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00:01 < fake> re owl.
00:02 < fake> punktlich puenktlich ;)
00:02 < owl> was denn? 
00:02 < owl> du meintest t-isdn-xxl <--> freenet-wechsel?
00:03 < fake> jep ;)
00:03 < term_aweh> good night
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00:04 < owl> tja. t-offline soll schließlich ned all mein geld bekommen... 
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00:06 < aszlig> oh, stimmt ja...
00:06 < aszlig> fast vergessen *wechsel*
00:08 < aszlig> re
00:53 < tsa> n8
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01:46 < fake> ha!
01:46 < fake> i've got it.
01:46 < fake> 1) build perl
01:46 < fake> 2) re-build autoconf
01:46 < fake> 3) build gcc3
01:47 * fake making s/th to eat
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03:13 < rxr> n8 - cu
03:13 < fake> n8!
03:21 < hackbard> jawoll, n8 :)
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07:59 < huebi> moin
08:11 < aszlig> re
08:18 < huebi> hi aszlig 
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09:14 < tsa> moin allerseits.
09:32 < huebi> moin tsa 
09:36 < tsa> hi huebi
09:36 < SMP> aaaaaargh
09:38 < SMP> es ist so geil wenn die Festplatte in nem packetfilter entscheidet, dass sie bei Schreibbefehlen sich einfach irgendwie pikiert zurueckzieht
09:39 < SMP> 5,5 Stunden downtime incl. 2h Anfahrt. nicht mal wirklich schlecht
09:40 < tsa> SMP: hm....ROCK read-only und dann alles von CD? ;-)
09:41 < SMP> OpenBSD
09:41 < tsa> ah..ok.
09:41 < SMP> das 'packetfilter' war schon ernst gemeint :}
09:42 < rxr> re
09:42 < tsa> moin rxr
09:42 < rxr> hi tsa 
09:42 < SMP> WAAAHHH huebi!!
09:42 * SMP hat grad ein riesiges Paket bekommen
09:43 < SMP> und da muss ich jetzt ne Woche mit dem Auspacken warten
09:43 < SMP> ;-))
09:43 < tsa> ?
09:43 < SMP> steht drauf 'Alles Gute zum Geburtstag'
09:44 < tsa> achso..
09:44 < huebi> SMP: Sofort auspacken ;-))))
09:44 < SMP> echt? ;)
09:44 * SMP ahnt schon was es ist :)
09:44 < huebi> In ernst. Macht Spass
09:44 < tsa> ne SuSE-Distri? *duck*
09:46 < SMP> *zerr*
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09:46 < [anders]> re all
09:46 < tsa> hi [anders]
09:46 < [anders]> hiya tsa.. what's happening?
09:47 < SMP> *WAAHHH*
09:47 < SMP> YES!
09:47 < SMP> it's a Java Station
09:47 < SMP> übercool
09:47 * SMP jumps around huebi 
09:49 < SMP> huebi: Vielen Dank!
09:50 < tsa> [anders]: SMP unpacking his birthday presents before birthday..
09:50 < huebi> SMP: Gern geschehen ;-)))
09:50 < [anders]> tsa: hehehehe
09:50 < huebi> tsa: SMP ist diese Jahr eine Woche frueher ein Jahr aelter geworden *g*
09:52 < huebi> [anders]: SMP got this year one week earlyer one year older.
09:55 < [anders]> huebi: aaah.. :)
09:55 < [anders]> birthday come early for SMP... :)
09:56 < [anders]> SMP: Gutes Geburstag (or thereabouts...)
09:57 < SMP> thanks, but .. not yet :)
09:57 < [anders]> I have _no_ clue if that is correct german or not.. :)
09:57 < [anders]> was I even close?
09:57 < SMP> very close
09:58 < [anders]> so what is the correct version then?
09:59 < SMP> 'Guten Geburtstag' would be gramatically correct. one usually says 'Alles Gute zum Geburtstag'
10:00 < [anders]> needless to say it was along time ago I did german..
10:03 < fake> *yaaaawns* mornin
10:03 < fake> *reads backlog* hehe.
10:03 < huebi> SMP: The 32-Bit userland of ROCK Linux 1.5.16 for sparc64 works for the "Krupps". It just needs a 32-Bit XFree86 and a 32-Bit kernel for it. I'll send you a CD.
10:03 < huebi> hi fake 
10:03 < tsa> moin fake
10:03 * huebi searching some coffee
10:03 < SMP> huebi: you mean 'a CD image'? ;)
10:04 < fake> *sing* Hapy Birthday (soon) to you... Happy Birthday (in advance) to you... etc. @SMP
10:04 < SMP> I pretty much hate birthdays
10:04 < SMP> including my own
10:05 < huebi> SMP: Yes, I would prefer that way. And you can have a look at "ella" for an quite good working tftp, nfsd and dhcpd configuration.
10:06 < SMP> I need a hostname for it..
10:06 < fake> SMP: i know what you mean. i cloaked mine succesfully this year ;)
10:06 < SMP> huebi: what was your daughter's name again? does it make a goot hostname, too? ;)
10:06 < fake> his daughter is a l33t ubergeek
10:06 < huebi> SMP: Ella-Charlotte
10:06 < fake> she can draw ascii art already!
10:07 < huebi> rocklinux.dyndns.org = ella.seeheim.lan
10:07 < huebi> fake: Yes that was koool!! ;-))
10:07 < SMP> so this JavaStation will be charlotte.wronline.de
10:07 < huebi> SMP: koool ;-)
10:09 < SMP> hum
10:09 < SMP> is there any documentation about running JavaOS on it?
10:10 < huebi> SMP: I can give you also a JavaOS CD for it.
10:10 < SMP> that would be great
10:11 < huebi> hmm. And a small SparcStation IPX for running Solaris for the JavaOS-Server
10:11 < SMP> uhm
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10:12 < holyolli> moin
10:12 < huebi> moin holyolli 
10:12 < holyolli> huhu huebi
10:12 < fake> hi holyolli 
10:12 < holyolli> hi fake
10:12 < SMP> what kind of server does a JavaStation expect?
10:12 < praenti> moin
10:13 < SMP> the usual dhcp, tftp and nfs?
10:13 < holyolli> hi praenti, smp
10:13 < SMP> anything special?
10:13 < huebi> SMP: It's some special stuff. I never tried that but it's called 'Netra J'
10:13 < fake> something like WebInstaller?
10:14 < SMP> yes, I remember that name
10:14 < SMP> might it be possible to run this on Solaris 2.6/x86?
10:16 < huebi> SMP: Perhaps, I don't know. I got all the manuals and the software CD
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10:17 < huebi> But JavaOS must be very slow. Too slow to work with it
10:17 < simon-> hi, vieleicht könnt ihr mir ja helfen: Mounting proc filesystem: dup2: bad file descriptor
10:17 < simon-> what does that mean?
10:18 < simon-> an how to fix it?
10:18 < SMP> huebi: ich hab ne Schwaeche fuer stinkende, alte, proprietaere Systeme ;->
10:18 < SMP> wie IRIX..
10:18 < tsa> hehe
10:19 < huebi> SMP: Die JavaStation wurde mit Haendedesinfektionsmittel gereinigt. Die sollte so ein bischen nach Bluemchen riechen und _Nicht_ stinken. *g*
10:19 < tsa> lol.
10:20 < simon-> ihr wisst auch nichts?
10:20 < tsa> simon-: evtl ist der mount-point hin?
10:20 < SMP> simon-: funktioniert irgendwas nicht?
10:21 < simon-> SMP hmm.. nichts funktioniert mehr :-(
10:21 < SMP> uh
10:21 < simon-> das war ein software root raid1 unter redhat 7.2
10:21 < fake> SMP: hast du IRIX media??
10:21 < simon-> das ist die nachricht die ich beim booten erhalte.. direkt nachdem das init system anläuft
10:22 < simon-> und das war ein produktivsystem in dem 3 wochen arbeit stecken.. ;-(((
10:22 < fake> simon- : bootdisketten besorgen, die den software-raid verstehen, und dann durchceken
10:22 < fake> (wie kann man einen software- oder ueberhaupt-raid auf ein root-fs machen?)
10:22 < simon-> fake schonmal diesen fehler gehabt?
10:22 < SMP> fake: quasi
10:23 < simon-> fake wie oder warum?
10:23 < fake> SMP: ich nehme an: verliehen? Eigentuemer, aber nicht Besitzer?
