--- Log opened Wed Jul 17 00:00:22 2002
--- Day changed Wed Jul 17 2002
00:00 * SMP geniesst die Ruhe
00:00 < thalerim> chrisime, tsa #temp
00:00 < chrisime> aha
00:00 < fake> :P SMP
00:00 < fake> ignore nick -PUBLIC
00:01 * fake wirft SMP ein par proggys und addys an den Kopf
00:01 < SMP> *ouch*
00:01 < chrisime> hmpf
00:01 < fake> http://pics.dorfbrunnen.de/kram/matematemate.jpg
00:02 < SMP> *gaehn*
00:02 < fake> ich glaub dieser tonnen-typ war calligula?
00:02 * SMP hat nur noch drei Flaschen
00:02 < SMP> davon zwei fuer's Wochenende ;(
00:02 < SMP> fake: nein
00:02 < fake> hm :-/
00:03 < fake> *wiedervonvornegruebelt*
00:03 < SMP> Diogenes von Sinope
00:04 < fake> ... du hast nachgeguggt
00:04 < SMP> das Diogenes waer mir irgendwann noch selbst eingefallen ;)
00:04 < fake> mir auch ... menno. 
00:05 < fake> irgendwie stell ich mir so ein fass grad verdammt bequem vor
00:05 < SMP> <setlur> ja, klar </setlur>
00:05 < tsa> fake: hassu gekifft?
00:05 < fake> sabrina setlur?
00:05 < fake> tsa: nein :(
00:06 < fake> tsa: nur muede..
00:07 < fake> der dumme azubi muss schauen ob die rechner abstuerzen...
00:07 < tsa> hehe
00:07 < SMP> du machst Azubi?
00:07 < SMP> mein Beileid..
00:07 < tsa> ;)
00:07 < fake> SMP: warum nicht...
00:07 < SMP> Ausbildung in der IT ist doch noch sinnfreier als ein Studium
00:08 < fake> hm, was soll ich sonst machen
00:08 < owl> (SMP) warum denn? ok, berufsschule kannste vergessen. aber du lernst im betrieb normalerweise praxis...
00:08 < SMP> Visitenkarten drucken wo 'Consultant' drauf steht und Geld verdienen
00:08 < fake> ausser auf dem gehaltszttel isses normale arbeit
00:08 < SMP> eeeek!
00:08 < huebi> SMP: Kannst du das mal auf sources.rocklinux.de auspacken? http://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.17/rock-src-1.5.17.tar.bz2
00:08 < SMP> owl: bitte den Quatsch aus machen
00:09 < owl> eh... sorry...
00:10 < SMP> huebi: uhm, aeh.
00:10 < fake> SMP: dann verdiene ich geld - und was mach ich damit?
00:10 < SMP> huebi: mein Konzept sah eigentlich einen CVS checkout vor
00:10 < SMP> den gibt's auch schon
00:10 < huebi> SMP: Funktioniert der denn schon?
00:10 < SMP> huebi: naja, im Grunde schon. ganz wenige package sources fehlen
00:11 < SMP> und ext-archive. aber das wolltest du ja raufladen
00:11 < SMP> fake: verdienst du jetzt keins?
00:11 < fake> SMP: einkommen 370, wohnung 325.
00:11 < fake> (kalt)
00:12 < SMP> ich mein---in der Branche gehoert es doch 'zum guten Ton', sein Studium abgebrochen zu haben
00:12 < fake> *lol*
00:12 < SMP> (ehm, das heisst 'eine sehr lange Pause zu machen')
00:12 < huebi> oder zumindest die Dissertation
00:12 < fake> ich weiss auch nicht...
00:12 < SMP> warum soll dann an ner abgebrochenen Ausbildung was falsch sein?
00:13 < SMP> wenn mann's drauf hat.
00:13 < huebi> mindestens 80% aller Sysadmins haben das gemacht.
00:13 < fake> SMP: sag mir was ich nach dem abbrechen machen soll
00:13 < SMP> wenn man's nicht drauf hat, hilft die Ausbildung auch nicht
00:13 < fake> im grunde mach ich ausbildung nur wiel ich nix bessers zu tun hab
00:13 < SMP> fake: was willst du denn nach der Ausbildung machen?
00:13 < fake> wenn jemand kommt und mich fragt sag ich nicht nein
00:13 < fake> SMP: keine ahnung
00:13 < SMP> ich verstehe.
00:13 < SMP> dann mach weiter die Aubildung. ;>
00:14 < fake> wusstest du shcon immer was du "mal werden willst" ?
00:14 < huebi> SMP: http://sources.rocklinux.de/rock-1.5/ <- ist irgendwie alt..
00:14 < SMP> fake: nein. ich einfach mit was anderem angefangen.
00:15 < fake> SMP: und dann hast du durch zufall das gefunden was du jetzt machst und es taugt dir?
00:15 < SMP> jep!
00:15 < fake> j0, genau so stell ich mir das auch vor
00:15 < fake> will mich nicht auf irgendwas verbohren, aendert sich eh alles zu schnell
00:16 < SMP> ich bin zwar erst 24 Jahre dabei, aber was anderes als Zufaelle gibt's im Leben doch nicht
00:16 < fake> hier im FIT waer suess
00:16 < SMP> also ich bilde mir jedenfalls nicht ein, mein Leben langfristig steuern zu koennen
00:16 < SMP> und das waer auch _langweilig_
00:16 < fake> ack...
00:17 < fake> naja, die firma hier is eh bald pleite
00:17 < fake> dann werd ich mal sehen
00:18 < fake> SMP: hast du nen bausparer? rentenversicherung? *g*
00:18 < SMP> *pruust*
00:18 < fake> *gg*
00:19 * fake looking for OSS Job with female.
00:19 * tsa looking for job with female on top of me.
00:19 < tsa> ;-)
00:20 < SMP> huebi: grad mal cvs update gemacht. es fehlt nur ein base pkg.
00:20 < SMP> huebi: soll ich dir den tree chown'en?
00:20 < fake> tsa will ne weibliche vorgesetzte?
00:20 < fake> *dg*
00:21 < tsa> fake: "top" bezog sich nicht auf position innerhalb der firma.
00:21 < fake> oh. ;)
00:21 < fake> man... der schreibtisch faengt shcon wieder an bequem auszusehen.. wer braucht schon ein fass ;-)
00:22 * SMP schlaeft gelegentlich schon mal auf dem Schreibtisch ein
00:22 < fake> SMP: ich weiss - 17C3 M-)
00:22 < huebi> SMP: Jo, gerne. Ich bin jetzt wieder am raufladen. Ich  muss nur mal dieleitung neu starten.
00:23 < SMP> fake: ;-}
00:24 < fake> my god... i came there with suse installed....
00:24 < fake> what a shame
00:26 < fake> http://www.esden.net/bilder/ccc_hackcenter1.jpg
00:26 < fake> woo!
00:27 < fake> oh my god... http://www.esden.net/bilder/ccc_hackcenter2.jpg
00:27 * owl will leave you now
00:27 < owl> gn8
00:27 < fake> i am sooo ugly
00:27 < fake> n8 owl
00:27 < huebi> n8 owl 
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00:28 < fake> http://www.esden.net/hal2001/
00:29 < fake> and 18C3: http://netcrow.by-infonet.de/ccc/
00:32 < fake> http://netcrow.by-infonet.de/ccc/hal/02-019.jpg hehe
00:33 < fake> HAL was fun...
00:33 < Freak> fake: rechts oder links?
00:33 < Freak> im hackcenter
00:34 < fake> links >_< is aber wirklich alt. rechts is esden
00:34 < Freak> ah
00:34 < Freak> (:
00:34 < fake> http://netcrow.by-infonet.de/ccc/hal/02-016.jpg btw, where is skaar ?
00:34 < fake> (the left one, standing)
00:36 < fake> ah, btw: th: http://netcrow.by-infonet.de/ccc/hal/02-002.jpg
00:37 < Freak> (:
00:37 < Freak> das oben bist auch du?
00:37 < Freak> zwischen den zelten?
00:37 < Freak> hast dich aber verändert.. hmmm
00:38 < fake> Freak: das is kaar
00:38 < fake> skaar
00:38 < Freak> ok
00:38 < Freak> *g
00:38 < fake> good pic of me: http://netcrow.by-infonet.de/ccc/hal/02-001.jpg *dg*
00:39 < fake> and my 2nd fav drug: http://netcrow.by-infonet.de/ccc/hal/01-013.jpg
00:41 < tsa> hehe
00:42 < fake> ich hab auf HAL gar nicht gekifft
00:42 < fake> faellt mir da so auf
00:46 < fake> welch ironie...
00:48 < fake> wow. even lxtag 2001: http://fake.by-infonet.de/linuxtag/
00:55 < thalerim> gn8
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00:56 < huebi> n8 th 
00:56 < chrisime> he
00:56 < chrisime> h
00:58 < chrisime> n8 kinderZ
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00:58 < SMP> huebi: ~rockwww/sources.rocklinux.de/htdocs/rock-1.5 is yours
00:58 < huebi> SMP: danke.
01:01 < fake> *AARGH*
01:01 < fake> *smashes head against desk*
01:01 < fake> no! no! no!
01:01 < fake> okay. this is it. 
01:02 < fake> i give up
01:04 < fake> time for openldap
01:06 < fake> is there a working 1.5 iso for P4?
01:06 < fake> (optimized for)
01:06 < huebi> fake: yes.
01:07 < fake> huebi: i need it. NOW.
01:07 < huebi> mom url follows
01:08 < huebi> ftp://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.16/rock-ia32-i586-base+opt-1.5.16.iso
01:09 < fake> huebi: thanks, i owe you s/th... 
01:09 < huebi> I started 1.5.17 a few minutes ago...
01:09 < huebi> for i586
01:09 < fake> ah, you use gcc2 for 1.5 exclusively, right?
01:10 < huebi> But I need at least 12h for the upload.
01:10 < huebi> yes 2.95.3 only
01:10 < fake> that's why there is no -pentium4 ;-)
01:10 < fake> -mcpu=pentium4 that is
01:16 < huebi> good night cu tomorrow.
01:16 < fake> n8...
01:16 < fake> sleep well!
01:16 < huebi> fake: you too ;-)
01:16 < fake> ha-ha.
01:24 * fake waer jetz sooo gern tot
01:43 < tsa> n8
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02:08 < fake> whatever.
02:08 < fake> <-- drives home.
02:08 < fake> bye.
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06:29 < esden> morning
07:18 < [anders]> moin
07:21 < snyke> moin
07:21 < snyke> <-- school
07:21 < snyke> bbl
07:27 < esden> moin [anders] 
07:27 < esden> ahh I LOVE ROCK !!!!!!
07:27 < esden> *kuddle*
07:28 < esden> subversion is so terribly outdated on debian ... that is terrible
07:29 < esden> but one thing we finally need is an update concept in the style of debian apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade
07:29 < esden> badly needed feature
07:42 < huebi> Good morning ;-)
07:49 < huebi> I sleeped 6h30. That's nice. not tiered now anmore...
08:02 < esden> huebi: morning, you are sleeping way to much ;-)
08:04 < huebi> esden: no, still not enough...
08:10 < esden> huebi: luschi ;-)
08:15 < huebi> okeyokeyokey... 
08:40 < esden> hehe
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08:41 < esden> no mails from cliff ... strange
08:58 < [anders]> moin again
08:58 < huebi> moin [anders] 
08:58 * [anders] is now at work... having a whale of a time (not)
08:59 < esden> re [anders] 
08:59 < [anders]> huebi: good that you got a full (-ish) night of sleep.. It isn't very nice to be tired all the time, is it.. :)
08:59 < huebi> I'm going to  adapt your patches now.
08:59 < huebi> [anders]: No, it really isn't
09:00 < [anders]> huebi: hopefully you will find nothing wrong with them, and the README will explain the tar patch...
09:00 < huebi> ok.
09:00 < esden> huebi: has rxr written the promissed documentation about the kernel packets ?
09:01 * -> esden is advertising rocklinux on #svn ;-)
09:03 < huebi> esden: should Mathilda come, too?
09:05 * [anders] reading CryptoGram
09:16 < esden> huebi: lool
09:16 * -> esden be back
09:16 < [anders]> http://www.theregus.com/content/4/25196.html
09:28 < huebi> [anders]: Do you want it to have like this:
09:28 < huebi> +/* 13 Oct 97: patched by Hiroshi Takekawa to integrate bzip2 as
09:28 < huebi> +              compression filter (option -I) */
09:28 < huebi> +/* 2002-07-16: patched by Anders KarlssoN to integrate bzip2 as
09:28 < huebi> +              compression filter (with the aditional options -j and -y) */
09:28 < huebi> ?
09:28 < [anders]> huebi: any way you like it.. I am not fussed..
09:28 < [anders]> :)
09:29 < huebi> ok, but I have to spell your name right.
09:29 < huebi> +/* 2002-07-16: patched by Anders Karlsson to integrate bzip2 as
09:29 < huebi> +              compression filter (with the aditional options -j and -y) */
09:29 < [anders]> huebi: Looks good to me.. :-D
09:30 < huebi> fine
09:35 < huebi> [anders]: applied ;-)
09:37 < [anders]> huebi: alrighty.. :)
09:38 < [anders]> will take a good look at some of the extensions that failed to build yesterday later.. I have a reasonably good idea why some of them failed so spectacularly..
09:38 < [anders]> shuttle:/drock/rock-src-1.5.17.private/ext-config/expat# ls -l ../../ext-archive/expat/
09:39 < [anders]> total 4
09:39 < [anders]> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root           14 Jul 10 05:14 expat-1.95.2.tar.bz2
09:39 < [anders]> somehow I think expat archive should be a little bigger than 14 bytes.... 
09:39 < huebi> Yes, longer than the name itself...
09:40 < [anders]> hehehe... I need to try and download it again and check it..
09:46 < [anders]> humma.. what creates the .pz, .conf etc from the .ext ?
09:46 < huebi> ./scripts/Puzzle
09:46 < [anders]> ok..
09:49 < [anders]> Hmm.. the download URL in the .ext for expat was wrong, hence why the archive was not the correct size. Hopefully this is the only thing that is the fault with most failed extentions..
09:51 < huebi> [anders]: Send me your patches please. Too many extensions are broken and if you fix it I put it in cvs.
09:51 < [anders]> huebi: once I get a few of them working, I'll tar them up and send them on to you.. :)
09:52 < huebi> great.
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10:11 < holyolli> moin
10:11 < huebi> moin holyolli 
10:11 < holyolli> huhu huebi
10:13 < [anders]> moin holyolli 
10:13 < holyolli> hi anders
10:38 < [anders]> argh! I bloody think the package I fixed in E is going to be the fscking last of the 100 to be built again.... *grumble* *swear*
10:47 < [anders]> http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2874298,00.html
10:47 < [anders]> mmmmmm.. more of this folks.. I wish more countries would do this type of thing... :-)
10:51 < huebi> [anders]: ACK.
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11:35 < esden> re hi all
11:36 < Ge0rG> hi esden
11:36 < esden> hi Ge0rG 
11:37 < huebi> moin Ge0rG 
11:37 < Ge0rG> hi huebi :)
11:38 * huebi is getting more programs into 1.5.18.
