--- Log opened Wed Jun 12 00:00:42 2002
--- Day changed Wed Jun 12 2002
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00:07 < rxr> ROCK-1.7 (fixed) build with gcc3 only started ...
00:12 < tsa> rxr: what do you think about changing the .conf files to sendmail.cf syntax?
00:12 < tsa> *G* ;)
00:17 < rxr> huh? our .conf files ? 
00:17 < tsa> hehe...just kidding ;)
00:18 < rxr> tsa: I HOPE SO ...
00:18 < rxr> !
00:18 < tsa> hehehe
00:18 < rxr> so more 1.7 fixes
00:19 < rxr> AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!
00:19 < tsa> hm?
00:20 < rxr> shit src,* fuck
00:20 < rxr> just deleted half of my /proc
00:20 * rxr rebooting ...
00:26 < rxr> hm the new gcc options also suck ...
00:31 < Freak> rxr: http://linuid.dhis.org/~sraible/gallery/ -- but I'll make it a subdomain to linuxforce.de.. just some minutes.
00:32 < rxr> oh look good
00:33 < rxr> maybe you should rotate the pics - so that all have the correct orientation ...
00:34 < Freak> yup
00:37 < rxr> patch to cliff out ...
00:37 < rxr> my fixed 1.7 tree seems to build now - 0-glibc ...
00:40 < rxr> ok /me takes sleep now - cu later
00:41 < Freak> n8
00:43 < lizard> g'nite rxr 
00:45 < tsa> cu rxr
01:14 < tsa> n8
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01:16 < hackbard> still anybody awake?
01:17 < lizard> hi hackbard 
01:18 < hackbard> hi lizard
01:18 < hackbard> did you try building 1.7 the last days?
01:19 < lizard> nope, but i'm up to..
01:20 < lizard> have an i686  build of 1.5.15 for athlon running
01:20 < lizard> now reliable is 1.7 now ?
01:21 < lizard> how
01:23 < lizard> hm so spaet, keiner da. sprechen mer deutsch
01:24 < lizard> hackbard: fuer welche arch machst du 1.7 ?
01:24 < hackbard> hehe, okay :)
01:24 < hackbard> pentium3
01:24 < lizard> ich versuchs auch demnaechst
01:24 < lizard> also jetzt :)
01:24 < hackbard> ich hatte gerade ein komisches prob, aber nach download von eiem neuem tarball wars weg
01:24 < hackbard> ja, also durchbauen wird es nicht
01:24 < lizard> welches packet?
01:24 < lizard> haste -mirror verwendet?
01:24 < hackbard> und jetzt kann man es am repository namen ausmachen , hrhr :)
01:25 < hackbard> jo, -mirror none :)
01:25 < hackbard> hmm, kA - bei meinem letzten build war es ghostscript
01:26 < lizard> ich schaus mir gleich mal an
01:27 < hackbard> komisch, dei umstellung auf rene und clifford ist noch garnicht vollzogen ...
01:27 < lizard> welche umstellung?
01:28 < hackbard> extra1 -> rene , extra2 -> clifford
01:28 < lizard> aha
01:28 < hackbard> ich sehe gerade das snap ist ja auch noch vom 06.06 - das war ja vorm lxtag :)
01:29 < lizard> werden die extra packages in 1.7 eigentlich auch so (schlampig) gepflegt wie sonst? *g
01:29 * lizard laedt grad 11.06 snap
01:29 < hackbard> ah, mach nen ./scripts/Update-Src -all
01:29 < hackbard> jo ?
01:29 < hackbard> hmm ....
01:29 < lizard> yo
01:29 < hackbard> bin ich denn bloed
01:30 < lizard> hehe
01:30 < hackbard> http://www.rocklinux.de/snapshots/ <- ?
01:30 < lizard> http://www.rocklinux.org/snapshots/rock-src-1.7.0-DEV-200206111410.tar.bz2
01:31 < hackbard> dann hinkt .de hinterher .. strange
01:31 < hackbard> okay, aber das Update-Src sollte alles gemacht haben
01:31 < hackbard> anyways ich hols nochmal ..
01:31 < lizard> macht nix, morgen is eh wieder ein neues raus :9
01:32 < lizard> (nehm ich mal an)
01:32 < hackbard> jo, trotzdem ..
01:32 < hackbard> irgendwas stimmte nicht bei meinem ./scripts/Config ..
01:32 < hackbard> ,al sehen ..
01:33 < hackbard> s/,/m/
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01:38 < lizard> hi d3mian 
01:38 < hackbard> hi d3mian
01:38 < hackbard> ;)
01:38 < d3mian> hi guys
01:38 < lizard> ~death@* ?
01:42 < lizard> hmm architecture/intel is now known as architecture/ia32 @ hackbard 
01:44 < hackbard> lizard: yep, but ./scripts/Config is strange!
01:45 < hackbard> go select it again, and there will be intel again
01:45 < hackbard> also you cant specify default compilers anymore .. its just white space there now :(
01:45 < hackbard> lets see
01:46 < lizard> hum
01:49 < hackbard> well in that case i wont start a build today ..
01:49 < hackbard> do you have the same problmes ? 
01:49 < d3mian> ermm, 1.5.13 more stable than 1.4.0?
01:49 < hackbard> pretty sure
01:49 < d3mian> s/13/15
01:51 < lizard> strange, my bash doesnt want to run scripts on my reiserfs partition
01:54 < lizard> localhost:/mnt/big_disc/rock-src-1.7.0-DEV-200206111410# ./scripts/Config 
01:54 < lizard> bash: ./scripts/Config: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Keine Berechtigung
01:54 < lizard> hm
01:54 < lizard> any idea ?
01:55 < lizard> i chmod'ed everything. still complains
02:01 < hackbard> oh yeah
02:01 < hackbard> its using bash now
02:02 < lizard> it was using  bash before. /bin/sh  -> /bin/bash :)
02:02 < hackbard> well, it was using bash as it was symlinked in ur case
02:02 < hackbard> not everyone got this ..
02:02 < hackbard> now it is explicitly using bash
02:03 < lizard> i thought evey modern Linux has this.. ?
02:03 < hackbard> do you have it in there?
02:03 < hackbard> sure
02:03 < hackbard> urs doesnt as it seems :)
02:03 < lizard> doch 
02:03 < lizard> :-)
02:03 < lizard> bash runs on my  ext3 partition
02:03 < lizard> but not on reiserfs ;-(
02:05 < d3mian> umm, dont think is a fs prob, i guess
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02:06 < lizard> this is  literally fscking strange
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06:18 < d3mian> umm, why da you think the install_bin should be implemented in Shell Scripting and not under C?
07:34 < huebi> moin ;-)
07:34 < d3mian> guten morgen huebi
07:35 < huebi> hi d3mian ;-)
07:55 < esden> morning
07:55 < d3mian> hi esden
07:56 < huebi> moin esden 
07:57 < huebi> off to work....
07:58 * -> esden sleeping with open eyes
07:59 < d3mian> umm weed problems, this is bad in a young person
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08:18 < esden> hmm ... can be
08:18 * -> esden be back
08:18 < d3m|away> wake uo now esden? :-)
08:18 < d3m|away> s/up/up
08:45 < th> re
08:48 < th> huebi: what's up with the i486er iso? did you test it?
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09:10 < d3m|away> hi [anders]
09:10 < d3m|away> hi th
09:17 < [anders]> re d3m|away 
09:38 < rxr> re
09:38 < d3m|away> wb rxr
09:39 < rxr> hi d3m|away 
09:50 -!- clifford [~clifford@M084P026.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
09:52 < d3m|away> hi clifford
09:52 < clifford> hi.
09:53 < rxr> hi clifford 
09:53 < clifford> hi rxr.
