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--- Log opened Wed Jul 10 00:00:10 2002 --- Day changed Wed Jul 10 2002 00:00 * owl will search the bed now... 00:00 < owl> g8. cu tomorrow 00:00 < huebi> cu owl 00:01 < owl> cu huebi 00:01 < Mike1> bye owl 00:01 < owl> ciao everyone ;) 00:01 -!- owl [~mail-spam@B5896.pppool.de] has quit ("back to reality") 00:03 < Mike1> huebi: what are you doing? 00:04 < huebi> fixing the Create-CD script. 00:04 < tsa> just curious - who is owl? 00:04 < Mike1> tsa: Her name is Sandra 00:04 < Mike1> she is a new ROCK user 00:04 < tsa> a woman?? 00:05 < Mike1> tsa: sure 00:05 < tsa> uh. talked to her and didn't know. 00:05 < tsa> ;-) 00:05 < Mike1> hehe 00:05 < tsa> pic somewhere? 00:05 < Mike1> no :(( 00:05 < tsa> hm.. 00:06 < Mike1> perhaps i can sent you a pic of huebi if you like 00:06 < Mike1> *g 00:06 < tsa> aehm... 00:06 < tsa> no, thanks. 00:06 < Mike1> hehe 00:07 < huebi> tsa: has a URL IIRC. 00:08 < huebi> s/tsa/esden/ 00:08 < tsa> esden: WAKE UP. 00:09 -!- fake_ [fake@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 00:09 < tsa> hi fake 00:11 -!- fake [fake@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:29 < huebi> Mike1: scripts/Create-CD is updated. 00:29 < Mike1> huebi: good 00:29 < Mike1> huebi: i cant continue with ext cd :(( 00:29 < Mike1> i need maintainers to update versions 00:29 < huebi> Mike1: why? 00:29 < Mike1> eg abiword i cant find the god damn pkgs anymore 00:30 < Mike1> we are using 0.73.2 00:30 < Mike1> the oldest i can get is 1.0.1 00:30 < Mike1> i have been browsing everywhere :( 00:30 < huebi> Mike1: Just update the versions yourself, ask tsa who updated many on SF, too. 00:31 < huebi> tsa: Am I right? 00:31 < Mike1> all the files that used to belong to abiword are now in a single package :( 00:31 < Mike1> besides i dont want Clifford to kick my ass (he maintains that pkg) 00:31 < tsa> huebi: sure.. 00:32 < Mike1> have a look at what i am missing 00:32 * Mike1 Flood in #linux-sparc 00:33 < huebi> Mike1: ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/rock-pkg-1.5/ext-archive/abiword/ 00:35 < Mike1> you have it???? 00:35 < Mike1> GOOD! 00:35 * Mike1 was starting to demotivate 00:35 < Mike1> thanks huebi :)) 00:35 < huebi> Mike1: I think it's better when you use the ext-pkgs on sourceforge. here they are allmost dead. 00:36 < huebi> I only work on base+opt. And the extensions are compatible with the ones on SF 00:36 < Mike1> yeah 00:36 < Mike1> anyways i am almost finished :) 00:38 < Mike1> Master huebi rulez!! 00:38 < huebi> ;-)) 00:39 < Mike1> BTW i will have a look at ur files to see ig you got the sources i am missing ok? 00:40 < huebi> of course, yes. 00:40 < Mike1> danke 00:40 < Mike1> hope some one cares about this iso i have been working really hard to get it 00:55 < Mike1> huebi: a link to latest Create-CD script 00:55 < Mike1> please 00:56 < huebi> https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/scripts/ 00:56 < Mike1> *g 00:57 < Mike1> danke 01:11 < huebi> good night ;-) 01:12 < huebi> last test build for 1.5.17 is started 01:13 < Mike1> huebi: cool 01:13 < Mike1> you going to bed now? 01:14 -!- HannibalL [~steven261@62.46.6.197] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:16 < tsa> n8 01:16 < Mike1> n8 tsa 01:16 < tsa> cu Mike1 01:16 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082AA14.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 01:16 < h0h0> "For now, GNU GRUB is not released publicly yet," 01:17 < h0h0> I thought rock used grub? 01:17 < Mike1> h0h0: yes we do 01:17 < Mike1> h0h0: ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ 01:17 < h0h0> ok 01:18 < h0h0> happen to know if it reads reiserfs partitions? 01:18 < Mike1> sorry only experience with lilo and silo 01:18 -!- WKaibigan2 [~Aloicious@ACB7BA4A.ipt.aol.com] has quit () 01:18 < h0h0> silo? 01:19 < Mike1> h0h0: is a bit similar to lilo but is used on sparc 01:19 < h0h0> oh. guess I have no need for it then :) 01:19 < Mike1> *g 01:20 < Mike1> h0h0: anyways you just need a very small /boot partition to boot reiserfs partitions with lilo 01:20 < h0h0> I beleive thats how I had my system setup originaly, but Ill have to ask fdisk if thats the case now 01:20 < Mike1> hehe 01:22 < h0h0> can it be the very last thing on the drive? 01:22 < Mike1> no problem but i must be a primary partition 01:22 < Mike1> +t 01:23 < h0h0> hum, and can you have a primary partition after a extended partition? 01:23 < Mike1> if you have available space _out_ of the space that you defined for the extended yes if not .. well no :( 01:24 < h0h0> ahh 01:27 < h0h0> hum, my extended partiton goes to cylinder 1244 and my disk has 1247 cylinders 01:28 < Mike1> mmm 01:28 < Mike1> you only need like 20MB for /boot 01:30 < h0h0> my calculator shows that would give me 23 megs, 01:30 < Mike1> give it a try :) 01:34 -!- Netsplit sendak.openprojects.net <-> irc.openprojects.net quits: Ge0rG, [anders], praenti, Freak, h0h0, Mike1, SMP 01:35 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Ge0rG, SMP, praenti 01:35 -!- Netsplit over, joins: h0h0 01:35 < h0h0> hum, well, my new partition doesn't seem to be showing up in /dev/discs/disc0/ 01:36 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Mike1 01:36 < Mike1> re 01:36 < h0h0> openprojects ipv6 split 01:37 < Mike1> ? 01:37 < h0h0> calvino, the openprojects.net ipv6 server, split 01:37 -!- [anders] [anders@62.3.122.161] has joined #rocklinux 01:37 < Mike1> h0h0: yes 01:37 < Mike1> re [anders] 01:38 -!- Freak [freak@pD95308C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:39 < h0h0> is there anything special you have to do to get new partitions to show up in devfs? 01:40 < Mike1> yes 01:40 < Mike1> restart devfsd 01:40 < Mike1> sometimes even reboot 01:40 < Ge0rG> its that easy? 01:40 < Mike1> Ge0rG: ? 01:41 < Ge0rG> ok, actually this should be managed by the kernel driver. fdisk sends an ioctl to the kernel to reread the partition table. this would be the right place to recreate devices. 01:42 < Mike1> killall -HUP /sbin/devfsd 01:42 < Ge0rG> devfsd only handles /dev/hdx#, not /dev/discs/... 01:43 < Mike1> Ge0rG: what are you talking about? devfsd handles /dev/discs/... 01:43 < h0h0> -HUP did'nt do it 01:43 < Mike1> h0h0: reboot 01:43 < h0h0> bah 01:44 < Ge0rG> Mike1: the kernel creates the nodes. devfsd maintains permissions and compatibility links 01:45 < Mike1> Ge0rG: you got a box running rock near you? 01:45 < Ge0rG> Mike1: nope, but two boxes with devfs 01:45 < Mike1> Ge0rG: please ls /dev/ tell me what you see 01:45 < Mike1> we use devfs 01:46 < Ge0rG> shall I cut'n'paste? 01:46 < Mike1> Ge0rG: you see any hdx 01:46 < Ge0rG> no 01:46 < Mike1> no 01:46 < Ge0rG> Mike1: whats your point? 01:46 < Mike1> now are you sure devfsd doesnt handle /dev/discs/... ?? 01:47 < Mike1> thats devfsd defaults 01:47 < Ge0rG> Mike1: I can boot and use my machine without running devfsd. So the system must work without it 01:47 < Mike1> pathetic distros are the one that even when they run devfsd make links to discs/.. or cdroms/.. 01:47 < h0h0> I dont see the partition under /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0 01:48 < Mike1> h0h0: you fdisk and mke2fs? 01:48 < h0h0> mke2fs is whats not working 01:48 < h0h0> it cant find the device 01:49 < Mike1> Ge0rG: sure when you dont boot with devfsd you are running pure ext2 or whatever you have 01:49 < Ge0rG> h0h0: did you reboot? 01:49 < h0h0> nope, but Ill do so now 01:50 < Mike1> h0h0: if you dont reboot it will never show up 01:50 < h0h0> hmm, rebooting is the root of all evil 01:50 -!- h0h0 [~hoho@3ffe:80ee:7c6:0:0:0:0:fe] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 01:50 < Ge0rG> Mike1: from the devfsd man page: 01:50 < Ge0rG> devfsd will read the special control file .devfsd in a 01:50 < Ge0rG> mounted devfs, listening for the creation and removal of 01:50 < Ge0rG> device entries (this is termed a change operation). 01:50 < Ge0rG> it doesn't create or remove nodes - it only reacts on the creation events 01:53 < Mike1> Ge0rG: yeap i know, guess i just couldnt make my self clear 01:53 < Ge0rG> Mike1: so is there any other way than rebooting to make a new partition table and devfs consistent? 01:54 < Mike1> maybe init 1 then go back to init 3 01:55 < Ge0rG> don't think so - init doesn't do anything special to the kernel 01:55 < Mike1> so devfsd can "react" 01:55 < Ge0rG> except for init 0 ;) 01:55 < Mike1> Ge0rG: i know but devfsd must be restarted in order for it to react with the new changes on the partition table 01:56 < Ge0rG> Mike1: wait. /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part? are created by the kernel ide driver. that is what I try to tell you all the time :) 01:56 < Mike1> k 01:57 < Ge0rG> so HUPping devfsd won't bring us to our destination. 01:57 < Mike1> if you init1 its should not HUP it but stop it 01:58 < Ge0rG> even killing devfsd wouldn't change /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/ 01:58 < Ge0rG> and restarting it neither. 01:58 < Mike1> so then init 6 01:58 < Mike1> yes it would 01:58 < Mike1> Ge0rG: i have done this before 01:58 < Ge0rG> as you already said: rebooting is evil. 01:58 -!- h0h0 [~hoho@3ffe:80ee:7c6:0:0:0:0:fe] has joined #rocklinux 01:58 < Mike1> h0h0: said that :) 01:58 < Mike1> re h0h0 01:58 < Ge0rG> ah, ok. 01:58 < Mike1> so it apeared? 02:00 < Mike1> h0h0: ? 02:00 < h0h0> sorry, fighting ipv6 abit 02:00 < h0h0> yes its there 02:00 < Mike1> good h0h0 02:00 < Mike1> rebooting might have been eveil but worked 02:01 < Mike1> -e 02:01 < Ge0rG> but was it worth the price? ;) 02:01 < h0h0> it did work 02:01 < Mike1> Ge0rG: would you do it in another way? 02:01 < h0h0> and I needed to switch kernels anyway, I just hoped I could do it with grub 02:01 < Mike1> if so i wanna know so i dont have to reboot 02:02 < Ge0rG> Mike1: I'm searching for an alternative approach... 02:03 < Mike1> But without searching what would you do in this moment if you had to do it? 02:03 < Ge0rG> reboot 02:04 < Mike1> what i mean there is no point on going over someone trying to help somebody else critizacing the way he knows things work if you dont have an alternative and would fix the problem in the very same way 02:05 < Mike1> thats not nice my friend 02:05 < Ge0rG> Mike1: I'm really sorry, but I just was confused about the way you described with restarting devfsd. 02:05 < Mike1> thought if you get an alternative besides reboot i'm all ears, believe i dont like to reboot my system 02:06 < Mike1> Ge0rG: its ok, i was just trying to avoid reboot :) 02:06 < h0h0> hum. 02:06 < Mike1> and leave as the last option 02:06 < h0h0> is it possible to install grub without the use of a floppy drive? 02:06 < Ge0rG> Mike1: ok, thats honorable :) 02:06 < Ge0rG> h0h0: you can run it from commandline. it might actually work :) 02:07 < Mike1> ;) 02:08 < Mike1> BTW have you got to build on the latest rock 1.5 tree snaps? 02:09 < Mike1> ok i now have to get my self something to eat 02:09 < Mike1> be back in a few minutes 02:09 < h0h0> go eat! w00t! 02:09 < Ge0rG> eating is a good idea 02:10 < h0h0> I like to eat 02:10 < h0h0> specificly, oaples and bononos 02:12 < Ge0rG> eating is, like regenerating, a physical limitation of my brain container. 02:20 < h0h0> nice. grub ftp is down 02:22 < h0h0> well, Ill do it tommorow 02:24 < Mike1> h0h0: no wait 02:24 < Mike1> i can dcc the grub tar ball to you if you like 02:25 * Mike1 eating but reading 02:26 < h0h0> um, not sure if dcc will work 02:26 < h0h0> but if you can ftp it to hoho.oh2600.com Id be great 02:26 < Ge0rG> isn't chatting with a full mouth impolite? ;) 02:26 < Mike1> lol 02:27 < Mike1> h0h0: how fast if ur connection? 02:27 < h0h0> cable 02:27 < Mike1> ok perhaps you download the file from my host 02:27 * Mike1 has a T1 02:27 < h0h0> how big is it? 02:27 < Mike1> 1.5MB/s 02:28 < h0h0> I know the speed of a T1. How big is the tarball? 02:28 < Mike1> oh mom 02:28 < h0h0> how ever you want to do it 02:29 < Mike1> [root@marte grub]# du -sh grub-0.92.tar.bz2 02:29 < Mike1> 680k grub-0.92.tar.bz2 02:29 < Mike1> [root@marte grub]# 02:29 < h0h0> ha. thats small enough to email even 02:31 < Mike1> h0h0: https://www.hack-solutions.com/~mike2/rock/grub-0.92.tar.bz2 02:31 < Mike1> there it is 02:31 < h0h0> excelent 02:32 < Mike1> any other source you need? i have almost every single rock 15 tree package 02:32 < Mike1> including base opt and ext 03:01 < h0h0> oh 03:01 < h0h0> is that a rock source? or a generic source? 03:02 < Mike1> is the sources needed to build rock but for now the are just generic :) 03:02 < Mike1> +y 03:02 < h0h0> good. 03:03 < h0h0> and dancer ircd has no such mode +y 03:03 < Mike1> h0h0: i ment as i missed a y on the previous line 03:03 < h0h0> genericy? 03:03 < h0h0> oh, they 03:04 < h0h0> ok 03:04 < Mike1> yup 03:09 -!- Freak [freak@pD95308C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("I take this land for my bunghole!") 03:11 < th> re 03:11 < Mike1> re th 03:11 < Mike1> How are you ? 03:11 < Ge0rG> huhu th 03:12 < th> Mike1: well, thanks 03:12 < th> hi Ge0rG 03:13 < th> someone knows scsi-cable style 2919 or a URL where to lookup? 03:19 < Mike1> th: no sorry my friend :( 03:21 < th> Mike1: i'm afraid it's not LVDable. 03:21 < Mike1> th: oh 03:21 < th> Mike1: so that would be the reason for all these backup problems and weird kernel-ring-buffer-messages 03:22 < Mike1> what are you willing to do ? 03:23 < th> fixing that ECRIX-autopak + arkeia installation 03:34 < Ge0rG> cu 03:34 < Mike1> n8 Ge0rG 03:40 -!- Ge0rG [georg@op-co.de] has quit ("Irssi - the client of smart and beautiful people") 03:54 -!- Freak [freak@pD95308C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:56 < Mike1> lo Freak 03:57 < Freak> hi again Mike1 :) 03:57 < Mike1> what are you doing up this late? 03:57 < Freak> was playing bzflag.. and now.. dunno.. still awake.. not tired.. 