11:41 < esden> huebi: what kind of programs ?
11:41 < huebi> computer programs *g*
11:42 < huebi> mt-st
11:42 < huebi> rp-pppoe
11:42 < huebi> irrsi
11:42 < huebi> cdparanoia
11:42 < huebi> mtx
11:42 < huebi> samba
11:42 < rxr> wow - rock becoms dRock *lol*
11:42 < huebi> squid
11:42 < huebi> nload
11:42 * rxr wondering
11:42 < huebi> cowsay *g*
11:43 < huebi> rxr: There must be a reason why you built dRock.
11:43 < rxr> you are currently redoing all my dRock changes ...
11:44 < huebi> rxr: well, most of them are services I need in day to day use.
11:44 < rxr> irrsi? cdparanoia? *lol*
11:44 < huebi> except cowsay and cdparanoia.
11:45 < huebi> ok irrsi too ;-)
11:46 < esden> huebi: you have to include an ogg/vorbis encoder ... and rip !!!!
11:46 < huebi> what is rip
11:46 < esden> I need it in day to day use
11:47 < huebi> what is rip goog for
11:47 < huebi> s/g/b/
11:47 < huebi> s/b/d/
11:47 < huebi> hehe
11:47 < esden> rip is an pithon(?)/perl(?) script to run cdparanoia and encoder to rip cd's and directly ancode in mp3 or other format like the free ogg/vorbis format
11:48 < esden> and also gets the cd tracknames from the net
11:48 < esden> very good thing I must say
11:48 < huebi> and what about lame?
11:49 < rxr> From:Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
11:49 < rxr> To:linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
11:49 < rxr> Date:Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:58:57 -0700
11:49 < rxr> Envelope-to: rene@localhost
11:49 < rxr> Delivery-date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:39:20 +0200
11:49 < rxr> I have an Indy with a drive, IRIX is installed, and I have no need for it.
11:49 < esden> lame is not free ? 
11:49 < rxr> If there is a Linux kernel person who wants it and will do something
11:49 < rxr> useful (like support Linux on it or anything else which is for the
11:49 < rxr> general good of the Linux effort) contact me and I'll ship it to you.
11:49 < rxr> Cheers,
11:49 < esden> it is an mp3 encoder ?
11:49 < rxr> --lm
11:50 < esden> hmm ... rxr hehe ... his mailbox will blow up ;-)
11:50 < huebi> rxr: forward it to fake.
11:50 < Ge0rG> lame is free and an mp3 encoder.
11:50 < esden> ok Ge0rG I use it for my mp3 encoding
11:50 < rxr> huebi: I think the box will be already given away. And I also do ot get why some people get all hardware, while others have none ...
11:51 < esden> but it is only an encoder and not a full featured ripper
11:51 < esden> rxr: some days you loose ... and the other days others win ... :-(
11:52 * Ge0rG has used abcde which is a script to rip mp3s.
11:52 < esden> Ge0rG: I am using rip for ripping currently
11:52 * rxr types cdparanoia and oggenc ...
11:52 < esden> it is able to use most avalable encoders
11:53 < esden> rxr: and how do you get the tracknames ?
11:53 < esden> and get the files named correctly with correct comments/m3 tags ?
11:54 < huebi> Where is the sf cvs?
11:55 < esden> huebi: cvs.projectname.sf.net ?
11:55 < esden> ;-)
11:56 < rxr> 2.4.19-rc2
11:56 < huebi> esden: and of rocklinux? nothing to see in the browser.
11:58 < rxr> ???
11:59 < rxr> still 4 days to holiday :-(
11:59 * -> esden calling ripclaw
11:59 < [anders]> abcde is definately one of the better ripper-scripts around.. it has dependencies, but on the other hand, it will query cddb amd tag each track automatically as it is ripping.. nice feature is that it defaults to using Ogg Vorbis now..
12:00 < rxr> huebi: maybe you could link to dRock as well ? (on your site)
12:01 < rxr> (in the Download section)
12:04 < [anders]> the abiword .ext is taking the piss.... no, really..
12:06 < huebi> rxr: url?
12:07 < [anders]> # ROCK Linux AbiWord extension package.
12:07 < [anders]> #
12:07 < [anders]> # Written by Clifford Wolf <god@clifford.at>
12:07 * [anders] is rolling on the floor in hysterical laughter wetting himself...
12:07 < huebi> hehe
12:07 < [anders]> I know Clifford good..... But his spelling is lacking.. ;-)
12:07 < [anders]> is good even.. *g*
12:08 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/drock.html
12:08 -!- Ge0rG is now known as ge0rg
12:08 < huebi> the samba.ext - remote root exploit kit.
12:13 < esden> soo feddisch 
12:13 < esden> *kaffeeschluerf*
12:14 < rxr> fettich? Mit was?
12:16 < esden> mit rippy reden
12:16 < huebi> rxr: perhaps with waking up.
12:16 < esden> der ruft mich heute abend noch an
12:16 * -> esden sucht arbet ;-)
12:17 < huebi> esden: export LAND=en_GB
12:17 < esden> huebi: sorry :-((((((
12:17 < huebi> esden: okokok
12:17 * -> esden hearing moby - If things were perfect
12:18 < huebi> But with talking in german about your search does not offer you a job in english spoken countries
12:18 < esden> yes right
12:18 * -> esden searching for payed work
12:19 < [anders]> paid..
12:19 * -> esden has his last exam the 22 and then I can do something for money
12:19 < esden> [anders]: thanks
12:19 < [anders]> esden: soz, habit.. :-)
12:19 < esden> [anders]: I can go on the street .... ;-)
12:20 < esden> [anders]: please correct me ... I need it :-(
12:20 < huebi> esden <- will aslo work for bandwidth...
12:20 < huebi> and free coffee
12:21 < [anders]> I even correct people here in England that speaks english since birth. It has been a source or great mirth before, but also source of aggravation at times when people are not in the mood to be corrected....
12:21 * -> esden should go to a english speaking country to better his english
12:21 < [anders]> esden: I did that.. now I live here and are unlikely to move back to Sweden in a hurry..
12:21 < huebi> and of course: big cars, nice girls and biiiig money
12:22 * [anders] tried moving back but instead the marriage broke and troubles started..
12:22 < esden> I will work for bandwidth, fast obscure hardware, and free coffee
12:22 < huebi> [anders]: a docker in Liverpool needs his whole live only 400 different words. ;-))
12:22 < [anders]> esden: talk to IBM... ;-)
12:22 < huebi> *LOL*
12:22 < esden> *lol*
12:23 < esden> without even a bachelor ?
12:23 < [anders]> esden: what would you want a bachelor for? 
12:23 < huebi> esden: Here in Mainz they produce hard disks. you can be payed with them.
12:23 < [anders]> I didn't think you were interested in men.. ;-)
12:24 < esden> [anders]: men, what?
12:24 < [anders]> esden: a bachelor is an unmarried man.. ;-D
12:24 < huebi> <AOL> I knew it, I knew it! </AOL>
12:25 < esden> hmm ... I mean ... bachelor of computer science
12:25 < huebi> esden: that's redundant.
12:25 < esden> *rofl*
12:25 < huebi> *ROTLOL*
12:25 < [anders]> esden: a degree is good... but I don't have one and I have now in total worked for IBM four years..
12:25 < esden> huebi: rotating loughing ?
12:26 < [anders]> laughing
12:26 < esden> kk :-/
12:26 < esden> *gg*
12:26 < [anders]> arrf! I do it again.. :)
12:26 < huebi> *LOOOOOL*
12:26 < [anders]> tell me to shut up if it is irritating.. :)
12:26 * -> esden needs ispell for irssi ;-)
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12:26 < huebi> moin bluefire 
12:26 < esden> hi bluefire 
12:27 < [anders]> moin bluefire 
12:27 < [anders]> resistance is futile esden, prepare to be spellchecked! :-D
12:28 < esden> uhh ... [anders] when you try to spellcheck my species, you will get a buffer overflow for sure ;-)
12:30 < [anders]> esden: *giggle* whatever you say.. :)
12:33 < bluefire> Hi auch!
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12:37 < huebi> rxr: have a look, please: http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/index.html
12:54 < rxr> ok
12:54 < huebi> rxr: zufireden? ;-)
12:55 < rxr> sure
12:56 < huebi> good
12:56 < huebi> I saw I have to update very many things - much work...
13:06 < rxr> what do you wanna like to update ?
13:07 < huebi> 1.5 changed a bit. the SPARC and alpha port did go forward. linu, linux-src and linux-header...
13:08 < rxr> huebi: I will fix the linux* stuff for you. Either this night or tomorrw morning. - But I have to leave in some hours and have to sort some thing before.
13:10 < huebi> rxr: I will leave tomorrow morning and will be back online at about saturday. Have you mentioned that I now copie all files to /usr/include/{linux,asm}? Then linux-src and linu can be removed without any harm to glibc.
13:11 < fake> moin
13:11 < huebi> hi fake. Late at work today *g*
13:12 < huebi> ?
13:12 < esden> hi fake
13:13 < fake> huebi: no.
13:13 < fake> huebi: usual 7 hrs sleep rythmn.
13:13 < fake> (7 hrs is a lot, as you know XD)
13:13 < huebi> jo, I know...
13:14 < huebi> esden: on alpha:
13:14 < huebi> == 10:38:20 =[3]=> Building base package qt [3.0.4 1.5.17].
13:14 < huebi> Pkg-Config: qt.desc qt.conf pkg-header done.
13:14 < huebi> Building. Writing output to /var/adm/logs/3-qt.out
13:14 < huebi> Build-Tar: No such package: qt
13:14 < huebi> > make[4]: *** [dbconnections.h] Illegal instruction (core dumped)
13:14 < huebi> > make[4]: *** Deleting file `dbconnections.h'
13:14 < esden> yes I know huebi 
13:14 < huebi> esden: any idea?
13:14 < esden> it is a known problem
13:15 < esden> and I had no time to look into it more deeply till now
13:15 < huebi> ah... ok
13:15 < esden> sorry
13:16 < huebi> doesnt matter. but would be nice to have it fixed.
13:16 < esden> sure ... I will fix it in the next time
13:16 < esden> but only because you requested ;-)
13:17 < huebi> esden: Mathilda asked about KDE on alpha ;-)))
13:17 < [anders]> Yummy, I have just seen Vimacs.. Emacs mode for VIM... Time to download and install.. Then I will make a patch for the vim package... *eg*
13:18 < esden> huebi: mathilda is nasty >_<
13:18 < huebi> [anders]: *LOL*
13:19 < huebi> esden: Please, be quiet. I wouldn't like to see her angry...
13:19 < esden> [anders]: yes sure do it ... ... or even better replace the emacs package with it ... then it is still emacs ... but in a mode that is usable ;-)
13:20 < esden> huebi: ohh sorry *being_quiet*
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13:22 < huebi> AARRGHHH. rp-pppoe has noe a nasty GUI.
13:22 < [anders]> esden: Oh no.. Emacs would have to be there as well.. but vim with the emacs mode should be available as per default on the install CD so that an editor with sane commands is available.. ;-)
13:22 < huebi> [anders]: If you want it I'll implement your patch ;-)
13:23 < [anders]> huebi: I'll have to make the patch first.. But believe me, I will get there at some point.. :)
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13:24 < esden> [anders]: yea sure ... *lough*
13:24 < fake> who wants to downgrade vim to emacs?
13:25 < esden> fake: [anders] 
13:25 < [anders]> fake: an upgrade ratehr..
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13:25 < esden> c'mon boys let us have an editor flamewar!!! I want to see blood ;-)
13:26 < [anders]> vim loads faster and has a slightly smaller memory foot-print.. so if it can be made to use decent keystrokes it can be a poor replacement for a _real_ editor.. ;-D
13:26 < fake> the only annoying thing about vim keystrokes is the <ESC> key being placed so poorly
13:26 < huebi> Who even needs a Visual Interface to ed? hehehehehe
13:26 < fake> but one can map that to CAPSLOCK
13:26 < fake> i never really used CAPSLOCK
13:27 < fake> i can map that to escape, and i'm set.
13:27 * [anders] 's keyboard doesn't have a caps lock key...
13:28 < huebi> How can I remove in a .conf file a file of the packeage from the system?
13:28 < huebi> etc/init.d/rcX.d/X10rp-pppoe <- Just a hint in there nobody needs.
13:31 < [anders]> huebi: you could try and modify the file list that the tar archive is being built from?
13:32 < huebi> yes, thats possible with the flist_del funktion.
13:32 < [anders]> you can not prevent the file from being created, but you can prevent it from being added to the package..
13:32 < [anders]> so in a subsequent install, the file should not be tehre..
13:33 < huebi> yes, I try that now
13:52 < rxr> fake: yeah - that would be a nice upgrade for the stupid CAPSLOCK key ;-)
13:53 < rxr> huebi: in your post above: s/mentioned/noticed/ ?
13:53 < rxr> Yes I have noticed this. ...
13:54 < huebi> great.
13:56 < rxr> huebi: but the linux*.conf files are a mess in 1.5 - had you take a look into dRock or 1.7?
13:56 < rxr> but anyway - I'll fix this.
13:58 < huebi> rxr: I took a look on dRock and 1.7. But I did not understand what's done there. So I tried to find it out.
14:00 < huebi> rxr: And please keep the *.conf files in one peace. 
14:00 < rxr> 14:00 < huebi> rxr: And please keep the *.conf files in one peace.
14:00 < rxr> Haeh???!?
14:01 < huebi> Don't slit them up again and source several files.
14:01 < huebi> +p
14:01 < huebi> rxr: I that ok for you?
14:01 < [anders]> piece
14:02 < rxr> huebi: I do not understand what you try to say ....
14:02 < huebi> [anders]: Thanks ;-))
14:02 < [anders]> huebi: just tell me to shut up, ok? :)
14:02 < huebi> rxr: I mean linux*.conf is one file witout any dependencies to other files.
14:03 < huebi> +h
14:03 < huebi> e.g. a make_dep.sh should not be needed.
14:05 < huebi> rxr: ???
14:05 < rxr> I do not now about make_dep.sh ...
14:05 < huebi> rxr: did you mention the e.g. ?
14:06 < huebi> noyice of cource.
14:06 < huebi> urgs
14:06 < rxr> But in dRock and 1.7 we have a lx_config.sh which does the configuration. So you do not have to copy the geek code into the several linux*.conf files.
14:06 < rxr> currently you have the advanced geek code in all of these files with other bugs in each.
14:07 < rxr> You now software design. Unite common code/features - so no duplication is introduced ...
14:07 < huebi> I don't understand lx_config.sh. And also Sparc64 is missing in it.
14:07 < rxr> huebi: This is a waste of time - I'll simply fix it ..
14:07 < rxr> and adding sparc64 is the simpliest problem
14:08 < huebi> what is a waste of time?
14:08 < rxr> AND I think the 1.5 sparc64 think is completely broken and should NEVER be used
14:08 < rxr> discussing the details here on IRC
14:08 < rxr> ^- is wasted time 
14:09 < huebi> rxr: Have you a better solution for the sparc64 thing?
14:09 < rxr> yes: DO TI RIGHT IN 1.7! IS IT THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND ????
