--- Log opened Tue Jun 18 00:00:24 2002
--- Day changed Tue Jun 18 2002
00:00 < tsa> hehe
00:00 < tsa> ich hab hier:
00:00 < tsa> abiword
00:00 < tsa> emacs
00:00 < tsa> gkrellm
00:00 < huebi> Building in alsa-lib-0.9.0rc1 ...
00:00 < tsa> bind
00:00 < tsa> fetchmail
00:00 < tsa> cups
00:00 < tsa> galeon
00:01 < tsa> an glade sitze ich grade.
00:01 < tsa> ebenso evolution.
00:02 < rxr> ah ok - das habe ich groesstenteils nicth angeruehrt ;-)
00:03 < tsa> gut
00:03 < tsa> gtk+
00:04 < rxr> hasst du mal meinen tree ge-rsync-ed ?
00:05 < rxr> mit welchem gcc baust du?
00:06 < tsa> ich kuemmer mich jetzt erstmal um reine updates..
00:06 < rxr> hm?
00:06 < rxr> updates habe ich schon gemacht - alles in rene und x11 ;-)
00:07 < tsa> export ROCKCFG_DEFAULT_CC='gcc2'
00:07 < rxr> ah
00:07 < tsa> export ROCKCFG_DEFAULT_CXX='gcc3'
00:08 < rxr> rene@jackson:~/develop/rock > l 2clifford-DOS-your-modem.patch
00:08 < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 rene     users       94393 Jun 18 00:08 2clifford-DOS-your-modem.patch
00:08 < tsa> hehe
00:10 < rxr> hm - cliff has no new snap - so I would have to manually remove my last updates in it - Mist ...
00:11 * rxr dumb
00:12 < rxr> just applied my last patch to cliff's tree myself ... ;-)
00:12 < tsa> that's the reason why i always make a separate patch for each package.
00:12 < tsa> i don't have an own tree, and i don't know what other maintainers already have updated..
00:12 < rxr> rene@jackson:~/develop/rock > grep +++ 2clifford-DOS-your-modem.patch  | wc -l
00:12 < rxr>      98
00:13 < rxr> Hm - maintaining a patch for each package would be sligtly time consuming ...
00:13 < rxr> tsa: I also updated our lame package ;-)
00:15 < rxr> rene@jackson:~/develop/rock > l 2clifford-DOS-your-modem.patch
00:15 < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 rene     users       69144 Jun 18 00:11 2clifford-DOS-your-modem.patch
00:15 < rxr> you wanna get this one , too ?
00:15 < rxr> or you could rsync my tree ...
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00:16 < tsa> cc: it to me, please.
00:16 < tsa> hi chrisime
00:16 * tsa updating nautilus
00:16 < chrisime> jo!
00:16 < chrisime> hi dudes
00:16 < huebi> hi chrisime 
00:17 < chrisime> hallo huebi 
00:17 < rxr> hi chrisime 
00:17 < chrisime> rxr: SALVE
00:17 < rxr> tsa: this is already done!
00:18 < rxr> nautlius 2.s.th. is in my patch!
00:18 < chrisime> bluefire: hab noch net auf die mail genatwortet
00:18 < chrisime> sind aber ein paar interessante sachen drin
00:18 < bluefire> chrisime: ich habs gesehen. 
00:18 < bluefire> chrisime: ist aber nicht so schlimm.
00:18 < bluefire> ;)
00:18 < chrisime> bluefire: sehr gute kommentare
00:18 < chrisime> wenn man sonst den mist woanders immer lesen muss...
00:19 < bluefire> Mist?
00:19 < rxr> tsa: mail raus - please test-apply (kann aber sein das der wegen diversen updates deiner-seits nicht sauebr applied ...)
00:19 < chrisime> bluefire: prolinux ;)
00:19 < bluefire> Ich hab halt das geschrieben was mir fehlt oder was mich stört
00:20 < chrisime> ich les mal schnell nochmal durch
00:20 < tsa> rxr: ich schau mir erstmal an, was du so gemacht hast..
00:20 < bluefire> Ich hab auch hp auf #gnome gesehen letzt und festgestellt, daß ein paar Sachen auch in bugzilla sind.
00:20 < chrisime> ich sehs
00:20 < chrisime> bluefire: die tatsache dass net alles in gnome2.0 reinkann ist net schlimm
00:21 < chrisime> sonst haette es noch ein jahr gedauert ;)
00:21 < chrisime> tree sidebar wird irgendwann mal entsorgt
00:21 < bluefire> chrisime: Ist schon klar. Aber es sollte halt Benutzerfreundlich sein und mehr oder weniger so funktionieren wie man das erwarten würde. 
00:21 < chrisime> und durch eine ordentliche ersetzt, bzw. ergaenzt
00:21 < chrisime> mit context menu
00:21 < chrisime> bluefire: die haben sich schon gedanken gemacht
00:22 < chrisime> es ist halt seeeehr schwirig es  allen recht zu machen
00:22 < tsa> diff -urN rock-src-1.7-clifford/package/rene/teatime/teatime.cache
00:22 < rxr> Tiny C Compiler
00:22 < rxr> ;-)
00:22 < tsa> oh....you starting diff'ing .cache-files, too?
00:22 < tsa> ;-)
00:23 < rxr> S.th. new for ROCK to adapt ;-) *lol*
00:23 < chrisime> das suckt: Can't rename folder when clicking on folder in tree view twice <-- /me knows
00:23 < rxr> tsa: NO!
00:23 < rxr> I only removed two packages or so ...
00:23 < tsa> rxr: can you make a "doxygen" package?
00:23 < tsa> ah, ok.
00:23 < chrisime> bluefire: tree view is shitty
00:23 < rxr> tsa: It is in the patch!
00:23 < rxr> tsa: maybe some other .cache file is in the patch - because I did s.th. like cp gnome-xyz gnome-new-libs-xyz ...
00:24 < tsa> ah...ok
00:24 < tsa> hm....i see we have some work done twice.
00:24 < rxr> I hope only some ...
00:25 < rxr> tsa: oh sorry - my doxygen package is in the last patch to cliff ...
00:25 < rxr> tsa: should I send this one over ?
00:25 < rxr> , too ?
00:25 < rxr> Name: 2clifford-many-updates.patch
00:25 < tsa> sure.
00:26 < rxr> out
00:29 < tsa> ok. i sent you my patches, too.
00:29 < tsa> mail sent.
00:30 < rxr> should I try to merge some  ?
00:30 < tsa> i've sent them to clifford, too.
00:31 < tsa> apply whatever you want..
00:32 < tsa> hm....if i had more packages, i'd ask clifford for my own tree..
00:32 < rxr> hm - but we would confuse Clifford - should he try to apply yours? 
00:32 < tsa> i'd like to save my packages from the rest pf the sourceforge stuff..
00:32 < rxr> pf = ?
00:32 < tsa> i've made one patch per package...so you can just delete those which already are updated....
00:33 < tsa> pf = of
00:33 < rxr> tsa: is you mail already out to cliff ?
00:33 < tsa> yes.
00:33 < hackbard> why dont u send it to the mailinglist!!!
00:33 < hackbard> !^9999
00:33 < hackbard> :p
00:34 < tsa> basically, everybody thinks of sourceforge as being nothing but a lot of crap.
00:34 < rxr> tsa: why would evolutoin get rid of the custom db ????
00:34 < tsa> no wonder, since > 80% is broken
00:34 < tsa> rxr: i would like the package to contain nothing but evolution itself..
00:35 < tsa> aka make it working with bdb, currently at 3.3.something..
00:35 < rxr> evlutions MUST be build statically linked to the libdb !! This IS the supoprted way since they store your data in the bd and it should be compatible across version 
00:35 < tsa> hm...ok, i didn't know that.
00:36 < rxr> tsa: bdb ? in evolutions is the bdb included - but the last 3.x versin - NOT the 4 one ...
00:36 < rxr> I already tried to build it dynamically liked against the new one - but gave up ...
00:36 < tsa> hehe...ok
00:37 < rxr> tsa: galeon patch ? wasn't this already in the linuxtag patch-set ?
00:37 < tsa> i'll start a new build after clifford has fixed the scripts to make dietlibc compile in stage 0.
00:37 < tsa> rxr: it's not in the current snapshot, rsync'ed about an hour ago..
00:37 < rxr> tsa: ah - ok
00:38 < tsa> did you have a look at the URL in the topic?
00:38 < rxr> half of your patches should apply - but we should sort this out ourself the next time (so Clifford doesn't have to find this out himselfs ...)
00:38 * huebi burning rock-ia32-i486-base+opt-1.5.16.iso
00:39 < tsa> well...it's kinda difficult to keep things consistent when people have offline tree's ..
00:39 < rxr> tsa: not - yet. Just cut'n pasted into konqeror ;-)
00:39 < rxr> ;-) My tree is online ;-) 
00:39 < hackbard> yes, and u should not wait too long sending patches. if u dont send them on the mailinglists, but its okay .. keep ignoring me :p
00:39 < tsa> rxr: the URL is the reason for my updates..
00:39 < tsa> hackbard: hehe..
00:39 < huebi> tsa: Thats the reason for cvs on world.
00:39 < rxr> tsa: I only wanted to _test_ the Gnome2 updated before Clifford gets them !
00:40 < tsa> huebi: i would prefer a central "repository" for everything, too..
00:40 < huebi> for 1.7?
00:40 < tsa> too much work gets done twice..
00:40 < tsa> huebi: yes.
00:41 < tsa> i would have split up the different repositories by function instead of person, too..
00:41 < tsa> but as you know, the majority wanted something else..
00:41 < huebi> It needs much trust in the people having access to it. But since I have full controll over the tree inside It's not bad at all.
