < hackbard> atm
15:19 < hackbard> 2:0
15:19 < uninvited> oh.
15:19 < uninvited> fuer DE ?
15:19 < hackbard> jor
15:19 * uninvited is away: FREIBIER SCHNORREN !
15:20 < hackbard> *lol*
15:20 < fake> soccer sucks.
15:21 < hackbard> auf alle!
15:21 * SMP ACKs fake
15:22 < tsa> yes!
15:23 < tsa> 22 leute pruegeln sich um ein stueck aufgeblasene kuh..
15:23 < tsa> was will man da erwarten? ;)
15:23 < huebi> Sports w/o engine sucks
15:23 < uninvited> Sodala.
15:23 < uninvited> Tatsächlich Freibier.
15:23 < uninvited> Aber die sind alle schon rasselnass.
15:23 < huebi> tsa: Das Mathilde die Traenen in die Augen schiessen.
15:24 < tsa> tjo.
15:24 < tsa> indeed.
15:24 < huebi> s/e/a/
15:30 < uninvited> ?
15:30 < uninvited> s/e/a ?
15:30 < huebi> s/Mathilde/Mathilda/
15:31 < uninvited> *kopfschuettel*
15:36 < tsa> man sed(8)
15:36 < esden> hi all
15:37 < esden> ahh dass war ein tolles spiel
15:37 < huebi> MoeP! esden 
15:37 < esden> ich habe nicht gedacht dass fussball spannend sein kann ...
15:37 < esden> remoep huebi
15:39 < huebi> esden: Fussball _ist_ spannend. Aber seit dem Schusswaffen vorher beim Schiedsrichter angemeldet werden muessen, ist da irgendwie die Luft raus.
15:40 < uninvited> Also ich spiel lieber M.U.D.S.
15:40 < uninvited> Die Flonks sind einfach besser und knuffiger als diese runden Bälle
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15:45 < esden> huebi: ack ;-)
15:46 < esden> huebi: aber ich fand dass dass spiel trotzdem brutal war ...
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15:55 < flash_gordon> a
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16:01 < uninvited> sodala
16:05 < huebi> Wieder ein RedHat durch Rocklinux ersetzt. hehe
16:05 < blindcoder> brav huebi ;)
16:05 < huebi> ersetzen lassen... ;-)
16:05 < blindcoder> noch besser
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16:06 < armijn> re
16:07 < uninvited> Hiya armijn.
16:07 < armijn> hi
16:07 < uninvited> huebi> Wie bekommt man die Leute dazu so etwas zu machen ?
16:08 < armijn> hey, never knew this channel was localized...
16:09 < huebi> uninvited: Just show them the power of ROCK and they will change fron RedHat to ROCK ;-)))
16:09 < th> armijn: have you set /mode LANG en?
16:09 < uninvited> <BABELFISH> How did you get ppl replacing Red Hat with Rock Linux, huebi </BABELFISH>
16:09 < uninvited> huebi> i see. thought there was a reason more extraordinary !
16:09 < armijn> that's pretty close to the babelfish translation...
16:10 * huebi dreams about a babelfish/aspell plugin for irssi.....
16:11 < armijn> aah
16:11 < armijn> huebi: about the linux/modules problem
16:12 < armijn> no need to replace it, I found the problem
16:12 < huebi> uninvited: No. Redhat is to bloated with features for serious use.
16:12 < huebi> armijn: kool. What is it?
16:13 < armijn> huebi: well, in modules.conf, before you do "make dep" (and after "make clean") there should be a "make symlinks"
16:13 < armijn> there's this line that says:
16:13 < armijn> make $ARCH clean dep modules (or so)
16:13 < armijn> between clean and dep there should be "symlinks"
16:13 < huebi> ok
16:13 < armijn> it's only needed for sparc/ultrasparc
16:14 < armijn> because the kernel compile for sparc/ultrasparc first compiles a program to make an additional header file, which it expects to store in asm/, so we need to do a "make symlinks" first :)
16:14 < uninvited> huebi> RedHat and SuSE then show many similarities... ;-)
16:15 < th> they just differ in the colors...
16:15 < th> it's red vs. green.