09:53 < clifford> aehmm ... I need a sendmail guru ...
09:54 < clifford> anyone feels like beeing one?
09:57 < rxr> clifford: sorry - I do not use sendmail -> we had this last night - I suggested exim ...
09:57 * rxr @ Uni ...
09:58 < SMP> morning all. clifford ..
09:59 -!- d3m|away is now known as d3mian
09:59 < clifford> in fact I don't care about which MTA i will be using - as long as I can easily implement what i want.
09:59 < clifford> SMP: Hi! You might be able to help me ...
09:59 < d3mian> :)
10:00 < huebi> moin
10:00 < th> clifford: ask
10:00 < th> clifford: smp is using qmail, iirc
10:00 < SMP> clifford: I thought you were a sendmail guru ;-)
10:00 < clifford> ok. I need the mta not to use any local user database and just start a local app as mda.
10:01 < clifford> SMP: I a sendmail guru? No.
10:02 < fake> mornin
10:02 < fake> *ssssh*
10:02 < th> clifford: you would need to define a new mailer for that
10:02 < fake> <--- sitting in meeting :)
10:03 < clifford> th: tyes - there are no m4 macros to do that and I never made anything directly in sendmail.cf ..
10:03 < th> clifford: perhaps there is another way for what you intend to do?
10:03 < clifford> The problem ist that I should finish the backend for a webmail system until today evening .. :-(
10:05 < clifford> th: which would be?
10:05 < SMP> clifford: you might hate me for that, but... why not dump sendmail and use -erm- qmail or postfix? ;)
10:06 < clifford> SMP: I never used them and I'm afraid I don't have enought time to learn them.
10:07 < clifford> The last time I looked into qmail is 4 years ago - And it was pretty ugly ad that time.
10:07 < clifford> Never had time to look into postfix.
10:07 < SMP> clifford: should be easy enough to do with both of them. postfix is easy to grok, I've been told. I can give you a ton of help with qmail..
10:08 < SMP> qmail hasn't changed a bit in the last four years
10:08 < SMP> literally :>
10:08 < clifford> As I looked at it some years ago it was everything else than streight forward.
10:08 < clifford> (or maybe it just had very bad documentation)
10:09 < th> clifford: a webmail system?
10:09 < clifford> yes - for www.diestartseite.at
10:09 < SMP> it's a matter of taste, I think. for me, sendmail is far from being straight forward
10:09 < th> clifford: so a webmailer without pop3 backend?
10:10 < SMP> clifford: however.. you seem have the choice of not getting it done with sendmail or getting it done with some other MTA...
10:10 < clifford> th: My own local delivery agent writes the mail into a database which is the backend for diestartseite.at
10:10 < clifford> In the local user-db I do only have the admin-users.
10:11 < th> clifford: so why not alias every local user to exactly one local user which then pipes it to your agent?
10:11 < clifford> SMP: do we have a good qmail package or should I build from source?
10:12 < clifford> th: because it's ugly that way.
10:13 < th> clifford: i don't know enough about sendmail to know the syntax of the M-class to define that mailer you need, sorry but i would suggest following SMP.
10:13 < SMP> clifford: my package would not be very helpful to you..
10:13 < SMP> clifford: we can /query and I'll talk you thru
10:13 < clifford> th: thx anyways. I'm now going to try qmail ..
10:14 * clifford is doing /query with smp.
10:14 < th> if reality every throws me on a problem i can't solve easily with sendmail i would follow SMP too ;)
10:22 < huebi> th: I did not test the i486 image. Yesterday I started to rebuild the to packages linux and linux-src. I now do it in the style of Rene in drock. I got too confused with my own system to get it work.
10:51 < d3mian> cu
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11:43 < esden> re hi all
11:43 < huebi> hi esden 
11:43 < esden> hi huebi 
11:43 * -> esden hat kein bock auf betriebsysteme vorlesung
11:43 * -> esden wuerde eh da einschlafen ...
11:44 * -> esden muede wie sonnst noch was ...
11:44 * -> esden braucht bett ...
11:46 < blindcoder> esden> wie wärs mit länger schlafen :D
11:47 < rxr> re
11:47 < huebi> moin rxr ;-)
11:50 < rxr> moin huebi 
11:50 < rxr> xscreensvaer 4.05 is out - it compiles out of the box ;-)
11:50 < esden> blindcoder: haha ... sehr witzig ...
11:50 < esden> rxr: cool thanks ;-)
11:53 < rxr> the xscreensaver thing was intended for huebi  ... ;-)
11:59 < huebi> rxr: Thank you. Applied!
12:03 < blindcoder> esden: I have to tell apache to run a cgi as root for webmail
12:04 < esden> rxr: aaand ?
12:04 < blindcoder> esden: I've found a webmailer that can read the ~/Mail directory
12:04 < esden> blindcoder: seee ??? *fg*
12:05 < esden> blindcoder: hmm ... make a header redirection ...
12:05 < blindcoder> I just wanted to tell ya that a CGI will be setuid root 
12:05 < esden> blindcoder: urghs ... hmm ... when it is not possible to do it otherwise ...
12:06 < esden> blindcoder: we should make https on all virtual hosts on apollo
12:06 < blindcoder> no, because it has to have access to the user's home to read it
12:06 < esden> blindcoder: sure ... 
12:06 < esden> blindcoder: if there is no other solution .. but you could also make a group for it ...
12:07 < esden> blindcoder: but we talk about it when I am in IN
12:08 < blindcoder> sure
12:12 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p5081700D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
12:12 < bluefire> Moin
12:13 < huebi> hi bluefire ;-)
12:13 < blindcoder> hmm how can I tell apache to run as root in that specific directory?
12:13 < blindcoder> it runs as www-data although the file is suid root
12:13 < bluefire> How was LinuxTag?
12:14 < huebi> Very interesting. 
12:15 < esden> bluefire: very productive 
12:15 < bluefire> I was looking for a car to buy on the weekend, so I could not come.
12:15 < esden> bluefire: car ? who needs a car ... ;-)
12:15 -!- holyolli [~oregehr@rossini.marcant.net] has joined #rocklinux
12:15 < holyolli> moin
12:15 < bluefire> esden: acutally my girlfriend ;)
12:15 < esden> bluefire: you had to beam yourself to karlsruhe
12:16 < esden> bluefire: hmm ok ... you happy man ... :-(
12:16 < esden> bluefire: have you seen the images we took on lktag ?
12:16 < bluefire> Right. I plug myself into the usb port and get me sucked up and then transmitted to Karlruhe, he?
12:16 < esden> i mean lxtag ...
12:16 < bluefire> esden: no. url?
12:16 < esden> bluefire: sure ...
12:16 < holyolli> hi esden, bluefire
12:17 < esden> http://www.rocklinux.org/people/jocelyn/linuxtag02/linuxtag02.html
12:17 < esden> http://www.rocklinux.org/people/jocelyn/linuxtag02/
12:17 < esden> here they are
12:17 < huebi> bluefire: Intel is interested in the port of Rocklinux on ia64
12:17 < huebi> moin holyolli 
12:17 < holyolli> muuuh huebi ;-)
12:18 < esden> huep holyolli 
12:19 < bluefire> That Alpha cooler is pretty big.
12:19 < esden> huebi: i would also like to work on this port ... so if you will have capacitys to include me in this aproach I will apreciate if you will do so ... 
12:19 < esden> bluefire: and hot ...
12:19 < huebi> esden: ACK
12:19 < esden> bluefire: like a beautiful babe ;-)
12:20 < esden> huebi: thanks
12:20 < bluefire> I guess so. Just too expensive at the time they were sold.