00:42 < tsa> huebi: ACK. but we need to trust each other, anyway.
00:42 < rxr> tsa: no the most loudly speaking people wanted s.th. else ... :-(
00:42 < tsa> within the core developers..
00:42 < tsa> rxr: hehe... ;)
00:42 < huebi> tsa: of course. But mistakes happen. And for that the full access is really kool.
00:43 < tsa> from what i know about cvs, it is possible to make different tags on packages.
00:43 < rxr> tsa: this has nothign to do with trust! - I think is really good that Cliffords eyes take a look on every scripts/* and so modification - sometimes even I send a imperfect patch :-) 
00:43 < huebi> tsa: That's what I do.
00:43 < rxr> tsa: cvs is not an options for ROCK - IIHO
00:44 < tsa> so my idea would be to give the core developers write access to everything and make a special tag which may just be set by the tree/package/whatever maintainer.
00:44 < huebi> Writing  time:  355.050s
00:44 < huebi> Fixating...
00:44 < tsa> for example:
00:44 < tsa> i make an update for a package which has [M] rene
00:44 < tsa> this is the "head" branch.
00:45 < tsa> rene could then have a look at my changes and decide whether to put his tag on it or not..
00:45 < rxr> tsa: I need to get sleep ..
00:45 < tsa> rxr: ok...cu and sleep well..
00:45 < huebi> tsa branch tags. cvs tag -b. I use them.
00:45 < tsa> huebi: 1.7 doesn't.
00:45 < huebi> good night rxr 
00:45 < hackbard> n8 rene!
00:45 < rxr> 1.7 has not CVS - and IIHO this is very good!
00:45 < tsa> so i currently have two options.
00:46 < tsa> 1: let other people's package alone and watch them getting outdated.
00:46 < tsa> 2: update, make patches, send them somewhere and risk doing the same work twice..
00:46 < huebi> tsa: All tags you can find in cvsweb are branch tags. Just co a tag and you have a working tree.
00:46 < rxr> tsa: this was an one-time problem - because we both uptaded a bunch of packages
00:47 < tsa> rxr: nack. 
00:47 < rxr> in the next time we will do this more regularly - and it doesn't happen too often
00:47 < tsa> i'va had that before..several times.
00:47 < tsa> with patches directly sent to clifford..
00:47 < tsa> s,va,ve
00:48 < rxr> tsa: but now we both do updates very regularly - so we 'll have less problems ...
00:48 < tsa> oh...and i forgot something: if you touch other people's packages, you might get flamed..
00:48 < rxr> tsa: in the normal rock tree or in sf ?
00:49 < tsa> rxr: sf...
00:49 < rxr> ok - and this is CVS ... - so it doesn't seem to be a help at all ;-)
00:49 < rxr> read the CVS manual what CVS "is not" ! ;-)
00:49 < tsa> just because we don't use the tags..
00:50 < rxr> it is not an replacement for communiation between the developers and project planning ;-)!
00:50 < tsa> ack.
00:50 < rxr> tsa: the tags would introduce a mess where everyone adds tags here and there ..
00:50 < tsa> rxr: that's the problem...discipline is missing and cvs has no acl system for setting tags.
00:51 < rxr> if we wanna SCM - I do not vote for CVS ... - and if we use s.th. like subverison or arch then I would not give everyone write access to the core scripts to anyone but cliff ...
00:51 < huebi> in 1.5 I'm very happy with other people updating packages. I just have to test and merge the changings
00:52 < rxr> ok /me searches fot the bed now ...
00:52 < rxr> cu - n8
00:52 < huebi> cu rxr 
00:53 < tsa> another problem: if i make a good package on sf cvs, somebody likes it and moves it into his tree and i loose write access to it.
00:53 < tsa> so i have to make patches for my own packages and send them to somebody else to decide over them.
00:53 < huebi> tsa: on sf yes. in 1.5 no
00:54 < tsa> huebi: indeed.
00:54 < tsa> just a quick grep
00:54 < tsa> my lame package is in rene/
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00:55 < tsa> my ettercap is there, too.
00:55 < tsa> i still have nessus, nvidia, opera and slrn on SF cvs.
00:55 < tsa> i guess opera and nvidia will get moved to x11/ sooner or later.
00:56 < tsa> slrn might get into base/
00:56 < tsa> nessus i don't know.
00:56 < tsa> i could prevent this by having an own reopsitory.
00:57 < tsa> but i just don't want another reopsitory just containing different, completely unrelated packages.
00:58 < tsa> oh...and i should learn to type "repository".
00:58 < tsa>  ;-)
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01:08 < hackbard> tsa: did you or rene fix libtiff already?
01:09 < tsa> hackbard: send rene a mail - it's in his repository.
01:09 < hackbard> yeah, thast why i ask, i wont fix it if he did already :)
01:10 < tsa> no, i don't see any libtiff-related stuff in his patches
01:10 < hackbard> okay, then wish me luck :)
01:10 < tsa> hehe ;)
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01:14 < hackbard> yo d3mian !
01:14 < d3mian> re
01:16 < tsa> hi d3mian
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01:16 < tsa> ok guys...
01:16 * tsa is going to sleep..
01:16 < tsa> cu tomorrow..
01:16 < d3mian> cu tsa 
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01:18 < huebi> hi d3mian ;-)
01:21 < huebi> I think now I've got all mistakes fixed in 1.5.16... We'll see in a few minutes
01:24 < huebi> more to fix...
01:25 < hackbard> cool huebi
01:25 < hackbard> ohh ..
01:25 < hackbard> too fast 
01:39 < huebi> hackbard: The change from intel to ia32 needed some more fixes.
01:39 < hackbard> huebi: btw, why did u also change?
01:39 < huebi> install-disks was not complete
01:40 < hackbard> i guess the root disk made troubles ..
01:40 < huebi> jo
01:40 < hackbard> but all fixed now?
01:41 < huebi> I changed because it is much cleaner than before
01:42 < huebi> I also want to clean up / simplify some scripts I don't fully understand.
01:43 < huebi> e.g. $arch is really needed in only one place.
01:45 < hackbard> yes, makes sence
01:45 < hackbard> but i would just freeze 5.x from the scripts point of view
01:46 < hackbard> just see it will always build
01:46 < huebi> there are still some errors.
01:47 < hackbard> okay, in that case u have to 
01:47 < huebi> eg Creating a base cd while having some extentions built will include the exts too.
01:47 < hackbard> aha
01:47 < hackbard> didnt know that! as i always build my extensiosn on the ready installed system
01:48 < huebi> And the scripts need some simplifying. 
01:49 < huebi> the big change fron linux / modules to linux / linux-src was needed, but did not work really clean.
01:50 < hackbard> well, actually ur right
01:51 < hackbard> 1.5.x is not meant to be 'frozen'
01:51 < hackbard> though, i think u work too hard for it :)
01:52 < huebi> Yes, I work definitly too hard on it.
01:52 < huebi> But I want to have for myself a linux fitting all my needs.
01:53 < huebi> And ROCK Linux is allmost there where I want to go.
01:54 < hackbard> yes, i understand
01:54 < hackbard> and anyways - 1.5.x is still the system which is in (productive) use
01:55 < huebi> Yes, and for production servers it just has to get only a little bit smoother
01:56 < huebi> The rock can have some polishing ;-))
01:56 < hackbard> hehe :)
01:56 < huebi> It outperformed with it's flexibility and security RedHat!
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01:58 < hackbard> yes, even if i would no longer build rock - i would definetly go for the isos!
01:59 < hackbard> with rock u learn, how simple linux actually is (imho)
02:00 < hackbard> bad english .. :p
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02:00 < huebi> Yes. And the learning is much more worth than the effort costs.
02:10 < d3m^afk> all ppl i know are afraid to try rock, i think it is just a simple distro with some diffs and nice to use it ;)
02:10 < huebi> to use it is very nice. But there is a big lag of documentation
02:12 < d3m^afk> umm, i know. well, if ur really interester u can get documentation wherever
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02:12 < huebi> d3mian: but you first must know where to get it ;-)
02:13 < d3mian> a stable system where u know what is happening inside ;)
02:14 < d3mian> ur right huebi ;)
02:15 < huebi> Many comments in the config scripts are needed
02:16 < d3mian> in costarica, by example, i just know Mike1 and me using rock, the rest of ppl we would like to get inside rock, are afraid to try it. And, in my case, ive told a lot of ppl to use it, just they dunt want cauz think it is difficult to administrate and use
02:17 < huebi> In Rock you really need to know what you do. But if you don't, there is the documentation lag...
02:18 < huebi> brb... reboot. no loopback devices any more ;(
02:18 < hackbard> hmm, next thing to fix would be netpbm, but i dont know whether tsa or renen already did it.
02:18 < hackbard> huebi: stop
02:18 < hackbard> losetup -d
02:18 < hackbard> :)
02:22 < hackbard> good n1
02:23 < d3mian> cu hackbard 
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02:28 < huebi> cu d3m|away 
02:29 < huebi> hackbard: danke
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03:48 < huebi> 1.5.16 is allmost working. 
03:48 < huebi> cu later
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05:58 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: Don't feel sexy enough? Use ROCK Linux! (compare to others: http://distrowatch.linuxforum.hu/source.php)
05:58 -!- Topic set by esden [Mon Jun 17 15:43:34 2002]
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07:40 < huebi> moin ;-)
07:44 < d3m^wrk> hi huebi 
07:45 < d3m^wrk> guten morgen
07:45 < huebi> hi d3m^wrk 
07:46 < huebi> tomorrow 1.5.16 will be out.