03:58 < Mike1> hehe 03:58 < Mike1> nice 03:58 < Freak> and I have a can of Jolt cola left.. 03:58 < Freak> dunno if I drink it.. 03:58 < Freak> maybe I go to bed though :) 03:58 < Mike1> haha 03:58 < Freak> I could like.. call for the cat.. 03:58 < Freak> brb 04:00 < Freak> hmm 04:00 < Freak> no, doesn't respond.. :) 04:01 < Mike1> lol 04:27 -!- Freak [freak@pD95308C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("I take this land for my bunghole!") 04:28 -!- Freak [freak@pD9530593.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:31 < Mike1> still awake Freak? 04:31 < Freak> yup 04:31 < Mike1> guess what? 04:31 < Freak> watching my setis.. 04:31 < Freak> what? 04:31 < Freak> *guessing* 04:32 < Mike1> I almost finished getting all the base opt and ext files to create the srcs isod 04:32 < Mike1> s/isod/isos 04:32 < Freak> great.. I think 04:32 < Mike1> for the 1.5 tree 04:32 < Freak> (: 04:32 < Mike1> yup 04:32 < Mike1> only missing 2 package from extensions 04:32 < Freak> have we accidentially met on LinuxTag? :) 04:33 < Freak> I think I only made contact with rxr 04:33 < Mike1> Freak: no i didnt had the honor 04:33 < Freak> heh :) 04:33 < Freak> next year 04:34 < Mike1> perhaps are you going to 19c3? 04:34 < Freak> I don't think 04:34 < Freak> it's very far from here to berlin.. 04:34 < Freak> and isnt it 20c3? 04:34 < Freak> or am I messing that up now.. 04:35 < Mike1> yeah you are 04:35 < Mike1> last year it was 18c3 :) 04:35 < Mike1> where are you BTW? 04:35 < Freak> was that 18c3 last year.. 04:35 < Freak> ok 04:35 < Freak> Pforzheim 04:35 < Freak> near Stuttgart/Karlsruhe :) 04:35 < Mike1> Freak: well you are a lot closer than i am 04:36 < Freak> heh 04:36 < Mike1> a lot >_< 04:36 < Freak> we'll see 04:36 < Freak> (: 04:36 < Freak> where are you exactly? 04:36 < Freak> or.. 04:36 < Mike1> Costa Rica 04:36 < Freak> Costa Rica! 04:36 < Freak> wow 04:36 < Mike1> yup 04:36 < Freak> (: 04:36 < Mike1> so i am farter than you are 04:36 < Mike1> ;) 04:36 < Freak> heh 04:37 < Freak> and will you fly here? 04:37 < Freak> I mean 04:37 < Freak> come to the 19c3 04:37 < Mike1> yes 04:37 < Freak> how can you afford it? 04:37 < Mike1> i work :) 04:37 < Freak> heh 04:37 < Mike1> besides i'm working on moving to frankfurt 04:37 < Freak> ah 04:38 < Freak> getting a job there? 04:38 < Mike1> besides the tickets wont cost me more than $1000 04:38 < Freak> lol 04:38 < Mike1> studying and working yeah 04:38 < Freak> that's enuff 04:38 < Mike1> [root@marte rock-src-1.5.17.private]# ./scripts/Download -list-missing 04:38 < Mike1> ext-archive/ace/ACE+TAO.tar.bz2 04:38 < Mike1> [root@marte rock-src-1.5.17.private]# 04:38 < Freak> you could like buy me a car :) 04:38 < Mike1> lol 04:38 < Mike1> how old are you Freak? 04:38 < Freak> or at least a laptop.. 04:38 < Freak> 19 04:39 < Mike1> i'm 20 04:39 < Freak> lol 04:39 < Mike1> ;) 04:39 < Freak> ok 04:39 < Freak> hey I just finished school two weeks ago 04:39 < Freak> and you.. 04:39 < Freak> omg I don't wanna think of it :) 04:39 < Mike1> so i guess you will soon be getting enought money to get a laptop with a risk processor :) 04:40 < Freak> hmm 04:40 < Mike1> i finished high school when i was 16 04:40 < Freak> have to do social work for a year now 04:40 < Mike1> hehe 04:40 < Freak> that is instead of going to the army 04:40 < Mike1> Freak: and i started university at 17 04:40 < Freak> and afterwards.. 04:40 < Freak> I dunno.. 04:40 < Freak> wow 04:40 < Mike1> Freak: why not the army? 04:40 < Freak> how come, you kinda genius or something? or is that regular? 04:41 * Freak is a pacifist 04:41 < Mike1> lets just say i worked really hard :) 04:42 < Mike1> most people here finish high school at 17 or 18 04:42 < Freak> so I guess it's not regular.. you just.. left out some classes 04:42 < Freak> ok 04:42 < Freak> I admire that :) 04:42 < Mike1> thanks 04:43 < Mike1> got rocked when i was 18 i think 04:43 < Mike1> or 19 not sure 04:43 < Freak> rocked? is that "using rock"? 04:43 < Mike1> yup of course 04:43 < Freak> ok ;) 04:43 < Mike1> how about you 04:43 < Freak> never heard that before, sorry :) 04:43 < Freak> not yet :) 04:43 < Freak> I just successfully migrated to debian 04:43 < Mike1> how come? i've seen you around for a while 04:44 < Mike1> from what? 04:44 < Freak> from mdk (mandrake) 04:44 < Freak> how come? well .. I was camping with the windowmaker-booth-guys 04:44 < Freak> at linuxtag you know.. 04:44 < Freak> and they had windowmaker of course.. so I fell in love with windowmaker. 04:44 < Freak> and they had debian 04:45 < Freak> and I fell in love with debian :) 04:45 < Mike1> hehe nice 04:45 < Freak> I had the opportunity to meet rxr and hear his speech about rock there 04:45 < Mike1> i would like to meet those guys from windowmaker sometime 04:45 < Freak> so that's why I'm here :) 04:45 < Freak> I like rock 04:45 < Freak> like.. what I heard of it :) 04:45 < Freak> but I'm too lazy to get rocked 04:46 < Mike1> you certainly should 04:46 < Mike1> rock 1.6.0 stable is close to be released it could be good chance for you 04:46 < Freak> well you know.. I think if debian adopts the ports system.. it's just as good 04:46 < Mike1> i started rocking with 1.2 04:47 < Mike1> Freak: oh well rock and debian are pretty different 04:47 < Freak> I think so :) 04:47 < Mike1> but certainly migrating from Mandrake to debian has been a GREAT decition 04:47 < Freak> hehe 04:47 < Freak> I was on mandrake for some months only 04:48 < Freak> before that I was on SuSE for almost a year 04:48 < Freak> and before that.. let's not talk about it ;) 04:49 < Mike1> Freak: hehe ok 04:49 < Mike1> the mistakes you made in the past are not important is the way you face future what matters 04:50 < Freak> is that a citation? :) 04:50 < Mike1> no i just made it my self 04:50 < Mike1> :) 04:50 < Freak> hehe 04:51 < Mike1> Freak: believe you must get to Build a rock linux distro, its an amazing experience 04:52 < Freak> (: 04:52 < Mike1> sometimes is a pain in the ass but when you fix the problems you feel great 04:52 < Freak> heh =) 04:52 < Mike1> and when you finish the build and you create the cds 04:53 < Mike1> and look at then and you say to ur self wow i built a whole linux distro from 1 floppy disk with source 04:53 < Mike1> thats an incredible feeling 04:53 < Mike1> at least for me 04:53 < Freak> I think so 04:53 < Freak> but as I said.. I'm too lazy 04:54 < Mike1> lol 04:54 < Mike1> ok Mr lazy Freak you could just get an iso image and install it :) 04:54 < Freak> but if I should set up a new box in the future.. and debian hasnt adopted the ability to build everything from sources yet.. I will try rock 04:55 < Freak> well I can have an iso image of debian as well.. 04:55 < Freak> nah never mind :) 04:55 < Freak> I believe you how great it is.. and I really would like to try it.. but I need my box and can't wait as long as to build it from source.. 04:57 < Mike1> then just install it from an iso 04:57 < Mike1> :) 04:58 < Freak> hey the sun is already rising over here.. 04:58 < Freak> it's 5am 04:59 < Mike1> lol 04:59 < Mike1> its 9pm here 04:59 < Freak> what time is it over there? 04:59 < Freak> heh 05:00 < Mike1> pretty soon developpers will start to come back again 05:00 < Freak> (: 05:01 < Mike1> i believe one of the first ones if not the first one will he huebi 05:01 < Mike1> he and [anders] will be very happy to see i finished the sources isos 05:01 < Freak> :) 05:03 < Mike1> well i actually just finished to download no i need to ./scripts/Create-CD sources { base | ext } 05:10 < Freak> I think I have to go to bed now.. 05:10 < Freak> gnite Mike1 05:10 < Mike1> n8 Freak 05:10 < Mike1> or moin 05:10 < Mike1> ;) 05:10 < Mike1> bye 05:11 < Freak> hehe 05:11 < Freak> cu 05:20 -!- h0h0 [~hoho@3ffe:80ee:7c6:0:0:0:0:fe] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:57 < huebi> moin 06:57 < Mike1> hello huebi 06:57 < Mike1> wie geht es ihnen? 06:57 < huebi> morning mike. I'm fine. I just woke up 06:58 < Mike1> ich wiess 06:58 < Mike1> :) 06:58 < Mike1> sleep well? 06:58 < huebi> *g* 06:58 < Mike1> huebi: did you already ahd a look at th email that i sent to the mailing list? 06:58 < huebi> Yes, I did. 06:59 < huebi> erm, no I didn't but Ill have now 06:59 < Mike1> lol 06:59 < Mike1> no problem 06:59 < Mike1> i hope you are please with that mail :) 06:59 < Mike1> s/please/pleased 07:03 < [anders]> arrrf.... 07:03 < Mike1> good mourning [anders] 07:03 < [anders]> package slang will probably need an addition to the slang.conf 07:03 < huebi> morning [anders] 07:03 < [anders]> re Mike1 huebi 07:03 < [anders]> :) 07:04 < [anders]> MAKE="make -j1" to be added in slang.conf 07:04 < Mike1> [anders]: read my mail to the rock mailing list? 07:04 < [anders]> Mike1: No, not yet.. but I read parts of the scroll-back.. :) 07:04 < [anders]> you have some ISO's... :) 07:04 < Mike1> [anders]: lol 07:04 < Mike1> [anders]: maybe you look at the mail and see whats left got you on it 07:05 < [anders]> huebi: do you want me to add to slang.conf or do you want the honour? :) 07:05 < [anders]> Mike1: I can't check the mail until I get to work in about two hours time. 07:06 < Mike1> [anders]: ok what the hell: https://www.hack-solutions.com/~mike2/ROCK/1.5/1.5.7/ 07:06 < Mike1> have fun! 07:07 < Mike1> oops 07:08 < Mike1> [anders]: https://www.hack-solutions.com/~mike2/ROCK/1.5/1.5.17/ 07:08 < Mike1> the previous url was wrong 07:08 < [anders]> aah.. a missing '1' :) 07:08 < Mike1> yup 07:09 < Mike1> now look at it :) 07:09 < [anders]> huebi: I've added 'MAKE="$MAKE -j1' to top of slang.conf as slang seems to sometimes fail if you build with -j2... 07:09 < [anders]> Mike1: ok, one sec.. 07:09 < huebi> Mike1: I read the mail. Thank you for your work. 07:11 < [anders]> Mike1: well, one ISO being downloaded right this minute.. :) 07:11 * Mike1 guesses its the ext one 07:11 < Mike1> huebi: no need to thank me is an honor :) 07:12 < [anders]> Mike1: many thanks for sorting out the ISO's.. it has been on my wishlist for a looooong time.. :) 07:12 < Mike1> [anders]: you are welcome, perhaps we should now try to keep it its pretty usefull 07:13 < Mike1> just hope i didnt bother to much while i was doing then 07:13 < Mike1> BTW huebi and [anders] thanks a lot for been patient with me and for your help and support 07:14 < huebi> [anders]: Anders Karlsson <- is this your real name? for the cvs log. 07:14 < [anders]> huebi: yes, that is correct. :) 07:14 < huebi> Mike1: you're very welcome. ;-) 07:14 < [anders]> Mike1: Thank You for your help and support. :) 07:15 < Mike1> no its time to test the iso with a nice build 07:15 < Mike1> s/no/now 07:16 < [anders]> huebi: I am running the ia32 build with make -j2 and it is breaking some packages.. in general, just starting the build again seems to work, but the packages that fail, I update the .conf for. That OK? 07:16 < [anders]> Mike1: once I get the ISO, I will try it out. :) 07:17 < Mike1> [anders]: thanks i will too :) 07:17 < [anders]> in any event... time for breakfast and shower.. :) 07:17 < [anders]> biab 07:17 < huebi> [anders]: yes, do it. 07:24 < huebi> 258 pkgs are finished now. 07:29 -!- h0h0 [~hoho@3ffe:80ee:7c6:0:0:0:0:fe] has joined #rocklinux 07:30 < Mike1> re h0h0 07:31 * huebi reading log 07:45 < Mike1> ok guys i now need to go home and get some sleep 07:45 < Mike1> see you in a few hours 07:46 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 08:12 < huebi> h0h0: grub is in 1.5.12 - 1.5.17 08:43 < [anders]> morning folks.. :) 08:44 < [anders]> uff... building qt... 08:45 < huebi> [== 03:32:57 =[3]=> Building base package qt [3.0.4 1.5.17]. 08:45 < huebi> == 05:06:51 07/10/02 =[3]=> Finished building package qt. 08:46 < [anders]> Hmm.. and you are building on an XP1800+ ? 08:46 < huebi> [anders]: No. 08:46 < huebi> [anders]: a dual XP1800+ 08:46 < huebi> hehe 08:46 < huebi> make -j 16 08:46 < [anders]> *weep* 08:47 < [anders]> I'm only using -j2, as that should be well sufficent for a UP box.. 08:47 < huebi> [anders]: I tried make -jx out with compiling kernels. 08:48 < [anders]> huebi: the kernels generally will allow parallel compiling no problem.. 08:48 < huebi> x=16 was a little bit faster than x=8 on my dual box 08:49 < huebi> qt allows dual compiling as well. 08:49 < huebi> or better parallel. 08:49 < [anders]> I found two packages this morning which doesn't work every time with -jx where x>1 08:49 < huebi> did you have a look in cvs? 08:49 < [anders]> i have updated the conf's.. 08:49 < [anders]> Not yet.. Will do that now.. 08:50 < [anders]> not quite half way pulling the ext-ISO as well.. :) 08:51 < huebi> one idea on linuxtag was to make a built CD. Ther will be a fairly big rescue system with all programs to compile ROCK Linux on it and also all base+opt sources. 08:53 < huebi> Then a new box can be setup with compiling all from scratch without having an OS on it at first. 08:54 < [anders]> huebi: that is a good idea.. :) 08:54 < huebi> Yes. And I think I then can leave off the rescue image from the normal CD. 08:55 < huebi> rock-debug should be finished in 2 mins... 08:57 < [anders]> hehehe 08:58 < [anders]> argh.. compiling Qt is making my box like syrup...! 09:00 < [anders]> huebi: missing close doublequote in slang.conf 09:02 < huebi> [anders]: thank you. 09:03 < huebi> applied 09:04 < [anders]> :) 09:07 < huebi> 7:48h for the build. 09:10 < [anders]> huebi: did yuo get anywhere with the 'tar --use-compress-program' bits yesterday? 09:11 < [anders]> under 8 hours? It'll take 14h+ for me.. and that is just base+opt 09:11 < huebi> [anders]: Yes, I think you make also a complete rebuild (Stage 5). I leave that out for faster testing. 