10:23 < SMP> quasi
10:23 < fake> simon-: ignoriere das in klammern. das ist was ich denke - das kannst du gar nich sehen ;P
10:23 < simon-> fake ok..
10:23 < fake> SMP: ich glaube ich verstehe quasi.
10:24 < fake> SMP: nicht.
10:24 < simon-> fake meinst also dass das raid einfach tot ist..
10:24 < simon-> sollte doch aber trotzdem hochlaufen und das raid im betrieb neu erstellen oder?
10:25 < fake> wie gesagt: besorg dir / bau dir ne bootdisk, die das gleiche raid spricht, und checke die fs's
10:25 < simon-> fake danke, ich versuchs..
10:26 < fake> viel glueck ;)
10:26 < simon-> fake danke.. ich werde es brauchen (mich beunruhigt das sowas unter google nicht zufinden ist!)
10:27 < simon-> bin jetzt mal bootdisks bauen..
10:27 < huebi> simon-: Bei google werden schlechte Sachen ueber Rothut ausgemappt.
10:27 < huebi> *GG*
11:11 < esden> morgen!
11:11 < huebi> hi esden 
11:11 < holyolli> moin esden
11:12 < aszlig> hollu
11:12 < esden> only a little info for the ones that do not know that already ... gentoo sux ... but now for sure
11:12 < esden> I have tested it yesterday
11:13 < aszlig> i dont use gentoo anymore, can yuo tellme _why_ it sucks?
11:14 < tsa> hardcoded dependencies.
11:14 < esden> I have two a4 pages with my observations I will send them to the mailinglist
11:14 < tsa> cool.
11:14 < aszlig> uuh, k
11:14 * tsa expecting mail.
11:15 * aszlig too ;)
11:16 < huebi> </AOL> me too! <AOL>
11:16 < tsa> they do have some nice features, sure...so i think it's a good opportunity what we could improve on rock linux..
11:16 < th> re
11:16 < huebi> Please notice the special AOL tags *g*
11:16 < huebi> hi th 
11:17 < tsa> hehe
11:17 < th> huebi: they don't know enough xml  ;)
11:17 < tsa> hehe
11:17 < tsa> hi th
11:17 < huebi> th: <AOL> Haben Sie Post? </AOL>
11:17 < th> huebi: aber noch nicht von dir. an welche adresse hast du geschickt?
11:18 < th> hausnummer 8 oder 12?
11:18 < huebi> th: Jo. I had a look around - absolutly no xml knowledge in sight.
11:18 < huebi> th: Weiss ich nicht mehr. Ich vermute 12
11:19 < th> huebi: dann ist es noch nicht da... eben kam ein german parcel aber der brachte mir was anderes
11:19 < th> huebi: haste ne tracking nummer? oder... wie isses denn raus?
11:19 < th> huebi: post?
11:19 < aszlig> th: erm, gehts um snailmail?
11:19 < huebi> Deutsch Bummel Post. Waren schon bei SMP 
11:20 < th> aszlig: jo
11:20 < aszlig> th: never mind
11:20 < aszlig> th: hehe
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11:23 < esden> me writing
11:23 < aszlig> esden: k
11:29 < fake> hm...
11:38 < blindcoder> morning everyone
11:38 < praenti> moin blindcoder 
11:38 < fake> hi blindcoder 
11:38 < huebi> hi blindcoder 
11:48 * blindcoder is now going to crash a computer with the build-cd ;)
11:49 < th> huebi: die post war heute aber auch noch nicht hier ;)
11:49 < huebi> th: ok
11:50 < huebi> Does sombody know where I get informations about the AlphaStation 433a. I did not find something on search.compaq.com
11:56 < tsa> hm..
12:02 < tsa> google gives lots of links where to buy memory for this machine....but nothing useful..
12:03 < huebi> I want to know what sort of memory is needed. 
12:03 < fake> huebi: ask esden, he should know...
12:06 < huebi> Esden: *PING*
12:21 < tsa> hm...esden seems to be firewalled...dropping icmp
12:21 < tsa> try GET /esden HTTP/1.0
12:21 < huebi> ( I must invoce ECP - Esden Control Protocol )
12:21 < tsa> hehe
12:22 < huebi> I think Mathilda knows how to treatr him ;-))
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12:24 < bluefire> Moin
12:24 < huebi> moin bluefire ;-)
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12:26 < tsa> hi bluefire
12:26 < tsa> hi term_emu
12:27 < term_emu> hiho
12:32 * fake eating
12:42 * term_emu cum cane ambulat
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13:05 < tsa> bbl.
13:05 < huebi> cu tsa 
13:05 < tsa> mal eben den arbeitsplatz wechseln..
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13:21 < fake> re holyolli 
13:21 < holyolli> re
13:21 < huebi> hi holyolli 
13:22 < fake> sed arbeitet nur zeilenweise, right?
13:24 < huebi> http://sourceforge.net/projects/translucency/ <- nice!
13:24 < huebi> fake: jo.
13:24 < fake> danke
13:24 < huebi> im vi auch:
13:25 < huebi> :%s/blah/blubb/g <- g macht das dann fuer alle blah, und nicht nur fuer das erste jeder Zeile
13:25 < fake> huebi: vim
13:25 < fake> nicht vi ;)
13:25 < aszlig> huebi: war das 'ne frage?
13:26 < fake> aszlig: nein
13:26 < aszlig> fake: aha?
13:26 < huebi> aszlig: Nee. Eine Lernerfahrung ;-)
13:26 < fake> also wenn ich ne gesamte datei durchregexpen will.. nehem ich.. ?
13:27 < aszlig> s/bl/ah/g
13:27 < fake> noninteraktiv, also i vim ne schlechte idee
13:27 < fake> is
13:27 < fake> awk?
13:28 < aszlig> mit awk unter vi?
13:28 < aszlig> haeh?
13:28 < aszlig> 'xu
13:28 < fake> aszlig: "noninteraktiv, also is vim ne schlechte idee"
13:29 < aszlig> perl?
13:29 < fake> igitt
13:29 < aszlig> wieso?
13:29 < fake> wieso was?
13:29 < fake> kannst du meine frage beantworten oder nicht?
13:29 < aszlig> wieso ighitt?
13:30 < aszlig> hmm, noe
13:30 < fake> muss ich begruenden wieso perl igitt is??
13:30 < huebi> fake: sed s/blah/blub/g <foo >test
13:30 < fake> <foo > ?
13:30 < fake> axo
13:30 < huebi> fake: macht alle blah in foo zu blub in text
13:30 < fake> hm... huebi: XML: <opentag>\n foo\n </closetag> is ueber mehrere zeilen...
13:30 < huebi> fake: sed s/blah/blub/ <foo >test <- ohne g nur immer das erste einer Zeile
13:31 < fake> soll ich erst alle newlines strippen? *g*
13:31 < huebi> fake <- liebt einzeiler.
13:32 < fake> huebi: der kern meiner frage ist: wie kann ich ueber x zeilen hinweg arbeiten?
13:32 < fake> also nicht ... innerhalb einer ziele regexpen
13:32 < fake> oder s
13:32 < fake> o
13:32 < huebi> fake: mit dem g hinten drann wird blah immer, egal wo, zu blub
13:33 < huebi> sed s/blah/blub/g <foo >test <- damit meine ich
13:33 < fake> huebi: let me see....
13:33 < fake> (dachte ich haette das getestet )
13:34 < fake> huebi: also... folgende Situation. xml-datei:
13:34 < fake> <DataContent>
13:34 < fake> blabhallbalba
13:34 < fake> </DataContent>
13:34 < fake> dann mache ich:
13:34 < fake>  sed "s/<DataContent>.*<\/DataContent>//gi" ./test.xml
13:34 < fake> und heraus kommt die gleiche Datei wie vorher - weil <DataContent> und </DataContent> nicht in einer zeile sind.
13:35 < huebi> axo *gggg*
13:35 < huebi> mom
13:36 < huebi> sed sZ<DataContent>.*<\/DataContent>ZZgi ./test.xml
13:36 < huebi> so gehts
13:36 < fake> Z ?
13:37 < huebi>  / darf, wenn als separator benutzt, nicht im Ausdruck selber vorkommen.
13:37 < fake> aha?
