--- Log opened Tue Jul 30 00:00:22 2002
--- Day changed Tue Jul 30 2002
00:00 < owl> huebi: kaffee trinke ich lieber selbst (nur mir, mir, mir uns sonst niemandem) und kinder - pfui! geh weg!
00:01 < esden> ach owl ... ich bin sicher du liebst kinder
00:01 < esden> sonnst wuerdest du nicht hier im channel sein ;-)
00:01 < owl> esden: wofuer brauche ich das? meine kiste ist warm (mit celeron), sie wehrt sich nicht, und man kann sie kontrollieren
00:02 < owl> esden: *lol* siehe zug sage ich nur... kinder --> *ausrastvorentsetzen*
00:02 < esden> jaja ... wovor waehren ? hmm
00:02 < owl> esden: vor allem
00:03 < owl> esden: was noch gut ist bei meinen lieben kisten: sie verletzen nicht und man kann sie nicht nerven etc. sie haben keine gefuehle (maenner zwar auch nicht... aber lassen wir dieses thema)
00:04 < tsa> ...dafuer nerven uns die Computer aber auch nicht ;)
00:04 < huebi> owl: DU - verletzt? Wo?
00:04 < owl> huebi: wo nicht? schleudertrauma? nein.. nicht ganz.
00:05 < owl> :PPP
00:05 < tsa> huebi: gehirn nicht zum letzten oelwechsel gebracht...da passiert sowas.. ;)
00:05 < huebi> owl: Fotos! Ich will Blut sehen.
00:05 * owl wundert sich gerade, unter welche blutruenstige monster sie hier gekomme ist...
00:05 < tsa> immer diese mechanik..
00:06 < owl> tsa: biste 'ne frau, dass dir das aufgefallen ist *duck*
00:06 < huebi> tsa: Der Nachweis von Denkzellen oder sogar von  Gehirn ist bei Frauen noch nicht eindeutig gelungen IIRC
00:06 < tsa> hm... wir sollten owl vielleicht doch nicht als Putzfrau vermieten...das mit dem Kaffee dauert einfach viel zu lange...
00:07 < owl> tsa: tj0. wie heisst es so schoen: selbst ist der mann! also holt euch euren kaffee gefaelligst selbst
00:08 * owl cannibal corpse - dead human collection
00:08 < owl> haha! yeahaw!
00:08 < tsa> owl = dead human collection ?
00:09 < owl> *lol* nee. 'ne collection bin ich noch ned. aber dead bin ich schon mal.
00:12 < huebi> owl: stink mal nach Leiche.
00:13 < owl> huebi: gucke mal in deine gefriertruhe. sind sicher ein paar versteckt.
00:14 < tsa> *nasezuhalt*
00:14 < owl> huebi: gibt's dann bei der naechsten familienfeier und wird als gans, ente, oder so unter den menschen verteilt
00:14 < tsa> riecht hier komisch..
00:14 < owl> tsa: woran das wohl liegt...
00:14 < owl> eh, ich hab's. du hast den raum betreten!
00:15 < tsa> raum?
00:15 < tsa> wo?
00:15 < owl> hier. #rocklinux
00:15 < tsa> wassn fuern raum?
00:15 < tsa> RAUM?
00:15 < tsa> ist das hier der AOL chat?
00:15 < owl> channel.
00:16 < owl> noe.
00:16 < tsa> j0.
00:20 < tsa> .oO( owl@nblafasel.aol.de )
00:20 < owl> nee.
00:23 * owl trifft heute hoffentlich ihren schatz mal endlich. (nach wochen des wartens)
00:24 < tsa> dein notebook?
00:24 < owl> jo.
00:24 < esden> re hi
00:24 < huebi> owl: eine StarKitty?
00:24 < owl> leider noch ned meines...
00:24 < owl> asus.
00:24 < owl> ?
00:24 < owl> l3c
00:24 < esden> do we want a sparc server 1000e with 4 85mhz processors for rocklinux development ?