09:12 < [anders]> yeah, I do stage 5 as well just to verify that nothing went wrong in stage 1-4.. 09:14 < huebi> my SUN Ulrta 30 with 300Mhz needs about 14h for qt and 37h for the whole build. So I don't like the rebuild time. But it is a very good idea to rebuild the stuff with stage 5 to be really shure all things went right. ;-)) 09:19 < huebi> Now I setup my bos with the new build and see if that works. If all is right I release 1.5.17 in about 2h. 09:19 * huebi having a shower... 09:24 < [anders]> huebi: ok.. it is building for me, but I don't have the Create-CD patch in quite yet.. 09:24 < [anders]> (build not finished yet, still in stage 3) 09:35 < [anders]> I have now applied the bits from CVS and the only things I have now that are different should be the command line options to tar. (and possibly version strings in parse-config and VERSION). Other than that, things should be quite similar. 09:52 < [anders]> I have downloaded the snap that Mike1 used to download the extensions with. I'll add that to my snap in a bit. In the meantime I have to do some work here.. :) 09:54 < huebi> [anders]: ACk, have fun with your work, too. I have to rewrit some documentation now. The mailserver did not send it and I deleted it after sending ;((( 09:57 < [anders]> whoops.. :) 09:58 < huebi> [anders]: Ye, a new administrator not very firm in sendmail and RFC's 09:58 < [anders]> heh, I do not envy you that work.. :) 10:05 < [anders]> huebi: would you like me to generate patches for each individual file I have changed the tar commands for? 10:05 < [anders]> i.e. a patch a file.. 10:08 < huebi> [anders]: [anders] That is a very good idea. So I can test each file separatly. 10:09 < [anders]> huebi: will do that.. do you want me to create them, then tar them up and upload to rocklinux.dyndns.org ? 10:09 < huebi> [anders]: yes, please. 10:12 < [anders]> huebi: give me a while to do it.. I'll let you know when the archive has been uploaded. 10:13 < huebi> [anders]: jo, thank you. 10:13 * huebi cleaning up my office... 10:34 < th> morning 10:34 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-169-134.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:34 < th> huebi: it has been a wrong scsi-cable i suppose 10:36 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-171-188.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 10:40 < huebi> moin th 10:40 < huebi> moin rxr 10:41 < huebi> th: wrong cable ore a broken one 10:41 < huebi> ? 10:53 < th> huebi: wrong one 10:53 < th> huebi: not a LVD cable 10:59 < huebi> brb 11:05 < rxr> re 11:07 < huebi> re 11:07 < huebi> moin rxr 11:08 * huebi using the Krups now. 11:16 * huebi installing 1.5.17 for ia32 k7 11:25 < huebi> * reboot 11:37 < huebi> Gnome has no Xinerama support anymore . The window manager works with xinerama but Gnome not. 11:37 < huebi> any suggestions concerning this? 11:46 < [anders]> no idea.. starting to get the patches together.. do you want them in matching directory hierarchy as the files they modify or would you prefer them all in one directory. I apply them with patch -p2 and they work.. Tested each one against the CVS tree... 11:47 < [anders]> I also have to think about how the exclude file works for diff as there are many files modified in the subdists directory... 11:49 -!- Ge0rG [georg@op-co.de] has joined #rocklinux 11:52 < huebi> [anders]: Give me the files sorted in directories, please. 11:52 < [anders]> huebi: ok, will do. :) 11:55 < huebi> rxr: can you help me with Gnome and Xinerama? 11:56 < [anders]> huebi: libgtop fails building.. 11:57 < [anders]> huebi: you haven't got any changes to it since yesterday have you> 11:58 < huebi> [anders]: no, no changes at libgtop 11:59 < huebi> [anders]: can you check it in cvs, please? 12:02 < esden> hi all 12:03 < huebi> moin esden 12:03 < huebi> esden: can sawmill can do Xinerama? 12:03 < esden> no idea ... 12:04 < esden> huebi: is this error known?: 12:04 < esden> Creating gcc wrapper program (lib/gcc-wrapper). 12:04 < esden> In file included from /usr/include/signal.h:307, 12:04 < esden> from /usr/include/sys/wait.h:30, 12:04 < esden> from misc/lib-source/gcc-wrapper.c:6: 12:04 < esden> /usr/include/bits/sigcontext.h:28: asm/sigcontext.h: No such file or directory 12:04 < esden> /floodend 12:05 < [anders]> huebi: I'll check it against CVS, but as of this morning, there was no changes.. I might have to start the build from scratch to find out if this is a real problem.. 12:05 < esden> what have you done to the kernel package build scripts this time ... >_< 12:05 < huebi> esden: Yes. usre teh new linux* pkgs. They work. now and generate the right header files in /usr/include 12:06 < huebi> [anders]: did something fail before that error? 12:07 < [anders]> huebi: screen and slang iirc.. but both of those carried on after restart.. 12:07 < esden> huebi: ok 12:08 < huebi> esden: The old kernel packages had a big problem with the include files. If you have uninstalled the linux package glibc had no include files anymore. Really Bad that thing. 12:09 < huebi> Now the header files from the kernel are copied to /usr/include/{asm,linux}. All should be fine then if you do not pkg-remove linux-header 12:10 < huebi> should we better call it linux-headers? 12:11 < esden> hmm ... I think that is ok 12:11 < esden> you can change it if you want ... 12:12 < huebi> jo, I know... 12:12 < huebi> ;-) 12:12 < rxr> huebi: I'm just wondering whether you have already sent the Slowlaris CD to me ? ;-) 12:12 < huebi> but I want to find a good consece for all. 12:13 < huebi> rxr: No, I didn't I just found them while cleanig up here. Can you give me your address again, please. (I send armijns CD today too) 12:15 < rxr> huebi: ;-) sure 12:16 < esden> huebi: if I remember correctly sawmill supports Xinerama 12:18 < esden> 30 D Jul 10 Christine Hall ( 2.5K) WWW2.ROCKLINUX.DE 12:18 < esden> muahaha 12:18 < esden> that is cool 12:18 < esden> I get now spam because of rocklinux >_< 12:20 < esden> huebi: should the linux-header pacage not be built in stage 1 ? 12:22 < esden> ohh ... i think i see the problem ... 12:24 < esden> argh ... ok .. i forgot the -d option while running cvs up 12:24 < esden> ok ... now all works 12:27 < huebi> esden: cvs up -dP is the prefered way 12:27 < huebi> ;-) 12:27 < esden> yes now I know 12:32 -!- WKaibigan [~Aloicious@ACB656EE.ipt.aol.com] has joined #rocklinux 12:38 < esden> only for info I got vim downto 360kb binary ... it is only 5kb bigger than nvi 12:39 -!- Ge0rG is now known as ge0rg 12:40 < [anders]> huebi: getting close to having all the patches now.. Will pull CVS, try and apply all of them and if that works, I'll tar them up and pass them on to you.. :) 12:44 * -> esden registred @ bk 12:44 < esden> i have to test it ... 12:44 < esden> and I want the newest kernel sources 12:44 < [anders]> esden: is bk any good? 12:45 < esden> [anders]: I will know when I have tested it ... I would prefere if it would be under gpl ... but one can not have everything 12:46 < [anders]> Quite.. Linus himself said that if something equivalent of BitKeeper had been GPL, he would have used it, but as there was nothing as good as BK, he decided to use that.. 12:47 < [anders]> I must say, can't fault the logic there. VMware is the best tool for the type of job it does and I do not have a problem paying for the software as it serves the purpose. If it was more expensive I would perhaps think about it.. 12:47 < esden> yes I know ... I have followed the whole discussion ... that is why I want to test it 12:48 < [anders]> If the tools are good and there is no free alternative, paying for them isn't so bad.. 12:48 < [anders]> :) 12:48 < esden> [anders]: sure that is also my philosophy 12:48 < [anders]> Hence why I use OpenOffice and not StarOffice.. :-D 12:48 < esden> hehe 12:49 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pc19.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #rocklinux 12:49 < bluefire> Hi 12:49 < [anders]> re bluefire 12:51 -!- holyolli [~oregehr@rossini.marcant.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:51 < holyolli> moin 12:51 < [anders]> esden: so how is the work with dietlibc going? I understand that not everything works with it. 12:51 < [anders]> re holyolli 12:51 < holyolli> hi anders 13:00 < esden> [anders]: i currently have to get alpha port further ... I havo also exams at the moment .. when my exams are over I will continue with the dietlibc target ... I have many patches still laying around on my machine ... but I have not found the time to submit them ... I will do it hopefully soon ... the problem with the patches is that they are really nasty ... and should be cleaned up ... 13:00 -!- WKaibigan [~Aloicious@ACB656EE.ipt.aol.com] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:01 < esden> I know that not all is working on dietlibc ... but I also know when I/we investy enough effort then we can get all running on it ... also helping the dietlibc developers to create a full quality libc ... 13:01 < esden> that is smaller and cleaner than glibc ... but there is still long way to go ... but someone has to go this way ... 13:02 < esden> uclibc would be also an alternative ... but this is a stripped down glibc .... and I do not like this idea 13:02 < esden> hi holyolli 13:06 < huebi> moin holyolli ;-) 13:07 < esden> I will create a uClibc target .. I have already started with it on my laptop ... but I have not done much on it @ [anders] 13:07 < esden> argh .. I need a faster alpha >_< ... this compiles need years 13:08 < huebi> esden: read fakes CrosCC Howto *eg* 13:08 < [anders]> esden: I see.. the dietlibc would be really nice to get going.. It should perhaps even be faster than glibc ? 13:10 < esden> [anders]: I have already built a full system that you can changeroot in on dietlibc ... so I know it is possible to make a full system based on dietlibc 13:10 < esden> but currently many things in 1.7 have been changed ... so I have to fix all that before I continue wit the real work ... 13:12 < esden> [anders]: I think that it will be really faster than gilbc ... on example ... I need to compile glibc on hour or so ... dietlibc needs less then then 5 minutes 13:12 < rxr> esden: remeber to checkout my fixed 1.7 tree via rsync ... 13:12 < rxr> maybe I have the time to put all of my souces into subversion within the next days ... 13:12 < esden> rxr: yes I will but I am currently concentrating on my exams and alpha ... 13:13 < esden> rxr: I wish you a lot of luck with subversion ... 13:13 < rxr> esden: sure ;-) 13:13 < [anders]> esden: yes, it saves on compile-time.. what about at runtime? 13:14 < holyolli> hi esden, huebi 13:15 < holyolli> esden: have you already tested the current snap with alpha? 13:15 < esden> I have not made performance tests with dietlibc till now ... I will do it when I come back to work on this target ... 13:15 < esden> holyolli: I am testing the cvs checkout currently 13:16 < [anders]> argh.. uploading an 8kb file taking more than 2 minutes. that is baaaaad! 13:16 < esden> I have fixed some bugs in the last days 13:16 < holyolli> esden: nice! which ones? 13:17 < esden> with minicom ... there was something ... 13:17 < huebi> [anders]: moment please... 13:18 < [anders]> huebi: patches uploaded.. 13:18 < holyolli> esden: any idea why qt doesn't compile? 13:18 < esden> but before that i have done som fixes to the linux kernel packages ... added optimalization for this 30 different alpha processors 13:18 < SMP> hi. 13:18 < [anders]> re SMP 13:18 < esden> holyolli: I have not reached it till now ... 13:18 < esden> hi SMP 13:18 < holyolli> esden: ah 13:18 < huebi> [anders]: The line is free now. 13:18 < huebi> Moin SMP ;-)) 13:18 < [anders]> huebi: already managed to get them up.. :) 13:19 < holyolli> hi smp 13:19 < huebi> minicom is fixed. 13:19 < [anders]> huebi: hope it all is in order, I have tried with patching the tree from CVS and it all works.. 13:19 < esden> == 13:26:05 =[2]=> Building base package ncurses [5.2 1.5.17_2002-07-08_09h20]. @ holyolli 13:19 < holyolli> ah 13:20 < huebi> the tar ball of minicom and it's URL changed. But not the version. 13:20 < esden> I was much more advanced but huebi changed some things with kernel packages ... so I restarted the build to make sure all works fine 13:21 * [anders] will kick off another build now with the latest private tree and hope for the best.. 13:22 < esden> [anders]: I wish you luck 13:23 < [anders]> esden: thanks.. :) It fell over on libgtop before.. in stage 3.. I hope to get further this time.. 13:24 -!- Netsplit sendak.openprojects.net <-> irc.openprojects.net quits: [anders] 13:25 -!- Netsplit over, joins: [anders] 13:25 < huebi> re [anders] 13:25 < esden> re [anders] 13:27 < [anders]> re huebi esden 13:27 -!- WKaibigan [~Aloicious@ACB402FE.ipt.aol.com] has joined #rocklinux 13:27 < esden> does anyone of you want to spend me a DS20E with two 833Mhz processors and 2Gb ram ... ? 13:27 < holyolli> esden: www.ebay.com 13:27 < esden> 1 GB should be enough too 13:27 < holyolli> ;) 13:27 < esden> holyolli: I have no money ... >_< 13:27 < esden> I have not seen money for years .... >_< 13:27 < huebi> esden: Do you have stones or potatoes? 13:27 < holyolli> ./dcc send esden colorprinter 13:27 < holyolli> ;) 13:28 -!- Caspar__ [~steven261@212186221174.teleweb.at] has joined #rocklinux 13:28 < esden> huebi: yes ... have some stones in my shues 13:29 < esden> holyolli: thanks 13:29 < huebi> esden: Pure carbone stones? 13:29 < Caspar__> Hi ! Anyone expirience with coda ? 13:29 < esden> huebi: no ... ... I have no cole here ;-) 13:30 < huebi> esden: made with high pressure und temperatur out of olg dinosaurs? 