--- Log opened Tue Jul 23 00:00:23 2002
--- Day changed Tue Jul 23 2002
00:00 < Mike1> huebi: i will get in a while if you are interested
00:01 * owl leaves you now.
00:01 < tsa> cu owl
00:01 < Mike1> n8 owl
00:01 < owl> gn8. cu
00:02 < huebi> cu owl
00:02 < fake> hm...
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00:02 < fake> i suppose it's bad if a power supply makes sounds like a bird
00:02 < fake> tsip tsip tsip...
00:02 < tsa> *gaehn*
00:03 < huebi> fake: Hochspannungsueberschlaege....
00:03 < fake> aha?
00:03 < fake> ich akzeptiere das als nicht gut.
00:03 < huebi> jo
00:03 < fake> hm :-/
00:04 < fake> shit.
00:04 < huebi> Kaputt. Normales Netzteil?
00:04 < fake> was kann ich dagegen tun?
00:04 < fake> Notebook
00:04 * fake schreibt "Hochspannungsueberschlaege verboten!" auf die Innenseite
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00:05 < huebi> fake: Mir schicken wenn Rauch raus und damit funktionslos. Ich kenne hier den Volker, der bastelt sowas wieder zurecht.
00:06 < fake> huebi: ich gugg ma ob ich nochn passendes bekomm, und wenn nicht, wuerde ich mit freuden darauf zureuckkommen
00:06 < fake> die sin so schweineteuer die netzteile einzeln :-/
00:07 < huebi> genau. Und Volker ist ein Geizprofi.
00:08 < fake> kewl ;)
00:09 < huebi> hm. Bind needs a init-script.
00:10 < fake> hm... was lohnt sich denn noch auf ner anderen partition auszulagern?
00:10 < fake>  /usr und /var und /boot hab ich schon XD
00:11 < th> /usr/src/rock-src
00:11 < fake> th: /rock
00:11 < fake> ;)
00:15 < esden> huebi: yes I got it but it is too big for a cd
00:15 < huebi> esden: 700MB Rohlinge!
00:15 < esden> huebi: and it seems that my burner is not really worknig
00:15 < esden> huebi: but the iso is 704MB or so
00:17 < fake> should work...
00:17 < huebi> world:~$ du -sm /home/rockwww/download.rocklinux.de/htdocs/1.5/1.5.17/rock-ia32-i586-base+opt-1.5.17.iso
00:17 < huebi> 675     /home/rockwww/download.rocklinux.de/htdocs/1.5/1.5.17/rock-ia32-i586-base+opt-1.5.17.iso
00:17 < esden> huebi: o_O
00:17 < huebi> -rw-r--r--   1 huebi    users    705527808 Jul 18 22:10 rock-ia32-i586-base+opt-1.5.17.iso
00:18 < huebi> esden: What is your problem with the ISO?
00:18 < esden> hmm ... ok ... I was stupid ... sorry
00:18 * fake sings: esden's burner is gone, esden's burner is gone!
00:18 < esden> like always
00:19 < huebi> esden: AEtsch! ;>
00:19 < esden> ok I feel guilty
00:19 < fake>  Timing buffer-cache reads:   128 MB in  0.88 seconds =145.45 MB/sec
00:19 < fake> woo!
00:20 < fake> err...
00:20 < fake> well... it's the same on all devices ;)
00:21 < huebi> fake tests the L3 cache of his CPU...
00:22 < Mike1> ok guys i go to the movies with my girl now
00:22 < Mike1> see you tomorrow
00:22 < huebi> cu Mike1 
00:22 * tsa going to test usabilty of /dev/bed
00:22 < huebi> have fun
00:22 < fake> cu Mike1!
00:22 < fake> n8 tsa 
00:22 < tsa> *yawn*
00:22 < tsa> cu all.
00:22 < tsa> have fun, mike.
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00:23 < tsa> ..
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00:26 < fake> brb
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01:08 < esden> ahh cold coffee ... yum yum
01:18 < th> huebi: ich kann nasm nicht bauen :-/
01:18 < th> This package is only needed for lilo on ia32. Therefore no build on intel.
01:20 < huebi> th: Therefore no build on intel - must be: Therefore no build on ia32
01:21 < th> huebi: so what should i do if i want to have nasm?
01:22 < huebi> change ROCKCFG_ARCH in Config ti "ia32"
01:22 < huebi> change ROCKCFG_ARCH in Config to "ia32"
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01:23 < th> > Can't auto-dedect srctar for package 'nasm'!
01:23 < th> /var/adm/logs/5-nasm.out -> 5-nasm.err
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01:23 < huebi> huebi@zeus:/mnt/disk/rock-linux$ ll base-archive/nasm/
01:23 < huebi> total 512
01:23 < huebi> -rw-rw-r--    1 root     root       517229 Jul  8 03:13 nasm-0.98.34.tar.bz2
01:23 < th> root.segfault /usr/src/rock-src # ll base-archive/nasm/
01:23 < th>  512 -rw-r--r--    1 root     root       517229 Jun  9 00:50 nasm-0.98.34.tar.bz2
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01:24 < huebi> huebi@zeus:/mnt/disk/rock-linux$ cat base-config/nasm/nasm.pz
01:24 < huebi> ---- scripts/packages 990.981
01:24 < huebi> o --3-5- dev    nasm                    0.98.34                 "free"
01:24 < huebi> ---- base-archive/INDEX 1
01:24 < huebi> 2754633639 nasm/nasm-0.98.34.tar.bz2 http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/nasm/
01:24 < th> ---- scripts/packages 990.981
01:24 < th> o --3-5- dev    nasm                    0.98.34                 "free"
01:24 < th> ---- base-archive/INDEX 1
01:24 < th> 2754633639 nasm/nasm-0.98.34.tar.bz2 http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/nasm/
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01:33 < huebi> th: and does it work?
01:33 < th> huebi: no
01:33 < th> huebi: i removed base-config/nasm/ now it works
01:33 < huebi> ROCKCFG_ARCH must be ia32
01:34 < th> it is
01:34 < th> i changed that
01:34 < huebi> cvs up scripts/Config
01:34 < huebi> cat Version ?
01:35 < th> don't wanna frighten you
01:35 < th> root.segfault /usr/src/rock-src # cat VERSION 
01:35 < th> ROCK Linux 1.5.13_2002-04-04_21h08
01:35 < th> root.segfault /usr/src/rock-src # cat /etc/ROCK-LINUX 
01:35 < th> ROCK Linux 1.4.0 i686 (native, 2001/04/28)
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01:36 < huebi> 1.5.13_2002-04-04_21h08 <- update all to 1.5.17
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01:43 < th> huebi: i don't want to update everything just to have nasm
01:43 < huebi> th: then delete nasm.conf
01:44 < th> that resulted in "Can't auto-dedect srctar for package 'nasm'!"
01:45 < huebi> do you have the source?
01:47 < th> 01:33:45 < th> huebi: i removed base-config/nasm/ now it works
01:47 < th> huebi: of course i have the source. scripts/Download worked well
02:07 < esden> can someone tell me the url of the rolling rock ?
02:08 * chrisime_ rolls and rocks
02:08 < chrisime_> ..to bed
02:08 < chrisime_> night dudles
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02:08 < esden> n8 chriZzzz 
02:09 < chriZzzz> jo
02:30 < fake> re.
02:32 < fake> *phew*
02:32 * fake hates those power connectors inside of a peeceee
02:32 < fake> there are never enough.
02:33 < fake> ich hab schon 3 verdoppeldinger dran...
02:33 < fake> so. und jetz bett,
02:34 < fake> gute nacht zusammen.
02:34 < fake> *wink*
02:40 < esden> n8 fake 
02:40 < esden> hmm ... ich werde es dann auch langsam packen
02:40 < esden> n8 beieinand
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06:22 < huebi> moin
08:38 < [anders]> moin
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09:02 < tsa> moin.
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09:25 < tsa> *gaehn*
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09:37 < bluefire> moin moin
09:41 < fake> re.
09:41 < fake> eh, moin.
09:43 < [anders]> guten morgen folks.. hope everybody got a better sleep than I did... I felt this morning like I had drunk way to much last night, and all I had was a cup of tea.. :-/
09:44 < fake> [anders]: morning. believe me, i know how you feel...
09:44 < fake> <- same -_-
09:45 < [anders]> x_x more like it but never mind.... :-)
09:46 < fake> :_:
09:51 < tsa> hi bluefire, [anders], Freak
09:51 < tsa> hi fake
09:52 * tsa fighting against php.
09:52 < [anders]> moin tsa.. why are you fighting PHP, I thought people liked it.. :)
09:52 < tsa> (trying to update RH 6.2 server)
09:53 < tsa> [anders]: i do not code php stuff, but i have to update the php package itself...
09:53 < [anders]> tsa: you have my condoleances.. I know just how bloody annoying RedHat is to try and do anything with.. :)
09:53 < tsa> indeed.
09:53 < tsa> now imagine a RH 6.2 (!!), updated and updated and updated...
09:53 < tsa> this is _not_ fun..
09:54 < [anders]> Much the same way that SuSE quickly becomes a pain in the arse to deal with as that nasty thing called YaST gets in the way of even the simplest little alteration to the configuration files..
09:54 < tsa> yeah..
09:54 < tsa> yast doesn't even tolerate changes in /etv/resolv.conf ..
09:54 < tsa> s,v,c
09:54 < [anders]> tsa: RedHat 7.3 does appear to be reasonably okay to use as long as you don't have to maintain it..
09:55 < [anders]> tsa: tell me about it, why do you think I moved from SuSE to ROCK?
09:55 < tsa> [anders]: i don't like RH at all, most rpm dependencies are just fucked up..
09:55 < tsa> [anders]: oh, i started with suse because someone else recommended it.
09:56 < tsa> i found out suse doesn't like things to be changed the way i'd like things to be done, so i switched over to redhat
09:56 < tsa> 6.2 it was, too.
09:56 < tsa> i was fine with RH for some time, although i found the dependencies quite disturbing.
09:57 * fake started with Slackware
09:57 < fake> hi tsa!
09:57 < tsa> so i started compiling a lot of stuff on my own...
09:57 < [anders]> I used RedHat when I first got in touch with Linux. Because it came as a cover-CD with a magazine.. Then I tried TurboLinux.. (no thanks..) and then SuSE as SuSE did at the time (v 5.3) appear to do what I wanted..
09:58 < tsa> the next problem turned up: self-compiled stuff doesn't appear in the rpm database, so installing additional rpm's is a pain in the arse.
09:58 < [anders]> tsa: that's the point where you either drop RPM completely or start using --force --nodeps... ;-D
09:58 < tsa> i had fucked up a lot of header files etc in the meanwhile, and the system really needed a reinstall. so i had to decide whether to stay with something rpm-based or compile stuff on my own..
09:59 < tsa> [anders]: ack.
09:59 < [anders]> been there, done that.. I had to wait to get a sufficently fast box that I could compile ROCK on...
09:59 < tsa> a friend of mine gave me a rock cd, and i found it easy to use and suitable for my needs..
10:00 < tsa> that's the story so far..
10:00 < [anders]> I was using SuSE 6.3 to build ROCK 1.3.9 and 1.3.10 on, then I re-installed with ROCK, and that's where I built 1.4.0. Now I am looking to upgrade to 1.6.0 when it appears..
10:01 < tsa> ./.libs/libphp4.a(dba_db2.o): In function `dba_open_db2':
10:01 < tsa> dba_db2.o(.text+0x148): undefined reference to `db_open'
10:01 < tsa> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
10:01 < tsa> make[1]: *** [php] Error 1
10:01 < tsa> and now i'm here trying to update php4 on this damn RH boxen and it's just fucking b0rken.
