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00:00 < tsa> GNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
00:00 < Freak> janz ruhisch, et läuft..
00:00 < tsa> boogieboy still replacing the damn .cache files on sf cvs.
00:01 < tsa> *sigh*
00:01 < aszlig> tsa: whew, what a groan :P
00:01 * tsa sending another mail to him.
00:02 < tsa> aszlig: yes. .cache files are te be changed by clifford himself only.
00:02 < tsa> s,te,to,
00:02 < aszlig> tsa: senme your gpgkey ;)
00:02 < tsa> address?
00:02 < aszlig> aszlig@stroehmer.de
00:03 < tsa> mail sent.
00:03 < tsa> ok guys. i'm gone for today.
00:03 < tsa> cu tomorrow.
00:03 < aszlig> c'ya
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00:25 < fake> <-- goes to b3d
00:25 < fake> or something
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01:55 < hack^afk> n8
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03:48 < d3mian> somebody will reach the top of entries-go outs in irclog :p
04:01 < lizard> yo :-> guess who..
04:01 < lizard> brb, restarting X
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06:43 < huebi> moin
06:44 < d3mian> guten morgen huebi 
06:48 < d3mian> irssi is so cool, ill switch to in intead abother one. nice
07:48 < d3mian> cu  guys ;)  it's my time to see the costa rica - brasil match ;)
07:49 < d3mian> desire us luck
07:49 < d3mian> cu
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08:20 < rxr> re
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08:29 < uninvited> Moin zusammen !
08:30 < rxr> moin uninvited 
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09:22 < huebi> re
09:23 < rxr> moin huebi 
09:23 < huebi> hi rxr 
09:24 < huebi> heute morgen um 7h01 ist Teledummy-DSL mal wieder weg gewesen.
09:24 < uninvited> aha
09:25 < huebi> und seit 7h54 ist es wieder da...
09:26 < huebi> Die koennen ihre Wartungsarbeiten ja auch mal ankuendigen. Ist ja schliessliche ein "Kommunikations"-Unternehmen ;>
09:28 < uninvited> Waren das Wartungsarbeiten ? Bei uns gibts zur Zeit aehnlich Probleme. Sobald ich versuche mir ne neue IP holen will klappt das nicht sofort. Sieht mir eher nach PeerPoint-Knappheit aus  zumindest hier.
09:29 < huebi> T-Offline sitzt bei mir in Sichtweite (ca 8km). Die Fehlermeldung hat heute gesagt, dass keine Kommunikation moeglich ist. Wenn der Account nicht geht, sieht das anders aus.
09:33 < uninvited> Ah ja. Nun gut.
09:36 < huebi> Wie ich aber aus "wohlinformierten Quellen" weiss, ist T-Offline mit der Kundenverwaltung komplett ueberfordert.
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09:37 < uninvited2> test
09:37 < uninvited2> sodala
09:37 < uninvited2> irssi funzt ;-)
09:38 * uninvited steigt jetzt auf die andere Kiste um...
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09:40 < uninvited2> Kundenbetreuung überfordert ? meinst du diese "WIR HABEN DERZEIT KEINE PROBLEME"-Tanten am Telefon, falls man mal anruft ?
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09:54 < aszlig> dvorak rulez ;) i changed my mapping at work (physically too)
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10:02 < huebi> 10:02 -!- #rocklinux uninvited H   0  ~root@p50803265.dip.t-dialin.net [root]
10:03 < huebi> uninvited: irc mal als normaler Benutzer ;>
10:04 < uninvited> argh - bin noch gewurzelt...moment
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10:14 < huebi> uninvited: Die T-Offliner sind viel zu schnell gross geworden und hatten dieses Wachstum nicht von Anfang an mit eingeplant. Die haben jetzt ein riesiges Problem ihre Kundendatenbank und alles was dort verwaltet wird, in viele verteilte Systeme zu verschieben.  
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10:26 < uninvited> so.
10:26 < uninvited> entwurzelt
10:26 < huebi> uninvited: Die T-Offliner sind viel zu schnell gross geworden und hatten dieses Wachstum nicht von Anfang an mit eingeplant. Die haben jetzt ein riesiges Problem ihre Kundendatenbank und alles was dort verwaltet wird, in viele verteilte Systeme zu verschieben.  
10:27 < uninvited> Ah ja
10:29 < huebi> und dann haben die halt immer noch ihren Beamtenmief: "Hauptsache die Aktenlage ist in Ordnung." Von Kundenservice und Kundenbindung sind die noch weit entfernt.
10:32 < huebi> Gestern habe ich mal 1.5.16 mit booten von einer 1.5.14 CD installiert. Da ist noch viel zu tun. 
10:33 < huebi> Beim Kernelpacket habe ich mir dann irgendwie die Kiste unbootbar gemacht.
10:33 < huebi> Ich werde zusehen, dass das bis Samstag alles fertig ist.
10:34 < uninvited> brav ;-)
10:35 < uninvited> test: http://www.audi.de
10:36 < uninvited> Hmmm, diese skripting funktion...irgendwie gut.
10:36 < uninvited> SCRIPT unload url.pl
10:37 < uninvited> huebi> hast du irssi nun mit eingepackt in die neue Version ?
10:38 < huebi> uninvited: moment.
10:39 < huebi> uninvited: irssi ist noch eine ext. Kommt aber noch in base.
10:40 < uninvited> okay. Hab noch nen weiteren Rechner den ich zusätzlich mit rock ausstatte.
10:41 < uninvited> Dann ist das irssi gleich mit bei.
10:41 < uninvited> das kompilieren hat ja ewig gedauert...
10:41 < uninvited> ;-)
10:44 * uninvited testet /me
10:44 < huebi> Wenn ich bis heute Abend das Kernelpacket zum Laufen bekomme, werde ich morgen 1.5.16 offiziell releasen.
10:47 < uninvited> Ich kuck mir den "Inhalt" gleich mal an...
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10:47 < netcrow> hidiho
10:47 < uninvited> hallo n-crow
10:48 < huebi> moin netcrow ;-)
10:49 < huebi> http://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/ircstat/ <- Look at my Quote! The eyes of a cow. *LOL*
10:50 < netcrow> *ROFL*
10:50 < th> hewhe
10:52 < uninvited> hmmm, unangefochten...der Mann mit der Kuh !
10:52 < uninvited> *G*
10:53 < huebi> I'll change the kernel version to 2.4.18 in the package. It'll be patched to 2.4.18-rc4. I flood essense of the patch ;-)
10:53 < huebi> +       } else {
10:53 < huebi> +               SET_PERSONALITY(elf_ex, ibcs2_interpreter);
10:54 < huebi> That's all!
10:54 < huebi> All code, that is added.
10:55 < th> brauch man flex?
10:55 < th> wenn man nichts compilen will?
10:55 < huebi> flex habe ich noch nie benutzt.
10:56 < huebi> jedenfalls nicht wissendlich ;-)
10:56 < th> was ist mit gettext?
10:57 < th> ich bau grad die liste, die ein kleiner router braucht
10:57 < uninvited> th> router ?
10:57 < huebi> ah ok ;-)
10:57 < uninvited> th> router-only ?
10:58 < th> uninvited: naja noch dns und isdn einwahl
10:58 < huebi> dhcpd?
10:58 < th> naeh
10:58 < th> ich mach alles statisch ;)
10:58 < uninvited> th> gut so ;-)
10:58 < huebi> th: Ich auch. In der dhcpd.conf ;>
10:59 < uninvited> th> ist das der Rock Router wie er auf der seite unter /projects erwäht wird ?
10:59 < th> huebi: hehe
10:59 < uninvited> LOL
10:59 < th> uninvited: nein
11:00 < huebi> th: Kanst du dir auf rocklinux.dyndns.org ansehen ;)
11:00 < huebi> +n
11:00 < th> huebi: ich will ja nicht soviel abhaengigkeit von dem einen dhcpd...
11:00 < uninvited> th> wie gross wird der "router" und gibts den auch zum Download ?
11:00 < th> nun man kann sicher auch backup-server aufsetzen...
11:01 < th> uninvited: das is nur eine simple minimale rock-installation
11:01 < huebi> Funktioniert klasse. Windows installieren, nichts einstellen, neu booten und surfen.
11:01 < netcrow> mit is gestern aufgefallen, man findt die INSTALL doku nimmer auf rocklinux.org, oder ich bin einfach nur zu blöd
11:01 < netcrow> ähh..rocklinux.de
11:02 < th> brauch ich kiss?
11:03 < uninvited> KISS rocks ! ;-)
11:03 < th> specify
11:03 < th> huebi: was issen mit lcap? da gibts nur ein .pz file
11:04 < huebi> th: squid? - Ist doch nur ISDN. Da ist Squid bestimmt sehr sinnvoll.