07:57 < d3m^wrk> c00l
07:57 < d3m^wrk> :)
07:57 < d3m^wrk> comparing 1.5.15 with 1.5.16? what da u recommend me?
08:04 < huebi> d3m^wrk: I recommend the newes one. now all linux binaries are in one package
08:05 < huebi> linux-src is now a separate package
08:05 < huebi> lilo will be 22.3.1
08:05 < huebi> I have to rebuild all to day
08:06 < huebi> and cvs commit all my changes.
08:06 < huebi> That will be a very big Changelog this time
08:06 < d3m^wrk> ic, i hope start downloading tomorrow, ;) - thanx huebi 
08:06 < d3m^wrk> ic, nice
08:07 < huebi> at 5:00 at your local time it will be up
08:08 < huebi> at least I hope so
08:20 < d3m^wrk> k
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08:57 < huebi> cu later.
08:57 < huebi> I go to work
08:57 < huebi> 28 Degree Celsius and I have to ride my bicycle ;-(
09:44 < d3m^wrk> k, cu huebi 
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10:12 < fake> q
10:13 < fake> *argh*
10:13 < fake> morning
10:18 < d3m^wrk> guten morgen fake 
10:28 < fake> moin
10:29 * fake can't understand why the Challenge S is so much faster than the indy
10:29 < fake> the Indy has 130 BogoMips, the Challenge 80!
10:35 < fake> but the indy is running at 130 MHz and the Challenge at 175
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10:42 < tsa> moin.
10:44 < fake> hi tsa!
10:46 < d3m^wrk> hi tsa 
10:46 < tsa> hi fake
10:46 < tsa> hi d3m^wrk
10:50 < huebi> moin fake 
10:50 < huebi> moin tsa 
10:51 < tsa> hi huebi
10:51 < fake> moin huebi
10:51 < huebi> so03:48 < huebi> 1.5.16 is allmost working.
10:51 < huebi> The image boots now.
10:51 < huebi> root-disk is fixed
10:53 < huebi> linux is fixed
10:53 < huebi> linux-src is fixed
10:53 < huebi> compiled for i486
10:53 < huebi> root@zeus:/rock-linux# ll
10:53 < huebi> drwxr-xr-x    6 root     root         4096 Jun 18 04:06 rock-ia32-i486-1.5.16
10:53 < huebi> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root     540442624 Jun 18 07:42 rock-ia32-i486-base+opt-1.5.16.iso
11:05 < tsa> journaling fs supported?
11:06 < huebi> tsa: With different boot-disks all four should be possiblee.
11:08 < huebi> -e
11:09 < huebi> I just took attention on getting all the boot stuff working again with linux/linux-src.
11:10 < huebi> I learned more than expected about ROCK last night *happy*
11:10 < huebi> th: Huhu. Schon wach?
11:18 < d3m^wrk> huebi: what about different kernel support? last time u said that there is a possibility to use several kernels for install disks
11:22 < huebi> d3m^wrk: Jo. The best way for that is to have different ISO-images because _all_ software is optimised for one CPU
11:23 < huebi> Different boot-images on the CD are possible and needed for the support of journaling file systems.
11:25 < d3m^wrk> well, i think that's the right way too, thanx for answer
11:27 < d3m^wrk> i though.. that at least a directory with several kernel modules and other apps to the fs journaling would be ok, but a cd for each optimization is more nice
11:28 < huebi> d3m^wrk: And as I said on the cd can be more than one boot image (exact 63 are possible).
11:31 < d3m^wrk> umm, ic , more cool ;)
11:31 < fake> huebi: and on the boot promt you start asking: do you want the kernel for 386? (y/n)
11:32 < fake> do you want the kernel for 486 (y/n)
11:32 < fake> ...
11:32 < fake> do you want ext2 support? (y/n)
11:32 < fake> ...
11:32 < fake> *g*
11:32 < d3m^wrk> LOL
11:32 < huebi> "There is M$ Windows on this Computer. Go away!"
11:33 < tsa> hehe
11:34 < huebi> http://people.redhat.com/brosenkr/misc/Microsoft-Trek.html <- *lol*
11:35 < huebi> DISCLAIMER: Microsoft, Windows, Windows XP, Bugs, Lacking features, IRQ conflicts, System crashes, Non-functional multitasking, registration keys, the Y2K problem, the Blue Screen of Death and unfair business practices are registered trademarks of Microsoft Corp., Redmond, USA.
11:35 < huebi> No violation of copyright intended.
11:35 < huebi> No Microsoft product was used in any way to write or send this text. If you use a Microsoft product to read it, you're doing so at your own risk.
11:35 < huebi> *ROFL*
11:35 < d3m^wrk> hehe
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11:40 < fake> huebi: that story is great *lmao*
11:42 < huebi> fake: Yes, it is.
11:42 * huebi is tired. More coffee...
11:42 < fake> Get us out of here! Warp 8!
11:42 < fake> I'm afraid that won't be possible, Captain! It's common knowledge that Windows XP deletes OS/2-Warp-Engines during installation.
11:45 < fake> In fact, people on Earth kept using Windows operating systems until the last Windows developer switched over to Linux in 2004. And of course...
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11:51 < huebi> I just started the upload of the new image.
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12:22 < thalerim> hello
12:23 < thalerim>  http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-17.html resp. http://httpd.apache.org/info/security_bulletin_20020617.txt
12:23 < thalerim> just FYI
12:25 < d3m^wrk> hi thalerim 
12:25 < thalerim> hi d3m^wrk - what's up?
12:26 < d3m^wrk> all it's ok, thanx , da u?
12:28 < thalerim> extremely hot here in germany - even ice creme and a ventilator don't soften the heat
12:29 < d3m^wrk> hehe, i guess not too much like CR
12:30 < thalerim> 37°C
12:31 < thalerim> almost like costa rica :-)
12:32 < d3m^wrk> ic, well, it is hotter than the place where i live :p
12:33 < thalerim> heh
12:34 < fake> *sweats*
12:35 < thalerim> me too, countryman :-)
12:36 < fake> getting his almost-frozen bottle of water
12:38 < thalerim> what's a f***ing day :->
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12:42 < d3mian> re
12:42 < thalerim> re
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12:57 < fake> hm....
12:57 < fake> is the cc-options-$x really used in1.7 ?
12:58 < fake> where is there no such file in ia32, but a gcc-options file?
12:58 < huebi> re
12:58 < esden> hi all
12:59 < huebi> hi esden 
12:59 < huebi> ;-)
12:59 < d3mian> morning esden 
12:59 < esden> *schwitz* *tropf*
13:00 < esden> und ich soll heute noch tennis spielen ... ;_;
13:00 < fake> HAA HAAA
13:00 < huebi> echo "100L" > /dev/water | cat > esden
13:00 < esden> fake: aber der gedanke dass ich mit zwei suessen maedels spielen werde heitert mich auf ;-)
13:01 < esden> huebi: danke
13:01 * -> esden platz
13:06 < fake> esden: mit wem?
13:11 < tsa> fake: mit wem ist doch egal - wo sind die fotos?
13:11 < fake> ich schaetze ira und.... err.... hm. ka?
13:11 < fake> anja?
13:11 < fake> oder anja und wasserue
13:20 < esden> fake: kennst du nicht
13:20 < fake> aaaaaha!
13:20 < esden> nee nicht mit anja ... sie ist in muenchen ... und ich gehe nach in spielen
13:20 < fake> dann doch fotos will.
13:20 < esden> fake: werde ich schauen ob ich welche besorgen kann ;-)
13:22 < fake> *gg*
13:24 < huebi> ftp://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.16/rock-ia32-i486-base+opt-1.5.16.iso <- new and booting ;-)))
13:24 < huebi> Announce follows on the list.
13:24 < huebi> But I want to give Alexanders ftp adress as address
13:24 < huebi> +d
13:28 < fake> hm.... how will i notice wether the gcc options are used? (in 1.7)
13:28 < d3mian> Alexanders is the boy who gave a ftp server right?
13:28 < huebi> d3mian: Yes, in sweden.
13:29 < d3mian> and is it faster?
13:29 < huebi> smalest line capacity is 100 MBit
13:29 < huebi> d3mian: YES!!!
13:29 < d3mian> of course ;)))
13:29 < huebi> than 2.5 GBit and then 10GBit.
13:30 < d3mian> huebi: when da u think to place 1.5.16 in Alexanders ftp?
13:30 < fake> huebi: with 10 GBit you could satisfy every german surfer.
13:30 < fake> germany has a throughput of about 6-7 GBit/s
13:31 < huebi> fake: only 6-7 Powerbook G4 ??
13:31 < huebi> *g*
13:31 < huebi> The Powerbook G4 has 1GBit
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13:33 < fake> sw33t.
13:33 < fake> ich weiss aber immernoch nicht was es mit den cc-options-$x ung gcc-options auf sich hat
13:35 < fake> ~stille~
13:37 < huebi> fake: rene und clofford wissen das....
13:37 < huebi> s/o/i/
13:38 * fake summons clifford
13:48 < d3mian> cu later 
13:48 < huebi> cu d3mian 
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13:51 < clifford> fake: was ist mit cc-options-$x ??
13:54 < huebi> hi clifford 
13:54 < clifford> hi huebi...
13:55 < clifford> wie geht's der familie? (alles wieder im lot?)
13:55 < huebi> bero from Redhat just uploads his OpenOffice stuff to ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/upload *freu*
13:56 < huebi> clifford: Jo, alles wieder im Lot. Besser als zuvor. Macht jetzt wieder richtig Spass.
13:56 < clifford> das ist gut.
13:57 < fake> clifford: was soll ich jetzt benutzen? cc-options-$x oder gcc-options wie in ia32 ?
