--- Log opened Wed Jul 10 00:00:10 2002
--- Day changed Wed Jul 10 2002
00:00 * owl will search the bed now...
00:00 < owl> g8. cu tomorrow
00:00 < huebi> cu owl 
00:01 < owl> cu huebi
00:01 < Mike1> bye owl
00:01 < owl> ciao everyone ;)
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00:03 < Mike1> huebi: what are you doing?
00:04 < huebi> fixing the Create-CD script.
00:04 < tsa> just curious - who is owl?
00:04 < Mike1> tsa: Her name is Sandra
00:04 < Mike1> she is a new ROCK user
00:04 < tsa> a woman??
00:05 < Mike1> tsa: sure
00:05 < tsa> uh. talked to her and didn't know.
00:05 < tsa> ;-)
00:05 < Mike1> hehe
00:05 < tsa> pic somewhere?
00:05 < Mike1> no :((
00:05 < tsa> hm..
00:06 < Mike1> perhaps i can sent you a pic of huebi if you like
00:06 < Mike1> *g
00:06 < tsa> aehm...
00:06 < tsa> no, thanks.
00:06 < Mike1> hehe
00:07 < huebi> tsa: has a URL IIRC.
00:08 < huebi> s/tsa/esden/
00:08 < tsa> esden: WAKE UP.
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00:09 < tsa> hi fake
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00:29 < huebi> Mike1: scripts/Create-CD is updated.
00:29 < Mike1> huebi: good
00:29 < Mike1> huebi: i cant continue with ext cd :((
00:29 < Mike1> i need maintainers to update versions
00:29 < huebi> Mike1: why?
00:29 < Mike1> eg abiword i cant find the god damn pkgs anymore
00:30 < Mike1> we are using 0.73.2 
00:30 < Mike1> the oldest i can get is 1.0.1
00:30 < Mike1> i have been browsing everywhere :(
00:30 < huebi> Mike1: Just update the versions yourself, ask tsa who updated many on SF, too.
00:31 < huebi> tsa: Am I right?
00:31 < Mike1> all the files that used to belong to abiword are now in a single package :(
00:31 < Mike1> besides i dont want Clifford to kick my ass (he maintains that pkg)
00:31 < tsa> huebi: sure..
00:32 < Mike1> have a look at what i am missing
00:32 * Mike1 Flood in #linux-sparc
00:33 < huebi> Mike1: ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/rock-pkg-1.5/ext-archive/abiword/
00:35 < Mike1> you have it????
00:35 < Mike1> GOOD!
00:35 * Mike1 was starting to demotivate
00:35 < Mike1> thanks huebi :))
00:35 < huebi> Mike1: I think it's better when you use the ext-pkgs on sourceforge. here they are allmost dead.
00:36 < huebi> I only work on base+opt. And the extensions are compatible with the ones on SF
00:36 < Mike1> yeah
00:36 < Mike1> anyways i am almost finished :)
00:38 < Mike1> Master huebi rulez!!
00:38 < huebi> ;-))
00:39 < Mike1> BTW i will have a look at ur files to see ig you got the sources i am missing ok?
00:40 < huebi> of course, yes.
00:40 < Mike1> danke
00:40 < Mike1> hope some one cares about this iso i have been working really hard to get it
00:55 < Mike1> huebi: a link to latest Create-CD script
00:55 < Mike1> please
00:56 < huebi> http://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/scripts/
00:56 < Mike1> *g
00:57 < Mike1> danke
01:11 < huebi> good night ;-)
01:12 < huebi> last test build for 1.5.17 is started
01:13 < Mike1> huebi: cool
01:13 < Mike1> you going to bed now?
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01:16 < tsa> n8
01:16 < Mike1> n8 tsa
01:16 < tsa> cu Mike1
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01:16 < h0h0> "For now, GNU GRUB is not released publicly yet,"
01:17 < h0h0> I thought rock used grub?
01:17 < Mike1> h0h0: yes we do
01:17 < Mike1> h0h0: ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/
01:17 < h0h0> ok
01:18 < h0h0> happen to know if it reads reiserfs partitions?
01:18 < Mike1> sorry only experience with lilo and silo
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01:18 < h0h0> silo?
01:19 < Mike1> h0h0: is a bit similar to lilo but is used on sparc
01:19 < h0h0> oh. guess I have no need for it then :)
01:19 < Mike1> *g
01:20 < Mike1> h0h0: anyways you just need a very small /boot partition to boot reiserfs partitions with lilo
01:20 < h0h0> I beleive thats how I had my system setup originaly, but Ill have to ask fdisk if thats the case now
01:20 < Mike1> hehe
01:22 < h0h0> can it be the very last thing on the drive?
01:22 < Mike1> no problem but i must be a primary partition
01:22 < Mike1> +t
01:23 < h0h0> hum, and can you have a primary partition after a extended partition?
01:23 < Mike1> if you have available space _out_ of the space that you defined for the extended yes if not .. well no :(
01:24 < h0h0> ahh
01:27 < h0h0> hum, my extended partiton goes to cylinder 1244 and my disk has 1247 cylinders
01:28 < Mike1> mmm
01:28 < Mike1> you only need like 20MB for /boot
01:30 < h0h0> my calculator shows that would give me 23 megs,
01:30 < Mike1> give it a try :)
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01:35 < h0h0> hum, well, my new partition doesn't seem to be showing up in /dev/discs/disc0/
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01:36 < Mike1> re
01:36 < h0h0> openprojects ipv6 split
01:37 < Mike1> ?
01:37 < h0h0> calvino, the openprojects.net ipv6 server, split
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01:37 < Mike1> h0h0: yes
01:37 < Mike1> re [anders]
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01:39 < h0h0> is there anything special you have to do to get new partitions to show up in devfs?
01:40 < Mike1> yes
01:40 < Mike1> restart devfsd
01:40 < Mike1> sometimes even reboot
01:40 < Ge0rG> its that easy?
01:40 < Mike1> Ge0rG: ?
01:41 < Ge0rG> ok, actually this should be managed by the kernel driver. fdisk sends an ioctl to the kernel to reread the partition table. this would be the right place to recreate devices.
01:42 < Mike1> killall -HUP /sbin/devfsd
01:42 < Ge0rG> devfsd only handles /dev/hdx#, not /dev/discs/...
01:43 < Mike1> Ge0rG: what are you talking about? devfsd handles /dev/discs/...
01:43 < h0h0> -HUP did'nt do it
01:43 < Mike1> h0h0: reboot
01:43 < h0h0> bah
01:44 < Ge0rG> Mike1: the kernel creates the nodes. devfsd maintains permissions and compatibility links
01:45 < Mike1> Ge0rG: you got a box running rock near you?
01:45 < Ge0rG> Mike1: nope, but two boxes with devfs
01:45 < Mike1> Ge0rG: please ls /dev/ tell me what you see
01:45 < Mike1> we use devfs
01:46 < Ge0rG> shall I cut'n'paste?
01:46 < Mike1> Ge0rG: you see any hdx
01:46 < Ge0rG> no
01:46 < Mike1> no
01:46 < Ge0rG> Mike1: whats your point?
01:46 < Mike1> now are you sure devfsd doesnt handle /dev/discs/... ??
01:47 < Mike1> thats devfsd defaults
01:47 < Ge0rG> Mike1: I can boot and use my machine without running devfsd. So the system must work without it
01:47 < Mike1> pathetic distros are the one that even when they run devfsd make links to discs/.. or cdroms/..
01:47 < h0h0> I dont see the partition under /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0
01:48 < Mike1> h0h0: you fdisk and mke2fs?
01:48 < h0h0> mke2fs is whats not working
01:48 < h0h0> it cant find the device
01:49 < Mike1> Ge0rG: sure when you dont boot with devfsd you are running pure ext2 or whatever you have 
01:49 < Ge0rG> h0h0: did you reboot?
01:49 < h0h0> nope, but Ill do so now
01:50 < Mike1> h0h0: if you dont reboot it will never show up
01:50 < h0h0> hmm, rebooting is the root of all evil
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01:50 < Ge0rG> Mike1: from the devfsd man page:
01:50 < Ge0rG>        devfsd will read the special control  file  .devfsd  in  a
01:50 < Ge0rG>        mounted  devfs,  listening for the creation and removal of
01:50 < Ge0rG>        device entries (this is termed a  change  operation).
01:50 < Ge0rG> it doesn't create or remove nodes - it only reacts on the creation events
01:53 < Mike1> Ge0rG: yeap i know, guess i just couldnt make my self clear
01:53 < Ge0rG> Mike1: so is there any other way than rebooting to make a new partition table and devfs consistent?
01:54 < Mike1> maybe init 1 then go back to init 3
01:55 < Ge0rG> don't think so - init doesn't do anything special to the kernel
01:55 < Mike1> so devfsd can "react"
01:55 < Ge0rG> except for init 0 ;)
01:55 < Mike1> Ge0rG: i know but devfsd must be restarted in order for it to react with the new changes on the partition table
01:56 < Ge0rG> Mike1: wait. /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part? are created by the kernel ide driver. that is what I try to tell you all the time :)
01:56 < Mike1> k
01:57 < Ge0rG> so HUPping devfsd won't bring us to our destination.
01:57 < Mike1> if you init1 its should not HUP it but stop it
01:58 < Ge0rG> even killing devfsd wouldn't change /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/
01:58 < Ge0rG> and restarting it neither.
01:58 < Mike1> so then init 6
01:58 < Mike1> yes it would
01:58 < Mike1> Ge0rG: i have done this before
01:58 < Ge0rG> as you already said: rebooting is evil.
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01:58 < Mike1> h0h0: said that :)
01:58 < Mike1> re h0h0
01:58 < Ge0rG> ah, ok.
01:58 < Mike1> so it apeared?
02:00 < Mike1> h0h0: ?
02:00 < h0h0> sorry, fighting ipv6 abit
02:00 < h0h0> yes its there
02:00 < Mike1> good h0h0
02:00 < Mike1> rebooting might have been eveil but worked
02:01 < Mike1> -e
02:01 < Ge0rG> but was it worth the price? ;)
02:01 < h0h0> it did work
02:01 < Mike1> Ge0rG: would you do it in another way?
02:01 < h0h0> and I needed to switch kernels anyway, I just hoped I could do it with grub
02:01 < Mike1> if so i wanna know so i dont have to reboot 
02:02 < Ge0rG> Mike1: I'm searching for an alternative approach...
02:03 < Mike1> But without searching what would you do in this moment if you had to do it?
02:03 < Ge0rG> reboot
02:04 < Mike1> what i mean there is no point on going over someone trying to help somebody else critizacing the way he knows things work if you dont have an alternative and would fix the problem in the very same way
02:05 < Mike1> thats not nice my friend
02:05 < Ge0rG> Mike1: I'm really sorry, but I just was confused about the way you described with restarting devfsd.
02:05 < Mike1> thought if you get an alternative besides reboot i'm all ears, believe i dont like to reboot my system
02:06 < Mike1> Ge0rG: its ok, i was just trying to avoid reboot :)
02:06 < h0h0> hum.
02:06 < Mike1> and leave as the last option
02:06 < h0h0> is it possible to install grub without the use of a floppy drive?
02:06 < Ge0rG> Mike1: ok, thats honorable :)
02:06 < Ge0rG> h0h0: you can run it from commandline. it might actually work :)
02:07 < Mike1> ;)
02:08 < Mike1> BTW have you got to build on the latest rock 1.5 tree snaps?
02:09 < Mike1> ok i now have to get my self something to eat
02:09 < Mike1> be back in a few minutes
02:09 < h0h0> go eat! w00t!
02:09 < Ge0rG> eating is a good idea
02:10 < h0h0> I like to eat
02:10 < h0h0> specificly, oaples and bononos
02:12 < Ge0rG> eating is, like regenerating, a physical limitation of my brain container.
02:20 < h0h0> nice. grub ftp is down
02:22 < h0h0> well, Ill do it tommorow
02:24 < Mike1> h0h0: no wait
02:24 < Mike1> i can dcc the grub tar ball to you if you like
02:25 * Mike1 eating but reading
02:26 < h0h0> um, not sure if dcc will work
02:26 < h0h0> but if you can ftp it to hoho.oh2600.com Id be great
02:26 < Ge0rG> isn't chatting with a full mouth impolite? ;)
02:26 < Mike1> lol
02:27 < Mike1> h0h0: how fast if ur connection?
02:27 < h0h0> cable
02:27 < Mike1> ok perhaps you download the file from my host
02:27 * Mike1 has a T1
02:27 < h0h0> how big is it?
02:27 < Mike1> 1.5MB/s
02:28 < h0h0> I know the speed of a T1. How big is the tarball?
02:28 < Mike1> oh mom
02:28 < h0h0> how ever you want to do it
02:29 < Mike1> [root@marte grub]# du -sh grub-0.92.tar.bz2 
02:29 < Mike1> 680k	grub-0.92.tar.bz2
02:29 < Mike1> [root@marte grub]# 
02:29 < h0h0> ha. thats small enough to email even
02:31 < Mike1> h0h0: http://www.hack-solutions.com/~mike2/rock/grub-0.92.tar.bz2
02:31 < Mike1> there it is
02:31 < h0h0> excelent
02:32 < Mike1> any other source you need? i have almost every single rock 15 tree package
02:32 < Mike1> including base opt and ext
03:01 < h0h0> oh 
03:01 < h0h0> is that a rock source? or a generic source?
03:02 < Mike1> is the sources needed to build rock but for now the are just generic :)
03:02 < Mike1> +y
03:02 < h0h0> good.
03:03 < h0h0> and dancer ircd has no such mode +y
03:03 < Mike1> h0h0: i ment as i missed a y on the previous line
03:03 < h0h0> genericy?
03:03 < h0h0> oh, they
03:04 < h0h0> ok
03:04 < Mike1> yup
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03:11 < th> re
03:11 < Mike1> re th
03:11 < Mike1> How are you ?
03:11 < Ge0rG> huhu th
03:12 < th> Mike1: well, thanks
03:12 < th> hi Ge0rG 
03:13 < th> someone knows scsi-cable style 2919 or a URL where to lookup?
03:19 < Mike1> th: no sorry my friend :(
03:21 < th> Mike1: i'm afraid it's not LVDable.
03:21 < Mike1> th: oh
03:21 < th> Mike1: so that would be the reason for all these backup problems and weird kernel-ring-buffer-messages
03:22 < Mike1> what are you willing to do ?
03:23 < th> fixing that ECRIX-autopak + arkeia installation
03:34 < Ge0rG> cu
03:34 < Mike1> n8 Ge0rG
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03:56 < Mike1> lo Freak
03:57 < Freak> hi again Mike1 :)
03:57 < Mike1> what are you doing up this late?