11:05 < th> huebi: lcap is squid?
11:05 < th> ich halte squid nur fuer sinnvoll wenn man auch ein paar GB cache hinterklemmt
11:05 < huebi> th: nein. Ich habe nur an squid gedacht.
11:05 < huebi> lcap schaue ich mir jetzt an.
11:10 < huebi> LCAP allows a system administrator to remove specific capabilities
11:10 < huebi> from the kernel in order to make the system more secure.
11:10 < huebi> LCAP modifies the value in the sysctl file "/proc/sys/kernel/cap-bound".
11:10 < huebi> For example, if a system administrator wishes to disallow the loading
11:10 < huebi> of kernel modules, the following command line would be executed:
11:10 < huebi>   lcap CAP_SYS_MODULE
11:11 < th> cool
11:11 < th> was es nicht alles gibt
11:12 < huebi> das kann ganz schoen viel. lcap.desc steht jetzt auf meiner Liste.
11:12 < th> und ein lcap.conf? sonst kommts doch nie rein, oder?
11:14 < huebi> root@zeus:/rock-linux# ls dist/var/adm/logs/*lcap*
11:14 < huebi> dist/var/adm/logs/3-lcap.log
11:14 < th> huch
11:14 < th> gibts sowas wie ne standard .conf?
11:14 < th> wenn keine da ist, sozusagen
11:15 < huebi> th: Jo, da sind defaultwerte in Build-Pkg und Build-All
11:15 < huebi> aber der Pfad /usr/sbin/lcap sollte wohl besser /sbin/lcap heissen.
11:16 < huebi> Was mein ihr dazu?
11:16 < th> denke ich auch
11:17 < huebi> lcap.conf steht jetzt auch auf meiner Liste.
11:17 < th> brauch ich ruby eigentlich noch?
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11:23 < th> 107 pakete habe ich jetzt fuer essentiell oder SEHR sinnvoll auf einem dedizierten router befunden
11:24 < th> das ist noch ziemlich viel
11:24 < th> von 279
11:24 < huebi> jo
11:24 < th> vielleicht kann ich at noch rausschmeissen?
11:24 < th> gibts ne dependency at <> cron?
11:24 < huebi> th: at habe ich in den letzten 2 Jahren nur 1x benutzt.
11:25 < huebi> cron ist eigenstaendig.
11:25 < th> abet braucht cron?
11:26 < uninvited> .
11:26 < huebi> cron ist immer gut. fuer fetchmail, logrotate, reboot und nasebohren ;-)))
11:26 < th> www.cvs.rocklinux.de/ ?? das ist neu
11:26 < uninvited> ach du machst das mit cron... ;-)
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11:28 < huebi> root@zeus:/rock-linux# ll dist/rock-linux/tars/ia32-at.tar.bz2 
11:28 < huebi> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        28321 Jun 12 17:33 dist/rock-linux/tars/ia32-at.tar.bz2
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11:29 < huebi> th: 28k fuer at ist nicht so viel
11:29 < th> ich haette gerne eine stelle auf world wo ich mal ein paar dateien hinlegen kann
11:29 < th> huebi: ich habs auch drin gelassen ;)
11:30 < huebi> th: Von Exploids fuer at habe ich auch noch nicht gehoert. Das muss aber nichts heissen.
11:30 < huebi> th: Nimm doch dein ~
11:30 < th> huebi: ich meine ne stelle die per http erreichbar ist.
11:30 < th> huebi: um zum beispiel diese liste public zu machen
11:31 < th> ich koennte irgendwie per rsync was auf .org bringen und auf den naechsten mirror warten
11:31 < huebi> das ist doch eine Idee ;)
11:32 < th> die latenzzeit waere zum kotzen
11:33 < th>   ~/my-rock-dir$ ./maintain.sh down <user-name>
11:33 < th> laut cliff's howto fragt mich das nach einem passwort
11:33 < th> und zwar das rsync
11:33 < th> ich kannkeine angabe finden, dass rsync ssh nehmen soll :-/
11:35 < th> http://www.rocklinux.org/people/maintain.sh ist doch von cliff, oder?
11:40 < huebi> th: jo
11:40 < th> tcp        0      0 segfault.boerde.d:32818 chello21201708102:rsync ESTABLISHED 
11:40 < th> grmpf
11:41 < th> wie force ich da ein ssh?
11:41 < th> RSYNC_RSH=ssh
11:41 < th> tuts nich
11:41 < th> grmpmgrpmfrpgrp
11:42 < th> selbst rsync -e aendert nix
11:43 < th> das macht doch kein ssh auf dem rsync port, oder?
11:47 < th> uninvited: http://delta.boerde.de/~th/base.txt das ist der bisherige stand
11:50 < uninvited> th> werd ich mir gleich geben. thx
11:53 < th> uninvited: kommentare an mich per mail.
11:55 < uninvited> th> ich schau druff und dann th@rocklinux.de
11:56 < th> ack
11:58 < uninvited> th> habs gelesen. Kannst du mir nochmal deine Definition von Router geben ?
11:58 < uninvited> ;-)
11:58 < uninvited> Einfach ein DUMMES STÜCK RECHNER mit I/O-Kontrolle ?
11:59 < uninvited> ;-)
12:00 < th> uninvited: der rechner soll nicht nur router machen
12:00 < uninvited> th> achso.
12:01 < th> auch dns und isdn einwahl
12:01 < uninvited> dachte mir schon was du sonst mit sendmail willst.
12:01 < th> und im endeffekt einen minimalen httpd der ein cgi anbietet zum ein und ausschalten vom internet ;)
12:02 < uninvited> okay. Ich geb mir die liste später nochmal und schau genau durch. Muss los, Nachwuchs ist am verhungern.
12:02 < uninvited> ciao zusammen !"
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12:30 < huebi> Gibt es eine Moeglichkeit, dass ein Benutzer per scp einen Upload auf einen Rechner macht _ohne_ das er eine gueltige shell hat? Authentifizierung moechte ich ueber ~/.ssh/authorized_keys machen. 
12:31 < huebi> scp und sftp schlagen ohne /bin/bash in der /etc/passwd fehl.
12:32 < th> huebi: ich denke nein. ich wuerde dir ssh's chroot dafuer empfehlen ;)
12:32 < huebi> th: Wo finde ich ein Manual ueber ssh's chroot?
12:33 < th> huebi: das it eine funktion vom sshd von ssh.com
12:33 < th> openssh hat das wohl nicht
12:33 < huebi> ok
12:33 < th> das ist ein grund warum ich das original nehme und nicht den openssh abklatsch (der nicht mal ein scp in version 2 hat)
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12:45 * clifford is away: away
12:55 < esden> hi all
12:56 < aszlig> hullo
12:57 < esden> hi aszlig 
13:08 < clifford> Ein ROCK Linux Entwickler ist beim Arzt. Sag der Mediziner: "Es tut mir schrecklich leid, aber sie haben nur noch 6monate zu leben." Entgegnet der ROCK Entwickler: "Oh mein Gott! Wovon denn?"
13:08 * clifford released snapshot 200206131233.
13:08 * clifford is back (gone 00:23:22)
13:14 < esden> clifford: argh ...
13:14 < clifford> esden: ?
13:15 < esden> ja ich habe gerade was runtergeladen ...
13:15 < esden> clifford: puhh ... dass ist schon der snap ...
13:15 < esden> gott sei dank
13:16 < esden> ich habe schon gedacht dass ich den um sonnst runtergeladen habe ...
13:16 < esden> clifford: der witz ist echt gut !
13:16 < esden> clifford: kannst du die mailingliste rock-curiosa einrichten ? dass waehre der richtige platz fuer sowas ...
13:17 < esden> oder poste es an rock-ports ... da kommen ziemlich oft aehnliche sachen ... dank rippy ;-)
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13:35 < holyolli> moin
13:35 < esden> hi holyolli 
13:35 < holyolli> huhu esden
13:36 < holyolli> esden: did you test the rock-cd from linuxtag?
13:36 < holyolli> i think we should make a list of known problems in order to fix them..
13:37 < esden> holyolli: not yet -> no time :-(((
13:37 < holyolli> oh
13:38 < esden> holyolli: I hope to give it a try this weekend
13:38 < holyolli> esden: o.k. - then i try to write down some known issues
13:38 < esden> holyolli: sure
13:38 < holyolli> cause some problems are quiet severe
13:38 < praenti> hi
13:39 < holyolli> hi praenti
13:39 < esden> drollig: http://simon.pscherer.bei.t-online.de/pics/Francais_sux.PNG
13:39 < esden> hi brand
13:39 < praenti> clifford: lol
13:39 < holyolli> *lol*
13:40 < esden> holyolli: I know ... for example the not booting kernel ... :-(
13:40 < praenti> esden: das is ja einer von meiner ehem. schule
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13:41 < esden> praenti: echt ... cool
13:41 < holyolli> esden: exactly. as i already mentioned - 2.4.17 with the same config works great
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13:41 < holyolli> muuuh huebi ;)
13:41 < esden> holyolli: yepp ...