14:10 < rxr> we need the gcc-3.1 for this and some bug-fixing
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14:13 < codeq> hi
14:14 < [anders]> moin codeq 
14:16 < huebi> rxr: Yes, it's really hard to understand. you know the missing parts in 1.5 for sparc64, there are a few working distributions out there and you just get angry. I don't know why. Also if it would not be a perfect solution, it would be a solution.
14:20 < huebi> rxr: for gcc3.1 is no space in 1.5. Tha's of course something for 1.7. There might be not too many open questions to be answered to get all of 1.5 running on sparc64.
14:20 < esden> hi codeq 
14:22 < [anders]> what architectures are needed to work for 1.6.0 to be released? if sparc64 is gated due to gcc 3.1 being a pre-requisite, then sparc64 might have to be left out.. Which is a shame.. But if no work can be done to solve the problem in 1.5.X, then perhaps it is better to leave sparc64 arch to 1.7 and just forget about it. A shame for the people that actually could use it in 1.6.0 and that were hoping it was to be there, but if it can not be done, it can not b
14:25 < [anders]> for 1.6.0 I know ia32, alpha and sparc32 are not an option that they do not work. What other arch's are on the list to get working?
14:25 < huebi> [anders]: Very many things are running stable and compile without problems on sparc64 at the moment. I don't through away all this work. I want it to be in 1.6.0. Alpha is also not so far from beeing finished.
14:26 < huebi> Sparc64, ia32 and alpha are the goals for 1.6.0
14:30 < huebi> rxr: huhu. Are you still here? I don't want to kick your ass. I want to get ROCK Linux 1.6.0 running. And you're somebody very important and needed in this issue.
14:30 < huebi> ;-)
14:35 < [anders]> huebi: If Sparc64 is close to working I can not see why we should leave it out unless there is some so fundamental problem in what tools we have in 1.5.x that Sparc64 will never work with those tools.. If there is a way to get it working 100%, I say lets go for it. :)
14:37 < [anders]> unfortunately I do not have the hardware to build anything for Sparc64 and test the result. When I get the space and the money I might try and get hold of some 64bit Sun equipment and set it up to build things. It helps that my gf works at Sun I think... :)
14:39 < huebi> Yes, that she works there will be a great help.
14:39 < huebi> ;-)
14:40 < huebi> One major problem on sparc64 is that e.g. XFree86  has to be linked against a 64Bit-glibc. Really ugly in an otherwise clean 32Bit userland.
14:40 -!- ge0rg is now known as Ge0rG
14:40 < huebi> re Ge0rG 
14:41 < Ge0rG> :)
14:41 < fake> hi Ge0rG 
14:41 < rxr> huebi: I'm simply busy
14:42 < esden> re Ge0rG 
14:42 < Ge0rG> 'lo everybody :)
14:42 < huebi> rxr: OK. I _really_ don't want you to get upset.
14:42 < rxr> huebi: simply remove sparc64 frlom the list and put sparc in !!!
14:43 < rxr> as several people stated very often the hybrid sparc64/32 thing is BROKEN - and fundamental programs (like every app that uses mmap) so also the whole XFree will NOT WORK!!!
14:43 < esden> rxr, huebi: be nice to eachother !!!
14:43 < rxr> armjn himself said: "I never tested XFree"
14:43 < fake> being nice is boooring ;)
14:44 < fake> FIGHT!
14:44 < rxr> And I consider XFree a necessary part of a stable system ...
14:44 < esden> fake: huebi vs. rxr 
14:44 < fake> rxr: NACK
14:44 < esden> may the fight begin ;-)
14:44 < esden> rxr: NACK
14:44 < rxr> huebi: sparc64-broken can stay in 1.5/6 but it does not work properly. It is that simple.
14:44 < fake> Xfree is not neccesarily part of any system
14:44 < huebi> rxr: If a sparc(32) kernel gets booting on sparc64 all should be solved.
14:45 < rxr> huebi: I think that is possible - every dies does just this.
14:45 < huebi> esden: The fight is over :D
14:45 < rxr> oh -but wait . fuck sparc is broken in linux-2.4, isn't it?
14:45 < esden> huebi: ohh ... :-(
14:45 < rxr> huebi: which fight?
14:45 < esden> huebi: who won ? mathilda ?
14:45 < huebi> rxr: no fight ;-))
14:46 < rxr> I simply have no time to chat the whole day
14:46 < fake> ....aeh... sparc wins!
14:46 < rxr> ...
14:46 < esden> rxr: write emalis ;-)
14:46 < fake> blood on the chatfloor...
14:46 < rxr> huebi: 1st: I'll fix the linux* stuff in 1.5 within the next days (including not modifying any existing sparc64 code)
14:46 < huebi> rxr: And sparc should be fixed now in 2.4.19-rc?. Slow but working.
14:47 < rxr> 2nd: Sparc64 will not work satisfying and should not be a release goal for 1.6 ...
14:47 < rxr> huebi: nice to hear. So we should simply use the 32 bit stuff on all sparc boxes (it is faster anyway).
14:47 * rxr busy again ...
14:49 < huebi> an other problem is, that in sparc32 kernels no pci is selectable.
14:49 < huebi> but we'll see what is possible.
14:49 < fake> huebi: i can choose PCI for Krups?
14:50 < huebi> *openXterm*
14:52 < huebi> make ARCH=sparc menuconfig
14:54 < huebi> fake: there are only 2 SCSI drivers.
14:54 < huebi> <*> Sparc ESP Scsi Driver
14:54 < huebi> <M> PTI Qlogic,ISP Driver
14:54 < fake> huebi: and persistent PCI tables
14:54 < fake> but no ebus support, unfortunately
14:55 < huebi> fake: So no Processor support *g*
14:56 < fake> huebi: ?
14:56 < fake> huebi: what dies USparc have to do with PCI? 
14:56 < fake> does
14:57 < huebi> Ultra 30,5 = PCI
14:57 < fake> except it uses it... but sparc v8 code should run on sparc v9
14:57 < fake> at least that
14:57 < fake> 's what sun keeps telling us
14:57 < huebi> fake: Yes, it does.
14:57 < fake> so?
14:57 < huebi> That's the 32-Bit code.
15:07 < fake> so?
15:08 < huebi> jo, or am I wrong? Do you know more?
15:13 < rxr> huebi: you again wrote sentences without content. What did you try to express?
15:14 < huebi> rxr: Pleas qoute them ;-)
15:14 < Freak> yuck pepsi max is evil :(
15:14 < Freak> morning guys
15:14 < rxr> the last lines about PCI and 32 bit? There was no information in them ...
15:14 < rxr> Hi fake 
15:15 < Freak> Freak it is ;)
15:15 < rxr> 15:08 < huebi> jo, or am I wrong? Do you know more?
15:15 < rxr> ^- What should we know more about?
15:16 < huebi> rxr: Not all needed PCI-SCSI controllers for Ultra30,5 are not avaliable.
15:16 < huebi> 15:07 < fake> so?
15:16 < rxr> "Not all" "are not avaliable" ?
15:17 < huebi> e.g SYM53C875 is not avaliable. Avaliable SCSI-Controllers are only: Sparc ESP Scsi Driver, PTI Qlogic,ISP Driver
15:21 < huebi> U5 should work, there is CMD64X support but no PCI based Enterprice Server
15:22 < fake> huebi: That is no critism against you/rxr. i'm just curious why sun tells us oh-so-proud that thay can run sparc v8 code on sparc v9
15:22 < fake> "backwards compatibility"
15:23 < rxr> hm - we should look deeper into this ... - But it is still possible to compile a sparc64 kernel for those boxes - But you loose many applications by doing so ...
15:23 < fake> so a sparc v8 32bit kernel should run on sparc64
15:23 < fake> (drivers are another thing)
15:23 < rxr> and for enterprise server you wanna have true user-space 64 for databases ... anyway
15:23 < rxr> so your hybid 64/32 sparc64 will not be of much use there ...
15:24 < rxr> fake: YES ACK - That is what I say for weeks now! Thanks!
15:25 < rxr> the only problem might be: a) broken 2.4 kernel for sparc (needs checking) and b) missing PCI drivers (might be fixable)?
15:25 < huebi> the "oh-so-proud" is a very well trained Marketing behaviour. It needs ages for normal people to reach this level of ... stupidity ;>
15:25 < fake> this 64-32-bit glibc/whatever thing is a major flaw
15:25 < fake> huebi: the head of the Langen Testbed told me so
15:25 < rxr> AND when we wanna get into the serious dist buisines, we might start to do this kernel hacking - we can not hope that others fix this "non-x86" arches for us ...
15:25 < fake> huebi: ich hab eigentlich ne recht hohe meinung ueber den
15:26 < fake> huebi: so has ripclaw.
15:26 < fake> egal.
15:26 < rxr> 15:25 < fake> this 64-32-bit glibc/whatever thing is a major flaw
15:26 < rxr> ^- what do you mean ?
15:26 < fake> i think major flaws like bi-bitting is a thing for 1.7
15:26 < fake> we should get 1.5 stable and start focusing on 1.7
15:27 < fake> start driving porsche instead of tuning your l33t VW kaefer
15:27 < fake> that would bring lots of developers to 1.7
15:27 < fake> and pushing it further
15:27 < huebi> fake: You never meat his predessicor, Gerd, I think. He was _really_ good and does not bother people with common stuff.
15:27 < fake> silving lots of problems you have now 1.5
15:28 < fake> s,now,now with,
15:28 < rxr> huebi: yes. You really played too much with 1.5 ... - It should be released month ago - and all this new porting, packages ... should be in 1.7
15:28 < rxr> with this two trees in parallel we loose too much man-power
15:28 < fake> huebi: yeah, unfortunately i didn't. but the current one donated me a SS5, so i like him.
15:28 < fake> rxr: ACK.
15:29 < huebi> That would mean that we only have ia32 now.
15:30 < fake> huebi: then make that Rock-Solid
15:30 < fake> huebi: you shouldn't burn all your powers to something that is not _current_
15:30 < rxr> when the ports are not ready ... - And 1.7 has MUCH advanded port support ...
15:30 < [anders]> fake: that is what we are trying to do..
15:31 < fake> [anders]: i mean if only ia32 works reasonable - well, then there is only ia32. big deal.
15:31 < fake> if you want something else, use 1.7 - it's that easy.
15:31 < rxr> It was neraly stable. Now we get a second dRock - and this is stable since last December ...
15:31 < [anders]> fake: and leave the alpha and sparc people high and dry?
15:31 < rxr> fake: ACK
15:31 < huebi> Added packages are only the KDE stuff, not really added just moved to base.
15:31 < fake> [anders]: there is 1.7 (!!)
15:32 < rxr> [anders]: and 1.7 even runs on my laptop - since a few days before LinuxTag ...
15:32 < rxr> even with gcc-3.1
15:32 < rxr> AND I made much progress with TRUE Sparc64 (no hybrid fluff) with it.
15:33 < [anders]> rxr: excellent.. So Rock 2.0 is a breeze in the park and way ahead of schedule I take it? ;-)
15:33 < fake> huebi: we all appreciate your work very much, don't get this wrong.
15:33 < fake> [anders] when everyone keeps working on 1.5 it's of course not.
15:34 < fake> [anders] and it will never change if things stay like they are
15:34 < [anders]> currently, 1.5.17, base+opt builds on ia32. I tried and tested this and it works.. the extentions is not such a hoot however..
15:35 < fake> [anders]: i made succesfull builds of 1.7 base long time ago.
15:35 < [anders]> fake: so if everyone pulled together perhaps both 1.5 and 1.7 could get on schedule and out on time?
15:36 < fake> [anders]: 1.5 should become 1.6 ASAP - no additions, no backports, just GET IT OUT and start hacking at 1.7
15:37 < huebi> There is one major problem in 1.5. It is/was far from stable. Not usable for real production purposes out of the box. Everybody switched to 1.7 in december and gave up the work on 1.5. It was just a dream to get 1.5 stable fast. And I release it only if it's STABLE. <- Yes I really mean it. ;-)  
15:37 < [anders]> fake: if I could get the extentions building I would be happy.. currently 100 of them does not build.. I have fixed _one_ today.. I will carry on fixing others but there is only so much one can do.. 
15:38 < huebi> fake: concentrate on 1.5 if you want it stable.
15:38 < fake> huebi: that's okay, but what about limiting STABLE to Stable for ia32?
15:38 < [anders]> as far as I can tell, the extensions are no where near stable no matter what release of Rock you are using.. 
15:39 < rxr> huebi: the problem is, that you backported many things, splitted the linux package, and played around. No wonder that it is not stable ...
15:39 < fake> [anders]: i don't need extensions... i am prefectly happy with the isos huebi provides.
15:39 < [anders]> rxr: the split of the linux package worked pretty well I thought.. 
15:40 < huebi> rxr: If I make a want to change the kernel I must be able to do that. that was not possible.
15:40 < [anders]> fake: if you limit 1.5 to base+opt then it could pretty much go 1.6.0 today..
15:40 < rxr> yes - but now the packages are messed up. And WHY (the hell) was this necessary in 1.5? It was already in 1.7.
15:40 < [anders]> IMHO ofcourse..
15:40 < huebi> rxr: Production purposes.
15:40 < rxr> huebi: what "changing the kernel" was not possible ????
15:41 < fake> rxr: cool your temper ;-)
15:41 < huebi> pkg-remove linux ?
15:41 < rxr> huebi: and ?
15:41 < huebi> left me with broken header for glibc...
15:41 < fake> huebi: do you acck on [anders] ?
15:41 < rxr> wow - simply install a new kernel ... (*wonderin*"
15:41 < rxr> )
15:42 < huebi> fake: not today, next week could be possible. If all is tested and stable.
15:42 < fake> huebi: then fsck ext and make it so. ext can be thrown in any time later IMHO - es it is ext as in "extension, not necessary"
15:43 < fake> huebi: can i help by trying to build a base + opt?
15:44 < huebi> rxr: I can see that you're not common with Production needs outside in real life when you are responsible for the system.
15:44 * fake remembers something about "no fight"
15:47 < huebi> I have to earn my money with system administration. And if there is something nasty as the kernel packages in 1.5 I through this crap away. I don't loose my job because of such not-thought-to-the-end-things.
15:47 < huebi> brb
15:47 < [anders]> so far I have built ia32 i686 with make -j2, that threw up a few problems and I have fed patches back.. IMHO builds should be attempted with both make -j1 and make -jN where N>1 to make sure the packages are configured correctly.. I do not think I have caught all packages that doesn't like make -j2, because sometimes a parallel build will work, it depends on luck.
15:49 < rxr> huebi: nonsense - I'm common to production needs - but the problem that removin linux leaves you with missing headers for compiles is not really a problem
15:49 < fake>  Personally i think anyone that build a system to control a
15:49 < fake>                 nuclear power plant and connects it to the internet should get a life sentence
15:50 < rxr> huebi: "loose the job because of our kernel package" - urghs !?!?!?!?!?!?!