13:30 < esden> and diamonds either 13:30 < huebi> yes diamonds that was the word I searched for ;-))) 13:31 < SMP> someone here was fiddeling with ACPI on 2.4? 13:31 < th> SMP: no. but tell me about it after you did, please. 13:31 < huebi> SMP: I use it on my dual XP. 13:32 < SMP> where can I find the patch? 13:32 < SMP> for the backport from 2.5, I mean 13:34 < huebi> It shuts down fine. That is all I need. I activated: [*] Prompt for development and/or incomplete code/drivers 13:35 < huebi> Then there is: 13:35 -!- holyolli [~oregehr@rossini.marcant.net] has quit ("fnord!") 13:35 < huebi> General setup ---> [*] ACPI support 13:36 < huebi> No patch. It's in 2.4.18 13:36 < huebi> SMP: Is it that, what you want? 13:36 < SMP> I know this, but it sucks 13:37 < huebi> ACK 13:37 < SMP> there must be a backport of the ACPI subsystem from 2.5 13:38 < huebi> SMP: Perhaps in the kernel SRPMs of RH, SuSE, mdk? 13:39 < [anders]> == 12:38:23 =[1]=> Building base package 00-dirtree [1.5.17-private 1.5.17-private]. 13:40 < [anders]> SMP: I was tinkering with it, and having big problems.. 13:40 < SMP> [anders]: the backport from 2.5? where can I get it? 13:40 < [anders]> SMP: no, just the plain ACPI in 2.4.18 13:40 < [anders]> it kept locking my box up.. 13:41 < SMP> the plain ACPI just sucks 13:41 < [anders]> (and locking it to the point I had to remove power to get it back..) 13:41 < [anders]> I thought I had cooked the CPU.. 13:45 < rxr> SMP: acpi.sf.net or so ... 13:47 < [anders]> SMP: https://www.brodo.de/english/pub/acpi/ 13:48 < [anders]> "2.4.18 + acpi-20020611 / 2.5.21 + 13:48 < [anders]> acpi-20020611 / 2.5.22 or later" 13:48 < [anders]> that could be the latest acpi for 2.4.18 there is at the moment.. 13:49 < [anders]> https://acpi.sourceforge.net 13:51 < SMP> can't find any patches at acpi.sf.net .. 13:51 < huebi> https://www.brodo.de/english/pub/acpi/20020611/bugfixes.html 13:52 < SMP> 'should remove bugs in the Linux acpi-20020611 release' 13:53 < SMP> so I need that acpi-20020611 release first 13:53 < huebi> https://www.brodo.de/english/pub/acpi/pci_irq/pciirq.27.acpi24.diff 13:53 < huebi> https://www.brodo.de/english/pub/acpi/pci_irq/index.html 13:54 < rxr> SMP: https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=36832&release_id=98870 13:55 < SMP> ah! thanks 13:55 < SMP> but I might go with the ACPI parts from WOLK-3.5-pre3 13:56 < rxr> SMP: for whta do you use WOLK ???? 13:56 < SMP> for ripping out the ACPI patches 13:57 < rxr> ah i c 13:58 < SMP> hmm 13:58 < SMP> ALSA, preempt and lowlatency are also in there 13:59 * SMP going to give wolk-3.5-rc3 a shot :} 14:00 < SMP> ls linux-2.4.18-wolk3.5-rc3-patchset/ | wc -l 14:00 < SMP> 515 14:01 < SMP> hell. 14:01 < SMP> it has a 'working' in it, right? ;> 14:10 < fake_> what is wolk? 14:10 < fake_> o_O? 14:10 < fake_> aaaah! i am infected by a "_" 14:10 < esden> fake_: Working Overloaded Linux Kernel 14:10 -!- fake_ is now known as fake 14:10 < fake> esden: aaah. you told me about it 14:10 < esden> a patchset to the standard vanilla kernel 14:11 < esden> fake: yups 14:11 < fake> where to get? *g* 14:11 < esden> fake: r u @ work or @ homu 14:11 < esden> e 14:11 < fake> *killing spare time at work* 14:11 < esden> work.sf.net ? 14:11 < esden> argh 14:11 < esden> i mean wolk.sf.net 14:11 < fake> i c 14:12 < esden> or www.sf.net/projects/wolk 14:12 < snyke> re 14:12 < esden> hi snyke 14:12 < esden> and yes hi fake ;-) 14:12 < fake> *ROFL* @WOLK-Logo 14:12 * -> esden compiling linus linux kernel tree checkout ... fresh and hot checkout from bk 14:13 < esden> fake: hehe .. this pinguil is FAT ;-) rolf as a penguin 14:17 < fake> esden: which version is that ? 2.5.25-preX ? 14:18 < esden> #define UTS_RELEASE "2.5.25" 14:18 < esden> #define LINUX_VERSION_CODE 132377 14:18 < esden> from include/linux/version.h 14:19 < fake> ah. 14:20 * fake gibt sich Nightwish 14:25 < esden> ok ... build ready ... /me testing kernel ... brb 14:25 < [anders]> huebi: does the patches make any sense? :) 14:26 * huebi dreaming of a kernel working only as module loader. Never reboot again - just through the box away. 14:26 < fake> 499 patches... 14:26 < fake> huebi: MACH 14:27 < huebi> If I had the knowledge I would have it done. 14:27 < fake> huebi: neine ich meine den MACH-Kernel 14:27 < fake> *lol* 14:28 < huebi> axo *g* 14:29 * [anders] needs a mug of tea.. Preferable Lapsang Souchong.... 14:29 < [anders]> feels like drinking a cigar... *g* 14:31 * fake is laughning his ass off 14:32 < fake> WOLK is using the vanilla sources like it were some cheap nasty bitch... 14:35 < esden> not working >_< 14:35 < fake> NWOLK ;-) 14:35 < esden> the 2.5 tree does not like my ide chipset 14:35 < huebi> esden: enable the "Kerner lamer mode" 14:36 < esden> huebi: yes ... that will help for sure 14:36 < [anders]> I like the WOLKcontributor, "Oliver Xymoron" 14:36 < esden> huebi: but I wanted to do it the hard way ;-) 14:36 < fake> "Now booting the... wait. you are a Lamer? Booting Windows...." 14:36 < [anders]> hehehe.. nice name.. 14:37 < SMP> yeah, for those to whom WOLK is not enough thrill there is still FOLK 14:37 < huebi> esden: The Hardway:cat /dev/random |make config *eg* 14:37 < fake> SMP: i already feel ashamed to aplly-or-die 500 patches 14:41 < fake> [ ] VIA - if i copy i get oops() (HACK) (NEW) 14:41 < fake> *ROFL* 14:41 < esden> huebi: dd bc=100 if=/dev/random of=/boot/vmlinuz ; lilo ; roboot 14:42 < huebi> ;-0 14:42 < fake> < > SVR3/SVR4 (and derivates) binary emulation support 14:42 < fake> *OUCH* 14:48 < [anders]> hmm.. build fails between stage 1 and 2... 14:48 < [anders]> trying to build the flist_wrapper and things from /usr/include is not there.. 14:49 < esden> [anders]: you have not co the linux-header package 14:50 < esden> [anders]: make a cvs up -dP 14:50 < esden> [anders]: I had the same problem some hours ago 14:51 < [anders]> esden: can I do that against the anoncvs ? 14:52 < esden> yes your changes will not be touched ... and if there are collisions they will be reported and you can fix them manually 14:52 < [anders]> esden: ok, trying the update now.. 14:53 < fake> [ ] Many (~2080) SCSI discs support (requires devfs) (NEW) 14:53 < fake> *bwuahaha* 14:54 < esden> fake: that is really needed ... I have also 2000 ide disks in my intel box ;-) 14:55 < fake> esden: no, that were 2000 Hz. you always mix that up... tststs. 14:55 -!- ge0rg is now known as Ge0rG 14:55 < esden> fake: oh ... yes ... sorry >_< 14:55 < fake> ;-) 14:57 -!- Freak [freak@pD9530593.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 15:01 < SMP> fake: well 200 SCSI disks are an issue. think of a really big SGI box with 100 SCSI controllers or so 15:02 < SMP> s,200,&0, 15:03 < SMP> the SGI folks did run XLV / XFS over a couple of hundred disks some years ago 15:03 < SMP> no SCSI RAID controller or anything 15:05 < fake> phew... 15:07 < [anders]> esden: the update seems to have removed a few things.. but nothing seems to have updated linux-header or similar.. 15:07 < [anders]> :-? 15:07 < esden> hmm ... strange ... 15:07 < esden> why removed ? ... it purged empty directorys ... that is ok ... I think 15:07 < esden> . 15:08 < [anders]> has the changes propagated through to anoncvs ? 15:08 < esden> [anders]: does the directory base-config/linux-header exist ? 15:09 < [anders]> esden: yes.. afaict 15:10 < esden> ok then run ./scripts/Puzzle and rerun the build ... then all should work (I hope) 15:10 < esden> you do not have to rebuild everything ... only run ./scripts/Build-All <option> 15:11 < [anders]> esden: that is what I had done.. 15:11 < [anders]> and it still failed.. 15:11 < [anders]> let me diff only linux-header in my tree and against CVS.. 15:13 < [anders]> no difference between the two.. 15:14 < [anders]> although running Puzzle yet again and then restarting the build worked.. 15:15 < [anders]> this I do not understand.. I run Puzzle, I start the build, it fails, I run Puzzle again, restart the build and it works.. Can someone explain that one to me? 15:15 < esden> hmm ... strange ... I do not understand this 15:15 < [anders]> <aol>me too!>/aol> 15:15 < [anders]> erk </aol> 15:17 < esden> huebi: ??? 15:25 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 15:25 < Mike1> Moin 15:27 < [anders]> re Mike1 15:27 < Mike1> [anders] :) 15:29 < [anders]> Mike1: I got that ISO thank you.. I will copy the sources into my tree shortly.. I want to get base+opt building through stage 3 first though.. Things has not been working well today... 15:30 < Mike1> [anders]: you are welcome 15:30 < Mike1> [anders]: feel free to get my base+opt iso too :) 15:33 < esden> Mike1: which arch was it ? intel ? 15:33 < Mike1> hello esden 15:33 < esden> hi Mike1 15:34 < esden> ;-) 15:34 < Mike1> esden: they are just the sources downloaded so they will work fine for any arch 15:34 < esden> hmm ... the kernel needs also a half eternity to compile an alpha ... >_< 15:35 < Mike1> i wish i had an alpha, even if i had to wait an eternity to compile the kernel :) 15:35 < esden> Mike1: ahh ok ... I do not think that it will work on all arches but that is an other story ;-) 15:35 < Mike1> esden: mmm... give it try :) 15:36 < Mike1> if it doesnt work i can iso for sparc too :) 15:37 < esden> Mike1: yes ok ... I have to fead my other alpha with rock and put it online ... then I can run one "fast" compile and one "slow" or test the images I make ... 15:37 < esden> Mike1: thanks I have the sources now all together ... ;-) 15:38 < Mike1> esden: welcome :) 15:38 < esden> I would like to have a simmilar sources mirroring system like in 1.7 also in 1.5 .. but it is only really important when you get the sources the first time 15:39 < Mike1> thought no body gave a shit about it besides [anders] and huebi 15:39 < Mike1> yeah 15:39 < esden> Mike1: I think that is a good thing this iso's 15:39 < h0h0> hmm 15:39 < h0h0> Mike1: the grub readme says that it supports reiserfs :) 15:40 < esden> do nat bother ... when the isos get mirrored and onnounced then there will be enough rock newbies that will get them ... 15:40 < Mike1> h0h0: great so it 15:40 < esden> h0h0: that is good ... have you tested it ? 15:40 < Mike1> esden: hehe good thats what they are for 15:40 * h0h0 rebooted uselessly! 15:40 < Mike1> h0h0: lol 15:41 < esden> h0h0: lol 15:41 < Mike1> esden: i gave him the grub sources earlier today, the grub download location have been down for a few days now 15:41 < esden> I think I will put my alphas in a cluster ... for compiling ;-) 15:41 < Mike1> cool 15:42 < esden> Mike1: hmm ... that is no good ... 15:42 < Mike1> ja i know 15:43 < Mike1> esden: will you be at 19c3? 15:45 < esden> Mike1: sure I will 15:46 < Mike1> is it easy to get a place to sleep over there? 15:46 < Mike1> $$ 15:46 < esden> argh ... some network drivers have unresolved symbols on alpha ... that is stupid ... i start to ignore all the unresolved symbols orror messages from the kernel ... they become so frequent ... :-( 15:46 < esden> Mike1: yes very easy .. you sleep beside your machine ;-) 15:47 < Mike1> haha 15:47 < Mike1> i can seriously take a sleeping bag and sleep there? 15:47 < esden> Mike1: that is no joke ... most of us sleep in the hall 15:47 < Mike1> esden: good 15:47 < esden> Mike1: sure you can 15:47 < Mike1> what about food? 15:47 < Mike1> and places to take a shower and store ur bags 15:48 < esden> Mike1: there are pizza stores and other where you can get something to eat 15:48 < esden> no shower no bag storage ... 15:49 < Mike1> so i dont take showers in 3 days??? 15:49 < esden> but you can also go to someone who has a hotell and get a shower there ... 15:49 < fake> who needs showers? 15:49 < h0h0> 19c3? 15:49 < esden> fake: full ack ;-) 15:49 < Mike1> fake: lol 15:49 < esden> h0h0: yes 15:49 < h0h0> heh, everyone I know is going to h2k2 15:50 < esden> h0h0: 19 Chaos Computer Congress 15:50 < Mike1> esden: is stuff cheap there? 15:50 < h0h0> ah, ccc. 15:50 < h0h0> where is it? 15:50 < esden> h0h0: in berlin 15:50 < h0h0> oh. little far for me :) 15:51 < Mike1> i am willing to stay there for about 1 week do you think $2000 for expenses would be enought? 15:51 < esden> Mike1: hmm ... it depands to what you want to compare 15:51 < esden> Mike1: I can not tell ... no idea 15:51 < Mike1> i see 15:51 < Mike1> ok i will have to find it out 15:52 < esden> Mike1: yes ;-) 15:52 < Mike1> i am working hard to go 15:52 < Mike1> i am sure we will have a lot of fun :-) 15:52 < esden> == 15:49:16 =[3]=> Building base package binutils [2.12.90.0.11 1.5.17_2002-07-08_09h20]. 15:52 < esden> hmm ... natalie is advancing 15:52 < Mike1> esden: nice 15:53 < Mike1> go natalie !! :) 15:53 < esden> I still wait for minicom ... I really want to know if there is still the bug I have observed yesterday 15:54 < Mike1> what was it? 15:55 < h0h0> can you install rock linux from nothing but a floppy and a fast net connection? 15:55 < esden> non existant link from /usr/share/automake-1.6 to /usr/share/automake ... confused minicom ill configure scripts ... and some missing .po files in the po subdirectory of minicom made problems too ... 15:55 < Mike1> h0h0: you can build it from a floppy disk containing the rock sources 15:55 < Mike1> thats the beggining 15:56 < Mike1> also you need to have a linux distro instalaed to build rock with 15:56 < esden> h0h0: on debian it works almost without any problems ... 15:57 < esden> h0h0: but there is also an iso to build rock ... made by blindcoder ... but I do not know if huebi released his isos already 15:57 < Mike1> thought there is nothing like building rock with rock :) 15:58 < Mike1> esden: really? 15:58 < esden> Mike1: not really ... that is because nearly nobody is trying to compile rock on any other distro beside rock 15:59 < h0h0> so if I fuck my hd over, and I dont have a rock CD, can I install rock? 15:59 < esden> ok ... natalie is compiling gcc third time ... 