16:15 < th> and i don't know which is worse
16:15 < huebi> SuXe
16:15 < fake> rathead
16:15 < armijn> dead rat
16:15 < armijn> craphat
16:16 < th> rathat
16:16 < uninvited> redhead ;-)
16:16 < th> hehe
16:18 < rxr> re
16:19 < armijn> huebi: so I suggest you restore "modules" for now
16:19 < armijn> hackbard: alive?
16:20 < huebi> armijn: I want to have all the binaries of the kernel in one packet. I fix that in the moment.
16:21 < th> huebi: do we have webcvs already?
16:21 < huebi>         echo "Create symlinks and a few headers for arch <$lx_cpu> ... "
16:21 < huebi>         make ARCH=$lx_cpu include/linux/version.h symlinks
16:21 < armijn> huebi: ok, but don't forget the "make symlinks" when you do the modules...
16:21 < huebi> armijn: ACK!
16:22 < hackbard> alive :)
16:24 < rxr> hi hackbard 
16:24 < hackbard> hi rene
16:26 < huebi> th: not yet. But SMP will tell us if it is done ;-)
16:26 < huebi> hi rene
16:26 < uninvited> Hehehehe
16:27 < uninvited> excerpt from: de.comp.os.unix.linux.misc:
16:27 < uninvited> Ich hab grad einen Linuxftpserver aufgesetzt. Nach so zwei bis drei 
16:27 < uninvited> Stunden bekomme ich recht unangenehme Rückenschmerzen und Verspannungen 
16:27 < uninvited> im Halsbereich. Das Abspecken der Distribution (neueste SuSE) führte zu 
16:27 < uninvited> keiner Veränderung. Selbst die Umstellung der Authentifizierung des 
16:27 < uninvited> ProFTPD auf das Lightweight DAP hat keine spürbare Verbesserung 
16:27 < uninvited> gebracht. 
16:27 < uninvited> Hilfe, was kann ich tun???????
16:27 < uninvited> Lars
16:27 < uninvited> PS: Je mehr Benutzer sich auf dem Server einloggen, desto stärker werden
16:27 < uninvited>     die Schmerzen.
16:27 < uninvited> *LOL*
16:27 < armijn> wow...US$100
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16:28 < armijn> urgh, ww
16:28 < armijn> sorry
16:28 < armijn> :)
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16:35 < blindcoder> uninvited: hae?
16:35 < uninvited> Titel: ERGONOMIE EINES FTP-SERVERS
16:35 < blindcoder> *argh*
16:35 < esden> cu l8er
16:36 < rxr> hi esden 
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16:50 < rxr> hi Freak 
16:51 < rxr> Freak: could you send me the URL when your photos are online ? ;-)
16:52 < Freak> yes well.. I have some online now.. all of em 800x6ß00
16:52 < Freak> grmpf
16:52 < Freak> 600
16:52 < rxr> cool URL ?
16:52 < Freak> the full-sized pictures will be online some time soon, I'll just have to figure out how to make Apache::Gallery work..
16:53 < Freak> http://myhost/~sraible/guckmal/lt2k2/images/ iirc
16:53 < rolla__> s/vie/via/
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16:53 < rxr> myhost ???
16:53 < Freak> just /whois me ;P
16:53 < rxr> ah
16:54 < Freak> I don't have dhis running
16:54 < Freak> atm
16:55 < rxr> hm the index.html gibts - aber ~sraible schon nicht mehr ...
16:56 < Freak> ach mist
16:56 < Freak> klar
16:56 < Freak> den user gibts ja schliesslich auch nicht ;)
16:57 < rxr> Freak: simply a URL to the pics would be enough 
16:57 < rxr> maybe I could copy the onces I'm on to my homepage ?
16:57 < Freak> jetzt it works (sprechen we here denglisch?)
16:58 < Freak> sure you can
16:58 < rxr> no - normally english ;-)
16:58 < rxr> My page is at http://drocklinux.dyndns.org/rene/
16:58 < Freak> just for now there will only be 800x600
16:58 < Freak> I'll keep you updated tho
16:59 < Freak> so when Apache::Gallery finally works you'll get the originals as well
16:59 < rxr> Internal Server Error
16:59 < rxr> http://p5083959C.dip.t-dialin.net/~sraible/guckmal/lt2k2/images/
16:59 < Freak> omg
17:00 < Freak> ok let me just figure out what apache does now..
17:01 < rxr> Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: [rock-linux] Wahoo
17:01 < rxr> urgh.