13:57 < clifford> Bei uns gibt's uebrigens zwei gastheuser die auch zimmer vermieten ...  (wg. hack-session bei uns)
13:57 < fake> clifford: ich finde bei keiner arch ein cc-options-$x file
13:57 < huebi> clifford: Ich habe gestern bis fast 4h00 an 1.5.16 gesessen. Selten so viel in so kurzer Zeit gelernt ;-)
13:57 < clifford> im ort ist auch ein badeteich usw...
13:57 < clifford> :-)
13:57 < huebi> clifford: Wann wollen wir loslegen ;-))
13:58 < clifford> fake: die cc-options-* sind geschichte.
13:58 < fake> clifford: ich habe die ersten 2 augustwochen urlaub... da waer es sehr guenstig ;)
13:58 < fake> clifford: und.... hm. wo steht das?
13:59 < fake> clifford: wird aber erst ab stage2 genutzt, right?
13:59 < clifford> huebi: das weiss ich noch nicht. jetzt hab' ich mal 2 wochen fuer alles moegliche reserviert. dann bin ich zwei wochen nicht da (betreuer in kinderferienlager) - dass sehen wir weiter.
14:00 < clifford> Changelog vom 2002-05-31:
14:00 < clifford>  - Redesigned kernel config creation and cc wrapper config
14:00 < clifford> ja.
14:00 < clifford> wir hatten da probleme wenn der lokale cc die optionen nicht versteht ...
14:01 < fake> hmhm... dacht ich mir ;)
14:01 < fake> gcc2 -mcpu=r440 -> eek. gibbet nich. bei gcc3 schon.
14:01 < fake> r4400
14:02 < clifford> .. und darum erst ab stage 2.
14:02 < fake> l33t.
14:02 < huebi> clifford: Ich arbeite noch diesen Monat und habe die ersten zwei Juliwochen fuer ROCK Linux 1.[5,6] reserviert. 
14:02 < clifford> (also die wrappers werden schon vorher auch verwendet - aber die heavy opt. nicht)
14:02 < fake> man.... is das heiss....
14:02 < clifford> huebi: ich muss noch schaun wann ich kurse hab' usw. ..
14:03 < fake> clifford: kannst du mir erklaeren, warum die challenge S mit 80 BogoMips schneller is als die indy mit 130?
14:03 < fake> ich meine _deutlich_ schneller
14:03 < fake> there is a problem with bash
14:04 < fake> it compiles, but it needs libncurses, which are not built in stage1.
14:04 < fake> so the chroot fails and i have to build ncurses manually.
14:04 < clifford> bogomips sind kein benchmark und geben keinerlei auskunft ueber die geschwindigkeit der maschine.
14:04 < fake> clifford: danke, beruhigend. *phew*
14:05 < clifford> (bogomips werde nur verwendet um diverse delay-loops fuer i/o zu kalibrieren)
14:07 < huebi> fake: Probier doch mal misc/bench/autobench.sh
14:07 < huebi> unter 1.5
14:07 < fake> ich nix 1.5
14:07 < huebi> fake: Dan du nix wissen schnell sein von cpu
14:07 < huebi> ;-)
14:08 < fake> he bist du grun oda was he? sagst du mei mips kann net kochen? brauchst du streit alde?
14:08 < huebi> fake: Was guggst du? 
14:08 < fake> HE GUGG ISCH ODA WAS HEE?
14:08 < huebi> *LOOOL*
14:09 < huebi> *weglauf*
14:09 < fake> hehe. hab isch misch krasse kartoffel gelegt alde.
14:10 < esden> ojemene ...
14:10 < huebi> esden: Was geht ab alda?
14:10 * -> esden braucht wie immer mehr zeit ... und eine klimaanlage 
14:10 < huebi> esden: Was hassu mit Mathilda gemacht?
14:10 < esden> am besten in kleidungsform
14:11 < fake> eh die krasse mathilda alde.
14:11 < esden> huebi ... ich ?? .... ich habe sie nur gestreichelt ;-)
14:11 < fake> WO?
14:11 < fake> WAS AMCKE DU MITTE MATILDA!
14:11 < huebi> WOMIT?
14:11 < esden> fake: dass willst nicht wissen ;-)
14:11 < fake> macke
14:11 < esden> huebi: du auch nicht ... 
14:12 < esden> ich habe mit ihr dann golf gespielt ;-)
14:12 < huebi> (Arme Mathilda. Jetzt will sie wieder Wochenlang Grass rauchen statt fressen...)
14:12 * fake geht schnell hoch in den servrraum
14:12 < fake> ah... klimaanlage... *freu*
14:13 < esden> fake: >_<
14:13 < esden> ich habe leider kein netz in der audi max .. sonnst wuerde ich da sitzen ... da habe ich zumindest mal kuehle luft ...
14:18 < praenti> hi *denk* *ratter*
14:18 < praenti> ... ahh. jetzt versteh ich das
14:22 < praenti> huebi: kannst du mir nochmal die webcvs-url sagen. hab gestern verstehentlich die hälfte von meinem home auf gutmann gelöscht :-(
14:22 < d3m^wrk> bye
14:22 < praenti> bye d3m^wrk 
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14:34 < huebi> praenti: http://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/
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14:38 < tsa> re
14:42 < huebi> hi tsa 
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15:10 < huebi> 1000g Caffeine will cost 100 EUR.
15:11 < huebi> fuel for fake ;-))
15:12 < tsa> hehe
15:13 < huebi> I order the 1kg. For extra caffeinated coffee
15:13 < tsa> just one cup? ;)
15:14 < huebi> 20g are possible in in 1l water
15:15 < huebi> ~ 30g will kill 100kg rats
15:15 < huebi> erm 50% of them.
15:16 < huebi> 0.5 grams should be enough for 1 cup 
15:16 < huebi> that should keep one awake for at least 10 more hours
15:17 < huebi> or fake will produce about 1000 lines of code ;-))\
15:20 < tsa> hehe
15:20 < tsa> hm...what am i supposed to do with 50kg dead rats?
15:21 < tsa> rat soup?
15:23 < huebi> tsa: Kitty tuning ;-))
15:23 < tsa> hehe
15:24 < rolla> re
15:25 < huebi> http://reimari.saunalahti.fi/~jylppy69/which-cat-stole-my-drugs.jpg
15:25 < huebi> hi rolla ;-)
15:25 < rolla> hallo
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15:30 < huebi> Uni-Augsburg has fallen in a worm hole... *g*
15:30 < clifford> .. that must be a small university ..
15:31 < huebi> for the UeberDAU: http://www.computergear.com/wipefeetmat.html
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15:34 < tsa> hehe...
15:34 < tsa> hi tomik
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15:35 < tomik> hi tsa, hi all 
15:39 < tomik> xexe... rock can run on alpha 
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15:51 < tsa> GRRRRRRRRRRRR!
15:51 < tsa> audiogalaxy is dead.
15:51 < tsa> damn.
15:53 < clifford> tsa: what do you mean with "dead" ?
15:55 < tsa> clifford: see slashdot - all songs have been removed where AG had no explicit permission of the artist.
15:55 < tsa> which de facto means: _all_ songs.
15:56 < clifford> oh. that sucks.
15:56 < rxr> 4re
15:56 < clifford> what are we going to use now for downloading mp3's ?
15:56 < clifford> Hi rxr!
15:57 < rxr> hi clifford 
15:57 < clifford> rxr: you will hate me when you see the next snap ...  :-)
15:57 < rxr> clifford: why ?
15:57 < tsa> clifford: i don't know.
15:57 < clifford> tsa: Wow! That seams to even include some hosted artists ...
15:58 < clifford> because I've change some parts in the core scripts.
15:58 < clifford> it _should_ stay compatible ....   :-)
15:58 < clifford> But there are also some improvements for you:
15:58 < clifford> e.g. a much better $srctar and $srcdir autodetection.
15:58 < rxr> clifford: go ahead ;-)
15:59 < rxr> ah
15:59 < rxr> clifford: as long as you apply most of my updates ...
15:59 < clifford> So you don't need to set that in all gnome1 packages.
15:59 < clifford> Also: we now do have a /var/adm/parse-config directory
16:00 < clifford> when you build a package - all the files there will be read in before reading the package .conf file.
16:01 < clifford> E.g. /var/adm/parse-config/mysql:
16:01 < clifford> var_append extraconfopt " " "--with-mysql-lib=/opt/mysql/lib/mysql"
16:01 < clifford> var_append extraconfopt " " "--with-mysql-include=/opt/mysql/include/mysql"
16:01 < clifford> pkg_mysql_prefix=/opt/mysql
16:02 < clifford> candidates for such /var/adm/parse-config files are all packages which do have libs or are required in one way or another by other packages ..
16:06 < rxr> mom
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16:35 < d3m^wrk> re
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16:35 < huebi> hi d3mian 
16:37 < rxr> hi huebi 
16:37 < huebi> hi rxr ;-)
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16:37 < owl> hi
16:37 < rxr> huebi: should a DSL modem work on a dual-speed "hub" ?
16:38 < rxr> (with an integrated bridge between the two backplanes ?)
16:38 < huebi> rxr: Perhaps. But that could be too much inteligence
16:38 < rxr> ah
16:38 < fake> damn job
16:41 < fake> brb
16:45 < clifford> rxr: what do you think about installing qt with QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt ?
16:48 < rxr> clifford: in such a parse-config file ?
16:48 < clifford> hae?
16:49 < tsa> .. und wech
16:49 < tsa> cu
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16:49 < rxr> clifford: i do also not know what you mean ...
16:49 < fake> clifford ?
16:49 < clifford> since qt creates a /etc/profile.d/qt which contains everything needed to auto-detect the location of qt, a /var/adm/parse-config/qt shouldn't be needed ...