03:57 < Freak> was playing bzflag.. and now.. dunno.. still awake.. not tired..
03:58 < Mike1> hehe
03:58 < Mike1> nice
03:58 < Freak> and I have a can of Jolt cola left..
03:58 < Freak> dunno if I drink it..
03:58 < Freak> maybe I go to bed though :)
03:58 < Mike1> haha
03:58 < Freak> I could like.. call for the cat..
03:58 < Freak> brb
04:00 < Freak> hmm
04:00 < Freak> no, doesn't respond.. :)
04:01 < Mike1> lol
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04:31 < Mike1> still awake Freak?
04:31 < Freak> yup
04:31 < Mike1> guess what?
04:31 < Freak> watching my setis..
04:31 < Freak> what?
04:31 < Freak> *guessing*
04:32 < Mike1> I almost finished getting all the base opt and ext files to create the srcs isod
04:32 < Mike1> s/isod/isos
04:32 < Freak> great.. I think
04:32 < Mike1> for the 1.5 tree
04:32 < Freak> (:
04:32 < Mike1> yup
04:32 < Mike1> only missing 2 package from extensions
04:32 < Freak> have we accidentially met on LinuxTag? :)
04:33 < Freak> I think I only made contact with rxr
04:33 < Mike1> Freak: no i didnt had the honor
04:33 < Freak> heh :)
04:33 < Freak> next year
04:34 < Mike1> perhaps are you going to 19c3?
04:34 < Freak> I don't think
04:34 < Freak> it's very far from here to berlin..
04:34 < Freak> and isnt it 20c3?
04:34 < Freak> or am I messing that up now..
04:35 < Mike1> yeah you are
04:35 < Mike1> last year it was 18c3 :)
04:35 < Mike1> where are you BTW? 
04:35 < Freak> was that 18c3 last year..
04:35 < Freak> ok
04:35 < Freak> Pforzheim
04:35 < Freak> near Stuttgart/Karlsruhe :)
04:35 < Mike1> Freak: well you are a lot closer than i am
04:36 < Freak> heh
04:36 < Mike1> a lot >_<
04:36 < Freak> we'll see
04:36 < Freak> (:
04:36 < Freak> where are you exactly?
04:36 < Freak> or..
04:36 < Mike1> Costa Rica
04:36 < Freak> Costa Rica!
04:36 < Freak> wow
04:36 < Mike1> yup
04:36 < Freak> (:
04:36 < Mike1> so i am farter than you are
04:36 < Mike1> ;)
04:36 < Freak> heh
04:37 < Freak> and will you fly here?
04:37 < Freak> I mean
04:37 < Freak> come to the 19c3
04:37 < Mike1> yes
04:37 < Freak> how can you afford it?
04:37 < Mike1> i work :)
04:37 < Freak> heh
04:37 < Mike1> besides i'm working on moving to frankfurt
04:37 < Freak> ah
04:38 < Freak> getting a job there?
04:38 < Mike1> besides the tickets wont cost me more than $1000
04:38 < Freak> lol
04:38 < Mike1> studying and working yeah
04:38 < Freak> that's enuff
04:38 < Mike1> [root@marte rock-src-1.5.17.private]# ./scripts/Download -list-missing       
04:38 < Mike1> ext-archive/ace/ACE+TAO.tar.bz2
04:38 < Mike1> [root@marte rock-src-1.5.17.private]# 
04:38 < Freak> you could like buy me a car :)
04:38 < Mike1> lol
04:38 < Mike1> how old are you Freak?
04:38 < Freak> or at least a laptop..
04:38 < Freak> 19
04:39 < Mike1> i'm 20
04:39 < Freak> lol
04:39 < Mike1> ;)
04:39 < Freak> ok
04:39 < Freak> hey I just finished school two weeks ago
04:39 < Freak> and you..
04:39 < Freak> omg I don't wanna think of it :)
04:39 < Mike1> so i guess you will soon be getting enought money to get a laptop with a risk processor :)
04:40 < Freak> hmm
04:40 < Mike1> i finished high school when i was 16
04:40 < Freak> have to do social work for a year now
04:40 < Mike1> hehe
04:40 < Freak> that is instead of going to the army
04:40 < Mike1> Freak: and i started university at 17
04:40 < Freak> and afterwards..
04:40 < Freak> I dunno..
04:40 < Freak> wow
04:40 < Mike1> Freak: why not the army?
04:40 < Freak> how come, you kinda genius or something? or is that regular?
04:41 * Freak is a pacifist
04:41 < Mike1> lets just say i worked really hard :)
04:42 < Mike1> most people here finish high school at 17 or 18
04:42 < Freak> so I guess it's not regular.. you just.. left out some classes
04:42 < Freak> ok
04:42 < Freak> I admire that :)
04:42 < Mike1> thanks
04:43 < Mike1> got rocked when i was 18 i think
04:43 < Mike1> or 19 not sure
04:43 < Freak> rocked? is that "using rock"?
04:43 < Mike1> yup of course
04:43 < Freak> ok ;)
04:43 < Mike1> how about you
04:43 < Freak> never heard that before, sorry :)
04:43 < Freak> not yet :)
04:43 < Freak> I just successfully migrated to debian
04:43 < Mike1> how come? i've seen you around for a while
04:44 < Mike1> from what?
04:44 < Freak> from mdk (mandrake)
04:44 < Freak> how come? well .. I was camping with the windowmaker-booth-guys
04:44 < Freak> at linuxtag you know..
04:44 < Freak> and they had windowmaker of course.. so I fell in love with windowmaker.
04:44 < Freak> and they had debian
04:45 < Freak> and I fell in love with debian :)
04:45 < Mike1> hehe nice
04:45 < Freak> I had the opportunity to meet rxr and hear his speech about rock there
04:45 < Mike1> i would like to meet those guys from windowmaker sometime
04:45 < Freak> so that's why I'm here :)
04:45 < Freak> I like rock
04:45 < Freak> like.. what I heard of it :)
04:45 < Freak> but I'm too lazy to get rocked
04:46 < Mike1> you certainly should 
04:46 < Mike1> rock 1.6.0 stable is close to be released it could be good chance for you
04:46 < Freak> well you know.. I think if debian adopts the ports system.. it's just as good
04:46 < Mike1> i started rocking with 1.2
04:47 < Mike1> Freak: oh well rock and debian are pretty different
04:47 < Freak> I think so :)
04:47 < Mike1> but certainly migrating from Mandrake to debian has been a GREAT decition
04:47 < Freak> hehe
04:47 < Freak> I was on mandrake for some months only
04:48 < Freak> before that I was on SuSE for almost a year
04:48 < Freak> and before that.. let's not talk about it ;)
04:49 < Mike1> Freak: hehe ok
04:49 < Mike1> the mistakes you made in the past are not important is the way you face future what matters
04:50 < Freak> is that a citation? :)
04:50 < Mike1> no i just made it my self
04:50 < Mike1> :)
04:50 < Freak> hehe
04:51 < Mike1> Freak: believe you must get to Build a rock linux distro, its an amazing experience
04:52 < Freak> (:
04:52 < Mike1> sometimes is a pain in the ass but when you fix the problems you feel great
04:52 < Freak> heh =)
04:52 < Mike1> and when you finish the build and you create the cds
04:53 < Mike1> and look at then and you say to ur self wow i built a whole linux distro from 1 floppy disk with source
04:53 < Mike1> thats an incredible feeling
04:53 < Mike1> at least for me
04:53 < Freak> I think so
04:53 < Freak> but as I said.. I'm too lazy
04:54 < Mike1> lol
04:54 < Mike1> ok Mr lazy Freak you could just get an iso image and install it :)
04:54 < Freak> but if I should set up a new box in the future.. and debian hasnt adopted the ability to build everything from sources yet.. I will try rock
04:55 < Freak> well I can have an iso image of debian as well..
04:55 < Freak> nah never mind :)
04:55 < Freak> I believe you how great it is.. and I really would like to try it.. but I need my box and can't wait as long as to build it from source..
04:57 < Mike1> then just install it from an iso
04:57 < Mike1> :)
04:58 < Freak> hey the sun is already rising over here..
04:58 < Freak> it's 5am
04:59 < Mike1> lol
04:59 < Mike1> its 9pm here
04:59 < Freak> what time is it over there?
04:59 < Freak> heh
05:00 < Mike1> pretty soon developpers will start to come back again 
05:00 < Freak> (:
05:01 < Mike1> i believe one of the first ones if not the first one will he huebi
05:01 < Mike1> he and [anders] will be very happy to see i finished the sources isos
05:01 < Freak> :)
05:03 < Mike1> well i actually just finished to download no i need to ./scripts/Create-CD sources { base | ext }
05:10 < Freak> I think I have to go to bed now..
05:10 < Freak> gnite Mike1
05:10 < Mike1> n8 Freak
05:10 < Mike1> or moin
05:10 < Mike1> ;)
05:10 < Mike1> bye
05:11 < Freak> hehe
05:11 < Freak> cu
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06:57 < huebi> moin
06:57 < Mike1> hello huebi
06:57 < Mike1> wie geht es ihnen?
06:57 < huebi> morning mike. I'm fine. I just woke up
06:58 < Mike1> ich wiess
06:58 < Mike1> :)
06:58 < Mike1> sleep well?
06:58 < huebi> *g*
06:58 < Mike1> huebi: did you already ahd a look at th email that i sent to the mailing list?
06:58 < huebi> Yes, I did.
06:59 < huebi> erm, no I didn't but Ill have now
06:59 < Mike1> lol
06:59 < Mike1> no problem
06:59 < Mike1> i hope you are please with that mail :)
06:59 < Mike1> s/please/pleased
07:03 < [anders]> arrrf....
07:03 < Mike1> good mourning [anders]
07:03 < [anders]> package slang will probably need an addition to the slang.conf
07:03 < huebi> morning [anders] 
07:03 < [anders]> re Mike1 huebi 
07:03 < [anders]> :)
07:04 < [anders]> MAKE="make -j1" to be added in slang.conf
07:04 < Mike1> [anders]: read my mail to the rock mailing list?
07:04 < [anders]> Mike1: No, not yet.. but I read parts of the scroll-back.. :)
07:04 < [anders]> you have some ISO's... :)
07:04 < Mike1> [anders]: lol
07:04 < Mike1> [anders]: maybe you look at the mail and see whats left got you on it
07:05 < [anders]> huebi: do you want me to add to slang.conf or do you want the honour? :)
07:05 < [anders]> Mike1: I can't check the mail until I get to work in about two hours time.
07:06 < Mike1> [anders]: ok what the hell: http://www.hack-solutions.com/~mike2/ROCK/1.5/1.5.7/
07:06 < Mike1> have fun!
07:07 < Mike1> oops
07:08 < Mike1> [anders]: http://www.hack-solutions.com/~mike2/ROCK/1.5/1.5.17/
07:08 < Mike1> the previous url was wrong
07:08 < [anders]> aah.. a missing '1' :)
07:08 < Mike1> yup
07:09 < Mike1> now look at it :)
07:09 < [anders]> huebi: I've added 'MAKE="$MAKE -j1' to top of slang.conf  as slang seems to sometimes fail if you build with -j2...
07:09 < [anders]> Mike1: ok, one sec..
07:09 < huebi> Mike1: I read the mail. Thank you for your work.
07:11 < [anders]> Mike1: well, one ISO being downloaded right this minute.. :)
07:11 * Mike1 guesses its the ext one
07:11 < Mike1> huebi: no need to thank me is an honor :)
07:12 < [anders]> Mike1: many thanks for sorting out the ISO's.. it has been on my wishlist for a looooong time.. :)
07:12 < Mike1> [anders]: you are welcome, perhaps we should now try to keep it its pretty usefull
07:13 < Mike1> just hope i didnt bother to much while i was doing then
07:13 < Mike1> BTW huebi and [anders] thanks a lot for been patient with me and for your help and support
07:14 < huebi> [anders]: Anders Karlsson <- is this your real name? for the cvs log.
07:14 < [anders]> huebi: yes, that is correct. :)
07:14 < huebi> Mike1: you're very welcome. ;-)
07:14 < [anders]> Mike1: Thank You for your help and support. :)
07:15 < Mike1> no its time to test the iso with a nice build
07:15 < Mike1> s/no/now
07:16 < [anders]> huebi: I am running the ia32 build with make -j2 and it is breaking some packages.. in general, just starting the build again seems to work, but the packages that fail, I update the .conf for. That OK?
07:16 < [anders]> Mike1: once I get the ISO, I will try it out. :)
07:17 < Mike1> [anders]: thanks i will too :)
07:17 < [anders]> in any event... time for breakfast and shower.. :)
07:17 < [anders]> biab
07:17 < huebi> [anders]: yes, do it.
07:24 < huebi> 258 pkgs are finished now.
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07:30 < Mike1> re h0h0
07:31 * huebi reading log
07:45 < Mike1> ok guys i now need to go home and get some sleep
07:45 < Mike1> see you in a few hours
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08:12 < huebi> h0h0: grub is in 1.5.12 - 1.5.17
08:43 < [anders]> morning folks.. :)
08:44 < [anders]> uff... building qt...
08:45 < huebi> [== 03:32:57 =[3]=> Building base package qt [3.0.4 1.5.17].
08:45 < huebi> == 05:06:51 07/10/02 =[3]=> Finished building package qt.
08:46 < [anders]> Hmm.. and you are building on an XP1800+ ?
08:46 < huebi> [anders]: No.
08:46 < huebi> [anders]: a dual XP1800+
08:46 < huebi> hehe
08:46 < huebi> make -j 16
08:46 < [anders]> *weep*
08:47 < [anders]> I'm only using -j2, as that should be well sufficent for a UP box..
08:47 < huebi> [anders]: I tried make -jx out with compiling kernels.
08:48 < [anders]> huebi: the kernels generally will allow parallel compiling no problem.. 
08:48 < huebi> x=16 was a little bit faster than x=8 on my dual box
08:49 < huebi> qt allows dual compiling as well.
08:49 < huebi> or better parallel.
08:49 < [anders]> I found two packages this morning which doesn't work every time with -jx where x>1
08:49 < huebi> did you have a look in cvs?
08:49 < [anders]> i have updated the conf's..
08:49 < [anders]> Not yet.. Will do that now..
08:50 < [anders]> not quite half way pulling the ext-ISO as well.. :)
08:51 < huebi> one idea on linuxtag was to make a built CD. Ther will be a fairly big rescue system with all programs to compile ROCK Linux on it and also all base+opt sources.