13:37 < huebi> Z kommt nicht im Ausdruck vor. Deshalb Z
13:37 < fake> huebi: aber ich escape doch \
13:37 < huebi> fake: aber nur fuer die bash, nicht fuer sed
13:38 < fake> wenn ich mache sed "s/<\/DataContent>//gi" test.xml dann geht es
13:38 < fake> deswegen ja die ""
13:38 < aszlig> '
13:38 < huebi> <- hat bestimmt 1h gebraucht, um das rauszufinden *g*
13:39 < fake> es geht nicht... -__
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13:39 < tsa> re.
13:39 < fake> huebi: die expression an sich _ist_korrekt.
13:39 < huebi> re tsa 
13:39 < fake> wenn ich die Newlines nach DataContent> loesche geht es auch
13:40 < fake> ach. moment.
13:40 < huebi> fake: Gebs der Sekretaerin und lass die das machen...*g*  Sonst weiss ich auch nicht weiter...
13:40 < fake> huebi: oke... danke
13:40 < huebi> s/eb/ib/
13:40 < huebi> fake: hast du jetzt eine Loesung gefunden?
13:41 < fake> huebi: noe, aber jetzt suche ich woanders weiter...
13:41 < huebi> ok
13:42 < fake> oh man... kein wunder dass gcc3 niht baut...
13:42 < huebi> fake: erzaehl dann mal deine Loesung. das finde ich sehr interessant
13:45 < fake> huebi: ich werde einfach die newlines nach <DataContent>\n strippen
13:45 < fake> basta
13:45 < huebi> ah. ok.
13:48 < fake> shit.
13:49 < fake> geht auch nich :(
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13:50 < huebi> re
13:50 < huebi>  /quit anstatt /window close is much more efficient ;>
13:58 < fake> see GAWK: Effective AWK
13:58 < fake>                                Programming for a fuller discussion of the rules for &'s and  backslashes  in  the  replacement  text  of  sub(),
13:58 < fake>                                gsub(), and gensub().)
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14:21 < blindcoder> rehi
14:21 < Freak> iher
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14:25 < blindcoder> has anyone tried to create a Build-CD for 1.5.x? or to create a Build-CD at all?
14:25 < fake> blindcoder: me not ;)
14:26 < blindcoder> fake: I mean aside from my personal efforts...
14:26 < fake> i don't know - as i am not into 1.5 at all
14:26 < huebi> blindcoder: I modified the scripts for the installation CD but without any significiant changes. 
14:27 < huebi> blindcoder: I want to build one for the sparc64 port
14:28 < blindcoder> hmm... i see... well, I have built something together with esden which you might be interested in...
14:29 < huebi> blindcoder: Yes, of course I am ;-)
14:30 < blindcoder> the complete Stage 1 with some add-ons like cdrtools and modutils that you can boot and take a source-cd and compile the complete ROCK without having to have a running ROCK installation
14:30 < blindcoder> I'm currently testing it on a crash-and-burn-box ;)
14:30 < fake> ich habs
14:31 < huebi> blindcoder: kool. can I download it somewhere? 
14:32 < huebi> bbl (Sch**** Backupserver. Ein Band ist wech... )
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14:39 < blindcoder> huebi: http://www.crash-override.net/rocklinux/becd.tbz2
14:40 < blindcoder> the script and 2 documentation-files
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14:40 < huebi> blindcoder: Thank you !
14:43 < blindcoder> np
14:44 < fake> huebi: wanna see the solution?
14:44 < huebi> fake: Yes please ;-)
14:44 < fake> sed \
14:44 < fake>         "`grep -h -n "<DataContent>" $1 | awk '{ print $1+1 }' | sed s,:,,`,` \
14:44 < fake>           grep -h -n "<\/DataContent>" $1 | awk '{ print $1-1 }' | sed s,:,,`s/<.*>\(.*\)<\/.*>/\1/gi" $1
14:44 < fake> *wahaha*
14:45 < huebi> Thank you. (something new to understand) ;-))
14:46 < fake> but the +1 us unnexessary
14:46 < fake> as is the -1
14:49 * huebi needs reading man pages ;>
14:50 < huebi> brb
14:55 < rolla_> re
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14:56 < rxr> re
14:57 < huebi> hi rxr ;-)
14:58 < huebi> hi rolla 
14:58 < huebi> ;-)
14:58 < rolla> hallo
14:58 * huebi getting something to eat...
14:58 < blindcoder> huebi: the Build-Build script still needs improvement... terminfo and vim still missing... >_<
15:00 < rxr> re huebi 
15:02 < fake> huebi: ein problem hat das noch. es funktioniert nur bei einem match / datei
15:02 < fake> das mah ich jetzt ^^
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15:12 < armijn> re
15:17 < rolla> which is the best version of gcc3 to use to compile 1.7 ?
15:18 < armijn> depends on the platform
15:18 < armijn> x86?
15:19 < rolla> yes
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15:20 < armijn> well, grab the latest
15:21 < rolla> 3.0.4 or 3.1 ?
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15:21 < armijn> 3.1 is the latest
15:21 < rolla> okay 
15:21 < rolla> thanks
15:31 < huebi> hi armijn 
15:31 < esden> ok the gentoo testing mail is out 
15:31 < armijn> gentoo?
15:32 < esden> yes armijn I have tested gentoo yesterday
15:32 < esden> and wrote a mail about my experiances
15:32 < huebi> esden: One more time without signature, please.
15:33 < esden> huebi: >_<
15:33 * -> esden sending this mail to huebi@rocklinux.org without signature
15:33 < huebi> What means this:  >_<
15:33 < esden> huebi: boeser blick
15:34 < blindcoder> hi esden 
15:34 < esden> hi blindcoder 
15:34 < fake> hi esden
15:34 < esden> blindcoder: get your mail
15:34 < huebi> esden: Ab Freitag abend muss ich kein Outlook mehr nehmen.
15:34 < esden> fake hi
15:34 < esden> you too
15:34 < esden> @ fake
15:34 < fake> jajaja
15:34 < blindcoder> esden: easy... I'm testing the Build-CD @ Technik-01
15:34 < esden> huebi: endlich ... danke
15:34 < esden> blindcoder: cool
15:35 * fake still expanding the xmlifier
15:35 < blindcoder> esden: packages missing: terminfo vim(!) and modules
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15:36 < tsa> re rxr
15:37 < esden> huebi: sent
15:37 < huebi> esden: dankoe
15:37 < esden> blindcoder: VIM!!!
15:37 < esden> ;-)
15:37 < esden> huebi: bidde
15:38 < esden> fake: xmlifier ???
15:40 < blindcoder> esden: du machst das mit absicht, nicht wahr?
15:40 < fake> esden: mad awksedbash-script ;)
15:40 * fake is replacing a stupid php script with shell scripts ;)
15:40 < esden> blindcoder: was mache ich mit absicht ?
15:40 < esden> fake: cool!!!
15:41 * -> esden loves mad things ;-)
15:41 < blindcoder> esden: die englische sprache genauso missbrauchen wie ich ;)
15:41 < esden> blindcoder: sure!!!!
15:41 < esden> I LOVE IT
15:41 < esden> ;-)
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15:44 < blindcoder> *argh*
15:44 < blindcoder> gotta go... c ya l8ter
15:44 < esden> blindcoder: ???
15:44 < tsa> cu blindcoder
15:44 < esden> cu blindcoder 
15:50 < snyke> esden?
15:50 < snyke> r u here
15:50 < snyke> ?
15:53 < esden> snyke: yes
15:54 * -> esden drinking jolt PROST
15:54 * huebi too. Prost
15:56 < rxr_> hi esden 
15:56 -!- rxr_ is now known as rxr
15:56 < esden> huebi: I do not want to stress ... but have you got my mail ?
15:56 < esden> hi rxr 
15:58 < huebi> esden: jo, I got it ;-)
15:58 < huebi> hi rxr 
15:58 < tsa> rxr: hm...du bastelst doch an gnome2 rum..
15:58 < rxr> tsa: tchja errr hm ...
15:58 < esden> huebi: good ... so read it ;-)
15:59 < tsa> rxr: fein.
15:59 < snyke> jolt?
15:59 < snyke> argh
15:59 < rxr> tsa: hast du gerade ein akutes prob ?
15:59 < huebi> esden: I just did so
15:59 < snyke> esden: kannst du mir was vorbeibringen?
15:59 < tsa> rxr: kann ich gtk 1.x und 2.x parallel installieren oder gibt das stress?
15:59 < rxr> tsa: jo das tut - auch im selben prefix
15:59 < esden> sorry for abusing the english language in this mail ...
15:59 < tsa> rxr: ok, danke...
15:59 < esden> snyke: was denn ?