13:41 < praenti> esden: da steht csg drüber
13:41 < esden> huep huebi_ 
13:41 < esden> praenti: stimmt
13:43 < esden> muahahaha die lxtag gallery von jocelin ist echt geil geworden ! ;-)
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13:43 < esden> ich habe mich krank gelacht
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13:43 < esden> re huebi ??
13:43 < huebi> esden: jo
13:43 < esden> ahh *knuddel* ;-(
13:43 < esden> argh
13:43 < esden> i mean :-)
13:43 < huebi> hihi
13:44 < huebi> ;-))
13:44 < esden> I hate this laptop keyboard ..
13:44 < holyolli> http://reimari.saunalahti.fi/~jylppy69/Rotating_Circles.jpg 
13:45 < praenti> hi huebi 
13:46 < praenti> holyolli: wie geht das?
13:47 < esden> holyolli: dass ist krank!
13:47 < esden> holyolli: ich mag es ;-) 
13:47 * -> esden moving his head back and forth
13:47 * holyolli wants to have a webcam for esden *fg*
13:47 < esden> holyolli: noooo!!! *run*
13:48 < holyolli> .oO(must look funny...esden in university moving his head to and back from the monitor ;)
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13:49 < praenti> lol
13:50 < huebi> http://reimari.saunalahti.fi/~jylppy69/dots.jpg <- More food for esden ;-)
13:51 < praenti> holyolli: da tut mir das genick nach ner zeit weh...
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13:51 < praenti> arg. der unkt is irgendwie schneller ...
13:51 < esden> holyolli: yes it looks funny ... all people ar looking at me pretty confused
13:52 < praenti> s/unkt/punkt
13:52 < esden> re SMP 
13:52 < praenti> re SMP 
13:52 < holyolli> esden: *g*
13:54 < esden> *blinzel* *blinzel* bin ich jetzt bloed oder was? die punkte blinken... ich habe gedacht dass man in jpeg nicht animationen speichern kann ...
13:54 < huebi> *LOOL*
13:54 < holyolli> hehe
13:56 < esden> ich bin von wahrnsinnigen umgeben ... lasst mich hier raus *an_gitterstreben_ruettel*
13:59 < holyolli> esden: just type "/leave #rocklinux" - thats all ;-)
14:00 < huebi> holyolli: und wer zaehlt dann Mathildas Auftritte? ;)
14:00 < esden> holyolli: I can not ... my irssi is logging the channel ...
14:01 < esden> huebi: arghsl 
14:01 < esden> ;-)
14:01 < huebi> ;)
14:02 < esden> cu all 
14:02 < esden> cu l8er
14:02 < huebi> cu esden ;-)
14:03 < holyolli> cu esden
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14:16 < bluefire> Moin
14:17 < holyolli> hi bluefire
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14:50 < rxr> re
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14:55 * fake has his SGI Challenge S
14:56 < fake> *jumps_around*
14:56 < fake> donated byyyyyy: rolla!
14:56 < fake> (including serial cable and AUI connector. wohoo!)
14:56 < holyolli> hehe
14:56 < SMP> weeeh
14:57 < huebi> Herzlichen Glueckwunsch, fake ;-)
14:57 < fake> amazing. less then 3 days from St. Louis, MO, US to DE....
14:57 < fake> that's better than in german internally
14:58 < huebi> fake: That's a normal time if you have a good expeditor ;-)
14:59 < fake> DHL
14:59 < huebi> 6 motorcycles from NY to Frankfurt in 30h is also possible without any extra costs
14:59 < huebi> DHL is fine
15:00 < fake> and the best is - it was free!
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15:11 < rolla> that is crazy 
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15:18 < term_emu> ho
15:19 -!- Bevin [~gbevin@213-193-176-17.adsl.easynet.be] has joined #rocklinux
15:19 < Bevin> hi all
15:19 < rxr> hi Bevin 
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15:26 < holyolli> hi Bevin
15:26 < holyolli> hi freak
15:27 < Bevin> Is rocklinux still on the lookout for a package manager that correctly handles dependencies and such while compiling fro source?
15:28 < Freak> re
15:31 < holyolli> Bevin: you're using rock-1.5?
15:31 < Bevin> holyolli: no
15:31 < Bevin> holyolli: i'm not using rock anymore, I'm just inquiring about this
15:31 < rxr> Bevin: we do not need a package manager for having dependencies for compiling from source ...
15:32 < fake> but a lseek-capable format of the packages generated.
15:32 < rxr> the build scripts will handle this in some days though ...
15:32 < rxr> fake: jups - for the binary installation
15:33 < fake> eh-he.
15:33 < Bevin> rxr: how are dependencies handled now in rock then?
15:40 < rxr> the handling is not yet finished ...
15:40 < rxr> they are auto-generated on a reference build
15:40 < Bevin> aaah the precedence number is still in place to determine the order according to which the packages are installed
15:41 < rxr> they are used for cluster builds - and will be used for an emerge style package source compilation and our binary installation installer ...
15:42 < Bevin> rxr: so does rocklinux resolve deps if you want to install a package from source that is missing libraries?
15:44 < holyolli> huebi?
15:44 < huebi> holyolli: jo?
15:45 < holyolli> huebi: wie sieht das mit dem display aus?
15:46 < huebi> holyolli: It came back home today. I can send it to you tomorrow.
15:47 < holyolli> huebi: dann mail mir doch bitte mal deine bankverbindung... ;)
15:47 < huebi> holyolli: jo.
15:48 < rxr> Bevin: in some days: yes
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15:49 < Bevin> rxr: I suppose you just explained how it worked, but I didn't quite understand it, care to explain more?
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15:50 < rxr> Bevin: You remeber our flist warapper ?
15:50 < holyolli> re
15:50 < Bevin> rxr: yes
15:50 < rxr> Bevin: now use this (or strace) for read files, too
15:51 < Bevin> rxr: ok, so you auto detect which package uses which file
15:51 < rxr> this way we can lookup each read/accessed file and get the package it was from (.h .so, ... files)
15:51 < Bevin> rxr: and match that against the contents of each package
15:51 < rxr> This way we have dependencies which are cached in the package .cache files from a reference build
15:52 < rxr> so by simply extending our build script the Build-Pkg script can build all needed packages on need
15:52 < rxr> these dependencies are allready used for cluster builds ...
15:52 < Bevin> rxr: and you pre-generate that before providing the package tree I suppose
15:52 < rxr> and will be used for auto-compiling (resolving dependencies) and the binary installation
15:53 < Bevin> rxr: sounds interesting
15:53 < rxr> Bevin: the dependencies are generated in an "Reference Build" where everything is build and so the packages also use all optinal dependencies ...
15:53 < rxr> the thing is, that we do not want to hardcode as much as the gentoo people do ... 
15:54 < Bevin> rxr: got an url where this is already available?
15:54 < Bevin> rxr: 2.0 release?
15:54 < rxr> so we do as much automatically as possible (this is why ROCK had no dependencies in the past -_we simply lacked the idea of to generate them - although is rather easy now...)
15:54 < rxr> the 1.7 tree already generate the dependencies
15:55 < Bevin> rxr: thanks for the info
15:55 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.org/pics/screenshot_parasim.jpg <- simulation of an cluster build based on the dependencies and build times
15:56 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.org/sources/package/base/bzip2/bzip2.cache <- an autogenerated .cache file
15:57 < rxr> some [DEP] 's need to by fixed. e.g. every package depends on hylafax - there must be a strange file somewhere ...
15:58 < Bevin> rxr: and fl_wrapper.c has been updated to do this?
15:59 < rxr> jups - simply tracking read access, too
15:59 < clifford> rxr: I've solved the perl5 problem.
15:59 < rxr> but we have the possibility to use strace, too ...
15:59 < rxr> clifford: HI! - Nice! What was the problem ?
16:00 < clifford> Perl5 (and opther packages) where passing -I/usr/local/include to gcc
16:00 < rxr> and ?
16:00 < clifford> That caused gcc3 to output warnings (usr/local/include is already system include directory)
16:00 < clifford> The warnings caused checks to fail which shouldn't fail...
16:01 < rxr> oh ah ..
16:01 < clifford> Now I'm using the CC_WRAPPER to always remove -I/usr/local/include from the option list
16:01 < rxr> hm. ok
16:02 < rxr> clifford: can you send me the hylafax flist of your last reference build ?
