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00:38 < huebi> moin
00:38 < huebi> back home ;-)
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01:06 < th> huebi? du lebst?
01:06 < huebi> jo
01:06 < th> cool
01:31 < esden> hi huebi 
02:27 < esden> n8
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07:07 < sanitysej> hey, I'm not a complete newbie (i think) and want to try ROCK - I'm wondering if anyone would want to give me a hand?
07:08 < sanitysej> so, am I basically on my own?
07:09 < sanitysej> ok
07:13 < sanitysej> ok, do I need to ask specifics, or does anyone care I'm even in this irc?
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08:37 < owl> hi
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08:58 < huebi> moin :-)
09:06 < [anders]> moin
09:06 < [anders]> hullo huebi , how are things? :)
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09:20 < tsa> moin.
09:22 < huebi> moin [anders] 
09:22 < huebi> moin tsa 
09:25 < tsa> hi huebi
09:26 < tsa> SCSI 2 tape drive:
09:26 < tsa> File number=0, block number=0, partition=0.
09:26 < tsa> Tape block size 1024 bytes. Density code 0x1a (DLT 20GB).
09:26 < tsa> Soft error count since last status=0
09:26 < tsa> General status bits on (45010000):
09:26 < tsa>  BOT WR_PROT ONLINE IM_REP_EN
09:26 < tsa> huebi: any ideas what causes WR_PROT except write protection?
09:26 < tsa> customer says write protection is disabled.
09:26 < tsa> *sigh*
09:28 < huebi> tsa: I test it....
09:28 < tsa> ok, thanks.
09:30 < huebi> hehe. I have a DLT2000. kool
09:34 < tsa> hm...
09:34 < tsa> might it help to throw the tape drive out of the window?
09:35 < huebi> tsa: Definitly YES!
09:36 < tsa> ok.
09:36 * tsa throwing..
09:36 < tsa> aah.
09:37 < tsa> ok, backup's still broken, but i'm feeling _much_ better now..
09:37 < huebi> Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 05 Lun: 00
09:37 < huebi>   Vendor: DEC      Model: DLT2000          Rev: 9823
09:37 < huebi>   Type:   Sequential-Access                ANSI SCSI revision: 02
09:39 < huebi> tsa: cat /proc/scsi/scsi ?
09:40 < tsa> Host: scsi1 Channel: 00 Id: 05 Lun: 00
09:40 < tsa>   Vendor: BNCHMARK Model: DLT1             Rev: 3E20
09:40 < tsa>   Type:   Sequential-Access                ANSI SCSI revision: 02
09:40 < [anders]> tsa: that is a 40/80GB drive..
09:41 < huebi> [anders]: ACK
09:41 < tsa> hm..
09:41 < huebi> The cheap and slow model
09:41 < tsa> so why does mt status say it's 20gb?
09:41 < [anders]> v. nice.. I was going to get one until the company screwed me over.. I need to get legal help...
09:41 < [anders]> tsa: it could have a 20GB tape in it.. 
09:42 < [anders]> tsa: and the tape could have been written with a DLT-2000 which the DLT1 supports reading, but not writing to..
09:42 < tsa> aah, i understand.
09:42 < huebi> tsa: mt erase
09:44 < huebi> root@ultra:/tmp/mt-st-0.7# ./mt -f /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target5/lun0/mtn status
09:44 < huebi> SCSI 2 tape drive:
09:44 < huebi> File number=0, block number=0, partition=0.
09:44 < huebi> Tape block size 0 bytes. Density code 0x0 (default).
09:44 < huebi> Soft error count since last status=0
09:44 < huebi> General status bits on (41010000):
09:44 < huebi>  BOT ONLINE IM_REP_EN
09:44 < tsa> mt -f /dev/st0 erase 
09:44 < tsa> /dev/st0: Read-only file system
09:44 < tsa> *grr*
09:45 < [anders]> huebi: the ROCK policy is almost always to grab and build the latest available software yeah?
09:46 < tsa> crw-rw----    1 root     disk       9,   0 Mai  5  1998 /dev/st0
09:46 < huebi> [anders]: No, only if the software works after building
09:47 < huebi> for 1.6 I only want to have software proven to work fine. That does mean that it also could be beta software.
09:47 < [anders]> huebi: yes, but take the gettext package for example.. if you want to build gnome2, you can not get 0.11.3 or 0.11.2 of gettext and make it work..
09:48 < huebi> Stability is the maen goal for 1.6
09:48 < [anders]> huebi: you do require gettext 0.10.40
09:48 < tsa> <- hates backup stuff.
09:50 < huebi> Yes, but in 1.6 there will only be Gnome 1.4.1. If it's better to be open for further development, as I see, gettext 0.10.40 should be in 1.5 if nothing else breaks because of that.
09:50 < huebi> tsa: Tel them to put a brand new DLT-IV Tape into that drive.
09:51 < huebi> +l
09:51 < huebi> tsa: It must be sealed. And if they do something else send them an invoice >=10.000 EUR.
09:55 < tsa> huebi: i don't care about money any more with this one. shooting the customer is the only thing that will give me the necessary satisfaction..
09:58 < tsa> <- would like to insert tape into customer at speed of light.
09:59 < tsa> customer with dlt tape in mouth must look pretty funny, i guess.
10:00 < huebi> tsa: Let him pay for this special service, too. *g*
10:00 < tsa> hehe, sure.
10:00 < tsa> btw....anyone seen aszlig recently?
10:01 < [anders]> huebi: I have installed 0.10.40 gettext now in my 1.4.0 install and it works.. :)
10:02 * [anders] is quite happily now building large chunks of Gnome 2.0.0 to try out..
10:02 < huebi> [anders]: ok, I put it in cvs now and start a new build.
10:02 < tsa> if he doesn't show up here, i'll have to r00t his server.. ;-)
10:04 < [anders]> huebi: I am tempted in making a private 1.6.0 with Gnome2 instead of Gnome 1.4.1
10:05 < huebi> [anders]: Yes, do it. Now Gnome 1.4.1 get's stable and in 1.6.1 or so we can upgrade to Gnome2
10:08 < [anders]> huebi: Ok.. I'll need to order a new hard-disk for my laptop first though.. And an external USB 2.5" cradle for the other old disk.. :)
10:13 < [anders]> The dependencies to build metacity is rather interesting.. (That was my first goal...)
10:14 < [anders]> You need, in order, gettext 0.10.40, atk 1.0.2, pango 1.0.3, glib 2.0.4, gtk+ 2.0.5, linc 0.5.0, libIDL 0.8.0, ORBit 2.4.0, GConf 1.2.0, libglade 2.0.0 before you can build MetaCity 2.3.987
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10:15 < bluefire> Moin
10:15 < tsa> hi bluefire
10:15 < [anders]> and building the damned metacity-setup pulled in even more of Gnome2, and at that point I thought I might as well build the lot..
10:15 < tsa> what's metacity?
10:16 < tsa> a g2 release?
10:16 < [anders]> MetaCity is a new windowmanager...
10:16 < tsa> ah, i see.
10:16 < [anders]> (damned good looking as well.. )
10:17 < tsa> any screenshots anywhere?
10:17 < [anders]> tsa: one moment, I'll see what I can find..
10:17 < tsa> http://www.gnome.org/softwaremap/projects/Metacity doesn't have any..
10:21 < [anders]> can't find any right this minute.. Once I get it working properly, I can make screenshots myself..
10:21 < tsa> ok, fine.
10:22 < tsa> i've tried building gimp w/ gtk 2.0.x last week and failed badly. this gnome2 stuff is really becoming an ugly mess.
10:24 < [anders]> tsa: no, it will take a while to port all apps and utils across as gtk was massively updated and worked on.. It is not a smooth drop-in replacement.. :)
10:27 < tsa> [anders]: yes, i know. 
10:28 < [anders]> It would be tempting to keep the old gtk libraries installed so that un-ported applications can still be built and run..
10:28 < tsa> i'm currently considering a complete reinstall of my system...
10:36 < [anders]> same here..
10:46 < tsa> the current pkg format still doesn't allow some packages to be updated..
10:46 < tsa> (glibc is evil)
10:47 < [anders]> tsa: we would require something stand-alone, statically linked, to do the job for us with that..
10:48 < huebi> chroot to a temporary system in swap mount / to /mnt again and upgrade the system.
10:48 < tsa> [anders]: my system has been a 1.4.0 release (long long ago..), but i've updated about 80% percent of all packages with scripts/Build-Pkg ..
10:48 < tsa> yes..
10:49 < tsa> actually, it is possible to do a ./scripts/Build-Pkg glibc on a running system.
10:50 < huebi> yes, that should work fine. The old files are not removed, they are just overwriten. That should work fine.
10:50 < tsa> the problem is, i've been upgrading from glibc 2.1.3 to 2.2.x; since the old stuff could not be removed and new files are just added to the flists, i still had some old .h files from glibc 2.1.3 on my system...
10:51 < tsa> very bad when you try to compile some stuff..
10:51 < tsa> does anyone know how rpm handles such kind of updates?
10:51 < huebi> tsa: Therefore the chroot thing. Then you can make a pkg-remove - pkg-install
10:52 < tsa> huebi: that's what i did afterwards.
10:52 < tsa> requires a reboot and service downtime which is a bad idea if it's a important server.
10:52 < tsa> i'd like to be able to update even glibc on a running system.
10:53 < tsa> (i know, this is really ugly)
10:53 < tsa> rpm can do this. i don't like rpm, but i'd like to know how they do it.
10:54 < tsa> how could we remove old stuff and install new stuff at the same time without causing serious trouble when dealing with "core" system like libc etc ..
10:54 < tsa> ?
10:55 < tsa> there's other issues, too. it must become possible that a single file is owned by several packages.