17:02 < fake> rxr> i got that too
17:02 < fake> on a mail i sent
17:02 < rxr> esden: how do you log the ROCK Linux channel here? I would like to do this for the #gsmp channel ;-)
17:03 < rxr> I reply to it ;-)
17:03 < fake> i did, too.
17:03 < fake> but it didn't answer again ;)
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17:07 < rxr> this my Revo was without power for too long - and lost all my data :-( 
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17:17 < tsa> wech..
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17:49 < elmurro> anyone know about pengaol
17:49 < elmurro> ?
17:50 < lizard> pengaol?
17:50 < elmurro> its far too disgraceful telling people what it is
17:50 < elmurro> but hey i might was well
17:51 < elmurro> it lets one connect (maybe me, maybe you, anyone) to aol
17:51 < elmurro> on linux
17:51 < lizard> aha
17:51 < lizard> never heard of it
17:51 < elmurro> lol
17:51 < elmurro> oh well
17:51 < elmurro> anyone?
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17:52 < elmurro> oh well
17:53 < elmurro> i'll wander somewhere else
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17:56 < huebi> cu
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18:31 < esden> re hi all
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18:38 < rxr> esden: hi
18:39 < rxr> esden: how do you log the IRC? Simply with Irssi ?
18:39 < rxr> esden: do you have an idea where the photo you made from me is? Would be nice to put in on my site ...
18:42 < esden> _+test+_
18:42 < esden> hmm ...
18:43 < esden> rxr: I log it simply with irssi yes
18:43 < rxr> ah ;-) I asked because I'd like to log the GSMP channel ...
18:44 < esden> rxr: the photo is on chris camera ... drop him a mail that you want the photo ...
18:44 < esden> GSMP ??? 
18:44 < rxr> ah ok  - I'll do this ...
18:45 < rxr> General Sound Maniplation Programm
18:45 < rxr> http://drocklinux.dyndns.org/gsmp/
18:47 < esden> ahh kk
18:48 < rxr> http://drocklinux.dyndns.org/rene/photos/lxtag-2002/gallery.html
18:49 < rxr> some form jocelyn's site - some others ... - more to come when my analog once are ready ...
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18:50 < [-dalai-]> hi
18:51 < esden> hi brackets ...
18:51 < esden> aka [-dalai-] 
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18:52 < dalai> :)
18:53 < dalai> is someone familar with ssa here?
18:54 * -> esden not
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19:02 < esden> hi hackbard_ 
19:02 < hackbard_> hi esden!
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19:03 * -> esden going to talk about the mutation of the huebi harddisk
19:03 * -> esden brb
19:04 < rxr> re hackbard 
19:05 * fake drives home
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19:06 < esden> re ok ... the disk will mutate
19:07 < fake> to what=
19:08 < fake> one of those polish mutations ?
19:09 < fake> where 8 Gb get 17 GB ?
19:09 < fake> *g*
19:09 * fake is off, l8er
19:11 < snyke> argh
19:11 < snyke> can sb. tell me how to _create_ a tar archive? :(
19:12 < SMP> x = eXtract
19:12 < SMP> c = Create
19:13 < th> snyke: so it's tar cf tarfile.tar directory_or_files
19:13 < rxr> hi SMP !
19:13 < th> re
19:15 < snyke> thx th
19:15 < snyke> &SMP
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19:35 < uninvited> so
19:41 * -> esden be back
19:50 < sockmonk> speaking of tar...
19:51 < sockmonk> I noticed that on my drock 1.4.1, neither the j nor y option to tar got it to work with .bz2 files
19:51 < sockmonk> how come?
19:52 < th> sockmonk: it's the I option
19:52 < sockmonk> the I option?? must have missed it in the man page
19:52 < th> sockmonk: tar cfI creates archive with bz2 compression
19:52 < th> sockmonk: rock has no manpage for tar, IIRC
19:53 < sockmonk> is that likely to be standardized anytime soon? that makes three different flags that do the same thing,
19:53 < sockmonk> apparently depending on how it's built
19:53 < sockmonk> I'm not at my rock workstation now; maybe it was tar --help
19:53 < th> i think I is the GNU standard for bz2 at tar
19:54 < th> sockmonk: info tar is available... i hate info but i'm on it
19:54 < th>   -I, --bzip2, --bunzip2             filter the archive through bzip2
19:54 < th> --help shows it
19:54 < sockmonk> ok, must have missed it then. thanks.