00:25 < tsa> esden: i don't, but you should ask ripclaw..
00:25 < huebi> Does somebody need a 4GB FastWide-SCSI disk?
00:25 < huebi> Vendor:                    FUJITSU
00:25 < huebi> Product:                   M2934Q-512
00:25 < huebi> Revision level:            0122
00:25 < esden> huebi: allways ;-)
00:25 < tsa> Status:             broken
00:25 < huebi> 0 entries in grown table.
00:26 < tsa> (grown table unreadable)
00:26 < esden> my alpha always needs space !
00:26 < huebi> tsa: nicht so laut...
00:26 < tsa> hehe ;)
00:26 < huebi> Data from Defect Lists
00:26 < huebi> ----------------------
00:26 < huebi> 1565 entries in manufacturer table.
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00:27 < tsa> (1st entry: head crashed on disk )
00:27 < tsa> *G*
00:27 < huebi> root@ultra:~# fdisk -l /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0/disc
00:27 < huebi> Disk /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0/disc:
00:27 < huebi> 255 heads, 63 sectors, 529 cylinders
00:27 < huebi> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes
00:27 < huebi>        Device Boot    Start       End    Blocks   Id  System
00:28 < huebi> Partition 3             1         1      8001   12  Compaq diagnostics
00:28 < huebi> root@ultra:~#
00:28 < tsa> ^^^^^^^^^^^^ is this account included?
00:28 < owl> hmm... ich habe auch noch zwei platten abzugeben... beide mit headcrash... wer will? ;P
00:28 < esden> huebi: what do you think do we need the box ?
00:28 < esden> owl ich
00:28 < esden> ich haenge die mir auf die wand auf
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00:28 < esden> im offenen zustand
00:29 < huebi> esden: Which box?
00:29 < owl> esden: jo. trauem weiter
00:29 < esden> huebi: sparc server 1000e with 4x85mhz processors
00:29 < tsa> esden: grag' erstmal das gewicht an..
00:29 < esden> ich weiss nicht wieviel ram
00:29 < tsa> s,g,f,
00:29 < esden> owl: du hast gefragt ... nicht ich
00:29 < esden> :P
00:30 < tsa> ..und wo das teil derzeit ist..
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00:30 < huebi> esden: Nice thing to play with but nothing seriously fast.
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00:30 < Mike1> re
00:30 < huebi> hi Mike1
00:30 < esden> huebi: nope ... so that is the question ... should I make effort to get that box or not
00:31 < esden> huebi: it would mean work for me ...
00:31 < esden> huebi: a lot of it
00:31 < Mike1> http://www.rocklinux.org/people/mike/projects/Documentation/
00:31 < huebi> esden: If you want it and if you can get it for free take it.
00:32 < huebi> esden: Sun4m 32Bit.
00:32 < esden> hmm ... ok then not
00:32 < esden> Mike1: give me something ... and I will translate it to polish
00:33 < Mike1> esden: really?
00:33 < esden> we have enough germans that can translate
00:33 < Mike1> cool!
00:33 < esden> so I do polish
00:33 < Mike1> so i will chage the topic from Spanish to Rock Linux Multi-language Documentation Project
00:33 < Mike1> :)
00:33 < esden> hehe yes do it
00:34 < esden> Mike1: I would call it multi-language rock linux
00:34 < esden> because not only documentation needs to be translated
00:34 < Mike1> yes its sort of the goal to make port rock it self to multi lang
00:34 < esden> also webpages and installer programs aso.
00:35 < Mike1> tru esdy :)
00:35 < esden> hehe ;-)
00:35 < Mike1> true*
00:35 < Mike1> good to see someone cared :)
00:35 < esden> fscking gcc2 is not compiling >_<
00:36 * Mike1 re-editing project page
00:36 < Mike1> lol
00:40 < tsa> soooo.
00:40 * tsa going to bed.
00:40 < tsa> cu all.