08:53 < huebi> Then a new box can be setup with compiling all from scratch without having an OS on it at first.
08:54 < [anders]> huebi: that is a good idea.. :)
08:54 < huebi> Yes. And I think I then can leave off the rescue image from the normal CD.
08:55 < huebi> rock-debug should be finished in 2 mins...
08:57 < [anders]> hehehe
08:58 < [anders]> argh.. compiling Qt is making my box like syrup...!
09:00 < [anders]> huebi: missing close doublequote in slang.conf
09:02 < huebi> [anders]: thank you.
09:03 < huebi> applied
09:04 < [anders]> :)
09:07 < huebi> 7:48h for the build.
09:10 < [anders]> huebi: did yuo get anywhere with the 'tar --use-compress-program' bits yesterday?
09:11 < [anders]> under 8 hours? It'll take 14h+ for me.. and that is just base+opt
09:11 < huebi> [anders]: Yes, I think you make  also a complete rebuild (Stage 5). I leave that out for faster testing.
09:12 < [anders]> yeah, I do stage 5 as well just to verify that nothing went wrong in stage 1-4..
09:14 < huebi> my SUN Ulrta 30 with 300Mhz needs about 14h for qt and 37h for the whole build. So I don't like the rebuild time. But it is a very good idea to rebuild the stuff with stage 5 to be really shure all things went right. ;-))
09:19 < huebi> Now I setup my bos with the new build and see if that works. If all is right I release 1.5.17 in about 2h.
09:19 * huebi having a shower...
09:24 < [anders]> huebi: ok.. it is building for me, but I don't have the Create-CD patch in quite yet..
09:24 < [anders]> (build not finished yet, still in stage 3)
09:35 < [anders]> I have now applied the bits from CVS and the only things I have now that are different should be the command line options to tar. (and possibly version strings in parse-config and VERSION). Other than that, things should be quite similar.
09:52 < [anders]> I have downloaded the snap that Mike1 used to download the extensions with. I'll add that to my snap in a bit. In the meantime I have to do some work here.. :)
09:54 < huebi> [anders]: ACk, have fun with your work, too. I have to rewrit  some documentation now. The mailserver did not send it and I deleted it after sending ;(((
09:57 < [anders]> whoops.. :)
09:58 < huebi> [anders]: Ye, a new administrator not very firm in sendmail and RFC's
09:58 < [anders]> heh, I do not envy you that work.. :)
10:05 < [anders]> huebi: would you like me to generate patches for each individual file I have changed the tar commands for?
10:05 < [anders]> i.e. a patch a file..
10:08 < huebi> [anders]: [anders] That is a very good idea. So I can test each file separatly.
10:09 < [anders]> huebi: will do that.. do you want me to create them, then tar them up and upload to rocklinux.dyndns.org ?
10:09 < huebi> [anders]: yes, please.
10:12 < [anders]> huebi: give me a while to do it.. I'll let you know when the archive has been uploaded.
10:13 < huebi> [anders]: jo, thank you.
10:13 * huebi cleaning up my office...
10:34 < th> morning
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10:34 < th> huebi: it has been a wrong scsi-cable i suppose
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10:40 < huebi> moin th
10:40 < huebi> moin rxr
10:41 < huebi> th: wrong cable ore a broken one
10:41 < huebi> ?
10:53 < th> huebi: wrong one
10:53 < th> huebi: not a LVD cable
10:59 < huebi> brb
11:05 < rxr> re
11:07 < huebi> re
11:07 < huebi> moin rxr
11:08 * huebi using the Krups now.
11:16 * huebi installing 1.5.17 for ia32 k7
11:25 < huebi> * reboot
11:37 < huebi> Gnome has no Xinerama support anymore . The window manager works with xinerama but Gnome not.
11:37 < huebi> any suggestions concerning this?
11:46 < [anders]> no idea.. starting to get the patches together.. do you want them in matching directory hierarchy as the files they modify or would you prefer them all in one directory. I apply them with patch -p2 and they work.. Tested each one against the CVS tree...
11:47 < [anders]> I also have to think about how the exclude file works for diff as there are many files modified in the subdists directory...
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11:52 < huebi> [anders]: Give me the files sorted in directories, please.
11:52 < [anders]> huebi: ok, will do. :)
11:55 < huebi> rxr: can you help me with Gnome and Xinerama?
11:56 < [anders]> huebi: libgtop fails building.. 
11:57 < [anders]> huebi: you haven't got any changes to it since yesterday have you>
11:58 < huebi> [anders]: no, no changes at libgtop
11:59 < huebi> [anders]: can you check it in cvs, please?
12:02 < esden> hi all
12:03 < huebi> moin esden 
12:03 < huebi> esden: can sawmill can do Xinerama?
12:03 < esden> no idea ...
12:04 < esden> huebi: is this error known?:
12:04 < esden> Creating gcc wrapper program (lib/gcc-wrapper).
12:04 < esden> In file included from /usr/include/signal.h:307,
12:04 < esden>                  from /usr/include/sys/wait.h:30,
12:04 < esden>                  from misc/lib-source/gcc-wrapper.c:6:
12:04 < esden> /usr/include/bits/sigcontext.h:28: asm/sigcontext.h: No such file or directory
12:04 < esden> /floodend
12:05 < [anders]> huebi: I'll check it against CVS, but as of this morning, there was no changes.. I might have to start the build from scratch to find out if this is a real problem..
12:05 < esden> what have you done to the kernel package build scripts this time ... >_<
12:05 < huebi> esden: Yes. usre teh new linux* pkgs. They work. now and generate the right header files in /usr/include
12:06 < huebi> [anders]: did something fail before that error?
12:07 < [anders]> huebi: screen and slang iirc.. but both of those carried on after restart..
12:07 < esden> huebi: ok
12:08 < huebi> esden: The old kernel packages had a big problem with the include files. If you have uninstalled the linux package glibc had no include  files anymore. Really Bad that thing.
12:09 < huebi> Now the header files from the kernel are copied to /usr/include/{asm,linux}. All should be fine then if you do not pkg-remove linux-header
12:10 < huebi> should we better call it linux-headers?
12:11 < esden> hmm ... I think that is ok
12:11 < esden> you can change it if you want ... 
12:12 < huebi> jo, I know...
12:12 < huebi> ;-)
12:12 < rxr> huebi: I'm just wondering whether you have already sent the Slowlaris CD to me ? ;-)
12:12 < huebi> but I want to find a good consece for all.
12:13 < huebi> rxr: No, I didn't I just found them while cleanig up here. Can you give me your address again, please. (I send armijns CD today too)
12:15 < rxr> huebi: ;-) sure
12:16 < esden> huebi: if I remember correctly sawmill supports Xinerama
12:18 < esden> 30  D  Jul 10 Christine Hall  ( 2.5K) WWW2.ROCKLINUX.DE
12:18 < esden> muahaha
12:18 < esden> that is cool
12:18 < esden> I get now spam because of rocklinux >_<
12:20 < esden> huebi: should the linux-header pacage not be built in stage 1 ?
12:22 < esden> ohh ... i think i see the problem ... 
12:24 < esden> argh ... ok .. i forgot the -d option while running cvs up
12:24 < esden> ok ... now all works
12:27 < huebi> esden: cvs up -dP is the prefered way
12:27 < huebi> ;-)
12:27 < esden> yes now I know
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12:38 < esden> only for info I got vim downto 360kb binary ... it is only 5kb bigger than nvi
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12:40 < [anders]> huebi: getting close to having all the patches now.. Will pull CVS, try and apply all of them and if that works, I'll tar them up and pass them on to you.. :)
12:44 * -> esden registred @ bk
12:44 < esden> i have to test it ...
12:44 < esden> and I want the newest kernel sources
12:44 < [anders]> esden: is bk any good?
12:45 < esden> [anders]: I will know when I have tested it ... I would prefere if it would be under gpl ... but one can not have everything
12:46 < [anders]> Quite.. Linus himself said that if something equivalent of BitKeeper had been GPL, he would have used it, but as there was nothing as good as BK, he decided to use that..
12:47 < [anders]> I must say, can't fault the logic there. VMware is the best tool for the type of job it does and I do not have a problem paying for the software as it serves the purpose. If it was more expensive I would perhaps think about it..
12:47 < esden> yes I know ... I have followed the whole discussion ... that is why I want to test it
12:48 < [anders]> If the tools are good and there is no free alternative, paying for them isn't so bad..
12:48 < [anders]> :)
12:48 < esden> [anders]: sure that is also my philosophy
12:48 < [anders]> Hence why I use OpenOffice and not StarOffice.. :-D
12:48 < esden> hehe
12:49 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pc19.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #rocklinux
12:49 < bluefire> Hi
12:49 < [anders]> re bluefire 
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12:51 < holyolli> moin
12:51 < [anders]> esden: so how is the work with dietlibc going? I understand that not everything works with it. 
12:51 < [anders]> re holyolli 
12:51 < holyolli> hi anders
13:00 < esden> [anders]: i currently have to get alpha port further ... I havo also exams at the moment .. when my exams are over I will continue with the dietlibc target ... I have many patches still laying around on my machine ... but I have not found the time to submit them ... I will do it hopefully soon ... the problem with the patches is that they are really nasty ... and should be cleaned up ...
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13:01 < esden> I know that not all is working on dietlibc ... but I also know when I/we investy enough effort then we can get all running on it ... also helping the dietlibc developers to create a full quality libc ...
13:01 < esden> that is smaller and cleaner than glibc ... but there is still long way to go ... but someone has to go this way ... 
13:02 < esden> uclibc would be also an alternative ... but this is a stripped down glibc .... and I do not like this idea
13:02 < esden> hi holyolli 
13:06 < huebi> moin holyolli ;-)
13:07 < esden> I will create a uClibc target .. I have already started with it on my laptop ... but I have not done much on it @ [anders] 
13:07 < esden> argh .. I need a faster alpha >_< ... this compiles need years
13:08 < huebi> esden: read fakes CrosCC Howto *eg*
13:08 < [anders]> esden: I see.. the dietlibc would be really nice to get going.. It should perhaps even be faster than glibc ?
13:10 < esden> [anders]: I have already built a full system that you can changeroot in on dietlibc ... so I know it is possible to make a full system based on dietlibc
13:10 < esden> but currently many things in 1.7 have been changed ... so I have to fix all that before I continue wit the real work ...
13:12 < esden> [anders]: I think that it will be really faster than gilbc ... on example ... I need to compile glibc on hour or so ... dietlibc needs less then then 5 minutes
13:12 < rxr> esden: remeber to checkout my fixed 1.7 tree via rsync ...
13:12 < rxr> maybe I have the time to put all of my souces into subversion within the next days ...
13:12 < esden> rxr: yes I will but I am currently concentrating on my exams and alpha ... 
13:13 < esden> rxr: I wish you a lot of luck with subversion ...
13:13 < rxr> esden: sure ;-)
13:13 < [anders]> esden: yes, it saves on compile-time.. what about at runtime?
13:14 < holyolli> hi esden, huebi
13:15 < holyolli> esden: have you already tested the current snap with alpha?
13:15 < esden> I have not made performance tests with dietlibc till now ... I will do it when I come back to work on this target ...
13:15 < esden> holyolli: I am testing the cvs checkout currently
13:16 < [anders]> argh.. uploading an 8kb file taking more than 2 minutes. that is baaaaad!
13:16 < esden> I have fixed some bugs in the last days
13:16 < holyolli> esden: nice! which ones?
13:17 < esden> with minicom ... there was something ...
13:17 < huebi> [anders]: moment please...
13:18 < [anders]> huebi: patches uploaded..
13:18 < holyolli> esden: any idea why qt doesn't compile?
13:18 < esden> but before that i have done som fixes to the linux kernel packages ... added optimalization for this 30 different alpha processors
13:18 < SMP> hi.
13:18 < [anders]> re SMP
13:18 < esden> holyolli: I have not reached it till now ...
13:18 < esden> hi SMP 
13:18 < holyolli> esden: ah
13:18 < huebi> [anders]: The line is free now.
13:18 < huebi> Moin SMP ;-))
13:18 < [anders]> huebi: already managed to get them up.. :)
13:19 < holyolli> hi smp
13:19 < huebi> minicom is fixed.
13:19 < [anders]> huebi: hope it all is in order, I have tried with patching the tree from CVS and it all works..
13:19 < esden> == 13:26:05 =[2]=> Building base package ncurses [5.2 1.5.17_2002-07-08_09h20]. @ holyolli 
13:19 < holyolli> ah
13:20 < huebi> the tar ball of minicom and it's URL changed. But not the version.
13:20 < esden> I was much more advanced but huebi changed some things with kernel packages ... so I restarted the build to make sure all works fine
13:21 * [anders] will kick off another build now with the latest private tree and hope for the best..
13:22 < esden> [anders]: I wish you luck
13:23 < [anders]> esden: thanks.. :) It fell over on libgtop before.. in stage 3.. I hope to get further this time..
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13:25 < huebi> re [anders] 
13:25 < esden> re [anders] 
13:27 < [anders]> re huebi esden 
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13:27 < esden> does anyone of you want to spend me a DS20E with two 833Mhz processors and 2Gb ram ... ?
13:27 < holyolli> esden: www.ebay.com
13:27 < esden> 1 GB should be enough too
13:27 < holyolli> ;)
13:27 < esden> holyolli: I have no money ... >_<
13:27 < esden> I have not seen money for years .... >_<
13:27 < huebi> esden: Do you have stones or potatoes?
13:27 < holyolli> ./dcc send esden colorprinter
13:27 < holyolli> ;)
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13:28 < esden> huebi: yes ... have some stones in my shues
13:29 < esden> holyolli: thanks
13:29 < huebi> esden: Pure carbone stones?
13:29 < Caspar__> Hi ! Anyone expirience with coda ?
13:29 < esden> huebi: no ... ... I have no cole here ;-)
13:30 < huebi> esden: made with high pressure und temperatur out of olg dinosaurs?
13:30 < esden> and diamonds either
13:30 < huebi> yes diamonds that was the word I searched for ;-)))
13:31 < SMP> someone here was fiddeling with ACPI on 2.4?
13:31 < th> SMP: no. but tell me about it after you did, please.
13:31 < huebi> SMP: I use it on my dual XP.
13:32 < SMP> where can I find the patch?
13:32 < SMP> for the backport from 2.5, I mean
13:34 < huebi> It shuts down fine. That is all I need. I activated: [*] Prompt for development and/or incomplete code/drivers
13:35 < huebi> Then there is:
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13:35 < huebi> General setup  ---> [*]   ACPI support                                        
13:36 < huebi> No patch. It's in 2.4.18
13:36 < huebi> SMP: Is it that, what you want?