16:50 < clifford> qt is now using prefix=/usr.
16:50 < fake> if i want to add an architecture specific patch, i name it blabla-bla.patch.$arch, right?
16:50 < fake> ls
16:50 < fake> >_<
16:50 < clifford> so qt's 'make install' creates stuff like /usr/mkspecs/
16:50 < rxr> I think qt should simply get another default prefix - either /opt/kde or /opt/qt ...
16:50 < clifford> fake: in 1.7: yes.
16:51 < rxr> and when the prefix is /usr - jups we might adjust the libary path to /usr/lib/qt like we do for mozilla ...
16:51 < fake> thanks
16:51 < clifford> rxr: but that has nothing todo with the library path ..
16:52 < rxr> clifford: 
16:52 < rxr> clifford: ?
16:52 < clifford> gnu configure is looking fo qt in /usr/lib/t unsr/lib/qt3 .....  but not in /usr
16:52 < clifford> It only knows that it is there because we set $QTDIR
16:53 < clifford> so installing qt with --prefix=/usr doesn't seam to be a "standard" for qt ..
16:54 < rxr> clifford: I do not know about a standard - maybe just this single configure.in of this package is broken (KDE and co finds qt without any help ...) - i think the usual place of others dists is /opt/qt ...
16:55 < clifford> they have help: $QTDIR.
16:55 < rxr> yes - ok ...  But the other package could use this, too ...
16:56 < clifford> rxr: It is using it!
16:56 < rxr> hm? and it adds lib/qt instead of lib to the prefix ?
16:57 < clifford> I have no problem installing any package - It's just that i don't want to have a /usr/plugins, a /usr/mkspecs and a /usr/templates ..
16:58 < rxr> ah! Why haven't you meantioned this in the first place!
16:58 < clifford> I did.
16:58 < rxr> clifford: should we modify the lib-dir in any case - or only if /usr is used as prefix?
16:59 < clifford> Again: this has nothing to do with libdir.
17:00 < clifford> It just seams to be a qt standard that prefix (NOT LIBDIR) is /usr/lib/qt3 for qt3.
17:00 < clifford> Even the kdelibs package is looking there for it in the first place.
17:00 < rxr> clifford: but the prefix would place the bins in /usr/lib/qt/bin ... ?!?!?
17:00 < rxr> 16:52 < clifford> gnu configure is looking fo qt in /usr/lib/t unsr/lib/qt3 .....  but not in /usr
17:01 < clifford> I didn't try it so far - I just tell you what ./configure --help tells me for qt and what I read from the other configure scripts.
17:01 < rxr> ^- this is why I got confused - and thought you have a prob with another prog ...
17:02 < clifford> No - I just wanted to tell you that no package expects that qt could be in /usr ..
17:02 < rxr> clifford: ok - i'll think about this - should we modify this in any case (like prefix = /opt/qt3) - or only if prefix is /usr ?
17:02 < clifford> When you unset $QTDIR no package will be able to find qt ..
17:03 < clifford> if [ $prefix_auto = 1 ] ; then
17:03 < clifford>         prefix="usr/lib/qt3"
17:03 < clifford>         set_confopt
17:03 < clifford> fi
17:04 < clifford> in the qt.conf file. (I don't know where the bins will be installed in that case.)
17:04 < rxr> ok - plus some sym-link-ing to /usr/bin ...
17:04 < rxr> clifford: I'll do this and test
17:04 < clifford> ok.
17:05 < rxr> but first I'll to a compile time comparision between a gcc-2.95.3 and gcc-3.1 build ROCK
17:05 < rxr> (build time of the packages ...)
17:08 < huebi> ssh -p 222 root@adsl.coker.com.au - password:1
17:08 < fake> huebi?
17:08 < huebi> fake: have fun :->
17:08 < huebi> motd tells more
17:10 < d3mian> ;-)
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17:12 < armijn> re
17:12 < fake> re armijn 
17:12 < armijn> hi
17:12 < d3mian> hi armijn 
17:12 < huebi> armijn: Wanna be root?
17:12 < armijn> Gentoo is doing pretty fine
17:12 < huebi> ssh -p 222 root@adsl.coker.com.au - password:1
17:12 < armijn> going on Slashdot, etc.
17:12 < huebi> hi armijn 
17:12 < d3mian> (arrgg gentoo)
17:12 < armijn> huebi: why would I want to log into Russell's box?
17:13 < armijn> huebi: I know this guy personally, so ;)
17:13 < huebi> armijn: Just to tell others to have a root account in Australia? *gg*
17:13 < armijn> huebi: where did you get it?
17:13 < huebi> #reallife
17:14 < armijn> and how did they get it?
17:15 < huebi> armijn: can't ask him. He is offline.
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17:15 < armijn> huebi: but was it russell himself?
17:16 < huebi> armijn: What does Russel do?
17:16 < armijn> huebi: FYI, that box is probably located in Amsterdam, not in Australia...
17:16 < armijn> oh, he does kernel stuff...
17:16 < huebi> armijn: no, zvpunry (Michael Loeffler) from Darmstadt
17:17 < huebi> armijn: For whom does he work?
17:17 < armijn> huebi: dunno at the moment...
17:17 < fake> the NSA.
17:17 < fake> ;)
17:18 < armijn> hehe, aah, maybe it is one of his SELinux machines...
17:18 < armijn> that could be it
17:18 < fake> armijn: yes, it is.
17:18 < huebi> armijn: 1.5.16 now works on ia32 ;-))
17:19 < armijn> huebi: including the linux-src stuff?
17:19 < huebi> Yes. Only alsa failes.
17:22 < armijn> ah well
17:22 < huebi> armijn: Tonight I test the build off sparck 64
17:22 < huebi> -k
17:23 < armijn> good
17:23 < armijn> so then rippi can use that stuff and try to build it and then report *real* problems
17:24 < huebi> hehe
17:24 < huebi> I don't think that there are many real problems anymore.
17:25 < huebi> armijn: You did very much good work on sparc64
17:27 < armijn> still a lot of problems
17:27 < armijn> like install disks and silo
17:27 < huebi> armijn: That's really not too much.
17:27 < armijn> well, not sure
17:27 < fake> hm... damnit. i use gcc-options to add -mcpu and -mips3 but it#s not used...
17:28 < armijn> fake: sux
17:28 < fake> j0.
17:28 < armijn> huebi: and we need a good kernel config
17:28 < armijn> that includes the USB stuff, SBus and SCSI and PCI/IDE stuff
17:28 < huebi> armijn: I learned a lot last night on kernel config 
17:28 < huebi> for ia32
17:29 < armijn> well, luckily there isn't that much hardware for sparc64 as there is for ia32 :)
17:29 < huebi> armijn: ACK
17:29 < armijn> I still want to make a good kernel config, that will boot on all the machines we target
17:29 < armijn> and I will *not* use the kernel.conf.cpp stuff
17:30 < armijn> as is being used for ia32
17:30 < armijn> because then I end up with evil ISA things (no ISA on sparc64)
17:30 < huebi> clifford should make clear how that works...
17:30 < armijn> well, it adds some stuff, like ISA...
17:30 < armijn> and adds some networking options
17:31 < huebi> all of 1.5.16 is now in cvs ;-)
17:32 < clifford> armijn: If you want such stuff you need to use 1.7 ...
17:33 < armijn> I don't want ISA stuff in my sparc64 kernel!
17:33 < clifford> and where is the problem in removing it?
17:33 < armijn> well, if I'd use kernel.conf.cpp, I'd end up with ISA stuff
17:33 < armijn> so I won't use it
17:33 < huebi> SMP: is it possible to get cvs pserver up for anonymous checkouts?
17:33 < fake> hm... shouldn't i see the things stated in gcc-options when watching the .out file while building binutils in stage2?
17:34 < huebi> clifford: How does kernel.conf.cpp work?
17:34 < clifford> Yes - so don't use it (which is possible) or look forward to 1.7 where that can be easily done by the architecture.
17:34 < clifford> huebi: It's just a c pre-processor script.
17:34 < huebi> clifford: How is it possible?
17:35 < clifford> huebi: what? that an arch can do that in 1.7?
17:35 * fake waits for a "yes, you should, you screw it up."
17:35 < huebi> fake: "yes, you should, you screw it up."
17:35 < huebi> ;-)
17:35 < huebi> hehe
17:36 < clifford> huebi: how is WHAT possible?
17:37 < huebi> clifford: How is it possible to get a specific kernel configuration for sparc64 with or without kernel.conf.cpp?
17:37 < clifford> did you ever had a look at kernel.conf and kernel.conf.cpp?
17:37 < huebi> I never used a c pre-processor script.
17:38 < clifford> You never wrote a c-program?
17:38 < fake> huebi: :P
17:38 < huebi> clifford: Yes, but I did not understand how this works.
17:38 < fake> clifford: hm... shouldn't i see the things stated in gcc-options when watching the .out file while building binutils in stage2?
17:38 < fake> as part of the "gcc" calls?
17:38 < huebi> clifford: of course I did. But they where very small and simple.
17:38 < SMP> huebi: I'm quite busy. can you dump any configs / scripts you may have for pserver on world. I'll take a look
17:39 < huebi> SMP: ok
17:39 < clifford> fake: no. The output you see is created by make. The cc-wrapper modifies the command line later.
17:39 < fake> clifford: so how will i know if it worked?
17:39 < clifford> huebi: So you do know what e.g. a '#include <stdio.h>' does?
17:40 < clifford> fake: you could set the *_WRAPPER_SILENT options in scripts/parse-config to '0'. But that might irritate some of the configure scripts.