12:21 < esden> bluefire: beauty is expensive ... ;-)
12:21 < bluefire> esden: Like my new cisco aironet
12:21 < esden> bluefire: urghs ... >_< shell I start to hate you ?
12:22 < esden> ;-)
12:22 < holyolli> .oO(esden hates many people.. ;-)
12:22 < esden> holyolli: yes all people that have more beautifull hardware then me ;-)
12:24 < fake> *lol*
12:24 < esden> hi fake
12:24 < fake> the comments of the photos are great ;)
12:24 < esden> fake: yes they are
12:24 < fake>  fake (left) and esden (background) discuss an issue of vital importance while some guy (extreme right) looks on enviously.
12:24 < esden> rofl
12:25 < esden> this one is really good
12:25 < rxr> Why does the ROCK channel doesn't have a topic ?
12:25 < esden> fake: blindcoder: bitte postet im bboard ... wir muessen dem bissel leben einhauchen ;-)
12:25 < fake> Unfortunately, we don't have pictures of such poignant moments as: 
12:25 < fake> *  The Wrath of Ripclaw (or, why fake should use an ESD band when working on ripclaw's hardware)
12:25 < esden> rxr: no idea ... mom
12:26 < huebi> esden: The only thing of a man that must be small is his mobile phone ;->>>
12:28 < esden> hehe ... /me wants a e15k with femail
12:29 < esden> the e15k will become my mobile phone
12:29 < esden> ;-)
12:29 * fake wants ia64 too
12:29 < esden> fake: *stampf* ;-) ich war frueher 
12:29 < esden> ;-)
12:31 * fake has 2 ARMs
12:33 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o esden] by ChanServ
12:33 -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: Rock also likes mips (bug fake)
12:33 <@esden> *fg*
12:33 <@esden> fake: in what devices?
12:33 * huebi gave away his Acorn A3000 with an ARM 2 CPU about 2 Years ago.
12:33 < fake> *grrrr*
12:34 < fake> esden: body
12:34 <@esden> rofl ... 
12:34 < fake> ;)
12:34 <@esden> fake: you have chips implanted .. cool stuff
12:34 < huebi> bbl
12:35 < rxr> esden: maybe a more usefull topic?
12:35 -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: You feel not sexy enough? Use Rock Linux!
12:35 <@esden> *gg*
12:35 < rxr> ROCK Linux ...
12:35 < rxr> ^^^^
12:36 -!- fake changed the topic of #rocklinux to: Don't feel sexy enough? Use Rock Linux!
12:36 -!- ChanServ changed the topic of #rocklinux to: You feel not sexy enough? Use Rock Linux!
12:36 -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: You feel not sexy enough? Use ROCK Linux!
12:36 * rxr nervt Esden ;-)
12:36 -!- fake changed the topic of #rocklinux to: Don't feel sexy enough? Use Rock Linux!
12:36 -!- ChanServ changed the topic of #rocklinux to: You feel not sexy enough? Use ROCK Linux!
12:36 < fake> wixxa!
12:36 <@esden> huh
12:36 -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: Den't feel not sexy enough? Use ROCK Linux!
12:36 -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: Don't feel not sexy enough? Use ROCK Linux!
12:36 <@esden> better
12:37 < fake> man,...
12:37 < holyolli> .oO(urgs..polnisch klingt komisch)
12:37 < fake> das is total polenglisch
12:37 <@esden> holyolli: ???
12:37 -!- fake changed the topic of #rocklinux to: Don't feel sexy enough? Use Rock Linux!
12:37 -!- ChanServ changed the topic of #rocklinux to: Don't feel not sexy enough? Use ROCK Linux!
12:37 -!- esden changed the topic of #rocklinux to: Don't feel sexy enough? Use ROCK Linux!
12:37 < holyolli> esden: ich mach grad ne telefonkonferenz mit polen mit dolmetscher
12:37 < fake> holyolli: sag mal: curva!
12:37 <@esden> holyolli: oje ... du armer
12:38 <@esden> fake: nene ... dass heisst kurwa
12:38 < holyolli> lieber nicht... =)
12:38 < fake> esden: das tolle an telefonkonferenzen ist - man sieht nicht wie andere leuete worte aussprechen
12:38 <@esden> der arme holyolli muss was mit polen machen ... er tut mir echt leid ... die machen ihn bestimmt platt ... ;-)
12:39 < [anders]> "Don't feel sexy enough? Use ROCK Linux!"
12:39 < [anders]> Don't feel not in essence mean Do feel
12:39 <@esden> brackets ... aehm [anders] ... what do you want to say with it .. ?
12:39 < holyolli> esden: das nächste mal ruf ich dich an...die dolmetscherin kennt sich nicht wirklich mit it aus =)
12:40 <@esden> holyolli: ja mache dass ... ich helfe dir gerne ... 
12:40 <@esden> muahaha ... *gg*
12:40 <@esden> neee .. im ernst ...
12:40 * fake geht mal was essen
12:40 < fake> oder so
12:40 < fake> *wunk*
12:41 <@esden> fake: fresssack
12:41 < fake> bis nacher
12:41 <@esden> cu fake 
12:41 < holyolli> cu l8ter fake
12:45 <@esden> dot dot dot
12:46 < blindcoder> dit dit daw
12:48 <@esden> bluefire: *watz*
12:48 <@esden> ups
12:48 <@esden> i mean blindcoder 
12:49 * bluefire ouch
12:49 <@esden> gomeeeeenasai bluefire 
12:49 * bluefire slaps esden over the head with a cisco aironet wrapped up in a brick
12:49 < bluefire> hehe
12:49 <@esden> bluefire: mhhh sweet pain ;-)
12:50 -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o esden] by esden
13:01 < blindcoder> esden: I'm seriously thinking about a second apache-process running as root....
13:06 < esden> blindcoder: urghs ... jajks ...
13:06 < esden> blindcoder: on other port ?
13:06 < blindcoder> yes... <jk<
13:06 < blindcoder> sure another port... and just for testing.
13:06 < blindcoder> not productive
13:06 < esden> blindcoder: poste im board ... bitte !!! ... 
13:06 < blindcoder> there just HAS to be another solution
13:06 < blindcoder> hang on
13:06 < holyolli> does anybody know an url for 1.5.16 intel?
13:07 < esden> blindcoder: kk ... do it ...
13:07 < esden> holyolli: there is none ... afaik
13:07 < holyolli> hm.
13:07 < holyolli> and an older version?
13:07 < th> 1.5.15 iso is available at download.rocklinux.org
13:08 < holyolli> thx
13:09 < blindcoder> esden: done
13:16 < blindcoder> *argh*
13:16 * blindcoder drags away food far far away
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13:20 < fake> re
13:20 < holyolli> re fake
13:21 < blindcoder> re fake
13:21 < fake> ha, i luv diz line
13:21 < fake> 350 kb/s to gd.tuwien.ac.at
13:21 < th> not bad
13:22 < th> i had ~980kb/s to download.rocklinux.de this morning
13:22 * holyolli had just now 900kb/s from download.rocklinux.de ;-)
13:22 < fake> i had 17 MB/s to ftp.de.debian.org :P
13:23 < th> fake: that's your mirror, isn't it?
13:23 < th> fake: 17MB/s i get 10MB from http://localhost/
13:24 < fake> th> no, the official one...
13:24 < fake> maybe i read it wrong and it was 1,7 MB - who cares.
13:24 < th> hehe
13:24 < fake> it was pretty fast, anyways ;)
13:24 < th> ack
13:26 < rxr> 57755644 Bytes music and video ...
13:26 < fake> oeh?
13:26 < rxr> 57 GB
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13:27 < fake> MB
13:27 < bluefire> I hate it when the Gnome panel crashes.