15:59 < Mike1> i tryed to do it with splack Linux 15:59 < Mike1> it was a pain in the ass 15:59 < Mike1> h0h0: you mean a clean hd and only the sources on the floppy? 15:59 < esden> h0h0: no, but what distro you can? 16:00 < h0h0> Mike1: yeah 16:00 < esden> debian needs 6 disks or more to be installed on a clean system 16:00 < Mike1> no you need a base system to work 16:00 < h0h0> esden: I have slackware on here right now, but It takes up my entire harddrive 16:01 < Mike1> https://soldc.sun.com/articles/sparcv9.pdf 16:01 < Mike1> h0h0: whats the size of your hard drive? 16:03 < h0h0> 10 gigs 16:03 * [anders] has been making patches to make ROCK build system work w/o alteration when using Debian as build base.. 16:04 < Mike1> h0h0: slackware is not a good idea to work with to build rock i've found many issues with it 16:04 < h0h0> ok, I just overwrote lilo, but im not going to reboot untill im sure I can save this machine 16:04 < Mike1> ofcourse it was slackware 8.0 havent tryed 8.1 and i guess wont ;) 16:05 < h0h0> Mike1: if I have an old rock cd, what can I do with it 16:05 < [anders]> mmmmm.. in stage 2 now.. 16:05 < Mike1> h0h0: how old? 16:05 < h0h0> Mike1: six months 16:05 < [anders]> esden: did not get the same problem as before this time around.. 16:05 < esden> [anders]: I have made some such patches too as I had debian on my alpha 16:06 < [anders]> esden: huebi have most of them now, I do not know when they will go in or if... 16:06 < Mike1> h0h0: the worst thing that can happen is the it dont boot 16:07 < [anders]> esden: I will go through the ext's as well in 1.5.17 and fix them as well.. 16:07 < h0h0> Mike1: the cd? 16:07 < Mike1> in which case you can have a vmlinuz image that work, or you can just boot from cd, mount the rot partition and chroot on it 16:07 < esden> [anders]: that is good 16:07 < [anders]> but I don't have cvs access to sourceforge to I will probably feed the fixes back through huebi.. :) 16:07 < [anders]> I am sure huebi doesn't mind.. ;-) 16:07 < h0h0> Mike1: I know I can probably save it, but im just wondering about if grub decides do `dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda` 16:08 < h0h0> and I loose my system, can I sucessfuly install rock? 16:08 < esden> [anders]: get the access then ... only write an email to pjotr prins ... and then you get access 16:08 < Mike1> h0h0: with ur old cd? yeah it should 16:08 < h0h0> and then I can update that old one to the latest? 16:08 < [anders]> esden: I might do that.. I'll see how much there is to do first.. 16:08 < esden> [anders]: when you send patches to huebi it takes pretty long till they get applied ... 16:08 < Mike1> [anders]: yeah create ur self an account in sourceforge than mail pjort prins 16:09 < esden> [anders]: ok ... that is the best way ... but creating a sf account is not a bad idea ... when you ask me 16:09 < Mike1> h0h0: yeah you can update the packages 16:09 < h0h0> ok, then I guess Ill go for it 16:09 < Mike1> or you can just download the latest iso 16:10 < [anders]> esden/Mike1: I'll get a sf account and then I can update ext's as and when I get chance.. 16:10 < Mike1> [anders]: yeah i think that will work just fine for you 16:10 < Mike1> :) 16:11 < h0h0> ok, lets see if this works now 16:11 < h0h0> if Im not back in 5 minutes, blame grub 16:11 < Mike1> h0h0: sure :D 16:11 < Mike1> h0h0: we will 16:11 < Mike1> h0h0: you backed up ur files right? 16:11 < h0h0> oh right :) 16:11 < esden> is rxr somewhere around / 16:11 < esden> ? 16:12 < h0h0> /var/www, /home/hoho, /usr/pics, and that should be good. 16:14 < esden> pics ... yes ok ;-) 16:14 < h0h0> no no no, pics of my family (clothed) :) 16:14 < [anders]> h0h0: whatever you say mate.. ;-) 16:14 < h0h0> haha 16:15 < esden> h0h0: yes right ... 16:15 < esden> ;-) 16:15 < Mike1> h0h0: maybe you can lets see ur "clothed family" sometime 16:15 < Mike1> ;) 16:17 < snyke> m0h 16:17 < h0h0> If I return with my system intact, I will 16:18 < Mike1> lol 16:18 < Mike1> hi snyke 16:20 < h0h0> arg, why does it take so long to tar these files! 16:20 * Mike1 getting ready to start a clean build of 1.5.17 16:21 < Mike1> h0h0: maybe you have a big "family" and you have a lot of pics of then >_< 16:22 < h0h0> yes that must be the reason 16:22 < Mike1> :) 16:22 < Mike1> [anders]: you started a new build? 16:24 < [anders]> Mike1: it is in stage 3 now.. 16:25 < Mike1> [anders]: building ext too? 16:25 < [anders]> I hope to have it complete successfully by tomorrow morning. 16:25 < Mike1> [anders]: good :) 16:25 < [anders]> Mike1: Once base+opt builds cleanly, I will build the ext part as well.. :) 16:26 < [anders]> I have CPU to burn.. ;-D 16:27 < [anders]> it is building gcc this moment.. 16:28 -!- Freak [freak@pD9530593.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:29 < Mike1> re Freak 16:29 < Freak> re mike 16:40 < esden> hi Freak 16:40 * Freak waves 16:48 < h0h0> arg, my home dir is 3 gigs 16:49 < h0h0> fuck this, 16:50 < Freak> haha 16:50 < Freak> mine is 7,2 16:50 < Freak> >;) 16:51 < Freak> 1 user ;) 16:52 < h0h0> hmm 16:52 < h0h0> ok, here I go 16:53 < Mike1> cu h0h0 16:53 < h0h0> 5 minutes, or not, blame grub 16:53 -!- h0h0 [~hoho@3ffe:80ee:7c6:0:0:0:0:fe] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 16:53 < esden> oh ipv6 ... 16:54 < Mike1> esden: ? 16:54 < rxr> hm - Konqueror-3.0.2 still crashes from time to time :-( 16:54 < Mike1> hi rxr 16:54 < rxr> hi Mike1 16:55 < Mike1> rxr: crashes on 1.7 tree? 16:57 < rxr> Mike1: the konqueror from kde-3.0.2 crashes from time to time on my dRock system ... (but on others as well) .... 16:58 < esden> Mike1: "h0h0 [~hoho@3ffe:80ee:7c6:0:0:0:0:fe]" 16:58 < esden> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 16:58 -!- Caspar__ [~steven261@212186221174.teleweb.at] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:58 -!- h0h0 [~hoho@3ffe:80ee:7c6:0:0:0:0:fe] has joined #rocklinux 16:59 < rxr> h0h0: you hare on an ipv6 net ? 16:59 < h0h0> that was the most anticlimatic thing Ive ever done 16:59 < h0h0> rxr: yeah 16:59 < rxr> h0h0: where ? 16:59 < h0h0> ohio 16:59 < h0h0> tunnel broker 17:00 < h0h0> I was at least *somewhat* hopeing my system would get fucked and I could install rock 17:00 < esden> re h0h0 17:02 < h0h0> what does re stand for agin? 17:02 < h0h0> I asked once and promptly forgot 17:03 < esden> h0h0: for REdoing something ... 17:04 < h0h0> re-/joining 17:05 < Mike1> esden: strange thing huh? 17:06 < Mike1> rxr: i dont use kde so i cant tell 17:06 < esden> Mike1: I first have seen "re hi" when someone said "hi" and someone other responded ... or when someone was rejoining 17:07 < esden> and it became abbrevated to a simple "re" 17:07 < Mike1> :) 17:10 * Mike1 loosing the fight against sleep 17:11 < Mike1> shit it only 9am and i am falling sleep, i have to wait about 10 more hours to sleep :(( 17:11 < esden> Mike1: coffe is not helping anymore ? 17:11 < Mike1> esden: no 17:11 < Mike1> nothing 17:11 < esden> Mike1: how many hours are you already awake ? 17:11 < Mike1> i guess my body developed some kind of imunity for coffee or something 17:11 < Mike1> i wake up 3 hours ago 17:12 < h0h0> how long did you sleep? 17:12 < Mike1> and slept almost 5 hours 17:12 < Ge0rG> how about club mate? 17:12 < h0h0> heh 17:12 < Mike1> Ge0rG: no club mate here :( 17:12 < Ge0rG> then its time to get some ;) 17:12 * Mike1 looking for a beer 17:13 * h0h0 wants beer 17:13 * -> esden wants beer too 17:13 < Mike1> *g 17:13 < h0h0> whats the drinking age in germany 17:14 < Mike1> 3? 17:14 < Mike1> *g 17:14 < h0h0> ? 17:14 < WKaibigan> They are born with Steins in their hands in Germany ;-) 17:14 < Mike1> WKaibigan: hehe 17:14 < h0h0> bah. 17:14 < h0h0> mabey I will come to 19c3 17:15 < rxr> huebi: the browsable sourcecode seems to be rather old. 1.5.14 or so ... ???!? 17:15 < Mike1> h0h0: cool so we shall meet there 17:15 < rxr> huebi: the cvsweb doesn 17:15 < rxr> 't work 17:16 < rxr> *: Where is online browseable 1.5 code ? 17:17 < Mike1> rxr: https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/rock-1.5/ 17:17 < rxr> tnx Mike1 17:17 < rxr> I now downloaded the last snap ... 17:18 < Mike1> rxr: have fun 17:18 < esden> h0h0: only in bavaria is it so ... 17:18 < h0h0> is what so? 17:18 < rxr> where is aboot in 1.5 ? 17:18 < rxr> No aboot in 1.5? 17:18 < esden> ahh that was WKaibigan not you h0h0 17:19 < h0h0> ok 17:19 < Mike1> rxr: no 17:19 < Mike1> sorry yes 17:19 < rxr> Mike1: why ? 17:19 < Mike1> its in the base 17:19 < WKaibigan> Here in Wales, we get fed beer via the umbilical cord whilst we are still in the womb :-) 17:20 < Mike1> rxr: 17:20 < Mike1> [root@marte rock-src-1.5.17]# find -name *aboot* 17:20 < Mike1> ./base-config/aboot 17:20 < Mike1> ./base-config/aboot/aboot.conf 17:20 < Mike1> ./base-config/aboot/aboot.desc 17:20 < Mike1> ./base-config/aboot/aboot.pz 17:20 < Mike1> ./base-config/aboot/aboot.setup 17:20 < Mike1> ./base-archive/aboot 17:20 < Mike1> ./base-archive/aboot/aboot-0.9.tar.bz2 17:20 < Mike1> [root@marte rock-src-1.5.17]# find -name *aboot* 17:20 < Mike1> </flood> 17:22 < Mike1> rxr: also i sent a mail to the rock list with urls to get the package sources isos if you wish to use them 17:22 < rxr> Mike1: no I do not need them ... - but why do you use an ISO ? single files are much more useable - and reduse traffic, because you can manually select which onces you need ... 17:23 < Mike1> rxr: was an idea, i could easily upload my tree 17:24 < rxr> esden: I added aboot to 1.7 17:24 < esden> rxr: ok ... 17:24 < Mike1> rxr: some people i know still connects through dial up, and they want to build rock but it takes forever to download everyfile 17:25 < esden> rxr: I first have to get curl running on alpha >_< 17:25 < rxr> into the freshly created alpha repository ;-) 17:25 < rxr> esden: btw: we have now arround "464 active packages" on an intel build ;-) 17:26 < esden> rxr: cool ... that is pretty good count 17:27 < rxr> (I have added aboot so I have another repository for the list in the LInux Magazin ;-) 17:29 < esden> rxr: looool ... you are cool ... *lough* 17:29 < rxr> ;-) 17:29 < esden> rxr: I wanted to add aboot some time ago ... but because curl was not running I left it ... 17:29 < rxr> I should also write the Create-CD script so I do not have to mention that it is not yet updated ;-) 17:33 < fake> th: the IGA1682 _is_ capable of 75Hz, and 65k colors at 1024x768 17:33 < th> hmm 17:33 < fake> th: i'm digging deeper now 17:33 < th> fake: _should_ be even capable of 80Hz 17:34 < th> fake: SMP, Ge0rG and me only get 60Hz 17:34 < fake> th: not according to the HOT-15x Satasheet 17:34 < th> fake: ahh ok 17:34 < fake> th: me too. i was mistaken 17:34 < fake> Datasheet 17:34 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pc19.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit ("leaving") 17:34 < th> fake: would be great if you achieve better frequencies 17:35 * rxr repoiting into 2.4.19-rc1 - cu 17:36 < fake> th: now that i saw X oat 60 Hz, Freqency is my primary goal 17:36 < th> hehe 17:36 < th> great 17:36 < Ge0rG> ,oO( or getting a TFT display for the krups ) 17:37 < Ge0rG> maybe I shouldn't tell this too loud, but TFTs look great at 60Hz... 17:37 < fake> TFTs look great if they are for free 17:37 < [anders]> Ge0rG: they look pretty good at 85Hz as well... ;-) 17:39 < fake> IGS Mode Nr. for 1024x768@75Hz-16bit is 0x52 17:39 < th> fake: you could try to set it with rdev 17:40 < th> but i think this won't work 17:40 < esden> fake: then get one ... from a bank ... there always are standing so many of these displays ;-) 17:40 < fake> rdev? 17:40 < rxr> re 17:40 < fake> esden: my way of defining "free" does not involve criminal activities. 17:40 < Ge0rG> btw, XFree only mentions the 1682 as a known PCI device - there seems to be no driver support at all 17:41 < rxr> [anders]: most TFT will not display 85 Hz ... 17:41 < fake> Ge0rG: only Framebuffer 17:41 < Ge0rG> fake: framebuffer X sucks 17:43 < fake> Ge0rG: no X sucks even more. 17:43 < th> ack 17:43 < fake> i already tried to build microwindows/nano-X 17:44 < fake> no-go 17:45 < fake> they don't even mention sparc 17:45 < esden> fake: who was talking here about criminal activitys ... ? 17:45 < Mike1> rxr: any new snapshot coming over soon? 17:46 < Mike1> 1.7 tree 17:46 < fake> esden: not me :P 17:46 < esden> fake: me nither :P 17:47 < rxr> Mike1: I can not upload snaps - you can rsync my 1.7 tree ... 17:47 < rxr> Or I could upload a 1.7 snap onto my drocklinux.dyndns.org server ... 17:47 < Mike1> rxr: 17:47 < rxr> yes ? 17:48 < Mike1> no its ok gimme ur server and rsync module to get it 17:48 < rxr> rsync://drocklinux.dyndns.org/rock 17:48 -!- Ge0rG [georg@op-co.de] has quit ("antenne ab") 17:49 < fake> *aaargh* 17:49 < fake> i'm home. 17:49 < fake> l8er. 17:50 * Mike1 rsyncing rxr tree 17:50 < Mike1> cu fake 17:50 < esden> cu fake 17:51 < [anders]> rxr: pretty sure my Samsung TFT at home does 85Hz max refresh-rate 17:51 < rxr> [anders]: ;-) most cheaper onces will not do such high rates ... 17:52 < [anders]> rxr: now that I will agree with.. :) 17:52 < rxr> ;-) 17:53 < [anders]> pretty sure my laptop screen will do 85Hz as well.. Same screen as the new Dell Precision M50 17:53 < Mike1> rxr: i got it thanks 17:54 < rxr> ;-) 17:59 < Mike1> rxr: no subdists on 1.7? 18:02 < rxr> Mike1: Do you take your first look onto 1.7 ? 18:03 < Mike1> rxr: i had look at it long time ago when i attempted to build on sparc64 18:03 < rxr> Mike1: no subdists. 18:03 < Mike1> rxr: wanna give me quick tour on 1.7? 18:03 < Mike1> *g 18:03 < rxr> They became the targets - which can modify the build in many more ways ... 18:04 < rxr> Mike1: I really have no time for a full tour ... 