15:59 < tsa> dann kann ich heute abend ja mal gtk2 compilen und xchat 1.9.1 testen..
16:00 < rxr> hehe ;-)
16:00 * tsa will anti-aliasing.
16:00 < tsa> das mit gdkxft und ld_preload suckt.
16:00 < rxr> tsa: irrsi in an anti-aliased kconsole ;-) *g*
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16:01 < snyke> esden: jolt!
16:01 < snyke> ich bezahlt dich auch
16:01 < esden> snyke: nope
16:01 < snyke> fürs jolt + fahren
16:01 < rxr> (or xterm - bu xterm has provlems with the various line characters ...)
16:01 < snyke> :)
16:01 < esden> snyke: sorry dass geht nicht
16:01 < esden> dass ist karlsruhe jolt
16:01 < esden> die wird nicht verkauft
16:02 < snyke> ich meine ingolstädter
16:02 < tsa> rxr: neee, ich verzichte..
16:02 < snyke> das genügt
16:02 < esden> asoo ... dass laesst sicht arangieren
16:02 < rxr> tsa: <- xchat fan ?
16:02 < tsa> rxr: jupp..
16:03 < rxr> ah. ok. I love text mode progs - they can be used over an ssh line - and can be run remotely in screen ;-)
16:07 < fake> how can i do hashes in bash?
16:14 < tsa> dunno.
16:15 < fake> Bash Reference Manual - This text is a brief description of the features that are present in the Bash shell. 
16:15 < fake> yes. sure. in 648 kb.
16:16 < esden> *lough*
16:21 < blindcoder> fake: You don't want to see the COMPLETE feature-description then ;)
16:21 < blindcoder> btw. which package has `makeinfo` ?
16:23 < esden> what is the difference between RSA and DSA ? does somebody know a good description ?
16:23 < blindcoder> esden: the becd still doesn't work... e2fsprogs needs `makeinfo`-command in stage 1 >_<
16:24 < huebi> blindcoder: texinfo
16:24 < snyke> loool
16:24 < snyke> 213.70.214.67
16:24 < snyke>  :)))
16:24 < snyke> HUSCH HUSCH WEG HIER
16:24 < snyke> lol
16:24 < blindcoder> huebi: thanks
16:24 < huebi> IMF00YC7:/opt/BackEx# grep -rl makeinfo /var/adm/flists/*
16:24 < huebi> /var/adm/flists/emacs
16:24 < huebi> /var/adm/flists/sendmail
16:24 < huebi> /var/adm/flists/texinfo
16:26 < esden> snyke: finger weg von apollo's webseite !!! ;-)
16:27 < snyke> hehe
16:27 < snyke> der vobis hat nen port80 scan gemacht, drum
16:27 < snyke> auf den i-team-ingolstadt-bingo.ev ip-raum
16:27 < fake> I was forced to use nano ... *ROFL*
16:28 < esden> fake: ;-)
16:28 < fake> esden: i know exactly how you must have felt. i had to use it once, too. it is uber_ugly
16:29 < esden> fake: thanks for your understanding
16:31 < blindcoder> esden: come on... we laughed a lot last night, didn't we ;)
16:33 < esden> blindcoder: sure we have ... it was a very funny evening
16:33 < esden> blindcoder: but I told you that I will mix gentoo with mud did'nt I ??? ;-)
16:33 < blindcoder> esden: oh and btw.: I can only offer nvi, not vim, since vim is ext and nvi is base
16:33 < blindcoder> esden: no offense meant ;)
16:36 < esden> blindcoder: nvi is ok
16:36 < esden> it is much better then NANO @#%$%@4~$@#
16:36 < blindcoder> hehe, that's for sure
16:36 < esden> we really need vi in base ... 
16:37 < snyke> wow ql! telnet://blinkenlights.nl/ <--- cinema movie via telnet *LOL*
16:37 < esden> or better I would be very happy if we had vim in base
16:37 < blindcoder> esden: we will have to seduce huebi if we want that...
16:37 < esden> snyke: dass kennma schon ...
16:38 < snyke> ich aba no ned :/
16:38 < blindcoder> esden: do you have some spare time?
16:38 < esden> huebi: *whistle*
16:38 < esden> blindcoder: why ?
16:39 < blindcoder> esden: I'm off to matthias in a few minutes to do some work that's left to be done and then back to bitz...
16:39 < esden> huebi: wake uuuup ...
16:40 < esden> blindcoder: i can not ... I have to wait ... because my mother wants that I help her get a bike for my brother
16:40 < blindcoder> kill -HUP huebi
16:40 < esden> and I have to call meli ...
16:40 < blindcoder> living at home with parents really sucks >_<
16:40 < esden> blindcoder: right
16:41 < blindcoder> well... more or less :D
16:41 * huebi on the pfone
16:41 < blindcoder> they can be... quite helpful
16:41 < esden> blindcoder: that is true too
16:41 < blindcoder> hmm huebi was just restarted and is already on the telephone... *hmm*
16:41 < blindcoder> esden: I got my final results today: final mark: 2!
16:41 < fake> Woooo!
16:42 < esden> 2 ... straeber !!!
16:42 < esden> ;-)
16:42 < blindcoder> and with that I'm the best in my group!
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16:42 < fake> *applauds*
16:42 < esden> hi huebi 
16:42 < esden> urgh
16:42 < holyolli> re
16:42 < esden> i mean holyolli 
16:42 < holyolli> *g* hi esden :)
16:42 < blindcoder> fake: thanks *bow*
16:42 < esden> holyolli: curl is not working on my alpha >_<
16:43 < esden> it is dropping cores !!! >_<
16:43 < holyolli> oh. in what way?
16:43 < holyolli> args
16:43 < holyolli> the same as joe on my alpha does :-(
16:43 < blindcoder> esden: throwing... not dropping...
16:43 < esden> it drops it during the name resolution
16:43 < esden> blindcoder: yes right sory ... and thanks
16:43 < tsa> hi holyolli
16:43 < holyolli> hi tsa
16:44 < fake> throw seg, drop core?
16:44 < fake> dump core
16:44 < fake> that's it
16:44 < esden> dumping core
16:44 < holyolli> hehe
16:44 < esden> hmm ...
16:44 < fake> you throw a signal, but you dump a core.
16:44 < esden> that is prebably the right one
16:44 < esden> smash core
16:44 < esden> ;-)
16:44 < fake> eat core
16:45 < holyolli> buah!
16:45 < blindcoder> Ulch! That food was tainted...
16:45 < blindcoder> You feel deathly sick...
16:45 < esden> I have to go help my mother get a bike for my brother
16:45 < esden> >_<
16:45 < blindcoder> esden: have fun ;)
16:45 < esden> cu l8er
16:45 < holyolli> cu esden
16:46 < fake> cya!
16:46 < fake> blindcoder: did you get NWN et?
16:46 < blindcoder> fake: nope
16:46 < blindcoder> no time >_<
16:46 < fake> blindcoder: then take your time.... it's _really_ worth it!
16:46 < blindcoder> you can dump it on my FTP ;)
16:47 < blindcoder> is the linux-version ready to use?
16:47 < fake> blindcoder: mldonkey is _much_ faster. i got the 3 cds in half a day.
16:47 < blindcoder> send me the ed2k:// s
16:47 < fake> blindcoder: sheareactor
16:47 < fake> sharereactor.com
16:47 < blindcoder> yukai
16:48 < fake> blindcoder: the linux version is not _yet_ released....
16:48 < fake> but you'll need the win-cds anyways.
16:48 < blindcoder> yeah sure... but I have some trouble with my win-installation... and no win-cds lying around...
16:50 < fake> blindcoder: i'm sure you will be equiped with _plenty_ if you ask zero ;)
16:50 < blindcoder> *WAAAAH*
16:50 < blindcoder> ILL DO IT AT HOME!!
16:50 < blindcoder> I'm not used to pop-ups anymore...
16:50 < blindcoder> and no mozilla around...
16:51 < fake> blindcoder: ssh apollo -x w3m http://www.sharereactor.com
16:51 < huebi> 16:33 < blindcoder> esden: oh and btw.: I can only offer nvi, not vim, since vim is ext and nvi is base
16:51 < fake> ;-)
16:51 < blindcoder> huebi: yes?
16:51 < huebi> vim will be in opt
16:52 < blindcoder> oh... cool ;) then I'll see what 1.5.17 will bring ;)
16:52 < blindcoder> fake: I'm on a Win-Box right now...