00:40 < huebi> nacht tsa
00:40 < owl> gn8 tsa
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00:40 < esden> ok ... then I will get a dual xeon 2,2Ghz with 2GB ram
00:41 < esden> on a standing line ... for rocklinux compiles
00:41 < huebi> o_O esden and his pocket calculators
00:41 < esden> huebi: hmm ... yes ... 
00:42 * -> esden packing a quad itanium 4Ghz calculator in to his wrist pocket
00:43 < huebi> qt 3.0.5 is out
00:44 * -> esden needs th ...
00:51 < huebi> esden: The disk has some errors
00:53 < esden> hmm ... It should be menagable by running mke2fs correctly
00:55 < huebi> esden: I try to recover what's on the disk ;-)
00:58 < huebi> Mike1: tomorrow I put you patches into cvs and a few hardware utilities and start a new build
00:58 < Mike1> huebi: good, so they are usefull?
00:59 * -> esden putting his patches into the cvs now
00:59 * -> esden is hoping not to break something ... >_<
01:00 < Mike1> brb
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01:03 < huebi> good night.
01:03 < codeq> gn8
01:05 < esden> huebi: Create-CD patch in the cvs
01:05 < esden> huebi: n8
01:06 < d3mian> cu huebi
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01:08 < Mike1> re
01:08 < esden> re Mike1 
01:08 < esden> *knuddel* ;-)
01:09 < esden> ehhm ... I mean *hug*
01:09 < owl> *lol* esden who r u hugging today? everybody or did i understand something wrong? ;P
01:09 < Mike1> The Multi-Language ROCK Linux Project -= http://www.rocklinux.org/people/mike/projects/multi-lang/ =-
01:10 < esden> Mike1: perfect ;-0
01:10 < esden> owl: all people that I like ... ;-)
01:10 < Mike1> esden had a look at it?
01:10 < owl> esden. i see. :P
01:10 < esden> Mike1: at it
01:11 < Mike1> ?
01:12 < esden> Mike1: "... we find it nesessery ..." 
01:12 < Mike1> line number please
01:13 < esden> Mike1: on my display line two
01:13 < esden> in the first paragraph
01:14 < Mike1> we find the necesity to make the documentation?
01:14 < esden> hmm ... 
01:14 < Mike1> esden reload ur brouser!
01:15 < Mike1> bowser
01:15 < Mike1> damn typos
01:16 < Mike1> <esden> Mike1: "... we find it nesessery ..."
01:16 < Mike1> esden i dont see it!!
01:16 < esden> it is ok ...
01:16 < esden> sorry ... was my mistake
01:16 * Mike1 stressed!!
01:16 < Mike1> ok
01:16 < Mike1> :)
01:17 * -> esden stressing Mike1  ;-) MUAHAHAHA
01:18 < Mike1> Anyone else willing to help us port another language?
01:19 * Mike1 thinks he wont upload "Black Whole Sun" today because he's been stressed
01:19 < d3mian> i can do it for swagili language :)
01:19 < Mike1> lol
01:19 < Mike1> sure
01:19 < esden> lol
01:19 < d3mian> thnx
01:20 < Mike1> How do you say "This will ROCK you" in swagili?
01:22 < d3mian> ahh, it is easy, dunt u know
01:22 < d3mian> let me do it for u:
01:22 < Mike1> yes teach us
01:22 < d3mian> Sweial helor main ROCK nor
01:22 < d3mian> got it?
01:22 < Mike1> lol
01:22 < esden> hehe ;-)
01:22 < esden> loool
01:23 * Mike1 got Men in Black 2, but its in german !!!!
01:23 < d3mian> what other languages u guys are going to document ?
01:23 < esden> Mike1: loooool ;-)
01:23 < esden> *rofl*
01:24 * Mike1 is unfairly pushed to learn german
01:25 < Mike1> d3mian: as much languages as possible
01:25 < d3mian> k
01:26 < Mike1> how many languages you wanna work with?