15:50 -!- WKaibigan [~Aloicious@ACBA3336.ipt.aol.com] has joined #rocklinux
15:50 < [anders]> moin WKaibigan 
15:50 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux
15:50 < Mike1> Moin
15:50 < [anders]> moin Mike1 
15:50 < [anders]> Mike1: welcome to th3e warzone.. :)
15:50 < Mike1> [anders]: haha thanks
15:50 < WKaibigan> Hi there
15:51 < [anders]> Mike1: how did you get on with the rock-src ? :)
15:52 < Mike1> [anders]: not so good, i had a car accident on my home last night so i didnt get to even look at it
15:52 < Mike1> on my way home*
15:52 < fake> Mike1 you okay?
15:52 < Mike1> fake: yeah i guess, just most of my body parts hurt a bit
15:53 < fake> Mike1 don't tell me you haven't been to the doctor ?!
15:53 < [anders]> Mike1: cheesus.. I guess the car is not in a good state then.. 
15:53 < Mike1> fake: yeah i did i spent a few hours at the hospital 
15:53 < fake> Mike1 i don't know about CR law, but if you don't visit a doctor after an accident in Germany your insurance won't pay any resulting hamrs
15:53 < Mike1> [anders]: nope i think i will have to deal with public transportation for a while
15:54 < fake> Mike1 ah, ok
15:54 < Mike1> fake: its not like that here but anyways i _had_ to go to the doctor
15:54 < [anders]> Mike1: you better get some good rest and get well...
15:54 < fake> ackk
15:55 < WKaibigan> Mike1: How are your nerves? I bet you were really shook up when it happened. 
15:55 * rxr away - cu you this night - or tomorrow morning
15:55 < Mike1> [anders]: yeah i will, just had to come to the office to get some stuff done then i go back home get my ass some nice sleep
15:55 < Mike1> n8 rxr
15:55 < rxr> huebi: You'll get a patch for the linux* packages for 1.5 tomorrow
15:56 < Mike1> WKaibigan: hell yeah but i am feeling a lot better now
15:56 < rxr> Mike1: I hope you are ok! ;-)!
15:56 < Mike1> rxr: thanks
15:56 < WKaibigan> That is good and it is a good that you didn't suffer any major injury.
15:56 * fake thanks Mathilda that Mike1 is okay
15:57 < Mike1> WKaibigan: yup 
15:57 < fake> by sacrificing tabacco. 
15:57 < Mike1> Mathilda thanks :)
15:57 < Mike1> fake: very nice of you
16:03 < Mike1> [anders]: i lost the link to your source tree can i have it again please
16:03 < Mike1> ?
16:04 < [anders]> Mike1: one sec..
16:04 < Mike1> :)
16:04 < [anders]> http://trudheim.org/rock-src/rock-src-1.5.17-private.020716_1009.tar.bz2
16:06 < Mike1> danke
16:06 < [anders]> Mike1: you got it alright? :)
16:07 < Mike1>  453,496      144.92K/s
16:08 < Mike1> ok got it
16:08 < Mike1> thanks [anders]
16:13 < Mike1> [anders]: how did you go with stage E?
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16:31 < Mike1> re [anders]
16:32 < huebi> rxr: "loose the job because of our kernel package" - No, but because of the unexpected downtime (again because something else fscked up again.) That is the reason. A production system must be reliable, fail save and proven to work under all cirumstences.
16:33 < huebi> moin Mike1 ;-)
16:33 < Mike1> hello huebi!
16:33 < Mike1> how are you today?
16:34 < huebi> fine, with a little bit stress. But I read you're not so well?
16:35 < Mike1> huebi: yeah well i'll be ok :)
16:35 < huebi> That's good. ;-)
16:35 < Mike1> it only hurts when i breath, talk, walk, laught or type
16:36 < fake> *ugh*
16:37 < Mike1> but its not really a big deal, i will rest today and tomorrow i will be fine
16:38 < huebi> Mike1: That sounds as if you really need a breake.
16:38 < [anders]> Mike1: uhm, I got as far as 100 extentions didn't build.. fixed one, 99 to go..
16:39 < huebi> re [anders] ;-)
16:40 < [anders]> moin all :)
16:41 < Mike1> [anders]: well 1 is better than nothing :)
16:41 < huebi> The relability of 1.5.12-DEV in last december was good but needed very much hand work in the full production environment.
16:41 < Mike1> huebi: yeah and trust me i will get a brake in a bit
16:42 < huebi> Mike1: I believe so. ;-)
16:43 < [anders]> Mike1: just daunting to fix when you have something like abiword to try and fix which pulls down 7-8 tar-files and breaks somewhere in the middle of it all due to something not being quite right.. And even more irritating when the only package I managed to fix of the ext's superceeds one that is in the abiword package..
16:43 < Mike1> [anders]: hehe
16:43 < huebi> All what I leaned on the production systems at my customers went back into rocklinux. Now it's fairly stable but still not as tested as needed.
16:43 < huebi> +r
16:44 < Mike1> huebi: your talking about 1.5.12?
16:44 < esden> puuuuuhhh profile written 
16:44 < Mike1> Hallo esden
16:44 < fake> re esden 
16:45 < huebi> esden: What's up with alpha?
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16:46 < huebi> esden: What's with the LC-Display to show the ROCK Linux build in?
16:46 < huebi> aehm ... re esden
16:46 < [anders]> moin esden 
16:48 < huebi> esden: huhu?
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17:04 < thalerim> moin
17:04 < huebi> hi th 
17:04 < huebi> hi thalerim 
17:04 < huebi> ;-)
17:04 < thalerim> :P meep ... need help
17:04 < fake> whazzzuuuuup?
17:05 < thalerim> okay, i patched from 2.5.25 to 2.5.26, first almost anything seems not to work, because it couldn't find an asm-include directory
17:05 < Mike1> hi thalerim
17:05 < thalerim> then I created a link from include/asm to include/asm-i363, first problem solved
17:05 < [anders]> moin thalerim 
17:06 < fake> 363? kewl arch ;)
17:06 < fake> ia36 *dg*
17:06 < thalerim> then I could use make oldconfig, but make bzImage failed, because it was missing asm-generic
17:06 < huebi> fake: internal ECC
17:06 < thalerim> then I could use make oldconfig, but make bzImage failed, because asm-generic was missing
17:07 < huebi> thalerim: make symlinks ;-)
17:07 < fake> thalerim: no idea :-/
17:07 < thalerim> it seemed the makefile didn't look up in the include-dir, only in /usr/include
17:07 < thalerim> although the makefile seems to be proper
17:08 < [anders]> thalerim: pull the full archive.. I have sometimes found that the kernel patches from one version to next does do funny things to the resulting kernel tree..
17:08 < thalerim> okay, then I created a symlink from /usr/include/asm-generic to /usr/src/linux-2.5.26/include/asm-generic
17:08 < thalerim> and the kernel compiled!
17:08 < thalerim> [anders]: I did it alredy
17:08 < thalerim> my problem is coming now:
17:08 < thalerim> the image is bootable, but no (a)getty will be invoked
17:09 < thalerim> i have never seen this problem, init stopps with the message "RC: blah blah ... now in runlevel 2"
17:09 < thalerim> that's is, nothing moves then 
17:10 < thalerim> after a while following is sent from INIT:
17:10 < thalerim> INIT: id "2" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes
17:10 < thalerim> INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel
17:10 < thalerim> and I could only push the reset button
17:11 < huebi> /dev/vc/.. is broken, I think.
17:11 < thalerim> the weird is I haven't modified anything regarding to INIT-process, and 2.5.25-htree as well as 2.4.18rc4 work
17:12 < thalerim> huebi: you mean in the kernel internal?
17:12 < esden> ok ... profile sent ...
17:12 < thalerim> maybe i should replace the vc's with console ib /etc/inittab
17:12 < thalerim> s,ib,in
17:13 < huebi> The virtual consoles are missing. Also known to a normal ROCK Linux system if you enable console=serial (in the boot param.
17:13 < huebi> re esden ;-)
17:13 < esden> huebi: display will be done after the 22. it is on my todo list
17:13 < esden> re huebi 
17:13 < thalerim> huebi: they're missing??!
17:13 < huebi> thalerim: mom
17:14 < thalerim> ok
17:15 < thalerim> fake: s,i363,i368 :P
17:15 < huebi> thalerim: they're missing if you have e.g. the virtual consoles disabled in the kernel .config.
17:15 < fake> :(
17:15 < thalerim> huebi: i used the same .config as in my old 2.5.25
17:16 < huebi> then it could be that it's broken in the new kernel.
17:17 < esden> ok ... I need a new kernel on my laptop
17:17 < huebi> esden: wait
17:17 < huebi> please
17:17 < huebi> where are you with alpha?
17:17 < esden> yes I am styll here
17:18 < esden> huebi: I have compiled through ... 
17:18 < esden> let me see what failed
17:18 < thalerim> huebi: wait a moment, I am looking through the rocklinux sources, want to show you something
17:19 < thalerim> huebi: http://www.rocklinux.de/sources/misc/sysfiles/etc/inittab (or your local iniitab)
17:19 < thalerim> # Maintenace Console on /dev/console
17:19 < thalerim> #
17:19 < thalerim> #1:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty -L -i -I '\012\015\012Maintenance Console:\012' 9600 console linux
17:20 < thalerim> should I remove the comment to start with /dev/console instead of the vc's ?
17:20 < huebi> thalerim: asking me something about kernel sources is quite senceless, believe me :-/
17:20 < huebi> no
17:20 < huebi> only if you use /dev/tts/0 as console
17:21 < thalerim> ?
17:21 < esden> <flood>
17:21 < thalerim> wait esden
17:21 < huebi> This line is for a serial console.
17:21 < esden> kk
17:21 < thalerim> oh
17:21 < esden> </flood>
17:21 < thalerim> huebi: but there must be some alternatives for /dev/vc/ ?
17:22 < huebi> dev/console is choosed while configuring the kernel.
17:22 < thalerim> eh, how is the bootparam?
17:22 < [anders]> http://www.despair.com/burnout.html
17:22 < thalerim> haven't access to a manual at moment
17:22 < huebi> IICR console=serial
17:23 < [anders]> http://www.despair.com/ignorance.html
17:23 < thalerim> wouldn't that transfer the bootmessages over the serial interface?
17:23 < [anders]> http://www.despair.com/los24x30prin.html
17:24 < [anders]> http://www.despair.com/consulting.html
17:24 < fake> [anders] : we know despair.com
17:24 < huebi> thalerim: i just reboot the sun
17:24 < huebi> wait a minute
17:24 < [anders]> fake: ok. :)
17:24 < thalerim> okay, will be patient :-)
17:26 < thalerim> i just wan to find out if the vc-drivers are broken indeed ... because if so, i will make a bugreport to the lkml
17:26 < huebi> the sun has no activ display and a serial console.
17:27 < thalerim> mh ... 
17:28 < huebi> ... waiting for the sun rise...
17:29 < huebi> plinggg
17:29 < thalerim> <huebi> thalerim: make symlinks ;-) <- couldn't, because i have to do a make oldconfig before
17:30 < esden> dumdidum
17:30 < huebi> Jul 17 17:29:32 rock sshd[129]: Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22.
17:30 < huebi> Jul 17 17:29:33 rock agetty[132]: /dev/vc/2: No such file or directory
17:31 < huebi> and now my inittab
17:31 < huebi> # Maintenace Console on /dev/console
17:31 < huebi> #
17:31 < huebi> 1:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty -L -i -I '\012\015\012Maintenance Console:\012' 9600 console linux
17:31 < huebi> # 1:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty -L -i -I '\012\015\012Maintenance Console:\012' 38400 vc/1 linux
17:31 < huebi>  2:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty -f /etc/issue.ansi 38400 vc/2 linux
17:31 < huebi> sooo...
17:32 < thalerim> sorry, can't really follow, what did you? what does this say us/me?
17:32 < huebi> Can you see all the kernel messages on screen tiil login
17:32 < thalerim> yes
17:32 < huebi> Maintenance Console:
17:32 < thalerim> no, no login appears
17:32 < huebi> Then the kernel does not use the serial console.
17:33 < thalerim> why serial?
17:33 < huebi> brrr. "noch mal"
17:33 < thalerim> i haven't tested it yet with console=serial
17:33 < huebi> There are two possiblilities for a console:
17:33 < huebi> 1. serial
17:34 < thalerim> http://rocklinux.de/sources/misc/sysfiles/etc/rc.d/rc
17:34 < thalerim> echo "RC: The system is now in runlevel $RUNLEVEL." <- that is displayed
17:34 < huebi> ok
17:34 < huebi> can you ssh to it?
17:34 < thalerim> well, after that is displayed i can type characters in, so i first thought btee does not work properly
17:35 < thalerim> eor something like that
17:35 < huebi> Jul 17 17:31:13 rock init: Id "2" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes
17:35 < thalerim> huebi: nope, not at the moment - and to set it up is would be too much effort
17:35 < thalerim> s,is,it
17:36 < thalerim> yes, that i got either
17:37 < thalerim> i do not see what you want to show me - what does console=serial do?
17:37 < huebi> mom
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17:38 < huebi> Character devices  --->
17:38 < huebi> [*]   Support for console on serial port
17:38 < thalerim> actually I am looking for a possiblity to not use vc but something (maybe these /dev/tt{s,y}/? ) instead
17:39 < huebi> then use a nullmodem cable and minicom
17:39 < thalerim> *g* that's just a standalone home pc
17:39 < huebi> then use a nullmodem cable and a modem and call sbd to dail in *eg*
17:40 < huebi> or aktivate this:
17:40 < huebi> Console drivers  --->
17:41 < huebi> [*] VGA text console
17:41 < thalerim> i did already
17:42 < huebi> Character devices  --->
17:42 < huebi> [*] Unix98 PTY support
17:42 < huebi> (256) Maximum number of Unix98 PTYs in use (0-2048)
17:42 < huebi> this too?
17:42 < thalerim> dit also
17:42 < thalerim> but i think i have 98 , but shouldn't matter
17:43 < thalerim> huebi: that's why i am speaking of this other possiblity
17:44 < huebi> jo ;-)
17:44 < huebi> ok
17:44 < huebi> mom
17:45 < huebi> console=ttyS1,9600
17:45 < huebi> that should work.
17:45 < huebi> over the serial line
17:45 < thalerim> why the hell over the serial line?
17:46 < huebi> well, a very very long time ago....
17:46 < esden> hmm .. I have to extend the scripts/Create-CD to support alpha booting install cd's
17:46 < huebi> there were nonetworks only telphone lines.
17:47 < esden> let me see if I can create one by hand
17:47 < huebi> esden: do it. Do it now, please
17:47 < thalerim> huebi: hurgs
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17:47 < thalerim> i will try it myself, i think i found a solution
17:47 < thalerim> be back later
17:48 < huebi> thalerim: Thats why on these unix boxes are these stone age serial lines.
17:48 < esden> huebi: no stress please ... I will do it ... first I have to see how it is to be done ... by hand
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17:48 < huebi> esden: Yes, keep kool. Only Mathilda is watching you ;-))
17:49 < huebi> esden: holyolli told me that he got it running IIRC
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17:50 < esden> huebi: I know he got it running but by hand and not driven by a script
17:50 < huebi> == 17:49:07 =[3]=> Building base package gnome-core [1.4.1 1.5.17].
17:50 < huebi> ah. ok
17:50 < huebi> here is the alpha in the moment...