10:01 < tsa> *sigh*
10:02 < fake> tsa: dba? o_O?
10:02 * fake doesn't know what to write into June's report
10:02 < tsa> db_open undefined ref, probably because of glibc 2.1.3
10:02 < fake> Ouch!!
10:03 < tsa> did i ever mention glibc sucks?
10:03 < tsa> ;)
10:03 * [anders] noticed that Debian Woody updated libc to 2.2.5 yesterday...
10:03 < [anders]> or something to that effect anyways..
10:03 < fake> hm... i could write... abooouuut.... hmm.... 
10:03 < tsa> hehe
10:04 < fake> cybersex?
10:04 < fake> nein, kommt doof bei der IHK. nur alte saecke.
10:04 < fake> (ausserdem bin ich ja noch cyber-jungfrau)
10:05 * fake having a cigarette
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10:11 < tsa> next try, building php.
10:20 < tsa> grr.
10:20 < tsa> libtool sucks.
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10:24 < ringo78> morgen alle !
10:25 < tsa> hi ringo78
10:26 < fake> morgen, ringo78 
10:37 < ringo78> hi fake !
10:37 < ringo78> hi tsa !
10:45 < tsa> error in loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/php/20020429/imap.so: undefined symbol: ssl_onceonlyinit
10:45 < tsa> NAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRFFFFFF
10:45 * tsa eating keyboard
10:45 < [anders]> *g* 
10:45 < fake> imap ??
10:45 < fake> what the hell do you do?
10:45 < fake> php: configure --disable-everything --enable-mysql
10:45 < [anders]> fake: he is eating his keyboard.. don't expect a rapid response... ;-)
10:46 < tsa> hehe
10:46 < tsa> fake: php-ext-imap
10:46 < fake> --enable-ldap in my case, but --disable-ssl
10:46 < fake> tsa: wtf do you need that for?
10:46 < fake> you don't really......
10:46 < fake> are using an 3v1l webmail system?
10:47 < fake> == 10:40:49 =[1]=> Building base/gcc2 [2.95.3 1.7.0-DEV-200207221835].
10:47 < fake> == 07/23/02 10:44:32 =[1]=> Finished building package gcc2.
10:47 < fake> woot!
10:47 * tsa not. but damn customer does.
10:47 < fake> ;-)
10:47 < fake> tsa: kill -9 customer
10:48 < tsa> ACK ACK ACK.
10:48 < tsa> or -11.
10:48 < fake> tsa wird zun chicken
10:49 < tsa> hehe
10:49 < tsa> hm.... is it possible to use php 4.2.2, with just php-ext-imap still from 4.2.1?
10:50 * tsa has never used php..
10:50 < fake> hm... try to dl() the old module
10:50 < fake> might need some binary-patching, though ;-)
10:50 < tsa> arghs.
10:50 < fake> tsa: just include ssl
10:50 < fake> it should work then
10:51 < tsa> imap extension already uses -lssl
10:51 < fake> ah. then get a newer version of -lssl.
10:52 < tsa> and then recompile mod_ssl? apache (EAPI-interface), ...
10:52 < tsa> erhm.
10:52 < tsa> no.
10:52 < fake> yes.
10:52 < fake> other choices
10:52 < fake> ?
10:52 < tsa> suicide.
10:52 < fake> because of IMAP?
10:52 < fake> never.
10:53 < tsa> hehe...ok
10:53 < tsa> just sit and wait for bankrupt. it's not my firm...
10:53 < tsa> ;)=
10:53 < fake> ;)
10:53 < fake> switch their mailserver to pop3 silently.
10:54 < tsa> hehe
10:54 < fake> and re-kotz part of the php code.
10:56 < fake> tsa: you could install a newer version of the ssl libs in /usr/local/lib
10:56 < fake> and tell php to explicitely link against that
10:57 < fake> (as php does NOT use apaches ssl EAPI Interface IIRC)
10:57 < fake> or mod_ssl
10:58 * fake having another cigarette (booooored....)
10:58 < tsa> fake: not interested in that, too. it's not a remote exploit, and i'm getting badly paid here, too. no need to risk the rest of my day..
10:58 < fake> tsa: hehe.
10:58 < fake> good solution ;)
11:05 < fake> ah...
11:06 < fake> jetzt weiss ich warum sich die musik in letzter zeit sp komisch anhoert
11:06 < fake> scheiss Mono-Stereo-Umschalter am Kopfhoerer XD
11:06 < huebi> *g*
11:07 < fake> wir brauchen n' ROCK webradio
11:22 < tsa> ich brauch mal urlaub.
11:22 < fake> hm...
11:22 < huebi> tsa: 2 Monate sind von mir genemigt.
11:23 * fake hat etz dann ganz lange urlaub -_-
11:23 < tsa> huebi: danke.
11:23 < tsa> ./quit und wech ;-)
11:23 < tsa> fake: hm?
11:23 < fake> tsa: firma weg
11:24 < tsa> uh.
11:26 < tsa> warum machst du denn sowas?
11:27 < fake> ich?
11:27 < tsa> hehe
11:27 < tsa> man weiss ja nie.. ;)
11:28 < tsa> hm.....ganz schoen tot heute..
11:28 < tsa> irgendwie gar nichts los..
11:29 < fake> tj0r.
11:31 * fake Goethes Erben - Ich moechte nicht laenger
11:32 < fake> ich sah den tod... laecheln...
11:34 < fake> Goethes Erben sind krass... das ist noch richtige Kunst
11:37 < tsa> hehe
11:41 < tsa> ich hab das lied gar nicht - eher depressiv?
11:43 < fake> hmhm
11:43 < tsa> hmhm?
11:43 < fake> tsa: ich habs aber von dir
11:44 < tsa> oh.
11:44 < tsa> *G
11:44 < fake> Goethes Erben - Ich moechte nicht laenger.palladium
11:44 < tsa> wenn du was boeses in der richtung suchst: sarah mclachlan - gloomy sunday
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11:45 < fake> Black - Wonderful Life
11:45 < tsa> das uist ziemlich evil.
11:45 < tsa> -u
11:45 < tsa> wird inzwischen nirgendwo mehr gespielt..
11:45 < fake> tsa: in welche richtung evil?
11:46 < tsa> fake: das lied ist derart depressiv, dass sich schon leute umgebracht haben, die sich das vorher angehoert haben.
11:46 < fake> ui
11:46 < fake> muss ich haben
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11:48 < tsa> hi Freak
11:52 * tsa testing mldonkey
11:52 < fake> tsa: der ruled.
11:53 < tsa> jo, sieht ganz so aus....das andere teil war immer am core-dumpen..
11:53 < fake> hehe. j00.
11:53 < fake> (jetzt kann ich dank der neuen firewall hier endlich mal die portforwardings richtig eintragen ;-))
11:54 < tsa> hehe
11:56 < fake> so.
11:59 < tsa> wo krieg ich bei mldonkey aktuelle server-listen her?
12:01 < fake> tsa: du kannst die die dabei is benutzen
12:01 < fake> er updatet dann von selber (nimmt die von den servern wo du connectest)
12:02 < tsa> ah...also einfach mal abwarten
12:02 < tsa> 7 server connected...
12:02 < tsa> hm..
12:02 < tsa> koennte ruhig mal mehr werden ;)
12:02 < fake> tsa: Settings-> Client -> Max Servers
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12:03 < tsa> steht schon auf 500... ;)
12:04 < fake> *lol*
12:07 < fake> WUAHAHAH
12:07 < fake> connected to 140/3762 server(s)
12:08 < tsa> *GRR*
12:09 < tsa> 6/807
12:10 < fake> heather nova ?
12:19 < [anders]> mmmm.. gconf-edit is a cool tool. Now the keybindings in gnome-terminal is similar to multi-gnome-terminal.. only thing missing is the color highlighting of the tabs when something change in the tabs...
12:32 < [anders]> ///
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12:58 < fake> tsa: i can't find it >_<
12:59 < fake> ah!
13:04 < tsa> hm..
13:04 * tsa looking
13:05 < fake> Segmentation fault
13:05 < fake> *duh*
13:07 < tsa> hehe
13:14 < tsa> strange..
13:14 < tsa> server connection always goes down to 5-6..
13:15 < tsa> "connect more"....1-2 secs later: ~150 servers connected.
13:19 < tsa> fake: ich hab's 
13:19 < tsa> wohin damit?
13:19 < fake> *grml*
13:19 < fake> tsa: aef tae paeh oder lieber aes tsae paeh?
13:20 < tsa> is mir egal. sag mir, wo ich es hinlegen soll..
13:20 < tsa> *idee*
13:20 < fake> gibbet den temp noch?
13:20 < tsa> nope.
13:22 < tsa> huebi?
13:23 < fake> 200 ...
13:23 < huebi> tsa: jaa.
13:23 < tsa> aah!
13:23 < tsa> da liegt nen mp3 in deinem upload-verzeichnis...
13:23 < tsa> mach das mal bitte lesbar fuer fake..
13:24 < huebi> jo
13:24 < tsa> ;-)
13:25 < huebi> ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/pub/Sarah%20McLachlan%20-%20Rarities%20-%2004%20-%20Gloomy%20Sunday%20(Live).mp3
13:26 < fake> danke!
13:27 < fake> *huebischmatzergeb*
13:27 < huebi> fake: Gern geschehen ;-)
13:29 < tsa> hehe
13:33 < fake> *reintu*
13:34 < tsa> viel spass..
13:36 < fake> http://fake.by-infonet.de/sad.jpg *seufz*
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13:38 < fake> hat die noch mehr so lieder gemacht?
13:38 < fake> hi Ge0rG 
13:38 < Ge0rG> hi folks :)
13:40 < fake> s,folks,fake,
13:40 < tsa> fake: hm... keine ahnung.
13:40 < fake> will meeeehr
13:40 < tsa> hi Ge0rG
13:40 < tsa> fake: hehe
13:40 < fake> wobei ich da das eine oder andere lied von Silke Bischof viel deprimierender finde
13:51 < fake> why does the default kernel configuration enable isdn??
13:52 < [anders]> fake: probably because Clifford use  or used to use ISDN and nobody has bothered to get rid of it...
13:52 < fake> *blaeh*
13:52 < fake> it gives me unresolved symbols
13:53 < fake> huh?
13:53 < fake> it says nothing about ISDN in *.conf
13:53 < fake> architectures/share/*.conf
13:54 < [anders]> in my (humble) opinion the install kernel for the CD should be as modularised as possible, a la Debian, and only include things that actually would be useful for an install.. ISDN or Ham Radio or Quota is not likely to be something you would use when you install the box..
13:54 < fake> or sound.
13:54 < tsa> ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHH
13:55 < fake> php?
13:55 < tsa> no. customer.
13:55 < fake> ah. php-customer?
13:55 < tsa> huebi: remember the problem with the damn write-protected dlt-drive.
13:55 < tsa> ?
13:55 < huebi> jo
13:56 < tsa> i sent them a mail to eat the tape and insert an unused, new dlt-iv tape.
13:56 < tsa> they did.
13:56 < fake> today?
13:56 < tsa> and: it's no longer write-protected..
13:56 < tsa> yes.
13:56 < fake> *LOL*
13:56 < huebi> tsa: mt erase is also usefull ;-)
13:57 < [anders]> moin huebi 
13:57 < huebi> Ahh, I remember..