18:04 < rxr> Take a look into the Documentation dir 18:04 < Mike1> rxr: ok :(( 18:04 < Mike1> i am on it right now 18:04 < rxr> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/rene/files/rock-sketch.jpg 18:04 < rxr> ^- Overview 18:05 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/people/rene/rock-talk/0.html 18:05 < Mike1> lol nice thanks 18:05 < rxr> ^- my slides from Linux Tag ... 18:05 < rxr> (cut'n pasten in 50 minutes ....) 18:12 < Mike1> rxr: have you ever thought about porting rock to other languages besides english? 18:13 -!- Ge0rG [georg@op-co.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:13 < Mike1> re Ge0rG 18:13 < Ge0rG> re 18:13 < rxr> Mike1: ? 18:14 -!- Ge0rG is now known as ge0rg 18:14 < Mike1> rxr: like having multilanguage install shell 18:14 < Mike1> and of course having the documentation in other languages too 18:14 < rxr> Yes the new install_shell will have i18n 18:14 < Mike1> nice 18:14 < rxr> You are free to translate it. ;-) I think the guide is available in other languages ... 18:15 < Mike1> rxr: actually yeah i did guide in spanish about a year ago 18:15 < Mike1> :) 18:15 < Mike1> what about the install_shell? 18:17 < rxr> Some lines above I sayed that the new instalL_$(whatever) will be multi lingual ;-) 18:17 < Mike1> yeah how can i help? 18:18 < Mike1> or someone already taking care of spanish? 18:18 < rxr> Hm. Waiting until we have the install target finished - and finished the general cleanup - so we have the time to start the new install system ... 18:18 < Mike1> oh .. k 18:18 < rxr> Mike1: when the install_xyz is useable we will notice you to translate it ;-) 18:19 < Mike1> rxr: will be an honor :) 18:19 < rxr> ,-) 18:19 < Mike1> by now there could be a dir under Documentation named Spanish 18:20 < Mike1> there i could store the Documentation files in spanish 18:20 < Mike1> but thats of course just an idea, 18:23 < esden> argh ... I have to write a script that is removing all source tarballs that are to old ... from a rocklinux build tree ... 18:23 < esden> or is there something like that ? 18:23 < esden> I mean in the 1.7 tree 18:24 < Mike1> esden: i dunno i am just starting to hang around 1.7 18:25 < esden> Mike1: I know ;-) ... but perhups rxr can aswer this question ? 18:25 < Mike1> :) 18:25 < [anders]> bah.. building qt.. my box will be almost dead for an hour more now.. 18:26 < Mike1> qt takes forver :(( 18:26 < fake> re. 18:26 < Mike1> s/forver/forever 18:26 < Mike1> re fake 18:26 < WKaibigan> Anybody compiled grip at all? 18:27 < esden> re fake 18:27 < esden> fake: could you send me the crosscompile doc ? and/or the url? 18:28 < Mike1> WKaibigan: thats an extension i will work it tonight or tomorrow 18:28 < esden> grip ??? 18:29 < WKaibigan> I see it is marked with an asterix in the package descriptions which means there was a problem with it. Just tried to compile it now and it can't find libhttp even though it is installed. 18:29 < fake> esden: second 18:29 < WKaibigan> esden:grip is a CD ripper program. 18:30 < fake> howto-croscc-sparc.h in my home @apollo 18:30 < Mike1> WKaibigan: 1.5.17?? 18:30 < [anders]> in any case.. going home now.. 18:30 < rxr> esden: ./scripts/Download -list-unknown | cut -d ' ' -f 3 | xargs rm -v 18:30 < rxr> (or so) 18:30 < [anders]> talk to ou guys later.. :) 18:31 < Mike1> cu [anders] 18:31 < WKaibigan> Nope. I have 1.5.16 here, 18:32 < esden> rxr: hmm ... that is ok thanks 18:32 < Mike1> WKaibigan: mmm... i havent build any extensions yet so will only be able to help you tomorrow i guess 18:33 < esden> WKaibigan: ahh ok ... I use rip and I am very happy with it 18:33 * -> esden uses console tools where it is possible 18:33 < WKaibigan> What I want is a ripper that also converts to MP3 and grip was the first I saw. 18:33 < esden> I only can not run mozilla in an xterm ;-) 18:34 < WKaibigan> Ok cheers Mike1. 18:34 < esden> WKaibigan: rip also converts to mp3 but also to ogg/vorbis 18:34 < WKaibigan> Does rip use Lame? 18:34 < esden> WKaibigan: yes 18:35 < WKaibigan> Off to find rip then :-) 18:35 < esden> but it can also many other encoders 18:35 < esden> +use 18:35 < Mike1> WKaibigan: i think there was another ano named 123mp3 18:36 < fake> esden: saw it? 18:36 < esden> fake: not yet ... I have to get quikly to my train 18:36 < esden> cu l8er 18:36 < fake> i mean wether you saw my line ;-) 18:36 < fake> that is in my home dir 18:40 < WKaibigan> Got rip installed but I think I am missing some modules from perl. 18:42 -!- xayk [~xayk@80.96.84.5] has joined #rocklinux 18:43 < xayk> does anyone know what source package manager should i start using(i only used rpm until now) 18:44 < h0h0> checkinstall 18:46 < WKaibigan> Tis Ok nice rip owner had ioluded the required perl modules. :-) 19:01 -!- simon-- [~simon@p50874A53.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:04 < huebi> re 19:04 * huebi is awake again. 4h of sleep... ;-) 19:06 < huebi> blindcoder: Can you give me the URL of your Build CD scripts again? 19:08 < Mike1> welcome back master huebi 19:12 < huebi> hi Mike1 ;-) 19:18 -!- simon- [~simon@p50874A92.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:18 -!- simon-- is now known as simon- 19:20 -!- xayk [~xayk@80.96.84.5] has quit ("Client Exiting") 19:26 -!- esden_ [weasel@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:26 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: anoncvs for 1.5 now up: CVS_RSH=ssh cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co rock-1.5 19:26 -!- Topic set by ChanServ [Tue Jul 9 00:36:49 2002] 19:26 (Users #rocklinux) 19:26 [ [anders] ] [ esden ] [ ge0rg] [ praenti] [ SMP ] 19:26 [ aszlig ] [ esden_] [ h0h0 ] [ rolla ] [ snyke ] 19:26 [ blindcoder] [ fake ] [ huebi] [ rxr ] [ th ] 19:26 [ coldie ] [ Freak ] [ Mike1] [ simon- ] [ WKaibigan] 19:26 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 20 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal] 19:26 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Tue Jun 11 09:27:41 2002 19:26 -!- esden [weasel@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:26 -!- Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 11 secs 19:38 < fake> hm... 19:38 < fake> something weird is happening 19:39 < Mike1> fake: ? 19:39 < fake> esden should never be disconnected 19:40 < Mike1> fake: well there is "esden_" yet 19:41 < huebi> fake: "Mathilda in the middle" atack? 19:41 < fake> *LOL* 19:42 * Mike1 rewriting rock router subdist 19:43 < fake> but mathilda is detectable. 19:43 < fake> she sets the "MOO" Flag 19:44 < rxr> ene@jackson:~/rock-article > wc rock-article.txt 19:44 < rxr> 172 899 6511 rock-article.txt 19:45 < fake> a own directory for one file? ;-) 19:45 < rxr> no + pictures .... 19:46 < rxr> This should be nearly the half of the article .... 19:46 < fake> binary txt ? *g* 19:46 < rxr> jups pretty binary text ;-) 19:49 < fake> .comment ;-)) 19:52 -!- owl [~mail-spam@Aef83.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:52 < owl> hi 19:52 < fake> hi owl 19:53 < huebi> moin owl 19:53 < owl> moin fake && huebi :) 19:54 < Mike1> Hallo owl 20:08 < [anders]> re 20:09 < [anders]> it's still building Qt... *argh* 20:10 < Mike1> re [anders] 20:10 < huebi> [anders]: 94 mins or so... 20:10 < [anders]> huebi: any news? :) 20:10 < Mike1> [anders]: it took me more than 6 hours to build qt on a pIII 500MHZ 20:10 < [anders]> huebi: that's on your box.. I only have one CPU... :) 20:11 < [anders]> *faint* 20:11 < huebi> [anders]: jo. I just build in your patches. 20:11 < [anders]> Mike1: Well, I have a XP1900+ so should be a bit faster than that.. :) 20:11 < huebi> [anders]: aszlig then the time doubles... 20:11 < [anders]> 1.6GHz.. 20:11 < huebi> -azlig 20:11 < [anders]> huebi: patches was okay then? 20:12 < huebi> [anders]: yes it looks good. I'm still on that. 20:15 < SMP> fsck ACPI 20:15 < fake> SMP: ACK 20:15 -!- thalerim [~tobrit@pD9E4984B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:15 < huebi> SMP: hehe. ACK 20:15 < huebi> moin thalerim 20:15 < [anders]> huebi: glad to hear there was nothing wrong with them.. First time I have been submitting patches back to anybody so of course anxious to get them right.. I think you know what I mean.. :) 20:15 < [anders]> SMP: ack 20:15 < [anders]> re SMP fake thalerim 20:16 < thalerim> moin 20:16 < Mike1> <wallace> to install gentoo, is harder than rock, but the documentation is very good 20:16 < [anders]> thalerim: either you are in a far away place corner of the world, or your biological clock needs NTP help... ;-) 20:16 < Mike1> is this true?? 20:17 < [anders]> .oO( assuming that 'moin' in fact means 'good morning' ) 20:18 < SMP> Mike1: easy <-> hard is absolutely relative ;> 20:19 < Mike1> SMP: hehe :) 20:19 < SMP> Mike1: I always found ROCK to be very easy to install. someone who has just completed his first Linux install with SuSE e.g. will differ 20:19 < huebi> SMP: ACK. 20:19 < Mike1> <wallace> it is very easy for a rocklinux user ;) 20:19 < Mike1> <wallace> but if you compare it with suse, it is hard 20:19 < Mike1> *g 20:20 < SMP> heck, OpenBSD is even easier than ROCK ;-> 20:20 < [anders]> Hmm.. I moved from SuSE to ROCK... 20:20 < [anders]> and never would I move back.. :) 20:20 < rxr> also gentoo is really time consuming to install, because they compile all non-baes packages at this time ... 20:20 < Mike1> hehe i moved from Slackware to ROCK 20:21 < rxr> s/this time/install time/ 20:21 < Mike1> SMP: i guess you have to get used to it 20:21 < [anders]> Now I have picked up Debian as a 2nd distribution to use.. It is just easier to install on a blank box if you have no media and just the boot floppies.. 20:21 < [anders]> network installs rule.. 20:21 < [anders]> rxr: isn't that how old Slackware used to work? 20:22 < fake> [anders]: implement it ;P 20:22 < Mike1> i was always told that rock was for insanes but once i tried it i loved it 20:22 < Mike1> and it seens very easy :) 20:22 < rxr> [anders]: really? dunno ... 20:22 < Mike1> [anders]: they still have that 20:22 < [anders]> fake: would require dedicated servers with lots of space... I might think about it if I get a spare box I can co-locate with plenty of free bandwidth.. 20:23 < thalerim> [anders]: nope. 'moin' is a salutation-word used mainly in the region around Ostfriesland... and they say it at every daytime 20:23 < rxr> thalerim: ack 20:24 < [anders]> == 16:49:56 =[3]=> Building base package qt [3.0.4 1.5.17-private]. 20:24 < [anders]> == 19:21:26 07/10/02 =[3]=> Finished building package qt. 20:24 < rxr> [anders]: what CPU ? 20:24 < Mike1> [anders]: hehe :) 20:24 < [anders]> thalerim: aaahh.. okay.. :) 20:24 < [anders]> rxr: Athlon XP1900+ w. 512MB RAM 20:25 < rxr> [anders]: qt should only need less than one hour !!! 20:25 * rxr phoning 20:25 < thalerim> [anders]: and moin is the standard greeting every rocklinux user should use! :-) 20:25 < huebi> rxr: your information is outdated. th changed qt to compile all libs 20:26 < Mike1> rxr: qt took more than 6 hours for me on Intel pIII 500MHZ 256RAM 20:26 < [anders]> thalerim: ;-) 20:27 < thalerim> even Mike1 does use it, and Mike1 isn't a German as far as I know or is he assimilated by Mathilda already? 20:28 * SMP getting surprisingly tired 20:28 < Mike1> thalerim: i am Costa Rica, Mathilda and i are just close friends :) 20:29 < thalerim> you are a isle ???? 20:29 < Mike1> thalerim: no 20:29 < fake> www.epanorama.net rulez 20:29 < Mike1> its a small country in central america 20:29 < thalerim> does not interest :P 20:29 < Mike1> thalerim: ok 20:30 < thalerim> Mike1: for me you are just Mike1 :-) 20:31 < thalerim> eeh and sorry for my bad geographic knowledge, indeed it's the only lacking field of knowledge 20:32 < Mike1> thalerim: no problem in this world there are no countrys just channels :) 20:32 < thalerim> I do not know well my city where I live... actually :-) 20:32 < Mike1> unf here we are all like family 20:32 < Mike1> s/unf/and 20:32 < thalerim> like a family with a cow 20:33 < rxr> huebi: what "all libs" ? 20:33 < Mike1> thalerim: yes 20:35 < huebi> rxr: here is the diff: https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/qt/qt.conf.diff?r1=text&tr1=1.10&r2=text&tr2=1.11&diff_format=h 20:40 < rxr> huebi: could you explain in words ? 20:40 < rxr> huebi: urgs# 20:41 < rxr> where did you got this idea from? 20:42 < huebi> rxr: th had the idea. 20:42 < huebi> rxr: What do you think about it? 20:43 < SMP> what's wrong with that? I do see packages want to use qt-mt 20:43 < SMP> one might question the static lib though 20:44 < huebi> and qt-mt was a link to qt-non-mt 20:44 < WKaibigan> Mike1:Just to let you know, I have grip working now. Downloaded the latest libghttp and installed that and grip's configure script then found it and worked :-) 20:45 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-171-188.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20:47 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-170-103.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:47 < Mike1> WKaibigan: excellent! have fun ripping :) 20:47 < rxr> huebi: where did you got this idea from? 20:47 < SMP> rxr: 20:42| < huebi> rxr: th had the idea. 20:47 < rxr> SMP: thanks 20:47 < SMP> 20:43| < SMP> what's wrong with that? I do see packages want to use qt-mt 20:47 < SMP> 20:43| < SMP> one might question the static lib though 20:48 < huebi> 20:42 < huebi> rxr: What do you think about it? 20:48 < rxr> I do not like this. 20:48 < [anders]> isapnptools and modules gone from base-config? that safe? 20:48 < rxr> SMP: yes this is waste of time and space! 20:48 < huebi> rxr: Why? 20:48 < rxr> isapnptools are obsolete 20:48 < rxr> modules are in linux now ... 