13:28 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A75.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux
13:28 < holyolli> hi snyke
13:29 < snyke> hi
13:29 < esden> moep
13:29 < rxr> 1703 files
13:30 < snyke> hi esden *k*
13:30 < esden> fake: willst du nicht im bboard posten ?
13:30 < esden> hi snyke 
13:30 < fake> wieso?
13:30 < esden> weil es so wenig da los ist ...
13:30 < esden> scheiss deutsch
13:30 < holyolli> hehe
13:30 < esden> holyolli: ???
13:31 < fake> ich post selten, aber ich werd mal wieder drueberkucken.
13:31 < holyolli> esden: dieser satz kein verb.
13:31 < holyolli> ;-)
13:31 < praenti> hi
13:32 < praenti> wie war das gleich nochmal wenn man einen screen nicht mehr bekommt
13:32 < snyke> -wipe
13:32 < snyke> :)
13:32 < praenti> Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check.
13:32 < praenti> snyke: trottel. dann is er weg
13:33 < snyke> i weis
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13:35 < esden> fake: danke
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13:38 < praenti> aha. is ein env prob bei mir. sagt die zeile auch bei screen ohne option
13:39 < praenti> und schon hab ich ihn
13:42 * -> esden brb
13:42 < rxr> urgh
13:42 < rxr> doesn so wanna see the gentoo perl ebuild script?
13:43 < rxr> # Umm, for some reason this doesn't want to work, so we'll just remove
13:43 < rxr> #  the makefiles and let make rebuild them itself. (It seems to do it
13:43 < rxr> #  right the second time... -- pete
13:43 < rxr> *lol*
13:43 < rxr> I fixed the make dep the right way ;-)
13:44 < rxr> the script has 181 lines !!!!!!
13:46 < fake> so.
13:47 < fake> praenti: screen -R -DD
13:47 < fake> aw.
13:48 < praenti> fake: schon geloest
13:48 < fake> i c
13:50 < rxr> Super ChangeLog entry: Added ebuild that works with gcc 3.1.
13:50 < rxr> toll
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13:50 < fake> hi cliff
13:50 < rxr> moin clifford 
13:51 * rxr fixing perl5 myself - Gentoo scripts are far from being useable for anything - nor are they readable ...
13:51 < rxr> http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/gentoo-x86/sys-devel/perl/perl-5.6.1-r4.ebuild?rev=1.1&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
13:51 < fake> clifford: managed to mkdir people/fake yet?
13:59 < fake> SYN... SYN... SYN...
14:03 < rxr> fake: I guess this was only a reconnect because of less traffic on www.rocklinux.org ...
14:04 < fake> argl.
14:07 * blindcoder thinks about downloading his animes from the "bitz"
14:07 < blindcoder> since my connection at home gets terminated every few minutes
14:08 < fake> blindcoder: don't think. humans are there for generating traffic. horses have bigger heads. let them think.
14:09 < blindcoder> eah, but a horse is only a handsan away from goind mad
14:09 < rxr> errrrr - Gentoo gcc build script:
14:09 < rxr> (some flood ...):
14:09 < rxr> # Red Hat patches
14:09 < rxr>         for x in gcc31-boehm-gc-libs.patch.bz2 \
14:09 < rxr>                 gcc31-fde-merge-compat.patch.bz2 \
14:09 < rxr>                 gcc31-attr-visibility.patch.bz2 \
14:09 < rxr>                 gcc31-attr-visibility2.patch.bz2 \
14:10 < rxr>                 gcc31-trunc_int_for_mode.patch.bz2 \
14:10 < rxr>                 gcc31-dwarf2-pr6381.patch.bz2 \
14:10 < rxr>                 gcc31-dwarf2-pr6436-test.patch.bz2 \
14:10 < rxr>                 gcc31-c++-null-pm-init.patch.bz2 \
14:10 < rxr>                 gcc31-c++-tsubst-asm.patch.bz2 \
14:10 < rxr>                 gcc31-fdata-sections.patch.bz2 \
14:10 < rxr>                 gcc31-fold-const.patch.bz2 \
14:10 < rxr>                 gcc31-fold-const2.patch.bz2 \
14:10 < rxr>                 gcc31-i386-malign-double-doc.patch.bz2 \
14:10 < rxr>                 gcc31-libstdc++-pr6594.patch.bz2 \
14:10 < rxr>                 gcc31-libstdc++-pr6648.patch.bz2 \
14:10 < rxr>                 gcc31-libstdc++-setrlim.patch.bz2 \
14:10 < rxr>                 gcc31-pr6643.patch.bz2 \
14:10 < rxr>                 gcc31-test-rotate.patch.bz2
14:10 < rxr>         do
14:10 < rxr> *lol*
14:10 < blindcoder> rxr> cut it short, just post a fr x in *.patch.bz2 ;)
14:10 < rxr> # SuSE patches
14:10 < rxr> # Mandrake patches
14:10 < rxr> SuSE and Mandrake patches not posted ...
14:10 < rxr> Seems that they apply any patch they find ...
14:11 < rxr> blindcoder: I do not want to merge this sh*t into ROCK - I only wanna take a look into gentoo - and fix our perl5 for gcc-3.1 ...
14:12 < blindcoder> rxr: sorry... I didn't want to say so..
14:12 < fake> rxr: seet idea! maybe it will even build!
14:12 < fake> s,seet,sw33
14:12 < fake> t
14:13 < rxr> argggh
14:13 < rxr> they store the pathces bz2'ed - not nice for just viewing in the browser ...
14:14 < rxr> arggh
14:17 * blindcoder makes himself some instant noodles and a cup of coffee
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14:27 * praenti has read some trove docu
14:27 < praenti> i think i would like this
14:28 < praenti> better designed than rpm (too small desc and ugly) or deb (overloaded)
14:29 < rxr> praenti: URL ?
14:29 < praenti> rxr: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/trove/trove-design.html
14:30 < praenti> rxr: was the link from esdens mail
14:33 < praenti> ohh. ich glaub das werden die nicht lange machen, wenn wir das benutzen
14:33 < praenti> Trove site administrators get email notification of all package creations (so they can watch for site-policy violations). 
14:33 < praenti> *g*
14:35 * praenti kaffee trinken
14:36 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/drock-screens.html
14:36 < rxr> next screenshot online ;-)
14:52 < th> huebi: doc/rfc is broken auf der 1.5.15er?
14:59 < th> (dem iso auf download.rocklinux.de)
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15:15 < esden> re hi all
15:15 < esden> praenti: ich bin heute nicht in IN
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15:16 < blindcoder> re esden
15:17 * praenti wieder da
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15:18 < huebi> re
15:18 < Freak> re
15:19 < praenti> hi huebi 
15:19 < huebi> hi praenti 
15:21 < praenti> esden: uebernachtest du wieder beim uwe?
15:21 < huebi> th: RFC sieht OK aus. ROCK Linux 1.5.15_2002-05-27_02h30 intel (native, 2002/05/27)
15:22 < esden> praenti: ja ... leider beim uwe ;-)
15:23 < huebi> esden: Gibt es da keine "Uwine
15:23 < huebi> ?
15:24 < esden> huebi: nee ... aber andere namen gibt es hier schon ...
15:24 < esden> *treum*
15:24 < th> huebi: bzip2: rfc.tar.bz2: data integrity (CRC) error in data
15:24 < th> bzip2 -t rfc.tar.bz2
15:26 < huebi> th: Ich habe genau diese CD gestern hier installieren lassen. Alles liess sich installieren. Brenn doch das image noch einmal. Ich hatte den gleichen Fehler auf meinem 1.4.0er Image.
15:26 < th> huebi: ich habe das iso loopback gemounted
15:26 < huebi> auf meiner 1.4.0er CD ;-)
15:27 < huebi> th: moment...