13:57 < huebi> hi [anders] 
13:57 < [anders]> wie gehts? :)
13:57 < tsa> huebi: didn't work with the old tape, didn't test with the new one.
13:57 < tsa> ..but i feel like mt -f /dev/customer erase
13:58 < huebi> [anders]: I'm fine. I hope I wrote the last piece of documentation today.
13:58 < [anders]> tsa: steady on, it is the customers that earn you your wages.. Killing customers is bad for business.. Unless you are an undertaker... ;-)
13:58 < fake> depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/drivers/isdn/
13:58 < fake> hisax/elsa_cs.o
13:58 < fake> hisax/sedlbauer_cs.o
13:58 < fake> depmod:         sedl_init_pcmcia
13:58 < tsa> [anders]: hehe..
13:58 < fake> mwieso baut der depp denn sowas
13:59 < [anders]> huebi: sounds good.. What documentation were you writing? Anything related to Rock? :)
13:59 < fake> scho klar dass des ohne pcmcia nix wird
13:59 < huebi> [anders]: How to make a bare metal restore of a ROCK Linux server for dummies.
14:01 < tsa> huebi: go to bank, get money. get more money. call admin.
14:01 < [anders]> huebi: that type of docs could be rather handy even if one isn't a complete dummie when it comes to Rock. I have at times been guessing my way to a solution when trying to fix things and so far (touch wood) 0I have had a good portion of luck when it comes to fixing things..
14:02 < [anders]> Not always can one count on luck though, and that is when good documentation comes in to the picture and also pure knowledge. :)
14:02 < huebi> [anders]: ACK.
14:03 < fake> hm... why can't there be the answer in make oldconfig, too
14:03 < fake> ( i mean the answer to N/y/? )
14:03 < tsa> fake: try "make answer"
14:04 < tsa> ;)
14:04 < fake> or is the capital the answer?
14:04 < fake> make tsasteak
14:05 < fake> Sedlbauer PCMCIA cards (CONFIG_HISAX_SEDLBAUER_CS) [M/n/y/?]
14:05 < tsa> you want to prepare dinner for me?
14:05 < fake> that would explain that
14:05 < tsa> that's nice.. ;)
14:05 < huebi> fake: The answer is in the 'geek code' of Rene. He promised to fix and document that till last sunday.
14:05 < fake> WHY the HELL is that activated?
14:06 < fake> huebi: geek code.... *lol*... c'mon... rene uses emacs XD
14:06 < tsa> hahahaha
14:06 < huebi> Renes HELL.
14:06 < tsa> i guess his geek code was autogenerated ;)
14:07 < fake> Strg-Something-Somethingelse-Alt-Mod4-Tab-F3?
14:07 < tsa> hehe
14:07 < fake> (and then reboot with on finger on the cpu... etc)
14:07 < tsa> i'm sure you forgot something..
14:07 < fake> one
14:07 < tsa> Esc!
14:07 < fake> tsa: Esc is vi
14:08 < tsa> emacs - Esc-Meta-Alt-Ctrl-Shift
14:08 < fake> *lol*
14:09 < tsa> hm..
14:09 < tsa> <- testing emacs
14:09 < fake> ah shit.
14:09 < tsa> urghs.
14:09 < tsa> emacs has a vi mode.
14:10 < fake> <- can't build any further without ungeekifying rene's code
14:10 < fake> i'll have a cigarette.
14:10 < tsa> <- quitting emacs
14:10 < tsa> sucks.
14:11 < tsa> i'd prefer echo and sed to emacs.
14:12 < huebi> tsa: ed?
14:12 < tsa> ok, too.
14:13 < tsa> ah..damn. gimme a magnet
14:13 < tsa> ;)
14:13 < huebi> VI = "Visual Interface" (to ed)
14:13 < SMP> hmmm
14:14 < tsa> hi SMP
14:15 < fake> haalloo Mar^WSMP.
14:15 < tsa> *lol*
14:24 < [anders]> who was it that wanted to see a screen shot of Gnome2 ? It is not too good quality a screenshot, but adequate..
14:24 < [anders]> http://trudheim.org/Screenshot.png
14:25 * tsa browsing
14:25 < tsa> nice.
14:26 < tsa> so gnome has some kind of aa'd fonts now.
14:26 < tsa> better than this gdkxft stuff i'm still using...
14:26 < [anders]> not quite... I am still looking for where to switch that on..
14:27 < tsa> hehe
14:29 < fake> hey - that's me in the upper left corner!
14:29 < [anders]> :) Got to go to a meeting...
14:29 < fake> cu later!
14:30 < fake> FBI Arrests 4 College Interns For Stealing Lunar Materials
14:30 < fake> *lol*
14:31 < fake> (polish students in US? ;)
14:32 < fake> [PATCH] 2.5.26 IDE 99
14:33 < fake> 1. we handle IRQ sharing now better then ever
14:33 < fake> 2. survives quite a lot of testing by few people. Forexample
14:33 < fake> cat /dev/hdb > /dev/null, where /dev/hdb contains a CD-ROM
14:33 < fake> with a big cratch on the surface making sure it's broken :-).
14:33 < fake> it's BTW. amanzing how wide the cratch had to be until errors
14:33 < fake> ocurred.
14:33 < fake> *lol*
14:40 < tsa> huebi: hast du boot-/installationsfaehige snapshots als fertige iso's da?
14:42 < tsa> huebi: im forum von www.liniso.de hat jemand nach rock-linux gefragt...vielleicht sollte man sich da einfach mal melden, ansonsten bestellen die leute noch aus lauter verzweiflung gentoo oder so ;-) kann ja eigentlich nicht schaden..
14:45 < tsa> huebi: ping.
14:49 < tsa> hm ..
14:59 * [anders] is back from meeting now..
15:00 < [anders]> might create another snapshot with some Nautilus windows on it.. 
15:00 < [anders]> screen shot I mean.. *silly me*
15:02 < tsa> re [anders]
15:02 < tsa> ..and please don't shoot your screen.
15:02 < tsa> ;-)
15:08 < [anders]> http://trudheim.org/Screenshot2.png   <-- Beware, 600kB+ in size..
15:09 < tsa> no problem..
15:10 < tsa> hm...nice.
15:10 < tsa> the fonts look a little "blurry" ..
15:12 < [anders]> mmhmmm.. I know.. They are clear on the screen. I guess it might be GIMP and the compression in PNG that gets them to look blurry..
15:14 < [anders]> All I have to look for now is how to switch on the anti-aliasing.. :) There has to be a setting somewhere that will allow me to use AA fonts. :)
15:15 < tsa> hehe-
15:15 < tsa> [  ] select here to get aa'd fonts
15:15 < [anders]> time to surf the gnome.org webpages to find out how to do it /me finks..
15:16 < tsa> hehe..
15:21 < esden> hi all
15:21 < fake> May 2001
15:21 < fake> Sony's PlayStation Linux kit, shipped in Japan, sells out in eight minutes despite a doubling of the available stock.
15:21 < fake> eigth MINUTES
15:22 < tsa> hehe.
15:22 < tsa> nice.
15:25 -!- clifford [~clifford@M084P008.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
15:25 < tsa> hi clifford
15:25 < fake> hi clifford 
15:25 < clifford> hi gang.
15:25 < fake> . o O ( Clifford watched Grease too often )
15:26 < tsa> hehe fake
15:26 < clifford> fake: how is the article on the mips port doing?
15:26 < fake> clifford: err... that one... aha-ha-ha... 
15:26 < tsa> hehe.
15:27 < fake> clifford: i'll write it right now. (i'm bored anyways. firma->insolvenz->keiner macht mehr was)
15:27 < tsa> fake: your company has gone bankrupt - so you must have lots of spare time ;-)
15:28 < clifford> fake: I see. Thats a problem many companies seam to have at the moment.
15:28 < clifford> did you own any stocks?
15:28 < tsa> indeed.
15:28 < fake> clifford: _if_ you take a look at rene's "geek" kernel configuration code, which leaves me with ISDN(!) drivers compiled 
15:28 < fake> clifford: yes, 1 XD
15:28 < tsa> XD?
15:28 < fake> :D =D XD XP
15:28 < tsa> XP???
15:28 < tsa> wrong channel..
15:29 < fake> clifford: in the current snap the kernel build in stage 3 stops with depmod finding unresolves symbols in eumex_cs.o and sedlb_cs.o
15:30 < fake> (as there is no PCMCIA support in the kernel).
15:30 < clifford> fake: I know. (btw - that's my fault, not renes)
15:30 < fake> clifford: oh. huebi said it was rene's idea.
15:30 < clifford> rene's idea to do what?
15:31 < fake> clifford: not sure. huebi just said i should blame rene. so i did. *g*
15:31 < fake> rene uses emacs. he is always to blame.
15:32 < clifford> no - it's my fault and it will be fixed in the next snap.
15:32 < fake> kewl.
15:32 < clifford> Just add 'DEPMOD=/bin/true' to the end of line 31 in package/base/linux/linux.conf
15:32 * fake not sending a patch then.
15:32 < fake> XD
15:33 < clifford> WHAT'S THAT >> XD << YOU DO NOT SOP TALKING ABOUT !?!?
15:34 < fake> augen zusammenkniefen und schief grinsen
15:34 < fake> like ;)
15:34 < fake> or =D
15:34 < fake> or :D
15:34 < tsa> urghs.
15:34 < fake> XD
15:34 < fake> *g*
15:35 * tsa always thought it was some kind of bug of fake's irc client..
15:35 < fake> ^.^
15:35 < fake> ^^o^^
15:35 < fake> ^.~
15:35 < fake> etc.
15:36 < tsa> hm..
15:36 < tsa> irritating.
15:36 * tsa confused.
15:36 < clifford> fake is cheating on the irc stats again ..
15:36 < tsa> clifford: sure - like huebi always does - they're alike
15:37 < tsa> perhaps we should exclude fake and huebi from participating in the irc stats ;-)
15:37 < fake> no, i'm not like huebi :P
15:37 < tsa> fake: can you prove that?
15:37 < fake> tsa: huebi is kewl. i am not. see?
15:37 < tsa> ok.
15:37 < esden> hi clifford 
15:38 < fake> hm, irclogs, good idea.
15:38 < tsa> hi esden
15:38 < fake> s,logs,stats,
15:38 < clifford> hi esden.
15:38 < fake> hi esden !
15:38 < esden> tsa: I will mark them as bots ... then they are not counted in the ircstats ;-)
15:38 < tsa> esden: thanks.
15:38 < esden> hi fake 
15:38 < esden> tsa: denada ;-)
15:39 < fake> err...
15:39 * clifford always though that 'fake' and 'huebi' _are_ bots .....  ;-)
15:39 < fake> they are wrong.
15:39 < tsa> clifford: hehe.
15:39 < fake> i never said "Maintenance Console:"
15:39 < clifford> esden: how is the article on the alpha axp port is doing?
15:40 < fake> clifford: btw, what do you expect?
15:40 < fake> intended audience, length...
15:40 < tsa> fake: 20+ pages for bild zeitung
15:41 < esden> clifford: i have written it last night ... I read through it and then send it to you for review
15:41 < clifford> fake: it should be at least as long as my 'building on a cluster' article and should contain many colorfull pictures.
15:41 < esden> clifford: but it is _really_ short
15:41 -!- DeadDawg [deaddawg@Ottawa-ppp3517270.sympatico.ca] has joined #rocklinux
15:41 < fake> clifford: oh nooo....
15:42 -!- DeadDawg [deaddawg@Ottawa-ppp3517270.sympatico.ca] has left #rocklinux ()
15:42 < fake> clifford: just how long is your building on a cluster article?