01:26 < esden> Mike1: hehe ... *push* *push*
01:26 < Mike1> grrr
01:28 < esden> Mike1: *push* *pull* *push* *pull* ;-)
01:30 < Mike1> haha
01:31 * Mike1 setting rsync server for multi-lang ROCK project
01:37 < d3mian> is there a web CVS repository for rock right? where is it?
01:37 < Mike1> d3mian: 1.7 or 1.5?
01:38 < d3mian> .5
01:39 < Mike1> d3mian: have you read the topic of the channel?
01:39 < Mike1> anoncvs for 1.5 now up: CVS_RSH=ssh cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co rock-1.5
01:39 < esden> hehe 
01:39 * -> esden has another ill idea
01:40 < Mike1> ?
01:40 < esden> i will add a new option to the 1.7 config "Color build output"
01:40 < d3mian> a web cvs repository, to browse throughout
01:41 < d3mian> where is it? http://anoncvs.rocklinux.net isnt
01:41 < Mike1> cvs.rocklinux.de
01:41 < fake> aloha
01:41 < Mike1> lo fake
01:41 < esden> d3mian: here is the link http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/
01:41 < esden> on that page
01:41 < d3mian> k
01:42 < esden> or directly http://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/
01:42 < Mike1> esden nice idea
01:42 < esden> yess ;-)
01:43 * -> esden getting his color escape table
01:44 < owl> http://bla.fasel.org/Manager_of_the_year.jpg   << *rofl*
01:44 < esden> lool
01:45 < esden> owl: instead surfing insane sites ... code on rock !!! ;-)
01:45 < fake> esden: read your mail
01:46 < d3mian> ahola fake
01:46 < owl> esden: no. not code on rock. destroy brain, using cannibal corpse. *yeahaw*
01:46 < codeq> owl: go your way! ;)
01:46 < d3mian> owl: cannibal corpse, nice!
01:47 < owl> d3mian: yeah. of course.
01:52 < esden> fake: on it
01:54 < esden> fake: yes I will take you with me
01:54 < esden> if you can stand my presence in the car 
01:55 < esden> fake: offline ???
01:56 < fake> nope
01:56 < esden> ohh good
01:56 < esden> i will try to get away from munich as soon as possible on friday
01:57 < fake> esden: i think i can take it, if we do regular breaks, of course ;-)
01:57 < esden> so I will come by by nos and take you with me ... or you come by by tube in garching
01:57 < esden> fake: good ;-) hehe
01:57 < fake> esden: we will see - it's only monday by now (iirc)
01:57 < fake> esden: may i drive? may i drive?
01:58 < esden> it is tuesday alreay
01:58 < esden> fake: NO 
01:58 < esden> you close your eyes and then is all ok ;-)
01:58 < fake> *arh* >_<
01:58 < esden> MUAHAHA
01:59 < fake> i'll need lots of mathilda's steaks to stand that
01:59 < fake> j/k
02:00 < esden> if the mathilda master will be there then you get a mathilda stake np ;-)
02:00 < esden> s/stake/steake/
02:00 < esden> -e
02:00 < esden> grr
02:02 < fake> esden: i don't want to take anything with me
02:02 < esden> that is ok ... I will also take only my laptop with me
02:03 < fake> esden: I mean non of _it_
02:03 < esden> ohh ... 
02:03 < fake> you know. what made you sing plish *eg*
02:03 < esden> surp
02:03 < fake> polish
02:03 < esden> i mean sure
02:03 < esden> fake: rofl
02:03 < fake> it's a pity i didn't notice much of it
02:04 < fake> esden: you pretty much talked into Mrs. Schustek that night XD
02:04 < esden> jeszcze polska nie zginela puki my zyjemy
02:04 < esden> co nam obca moc zabrala sila odbiezemy
02:05 * fake is a bastard
02:05 < esden> marsz marsz dombrowski z siemi wloskiej do polski
02:05 < esden> fake: ???
02:05 < fake> but i somehow like being a bastard ;-)
02:05 < esden> hmm ...
02:05 < esden> where are you a bastard ? o_O
02:06 < esden> and why ?
02:06 < esden> fake: is it possible to come by this week at you and nos ?