19:55 < SMP> -y or -j don't exist as tar options 
19:55 < sockmonk> -y works on slackware 7 and I think slackware 8's tar
19:55 < sockmonk> -j works on the tar as built per linuxfromscratch.org
19:56 < sockmonk> linuxfromscratch book version 3.2 or 3.3; built it a few months ago on a P90
19:56 < th>        -y, --bzip2, --bunzip2
19:56 < th>               filter the archive through bzip2
19:56 < th> that's TAR(1) on slackware
19:56 < th> 22 September 1993
19:57 < sockmonk> right. which is what I'm using at the moment here at work.
19:57 < th> sockmonk: me to on my non-rock machines
20:09 < huebi> re
20:10 < SMP> I don't see -y or -j on God's Own Tar, which is the BSD /usr/bin/tar
20:12 < huebi> SMP: The options are allways patched into tar 1.3 IIRC
20:12 < huebi> for bzip2 
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20:12 < tsa> re
20:13 < huebi> hi tsa ;-)
20:13 < tsa> hi huebi ;)
20:14 < sockmonk> huebi: I do remember that for linuxfromscratch, the -j option was enabled with a separate patch file
20:14 < huebi> sockmonk: Exact the same I remember ;-)
20:17 < sockmonk> FSF or someone needs to make that standard functionality, so I don't have to guess which flag to use. 
20:17 * sockmonk wanders off grumbling to himself
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20:23 < the][owl> hi
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20:26 < huebi> sockmonk: tar and standard - not the easiest goal. 
20:30 < SMP> "That's the nice thing about standards -- there's so many to choose from."
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20:34 < fake> re.
20:34 < huebi> hi fake 
20:34 < rolla> re
20:36 * fake has had no coffee today....
20:36 < fake> is still feel like i just got up... *yawns*
20:36 < rolla> ha ha
20:36 < huebi> "coffee turkey"
20:38 < fake> that's not funny -_
20:38 < fake> -_-
20:38 < rolla> yes it is :) 
20:39 < fake> my stomach hurt, and i was afraid it would get worse if i drink coffee... like it always did
20:41 < fake> and no black tea or coke here to avoid caffeine shortage...
20:41 < rolla> ja
20:41 < huebi> fake: If you better like to have instant coffee without water it's the same as with a hand grenade in your hand getting cracks in it's surface: YOU should not be there.
20:42 < fake> huebi: i didn't get it
20:42 < fake> brain asleep... plz explain
20:42 < huebi> fake: too much coffee kills you.
20:42 < huebi> ;-)
20:43 < huebi> like a exploding hand grenade
20:43 < tsa> hm..
20:43 < fake> i c
20:43 < tsa> i never tried drinking hand grenades..
20:44 < fake> huebi wanted to say: i am dying.
20:44 < huebi> jo
20:44 < tsa> ah, i see.
20:44 < fake> and that you should keep a save distance from me.
20:44 < tsa> please write a mail to the list and inform the others we might need a new mips maintainer..
20:44 < tsa> ;-)
20:44 < huebi> or more coffee
20:51 < sockmonk> caffeine++
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21:23 < uninvited> re
21:24 < fake> re uni
21:26 < uninvited> Ich hab mal ne Frage: ein Rechner mit einem 800er Duron Prozessor gehört zu welcher "Familie" ?
21:27 < fake> AMD Athlon
21:27 < huebi> uninvited: k7
21:27 < fake> mit kaputtenm 2nd level cache ;)
21:28 < huebi> Familie: "Aufgeblasener Taschenrechner"
21:28 < fake> wie war das in 1.7 mit den architekturspezifischen patches....
21:29 < fake> name.patch.mips
21:29 < fake> z.b.
21:29 < fake> oder?
21:29 < huebi> Jedenfalls nichts um bei einer "Regatta" zu gewinnwen
21:29 < huebi> fake: Ich bloed. Ich weiss nix
21:29 < fake> ich weiss dass wir beide nichts wissen.
21:29 < huebi> Ich nix wissen hehe
21:30 < uninvited> fake + huebi> sobald ich im Kernel die K7 Familie aktiviere kann ich nicht mehr hochfahren. INIT-Probleme. Kompilier ich den Kernel nun mir i386 neu und starte gehts. Any ideas ?