16:52 < fake> blindcoder: so? putty!
16:52 < blindcoder> fake: hai, hai... lazyness, okaY?
16:53 * tsa reading esden's mail
16:53 < blindcoder> okay, I'm now off to matthias... getting a keyboard like esden has *hehe*
16:55 < fake> blindcoder: baka.
16:55 < huebi> cu blindcoder 
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17:03 < rolla> hmm my 1.7 x86 build cannot find the gcc3 I just installed :(
17:12 < rolla> hmm odd it found it once I linked it into /usr/bin instead of /usr/local/bin 
17:13 < rolla> dang that didn't work :(
17:20 < [anders]> hohum.. time to get OpenSSH 3.3
17:20 < huebi> [anders]: jo!
17:21 < [anders]> wonder if my old sshd_config will work with it..
17:21 < SMP> [anders]: how old is it?
17:22 < [anders]> SMP: a few days..
17:22 < [anders]> Oh, you ment my config, uhm.. it worked with 3.1 and 3.2.2
17:22 < SMP> changes from 3.2 to 3.3 are rather few
17:22 < SMP> it'll do
17:23 < [anders]> yeah.. now I just have to find the archive.. :)
17:23 < huebi> [anders]: http://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/openssh/
17:24 < [anders]> I ment the openssh.tar.gz.. :)
17:24 < fake> hehe. awk rulez.
17:24 < huebi> ftp://ftp.openbsd.com/pub/OpenBSD/OpenSSH/portable/ 
17:24 < [anders]> huebi: cheers.. :)
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17:28 < [anders]> humma.. hacking the openssh.pz file, running Puzzle and then Build-Pkg is so easy.. :)
17:30 < huebi> [anders]: ;-))))))
17:31 < huebi> one reason I use ROCK Linux...
17:31 < [anders]> ok, the new openssh required a user sshd created and a directory /var/empty created, that's it..
17:31 < [anders]> installed.
17:32 < huebi>  rocklinux.dyndns.org also needs many updates and some hardware changes.
17:33 * [anders] have started to order the bits for the Shuttle SS40G
17:33 < huebi> kool
17:33 < [anders]> Da.. Will enjoy a fast machine lots.. :)
17:33 < [anders]> Will probably put Debian on there to start with.. Need a system to build Rock with..
17:34 < [anders]> and Debian supports devfs as well as allows install over the net..
17:34 < huebi> [anders]: why not just get an ISO?
17:34 < [anders]> My ROCK 1.4.0 cd's are a little old..
17:34 < [anders]> No cd/rw
17:34 < huebi> of ROCK 1.5.16
17:34 < huebi> hmm
17:35 < [anders]> If I install debian, I can keep that up2date easily and I can have a compiler station in a few hours..
17:36 < huebi> cu later. I go home
17:37 < rolla> are there problems with gcc3.1 and perl on rock 1.7 ??
17:40 < tsa> perl problem should be resolved in current snapshots, IIRC ..
17:41 < esden> re hi all
17:41 < rolla> when did it come out ?
17:42 < simon-> fake
17:42 < rxr> rolla: yes the prob is fixed
17:42 < simon-> are you there?
17:42 < rxr> it was caused by the new /usr/local/include handling of gcc
17:43 < rxr> it emmits a warning - and this warning makes many configure script check (like the ones in perl) fail
17:43 < rxr> we now use our gcc wrapper to remove the -I/usr/local/include from the gcc options.
17:43 < fake> simon- yes?
17:43 < rolla> :) thanks 
17:44 * [anders] off home now..
17:44 < [anders]> cya guys....
17:44 < simon-> fake it didn't work :-(
17:44 < rxr> cd [anders] 
17:44 < rxr> er cu ;-)
17:44 < simon-> you know.. the dup2 thing
17:44 < fake> simon- still the same error?
17:45 < fake> were there errors on your fs?
17:45 < [anders]> rxr: *grin* 
17:45 < simon-> fake still the same.. the filesystem is ok.. both disk are in the raid..
17:45 < [anders]> ~~~
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17:45 < simon-> fake none
17:45 < fake> simon- if you boot from the bootdisks and chroot into your system and mount proc by hand - does it work?
17:46 < simon-> fake yes it does..
17:46 < fake> what distribution are you using? rock?
17:46 < simon-> fake i better should
17:46 < simon-> redhat
17:46 < fake> *ugh*
17:47 < fake> well, what happened, then?
17:47 < rolla> fake it is not that bad ;)
17:47 < fake> did you update/change anything?
17:49 < simon-> fake sorry.. mein chef ;-)
17:49 < simon-> fake we had a powerloss, yesterday
17:49 < fake> let's switch to german ;)
17:49 < fake> hm...
17:49 < simon-> fake ok :-)
17:49 < simon-> also szenraio:
17:49 < fake> powerloss heisst ueblicherweise fs-problem...
17:49 < simon-> stromausfall gestern..
17:49 < simon-> ext3
17:50 < simon-> root raid1 software 
17:50 < simon-> mit rh 7.2
17:50 < simon-> hdds beide ok
17:50 < simon-> alle filesysteme ok
17:50 < simon-> kann auf jedes filesystem zugreifen
17:51 < simon-> raidstart mit rescue cd ok
17:51 < fake> do you use the same kernel on the rescue cd and in your system?
17:51 < simon-> fake.. den fehler gabs mal in der kernel mailingliste.. hat aber nie jemand geantwortet (ein jahr her)
17:51 < fake> shit. wollte ja deutsch ;)
17:51 < simon-> 2.4.7 rescue cd
17:52 < simon-> 2.4.19-pre8 normales system
17:52 < simon-> fake sollte es daran liegen?
17:52 < simon-> das system is eigentlich so konzipiert das es selbst mit einer hdd bootet und läuft.
17:53 < simon-> dank grub.
17:53 < fake> hm... wie is nochmal die genaue fehlermeldung?
17:53 < simon-> dup2: bad file descriptor
17:53 < fake> simon- : man dup2
17:54 < simon-> mounting /proc filesystem is rh eigen
17:54 < fake> irgendwo in den startupscripten wird dup2 ausgefuerht, auf etwas, das es nicht gibt
17:54 < fake> fahre das rescue-system hoch, mounte die platte und mach am besten irgendwo in dem redhat-startupskrietn-gewirr-verzeichnis ein
17:54 < fake> grep -r dup2 * | grep proc
17:54 < fake> oder so
17:55 < fake> wenn der nix findet dann das hintere grep weglassen
17:55 < simon-> hmm, ok.. das mach ich hier mal
17:55 < simon-> bin gleich wieder da.. :-)
17:55 < fake> viel glueck!
17:57 < simon-> nirgendwo .. 
17:59 < fake> oh-ja-das keonnte dran liegen dass dup2 eine C-Funktion is, wie mir gerade auffaellt.
17:59 < fake> hast du gdb installiert?
17:59 < fake> schmarrn
17:59 < fake> bringt ja auch nix
17:59 < simon-> im "haupt_init_script" habe ich aber die zeile gefunden die dafür verantwortlich ist: mount -n -t proc /proc /proc
17:59 < fake> -n ?
17:59 < fake> das muss heissen
17:59 < fake> mount -t proc none /proc
18:00 < simon-> -n heißt das er nicht in /etc/mtab schreit
18:00 < simon-> s/schreit/schreibt
18:00 < simon-> kann mir nicht vorstellen das es daran liegt.
18:01 < fake> hm... aber daran dass da 2 mal /proc steht
18:01 < fake> cut&paste die zeile mal (*g*) in die rescue-shell
18:01 < fake> nach dem chroot
18:01 < fake> und schau ob es da den gleichen fehler gibt
18:01 < simon-> das ist bei rh so..
18:01 < simon-> nope
18:02 < simon-> gibts nicht
18:02 < fake> gdb mount -t proc none /proc
18:02 < fake> backtrace
18:02 < simon-> das ist nicht nur bei proc so.. das ist bei allem
18:02 < fake> dann is wohl dein mount im arsch? o_O
18:03 < simon-> der wirft mich ja auf eine shell wenn ich das system so starte, dort kann ich mount ohne probleme nutzen.
18:04 < simon-> ich schau mal.. hab eine platte ausgebaut. ich meld mich nochmal. aber danke für die hilfe!!
18:04 < simon-> bis nachher..
18:04 < fake> sorry dass ich dir nich weiterhelfen kann...
18:04 < fake> viel glueck noch
18:04 < simon-> fake ich werds brauchen! danke trotzdem!
