--- Log opened Wed Jun 26 00:00:07 2002
--- Day changed Sat Jun 26 2002
00:09 < esden> hi all
00:10 < fake> ha... the ldconfig from debain is strange...
00:11 < fake> while the "original" ldconfig uses a read() statement, the debian's one doesnt ... o_O
00:18 < esden> fake: have you found your coredump problem in ldconfig on mips ?
00:18 < esden> or was it something different that crashed badly ?
00:18 < fake> esden: no coredump. just segfault. and no, not yet. i will examine it further tomorrow.
00:19 < esden> ok
00:19 * -> esden lookig how natalie feels ;-)
00:23 < fake> ah, no. I'll do it _now_
00:30 < th> huebi: url?
00:31 < huebi> th: It printed ;(  try www.ssc.com
00:31 -!- mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux
00:31 < mike1> re
00:31 < huebi> hi mike1 
00:31 < mike1> hi andreas
00:31 < th> huebi: just recent stuff there
00:32 < huebi> th: no archive there?
00:32 < huebi> th: google?
00:33 < esden> hi mike1 
00:33 < mike1> esden: i thought you would be at #gentoo
00:33 < mike1> hi esden ;)
00:33 < esden> mike1: ?????
00:33 < esden> mike1: schould I leave this channel and go to them ?
00:33 < mike1> esden: just read ur mail to the mailing list a while ago
00:33 < esden> should I ???
00:33 < mike1> esden: no way
00:34 < esden> good .. ;-)
00:34 < mike1> just thought youd be standing for rock-linux ;)
00:34 < mike1> but certainly you are right
00:34 < mike1> it makes no sence to leave this chan to go there
00:34 < esden> I was more critisizing them ... than saying they are good
00:35 < mike1> i know ;)
00:35 < esden> the things that are good have nothing to do with portage that is what they think is good in their distro ...
00:36 < esden> and we can easyly take the good parts to us
00:36 < esden> or better say learn from them ...
00:36 < th> Another way to browse the internet, the World Wide Web brings the Internet's old and new
00:36 < mike1> i think that they will with the time just become another user friendly distro
00:36 < esden> we should learn from others
00:36 < th>                             resources together.
00:37 < esden> mike1: I suppose that that is their gole
00:37 < mike1> yeah not steal but learn from the good things that other have to improve our distro :D
00:37 < esden> mike1: that is what I wanted to say
00:37 < mike1> esden: about that "nerd people" comment
00:38 < esden> yes ?
00:38 < mike1> what can i say
00:38 < esden> ...
00:38 < mike1> not everyone has the guts to do something more deep than using a guy interface
00:38 < mike1> or getting the distro to auto detect the hardware 
00:38 < esden> hehe ... 
00:39 < mike1> no auto-hardware-detection is only for genius i guess
00:39 < mike1> lol
00:39 < esden> lol
00:40 < fake> *LOL*
00:40 < th> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=2769
00:40 < fake> from ldconfig.c : when you want to do everything ldconfig can do (cache rebuild:)
00:40 < mike1> Anyways i found it a good thing that you sent the report to the list, telling us the good and bad things 
00:40 < fake>  /* the lazy bum want's us to do all the work for him */
00:40 < esden> mike1: I would like to play with hardware auto detection ... so I will probably integrate it as an option to the new installdisk system
00:41 < mike1> i think rene had made some work on this on his last drock release an i wrong?
00:41 < esden> no idea
00:41 * -> esden does not have anything to do with drock
00:42 < esden> drock seems to be too user friendly ;-)
00:42 < mike1> lol
00:42 < mike1> still i think there something of hardware detection i will find it out later
00:42 < esden> I do not have to compile my windowmenager by myself ... that is something for weenies ;-)
00:43 < esden> mike1: please do it
00:43 < mike1> esden: i will
00:43 < mike1> th: nice article
00:44 * mike1 getting some coffee... anyone wants some?
00:45 < esden> no thanks ... I have jolt ;-)
00:45 * mike1 costarican cosffee BTW esden
00:45 < mike1> *g
00:45 < esden> it is too hot for coffee
00:45 < esden> ahh that is an argument
00:45 < esden> then I would like also one ;-)
00:46 * -> esden and blindcoder are trying to organize proppeller hats with rocklinux logo on them for 19C3 
00:46 < esden> for all rock developers that will be there ;-)
00:48 < mike1> esden: i would like to have 2 please
00:48 < mike1> *g
00:48 < SMP> hell.. read http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/propeller-head.html and stop making an elephant of a fly
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00:49 < esden> SMP: why are you getting angry ? I think it is funny to run around with a propeller on your head .. that is all 
00:50 < huebi> I want a fully automatic air condition in my hat.
00:51 < esden> you do not have to wear it @ SMP
00:51 < esden> huebi: hehe ... batteries included ;-)
00:51 < huebi> esden: powered by an fusion reactor ;-)
00:52 < SMP> I know I don't _have to_...
00:52 < SMP> ;-}
00:52 < esden> huebi: cold fusion reactor ... /me working on it currently in his free time 
00:53 < mike1> funny thing is that we were trying to improve our PR stuff, now suddenly the idea of the propeller hats comes up
00:54 < esden> mike1: I think that if _some_ of us (looking towards SMP) wear the hats ... then the people will remember us ;-)
00:54 < mike1> definitly
00:55 < mike1> it would be cool to have not only the hats but also cool shirts for 19c3
00:55 < huebi> y
00:55 < mike1> maybe get the a new logo
00:55 < esden> mike1: ack
00:55 < huebi> oops
00:56 < esden> mike1: I like the current logo by now
00:56 < SMP> R0C|< L33N0X 0wnZ Y3R
00:56 < huebi> esden: but the "Fuss" of the L is too big.
00:57 < SMP> that would fit well for 19C3 I think ;>
00:57 < mike1> SMP: hehe
00:57 < esden> SMP: lol
00:57 < huebi> SMP: ...assimilates you?
00:58 < mike1> rxr: you awake?
00:58 < SMP> 7350 can't be the only ones there with cool shirts
00:58 < mike1> SMP: true
00:58 < SMP> ehm
00:58 < SMP> s,coo,l33t,
00:58 < mike1> but who cares we are getting hats
00:58 < huebi> root@fels:~# ll /etc/init.d/
00:58 < huebi> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           13 Jun 23 02:58 init.d -> ../etc/init.d
00:59 < huebi> Does somebody know where tis link comes from?
00:59 < esden> huebi: that is still there?
00:59 < esden> it breaks runlvedit
00:59 < huebi> jo
00:59 < huebi> jo
00:59 < esden> I have removed it on all my boxes
01:00 < esden> and had no problems till now ...
01:00 < esden> beside the one that runlvedit works now ;-)
01:00 < huebi> but where does it come from. Deleting is lame ;-)))
01:01 < esden> who wants to organize cool ... ehhhm l33t ... t-shirts for 19C3 ?
01:01 < SMP> is it in /var/adm/flists/* ?
01:02 < esden> hmm .. me not ...
01:02 < huebi> SMP: Yes! in:
01:02 < huebi> /var/adm/flists/sysfiles
01:02 < huebi> easy to fix
01:05 < fake> hm...
01:05 * fake now really doing printf debugging
01:06 < fake> Checking wether libncurses.so is a shlib... yes, now checking.
01:06 < fake> Malloc: OK. xstrdup: OK. xstrdup2: OK. libtype: OK. islink: OK. Assign Next: OK. set libs = lp: OK.
01:06 < fake> and so forth....
01:07 < huebi> ... fixed.
01:07 < esden> fake: have fun ...
01:10 < huebi> SMP, th: is it possible to get the Changelog online somewhere?
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01:12 < huebi> ps axf
01:12 < huebi> ;-)
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01:13 < esden> .
01:14 < mike1> re [anders]
01:16 < esden> n8 @ all
01:16 < fake> nacht esden
01:20 < mike1> n8 esden
01:22 < fake> ah... i might have found something...
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02:03 < fake> hm... the closer i look the earlier it segfaults
02:03 < huebi> ;(
02:06 < huebi> I cleaned up a little bit here in my room. The SUNs are not standing in the middle of the room anymore ;-))
02:07 < huebi> They both are now connected with the serial console to my gateway PC
02:11 < fake> wee. it's a string function.
02:12 < huebi> fake: nice. cu tomorrow ;-)
02:12 < huebi> by
02:12 < fake> cya!
02:12 < mike1> by fake
02:13 < fake> err. i'm not leaving.
02:13 < mike1> fake: hehe
02:13 < mike1> bye huebi
02:13 < huebi> bye mike1 
02:13 < huebi> I just started 2 new builds for sparc64
02:13 < huebi> n8
02:14 < mike1> cool
02:39 < fake> aw. i'll debug it tomorrow. sleep well mike1 ;)
02:40 < mike1> you too fake
02:43 < fake> thanks!
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08:01 < esden> morning
08:11 < mike1> good morning esden
08:11 < mike1> how are you today my friend?
08:14 < mike1> well its 00:15 am here
08:14 < mike1> i better go get some sleep
08:14 < mike1> see you later
08:25 < esden> cu l8er mike1 
08:25 < esden> if you are still here ... I am fine 
08:25 < esden> and how are you ?
08:25 < esden> tired I suppose
08:26 * -> esden trying out wolk 
08:26 < esden> wolk = Working Overloaded Linux Kernel
08:52 < esden> huebi: I need YOU !!!
08:55 < praenti> wolk??
09:01 < esden> yes wolk : http://www.sf.net/projects/wolk
09:01 < esden> it looks good
09:01 < esden> but it is too bloated for me
09:02 < esden> I need a vanilla+alsa+preempty+newestpcmcia
09:03 < esden> there are some other nice patches. but I need them only for the lain target
09:04 < esden> praenti: do you know why the linux-src package fails in 1.5 cvs tree ?
09:05 < esden> first of all the packet can not find the tarball of the kernel
09:06 < esden> (I symlinked to fix it base-archive/linux base-archive/linux-src ... that is not a clean fix)
09:06 < esden> and than I still get this error:
09:06 < esden> he file autoconf.h and modversions.h must be in the right place ...
09:06 < esden> `/rock-linux/misc/linux/autoconf.h' -> `include/linux/autoconf.h'
09:06 < esden> Create symlinks and a few headers for arch <> ...
09:06 < esden> Creating default kernel configuration ...
09:06 < esden>   using: '/rock-linux/arch-conf/alpha/kernel-.conf'
09:06 < esden> cp: cannot stat `/rock-linux/arch-conf/alpha/kernel-.conf': No such file or directory
09:06 < esden> --
09:07 < esden> I thought that huebi fixed this stuff already ...
09:07 * -> esden needs huebi to wake up ...
09:09 < esden> ahh .. it seems that there is a problem with alpha ... hmm
09:12 < praenti> esden: looks like alpha problem. if i'm on the right boat, kernel-.conf does not exist
09:13 < praenti> should be be kernel.conf i think
09:13 < esden> yes that is right
09:13 < esden> but the other thing that the tarball is not beeing found is not arch dependant
09:14 < esden> the scripts are searching for the tarball in base-archive/linux-src and not in base-archive/linux
09:14 < esden> that is wrong if I understand it correctly
09:16 < rxr> re
09:17 < praenti> esden: you can hardcode it ;-) at the moment iit looks this way
09:17 < praenti> tar --use-compress-program=bzip2 -xf \
09:17 < praenti>                 $archdir/linux-$ver.tar.bz2
09:18 < praenti> and $archdir=base-archive/linux-src/...