16:02 < rxr> I would like to know why all packages depend on this package ...
16:03 < clifford> hmm ... wait a minute ..
16:04 < clifford> http://www.rocklinux.org/projects/rock20/result-2002-06-03.tar.bz2
16:04 < rxr> clifford: I have extracted some gcc3 patches for gcc3 - because I hoped they fix this "perl5" issue ...
16:04 < rxr> should we use some of them - otherwise I'll delete them now ...
16:04 < rxr> the patches are all from red hat and SuSE anyway ...
16:05 < rxr> These are:
16:05 < rxr> rene@jackson:~/develop/rock/rock-src-1.7-working/package/base/gcc3 > ls gcc31*
16:05 < rxr> gcc31-attr-visibility.patch   gcc31-fold-const.patch              gcc31-pr6643.patch
16:05 < rxr> gcc31-attr-visibility2.patch  gcc31-fold-const2.patch             gcc31-test-rotate.patch
16:05 < rxr> gcc31-fdata-sections.patch    gcc31-i386-expand-clrstr.patch      gcc31-trunc_int_for_mode.patch
16:05 < rxr> gcc31-fde-merge-compat.patch  gcc31-i386-malign-double-doc.patch
16:06 < clifford> hylafax includes etc/{group,passwd,shadow}{,-}
16:06 < rxr> ah
16:06 < clifford> I'd guess it's making a useradd and groupadd ...
16:06 < SMP> (hylafax sucks big times)
16:06 < rxr> clifford: I'll fix hylafax then
16:06 < rxr> SMP: ACK
16:07 < rxr> *lol*: from hylafax.conf:
16:07 < rxr> # ---- Hylafax expects user and group 'uucp'
16:07 < rxr> if ! grep "^uucp:" /etc/passwd ; then
16:07 < rxr>   useradd -c "Fax User" uucp
16:07 < rxr> fi
16:07 < rxr> if ! grep "^uucp:" /etc/group ; then
16:07 < rxr>   groupadd uucp
16:07 < rxr> fi
16:07 < rxr> not suprising ...
16:07 < rxr> +r
16:08 < clifford> Ouch!
16:09 < rxr> I fix this in a minute ...
16:09 < clifford> thanks.
16:09 < SMP> erm
16:09 < SMP> is there a policy for /dev/tts/* permissions already?
16:09 < SMP> there isn't much sense in fixing without one
16:10 < rxr> SMP: ? policy for /dev/tts/* ?
16:11 < SMP> ever thought about _why_ hylafax insists on a uucp user?
16:11 < rxr> no ...
16:11 < rxr> why
16:11 < rxr> ?
16:11 < huebi> We also need that for minicom.
16:11 < rxr> the setup.d script could create the user ...
16:12 < SMP> because that's (traditionally and wrongly) the user or group (matter of policy) who owns the tty devices
16:13 < rxr> tty or tts ?
16:13 < SMP> IMHO there should be a 'serial' group and a 'hylafax' user
16:13 < SMP> with the ttys being root.serial and 660
16:13 < rxr> SMP:  we could also introduce a video, sound and cdwrite group ...
16:14 < SMP> rxr: /dev/tts/* is a subset of the possible tty devies
16:14 < SMP> well..
16:14 < SMP> and _that_ needs a policy
16:15 < huebi> We definitly need a sound group to avoid some misuse of the microphone.
16:15 * fake drives home, testing Challenge S ;)
16:15 < Bevin> rxr: thanks for the information, it was insightful
16:15 < huebi> cu fake 
16:15 < SMP> huebi: in reality it doesn't gain you anything ;)
16:15 < huebi> SMP: Why?
16:15 < SMP> if you treat it as a supplemental group for anyone who logs in at the console
16:16 < SMP> (only then)
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16:16 < SMP> (which is the usual approach)
16:16 < sphaera> hello.
16:16 < holyolli> hi sphaera
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16:17 < sphaera> hey holyolli
16:17 < huebi> hi sphaera 
16:17 < sphaera> hi.. 
16:17 < huebi> root@zeus:~# ll /dev/sound/
16:17 < huebi> crwxrwxrwx    1 root     root      14,   3 Jan  1  1970 dsp
16:17 < huebi> crwxrwxrwx    1 root     root      14,  19 Jan  1  1970 dsp1
16:17 < huebi> crwxrwxrwx    1 root     root      14,   2 Jan  1  1970 midi
16:17 < huebi> crwxrwxrwx    1 root     root      14,   0 Jan  1  1970 mixer
16:17 < rxr> huebi: ouch
16:17 < huebi> that's normal on RedHat IIRC
16:18 < rxr> and x ???
16:18 < huebi> or mode 666
16:18 < SMP> <1>stefanp@lolita[~](506)$ grep -E 's(ou)?nd' /etc/devfsd.conf 
16:18 < SMP> REGISTER ^snd/         PERMISSIONS -1.93 660
16:18 < SMP> REGISTER ^sound/       PERMISSIONS -1.93 660
16:18 < SMP> LOOKUP   ^dsp$         CFUNCTION GLOBAL symlink sound/dsp $devpath
16:18 < SMP> LOOKUP   ^mixer$       CFUNCTION GLOBAL symlink sound/mixer $devpath
16:19 < SMP> so what about /dev/tts/* now?
16:20 < SMP> any opinions?
16:20 < huebi> An extra group I would say
16:20 < rxr> jups serial
16:21 < huebi> rxr: ACK
16:21 < SMP> ok. and a 'hylafax' user for hylafax?
16:22 < SMP> (why does a console-group not gain any security in reality; login at the console once: cp /bin/sh ~ ; chgrp audio sh ; chmod g+s sh
16:23 < SMP> and be in the group any time you want)
16:24 < rxr> SMP: this commands work if you are not in the audio group ?
16:25 < SMP> as I said, the usual approach is to temporarily add such groups for users who log in at the console
16:26 < SMP> $ whoami
16:26 < SMP> stefanp
16:26 < SMP> $ id stefanp
16:26 < SMP> uid=1000(stefanp) gid=100(users) groups=100(users)
16:26 < SMP> $ groups
16:26 < SMP> users console floppy audio cdrom
16:26 < SMP> $ grep floppy /etc/login.defs 
16:26 < SMP> CONSOLE_GROUPS          console:floppy:audio:cdrom
16:27 < SMP> it's a nice approach, but it doesn't work ;)
16:27 < holyolli> *hm* http://www.gentoo.org/
16:27 < huebi> hmmm. SMP, do you have a solution for that problem?
16:28 < rxr> holyolli: and?
16:28 < rxr> site down ?
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16:28 < rxr> no
16:29 < SMP> huebi: it's impossible to solve with UNIX permissions
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16:30 < holyolli> rxr: nope - but a "nice to know"
16:32 < rxr> holyolli: you discovered gentoo just now ?
16:32 < Freak> heh
16:32 < Freak> finally someone who knew gentoo _before_ rock ;)
16:32 < Freak> ahm
16:32 < Freak> the other way round
16:32 < huebi> SMP: I must test that at home. I did not fully understand that right now.
16:32 < Freak> finally someone who knew rock _before_ gentoo ;)
16:33 < rxr> Freak: most here know ROCK _before_ gento ... ?!?
16:33 < rxr> ROCK was started arround 1998 ...
16:33 < Freak> well
16:33 < huebi> SMP: Do you have some more examples from the inside of your devfs.conf?
16:33 < Freak> in here maybe.
16:33 < rxr> clifford: hylafax fixed (I hope not broken) - maybe you could update the sf repository ?
16:34 < sphaera> produktivsein.
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16:34 < Freak> but as I told you.. I think gentoo has the become more popular than rock has.. at least until now
16:34 < rxr> Freak: this will change ...
16:34 < Freak> I don't mean it as a judgement - it's just an impression
16:35 < Freak> yup, you said that before ;)
16:35 < Freak> and I don't doubt it
16:35 < SMP> huebi: no, that about all I use in devfsd.conf
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16:39 < rxr> LOOKUP snd/* MODLOAD
16:39 < rxr> REGISTER snd/.* PERMISSIONS root.sound 660
16:39 < rxr> LOOKUP sound/* MODLOAD
16:39 < rxr> REGISTER sound/.* PERMISSIONS root.sound 660
16:39 < rxr> LOOKUP v4l/* MODLOAD
16:39 < rxr> REGISTER v4l/.* PERMISSIONS root.video 660
16:39 < rxr> # REGISTER scsi/host0/bus0/targetX/lun0/generic PERMISSIONS root.cdwrite 660
16:39 < rxr> # allow floppy access for users (at least with mtools)
16:39 < rxr> # REGISTER floppy/.* PERMISSIONS root.users 660
16:39 < rxr> # nice trick to autoload gpm for USB mices
16:39 < rxr> #REGISTER   input/mouse0              EXECUTE /usr/sbin/gpm -t imps2 -3 -m $devpath
16:39 < rxr> #UNREGISTER input/mouse0              EXECUTE /usr/sbin/gpm -k
16:40 < rxr> I would not use the gpm hack ...