20:49 < SMP> anyone using libqt.a should be shot 20:49 < [anders]> rxr: I would prefer it if the threaded qt lib was built and the plain qt lib was symlinked to the threaded one.. not the other way around.. 20:49 < rxr> huebi: because I do not want to waste that much CPU time and disk space for static versions never used ... 20:49 < [anders]> SMP: tell Opera that.. 20:49 < rxr> [anders]: yes - this is the way dRock and 1.7 do it 20:49 < rxr> KDE even NEEDS the -mt version ! 20:50 < [anders]> humma.. I would like to paste about 10 lines about a build failure.. 20:50 < [anders]> that ok with ppl here? 20:50 < huebi> ok 20:50 < [anders]> == 19:47:57 =[3]=> Building base package libgtop [1.0.13 1.5.17-private]. 20:50 < [anders]> Pkg-Config: patches libgtop.desc done. 20:50 < [anders]> Building. Writing output to /var/adm/logs/3-libgtop.out 20:50 < [anders]> > perl ./guile.pl < ../../features.def > gnc-t 20:50 < [anders]> > mv gnc-t guile.c 20:50 < [anders]> > guile-snarf -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -D_IN_LIBGTOP -D_GNU_SOU .. 20:50 < [anders]> > make[3]: *** [guile.x] Error 1 20:50 < [anders]> > make[3]: Leaving directory `/rock-linux/src/libgtop-1.0.13/sysdeps/g .. 20:50 < [anders]> > make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 20:50 < [anders]> > make[2]: Leaving directory `/rock-linux/src/libgtop-1.0.13/sysdeps' 20:50 < [anders]> > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 20:50 < [anders]> > make[1]: Leaving directory `/rock-linux/src/libgtop-1.0.13' 20:50 < [anders]> > make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 20:50 < [anders]> /var/adm/logs/3-libgtop.out -> 3-libgtop.err 20:50 < [anders]> == 19:48:49 07/10/02 =[3]=> Aborted building package libgtop. 20:50 < [anders]> </flood> 20:51 < [anders]> So libgtop seems to have a little bit of a problem.. guile seems to have built ok however... 20:51 < huebi> [anders]: can you upload var/adm/logs/3-libgtop.err to rocklinux.dyndns.org? 20:51 < [anders]> huebi: want me to DCC it to you? 20:51 < huebi> [anders]: ok 20:52 < [anders]> huebi: sending.. 20:53 < huebi> I got it. 20:53 < [anders]> huebi: cheers.. I don't quite get this one.. most of libgtop seems to build OK.. 20:55 -!- ge0rg is now known as Ge0rG 20:55 < huebi> rxr, SMP, th: So what is your opinion about qt? should there be build only qt-mt and ln -s qt-mt -> qt-non-mt? And the .a should not be build anymore? 20:57 < SMP> I'm fine with the way it is now. cheating with the mt versions is not ok. libqt.a is rather exotic, but why not ... 20:58 < [anders]> rxr, SMP, th, huebi: or should the settings for what gets built in qt be settable via ./scripts/Config ? 20:58 < [anders]> a switch to build libqt.a on/off ? 20:58 < SMP> well, we don't quite have the infrastructure for that in 1.5 20:58 < Mike1> [anders]: good idea 20:59 < [anders]> I think we want both qt.so and qt-mt.so.. 20:59 < [anders]> qt.a - perhaps less so.. 20:59 < rxr> [anders]: NOT in 1.5. This are too drastic changes - that are in 1.7 !!! 20:59 < huebi> rxr: ACK 20:59 < rxr> [anders]: ack 21:00 < [anders]> Okay.. so we leave that to 1.7, still question stands about 1.5, what to do.. 21:00 < huebi> what about an extension for libqt.a? 21:00 < [anders]> qt.so and qt-mt.so but not qt.a ? 21:00 < rxr> huebi: This might be better ... 21:00 < [anders]> huebi: good idea! :) 21:01 * Mike1 away for lunch 21:02 < huebi> ok. So do you all argee with qt-mt.so and qt-non-mt.so in base and qt-mt.a and qt-non-mt.a as an extension? 21:02 < rxr> huebi: yes this would be MUCH better 21:02 < rxr> although I think a non-mt is not needed ... 21:03 < huebi> rxr: is allways qt-mt used in rock? 21:03 < [anders]> huebi: ack 21:04 < rxr> huebi: in dRock and 1.7 yes. 21:04 < rxr> We never had a non-mt ... 21:05 < huebi> rxr: for what could qt-non-mt be needed then? 21:05 -!- uninvited [~uninvited@p50802F8A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:05 < uninvited> hiya 21:05 < huebi> moin uninvited 21:05 < uninvited> irssi | putty | ssh 21:05 < uninvited> ups 21:05 < fake> hi uninvited - ps2? 21:05 < uninvited> neun 21:06 * fake awaiting NAK 21:06 < fake> neun euro? nehm ich. 21:06 < uninvited> Nein. 21:06 < uninvited> Stop. 21:06 < uninvited> Wie lange brauchst du die ? 21:07 < uninvited> Ich krieg sie maximal ne Woche 21:07 < uninvited> Länger gibt er sie net her 21:07 < fake> uninvited: dann lass es. 21:07 < uninvited> Okay 21:07 < fake> ich muesste das Linux Kit reinkaufen... 21:07 < uninvited> Ich kann mich ja weiter umhören. 21:07 < fake> ohne ps2 bringt das dann ncht mehr viel 21:07 < uninvited> aso 21:07 < fake> und eine Woche duefrte etwa ein compile sein ;) 21:07 < uninvited> hehehe 21:07 < fake> uninvited: waer cool. 21:08 < uninvited> anoncvs for 1.5 now up: CVS_RSH=ssh cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co rock-1.5 21:08 < uninvited> 21:08 -!- uninvited [~uninvited@p50802F8A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:08 < uninvited> 21:08 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: anoncvs for 1.5 now up: CVS_RSH=ssh cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co rock-1.5 21:08 < uninvited> 21:08 -!- Topic set by ChanServ [Tue Jul 9 00:36:49 2002] 21:08 < uninvited> 21:08 [Users #rocklinux] 21:08 < uninvited> 21:08 [ [anders] ] [ esden_] [ h0h0 ] [ praenti] [ SMP ] [ uninvited] 21:08 < uninvited> 21:08 [ aszlig ] [ fake ] [ huebi] [ rolla ] [ snyke ] [ WKaibigan] 21:08 < uninvited> 21:08 [ blindcoder] [ Freak ] [ Mike1] [ rxr ] [ th ] 21:08 < uninvited> 21:08 [ coldie ] [ Ge0rG ] [ owl ] [ simon- ] [ thalerim] 21:09 < uninvited> 21:08 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 22 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 22 normal] 21:09 < uninvited> 21:08 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Tue Jun 11 09:27:41 2002 21:09 < uninvited> 21:08 -!- Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 1 secs 21:09 < uninvited> 21:08 < uninvited> hiya 21:09 < uninvited> 21:08 < huebi> moin uninvited 21:09 < uninvited> 21:09 < uninvited> irssi | putty | ssh 21:09 < fake> ... 21:09 < uninvited> 21:09 < uninvited> ups 21:09 < uninvited> 21:09 < fake> hi uninvited - ps2? 21:09 < uninvited> 21:09 < uninvited> neun 21:09 < uninvited> 21:09 * fake awaiting NAK 21:09 < uninvited> 21:10 < fake> neun euro? nehm ich. 21:09 < uninvited> 21:10 < uninvited> Nein. 21:09 < uninvited> 21:10 < uninvited> Stop. 21:09 < uninvited> 21:10 < uninvited> Wie lange brauchst du die ? 21:09 < uninvited> 21:10 < uninvited> Ich krieg sie maximal ne Woche 21:09 < uninvited> 21:10 < uninvited> Länger gibt er sie net her 21:09 < uninvited> 21:10 < fake> uninvited: dann lass es. 21:09 < uninvited> 21:10 < uninvited> Okay 21:09 < uninvited> 21:10 < fake> ich muesste das Linux Kit reinkaufen... 21:09 < uninvited> 21:11 < uninvited> Ich kann mich ja weiter umhören. 21:09 < fake> replay in slow-motion ? 21:09 < uninvited> 21:11 < fake> ohne ps2 bringt das dann ncht mehr viel 21:09 < thalerim> RST 21:09 < uninvited> 21:11 < uninvited> aso 21:09 < thalerim> RST 21:09 < uninvited> 21:11 < fake> und eine Woche duefrte etwa ein compile sein ;) 21:09 < uninvited> 21:11 < uninvited> hehehe 21:10 < uninvited> 21:11 < fake> uninvited: waer cool. 21:10 < uninvited> anoncvs for 1.5 now up: CVS_RSH=ssh cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co rock-1.5 21:10 < uninvited> 21:08 -!- uninvited [~uninvited@p50802F8A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:10 < fake> *LOOOL* 21:10 < uninvited> 21:08 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: anoncvs for 1.5 now up: CVS_RSH=ssh cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co rock-1.5 21:10 < uninvited> 21:08 -!- Topic set by ChanServ [Tue Jul 9 00:36:49 2002] 21:10 < fake> *rewind* 21:10 < uninvited> 21:08 [Users #rocklinux] 21:10 < uninvited> 21:08 [ [anders] ] [ esden_] [ h0h0 ] [ praenti] [ SMP ] [ uninvited] 21:10 < Ge0rG> how about /part or /ban? 21:10 < uninvited> 21:08 [ aszlig ] [ fake ] [ huebi] [ rolla ] [ snyke ] [ WKaibigan] 21:10 < uninvited> 21:08 [ blindcoder] [ Freak ] [ Mike1] [ rxr ] [ th ] 21:10 -!- uninvited [~uninvited@p50802F8A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Lost terminal") 21:10 < fake> Ge0rG: O/0 21:10 < h0h0> la de da 21:11 < Ge0rG> fake: division by zero error ;) 21:12 < [anders]> err, uninvited trying to boost IRC stats? :-D 21:13 < fake> Why I Do Not Use IRSSI, Chapter One. 21:14 < rxr> huebi: is your 1.5 site mirrored on the rocklinux.de server ? 21:21 < [anders]> fake: irssi isn't bad.. same things can happen with ircii or bitchx 21:21 < fake> [anders] yeah yeah. that's what irssi users say ;) 21:23 < [anders]> fake: *grin* 21:23 < [anders]> you know I use irssi.. :) 21:23 < [anders]> huebi: when was libgtop updated last? 21:26 -!- WKaibigan [~Aloicious@ACB402FE.ipt.aol.com] has quit () 21:29 < rxr> esden_: are you here ? 21:31 < [anders]> kerfuffel.. 21:32 < [anders]> /me is not going to work more on the rock build tonight. I will carry on working on it in the morning and in the meantime I will go to bed and watch TV. there is a Bond film on tonight.. :) 21:32 < rxr> [anders]: ;-) Have fun.# 21:36 < Mike1> huebi: so what are you guys going to do with qt-non-mt? 21:37 < [anders]> rxr: ta.. :) 21:37 < thalerim> [anders]: kerfuffel sounds interesting... can you eat that ?? 21:37 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 21:37 < [anders]> thalerim: it is a non-word.. sounds good when frustrated though.. :-D 21:37 < [anders]> re netcrow 21:38 < Mike1> hi netcrow 21:38 < [anders]> have a nice evening all, I will be back in the morning.. And that is not a threat, it is a promise. (Unless I for some reason end up in hospital or worse..) 21:38 < thalerim> [anders]: i see, I suppose it's the word used when a emacs' user comprehend that emacs sucks 21:38 < thalerim> :-P 21:39 < Mike1> [anders]: n8 :) 21:39 < thalerim> gn8 [anders] 21:39 < thalerim> kerfuffel.. mhmm 21:40 < [anders]> thalerim: oh' behave... 21:40 < [anders]> night night.. :) 21:40 < rxr> cu [anders] 21:41 < thalerim> And now ... PAAAARTY ... the emacs Evil isn't here till tomorrow.. 21:42 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-170-103.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:47 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-171-89.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 21:47 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit ("leaving") 21:48 < rxr> arghhhhh - what is my sucking provider doing today ???????????_ 21:52 < Mike1> rxr: sucking i guess :) 21:52 < rxr> jups - sucking all the cables lying arround I guess. Stupid people .... 21:52 < thalerim> hehe, wait a moment 21:52 < rxr> thalerim: ? 21:53 < Mike1> rxr: you would love to deal a costarrican ISP named racsa 21:53 < thalerim> you probably mean something ala https://windinux.de/grafix/kabel.jpg 21:54 < Mike1> If one of their nodes go down (which very often) you call for asistance and tehy tell you that person in charge of that is on vacation and can be reached after 3 weeks 21:54 < rxr> pfrrrr ;-) *lol* 21:54 * rxr kringelt sich auf dem Boden ;-) 21:55 < thalerim> *gg* take a look at the acutal site 21:55 < thalerim> actual 21:57 < rxr> Hehe: 21:57 < rxr> https://windinux.de/grafix/poppen.jpg 21:57 < rxr> I saw this a few days ago in our University's Informatic studens relax room ;-) 21:57 < thalerim> typically rxr... i thought you have a girl friend now ?? 21:57 < Mike1> thalerim: i think i like https://www.fuckmicrosoft.com better than an anti linux site :) 21:57 < rxr> -- typos 21:58 < rxr> thalerim: yes I have - but she is holidaying 21:58 < thalerim> Mike1: you can't German, that's the miss ... It's a fake site .. run a sed -e 's,Windows,Linux' -e 's,Linux,Windows' 21:58 < thalerim> and everything is fine :) 21:59 < Mike1> thalerim: lol 22:04 < thalerim> Mike1: at the latest on "10 reasons for Windows" your eyes must be puffed up 22:05 < Mike1> lol 22:06 < rxr> lol 22:09 < esden_> hi all 22:11 < thalerim> moin esden_ 22:11 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@pD9E507CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:11 -!- You're now known as esden 22:11 < esden> ok now much better ;-) 22:11 < rxr> ;-) hi esden 22:11 < esden> hi rxr 22:11 < rxr> esden: eine sekunde zeit ? 22:12 < esden> rxr: ja sicher ... fuer dich immer ;-) 22:13 < chrisime> hallo esden 22:13 < chrisime> esden: hehe, die letzten 3 tage assembler total! und jetzt bin ich der ueberchecker ;-)) 22:14 < esden> ich bin mommentan auch die ganze zeit am assembler coden ... fuer dei MI versteht sich @ chrisime 22:15 * -> esden is a VAX assembler junkey 22:16 < chrisime> lol 22:16 < chrisime> esden: www.gnome.de/tgi/calc-chr.asm 22:16 < chrisime> ich brauch grad mal 2 register in der ersten schleife 22:16 < chrisime> die 2. schreib ich jetzt um 22:17 < chrisime> ich muss mit floating points rummachen 22:17 < chrisime> und da die x86 so ne tolle cpu is, suckt das gewaltig 22:23 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50816B81.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:23 < bluefire> hello 22:24 < rxr> chrisime: hehe FP mit x86 ist wirklich zum Kotzen ;-) 22:25 < chrisime> jo 22:25 < chrisime> rxr: das sind helden 22:25 < chrisime> 8 mikrige register 22:25 < esden> chrisime: ich weiss ... dass es sucked 22:25 < chrisime> die noch dazu als stack organisiert sind 22:25 < chrisime> das sind penner 22:25 < esden> vax ist viel besser ... 22:26 < chrisime> ja 22:26 < chrisime> aber auch cisc 22:26 < chrisime> dafuer isses ne schoene dreiregistermaschine 22:26 < esden> ich muss mir endlich den assembler von alpha anschauen 22:26 < esden> chrisime: mi hat 15 ... 