09:18 < praenti> ahh
09:18 < praenti> and $archdir=base-archive/linux-src
09:18 < praenti> thats what i mean
09:21 < esden> hmm ... I should change $archdir to what variable
09:21 < esden> I do not remember the variables anymore
09:21 < esden> re rxr 
09:22 < rxr> hi esden 
09:22 < esden> yes hi ;-)
09:22 * -> esden needs nicotine NOW a lot of it !!!
09:24 < praenti> esden: for example  to base-archive/linux
09:24 < praenti> esden: why? believe me you dont need nicotine
09:25 < esden> wer bekennt sich schuldig die datei linux-src geschrieben zu haben !!!
09:26 < praenti> da musst du glaub ich auf huebi warten. noch was gefunden?
09:26 < esden> they are praenti I need it ... I need something to cool down ... otherwise I will kill someone .. 
09:26 < rxr> esden: vielleicht ich und cliff ...
09:26 < esden> for example the one who wrote the scripts !!!
09:26 < esden> arghsl
09:26 < rxr> esden: the linux and liuux-src build stuff in 1.7 ??????????
09:27 < esden> no 1.5
09:27 < rxr> oh - ok. This was huebi ...
09:27 < esden> ok so he must die ... or I get nikotine ;-)
09:27 < praenti> esden: was is na an dem script noch scheie?
09:28 * -> esden brb
09:32 < esden> re
09:33 < esden> praenti: the script assumes that all arch's have $ROCKCFG_CPU_OPT ... that is not true
09:33 < praenti> ahhm. ja das is scheie
09:33 < esden> and uses it as base for lx_cpu
09:34 < esden> that cat not work
09:34 < esden> s/cat/can/
09:37 < rxr> your cat doesn't work ? ;-)
09:39 < esden> lol
09:39 * -> esden would like to have a cat 
09:39 * -> esden love's cat's
09:39 < esden> uhhm
09:39 < esden> cats
09:40 < esden> hmm ... the tik was obsolete
09:40 < rxr> ;-) ok - cu all ...
09:44 < th> huebi: ping
09:44 < th> moin #
09:45 < esden> hi th 
10:01 -!- [anders] [~guest@imhotep.hursley.ibm.com] has joined #rocklinux
10:01 < [anders]> re all;
10:01 < [anders]> Q: how would I get bash to link with ncurses when using the build system in ROCK 1.4.0
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10:03 < holyolli> moin
10:03 < [anders]> re holyolli 
10:03 < [anders]> holyolli: perhaps you know the answer..? :)
10:03 < [anders]> Q: how would I get bash to link with ncurses when using the build system in ROCK 1.4.0
10:03 < blindcoder> konnichi wa, mina-san!
10:03 < blindcoder> esden: you there?
10:04 < holyolli> hi anders...
10:04 < holyolli> sorry, but I don't know it
10:04 < [anders]> 'tis ok.. I'll figure it out somehow.. Not going to be a pretty solution though.. :-D
10:09 < esden> blindcoder: yes
10:09 < esden> argh ... 
10:10 < esden> fsck 1.5 on alpha
10:10 < esden> nothing works
10:10 < holyolli> hi esden
10:10 < esden> hi holyolli 
10:10 < huebi> moin
10:10 < holyolli> huhu huebi
10:11 < esden> huebi: gut dass du da bist
10:11 < huebi> hi holyolli 
10:11 < huebi> hi esden 
10:11 < esden> huebi: ich sollte dich schlagen weisst du ?
10:11 < praenti> moin huebi 
10:11 < holyolli> .oO(now they get all awake... ;-)
10:11 < esden> aber ich habe es jetzt gefixed ... jetzt bin ich wieder ruhig
10:11 < huebi> esden: Warum?
10:12 < fake> morning
10:12 < esden> huebi: kann es sein dass du die kernel build scripte neu geschrieben hast ?
10:12 < esden> oder basieren die auf etwas ?
10:13 < esden> hi fake 
10:13 < huebi> esden: die basieren auf den scripten von dRock. Sind aber stark umgebaut. 
10:13 < esden> ja ... die sind nict wirklich arch aware
10:14 < huebi> ist jetzt nicht mehr modules und linux sondern linux und linux-src
10:14 < fake> esden: wie steht es eigentlich mit der PS2-Sache? Ich hab jetzt nen paypal acc, und du warst derjenige der am lautesten geschrien hat... vielleicht solltest du als gutes Beispiel vorangehen...
10:14 < fake> ;-)
10:14 * fake _really_ wants to do that port
10:15 < esden> huebi: da wird angenommen dass jede architektur $ROCKCFG_CPU_OPT besitzt
10:15 < esden> dass stimmt nicht
10:15 < huebi> esden: Ich weiss und bin auch schon am bauen. Mit sparc64 gibt es da auch noch probleme.
10:15 < [anders]> sussed it.. was an easy solution..
10:15 < huebi> esden: Jede Architeektur bekommt einfach ein ROCKCFG_CPU_OPT.
10:15 < esden> ich habe es jetzt fuer alpha gefixed ... aber es kann sein dass dieser fix auch fuer andere richtekturen greift
10:16 < esden> huebi: noe wozu ?
10:16 < huebi> export LANG=en_GB ?
10:16 < [anders]> to bash.conf add the line "export bash_cv_termcap_lib=libncurses"
10:16 < esden> ok why do we need in all arches ROCKCFG_CPU_OPT??
10:16 < [anders]> viola, internationalised bash..
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10:17 < huebi> esden: ROCKCFG_CPU_OPT is needed to select the right CPU opt. esp in ia32
10:18 < huebi> and in sparc
10:18 < huebi> but not in sparc64
10:18 < esden> yes in ia32 but I do not think that all arches need it ...
10:18 < esden> I will add it in alpha too ... but I do nat think that all arches need it...
10:20 < huebi> esden: You are very right. Not all archs need it but some. I want to have it in an consistant way for all arch/CPU compinations.
10:20 < huebi> s/p/b/
10:20 < esden> that is an argument
10:21 < th> huebi: du hattest sie doch nicht an meine adresse geschickt. war heut bei der firmenadresse und hab das paket gesehen :)
10:21 < blindcoder> time for setting up a new router... this one is fubar
10:21 < blindcoder> esden: have a look at animepixel.n3.net (German Tranlastor) :D
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10:23 < huebi> th: Schoen, das es angekommen ist ;-))
10:23 < th> huebi: jepp :-) und die MAC hab ich glaub ich schon
10:23 < fake> esden: no comment?
10:23 < huebi> th: Steht drauf *g*
10:23 < th> huebi: oha dann kann ich ja kontrollieren
10:24 < esden> blindcoder: cool ... 
10:24 < blindcoder> huebi: I should be able to send you a Build-Build Script (or whatever more suitable name one finds ;) by this weekend
10:24 < huebi> th: und faengt mit 08:00:20 an.
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10:24 < esden> blindcoder: could this guy not use a bigger font ?
10:24 < blindcoder> esden: no, I think this is alread size="7"
10:24 < th> huebi: ein luefter muss da aber schon drin sein.
10:25 < huebi> blindcoder: Kool! Will be teste and implemented immediatly then.
10:25 < esden> blindcoder: ohh ... that is sad ... >_<
10:25 < huebi> th: HAE?
10:25 < th> huebi: man hoert ein geraeusch
10:25 < huebi> th: Vielleicht ein Killerkaefer?
10:26 < fake> esden: great! talking about doing something and then being oh-so-quiet when it comes to actually _doing_ something.. weenie...
10:26 < huebi> th: Mach sie doch mal auf...
10:26 < th> huebi: ein killerkaefer?
10:26 < esden> fake: ???
10:26 < esden> asooo
10:26 < esden> sorry 
10:27 < esden> ich habe deinen poset uebersehen ...
10:27 < fake> beide?
10:27 < huebi> th: Kolumbianische riesen Killerkaefer. werden mit Kaffeemaschinen eingeschleppt. ungefaehr 50Kg schwer, der Kaefer.
10:27 < esden> hmm ... ich muss erstmal geld auftreiben
10:27 < esden> ;-)
10:27 < th> huebi: wow :)
10:27 < esden> fake: weisst wieso ich so geschrieen habe ?
10:27 < fake> wann?
10:27 < esden> weil ich weiss wie es ist kein geld zu haben um hardware anzuschaffen ...
10:27 < th> huebi: hmm. muss schwerer sein als gold der kaefer, wenn er in der station steckt
10:28 < esden> ja wegen der PS2 sache
10:28 < fake> esden: man sollte nicht etwas vorschlagen was man selbst nicht einhalten kann
10:29 < huebi> th: wenn du zu ihm "MuH!" sagst macht er platz und laesst sich den Panzer polieren. Schnurrt dann irgend wann
10:29 < huebi> th: Was ist es denn fuer ein Geraeusch? so im ernst mal.. *g*
10:29 < th> huebi: klingt wie ein kleiner luefter...
10:29 < esden> fake: ok ... ich habe auch nicht gemeint dass ich es zahlen werde ... wir haben genug leute die geld verdienen denen paar euro nichts ausmachen ...
10:29 < esden> fake: es war nur gut gemeint
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10:30 < holyolli> re
10:30 < esden> ich lasse es dass naechste mal
10:30 < th> huebi: oder ein rauschen von angeschalteten boxen
10:30 < fake> esden: gute idee.
10:30 < esden> fake: arschloch
10:30 < th> gibts schon ein howto-rock-with-jstation.txt
10:31 * praenti is in der fh. cya later
10:32 < fake> http://images.dibona.com/pictures/showpic/index.shtml?Kernel02/convs/12x10_dscn4025.jpg
10:33 < fake> is that linus lying down in front of them?
10:34 < huebi> th: die hat keinen. definitiv nicht, aber es koennte ein Stoergeraeusch aus dem eingebautem Lautsprecher sein.
10:35 < th> huebi: ahh is also ein lautsprecher drin. das koennte es sein.
10:35 < huebi> th: mit sound on board!
10:36 < huebi> th: mach sie doch einfach vorsichtig auf. Die lila Klappen oeffnen und dann die beiden grauen Gehaeuseteile einfach auseinanderziehen...
10:36 < huebi> aber vorsichtig!
10:37 < th> na ersma noch nich
10:37 < th> ersma wundere ich mich warum mein bootpd nicht anspring
10:37 < th> t
10:37 < huebi> dann die gehaeusehaelfte, in der nicht die Platine sitzt nach hinten ziehen. Die Gehaeuseteile nicht zu weit auseinander ziehen.
10:38 < huebi> th: dhcpd. neueste version. wichtig! MTU ist bei 1514. Aeltere dhcpd koennen das noch nicht.
10:38 < th> huebi: ein bootpd reicht nicht?
10:40 < huebi> th: http://www.ssc.com/mirrors/LDP/HOWTO/JavaStation-HOWTO/index.html <- da steht alles drin.
10:40 < huebi> th: Ich habe nur dhcpd ausprobiert.
10:43 < th> This kernel does not support RARP.
10:44 < th> modprobe rarp
10:44 < th> *whew*
10:44 < SMP> RARP? ich dachte DHCP reicht?
10:44 < huebi> mom
10:44 < huebi> moin SMP 
10:44 < SMP> wenn's denn funktionieren taete..
10:45 < huebi> also den kernel habe ich geladen bekommen.