17:52 < huebi> root@gamma:/mnt/disk/rock-linux# ll dist/var/adm/logs/*log |wc -l = 216
17:52 < huebi> root@gamma:/mnt/disk/rock-linux# ls dist/var/adm/logs/*err
17:52 < huebi> dist/var/adm/logs/3-lprng.err  dist/var/adm/logs/3-qt.err
17:53 < esden> huebi: that is ok 
17:54 < esden> I give you my list when Create-CD is ready creating the iso 
17:58 < huebi> esden: The alpha port is very good work. I like to have it in 1.6.0.
18:02 < esden> <flood>
18:02 < esden> root@natalie:/rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs# ls *err
18:02 < esden> 3-apmd.err      3-lprng.err  5-apmd.err          5-kdelibs.err     5-ruby.err
18:02 < esden> 3-gdm.err       3-qt.err     5-gdm.err           5-lprng.err       5-tetex.err
18:02 < esden> 3-iproute2.err  3-tetex.err  5-gnome-python.err  5-qt.err
18:02 < esden> 3-kdelibs.err   4-ruby.err   5-iproute2.err      5-rock-debug.err
18:02 < esden> root@natalie:/rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs# ll *log | wc -l
18:02 < esden>     586
18:02 < esden> root@natalie:/rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs#
18:02 < esden> </flood>
18:02 < esden> huebi: thank you for motivating me :-) ... I need it from time to time ;-)
18:03 < esden> rock-debug is failing because I have pressed ctrl-c and then disabled this packet
18:03 < esden> it is a little bug that should be fixed
18:05 < esden> huebi: but a lot of work has been done by holiolli ... and clifford ... I have not done much :-( ... but even though ... it is a nice experiance I must say ;-)
18:07 < huebi> ripclaw onphone
18:09 < huebi> re
18:11 < esden> re huebi 
18:18 * Mike1 back
18:18 < Mike1> re
18:18 < huebi> re Mike1 
18:19 < Mike1> i think i will stay here a while i sleep a bit but now i am better
18:19 < esden> re Mike1 
18:23 * Mike1 searching for Deutsch courses in CR
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18:24 < esden> urgh !!! the mkisofs line is f***** long !
18:25 < huebi> esden: Bug Joerg "buggyboy" Schilling...
18:26 < esden> yes ... >_<
18:26 * -> esden be back after reboot
18:33 < esden> re hi
18:33 < esden> f***** kernel >_<
18:35 < esden> updating a kernel without braking alsa and pcmcia-cs is really difficult or I am to stupid
18:36 < esden> we should include the sources af this two packets on the binary cd as packets ... the same way we do it with the kernel sources
18:37 < huebi> 54433247 xfree86_4.1.0.orig.tar.gz <- original Debian sources. And the patches: 1567978 xfree86_4.1.0-17.diff.gz - All for sparc.
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19:05 < huebi> Yes. I found another 256 MB ECC reg. SDRAM for the Alpha.
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19:08 < tsa> hi
19:08 < fake> hi tsa
19:08 < esden> hi tsa 
19:08 < huebi> hi tsa 
19:09 < tsa> hi fake
19:09 < tsa> hi esden
19:09 < tsa> hi huebi
19:09 < fake> (in order of appearance)
19:09 < tsa> hehe
19:11 < huebi> esden: The alpha also handles mixed reg. and non-reg. RAM well.
19:12 < Mike1> Hi tsa
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19:17 < tsa> hi Mike1
19:21 < esden> hmm ... huebi what does in mean ... (excuse my stupid question)
19:29 < fake> esden: he just told you that you are a looser because he has more RAMpower than you.
19:32 < fake> user space drivers suck
19:33 < huebi> re 
19:34 < esden> fake: yes ... but I know that I am a looser ... so he had not to tell me that
19:35 < fake> esden: ask him, for he is our prophet.
19:35 < esden> huebi: why are you telling me that I am a looser ... I know it already
19:36 < esden> fake: yes ... doing it if you see it
19:36 < fake> (I bet Mathilda told him to *dg*)
19:36 < fake> esden: que? "doing it if you see it" breaks my namespace for "ot"
19:36 < esden> (mathilda is to powerfull ... she is having too much influence ... I have to do something about it)
19:36 < fake> itr
19:37 < fake> it, even
19:38 < huebi> re again.
19:39 < Mike1> re huebi
19:39 * Mike1 wonders if Mathilda is watching us right now
19:39 < fake> of course!
19:40 < Mike1> Mathilda give us a sign of ur power!!
19:40 < fake> mathilda even has a role in the bible, when she still was a small cow (das goldene kalb)
19:40 < huebi> esden: You are not a looser and I don't tell you to be one.
19:41 < esden> huebi: hmm ... I am not sure if you are not manipulated right now to say it like this ...
19:41 < huebi>  _________________________
19:41 < huebi> < Fake, what do you want? >
19:41 < huebi>  -------------------------
19:41 < huebi>         \   ^__^
19:41 < huebi>          \  (oo)\_______
19:41 < huebi>             (__)\       )\/\
19:41 < huebi>                 ||----w |
19:41 < huebi>                 ||     ||
19:41 < huebi>  
19:42 < fake> a cluster of origins!
19:42 < Mike1> Oh !!
19:42 < huebi>  __________________________
19:42 < huebi> < And you, Mike and Esden? >
19:42 < huebi>  --------------------------
19:42 < huebi>         \   ^__^
19:42 < huebi>          \  (oo)\_______
19:42 < huebi>             (__)\       )\/\
19:42 < huebi>                 ||----w |
19:42 < huebi>                 ||     ||
19:42 < Mike1> Mathilda i want an Ultra 5 
19:42 < huebi> (She wants answers...)
19:44 < fake> first i want a cluster of origins and then i want to die, for my life has no more targets for me to achieve.
19:44 < esden> mathilda the most mighty ... I would like that you in your all knowing and all mighty possibilitys ... make something sa that my alpha aka. natalie gets faster
19:44 < Mike1> All mighty Mathilda help me get an Ultra 5 so i can develop for sparc port
19:45 < huebi>  _______________________________________
19:45 < huebi> OK. Find the holy Gral and you'll get \
19:45 < huebi> \ what you want.                        /
19:45 < huebi>  ---------------------------------------
19:45 < huebi>         \   ^__^
19:45 < huebi>          \  (oo)\_______
19:45 < huebi>             (__)\       )\/\
19:45 < huebi>                 ||----w |
19:45 < huebi>                 ||     ||
19:45 < huebi>  
19:45 * fake has it
19:46 < huebi> Very, very wise what she says...
19:47 < fake> it's that old, nasty Mug of wood with a tux carved into it
19:47 * fake hands it over to huebi
19:47 < huebi> esden: reg. = registered memory = memory with buffered (amplifierer chips in the line) address lines
19:48 < huebi> It swims! It swims in the dish washer!
19:48 < fake> so is it genuine? ;)
19:49 < huebi> I don't know. I never saw the holy Gral.
19:49 < esden> huebi: thanks for explination
19:49 < fake> huebi: good thing she didn't ask for the holy grail. would be a pain in the ass to search it.
19:49 < fake> huebi: Mathilda will know, i'm sure.
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20:05 < owl> hi
20:05 < Mike1> lo owl
20:06 < owl> hi Mike1
20:10 < tsa> hi owl
20:11 < owl> moin tsa
20:18 < huebi> fake: I was talking about this thing the british knights were searching for. With a holy hand grenade. IIRC
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20:21 < huebi> re [anders] 
20:21 < [anders]> uff..
20:21 < [anders]> moin huebi 
20:21 < huebi> [anders]: how are you?
20:21 < esden> huebi: searching for that is aso not really easy
20:22 < [anders]> something happened earlier and my box seemed to drop off the net..
20:22 < [anders]> huebi: not to bad... :)
20:22 < Mike1> [anders]: re
20:22 < [anders]> moin Mike1 
20:22 < [anders]> Mike1: I thought you were supposed to rest! :)
20:23 < Mike1> [anders]: i already did but its hard to stay away from here :)
20:23 < [anders]> Mike1: *g* I know what you mean.. It is terribly addictive, isn't it.. :)
20:24 < huebi> [anders]: It's only addictive if you can smoke it...
20:24 < esden> re [anders] 
20:24 < Mike1> lol
20:24 < huebi>  ____________________
20:24 < huebi> < Give me more weed. >
20:24 < huebi>  --------------------
20:24 < huebi>         \   ^__^
20:24 < huebi>          \  (oo)\_______
20:24 < huebi>             (__)\       )\/\
20:24 < huebi>                 ||----w |
20:25 < huebi>                 ||     ||
20:25 < huebi>  
20:25 < [anders]> moin esden 
20:25 < [anders]> huebi: you obviously never tried scandinavian wet snuff.. (snus)
20:25 < [anders]> ;-)
20:26 < esden> holy mathilda: here is all I have *give_mathilda_5gramm*
20:27 < Mike1> Mathilda enjoy it
20:28 < huebi>  ______________
20:28 < huebi> < Tahnks Esden >
20:28 < huebi>  --------------
20:28 < huebi>         \   ^__^
20:28 < huebi>          \  (oO)\_______
20:28 < huebi>             (__)\       )\/\
20:28 < huebi>                 ||----w |
20:28 < huebi>                 ||     ||
20:28 < huebi>  
20:28 < Mike1> Mathilda are you stoned?
20:28 < Mike1> or are you ROCKed?
20:28 < huebi> o_O She starts looking like the ROCK Linux issue Bird...
20:29 < huebi> I think she's ROCKed.
20:29 < [anders]> >.<
20:33 < huebi>  ___________
20:33 < huebi> ( good weed )
20:33 < huebi>  -----------
20:33 < huebi>         o   ^__^
20:33 < huebi>          o  (O-)\_______
20:33 < huebi>             (__)\       )\/\
20:33 < huebi>                 ||----w |
20:33 < huebi>                 ||     ||
20:33 < Mike1> Mathilda show us your eyes
20:33 < Mike1> we wanna see how ROCKed you are
20:35 < tsa> hehe
20:35 < SMP> is this going to become worse?
20:36 < Mike1> SMP: i dunno why?
20:36 < Mike1> BTW hi SMP
20:36 < tsa> hi SMP
20:36 < [anders]> moin SMP 
20:37 < esden> hi SMP 
20:37 < huebi> hi SMP 
20:37 < esden> SMP: ask the allmighty mathilda ...
20:37 < esden> ;-)
20:37 < huebi> worse would be that:
20:37 < huebi> for i in `echo /opt/cowsay/share/cows/*`; do cowsay -f $i $i; done
20:37 < huebi> All of them ;-)
20:38 < SMP> UUOe
20:39 < tsa> uuoe?
20:39 < SMP> Useless Use Of echo
20:39 < tsa> ah.
20:39 < huebi> SMP: ACK
20:40 < esden> hmm ... I love dict ;-)
20:40 < huebi> for i in /opt/cowsay/share/cows/* ; do cowsay -f $i $i; done |less
20:43 < huebi> Is here a studend living next to me here arround? I just got the offer of a All-in-one-full-support-job in a small office arround here. 10 PC users have to be maintained. Sometimes also their PCs but seldom.
20:44 * owl leaves you now.
20:44 < [anders]> ~~~ owl
20:44 < Mike1> bye owl
20:44 < huebi> cu owl 
20:44 < owl> gn8. cu tomorrow.
20:44 < tsa> cu owl
20:44 -!- owl [mail-spam@B5b61.pppool.de] has quit ("ill. need sleep.")
20:45 < SMP> huebi: how do you maintain a PC user? ;-O
20:45 < [anders]> SMP: food, water and weed.. ;-)
20:48 * SMP thinks PC users are on crack
20:50 < huebi> SMP: Very simple. When they call you just visit them in the next 24h. Then ask what their problem is and let them explain. Let them tell you the whole story. Now it's time to ask what they want and let them show it. Then they fix it on their own in 9 of 10 times.
20:50 < [anders]> SMP: if I could get an RS/6000 the same speed as my Athlon, for the same price, what do you think I'd pick? :)
20:51 < huebi> [anders]: The Origin!
20:51 < [anders]> RS6k is v. nice boxes... as long as you get the PCI variants..
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20:52 < fake> Origin?
20:52 < fake> *lechz*
21:02 < tsa> gr...
21:03 < tsa> gnome2 needs 2000 separate packages to be compiled.
21:03 < tsa> arghs.
21:03 < tsa> ..or even more.
21:03 < Mike1> tsa: WTF?
21:04 < fake> heeehehehee
21:05 < tsa> Mike1: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.0/installation.html
21:05 < huebi> tsa: and why not kde?
21:06 < tsa> huebi: i don't like kde.
21:06 < Mike1> huebi: why KDE?
21:07 < huebi> tsa: That's a reason I can understand.
21:07 < tsa> hehe
21:08 < huebi> Mike1: compiles in a fewh and has not so many undocumented dependencies as Gnome2. And I like it.
21:08 * Mike1 likes console
21:08 < Mike1> :)
21:08 < Mike1> or gnome or window maker
21:09 < huebi> Mike1: KDE has a Clusterconsole!
21:09 < huebi> One input on multiple consoles
21:09 < Mike1> i see
21:10 * Mike1 on getting a cup of coffee brb
21:14 < esden> drinking _COLD_ coffee
21:14 < esden> yummy
21:14 < [anders]> surely gnome2 doesn't require that many packages...
21:15 < [anders]> there might be that many packages in total, but the pre-reqs for gnome2 should not be that big..
21:15 -!- thalerim [~tobrit@pD9E49B15.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:15 < thalerim> re
21:15 < [anders]> moin thalerim 
21:16 < esden> re thalerim 
21:16 * [anders] getting a cup of kaffe as well..
21:18 < tsa> NARF.
21:18 < tsa> rxr: all your cvs stuff has cksum errors.
21:24 < huebi> for what is qt3 needed in base if not for KDE?
21:26 -!- ge0rg is now known as Ge0rG
21:26 < thalerim> huebi: what i discovered: Single-user works as well as agetty ... console  --  i made a new kernel (even configuration I did again), but it caused kernelpanic ... and after that i was really pissed off ... just fyi
21:26 < [anders]> huebi: nothing else IIRC... in ext there is licq, and possibly other things..
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21:29 < huebi> thalerim: Thank you.
21:30 < fake> Haaaahahahaaaa
21:30 < fake> MORONS
21:30 -!- Mon0 [Altec12306@alb-24-29-48-193.nycap.rr.com] has joined #rocklinux
21:30 < fake> Idiots!
21:30 < thalerim> *???*
21:30 < fake> I told them beforehand: "I am not responsible for an IIS in the DMZ!"
21:31 < fake> thalerim: the IIS my boss wanted in the DMZ for M$ Projekt got compromies
21:31 < Mon0> Hey guys. I have a little problem with booting Slack 8. Some of my friends told me to ask you guys.
21:31 < huebi> [anders]: It's now needed for KDE. But the failing packages do not look like having a dependency on qt. Needs some more investigation.
21:31 < fake> compromised
21:31 < fake> After 1 week of use
21:32 < huebi> fake: Who ever wants to be responsible for M$-*$%(&^@! ?