22:26 < chrisime> ja 22:26 < chrisime> esden: ich weiss 22:26 < chrisime> esden: ich hatte schon info3 22:26 < esden> chrisime: gut ;-) 22:26 < chrisime> :P 22:26 < chrisime> 3 * 15 22:26 < esden> chrisime: :P angeber 22:26 < chrisime> oder 4 sogar 22:27 < chrisime> wenn du vier cpus hast 22:27 < chrisime> wobei es insg. 16 sind 22:27 < esden> chrisime: ich darf bis jetzt nur mit einem processor rumspielen 22:27 < chrisime> aber 2 sind quasi reserviert 22:27 < chrisime> esden: ich hab den richtigen vax asm gesehen 22:27 < chrisime> da is der vom simu ne wohltat 22:31 < esden> ja ... ich glaube es ... 22:31 < esden> ich finde die adressierung so dermassen krank ... 22:31 < esden> dass ist null intuitiv 22:32 < chrisime> naja 22:33 < chrisime> move !!R2/R1/, !(4+!R3) 22:33 < chrisime> das doch schoen 22:33 < chrisime> *renn* 22:33 < esden> chrisime: ich erschlage dich *nachlauf* 22:33 < chrisime> lol 22:33 < chrisime> sowas kannst in x86 nicht machen 22:33 < chrisime> da musst ewig drumrumbauen 22:34 < chrisime> ich konnte z.b. net schreiben mov ecx,eax+4 22:34 < chrisime> das is mist 22:34 < chrisime> der x86 kann nix 22:34 < esden> chrisime: ja .. ist schon klar ... also unter dem gesichtspunkt ist der vax processor geil 22:35 < esden> aber ich bin sicher da gibt es bestimmt viel bessere ;-) 22:36 < chrisime> jo 22:36 * chrisime will au nen alpha 22:36 < chrisime> esden: btw, die misten die indy's bei uns an der uni aus 22:36 < chrisime> schnapp dir einen! 22:36 < chrisime> ich mach das 22:36 < chrisime> die ham volle ausbaustufe 22:37 < esden> ja ich will eine ... wann wo !!! 22:37 < chrisime> weiss net 22:37 < chrisime> rbg fragen 22:37 < esden> ich habe es schon gehoert dass die die ausmisten aber wann 22:37 < esden> rbg / 22:37 < esden> ? 22:37 < chrisime> habs bei der besprechung fuer die unixeinfuehrung gehoert 22:37 < bluefire> rbg ? 22:37 < chrisime> rechnerbetriebsgruppe 22:37 * bluefire Kennt RBG nur aus Darmstadt 22:38 < esden> chrisime: stimmt ... 22:38 < chrisime> esden: rbg.in.tum.de 22:39 < esden> chrisime: kk danke ... 22:39 < chrisime> erm noe 22:39 < chrisime> adr stimmt net 22:39 < esden> schade ... 22:39 < esden> dass muss im s02 oder so sein 22:39 < esden> oder ? 22:40 < chrisime> wwwrbg.in.tum.de 22:41 < esden> hehe ... wenn dass klappt habe ich 4 architekturen daheim ... nee 5 22:41 < chrisime> https://wwwrbg.in.tum.de/Garching/Gebaeudeuebergabe-1.2.2002/ <--neu 22:41 < esden> mir faehlt nur noch powerpc dann noch ... 22:42 < esden> dann habe ich alle grossen architekturen da ;-) 22:42 < chrisime> https://wwwrbg.in.tum.de/Garching/Gebaeudeuebergabe-1.2.2002/img/DSCF2235.640x480.jpeg 22:42 < chrisime> hoersaal 22:43 < chrisime> https://wwwrbg.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/rbg/wartung/eigenbau.html <-- lol!!! 22:45 < esden> toll 22:46 -!- WKaibigan [~Aloicious@ACBADAFA.ipt.aol.com] has joined #rocklinux 22:46 < esden> chrisime: Name: Arne Hentsch 22:46 < esden> Aufgaben: Auslieferung, Aufru"stung und Wartung von Workstations 22:46 < esden> aller Hersteller einschlie?lich Macintosh. 22:46 < rxr> rene@jackson:~/rock-article > wc rock-article.txt 22:46 < rxr> 240 1359 9834 rock-article.txt 22:46 < rxr> Cool - printed to paper this are allready nearly 4 pages ;-) 22:47 < chrisime> esden: aja 22:47 < chrisime> esden: das koennte die richtige adresse sein 22:47 < chrisime> fragst mal an? 22:47 < esden> ja werde ich machen ... indem ich morgen bei der tussi oder tuepen wasauchimmer dass ist vorbeigehe oder so 22:48 < esden> naja ... dass wird wohl nicht gehen ... aber ich schaue morgen 22:48 < esden> ich mag es nicht mit den leuten per e-mail zu komunizieren man weiss nie wann die antworten ... 22:49 < chrisime> ok 22:49 < chrisime> das fein 22:49 < chrisime> frag au wieviel die fuer die kisten wollen 22:49 < thalerim> rxr: what purpose? 22:49 < chrisime> ich will den 21 zoller au no 22:49 < rxr> thalerim: Articel for the german Linux Magazin 22:49 < rxr> s/articel/article/ 22:50 < Mike1> rxr: so its in german :(( 22:50 < rxr> Mike1: yes 22:50 * Mike1 was hoping to read it 22:50 < Mike1> But i also want to undertand it 22:50 < thalerim> rxr: Darf ich es probelesen ? 22:50 < rxr> But they might translate it for the English issue of the magazin - or maybe I can translate it for them ... 22:50 < Mike1> so guess thats not possible 22:51 < WKaibigan> Is the English version of Linux Magazine just a translated version of the German one? 22:51 < esden> ich will den monitor nicht haben ... ich will nur dass monitorkabel ... 22:51 < thalerim> rxr: meine grammatikalischen Fähigkeiten sind nicht schlecht 22:51 < rxr> thalerim: hm - ich weis nicht wie gut es ist, wenn es zu viele (vor dem Druck) bekommen. - Aber ein Freund hier, esden und du sollten ok sein ;-) 22:51 < esden> den monitor werde ich eh verkaufen oder so ... ich habe hier auch einen sgi monitor stenen ... 22:52 < thalerim> WKaibigan: nope. only Brave GNU World is contained in all "Linux Magazine" of the world 22:52 < rxr> WKaibigan: I do not know - when I translate it, it would be a 1:1 translation (maybe with some more jokes between the lines - which are not that common in German texts) 22:52 < WKaibigan> In that case I hope they do print a translated version of your article in the English version. 22:52 < thalerim> do not think so 22:53 < rxr> thalerim: there are also other articles that get translated between the various magazines ... 22:53 < thalerim> it's quite unusual 22:53 < esden> aber warte mal ... ich kann dann endlich meine festfrequenzmonitore rausschmeissen ... 22:53 < esden> dass ist gut 22:53 < chrisime> ich hab nen 15er hier 22:53 < thalerim> rxr: yes, special ones ... e.g. interviews are translated often 22:53 < chrisime> ich brauch mal was groesseres *g* 22:53 < snyke> hi esden btw 22:53 < rxr> WKaibigan: I can explicitely asked whether they like to get a translation from me ;-) 22:54 < WKaibigan> rxr:Good idea. Will you get paid twice if they print it in the English version? :-) 22:54 < esden> chrisime: ja .. glaube ich auch ... ;-) 22:54 < thalerim> WKaibigan: you might know a native english speaker with german experience for help 22:54 < rxr> WKaibigan: maybe (I hope so ;-) 22:55 < thalerim> rxr: when will the article be finished likely? 22:55 < WKaibigan> I know that a lot of the articles in the English mag are written by German authors so there is hope. 22:55 < rxr> I hope within the next days 22:55 < thalerim> ok 22:56 * thalerim sets mode +nerve +rxr +every +day 22:56 < thalerim> prick even :P 22:56 < rxr> thalerim: I hope to finish it in some hours - and then reread / correct all ;-) 22:57 < thalerim> that's the hell... i know that .. rereading an article written by me 22:57 < esden> the german open source comunity seems to be very strong ... 22:57 < thalerim> ? 22:58 < rxr> thalerim: what articles have you written so far ? 22:58 < thalerim> rxr: not for linux magazin, was a general issue for longer texts 22:58 < thalerim> Actually i lost the like of the LM ... 22:58 < Mike1> i have class today so take care of you guys 22:58 < rxr> thalerim: jups - I found it rather difficult to find a start and to sort the several ideas I had ... 22:59 < Mike1> bye all 22:59 < thalerim> have fun 22:59 < rxr> bye Mike1 22:59 < WKaibigan> Bye Mike1 22:59 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 23:00 < thalerim> rxr: I can only speak for the german magazine... but for my favour it's going to business-crap too much 23:00 < chrisime> esden: gibts rocklilnux fuer sgi? 23:01 < esden> chrisime: ehhm ... the stage 1 compiles ... on mips 23:01 < esden> how the second stage looks like I have no idea 23:01 < thalerim> that's why I ceased to waste my money ... I read only one or two article a issue.. and 5euro for these 2articles is waste 23:01 < esden> but work is in progress ... 23:02 < chrisime> good 23:02 < rxr> thalerim: the Linux Mag is payed by my "Mitbewohner" ... so I do not care that much (except for the ROCK PR thing ...) 23:02 < rxr> I pay the c't and the "C/C++ User Journal" ... and here teh LM and iX ... 23:02 < thalerim> c't is a speudo-proffessional magazin 23:02 < rxr> thalerim: the C/C++ UJ nosts 10 EUR ... 23:02 < thalerim> -f 23:03 < thalerim> rxr: From where do you get it ? 23:03 < rxr> thalerim: yes - but the only general hardware info magazin you can read ... - and is nice to get some hardware details on a regular basis. 23:03 < thalerim> actually do not care much about hardware.. 23:04 < thalerim> so 23:04 < rxr> thalerim: in the past I bought it an the railway station in Hannover. But since I have not found it here in Berlin I have a subscription which is slighly less expensive ... 23:05 < esden> rxr: the hardware they describe there is boooring ... I need a magazine that describes sun, sgi, hp architectures ... and other cool stuff ;-) 23:05 < thalerim> rxr: schätz mal bitte, wieviel C++ Anteil hat ? 23:05 < rxr> esden: ;-) *lol* But anyway it is the only general computer magazin you can buy ... 23:06 < rxr> thalerim: most is C++ - C is only explained not that often 23:06 < rxr> but is is relly small 23:06 < thalerim> c't is the Computer Bild for wannabes 23:06 < thalerim> imo! 23:06 < thalerim> rxr: oh, so it's nothing for me 23:06 < rxr> thalerim: it has arround 70 pages for 10 EUR .... 23:07 < rxr> thalerim: no c't is not Coputer Bild! Read the Chip or PC Professional - they are crap! But the c't people know to some degree about the stuff they write ... 23:08 < esden> rxr: that is right .. but the same info you also get online some weeks before it is printed by ct 23:08 < thalerim> ROCKlinux should publish Phrack as a printed magazin in Germany ... that'd be cool promotion ;) 23:08 < rxr> esden: ? 23:08 < rxr> thalerim: what? 23:08 < thalerim> what ?? 23:08 < rxr> thalerim: "Phrack as a printed magazin in Germany" what do you mean ? 23:09 < esden> rxr: but only to some degree ... they make mistakes too ... and i sometimes think they only write to write something ... 23:09 < thalerim> Phrack is an eZine so far, what about printing it and selling in Germany 23:09 < thalerim> but I was ... just kidding 23:10 < esden> thalerim: url ? 23:10 < rxr> esden: the c't was better in the past ... - I think they could write more about non-Window~1 stuff 23:10 < thalerim> esden: url to what? 23:10 < esden> rxr: I know they were better ... I was buying c't on a regular basis 23:11 < esden> thalerim: "Phrack is an eZine" <-- to this ;-) 23:11 < thalerim> how do you call it ? 23:11 * Ge0rG is still reading c't - they have at least one interesting article in every issue 23:12 < thalerim> Ge0rG: money wastment 23:12 < thalerim> how much money does c't cost at the momten? 23:12 < thalerim> moment 23:12 < Ge0rG> thalerim: they were better long time ago. but theres no alternative anyway. 23:12 < Ge0rG> 3¤ 23:13 < rxr> Ge0rG: what article? "Prozessor Gefuester" ? ;-) 23:13 < thalerim> heh, for that money you can get a bitch incl. a condom ! 23:13 < Ge0rG> thalerim: mhm... not here 23:14 < esden> there is also a very interesting scientific section in every c't ... I like it very much 23:14 < thalerim> anyway... 23:14 < thalerim> am going to read and sleep then, see you tomorrow 23:14 < esden> thalerim: it would be a very cheep bitch ... and a used condom ... 23:15 < thalerim> esden: would be better than the c't anyway :P 23:15 < Ge0rG> an inflatable bitch 23:15 -!- thalerim [~tobrit@pD9E4984B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ho chresim eidos uch hoch poll eidos sphos") 23:16 < esden> /var/adm/logs/3-lprng.out -> 3-lprng.err 23:16 < esden> i hate it ... >_< 23:16 < esden> ok ... that is the first packet that fiails on alpha .. for now .. 23:17 < huebi> My experience is that if you get closer with your knowledge to the stuff a magazin writes about, you switch from "Oh interesting, I learned something. Fsck that I did not know it before." to "Yes, from one point of view it's right, but this point is the exception of what normaly occurs." So magazins are efectivly only for masochists. *g* 23:17 < esden> huebi: well said 23:18 * Ge0rG thought about dropping c't and getting iX, but they are way too technical and boring 23:18 < rxr> wc rock-article.txt 23:18 < rxr> 264 1512 10955 rock-article.txt 23:19 < huebi> rxr: May I have a look on it? 23:19 < esden> ok .. I let the compile running till tomorrow .. then I will see how much fails ... and try to fix it as good as I can 23:19 < rxr> so this should be most of the stuff I wanted to write ... 23:19 < rxr> now I print it - and read over it 23:20 < rxr> huebi: esden and thalerim have already asked ... - I'm not sure if it is that good if too many people get it ... - since I'm paid for the article ... 23:21 < rxr> you will really be the last person I'll put on the pre-readers list now ;-) 23:21 < rxr> (If you all promisse not to send it arround ;-) 23:22 < huebi> rxr: I promise that. Earn your money. I don't stay in your way ;-) 23:23 < esden> rxr: I promise too ... 23:23 < rxr> huebi: ;-) 23:23 < esden> == 23:14:26 =[3]=> Building base package xfree86 [4.2.0 1.5.17_2002-07-08_09h20]. 23:23 < esden> hmm ... that will take long ... ;-) 23:24 < esden> ok cheers you guys ... have a nice sleep if you are going to bed at all 23:24 < esden> n8 23:25 < huebi> esden: n8 23:26 -!- chrisime_ [~chrisime@p50803D25.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:29 -!- Caspar__ [~steven261@62.46.7.16] has joined #rocklinux 23:39 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@pD9E507CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:45 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082ACD8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:45 < tsa> hi 23:46 < owl> hi tsa 23:46 < huebi> moin tsa 23:47 < tsa> hi owl 23:47 < tsa> hi huebi 23:51 -!- WKaibigan [~Aloicious@ACBADAFA.ipt.aol.com] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --- Log closed Thu Jul 11 00:00:27 2002