10:45 < huebi> on nfs ging auch
10:45 < huebi>  / on nfs ging auch
10:45 < SMP> th: meine JS bekommt vom dhcpf DHCPOFFERs, schickt aber kein DHCPACK, sondern immer wieder nur DHCPDISCOVERs
10:46 < huebi> baut doch beide mal das flas rom aus.
10:46 < huebi> +h
10:46 < SMP> s,dhcpf,dhcpd,
10:46 < SMP> uhm
10:46 < th> 10:45:14.028915 0.0.0.0.68 > 255.255.255.255.67: xid:0xc73beb21 [|bootp]
10:46 < th> das schickt sie. und das is ne bootp anfrage
10:47 < th> mein bootpd scheint garnicht zu loggen
10:47 < huebi> oder direkt am Lautsprecher gibt es noch 4 jumper ehrm Draufstoeplselmoeglichkeiten.
10:48 < huebi> entweder die 2. oder 3. Jumperstelle schliessen und das ding bootet vom Netz und nicht vom Flash
10:48 < huebi> oder
10:49 < huebi> ALT-h schon vor dem einschalten gedrueckt halten. Kommt dann eine kurze hilfe.
10:49 < esden> fake: I have a paypal account now too ... but I have no credit card so I still can not send you money .. >_<
10:49 < huebi> bei FW 3.11fw14 oder so..
10:49 < SMP> Trick um die Gehaeusehaelfte ohne MB vollstaendig zu Loesen?
10:49 -!- [anders] [~guest@imhotep.hursley.ibm.com] has joined #rocklinux
10:50 < th> kennt jemand die tcpdump syntax um bestimmte logs auszuschliessen?
10:50 < huebi> SMP: jo. die leere haelfte vorsichtig nach hinten zu den Anschluessen druecken.
10:50 < th> ahh hab schon
10:51 < huebi> ich baue mal schnell mein bootpacket fuer euch zusammen...
10:51 < th> danke.
10:51 < th> schiebstes dann irgendwo hin?
10:51 < th> ich muss ersma noch zu ner uebung
10:52 < huebi> th: jo, viel Spass
10:53 < fake> esden: nevermind, its ok.
10:53 < th> 10:53:07.581640 0.0.0.0.68 > 255.255.255.255.67: xid:0xd7b18d02 [|bootp]
10:53 < th> 10:53:07.582027 192.168.1.138.67 > 192.168.1.77.68: xid:0xd7b18d02 Y:192.168.1.77 S:192.168.1.138 [|bootp]
10:53 < th> 77 is die js
10:53 < th> 138 der bootp server
10:53 < huebi>  /tftpboot mit funktionierendem kernel landed gerade in meinem ~ auf world.
10:54 < esden> fake: I do not know what your problem is ... but you have one ... and it is a big one ...
10:54 * th muss wirklich los
10:54 < huebi> th: ich kopiere es nach /tmp
10:55 < fake> me? i'm just curious. after all it was no my idea.
10:57 < fake> hint: entitling people as an asshole might not help solve their problems.
10:57 < esden> fake: you wanted the box I wanted to help you get one ... and then you attak me that I did it ... how should I entitle you in such a situation ?
10:58 < huebi> fake, esden: Could you both be a little bit more polite? That would be very nice...
10:58 < fake> huebi: i try to be polite.
10:58 < SMP> *YES*!!
10:58 < esden> huebi: sorry ... 
10:58 < SMP> I removed the flash
10:59 < SMP> now it works
10:59 < huebi> Mathilda is watching...
10:59 < SMP> th: du musst das flash entfernen
10:59 < fake> esden: to be honest, i didn't like the fact that you brought this thing up on the list before asking me - but what the hell. i am only curious why you stopped your efforts in helping me when it cam to action. that's all.
10:59 < huebi> SMP: You can also set a jumper. I make a picture of it later
10:59 < SMP> huebi: it's descibed in the JS-HOWTO
11:00 < huebi> SMP: Jo. but it failed for me.
11:00 * fake smoking
11:00 < SMP> oh
11:00 < huebi> I did not understand it in the right way..
11:00 < huebi> brb..
11:02 < esden> fake: hmm ... I stopped because you took over to you creating the peypal account ... I have not thaught that you still need help ... schould I continue crying around on the list that people should send money on your account ? 
11:04 < [anders]> re
11:04 < [anders]> hmm.. 
11:05 < esden> fake: it was only a suggestion on the list ... I do not think that suggestions have to be discussed offlist first ... you could say from the beginning that this ps2 stuff is only a joke from you and then the story had an end ...
11:05 < esden> fake: don't you think ?
11:06 < esden> errrm that could be missunderstood ... 
11:06 < esden> I mean don't you think this way too ?
11:08 < huebi> [anders]: kool!  <- your bash?
11:09 < [anders]> huebi: err, what is?
11:10 < huebi> SMP: In the iX from 12/2001 was an article about Linux on Krups
11:10 < huebi> SMP: I scan it and send it to you.
11:10 < SMP> ok, PROLL coming up
11:11 < huebi> [anders]: I did not get &[a,o,u]uml; in the console but you and thats kool ;-)
11:12 < SMP> IT BOOOOOOOOOOOOTS
11:12 < [anders]> huebi: I am still having problems with it, but working on it.. :)
11:12 * SMP jumps around huebi ;)
11:13 < huebi> SMP: For the root fs you can use the 1.5.12 sparc64 packages. Userland is only 32bit and will work for Krups
11:14 < huebi> SMP: I don't know about the Xserver but I expect that it might not work (1.5.12)
11:16 < huebi> SMP: http://www.ultralinux.org/links.html <- The rootfs does not work. The rest I did not test.
11:19 < fake> esden: i was not talking about you begging for money that should be given to me, i was talking about yout following your own suggestions.
11:21 < fake> esden: but as i said, it was only a question. 
11:22 < fake> esden: i din't mean to upset you, but you didn't answer at all - what in tunr upset me.
11:23 < esden> fake: sorry ... I did not mean it ... I was deep in fixing some problems in alpha port ... that is why I oversaw your posting 
11:23 < esden> yes ... twice
11:24 < fake> esden: i would just have appreciated any answer to my mail / chris hamilton's mail.
11:26 < esden> I had nothing to say about it ... I probabbly had to answer that I think that is a good idea to create a paypal account ... but I did not ... sorry for that
11:26 < fake> esden: no problem
11:27 < fake> that was the answer i wanted to achieve with my initial question.
11:28 < esden> so you should have ask it directly ;-) in the form ... "Why have you not took a statement to the mails of chris and me about the paypal stuff?" or so
11:30 < fake> esden: the question was: why did you not say anything anymore
11:33 -!- WKaibigan [~Aloicious@ACB41A04.ipt.aol.com] has joined #rocklinux
11:34 < esden> hmm ... ok I thought that it was related with the irc not the mails
11:40 * huebi getting something to eat...
11:41 < blindcoder> aah damnit... I should have cleaned up my room instead of working on the build-cd... *argh* now it's too late >_<
12:08 < huebi> re
12:10 < huebi> [anders]: are you listening?
12:12 < th> re
12:13 < huebi> hi th 
12:13 < th> flash entfernen also
12:13 < th> also aufmachen
12:13 < huebi> th: jo
12:14 < huebi> oder jumpern oder ALT-h beim einschalten wenn _keine_ Konsole mit sun banner auftaucht.
12:15 < th> da kommt aber ne konsole
12:15 < th> und alt-h tut nichts.
12:15 < th> bzw. verhindert das booten
12:15 < esden> cu all
12:15 * th tries not to hurt his krups.
12:15 < huebi> th: alt h vrom Einschalten druecken.
12:16 < th> hab ich doch
12:16 < huebi> ok
12:16 < huebi> ALR-d
12:16 < huebi> ALT-d
12:16 < huebi> ?
12:16 < th> ATM the krups is open
12:17 < huebi> ok. den kleinen RAM Riegel ausbauen.
12:17 < th> genau dieses schmale ding
12:17 < huebi> jo
12:18 < th> hmm hier is der speaker... koennte den glatt mal versuchen abzuklemmen
12:18 < huebi> jo
12:18 < th> btw. no killerbug inside
12:19 < th> ;-(
12:19 < huebi> ;-)
12:19 < SMP> huebi: are rock-1.5 sparc pkgs available via ella?
12:19 < huebi> SMP: jo ;-)
12:19 < huebi> ssh root@rock
12:20 < huebi> but it is still building
12:20 < th> ok... booting
12:20 < SMP> 99 BogoMIPS SPARC Power
12:20 < huebi> less /rock-orig/build.out ;-)
12:20 < SMP> ;))
12:20 < huebi> SMP: Yes!
12:21 < SMP> Cpu0Bogo        : 591.46
12:21 < SMP> hmm
12:21 < SMP> this one has a litte more ;)
12:21 < huebi> a P100 should be much slower than the MicroSparcIIep 100MHz
12:22 < huebi> Detected 1526.552 MHz processor.
12:22 < huebi> Console: colour VGA+ 132x60
12:22 < huebi> Calibrating delay loop... 3047.42 BogoMIPS
12:23 < huebi> 2 of them...
12:23 * huebi wondering what a Power4 will say...
12:23 < SMP> hey, the Krups has _four_ times the BogoMIPS of my 486-33 ;>
12:24 < huebi> SMP: Yes, and thats why they are sooo koool ;-))
12:25 < th> ok ALT-d now shows some tests
12:25 < th> and it's trying tftp :-)
12:25 < huebi> th great! What firmware version do you have?
12:26 < th> grmpf
12:26 < huebi> th: look at world:/tmp/tftpboot.tar.bz2
12:26 < SMP> and at ella:~stefanp/root.tar.bz2 and dev.tar
12:27 < SMP> I'm also using:
12:27 < th> ella?
12:27 < SMP> th: rocklinux.dyndns.org
12:27 < th> ahh ok i remember
12:27 < SMP> sbin/init -> ../bin/bash
12:28 < th> /home/stefanp: Permission denied.
12:28 < huebi> use /var/tmp ;-)
12:29 < th> drwxrwxrwt    2 root     root         4096 Mar 15 12:29 vi.recover
12:29 < th> ;>
12:29 < SMP> fixed.
12:30 * SMP Build-Pkg'ing some packages on rock
12:30 < th> dev.tar gets smaller when bzipped?
12:30 < SMP> dunno
12:30 < SMP> I used scp -C ;)
12:30 < th> ok
12:31 < SMP> at first I thought I could use devfs, that's why dev/ is not included in root.tar.bz2
12:31 < th> ok. the krups does not boot with ppcbootloader i have in my /tftpboot dir ;)
12:31 -!- rxr_ [~rene@port-213-20-128-147.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux
12:32 < th> 1.3 Kb von ella
12:33 < huebi> th 1.3 kb/s ?
12:33 < th> ack
12:33 < th> proll.krups.ID15 is that the bootloader?
12:33 < huebi> th ACK
12:34 < huebi> average is 20 kBit/s
12:37 < th> HEY! THAT'S TUX
12:37 * th is thrilled.
12:37 < SMP> and even with a Sun!
12:37 < th> ack
12:38 < th> ok now i have to wait for root.tar.bz2 at 1.3Kb
12:38 < th> 12%
12:38 < th> ETA 50 minutes
12:38 < SMP> o/~ we have joy, we have fun, we have linux on our sun o/~
12:38 < SMP> th: uhm
12:38 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-170-33.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
12:38 < SMP> th: if I'd copy it to world - would that make it go faster?
12:38 < th> SMP: i think so
12:39 < th> huebi: seems to be silent now. must've been the speaker
12:39 < SMP> th: done. in ~stefanp again
12:41 < th> SMP: ok thanks.