21:32 < fake> SYNing every host in the 66.0.0.0 range 
21:32 < fake> huebi: my boss
21:32 < fake> what do i do with such a machine?
21:32 < huebi> fake: except idiots?
21:33 < fake> huebi: NULL
21:33 < [anders]> Mon0: what is the problems?
21:33 < huebi> ACK
21:33 < thalerim> Mon0: just ask ... but we don't promise anything
21:33 < fake> i removed the power cable for now
21:33 < [anders]> huebi: what packages was it that was failing?
21:33 < Mon0> [anders], well, after I reboot from the install, I get dropped into a grub shell.
21:33 < Mon0> I told install to use LILO as the boot manager.
21:33 < fake> Windoze deserves no power. it deserves d34th.
21:33 < huebi> 18:02 < esden> root@natalie:/rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs# ls *err
21:33 < huebi> 18:02 < esden> 3-apmd.err      3-lprng.err  5-apmd.err          5-kdelibs.err     5-ruby.err
21:33 < huebi> 18:02 < esden> 3-gdm.err       3-qt.err     5-gdm.err           5-lprng.err       5-tetex.err
21:34 < huebi> 18:02 < esden> 3-iproute2.err  3-tetex.err  5-gnome-python.err  5-qt.err
21:34 < huebi> 18:02 < esden> 3-kdelibs.err   4-ruby.err   5-iproute2.err      5-rock-debug.err
21:34 < [anders]> Mon0: hmm.. not sure, but grub is better to use anyway.. :)
21:34 < huebi> Mon0: Just configure /etc/lilo.conf and run lilo
21:34 < Mon0> Well, I get dropped into the shell, and I can't boot Linux.
21:34 < Mon0> huebi, I would, but I can't get that far. This shell is all I get.
21:35 < huebi> boot from cd and chroot to your system.
21:35 < thalerim> ack
21:35 < Mon0> Then?
21:35 < huebi> configure /etc/lilo.conf and run lilo
21:35 < thalerim> vi /etc/lilo.conf ; lilo
21:36 < huebi> Mon0: how much experience do you have?
21:36 < huebi> with Linux at all.
21:36 < thalerim> [anders]: mabye you can say him howto boot with grup/from this prompt - haven't used grub so far
21:36 < Mon0> huebi, not a lot, but I got it up on a friends system last night faster then a Mandrake install.
21:36 < [anders]> thalerim: hmm, I can have a look in my menu.lst..
21:37 < [anders]> kernel (hd0,0)/vmlinuz-2.4.18-k7 root=/dev/hda6 pci=bios devfs=mount
21:37 < [anders]> initrd (hd0,0)/initrd.img-2.4.18-k7
21:37 < [anders]> in grub, (hd0,0) == /dev/hda1..
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21:38 < Mike1> Hi rxr
21:38 < [anders]> and grub knows ext2, reiserfs etc, and it does tab-completion..
21:38 < tsa> re rxr.
21:38 < [anders]> moin rxr
21:39 < [anders]> so you shouls be able to locate the kernel you want to boot..
21:39 < esden> huebi: quoting me ?
21:40 < esden> huebi: needing something?
21:40 < [anders]> Mon0: how did you partition your harddisk?
21:40 < [anders]> esden: talking about the failed packages.. :)
21:40 < Mon0> [anders]: I made a / partition and a swap.
21:40 * fake is designing a "We have to stay out" - Sign for the server room door.
21:40 < huebi> esden: [anders] wanted to know what fails on alpha. But nothing qt3 related If I see it right?
21:41 < fake> With a few colorful windows on it
21:41 < thalerim> uhm ... this box should never be used for server related things, should it?
21:41 < [anders]> Mon0: / is /dev/hda1 and swap is /dev/hda2 ?
21:41 < esden> huebi: nope ... that is not the newest tree ... I need over three days for a full compile ... that brakes a lot ... >_<
21:41 < Mon0> Ummm.
21:42 < fake> 80.11.60.197
21:42 < fake> go kill him
21:42 < Mon0> [anders]: How can I go about finding that out? Like I said, not much exp.
21:42 < Mike1> fake: ??
21:42 < huebi> fake: Mooooo! 80.11.60.197 Mooooo! 
21:42 < thalerim> Mike1: fake got crazy ... eh yes
21:42 < [anders]> Mon0: ok, try this at the grub> prompt.. 'kernel (hd0,0)/' and then hit tab...
21:43 < fake> err stop
21:43 < esden> thalerim: fake was tainted by windows ;-)
21:43 < huebi> fake: too late...
21:43 < fake> 80.60.11.197
21:43 < fake> nl
21:43 < Mon0> [anders]: I booted from CD and now I'm in slack. I don't want to have to do this everytime though.
21:43 < huebi> fake: *kidding*
21:43 < fake> ip503c0bc5.speed.planet.nl
21:43 < thalerim> heh huebi
21:43 < fake> ^---- windows 2000 lamer
21:44 < fake> no >_<
21:44 < fake> not thalerim
21:44 < huebi> *LOOOOOL*
21:44 < thalerim> huebi: very nice your behaviour: Making someone fall in coma and then, when it's too late, you say you're just kidding :-)
21:44 < thalerim> fake!!!
21:44 < [anders]> Mon0: ok, in /boot/grub make a file menu.lst, put in it:
21:44 < Mon0> [anders]: My root drive is /dev/hda1.....
21:44 < huebi> hey thalerim, good old lamer. Did you enable the good old "Kernel Lamer Mode
21:44 < thalerim> I use Win98!!!
21:45 < huebi> '?
21:45 < fake> thalerim: err..... i take it back.
21:45 < [anders]> default 0
21:45 < Mike1> thalerim: what is Win98
21:45 < Mike1> ?
21:45 < [anders]> timeout 10
21:45 < Mon0> [anders]: There is no /boot/grub
21:45 < thalerim> somewhat commercial crap
21:45 < huebi> Mike1: Spyware from the USA.
21:45 < [anders]> Mon0: no? is there a /grub ?
21:45 < Mon0> No.
21:46 < Mon0> I don't use grub as a loader.
21:46 * -> esden searching for win exploits ... to have them ready when fake wants to kill a windows box
21:46 < Mon0> I just get dropped into a shell.
21:46 < Mike1> huebi: i thought it was some virus or something like that
21:46 < thalerim> huebi: ACK ... the most recent story about the MS Media Player says everything about this topic
21:46 < esden> fake: install bo on the box ;-)
21:46 < thalerim> Mon0: ???
21:47 < thalerim> Mon0: are you at the linux shell ?
21:47 < esden> that is a remote exploit ... I forced to do it fake  ;-)
21:47 < thalerim> or grub as you said above
21:47 < Mon0> thalerim, no, it is a grub shell. I can't issue any Linux commands.
21:47 < Mon0> GRUB shell.
21:47 < huebi> Mike1: worse. Very more worse. Evil stuff. You need holy water to clean your PC after the use of ... the EVIL himself. *g*
21:47 < [anders]> Mon0: hmmm.. how have you booted your box now?
21:48 < Mon0> [anders]: From CD, issued linux root=/dev/hda1 ro
21:48 < Mike1> huebi: yeah i have heard thanks good i am safe from it
21:48 < esden> ahh sting *chill*
21:48 < [anders]> ok. so you have a bash prompt?
21:48 < Mike1> s/good/god
21:48 < Mon0> Yes, I do now.
21:48 < Mon0> I'm logged in as root.
21:48 < [anders]> ok.. and you don't want grub, you want lilo ?
21:48 < Mon0> Yes.
21:49 < Mon0> I just want to be able to boot from my hard drive, and not get dropped into that damn shell!
21:49 < thalerim> I am afraid it seems nobody except me has problems with 2.5.26
21:49 < [anders]> create /etc/lilo.conf ...
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21:49 < Mike1> thalerim: having fun?
21:49 < Mike1> re WKaibigan
21:49 < [anders]> as in 'vi /etc/lilo.conf'
21:49 < thalerim> Mike1: absolutely not, long story
21:49 < thalerim> moin WKaibigan
21:49 < Mike1> [anders]: what did ever happen with emacs?
21:49 < [anders]> uhm, anyone that can paste in a default lilo.conf ?
21:49 < Mon0> [anders] It is there.
21:50 < Mon0> It exists.
21:50 < [anders]> Mike1: it works and it ROCKs.. :)
21:50 < WKaibigan> Hi again Mike1
21:50 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@pD9590AC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:50 < Mike1> hi chrisime
21:50 < [anders]> Mon0: so lilo.conf is there and has stuff in it?
21:50 < tsa> hi chrisime
21:50 < chrisime> jo
21:50 < huebi> mom I edit one...
21:50 < Mike1> Mon0: you user slack 8.0??
21:51 < Mon0> Mike1: Yes. Fresh install.
21:51 < huebi> [anders]: with old devices?
21:51 < [anders]> Mon0: you should be able to just do '/sbin/lilo' now and get it working..
21:51 < WKaibigan> Hi thalerim
21:51 < [anders]> huebi: probably.. :) slack doesn't use devfs I think..
21:52 < Mike1> Mon0: there is a line in /etc/lilo.conf that says: boot = /dev/hda1
21:52 < thalerim> Mike1: huebi said the VCs are maybe broken in this version, but on lkml nothing have been said up to now ... very odd
21:52 < Mon0> [anders]: It says Added Linux *
21:52 < Mike1> or 2 depending where you have ur root partition
21:52 < Mon0> I rebooted and.....
21:52 < huebi> lilo...
21:52 < huebi> boot=/dev/hda
21:52 < huebi> delay=40
21:52 < huebi> lba32
21:52 < huebi> image=/boot/vmlinuz
21:52 < Mon0> Mike1, yes, it does.
21:52 < huebi>         label=linux
21:52 < huebi>         append="root=/dev/hda1"
21:52 < huebi>         read-only
21:52 < Mike1> Mon0: change it for  boot=/dev/hda
21:53 < [anders]> huebi: cheers.. :)
21:53 < Mon0> Mike1, my root is on hda1 though....
21:53 -!- simon-- [~simon@p50875A69.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:53 < Mon0> I'll try it if this doesn't work though,.
21:53 < Mike1> Mon0: ok just change boot=/dev/hda1 to boot=/dev/hda
21:54 < Mon0> One sec.
21:55 < Mike1> thalerim: patched from 2.5.25 or fresh 2.5.26 compile?
21:55 < Mike1> Mon0: dont forget to run 'lilo' everytime you edit /etc/lilo.conf
21:55 < thalerim> Mikel: first i patched, as it didn't work, i tried the whole tarball
21:56 < Mike1> thalerim: and neither it worked?
21:56 < Mon0> Mike1, just added it, rebooting now.
21:56 < thalerim> unfortunately not :-(
21:56 < Mike1> Mon0: ok good luck
21:57 < Mon0> Mike1, YOU ARE A GOD!
21:57 < Mike1> thalerim: mmm... perhaps you could get more help in #kernelnewbies
21:57 < Mon0> THANK YOU SO MUCH!
21:57 < Mike1> Mon0: no Mathilda is the only God here
21:57 < Mike1> but you are welcome, glad we coyuld help you 
21:58 < Mon0> Thank you all so much!
21:58 < Mon0> I'm sure I'll be in here a lot TRYING to help with shit, but I don't know how much I will....
21:58 < Mon0> =\
21:59 < thalerim> Mike1: eh well ... will try it later think for the most it's too early
21:59 < Mike1> Mon0: i am sure you will find a way to help :)
21:59 < Mike1> thalerim: ok, i wish i could help you more but honestly i am still on 2.4.18
22:00 < thalerim> with 2.5.24 as well as 2.5.25 i had absolutely no problem ... but it doesn't matter that much so...
22:01 < Mon0> Ok, now with X, I'm getting a no screen error. I'm doing xf86cfg -textmode to mess with the the config...
22:02 < Mike1> Mon0: try 'xf86cfg'
22:02 < Mon0> Yeah, I use the -textmode flag though. Easier to work with.
22:02 < Mike1> or 'xf86config'
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22:04 < Mon0> I keep getting 'no screens found.' What does this mean?
22:05 < huebi> Mon0: Xfree86 -configure
22:05 < huebi> as root
22:05 < Mike1> Mon0: what window manager are you using? Window Maker?
22:05 < huebi> Lokk on the screen!
22:06 < huebi> This is my usual way to get something up in X
22:06 -!- simon- [~simon@pD951EB8C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
22:06 < Mon0> Got it.
22:06 -!- simon-- is now known as simon-
22:06 < Mon0> Thanks huebi.
22:07 < huebi> Mon0: pleasure
22:07 < thalerim> Mon0: huebi is da masta of all human being
22:07 < thalerim> fyi
22:07 < Mon0> I agree.
22:07 * Mon0 chuckles.
22:07 < Mike1> thalerim: and the closest human to Mathilda
22:07 < thalerim> *g*
22:08 < thalerim> huebi: do your job, show Mon0 Mathilda
22:08 < huebi> thalerim: Hai
22:08 < Mike1> All mighty Mathilda honor us with ur presence here
22:09 < thalerim> huebi: wo? :P
22:09 < huebi> _______________________________________
22:09 < huebi> < Hello Mon0. Welcome to the real life. >
22:09 < huebi>  ---------------------------------------
22:09 < huebi>         \   ^__^
22:09 < huebi>          \  (oo)\_______
22:09 < huebi>             (__)\       )\/\
22:09 < huebi>                 ||----w |
22:09 < huebi>                 ||     ||
22:09 < huebi> r 
22:09 < thalerim> hrhr, moin Mathilda
22:10 < thalerim> hey guys where are you remaining?
22:10 < Mon0> COWSAY OWNS ME!
22:11 < huebi> Mon0: http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/files/cowsay_3.03.orig.tar.gz <- instant Mathilda ;-)
22:11 < thalerim> Mon0: ow, for this information you could be shot!
22:11 < huebi> at least...
22:11 < Mon0> Why is that?
22:11 < tsa> Uh.
22:12 < tsa> echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln256%Pln256/snlbx]sb3135071790101768542287578439snlbxq' | \dc
22:12 < thalerim> ??
22:12 < thalerim> lol ... i have seen this before
22:12 < thalerim> or something like this
22:13 < huebi> Mathilda is magic:
22:13 < huebi> root@zeus:~# cowsay `echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln256%Pln256/snlbx]sb3135071790101768542287578439snlbxq' | \dc`
22:13 < huebi>  _____________
22:13 < huebi> < GET A LIFE! >
22:13 < huebi>  -------------
22:13 < huebi>         \   ^__^
22:13 < huebi>          \  (oo)\_______
22:13 < huebi>             (__)\       )\/\
22:13 < huebi>                 ||----w |
22:13 < huebi>                 ||     ||
22:14 < tomik> :)
22:14 < huebi> hello tomik ;-)
22:14 < tomik> hell o huebi :) 
22:15 < tsa> http://www.elgg-net.ch/heule-web/moers/drugs/drogen.htm <- german only, but funny.
22:15 < Mon0> Ok, why the fuck can't I tar -zxvf the fluxbox package?
22:16 < thalerim> xzvf
22:16 < WKaibigan> Does it end in tgz or gz Mon0?
22:16 < Mon0> It is a tar.gz
22:16 < Mon0> .