15:29 < rxr> shit - I damaged my ext2 on the U5 with enabling a DMA mode for IDE ...
15:29 < holyolli> did anybody made some performance tests with lvd and reiserfs?
15:30 < huebi> holyolli: jo. and xfs
15:30 < th> huebi: damn. wrong md5sum
15:30 < huebi> holyolli: I can post that later.
15:30 < holyolli> huebi: do you have any numbers
15:30 < holyolli> ah
15:30 < holyolli> thx
15:30 < fake> re.
15:30 < th> huebi: please recalc md5 of iso...
15:30 < th> or nor
15:31 < th> or no
15:31 < holyolli> esden: btw. i tested the 2.4.18 kernel on alpha and it didn't work - the same config on 2.4.17 worked :-/
15:31 < th> i do it on world
15:31 < huebi> th: ok
15:31 < huebi> th: I _did_ that on world
15:31 < th> huebi: yes i know... seems that my wget failed
15:31 < esden> holyolli: hmm ... I have to test it too ... but I have to wait till the disk from huebi is mutated ... 
15:32 < esden> the mutation should be fullfilled this weekend ...
15:33 < th> huebi: is that iso mirrored somewhere?
15:33 < huebi> th: not yet
15:34 < th> huebi: so i should split on both sides and find the wrong part
15:34 < holyolli> esden: mutation?
15:34 < holyolli> *bahnhof*
15:34 < holyolli> erm
15:34 < holyolli> *railwaystation*
15:34 < holyolli> ;)
15:34 < huebi> root@imf001c3:/tmp#  bzip2 -cd rfc.tar.bz2 |md5sum 
15:34 < huebi> 11a0387c0648ef1826284930e685dc73  -
15:36 < fake> OpenOffice is pretty seet.
15:36 < fake> sweet, i mean.
15:36 < huebi> fake: sw33t?
15:36 < holyolli> o.k. - i'll go home now...cya later
15:36 < esden> holyolli: huebi gave me a 8GB 50pin scsi disk ... it will be mutated to a 9.1GB lvd scsi disk
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15:37 < esden> with 10k rotations ;-)
15:37 < esden> fast ;-)
15:37 < fake> huebi : exactly ;)
15:37 < esden> hmm ... he gone ..
15:37 < esden> tztztz
15:37 < fake> esden: how?
15:37 < fake> the "polish" way?
15:37 < huebi> esden: kool
15:37 < huebi> !
15:38 < Freak> http://linuid.dhis.org/~freak/gallery/RockLinux
15:38 < huebi> fake: No, the "I need something old but cant get it any more" - way
15:38 < esden> fake: no zero needs the 50 pin disk for his sparc ... so he is buying the 9.1 disk from erdi ... giving it to me ... and I give him the 8GB one ... ;-)
15:38 < fake> *smashes_head_against_desk*
15:39 < fake> *again*
15:39 < esden> I do not understand the philosophy of zero ... but I do not say anything against it ... ;-)
15:39 < esden> as far as I get something better that I can drive in my alpha .. I am happy ;-)
15:39 < fake> esden: i wouldn't either, if i were you
15:40 < esden> fake: why ?
15:40 < esden> ohh
15:40 < esden> argh ...
15:40 < huebi> fake: http://www.myipv6.de/fun/stress_reduktion_kit.gif *g*
15:40 < esden> ok sure ...
15:40 < esden> yes ... muahaha ... 
15:41 < esden> I have to print it and hang out in bitz ;-)
15:41 < huebi> hehe
15:41 < esden> then we will have holes in the walls pretty fast ;-)
15:43 < th> huebi: i've another major problem with that iso
15:43 < th> huebi: CVS directories
15:43 < huebi> th: o_O
15:44 < th> huebi: the CVS-dirs in the sysfile-tree a still there
15:44 < huebi> th: I know. I allmost found all the directories.
15:44 < huebi> also in install-disks IIRC
15:46 < th> huebi: is there any find -type d -name CVS -exec rm -rf {} ';' in the install scripts now?
15:48 < huebi> th: No. I just exclude files and directories containing in it's name CVS from copying. That's cleaner.
15:55 < huebi> I started a new build at 12:36:45. I still have a big TODO list 
16:06 < rolla> re
16:07 * praenti is away. cu
16:11 < th> huebi: yes ok. just wanted to know wether the problem is solved
16:15 < huebi> I'll do some more work on 1.5.16 tonight.
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16:20 < holyolli> re
16:20 < aszlig> re
16:21 < aszlig> hullo
16:21 < holyolli> hi aszlig
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16:30 < th> oups. my vim.ext was broken? (speaking of 1.5)
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16:31 < Mike1> Hi All
16:31 < fake> hi
16:31 < huebi> hi Mike1 ;-)
16:31 < rxr> Hi Mike1! You are blue ? ;-)
16:32 < huebi> test
16:32 < Mike1> rxr not really why?
16:32 < rxr> because you talk so colorfull ...
16:33 < Mike1> :Þ
16:33 < Mike1> hehe just playing around with xchat
16:33 < rxr> ok /me away ...
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16:41 < holyolli> <scriptskiddiemode>
16:41 < holyolli> System Info: Linux 2.4.18-rc4 | CPU model name	: Pentium III (Coppermine) @ cpu MHz		: 937.566 with       2 processors | Processes: 79 | Uptime: 6:41pm  up 16:45,  6 users,  load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00 | Screen Resolution: 1280x1024
16:41 < holyolli> </scriptskiddiemode>
16:41 < holyolli> hah!
16:41 < holyolli> <-- l33t scr1pt-k1dd13
16:41 < holyolli> ;)
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16:43 < esden> holyolli: respekt ... 
16:43 < holyolli> mh?
16:44 < holyolli> is nur geklaut das script (und ein wenig angepasst)
16:44 * -> esden is loughing about holyolli because he is a scriptkiddie *muahahaha*
16:45 < esden> holyolli: very good for a script kiddie ... because a normal sk could not modify it ;-)
16:45 < holyolli> hehe
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16:56 < miro> hola
16:57 < Freak> huhu
16:58 < aszlig> hullo miro
16:58 < rxr> re
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16:58 < Freak> wb rxr
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17:00 < huebi> holyolli - Advanced Script Kiddy ;->
17:02 < holyolli> hehe
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17:38 < huebi> cu l8ter. ;-)
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17:55 < th> grmpf sudo-config file (sudoers) changed to /etc/sudoers?
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18:13 < Freak> wb
18:29 < rxr> hm - maybe the perl5 gcc31 problem is caused by a rather interesting union declaration ...
18:29 < rxr> the gentoo perl is not patched
18:29 < rxr> the gcc31 in gentoo is highly patched ... - but I already copyied nearly all (the patches that look like they could help) -> the patches do not help yet ...
18:30 < rxr> s/do/did/
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18:38 < sphaera> hello.
18:38 < rxr> does anyone here knows how to enable detailed casting warning with gcc31 ?
18:39 < rxr> I only get incompatible type for argument bla of function xyz ...
18:39 < rxr> I would like to know which type gcc expects ...
18:41 < clifford> rxr: there is a -Wcast-qual and -Wcast-align
18:41 < rxr> oh hi clifford 
18:42 < rxr> clifford: I'm tracking this perl5 w/ gcc-3.1 thing down ...
18:42 < clifford> yes - I see it.  :-)
18:42 < rxr> clifford: this two optinos aren't a help ...
18:42 < SMP> ah
18:42 < rxr> I already tried them
18:42 < SMP> clifford: Erfolg gehabt mit SMTP::Server?
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18:43 < clifford> SMP: yup. Ich hab' jetzt einen in perl geschriebenen mailserver der genau das macht was ich brauch'.