12:41 < th> ETA is at 3 minutes now
12:41 * huebi on the phone
12:41 < SMP> took me 5 to get them from ella.. hmm
12:41 < fake> LOL @SMP's Song ;)
12:41 * fake wants a Krupss too
12:43 < th> krups tries to mount /tftpboot/192.168.1.77 does it succeed by symlinking? nfs does follow symlinks?
12:43 < th> lrwxrwxrwx   1 th       borg           17 Jun 26 12:28 192.168.100.11 -> /var/nfsroot/java
12:43 < holyolli> th: depends on your /etc/exports
12:43 < holyolli> (afaik)
12:43 < th> *confused*
12:43 < holyolli> hm
12:44 < holyolli> but "man exports" doesn't say anything useful for this =)
12:45 < huebi> fake: 85 EUR, 32MB RAM, 8MB Flash!, with keyboard, mouse and powersupply
12:45 < huebi> th: exportfs -v ?
12:45 < huebi> root@ella:~# cat /etc/exports 
12:45 < huebi> #/home/huebi/rock-orig 192.168.100.2(rw,no_root_squash)
12:45 < huebi> /home 192.168.100.0/24(rw,no_root_squash)
12:45 < huebi> /home/rock-orig 192.168.100.0/24(rw,no_root_squash)
12:45 < huebi> /var/nfsroot/java 192.168.100.11(rw,no_root_squash)
12:45 < huebi>  
12:46 < huebi> fake: You can also pay in mate ;-)))
12:47 < fake> and no Flatscreen? ;)
12:47 < th> harr harr
12:47 < SMP> Flat_what_?
12:47 < SMP> ;>
12:48 < huebi> fake: The flatscreen need about 10KW an is installed at "Platz der Republik, FFM" ;->>
12:49 < fake> SMP: A rather thin UI Elmenent, built with liquid crystal modifing the polarisation of light.
12:49 < huebi> fake: Krups should do, but not veryfied, 1280x1034
12:49 < th> Jun 26 12:48:16 delta mountd[102]: /opt/krups/rootfs has been mounted by 192.168.1.77 
12:50 < huebi> fake: Are you interested in the Krups?
12:50 < fake> huebi: yes
12:50 < th> no /etc i nrootfs
12:50 < huebi> Flatscreen size is about 4mx4m hehe.
12:50 < fake> huebi: i know ;P
12:50 < th> s,i n,in ,
12:51 < SMP> th: sbin/init -> ../bin/bash
12:51 < th> ahh ok
12:51 < fake> huebi: but i'll have to wait until friday (pay-day ;)
12:51 < SMP> th: I'm just packaging a minimal 1.5 for sparc..
12:52 * SMP going to build a kernel on the JS then :-O
12:52 < huebi> fake: Do you want to have it on friday?
12:53 < huebi> SMP: you can cross compile it on rock or fels
12:53 < huebi> th you, too
12:53 < SMP> yes I was thinking about that right now..
12:53 < fake> huebi: yes...
12:53 < SMP> what's fels?
12:53 < huebi> SMP: ULTRA 5, 640MB
12:54 < fake> SMP: upload it somwhere :D
12:54 < SMP> aiee
12:54 < SMP> huebi: do you have _any_ machine that's _not_ running a ROCK build? ;)
12:55 < fake> huebi should install mrtg... then you'd find out quickly ;)
12:55 < huebi> SMP: The Netra X1, 500MHz, not in the net atm,
12:55 < huebi> mom
12:56 < th> hmmm. how can i mount -o remount,rw / if i have no writable /etc/mtab??
12:56 < SMP> mount -n
12:56 < th> is there a mount option ignoring mtab?
12:56 < huebi> I stop the build on fels
12:56 < fake> -n
12:56 < th> ok thanks
12:56 < SMP> huebi: no no!
12:56 < huebi> why?
12:56 < th> manpages are great
12:56 < th> irc is faster ;)
12:56 < SMP> huebi: I'm fine with it ;)
12:57 < huebi> The builds are running with make -j8 so just use 'nice -n -19 make blahh'
12:59 < th> what's my root-device?
12:59 < SMP> /dev/nfs
12:59 < SMP> root@rock:/tmp/stefanp # du -sh tars/
12:59 < SMP> 47M     tars
12:59 < SMP> hmmm
12:59 < th> ls: nfs: No such file or directory
12:59 < [anders]> ~~~ testing things.. back later..
12:59 -!- [anders] [~guest@imhotep.hursley.ibm.com] has quit ("[x]chat")
13:00 < SMP> th: what are you trying to do?
13:00 < th> SMP: mount -n -o remount,rw /
13:00 < th> SMP: but without /etc/fstab unable to resolve /
13:00 < SMP> aahh
13:00 < huebi> fake: do you know nload? kool thing for instant traffic monitoring.
13:01 < SMP> th: *test*
13:01 < fake> huebi: nope...
13:02 < huebi> http://www.roland-riegel.de/nload/index_en.html
13:02 < th> i could just create a fstab on nfs-server but i still don't know the root's device
13:02 -!- term_emu [~pm@p50819BC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
13:02 < SMP> th: mount -n -o remount,rw opt/krups/rootfs /
13:03 < SMP> s,opt,/opt,
13:03 < term_emu> hi
13:03 < fake> nload is a console application
13:03 < fake> mrtg is a web application....
13:04 < SMP> huebi: how to cross-compile a sparc kernel in sparc64?
13:04 < SMP> huebi: I don't see a sparc32 tool
13:04 < huebi> privilege Separation works with  Kernel 2.2!
13:05 < SMP> huebi: and no sparc-gcc?
13:05 < fake> huebi: how ??
13:05 < SMP> oh btw.
13:05 * th slaps himself.
13:05 < SMP> shut down your sshd or enable privsep _right_ _now_
13:05 < SMP> _not_ tomorrw
13:05 < th> SMP: 192.168.1.138:/tftpboot/192.168.1.77 geht natuerlich
13:06 < SMP> ehg ja
13:06 < huebi> SMP: make ARCH=sparc menuconfig; make ARCH=sparc dep; make ARCH=sparc vmlinux; make ARCH=sparc modules.
13:06 < huebi> fake: sshd_config:
13:06 < huebi> Compression no
13:06 < huebi>  
13:06 < fake> o_O
13:06 < fake> okay.
13:06 < huebi> only compression does not work.
13:06 < fake> *testing*
13:08 < fake> SMP: btw... the ldconfig error yesterday and hours of printf() debugging showed it's a glibc bug >_<
13:08 < huebi> fake: also a patch is available from solar designer..
13:08 < fake> huebi: where ?! damn it, i was looking all over yesterday evening...
13:10 < fake> huebi: woo. now i shot it down again.
13:10 * fake back in 10 min
13:11 < huebi> patch is forwarded to the list
13:18 < huebi> SMP: The new OpenSSH will be installed this evening. It's installed on rock and fels ;-))
13:18 < huebi> But I must be at home to do that.
13:21 -!- term_emu is now known as term_aweh
13:22 < th> vllt sollte ich langsam mal was essen
13:22 < huebi> th jo
13:24 < th> genial. der gang zur kueche hat sich echt gelohnt.
13:24 < th> da stand ne ganze pfanne voll aufm herd
13:25 < fake> huebi: danke!!
13:25 < huebi> fake: byttoe
13:26 < fake> mmap(65536): Invalid argument
13:26 < fake> *douh*
13:26 < th> da wenn das mal nicht 2^16 is
13:27 < fake> th: hm, lass mich raten, du hasst bc gefragt XP
13:27 < th> fake: verdammt ;)
13:27 < fake> huebi: there still is no compression support, right?
13:27 < huebi> ahh, auf ella laeuft die Megasaugung. Die Teledummies haben die Leitung dicker gemacht ;-) 134 kBit/s
13:27 < huebi> fake: I don't know
13:28 < th> huebi: wie hast du sie denn dazu gekriegt?
13:28 < praenti> huebi: luft das iso von der 1.5.16? sprich bootfhig?
13:28 < huebi> th: Das haben die wohl von selber gemacht. sonst ging das naemlich nie so schnell.
13:29 < huebi> praenti: jo
13:29 < praenti> huebi: kannst mir auf der schnelle sagen, wo ich des runterladen kann? soll aber ne dicke anbindung sein
13:29 < fake> huebi: das kostet jetzt dafuer 200% mehr.
13:29 < th> praenti: mompl
13:29 < fake> du haettest innerhalb von 3 sekunden keundigen koennen.
13:30 < th> praenti: ich geb dir mal nen inoffiziellen link
13:30 < praenti> th: mach ;-)
13:32 < huebi> fake: *g*
13:32 < holyolli> bbl - viewing soccer... ;-)
13:32 < huebi> football holyolli 
13:32 < huebi> !!
13:32 < th> praenti: alles klar?
13:32 < holyolli> huebi: i thought football was this stuff from usa...?
13:33 < huebi> praenti: steht in meiner vorletzten mail an die Liste. Habe den Link schon wieder vergessen.
13:33 < praenti> th: merci
13:33 < huebi> holyolli: football is european for Fussball.
13:33 < huebi> soccer is for Cowboys
13:33 < th> huebi: unser hidden-https spart world's traffic
13:33 < th> praenti: you got 403.
13:33 < huebi> th ah ok ;-))
13:33 < SMP> fuck..
13:34 < th> praenti: i'll grant in a second
13:34 < SMP> ahh
13:34 < praenti> th: sag mir wennst soweit bist
13:34 < SMP> AAAARRRRGGGHHHHHHHHHHH
13:34 < th> praenti: retry
13:34 < th> SMP: sup?
13:34 < huebi> SMP: ? *augenbraueheb*
13:35 < SMP> my ssh session was lagging so much that I accidentially recalled a 'make mrprober' instead of the following 'make menuconfig' from the history
13:35 < SMP> so I'll have to re-create .config :-((
13:35 < huebi> oh shit!
13:36 < SMP> with a lag from hell
13:36 < blindcoder> ahh. hitting the wall with a bare fist is not good...
13:36 < th> praenti: still with me?
13:36 < blindcoder> hutr... bad...
13:37 < fake> huebi: the patch does not work...
13:37 < praenti> th: ok. ich seh was
13:37 < th> praenti: et voila 200
13:38 < th> praenti: dann bedien dich
13:38 < huebi> fake: hmm. writ your experiences to thelist, please.
13:38 < fake> SMP: ssh -C -c blowfish ?
13:39 < SMP> fake: big scp running
13:39 < praenti> th: thx
13:39 < huebi> fake: Does 'Compression no' work?
13:39 < fake>  SMP. oh.
13:39 < fake> huebi: yes - with and without the patch.
13:39 < huebi> ok
13:40 < huebi> fake: And please writ your experience to the list to avoid others testing it for nothing.
13:41 < fake> haaaai.
13:41 < huebi> ;-)))
13:42 < huebi> th: Did the noise of Krups came from the speaker? I never heared sth because my room is too load.
13:43 < huebi> btw. if there is no keyboard attached to Krups it'll boot with a console on the serial port. ;-) 
13:43 < huebi> brb
13:44 < th> 12:39:15 < th> huebi: seems to be silent now. must've been the speaker
13:44 < th> huebi: as i said
13:46 < SMP> The IPX protocol (CONFIG_IPX) [M/n/y/?] n
13:46 < SMP> Appletalk protocol support (CONFIG_ATALK) [M/n/y/?] n
13:46 < SMP> DECnet Support (CONFIG_DECNET) [M/n/y/?] n
13:46 < SMP> sheesh
13:46 < SMP> sparc has funny defaults
13:46 < fake> AppleTalk o_O ? on sparc??