15:42 < clifford> no. just a short text containing something like a mission statement and a current status
15:42 < fake> okay.
15:42 < fake> *phew*
15:42 < clifford> (something like my 1.7/2.0 article)
15:42 < tsa> mission: make it work; status: doesn't work.
15:43 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting")
15:43 < clifford> tsa: yes. something like that.
15:43 < fake> mission: impossible; status: looking for a reason;
15:44 < tsa> fake: that's just an example. it's still way too short.
15:44 < tsa> fake: but you could add the developers pics, it'll be much longer then..
15:44 < clifford> fake: ok - now add a list of hardware you are using and you are done ..  ;-)
15:44 < fake> mission: really impossible; status: looking for a reason, and origin, and something to eat.
15:44 * clifford feeding fake.
15:44 < tsa> fake: ./scripts/Build-Pkg pizza
15:44 < fake> *hap*
15:45 < clifford> now your article is shorter again ... ;-)
15:45 < tsa> hehe
15:45 < tsa> btw..
15:45 < fake> >_< *douh*
15:45 < tsa> we don't have a fortune package, it seems.
15:45 < clifford> tsa bsd-games (when i'm not wrong)
15:45 < clifford> s/when/if/ ..
15:45 < tsa> oh, ok.
15:45 < fake> anyways- i'll have a cigarette now, then i'll write it... in OpenOffice... and then i'll send it base64 encoded ... 
15:45 < tsa> i'll have a look.
15:45 * fake has 3v1l thoughts
15:46 < fake> M$ Word XP format...
15:46 < fake> aaaah, i'm away.
15:46 < tsa> hehe
15:46 < clifford> cat article.doc | shredder > /dev/null
15:47 < tsa>  /usr/bin/shred
15:47 < tsa>        shred  -  delete  a file securely, first overwriting it to
15:47 < tsa>        hide its contents
15:47 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux
15:47 < Mike1> Hi all
15:47 < tsa> hi Mike1
15:48 < Mike1> Master clifford :) how are you today?
15:49 < clifford> tsa: badblocks -w $( df -P article.doc | tail -1 | cut -f1 -d' ' )
15:49 < esden> clifford: mail out
15:49 < clifford> Mike1: thanks. I'm fine. And how are you?
15:49 < esden> clifford: I request feedback from you ;-)
15:50 < Mike1> clifford: i'm great thanks, glad to see you around 
15:51 < esden> hi Mike1 !!!
15:51 < Mike1> lo esden ;-)
15:52 < clifford> esden: I'm already reading it and will put it online right after updating mike's mail forward.
15:53 < Mike1> clifford: hehe thanks :)
15:53 < clifford> esden: is 'grate' a word?
15:53 < esden> clifford: yes .. ispell is not saying anything against it ...
15:54 < clifford> # I have personally not yet tested the status of the port here because
15:54 < clifford> # curl is segfaulting on alpha due to a bug in the url resolver part of
15:54 < clifford> # this program.
15:54 < clifford> .. why is nobody telling me that???
15:55 < Mike1> hehe
15:55 < esden> now you know ...
15:55 < Mike1> huebi: you here?
15:55 < esden> I wanted to fix it in the next days ... it seems to be a minor problem in the url resolver ...
15:55 < clifford> esden: I'll use 'with great help from' instead of 'with grate help of' .. is that ok?
15:56 < WKaibigan> grate would be the wrong word for that sentence
15:56 < esden> clifford: yes ... it is for sure better ... because grate means gitter ;-)
15:56 < esden> (de) gitter
15:56 < esden> ispell is stupid >_<
15:56 < clifford> WKaibigan: what's you suggestion? 
15:57 < WKaibigan> great is the correct one
15:57 < clifford> esden: just fyi: ispell is a _computer_program_
15:57 < fake> oh, really?
15:57 < Mike1> does 'grate' actually exist?
15:57 < clifford> WKaibigan: great.  :-)
15:57 < fake> Mike1: yes.
15:57 < esden> clifford: ohh ... I thought it is a guy sitting inside my bigtower ...
15:57 < Mike1> fake: funny i dunno what it means
15:58 < clifford> Mike1: according to esden it means something like 'grid' ..
15:58 < esden> Mike1: dict grate
15:58 < fake> it's... err.  metal grid
15:58 < Mike1> oh i see
15:58 < fake> for example to cover holes in the ground
15:58 * Mike1 searching ...
15:58 < esden>      1. A structure or frame containing parallel or crosed bars,
15:58 < esden>         with interstices; a kind of latticework, such as is used
15:58 < esden>         ia the windows of prisons and cloisters. ``A secret grate
15:58 < esden>         of iron bars.'' --Shak.
15:59 < fake> == 07/23/02 15:57:33 =[3]=> Finished building package linux.
15:59 < fake> thanks cliff ;-)
15:59 < WKaibigan> Or grate as in grated cheese.
15:59 < Mike1> esden: i see ... thx
15:59 < esden> Mike1: denada ;-)
16:00 < Mike1> esden: nice to see you getting back to your spanish :)
16:00 < esden> Mike1: I am giving my best ;-)
16:00 < esden> now I need nicotine
16:01 < Mike1> [root@marte dist]# ls var/adm/logs/*err
16:01 < Mike1> var/adm/logs/3-gnome-applets.err         var/adm/logs/3-gnome-utils.err
16:01 < Mike1> var/adm/logs/3-gnome-control-center.err  var/adm/logs/3-sawfish.err
16:01 < Mike1> var/adm/logs/3-gnome-core.err            var/adm/logs/3-vim.err
16:01 < Mike1> var/adm/logs/3-gnome-network.err         var/adm/logs/5-vim.err
16:01 < Mike1> [root@marte dist]# 
16:01 * Mike1 goes back to his build 
16:01 < clifford> esden: "Hier mein artickel" ... ouch!
16:03 < esden> clifford: ehmm ... ja ... dumdidum
16:03 < esden> besser gesagt ... paar zeilen text
16:03 < clifford> esden: http://www.rocklinux.org/rolling/devel/page2.html
16:04 < esden> clifford: *click*
16:05 < esden> clifford: ok thanks
16:05 < esden> clifford: should I also write something about dietlibc ? but there is not much to write about ... 
16:06 < clifford> esden: It already much of a help if it's just a short text like the one about alpha axp ..
16:06 < clifford> (mission, statement, status, problems, possible usages, etc.)
16:07 < clifford> I might also write a small text about the new install disks.
16:07 < clifford>  /me 1st needs a floppy disk drive in 'apollo' so  don't need to burn so many cds ...  ;-)
16:08 < clifford> hmm... that initial blank was not intentional .. :-)
16:12 * clifford is away: be back in a few minutes ...
16:13 < esden> clifford: I will see what I can write about dietlibc target ...
16:16 < fake> clifford: <AOL> Sie haben Post! </AOL>
16:19 * clifford is back (gone 00:06:40)
16:19 < clifford> if hab was von frankenstein in meiner mailbox - sicher wieder so'n virus **DEL**  ;-)
16:20 < fake> clifford: ich habs als powerpoint praesentation gemacht... als .exe
16:20 < fake> oder lieber in flash?
16:20 < clifford> fake: ... jaja, du mich auch ...  :-)
16:20 < fake> ;)
16:24 < clifford> fake: is the first word really 'woq' or should that be 'wow' ??
16:24 < fake> clifford: it's not really important.
16:25 < fake> wow should be it
16:25 < clifford> "Okay, i currently mainly use the SGI Challenge S rolla sent me as compile box"  ??
16:26 < clifford> .. the "SGI Challenge S rolla sent" part is confusing me.
16:26 < fake> im moment benutze ich haueptsaechlich die ... die mir rolla geschickt hat zum compilieren ?
16:26 < clifford> "rolla" ist ein eigenname!?
16:26 < fake> ja... er is oefter im IRC.
16:27 < fake> also hier im channel...
16:27 < fake> he is here now, actually.
16:27 (Users #rocklinux)
16:27 [ [anders]  ] [ coldie  ] [ Freak] [ praenti ] [ SMP   ] [ WKaibigan] 
16:27 [ aszlig    ] [ d3m|away] [ Ge0rG] [ ringo78 ] [ snyke ] 
16:27 [ blindcoder] [ dorphell] [ h0h0 ] [ rolla   ] [ th    ] 
16:27 [ bluefire  ] [ esden   ] [ huebi] [ rxr_away] [ tomik_] 
16:27 [ clifford  ] [ fake    ] [ Mike1] [ simon-  ] [ tsa   ] 
16:27 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 26 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 26 normal]
16:28 < clifford> Q: Shouldn't that better be "I'm currently mainly using the SGI Challenge S, Rolla sent me" ??
16:29 < fake> clifford: however you like.
16:29 < clifford> I don't know - it's a question..
16:29 < clifford> (I'm not a native speaker)
16:30 < esden> clifford: when do you want to release the rolling rock ?
16:31 < clifford> when we have enought articles. Now stuff comes in - so maybe next week ..
16:31 < esden> clifford: kk
16:32 < fake> clifford: me neither...
16:32 * fake getting more nicotine
16:33 < Mike1> clifford: Currenly and mainly dont look good at all together you should change the order of that sentence
16:37 < WKaibigan> Currently I am mainly using ...... sounds g
16:37 < WKaibigan> sound better
16:37 < Mike1> WKaibigan: yes
16:37 < clifford> I already did: I'm currently using the "SGI Challenge S" Rolla sent me as main compile box
16:37 < clifford> since it has the fastest Processor (R4400 195Mhz).
16:38 < Mike1> clifford: oh ok good :)
16:42 < esden> argh ... fscking binutils >_<
16:44 < tsa> cu.-
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16:45 < clifford> fake: http://www.rocklinux.org/rolling/devel/page2.html
16:46 < fake> *copypaste*
16:46 < clifford> anyone wants to write an article about the sparc port?
16:46 < fake> clifford: ah... take that FrAnKenstEin away and make it FAKE please
16:47 < clifford> .. seams like there is much to tell aboutit since so many people are working on it.
16:47 < clifford> fake: done.
16:48 < clifford> fake: why not using your real name?
16:48 < fake> clifford: becuase i hate it
16:49 < clifford> aha. (the table of contents looks funny now ..  :-)
16:49 < fake> ... which should become the 2.0 release when it's read 
16:50 < fake> that should be "ready" i suppose
16:50 < clifford> fixed.
16:51 < fake> Heaving 2.0 pre-releases on 19C3 is a realistic goal. 
16:51 < fake> Having
16:51 < clifford> .. but has something to do with heaven ... ;-)
16:52 < fake> yes.
16:52 < fake>  Heaving a stable 2.0 release 
16:52 < fake> as well ;)
16:52 < clifford> fixed.
16:57 < fake> hm...
16:58 < fake> i could use all 3 MIPSen i have to make a parallel build ;)
16:58 < clifford> fake: sure.
16:59 < fake> cool. in MIPS terminology, it would be 3 times as slow as 1 machine...
16:59 < fake> XD
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16:59 < clifford> .. but this might slow down you build since the builtin batch system doesn't know how to build importand (big) packages on the fastest node ..
17:00 < fake> clifford: a "weight" field in the .desc ?
17:00 < clifford> not needed - we have the information. But the batch system is not using it.
17:00 < fake> aw.
17:00 < clifford> aw = ??
17:01 < fake> clifford: a sound.
17:01 < clifford> and what does it mean?
17:01 < fake> clifford: aaaahaaaa!
17:02 < clifford> fake: you are scaring me. stop that.