22:17 < Mon0> One sec.
22:17 < thalerim> <thalerim> xzvf
22:19 < huebi> http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/files/Koksen.mpeg <- same theme. In English and espanol
22:20 < esden> re
22:20 < Mike1> re esden
22:20 < thalerim> wb esden
22:20 < huebi> re esden 
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22:21 < thalerim> wb mon0
22:21 < mon0> Ok, now I'm on my Slack box.
22:21 < mon0> Thanks thalerim.
22:21 < thalerim> :-)
22:21 < thalerim> but keep ROCK Linux as a very good choice in your mind ;-)
22:22 -!- mon0 [mono@alb-24-29-49-171.nycap.rr.com] has quit (Remote closed the connection)
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22:22 < mono> Wrong button...
22:22 < mono> =\
22:22 -!- mono is now known as mon0
22:22 < Mike1> mon0: maybe you can 'gzip -cd package.tar.gz | tar xvf -'
22:23 < thalerim> Mike1: it did work already
22:23 < Mike1> thalerim: oh hehe
22:24 < mon0> root@calnux:~# gzip -cd fluxbox-0.1.10.tar.gz
22:24 < mon0> gzip: fluxbox-0.1.10.tar.gz: not in gzip format
22:24 < mon0> root@calnux:~# tar xzvf fluxbox-0.1.10.tar.gz
22:24 < mon0> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
22:24 < mon0> tar: Child returned status 1
22:24 < mon0> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
22:24 < mon0> See?
22:24 < mon0> (Sorry for flood.)
22:24 < Mike1> mmm
22:24 < huebi> mon0: try bzip2 -cdpackage.tar.gz | tar xvf -
22:24 < huebi> mon0: try 'bzip2 -cd package.tar.gz | tar xvf -'
22:25 < mon0> root@calnux:~# bzip2 -cd fluxbox-0.1.10.tar.gz | tar xzvf fluxbox-0.1.10.tar.gz
22:25 < mon0> bzip2: fluxbox-0.1.10.tar.gz is not a bzip2 file.
22:25 < mon0> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
22:25 < mon0> tar: Child returned status 1
22:25 < mon0> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
22:25 < thalerim> Mike1: sorry for the wrong information, thought it worked, because he did thank me
22:25 < huebi> aaarghh.
22:25 < thalerim> mon0: use `file'
22:25 < Mike1> thalerim: itz ok
22:26 < mon0> thalerim: That do you mean?
22:26 < thalerim> mon0: file fluxbox*
22:26 < mon0> fluxbox-0.1.10.tar.gz: tar archive
22:26 < thalerim> tar xvf fluxbox-*
22:27 < mon0> There we go.
22:27 < Mike1> :)
22:27 < mon0> And in doing so, I started GNOME....
22:27 < mon0> =\
22:27 * Mike1 is away: to lunch
22:27 < mon0> Guess I hit CRT + G or something..
22:27 < thalerim> Mike1: Mahlzeit
22:27 < esden> Mike1: bon appetit
22:27 < Mike1> danke
22:27 < thalerim> *g*
22:29 < fake> *agrh*
22:29 < fake> now the i had to run up again because of one lousy switch
22:29 < mon0> YAY! Fluxbox is comiling!
22:29 < mon0> *Compiling
22:30 < thalerim> mon0: in the last version I had to fix a lot of things
22:30 < thalerim> eh but do not remember exactly :-/
22:31 < mon0> I was running 1.10 last night on Red Hat
22:31 < mon0> .
22:31 < mon0> Worked fine.
22:31 < thalerim> okay then
22:31 < [anders]> gn8 everybody.... :)
22:31 < mon0> Good night [anders].
22:31 < thalerim> gn8 [anders]
22:31 < mon0> Nice meeting you.
22:32 < rxr> re
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22:33 < thalerim> wb
22:38 < tsa> aah.
22:38 < tsa> ez-ipupdate up and running.
22:38 < huebi> tsa: nice.
22:38 < huebi> IP?
22:38 < tsa> huebi: setup was very easy, thanks for the recommendation.
22:39 < fake> np
22:39 < tsa> i've tried ddclient before - sucks.
22:39 < huebi> tsa: you're very welcome.
22:39 < tsa> ;)
22:39 < tsa> <- azathoth.dyndns.org
22:39 < huebi> tsa: I've been searching for a client for the old sun. I had to be writen in C to perfom enough
22:39 < tsa> no interesting services for other users...but at least i know how to ssh home from work now..
22:40 < huebi> tsa: port 22 is open?
22:40 < tsa> ssh? sure.
22:40 < huebi> at work? often it's blocked in the Proxy.
22:41 < tsa> huebi: i am root.
22:41 < huebi> should I *bow* now?
22:41 < tsa> ssh outgoing is no problem..
22:41 < tsa> hahahaha
22:41 < huebi> lol
22:42 < tsa> ssh incoming is restricted to some ip addresses, sure..
22:42 < huebi> <- sacrifying a SUN disk. Will now become the disk of a ROCK Linux Router
22:42 < thalerim> fake: being available?
22:42 -!- Mon0 [mono@alb-24-29-49-171.nycap.rr.com] has joined #rocklinux
22:42 < fake> hm?
22:43 < thalerim> fake: certainly you do know of Craddle of Filth, don't you?
22:43 < fake> ai!
22:43 < thalerim> does this mean yes?
22:43 < tsa> hehe
22:44 < huebi> thalerim: Of course. old friesisch slang.
22:46 < thalerim> sorry, was away
22:47 < thalerim> that is good music ... in comparison with this most of the songs played yesterday on the stream were techno like, weren't they?
22:48 < fake> i don't like Cradle that much
22:48 < Mon0> Why is it in a terminal, when I press my delete key, I get a ~?
22:48 < fake> Mon0: keymap flaws
22:48 < thalerim> i do only if i am in a good mood
22:49 < Mon0> fake: How can I fix it?
22:49 < thalerim> "good" means depressive
22:49 < fake> Mon0: have a look at /usr/share/keymaps/qwert?
22:49 < fake> and choose the one mathcing your kb
22:50 < fake> argh
22:50 < fake>  /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwert?
22:51 < fake> you can test them with
22:51 < Mon0> ls
22:51 < Mon0> ops.
22:51 < fake> loadkeys <keymapfile>
22:52 -!- Freak [freak@pD9530A7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:52 < fake> re Freak 
22:53 < Freak> re fake, gys
22:53 < Freak> guys
22:53 < tsa> hi Freak
22:54 < Freak> rxr: are they gonna announce it?
22:54 < tsa> ? announce what?
22:54 < tsa> <- curious
22:55 < esden> n8
22:55 < tsa> cu esden
22:55 < huebi> n8 esden 
22:56 < thalerim> gn8!
22:56 < rxr> Freak: The feedback with them is really slow - so I have not yet an answer for this question.
22:56 -!- Mon0 [mono@alb-24-29-49-171.nycap.rr.com] has quit (Remote closed the connection)
22:56 < rxr> tsa: I guess he ment my article ...
22:56 < rxr> hi tsa btw ;-)
22:56 < tsa> ah
22:56 < tsa> hi rxr.
22:56 < tsa> rxr: there is a new snapshot from clifford, released today.
22:57 < rxr> cool!
22:57 < Freak> rxr: so I don't think they will :(
22:57 < tsa> as it seems, all your cvs cksum's are messed up.
22:59 * fake really wanted to get home earlier today :(
22:59 < tsa> fake: still at work?
22:59 < fake> j0...
22:59 < huebi> On friday I'm going to install the next ROCK Linux server at the site of a customer.
22:59 < tsa> ah..
23:00 < huebi> fake: Have you got a field bed there?
23:00 -!- Mon0 [mono@alb-24-29-49-171.nycap.rr.com] has joined #rocklinux
23:00 < fake> i was so tires yesterday i didn't even have the power anymore to sacrifice s/th to mathilda
23:00 < fake> s,tires,tired,
23:00 < Mon0> Anyone care to help me configure my sound card?
23:00 < fake> huebi: nope
23:00 < thalerim> Mon0: just ask 
23:00 < Mon0> I did. =P
23:00 < huebi> fake: Mathilda should have an eye on you...
23:01 < Mon0> thalerim: I asked if anyone cared to help...
23:01 < tsa> which type of sound card?
23:01 < Mon0> Sound Blaster Live 5.1 Platinum.
23:01 < fake> modprobe emu10k
23:01 * rxr ./scripts/Update-Src -all
23:01 < thalerim> *g*
23:01 < thalerim> Mon0: it's polite but quite useless not to come on with the actual problem
23:02 < Mon0> bash-2.05# modprobe emu10k
23:02 < Mon0> modprobe: Can't locate module emu10k
23:02 < huebi> Mon0: depmod -a
23:02 < tsa> 00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)
23:02 < huebi> tsa: I can hear it till here.
23:02 < Mon0> thalerim: Sorry. I will keep that in mind.
23:02 < tsa> huebi: c00l ;)
23:03 < rxr> argh
23:03 < thalerim> ... lol ...
23:03 < rxr> yes tsa the cvs downloads have a che cksum ... ?!?
23:04 < Mon0> Ok, I did modprobe emu10k1 and I got no results, so I'm guessing it worked?
23:04 < Mon0> bash-2.05# modprobe emu10k1
23:04 < Mon0> bash-2.05#  
23:04 < tsa> rxr: ./scripts/Download -package ebg
23:04 < tsa> CVS -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.enlightenment.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/enlightenment -D 2002-07-07 e17/libs/ebg/
23:04 < tsa> cksum-test (bzip2): download/rene/ebg/ebg-2002-07-07.tar.bz2
23:04 < tsa> Cksum ERROR: download/rene/ebg/ebg-2002-07-07.tar.bz2.cksum-err (776089945)
23:05 < tsa> and so on and on and..
23:05 < fake> Mon0: ls -l /dev/dsp
23:05 < fake> err
23:05 < fake> ls /dev/sound/
23:05 < tsa> i've not found a single cvs ur withour errors.
23:05 < fake> depends.
23:05 < fake> distro?
23:05 < tsa> (stopped downloading after about 10-12 broken cvs packages..
23:05 < tsa> )
23:06 < tsa> oh...and i should learn to type without so much spelling errors..
23:06 < thalerim> *g* the evil typo god is being around here again
23:06 < tsa> yepp ;)
23:06 < thalerim> s,god,ghost
23:07 < Mon0> fake: There is no /dev/sound.
23:07 < thalerim> we should found a Ghostbuster like Team ... with the power of the milk provided by Mathilda no monster, ghost (even Bill Gates!!!) is able to hurt us
23:07 < tsa> Mon0: do you use devfs?
23:07 < Mon0> Not that I know of.
23:08 < Mon0> No.
23:08 < tsa> do you have /dev/dsp ?
23:08 < Mon0> Yes.
23:08 < tsa> hm...
23:08 < tsa> so you have hte devices and you loaded the module.
23:08 < tsa> should be working by now.
23:09 < fake> try some app using sound
23:09 < Mon0> One sec,,,
23:09 < fake> or do a "cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp" (JOKE!)
23:09 < tsa> cat /boot/vmlinuz > /dev/dsp
23:09 < Mon0> Yeah, I get the beeping noises and shit and I go backspace to far in a term.
23:09 < tsa> hehe
23:09 < Mon0> But MP3s won't play in XMMS.
23:09 < fake> Mon0: which WM do you use?
23:09 < tsa> using which output plugin?
23:10 < fake> KDE? Gnome? 
23:10 < Mon0> fake: Fluxbox!
23:10 < tsa> == $something_else
23:10 < Mon0> tsa: It is set on eSound Output Plugin 1.2.5 as default.
23:10 < fake> Mon0: is esd running?
23:10 < tsa> Mon0: hm..
23:10 < fake> ps aux | grep esd
23:11 < tsa> i have esound 1.2.7, but that's the correct plugin.
23:11 < Mon0> bash-2.05# ps aux | grep esd
23:11 < Mon0> root      8391  0.0  0.1  1328  452 pts/0    S    17:10   0:00 grep esd
23:11 < fake> Mon0: then use the OSS plugin
23:12 < Mon0> I get the 'Couldn't Open Audio' error.
23:12 < fake> Mon0: do you have the needed permissions on /dev/dsp ?
23:12 < Mon0> Unless they are auto ste, no.
23:12 < fake> ls -l /dev/dsp
23:13 * Mike1 back mm... great lunch
23:13 * Mike1 is back (gone 00:45:50)
23:13 < Mike1> re
23:13 < thalerim> 45min ... wow
23:13 < tsa> re Mike1
23:13 < fake> crwxrwxrwx    1 root     audio     14,   3 2002-03-14 22:51 /dev/dsp
23:13 < thalerim> wb
23:13 < tsa> fake: perms 777 ????
23:13 < tsa> uh.
23:13 < Mike1> thalerim: hehe
23:13 < Mon0> fake: I'm logged in as root in that term. Do I need to be logged in as mono?
23:13 < Mon0> crw-rw----    1 root     sys       14,   3 Jul 18  1994 /dev/dsp
23:13 < fake> tsa: i don't care.
23:14 < tsa> fake: i do.
23:14 < fake> tsa: you solve it then
23:14 < tsa> <- 660 ;)
23:14 < fake> Mon0: chmod 660 /dev/dsp
23:14 < thalerim> is dsp only outgoing or ingoing as well?
23:15 < fake> thalerim: define ingoing 
23:15 < thalerim> fake: micro for instance
23:15 < Mon0> thalerim: Yes.
23:15 < fake> it should
23:15 < fake> as there are no other devices in sound despite mixer and midi-stuff
23:15 < thalerim> so if you plugged in a micro, every user can hear you *g*
23:16 < thalerim> s,can,could
23:16 < fake> Big deal.
23:16 < Mon0> What should I do?
23:16 < thalerim> eh well ... imagin you're having a big meeting with somebig bosses
23:17 < fake> tsa: what should Mon0 do?
23:17 < fake> thalerim: i have no microphone attached. NEVER.
23:17 < thalerim> chmod 777 /dev/dsp # <--- for testing purpose
23:18 -!- thalerim is now known as thaly|harald
23:18 < thaly|harald> well, being watching harald now
23:18 < tsa> fake: no microphone here. but from my experience with the emu10k stuff, things are pretty straight-forward..
23:18 < tsa> never encountered any problems.
23:18 < fake> yep. me neither.
23:19 < Mon0> tsa: I don't have much Linux exp and I NEED MUSIC to do ANYTHING! (Sry for shouting.)
23:19 < fake> Mon0: just make a "chmod 777 /dev/dsp" and feel bad.
23:19 < tsa> .wav files can be cat'ed into /dev/audio directly, correct?
23:19 < fake> it will work then
23:19 < fake> tsa: not all of 'em IIRC
23:19 < thaly|harald> tsa: .au will
23:19 < fake> .au files work though
23:20 < Ge0rG> tsa: don't expect them to sound right
23:20 < Mon0> Ok, sound works now.
23:20 < Mon0> Why wouldn't it work with 660?
23:20 < tsa> ah, i see. (but i've never seen a .au file ..)
23:21 < fake> Mon0: because the user running XMMS wasn't root and not in the group allowed
23:21 < tsa> sun audio, IIRC.