13:46 < fake> *headshaking*
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13:50 < esden> re hi all
13:51 < fake> re.
13:52 < th> SMP: wodurch ist / rw gemounted?
13:52 < SMP> mount -n -o remount,rw $nfsserver:$nfspath /
13:53 < th> SMP: das ist schon klar. aber wer tut das?
13:53 < th> SMP: die bash ja nicht von alleine
13:53 < SMP> ehm
13:53 < th> SMP: ich dachte ro waere erstmal der standard
13:53 < SMP> du hast da ein redhat 5.2
13:53 < SMP> mit ner bash 1.x
13:53 < SMP> das ist nicht ernst gemeint ;>
13:54 < th> *schauder*
13:54 < SMP> in ein paar minuten sind die rock-1.5 packages bei mir 
13:54 * fake updating Apache - wenn ich schonmal dabei bin
13:54 < fake> th: initrd?
13:54 < SMP> dann koennen wir richtige root-trees entpacken
13:54 < fake> nein
13:54 < th> fake: init=bash
13:54 < fake> oh.
13:54 < fake> th: nagic!
13:54 < fake> magic.
13:55 < SMP> th: you can always write an /etc/inittab and some init scripts ;)
13:55 < SMP> or just wait a few minutes ..
13:55 < th> SMP: /sbin/init links to /etc/rc.d/init which just execs bash ;)
13:55 < huebi> re
13:55 < th> proll.krups.ID15 seems to mount nfsroot rw
13:55 < th> 13:44:27 < th> 12:39:15 < th> huebi: seems to be silent now. must've been the speaker
13:55 < th> 13:44:41 < th> huebi: as i said
13:55 < SMP> no, the kernel does it
13:56 < th> SMP: is it possible to append read-only?
13:56 < SMP> read-write you mean
13:56 < th> no
13:57 < th> i want / to be ro
13:57 < SMP> aah
13:57 < th> until some init scripts do remount,rw
13:57 < SMP> in /etc/fstab
13:57 < th> who reads /etc/fstab?
13:57 < th> /bin/bash?
13:57 < th> ;)
13:57 < SMP> the init scripts
13:57 < th> init=bash
13:58 < th> and / is mounted rw
13:58 < fake> ln -s /etc/inittab /bin/bash
13:58 < SMP> is it?
13:58 < th> fake: NO
13:58 < fake> ;-)
13:58 < th> SMP: yes it is
13:59 < th> SMP: NO
13:59 < SMP> well then you might just need to pass ro to the kernel :>
13:59 < SMP> *duck*
13:59 < th> SMP: sorry
13:59 < th> SMP: my question was how to do that ;)
13:59 < SMP> RTFM on proll
13:59 < th> SMP: but anyways it was just mtab telling / would br rw
14:00 < th> SMP: where is the fm on proll?
14:00 < SMP> or try to get a prom prompt
14:00 < SMP> in the proll sources, I suppose
14:00 < th> i don't know which key L1 is
14:00 < huebi> th minicom ALT-f
14:00 < SMP> the one without a sign one it
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14:01 < th> SMP: i tried all 3 keys without a sign.
14:01 < SMP> but you have to set a jumper for that to worl
14:01 < SMP> work
14:01 < fake> huebi: will you send me the machine?
14:01 < huebi> near the speaker.
14:01 < fake> btw.
14:01 < huebi> one of the both in the middle
14:01 < huebi> fake: if you want it I can do so.
14:02 < th> SMP: ahh ok
14:02 < fake> huebi: send me a mail with you bank account info plz...
14:02 < fake> huebi: i'll then send you the money on friday
14:02 < huebi> fake: ok. later thiis evening
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14:05 < fake> thanks
14:08 < th> verdammt jetz is hier noch ein daemlicher kommunikation und netze uebungszettel zu erledigen
14:13 < fake> uebungszettel??
14:14 < th> jo
14:14 < th> so uni-maessig
14:14 < th> um nen schein zu kriegen
14:14 < th> um ein vordiplom zu kriegen
14:15 < th> um weiter studieren zu duerfen
14:15 < th> *brech*
14:15 < fake> axo. gammliger student ;-)
14:15 < SMP> um dann damit nichts anfangen zu koennen ;>
14:15 < huebi> SMP: Download is ready
14:15 < fake> um arbeitslos zu werden. ueberqualifiziert -> zu teuer.
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14:16 * fake malt den bsd.teufel an die wand
14:16 < snyke> ah des is gut
14:16 < SMP> yup
14:16 < snyke> *fakeknuddel*
14:16 < snyke> *freebsd-chuck-knuddel*
14:16 * fake kicks snyke
14:16 < huebi> jaja, dies sozialpaetagogen.... *g*
14:16 < snyke> :P
14:16 < fake> *tret
14:16 < snyke> seid froh das ich euch auf die nerven geh
14:17 < snyke> als FreeBSD user ;)
14:17 < snyke> das is eine Ehre!
14:17 < fake> ich bewef dich mit Umlauten bis du butest!
14:17 < snyke> phhh
14:17 < fake> s,bu,blu,
14:17 < snyke> ich dich mit wattebllchen
14:17 < snyke> da werst schaun
14:17 < fake> 
14:17 < fake> !
14:18 < th> 
14:18 < th> 
14:19 < snyke> sz sz sz :)
14:24 < esden> 
14:24 < esden> sind solche sachen auch ok ?
14:24 < snyke> \_/\_/
14:24 < snyke> denk scho
14:24 < snyke> so umgedrehte ausrufezeichen tun ganz schn weg
14:25 < snyke> g->h
14:26 < huebi>  ____________________ 
14:26 < huebi> < MuuuUUHHAAGRRROOLL >
14:26 < huebi>  -------------------- 
14:26 < huebi>         \   ^__^
14:26 < huebi>          \  (oo)\_______
14:26 < huebi>             (__)\       )\/\
14:26 < huebi>                 ||----w |
14:26 < holyolli> *rotfl*
14:26 < huebi>                 ||     ||
14:26 < huebi>  
14:27 < SMP> FUCK IT
14:27 < th> SMP: die mathilda?
14:28 < SMP> I don't want to recompile the whole kernel just to switch from CONFIG_IP_PNP_DHCP to CONFIG_IP_PNP_BOOTP
14:29 < huebi> SMP: Just don't 'make clean'
14:29 < SMP> I didn't!
14:29 < huebi> change your config and just recompile. It should do very fast.
14:30 < SMP> probably I fucked up in an advanced way ;>
14:30 < huebi> make config; make dep; make vmlinux
14:30 < snyke> <-- is a happy penguin
14:30 < snyke> :)
14:38 < fake> SMP: mak mrsmp
14:38 < fake> ;-)
14:46 < esden> huebi: I added the 30 different alpha processors to 1.5 configuration
14:50 < huebi> esden: thank you
14:51 < esden> huebi: de nada ;-)
14:51 < blindcoder> huebi: I think I'm finished with the build-cd already... lost track of time during doing so >_<
14:52 < blindcoder> http://www.crash-override.net/rocklinux/becd.tar.bz2 
14:52 < blindcoder> the tarball includes Documentaion/Build-Environment as well as subdists/build-cd
14:52 < huebi> blindcoder: *click*
14:53 < esden> huebi: what is now our strategy ... make the tree up to date so that when you co it it works without running Puzzlu before ... or do we remove everything created by Puzzle so that Puzzlu must be run so that anything works ?
14:54 < huebi> blindcoder: I got it. later more
14:54 < blindcoder> esden: I might need your help on friday
14:54 < esden> blindcoder: ?
14:54 < blindcoder> huebi: okay
14:54 < blindcoder> esden: my parents want me to move most of the hardwaer and telephonesystem down into the "keller"
14:55 < blindcoder> if 3027 can come up with Patchcable and RJ45's then it will be done this weekend
14:55 < esden> celler ... ok ... so you get your server room ?
14:55 < blindcoder> YES!
14:55 < esden> cool !!!
14:55 < huebi> esden: I want to have it all ready to go, I mean error proof. So to update the indexfiles would be a good idea.
14:56 < esden> I think that we will meet there then ... and not in bitz anymore ;-)
14:56 < huebi> blindcoder: kool. I want that, too. But that has to be organised well.
14:56 < esden> @ blindcoder 
14:56 < fake> esden: when will you update ssh on apollo?
14:56 < blindcoder> But about 20m cable has to be put inton place and another 20m of cable have to be replaced
14:56 < esden> fake: now ?
14:56 < esden> ;-)
14:56 < fake> i mean: when today will you update ssh on apollo? ;-)
14:57 < blindcoder> huebi: that's why esden and 3027 (friend of us) has to be with me then
14:57 < esden> fake: is that ok ?
14:57 < esden> to update it now ?
14:57 < esden> blindcoder: are you ok with it too ?
14:57 < fake> esden: are you @bitz?
14:57 < blindcoder> esden: go ahead
14:58 < esden> fake: nope
14:58 < fake> fake: let me do it
14:58 * -> esden uni
14:58 < fake> err. esden: let me do it
14:58 < esden> fake: ???
14:58 < esden> ok ...
14:58 < snyke> lol
14:58 < fake> esden: i've already done it on 5 machines here
14:58 < snyke> hm
14:58 < esden> fake: do it then please
14:58 < blindcoder> esden/fake: do it and mess itnup!! then I have an excuse to escape from my gradnmother's birthday today >_<
14:59 < snyke> esden: will you go to bitz today? :)
14:59 < esden> blindcoder: coool ;-)
14:59 < fake> esden: i can't guarantee that it will work from remote ...
14:59 < fake> i'll try.
14:59 < esden> fake: /me panic !!!
14:59 < fake> if you all get kicked you know what that means ;-))
14:59 < esden> kk
15:00 < esden> fake: are you bitz ? o_O
15:00 < fake> esden: 3 out of 5 worked perfectly.
15:00 < huebi> fake: no serial console, no backupo line *g*
15:00 < esden> na ... then you would not ask ...
15:00 < fake> esden: are you hallucinating?
15:00 * -> esden stupid
15:00 * fake wanders off screwing everything up.
15:00 < esden> fake: yes ... I got not too much sleep tonight
15:00 < snyke> ...
15:01 < esden> huebi: but if we want all functional then we need the crappy files in the ext-config too ...
15:01 < fake> aw- just a sec.
15:02 < esden> huebi: that are generated by Puzzle
15:04 < huebi> esden: Ok. if something changes _all_ Indexfiles have to be recreated.
15:05 < snyke> hm
15:05 < snyke> esden?
15:05 < esden> huebi: so I would say I make a Puzzle and add all files that are not yet in the tree ... is that ok ?
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15:06 < huebi> esden: No. then you would add about 500 files *g*
15:06 < esden> urgh
15:06 < esden> that is good that I asked
15:06 < snyke> ...
15:06 < esden> yes snyke ?
15:06 < snyke> ahhh
15:07 < snyke> took much time!
15:07 < huebi> If the download works fine it's ok.
15:07 < snyke> will you go to bitz today? (punishmeforthatsentence)
15:07 < esden> good then @ huebi  I will update only the INDEX files
15:07 < huebi> Puzzle can then by called e.g. by ./scripts/Config.
15:07 < esden> hmm ...