17:04 < esden> fake is a scary guy ;-)
17:08 < clifford> esden: did you guys talk already about the developers meeting at my place in a few weeks?
17:12 < clifford> esden: ???
17:13 < clifford> ping!
17:14 < fake> clifford: esden told us he'll drive to you next week
17:15 < clifford> aha.
17:16 < fake> i can't remember anyone wnating to join him
17:16 < fake> he also said he might come to my place next week.
17:16 < fake> so either it was fuff, or he's gonna fork().
17:16 < clifford> at linuxtag we discussed we might meet in vienna sometime in the summer.
17:17 < clifford> we = as many people as possible
17:17 < fake> i remember very well.
17:18 < clifford> well - that would be in the next weeks.
17:18 < fake> i'd really like to. i'd also like to buy something to eat. or to visit my pal on his birthday this weekend. 
17:19 < clifford> I had a phone call from esden last Thu and I asked him to coordinate what would be the best time to meet.
17:19 < fake> the problem is i don't have _any_ money and i am not going to get _any_ money in the near future.
17:20 < fake> clifford: he asked who wants to join him, not when we would have time.
17:20 < clifford> fake: we would "camp" in my house - so there are no costs for the time you stay here.
17:21 < fake> clifford: you know it's not that easy at all...
17:22 < clifford> well - the only remaining problem I see is how can you get here at no cost.
17:23 < esden> clifford: pong
17:24 < clifford> hi esden!
17:24 < fake> clifford: at the moment i'd really think about how to get something to eat and how to pay my flat first
17:24 < esden> clifford: hmm ... sorry then I missunderstood you cliff
17:24 < fake> clifford: i don't think i can really have fun with that in mind all the time.
17:25 < clifford> fake: yes. I can understand that.
17:25 < Mike1> see you guys later
17:25 < clifford> btw: If you would consider working in austria, I could forward your vitae to some of my clients for you ..
17:25 < clifford> Mike1: cu.
17:25 < esden> clifford: so we will move the meeting on some other week
17:25 < esden> cu Mike1 
17:25 < fake> clifford: do you know a good, rich, non-almost-bankrupt company willing to employ an apprentiece for 1/2 yrs?
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17:26 < fake> 1 or 2 that is
17:26 < fake> aw damn it
17:26 < fake> i don't think i can work in austria
17:26 < clifford> fake: I think so: www.gentics.com (if you can do PHP development and SQL Databases)
17:27 < fake> i'd have to start the training once again and would loose the 1 year i already finished
17:27 < fake> (*urgh* PHP)
17:27 < clifford> fake: what training?
17:27 < fake> clifford: ausbildung
17:27 < clifford> so you are looking for a part-time employment?
17:27 < fake> Fachinformatiker Fachbereich Anwendungsentwicklung
17:28 < clifford> (ausbildung = education :-)
17:28 < fake> clifford: no... a training. with a test at the end, and school in between and all that stuff
17:28 < fake> (and getting no money at all... almost no money)
17:29 < clifford> you are doing that in parallel to a full-time job?
17:29 < fake> no?!
17:29 < fake> well.... actually it _is_ a full time job.
17:29 < fake> or was.
17:30 < clifford> you are doing a "Lehre" ??
17:30 < fake> yes.
17:30 < clifford> (!= Leere :-)
17:30 < fake> and now the CFO wants to talk to me.... uh-oh.
17:30 < clifford> i.c.
17:31 * fake brb
17:32 < clifford> I think you are the first one I do know of who is doing a "Lehre" (whatever the english word for that is) for becoming an application developer..
17:34 < huebi> moin
17:34 < huebi> hi clifford 
17:34 < esden> ahh ... now I see ... this is the fscking gcc-3 that is breaking binutils !!!
17:34 < esden> hi huebi 
17:34 < huebi> hi esden 
17:34 < huebi> clifford: when should be the "camp" at your home?
17:36 < rolla> re
17:36 < huebi> hi rolla 
17:37 < clifford> huebi: That's not defined so far.. Somewhere between 1.8. and 15.8.
17:37 < huebi> ok
17:37 < clifford> rolla: you are famous now: http://www.rocklinux.org/rolling/devel/page2.html
17:39 < rolla> ha ha 
17:39 < rolla> :)
17:40 < rolla> it shows that fake cares ;)
17:41 * clifford is fixing the powerpc cross build ..
17:42 < huebi> clifford: for 1.4 or 1.7?
17:42 < huebi> clifford: for 1.5 or 1.7?
17:43 < clifford> for 1.7 (fixing all cross-builds since I've made yet some other core changes)
17:44 < clifford> .. The cross-build now includes cross-building kernel and modules.
17:46 < fake> clifford: apprientenceship
17:46 < huebi> clifford: Why do you fix it just for 1.7? There are still many thing to do to get 1.5 as stable as needed for serious productive use. I would like to have some more contributions to 1.5 so that it gets faster stable as in the moment.
17:47 < clifford> huebi: bacause the stuff I'm fixing in 1.7 is not broken in 1.5.
17:48 < fake> if it's not b0rken - don't fix it.
17:48 < clifford> there is no cross-building of the kernel in 1.5, so it needs no fixing.
17:49 < clifford> there is no dynamic compiler selection in 1.5, so it needs no fixing, ...
17:49 < fake> if it's not th3r3 - don't fix it ?
17:49 < clifford> fake: yup.
17:49 < huebi> Ok
17:49 < fake> clifford: my vacation is from Aug. 5th to Aug. 17th. would fit well.
17:50 < huebi> Who does some serious testing on 1.5.17? There is more needed as I can do alone. ftp://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.17/rock-ia32-i586-base+opt-1.5.17.iso
17:51 * fake leeching... (firm can't pay the bandwith bill anyways)
17:51 < huebi> fake: Thank you ;-)
17:53 < huebi> clifford: Would it be ok to meet at your home from 2002-08-05 to 2002-08-11?
17:53 < fake> *sigh*
17:54 < huebi> For me that would fit perfectly, too.
17:55 < clifford> On 2002-08-10 I have a training for my voice. The rest would be ok.
17:56 < fake> your.... voice?
17:56 < huebi> clifford: so we start at 2002-08-05?
17:56 < fake> are going to be a politician?
17:57 < clifford> fake: as you might know I'm a professional trainer..
17:57 < clifford> .. that's sometimes like beeing a politician.  ;-)
17:58 < fake> hehe 
17:59 < fake> clifford: you're a dj, right?
17:59 < fake> clifford: tell me a song that's absolutely depressing
18:00 < clifford> fake: hmm ... give me a sec. (I'm reading kernel source right now..  ;-)
18:00 < fake> ah yes that's depressing too.
18:00 < clifford> why?
18:00 < fake> clifford: i always notice how dumb i am
18:01 < clifford> I always thought that's fun ...
18:01 < clifford> fake: you are if you really believe what you said just now.
18:01 < huebi> clifford: can you make the time from 2002-08-05 to 2002-08-10 fix now or is stil something needed for that?
18:02 < clifford> huebi: I will send out a mail about it in the next hour. Let's see how the feedback is.
18:02 < fake> clifford: i usually really mean what i say, and as you can see, i am right ;)
18:03 < clifford> fake: ok. you won: you are dumb.   ;-)
18:03 * fake sticking with Silke Bischof - Hold Me until clifford comes up with an even more depressing song
18:04 < huebi> fake: I still don't believe you. ;>
18:04 < clifford> fake: "Still waiting (for you)" is a very depressing song. But it's not out yet ...
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18:14 < owl> hi
18:14 < fake> clifford: which band?
18:14 < fake> hi owl 
18:17 < huebi> moin owl 
18:20 < fake> Silke Bischof - No Paradise
18:21 < fake> brb - getting cd-r
18:22 < clifford> fake: It's from 'Fallin' Angel' - you won't get it. I have the master DAT here on my desk ..
18:23 < clifford> Here is a small list of songs I like to hear when I'm feeling down:
18:23 < clifford> Alles aus Liebe - Die Toten Hosen
18:23 < clifford> Badaboom - 5th Element
18:23 < clifford> Blattschuss - Ostahn Kurti und die Chefpartie
18:23 < clifford> Brand new day - Sting
18:23 < clifford> Conquest Of Paradise - John Williams
18:23 < clifford> Ein graues Haar - Pur
18:23 < clifford> Gibt's doch gar nicht - Der Wolf
18:23 < clifford> I Will Surrive - Gloria Gaynor
18:23 < clifford> Nick-Nack Man - Frank Zander
18:23 < clifford> Nochtschicht - Ostbahn Kurt
18:23 < clifford> Only Time - Enya
18:23 < clifford> Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto No 3 In D Minor Opus - David Helfgott
18:23 < clifford> Sultans of swing - Dier Straits
18:23 < clifford> The Galaxy Song - Monty Python
18:23 < clifford> The Piano Has Been Drinking - Tom Waits
18:23 < clifford> The show must go on - Queen
18:23 < clifford> Toccata - Sky
18:23 < clifford> Und ich lauf - Joachim Witt
18:23 < clifford> What Becomes Of The Brokenhearted - Vonda Shepard
18:23 < clifford> Windows 95 Sucks - The Rolling Stones
18:23 < clifford> Wo Ist Der Taeter (Derrick) - Line 4
18:23 < clifford> You Are In The Army Now - Status Quo
18:23 < clifford> (in alphatetical order)
18:24 < clifford> .. some of the are pushing me down even more - others bring me up again.
18:24 < clifford> s/the/them/ ..
18:25 * fake pasting them into a file and writing a nice shell-script to auto-search them with giFt
18:26 < fake> Und ich lauf - Joachim Witt sounds good
18:26 < fake> the others are way to positive ;)
18:26 < fake> hab ich sogar
18:26 * fake tunes in
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18:36 < fake> let them know... that i'm glad to go... 
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18:48 < clifford> hi again.
18:49 < fake> re clifford.
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19:10 < Mike1> re
19:10 < clifford> hi again.
19:10 < huebi> hi  Mike1 
19:10 < Mike1> hi andreas and clifford :)
19:11 < Mike1> huebi: 
19:11 < kob> hello
19:11 < Mike1> [root@marte rock-src-1.5.17-Mike]# ls dist/var/adm/logs/*err
19:11 < Mike1> dist/var/adm/logs/3-gnome-applets.err
19:11 < Mike1> dist/var/adm/logs/3-gnome-control-center.err
19:11 < Mike1> dist/var/adm/logs/3-gnome-core.err
19:11 < Mike1> dist/var/adm/logs/3-gnome-network.err
19:11 < Mike1> dist/var/adm/logs/3-gnome-utils.err
19:11 < Mike1> dist/var/adm/logs/3-sawfish.err
19:11 < Mike1> dist/var/adm/logs/3-vim.err
19:11 < Mike1> dist/var/adm/logs/5-vim.err
19:11 < Mike1> [root@marte rock-src-1.5.17-Mike]# 
19:13 < huebi> Mike1: cd dist/var/adm/logs
19:14 < huebi> Mike1: ll -tr *err
19:14 < Mike1> huebi: 
19:14 < Mike1> [root@marte logs]# ll -tr *err
19:14 < Mike1> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root           44 Jul 21 10:39 3-vim.err
19:14 < Mike1> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         5129 Jul 21 22:45 3-gnome-control-center.err
19:14 < Mike1> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         5566 Jul 21 22:57 3-gnome-core.err
19:14 < Mike1> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        48244 Jul 21 22:59 3-gnome-applets.err
19:14 < Mike1> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        57393 Jul 21 23:07 3-gnome-utils.err
19:14 < Mike1> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        22542 Jul 21 23:11 3-gnome-network.err
19:14 < Mike1> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        41539 Jul 22 01:16 3-sawfish.err
19:14 < Mike1> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root           44 Jul 22 07:20 5-vim.err
19:14 < Mike1> [root@marte logs]# 
19:15 * Mike1 apoligizes for the incredible flood, sorry guys
19:15 < clifford> . o O ( hehe .. no ./scripts/Create-ErrList in 1.5.x )
19:15 < huebi> clifford: backport it *g*
19:15 < Mike1> clifford: yup please
19:16 < clifford> ./scripts/Internal can do it in 1.5.