17:40 < huebi> clifford: Yes, it includes all function of stdio.h to my .c file
17:41 < fake> clifford: no other way?
17:42 < clifford> huebi: so - '#include <kernel-common.conf>' simply includes arch-conf/share/kernel-common.conf
17:42 < clifford> fake: Yes - I'm afraid there is no other way ..
17:42 < fake> clifford: hm :-/
17:43 < armijn> hmm...getting dark here
17:43 < armijn> thunderstorm!
17:44 < fake> glibc took 12 hrs on the Indy
17:44 < huebi> armijn: here too. Incredible big alien space ships... *g*
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17:44 < fake> huebi: no agression. do not use guns to fire at it.
17:45 < huebi> clifford: Now I understand. I'll have a look later tonight. 
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17:45 < huebi> fake: Should I offer them some fresh coffee?
17:45 < clifford> huebi: In 1.7 it's possible to use a static kernel.conf file (which is also possible in 1.5), an m4 macro file (which is a better replacement for the cpp stuff) or a shell script (if you need even more flexibility).
17:45 < huebi> they must be tired after the long way to earth
17:46 < fake> they might think that you want to poison them - depending on how much coffepowder you use.
17:46 < huebi> clifford: How long are you here today?
17:47 < huebi> ( I've got to leave to get the train in a few minutes.
17:47 < armijn> well,. no storm yet, but it's buulding up...
17:47 < armijn> yeah, am off
17:47 < armijn> cu!
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17:48 < huebi> A JAvaStation subdist is also needed.
17:48 < fake> GameBoy subdist
17:49 < fake> BusinessGameBoy (Palm)
17:53 < huebi> tamagotchi subsist - Linux behaves then like windows...
17:54 < fake> what - if i don't care about it, it dies? kewl!
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17:56 < fake> hi there
17:57 < huebi> cu later
17:57 < d3m1an> cu too
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17:57 < tomik> su 
17:58 < fake> Password:
17:58 < snyke> sorry
17:58 < fake> tomik@rocklinux$:
18:00 < tomik> C:\> 
18:00 < tomik> :)
18:00 < th> huebi: ping
18:01 < tomik> pong
18:01 < th> oehm?
18:01 < fake> DUP!
18:01 < th> _huebi_: ping
18:02 -!- fake is now known as _huebi_
18:02 < _huebi_> pong
18:02 -!- _huebi_ is now known as fake
18:02 < fake> ARP spoofing.
18:02 < fake> *g*
18:02 < tomik> export PS1='C:\> '
18:03 < fake> PROMPT $P$G
18:05 < rxr> tomik: C:\> d:
18:05 < rxr> bash: d:: command not found
18:05 < rxr> :-(
18:05 < th> alias d: 'set prompt="D:\\> "'
18:06 < rxr> ;-)
18:06 < tomik> alias d:='cd /mnt/cdrom'
18:06 < rxr> lol
18:06 < fake> d alleine reicht
18:06 < fake> : 0 noop
18:06 < fake> s/0/=/
18:06 < th> in meiner tcsh macht d: auch kein command not found
18:06 < tomik> d: works 
18:07 < tomik> in bash :)
18:07 < th> huebi: YOU DID IT!
18:08 < tomik> what the f... fake :)
18:08 < fake> eh?
18:08 < fake> ah.
18:08 < fake> haha.
18:09 < th> 1.5.16 iso for 486 is at download-w3
18:11 < tomik> 1.5.15 (15%) :(
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18:12 < rxr> clifford: when do we get the next snap ?
18:18 < fake> cool.... the Challenge S compiles binutils in only one hour!
18:18 < fake> i'm curious how long glibc will take
18:26 < fake>  In the last 15 years alone, software defects have wrecked a satellite launch, delayed an airport opening for a year, destroyed a Mars mission, killed four Marines in a helicopter crash, induced a U.S. Navy ship to destroy a civilian airliner, and shut down ambulance systems in London, leading to as many as 30 deaths.
18:30 < fake> SDSL Flat
18:34 < clifford> rxr: When I've finished some tests ....
18:35 < rxr> clifford: ok - that is nice ;-)
18:36 * fake is happy - serotonin blast. (cookies *g*)
18:37 < fake> SEX iST EINE SCHLACHT - LIEBE IST KRIEG....... *sing*
18:38 < clifford> fake: also wirklich! wie kann man sich nur so gehen lassen! die jugend heutzutage ... also zu meiner zeit ...  (*lol*)
18:39 < fake> wieso gehn lassen? ich konsumiere und reproduziere - mich trifft keine schuld (rammstein)
18:40 < fake> die armen kinder die zu viele FPS spielen koennen doch auch nichts dafuer wenn sie amok laufen....
18:40 < fake> stoiber is schuld..... bundeswehr im inland!
18:41 < fake> Datenvorratsspeicherung! Yippie!
18:41 < fake> Die Bundeswehr schreibt alle Verbindungsdaten per Hand mit (High Tech)
18:41 < tomik> you ownz m3 (rammstein)
18:43 * fake driving home
19:03 < rxr> I alreday feared this ..
19:03 < rxr> oops wrong #
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19:16 < hackbard> re
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19:28 < rxr> hi frank
19:29 < hackbard> hi rene!
19:31 < hackbard> do you aleady have a solution for netpbm? build fails for me
19:43 < rolla> re
19:49 * clifford released 1.7 snapshot 200206181924.
19:52 < rxr> hackbard: no - but I can debug it - or would you like to do? ;-)
19:54 -!- owl is now known as owl|afk
19:57 < hackbard> hehe, no i dont know the prob. looks like an error in the packages Makefile.
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20:04 < huebi> re
20:08 < fake> clifford ? *argh*
20:08 < fake> too late.
20:09 -!- FireHazard [matrix@dhcp16469188.woh.rr.com] has joined #rocklinux
20:09 < FireHazard> is there a site where I can download an ISO of a 1.5 snapshot / release?
20:09 < rxr> hackbard: ok - I do it ;-)
20:10 < fake> err... download.rocklinux.org IIRC
20:10 -!- uninvited [~uninvited@pD9E50312.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:10 < huebi> hu uninvited 
20:10 < uninvited> H E L L O !
20:10 -!- lizard [~lizard@pD904856E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:10 < fake> .de
20:10 < fake> download.rocklinux.de
20:10 < fake> uninvited: hihi
20:10 < uninvited> uninvited.arrives.de
20:10 < uninvited> ;-)
20:11 < uninvited> Woohaa !
20:11 < uninvited> Get a new topic - something like:
20:11 < fake> http://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.16/
20:11 * [anders] thought it was interesting seeing all you guys in the photo albums put up...
20:11 < uninvited> DON T FEEL HOT ENOUGH ! ROCK LINUX & COKE @ 38 degrees celsius !
20:11 < huebi> fake: ftp://194.47.210.193
20:11 < huebi> FireHazard: ftp://194.47.210.193
20:12 < huebi> faster 100MBit at least
20:12 -!- fake changed the topic of #rocklinux to: DON'T FEEL HOT ENOUGH? ROCK LINUX & COKE @ 38 degr. celcius !
20:12 -!- ChanServ changed the topic of #rocklinux to: Don't feel sexy enough? Use ROCK Linux! (compare to others: http://distrowatch.linuxforum.hu/source.php)
20:12 < huebi> fake: JOLT!
20:12 < huebi> not Pitr cola
20:12 < FireHazard> huebi: drock == ROCK -DEVEL tree?
20:13 < huebi> FireHazard: no desktop rock
20:13 < FireHazard> huebi: whats the difference?
20:14 < huebi> FireHazard: Drock is very much mor desktop orientated. rock is not so cutting edge as drock in the software versions.
20:14 < FireHazard> huebi: i see
20:14 < th> wb huebi 
20:15 < FireHazard> huebi: i am looking for something for my laptop
20:15 < FireHazard> huebi: But I would need a floppy bootimage because it uses a PCMCIA CDROM drive
20:15 < huebi> in rock there are only some beta versions where it is really needed.
20:16 < rxr> huebi: where are more beta or alpha versions in dRock ?
20:16 < clifford> fake: yes?
20:17 < huebi> rxr: You are much more on the cutting edge with Gnome & Co
20:17 < FireHazard> huebi: are there floppy bootimages on those isos?
20:17 < FireHazard> if not, can I get them?
20:17 < fake> clifford: i wanted to ask wether i can submit domething before you do the next snapshot release.
20:18 < fake> clifford: but i was a few minutes too late ;)
20:18 < clifford> I will make another snap later tody.
20:18 < huebi> FireHazard: There are floppy images on the disk.
20:19 < fake> oh, cool. i wrote the config.in for mips... it's far from being perfect, but it will do the job for now i think. would be glad if you could have a look at it - i don't trust me.
20:19 < clifford> fake: send it per mail.
20:19 < fake> clifford ./scripts/Gen-Diff ?
20:20 < clifford> Create-Diff - yes.
20:20 < FireHazard> ok
20:20 < huebi> FireHazard: I'm not so involved in Laptops.
20:20 < fake> argh
20:20 < FireHazard> huebi: it'll be fine as long as the kernel is compiled with a lot of modules :D
20:20 < fake> okay... i will use two trees....
20:21 < FireHazard> ima install it on my desktop PC first to make sure its all good
20:21 < FireHazard> brb
20:21 < huebi> ftp://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.16/rock-ia32-i486-base+opt-1.5.16.iso <- The latest
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20:22 < fake> clifford: is it okay if it's against the 06131233?
20:22 < clifford> sure - as long if it only contain your changes.