18:43 * SMP schuettelt sich
18:43 < clifford> wieso? ist doch cool!
18:44 < th> perl is nich cool ;)
18:44 < th> IMVHO
18:44 < clifford> th: warum? awk hat ein plugin interface. Ich koennte mal versuchen ...
18:44 < th> das arme awk
18:44 < SMP> hehehe
18:45 < th> einen smtpd in awk geschrieben... das haette ja was
18:45 < SMP> naja
18:45 < th> ich hab ja nicht gesagt _was_
18:45 < SMP> 's gibt nen Webserver in awk
18:45 < clifford> ... es gibt nen webserver in postscript ...
18:46 < SMP> die netteste Idee dazu hab ich heute erst gehoert..
18:46 < rxr> wieso gibt es so viele Leute die sich in die List der nie benoetigten dinge einreihen wollen ...
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18:46 < rxr> es gibt auch irgendnen Assembler in Bash oder so
18:46 < SMP> nen webserver in /bin/sh oder aehnlichen hat ja jeder schon mal geschrieben, aber..
18:47 < sockmonk> clifford: actually there is a postscript webserver
18:47 < th> nen /bin/sh webbrowser ;)
18:47 < clifford> der bash asm is' aber nicht soo toll ..
18:47 < SMP> die beste Idee war jemand der einen in ksh geschrieben hat und ein netcat binary uuencoded im script eingebaut hat
18:47 < sockmonk> ps-httpd at http://www.pugo.org:8080/
18:47 < SMP> sockmonk: we know that it was not a joke
18:47 < th> netcat? klingt das wie irix?
18:48 < SMP> noe.
18:49 < rxr> clifford: ne idee wie ich gcc dazu ueberrede etwas sinnvolles fuer: pp_sys.c:1696: incompatible type for argument 5 of `sendto'
18:49 < rxr> auszugeben ?
18:49 < rxr> gcc-3.1 mag viele Stellen wo "struct sockaddr *" benutzt wird nicht ...
18:50 < clifford> rxr: hmmm... keine ahnung.
18:50 < rxr> sendto hat  als argument 4: __CONST_SOCKADDR_ARG __addr,
18:51 < rxr> was eine typedef union ist ...
18:51 < rxr> (muss das so eckelig sein ... ?!?)
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18:51 < rxr> die definition faengt so an:
18:51 < rxr> typedef union { __const struct sockaddr *__restrict __sockaddr__;
18:51 < rxr> ...
18:53 < rxr> ich habe jetzt schon:
18:53 < rxr> union __CONST_SOCKADDR_ARG* test = namebuf;
18:54 < rxr> und rufe die function mit diesem test auf - und gcc-3.1 mag das noch immer nicht ...
18:59 < huebi> re
19:00 < huebi> 17:55 < th> grmpf sudo-config file (sudoers) changed to /etc/sudoers? <- Jo. It's now in base and not in ext any more.
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19:01 < hackbard> hi
19:03 < rxr> hi hackbard 
19:03 < hackbard> hi rene
19:03 < huebi> hi hackbard 
19:04 < hackbard> yo huebi
19:04 < hackbard> :)
19:05 < rxr> clifford: might this be caused by our disabling of the fixincludes ?
19:05 < rxr> maybe normally these scripts convert s.th. in the socket.h ...
19:05 < th> huebi: i had some dependencies on the old location...
19:05 < th> huebi: why do we move so much to base?
19:05 < rxr> I have not found a single reference for a perl5 + gcc-3.1 problem on the net ...
19:06 < huebi> th: Simply because there are about 100MB left empty on the CD
19:06 < huebi> ;-)
19:08 < rxr> huebi: have you already moved kde into base ?
19:09 < huebi> rxr: No, I didn't. I'm still busy with the linux/linux-src issue.
19:09 < rxr> kde might be a good candidate for space filling ;-)
19:09 < huebi> hehe
19:10 < th> huebi: grrr
19:10 < th> huebi: put some dilbert strips to the cd... but ... but ... grmpf
19:11 < rxr> fixincl.patch disabled - running the next build ...
19:11 < th> i always thought to have a real minimal system when just installing the base
19:11 < huebi> th: moment
19:15 < huebi> th: I want to put it in util. Is that ok for you?
19:15 < th> ouhm
19:15 < th> what IS util?
19:16 < th> aehm
19:16 < th> ahh
19:16 < huebi> th: If you install there are a few sections
19:16 < th> the Install-shell
19:16 < th> the selections there...
19:16 < huebi> exact
19:16 < th> so we have a DUP in terms "base:
19:16 < th> so we have a DUP in terms "base
19:16 < th> so we have a DUP in terms "base"
19:17 < th> on the one hand it's such a Install-shell section
19:17 < th> OTOH it's the "opposite" of ext (base-config vs. ext-config)
19:17 < huebi> o --3-5- base   sudo     <- It's not installed by default.
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19:18 < huebi> ---- base-archive/INDEX 1 <- It belongs to base-config
19:18 < th> i just want to have a section which is quite a must-have
19:19 < th> hmmm
19:19 < th> hmmm
19:19 < th> hmm
19:19 < th> it's less the fact that sudo is now in base (which i could accept) but it's the fact that /etc/opt/sudo/sudoers changed to /etc/sudoers
19:20 < th> hmmm
19:20 < huebi> Now it is in the section base. But it is not installed by default. Sudo is quite essential on production systems. IMHO
19:20 < huebi> s/section/installsection/
19:21 < th> huebi: let's have it in base. it's less util than base IMHO
19:21 < huebi> th: Yes, I think in the same way. I let it stay in base as it is.
19:22 < th> it's just the problem that i really should not rely on pathes
19:22 < th> i had some mechanisms to modify sudoers file
19:22 < th> i'll adapt
19:22 < huebi> th: great. ;-)
19:25 < huebi> screen 3.9.11 has an exploit. I downgraded to 3.9.10
19:25 < th> Screen version 3.09.10 (FAU) 4-Sep-01
19:25 < th> whew ;)
19:29 < huebi>  ** Finished (06/12/02 12:36:43 - 06/12/02 18:04:59) ** <- I like MAKE="$MAKE -j16" ;-)))
19:29 < huebi> root@zeus:/rock-linux# ls dist/var/adm/logs/*err
19:29 < huebi> dist/var/adm/logs/1-linux.err  dist/var/adm/logs/3-linux.err   dist/var/adm/logs/3-pcmcia-cs.err
19:30 < huebi> dist/var/adm/logs/3-alsa.err   dist/var/adm/logs/3-mtools.err  dist/var/adm/logs/3-softdog.err
19:30 < huebi> and now some fixing ;-))
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19:55 * huebi installing 1.5.16. booted from an old 1.5.14 CD
20:00 < fake> hai
20:00 < rxr> == 06/12/02 20:00:11 =[2]=> Finished building package gcc3.
20:00 < fake> clifford : there?
20:00 < rxr> he was here half an hour ago or so ...
20:01 < rxr> == 20:00:24 =[2]=> Building base/perl5 [5.6.1 1.7.0-DEV-200206111410].
20:01 < rxr> betet mal bitte ;-)
20:02 < rxr> == 06/12/02 20:02:26 =[2]=> Aborted building package perl5.
20:03 < rxr> hm diabling fixincludes doesn't help ...
20:03 * fake hat nicht gebetet
20:04 < rxr> ah - steinigt ihn!
20:04 < rxr> so ich mach erstmal Physik ... - doofer gcc-3.1 ... oder besser socket.h muell ...
20:07 < fake> ...
20:08 * huebi hat aufgeraeumt....
20:09 -!- the][owl [~mail-spam@B5380.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux
20:09 < the][owl> hi
20:09 < huebi> hi the][owl 
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20:14 < fake> ...