23:21 < fake> tsa: old SUN audio format
23:21 < Mon0> fake: Gotcha,
23:21 < tsa> yeah ;)
23:21 < Mon0> Now I need to get GAim.
23:21 < fake> >_< *urgh*
23:25 < Mon0> How do I change the mouse daemon?
23:26 < rxr> Mon0: "change" ?
23:26 < Mon0> Er, change my mouse.
23:26 < rxr> you need to be more precise about what you wanna do ?
23:26 < Mon0> Sry.
23:26 < Mon0> Not hardware wise.
23:26 < rxr> in ROCK or in general ?
23:26 < tsa> unplug old mouse, plug in new one..?
23:26 < Mon0> Slackware.
23:26 < tsa> ah
23:26 < tsa> hm.
23:26 < Mon0> Not hardware wise.
23:27 < rxr> Mon0: the mouse type is controlled by the -t parameter
23:27 < Mon0> Right now I'm using an old logitech, and I want to use my new scrollinh logitech.
23:27 < fake> Mon0: the cursor o_O ?
23:27 < tsa> ..of "gpm"
23:27 < rxr> see man gpm
23:27 < fake> ah.
23:27 < fake> Mon0: in X?
23:27 < Mon0> fake: Yes.
23:27 < rxr> -t imps2
23:27 < fake> Mon0: man XF86Config
23:27 < rxr> Mon0: ah
23:27 < rxr> X != mouse daemon
23:28 < tsa> X = very nice mouse daemon ;-)
23:28 < fake> in the Mouse section
23:28 < rxr> tsa:  ;-) ACK
23:28 < tsa> even useful for a lot of other stuff..
23:28 < fake> Type   "IMPS/2"
23:28 < fake> Options "ZaxisMapping" "4 5"
23:28 < rxr> tsa: fake and some other stated that X11 is not needed for a stable release of ROCK *lol*
23:28 < fake> IT IS
23:28 < fake> :P
23:28 < fake> NOT
23:28 < fake> i mean.
23:29 < fake> i don't need x
23:29 < rxr> *lol*
23:29 < fake> i don't even use X at home
23:29 < tsa> hehe
23:29 * rxr jumping around - loughing
23:29 < tsa> rxr: let's drop all this compiler stuff, too.
23:29 < fake> rxr: it's always fun amusing you with the truth.
23:29 < tsa> takes up too much space.
23:30 < fake> nargh... kids.
23:30 < fake> ;P
23:30 < rxr> fake: Truth? Fake face it. For a stable release X11 IS NEEDED. Whether YOU  (or I) need it on a server is another issue ...
23:30 < rxr> and stating sparc64 is suppoted without even XFree to run is a really BAD JOKE ...
23:31 < fake> i am talking about workstations as well
23:31 < tsa> [R] +ia32 ;-)
23:31 < fake> c'mon what do you do on a system?
23:31 < rxr> fake: ok - also on my i486 workstation X11 might not be needed ...
23:31 < fake> ssh, vi, w3m maybe.
23:31 < tsa> fake: trying to remeber my login pass?
23:32 < tsa> ;)
23:32 < rxr> anyway on a stable release XFree MUST BE FUNCTIONAL ! *DOT*
23:32 < th> pff
23:32 < tsa> hi th
23:32 < thaly|harald> fake: ACK, ditto
23:32 < fake> noe. :P
23:32 < th> hi all
23:32 < thaly|harald> X is needed for a stable though, although i do not use it often
23:32 < fake> i doubt a system including DRI, XV, DGA can ever be stable
23:32 < rxr> tsa: I tried to do this space saving above. Now I get gcc: command not found during kernel compile ... - H ow to fix? *lol*
23:33 < th> rxr: you are a windows-junkie
23:33 < fake> windows as in GUI elements
23:33 < rxr> th: do we wanna be a reasonable dist or no ?
23:33 < fake> not as in "operating system"
23:33 < th> rxr: we don't wanne be any dist
23:33 < huebi> ripclaw -> rxr: we can still switch to xfree 3.3.6 with sparc64, if no-one with a knowhow of xf86 volunteers fixing it. 
23:33 < th> fake: hmm die mehrdeutligkeit war absicht ;)
23:34 -!- huebi is now known as ripclaw
23:34 < fake> th: don't be too 3v1l
23:34 < ripclaw> hi there
23:34 < th> fake: it was hard. i know
23:34 < rxr> Btw. On both of my server X11 is NOT installed - AND on my UltraSPARC X11 got never used (because the mighty sparc folk of ROCK decided to never test it - and it is non-funcitonal)
23:34 < th> hi ripclaw
23:34 < fake> rxr: you are a whiner. test it then.
23:34 < fake> do something about it
23:34 -!- pisco [~pisco@spumante.ucsd.edu] has joined #rocklinux
23:35 < rxr> fake: test? I did - doesn't work.
23:35 < fake> rxr: then fix it 
23:35 < rxr> fake: I do ... I'm not whining ?!?
23:35 < th> rxr: drock is a dist. i don't consider rocklinux being a distribution
23:35 < Mike1> hi pisco
23:35 < fake> rxr: you whine about X not working of usparc because of someone else not making it work
23:36 < rxr> th: many people here agreed that ROCK Linux should become a professional dist. Whether you like this, or not.
23:36 < fake> s,of,on,
23:36 < ripclaw> rxr: if you consider x11 top priority over a stable base system for compiling it, start helping. else we'll just get what people volunteer, and i'm not in the position to donate endless sparetime.
23:36 < tsa> hi ripclaw
23:36 < rxr> fake: NO! I only say it will never work this way. I already started to fix it in 1.7. But huebi put sparc64 to the "must work for 1.6" list - and I simply sayed it will not work this way....
23:36 < fake> ripclaw: ACK.
23:37 < fake> rxr: so what?
23:37 < Mike1> master ripclaw :)
23:37 < tsa> hehe
23:37 < tsa> hi pisco
23:37 < rxr> fake: stop telling the hybird 64/32 bit sparc stuff works.
23:37 * fake never said that
23:37 < rxr> i did not meat you directly
23:38 < fake> in contrary, i talked about using sparc32 kernel + userland on sparc in 1.5
23:38 < rxr> s/meat/meant/
23:38 < rxr> fake: yes. I know you already got the point.
23:38 < ripclaw> i have no problem with making sparc run old x, if xf4 doesnt work and i have no time, xf3 gets the points. if someone needs the features, DIY. there is nothing xf3 cannot do as well as xf4 on v.9
23:39 < rxr> ripclaw: Xfree works in 64 and 32 bits. But not on this kernel hybird thingy.
23:39 < ripclaw> and we checked the kernel, sparc32 only on sparc64 systems is only supported if you like to forfeit PCI usage.
23:39 < fake> constant-crashing-usable-only-by-root aka DRI is only availiby in Xf4 *dg*
23:39 < ripclaw> rxr - i know. but glibc doesnt.
23:39 < rxr> fake: "useable as root" ?????? No.
23:39 < fake> rxr: Mode "666" ?
23:39 < rxr> ripclaw: glibc does after some minor fixing.
23:39 < esden> re hi all
23:40 < rxr> fake: No group video
23:40 < fake> *argh*
23:40 < ripclaw> if people would finally get the point and beat drepper over the head with a keyboard to get the patch-commiters to think beyound F* ia32, stuff could have been working for a while now.
23:40 < rxr> fake: ?? XFree is suid root anyway - and with direct hardware access it can lock your machine without DRM anyway ...
23:40 < rxr> ripclaw: The problem is also DaveM ...
23:41 < fake> rxr: see! seeee! u want that in a stable rock??
23:41 < rxr> fake:  ?
23:41 < ripclaw> rxr - i stuck my nose into sparc glibc for 2.5 years, and i am not going to waste more time on this stinking shit. before i do that, i port openbsd libc to linux and shoot myself with a coke bottle.
23:41 < rxr> ripclaw: ACK
23:41 < tsa> *rotfl*
23:41 < fake> rxr: naaah... nevermind... maybe you are right ;-)
23:42 < rxr> But glibc-2.2.5 + gcc-3.1 works on SPARC64 !!! When statically linked! Even dietlibc does!
23:42 < ripclaw> davem is no problem, he is the only person maintaining that crap ia32 ppl left of the sparc code, and he is mostly doing this as a hobby one man show.
23:42 < rxr> Only the dynamic linker has some crash issues - I wanne fix next month.
23:42 < ripclaw> he cannot fix it all.
23:42 < fake> ripclaw: oh, don't, please. who's gonna pick me up for the trip to cliff then? ;))
23:43 < fake> (just kidding)
23:43 < ripclaw> rxr - where is a patch for that ? i have no trouble for making that damn stuff static, as long as it somehow works on 1.5.x - for which gcc 3.x is not a topic right now.
23:43 < rxr> ripclaw: this part is nice - but he is stange and doesn't accept others ideas
23:43 < rxr> only gcc-3.1 compilies vaild 64 bit userland code
23:44 < rxr> so please peple let this be a 1.7 thing
23:44 < rxr> patch is missing due to lack of time on my side.
23:44 < rxr> and staic binaries will fill up your disc quite fast 
23:44 < tsa> rxr: shoot girlfriend with bottle, then.
23:44 < ripclaw> rxr - i want something to work on in 1.5.x and i don"t have the time you too lack, i cannot keep following cliffords tree and deal with
23:44 < tsa> ;)
23:45 < fake> tsa: *lol*
23:45 < rxr> fake: you see I have knowledge - and I did got into the details ... - and I can work without X11 ...
23:45 < rxr> tsa: that is not funny at all ...
23:45 < fake> rxr: i did not call you a windows maniac - that was th ;-)
23:46 < tsa> fake: hehe
23:46 < rxr> s/fake/th/ ...
23:46 < ripclaw> all those hassles - i need sparc rock on ultra to work on, it must be reliable and i only need it to run wm2 with xterms for now. this works, with old x. i see no reason why to put all this "sparc port needs another extra gcc" in there right now. i can wait for it to support xf4 in 1.7
23:46 < rxr> hm a remote xterm might work - but not local display
23:47 < tsa> ripclaw: what are you currently using? 3.3.6?
23:47 * fake drives home
23:47 < fake> l8er
23:47 < ripclaw> but i am not going to wait using 20k$ in hardware just because some folks deem xf4 absolutely necessary. and if someone wants to replace me and armijn as port maintainers, he's free to make more and better patches.
23:47 < tsa> cu fake
23:47 < Mike1> later fake
23:47 -!- Freak [freak@pD9530A7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("I take this land for my bunghole!")
23:47 < chrisime> .
23:48 < ripclaw> rxr - i for my part can live with static binaries or xf3 - i have half a tera of diskspace on the network, and don't care about gui. 80 gb disk cost 100 eur today.
23:48 < rxr> ripclaw: btw: how much will this extra memory cost ?
23:49 < ripclaw> tsa: right now i still use no gfx at all and a minimal base to get a sourcetree and devel tools on 4gb local disk.
23:49 < rxr> ripclaw: I have no time for 1.5. I'll fix the linux* packages for huebi and then work on sparc64 in 1.7 next month
23:49 < tsa> ripclaw: ah, i see.
23:49 < thaly|harald> see you tommorow 
23:49 < thaly|harald> bye
23:49 < ripclaw> rxr: about 90 eur, thats what i hear from huebi and carlos both. thats 128 megs.
23:49 < tsa> cu thaly|harald
23:49 -!- thaly|harald [~tobrit@pD9E49B15.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("...")
23:50 < tsa> ripclaw: 128 = 2x64?
23:50 < rxr> 90eur for one 128 MB ?
23:50 < tsa> or one 128mb?
23:51 < ripclaw> rxr - i find your work in 1.7 appreciateable, but there are still no stable 1.5.x and thats what 90% sparc ppl use. who besides you has a sparc running 1.7 ?
23:51 < Mike1> ripclaw: i do
23:52 < Mike1> and i think Jan has
23:52 < ripclaw> the price seemed to be for 2x128, i don't have the details here, and i am far too tired.
23:52 < rxr> ripclaw: we had this stable 1.6 discussion this afternoon ...
23:52 < tsa> ripclaw: hehe...ok.
23:52 < ripclaw> ok, so we have 3 1.7 sparcs and the other half of the developers struggle with 1.5 - where does this get us workpower-wise ?
23:53 < Mike1> ripclaw: i agree with you on keeping it simple and stable for a 1.6 release
23:53 < ripclaw> you folks had the discussion this afternoon, i appologize for beeing late, can someone gimme a summary ?
23:53 < rxr> ripclaw: I have no time for any strange 1.5 game. I merge my dRock into 1.7. 1.5 is far to chaotic.
23:53 < rxr> Mike1: but the problem it already got changed here and there - so no simple and stable 1.6 ...
23:53 < Mike1> i know the prioritys are those but also i know that it is really important to include more that the basic stuff
23:54 < rxr> ripclaw: isn't huebi near you ?
23:54 < Mike1> rxr: i ment simple as in having a basic system to run stable
23:54 < rxr> tsa: cvs fixed in my rxr 1.7 tree ...
23:54 < tsa> rxr: huh? a godd patch should fix the code, not some compiler-specific issues, and therefore hopefully apply to both trees.
23:54 < tsa> rxr: cool.
23:55 < tsa> s,dd,od,
23:55 < ripclaw> rxr - i have no trouble with what you do on 1.7 - more power to you. but if 1.5 works as aplatform to compile stuff on, we at least have something _NOW_ to start compiling 1.7 on - and it doesnt make any sense to me to port a tree that is a moving target for now.
23:55 < esden> n8
23:55 < tsa> cu esden
23:55 < rxr> tsa: in 1.6 we can only have this 32/64 bit hybrid thingy, because the gcc-2.95.3 and the egcs64 do not generate vaild 64bit userspace code ...
23:55 < ripclaw> huebi is here, and he's less than slightly not amused on the topic. frankly speaking, he's pissed off.
23:56 < rxr> ripclaw: yes ACK. But huebiy put sparc64 to the need to be stable list - and I only mentioned that xfree will not work this way (maybe 3.3. will also just fail ...)
23:56 < tsa> i see no problem with sparc64 work being continued on both trees.
23:57 < rxr> ripclaw: huebi made 1.5 as moving as 1.7. This is the point.
23:57 < ripclaw> rxr - the hybrid junk works with suse and debian, if anyone can figure it out, which i am appearantly to fragging stupid to, please enlighten me.
23:57 -!- ripclaw is now known as huebi
23:57 < rxr> ripclaw: doesn't suse and debian use a sparc (32) kernel for use on all sparc hardware ?
23:57 < tsa> re huebi
23:58 < Mike1> WB huebi 
23:58 * rxr powering the sparc and checking the suse install cd 
23:58 < huebi> rxr: I don't make something moving. I just hunt bugs in unreliable 'geek code' not worth for a distribution. 
23:58 -!- huebi is now known as ripclaw
23:59 < ripclaw> rxr: regarding the sparc32 kernel, please take a look at it, and tell me what you think.
23:59 < tsa> .oO( huebiclaw )
23:59 < ripclaw> sparc32 kernel aka v.7 && v.8 has _no_ support for PCI - and guess how many sparc systems with sufficient compile power we have that have PCI ?
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