21:30 < huebi> uninvited: dann k6
21:30 < fake> aktivier nicht die k7 familie.
21:30 < uninvited> hehehehehe
21:30 < huebi> oder besser i686
21:30 < uninvited> Wo liegen die Unterschiede ?
21:30 < fake> oder ia64
21:31 < uninvited> *huh* ?
21:31 < huebi> ./misc/bench/reference/
21:31 < uninvited> ok
21:32 < huebi> die amds sind mit i686 Optimierung schneller als mit k7 /k6
21:33 < sockmonk> huebi: aren't the amds better supported under gcc 3.x?
21:34 < fake> ia32 sucks
21:34 < rxr> uninvited: maybe hardware problem
21:34 < rxr> via chipsets really suck - might be memory corruption caused by bursts of memory access ...
21:34 < huebi> sockmonk: amds are supported under gcc 3.x
21:36 < huebi> better ;-)
21:36 < uninvited> rxr> running PC133-222 SDRAMS, any suggestions ?
21:36 < fake> try it at 333
21:37 < sockmonk> I have an AMD Duron motherboard that seems to freeze under heavy load
21:38 < uninvited> sockmonk> i guess its not a motherboard Problem. Duron sucks
21:38 < sockmonk> not sure what the problem is; haven't had time to try and narrow it down
21:38 < fake> ia32 sucks, as is said.
21:39 < fake> s/is/i
21:39 < snyke> fake: bchat = down
21:39 * fake will leave pretty soon
21:39 < fake> eh?
21:39 < fake> mom
21:39 < snyke> plz
21:39 < snyke> :)
21:39 < sockmonk> I haven't even gotten around to customizing the kernel yet; hopefully that will help some
21:41 < fake> back up.
21:41 < snyke> thx
21:41 < fake> perl sucks.
21:41 < snyke> what about bccs?
21:41 < sockmonk> perl rocks
21:42 < fake> perl's socket handling sucks
21:42 < sockmonk> eh, possibly. probably a CPAN module to work around any probs though
21:42 < fake> snyke: ask crash. as always he might have stopped one step before completion.
21:43 < snyke> buehe
21:44 < uninvited> okay 686family works out.
21:45 < sockmonk> how close is rock to using gcc 3.x? 
21:46 -!- the][owl is now known as the][owl_AFK
21:46 < sockmonk> or should I ask, how close is gcc 3.x to being usable?
21:51 * fake is compiling rock with gcc 3.1
21:51 < fake> sockmonk: perl - as it sucks - does not yet compile with 3.1
21:53 < rxr> sockmonk: jups
21:54 < rxr> I had a gcc-3.1 compiled on my LinuxTag laptop - only perl5 failed
21:54 < rxr> the rest (including X11 and KDE-3.0.1 worked great.
21:55 < fake> i never tried kde. (no reason needs to be given ;)
21:56 < term_aweh> good night
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21:56 < fake> hehe
21:56 < fake> <-- leaving
21:56 < fake> cya tomorrow or something.
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22:02 < sockmonk> rxr: which version of perl?
22:07 < tsa> rxr: please fix jack as soon as possible...i'll wait with continuiing the build..
22:07 < rxr> re
22:07 < rxr> 5.6
22:08 < rxr> tsa: I can not fix jack in the next hours - since I would have to start a 1.7 build
22:08 < tsa> rxr: no problem...i have time.
22:08 < rxr> on my dRock-1.6.0 build it compiled fine - and the log shots it is a gtk s.th. problem ...
22:08 < rxr> s/shots/shows/
22:08 < tsa> yes, i've seen that...
22:09 < rxr> so I need a whole 1.7 build to track this ...
22:09 < tsa> therefore i did not dig deeper into it..
22:09 < rxr> tsa: but jack is not needed for s.th. yet - so simply continue the Build  ;-)
22:09 < tsa> does clifford's current snapshot already contain our linuxtag fixes?
22:09 < rxr> dunno
22:09 * rxr running Sync ...
22:10 < rxr> urgh
22:10 < rxr> urgh
22:10 * sockmonk looks for problems reports with perl and gcc3
22:10 < tsa> btw...