16:40 < SMP> nice idea tho
16:41 < rxr> (random parts of the dRock devfsd.conf ...)
16:41 < huebi> I want to have many more examples in the config files of ROCK. That makes the living of stressed sysadmins and beginners much more easyer
16:42 < rxr> jups the dRock ones are in 1.7 ...
16:42 < SMP> rxr: 'mouse' -> 'mice'. not 
16:42 < SMP> 'mices'
16:42 < SMP> ;-)
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16:43 < SMP> (/dev/input/mice *rules* btw. ;>)
16:43 < rxr> SMP: ;-) sure thx for the typo correction - was not from me anyway ..
16:44 < rxr> /dev/input/mice is "ok" - but I wanna have several unique keyboard and mice setups in Linux 2.5.x -> so /dev/input/mouse? is what I'll use ...
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16:48 < holyolli> cu later
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16:49 < huebi> re
16:49 < huebi> [screen caught signal 11.] <- uiuiuiui
16:51 < SMP> huh
16:53 < huebi> I have to leave in a few minutes to catch the train home...
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16:59 < huebi> cu
16:59 < netcrow> hi
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17:00 < praenti> cu huebi 
17:01 < th> some HP freaks in here?
17:01 < th> cya huebi 
17:01 < praenti> th: only have a damaged omnibook 4150b
17:01 < th> i seem to habe some acl problems
17:01 < praenti> th: and they want 900 EUR for a new one from me...
17:01 < th> trying to install some software
17:01 < praenti> *grml*
17:02 < th> no permissions to access software depot...
17:02 < th> they point me to use swacl-command
17:02 < th> in some log files i read about problems to resolve the hostname
17:02 < th> but as i can see the hostname resolves very fine
17:02 < rxr> clifford: jups perl5 works now ;-) !!! Thanks!
17:06 * clifford is away: coding on www.diestartseite.at
17:10 < netcrow> praenti: what was happend with your omnibook?
17:11 < praenti> netcrow: i told you already i think. there's a transistor in the temperature control exploded
17:12 < netcrow> oha
17:13 < praenti> so i need a new mainboard or s.b. who can build me a new temperature control for the heat sink
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17:13 < netcrow> hm, ask erdi ;)=
17:14 < praenti> then i get it for 700 EUR and thats also too expensive
17:15 < th> any idea where to get HPUX knowledge?
17:15 < praenti> i need s.b. who has a better connection to hp
17:16 < netcrow> praenti: do you have still a "Garantie"?
17:17 < praenti> no
17:20 < rolla> th: www.hp.com ;)
17:27 < netcrow> praenti: gehst heut aktivenrunde?
17:28 * rxr rebooting because of a half missing /proc
17:30 -!- newbie1 [~marco@chello213047245070.tirol.surfer.at] has joined #rocklinux
17:30 < newbie1> hi...
17:31 < praenti> netcrow: mail gelesen?
17:31 < newbie1> hm.. auch mal deutsche hier..? ;)
17:34 < newbie1> hm.. als FreeBSD user wird der umstieg (zumindest ma testn) auf RockLinux hart werdn... oda?
17:35 < lizard> newbie1: nicht wirklich
17:35 < newbie1> gibts da windowmaker oder so? eh oda?
17:35 < newbie1> es heißt ja zur installation braucht ma n laufendes system.. reicht freebsd?
17:36 < lizard> newbie1: wenn du die .iso installierst.. klar :)
17:37 < lizard> klar .. braucht man keins..
17:37 < Freak> hä??
17:37 < newbie1> also mit ner iso brauch ich net mal n rennendes OS ..?
17:37 < Freak> ich installier rock auf ner freebsd-kiste? ;)
17:37 < Freak> also selbst wenns geht - macht das sinn?!
17:37 < newbie1> na ;) ..
17:37 < lizard> Freak: nein es geht nicht *verleser*
17:37 < Freak> hehehe
17:37 < newbie1> sag ma so ich will rocklinux ma ausprobiern
17:38 < lizard> newbie1: ja klar :)
17:38 < newbie1> soll ja angeblich rocken ;)
17:38 < Freak> muha
17:38 < Freak> rm -rf / && cdeinlegen && reboot
17:38 < newbie1> lol... so gehts auch .. 
17:39 < lizard> newbie1: das einfachste ist, mach dir eine Rock .iso drauf. wenns gefaellt, kompilier dir dein eigenes. fun garantiert.. ;-)
17:39 < newbie1> ok werd i machn ;) 
17:39 < newbie1> wennst es selbst kompiliertst, dauert das wirklich so lang?
17:40 < newbie1> auf nem 600er athlon 2 -3 tage
17:40 < lizard> newbie1: kommt drauf an wieviele packete. aber es lohnt sich
17:40 < Freak> wenn dir das zu lange dauert dann nimm keine rock .. mensch
17:41 < lizard> hey Freak, mach keine antiwerbung
17:41 < lizard> ;->
17:41 < newbie1> Freak: beruhig dich ma ;) .. hat ja niemand gesagt das es mir zu lang dauert
17:41 < Freak> lizard: löl
17:41 < Freak> ;)
17:41 < Freak> newbie1: bin ganz ruhig, du interpretierst unruhe in meine aussage ;)
17:42 < Freak> -> das war nich böse gemeint sondern nur "dann bleibt dir eben keine andre wahl"
17:42 < newbie1> aso.. dann passts ;) tschuldigung..
17:43 < praenti> ohh mann. diese diskussion erinnert mich an meinen anfang
17:43 < praenti> ;-)
17:46 < newbie1> lol.. eben ;) jeder faengt mal an ... *hrhr*
17:46 < rxr> we also have very nice precompiled ISOs.
17:46 < Freak> that was mentioned before ;)
17:46 < rxr> and you have still the advantage of an optimized / clean dist ;-)
17:47 < rxr> Freak: /me was gebooting ...
17:47 < Freak> mmhh..
17:48 < praenti> newbie1: das selber compilieren braucht man nicht unbedingt. hat aber merklichen speed vorteil
17:48 < rxr> Freak: not because a Linux bug ;-) - only because my 1.7 work removed half of my /proc ...
17:48 < rxr> I should really start to use ./scripts/Cleanup ...
17:48 < newbie1> jojo das kommt dann mal ..
17:48 < Freak> rxr: hehehe
17:49 < praenti> newbie1: wenn du selber compilieren willst installier die vorher eines unserer isos. empfehlenswert sind drock (rxr hilf mir mal bei der version) und 1.5.14/15/16 weiß im moment nicht was huebi gebaut hat
17:50 < praenti> newbie1: auf den anderen distris gehts meistens nicht, weil die pakete verpatched sind ;-)
17:50 < newbie1> hm. und wo finde ich EURE distris?
17:50 < rxr> dRock-1.6.0-rc3
17:50 < praenti> nicht unsere sonderen denen ihre. z.b. redhat wenns du die kennst
17:50 < Freak> zu diesem thema... ;) -> http://news.LinuxForce.de/?id=284
17:50 < rxr> 1.6.0 will be out next week
17:51 < Freak> *duck*
17:51 < newbie1> thnx
17:51 < rxr> cool
17:51 < rxr> ausser das ROCK Linux mal wieder falsch geschrieben ist ...
17:53 < praenti> ich versteh nicht warum die das auch wieder zusammengeschrieben haben
17:53 < newbie1> Directory: ROCK-1.5.12/ .. <- falsche vers. oda?
17:53 < praenti> newbie1: is schon ein bißchen ältlicher
17:54 < Freak> rxr: Erbsenzähler
17:55 < praenti> http://download.rocklinux.de/1.5.13/
17:55 * rxr ? -> immer
17:55 < praenti> da is ein 1.5.13 iso. das war meines wissens ein ganz gutes
17:56 < newbie1> praenti wo? 
17:56 < lizard> newbie1: http://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/unstable/1.6.0-rc3/ <- dRock (mit KDE 3.0, etc. scheint ziemlich stable). und http://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.15/ <- das aktuelle.
17:56 < Freak> rxr: hehe
17:56 < Freak> *änder*
17:56 < praenti> oder das nehmen
17:56 < rxr> praenti: soll ich denen mailen ? Mit info zur richtigen Schreibesie ?