18:14 < esden> ...
18:14 * fake l4m3r
18:15 < esden> yepp ;-)
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18:21 < rolla> :(
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18:57 < esden> linux kernel rc1 is out !!!!!
18:57 < tsa> ..und wech
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19:11 < fake> YES
19:11 < fake> finally i killed that damn XML
19:11 < fake> BITCH
19:11 < fake> *jumps around*
19:11 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has joined #rocklinux
19:11 < armijn> re
19:12 < fake> re!
19:12 < armijn> !
19:12 < fake>   ?
19:12 < fake>   |
19:12 < fake>   +---->
19:12 < armijn> moo!
19:12 < fake> meow?
19:12 < armijn> beeeh
19:12 < fake> bzzz
19:13 < armijn> so, will Korea beat Germany as well?
19:13 < fake> i hope so
19:13 < armijn> same here
19:13 < fake> Korea rulez
19:13 < armijn> but that's just because it's Germany ;-)
19:13 < fake> ;P
19:13 < armijn> hey, of course, they've got a Dutch coach :)
19:13 < fake> *LOL*
19:13 < fake> and an italian goalkeeper, IIRC
19:13 < armijn> well, not that I know of...
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19:14 < fake> i may very well be wrong. i am proud to be a soccer lamer
19:14 < armijn> heheh
19:14 < armijn> lamer
19:14 < armijn> well, football can be fun (please, don't say soccer, that's for americans)
19:14 < armijn> especially placing bets :)
19:15 < fake> soccer soccer! :P
19:15 < armijn> lamer lamer!
19:17 < fake> bow before me, for i am lame!
19:17 < fake> ;-)
19:17 -!- cchamilt [~cchamilt@cm176.omega33.scvmaxonline.com.sg] has joined #rocklinux
19:18 < armijn> hi cchamilt
19:18 < cchamilt> Hello everybody
19:18 < cchamilt> Have the Gentoo people been by to beat up on esden?
19:18 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-174-201.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux
19:18 < cchamilt> I figured it would happen by now.
19:19 < armijn> hehehe
19:19 < armijn> no, but that's because we've got fake
19:19 < armijn> and fake is lame!
19:19 < armijn> <fake> bow before me, for i am lame!
19:19 < fake> hi cchamilt!
19:20 < cchamilt> Hello
19:20 < armijn> cchamilt: say hi to yocelyn :)
19:21 < cchamilt> armijn: done.
19:21 < fake> cchamilt: ask her what's so funny about VW buses.
19:21 < armijn> the old ones? from the 70s?
19:21 < armijn> they're soooo cool
19:21 < esden> re hi all 
19:21 < armijn> you can fit lots of stuff in them
19:21 < esden> muhuhuhu
19:21 < armijn> lots of beer :)
19:22 < cchamilt> fake: she does not recall the discussion.
19:22 < armijn> she drank all the beer from on of the buses
19:22 < armijn> so she forgot
19:22 < fake> cchamilt: :_: so that's what discussions with me/esden are worth for her .... *cries*
19:22 < fake> well. as i am lame, i deserve no better.
19:22 < armijn> fake: well, I bet you don't recall our conversations from HAL/CCC
19:23 < fake> armijn: you were on HAL? ;)
19:23 < armijn> fake: grrr!
19:23 < fake> *roaaaar*
19:23 * armijn takes out his LART
19:23 < cchamilt> fake: she says she doesn't want to talk about it
19:23 < fake> catfight!
19:23 < armijn> *HIIIISSSSSSSS*
19:24 < esden> hi cchamilt 
19:24 < cchamilt> fake: I am not sure what you guys discussed. Hmmm
19:24 < fake> cchamilt: okay. i'll bug her on CCC.
19:24 < esden> so by the way ;-)
19:24 < armijn> maybe somethign about making love in VW buses?
19:24 < cchamilt> Who wants to come to Singapore?
19:24 < armijn> cchamilt: depends
19:24 * -> esden ... but when and for what money
19:25 < armijn> esden: chris sent an e-mail out about the "when"!
19:25 * -> esden = no money man
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19:25 < fake> cchamilt: bringing weed along wouldn't be a good idea, right?
19:25 < cchamilt> So far swanky hotels and possibly free airfare.  Budgets...
19:25 < esden> armijn: I know
19:25 < freed> hi @ll
19:25 * -> esden checking
19:25 < armijn> hmm...what's "swanky"
19:25 < armijn> as in "crappy"?
19:25 < cchamilt> No week please.
19:25 < cchamilt> weed that is.
19:25 < freed> rxr?
19:25 < armijn> fake: you should come to .nl for that...
19:25 < fake> cchamilt: that strikes out the most productive developers ;))
19:26 < armijn> fake: at least it's "allowed" here...
19:26 < cchamilt> As in $300 a night.
19:26 < fake> oh. as in "*****".
19:26 < armijn> cchamilt: as in, bloody expensive...
19:26 < armijn> wow.
19:26 < cchamilt> fake: They claim so...
19:26 < armijn> hehe, I thought fake was censoring himself :))
19:26 < cchamilt> We may allow you to use the budget on airfare instead.
19:26 < freed> rxr: hi martin hier. was machten kdevelop?
19:27 < armijn> hey du! ja, jawohl!
19:27 < armijn> setenv LANG=de_DE
19:27 < fake> cchamilt: it involved something about giving a talk, right?
19:27 < cchamilt> We just allocate speaker per attendee estimates. So....
19:27 < cchamilt> fake: Yep, A real paper.
19:27 < armijn> cchamilt: you might want to limit the budget for foreign speakers
19:27 < rxr> hi freed 
19:27 < armijn> cchamilt: that's what we do at the NLUUG
19:28 < fake> cchamilt: i'm ugly. i won't bug the listeners.
19:28 < cchamilt> armijn:We only get foreign developers
19:28 < armijn> fake: so are the audience ;-)
19:28 < rxr> freed: are you martin or freed ???
19:28 < freed> lol beides
19:28 < armijn> hmm...sounds like someone is having an identity crisis there...
19:28 < freed> sind im ini, nexus is online ;)
19:28 < esden> ok the time is ok
19:28 < esden> @ cchamilt 
19:28 < armijn> cchamilt: webpage?
19:29 < cchamilt> We'll have BOFs too, but only free attendance for speaking there.
19:29 < rxr> freed: what's up ?
19:29 < esden> cchamilt: money is a problem
19:29 < freed> na der mirror is wieder online
19:29 < cchamilt> armijn:no page yet.  Hell I can't confirm the date.
19:29 < cchamilt> I was supposed to announce the call yesterday...
19:29 < armijn> cchamilt: I've got your e-mail in front of me...
19:30 * armijn quotes
19:30 < armijn> "It is tentatively scheduled for the 25th through the 27th."
19:30 < cchamilt> Well we can try and get airfare or maybe an airline sponsor.
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19:30 < armijn> already scheduling a trip to france a bit earlier...
19:30 < cchamilt> It is just not likely that we can do it for everyone.
19:30 < armijn> but yeah, I'm interested...
19:30 < armijn> cchamilt: have you seen our call for papers?
19:30 < armijn> http://www.nluug.nl/events/nj02/index.html
19:30 < armijn> http://www.nluug.nl/events/nj02/cfp-uk.html
19:31 < armijn> (the latter)
19:31 < armijn> hmmm...back in a few
19:31 < cchamilt> armijn:Just now...
19:33 < cchamilt> Well anyways, I just want ideas for papers right now.
19:33 < cchamilt> We want to interest the SME market, but anything is OK.
19:34 < fake> SME?
19:34 < cchamilt> Small/Medium Enterprises
19:34 < fake> aw. Clusters.
19:34 < cchamilt> Yeah, no...
19:34 < fake> we-cluster-everything paper.
19:35 < cchamilt> Its the market that all the big Unix companies added Linux extensions for.
19:35 < fake> ah?
19:35 < fake> like?
19:35 < cchamilt> So they can upgrade you to a better platform with Unix stability, Linux like compatibility.
19:35 < fake> IBM, Sun?
19:36 < cchamilt> AS/400s running as Lotus notes servers. That sort of wasteful crap.
19:36 < fake> oh. wow. what sort of papers would you expect?
19:36 < cchamilt> Yep.
19:36 < armijn> will there be developers?
19:36 < fake> (I guess PS2-Clusters won't work ;)
19:36 < cchamilt> No clue really. We ere hoping for anecdotal roll-out stories.