10:56 < tsa> i think solaris has a clean solution for this one..
10:56 < huebi> first add the new packaege then remove the parts remaining from the old package.
10:56 < [anders]> much to think about.. and rpm doesn't solve the problem of a file being owned by several packages..
10:56 < tsa> [anders]: ACK.
10:56 < [anders]> (not what I have seen and experienced at any rate..)
10:56 < tsa> huebi: how do you know what is old and what is new?
10:57 < huebi> What about the solaris pkg* tools?
10:57 < tsa> you just have one flist.
10:57 < huebi> tsa: a temporary flist.
10:57 < tsa> huebi: solaris has a nice text file about files installed on the system and where they belong..
10:57 < tsa> (just to make it clear: we're speaking -dev, not -stable)
10:58 < tsa> huebi: did you ever have a look at the .cache files in 1.7?
10:58 < tsa> about 99% percent of all packages depend on hylafax ;-)
10:58 < huebi> tsa: That is fixed
10:59 < huebi> rene fixed it.
10:59 < tsa> in which way?
11:00 < huebi> Well, ask rene about it. If you ask long enough it might be possible that you get an sufficient answer ;>
11:00 < tsa> hehe
11:00 < tsa> *sigh*
11:00 < tsa> he's on vacation..
11:00 < tsa> good time to consider some major changes in 1.7? ;-)
11:01 < tsa> i still don't understand why he was so pissed about the sparc stuff in 1.6..
11:02 < huebi> I think he hates non-perfect things like sparc64.
11:02 < tsa> hm..
11:02 < tsa> sparc64 is work in progress.
11:03 < tsa> work is currently being done in your tree, not 1.7. i don't see a problem with that.
11:04 < [anders]> the reason for the upset is that they want 1.6.0 out asap.. they (clifford and rene) want development to take place in the 'unstable' tree..
11:05 < [anders]> Personally, i think it would be nice to get 1.6.0 out, the carry on working on it and get an updated 1.6.1 out a few months later..
11:06 < huebi> [anders]: They stopped to get things finished in 1.5. Now I need very much more time to get it stable with this fscked up 'geek code' nobody else can read without getting headaches. 
11:06 < tsa> [anders]: hm... the 1.7 tree has some advantages in comparison to 1.6; i think, it's a lot cleaner and possible it's a lot better for doing ports to other archs. but that's not a reason to drop 1.6..
11:07 < huebi> 1.6 is not out yet. And I release it only if it's stable.
11:07 < tsa> if we would drop 1.6, we would be left with nothing but an unstable tree.
11:07 < tsa> and "drock"....
11:08 < tsa> *urghs* ;)
11:08 < huebi> rene promised to fix the linux* pkgs in 1.5. now he is in vacation for at least 2 weeks. Now he has never to say anything about late release dates anymore!
11:08 < tsa> hehe.
11:09 < tsa> huebi: i wouldn't count on rene's work for 1.6...
11:09 < [anders]> huebi: Agreed, I think more work should have taken place in 1.5 before they branched 1.7 off of it..
11:09 < tsa> just feel free to change stuff, break everything and release it as you want. ;-)
11:09 < huebi> Then he has to shout up. His code is something unusable for a stable release.
11:09 < [anders]> tsa: I didn't say to drop 1.6, 1.6 is very much needed while people work on 1.7 to get that working properly..
11:10 < tsa> [anders]: full ack.
11:10 < [anders]> huebi: rxr did ask about the linux* stuff in 1.5.17, said he'd take a look and that was the last I heard of it..
11:11 < tsa> i think the problem is something else: some people work on 1.6, others on 1.7; but they don't talk to each other often enough. 
11:11 < huebi> tsa: I break nothing new in 1.5. I try to fix the broken crap in 1.5.
11:12 < tsa> i'm not talking about single package updates, that one is easy. but the core stuff, things that have to be added to 1.7, ...
11:12 < tsa> huebi: hehe.
11:12 < huebi> tsa: !.6 is not known as urgend as it should be. 1.7 is just development nobody is interested in who wants to use rocklinux seriously.
11:13 < tsa> it would be nice to get some more feedback about the progress being done with sparc64, known quirks etc, so this stuff could be integrated into 1.7..
11:13 < [anders]> I use Rock seriously.. on my desktop..
11:14 < [anders]> I've been using 1.4.0 since it came out.. been waiting for 1.4.1 (which never showed up..)
11:14 < huebi> tsa: the core stuff still needs many fixes in 1.5.
11:14 < tsa> huebi: yes, i know.
11:15 < tsa> seems to be the next problem: we're experienced users and developers, so we can just hack things. 
11:15 < tsa> i have no problem building 1.7 packages on my 1.4.0 system or whatever else. but real "end users" wouldn't do that..
11:17 < huebi> [anders]: I developed many things on 1.5 on full productive servers. 1.5 is usable stable for production. But it is not as bugfree as it needs to be for an admin or enduser how needs something bullet proof.
11:17 < tsa> ACK ACK ACK!
11:17 < tsa> ;-)
11:17 < tsa> we need some dumb and stupid morons to test our stuff. ;-)
11:18 < [anders]> tsa: users w/o clue will not get far installing Rock.. 
11:19 < huebi> tsa: Not dump and stupid. I would better say unexperienced with some basic knowledge
11:20 < tsa> ok.....we're an distro for experienced users, sure..
11:20 < [anders]> users with some clue should be able to install Rock.. I had a little idea of how things worked when I started with Rock 1.3.9 on my SuSE box at home..
11:23 < huebi> here a german translation of the install guide. Only some more information is needed about fdisk, mke2fs, mkswap, swapon... http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/howtos/Rocklinux_installation_de.html
11:23 < huebi> ...to get a beginner to install rocklinux on his own.
11:28 < tsa> are there any good ncurses-based fdisk frontends?
11:29 < tsa> i always need several sheets of paper when doing my partition layout just with fdisk..
11:29 < tsa> confusing..
11:29 < tsa> [tsa@azathoth ~]$ mount | wc -l
11:29 < tsa>      19
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11:30 < tsa> hi Freak
11:34 < huebi> tsa: Did you consider to use LVM?
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11:35 < huebi> moin Ge0rG, Freak 
11:35 < Ge0rG> hi :)
11:37 < tsa> huebi: i've never used it before, and i'm happy with just standard partitions, so i see ne reason to change this..
11:38 < tsa> i know lvm has some advantages, but i don't fully trust it, and i can't risk losing my mp3s^h^h^h my important work data.
11:38 < huebi> tsa: You can very easy resize your partitions and also repartition your running system
11:39 < Freak> hi all
11:42 < tsa> huebi: i'm not sure if all kinds of filesystems like transparently being resized.
11:42 < tsa> reiser/ext2/ext3/xfs/jfs ..
11:42 < tsa> i'm currently running on reiserfs exclusively.
11:43 < huebi> reiserfs work really fine.
11:46 < [anders]> tsa: I have been using lvm/reiserfs with Rock 1.4.0 since it was released.. ;-)
11:48 < [anders]> I have both increased nad decreased filesystem size and not had any problems..
11:48 -!- Ge0rG is now known as ge0rg
11:49 < [anders]> I must admit I was scared when updating from lvm 0.9 to 1.0
11:55 < tsa> hehe
12:06 < tsa> *gaehn*
12:06 < tsa> <- tired.
12:07 < huebi> ach nee ;-)
12:07 < tsa> hehe
12:07 < tsa> i've heard sleeping should help.
12:08 < huebi> Sound Blaster 5.1 digital PCI <- Does this use the emu10k driver?
12:08 < tsa> yes.
12:08 < tsa> 00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)
12:08 < huebi> 34,20 EUR +VAT
12:09 < tsa> Creative EMU10K1 PCI Audio Driver, version 0.18, 21:44:20 Jul  3 2002
12:09 < tsa> PCI: Setting latency timer of device 00:09.0 to 64
12:09 < tsa> emu10k1: EMU10K1 rev 7 model 0x8064 found, IO at 0xb800-0xb81f, IRQ 19
12:09 < tsa> ac97_codec: AC97 Audio codec, id: 0x8384:0x7608 (SigmaTel STAC9708)
12:09 < tsa> emu10k1: SBLive! 5.1 card detected
12:13 < huebi> cat /proc/fridge/Pizza
12:13 < huebi> 0
12:13 < huebi> hmmm
12:15 < [anders]> 33 packages build so far to get gnome2 working.. and there is at least another 5 to go..
12:15 < tsa> uh, nice.
12:15 < tsa> i already failed at glib
12:16 < tsa> damn configure refused to find the correct glib version
12:16 < tsa> autoconf/automake just sucks.
12:17 < [anders]> I installed all gnome2 stuff in a separate directory in /opt then I make symlinks from /opt/snot/package/* to /usr/local/package/
12:17 < tsa> hm..
12:17 < tsa> i used -prefix=/opt/gnome2
12:17 < [anders]> I'll get you the full link command in a moment.. waiting to gnome-applets to finish building..
12:17 < tsa>  /opt/gnome2/bin as first entry in $PATH
12:18 < tsa>  /opt/gnome2/lib in /etc/ld.so.conf
12:18 < tsa> still complained.
12:18 < [anders]> tsa: you have package 0.12 installed, right?
12:18 < [anders]> you need that for this to work..
12:18 < tsa> of what?
12:18 < tsa> package 0.12?
12:19 < [anders]> it is called package.. :)
12:19 < tsa> huh?
12:19 < tsa> no, i haven'Ät
12:19 < tsa> there is no rock package named "package"
12:20 < [anders]> one moment.. I'll try and find it..
12:20 < tsa> pkgconfig?
12:22 < tsa> Cksum ERROR: download/rene/ebg/ebg-2002-07-07.tar.bz2.cksum-err (3890796430)
12:22 < tsa> GRR.