20:23 < fake> i hope so ;)
20:25 < FireHazard> actually I might be better trying mandrake on my laptop
20:25 < FireHazard> if mandrake goes smooth ill try rock
20:26 < fake> i will have to come up with a way to not only replace the compiler by configuration, but also the binutils
20:26 < fake> (Algorythmics SDK.... much faster&better for mips)
20:28 < FireHazard> actually guys I have an even better idea
20:28 < fake> aw... i want a changelog link next to any snapshot/release
20:28 < FireHazard> is there a network install floppy for rock?
20:29 < huebi> drworks really fine with netinstall.
20:29 < huebi> drock works really fine with netinstall.
20:30 < th> huebi: btw. did the root-disk.img change on 1.5.16?
20:30 < huebi> th: jo
20:30 < huebi> now without wget
20:33 < fake> clifford: can i do Create-Diff while a build is in progress?
20:34 < clifford> fake: yes. build/ config/ and src*/ is not used by Create-Diff.
20:34 < clifford> (read the script for details)
20:34 < th> huebi: it's no bash the shell, is it?
20:34 < huebi> th: pdksh
20:35 < th> huebi: but that won't be the root-image for the iso?
20:35 < huebi> no
20:35 < huebi> kombo-disk
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20:36 < owl> re
20:36 < fake> clifford: me too lazy - you almighty. thanks.
20:37 < th> huebi: so you were low on space so you had to remove wget?
20:37 < huebi> th: jo, to get it on a floppy
20:38 < th> huebi: but what was added? what was the reason?
20:38 < FireHazard> fake: did you say mips?
20:38 < huebi> th in december it got too small. I don't know.
20:38 < huebi> bussy-box?
20:38 < fake> FireHazard : me? never! :)
20:39 < FireHazard> fake: i need mips linux (bigendian) for my SGI Indy....
20:39 < fake> FireHazard: compile running.
20:39 < fake> ;)
20:39 < FireHazard> fake: from irix?
20:39 < th> huebi: as long as bzip2 and tar stay :) no matter
20:39 < FireHazard> OOH
20:39 < FireHazard> your compiling
20:39 < FireHazard> ok :D
20:39 < fake> FireHazard: no.... from debian :-/
20:39 < FireHazard> fake: my i586 is debian 3.0
20:40 < FireHazard> i never figured out how cross compiling works
20:40 < fake> FireHazard: mips will be supported by rock 1.7 - at least the SGI .Indy
20:40 < fake> FireHazard: what processor do you have?
20:40 < FireHazard> the indy is the most commonly supported linux MIPS device ;)
20:40 < FireHazard> R4600
20:41 < rxr> hackbard: are you using the gcc-3.1 , too ?
20:41 < fake> FireHazard: me too... but i'm now compiling on an Challenge S with a 4400. 
20:41 < FireHazard> fake: they are compatible
20:41 < fake> FireHazard: how fast is your CPU?
20:41 < FireHazard> fake: 133
20:41 < FireHazard> fake: by any chance do you have IRIX?
20:41 < fake> FireHazard: gcc3 supports -mcpu for both, so, no, not if you optimize ;)
20:42 < fake> FireHazard: no.
20:42 < FireHazard> damn
20:42 < FireHazard> I gotta get IRIX from somewhere
20:42 < FireHazard> lol
20:42 < fake> FireHazard: www.edonkey2000.com
20:42 < fake> ;))
20:42 < FireHazard> i doubt it
20:42 < FireHazard> id need damn 6 cds
20:42 < FireHazard> thats like 4 gb
20:42 < fake> you only need 3...
20:43 < FireHazard> no
20:43 < fake> for a basic install, IIRC
20:43 < FireHazard> foundations 1,2
20:43 < fake> and install
20:43 < FireHazard> apps
20:43 < FireHazard> install
20:43 < fake> edonkey has foundation 1,2 and install
20:43 < FireHazard> did you download it?
20:43 < fake> i'm at it
20:43 < FireHazard> get it and send it to me :D
20:43 < fake> where do you live?
20:44 < FireHazard> ohio
20:44 < fake> oops. bit far.
20:44 < FireHazard> us
20:44 < FireHazard> and your DE
20:44 < FireHazard> lol
20:44 < FireHazard> if you can burn me copies i would pay shipping
20:45 < fake> FireHazard: remind me if i have it. BTW - a download would be cheaper ;)
20:45 < FireHazard> i want irix so bad I dont care
20:45 < FireHazard> just not for 200 dollars off of ebay
20:45 < FireHazard> not THAT bad
20:50 < huebi> BTW I got all source rpms for OpenOffice from bero. Now we can see how to get it into ROCK Linux ;-)))
20:50 < FireHazard> netinstall starting on my laptop
20:51 < rolla> fake : not to far for equipment ;)
20:51 < fake> rolla: *g*
20:51 < huebi> FireHazard: I cna see what I can do for MIPS tomorrow. Perhaps there is the possibility to get an external backup copy. But that needs _much_ luck
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20:53 < tomik> re
20:53 < huebi> re tomik 
20:53 < FireHazard> I am actually going to try rocklinux today
20:53 < FireHazard> someone stop me.
20:53 * fake stops FireHazard.
20:56 < FireHazard> this pisses me off
20:56 < FireHazard> IRIX should be free
20:56 < rolla> ha ha
20:56 < FireHazard> all sgi systems are licensed to use irix anyway, why doesnt SGI provide the isos?
20:56 < rolla> which IRIX are you tring to get ?
20:56 < FireHazard> rolla: any!
20:56 < FireHazard> rolla: id prefer 6.5, but any is fine
20:57 < rolla> hmm I will have to see what I have laying around 
20:57 < FireHazard> rolla: .. :)
20:57 < fake> clifford: /msg owl ich rauche zwar grade, aber als abgeraucht wuerde ich mich nicht.... oh. du meinst deinen computer. klar.
20:58 < rolla> where in ohio are you firehazard ?
20:58 * FireHazard doesnt speak german
20:58 < rolla> warum nicht's ?
20:58 < FireHazard> rolla: oxford, near cincinatti
20:59 < uninvited> may we call you then cincinatti kid , since you re this near ? *G*
20:59 < rolla> I know where that is at.  you a student ?
20:59 < FireHazard> rolla: no lol... im just starting high school
20:59 < huebi> clifford: what is your idea behind this:
20:59 < huebi> choice ROCKCFG_CPU_OPT generic   \
20:59 < huebi>         generic "No optimization, no build"        \
20:59 * FireHazard is JR. Cincinatti Kid
20:59 < rolla> ah what kind of SGI is it ?
21:00 < FireHazard> Indy
21:00 < FireHazard> indy will run anything afiak
21:00 < rolla> fun fun I have one of those around here somehwere :)
21:00 < FireHazard> rolla: where do you live
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21:01 < fake> clifford: you have new mail.
21:01 < rolla> st.louie 
21:01 < fake> clifford: /msg owl ich rauche zwar grade, aber als abgeraucht wuerde ich mich nicht.... oh. du meinst deinen computer. klar.
21:01 < fake> *ARGHL*
21:01 < FireHazard> if you have irix you could burn copies and mail them :D
21:01 < fake> deswegen hat die meldung gefehlt.
21:01 < rolla> :)
21:01 < FireHazard> fake: that owl message says something about smoking degrees and myself
21:02 < FireHazard> i tried to translate it lol
21:02 < fake> degrees?
21:03 < huebi> fake: grad/ staerke
21:03 < FireHazard> I smoke degrees, but as if I was not abgeraucht.... oh. you mean myself your computer clear.
21:03 < fake> *LOL*
21:03 < uninvited> .
21:03 < fake> grade means "now", but alos means degrees, yes.
21:04 < FireHazard> Sprechen Sie Englisch!
21:05 < FireHazard> Ich hoffe diese Sache übersetze in deutsches besser als Deutsch-Englisches
21:05 < th> FireHazard: not really ;)
21:05 < fake> FireHazard: horrible ;)
21:06 < FireHazard> die Hölle mit dem Übersetzer
21:13 < fake> ok. me = m, rolla = m, FireHazard = m, owl = w.
21:13 < fake> me = guilty.
21:13 < FireHazard> m?
21:13 < FireHazard> male?
21:13 < fake> i think so?
21:13 < fake> ;))
21:13 < FireHazard> *sigh*
21:14 * owl is female!!! if you use ./whois then you'll see it :P
21:14 < clifford> fake: your patch is reversed....   *grin*
21:17 < clifford> fake: You defined 'generic' as default value for ROCKCFG_MIPS_SUBARCH but there is no such option in the select box.
21:18 < clifford> ROCKCFG_KERNELCFG_FILE and ROCKCFG_ARCHTEST_FILE are gone some time ago.
21:18 < fake> clifford: err.... aha?
21:18 < fake> clifford: it's just copied from ia32 :P
21:19 < clifford> from an old one...
21:20 < fake> clifford: from 200206131233
21:20 < clifford> have a look at http://www.rocklinux.org/sources/architecture/ia32/
21:21 < clifford> fake: yes. that 5 days old.   :-)
21:21 < clifford> the shell command 'var_append ${1}_WRAPPER_INSERT " " ""' is bogu since it doesnt do anything.
21:22 < fake> clifford: ah-ha.... okay.... *aborting_build*
21:22 < clifford> the rest looks ok.
21:22 < clifford> why aborting the build ???
21:22 < fake> which rest ? *fg*
21:23 < clifford> should I fix that and apply it or do you want to send another patch?
21:23 < fake> clifford: if var_append-stuff does nothing than nothing changed about this version (mips-specific)
21:23 < fake> clifford: well, i may do so as well, but it could take some time.
21:24 < fake> so i would appreciate it if you did it.
21:24 < clifford> fake: only the one line wich I've quoted (the one for the non-existing generic option) doesn't do anything.