13:36 < SMP> I know this, but it sucks
13:37 < huebi> ACK
13:37 < SMP> there must be a backport of the ACPI subsystem from 2.5
13:38 < huebi> SMP: Perhaps in the kernel SRPMs of RH, SuSE, mdk?
13:39 < [anders]> == 12:38:23 =[1]=> Building base package 00-dirtree [1.5.17-private 1.5.17-private].
13:40 < [anders]> SMP: I was tinkering with it, and having big problems..
13:40 < SMP> [anders]: the backport from 2.5? where can I get it?
13:40 < [anders]> SMP: no, just the plain ACPI in 2.4.18
13:40 < [anders]> it kept locking my box up..
13:41 < SMP> the plain ACPI just sucks
13:41 < [anders]> (and locking it to the point I had to remove power to get it back..)
13:41 < [anders]> I thought I had cooked the CPU..
13:45 < rxr> SMP: acpi.sf.net or so ...
13:47 < [anders]> SMP: http://www.brodo.de/english/pub/acpi/
13:48 < [anders]> "2.4.18 + acpi-20020611 / 2.5.21 +
13:48 < [anders]> acpi-20020611 / 2.5.22 or later"
13:48 < [anders]> that could be the latest acpi for 2.4.18 there is at the moment..
13:49 < [anders]> http://acpi.sourceforge.net
13:51 < SMP> can't find any patches at acpi.sf.net ..
13:51 < huebi> http://www.brodo.de/english/pub/acpi/20020611/bugfixes.html
13:52 < SMP> 'should remove bugs in the Linux acpi-20020611 release'
13:53 < SMP> so I need that acpi-20020611 release first
13:53 < huebi> http://www.brodo.de/english/pub/acpi/pci_irq/pciirq.27.acpi24.diff
13:53 < huebi> http://www.brodo.de/english/pub/acpi/pci_irq/index.html
13:54 < rxr> SMP: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=36832&release_id=98870
13:55 < SMP> ah! thanks
13:55 < SMP> but I might go with the ACPI parts from WOLK-3.5-pre3
13:56 < rxr> SMP: for whta do you use WOLK ????
13:56 < SMP> for ripping out the ACPI patches
13:57 < rxr> ah i c
13:58 < SMP> hmm
13:58 < SMP> ALSA, preempt and lowlatency are also in there
13:59 * SMP going to give wolk-3.5-rc3 a shot :}
14:00 < SMP> ls linux-2.4.18-wolk3.5-rc3-patchset/ | wc -l
14:00 < SMP>     515
14:01 < SMP> hell.
14:01 < SMP> it has a 'working' in it, right? ;>
14:10 < fake_> what is wolk?
14:10 < fake_> o_O?
14:10 < fake_> aaaah! i am infected by a "_"
14:10 < esden> fake_: Working Overloaded Linux Kernel
14:10 -!- fake_ is now known as fake
14:10 < fake> esden: aaah. you told me about it
14:10 < esden> a patchset to the standard vanilla kernel
14:11 < esden> fake: yups
14:11 < fake> where to get? *g*
14:11 < esden> fake: r u @ work or @ homu
14:11 < esden> e
14:11 < fake> *killing spare time at work*
14:11 < esden> work.sf.net ?
14:11 < esden> argh
14:11 < esden> i mean wolk.sf.net
14:11 < fake> i c
14:12 < esden> or www.sf.net/projects/wolk
14:12 < snyke> re
14:12 < esden> hi snyke 
14:12 < esden> and yes hi fake  ;-)
14:12 < fake> *ROFL* @WOLK-Logo
14:12 * -> esden compiling linus linux kernel tree checkout ... fresh and hot checkout from bk
14:13 < esden> fake: hehe .. this pinguil is FAT ;-) rolf as a penguin
14:17 < fake> esden: which version is that ? 2.5.25-preX ?
14:18 < esden> #define UTS_RELEASE "2.5.25"
14:18 < esden> #define LINUX_VERSION_CODE 132377
14:18 < esden> from include/linux/version.h
14:19 < fake> ah.
14:20 * fake gibt sich Nightwish
14:25 < esden> ok ... build ready ... /me testing kernel ... brb
14:25 < [anders]> huebi: does the patches make any sense? :)
14:26 * huebi dreaming of a kernel working only as module loader. Never reboot again - just through the box away.
14:26 < fake> 499 patches...
14:26 < fake> huebi: MACH
14:27 < huebi> If I had the knowledge I would have it done.
14:27 < fake> huebi: neine ich meine den MACH-Kernel
14:27 < fake> *lol*
14:28 < huebi> axo *g*
14:29 * [anders] needs a mug of tea.. Preferable Lapsang Souchong....
14:29 < [anders]> feels like drinking a cigar... *g*
14:31 * fake is laughning his ass off
14:32 < fake> WOLK is using the vanilla sources like it were some cheap nasty bitch... 
14:35 < esden> not working >_<
14:35 < fake> NWOLK ;-)
14:35 < esden> the 2.5 tree does not like my ide chipset
14:35 < huebi> esden: enable the "Kerner lamer mode"
14:36 < esden> huebi: yes ... that will help for sure
14:36 < [anders]> I like the WOLKcontributor, "Oliver Xymoron"
14:36 < esden> huebi: but I wanted to do it the hard way ;-)
14:36 < fake> "Now booting the... wait. you are a Lamer? Booting Windows...."
14:36 < [anders]> hehehe.. nice name..
14:37 < SMP> yeah, for those to whom WOLK is not enough thrill there is still FOLK
14:37 < huebi> esden: The Hardway:cat /dev/random |make config *eg*
14:37 < fake> SMP: i already feel ashamed to aplly-or-die 500 patches
14:41 < fake>  [ ] VIA - if i copy i get oops() (HACK) (NEW)
14:41 < fake> *ROFL*
14:41 < esden> huebi: dd bc=100 if=/dev/random of=/boot/vmlinuz ; lilo ; roboot
14:42 < huebi> ;-0
14:42 < fake> < >  SVR3/SVR4 (and derivates) binary emulation support
14:42 < fake> *OUCH*
14:48 < [anders]> hmm.. build fails between stage 1 and 2...
14:48 < [anders]> trying to build the flist_wrapper and things from /usr/include is not there..
14:49 < esden> [anders]: you have not co the linux-header package
14:50 < esden> [anders]: make a cvs up -dP
14:50 < esden> [anders]: I had the same problem some hours ago
14:51 < [anders]> esden: can I do that against the anoncvs ?
14:52 < esden> yes your changes will not be touched ... and if there are collisions they will be reported and you can fix them manually
14:52 < [anders]> esden: ok, trying the update now..
14:53 < fake>  [ ]     Many (~2080) SCSI discs support (requires devfs) (NEW) 
14:53 < fake> *bwuahaha*
14:54 < esden> fake: that is really needed ... I have also 2000 ide disks in my intel box ;-)
14:55 < fake> esden: no, that were 2000 Hz. you always mix that up... tststs.
14:55 -!- ge0rg is now known as Ge0rG
14:55 < esden> fake: oh ... yes ... sorry >_<
14:55 < fake> ;-)
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15:01 < SMP> fake: well 200 SCSI disks are an issue. think of a really big SGI box with 100 SCSI controllers or so
15:02 < SMP> s,200,&0,
15:03 < SMP> the SGI folks did run XLV / XFS over a couple of hundred disks some years ago
15:03 < SMP> no SCSI RAID controller or anything
15:05 < fake> phew...
15:07 < [anders]> esden: the update seems to have removed a few things.. but nothing seems to have updated linux-header or similar..
15:07 < [anders]> :-?
15:07 < esden> hmm ... strange ... 
15:07 < esden> why removed ? ... it purged empty directorys ... that is ok ... I think
15:07 < esden> .
15:08 < [anders]> has the changes propagated through to anoncvs ?
15:08 < esden> [anders]: does the directory base-config/linux-header exist ?
15:09 < [anders]> esden: yes.. afaict
15:10 < esden> ok then run ./scripts/Puzzle and rerun the build ... then all should work (I hope)
15:10 < esden> you do not have to rebuild everything ... only run ./scripts/Build-All <option>
15:11 < [anders]> esden: that is what I had done..
15:11 < [anders]> and it still failed..
15:11 < [anders]> let me diff only linux-header in my tree and against CVS..
15:13 < [anders]> no difference between the two..
15:14 < [anders]> although running Puzzle yet again and then restarting the build worked..
15:15 < [anders]> this I do not understand.. I run Puzzle, I start the build, it fails, I run Puzzle again, restart the build and it works.. Can someone explain that one to me?
15:15 < esden> hmm ... strange ... I do not understand this
15:15 < [anders]> <aol>me too!>/aol>
15:15 < [anders]> erk </aol>
15:17 < esden> huebi: ???
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15:25 < Mike1> Moin
15:27 < [anders]> re Mike1 
15:27 < Mike1> [anders] :)
15:29 < [anders]> Mike1: I got that ISO thank you.. I will copy the sources into my tree shortly.. I want to get base+opt building through stage 3 first though.. Things has not been working well today...
15:30 < Mike1> [anders]: you are welcome
15:30 < Mike1> [anders]: feel free to get my base+opt iso too :)
15:33 < esden> Mike1: which arch was it ? intel  ?
15:33 < Mike1> hello esden
15:33 < esden> hi Mike1 
15:34 < esden> ;-)
15:34 < Mike1> esden: they are just the sources downloaded so they will work fine for any arch
15:34 < esden> hmm ... the kernel needs also a half eternity to compile an alpha ... >_<
15:35 < Mike1> i wish i had an alpha, even if i had to wait an eternity to compile the kernel :)
15:35 < esden> Mike1: ahh ok ... I do not think that it will work on all arches but that is an other story ;-)
15:35 < Mike1> esden: mmm... give it try :)
15:36 < Mike1> if it doesnt work i can iso for sparc too :)
15:37 < esden> Mike1: yes ok ... I have to fead my other alpha with rock and put it online ... then I can run one "fast" compile and one "slow" or test the images I make ... 
15:37 < esden> Mike1: thanks I have the sources now all together ... ;-)
15:38 < Mike1> esden: welcome :)
15:38 < esden> I would like to have a simmilar sources mirroring system like in 1.7 also in 1.5 .. but it is only really important when you get the sources the first time
15:39 < Mike1> thought no body gave a shit about it besides [anders] and huebi
15:39 < Mike1> yeah
15:39 < esden> Mike1: I think that is a good thing this iso's
15:39 < h0h0> hmm
15:39 < h0h0> Mike1: the grub readme says that it supports reiserfs :)
15:40 < esden> do nat bother ... when the isos get mirrored and onnounced then there will be enough rock newbies that will get them ...
15:40 < Mike1> h0h0: great so it
15:40 < esden> h0h0: that is good ... have you tested it ?
15:40 < Mike1> esden: hehe good thats what they are for
15:40 * h0h0 rebooted uselessly!
15:40 < Mike1> h0h0: lol
15:41 < esden> h0h0: lol
15:41 < Mike1> esden: i gave him the grub sources earlier today, the grub download location have been down for a few days now
15:41 < esden> I think I will put my alphas in a cluster ... for compiling ;-)
15:41 < Mike1> cool
15:42 < esden> Mike1: hmm ... that is no good ... 
15:42 < Mike1> ja i know
15:43 < Mike1> esden: will you be at 19c3?
15:45 < esden> Mike1: sure I will
15:46 < Mike1> is it easy to get a place to sleep over there?
15:46 < Mike1> $$
15:46 < esden> argh ... some network drivers have unresolved symbols on alpha ... that is stupid ... i start to ignore all the unresolved symbols orror messages from the kernel ... they become so frequent ... :-(
15:46 < esden> Mike1: yes very easy .. you sleep beside your machine ;-)
15:47 < Mike1> haha
15:47 < Mike1> i can seriously take a sleeping bag and sleep there?
15:47 < esden> Mike1: that is no joke ... most of us sleep in the hall
15:47 < Mike1> esden: good
15:47 < esden> Mike1: sure you can
15:47 < Mike1> what about food?
15:47 < Mike1> and places to take a shower and store ur bags
15:48 < esden> Mike1: there are pizza stores and other where you can get something to eat
15:48 < esden> no shower no bag storage ... 
15:49 < Mike1> so i dont take showers in 3 days???
15:49 < esden> but you can also go to someone who has a hotell and get a shower there ...
15:49 < fake> who needs showers?
15:49 < h0h0> 19c3?
15:49 < esden> fake: full ack ;-)
15:49 < Mike1> fake: lol
15:49 < esden> h0h0: yes
15:49 < h0h0> heh, everyone I know is going to h2k2
15:50 < esden> h0h0: 19 Chaos Computer Congress
15:50 < Mike1> esden: is stuff cheap there?
15:50 < h0h0> ah, ccc.
15:50 < h0h0> where is it?
15:50 < esden> h0h0: in berlin
15:50 < h0h0> oh. little far for me :)
15:51 < Mike1> i am willing to stay there for about 1 week do you think $2000 for expenses would be enought?
15:51 < esden> Mike1: hmm ... it depands to what you want to compare
15:51 < esden> Mike1: I can not tell ... no idea
15:51 < Mike1> i see
15:51 < Mike1> ok i will have to find it out
15:52 < esden> Mike1: yes ;-)
15:52 < Mike1> i am working hard to go 
15:52 < Mike1> i am sure we will have a lot of fun :-)
15:52 < esden> == 15:49:16 =[3]=> Building base package binutils [2.12.90.0.11 1.5.17_2002-07-08_09h20].
15:52 < esden> hmm ... natalie is advancing
15:52 < Mike1> esden: nice
15:53 < Mike1> go natalie !! :)
15:53 < esden> I still wait for minicom ... I really want to know if there is still the bug I have observed yesterday
15:54 < Mike1> what was it?
15:55 < h0h0> can you install rock linux from nothing but a floppy and a fast net connection?
15:55 < esden> non existant link from /usr/share/automake-1.6 to /usr/share/automake ... confused minicom ill configure scripts ... and some missing .po files in the po subdirectory of minicom made problems too ...
15:55 < Mike1> h0h0: you can build it from a floppy disk containing the rock sources
15:55 < Mike1> thats the beggining
15:56 < Mike1> also you need to have a linux distro instalaed to build rock with
15:56 < esden> h0h0: on debian it works almost without any problems ...
15:57 < esden> h0h0: but there is also an iso to build rock ... made by blindcoder ... but I do not know if huebi released his isos already
15:57 < Mike1> thought there is nothing like building rock with rock :)
15:58 < Mike1> esden: really?