12:22 < tsa> going to kill rxr
12:23 < tsa> all cvs stuff broken again.
12:23 < tsa> *sigh*
12:23 < [anders]> pkgconfig
12:23 < tsa> ah, yes.
12:23 < [anders]> that's the name of it..
12:23 < tsa> i have that one.
12:23 < [anders]> sudo ln -s /opt/snot/lib/pkgconfig/* /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/
12:23 < [anders]> then it works.
12:24 < [anders]> I have not figured out how to make pkgconfig look in /opt/snot/lib/pkgconfig yet.. :)
12:24 < Freak> what the hell is a sea monkey? my dictionary doesn't know it
12:26 < tsa> dunno.
12:26 < Freak> so I googled now
12:26 < Freak> what the hell is this?
12:26 < Freak> toys?
12:26 < tsa> hehe
12:26 < Freak> http://www.seamonkeymania.com/
12:27 < Freak> looks.. kinda... funny.
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12:27 < tsa> hi fake
12:27 < Freak> hi there, fake
12:27 < fake> hi -_-
12:27 < tsa> hehe
12:27 < tsa> ok so let's see.
12:27 < tsa> gtk+ 2.0.x wants glib.
12:28 < tsa> ./scripts/Build-Pkg -prefix /opt/gnome2 glib
12:28 < tsa> building..
12:28 < tsa> waiting..
12:28 < tsa> *sigh*
12:29 < tsa> glib built.
12:29 < Freak> http://www.staff.ncl.ac.uk/andrew.harbottle/images/sm_singing_karaoke.jpg
12:29 < Freak> I don't get it
12:29 < Freak> hey you american guys, fill me in
12:29 < tsa> echo /opt/gnome2/lib >> /etc/ld.so.conf ; ldconfig
12:30 < Freak> so there's a PC game with sea monkeys..
12:30 < Freak> and there are..
12:30 < tsa> ./scripts/Build-Pkg -prefix /opt/gnome2 gtk+
12:30 < [anders]> tsa: stick /opt/*/lib in /etc/ld.so.conf instead
12:30 < tsa> [anders]: ld.so.conf can't do wildcard expansion, IIRC.
12:30 < Freak> instant creatures.. http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/0201483874.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
12:30 < tsa> > No package 'glib-2.0' found
12:30 < tsa> arghs.
12:30 < Freak> maybe they're "Urzeitkrebse" like we got in the famous YPS-Magazine
12:31 < Freak> here in germany..
12:31 < fake> tsa: ldconfig of rock can
12:31 < tsa> ah, ok
12:31 < Freak> nice tho ;)
12:31 < [anders]> tsa: mine does, quite happily..
12:31 < [anders]> :-?
12:31 < tsa> export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/opt/gnome2/lib
12:31 < tsa> ./scripts/Build-Pkg -prefix /opt/gnome2 gtk+
12:31 < tsa> next try.
12:32 < tsa> ok, doesn't work this way.
12:32 < fake> Freak: yes... i had the Urzeitkrebse too
12:32 < huebi> moin fake
12:32 < fake> hi huebi 
12:33 < tsa> added to .conf file.
12:33 < tsa> next try.
12:33 < tsa> hm..
12:33 < tsa> still not working.
12:33 * fake is deprimiert
12:33 < tsa> damn
12:34 < huebi> fake: what's up?
12:35 < fake> ach.. alles scheisse ... und noch dazu hab ich grade festgestellet dass unsere alte firewall (die ich am Sa/So ersetzt habe) kompromittiert war
12:35 < tsa> added to gnome2.conf
12:35 < tsa> next try.
12:35 < tsa> would like to meet gnome developer.
12:35 < tsa> > No package 'glib-2.0' found
12:35 < tsa> need 9mm gun.
12:35 < huebi> fake: What did happen to it?
12:36 < fake> huebi: ssh remote exploit, someone installed a sniffer
12:36 < fake> (until i updated ssh)
12:36 < tsa> urghs.
12:36 < tsa> where?
12:36 < tsa> important system?
12:36 < fake> gateway, batallion host
12:36 < fake> tsa: all traffic goes through there
12:36 < tsa> arghs.
12:36 < fake> cvs checkouts, for example.
12:37 < fake> (closed source software)
12:37 * fake changing all his passwords
12:38 < fake> from Jul. 2001 - Dez. 17th 2001
12:38 < fake> i updated ssh on 17th of Dec.
12:40 < tsa> <- rebuilding pkgconfig
12:40 < [anders]> bah.. forgot to build the damned control-center...
12:40 < tsa> hehe
12:42 < tsa> next try for gtk+
12:42 < [anders]> looking good when it is running though.. :)
12:42 < tsa> > No package 'atk' found
12:42 < tsa> ah.
12:42 < Freak> fake: I didn't ever get them "working" ;)
12:42 < [anders]> need atk and pongo
12:42 < tsa> building atk.
12:42 < tsa> wtf is pongo?
12:42 < [anders]> pango
12:43 < tsa> ah.
12:43 < [anders]> then you can build glib..
12:43 < tsa> sounds....uhm...interesting.
12:43 < fake> Freak: me neither.
12:43 < [anders]> and then you can build gtk+
12:43 < tsa> i alredy have glib.
12:43 < Freak> hahaha ;)
12:43 < tsa> even glib-2.0
12:43 < tsa> finally.
12:43 < tsa> atk done.
12:43 < tsa> now pango.
12:43 * fake never gets anything working
12:44 < tsa> fake: do you have a phone number from aszlig?
12:44 < fake> tsa: no, why?
12:44 < tsa> fake: he has a security problem.
12:44 < fake> tsa: what kind?
12:45 < tsa> several, to be honest.
12:45 < tsa> fake: website of his work disclosing mysql user/pass.
12:45 < fake> tsa: where does he work?
12:45 < tsa> fake: www.stroehmer.de
12:46 < tsa> pango done.
12:46 < tsa> gtk+. again.
12:47 < fake> tsa: esden should have it - or owl.
12:48 * fake is going to kick some stones around... (break)...
12:48 < tsa> fake: i told esden yesterday, but he didn't
12:48 -!- ge0rg is now known as Ge0rG
12:48 < tsa>  FTP server (Version wu-2.6.0(1)
12:48 < tsa> buuuhuuhuh..
12:49 < tsa> some people don't need security, it seems.
12:51 < huebi> tsa: almost the same as M$ "Open Server" *g*
12:51 < tsa> ack-.
12:51 < tsa> SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_2.9.9p2
12:51 < tsa> *sigh*
12:52 < tsa> anyone wanna r00t stroehmer.de? ;-)
12:53 < tsa> == 07/22/02 12:52:48 =[9]=> Finished building package gtk+.
12:53 < tsa> YESSSSS!#
12:55 < huebi> "This Web Site has been shut down by the ISTF (Internet Security Task Force) for your safety."
12:55 < huebi> hehe
12:57 < th> ouhm? wo
12:57 < tsa> hehe
12:58 < tsa> huebi: proposal for openssh: change --sysconfir=/etc to =/etc/ssh
12:58 < tsa> +d
12:58 < huebi> tsa ACK
12:58 < tsa> fine, thanks.
12:59 < huebi> tsa:  can you cvs ci it?
12:59 < tsa> mom.
13:00 * tsa co'ing
13:00 < tsa> what do i have to run after changing this? Build-?
13:00 < tsa> (before ci)
13:01 < th> scripts/Build-Index
13:01 < tsa> ok. thanks.
13:01 < th> rock-1.5/Documentation/HOWTO-Contribute-To-rock-1.5.txt
13:01 < tsa> ;-)
13:01 < tsa> = rtfm
13:02 < th> short:
13:02 < th> ======
13:02 < th> CVSROOT=cvs.rocklinux.de
13:02 < th> CVS_RSH=ssh
13:02 < th> always update (cvs up -dP) before changing anything
13:02 < th> do a ./scripts/Build-Index after changing anything in {base,ext}-config
13:02 < th> that's a fscking short fm
13:02 < tsa> hehe
13:02 * tsa working directly on world.
13:03 < tsa> sendmail 8.12.5 is current.
13:03 < tsa> cvs still has .4
13:04 < th> [M] Clifford Wolf <clifford@clifford.at>
13:04 < tsa> clifford isn't working on this tree, is he?
13:04 < th> i really don't think so
13:05 < tsa> cvs ci done.
13:05 < tsa> i'l have a look after sendmail later..
13:07 < tsa> ok, i'm gone for a while.
13:07 < tsa> cu later.
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13:11 * fake understood existence yesterday
13:11 < fake> now i know what existance is, and why
13:13 < [anders]> barf.. now I have to figure out how to make gnome2 use metacity instead of sawfish
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13:30 < [anders]> got it.. I can now log out and get gnome2 running ... :)  biab.. :D
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13:40 < fake> wee...
13:41 < [anders]> yummy... gnome2 is faaaaaast!
13:42 < huebi> [anders]: ;-))
13:42 * [anders] has now officially changed from Gnome 1.4.0 to Gnome 2.0
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13:43 < freed> hi all
13:55 -!- snyke is now known as snyk3
13:55 -!- snyk3 is now known as snyke
13:58 < praenti> hi
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14:21 < [anders]> what really gets me about Gnome2 is the fact that it is so bloody fast! When you change a setting or similar, it just happens, instantly..
14:23 * [anders] is now building nautilus.. 
14:48 * [anders] is impressed.. Gnome2 is a lot sleeker and nice than anticipated..
15:04 < fake> wooho.
15:04 < fake> Suddenly your firm dies. You die.
15:06 * fake is now as good as unemployed
15:15 < [anders]> fake: sorry to hear that....
15:24 < bluefire> [anders]: if you start trying drag'n'drop in nautilus, you'll find less so.