15:08 < esden> urgh .. huebi nooo
15:08 < huebi> ok
15:08 < esden> that takes ages on slower machines
15:08 < esden> my alpha needs already half a minute to run Puzzle
15:08 < blindcoder> a*urks* they're here >_<
15:08 < blindcoder> see you l8ter
15:08 < esden> cu l8ter blindcoder 
15:09 < esden> snyke: dunno .. I do not think sa
15:09 < esden> o
15:09 < esden> but I am not sure
15:09 < huebi> Then my next idea is to make a README.FIRST.OR.WONT.HAVE.FUN
15:09 < snyke> esden: "Technikertreffen" ...
15:09 < huebi> +.YOU
15:11 < esden> snyke: na und was will ich da ?
15:11 < snyke> weis ich doch ned *g*
15:11 < esden> siehst du ?
15:11 < esden> ;-)
15:11 < esden> huebi: that is needed too
15:11 < snyke> ;)
15:12 < snyke> wann hast du mal zeit wegen jolt und so? :)
15:13 < huebi> esden: I think Pjotr's Howto would be good if shorted down to the basics for this README.FIRST.OR.YOU.WONT.HAVE.FUN
15:14 < esden> nicht so schnell ich habe bald pruefungen
15:14 < esden> @ snyke
15:14 < snyke> hmmm
15:14 < snyke> ok
15:14 < snyke> me too
15:15 < esden> huebi: yes that is ok ... pjotrs Howto should be called .. README.AND.YOU.WILL.HAVE.MORE.FUN ;-{
15:15 < esden> ;-)
15:16 < huebi> ACK!!
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15:19 < mike1> re
15:21 < esden> re mike1 
15:24 < huebi> ello mike1 
15:24 < huebi> ;-)
15:25 < mike1> Brazil gewonnen
15:25 < holyolli> jepp...
15:25 < huebi> jo, I just read it. Nice
15:25 < holyolli> but I really think that they'll play samba with the Germans on Sunday...
15:26 < esden> glibc says: checking installed Linux kernel header files... TOO OLD!
15:26 < esden> why ??
15:27 * mike1 thinks Deutschland will win
15:27 < esden> holyolli: do you know this error ?
15:27 < huebi> kernel 0.92 IS too old!
15:27 < huebi> *eg*
15:27 < esden> huebi: lol
15:27 < holyolli> esden: not yet
15:27 < mike1> esden: what kernel version ur running?
15:27 < mike1> esden: i've never seen that before
15:27 < esden> root@natalie:/usr/local/data# uname -a
15:27 < esden> Linux natalie 2.4.18-rc4 #4 Fri Jun 21 19:11:25 CEST 2002 alpha unknown
15:27 < esden> root@natalie:/usr/local/data#
15:28 < esden> the headers are the right too
15:28 < mike1> mmm
15:28 < esden> hmm ... it could also be a problem in linux-src pkg ... >_<
15:28 < huebi> esden make symbols ?
15:28 < esden> ???
15:29 < mike1> it certainly is weird as i said before i havent seen that error message before
15:29 < huebi> cd cd /usr/src/linux
15:29 < huebi> make symbols
15:29 < esden> kk @ huebi 
15:29 < huebi> esden: have a look at it in the makefile
15:29 < SMP> daadaaaa
15:29 < SMP> Linux charlotte 2.4.18 #3 Wed Jun 26 14:57:52 MEST 2002 sparc unknown
15:30 < SMP> cpu             : Fujitsu  MB86904
15:30 < SMP> type            : sun4m
15:30 < SMP> BogoMips        : 99.53
15:30 < huebi> SMP: Congratulations ;-)))))))
15:30 < SMP> ssh'd into it
15:31 < th> SMP: terrific
15:32 < th> SMP: kernel and base-pkgs available for download?
15:32 < SMP> I'm tar'ing it up
15:36 < holyolli> cya l8ter
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15:37 < huebi> SMP: could you please put a copy in my ~ on world, too
15:37 < huebi> ?
15:37 < SMP> jo..
15:38 < SMP> still building modules..
15:38 < SMP> ( for ppp support, so you dial out with the serial port ;) )
15:39 < SMP> s,you,you can,
15:39 < huebi> SMP: With the JavaOS it's possible out of the box.
15:39 < SMP> yeah, I've seen it
15:40 < huebi> but don't plug in the network therefore.
15:40 < SMP> would be nice to have a linux micro-root in flash
15:40 < huebi> SMP: ACK
15:40 < huebi> And there are tools for that avaliable ;-))
15:41 < SMP> but if that'd work right now .. what fun would it be? ;>
15:41 < SMP> I mean - if things don't need hacking
15:42 < huebi> SMP: Many things are still untested. Like XFree86 4.2.0 on Krups.
15:43 < fake> esden: done.
15:44 < SMP> aaarghhh
15:44 < fake> esden, blindcoder: please consider reconnecting now.
15:45 < huebi> in about 17 min I have to leave towards: 816'50"E, 4958'39" ;-)
15:45 < fake>  /bin/echelon/adjust "816'50"E, 4958'39"
15:45 < huebi> IBM Deutschland GmbH, Totalstorage Interoperability Center
15:46 < huebi> The harddisk factory in Mainz.
15:46 < fake> echelon: "IBM Deutschland GmbH, Totalstorage Interoperability Center"
15:46 < fake> he! mein echelon is gut.
15:46 < huebi> fake *LOL*
15:46 < huebi> fake: which gate?
15:46 < fake> huebi: are you gonna rip some defect hds? ;-)
15:47 < fake> huebi: err.... segfault ?
15:49 < huebi> No, just visiting the factory and getting very good and I hope very internal informations.
15:49 < huebi> with about 13 friends from this area here
15:52 < esden> fake: me still here
15:52 < esden> ;-)
15:52 < huebi> btw I exchanged 2 IBM SCA 10Krpms 18GB last evening with 2 of hitachi
15:52 < fake> esden: please reconnect. it's updated.
15:52 < esden> ahh kk
15:53 < esden> re
15:53 < fake> and then i need your help
15:53 < esden> mine ?
15:53 < fake> yes.
15:53 < esden> shoot fake 
15:53 < fake> yeah, shoot me! C'MON!
15:53 < esden> i mean shoot me ;-)
15:53 < fake> oh.
15:54 * fake 'll have a cigarette first.
15:54 < esden> kk 
15:54 < fake> esden: about apache/php XD
15:54 * -> esden testing the changes in lx_conf he made
15:54 < esden> fake: I will try to do my best
15:55 < esden> huebi: what does "Devlevel Error (2):" followed by tons of files mean ?
15:56 < huebi> esden: I never had that ;(
15:57 < esden> hmm
15:57 < esden> huebi: the headers of the kernel are ok now .. make symlinks helped
15:58 < huebi> *freu*
15:58 < esden> natalie is now compiling glibc ...
15:59 < mike1> go natalie go ;-)
16:00 < huebi> cu latoer. Festplatte ansehen....
16:02 < esden> mike1: ;-)
16:06 * mike1 away for breakfast
16:07 < esden> bon appetit @ mike1 
16:18 < esden> huebi: ???
16:26 < mike1> esden: 
16:26 < mike1> <huebi> cu latoer. Festplatte ansehen....
16:33 < esden> mike1: I know ... but I would like to ci in the cvs ... but I do not know what conventions are valid there ... 
16:33 < esden> I do not want to provide chaos
16:36 < th> esden: what question?
16:37 < fake> esden?
16:38 < esden> should I commit the stuff I have done in small bit's with comment's on this bit ? or everything in one big chunk with description in one peace ?
16:38 < esden> fake: yes ? 
16:38 < esden> fake: could I go smoke one ?
16:38 < fake> esden: following situation. compiling apache 1.3.26.
16:38 < fake> compiling php 4.2.1 s DSO module
16:39 < fake> installing, setting up, modding httpd.conf.
16:39 < fake> test: opening http://foo/test.php in browser. works.
16:39 < fake> opening http://foo/bar/index.php -> works.
16:39 < fake> opening http://foo/bazco/ -> works
16:40 < fake> opening http://foo/bar/ -> MimeType = application/x-httpd-php (mozilla wants to save it)
16:40 < esden> hmm ... 
16:40 < fake> and is _did_ set DirectoryIndex correctly.
16:40 < fake> s,is,I,
16:42 < esden> hmm ... I had not such a problem till now ...
16:42 < esden> *think*
16:42 < esden> you have set AddType application/x-httpd-php .php correctly ?
16:44 < mike1> fake: did you try apache 2.0?
16:45 < esden> I run 2.0 at home @ mike1 
16:45 < mike1> nice esden :)
16:45 < fake> hm... LAG...
16:45 < mike1> esden: in your personal opinion should be used for production by now?
16:45 < fake> esden: of course i did.
16:46 < blindcoder> rehi
16:46 < mike1> re blindcoder
16:46 < fake> re. blindcoder: did you reconnect (ssh) already?
16:46 < blindcoder> fake: just now, I'm @bitz now
16:46 < blindcoder> fake: you know that telekom disconnects me every few minutes
16:46 < fake> good. there just was a nasty lag and a loop (alter net fft3 - > voyager -> fft3 -> voyager...)
16:47 < fake> blindcoder: from bitz?
16:47 < blindcoder> fake: yes
16:47 < fake> ah. that DSL-thingy
16:48 < blindcoder> yes... that "thingy"
16:48 < esden> hmm ... 
16:48 < blindcoder> I think they disconnect edonkey-users
16:48 < th> esden: both ways are ok. but would be good if you do not break anything with a ci
16:49 < esden> th: sure ... I always trying not to ... I had no problems with it till now ... 
16:49 < fake> blindcoder: really? i'll have a look at my logfile
16:49 < esden> mike1: I have no problems with this server
16:49 < esden> fake: ... I really do not have a clue how I could help you ...
16:49 < fake> esden: i guess you have no idea, too?
16:50 < fake> i c.
16:50 < blindcoder> fake: yes, because the connection was fine. but it didn't take 5 minutes after starting mldonkey that I got kicked
16:50 < esden> fake: It is a really strange problem
16:50 < fake> blindcoder: mldonkey and pppoed running on the same host?
16:50 < blindcoder> yes
16:50 < fake> *ugh*
16:50 < esden> the mime types are being menaged in a strange way if I see it correctly
16:51 < blindcoder> fake: I know that my network is f**ked
16:51 * -> esden needs nicotine ....
16:51 < blindcoder> fake: I tried changing the port (4662) to somethin completely different (49153) but that didn't do any good >_<
16:51 < mike1> esden: i have been away from 1.7 sources for a while (again) is there a "Creat-CD" script by now?
16:52 < fake> esden: i'd say it converts / -> lookup -> index.php -> oh, add mime type application-xhttpd-php -> (no parsing here) -> output
16:52 < esden> mike1: no ... there are no installdisks ... so no need for the create-cd script
16:52 < fake> blindcoder: you could IPSec the traffic
16:52 < esden> hmm seems so @ fake 
16:52 < fake> oder SSH-PtP
16:53 < blindcoder> hmm.. I've never done either one of them... but even if I did, what good would that do?
16:54 < fake> blidcoder: Auntie T couldn't tell what your traffic is all about
16:55 < fake> because they'd only get encrypted pkgs.
16:55 < blindcoder> fake: the internal, yes. but it would still be accessible the "normal" way from the outside, say telnet scavenger.homeip.net:4662
16:55 < fake> blindcoder: no.
16:55 < blindcoder> no?
16:56 < fake> [scavenger]=====(--evilT--)==={trusted_host}mldonkey<----
16:56 < mike1> fake nice
16:57 < blindcoder> hmm... you have a HowTo or similar available? I don't get it right now... at least not how it has to be done...