17:56 < newbie1> *g* das wuerdest nun nehmen ? die aktuelle oder die "stable" ?
17:57 < praenti> newbie1: stable is keine. weils ungerade zahlen sind
17:57 < Freak> rxr: fixed.
17:57 * lizard sagte "scheint .. stable" ;-)
17:57 < praenti> Freak: du seiten ersteller?
17:58 < newbie1> und ich habe das stable mit den "" ausgestattet ;)
17:58 < Freak> praenti: ich labersack
17:59 < praenti> newbie1: im moment würd ich dir auch eher zum drock raten, da unser rock 1.5er tree im moment ein paar kleine macken hat
17:59 < rxr> ah wurde ja schon korrigiert ;-)
17:59 < praenti> newbie1: es gibt einen 1.5.16 build. den hat allerdings nur der huebi. in ein paar stunden sollte er auch wieder da sein
18:00 < rxr> a Danke Freak ;-)!
18:00 < praenti> vielleicht kannst du von ihm eine iso kriegen
18:00 < newbie1> ok ich habs .. werd mir die unstable mal runterladen
18:00 < newbie1> danke
18:00 * praenti muss jetzt. altmuehlnet hat einen mysqler vom linuxtag abgeschleppt und der darf ein vortrag machen ;-)
18:01 < praenti> cya
18:01 < newbie1> bye
18:01 < Freak> rxr: pas de probleme
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18:05 < bluefire> Moin
18:12 < rxr> Frage, sollte das fuer eine Artikelbewerbung im Linux-Magazin reichen?:
18:12 < rxr> Nach einem Gesprdch mit Tom Schwaller auf dem LinuxTag 2002 und als
18:12 < rxr> einer der Entwickler von ROCK Linux w|rde ich die Themenvielfalt in
18:12 < rxr> Ihrem Linux Magazin gerne durch einen Artikel |ber die aktuelle ROCK
18:12 < rxr> Linux Eentwickler-Serie 1.7 (aka 2.0) anreichern.
18:12 < rxr> + the usual URL stuff ...
18:13 < rxr> ping
18:15 < lizard> klingt gut
18:16 < lizard> Freak: kennst du Leute vom Linux Magazin?
18:16 < Freak> per email, den Andreas Grytz
18:17 < Freak> getroffen hab ich ihn nich..
18:17 < lizard> Freak: weil hab deinen Namen letztens da gelesen ;)
18:17 < Freak> ja, seite 85 *g
18:17 < rxr> ich habe Tom Schwaller auf dem Linux Tag getroffen ;-)
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18:17 < Freak> aber der is doch weg, nichtoder
18:18 < netcrow> praenti: still here?
18:18 < rxr> Freak: Du hast was im Linux Magazin geschrieben ?
18:18 < Freak> nein
18:18 < Freak> noch nicht..
18:20 < rxr> ? Und wer hate wessen Namen dann wo gelesen ?
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18:22 < hackbard> hi!
18:22 < lizard> rxr: ich Freak's Namen im Zusammenhang mit  LinuxForce.de .. glaub  ich
18:23 < lizard> hi hackbard, hi ringo78 
18:23 < Freak> lizard: im zusammenhang..?
18:23 < Freak> weiss garnet.. *nachschau*
18:23 < lizard> Freak: oder www.linuxcommunity.de  ... ?
18:23 < Freak> neenee mein name & linuxforce.de stehen auf LC
18:23 < Freak> aber nich im heft
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18:23 < Freak> da steht nur der name..
18:23 < Freak> konkurrenz is evil.
18:24 < Freak> & vorallem is platz teuer ;)
18:24 * rxr email to linuxmagazin.de out ...
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18:26 < rxr> LOL!
18:26 < rxr> Solymosi: Objektorientiertes Plug and Play (Vieweg) - f|r Programmieranfdnger
18:27 < rxr> ^- Mein Prof den ich _staendig_ korrigieren muss!!! Das Buch will ich nicht sehen *g*
18:27 < Freak> rxr: wat studierstn du? (info/fh, wa)
18:28 < snyke> servas
18:31 < rxr> Freak: Technische Informatik ...
18:31 < Freak> omg es wird ja immer besser ;)
18:33 < rxr> w3 (wie wo was) wird besser ?
18:34 < Freak> n3 (nixnixnix) schon ok *gg
18:34 < Freak> (hatte wirklich keine tiefere bedeutung jetzt ;)
18:35 * snyke @ downloading rock :)
18:35 < rxr> ;-)
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18:40 < tsa> tag
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18:42 < hackbard> hi tsa
18:43 < hackbard> rxr: btw, build failed already with ash (stage3) , cuz of undeclared `tokpushback'
18:44 < rxr> hi tsa 
18:45 < hackbard> oh, already submitted to rock list ..
18:45 < rxr> hackbard: ?
18:45 < rxr> hm
18:45 < hackbard> http://www.rocklinux.org/mailing-list/rock-linux/2001-7/18.html
18:45 < rxr> hackbard: clifford fixed the gcc3 issue ;-) So i'll see soon ;-)
18:45 < hackbard> so perl will compile probably now?
18:46 < rxr> jups
18:46 < hackbard> oh, or is it properly? :)
18:47 < tsa> rxr: nice mail to the list.
18:47 < tsa> ..but my rock-cvs inbox tells me boogieboy is still replacing the .cache files..
18:47 < tsa> *sigh*
18:48 < tsa> if he doesn't stop this, we might have to consider excluding him from cvs access. i don't want to do all work twice..
18:51 < rxr> tsa: the modification on sf cvs where before my mail - at least I do not have new ones ...
18:51 < tsa> mom.
18:51 < tsa> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:52:42 -0700
18:51 < tsa>  
18:51 < tsa> (cache)
18:52 < tsa> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:51:12 +0200 (CEST)
18:52 < tsa> your mail.
18:52 < tsa> ok..
18:52 < tsa> anyway...i hope he stops this now.
18:56 < rxr> I hope too - another thing might be - that his sf mail account is not forwareded correctly ... ?
18:58 < rxr> So Diode und Ladebuchse an meinem self-made Laptop Akku ersatz ;-)=
19:00 < Freak> löl
19:00 < Freak> mach foto
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19:00 < tsa> hi armijn
19:00 < armijn> re
19:00 < armijn> hi
19:01 < armijn> http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/caffeine/5a65.shtml <-- sick
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19:01 < tsa> caffeinated soap?
19:01 < tsa> urgh.
19:02 < armijn> yeah
19:02 < tsa> i'm not supposed to eat my soap, am i?
19:02 < tsa> ;)
19:02 < armijn> no no :)
19:02 < armijn> the caffeine is absorbed "through the skin"
19:02 < tsa> i don't think that caffeine will be assimilated through the skin very good..
19:02 < tsa> ah
19:03 < Freak> nice tho ;)
19:03 < armijn> evil
19:03 < Freak> hehe
19:06 < armijn> hmm...no huebi?
19:09 < huebi> re
19:09 < tsa> hehe
19:09 < tsa> hi huebi
19:09 < huebi> hi tsa 
19:09 < huebi> hi armijn 
19:09 < huebi> ;-)
19:09 < armijn> hi huebi
19:10 < armijn> huebi: ehrm, I thought you'd send me a CD with sources...
19:10 < armijn> huebi: you forgot?
19:11 < huebi> no. hmm. I have to ask the in house post office at work...
19:11 < armijn> weird.
19:11 * armijn sees huebi getting a CD and burning all the sources ;-)
19:11 < armijn> you did send it to the right address?
19:11 < rxr> hm - now I have to find a way to get the remaining capacity of the accu ;-) (later)
19:12 < rxr> hackbard: my build is at xfree86 now ...
19:12 < rxr> ghostscript and memtest86 failed
19:13 < armijn> rxr: what platform?
19:13 < rxr> intel
19:13 < armijn> ah
19:13 < rxr> ;-)
19:13 < huebi> http://chemdat.merck.de/cat/web2.zoom_in?text=102584&screen=110&cid=-935075694&pg=1&s=caffeine&lang=4 <- A local Company. I ask them for a price. 
19:13 < armijn> I wonder if I disabled memtest86 for sparc...
19:14 < huebi> armijn: can you give me your adress again?
19:14 < rxr> armijn: it is not in 1.5 ...
19:14 < armijn> huebi: yeah, sure...
19:14 < rxr> in 1.5 it is only build for the install-disk ...
19:14 < armijn> rxr: yeah, the install-disk
19:15 < huebi> how many KG's should I order *g*
19:15 < huebi> of Caffeine
19:15 < armijn> KG?
19:15 < armijn> omg
19:16 < armijn> depends on how many people you want to kill
19:16 < huebi> 1000 Grams = 1KG
19:16 < tsa> how much do i need to stay awake the next month?