19:16 < Mike1> clifford: ./scripts/Internal list-err ??
19:16 < clifford> yup.
19:17 < huebi> clifford: can you write some documentation about that?
19:17 < Mike1> <flood>
19:17 < Mike1> [root@marte rock-src-1.5.17-Mike]# ./scripts/Internal list-err dist/var/adm/logs/
19:17 < Mike1> [ 1] --3-5 vim             [ 4] --3-5 gnome-applets   [ 7] --3-5 sawfish
19:17 < Mike1> [ 2] --3-5 gnome-control-c [ 5] --3-5 gnome-utils     [ 8] --3-5 vim
19:17 < Mike1> [ 3] --3-5 gnome-core      [ 6] --3-5 gnome-network   
19:17 < Mike1> [root@marte rock-src-1.5.17-Mike]# 
19:17 < Mike1> </flood>
19:18 < Mike1> clifford: very nice
19:18 < Mike1> clifford: perhaps if you got at least some notes i could go for some documentation
19:18 < clifford> btw: list-err-nocol doesn't use ansi colors (so you can use it e.g. in a pipe.
19:18 < praenti> MoeP
19:19 < clifford> Mike1: I really don't know where I should start.
19:19 < clifford> ./scripts/Internal contains my private tools.
19:19 < fake> was isn heute? 23te?
19:19 < praenti> clifford: do you know a tool which can change values in the memory of running program?
19:19 < praenti> fake: jo
19:19 < fake> gdb
19:20 < huebi> reMoeP! praenti ;-)
19:20 < Mike1> clifford: would you mind if try documenting some of that?
19:20 < clifford> If it contains stuff which could be of use for everyone it only does because I had no time to write a clean and documented version of the script.
19:20 < Mike1> i see
19:21 < clifford> Mike1: I think huebi will welcome every kind of documentation help.
19:21 < huebi> clifford: Take the time for that, please. Many things just go forward to 1.6 because of missing a few notices.
19:21 < clifford> .. but keep in mind that all that stuff is obsolate in 1.7 ..
19:21 < huebi> +don't
19:22 < Mike1> huebi: clifford ok i will see what i can do regarding this but i cant promisse i wont bother with questions
19:23 < clifford> huebi: I don't even have the time for writing the documentation for 1.7 which is one of my open tasks.
19:23 < huebi> clifford: for the stable 1.6.0 1.7 is of minor interest. We need also some explanation for these sometimes very long sed lines in the scripts. Not everybody is as ggod as you in programming.
19:23 < clifford> I will answer your questions as good as I can - but don't expect me to document the 1.5 tree.
19:23 < huebi> clifford: ok
19:24 < Mike1> clifford: ok great, perhaps i will try to give a hand on 1.7 tree too
19:24 < clifford> Mike1: don't disapoint huebi ...  :-)
19:25 < Mike1> clifford: i will try not to :(
19:25 < huebi> clifford: Pleeeease take some time for the questions. 1.6.0 could not be stable without the answers.
19:25 < clifford> btw - Mike1: you are helping a lot in the sparc port - right?
19:25 < Mike1> clifford: not a lot but i am trying to give a help why?
19:25 < clifford> huebi: If you would ask questions I could start writing the answers.
19:26 < clifford> I need someone to write an article about the sparc port for rolling rock.
19:26 < Mike1> clifford: i see
19:26 < clifford> huebi: how is the 1.5/1.6 article doing?
19:27 < Mike1> clifford: well arminj or ripclaw are pretty much more involved than i am but i can do my best
19:27 < huebi> clifford: I write the questions to the rock-linux list. then also some other people can answer some of it I think.
19:27 < Mike1> huebi: good idea
19:27 < clifford> huebi: ack.
19:27 * Mike1 on the phone
19:27 < kob> a question about the sparc port, is it ready for testing? i have a lot of sparc machines at home and at work
19:28 < huebi> clifford: I can write the article in the next hours. How do you want to get it?
19:28 < clifford> kob: sparc or sparc64 ?
19:28 < kob> both
19:28 < fake> huebi: M$ Office XP format.
19:28 < kob> lol
19:28 < fake> huebi: as always.
19:28 < clifford> both are in pre-alpha state in 1.7 - I don't know for 1.5
19:29 * fake is running a 1.5.13 on his JS
19:29 < clifford> huebi: in html withhout header tags. E.g.:
19:29 < kob> sqm
19:29 < kob> l
19:29 < clifford> http://www.rocklinux.org/rolling/devel/rock20.html
19:29 < huebi> clifford: ack
19:30 < clifford> fake: did you try already 1.7 on sparc?
19:30 < clifford> (all the sparc people are not very interested in the devel tree)
19:30 < Mike1> clifford: i have 1.7 running on a Ultra 5
19:30 < fake> clifford: yes. cross-build that is.
19:30 < huebi> kob: there is much work done on sparc64
19:30 < fake> clifford: its b0rken.
19:31 < fake> clifford: but i didn't want to lay my hands on it.
19:31 < Mike1> kob you might be able to get a machine to run but you will have to some hand work
19:31 < fake> (... for i am lame).
19:31 < Mike1> i have a iso images for 1.5.12 but they are not bootable so you will have to boot from something else then use the cds
19:31 < fake> . o O ( Network boor? )
19:31 < fake> boot
19:32 < kob> Mike1: what hand work, c hacking ?
19:32 < kob> :-)
19:32 < clifford> kob: no. assembler and machine byte code ...   ;-)
19:32 < kob> lol
19:32 < huebi> clifford: The main goal for ROCK Linux should be to get 1.5 stable. After that all the efforts can concentrate on 1.7. In the last 6 months I did very much work on 1.5 but the day has only 24h ;>
19:32 < Mike1> kob: no like booting editing some of the packages that will brake and still i cant garatee you that you will have x running
19:32 * clifford has no idea what needs to be done to run it on a sparc ..
19:32 < kob> ok, i think its time to write a brainfuck api for rock
19:33 < Mike1> clifford: the sparc people are not getting to involved in the dev tree because:
19:33 < clifford> kob: how do you want to implement APIs in brainfuck?
19:33 * fake remembers clifford explaining brainfuck to him
19:33 < Mike1> 1. they have been dealing with some issues for months now on the 1.5 tree and dont want that time to be wasted.
19:34 < Mike1> 2. it is thought to get a base system to run stable first then merge effords on 1.7
19:34 < kob> Mike1: ok, i think i give it a change at the weekend, on what machine shoud i test? (ultra5, ultra 2 or sunblade 100?)
19:34 < Mike1> 3. its very hard to keep track of the dev tree we dont have much time 
19:34 < kob> clifford: dont know, any hints?
19:35 < huebi> <flood> all the errors on the sparc64 port:
19:35 < huebi> root@rock:/rock-linux # ./scripts/Internal list-err /rock-linux/dist/
19:35 < huebi> [ 1] --3-5 linux           [ 4] --3-5 gnome-python    [ 7] --3-5 isdn4k-utils
19:35 < huebi> [ 2] --3-5 mtools          [ 5] --3-5 apmd            [ 8] --3-5 pcmcia-cs
19:35 < huebi> [ 3] --3-5 alsa            [ 6] --3-5 softdog         [ 9] --3-5 iproute2
19:35 < fake> sinblade 1000 ? w00t!
19:35 < huebi>  
19:35 < Mike1> kob as i said before i have 1.5 running on a ultra 5, i tryed building on a blade 100 (1.7) but went throught a lot of problems
19:35 < kob> Mike1: i think the sunblade is not a good choice, because she have only a usb keyboard
19:35 < fake> "she" *lol*
19:36 < Mike1> kob try an ultra first
19:36 < clifford> kob: since you neighter have absolute pointers nor a jump instruction it would be very hard to write real 'functions' - so creating apis would be imporrible.
19:36 < clifford> however - you could use a preprocessor for evaluating macros ..
19:36 < kob> :-)
19:36 < huebi> XFree86 is _not_ working on sparc64. 
19:36 < fake> clifford: it would be typical for you to do it anyways.
19:37 < kob> fake: not sinblade 1000, only sun blade 100
19:37 < fake> kob: oh... i read 1000 ;)
19:37 < Mike1> fake: you seen the blad 2000?
19:37 < Mike1> s/blad/blade
19:37 < clifford> fake: as far as I remember someone wrote already a macro processor for brainf*ck. however: I think this processor itself isn't written in brainf*ck.
19:38 < fake> Mike1: not that i know of
19:38 < kob> ok ok, was only a joke
19:38 < Mike1> huebi: it is told that xfree 4.2 should run on sparc64 but i have not yet test it
19:38 < fake> clifford: so it's a fake.
19:38 < clifford> fake: yes.  ;-)
19:38 < clifford> well - not really. It just doesnt reach the highest possible hackvalue.
19:38 < Mike1> huebi: have you get the chance to dig into that?
19:39 < fake> *lol*
19:39 < clifford> and since hackvalue is everything brainf*ck is about - it's a fake.
19:39 < clifford> . o O ( brainf*ck philosopy )
19:39 < Mike1> huebi: you will make the sparc port report for clifford?
19:39 < huebi> Mike1: not too much time for that. But I can see what I can do.
19:40 < kob> Mike1: the sunblade 2000 is verry cool
19:40 < huebi> Yes, I can make the report.
19:40 < fake> . o O ( clifford's thoughts are censored? )
19:40 < clifford> . o O ( nothing can exists without hackvalue, and microsoft fades out of reality )
19:40 < Mike1> huebi: ok then i wont worry about it, still please count on me if you need /want a hand
19:40 < huebi> kob: but the sunblade 2000 is still slower than a dual Athlon XP :P
19:41 < Mike1> huebi: lol
19:41 < kob> huebi: theats a old flame
19:42 < huebi> kob: I compared the Spec values for both processors and found that out in this way.
19:42 < kob> at this time i havent seen any intel/amd/.. systems with more than 4 cpus
19:42 < Mike1> clifford: is there a cvs tree for 1.7 already? i have been dealing with rene's tree via rsync
19:42 < huebi> compaq PorLiant 8500r
19:43 < kob> yes, and wich os?
19:43 < fake> PoorLiant
19:43 < huebi> 8x Xeon700
19:43 < huebi> kob: Mandrake 8.0
19:43 < Mike1> huebi: is that an os?
19:43 < kob> yes? and which aps?
19:43 < fake> that's a windowmanager
19:44 < huebi> fake: lol
19:44 < Mike1> fake: yes but a very lame and buggy one
19:44 < fake> kob: Mathilda prediciton engines.
19:44 < fake> prediction
19:44 < huebi> I used MOSIX on the 3 Proliants
19:44 * fake calculates 3 * 8...