20:20 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082AFE1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:20 < tsa> moin.
20:20 < huebi> hi tsa 
20:20 < huebi> ;-)
20:20 < tsa> hi huebi
20:21 < tsa> gr....sourceforge is slow..
20:21 < huebi> no money - no speed ;(
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20:22 < huebi>  hi netti ;-)
20:22 < tsa> huebi: ack.
20:22 < tsa> hi netcrow
20:22 < netcrow> hidiho
20:22 < tsa> hm....
20:22 < tsa> why is boogieboy editing .cache files on sourceforge cvs?
20:23 < tsa> this guy makes strange things...
20:23 < tsa> *sigh*
20:24 < rxr> tsa: I already noticed him via email ...
20:25 < rxr> tsa: could you post a diff of what he edited? I have not yet took a look ...
20:25 < tsa> rxr: i'm already trying, but sourceforge is extremely slow today..
20:25 * clifford is away: away
20:26 < rxr> tsa: how would you like to get allan's sign? 300dpi? -> 25.5 MB ...
20:26 < tsa> http://sourceforge.net takes me about 3 minutes just to load the page..
20:26 < tsa> rxr: i don't need it...
20:26 < tsa> keep it for yourself, put it on your wall or something.. ;)
20:27 < rxr> tsa - sure. It will hang on the wall in a few minutes - but first I'll scan the sign - for everyone who want it ...
20:27 < tsa> ah...strange
20:27 < tsa> sourceforge is fast again.
20:27 * rxr updating now, too ...
20:28 < tsa> the old .cache file (gmos, in this case) was completely removed and replaced by his own one.
20:28 < tsa> GRRRR.
20:28 < rxr> toll ...
20:28 < tsa> doesn't he read the mailing list?
20:28 < rxr> maybe not ...
20:29 < tsa> he should do, when editing files in our repositories without knowing what he is doing..
20:30 < rxr> ok scanned
20:31 -!- hackbard is now known as hack^afk
20:31 < hack^afk> building 1.7 right now, where ist it supposed to break ? :)
20:31 < hack^afk> just to know the time i have to come back 
20:32 < rxr> when you use gcc2 most will compile ...- only some gnome2 stuff will fail
20:32 < rxr> when you use gcc3 for all - you'll not get far ...
20:32 < hack^afk> okay, so ghostscript is fixed?
20:32 < hack^afk> no, gcc2
20:34 < rxr> hack^afk: oh - maybe not ...
20:34 < hack^afk> okay, we will see - i am back in 3-4 hours. thats the time glibc needs anyways :)
20:34 < hack^afk> later ..
20:34 < rxr> ich klettere mal auch meinem schreibtisch rum - falls ich mich nicth melde bin ich runter gefallen ...
20:34 < hack^afk> lol
20:34 < rxr> hack^afk: on which CPU ? ;-)
20:35 < hack^afk> much luck! :)
20:35 < hack^afk> 450 mhz 128 ram
20:35 < rxr> s/auch/auf/
20:35 < hack^afk> intel3
20:35 < rxr> hack^afk: ah ok
20:35 < hack^afk> bye
20:35 < tsa> cu hack^afk
20:35 < huebi> cu hack^afk 
20:38 < tsa> *gaehn*
20:38 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@linus.regehr.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:39 < holyolli> re
20:39 < tsa> tag olli
20:39 < huebi> hi holyolli 
20:39 < tsa> knuddeln?
20:39 < holyolli> hi tsa
20:39 < holyolli> tsa: au ja ;)
20:39 < holyolli> huhu huebi
20:41 < tsa> frage an die kde-user: wie legt man einen shortcut fuer ein programm fest? (beliebiges, nicht kde-spezifisches programm..)
20:41 < rxr> tsa: ??
20:41 < netcrow> ln -s ;-))
20:41 < tsa> *sigh*
20:42 < netcrow> rechtsklick würd ich bei kde mal sagen
20:42 < tsa> aalllsoo..
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20:42 < rxr> tsa: stop
20:42 < rxr> K Control Center -> Look&Feel -> Shortcuts
20:42 < tsa> als beispiel: kde laeuft grade. $user moechte, dass bei druecken von strg-alt-blah das programm blubb gestartet wird.
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20:42 < tsa> aaaaah!
20:42 < tsa> danke.
20:43 < rxr> tsa: jups c above ;-)
20:43 < holyolli> tsa: $user == "birger"? ;)
20:43 < tsa> jupp...genau dieses.
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20:45 < rxr> tsa: seit wann interessiert du dich fuer KDE ?
20:45 < tsa> rxr: ich mich selber gar nicht, ein kollege von der arbeit hatte gesucht und nix dazu gefunden...
20:46 < huebi> tsa: Was bevorzugst du?
20:47 < tsa> huebi: gnome (wovon ich eigentlich nur das panel nutze) mit sawfish, alternativ twm.
20:47 < tsa> statt gnome-panel koennte ich sicher genauso gut auch das kde-panel oder ein anderes nutzen....aber ich hab mich nunmal einfach an gnome gewoehnt..
20:48 < huebi> Ich benutze Gnome seit ich ROCK Linux auf meinen Rechnern habe. Ich bevorzuge aber KDE.
20:48 < tsa> hehe
20:49 < tsa> ich habe kde das letzte mal als kde 1.x benutzt und fand das scheusslich, seitdem haenge ich bei gnome fest....
20:49 < tsa> primaer wohl, weil ich keine lust habe, mir 20 verschiedene window-manager irgendwo einzurichten und zu konfigurieren...
20:50 < tsa> <- faul
20:50 < rxr> tsa: kde-1 != kde-2
20:50 < rxr> dazwischen liegen Welten!
20:50 < tsa> rxr: ich weiss..
20:50 < rxr> KDE-3 ist so "genial" das sogar ich es jetzt genutze ...
20:51 < tsa> ich habe aber derzeit keine lust, mir ein kde3 zu bauen, nur um es mal kurz anzugucken...
20:51 < rxr> neuer KDE-3.0.1 screenshot: http://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/drock-screens.html
20:51 < tsa> mal schauen, vielleicht irgendwann mal, wenn der 1.7 build laeuft..
20:51 < rxr> kopieren von der Digitalen Kamera auf nen anderen Rechner via scp ;-)
20:51 < rxr> und alles im konqueror ...
20:52 < huebi> tsa: Gnome nervt immer mit diesen "wollen sie das wirklich? Das kann doch nicht ihr Ernst sein!" - Fenstern. Die dann noch auf dem falschen Default stehen. Wie bei M$ Windoofs. Ich hasse dass!!
20:52 < tsa> <hint> je schneller ihr den 1.7 tree fixed, desto eher schau ich mir kde 3 an ;-) </hint>
20:52 * clifford is back (gone 00:26:29)
20:52 < tsa> huebi: hm....hab ich hier nicht...
20:52 < fake> clifford: my home... ?
20:52 < netcrow> huebi: hast dir scho mal evilwm angeguckt, da hast kein geklicke ;-( http://evilwm.sf.net
20:53 < fake> tsa: wo liegt deine DTD?
20:53 < fake> :)
20:53 < huebi> tsa: Das war frueher mal viel uebler mit Gnome.
20:53 < tsa> huebi: jupp..
20:53 < tsa> fake: hm?
20:53 < fake> tsa: deine Document Type Definition von TSAML
20:54 < huebi> netcrow: Jou. So ca vor einem Jahr. Der ist schoen klein. Ich bin aber doch noch ein Maeuseschubser ;-))
20:54 < tsa> fake: *nixraff*
20:54 < netcrow> hehe
20:54 < fake> tsa: egal....
20:55 < tsa> *sigh*
20:55 < fake> tsa: XML?
20:55 < fake> hm...