19:16 < armijn> huebi: I thought you had added some of my docs to 1.5.15
19:17 < SMP> anyone tried the caffeinated soap from Thinkgeek already? ;)
19:17 < huebi> 1 KG of Caffeine = enough stuff to let fake "the instant programmer" burn at least 1 month
19:17 < armijn> SMP: no...
19:17 < tsa> SMP: no...shipping from the US would be pretty expensive..
19:18 < huebi> armijn: Were the docs not in your patches?
19:18 < tsa> we ordered some coffee mugs and shirts about a year ago... 
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19:18 < tsa> pretty expensive.. (taxes etc.)
19:18 < armijn> huebi: well, I send them, along with the patches
19:18 < armijn> s/send/sent/
19:19 < huebi> armijn: can you just put them in you home on ella again. I put them in now
19:19 < armijn> huebi: ehr, gotta find them first :)
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19:20 < armijn> huebi: can I send them by mail, that's easier for me
19:20 < huebi> armijn: Yes, do it
19:22 < rxr> memtest fixed
19:22 < huebi> http://chemdat.merck.de/cat/web2.zoom_in?text=102584&screen=180&cid=-935075694&pg=-1&s=caffeine&lang=4<- nice packages ;-) 50KG!
19:22 < armijn> on it's way
19:22 < armijn> urgh
19:22 < armijn> s/it's/its/
19:22 * armijn can't type today
19:22 * huebi must configure a local mta
19:24 < armijn> hmm...CVS ChangeLog hasn't been updated for almost 3 weeks :(
19:25 < huebi> th: huh?
19:25 < th> ack
19:25 < th> armijn: this is not true
19:26 < th> tel.
19:26 < armijn> th: on rocklinux.dyndns.org it hasn't been updated
19:26 < rxr> http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/eventslt2002.php3?view=7
19:26 < huebi> armijn: The official CVS is now at cvs.rocklinux.de
19:27 < th> </tel>
19:27 * huebi has to write more mails
19:27 < armijn> hgrmpf
19:27 < th> huebi: you should disabled the old server somehow
19:27 < huebi> SMP: Did you had some time to do some work on cvsweb.cgi?
19:27 < armijn> or redirect it
19:27 < huebi> th ACK
19:28 < th> huebi: i noticed a w3-root for www.cvs.rocklinux.de
19:29 < huebi> fuck info!! I want to have the tar man page back!
19:30 < armijn> who installed info?
19:30 < SMP> huebi: not lately :-(
19:30 < th> huebi: full-ack
19:30 < th> huebi: there is a info2man at sf IIRC
19:30 < huebi> armijn: tar has only an info page. no man page any more.
19:31 < armijn> pfrt
19:31 < th> pfrt?
19:31 < armijn> stupid GNU people
19:31 < huebi> armijn: ACK!
19:31 < th> i hate info as i hate emacs
19:31 < SMP> at least tar --help works with GNU tar ;)
19:31 < tsa> ACK ACK ACK!!!!
19:31 < tsa> i want a tar(8)
19:32 < SMP> TAR(1)                     OpenBSD Reference Manual                     TAR(1)
19:32 < SMP> ;p
19:32 < tsa> steal it whereever we can
19:32 < th> SMP: hmmm. with -I for bzip2?
19:32 < SMP> this is for BSD tar
19:32 < armijn> (flood)
19:32 < armijn> SunOS 5.8           Last change: 28 Jan 1998                    1
19:32 < armijn> User Commands                                              tar(1)
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19:33 < SMP> GNU tar just sounds like tar, but it isn't
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19:34 < tsa> re thalerim
19:34 < huebi> drwx------    5 root     root          120 May 22 12:27 cvs <- shut down ;-)
19:34 < th> huebi: that's what i meant :)
19:34 < thalerim> hi
19:34 < thalerim> hi tsa, huebi
19:35 < huebi> One good think would be a refurbished, modernised tar. With compatibility in all directions
19:36 < SMP> sounds like star ;)
19:36 < armijn> bloat tar
19:36 < armijn> which can do everything :)
19:36 < huebi> booting tar...
19:36 < huebi> hehe
19:36 < armijn> why not embed it in the shell
19:37 < thalerim> tar?
19:37 < th> i do NOT want to have a tar which does all but taring..
19:37 < SMP> -rw-rw-r--   5 rockwww  rocksrc    747139 Oct 10  2001 download/base/tar/tar-1.13.tar.bz2
19:37 < SMP> -rw-r--r--   1 stefanp  users      390864 May 23 10:30 sw/Backup/star-1.4.tar.bz2
19:37 < SMP> so much for bloat
19:37 < th> that would be like emacs.
19:37 < huebi> armijn: no, it should stay seperate
19:37 < armijn> but I want bloatware!
19:37 < th> nice OS but it lacks a text-editor
19:37 < SMP> and I bet star even has a manpage
19:38 < SMP> armijn: wine winzip.exe
19:38 < SMP> *eg*
19:38 < th> lol
19:38 < armijn> oh yeah, first I'd have to install a Windows emulator (or VMWare) and then install windows and then use winzip
19:38 < armijn> now *that* is bloatware
19:38 < thalerim> btw. hi armijn... be comforted france, argentine and italia are disqualified as well ;-)
19:38 < th> so you can boot your tar
19:39 < armijn> thalerim: why should I be comforted?
19:40 < thalerim> because france has embarrassed more than holland :-)
19:40 < armijn> yeah yeah
19:41 < armijn> http://www.ihr-seid-nicht-dabei.de/
19:41 < huebi> OT: Who has a german passport?
19:41 < armijn> why, need one?
19:41 * SMP has of course
19:41 < th> german passport? aehm. /me of course
19:42 < armijn> I don't :)
19:42 < tsa> aehm..sure. but why?
19:42 < huebi> The program for steel plate to get the golden letters on the very front was made by me ;-)
19:43 < armijn> not on my passport
19:43 < huebi> I did that in 1998
19:43 < tsa> ok. i'll give it back.
19:43 < tsa> ;)
19:43 < huebi> th: hehe
19:43 < huebi> s/th/tsa/
19:43 < th> you replaced me with tsa???
19:43 < tsa> so now i exist twice?
19:44 < huebi> That was not allowed. So all german passports are illegal. 
19:44 < huebi> LOL
19:44 < armijn> what wasn't allowed?
19:44 < armijn> writing a program?
19:45 < armijn> stamping gold thingies?
19:45 < huebi> The company who officaly made this Steel plate was not able to do that. So they gave the work to the company I worked for at that time. And that was not allowed.
19:46 < armijn> you know this is logged
19:46 < th> and published
19:46 < th> it will be googlable.
19:46 * armijn looks up the number of the german embassy
19:47 < SMP> do you trust anyone that easy? ;>
19:47 * th does a sync on irc-log-publishing webserver.
19:47 < th> armijn, SMP: finally we got him :)
19:47 < armijn> SMP: no, but if they give me beer in exchange...
19:48 < huebi> It's too long ago. And who cares?
19:48 < armijn> welll....
19:48 < huebi> OK free beer at 19C3
19:48 < armijn> given the fact that all german passports are now illegal :)
19:48 < SMP> I'm not really happy with the fact that logs for #rocklinux are being published. are you?
19:48 < tsa> ah!
19:48 < tsa> SMP: no, not really. stats are ok, but logs...hm..
19:48 < armijn> yeah, so what if I'd say that I think SMP is a dickhead
19:49 < armijn> he can search Google for "SMP + dickhead" and find me saying that
19:49 < SMP> you're welcome
19:49 < thalerim> SMP: do you fear against the insane asymul? ;->
19:49 < th> i would like to have impacts published. not the full log.
19:49 < armijn> of course, I don't know how often SMP googles on "SMP + dickhead" :)
19:49 < th> but i've rather the full log than nothing
19:49 < tsa> armijn: hehe
19:49 < armijn> and maybe I don't even want SMP to find out that I think he's a dickhead :)))
19:50 < SMP> not as often as I google on 'armiijn + gay'
19:50 < th> hrrhrr
19:50 < armijn> hmm..I must try that
19:50 < th> armijn: sit down first
19:50 < armijn> nope, nothing
19:50 < armijn> SMP + dickhead on the other hand...
19:51 < huebi> SMP huebi esden passport <- 1 hit
19:51 < armijn> wow, four pages :)
19:51 < tsa> hehe
19:52 < armijn> well, that must say something!
19:53 < armijn> right?
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19:54 < Taruz> hi... does anyone know where i get (D)rocklinux - isos?
19:54 < th>   
19:54 < Taruz>  ?