15:30 < [anders]> bluefire: it appears to be working quite nicely at least with backgrounds etc..
15:33 -!- freed [~bofh@konzentrat.tfh-berlin.de] has quit ("BitchX: now with flavor crystals!")
15:33 < [anders]> and also, for being a 2.0.0 release, I would anticipate some problems with it..  The gnome terminal needs some more work done to it to get to the point where I would be really happy with it. MultiGnomeTerminal does have a a few features still that I find GnomeTerminal lacking. Highlighting of tabs when something changes in the windows and also being able to move tabs..
16:01 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux
16:01 < Mike1> Good Day all
16:02 < [anders]> moin Mike1 
16:02 < [anders]> Mike1: how are you today then? Feeling any better?
16:02 < Mike1> Yo [anders]
16:03 < Mike1> [anders]: I feel perfect now :)
16:03 < Mike1> and you?
16:03 < [anders]> Mike1: I feel alright.. Tired, as I was working saturday and didn't get enough sleep sunday. Other than that I feel fine. Got Gnome2 installed and running now as well. (Which is kool. ;)
16:04 < Mike1> nice :)
16:04 < Mike1> i finally got to build ur private tree this weekend
16:04 < Mike1> when i left home this mourning it was working with mozilla
16:05 < Mike1> vim and about 4 gnome packages where broken but i will have  a look at it tonight
16:06 < fake> does anyone have a job for me?
16:06 < Mike1> fake: sure but you will have to come over to CR
16:06 < Mike1> BTW hi fake 
16:06 < fake> hi Mike1 
16:09 < Mike1> fake: finally got to sleep well?
16:10 < fake> nope
16:10 < fake> i think i'm sick
16:10 < Mike1> damn thats bad my friend
16:10 < Mike1> whats up?
16:10 < fake> i couldn't sleep at all... i dunno
16:11 < Mike1> Too much coffee?
16:11 < fake> just turned from one side to the other on my matress
16:11 < fake> Mike1: would have to be a hell lot of coffee to keep me from falling asleep a whole night
16:12 < Mike1> true, perhaps something must be stressing you, it has happen to me before
16:14 < [anders]> I have had that as well.. Some nights it is just impossible to fall asleep... Usually because of stress..
16:14 < [anders]> Not always easy to know yourself what is stressing you either..
16:15 < fake> oh, i know it. it's life.
16:17 < Mike1> perhaps it could be just a secondary consecuence of been a crazy rock developer
16:21 < WKaibigan> When configure can't find a library that is installed, how do you tell it where it is?
16:26 < fake> WKaibigan: depends
16:29 < WKaibigan> I am trying to install Evolution and the configure file tell me it can't find libxml even though it appears in the list if I do ldconfig -v.
16:29 < fake> WKaibigan: is there a --with-libxml=... - switch ?
16:30 < fake> in configure --help, for example
16:31 < fake> ./configure --help | grep xml
16:31 < WKaibigan> Nope no option for that.
16:31 < fake> hm :-/
16:31 < fake> can you see where it looks for libxml?
16:31 < fake> or try something like
16:32 < Mike1> 196.40.3.20 KILL HIM!!!
16:32 < fake> generate a hello.c file, with a hello world in it
16:32 < fake> and try to link -lxml into it
16:32 < fake> so gcc -o foo -lxml ./hello.c
16:33 < WKaibigan> No idea how to do that.
16:33 < fake> ping -c 9999 -f -s 64000 196.40.3.20
16:34 < Mike1> fake: hehe
16:35 < fake> WKaibigan: echo '#include <stdio.h>\n void main(void) { printf("Hello World\n"); }' > hello.c
16:35 < fake> err
16:36 < fake> you'll have to edit it and actually replace the first \n by a real one
16:36 < [anders]> WKaibigan: LDFLAGS="-lxml" ./configure
16:38 < [anders]> perhaps even LDFLAGS="-L/path/to/libxml -lxml" ./configure
16:39 < WKaibigan> The test program didn't complain about the -lxml so I assume it found it.
16:39 < fake> yes.
16:45 < WKaibigan> LDFLAGS didn't make any difference
16:49 < [anders]> WKaibigan: try with CFLAGS instead of LDFLAGS then..
16:53 < WKaibigan> Nope that didn't help either :-(
16:57 < [anders]> WKaibigan: you could hack the makefile directly and force it to link with libxml I suppose..
16:58 < fake> [anders]: there is no makefile as long as configure doesn't work XD
16:59 < WKaibigan> Beyond my knowledge
16:59 < fake> libxml-config ?
16:59 < fake> err no
17:01 < WKaibigan> Don't have that command.
17:02 < fake> me neither
17:02 < fake> <-- st00pid
17:14 < rolla> re all
17:35 < Mike1> is huebi here?
17:41 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has joined #rocklinux
17:41 < armijn> re
17:42 < Mike1> hi armijn
17:42 < armijn> hi
17:44 < fake> hi armijn, hi rolla 
17:44 < armijn> still no CDs from huebi
17:44 < armijn> ah well...
17:44 < armijn> think I will d/l everything myself
17:44 < armijn> urgh
17:45 * armijn waiting for "woody"
17:45 < armijn> ehr, that was released friday
17:45 < armijn> argh...
17:45 < armijn> no internet connection is bad for my health
17:45 < fake> heh
17:46 < fake> who needs woody? 
17:46 < armijn> I do
17:47 < armijn> for sparc64
17:47 < armijn> so I can cleanly build ROCK
17:47 < fake> ah, ic.
17:47 < armijn> urgh, w2k install taking aaaaaaages
17:47 < fake> WHO NEEDS w2k ??
17:48 < armijn> I do
17:48 < armijn> with Cygwin
17:48 < armijn> for porting some software
17:48 < fake> strange dutchman
17:48 < fake> <- j/k
17:48 < armijn> na, working on a Mozilla Tinderbox like buildfarm here at the university
17:48 < armijn> (tinderbox: www.mozilla.org/tinderbox.html)
17:50 < fake> ahaa...
17:51 * fake starts to like OpenLDAP
17:56 < fake> at least sizelimit -1 really works
17:56 * [anders] is liking Gnome2 more and more.. Lots of things that only were a dream in 1.4.0 is not suddenly working quite well... (And not taking 95% CPU to do things or feeling incredibly slow..)
17:57 < armijn> s/not/now/ ??
17:57 < fake> [anders]: i was a bit disappointed...
17:57 < fake> [anders]: the Xinerama supports still lacks a lot of improvement
17:58 < Ge0rG> 2.0 was released to stabilize the api, the bugfixes follow later ;)
17:58 < fake> ah, sw33t.
17:59 * fake sticking with enlightenment in the meantime
17:59 < armijn> who needs X?
18:00 < [anders]> Well, I've had it running for a good part of the day and I am quite happy with it.. 
18:00 < fake> armijn: i don't need it. i like it, but i could do without it.
18:00 < [anders]> armijn: even with screen and 10 vc's, you'd run out of windows.. ;-)
18:00 < fake> armijn: but multihead-console isn't that cool 
18:00 < fake> [anders]: screen is your friend
18:00 < [anders]> fake: and I make good use of it..
18:01 < armijn> heh, was earthquake here this morning
18:01 < fake> [anders]: framebuffer @1200x1600 and 4 shells in one screen-window?
18:01 < armijn> small one
18:01 < fake> armijn: you had too much wine yesterday, i assume.
18:01 < armijn> fake: no no no
18:01 < armijn> a real one
18:02 < armijn> 4.9 on richter scale
18:02 * fake didn't notice anything... 
18:02 < fake> maybe it got trouble at the border... er.... zoll?
18:02 < armijn> heheh...
18:02 < armijn> nah
18:02 < armijn> although I was shaking in my bed for a few seconds
18:02 < armijn> was fun
18:02 < armijn> as long as they don't get any bigger
18:02 < fake> hehe. 
18:03 < fake> reminds me of those beds in hotels where you can throw in some coins... and... *rrrr*
18:03 < armijn> wow
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18:34 < armijn> installing FreeBSD..
18:44 -!- snyke_ [~jl1065@eros.bingo-ev.de] has quit ("snyke_ has no reason")
18:51 < armijn> FreeBSD installed...
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19:12 < owl> hi
19:12 < huebi> muh! owl 
19:12 < Mike1> hi owl
19:12 < Mike1> master huebi :))
19:13 < huebi> hi Mike1 
19:13 < Mike1> how are you ??
19:13 < huebi> a litle bit tired. It was a workfull weekend. ;)
19:14 < Mike1> huebi: i realized that i havent seen a lot of days
19:14 < owl> hi huebi & Mike1
19:17 < Mike1> huebi: what are your  current prioritys on 1.5 ?
19:18 < huebi> yes. from thursday till yesterday night I was almost without internet.
19:18 < esden> hi all
19:18 < Mike1> yeah we were all missing you 
19:18 < huebi> moin esden 
19:18 < Mike1> hi esden
19:18 < fake> hi huebi 
19:18 < huebi> hi fake
19:18 < fake> hi esden 
19:19 < owl> hi esden. 
19:25 < huebi> PHP 4.2.2 is out.
19:25 < huebi> http://www.php.net/release_4_2_2.php
19:25 < Mike1> nice
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19:35 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pD9522C0C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("cinema")
19:42 * Mike1 away lunch
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20:18 < Mike1> re
20:18 < fake> re.
20:18 * fake revises anything bad about OpenLDAP he said.