16:57 < blindcoder> do I have to create a ssh-tunnel to EVERY donkey-server out there?
16:57 < blindcoder> ~10k in my list?
16:57 < fake> blindcoder watch out for a pic at www.freeswan.org
16:57 < fake> blindocer.no.
16:57 < fake> mom.
16:57 < fake> [scavenger]=====(--evilT--)==={trusted_host}YOURmldonkey-PORT<----
16:58 < fake> so trustedhost:YOURMLDONKEYPORT would go to your machine (forwarded,say) 
16:58 < blindcoder> yes...
16:58 < fake> it's like: you wire a direct cable from one machine to another.
16:58 < fake> you run the mldonkey machine on the inner one and simply pipe everything through the oter one.
16:59 < blindcoder> mom... I just don't get it... evilT has nothin to do with my network...
16:59 < fake> whatever is between this inner and outer machine (Telekom) has no idea what you are talking about.
16:59 < blindcoder> please explain for the most stupid one you can imagine
17:00 < blindcoder> then the pther one would have to open the tunnel, or what?
17:00 < blindcoder> I'm plain stupid, you know...
17:00 < fake> [Scav] -- [DSLModem] ===={T}====(ARPA)=====[your_beloved_machine] --- ?
17:00 < blindcoder> yes
17:00 < fake> left end ---------------------------------------- right end
17:00 < fake>               ^---- tunel
17:00 < blindcoder> okay
17:00 < fake>                                                                              <<<---- mldonkey packets
17:01 < fake>                                            <<<<-- =)(/%DHLNXF
17:01 < fake>      <<<----------- still 4398salasmfb,"Z%)S
17:01 < fake> <<----- mldonkey packet
17:01 < blindcoder> yes i see what it does
17:01 < fake> -->> answer
17:01 < fake> and so forth
17:01 < blindcoder> so the tunnel has to be created to EVERY other machine I connect to
17:02 < fake> *ARGHL*
17:02 * -> esden needs a progress indicator for glibc compile
17:02 < blindcoder> that means "no"
17:02 < fake> blindcoder: exactly. let's magnify the right end:
17:02 < fake>  
17:02 < fake>  
17:02 < fake>            [right end ]          ------- +   ------------somehost
17:02 < fake>                                    |  
17:02 < blindcoder> just WHAT is the right end?
17:02 < blindcoder> the left one is MY MACHINE
17:03 < blindcoder> so the RIGHT ONE has to be some stupid guy I want to leech from
17:03 < fake> blindcoder: a host. on the internet. in a trusted network. simply ONE machine
17:03 < fake> NOOOOO >_>
17:03 < blindcoder> apollo?
17:03 < fake> for example!
17:03 < blindcoder> so apollo then connects to the poor guys and forwards the files to me
17:04 < fake> blindcoder: the packets, if you want tp
17:04 < fake> even
17:04 < blindcoder> I only connect to apollo and apollo to the rest of the donkeys
17:04 < fake> yes!
17:04 < blindcoder> okay... now i got it...
17:05 < fake> so becuase auntie T can only listen between you and apollo - you're out!
17:06 < fake> they can however mesaure the amount/size of packages etc.
17:06 < blindcoder> sure
17:09 < fake> esden: it works in IE (*urk*) and w3m. i'll bug mozilla.
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17:10 < tomik> hi 
17:11 < esden> fake: then it is a mozilla problem not of your apach/php setup ... I suppose
17:11 < esden> hi tomik 
17:11 < fake> it's strange anyways----
17:11 * -> esden committed the alpha stuff to the cvs
17:12 < esden> fake: that for sure !
17:12 * blindcoder is going to play bzflag on his nfs-workstation ;)
17:12 < esden> ahh glibc is now generating the localisations ... good
17:13 < esden> ahh it is now installing ... good !!
17:15 < mike1> esden: are you and praenti still planning to come over to CR?
17:16 < esden> mike1: no sorry
17:16 < mike1> esden: itz ok
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17:18 < esden> hi Freak 
17:18 < esden> huh ?
17:18 < tomik> strange thing again... while booting rock on compaq deskpro 4000 (with ppro@200) system reboots after "blocks: 128 slots per queue, batch=32"
17:18 < tomik> what the <censored> is this?
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17:20 * -> esden no idea ... (kernel ?)
17:20 < tomik> probably... but kernel is large :)
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17:21 < esden> hi Freak 
17:21 < esden> tomik: that for sure ...
17:22 < Freak> huhu esden
17:22 < tomik> no way how to determine what's wrong...
17:22 < esden> tomik: read the f**** binary ;-)
17:23 < h0h0> RTFB
17:23 < esden> hi h0h0 ... long time no see !
17:23 < esden> or better read ;-)
17:23 < h0h0> been in south dakota for a while
17:24 < mike1> hello h0h0
17:24 < esden> h0h0: what were you doing in dakota ?
17:24 < h0h0> see the big rock with faces on it
17:24 < esden> h0h0: and ? 
17:25 < h0h0> drive around
17:26 < tomik> later... cu 
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17:26 < h0h0> anyone know how far the openssh vuln goes back?
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17:35 (Users #rocklinux)
17:35 [ aszlig    ] [ coldie] [ h0h0    ] [ praenti] [ SMP      ] 
17:35 [ Babyface  ] [ esden ] [ hackbard] [ rolla_ ] [ snyke    ] 
17:35 [ blindcoder] [ fake  ] [ huebi   ] [ rxr_   ] [ term_aweh] 
17:35 [ bluefire  ] [ Freak ] [ mike1   ] [ simon  ] [ th       ] 
17:35 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 20 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal]
17:41 < blindcoder> aah  I love bzflag :D
17:41 < snyke> hm
17:41 < snyke> can anybody tell me what max-nicklength is in OPN?
17:42 < snyke> grml *test*
17:42 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A6C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #rocklinux ()
17:42 * fake drives home
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17:43 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A6C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux
17:43 -!- th_ is now known as th________
17:43 < fake> hi th_:--
17:43 < fake> *G*
17:43 -!- th________ is now known as th______________
17:43 < bluefire> Moin
17:43 < snyke> 16
17:43 < snyke> *counts*
17:43 < snyke> [17:47] *** snyke is now known as maxlicknetestbec
17:43 < fake> th______________ : shift it a bit.. _________th_________
17:44 < snyke> lol
17:44 < fake> 16
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17:45 < fake> hehe.
17:45 < fake> cya later.
17:45 < snyke> ok thx
17:45 < snyke> max bans? *g*
17:46 < snyke> ah i leave default
17:46 < snyke> h
17:46 < snyke> let
17:46 < th> snyke: we could test the maximum kick-message if you want
17:46 < snyke> ah no... thats ok :)
17:47 < snyke> don't want to know soooo much details :)
17:47 < th> ;>
17:47 < th> any latex gurus in here?
17:48 < snyke> hm
17:48 < snyke> allowing e/I modes?
17:48 < snyke> does.
17:54 < esden> perfect glibc compiled through
17:55 < mike1> esden: great, congratz to natalie ;)
17:55 < esden> hehe ;-)
17:55 < esden> sche is very happy that she could swollow such a big packet ;-)
17:57 < praenti> esden: wo liegt die gentoo cd?
17:58 < esden> hmm ... bist im bitz ?
17:58 < praenti> jepp
17:58 < praenti> aber net lang
17:58 < esden> sie sollte neben dem radio liegen
17:59 < praenti> wo neben dem radio? in den fchern?
17:59 < esden> nee ich habe die auf dem tisch leigen lassen wenn ich mich recht entsinne
18:00 < esden> aber vielleicht hat es jemand verlegt
18:00 < esden> die war nicht beschriftet
18:00 < esden> natalie needed 2 hours for glibc ...
18:00 < esden> ok ... I will go home
18:00 < esden> cu all
18:02 < praenti> die is net da
18:02 < praenti> ;-(
18:02 * praenti else goes home
18:02 < praenti> cya
18:02 < snyke> yeah
18:02 < snyke> works
18:02 < snyke> *jump*
18:09 < rolla_> help . My compile is jsut sending chroot: cannot execute bin/sh: No such file or directory
18:09 < rolla_> chroot: cannot execute bin/sh: No such file or directory
18:09 < rolla_> chroot: cannot execute bin/sh: No such file or directory
18:09 < rolla_> chroot: cannot execute bin/sh: No such file or directory
18:09 < rolla_> chroot: cannot execute bin/sh: No such file or directory
18:09 < rolla_> chroot: cannot execute bin/sh: No such file or directory
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18:16 < fake> rolla: try doing it manually
18:16 < fake> cd build/*/root
18:16 < fake> chroot .
18:16 < rolla> okay I will 
18:17 < rolla> oh great another openssh hole :(
18:18 < fake> if ((strncmp(name, "lib", 3) == 0 || strncmp(name, "ld-", 3) == 0) && name[strlen(name)-1] != '~' && (cp = strstr(name, ".so")))
18:18 < fake> this is where ldconfig crashes. yoohoo.
18:19 < fake> sounds like glibc.
18:19 < rolla> :)
18:19 < rolla> I have updated the snapshot and started the build over again :)
18:23 < fake> *uargh* this sucks.
18:24 < fake> they do strncmp(name, "lib", 3); and expect it to be zero... for lib at the start of the string.
18:24 < fake> there _is_ lib at the start of the string - strncmp returns -62... -56... -5 ....
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18:35 < fake> btw - why don't we use the ldconfig from glibc?
18:35 < fake> that seems to work...
18:38 < fake> hehe. google search: Krupps + sun + linux first three hits? rock ;-)
18:38 < th> nice
18:38 < th> SMP: noch da?
18:44 < SMP> I fell asleep
18:44 < th> oups
18:44 < th> as i did some hours ago
18:46 < th> SMP: anything new about base-pkgs?
18:47 < SMP> I need to: install kernel-headers, modules and kernel.conf
18:47 < SMP> remember what stuff I wanted to write into the TODO
18:48 < th> SMP: but the base-pkgs are ready? i would like to have ssh and stuff
18:48 < th> SMP: gettys init
18:48 < SMP> yeah, that works prolly fine
18:49 < th> great. could you put either a new rootfs somewhere or the basepkgs?
18:49 < SMP> yes, when I'm done with -see above- ;)
18:49 < th> hmpf - ok.
18:49 < SMP> 10 Minutes
18:50 < th> well - ok ;) great
19:07 < mike1> huebi: you here?
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19:18 < the][owl> hi
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19:23 < SMP> *huh*
19:23 < th> ack
19:24 < SMP> I installed 47MBytes of tar.bz2 packages, tar them up all together and get one 202MBytes tar.bz2
19:25 < SMP> ah
19:25 < SMP> root.tar.bz2: GNU tar archive
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19:36 < SMP> ok..
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19:38 < SMP> th: world:~stefanp/root.tar.bz2 
19:39 < SMP> huebi: world:~stefanp/root.tar.bz2 
19:41 < blindcoder> re hi
19:42 < fake> blindcoder: re.
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19:45 < owl> re
19:47 < blindcoder> hmm the Build-CD still doesn't work >_<
19:47 < blindcoder> the terminfo-link isn't there >_<
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19:58 < th> SMP: thanks i'm on it
20:00 -!- SMP changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux / http://www.rocklinux.org/
20:09 < fake> du bist schizophren, du bist krank im kopf und ich kann es sehn..
20:09 < owl> yeah!