19:37 < cchamilt> I have no idea how we can do developers yet.
19:37 < fake> live hacking. dresscode.
19:37 < cchamilt> We are going with a 'business' track and a 'technical' track.
19:37 < armijn> I could talk about stuff like "software portability"
19:37 < armijn> so, that's software engineering
19:38 < fake> i could talk about how to replace linux with windows.
19:38 < armijn> think CVS, think GNU AutoTools, etc.
19:38 < fake> ;)
19:38 < cchamilt> We will have tutorials, but it would be in using a tool or program.
19:38 < fake> aaw. armijn, i've got a ques
19:38 < armijn> cchamilt: a tutorial about software portability? :)
19:38 < armijn> fake: shoot
19:38 < fake> armijn: do you know the "autoconf"-uglyness of gcc3 ?
19:39 < cchamilt> dresscode is anything.  I think it would be great to loosen up Asia.
19:39 < armijn> fake: nope, but it sounds like it's ugly :)
19:39 < fake> armijn: about softare piracy ;)
19:39 < armijn> cchamilt: I'll think about something
19:39 < cchamilt> Well anything is fine, even goofy stuff like replacing windows.
19:39 < fake> armijn: configure.in is a shell script if you run autoconf in the directory - it doesnt complain. no-no. it produes a configure-script. 0 bytes size.
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19:40 < cchamilt> That is why I want ideas, We are clueless.
19:40 < armijn> cchamilt: just Linux?
19:40 < cchamilt> armijn:Open source is fine.
19:40 < armijn> cchamilt: give me a few minutes and I'll mail you a list :)
19:40 < armijn> cchamilt: ok
19:41 < cchamilt> fake:What version of automake, etc are you using?
19:41 < fake> cchamilt: 2.53
19:41 < fake> autoconf
19:41 < fake> automake 1.6 and yes, i have a running perl.
19:42 < fake> (thanks to rxr !)
19:42 < cchamilt> fake:I think it was once an update (1.5) that I saw something like that.
19:42 < fake> im a 1.7..
19:42 < fake> aw, what the hell. i'll have a look at it again. at home.
19:42 < fake> where i'm heading. cya
19:43 < cchamilt> fake:No automake vers, anyway cya.
19:43 < armijn> cchamilt: working on a list...
19:43 < cchamilt> I should probably go soon too.
19:43 < cchamilt> I have an SP4 to play with tomorrow.  Yumm AIX.
19:43 < armijn> cchamilt: that's why I'm sending it by mail :)
19:43 < armijn> urgh
19:45 < cchamilt> esden:Could you play with gentoo's downloading?
19:45 < esden> cchamilt: yes i could
19:45 < esden> why ?
19:45 < cchamilt> esden:I heard they had link problems?
19:46 < cchamilt> esden:Just wanted to compare their package capability with ours.
19:46 < esden> hmm ... ok ... i will look in it 
19:47 < esden> and then I will write another mail
19:47 < cchamilt> Well, I think I should go.  I'll try and come back tomorrow.
19:47 < armijn> cu
19:47 < cchamilt> esden:Good!
19:47 < esden> cchamilt: could you write something to the mailinglist ... so that there is some discussion or so ?
19:47 < esden> till now there was no reaction ... 
19:47 < cchamilt> I'll try and have a call for papers tomorrow.
19:47 < armijn> esden: oh, I read it...
19:48 < armijn> esden: just no time to respond so far
19:48 < esden> armijn: ahh ok ... 
19:48 < cchamilt> OK. Bye all.
19:48 < armijn> cchamilt: in about an hour you've got a list
19:48 < armijn> cu
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19:53 < huebi> re
19:55 < esden> re huebi 
19:58 < huebi> esden: what sort of memory does the alphastation 443a need?
19:59 < esden> huebi: no idea ...
19:59 < esden> i have not looked for it
19:59 < esden> i need memory for my pws433
19:59 < huebi> esden: What alphastation do you have?
20:00 < esden> the name is ... personal workstation 433 and i have also a alphastation 255
20:00 < esden> i can look inside and check what ram is in it
20:01 < huebi> esden: is the box ripclaw offered the same as yours?
20:01 < esden> no the bok ripclaw offers is faster then mine
20:01 < armijn> it's expensiive money
20:02 < esden> huebi: it is not the tower model i had on lt ... but a desktop thingy
20:02 < armijn> hi huebi!
20:02 < esden> normally in gray/blue color
20:02 < huebi> hi armijn ;-)
20:02 < huebi> esden: he says that it is the same as yours...
20:03 < armijn> urgh, want 1.5.16 changelog
20:03 < huebi> armijn: I did some stuff on sparc64 but I still have to fix the kernel package.
20:03 < esden> huebi: the modules look like simm modules
20:03 < esden> but i do not think that they are the same
20:04 < huebi> esden: ECC? registered?
20:04 < huebi> SDRAM like modules?
20:04 < armijn> huebi: as in, need better config?
20:04 < huebi> or PS/2 Modules
20:04 < armijn> huebi: did you fix stuff?
20:05 < esden> huebi: looks like ps2
20:05 < esden> I will look online
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20:05 < esden> re rolla 
20:05 < rolla> re
20:05 < huebi> armijn: config now ok. the kernel now compiles
20:05 < huebi> +is
20:06 < huebi> but there are the asebler files doubled in linux and linux-src
20:07 < huebi> hi rolla 
20:07 < rolla> hallo
20:09 < esden> huebi: "A PC164SX takes plain PC100 SDRAM (unbuffered, non-ECC)"
20:09 < huebi> kool
20:09 < esden> hmm ... no idea if the motherboard in as is a sx
20:09 * -> esden checking
20:11 < armijn> huebi: but you said you still have to fix the kernel package....
20:12 < huebi> armijn: Yes. There are files in linux and also in linux-src. But now the kernel compiles and works.
20:12 < armijn> so, then what's the problem?
20:12 < esden> huebi: The AlphaStation 200 series takes standard 60ns or 70ns 72 pin parity
20:12 < esden> simms.  The sizes it will work with are 8, 16, 32 & 64 meg simms, that must be
20:12 < esden> added in pairs.  I would suspect that yours will take the same.
20:13 < fake> re.
20:13 < huebi> esden: How many Pins do the simms have?
20:13 < fake> 172 ?
20:14 < fake> esden is counting ;)
20:14 < huebi> 168 or 72
20:14 < esden> 72-pin SIMM
20:14 < fake> *ugh*
20:14 < esden> in the 200 alphastation
20:14 < huebi> and in the big one?
20:14 < fake> esden: you are counting pretty fast.
20:14 < huebi> there should be 168 pins
20:15 < huebi> if you have 184 it's a sun
20:15 < fake> who counts these pins??
20:15 < armijn> well, esden of course!
20:15 * -> esden contitues the search
20:16 < huebi> fake: It's not clear what sort of simm is meant by esden. Best to count the pins
20:16 < fake> huebi: oh, and measure the current
20:17 < huebi> fake: and the voltage...
20:17 < fake> and if they break when you jump onto them
20:18 < fake> how they taste, smell.... etc ;)
20:18 < fake> huebi: how was the bbq ?
20:18 < huebi> there a also DRAMs (nomally 72) with the size of SDRAM (168 pins)
20:18 < fake> the one is DIMM, the other SIMM
20:20 < huebi> fake: Very, very nice. Many different people, interesting talks.
20:20 < fake> damn it. that's not what i wanted to hear ;)
20:20 < huebi> fake PS/2 SIMM and SIMM (30 pins)
20:21 < huebi> and Ella eating some dirt and saying "lecker" - big loughing
20:21 < armijn> huebi: so, are there any problems left on sparc64?
20:21 < armijn> well, dirt can be really nice...
20:21 < armijn> :)
20:22 < fake> hehe. SIMM. reminds me of the good times.
20:22 < fake> wheren't that 32? i dunno - i never counted them ;))
20:23 < huebi> I have old FastPageMode SIMMs with parity in my SparcStation IPX
20:23 < rolla> :)\
20:23 < armijn> huebi: got an IPX?
20:23 * fake exchanged "his" IPC for a SS5.
20:23 < esden> huebi: there is no sure answer for your question ... some people say that it is ok ... and other people say that as need 36bit ram and not 32bit .. strange
20:24 < huebi> armijn: Yes there are. Silo e. g. must be fixed for devfs and needs a working silo.conf
20:24 < armijn> huebi: I thought silo had been fixed for devfs...