20:20 * Mike1 wonders if fake had fun moving wires on sunday
20:20 < fake> :P
20:23 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9E11DA6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:23 < tsa> re
20:23 < Mike1> re tsa
20:23 < fake> re tsa
20:24 < tsa> hi Mike1, fake
20:24 < fake> tsa: i have to revise my sayings: OpenLDAP doesn't suck
20:24 < tsa> hehe
20:24 < owl> moin tsa
20:24 < tsa> hi owl
20:27 -!- snyke_ [~jl1065@eros.bingo-ev.de] has quit ("snyke_ has no reason")
20:27 < tsa> fake: do you really mean openLDAP (the software, not the protocol itself?)
20:27 < fake> I suck.
20:27 < tsa> hm...
20:27 < tsa> ldap has nice ideas behind it, but i've never gotten myself familiar with openldap.
20:27 < fake> tsa: it works. it doesn't crash. that's a _lot_ better then Netscape DS
20:27 < tsa> haha
20:28 < fake> iPlanet, that is
20:28 < tsa> is there anyone still using nutscrape stuff?
20:28 < tsa> just sucks.
20:28 < fake> tsa: I use Netscape Communicator 4.79
20:29 < fake> tsa: Mozilla is _very_ nice - but overfeatured if you just want to read html documents.
20:29 < tsa> fake: i actually did use netscape a while ago. but i've found galeon to be much more stable..
20:29 * Mike1 use lynx
20:29 < tsa> (i even had a cronjob removing my ~/.netscape directory..)
20:29 < fake> tsa: besides, mozilla sucks in streaming documents (e.g. esden's webchat XD)
20:30 < fake> Mike1: i use w3m
20:30 < fake> (if on console)
20:30 < tsa> hm...
20:30 < tsa> never tried esden's webchat.
20:31 < fake> bchat.bingo-ev.de
20:32 < tsa> hm..
20:32 < tsa> wo issn da was los?
20:32 < tsa> #bingo?
20:32 < fake> tsa: wenn dann in #bingo
20:32 < fake> aber is sehr lowtraffic
20:33 < fake> fast nie mehr als 10 leute auf einmal drin
20:33 < tsa> fake: naja, auf "alles rund um koerperliche liebe" mit dir verzichte ich dann mal besser.. ;-)
20:33 < fake> tsa: ich bin gar nich drin
20:33 < fake> (und der channel war natuerlich esden's idee)
20:34 < tsa> hehe
20:34 * fake Rammstein - Seemann
20:44 < fake> *lol*
20:44 < fake> Mike1 is trying it also
20:44 < Mike1> hehe
20:44 < Mike1> well
20:44 < tsa> ,-)
20:45 < tsa> why is this called bingo-chat? wasn't bingo the game all old people play?
20:46 < fake> tsa: bingo is short for "Buergernetzverein INGOlstadt"
20:47 < tsa> ah, i see.
20:47 < tsa> so you are a burger.
20:47 < tsa> *G*
20:48 < fake> mitburger. not cheeseburger.
20:48 < tsa> hehe
20:48 < tsa> what about esden - he is a fried chicken, then? ;-)
20:48 < fake> *prust*
20:49 < fake> polish chicken nugget
20:49 < tsa> hehe
20:49 < tsa> i couldn't resist ;-)
20:49 < tsa> chatting with different kinds of food...interesting idea.
20:50 * WKaibigan has finally got Evolution to compile.
20:50 < tsa> oh, cool.
20:50 < fake> WKaibigan: what did you do?
20:51 * owl hates her dentist. *argh*
20:51 < Mike1> owl who doesnt?
20:51 < WKaibigan> Used gnome-config --libdir to find out what directory was being used for the libs and then copies some .sh files into that directory and then configure knew about the libs,
20:51 < owl> *g*
20:51 * fake doesn't
20:52 < fake> WKaibigan: >_<
20:52 < tsa> owl: you don't have to marry your dentist, at least..
20:52 < tsa> ;-)
20:52 < fake> uh... do i have to?
20:52 < owl> tsa: if i would have to do, i would die...
20:52 < tsa> fake: you? sure.
20:52 < owl> fake: yep :P
20:52 * tsa thinks of fake in a white dress.
20:52 < fake> hm... well he sure is pretty attractive... hm... 
20:52 < tsa> buahaha.
20:53 < owl> tsa: hehe ;)
20:53 < fake> tsa: you'll marry a windows XP cd.
20:53 < fake> (punishment rulez)
20:53 < tsa> hehe
20:54 * tsa eating windoze cd.
20:54 < tsa> it's gone.
20:54 < tsa> :-P
20:54 < tsa> hm..anyone got some salt/pepper?
20:54 < fake> *bluaeh*
20:54 -!- d3m|away is now known as d3mian
20:54 < owl> tsa: how did it taste? r u still alive? i guess it's poison, isn't it?
20:54 < fake> tsa: you are weird.
20:54 < tsa> hi d3mian
20:54 < fake> hi d3mian 
20:54 < d3mian> hi all guys
20:54 < owl> hi d3mian
20:54 < tsa> fake: didn't you know that before? ;)
20:55 < d3mian> Mike1: hey hey
20:55 < tsa> owl: hm...still unsure. interesting, but somehow strange.
20:55 < tsa> some of the bits are awful.
20:55 < Mike1> d3mian: !!
20:55 < owl> tsa: some?!? i guess all are awful... 
20:55 < Mike1> huebi: is did you update php to 4.2.2 already?
20:55 * tsa throwing win ME-CD's at fake
20:55 < Mike1> d3mian: did you receive my email?
20:56 * fake doding behind a giant Tux
20:56 * fake throwing BSD-Devil's fork at tsa
20:56 * Mike1 gives tsa his latest rock 1.5.17 cd
20:56 < tsa> fake: what are you doing to this poor tux?
20:56 < fake> eh-eh-eh
20:56 < tsa> fake: that's not a girl!
20:56 < tsa> fake!
20:56 < fake> sure it is! look!
20:56 < tsa> poor tux..
20:56 < Mike1> ROTL!!
20:57 * owl takes her notebook and hits tsa with the notebook!
20:57 < tsa> ouch.
20:57 < fake> owl: did you finally find a good use for your notebook? *dg*
20:57 < Mike1> haha
20:57 < tsa> hehe, sure - she installed dos 3.3 ;-)
20:57 < fake> 3.2
20:58 < fake> (i have that version and original packaging at home)
20:58 < tsa> hehe
20:58 < fake> + manual =D
20:58 < tsa> fake: pervert.
20:58 < owl> tsa && fake: i have rock installed on 5 GB of the HD!
20:58 < fake> plus i still have GEOS 2.0
20:58 < tsa> owl: total disk space?
20:58 < owl> tsa: no. but i need windoze for work
20:59 < tsa> owl: what else on disk?
20:59 < tsa> aaah!
20:59 < tsa> windoze!
20:59 < owl> win2k
20:59 * fake laughing
20:59 < Mike1> -owl- VERSION mIRC v6.01 Khaled Mardam-Bey
20:59 < owl> yeah ... *lalala*
20:59 < owl> eumex... :-/
20:59 * tsa giving Mac OS to owl. nice and with many colors..
21:00 < fake> owl: USE THE DAMN MODULE!
21:00 < owl> fake: with suse? forget it! never! 
21:00 * fake throws several QNX CDs at owl
21:00 < tsa> -tsa- VERSION mIRC128 v6.66 K.Mardam-Bey
21:00 < owl> thx.
21:00 < tsa> ;-)
21:00 < Mike1> owl you think its better windoze than suse?
21:00 < fake> owl thinks that win2k (M$) is better than SuSE (linux).
21:00 < owl> on which partiotion of my HD was QNX? :P
21:00 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@paradome.de] has joined #rocklinux
21:00 * fake writes that onto big sheet of paper and pins it into the channel
21:00 < tsa> fake: suse is _not_ linux.
21:00 < owl> Mike1: stop.
21:00 < tsa> aszlig!
21:01 < aszlig> hullo
21:01 < Mike1> owl i am serious the module is told to work fine
21:01 < fake> tsa: at least it's GPL-Windows
21:01 < fake> hi aszlig 
21:01 < tsa> hehe
21:01 < Mike1> hey aszlig
21:01 < fake> aszlig, our Mr. Security of the Year
21:02 < owl> i spoke with some guys from "deutsche telekom" on sunday... they screamed and _told_ me that there's no working linux support
21:02 < owl> moin aszlig
21:02 < fake> owl: you don't actually believe them??
21:02 < fake> NEVER EVER EVER believe in ANYTHING someone from the Deutsche Telekom tells you.
21:02 < owl> fake: damn! i also have no _damned_ suse 7.0/7.1/7.2
21:03 < Mike1> owl you should read the "Bastard Operator From Hell" sometime
21:03 < fake> (except if it has to do with anything but telecommuncations)
21:03 < fake> owl: you can handle that
21:03 < fake> Mike1: do you have that URL handy again?
21:03 < Mike1> fake: sure one moment
21:03 < owl> oh i know. they even told me, that eumex is working well... wuah! /me hat just thousand of times corrupted firmware, when receiving calls :-/
21:04 < owl> eh guys, please don't kill me! 
21:04 < fake> owl: how about getting an old ISDN card?
21:04 < fake> i'd have a spare one
21:04 < owl> PCI, ISA? ;)
21:04 < fake> (even PCI =D)
21:04 < owl> fake, how much does it cost? ;)
21:04 < fake> owl: i could lend it to you...
21:05 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux
21:05 < fake> ... in exchange for some "services" *dg*
21:05 < fake> hi netcrow !
21:05 < d3mian> hallo netcrow 
21:05 < Mike1> fake: http://www-personal.umd.umich.edu/~nhughes/bofh/
21:05 < netcrow> hi
21:05 < fake> netcrow: meine firma hat heute Insolven angemeldet
21:05 < tsa> fake: oh, wait - what kind of services are offered here?