15:58 < esden> Mike1: not really ... that is because nearly nobody is trying to compile rock on any other distro beside rock
15:59 < h0h0> so if I fuck my hd over, and I dont have a rock CD, can I install rock?
15:59 < esden> ok ... natalie is compiling gcc third time ...
15:59 < Mike1> i tryed to do it with splack Linux
15:59 < Mike1> it was a pain in the ass
15:59 < Mike1> h0h0: you mean a clean hd and only the sources on the floppy?
15:59 < esden> h0h0: no, but what distro you can?
16:00 < h0h0> Mike1: yeah
16:00 < esden> debian needs 6 disks or more to be installed on a clean system 
16:00 < Mike1> no you need a base system to work
16:00 < h0h0> esden: I have slackware on here right now, but It takes up my entire harddrive
16:01 < Mike1> http://soldc.sun.com/articles/sparcv9.pdf
16:01 < Mike1> h0h0: whats the size of your hard drive?
16:03 < h0h0> 10 gigs
16:03 * [anders] has been making patches to make ROCK build system work w/o alteration when using Debian as build base..
16:04 < Mike1> h0h0: slackware is not a good idea to work with to build rock i've found many issues with it 
16:04 < h0h0> ok, I just overwrote lilo, but im not going to reboot untill im sure I can save this machine
16:04 < Mike1> ofcourse it was slackware 8.0 havent tryed 8.1 and i guess wont ;)
16:05 < h0h0> Mike1: if I have an old rock cd, what can I do with it
16:05 < [anders]> mmmmm.. in stage 2 now.. 
16:05 < Mike1> h0h0: how old?
16:05 < h0h0> Mike1: six months
16:05 < [anders]> esden: did not get the same problem as before this time around..
16:05 < esden> [anders]: I have made some such patches too as I had debian on my alpha
16:06 < [anders]> esden: huebi have most of them now, I do not know when they will go in or if...
16:06 < Mike1> h0h0: the worst thing that can happen is the it dont boot
16:07 < [anders]> esden: I will go through the ext's as well in 1.5.17 and fix them as well..
16:07 < h0h0> Mike1: the cd?
16:07 < Mike1> in which case you can have a vmlinuz image that work, or you can just boot from cd, mount the rot partition and chroot on it
16:07 < esden> [anders]: that is good 
16:07 < [anders]> but I don't have cvs access to sourceforge to I will probably feed the fixes back through huebi.. :)
16:07 < [anders]> I am sure huebi doesn't mind.. ;-)
16:07 < h0h0> Mike1: I know I can probably save it, but im just wondering about if grub decides do `dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda`
16:08 < h0h0> and I loose my system, can I sucessfuly install rock?
16:08 < esden> [anders]: get the access then ... only write an email to pjotr prins ... and then you get access
16:08 < Mike1> h0h0: with ur old cd? yeah it should
16:08 < h0h0> and then I can update that old one to the latest?
16:08 < [anders]> esden: I might do that.. I'll see how much there is to do first..
16:08 < esden> [anders]: when you send patches to huebi it takes pretty long till they get applied ... 
16:08 < Mike1> [anders]: yeah create ur self an account in sourceforge than mail pjort prins
16:09 < esden> [anders]: ok ... that is the best way ... but creating a sf account is not a bad idea ... when you ask me
16:09 < Mike1> h0h0: yeah you can update the packages
16:09 < h0h0> ok, then I guess Ill go for it
16:09 < Mike1> or you can just download the latest iso
16:10 < [anders]> esden/Mike1: I'll get a sf account and then I can update ext's as and when I get chance..
16:10 < Mike1> [anders]: yeah i think that will work just fine for you
16:10 < Mike1> :)
16:11 < h0h0> ok, lets see if this works now
16:11 < h0h0> if Im not back in 5 minutes, blame grub
16:11 < Mike1> h0h0: sure :D
16:11 < Mike1> h0h0: we will
16:11 < Mike1> h0h0: you backed up ur files right?
16:11 < h0h0> oh right :)
16:11 < esden> is rxr somewhere around /
16:11 < esden> ?
16:12 < h0h0> /var/www, /home/hoho, /usr/pics, and that should be good.
16:14 < esden> pics ... yes ok ;-)
16:14 < h0h0> no no no, pics of my family (clothed) :)
16:14 < [anders]> h0h0: whatever you say mate.. ;-)
16:14 < h0h0> haha
16:15 < esden> h0h0: yes right ...
16:15 < esden> ;-)
16:15 < Mike1> h0h0: maybe you can lets see ur "clothed family" sometime
16:15 < Mike1> ;)
16:17 < snyke> m0h
16:17 < h0h0> If I return with my system intact, I will
16:18 < Mike1> lol
16:18 < Mike1> hi snyke
16:20 < h0h0> arg, why does it take so long to tar these files!
16:20 * Mike1 getting ready to start a clean build of 1.5.17
16:21 < Mike1> h0h0: maybe you have a big "family" and you have a lot of pics of then >_<
16:22 < h0h0> yes that must be the reason
16:22 < Mike1> :)
16:22 < Mike1> [anders]: you started a new build?
16:24 < [anders]> Mike1: it is in stage 3 now..
16:25 < Mike1> [anders]: building ext too?
16:25 < [anders]> I hope to have it complete successfully by tomorrow morning. 
16:25 < Mike1> [anders]: good :)
16:25 < [anders]> Mike1: Once base+opt builds cleanly, I will build the ext part as well.. :)
16:26 < [anders]> I have CPU to burn.. ;-D
16:27 < [anders]> it is building gcc this moment..
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16:29 < Mike1> re Freak
16:29 < Freak> re mike
16:40 < esden> hi Freak 
16:40 * Freak waves
16:48 < h0h0> arg, my home dir is 3 gigs
16:49 < h0h0> fuck this, 
16:50 < Freak> haha
16:50 < Freak> mine is 7,2
16:50 < Freak> >;)
16:51 < Freak> 1 user ;)
16:52 < h0h0> hmm
16:52 < h0h0> ok, here I go
16:53 < Mike1> cu h0h0
16:53 < h0h0> 5 minutes, or not, blame grub
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16:53 < esden> oh ipv6 ...
16:54 < Mike1> esden: ?
16:54 < rxr> hm - Konqueror-3.0.2 still crashes from time to time :-(
16:54 < Mike1> hi rxr
16:54 < rxr> hi Mike1 
16:55 < Mike1> rxr: crashes on 1.7 tree?
16:57 < rxr> Mike1: the konqueror from kde-3.0.2 crashes from time to time on my dRock system ... (but on others as well) ....
16:58 < esden> Mike1: "h0h0 [~hoho@3ffe:80ee:7c6:0:0:0:0:fe]"
16:58 < esden>                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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16:59 < rxr> h0h0: you hare on an ipv6 net ?
16:59 < h0h0> that was the most anticlimatic thing Ive ever done
16:59 < h0h0> rxr: yeah
16:59 < rxr> h0h0: where ?
16:59 < h0h0> ohio
16:59 < h0h0> tunnel broker
17:00 < h0h0> I was at least *somewhat* hopeing my system would get fucked and I could install rock
17:00 < esden> re h0h0 
17:02 < h0h0> what does re stand for agin?
17:02 < h0h0> I asked once and promptly forgot
17:03 < esden> h0h0: for REdoing something ... 
17:04 < h0h0> re-/joining
17:05 < Mike1> esden: strange thing huh?
17:06 < Mike1> rxr: i dont use kde so i cant tell 
17:06 < esden> Mike1: I first have seen "re hi" when someone said "hi" and someone other responded ... or when someone was rejoining
17:07 < esden> and it became abbrevated to a simple "re"
17:07 < Mike1> :)
17:10 * Mike1 loosing the fight against sleep 
17:11 < Mike1> shit it only 9am and i am falling sleep, i have to wait about 10 more hours to sleep :((
17:11 < esden> Mike1: coffe is not helping anymore ?
17:11 < Mike1> esden: no 
17:11 < Mike1> nothing
17:11 < esden> Mike1: how many hours are you already awake ?
17:11 < Mike1> i guess my body developed some kind of imunity for coffee or something
17:11 < Mike1> i wake up 3 hours ago
17:12 < h0h0> how long did you sleep?
17:12 < Mike1> and slept almost 5 hours
17:12 < Ge0rG> how about club mate?
17:12 < h0h0> heh
17:12 < Mike1> Ge0rG: no club mate here :(
17:12 < Ge0rG> then its time to get some ;)
17:12 * Mike1 looking for a beer
17:13 * h0h0 wants beer
17:13 * -> esden wants beer too
17:13 < Mike1> *g
17:13 < h0h0> whats the drinking age in germany
17:14 < Mike1> 3?
17:14 < Mike1> *g
17:14 < h0h0> ?
17:14 < WKaibigan> They are born with Steins in their hands in Germany ;-)
17:14 < Mike1> WKaibigan: hehe
17:14 < h0h0> bah.
17:14 < h0h0> mabey I will come to 19c3
17:15 < rxr> huebi: the browsable sourcecode seems to be rather old. 1.5.14 or so ... ???!?
17:15 < Mike1> h0h0: cool so we shall meet there
17:15 < rxr> huebi: the cvsweb doesn
17:15 < rxr> 't work 
17:16 < rxr> *: Where is online browseable 1.5 code ?
17:17 < Mike1> rxr: http://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/rock-1.5/
17:17 < rxr> tnx Mike1 
17:17 < rxr> I now downloaded the last snap ...
17:18 < Mike1> rxr: have fun
17:18 < esden> h0h0: only in bavaria is it so ...
17:18 < h0h0> is what so?
17:18 < rxr> where is aboot in 1.5 ?
17:18 < rxr> No aboot in 1.5?
17:18 < esden> ahh that was WKaibigan not you h0h0 
17:19 < h0h0> ok
17:19 < Mike1> rxr: no
17:19 < Mike1> sorry yes
17:19 < rxr> Mike1: why ?
17:19 < Mike1> its in the base
17:19 < WKaibigan> Here in Wales, we get fed beer via the umbilical cord whilst we are still in the womb :-)
17:20 < Mike1> rxr: 
17:20 < Mike1> [root@marte rock-src-1.5.17]# find -name *aboot*
17:20 < Mike1> ./base-config/aboot
17:20 < Mike1> ./base-config/aboot/aboot.conf
17:20 < Mike1> ./base-config/aboot/aboot.desc
17:20 < Mike1> ./base-config/aboot/aboot.pz
17:20 < Mike1> ./base-config/aboot/aboot.setup
17:20 < Mike1> ./base-archive/aboot
17:20 < Mike1> ./base-archive/aboot/aboot-0.9.tar.bz2
17:20 < Mike1> [root@marte rock-src-1.5.17]# find -name *aboot*
17:20 < Mike1> </flood>
17:22 < Mike1> rxr: also i sent a mail to the rock list with urls to get the package sources isos if you wish to use them
17:22 < rxr> Mike1: no I do not need them ... - but why do you use an ISO ? single files are much more useable - and reduse traffic, because you can manually select which onces you need ...
17:23 < Mike1> rxr: was an idea, i could easily upload my tree
17:24 < rxr> esden: I added aboot to 1.7
17:24 < esden> rxr: ok ...
17:24 < Mike1> rxr: some people i know still connects through dial up, and they want to build rock but it takes forever to download everyfile 
17:25 < esden> rxr: I first have to get curl running on alpha >_<
17:25 < rxr> into the freshly created alpha repository ;-)
17:25 < rxr> esden: btw: we have now arround "464 active packages" on an intel build ;-)
17:26 < esden> rxr: cool ... that is pretty good count
17:27 < rxr> (I have added aboot so I have another repository for the list in the LInux Magazin ;-)
17:29 < esden> rxr: looool ... you are cool ... *lough*
17:29 < rxr> ;-)
17:29 < esden> rxr: I wanted to add aboot some time ago ... but because curl was not running I left it ... 
17:29 < rxr> I should also write the Create-CD script so I do not have to mention that it is not yet updated ;-)
17:33 < fake> th: the IGA1682 _is_ capable of 75Hz, and 65k colors at 1024x768
17:33 < th> hmm
17:33 < fake> th: i'm digging deeper now
17:33 < th> fake: _should_ be even capable of 80Hz
17:34 < th> fake: SMP, Ge0rG and me only get 60Hz
17:34 < fake> th: not according to the HOT-15x Satasheet
17:34 < th> fake: ahh ok
17:34 < fake> th: me too. i was mistaken
17:34 < fake> Datasheet
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17:34 < th> fake: would be great if you achieve better frequencies
17:35 * rxr repoiting into 2.4.19-rc1 - cu
17:36 < fake> th: now that i saw X oat 60 Hz, Freqency is my primary goal
17:36 < th> hehe
17:36 < th> great
17:36 < Ge0rG> ,oO( or getting a TFT display for the krups )
17:37 < Ge0rG> maybe I shouldn't tell this too loud, but TFTs look great at 60Hz...
17:37 < fake> TFTs look great if they are for free
17:37 < [anders]> Ge0rG: they look pretty good at 85Hz as well... ;-)
17:39 < fake> IGS Mode Nr. for 1024x768@75Hz-16bit is 0x52
17:39 < th> fake: you could try to set it with rdev
17:40 < th> but i think this won't work
17:40 < esden> fake: then get one ... from a bank ... there always are standing so many of these displays ;-)
17:40 < fake> rdev?
17:40 < rxr> re
17:40 < fake> esden: my way of defining "free" does not involve criminal activities.
17:40 < Ge0rG> btw, XFree only mentions the 1682 as a known PCI device - there seems to be no driver support at all
17:41 < rxr> [anders]: most TFT will not display 85 Hz ...
17:41 < fake> Ge0rG: only Framebuffer
17:41 < Ge0rG> fake: framebuffer X sucks
17:43 < fake> Ge0rG: no X sucks even more.
17:43 < th> ack
17:43 < fake> i already tried to build microwindows/nano-X
17:44 < fake> no-go
17:45 < fake> they don't even mention sparc
17:45 < esden> fake: who was talking here about criminal activitys ... ?
17:45 < Mike1> rxr: any new snapshot coming over soon?
17:46 < Mike1> 1.7 tree
17:46 < fake> esden: not me :P
17:46 < esden> fake: me nither :P
17:47 < rxr> Mike1: I can not upload snaps - you can rsync my 1.7 tree ...
17:47 < rxr> Or I could upload a 1.7 snap onto my drocklinux.dyndns.org server ...
17:47 < Mike1> rxr: 
17:47 < rxr> yes ?
17:48 < Mike1> no its ok gimme ur server and rsync module to get it
17:48 < rxr> rsync://drocklinux.dyndns.org/rock
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17:49 < fake> *aaargh*
17:49 < fake> i'm home.