19:45 < Mike1> btw where is Mathilda i havent seen her in a while
19:45 < fake> xcalc
19:45 < fake> >_<
19:45 < Mike1> fake: expr :)
19:45 < fake> Mike1: j/k
19:45 < kob> i thinking about migrating some oracle databes from suns to linux, but the problem is that dell dont support boxes with more than 3 cpus under linux
19:46 < huebi>  ______
19:46 < huebi> < huhu >
19:46 < huebi>  ------
19:46 < huebi>         \   ^__^
19:46 < huebi>          \  (oo)\_______
19:46 < huebi>             (__)\       )\/\
19:46 < huebi>                 ||----w |
19:46 < huebi>                 ||     ||
19:46 < Mike1> ALL MIGTHY MATHILDA :)
19:46 < huebi> kob: oracle 8.1.7?
19:46 < Mike1> Welcome your highness
19:46 < kob> huebi: 9.x, at this time i think 9.2
19:47 < Mike1> kob: are you by any chance running Oracle Developer suit on any linux box?
19:48 < huebi> kob: I made some experiences with oracle 8 on E4500, 4x 400MHz/8MB - A ROCK Linux PC, 2x 1133MHz P3 was _way_ faster.
19:49 < fake> huebi: but it doesn't scale
19:49 < kob> huebi: io also? 
19:49 < huebi> fake: the E4500, too ;>
19:50 < kob> Mike1: do you mean dba studio and so on?
19:50 < esden> re hi boys and girls
19:50 < rolla> :) 
19:50 < Mike1> kob: yes
19:50 < Mike1> hallo esden :)
19:50 < fake> esden: girl
19:50 < Mike1> hi owl BTW
19:50 < kob> Mike1: sorry dont no, but i think the oder stuff such as enterprise manager works
19:51 < huebi> kob: 27MB/s on E4500 and 64MB/s write speed on a PC
19:51 < Mike1> kob: ok thanks
19:51 * Mike1 away to lunch see you later
19:51 < kob> huebi: oh shit
19:51 < fake> cu Mike1 
19:51 < kob> Mike1: do you have this results on the web?
19:52 < Mike1> kob: ?
19:52 < huebi> I asked SUN Germany about the performance problem and they had no answer for that.
19:52 < kob> sorry i mean huebi
19:52 < Mike1> kob: ok
19:52 * Mike1 gone :)
19:52 < kob> huebi: what do you run, raw devices?
19:52 < huebi> no ufs
19:52 < kob> huebi: direct io enabled?
19:53 < huebi> no
19:53 < kob> huebi: do this, it brings more 10 Prozent better Performance on the most cases
19:54 < kob> huebi: how do you do the benchmarks (statspack?)
19:54 < huebi> I need 165% to get the speed of the PC
19:54 < kob> ok ok
19:54 < kob> huebi: what say your boss about this?
19:55 < huebi> kob: I used bonnie++ for the filesystem I/O tests.
19:56 < huebi> kob: My boss/customer said: "Why should I buy 2 more CPU's for 19.000 EUR each if I can have an all over faster PC for 6.500 EUR?"
19:56 < kob> huebi: compiled with forte?
19:57 < kob> huebi: what he do, runs know rock?
19:58 < huebi> 2/3 of the SUN servers got off duty and 12 ROCK Linux servers were installed.
19:58 < kob> cool
19:58 < huebi> all RS/6000 got off duty, too.
19:58 * -> esden -> cinema
19:58 < huebi> esden: halt
19:58 < huebi> esden: Whats up with the fix for qt on alpha?
20:01 * fake can't understand how he can loose 5 kgs in 2 weeks...
20:01 < huebi> kob: a normal PC-Workstation was also 3 times faster in deleting some date in an oracle database than the big E4500. One occasion where the performance of the PC showed up.
20:02 * praenti is away again
20:02 < praenti> cu 
20:02 < huebi> cu praenti 
20:02 < fake> 3 kgs in the 2 weeks before...
20:02 < fake> cu praenti 
20:03 * fake calculating
20:03 < huebi> fake: Hmm. Did you stop the Pizza service?
20:05 < fake> huebi: what pizza service?
20:05 < fake> hm...
20:06 < fake> 66% speedup
20:07 < fake> so i'll loose another 8.3 in the next 2 weeks
20:07 < fake> and 13 in the two weeks after
20:08 < fake> the i weigh about 30 kgs.
20:08 < rolla> you losing weight fake ?
20:08 < fake> rolla: yes. no idea why.
20:09 < huebi> hm I calculated the weight of my daughter, too. now she should weight about 90 kg with 14 monsths
20:09 < fake> i guess it's s/th wrong with my stomach
20:09 < clifford> fake: maybe you should put food into it to solve the problem.
20:10 < fake> clifford: interestingly, i am neither hungry nor thirsty.
20:10 < rolla> I wish I had that problem
20:10 < fake> huebi: children tend to be unpredictable, didn't you know?
20:10 < huebi> rolla: I wish that, too.
20:13 < owl> fake: stop/reduce drinking lots of caffein-containing stuff... etc.
20:13 < fake> now that i think about it... i can't remeber having eaten anything since friday
20:13 < fake> but that may be may stupid memory
20:13 < rolla> fake: I should be getting that Indy back this weekend :)
20:13 < fake> rolla: kuhl!
20:14 < rolla> yeah then I try to load rock and kill it ;)
20:15 * Mike1 back
20:15 < Mike1> re
20:18 * Mike1 at virtual conference "Introduction to Apache 2.0"
20:32 < fake> gloomy sunday...
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20:38 < bluefire> re
20:38 < huebi> moin bluefire 
20:39 < Mike1> hi bluefire
20:39 * Mike1 still getting ready to build 1.7 tree on a box running splack
20:39 < Mike1> it will be a pain in the ass >_<
20:41 < Mike1> huebi: 
20:41 < Mike1> root@mail:/# uname -a
20:41 < Mike1> Linux mail 2.4.4 #9 SMP Mon May 21 22:31:36 PDT 2001 sparc64 unknown
20:41 < Mike1> root@mail:/# 
20:41 < Mike1> whish me luck
20:41 * fake wishes Mike1 luck
20:42 < Mike1> :)
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20:45 < fake> hallo netcrow 
20:45 < Mike1> hi netcrow
20:46 < netcrow> hi
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20:56 < fake> cu netcrow.
20:57 < snyke> cu net.
20:58 < fake> dieser scheiss spam:
20:58 < fake>  very hard 
20:58 < fake> huh?
20:58 < fake> This email was sent to you using Saf-E Mail Systems.  Your email address was automatically inserted into the To and From addresses to eliminate undeliverables which waste bandwidth and cause internet congestion. Your email or webserver IS NOT being used for the sending of this mail. No-one else is receiving emails from your address. You may utilize the removal link below if you do not wish to receive this mailing. 
20:58 < fake> (the sender is the recieving address)
20:58 < fake> " to eliminate undeliverables"
20:58 < fake> (to cover the spam)
21:08 * fake kickt clifford gegens schienbein
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21:10 < fake> re netcrow 
21:11 * fake Wolfsheim - This Time
21:11 < netcrow> fake!
21:11 < fake> hm?
21:19 * fake faehrt heim
21:19 < huebi> cu fake
21:19 < fake> bis nacha
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21:36 < clifford> ich mach jetzt auch die fliege .. cu.
21:36 < owl> cu clifford
21:36 * clifford is away: .
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21:49 < tsa> re
21:49 < owl> moin tsa
21:49 < tsa> hi owl
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21:51 * kob is back
21:52 < kob> was macht man eigentlich mit einem security manager der anfangs gute arbeit geleistet hat und jetzt in die managerriege aufgestiegen ist und nur bullshit rauslaesst?
21:54 -!- simon-- [~simon@pD9E1D69D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:54 < tsa> zum chef befoerdern, vermutlich..
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22:01 < owl> tsa: *lol*
22:02 < kob> sorry, this was not the rigt window
22:03 < tsa> kob: no problem.
22:03 < tsa> wir sind ja schliesslich fuer jeden scheiss zu haben ;-)
22:03 < kob> lol
22:03 < owl> tsa: inbesondere du, nicht wahr? ;P
22:04 < tsa> owl: sicher. soll ich wieder anfangen, sprueche zu suchen? *duck*
22:04 < tsa> ;)
22:04 < owl> tsa: hilfe! bloss nicht... sonst...!
22:05 < tsa> hehe...ok ok..
22:05 < owl> tsa: gut. danke. ;-)
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22:12 < esden> hi all
22:12 < tsa> hey esden
22:12 < owl> moin esden
22:12 < huebi> hi esden 
22:12 < huebi> woh were the movies?
22:13 < tsa> huebi: hm?
22:13 < huebi> s/woh/how/
22:14 < huebi> esden war doch im koin...
22:14 < huebi> esden war doch im kino...
22:15 < tsa> aah.
22:15 < tsa> .oO( ispell... )
22:15 < tsa> huebi: hast du das mit liniso noch gelesen vorhin?
22:16 < huebi> wann?
22:16 < tsa> oeh.
22:16 < tsa> heute nachmittag irgendwann.
22:16 < huebi> tsa: um was ging es?
22:17 < tsa> huebi: www.liniso.de - die verticken linux-cd's ...da hat im forum einer nach rocklinux gefragt, aber der website-betreiber hat wohl keine iso's gefunden..
22:18 < tsa> huebi: wenn du irgendwo boot- und installierbare iso's rumzuliegen hast, kannst du den ja vielleicht mal anmeilen.
22:18 < tsa> s,e,a,
22:18 < tsa> nicht, dass die leute noch nen gentoo bestellen, weil es kein rock gibt..
22:18 < huebi> ftp://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.17/ <- Die neuesten.
22:19 < tsa> ok.
22:19 < tsa> dann kuemmer ich mich da mal drum und schick denen eine mail..
22:19 < huebi> tsa: jo, klasse. ;-)
22:22 < huebi> Das ISO wird demnaechst (1.5.18) wieder kleiner, damit es auf eine normale 650MB CD passt. Ist im Moment 675MB gross
22:22 < tsa> hehe
22:28 < tsa> ok, mail sent.
22:29 < huebi> tsa: sehr schoen.
22:29 < tsa> if they answer, i'll forward it to you, too..
22:29 < huebi> jo thanks.
22:29 < esden> huebi: the movie was very good
22:29 < esden> MIIB ;-)
22:29 < esden> a lot to lough about
22:29 < fake> re....
22:30 < tsa> re fake
22:30 < huebi> re fake 
22:30 < esden> re fake 
22:30 < tsa> ARGHL.
22:30 < tsa> http://www.basupc.de/Sonnenschein.jpg <-- *grusel*
22:31 * fake wgetting and fbi-ing
22:31 < tsa> hehe.
22:31 < tsa> fake: du willst es doch nur ausdrucken und an die wand haengen, gib es zu ;-)
22:32 < fake> omfg...
22:32 < fake> Schnuckelhaeschen...
22:32 < tsa> hehe
22:32 < huebi> MIIB - does sombody need an external backup for this film? *g*
22:32 * fake is even more frustrated
22:32 < fake> i live here for 1 year
22:32 < fake> and i still do not know where to get cigarettes after 22:00
22:33 < tsa> huebi: not needed.
22:33 < tsa> Men.in.Black.2.TS.Line.Dubbed.German.SVCD-TGSC
22:33 < fake> (the 24h gas-station around the corner is open 06:00-22:00)
22:33 < tsa> ;-)
22:33 < chrisime> tsa: gimme
22:34 * chrisime ham will
22:34 < fake> und die stromtechnung is gekommen.... *seufz*
22:34 < tsa> chrisime: probably easier for you to get from huebi ...the other machine probably won't be online long enough to complete downloading..
22:34 < tsa> fake: hehe...teuer?