22:11 < tsa> many packages don't build docs because there is no doxygen...
22:11 < tsa> at least in [3] ..
22:11 < rxr> oh really ?
22:11 < rxr> doygen is nice - I can add it to rene
22:11 < tsa> from jack:
22:11 < tsa> configure: warning: *** doxygen not found, docs will not be built
22:12 < rxr> ah ok
22:12 < tsa> i've seen this on other packages before, but don't remember which ones..
22:12 < rxr> but I guess not many packages use this ...
22:12 < rxr> - Applied Linuxtag fixes from Sebastian Jaenicke and Rene Rebe
22:12 < tsa> ah, ok.
22:13 < tsa> what exactly is doxygen, which package does provide it?
22:13 < tsa> or is it something separate?
22:13 < rxr> doxygen is the naem of the package
22:13 < dalai> n8
22:13 < tsa> hm...seems we don't have it in 1.7
22:13 < rxr> doxygen can generate indexes and overviews of sourcecode 
22:14 < rxr> jups we do not have it
22:14 < rxr> maybe in sf or so ...
22:14 < rxr> but it can go into the rene rep
22:14 < rxr> i used it for GSMP allready ...
22:14 < tsa> would be good to have it..
22:14 < rxr> jups I add it
22:14 < rxr> 1648 patches left ... (to be merged with my sync tool ...)
22:14 < tsa> ok.
22:14 < tsa> hehe
22:15 < tsa> who maintains x11/ ?
22:15 < tsa> clifford? or you?
22:16 * tsa rsyncing..
22:16 < rxr> me
22:16 < rxr> (officially ...)
22:16 < rxr> why ?
22:17 < tsa> just curious..
22:17 < rxr> hm - do I simply apply all of cliffs modifications ?
22:17 < rxr> mostly moving files arround ...
22:17 < rxr> a
22:17 < rxr> *
22:17 < tsa> hehe
22:17 < rxr> so alles gemerged ...
22:17 < snyke> bye
22:17 < rxr> cu snyke 
22:17 < tsa> cu snyke
22:18 < netcrow> bye
22:18 < rxr> 0 patches left ...
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22:18 < sockmonk> only problem I found with perl and gcc3 is when someone had their locale set to Hebrew
22:18 < tsa> erm..
22:18 < sockmonk> just googling...
22:18 < rxr> sockmonk: it simply does not compile because of some pointer casting ...
22:19 < rxr> I' ll start a 1.7 build in a few seconds - so we'll see ...
22:19 < tsa> what is the meaning of the new ia32 repository?
22:19 < rxr> and btw Perl5 compiled fine with gcc-3.0.2 ...
22:19 < rxr> ia32 only packages ...
22:19 < tsa> is this ia32-specific code? and who maintains this?
22:19 < rxr> like the sparc one ...
22:19 < tsa> ok
22:20 < rxr> hm first bug
22:20 < rxr> I select intel and do not get any optmization options ...
22:20 < tsa> hm....perhaps we should also add ia64 soon...
22:21 < rxr> yeah soon ;-) when ever this is ...
22:21 < rxr> but Clifford and I talked with Intel at LinuxTag for an Intanium test system ...
22:22 < rxr> we might get remote access
22:22 < tsa> i know...clifford already told me on lxtag..
22:22 < tsa> yeah..and physical access later, when we're getting into the "hot phase"..
22:22 < rxr> jups
22:23 < rxr> hm the last snap seems to be broken
22:23 < tsa> i could already make one ia64-specific package..
22:23 < rxr> hm ?
22:23 < tsa> nvidia has binary drivers for ia64... ;-)
22:23 < tsa> the current nvidia package would have to go to ia32, then..
22:24 < rxr> wow - no optimizations to select - and no compilers too ...
22:24 < rxr> tsa: better one package which is ia32 and ia64 ready ...
22:24 < tsa> hehe...you're free to write a mail to nvidia..
22:25 < rxr> no I mean - writing a ROCK package which is [R] + ia32 ia64
22:25 < tsa> yes, sure...but how should i test ia64..?
22:25 < tsa> i need an ia64 machine.
22:25 < rxr> and uses another URL for download and compiling - err deflating 
22:25 < rxr> me too
22:26 < tsa> and a big fat fast sparc64 would be nice, too.
22:26 < rxr> jups - not a U5 ...