21:05 < tsa> ;-)
21:05 < Mike1> there is also system and user stories 
21:05 < owl> fake: hmm... why lend? i really don't wanna know which "services" :P
21:05 < netcrow> oh fake, das is scheiße
21:05 < owl> moin netcrow
21:05 < fake> ssh owl ; cat /etc/services
21:06 < netcrow> i need esden...
21:06 < tsa> uh../me sees a long list.
21:06 < tsa> fake: how many may i pick?
21:06 < tsa> ;-)
21:06 < fake> tsa: anything not containing a "6" in the port number *dg*
21:06 < tsa> fake: *grrr*
21:06 < fake> *harrr*
21:06 < owl> *argh*
21:07 < Mike1> fake: got the URL?
21:07 * owl is going to kill fake and tsa right now!
21:07 < fake> Mike1: yes, thank you!
21:07 < fake> YES!
21:07 < fake> Me first!
21:07 < tsa> owl: why?
21:07 < owl> nothing.
21:07 < Mike1> fake: as you see there are also other stuff :)
21:07 < fake> ah, Mike1, i ment the Eumex URL you cam up with yesterday....
21:07 < Mike1> fake: ah
21:07 < tsa> owl: i'm sorry, but killing for nothing is not acceptable.
21:07 < Mike1> sure mom
21:08 < fake> tsa, owl: i'm fine with being killed for nothing.
21:08 < fake> i live for nothing, so why not be killed for nothing
21:08 < owl> tsa: who knows...
21:09 * tsa killing himself.
21:09 < tsa> :-P
21:09 < tsa> too late, owl ;)
21:09 < owl> tsa: hehe ;) your decision... not mine :P
21:11 < tsa> owl: no, your decision to refuse any kind of service for fake and me.
21:11 < Mike1> fake: http://www.atlas.uni-wuppertal.de/~harenber/old_eumex.html
21:11 < fake> she wouldn't even serve coffee ;(
21:11 < fake> Mike1: thanks
21:11 < owl> tsa: of course.
21:11 < owl> fake: yep.
21:11 < Mike1> fake: you are welcome
21:11 < fake> you are harsh.
21:11 < owl> fake: don't be so lazy
21:12 < owl> ;)
21:12 < tsa> fake: women.. *sigh*
21:12 < owl> tsa: stop! if you would like to survive the day...
21:12 < [anders]> moin
21:12 < owl> hi [anders]
21:13 < Mike1> hi [anders]
21:13 < tsa> "Weiber sind von der Natur zum gemeinschaftlichen Genuß bestimmt."              
21:13 < tsa> (Kapokrates, Frühchrist und Klostergründer) 
21:13 < tsa> *duck*
21:13 < [anders]> moin owl
21:13 < [anders]> moin Mike1 
21:13 < owl> tsa: huete deine zunge! sonst...!!!
21:13 < Mike1> tsa: i think someone is going to kick your ass
21:13 < tsa> ja?
21:13 < tsa> Mike1: estimated distance owl - tsa --> > 300km
21:14 < tsa> must be very long legs, then.
21:14 < Mike1> tsa: hehe
21:14 < owl> tssssssss
21:14 * owl says nothing anymore.
21:14 < fake> owl: das sollte zu schaffen sein.
21:15 < owl> tsa: nee. da gibt es auch noch auftragskiller... (just kiddin')
21:15 < fake> @treiber
21:15 < owl> s,tsa,fake
21:15 < fake> A Frau und a Hund ghern gschlong zu jeda Schtund
21:15 < tsa> fake: fall mir nicht in den Ruecken.
21:15 < fake> ich meinte das eumex-teil
21:15 * Mike1 wonders where is esden
21:15 < tsa> mom
21:15 < owl> fake: eh! 
21:15 < tsa> fake: 
21:15 < tsa> "Bei der Frau muss schon das Bewusstsein vom eigenen Wesen Scham                
21:15 < tsa> hervorrufen." (Clemens Alexandrinus, vor 215)  
21:16 < fake> ah... den Text kenn ich auch
21:16 < tsa> de.talk.jokes
21:16 < fake> hab da mal ne mail bekommen...
21:16 < tsa> ah..
21:17 < owl> tsa: dir gehört mal eine auf den kopf geschlagen. kleine schlaege auf den hinterkopf erhoehen das denkvermoegen. abe wo nix ist, kann nix draus werden...
21:17 * Mike1 away
21:17 < tsa> owl: jajaja! kratz mich, beiss mich, gib mir tiernamen!
21:17 < tsa> ;)
21:17 < fake> tsa: eischhoernsche.
21:17 < owl> tsa: traem weiter
21:18 < tsa> hehe
21:20 * netcrow searches a cheap notebook...(about 2500 euro)
21:20 < Ge0rG> thats not really cheap, isn't it?
21:20 < fake> 2500 is NOT cheap.
21:21 < Mike1> fake i call cheap 500 EU
21:21 * Mike1 wish he could have 2500 EU for a notebook :)
21:21 < fake> 500 EUR depends. 250 is cheap.
21:21 < tsa> depends what you get for your money.
21:21 < tsa> as always.
21:21 < Ge0rG> you could get a notebook for around 1500EUR
21:22 < owl> netcrow: notebook.asuscom.de --> l3c series
21:22 < owl> netcrow: evtl. verkaufe ich auch meines...
21:23 < fake> netcrow: das willst du nicht
21:23 < owl> fake: warum nicht? display etc. geht wieder...
21:23 < fake> owl: ich kann das nich verantworten.
21:23 < owl> fake: warum?
21:23 < fake> ein wort: Gericom
21:23 < owl> fake: *lol*
21:23 < netcrow> *lol*
21:24 < tsa> hehe
21:24 < owl> fake: deshalb will ich ja jetzt evtl. ein asus... na ja... :-/
21:24 < netcrow> entweder ibm, oder compaq..dacht ich mir
21:24 < fake> dell!
21:24 < owl> netcrow: wenn du zu viel geld hast --> ueberweisung an mein schweizer nummernkonto...
21:24 < fake> 0900-666-666 ?
21:24 < owl> fake! ruhe!
21:24 < tsa> owl's tel.nr?
21:25 < tsa> war das nicht was mit 0190? *duck*
21:25 < netcrow> tsa: yes, call it
21:25 < owl> tsa! klappe!
21:25 < tsa> <- being evil.
21:25 * fake amuesiert sich koestlich
21:25 < fake> 3v1l
21:25 < owl> tsa -> will be dead in some minutes.
21:26 < fake> ar you going to shock him to death with... umlauts?
21:26 < tsa> fake: have fun ..
21:26 < tsa> fake: arghs.
21:26 * tsa shudders.
21:26 < owl> umlauts? *confused*
21:26 < fake> and evil little euro signs.
21:26 < tsa> öwl
21:27 < tsa> fäke
21:27 < owl> ah so. hehe :PPP 
21:27 < fake> http://www.linux-laptop.net/
21:27 < tsa> netcröw
21:27 < tsa> hm..
21:27 < owl> ich habe kyrillisch... reicht fuer den anfang... :P
21:27 * tsa still alive.
21:27 * netcrow hat heut früh esden im zug getroffen
21:27 < fake> té-äß-àh
21:27 < tsa> netcrow: 9mm, zwischen die augen?
21:28 < netcrow> nein, in die schulter
21:29 < tsa> zielwasser alle?
21:32 * fake Silke Bischof - I don't love you anymore
21:33 < tsa> "Der wesentliche Wert der Frau liegt in ihrer Gebärfähigkeit und in ihrem       
21:33 < tsa> hauswirtschaftlichen Nutzen." (Thomas von Aquin, Kirchenlehrer, 1225-1275)     
21:33 < tsa> uh.
21:33 < fake> *lol*
21:33 < tsa> <- geht schonmal in deckung
21:33 < fake> oh... No Paradise...
21:33 * owl ist sprachlos!
21:33 < fake> that song is great
21:33 < owl> tsa! 
21:33 < owl> kill!
21:33 < tsa> owl!
21:33 < tsa> hehe
21:34 < tsa> nofx - kill all the white men?
21:34 < netcrow> fake: ACK
21:34 < owl> vorsicht tsa. ich bin heute in massenmoerderlaune... wenn blicke toeten koennten... na ja...
21:34 < fake> netcrow: i'll queue The Sparrows and the Nightingales up as next
21:34 < Mike1>             ,__,
21:34 < Mike1>             (--)____
21:34 < Mike1>             (__)    )\
21:34 < Mike1>            ~o/ ||--|| *
21:34 < fake>  
21:35 < netcrow> wolfsheun?
21:35 < netcrow> wolfsheim
21:35 < tsa> nice.
21:35 < fake> netcrow: ja
21:35 < tsa> one cow and 1kg of weed
21:35 < tsa> (weed inside of cow)
21:35 < fake> tsa: makes up for a hot night.
21:36 < tsa> fake: THE COW????
21:36 < fake> both ;-)
21:36 < tsa> hahaha
21:36 * Mike1 imagines a cow made of weed in staed of bones meat and hair
21:36 < tsa> Mike1: i'd like a steak, then ;-)
21:37 < Mike1> tsa: hehe me too, anyone else?
21:37 < fake> hm... geraeuchertes rinderfilet
21:37 < fake> btw, tsa, do you know "Misery Science Theatre 3000" ?
21:38 < tsa> fake: nope.
21:38 < fake> Mystery? Misery? whatever
21:38 < fake> tsa: get it!
21:38 < tsa> will do.
21:38 < fake> (it's a movie=
21:40 < fake> dividing water from the burning fire...
21:40 < tsa> nice.
21:41 < tsa> oh-oh.
21:41 < tsa> "Das ganze (weibliche) Geschlecht ist schwach und leichtsinnig. Sie finden      
21:41 < tsa> das Heil nur durch die Kinder." (Johannes Chrysostomos, hl., 349-407, gr.       