22:34 < chrisime> huebi: ?
22:35 < fake> tsa: is doch so pseudo-fixpreis... wird nur einmal im jahr angepasst.
22:35 < fake> nur... ich hab halt kein geld.
22:35 < fake> also so gar keins.
22:35 < fake> ausser den 20 EUR die noch in meiner tasche sind...
22:36 < huebi> hat jemand MIB2?
22:36 < fake> ... und die noch fuer 3 monate inklusive 2 wochen urlaub reichen muessen.
22:36 < chrisime> huebi: du!
22:36 < chrisime> oder net?
22:36 < fake> natuerlich nicht - man kann ihn ja noch nicht kaufen! @chrisime
22:36 < fake> die DVD kommt bestimmt erst im Herbst raus *seufz*
22:36 < chrisime> fake: aber laden
22:36 < huebi> chrisime: Ich net, ich suche. Zu not kann esden ja mal alles erzaehlen.
22:37 < fake> chrisime: aber das ist doch ILLEGAAAAL!
22:37 < chrisime> huebi: was erzaehlen
22:37 < chrisime> fake: oops
22:37 < chrisime> ;)
22:37 < huebi> fake: NEIN... externes backup.
22:37 * tsa rafft grad gar nix mehr.
22:37 < tsa> huebi: wie extern?
22:37 < huebi> chrisime: Na den Film...
22:37 < fake> huebi: backup von etwas was du nicht kaufen kannst?
22:37 < fake> unglaubwuerdig.
22:38 < chrisime> huebi: ich guck lieber kino
22:38 < huebi> fake: damit es bis zum Verkaufstart nicht verloren geht und hier einer eingehenden Qualitaetskontrolle unterzogen werden kann.
22:39 < fake> huebi: :-/
22:39 < fake> naaajaaaaa...
22:39 < fake> klingt immernoch nicht so _richtig_ ueberzeugend
22:39 < huebi> ja! fake 
22:40 < fake> huebi: wie waere es wenn du es an beamte anpasst?
22:40 < huebi> fake: hae?
22:40 < tsa> *seufz*
22:40 < tsa> aaaaaalso.
22:40 < fake> huebi: ich habe den film im netz gesehen, da hab ich mir gedacht, verschieb ich ihn gleich auf die externa platte, und schalt die dann aus, dann kann ihn keiner mehr herunterladen und die rechte und anspreuche der macher verletzen.
22:40 < tsa> wer auch immer nun haben will.
22:41 < tsa> ich habs mal eben verschoben.
22:41 < tsa> temporaerer account bis morgen abend, danach ist der wieder dicht.
22:41 < tsa> da hier gelogged wird - /msg bei interesse
22:41 < fake> tsa: nicht public
22:41 < fake> hehe.
22:41 < tsa> ich weiss
22:41 < huebi> <- dickes interesse!
22:42 * fake ist selbstversorger
22:43 < tsa> sonst noch wer?
22:44 < fake> tsa: danke uebrigens fuer den musiktipp. das lied is geil.
22:44 < tsa> hehe...
22:44 < fake> weisst du mehr in die richtung?
22:45 < tsa> hm...noe, eigentlich nicht..
22:45 < fake> schade.
22:47 < tsa> .oO( zeit fuer ftp://mp3.rocklinux.de ? )
22:47 < huebi> GNU Wget 1.8.1 <-neues design. macht sich gut.
22:47 < tsa> design?
22:47 < tsa> huh?
22:47 < fake> noe, zeit fuer http://radio.rocklinux.de/play.pl
22:48 < tsa> hehe..oder so
22:48 < fake> clifford is doch dj...
22:48 < huebi> 82% [=============================>       ] 12,402,688    88.86K/s    ETA 00:28
22:48 < kob> was, gibts das im irnst?
22:48 < tsa> nee..
22:48 < tsa> huebi: und was is da neu?
22:48 < fake> ===> =====>
22:49 < fake> the arrow grows from left to right
22:49 < tsa> oeh....vergiss es - ich hab schon 1.8.1 ..
22:49 < huebi> GNU Wget 1.7
22:49 < tsa> wget 1.8.1 1.7.0-DEV-200202271811
22:49 < huebi> war nicht so toll
22:50 * fake wirft an dieser stelle das wort curl in den channel
22:50 * tsa kotzt.
22:50 < tsa> wozu curl?
22:50 < tsa> es gibt wget.
22:50 < tsa> warum implementieren die leute immer alles doppelt und dreifach?
22:50 < huebi> fake kriegt curl mal so wieder zurueck...
22:51 < fake> tsa: das war vollkommen wertfrei.
22:51 < tsa> fake: mein kommentar dazu nicht ;-)
22:51 < fake> tsa: wozu linux? es gibt doch bsd. warum muss man immer alles 2 mal... etc.
22:51 < tsa> hehe
22:51 < tsa> sachen, die keiner braucht: http://freshmeat.net/projects/dog/
22:51 < huebi> kool in KDE 3.0.2 ist der sound beim Fenster schliessen aus MATRIX
22:52 < tsa> replacement for /bin/cat
22:52 < fake> tsa: schonmal was von meow gehoert?
22:52 < tsa> urgh.
22:52 < tsa> cat mit sound?
22:52 < tsa> au scheisse.
22:52 < fake> ein cat mit sound, exakt.
22:53 < tsa> krank.
22:59 < fake> hm...
22:59 < fake> grade eben is mir was interessantes aufgefallen.
22:59 < tsa> hm?
22:59 < fake> an jeder bushaltestelle an der ich vorbeigefahren bin... da war werbung.
22:59 < fake> fuer Jolt.
23:00 < owl> hmm... lauter koffein-junkies? 
23:00 < tsa> jajajajajaja
23:00 * fake findet das aeusserst besorgniserregend
23:00 < fake> ich muss total durchgeknallt sein
23:00 < tsa> aber du hast recht - hier auch..
23:00 < fake> ach, siehst du sie auch?
23:01 < owl> hm? 
23:01 < tsa> ja, denn sie ist auch hier derzeit gehaeuft vorhanden..
23:01 < tsa> oder meintest du jetzt owl - die seh ich nich, weil ist zu weit weg.
23:01 < fake> tsa: entweder sind wir beide am halluzinieren oder Jolt versucht endlich mal richtig fuss zu fassen
23:01 < tsa> fake: ich vermute letzteres.
23:02 < fake> kewl.
23:02 < fake> KOFFEIN! Niahahaaaahahahaha
23:04 < esden> cu all
23:04 < owl> *g* koffein rulez. man zittert zwar davon und es wird einem eiskalt (*lalala* mein aktueller zustand) - aber egal. es haelt wach und laesst einen solange ueberleben, bis man urlaub hat... ;)
23:04 < tsa> cu esden
23:04 < chrisime> hat jemand ahnung wie ich in freebsd n package installiere
23:04 < huebi> cu esden 
23:04 < chrisime> ich bin in ports rein
23:04 < chrisime> make install
23:04 < chrisime> aba dann issses net installiert
23:04 < tsa> chrisime: pkg<irgendwas>
23:04 < tsa> achso..ports.
23:05 < tsa> hm..k.A.
23:05 * chrisime 's bsd wissen ist total auf 0 gesunken
23:05 < chrisime> pkg_add
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23:07 * fake hoert den spannungsueberschlaegen ein bisschen zu...
23:07 < fake> *tsip* *tsip* *tsip*
23:09 < fake> huebi: i will not get another power supply...
23:10 < fake> wir ham schon 2002, oder?
23:11 < tsa> mom
23:11 < tsa> Tue Jul 23 23:11:07 CEST 2002
23:11 < tsa> jupp.
23:11 < fake> hm... wie komm ich auf 2003?
23:11 < fake> egal. danke.
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23:21 * fake revidiert seine aussagen ueber seine liquiditaet.
23:21 < fake> ich habe nicht kein geld, ich hab sogar noch weniger.
23:22 * fake muss insolvenz anmelden.
23:24 < owl> hmm?
23:26 < fake> is jemand am 25.6. in der naehe von Niedernberg?
23:28 < Ge0rG> 25.7?
23:28 < fake> ne 6.
23:28 < owl> 2003 ?
23:28 < Ge0rG> so lange im voraus plane ich nicht.
23:29 < fake> ne, es is 2002! *stolzist*
23:29 < fake> ah moment
23:29 < owl> *ggg*
23:29 < fake> der 25-6-2002 war schon, oder... ?
23:29 < fake> *verlegengugg*
23:29 < owl> jo...
23:29 < fake> oops.
23:29 < fake> ich hasse das...
23:29 < Ge0rG> hehehe
23:29 < owl> it doesn't matter. ;)
23:30 < fake> seitdem ich nicht mehr jeden tag in der schule rechts oben das datum schreib hab ich absolut keinen plan mehr davon
23:30 < huebi> fake: add date to your prompt
23:30 < owl> hehe ;) datum mitschreiben... bzw. mitschreiben...? *lalala*
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23:32 < fake> owl: das datum. mehr nicht.
23:32 < fake> huebi: ich wuerd nicht hinschauen.
23:33 < huebi> morse code im coursor blinken.
23:36 < huebi> runlvedit is kool. Viel schoener als chkconfig von Rotkaepchen.
23:36 < tsa> ack.
23:36 < fake> hmhm
23:37 < tsa> and it's the only config tool to be accepted for rock.. 
23:37 < th> huebi: die 1.5.16 erzeugt immernoch CVS-dirs im /etc/skel?
23:37 < huebi> Jo, the only config tool fully transparent for me
23:37 < huebi> th: mom
23:38 < th> huebi: die antwort kenn ich ja schon. ich wollte nur meine verwunderung zum ausdruck bringen
23:38 < huebi> ./usr/share/doc/ROCK/Archive/CVS <- da ist noch was...
23:38 < tsa> hehe
23:39 < huebi> th: ich sehe gerade bei 1.5.17 nach. da ist noch einiges passiert in den letzten paar tagen.
23:40 < tsa> huebi: 1.5.18 besteht dann ausschliesslich aus CVS-Verzeichnissen...die packages werden wegrationalisiert ;-)
23:40 < huebi> P160MMX ist laangsaam
23:40 < huebi> tsa: I'll do my very best miss Sophie darling...
23:40 < tsa> darling?
23:40 < tsa> oh-oh
23:41 < huebi> root@sigi:/# find . -name CVS -type d
23:41 < huebi> ./usr/share/doc/ROCK/Archive/CVS
23:41 < huebi> ./usr/share/doc/ROCK/CD-Label/CVS
23:41 < huebi> ./usr/share/doc/ROCK/CVS
23:41 < huebi> ./usr/share/doc/ROCK/Developers/CVS
23:41 < huebi> ./usr/share/doc/ROCK/Developers/FAQ.src/CVS
23:41 < huebi> ./usr/share/doc/ROCK/Guide/CVS
23:41 < huebi> ./usr/share/doc/ROCK/Misc-Stuff/3rd-Party/CVS
23:41 < huebi> ./usr/share/doc/ROCK/Misc-Stuff/CVS
23:41 < huebi> ./usr/share/doc/ROCK/Misc-Stuff/Fun/CVS
23:41 < huebi> ./usr/share/doc/ROCK/Misc-Stuff/Presentation/CVS
23:41 < tsa> .oO( stats-cheater ;)
23:41 < huebi> Das war der Rest.
23:41 < huebi> tsa: ./usr/src/rock-src-1.5.17/Documentation/Archive/CVS
23:41 < tsa> hehe
23:41 < huebi> da ist noch mehr. Aber das ist auch gut so ;-)
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