20:57 < tsa> ich nix xml - bin ich webdesigner oda was? ;)
20:59 * fake back in 5 mins (hopefully)
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21:04 < netcrow> re
21:04 < fake> aw. musch better.
21:04 < fake> -s
21:05 -!- netcrow is now known as net|away
21:07 * fake is away: 30mins or s/th
21:29 < holyolli> http://www.dialog.prima.de/bloedeKatze.jpg (the filename says "stupidcat" ;)
21:31 < tsa> rotfl.
21:32 < huebi> lol
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21:39 * clifford is away: away
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21:41 < tsa> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2030233136   <--- irgendwer ne ahnung, was fuer einen anschluss das teil hat?
21:41 < tsa> ich vermute hd15..
21:43 < huebi> tsa: sieh mal bei sun nach...
21:45 < tsa> huebi: das versuch ich ja schon die ganze zeit...die neue sun webseite ist bloss leider nicht sonderlich intuitiv bedienbar...
21:45 < huebi> sunsolve.sun.de
21:45 < holyolli> tsa: der verkäufer hat noch keine bewertungen
21:46 < huebi> Ich tippe auf 13W3
21:46 < tsa> http://www.sun.com/products-n-solutions/hw/peripherals/monitors.html  <- da sind nen paar, aber der richtige ist nicht dabei..
21:51 < huebi> tsa: http://de.sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Devices/Monitor/MONITOR_TOC.html
21:51 < huebi> tsa: http://de.sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Devices/Monitor/MONITOR_Color_21_Prem_Flat_CRT_xena.html
21:56 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817EAC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:57 < huebi> tsa: koll! alles Sony Monitore. Die sind klasse.
21:57 < tsa> http://de.sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Devices/Monitor/MONITOR_Color_21_Prem_Flat_CRT.html  <- der da scheint es zu sein..
21:58 < tsa> ....xena.html sieht nen bissel anders aus..
21:58 < bluefire> Hat jemand von euch einen Sony GRX318 oder weiß ob und wie Linux da drauf läuft?
21:59 < bluefire> eh... ich meine 316
22:00 < tsa> http://www.monitorworld.com/
22:00 < tsa> schau da mal..
22:01 < huebi> urgs! Mit der Kernelkonfiguration muss ich noch mal so richtig bei. Bei 1.5.16 ext2 als Modul....
22:02 < tsa> sun ist lustig....die wollen 10.000 eur fuer ne ueberholte u60 mit 2x450mhz...ohne monitor.
22:02 < tsa> da kann ich mir nen neues auto von kaufen..
22:02 < holyolli> .oO(und ich 2 bullis ;)
22:02 < huebi> tsa: eins? 
22:02 < SMP> der Vergleich ist nicht besonders wertvoll ;>
22:03 < huebi> SMP: Die Autos haben nicht so einen hohen Wertverlust *g*
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22:03 < SMP> hehe
22:03 < tsa> in der tat..
22:06 * huebi such mal ein Auto. Taxis sind so nervig...
22:06 < tsa> hm...mit zwei u60 mit je 1x 450mhz kommt man sogar noch besser weg...kosten zusammen 200 eur mehr, dafuer hat man dann noch ne leere kiste, ethernet-karte, 2x 9gb platte, ..
22:06 < tsa> komische preisgestaltung..
22:07 < tsa> rxr: was macht deine jack-fixerei? schon nen patch fertig?
22:11 < tsa> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2031497472 <- *sabber geifer habenwill* ;-)
22:11 < huebi> http://www.autoscout24.de/home/index/detail.asp?id=12775228&sc=&make=13&model=1661&pricefrom=&euroto=&zip=&isPopup=1 <- *sabber geifer habenwill* ;-)
22:12 < tsa> bissel wenig ram..
22:12 < tsa> ;)
22:12 < huebi> tsa: so 1-2 MB wird der auch haben...
22:14 < tsa> ..und nen Autorenn-Spiel is auch dabei.
22:14 < holyolli> mh?
22:14 < SMP> aber nur mit sehr wenig continues ;>
22:17 < tsa> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2031706754 <- falls noch wer guenstig ram fuer seine u5 brauchen sollte..
22:17 < tsa> hilft mir selber leider nich weiter...ich hab schon 4x 64mb..
22:25 < huebi> tsa: Das Problem ist, das dieser Speicher einfach alle Steckplaetze blockiert.
22:27 < huebi> http://www.autoscout24.de/home/index/detail.asp?id=12066574&sc=&make=13&model=1661&pricefrom=&euroto=&zip=&isPopup=1 <- Als Autobombe kommt da nur ein bischen Rauch aus den Lueftungsschlitzen ;-))
22:29 < huebi> hmm. keine Standheizung. Schlecht.
22:36 < rxr> tsa: 1.7 mit gcc-3.1 kompiliert nicht ...
22:37 < rxr> ich warte gerade das Cliff's build da ankommt und wir das endlich fixen koennen ...
22:37 < rxr> (ich sagte ja: das dauert noch ein wenig bis ich da wieder ankomme - bau ruhig ohne Jack weiter ...
22:37 < tsa> ok..
22:37 < rxr> )
22:41 * fake is back (gone 01:33:13)
22:48 < aszlig> re
22:48 < aszlig> re fake :)
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23:09 < tsa> re Freak
23:09 < tsa> hi d3mian
23:10 < d3mian> hi all guys
23:10 < Freak> re
23:15 < d3mian> http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~jbusby/images/owned%2520buk.jpg
23:17 < Freak> lol
23:35 < rxr> ???
23:35 < rxr> what's going on here ?!?!?
23:36 < aszlig> ?
23:36 < fake> stop that damn pr0n shit
23:36 < rxr> ACK.
23:37 < aszlig> hmm, pr0n? my client cant handle pr0n ;)
23:37 < holyolli> <aol> /me acks too! </aol>
23:37 < d3mian> why stop?, tsa likes to much
23:37 < d3mian> jk
23:37 < tsa> GRR.
23:37 < tsa> no pr0n in here.
23:37 < fake> ack
23:37 * rxr fetchmailing
23:37 < tsa> this get's logged.
23:37 < tsa> rxr: cron?
23:37 < rxr> tsa: this is your only concern ;-)?
23:38 < d3mian> ok :), i have to leave , cu
23:38 -!- d3mian is now known as d3m|away
23:38 < tsa> rxr: i'm not interested in it, too.
23:38 < rxr> tsa: hm - might be an idea ...
23:38 < rxr> tsa: ACK
23:38 < tsa> i thought it was some funny URL.
23:38 < tsa> */10 * * * * /usr/bin/fetchmail >/dev/null
23:39 < rxr> tsa: I know the cron syntax ;-) Thanks.
23:39 < rxr> I just enabled #gsmp irc-log rsyncing yesterday ...
23:39 < tsa> ah, cool...i always mix up the days stuff..
23:39 < rxr> you missed the user
23:40 < tsa> nope...this is my personal crontab, not an entry in /etc/cron*
23:40 < rxr> ah ok.
23:41 < holyolli> n8
23:41 < rxr> n8 holyolli 
23:41 < tsa> cu holyolli
23:41 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@linus.regehr.net] has quit ("X-Chat: its not for the tabkey impaired!")
23:41 < rxr> cu all - I leave too ...
23:42 < rxr> n8
23:43 < tsa> cu rxr
23:43 < fake> cu!
23:43 < tomik> nite 
23:44 < rolla> no 
23:47 < Freak> no?
23:47 < Freak> want him to stay, huh? ;)
23:47 < rolla> wrong window
23:47 < Freak> hehe
23:47 < Freak> never mind
23:56 < tomik> :)
23:57 -!- d3m|away is now known as d3mian
23:57 < Freak> wb
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