02:09 < esden> or do any one of you have something against it ? 
02:09 < fake> esden: ask nos. it's his home, i don't want to invite people
02:09 < esden> fake: so ask me from me please ... or tell him to go online ... or is he already sleeping ?
02:10 < fake> esden: i should ask you from you if it's ok.... ;-)
02:10 < fake> esden: he has to work this week. so yes, he is asleep.
02:10 < fake> and i will forget to ask, i know me.
02:12 < esden> ok ... so i will ask him tomorrow ... when/if he is online
02:12 < fake> esden: he'll be home by 17:00 he said
02:16 < esden> kk
02:16 < esden> should be back online till then ;-)
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02:26 < Mike1> hi Mon0
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02:27 < Mon0> Hello.
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02:27 < mono_> Oops.
02:27 < mono_> Double named.
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02:28 < mono_> Pissing me off...
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02:34 < esden> what s*** was that ?
02:34 < esden> hehe now I have a colour error output !!
02:34 < esden> hehe
02:51 < owl> wo ist bitte die muenchener strasse, wenn man beim hauptbahnhof ist...? bzw. wo ist inside computer (buslinie...) ...? weiss da jemand?
02:53 < fake> muenchener str. is die qfette strasse die parallell zu den schienen verlaeuft
02:53 < fake> bahnhof: vorderausgang ruas, erste ampel links, auf der rechten seite is inside
02:53 < owl> dankeschoen :)
02:54 < fake> is abern stueckle.
02:54 < owl> jo. ich werd's ueberleben. wenn ned, dann kann man das feststellen, wenn ich morgen nicht online bin ;P
02:54 < fake> etwa 7-8 minuten zu fuss
02:54 < owl> oh kewl. d.h. mir wird die bahn wieder mal direkt vor der nase wegfahren. :-/
02:56 < fake> ( einfache strecke )
02:56 < owl> wie ist denn der support bei inside ueberhaupt? gut  oder schlecht? kompetente angestellte oder nur teuer bezahlte ladendekoration?
02:57 < fake> ich finds net schlecht
02:57 < fake> und bingo vertraut auch auf die, iirc
02:58 < owl> ok. d.h. wenn problem --> blame fake for everything ;P
03:00 * d3mian is being powered by Moonspell - Opium
03:01 < esden> that looks terrible : echo -e "`echo "test" | sed 's,^,\\\e[31;1m>\\\e[0m ,'`"
03:01 < esden> is someone having a better solution ?
03:01 < d3mian> umm, to use colors ?
03:01 < d3mian> or what does it has to do ?
03:01 < esden> this is only a test ... it is looking in real like that :
03:02 < fake> d3mian: good music!
03:02 < fake> Opium... desire by will....
03:02 < esden> echo -e "`echo "`tali < somefile`" | sed 's,^,\\\e[31;1m>\\\e[0m ,; s/^\(.\{70\}\).\{3,\}/\1 ../'`"
03:03 < esden> echo -e "`echo "`tail < somefile`" | sed 's,^,\\\e[31;1m>\\\e[0m ,; s/^\(.\{70\}\).\{3,\}/\1 ../'`"
03:03 < d3mian> but, what da u need this for ?
03:04 * fake currently listens tp the Sisters of Mercy
03:04 < d3mian> to give color to lines ?
03:04 < d3mian> nice fake
03:04 < esden> it is getting last 10 lines of a file ... prepends it with a red arrow ... and turncates all lines to 70 characters
03:06 < d3mian> ok
03:07 < fake> esden: new error shower for rock? ;-)
03:11 < esden> hehe 
03:11 < esden> yes
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03:12 < esden> hey now it works cool
03:12 * owl leaves you now.