22:27 < tsa> something nice...dual u60 or quad u80 ...
22:27 < rxr> ;-)
22:28 < tsa> i guess an u60 would be ok....the u80 case looks strange, IMHO..
22:28 < tsa> like an inflated balloon..
22:28 < rxr> ;-) Never took a look ...
22:28 * rxr eating s.th. and then fixing the current snap ...
22:32 < tsa> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
22:32 < tsa> I hate T-offline.
22:33 < tsa> just sent another mail to an @t-online.de address which will never get delivered because they are too dumb to use a split-horizon dns
22:34 < tsa> i should get myself an open relay server in asia to use as a smarthost..
22:34 < tsa> *sigh*
22:35 < rxr> hm
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22:46 < tsa>  /^DS
22:46 < tsa> argh..
22:46 < tsa> wrong window.
22:47 < tsa> ok....problem solved.
22:48 < tsa> hm...how do i define a smarthost in sendmail.mc?
22:48 < tsa> never edited it before..
22:52 < tsa> define(`SMART_HOST', `smart.foo.com')
22:52 < tsa> aah...got it
22:53 < tsa> strange. editing .cf seems easier to me..
22:54 < huebi> tsa: jo, it is.
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22:55 < tsa> i don't understand why so many people blame sendmail....it just extremely configurable..
22:57 < huebi> tsa: the syntax is a little bit special. 
22:57 < tsa> huebi: sure..
22:57 < tsa> huebi: do you know the sendmail book from o'reilly? it helps a lot to understand what's going on in sendmail.cf..
22:59 < huebi> tsa: Yes, I know it. But it still needs very much time to understand it as good as it is needed to get sendmail to do exactly what it should do.
22:59 < tsa> yes, sure..
23:00 < huebi> The vocabulary of sendmail is not intuitive enough to learn it fast.
23:02 < tsa> hehe...indeed. but most stuff is really easy. i guess 90% of the .cf are just definitions of macros (D,C,F), options (O) and subsets (S) of rewrite rules (R) ..
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23:03 < tsa> define maps, fill them, do pattern matching. no more, no less.
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23:05 < rxr> why not simply use a more comforable MTA - like Exim or so ...
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23:06 < holyolli> re
23:07 < tsa> rxr: sendmail isn't uncomfortable, imho..
23:08 < rxr> hi holyolli 
23:08 < tsa> hi holyolli
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23:09 < holyolli> hi rxr, tsa
23:10 < huebi> hi holyolli 
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23:27 < tsa> rxr: do you use exim?
23:28 < tsa> hm..
23:28 < tsa> anyone else using exim?
23:30 < rxr> erh - jups 
23:30 < rxr> sorry for my latency ...
23:30 < tsa> i've been reading exim docs..
23:30 < tsa> to set up a smarthost, it seems to be this:
23:31 < tsa>   smart_route:
23:31 < tsa>     driver = manualroute
23:31 < tsa>     domains = !+local_domains
23:31 < tsa>     transport = remote_smtp
23:31 < tsa>     route_list = * smarthost.ref.example
23:31 < tsa> is this correct?
23:31 < rxr> the exim docs are rather strange - I always do not find the right place at the first look ...
23:31 < rxr> jups - from a quick look this seems to be correct. 
23:31 < rxr> (for Exim-4.x ...)
23:32 < tsa> i've just been looking at two things....setting up smarthosts and allowing/denying vrfy/expn ..
23:32 < tsa> for vrfy/expn stuff it seems i have to set up some sort of acl system..
23:34 < tsa> acl_smtp_vrfy = something
23:34 < tsa> begin something:
23:34 < tsa>  accept...
23:34 < rxr> vrfy/expn ??
23:35 < rxr> ich bin mal kurz 1.7 fixen ..
23:35 < tsa> hm...
23:35 < tsa> strange.
23:35 < tsa> setting "DS" or "O PrivacyOptions" seems a lot easier to me..
23:39 < rxr> so optimization selection work again ;-)
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23:49 < huebi> n8
23:51 < tsa> cu huebi
23:51 < rxr> fixed ROCK-1.7 on my server ...
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23:52 < rxr> rote 1503251 bytes  read 30368 bytes  34463.35 bytes/sec
23:52 < rxr> total size is 8507072  speedup is 5.55
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