20:24 < armijn> or was that just rippi talking...
20:24 < huebi> fake: kool deal.
20:24 < huebi> sun4m for an old sun4c
20:24 < esden> huebi: http://www.venturatech.com/digital.html
20:24 < fake> huebi: yes, because the IPC was broken - not only the on-die-battery, but also the power supply.
20:25 < rolla> fake: I got an old SS2 :)
20:25 < fake> i've got a ss20 at work
20:25 < esden> rolla: I have also a ss2
20:25 < armijn> I've got an Ultra1
20:25 < fake> but i can't get it :( not our's
20:25 < rolla> my prom is dead in it :(
20:25 < armijn> and two javastations
20:25 < rolla> yeah I had a java station around here somewhere 
20:26 * fake will get an HP Server 9000 really soon
20:26 < huebi> fake: I gave away my IPC with 64MB! fully loaded and a CG6 because the onboard bwtwo war broken.
20:26 < fake> cg6? bwtwo?
20:26 < armijn> huebi: but devfs hasn't been fixed? I thought rippi said it was!
20:26 < fake> armijn: you will do the hppa port, right?
20:27 < huebi> rolla: The prom costs about 10 to 15 $  SG Microelectronics
20:27 < rolla> website ??
20:27 < armijn> fake: nope, not anymore. Don't have hppa right now
20:27 < armijn> fake: sparc first
20:27 < armijn> fake: sparc64 first, then alpha and sparc
20:27 < huebi> rolla: SGS Tomson? 
20:27 < huebi> rolla: mom
20:27 < fake> armijn: unfortunately i will not be allowed to sell/give away the machine :(
20:28 < rolla> that sucks
20:28 < fake> armijn: but i'll be able to port a bit. but i will not maintain it - mips is first ;)
20:28 < armijn> fake: ah, all my machines are like that :)
20:28 < rolla> I hate it when companies do that :(
20:28 * armijn pokes huebi
20:28 < huebi> rolla: http://www.us.st.com/stonline/index.htm
20:28 < rolla> danke
20:29 < fake> rolla: it's about where the machine goes after you strike it out of the records
20:29 < armijn> huebi: but devfs hasn't been fixed? I thought rippi said it was!
20:30 < rolla> true
20:30 < huebi> armijn: He called me, and he wants to have it done till the weekend. But he has no sparc arround and is in Munich on a sun training
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20:30 < fake> in munich on a SUN training. and no sparc around. *argh*
20:30 * fake wants to be in munich too
20:30 < armijn> heh, I don't want to be in munich
20:30 < huebi> rolla: below the yello mark with the ethernet ID you have the IC name.
20:31 < huebi> +w
20:31 < fake> armijn: think about all the good b33r!
20:31 < armijn> fake: not very fond of german beer...
20:31 < rolla> no :(
20:31 < rolla> box is at home I am at work
20:32 < fake> armijn: german wine, perhaps?
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20:32 < owl> hi
20:32 < fake> hi owl!
20:32 < huebi> hi owl 
20:32 < armijn> huebi: so, the devfs fix will have to wait...hmm...not funny...but then there are still other packages that need to be fixed
20:32 < rolla> re owl
20:32 < armijn> fake: nah, belgian and dutch beer :)
20:32 < huebi> armijn: stout!
20:32 < fake> *urgh* i had that at HAL
20:33 < armijn> fake: was that Heineken?
20:33 < armijn> or Grolsch?
20:33 < fake> armijn: both. 
20:33 < armijn> Grolsch is the only dutch beer that follows the reinheitsgebot
20:33 < armijn> but Heineken is just gross
20:33 < huebi> flood of sparc64 errors following
20:33 < huebi> root@rock:/var/tmp # ls -tr 3*
20:33 < huebi> 3-nasm.err           3-gnome-utils.err    3-rep-gtk.err
20:33 < huebi> 3-linux.err          3-gnome-network.err  3-sawfish.err
20:33 < huebi> 3-mtools.err         3-gedit.err          3-apmd.err
20:33 < huebi> 3-alsa.err           3-galeon.err         3-softdog.err
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20:33 < huebi> 3-libgtop.err        3-nautilus.err       3-pcmcia-cs.err
20:34 < huebi> 3-gdm.err            3-gtop.err           3-iproute2.err
20:34 < huebi> 3-gnome-core.err     3-eog.err            3-openssh.err
20:34 < huebi> 3-gnome-applets.err  3-xscreensaver.err
20:34 < huebi>  
20:34 < armijn> fake: it would be like saying that all german beer is gross, because I don't like Warsteiner...
20:34 < huebi> hi rene
20:34 * owl is confused right now. is it channel about beer or linux? ;P
20:34 < fake> armijn: yeah yeah. please... i want that last bit of national proud ;)
20:34 < huebi> rxr: 3-libgtop.err <- did you fix it for sparc64?
20:34 < armijn> huebi: I think it might be because of kernel errors...
20:34 < huebi> owl: about OpenBeer
20:35 < fake> from the Redmond Hills
20:35 < owl> omg! ;)
20:36 * fake saw an original UltraSparc beer bottle.
20:36 < fake> in langen ;)
20:36 < huebi> Original Harley Beer in 5l bins coms here from Pfungstadt.
20:37 < huebi> +e
20:37 < fake> b33r rul3z
20:37 < rolla> 133t b33r ?
20:39 < huebi> The CEO of my prefered berr Grohe Export did die 3 Months ago... very sad and very good beer. Also avaliable in 30 , 50 and bigger wooden barrels.
20:40 < huebi> big fun on parties this Beer.
20:41 < armijn> heheheh
20:41 < huebi> I have to leave getting some gyrotwisters - http://www.gyrotwister.de/netscape/index.php4
20:41 < huebi>  I'll be back at 22:00 MET
20:42 < armijn> heheh
20:42 < armijn> huebi will build muscles!
20:42 < armijn> so he can type better
20:42 < armijn> have fun!
20:45 < armijn> he needs that
20:52 < armijn> yeah, am off
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21:10 < fake> *grrr* why can't i understand that damn configure script?
21:11 < rolla> cause it is written in greek ?
21:16 < fake> rolla: no. because it's broken.
21:17 < fake> it says: "If we are on a mips machine, don't use libffi."
21:17 < fake> but then: "If we are building gcj, include libffi anyways."
21:17 < fake> so it seems
21:18 < rolla> :)
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21:35 < fake> *ARGH*
21:35 < fake> i simply have to specify --target, not --host !!
21:35 < [anders]> :)
21:35 < fake> what a stupid configure script ....
21:35 < rolla> that sucks
21:37 < fake> YES. finally...
21:37 < fake> boy.... 2 days of digging into shell scripts... just for a --target not --host >_<
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21:41 < tsa> re
21:45 < fake> re tsa
21:55 < tsa> hi fake
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22:10 < term_aweh> good night
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22:12 < [anders]> Ho hum.. just ordered all apart from the Shuttle Barebone case.. Only £1100 quid.... *AAAAAAAAAARRRRGHHHHHH!!!!*
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22:21 < esden> re hi all
22:22 < owl> re esden
22:23 < ringo78> re esden
22:37 < esden> ok ... another mail sent to rocklinux mailinglist about gentoo
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22:51 < ringo78> whats the mather with the rock read only sub-distro ? Is it discontunued ?
22:51 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@linus.regehr.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:52 < ringo78> s/discontunued/discontinued 
22:52 < holyolli> re
22:58 < esden> re holyolli 
22:58 < holyolli> hi esden
22:58 < esden> ringo78: I have not heard anything about it for long time now
22:58 * -> esden copying alpha stuff to his home
22:59 < holyolli> esden: which? 1.5?
23:01 < ringo78> I'll give it a try tomorrow, got to sleep .... n8 alle !
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23:03 < esden> holyolli: no the html pages
23:07 < fake> wow... gcc3 finished already?
23:08 < fake> ow. stage1. yes. c-only ;)
23:11 < rolla> cool fake
23:13 < fake> rolla: stage1 always worked ;)
23:14 < rolla> ah
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23:49 < huebi> MoeP!
23:49 < th> huch
23:51 < huebi> On my way home a drunken man wrecked my car and tried to drive away.
23:51 < huebi> th Post ? ;-)
23:54 < huebi> I got him. hehe
23:56 < tsa> hmm...
23:56 < tsa> how drunk was he?
23:57 < huebi> not too much. He was still able to walk but not to drive in the normal way.
23:58 < huebi> he had not lost his mother toung
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