21:41 < tsa> Kirchenlehrer)
21:41 < tsa> *DUCK*
21:41 < fake> *applaudier*
21:41 * owl sacht jetzt gar nix mehr
21:41 < tsa> *verneig*
21:42 < fake> da capo!
21:42 < owl> tsa: deine einzige taetigkeit: bloede sprueche von dir geben! herzlichen glueckwunsch
21:42 < tsa> *G*
21:42 < fake> owl: das kann er dafuer aber ganz gut.
21:42 < tsa> owl: die sind ja nicht von mir.
21:42 < esden> re hi all
21:42 < tsa> ich zitiere hier nur..
21:42 < owl> fake: stimmt. _etwas_ kann man immer..
21:42 < tsa> esden!
21:42 < fake> re esden 
21:42 < owl> fake: notfalls lesen...
21:43 < Mike1> re hi esden
21:43 * fake can't read
21:43 < tsa> fake: erhm...what exactly is "read"?
21:43 * fake netcrow DAS IS GEIL!!! schick das mal der owl
21:43 < fake> i didn't implement it
21:44 < fake> i only implemented open, write, and release.
21:44 < owl> fake: ich ahne boeses
21:44 < tsa> flock()
21:44 < fake> oO
21:44 < fake> das sollte ne /msg werden. egal.
21:44 < fake> geht um ein notebook
21:44 < tsa> fake: egaaaal.
21:44 < d3mian> cu later guys
21:44 < tsa> cu d3mian
21:44 < fake> cu d3mian 
21:44 < tsa> fake: kiffen macht gleichgueltig.
21:44 -!- d3mian is now known as d3m|away
21:45 < fake> tsa: egaaaal....
21:45 < netcrow> 
21:45 < netcrow> shit, vergessen nen screen aufzumachen
21:45 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit ("screeeeeen")
21:45 < fake> ^A^C
21:45 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux
21:45 < tsa> reality check.
21:46 < tsa> screen is in front of me.
21:46 < tsa> ok.
21:46 < tsa> passed.
21:46 < fake> checking wether tsa is sane.... failed.
21:46 < tsa> never claimed anything else..
21:47 < fake> checking wether he claime elsewise... no.
21:47 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@pD9590C7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:47 < fake> hi chrisime 
21:47 < chrisime> tag
21:48 < fake>  /tag
21:48 < tsa> hi chrisime
21:48 < chrisime> hoi
21:48 < owl> hi chrisime
21:48 < chrisime> hi *
21:48 < chrisime> :P
21:50 * fake is driving home
21:50 < tsa> fake: more weed and fly
21:50 < netcrow> fake: /home ;-)
21:51 < fake> tsa: later... the evening is young... ;)
21:51 < tsa> fake: looking for young girls, then? ;-)
21:52 < owl> ./ignore tsa
21:54 -!- simon-- [~simon@pD951E268.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:54 < tsa> owl: have fun with fake, then
21:54 < tsa> ;-)
21:54 < owl> tsa: i will not have fun with him!
21:55 < tsa> owl: you don't have to deny this, i better don't want to knwo ;-)
21:55 * [anders] is now starting to get very fscking pissed off with VMware...
21:55 < tsa> [anders]: hehe
21:55 < Mike1> [anders]: what do you need vmware for?
21:55 < owl> tsa! du lebst heute extrem gefaehrlich!
21:56 < [anders]> Mike1: WinNT..
21:56 < Mike1> [anders]: eeww :((
21:57 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@attila.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de] has joined #rocklinux
21:57 < holyolli> hi
21:58 < tsa> olli.
21:58 < holyolli> tsa.
21:58 < tsa> alter mann.
21:58 < holyolli> ARGS
21:58 < holyolli> .oO(hab ich tsa's geburtstag verpasst??)
21:59 < esden> hi holyolli 
21:59 < tsa> ich weiss nicht.
21:59 < holyolli> hi esden
21:59 < owl> hi holyolli
21:59 < holyolli> hi owl
22:02 < [anders]> It has taken me 30 minute to get WinNT fscking working on the network.. 'Cause of course the fscking shite requires a reboot every fscking time you fscking touch the fscking network settings, doesn't it!
22:02 < [anders]> pardon me french..
22:03 < esden> ohh tsa was in bchat ... cool ... ;-) and Mike1 .. hehe
22:03 < tsa> esden: evil takeover.
22:03 < tsa> ok. one question answered now.
22:04 < tsa> it gets logged.
22:04 < tsa> ;)
22:04 < esden> tsa: hehe ... and what do you think about our ill webchat ?
22:05 < tsa> esden: it's nice.
22:06 < esden> tsa: thanks ... nice ... hmm
22:06 < esden> it is very ... "aussagekraeftig"
22:06 < tsa> esden: you have the logfile?
22:06 -!- simon- [~simon@p50874EE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Success)
22:06 < esden> hmm ... yes .. I have to look in it ;-)
22:06 < tsa> esden: grep for *esign*
22:07 < esden> kk
22:07 -!- simon-- is now known as simon-
22:07 < tsa> esden: hehe ;)
22:08 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pD9522C0C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:08 < tsa> hi bluefire
22:08 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit ("leaving")
22:08 < bluefire> re
22:08 < holyolli> hi bluefire
22:12 < holyolli> hehe
22:15 < [anders]> night night all..
22:15 < holyolli> god nat anders
22:16 < [anders]> I'm fed up with WinNT and going to go bed.. Gnome2 still working fine though.. ;-)
22:16 < esden> hi bluefire 
22:16 < [anders]> got natt holyolli 
22:16 < [anders]> god even.. :-D
22:16 < holyolli> :)
22:21 < holyolli> cya
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22:28 < th> nennt mir mal einer ein pipe-filter, der die ersten n-zeilen verschluckt?
22:29 < th> s,ein ,einen ,
22:30 < tsa> hm...
22:30 < tsa> keine ahnung. 
22:30 < tsa> perl -np
22:30 < th> naeh kein perl
22:30 < th> dann schon lieber awk
22:30 < tsa> oder irgendwie was mit tee/btee basteln
22:30 < th> awk waer ja kein problem oder einen counter in bash
22:31 < tsa> perl ist performance-technisch eigentlich dafuer auch overkill.
22:31 < tsa> komisch. 
22:31 < tsa> klingt nach einer recht einfachen sache - wundert mich, dass es sowas noch nicht in fertig gibt.
22:32 < th> ich koennte natuerlich erst per head die zeilen nehmen und dann ein grep -v machen... aber das ist krank
22:32 < tsa> jupp.
22:32 < th> dann wohl doch ein bash counter
22:32 < tsa> soweit war ich auch schon grade...aber head selber kennt leider kein inverses matching...
22:32 < Ge0rG> th: tail kann das auch.
22:32 < th> Ge0rG: woa?
22:33 < th> gnaa
22:33 < th> Ge0rG: wie?
22:33 < Ge0rG>        If the first character of N (the number of bytes or lines)
22:33 < Ge0rG>        is a `+', print beginning with the Nth item from the start
22:33 < Ge0rG>        of  each  file
22:33 < th> ahh
22:33 < th> +
22:33 < th> danke Ge0rG 
22:33 < Ge0rG> :)
22:35 * -> esden reading bchat log ;-)
22:38 < fake> jaaaa....
22:39 * fake freut sich ueber seine neuen suessen gizmos
22:43 < tsa> ?
22:44 < th> how to cut fields delimited by random number of delimitors?
22:45 < th> a,,b,c should become a list of a, b and c
22:49 < fake> th: sed -e s/,(.[,]+)/,/
22:50 < fake> or something
22:50 < th> fake: yea i'm trying to subst each sequence of space or tab by a single comma now
22:51 < th> echo "a                   b   c" | sed 's/^[^ \t]+[ ]+.*$/foo/'
22:51 < th> *confused*
22:51 < th> that does not match
22:51 * th is doing something wrong.
22:52 < th> sed 's/^[^ ]+.*$/foo/'
22:52 < th> hmm 
22:53 < th> shouldn't that match each line starting with non-whitespace?
22:54 < Ge0rG> th: you're thinking too complicated ;) s/[ \t]+/,/g
22:54 < fake> ^
22:54 < th> Ge0rG: that does not work
22:54 < th> th.segfault ~/tmp/tmp > echo "a                   b   c" | sed 's/[ \t]+/,/g'
22:54 < th> a                 b   c
22:55 -!- h0h0 [~hoho@dhcp024-210-222-139.woh.rr.com] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
22:55 < Ge0rG> georg@morbo:~$ echo "a                   b   c" | sed 's/[ \t][ \t]*/,/g'
22:55 < Ge0rG> a,b,c
22:55 < Ge0rG> seems that sed doesn't know +
22:55 < fake> \+ ?
22:55 * Mike1 away
22:55 < Ge0rG> \+ works
22:55 < th> it doesn't seem to replace tabs, Ge0rG 
22:56 * fake gets a pint.
22:56 < fake> point, that is
22:56 < th> Ge0rG: but if i use ^V<TAB> instead of \t it works
22:56 < Ge0rG> th: replace \t by ^V^T
22:56 < Ge0rG> ah...
22:56 < Ge0rG> uhm... ^V^I
22:56 < th> that is sttrange
23:01 < tsa> Schaffe, schaffe Häusle baue
23:01 < tsa> und allweil nach Bier und Mädle schaue.
23:01 < tsa> hehe
23:01 < tsa> @aszlig
23:02 < fake> damn it
23:03 < fake> i need a better scsi cable :(
23:03 < SMP> sed does not support +
23:03 < tsa> the old one doesn't fit your ide drive?
23:03 < chrisime> und i brauch a bier!