17:49 < fake> l8er.
17:50 * Mike1 rsyncing rxr tree
17:50 < Mike1> cu fake
17:50 < esden> cu fake 
17:51 < [anders]> rxr: pretty sure my Samsung TFT at home does 85Hz max refresh-rate
17:51 < rxr> [anders]: ;-) most cheaper onces will not do such high rates ...
17:52 < [anders]> rxr: now that I will agree with.. :)
17:52 < rxr> ;-)
17:53 < [anders]> pretty sure my laptop screen will do 85Hz as well.. Same screen as the new Dell Precision M50
17:53 < Mike1> rxr: i got it thanks
17:54 < rxr> ;-)
17:59 < Mike1> rxr: no subdists on 1.7?
18:02 < rxr> Mike1: Do you take your first look onto 1.7 ?
18:03 < Mike1> rxr: i had look at it long time ago when i attempted to build on sparc64
18:03 < rxr> Mike1: no subdists.
18:03 < Mike1> rxr: wanna give me quick tour on 1.7?
18:03 < Mike1> *g
18:03 < rxr> They became the targets - which can modify the build in many more ways ...
18:04 < rxr> Mike1: I really have no time for a full tour ...
18:04 < rxr> Take a look into the Documentation dir
18:04 < Mike1> rxr: ok :((
18:04 < Mike1> i am on it right now
18:04 < rxr> http://drocklinux.dyndns.org/rene/files/rock-sketch.jpg
18:04 < rxr> ^- Overview
18:05 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.org/people/rene/rock-talk/0.html
18:05 < Mike1> lol nice thanks
18:05 < rxr> ^- my slides from Linux Tag ...
18:05 < rxr> (cut'n pasten in 50 minutes ....)
18:12 < Mike1> rxr: have you ever thought about porting rock to other languages besides english?
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18:13 < Mike1> re Ge0rG
18:13 < Ge0rG> re
18:13 < rxr> Mike1: ?
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18:14 < Mike1> rxr: like having multilanguage install shell
18:14 < Mike1> and of course having the documentation in other languages too
18:14 < rxr> Yes the new install_shell will have i18n
18:14 < Mike1> nice
18:14 < rxr> You are free to translate it. ;-) I think the guide is available in other languages ...
18:15 < Mike1> rxr: actually yeah i did guide in spanish about a year ago
18:15 < Mike1> :)
18:15 < Mike1> what about the install_shell?
18:17 < rxr> Some lines above I sayed that the new instalL_$(whatever) will be multi lingual ;-)
18:17 < Mike1> yeah how can i help?
18:18 < Mike1> or someone already taking care of spanish?
18:18 < rxr> Hm. Waiting until we have the install target finished - and finished the general cleanup - so we have the time to start the new install system ...
18:18 < Mike1> oh .. k
18:18 < rxr> Mike1: when the install_xyz is useable we will notice you to translate it ;-)
18:19 < Mike1> rxr: will be an honor :)
18:19 < rxr> ,-)
18:19 < Mike1> by now there could be a dir under Documentation named Spanish
18:20 < Mike1> there i could store the Documentation files in spanish
18:20 < Mike1> but thats of course just an idea, 
18:23 < esden> argh ... I have to write a script that is removing all source tarballs that are to old ... from a rocklinux build tree ...
18:23 < esden> or is there something like that ?
18:23 < esden> I mean in the 1.7 tree
18:24 < Mike1> esden: i dunno i am just starting to hang around 1.7
18:25 < esden> Mike1: I know ;-) ... but perhups rxr can aswer this question ?
18:25 < Mike1> :)
18:25 < [anders]> bah.. building qt.. my box will be almost dead for an hour more now..
18:26 < Mike1> qt takes forver :((
18:26 < fake> re.
18:26 < Mike1> s/forver/forever
18:26 < Mike1> re fake
18:26 < WKaibigan> Anybody compiled grip at all?
18:27 < esden> re fake 
18:27 < esden> fake: could you send me the crosscompile doc ? and/or the url?
18:28 < Mike1> WKaibigan: thats an extension i will work it tonight or tomorrow
18:28 < esden> grip ???
18:29 < WKaibigan> I see it is marked with an asterix in the package descriptions which means there was a problem with it. Just tried to compile it now and it can't find libhttp even though it is installed.
18:29 < fake> esden: second
18:29 < WKaibigan> esden:grip is a CD ripper program.
18:30 < fake> howto-croscc-sparc.h in my home @apollo
18:30 < Mike1> WKaibigan: 1.5.17??
18:30 < [anders]> in any case.. going home now..
18:30 < rxr> esden: ./scripts/Download -list-unknown | cut -d ' ' -f 3 | xargs rm -v
18:30 < rxr> (or so)
18:30 < [anders]> talk to ou guys later.. :)
18:31 < Mike1> cu [anders]
18:31 < WKaibigan> Nope. I have 1.5.16 here,
18:32 < esden> rxr: hmm ... that is ok thanks
18:32 < Mike1> WKaibigan: mmm... i havent build any extensions yet so will only be able to help you tomorrow i guess
18:33 < esden> WKaibigan: ahh ok ... I use rip and I am very happy with it
18:33 * -> esden uses console tools where it is possible
18:33 < WKaibigan> What I want is a ripper that also converts to MP3 and grip was the first I saw.
18:33 < esden> I only can not run mozilla in an xterm ;-)
18:34 < WKaibigan> Ok cheers Mike1. 
18:34 < esden> WKaibigan: rip also converts to mp3 but also to ogg/vorbis
18:34 < WKaibigan> Does rip use Lame?
18:34 < esden> WKaibigan: yes
18:35 < WKaibigan> Off to find rip then :-)
18:35 < esden> but it can also many other encoders
18:35 < esden> +use
18:35 < Mike1> WKaibigan: i think there was another ano named 123mp3
18:36 < fake> esden: saw it?
18:36 < esden> fake: not yet ... I have to get quikly to my train
18:36 < esden> cu l8er
18:36 < fake> i mean wether you saw my line ;-)
18:36 < fake> that is in my home dir
18:40 < WKaibigan> Got rip installed but I think I am missing some modules from perl.
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18:43 < xayk> does anyone know what source package manager should i start using(i only used rpm until now)
18:44 < h0h0> checkinstall
18:46 < WKaibigan> Tis Ok nice rip owner had ioluded the required perl modules. :-)
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19:04 < huebi> re
19:04 * huebi is awake again. 4h of sleep... ;-)
19:06 < huebi> blindcoder: Can you give me the URL of your Build CD scripts again?
19:08 < Mike1> welcome back master huebi
19:12 < huebi> hi Mike1 ;-)
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19:38 < fake> hm...
19:38 < fake> something weird is happening
19:39 < Mike1> fake: ?
19:39 < fake> esden should never be disconnected
19:40 < Mike1> fake: well there is "esden_" yet
19:41 < huebi> fake: "Mathilda in the middle" atack?
19:41 < fake> *LOL*
19:42 * Mike1 rewriting rock router subdist
19:43 < fake> but mathilda is detectable.
19:43 < fake> she sets the "MOO" Flag
19:44 < rxr> ene@jackson:~/rock-article > wc rock-article.txt
19:44 < rxr>     172     899    6511 rock-article.txt
19:45 < fake> a own directory for one file? ;-)
19:45 < rxr> no + pictures ....
19:46 < rxr> This should be nearly the half of the article ....
19:46 < fake> binary txt ? *g*
19:46 < rxr> jups pretty binary text ;-)
19:49 < fake> .comment ;-))
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19:52 < owl> hi
19:52 < fake> hi owl
19:53 < huebi> moin owl
19:53 < owl> moin fake && huebi :)
19:54 < Mike1> Hallo owl
20:08 < [anders]> re
20:09 < [anders]> it's still building Qt... *argh*
20:10 < Mike1> re [anders]
20:10 < huebi> [anders]: 94 mins or so...
20:10 < [anders]> huebi: any news? :)
20:10 < Mike1> [anders]: it took me more than 6 hours to build qt on a pIII 500MHZ
20:10 < [anders]> huebi: that's on your box.. I only have one CPU... :)
20:11 < [anders]> *faint*
20:11 < huebi> [anders]: jo. I just build in your patches.
20:11 < [anders]> Mike1: Well, I have a XP1900+ so should be a bit faster than that.. :)
20:11 < huebi> [anders]: aszlig then the time doubles...
20:11 < [anders]> 1.6GHz..
20:11 < huebi> -azlig
20:11 < [anders]> huebi: patches was okay then?
20:12 < huebi> [anders]: yes it looks good. I'm still on that.
20:15 < SMP> fsck ACPI
20:15 < fake> SMP: ACK
20:15 -!- thalerim [~tobrit@pD9E4984B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:15 < huebi> SMP: hehe. ACK
20:15 < huebi> moin thalerim 
20:15 < [anders]> huebi: glad to hear there was nothing wrong with them.. First time I have been submitting patches back to anybody so of course anxious to get them right.. I think you know what I mean.. :)
20:15 < [anders]> SMP: ack
20:15 < [anders]> re SMP fake thalerim 
20:16 < thalerim> moin 
20:16 < Mike1> <wallace> to install gentoo, is harder than rock, but the documentation is very good
20:16 < [anders]> thalerim: either you are in a far away place corner of the world, or your biological clock needs NTP help... ;-)
20:16 < Mike1> is this true??
20:17 < [anders]> .oO( assuming that 'moin' in fact means 'good morning' )
20:18 < SMP> Mike1: easy <-> hard is absolutely relative ;>
20:19 < Mike1> SMP: hehe :)
20:19 < SMP> Mike1: I always found ROCK to be very easy to install. someone who has just completed his first Linux install with SuSE e.g. will differ
20:19 < huebi> SMP: ACK.
20:19 < Mike1> <wallace> it is very easy for a rocklinux user ;)
20:19 < Mike1> <wallace> but if you compare it with suse, it is hard
20:19 < Mike1> *g
20:20 < SMP> heck, OpenBSD is even easier than ROCK ;->
20:20 < [anders]> Hmm.. I moved from SuSE to ROCK...
20:20 < [anders]> and never would I move back.. :)
20:20 < rxr> also gentoo is really time consuming to install, because they compile all non-baes packages at this time ...
20:20 < Mike1> hehe i moved from Slackware to ROCK
20:21 < rxr> s/this time/install time/
20:21 < Mike1> SMP: i guess you have to get used to it
20:21 < [anders]> Now I have picked up Debian as a 2nd distribution to use.. It is just easier to install on a blank box if you have no media and just the boot floppies..
20:21 < [anders]> network installs rule..
20:21 < [anders]> rxr: isn't that how old Slackware used to work?
20:22 < fake> [anders]: implement it ;P
20:22 < Mike1> i was always told that rock was for insanes but once i tried it i loved it 
20:22 < Mike1> and it seens very easy :)
20:22 < rxr> [anders]: really? dunno ...
20:22 < Mike1> [anders]: they still have that
20:22 < [anders]> fake: would require dedicated servers with lots of space... I might think about it if I get a spare box I can co-locate with plenty of free bandwidth..
20:23 < thalerim> [anders]: nope. 'moin' is a salutation-word used mainly in the region around Ostfriesland... and they say it at every daytime
20:23 < rxr> thalerim: ack
20:24 < [anders]> == 16:49:56 =[3]=> Building base package qt [3.0.4 1.5.17-private].
20:24 < [anders]> == 19:21:26 07/10/02 =[3]=> Finished building package qt.
20:24 < rxr> [anders]: what CPU ?
20:24 < Mike1> [anders]: hehe :)
20:24 < [anders]> thalerim: aaahh.. okay.. :)
20:24 < [anders]> rxr: Athlon XP1900+ w. 512MB RAM
20:25 < rxr> [anders]: qt should only need less than one hour !!!
20:25 * rxr phoning
20:25 < thalerim> [anders]: and moin is the standard greeting every rocklinux user should use! :-)
20:25 < huebi> rxr: your information is outdated. th changed qt to compile all libs
20:26 < Mike1> rxr: qt took more than 6 hours for me on Intel pIII 500MHZ 256RAM
20:26 < [anders]> thalerim: ;-)
20:27 < thalerim> even Mike1 does use it, and Mike1 isn't a German as far as I know or is he assimilated by Mathilda already?
20:28 * SMP getting surprisingly tired
20:28 < Mike1> thalerim: i am Costa Rica, Mathilda and i are just close friends :)
20:29 < thalerim> you are a isle ????
20:29 < Mike1> thalerim: no
20:29 < fake> www.epanorama.net rulez
20:29 < Mike1> its a small country in central america
20:29 < thalerim> does not interest :P
20:29 < Mike1> thalerim: ok
20:30 < thalerim> Mike1: for me you are just Mike1 :-)
20:31 < thalerim> eeh and sorry for my bad geographic knowledge, indeed it's the only lacking field of knowledge
20:32 < Mike1> thalerim: no problem in this world there are no countrys just channels :)
20:32 < thalerim> I do not know well my city where I live... actually :-)
20:32 < Mike1> unf here we are all like family
20:32 < Mike1> s/unf/and
20:32 < thalerim> like a family with a cow
20:33 < rxr> huebi: what "all libs" ?
20:33 < Mike1> thalerim: yes
20:35 < huebi> rxr: here is the diff: http://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/qt/qt.conf.diff?r1=text&tr1=1.10&r2=text&tr2=1.11&diff_format=h
20:40 < rxr> huebi: could you explain in words ?
20:40 < rxr> huebi: urgs#
20:41 < rxr> where did you got this idea from?
20:42 < huebi> rxr: th had the idea.
20:42 < huebi> rxr: What do you think about it?
20:43 < SMP> what's wrong with that? I do see packages want to use qt-mt
20:43 < SMP> one might question the static lib though
20:44 < huebi> and qt-mt was a link to qt-non-mt
20:44 < WKaibigan> Mike1:Just to let you know, I have grip working now. Downloaded the latest libghttp and installed that and grip's configure script then found it and worked :-)
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20:47 < Mike1> WKaibigan: excellent! have fun ripping :)
20:47 < rxr> huebi: where did you got this idea from?
20:47 < SMP> rxr: 20:42| < huebi> rxr: th had the idea.
20:47 < rxr> SMP: thanks
20:47 < SMP> 20:43| < SMP> what's wrong with that? I do see packages want to use qt-mt
20:47 < SMP> 20:43| < SMP> one might question the static lib though
20:48 < huebi> 20:42 < huebi> rxr: What do you think about it?
20:48 < rxr> I do not like this.