19:55 < huebi> ftp://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.15/rock-intel-i586-base+opt-1.5.15_2002-05-27_02h30.iso
19:56 < Taruz> thnx
19:57 < Taruz> what exactly is Drock - linux?
19:58 < huebi> the desktop version of ROCK Linux 
19:59 < Taruz> hm? .. but the "normal" ROCK Linux Version does also include X and Windowmaker .. or?
19:59 < huebi> Taruz: Yes, but there is much more in dRock
20:00 < Taruz> hm ... thnx
20:01 < huebi> Taruz: http://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/drock.html
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20:02 < martin_> hi zusammen
20:03 < rolla> I am getting the message that my install can't find root but I have checked and it is in /etc/fstab
20:03 < rxr> hi martin_ 
20:04 < armijn> who is zusammen?
20:04 < armijn> I don't see anyone named zusammen
20:04 < tsa> rolla: i guess you forgot to put a line: append="root=/dev/discs.." in your lilo.conf
20:05 < tsa> (point the /dev entry to your / partition)
20:05 < rolla> dang 
20:05 < armijn> ding
20:05 < armijn> dong
20:06 < tsa> no problem
20:06 < rolla> yes you are very right how could I forget something so basic
20:06 < tsa> armijn: what kind of drugs are you actually using? and where can i get them? ;)
20:06 < armijn> tsa: it's called "sleep deprivation" and it's very cheap
20:06 < armijn> once you get started with porting ROCK it will come to you automatically
20:07 < tsa> hehe..ok
20:07 < armijn> tsa: and for the really heavy stuff you should ask ripclaw
20:07 < armijn> seems like he never sleeps
20:07 < tsa> will start a port to pocket calculators, then ;-)
20:07 < armijn> but just *look* at the way he talks!
20:07 < armijn> ehr, writes e-mails that is
20:08 < tsa> hehe...
20:10 < rxr> tsa: the big TI calculators seem to have a Motorola 68xxx - much luck ;-)
20:10 < tsa> hehe
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20:13 * thalerim is listening to Blind Guardian - Ashes to Ashes
20:13 < thalerim> *rock*
20:15 < armijn> blind guardian
20:15 < armijn> brrrrr!
20:16 < thalerim> specify the meaning of brr?
20:16 < thalerim> s,?,!;
20:17 < armijn> as in, kinda yuck
20:17 < armijn> I don't really like Blind Guardian
20:17 < thalerim> fact is there're better bands, but some songs of them are audiple
20:18 < thalerim> ...audible
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20:22 < thalerim> corvus corax, in extremo, eichenschild... to list some
20:22 < the][owl> hi
20:23 < armijn> yeah, time to go home
20:23 < armijn> cu
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20:44 < rolla> where can I download curl from ?
20:44 < martin_> ach rxr, bist noch da?
20:48 < lizard> rolla: http://curl.haxx.se/download.html
20:49 < rolla> danke
21:01 * martin_ is away: I'm busy
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21:58 < rxr> An 1.7 where much more compiles (mostly due to some package updates ...) is available on my server ..
21:59 < rxr> ^- "much more" mean -> when using gcc31 ...
21:59 * rxr again hacking Java fluff ...
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22:24 < uninvited> hello !
22:26 < martin_> hello uninvited
22:27 < uninvited> hiya martin
22:28 < rxr> hi martin_ 
22:36 < tsa> hi uninvited
22:43 < hackbard_> does anyone know whether the std rock tftp server supports tsize option?
22:48 < rxr> hackbard_: /me not - sorry
22:48 < rxr> hi tsa 
22:48 < rxr> hackbard_: my gcc-31 only build is at 3-libbonobo
22:49 < rxr> hackbard_: only very vew errors: ghostscript, libtiff ...
22:49 < hackbard_> nice
22:49 -!- hackbard_ is now known as hackbard
22:49 < rxr> I'll fix those later - I'll have to do some "uni" stuff first ...
22:49 < hackbard> okay
22:49 < rxr> (But this time C++ - that is more fun than the f**king java fluff ...
22:49 < rxr> )
22:50 -!- lizard [~lizard@pD90485C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("oh oh, brb")
22:50 < rxr> when I finish the Excersice before midnight I'll do some 1.7 fixing ...
22:50 < hackbard> okay
22:50 * rxr @ laptop again ...
22:50 -!- lizard [~lizard@pD90485C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:50 < hackbard> just wanted to talk, but i ll leave you alone then :)
22:50 < hackbard> hurry rene ;)
22:51 < rxr> hehe
22:51 < hackbard> re lizard
22:51 < lizard> yo re
22:55 < hackbard> okay, after Update-Src ash compiles here too
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22:56 < hackbard> re holyolli
22:56 < holyolli> re
22:56 < holyolli> hi hackbard
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22:59 < holyolli> hi sockmonk
23:02 < the][owl> bye.
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23:10 < sockmonk> hi holyolli
23:11 < sockmonk> I enjoyed the Linuxtag pictures posted on the rock website
23:15 < holyolli> <-- goes to this tv...cya tomorrow ;)
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23:27 < huebi> $arch <- Where is that defined in rock 1.5?
23:29 < huebi> arch="${ROCKCFG_ARCH:-any}" <- what does happen here?
23:30 < huebi>                     ^^^^^ I mean here...
23:31 < hackbard> komisch ..
23:31 < hackbard> ROCKCFG_ARCH wird in Config exportiert, nor?
23:31 < huebi> hackbard: jo.
23:31 < hackbard> root@hackstation:~# ROCKCFG_ARCH=i686
23:31 < hackbard> root@hackstation:~# arch="${ROCKCFG_ARCH:-any}"
23:31 < hackbard> root@hackstation:~# echo $arch
23:31 < hackbard> i686
23:31 < hackbard> das gibt aber keinen sinn ..
23:31 < huebi> und arch in scripts/parse-config erzeugt.
23:32 < hackbard> achso
23:32 < hackbard> hmm ...
23:32 < SMP> BASH(1)                                                   BASH(1)
23:32 < huebi> wozu brauche ich dan arch?
23:32 < SMP>    Parameter Expansion
23:33 < SMP>        ${parameter:-word}
23:33 < SMP>               Use Default Values.  If parameter is unset or null, the expansion
23:33 < SMP>               of  word  is  substituted.   Otherwise, the value of parameter is
23:33 < SMP>               substituted.
23:33 < huebi> ok
23:34 < hackbard> ahh, cool, gut zu wissen ..
23:34 < SMP> *gnnn*
23:34 < SMP> si tacuissem ...
23:36 < huebi> But what do I need it for? I can choose "none" for ROCKCFG_ARCH but I can't see the usage for that.
23:38 < hackbard> dann wird ROCKCFG="none" exportiert?
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23:39 < hackbard> dann wuerde aber arch auch zu "none" werden und nicht zu any .. wenn ich das richtig kappiert habe ..
23:39 < huebi> I want to have all global used variables in one file like Config. It's nasty to get all of them in my head and not forget the first ones till I got all ;(
23:40 < huebi> hackbard: none koennte man dann aber in den scriptc auch einfach weiter verarbeiten. 1 Wert weniger.
23:42 < huebi> scripts/Build-All: if [ "$arch" = any ] ; then
23:43 < huebi> echo "ERROR: No architecture configured."
23:43 < huebi> I change any to "none"
23:43 < hackbard> hmm, ich wuerde nicht none exportieren, aber mach halt:
23:44 < hackbard> if [ -z $ROCKCFG_ARCH ] ; then
23:47 < hackbard> vorallem dachte ich wolltest du $arch weghaben, und nicht nur any mit none vertauschen, oder? 
23:50 < huebi> hackbard: Jo.  ROCKCFG_ARCH gefaellt mir besser. und es wird nur einmal definiert und dann nicht mehr irgend etwas neues globales daraus geschnitzt.
23:53 < hackbard> jo, hoffentlich wird es nicht noch woanders gebraucht ..
23:54 < huebi> root@zeus:/rock-linux# grep -rl arch scripts/* |wc -l
23:54 < huebi> 23
23:55 < hackbard> jo, aber das ist bestimmt nicht alles 'arch', wenn du glueck hast :)
23:55 < huebi> aber trotzdem im Moment etwas zuviel zum schnell mal aendern.
23:55 < hackbard> jo
23:56 < hackbard> lass einfach die definition von arch trotzdem drin
23:56 < huebi> jo, das lass ich so. ;)
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23:56 < uninvited> Hallo nochmal !
23:56 < hackbard> du machst mit if [ -z $ROCKCFG_ARCH ] ; then ... ja nichts falsch ;)
23:56 < hackbard> hi uninvited
23:57 < rxr> re
23:57 < hackbard> wb rene
23:58 < uninvited> re-ne
23:58 < hackbard> :)
23:58 < rxr> ;-)
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