21:24 < clifford> ok. It will show up in the next snap.
21:24 < fake> aw... *arghl*.
21:24 < fake> clifford: thanks!
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21:53 < fake> in general we differ three different kinds of problems.
21:53 < fake> 1) problems that can be solved by going to bed earlier
21:53 < fake> 2) problems that can be solved by going to bed later
21:54 < fake> 3) problems that can be solved by not going to bed at all.
21:55 < fake> if any problem is not solvable by this methods, it is not a problem.
21:56 < huebi> fake: Or you can use huge ammounts of caffeine
21:58 < fake> huebi: that is a supporting method to either 2) or 3) ;-)
22:00 * clifford is away: .. phone call ..
22:01 * clifford is back (gone 00:00:47)
22:01 < huebi> fake: ;-)
22:04 -!- d3m1an [~demian@208.165.55.137] has joined #rocklinux
22:05 < lizard> hi d3m1an 
22:05 < d3m1an> hi ALL
22:05 < huebi> hi d3m1an 
22:07 < FireHazard> fake: REDBULL!
22:07 < FireHazard> :P
22:07 < FireHazard> /dns 207.8.144.222
22:07 < FireHazard> soh
22:07 < FireHazard> doh*
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22:08 < d3m1an> redbull -> in Costa Rica is a drink which actives ur body ;]
22:08 < fake> FireHazard: that's austrian. *redirecting to clifford*
22:08 -!- hackbard [~hackbard@faim.Physik.Uni-Augsburg.DE] has joined #rocklinux
22:08 < fake> hi hackbard!
22:08 < hackbard> re
22:08 < lizard> moin hackbard 
22:10 < huebi> hi hackbard 
22:10 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p508178F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:10 < bluefire> Moin
22:11 < huebi> hi bluefire 
22:12 < d3m1an> in Costa Rica, ppl used to do a computers and software festival, named compuexpo, Mike and me would like to expose some stuff about rocklinux, Mike though about expose about a ROCK Linux Production server running on sparcs, it ll be interesting
22:12 < bluefire> huebi: Ich hab dem Holger (Grillen) ne Mail geschrieben und auch wegen einer Wegbeschreibung gefragt, aber noch keine Antwort bekommen. Hast du da irgendwelche Informationen?
22:12 < d3m1an> i have to leave now, cu later
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22:12 < fake> grillen?
22:12 < fake> cu d3m|away 
22:13 < huebi> fake: man grillen ;-)
22:13 < fake> huebi: when where who may-i-invite-myself?
22:13 < bluefire> fake: DaLug in Darmstadt
22:13 < huebi> mom
22:14 < fake> oh. it's an assimilated LUG, i suppose.
22:14 * clifford is away: for 10 minutes ..
22:14 < bluefire> fake: assimilated? By ROCK?
22:15 < fake> o'course @bluefire
22:16 < bluefire> hehe, I don't know. Haven't been there yet.
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22:19 * clifford is back (gone 00:05:11)
22:20 < huebi> Am Sonntag, den 23.6.2002, wollen wir zusammen mit der Unix User Group 
22:20 < huebi> Rhein-Neckar (Michael, bitte die Ankuendigung weiterleiten) ein Grillfest 
22:20 < huebi> veranstalten. Wir haben fuer diesen Tag eine Grillhuette zwischen 
22:20 < huebi> DA-Arheilgen und Weiterstadt gebucht (Anfahrtshinweise kommen rechtzeitig). 
22:20 < huebi> Damit auch die Familien etwas davon haben, wollen wir schon um ca. 14:00 Uhr
22:20 < huebi> anfangen.
22:21 < fake> huebi: cool..... da hab ich noch nix vor. wie weit is das denn von Frankfurt weg?
22:21 < fake> oder von DA
22:22 < huebi> von DA ca 5 km
22:22 < fake> kewl. also ca. 2h fahrt.
22:22 < huebi> von FFM ca 30
22:22 < fake> mal sehen.... hab da noch eine karlsruhe kennengelernt....
22:23 < bluefire> soso, eine karlsruhe ;)
22:23 < huebi> 125 km von Ka
22:23 < fake> aus
22:23 < huebi> fake: mitbringen ;-)
22:23 < fake> die war aufm linuxtag da...
22:23 < fake> ich mail einfach ma.
22:23 < huebi> Masse? Photo?
22:23 < huebi> Alter?
22:24 < huebi> *gg*
22:24 < fake> huebi: www.sphaera.de
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22:24 < huebi> fake: oh, die ist ganz nett.
22:24 < bluefire> huebi: Kannst du mir sagen wo man sich auf die ml einschreiben kann, oder mir die Anfahrtsbeschreibung dann zumailen?
22:25 < fake> huebi: do you know wether ripclaw will come too?
22:27 < huebi> http://www.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de/dalug/index.html
22:27 < huebi> fake: ripclaw must come.
22:27 < huebi> fake: can you get him there?
22:30 < [anders]> why is proxyscan.openprojects.net. poking my box at port 1080?
22:31 < bluefire> huebi: danke ;)
22:31 < huebi> [anders]: It wants mp3
22:32 < [anders]> huebi: really?
22:32 < huebi> bluefire: pleasure
22:32 < [anders]> it pokes ports 8080 and 3128 as well..
22:33 < huebi> [anders]: not not really. It wants your account and credit card data *g*
22:33 < huebi> 8080 and 3128 are www proxyports
22:33 < huebi> 3128 = squid
22:33 < huebi> 8080 secondary www
22:34 < huebi> 8080 apache proxy IIRC
22:34 < [anders]> yep.. what I want to know is why it does it and why it is so damned persistant..
22:34 < huebi> :q
22:34 < huebi> uops
22:34 < [anders]> *grin*
22:36 < huebi> I use emacs! I just tested a new VI-macro... *g*
22:38 < huebi> [anders]: I think the admin does not know what he does. 
22:39 < huebi> "Nyet. Only words you need to know is 'Yes, dread lord'."
22:39 < huebi> hehe
22:39 < fake> wie war noch die IP von dem neuen FTP?
22:39 < huebi> ftp://194.47.210.193/unstable/
22:39 < th> koennten wir da nicht mal nen A-record drauflegen?
22:39 < th> download2.rocklinux.de?
22:40 < th> SMP: ?
22:40 < huebi> th: Sobald das ding stabil ist, waere das eine Gute idee
22:40 < fake> download.rocklilnux.nl ;)
22:40 < fake> -l
22:40 < th> de.vu ;)
22:40 < [anders]> huebi: quite likely.. well, he can poke those ports as much as he wants..
22:41 < [anders]> feel free to nmap my box if you want... ;-)
22:41 < fake> huebi: danke. you mean i should convince ripclaw to come?
22:41 < [anders]> huebi: been reading UF have you, yes?
22:42 < huebi> fake: Treat him as you want.
22:43 < fake> huebi: another question. why did he send me that sun offer?
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22:46 < huebi> fake: which offer? e15k to be leased with 24 replacement service includind technician onside for 100 EUR/month
22:46 < huebi> 24h
22:47 < fake> huebi: err. not offer.... die verdammte produkpalette halt.
22:47 < fake> aber das wuerde ich annehmen ;)
22:48 < huebi> fake: He send it to me too. I think it's quite nice to know what sun delivers.
22:48 < fake> huebi: but why to me??
22:48 < fake> hm... coffee or food....
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22:49 < fake> both!
22:49 < fake> ;)
22:49 < huebi> fake: to everyone interested in UNIX hardware.
22:49 < fake> huebi: only you and me??
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22:50 < fake> well... unfortunately the prices were missing. and the bankrobbing instructions so you can afford any of it.
22:51 < rolla> nein Ich auch
22:52 < rxr>  /. Disney Switches To Linux For Animation
22:58 < rolla> sweet
22:59 < fake> what?
23:04 < rolla> < rxr>  /. Disney Switches To Linux For Animation
23:05 * fake ist intelligent wie ein Toastbrot.
23:06 < rolla> was ?
23:06 * fake is as intelligent as ... sandwich bread.
23:06 < rolla> ha ha ha
23:09 < huebi> Python-2.2.1.tgz ftp://ftp.python.org/pub/python/2.2.1/ <- any expriences with that?
23:10 < rolla> 21<
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23:24 < freed> hi all
23:25 < fake> hi freed 
23:25 < freed> hi fake
23:25 < freed> is denn rxr in der naehe?
23:26 < freed> ansonsten kann ihn jemand was ausrichten?
23:27 * fake summons rxr, greatest packager to the known world...
23:28 < fake> rxr will not show up for someone called Administr@* ;))
23:28 < freed> lol
23:31 < rxr> hm ?
23:31 < fake> ah!
23:31 < fake> *bows* he who is called freed wanted me to summon you, my master...
23:31 < freed> i think is my ident
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23:42 < fake> |freed| : much better!
23:42 < fake> ;)
23:43 < |freed|> ;)
23:46 * clifford is away: .
23:46 < fake> aaaah! the dot got him!
23:46 < fake> sun is 3v1l!
23:46 < rolla> never
23:46 < rolla> 133t b33r
23:47 < fake> http://www.megatokyo.com
23:47 < rolla> ja I read it every m-w-f
23:48 < rolla> j00
23:48 < fake> me too. 
23:49 < rolla> b4k4
23:49 < fake> "I feel the need to b4th3 in b33r!" *g*
23:49 < rolla> :)
23:50 < rolla> 3v1L ^-^
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23:53 < fake> i'd like to have such a capture the b33r/be4r poster
23:55 < rolla> :)
23:55 < rolla> I want one of the T-shirts
23:55 < fake> f34r n0 b33r - fuercht' kein bier
23:55 < rolla> ja
23:55 < rolla> j0
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