20:48 < [anders]> isapnptools and modules gone from base-config? that safe?
20:48 < rxr> SMP: yes this is waste of time and space!
20:48 < huebi> rxr: Why?
20:48 < rxr> isapnptools are obsolete
20:48 < rxr> modules are in linux now ...
20:49 < SMP> anyone using libqt.a should be shot
20:49 < [anders]> rxr: I would prefer it if the threaded qt lib was built and the plain qt lib was symlinked to the threaded one.. not the other way around..
20:49 < rxr> huebi: because I do not want to waste that much CPU time and disk space for static versions never used ...
20:49 < [anders]> SMP: tell Opera that..
20:49 < rxr> [anders]: yes - this is the way dRock and 1.7 do it
20:49 < rxr> KDE even NEEDS the -mt version !
20:50 < [anders]> humma.. I would like to paste about 10 lines about a build failure..
20:50 < [anders]> that ok with ppl here?
20:50 < huebi> ok
20:50 < [anders]> == 19:47:57 =[3]=> Building base package libgtop [1.0.13 1.5.17-private].
20:50 < [anders]> Pkg-Config: patches libgtop.desc done.
20:50 < [anders]> Building. Writing output to /var/adm/logs/3-libgtop.out
20:50 < [anders]> > perl ./guile.pl < ../../features.def > gnc-t
20:50 < [anders]> > mv gnc-t guile.c
20:50 < [anders]> > guile-snarf -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -D_IN_LIBGTOP -D_GNU_SOU ..
20:50 < [anders]> > make[3]: *** [guile.x] Error 1
20:50 < [anders]> > make[3]: Leaving directory `/rock-linux/src/libgtop-1.0.13/sysdeps/g ..
20:50 < [anders]> > make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
20:50 < [anders]> > make[2]: Leaving directory `/rock-linux/src/libgtop-1.0.13/sysdeps'
20:50 < [anders]> > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
20:50 < [anders]> > make[1]: Leaving directory `/rock-linux/src/libgtop-1.0.13'
20:50 < [anders]> > make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
20:50 < [anders]> /var/adm/logs/3-libgtop.out -> 3-libgtop.err
20:50 < [anders]> == 19:48:49 07/10/02 =[3]=> Aborted building package libgtop.
20:50 < [anders]> </flood>
20:51 < [anders]> So libgtop seems to have a little bit of a problem.. guile seems to have built ok however...
20:51 < huebi> [anders]: can you upload var/adm/logs/3-libgtop.err to rocklinux.dyndns.org?
20:51 < [anders]> huebi: want me to DCC it to you?
20:51 < huebi> [anders]: ok
20:52 < [anders]> huebi: sending..
20:53 < huebi> I got it.
20:53 < [anders]> huebi: cheers.. I don't quite get this one.. most of libgtop seems to build OK..
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20:55 < huebi> rxr, SMP, th: So what is your opinion about qt? should there be build only qt-mt and ln -s qt-mt -> qt-non-mt? And the .a should not be build anymore?
20:57 < SMP> I'm fine with the way it is now. cheating with the mt versions is not ok. libqt.a is rather exotic, but why not ...
20:58 < [anders]> rxr, SMP, th, huebi: or should the settings for what gets built in qt be settable via ./scripts/Config ?
20:58 < [anders]> a switch to build libqt.a on/off ?
20:58 < SMP> well, we don't quite have the infrastructure for that in 1.5
20:58 < Mike1> [anders]: good idea
20:59 < [anders]> I think we want both qt.so and qt-mt.so..
20:59 < [anders]> qt.a - perhaps less so..
20:59 < rxr> [anders]: NOT in 1.5. This are too drastic changes - that are in 1.7 !!!
20:59 < huebi> rxr: ACK
20:59 < rxr> [anders]: ack
21:00 < [anders]> Okay.. so we leave that to 1.7, still question stands about 1.5, what to do..
21:00 < huebi> what about an extension for libqt.a?
21:00 < [anders]> qt.so and qt-mt.so but not qt.a ?
21:00 < rxr> huebi: This might be better ...
21:00 < [anders]> huebi: good idea! :)
21:01 * Mike1 away for lunch
21:02 < huebi> ok. So do you all argee with qt-mt.so and qt-non-mt.so in base and qt-mt.a and qt-non-mt.a as an extension?
21:02 < rxr> huebi: yes this would be MUCH better
21:02 < rxr> although I think a non-mt is not needed ...
21:03 < huebi> rxr: is allways qt-mt used in rock?
21:03 < [anders]> huebi: ack
21:04 < rxr> huebi: in dRock and 1.7 yes.
21:04 < rxr> We never had a non-mt ...
21:05 < huebi> rxr: for what could qt-non-mt be needed then?
21:05 -!- uninvited [~uninvited@p50802F8A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:05 < uninvited> hiya
21:05 < huebi> moin uninvited 
21:05 < uninvited> irssi | putty | ssh
21:05 < uninvited> ups
21:05 < fake> hi uninvited - ps2?
21:05 < uninvited> neun
21:06 * fake awaiting NAK
21:06 < fake> neun euro? nehm ich.
21:06 < uninvited> Nein.
21:06 < uninvited> Stop.
21:06 < uninvited> Wie lange brauchst du die ?
21:07 < uninvited> Ich krieg sie maximal ne Woche
21:07 < uninvited> Länger gibt er sie net her
21:07 < fake> uninvited: dann lass es.
21:07 < uninvited> Okay
21:07 < fake> ich muesste das Linux Kit reinkaufen...
21:07 < uninvited> Ich kann mich ja weiter umhören.
21:07 < fake> ohne ps2 bringt das dann ncht mehr viel
21:07 < uninvited> aso
21:07 < fake> und eine Woche duefrte etwa ein compile sein ;)
21:07 < uninvited> hehehe
21:07 < fake> uninvited: waer cool.
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21:08 < uninvited> 21:08 [ aszlig    ] [ fake  ] [ huebi] [ rolla  ] [ snyke   ] [ WKaibigan]
21:08 < uninvited> 21:08 [ blindcoder] [ Freak ] [ Mike1] [ rxr    ] [ th      ]
21:08 < uninvited> 21:08 [ coldie    ] [ Ge0rG ] [ owl  ] [ simon- ] [ thalerim]
21:09 < uninvited> 21:08 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 22 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 22 normal]
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21:09 < uninvited> 21:08 < uninvited> hiya
21:09 < uninvited> 21:08 < huebi> moin uninvited
21:09 < uninvited> 21:09 < uninvited> irssi | putty | ssh
21:09 < fake> ...
21:09 < uninvited> 21:09 < uninvited> ups
21:09 < uninvited> 21:09 < fake> hi uninvited - ps2?
21:09 < uninvited> 21:09 < uninvited> neun
21:09 < uninvited> 21:09  * fake awaiting NAK
21:09 < uninvited> 21:10 < fake> neun euro? nehm ich.
21:09 < uninvited> 21:10 < uninvited> Nein.
21:09 < uninvited> 21:10 < uninvited> Stop.
21:09 < uninvited> 21:10 < uninvited> Wie lange brauchst du die ?
21:09 < uninvited> 21:10 < uninvited> Ich krieg sie maximal ne Woche
21:09 < uninvited> 21:10 < uninvited> Länger gibt er sie net her
21:09 < uninvited> 21:10 < fake> uninvited: dann lass es.
21:09 < uninvited> 21:10 < uninvited> Okay
21:09 < uninvited> 21:10 < fake> ich muesste das Linux Kit reinkaufen...
21:09 < uninvited> 21:11 < uninvited> Ich kann mich ja weiter umhören.
21:09 < fake> replay in slow-motion ?
21:09 < uninvited> 21:11 < fake> ohne ps2 bringt das dann ncht mehr viel
21:09 < thalerim> RST 
21:09 < uninvited> 21:11 < uninvited> aso
21:09 < thalerim> RST
21:09 < uninvited> 21:11 < fake> und eine Woche duefrte etwa ein compile sein ;)
21:09 < uninvited> 21:11 < uninvited> hehehe
21:10 < uninvited> 21:11 < fake> uninvited: waer cool.
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21:10 < fake> *LOOOL*
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21:10 < fake> *rewind*
21:10 < uninvited> 21:08 [Users #rocklinux]
21:10 < uninvited> 21:08 [ [anders]  ] [ esden_] [ h0h0 ] [ praenti] [ SMP     ] [ uninvited]
21:10 < Ge0rG> how about /part or /ban?
21:10 < uninvited> 21:08 [ aszlig    ] [ fake  ] [ huebi] [ rolla  ] [ snyke   ] [ WKaibigan]
21:10 < uninvited> 21:08 [ blindcoder] [ Freak ] [ Mike1] [ rxr    ] [ th      ]
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21:10 < fake> Ge0rG: O/0
21:10 < h0h0> la de da
21:11 < Ge0rG> fake: division by zero error ;)
21:12 < [anders]> err, uninvited trying to boost IRC stats? :-D
21:13 < fake> Why I Do Not Use IRSSI, Chapter One.
21:14 < rxr> huebi: is your 1.5 site mirrored on the rocklinux.de server ?
21:21 < [anders]> fake: irssi isn't bad.. same things can happen with ircii or bitchx
21:21 < fake> [anders] yeah yeah. that's what irssi users say ;)
21:23 < [anders]> fake: *grin*
21:23 < [anders]> you know I use irssi.. :)
21:23 < [anders]> huebi: when was libgtop updated last?
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21:29 < rxr> esden_: are you here ?
21:31 < [anders]> kerfuffel..
21:32 < [anders]> /me is not going to work more on the rock build tonight. I will carry on working on it in the morning and in the meantime I will go to bed and watch TV. there is a Bond film on tonight.. :)
21:32 < rxr> [anders]: ;-) Have fun.#
21:36 < Mike1> huebi: so what are you guys going to do with qt-non-mt?
21:37 < [anders]> rxr: ta.. :)
21:37 < thalerim> [anders]: kerfuffel sounds interesting... can you eat that ??
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21:37 < [anders]> thalerim: it is a non-word.. sounds good when frustrated though.. :-D
21:37 < [anders]> re netcrow 
21:38 < Mike1> hi netcrow
21:38 < [anders]> have a nice evening all, I will be back in the morning.. And that is not a threat, it is a promise. (Unless I for some reason end up in hospital or worse..)
21:38 < thalerim> [anders]: i see, I suppose it's the word used when a emacs' user comprehend that emacs sucks 
21:38 < thalerim> :-P
21:39 < Mike1> [anders]: n8 :)
21:39 < thalerim> gn8 [anders]
21:39 < thalerim> kerfuffel.. mhmm
21:40 < [anders]> thalerim: oh' behave...
21:40 < [anders]> night night.. :)
21:40 < rxr> cu [anders] 
21:41 < thalerim> And now ... PAAAARTY ... the emacs Evil isn't here till tomorrow..
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21:48 < rxr> arghhhhh - what is my sucking provider doing today ???????????_
21:52 < Mike1> rxr: sucking i guess :)
21:52 < rxr> jups - sucking all the cables lying arround I guess. Stupid people ....
21:52 < thalerim> hehe, wait a moment
21:52 < rxr> thalerim: ?
21:53 < Mike1> rxr: you would love to deal a costarrican ISP named racsa
21:53 < thalerim> you probably mean something ala http://windinux.de/grafix/kabel.jpg
21:54 < Mike1> If one of their nodes go down (which very often) you call for asistance and tehy tell you that person in charge of that is on vacation and can be reached after 3 weeks
21:54 < rxr> pfrrrr ;-) *lol*
21:54 * rxr kringelt sich auf dem Boden ;-)
21:55 < thalerim> *gg* take a look at the acutal site
21:55 < thalerim> actual
21:57 < rxr> Hehe:
21:57 < rxr> http://windinux.de/grafix/poppen.jpg
21:57 < rxr> I saw this a few days ago in our University's Informatic studens relax room ;-)
21:57 < thalerim> typically rxr... i thought you have a girl friend now ??
21:57 < Mike1> thalerim: i think i like http://www.fuckmicrosoft.com better than an anti linux site :)
21:57 < rxr> -- typos
21:58 < rxr> thalerim: yes I have - but she is holidaying
21:58 < thalerim> Mike1: you can't German, that's the miss ... It's a fake site .. run a sed -e 's,Windows,Linux' -e 's,Linux,Windows'
21:58 < thalerim> and everything is fine :)
21:59 < Mike1> thalerim: lol
22:04 < thalerim> Mike1: at the latest on "10 reasons for Windows" your eyes must be puffed up
22:05 < Mike1> lol
22:06 < rxr> lol
22:09 < esden_> hi all
22:11 < thalerim> moin esden_
22:11 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@pD9E507CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
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22:11 < esden> ok now much better ;-)
22:11 < rxr> ;-) hi esden 
22:11 < esden> hi rxr 
22:11 < rxr> esden: eine sekunde zeit ?
22:12 < esden> rxr: ja sicher ... fuer dich immer ;-)
22:13 < chrisime> hallo esden
22:13 < chrisime> esden: hehe, die letzten 3 tage assembler total! und jetzt bin ich der ueberchecker ;-))
22:14 < esden> ich bin mommentan auch die ganze zeit am assembler coden ... fuer dei MI versteht sich @ chrisime 
22:15 * -> esden is a VAX assembler junkey
22:16 < chrisime> lol
22:16 < chrisime> esden: www.gnome.de/tgi/calc-chr.asm
22:16 < chrisime> ich brauch grad mal 2 register in der ersten schleife
22:16 < chrisime> die 2. schreib ich jetzt um
22:17 < chrisime> ich muss mit floating points rummachen
22:17 < chrisime> und da die x86 so ne tolle cpu is, suckt das gewaltig
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22:23 < bluefire> hello
22:24 < rxr> chrisime: hehe FP mit x86 ist wirklich zum Kotzen ;-)
22:25 < chrisime> jo
22:25 < chrisime> rxr: das sind helden
22:25 < chrisime> 8 mikrige register
22:25 < esden> chrisime: ich weiss ... dass es sucked
22:25 < chrisime> die noch dazu als stack organisiert sind
22:25 < chrisime> das sind penner
22:25 < esden> vax ist viel besser ...
22:26 < chrisime> ja
22:26 < chrisime> aber auch cisc
22:26 < chrisime> dafuer isses ne schoene dreiregistermaschine
22:26 < esden> ich muss mir endlich den assembler von alpha anschauen
22:26 < esden> chrisime: mi hat 15 ...