20:10 * owl is krank im kopf!
20:14 < rolla> at what stage does the build do a chroot ?
20:15 < fake> rolla: 2
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20:16 < rolla> thanks
20:18 < fake> SMP: al gdb:  GDB is unable to find the start of the function at 0x4201c4.
20:18 < SMP> hm?
20:19 < fake> weil du gestern meintest ich soll mit gdb debuggen.
20:19 < fake> wenn strncmp oder memcmp segfaulted dann heisst das glibc, hm?
20:20 < SMP> ah, ja
20:21 * fake checkt mal ob der code ueberhaupt auf ia32 funzt >_<
20:30 < esden> re hi all
20:31 * SMP -> bed
20:31 < esden> n8 SMP 
20:32 < rolla> I just enterd stage 2 of the compile and not it says that I do not have gcc3 
20:33 < fake> *LOL*
20:33 < fake> Speicherzugriffsfehler
20:33 < fake> on intel too.... *LOL*
20:33 < rolla> not funny :(
20:33 < rolla> ./scripts/Build-Pkg: c++: command not found
20:33 < rolla> WARNING: No gcc3 (CXX) found! So no special optimisation is used.
20:33 < rolla> Reading package configuration from pkg dir.
20:33 < rolla> Preparing build in /R.work/src.binutils.1025098722.29446.1038958218
20:33 < rolla> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/2-binutils.out
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20:39 < snyke> re
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20:44 < tsa> tag
20:48 < snyke> servus
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20:52 < fake> hm... can _anybody_ tell me why we don't use the ldconfig provided by glibc?
20:52 < fake> that one _works_
20:58 < fake> except it's /usr/sbin not /sbin
20:58 < fake> but what do I care
21:08 < tsa> GRRRR!
21:08 < tsa> damn openssh.
21:08 < rolla> ja
21:09 * tsa just killed the sshd on a RH box.
21:09 < tsa> rpm sucks.
21:09 < tsa> no problems at all upgrading to 3.4p1 on rock.
21:12 < fake> tsa: now GUESS how much fun i had at work - SuSE 6.4
21:13 < snyke> hm
21:16 < esden> argh ... fsck autoconf.h ... I hope that it is not working only because of my stupidity  ... otherwise I will have to start hate the linux-kernel >_<
21:25 < tsa> fake: RH 6.2 - updated and updated and updated and ...
21:33 < WKaibigan2> What would cause sshd to reject passwords after updated to 3.4? Any ideas?
21:33 < h0h0> if you changed your /etc/ssh/sshd_config
21:33 < tsa> did you create the chroot environment?
21:34 < WKaibigan2> It did start using the config file that came with the new version. No chrooting done.
21:35 < tsa> create the chroot, then.
21:36 < WKaibigan2> SOrry I don't understand what I would have to do. New to all this.
21:37 < tsa> erm...
21:37 < tsa> README.privsep
21:38 < WKaibigan2> Ok cheers
21:38 < fake> kampai!
21:40 < WKaibigan2> Is there anywhere in the UK where I can get the Rock CDs
21:42 < tsa> ftp://194.47.210.193/
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21:45 < WKaibigan2> Too big for a 56K modem user.
21:49 < tsa> hm..
21:50 -!- [anders] [~guest@62.3.122.161] has joined #rocklinux
21:50 < [anders]> ooookay... openssh 3.4p1 being built and installed now..
21:51 < tsa> Connected to 0.
21:51 < tsa> Escape character is '^]'.
21:51 < tsa> SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_3.4p1
21:51 < tsa> ;-)
21:51 < [anders]> tsa: :-)
22:00 -!- simon-- [~simon@pD9E1D713.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:05 < [anders]> # telnet localhost 22
22:05 < [anders]> Trying 127.0.0.1...
22:05 < [anders]> Connected to localhost.
22:05 < [anders]> Escape character is '^]'.
22:05 < [anders]> SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.4p1
22:06 < tsa> ;-)
22:07 < tsa> hm...interesting
22:08 < tsa> why does my sshd say "SSH-1.99"?
22:08 < tsa> yours "SSH-2.0"
22:08 < [anders]> I don't allow SSH1 protocol at all..
22:08 < tsa> ah, i see.
22:09 < tsa> missed that one in my sshd_config..
22:09 < [anders]> :)
22:09 < tsa> changed.
22:09 < [anders]> Now I feel slightly less paranoid..
22:09 < tsa> hehe
22:10 < [anders]> I have the priv-sep code enabled, so I guess I will not get any compression..
22:10 < [anders]> But then again, ROCK isn't using PAM so...
22:10 < tsa> hm..
22:10 < tsa> which kernel do you use?
22:10 < tsa> privsep and compression should both work with 2.4.x kernels
22:10 < [anders]> 2.4.18 with crypto api
22:11 < tsa> ah.
22:11 < tsa> should be working, then.
22:11 < [anders]> Aahh.. that's good news..
22:11 < [anders]> :) Makes me feel even better..
22:11 < tsa> hehe
22:11 < [anders]> So good I'll have to go away for a little while.. ;-)
22:11 < tsa> hehe
22:11 < tsa> cu [anders]
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22:27 < [anders]> aaahh.. feeling MUCH better..
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22:28 < tomik> re 
22:28 < tomik> still no luck... but problem is in kernel ide setting
22:28 < tomik> i hope :)
22:30 < fake> [anders] sounds like .... *pffffffffffff*
22:31 < fake> (the thing you did while you were away)
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22:32 < term_aweh> good night
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22:32 < tsa> cu ter
22:32 < tsa> hm.,.
22:36 < [anders]> fake: it made splashing noises... ;-)
22:36 < fake> [anders] like *blubb* ?
22:37 < [anders]> no.. not like things bubbling in water, but like things falling into water... There was some *pffffff* noises as well though.. ;-)
22:37 < [anders]> Ehrm, perhaps we should drop this conversation..
22:38 < [anders]> Hmm.. huebi around?
22:38 < tsa> dunno
22:38 < [anders]> I found a problem with compiling bash with ncurses support..
22:38 < [anders]> when you reboot your system doesn't work..
22:38 < esden> night @ *
22:38 < fake> night esden
22:38 < tsa> cu esden
22:39 < [anders]> so libncurses would have to go into /lib or bash be compiled statically..
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22:39 < [anders]> night esden 
22:39 < fake> [anders]: yeah. i kinda guessed wrong.
22:39 < thalerim> evening
22:39 < tomik> pls where is the .config used for kernel on install-disks ? 
22:40 < tsa> hu thalerim
22:40 < thalerim> hi tsa
22:40 < tsa> hi even
22:40 < [anders]> I have to figure out a way to get bash compiled with ncurses though.. I want the 8-bit clean shell.. :)
22:41 < th> tomik: no where
22:41 < tsa> hm....
22:41 < tsa> ncurses don't belong into /lib ..
22:41 < thalerim> why the hell doesn't 1.5.16 provide the XF86Config ?
22:42 < th> thalerim: because 1.5.16 can't know your graphics-board?
22:42 < thalerim> huh?
22:43 < tsa> XFree86 -configure
22:43 < thalerim> produce one?
22:43 < th> i prefer xf86config
22:43 < th> thalerim: ack
22:43 < thalerim> mh, ok
22:44 < mike1> esden: are you here?
22:44 < thalerim> well, but the xfree86-pkg should contain one (it might do - i didn't check it, but the file wasn't installed - that's the fact
22:45 < th> thalerim: i could imagine a default svga or vga configuration
22:45 < th> thalerim: but who wants such config
22:45 < thalerim> in the source there is a standard file
22:46 < th> ahh ok
22:46 < thalerim> in 1.5.12 it was there that's why i wondered
22:47 < thalerim> of course X complained the missing config file and i didn't know about this -configure option
22:48 < tsa> buahahahaha!
22:48 * tsa reading gentoo's nvidia howto.
22:48 < thalerim> have anyone tried the boot-cd of 1.5.16 ?
22:48 < tsa> "Code listing 6"
22:48 < th> SMP: anything special to do with prol? i get unable to open initial console
22:48 < tsa> $ grep AGP /proc/pci
22:49 < tsa> interesting piece of code.
22:49 < tsa> really worth to get listed..
22:49 < thalerim> I burned it without bootable extension and i used the one of 1.5.12 - but i used the installation-programm of 1.5.16
22:50 < thalerim> and i looked for a directory 'base-pkgs/', on cd was 'base_pkg/'
22:50 < thalerim> so i had to copy all files from cd to hd
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22:50 < thalerim> further the installation-programm expected .tar.bz2-files, on CD were only .tbz2 ones
22:50 < holyolli> hi
22:51 < thalerim> finally the installation was a real cramp
22:51 < th> SMP: well. i though devfs would be enough but with dev.tar it works
22:51 < thalerim> but it works now :-)
22:51 < thalerim> <thalerim> and i looked for a directory 'base-pkgs/', on cd was 'base_pkg/' <- not I looked, but the programm looked
22:52 < thalerim> I think esden is responsible for the programm, isn't he?
22:52 < fake> thalerim since 1.5.14
22:52 < thalerim> seems to lack a bit
22:52 < fake> 1.5.12 is old...
22:53 < thalerim> yeah
22:53 < thalerim> i burned 1.5.16 but forgot to enable the bootable option
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22:53 < thalerim> that's why i had to boot with the CD of 1.5.12
22:53 < thalerim> but i used the installprogramm of 1.5.16
22:54 < thalerim> ESDEN! 
22:55 < thalerim> and where is rene?
22:55 < thalerim> GNOME 2.0 is out now !!
22:56 < thalerim> ah and the CVS-script seems not to work properly also
22:56 < thalerim> but I had no time to investigate the error - i just recognized it
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22:57 < owl> re
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22:57 < thalerim> hi owl
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23:10 < mike1> see you later
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23:48 < mike1> re
23:48 < mike1> re
23:48 < mike1> hehe
23:49 < mike1> Anyone could gimme some help some with an sshd issue?
23:49 < thalerim> me unfortunately not
23:50 < mike1> thalerim: mm... ok thanks anyways
23:50 < mike1> [anders]: ?
23:50 < thalerim> mike1: what about just asking your question?
23:50 < mike1> yeah sure
23:51 < mike1> i updated to openSSH 3.4p1 and did exactly the sma e security recommendations that the guys from openssh did
23:51 < mike1> Disabled ChallengeResponseAuthentication in sshd_config.
23:51 < thalerim> reasonable
23:52 < mike1> and also PAMAuthenticationViaKbdInt
23:52 < thalerim> actually you do not need that for 2.4p1, do you?
23:52 < thalerim> 3.4
23:52 < mike1> just followed the guide
23:53 < mike1> anyways i cant loggin my box via ssh now :(
23:53 < thalerim> "At least one major security vulnerability exists in many deployed OpenSSH versions (2.9.9 to 3.3). Please see the ISS advisory, or our own OpenSSH advisory on this topic where simple patches are provided for the pre-authentication problem. Systems running with UsePrivilegeSeparation yes or ChallengeResponseAuthentication no are not affected. "
23:53 < mike1> mmm
23:53 < thalerim> I interprete it as in 3.4p1 the vuln is fixed
23:53 * mike1 feels ashamed
23:53 < thalerim> and <3.4 you have to run with priv separation
23:54 < mike1> thalerim: ur right thanks
23:54 < mike1> ill check my box again
23:54 < thalerim> :-)
23:54 < mike1> in the end you did help me alot :)
23:54 < mike1> thanks
23:54 < thalerim> np
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