23:03 < tsa> ;-)
23:03 < SMP> sed only supports basic regexps
23:03 < SMP> the differences are documented in regex.7
23:03 < fake> tsa: i err.... fixed it. it now fits ide drives. but my notebook drive... *arghl*
23:04 < fake> hi SMP, btw.
23:04 < esden> re fake
23:04 < fake> re esden!
23:04 < th> thanks smp
23:05 * fake ueberlegt grade wie man SMP's Namen aussprechen muss, damit ein S ein M und ein P in der richtigen reihenfolge vorkommen....
23:05 < fake> Stefam ?
23:05 < fake> ;-)
23:05 < owl> re
23:05 < tsa> "stefan m(?ichael) paletta"
23:06 < fake> tsa: i thought about that too.
23:06 < SMP> Martin. aber das wollt ihr nicht wissen.
23:06 < th> *notier*
23:06 < tsa> hehe
23:06 < tsa> okok.. ;)
23:06 < fake>  /topic ... ? ;))
23:06 < tsa> <- von zweitnamen verschont gebleiben..
23:06 * fake ist jetzt mehr wert, weil klueger.
23:06 < tsa> s,ei,ie,
23:07 < fake> <-- auch
23:07 < tsa> fake: ich will dich trotzdem nicht kaufen.
23:07 < tsa> :-P
23:07 < fake> zwietnamen?
23:07 < tsa> NARF.
23:07 < fake> der pinky der pinky der pinky und der tsa a a a a...
23:08 < tsa> lol.
23:08 * SMP vermutet, tsa hat den s,,, operator so ueberladen, dass er nur fehlerhafte Stellen ersetzt ;>
23:08 < tsa> ich bin mir nicht sicher, ob diese welt es wert ist, nach weltherrschaft zu streben...
23:08 < fake> tsa: ack.
23:09 < SMP> natuerlich ist eine Welt in der ich nicht die Weltherrschaft habe das nicht wert,.
23:09 < fake> *LOL*
23:09 < tsa> hehe
23:09 < fake> SMP: brauchst nen AZUBI bei WROnline?
23:10 < SMP> [X] das will keiner
23:10 < th> SMP: schon vom letzten erholt?
23:10 < th> ;>
23:10 < SMP> (also, hier Azubi sein)
23:10 < fake> :P
23:10 < SMP> th: NACK
23:11 < tsa> vollautomatischer kaffee-mech ersetzt azubi.
23:11 < esden> fake: suchst neue azubi stelle?
23:11 < fake> ich koennte natuerlich auch fuer ein astronomisches gehalt arbeiten...
23:11 < tsa> hehe.
23:11 < tsa> ...aber hier muesste mal wieder geputzt werden... fake?
23:11 < fake> stimmt.
23:11 < th> fake: ab einem gehalt < 0 wird es interessant
23:12 < fake> auf gehts... o*mundzuhalt*
23:12 < th> ausbildung kostet eben was
23:12 < fake> th: das hab ich jetz schon - ich will aufsteigen.
23:12 < SMP> . o O ( th spekuliert mit signed/unsigned overflows? )
23:12 < th> fake: dann ist der naechste schritt wohl gehalt = 0
23:12 < th> SMP: nein. ich stand auf der seite des arbeitgebers
23:13 < fake> th: in der ausbildung is gehalt immer = 0
23:13 < fake> es is ne ausbildungs_verguetung_ :P
23:13 -!- chrisime_ [~chrisime@p50803837.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
23:13 < th> fake: blah
23:13 < fake> selba blah
23:14 < fake> naja... wenigstens bin ich nicht arbeitslos
23:14 < fake> hab dummerweise vergessen vor der lehre mein gewerbe abzumelden... tja...
23:14 < SMP> huh
23:15 < tsa> hehe
23:16 < tsa> modutils 2.4.18 
23:18 < fake> hm...
23:19 < fake> frage: Was ist schlecht daran, beim FIT zu arbeiten?
23:19 < tsa> FIT?
23:19 < fake> Fraunhofer Institut
23:19 < tsa> ah
23:20 < fake> Forscher... sind halt alle total unstressig...
23:20 < fake> koennte leicht langweilig werden
23:21 < fake> bloss wenn lauter Profs um mich rum sind komm ich mir immer so dumm vor...
23:21 < th> fake: quark
23:21 < fake> okay, das liegt nicht an den Profs ;)
23:21 < th> fake: schlecht daran ist das wenige geld
23:22 < th> fake: und in fraunhofer instituten gibt es nicht ueberwiegend profs
23:22 < fake> th: das is relativ... ich wuerde genausoviel kriegen wie jetzt
23:22 < th> sondern ueberwiegend hiwis
23:22 < fake> th: das is Birlinghoven -> Ex-GMD-Pulk
23:22 < th> fake: du hast von fraunhofern allgemein gesprochen
23:23 < fake> th: ja... aber ex-GMD-Fraunhofer is halt noch ziemlich GMDig ;-)
23:23 < fake> und GMD sind viele Profs
23:23 < fake> oder lieber bei Sun?
23:25 < th> fake: in dem fraunhofer in dem ich arbeite gibt es verhaeltnismaessig wenige profs
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23:25 < fake> ah! ein insider ;)
23:25 < fake> th: is das auch ex-GMD?
23:26 < th> fake: nein
23:26 < fake> hm...
23:27 < fake> was is denn das schlimmste an deiner arbeit? 
23:27 < fake> (schlimmste = nervigste)
23:29 < fake> th: oder... hast du da ne ausbildung gemacht?
23:31 < esden> fake: schoene gruesse vom hepla 
23:32 < fake> esden: und zurueck!
23:32 < esden> fake: ausgerichtet
23:32 < fake> wahrscheinlich habe ich eh keine wahl...
23:32 < fake> wer will mich schon :_: also einstellen 
23:33 < esden> also ich will dich ;-) naja einstellen ... ich kann dich fuer einen cent pro monat einstellen ;-)
23:33 < tsa> esden: hm....
23:33 < tsa> ..und was soll er dann den ganzen tag lang machen?
23:33 < esden> ehhmm .... das willst du nicht wissen *muahaha*
23:34 * fake hat angst
23:35 * tsa reicht esden mal die vaseline.
23:35 < tsa> viel spass..
23:36 < tsa> fake: du hast mein vollstes mitleid.. ;)
23:37 < esden> fake: keine angst das wird dir bestimmt gefallen!!!
23:37 < esden> danke tsa werde ich brauchen koennen
23:38 < tsa> hehe
23:38 < tsa> esden: fake ist pleotzlich irgendwie so ruhig geworden...
23:38 < tsa> komisch ...
23:38 < tsa> s,eo,oe,
23:39 < th> fake: nein
23:39 < th> fake: das schlimmste ist nur das wenige geld ;)
23:39 < esden> tsa: ok ... ich bin dann ruhig vielleicht sagt er dann wieder etwas
23:40 < tsa> hehe
23:40 < tsa> wer weiss, vielleicht hebn wir ihn nun ein wenig eingeschuechtert..
23:40 < tsa> ;)
23:43 < th> verdammt nochmal kann wget denn ein file nicht einfach nur antesten ob es da ist?
23:43 < th> muss es denn immer gleich downloaden?
23:44 < tsa> --spider
23:44 < th> dachte ich auch
23:44 < tsa> tut nich?
23:44 < tsa> hier klappt's. 
23:45 < th> hmm ich dachte ich haette damit probleme mit single files
23:45 < tsa> holt sich nen http 200 response code ab und dann war's das.
23:45 -!- ringo78 [ringo78@xs3.xs4all.nl] has joined #rocklinux
23:46 < th> tsa: das scheint bei ftp nicht zu gehen
23:46 < th> fuer http ist es ok
23:46 < ringo78> anybody know how to filter all port 139 fragments from eth0 (==> no acces to smb on inet)?
23:47 < tsa> hm...tatsache, bei ftp geht's nicht.
23:47 < tsa> hm..
23:47 < th> da gibts ja auch keine response codes in der form
23:48 < th> und --quota geht nicht fuer single-files
23:50 < fake> ringo78: iptables -A INPUT (or FORWARD) -p udp -s 0/0 --dport 139 -j DROP
23:50 < fake> or something like that?
23:50 < fake> th: curl?
23:51 < th> fake: kenn ich nich
23:52 < fake> th: never started scripts/Download in 1.7?
23:52 < th> fake: never had a look at 1.78
23:52 < th> fake: never had a look at 1.7
23:52 < fake> hm.
23:52 < ringo78> thanks fake !
23:52 < fake> curl is something like wget - but much more features
23:52 < fake> ringo78: it works?
23:53 < th> fake: there is no curl in 1.5
23:53 < th> :-/
23:53 < esden> not yet th 
23:54 < ringo78> dunni fake: only got to spec an iface, but thanks !
23:54 < th> esden: i intended to write a scripts/Check that checks downloadability of files 
23:54 < fake> th: yeah, i know. i notice it everytime i start a build of 1.7 on a new amchine.,
23:54 < th> so it would be great to have very low requirements
23:54 < esden> th: hmm ... I think that there is already something clifford wrote 
23:54 < fake> th: have a look at 1.7
23:54 < fake> there is such a script IIRC.
23:54 < th> fake: using curl i suppose
23:55 < tsa> hm.
23:56 < th> hmmm i could wget the url to be tested to stdout and use a tricky filter to stop after few bytes
23:57 < th> wget -O - ... | od | head -2
23:58 < th> Cannot write to `...' (Broken pipe).
23:58 < th> and i would need the exit status
23:58 < huebi> re
23:58 < huebi> hi all
23:58 < Mike1> re huebi
23:58 < huebi> hi Mike1 
23:58 < th> hi huebi
23:59 < huebi> hi th 
23:59 < huebi> esden: Did you get the 1.5.17 ISO for i586?
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