22:26 < chrisime> ja
22:26 < chrisime> esden: ich weiss
22:26 < chrisime> esden: ich hatte schon info3
22:26 < esden> chrisime: gut ;-)
22:26 < chrisime> :P
22:26 < chrisime> 3 * 15
22:26 < esden> chrisime: :P angeber
22:26 < chrisime> oder 4 sogar
22:27 < chrisime> wenn du vier cpus hast
22:27 < chrisime> wobei es insg. 16 sind
22:27 < esden> chrisime: ich darf bis jetzt nur mit einem processor rumspielen
22:27 < chrisime> aber 2 sind quasi reserviert
22:27 < chrisime> esden: ich hab den richtigen vax asm gesehen
22:27 < chrisime> da is der vom simu ne wohltat
22:31 < esden> ja ... ich glaube es ...
22:31 < esden> ich finde die adressierung so dermassen krank ... 
22:31 < esden> dass ist null intuitiv
22:32 < chrisime> naja
22:33 < chrisime> move !!R2/R1/, !(4+!R3)
22:33 < chrisime> das doch schoen
22:33 < chrisime> *renn*
22:33 < esden> chrisime: ich erschlage dich *nachlauf*
22:33 < chrisime> lol
22:33 < chrisime> sowas kannst in x86 nicht machen
22:33 < chrisime> da  musst ewig drumrumbauen
22:34 < chrisime> ich konnte z.b. net schreiben mov ecx,eax+4
22:34 < chrisime> das is mist
22:34 < chrisime> der x86 kann nix
22:34 < esden> chrisime: ja .. ist schon klar ... also unter dem gesichtspunkt ist der vax processor geil
22:35 < esden> aber ich bin sicher da gibt es bestimmt viel bessere ;-)
22:36 < chrisime> jo
22:36 * chrisime will au nen alpha
22:36 < chrisime> esden: btw, die misten die indy's bei uns an der uni aus
22:36 < chrisime> schnapp dir einen!
22:36 < chrisime> ich mach das
22:36 < chrisime> die ham volle ausbaustufe
22:37 < esden> ja ich will eine ... wann wo !!!
22:37 < chrisime> weiss net
22:37 < chrisime> rbg fragen
22:37 < esden> ich habe es schon gehoert dass die die ausmisten aber wann
22:37 < esden> rbg /
22:37 < esden> ?
22:37 < chrisime> habs bei der besprechung fuer die unixeinfuehrung gehoert
22:37 < bluefire> rbg ?
22:37 < chrisime> rechnerbetriebsgruppe
22:37 * bluefire Kennt RBG nur aus Darmstadt
22:38 < esden> chrisime: stimmt ...
22:38 < chrisime> esden: rbg.in.tum.de
22:39 < esden> chrisime: kk danke ...
22:39 < chrisime> erm noe
22:39 < chrisime> adr stimmt net
22:39 < esden> schade ...
22:39 < esden> dass muss im s02 oder so sein
22:39 < esden> oder ?
22:40 < chrisime> wwwrbg.in.tum.de
22:41 < esden> hehe ... wenn dass klappt habe ich 4 architekturen daheim ... nee 5 
22:41 < chrisime> http://wwwrbg.in.tum.de/Garching/Gebaeudeuebergabe-1.2.2002/ <--neu
22:41 < esden> mir faehlt nur noch powerpc dann noch ...
22:42 < esden> dann habe ich alle grossen architekturen da ;-)
22:42 < chrisime> http://wwwrbg.in.tum.de/Garching/Gebaeudeuebergabe-1.2.2002/img/DSCF2235.640x480.jpeg
22:42 < chrisime> hoersaal
22:43 < chrisime> http://wwwrbg.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/rbg/wartung/eigenbau.html <-- lol!!!
22:45 < esden> toll
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22:46 < esden> chrisime: Name:        Arne Hentsch 
22:46 < esden> Aufgaben:  Auslieferung, Aufru"stung und Wartung von Workstations
22:46 < esden>                   aller Hersteller einschlie?lich Macintosh.
22:46 < rxr> rene@jackson:~/rock-article > wc rock-article.txt
22:46 < rxr>     240    1359    9834 rock-article.txt
22:46 < rxr> Cool - printed to paper this are allready nearly 4 pages ;-)
22:47 < chrisime> esden: aja
22:47 < chrisime> esden: das koennte die richtige adresse sein
22:47 < chrisime> fragst mal an?
22:47 < esden> ja werde ich machen ... indem ich morgen bei der tussi oder tuepen wasauchimmer dass ist vorbeigehe oder so 
22:48 < esden> naja ... dass wird wohl nicht gehen ... aber ich schaue morgen 
22:48 < esden> ich mag es nicht mit den leuten per e-mail zu komunizieren man weiss nie wann die antworten ...
22:49 < chrisime> ok
22:49 < chrisime> das fein
22:49 < chrisime> frag au wieviel die fuer die kisten wollen
22:49 < thalerim> rxr: what purpose?
22:49 < chrisime> ich will den 21 zoller au no
22:49 < rxr> thalerim: Articel for the german Linux Magazin
22:49 < rxr> s/articel/article/
22:50 < Mike1> rxr: so its in german :(( 
22:50 < rxr> Mike1: yes
22:50 * Mike1 was hoping to read it
22:50 < Mike1> But i also want to undertand it 
22:50 < thalerim> rxr: Darf ich es probelesen ?
22:50 < rxr> But they might translate it for the English issue of the magazin - or maybe I can translate it for them ...
22:50 < Mike1> so guess thats not possible
22:51 < WKaibigan> Is the English version of Linux Magazine just a translated version of the German one?
22:51 < esden> ich will den monitor nicht haben ... ich will nur dass monitorkabel ... 
22:51 < thalerim> rxr: meine grammatikalischen Fähigkeiten sind nicht schlecht
22:51 < rxr> thalerim: hm - ich weis nicht wie gut es ist, wenn es zu viele (vor dem Druck) bekommen. - Aber ein Freund hier, esden und du sollten ok sein ;-)
22:51 < esden> den monitor werde ich eh verkaufen oder so ... ich habe hier auch einen sgi monitor stenen ...
22:52 < thalerim> WKaibigan: nope. only Brave GNU World is contained in all "Linux Magazine" of the world
22:52 < rxr> WKaibigan: I do not know - when I translate it, it would be a 1:1 translation (maybe with some more jokes between the lines - which are not that common in German texts)
22:52 < WKaibigan> In that case I hope they do print a translated version of your article in the English version.
22:52 < thalerim> do not think so
22:53 < rxr> thalerim: there are also other articles that get translated between the various magazines ...
22:53 < thalerim> it's quite unusual 
22:53 < esden> aber warte mal ... ich kann dann endlich meine festfrequenzmonitore rausschmeissen ...
22:53 < esden> dass ist gut
22:53 < chrisime> ich hab nen 15er hier
22:53 < thalerim> rxr: yes, special ones ... e.g. interviews are translated often
22:53 < chrisime> ich brauch mal was groesseres *g*
22:53 < snyke> hi esden btw
22:53 < rxr> WKaibigan: I can explicitely asked whether they like to get a translation from me ;-)
22:54 < WKaibigan> rxr:Good idea. Will you get paid twice if they print it in the English version? :-)
22:54 < esden> chrisime: ja .. glaube ich auch ... ;-)
22:54 < thalerim> WKaibigan: you might know a native english speaker with german experience for help
22:54 < rxr> WKaibigan: maybe (I hope so ;-)
22:55 < thalerim> rxr: when will the article be finished likely?
22:55 < WKaibigan> I know that a lot of the articles in the English mag are written by German authors so there is hope.
22:55 < rxr> I hope within the next days
22:55 < thalerim> ok
22:56 * thalerim sets mode +nerve +rxr +every +day
22:56 < thalerim> prick even :P
22:56 < rxr> thalerim: I hope to finish it in some hours - and then reread / correct all ;-)
22:57 < thalerim> that's the hell... i know that .. rereading an article written by me
22:57 < esden> the german open source comunity seems to be very strong ...
22:57 < thalerim> ?
22:58 < rxr> thalerim: what articles have you written so far ?
22:58 < thalerim> rxr: not for linux magazin, was a general issue for longer texts
22:58 < thalerim> Actually i lost the like of the LM ...
22:58 < Mike1> i have class today so take care of you guys
22:58 < rxr> thalerim: jups - I found it rather difficult to find a start and to sort the several ideas I had ...
22:59 < Mike1> bye all
22:59 < thalerim> have fun
22:59 < rxr> bye Mike1 
22:59 < WKaibigan> Bye Mike1
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23:00 < thalerim> rxr: I can only speak for the german magazine... but for my favour it's going to business-crap too much
23:00 < chrisime> esden: gibts rocklilnux fuer sgi?
23:01 < esden> chrisime: ehhm ... the stage 1 compiles ... on mips
23:01 < esden> how the second stage looks like I have no idea
23:01 < thalerim> that's why I ceased to waste my money ... I read only one or two article a issue.. and 5euro for these 2articles is waste
23:01 < esden> but work is in progress ... 
23:02 < chrisime> good
23:02 < rxr> thalerim: the Linux Mag is payed by my "Mitbewohner" ... so I do not care that much (except for the ROCK PR thing ...)
23:02 < rxr> I pay the c't and the "C/C++ User Journal" ... and here teh LM and iX ...
23:02 < thalerim> c't is a speudo-proffessional magazin
23:02 < rxr> thalerim:  the C/C++ UJ nosts 10 EUR ...
23:02 < thalerim> -f
23:03 < thalerim> rxr: From where do you get it ? 
23:03 < rxr> thalerim: yes - but the only general hardware info magazin you can read ... - and is nice to get some hardware details on a regular basis.
23:03 < thalerim> actually do not care much about hardware..
23:04 < thalerim> so
23:04 < rxr> thalerim: in the past I bought it an the railway station in Hannover. But since I have not found it here in Berlin I have a subscription which is slighly less expensive ...
23:05 < esden> rxr: the hardware they describe there is boooring ... I need a magazine that describes sun, sgi, hp architectures ... and other cool stuff ;-)
23:05 < thalerim> rxr: schätz mal bitte, wieviel C++ Anteil hat ?
23:05 < rxr> esden: ;-) *lol* But anyway it is the only general computer magazin you can buy ...
23:06 < rxr> thalerim: most is C++ - C is only explained not that often
23:06 < rxr> but is is relly small 
23:06 < thalerim> c't is the Computer Bild for wannabes
23:06 < thalerim> imo!
23:06 < thalerim> rxr: oh, so it's nothing for me
23:06 < rxr> thalerim: it has arround 70 pages for 10 EUR ....
23:07 < rxr> thalerim: no c't is not Coputer Bild! Read the Chip or PC Professional - they are crap! But the c't people know to some degree about the stuff they write ...
23:08 < esden> rxr: that is right .. but the same info you also get online some weeks before it is printed by ct
23:08 < thalerim> ROCKlinux should publish Phrack as a printed magazin in Germany ... that'd be cool promotion ;)
23:08 < rxr> esden: ?
23:08 < rxr> thalerim: what?
23:08 < thalerim> what ??
23:08 < rxr> thalerim: "Phrack as a printed magazin in Germany" what do you mean ?
23:09 < esden> rxr: but only to some degree ... they make mistakes too ... and i sometimes think they only write to write something ... 
23:09 < thalerim> Phrack is an eZine so far, what about printing it and selling in Germany 
23:09 < thalerim> but I was ... just kidding
23:10 < esden> thalerim: url ?
23:10 < rxr> esden: the c't was better in the past ... - I think they could write more about non-Window~1 stuff
23:10 < thalerim> esden: url to what?
23:10 < esden> rxr: I know they were better ... I was buying c't on a regular basis
23:11 < esden> thalerim: "Phrack is an eZine" <-- to this ;-)
23:11 < thalerim> how do you call it ?
23:11 * Ge0rG is still reading c't - they have at least one interesting article in every issue
23:12 < thalerim> Ge0rG: money wastment
23:12 < thalerim> how much money does c't cost at the momten?
23:12 < thalerim> moment
23:12 < Ge0rG> thalerim: they were better long time ago. but theres no alternative anyway.
23:12 < Ge0rG> 3¤
23:13 < rxr> Ge0rG: what article? "Prozessor Gefuester" ? ;-)
23:13 < thalerim> heh, for that money you can get a bitch incl. a condom !
23:13 < Ge0rG> thalerim: mhm... not here
23:14 < esden> there is also a very interesting scientific section in every c't ... I like it very much
23:14 < thalerim> anyway...
23:14 < thalerim> am going to read and sleep then, see you tomorrow
23:14 < esden> thalerim: it would be a very cheep bitch ... and a used condom ...
23:15 < thalerim> esden: would be better than the c't anyway :P
23:15 < Ge0rG> an inflatable bitch
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23:16 < esden> /var/adm/logs/3-lprng.out -> 3-lprng.err
23:16 < esden> i hate it ... >_<
23:16 < esden> ok ... that is the first packet that fiails on alpha .. for now ..
23:17 < huebi> My experience is that if you get closer with your knowledge to the stuff a magazin writes about, you switch from "Oh interesting, I learned something. Fsck that I did not know it before." to "Yes, from one point of view it's right, but this point is the exception of what normaly occurs." So magazins are efectivly only for masochists. *g*
23:17 < esden> huebi: well said
23:18 * Ge0rG thought about dropping c't and getting iX, but they are way too technical and boring
23:18 < rxr> wc rock-article.txt
23:18 < rxr>     264    1512   10955 rock-article.txt
23:19 < huebi> rxr: May I have a look on it?
23:19 < esden> ok .. I let the compile running till tomorrow .. then I will see how much fails ... and try to fix it as good as I can
23:19 < rxr> so this should be most of the stuff I wanted to write ...
23:19 < rxr> now I print it - and read over it 
23:20 < rxr> huebi: esden and thalerim have already asked ... - I'm not sure if it is that good if too many people get it ... - since I'm paid for the article ...
23:21 < rxr> you will really be the last person I'll put on the pre-readers list now ;-)
23:21 < rxr> (If you all promisse not to send it arround ;-)
23:22 < huebi> rxr: I promise that. Earn your money. I don't stay in your way ;-)
23:23 < esden> rxr: I promise too ...
23:23 < rxr> huebi: ;-)
23:23 < esden> == 23:14:26 =[3]=> Building base package xfree86 [4.2.0 1.5.17_2002-07-08_09h20].
23:23 < esden> hmm ... that will take long ... ;-)
23:24 < esden> ok cheers you guys ... have a nice sleep if you are going to bed at all
23:24 < esden> n8
23:25 < huebi> esden: n8
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23:45 < tsa> hi
23:46 < owl> hi tsa
23:46 < huebi> moin tsa 
23:47 < tsa> hi owl
23:47 < tsa> hi huebi
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