03:12 < owl> cu. gn8
03:12 < d3mian> hi zoran667 , hi zoran667
03:12 < d3mian> bye owl
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03:13 < esden> ahh ... now it works ... and I optimized one line of clifford code ;-)
03:14 < Mike1> esden excellent
03:15 < d3mian> nice esden
03:17 < fake> Wenn der Vater mit dem Sohne einmal ausgeht
03:17 < fake> und dann keiner gern nach Haus geht
03:17 < fake> dann erleben sie unterwegs die dollsten Sachen
03:17 < fake> mal zum Weinen - mal zum Lachen
03:21 < d3mian> cu
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03:23 < fake> *argh*
03:23 < fake> voll die lags hier
03:24 < esden> ja bei mir auch
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03:27 < esden> who wants to see the beautiful patch ?
03:27 < esden> please msg me the email adresses ;-0
03:27 < esden> )
03:28 < fake> esden: 1.7 or 1.5 ?
03:28 < esden> 1.7
03:35 < fake> oh me me me!
03:35 < esden> ???
03:36 < fake> the patch
03:36 < esden> kk
03:36 * -> esden tired
03:36 < fake> mv esden /home/esden/room/bed
03:40 < esden> fake: mail sent
03:42 < esden> fake: got it ?
03:42 < fake> jep
03:42 < fake> thanks
03:43 < esden> good
03:44 < fake>  ________
03:44 < fake> < Roarr! >
03:44 < fake>  --------
03:44 < fake>      \
03:44 < fake>       \
03:44 < fake>        ("`-'  '-/") .___..--' ' "`-._
03:44 < fake>          ` *_ *  )    `-.   (      ) .`-.__. `)
03:44 < fake>          (_Y_.) ' ._   )   `._` ;  `` -. .-'
03:44 < fake>       _.. `--'_..-_/   /--' _ .' ,4
03:44 < fake>    ( i l ),-''  ( l i),'  ( ( ! .-'
03:44 < fake> 
03:45 < esden> o_O 
03:45 * -> esden hiding behind Mike1 
03:46 < Mike1> lol
03:46 < esden> monster ... eat Mike1 not me !!!
03:46 < esden> ;-)
03:46 < esden> *push*
03:46 * Mike1 removing esdens songs
03:47 < fake> *lol*
03:47 * Mike1 takes a sword get away evel freak
03:47 < Mike1> evil*
03:47 * Freak tickles Mike1
03:48 < esden> *rofl*
03:48 < esden> hi fake 
03:48 < esden> ups
03:48 < esden> hi Freak 
03:48 < Mike1> lol
03:48 < Freak> Freak even
03:48 < Freak> ;)
03:48 < Mike1> hello Freak
03:48 < Freak> hey there guys
03:48 < Freak> but that kitty-cat above is schweet :)
03:49 < fake> *meow*
03:49 * Freak pets fake
03:49 < Freak> awww how cute
03:49 < Freak> now he purrs
03:50 < Freak> my cat just came into my room
03:50 * fake bites Freak
03:50 < fake> *harr*
03:50 < Freak> ow!
03:50 < fake> <- 2bed
03:50 < fake> cya later.
03:50 < Freak> ...
03:50 * Freak cries
03:50 * fake grins
03:50 < Freak> nitenite
03:51 < fake> *waves*
03:51 < esden> n8 fake 
03:56 < Mike1> n8 all
03:57 < esden> http://www.esden.net/desktops/shots/color-1.7-build-1.png
03:57 < esden> http://www.esden.net/desktops/shots/color-1.7-build-2.png
03:58 < Mike1> nice
03:58 < Mike1> :)
03:58 < esden> ahh good
03:58 < esden> hehe ;-)
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04:02 < Freak> esden: nifty
04:02 < Freak> esden: u use wmkr?
04:02 < esden> Freak: sure !! ;-)
04:03 < esden> Freak: I think most people here use wmaker
04:03 < Freak> I think I showed you my gallery yet, did I?
04:03 < Freak> do they??!
04:03 < esden> Freak: no you have not
04:03 < Freak> *lookingupthechanname* no it's not #windowmaker..
04:04 < esden> Freak: I have the feeling they do
04:04 < Freak> then have a look at http://linuid.dhis.org/~freak/guckmal/screenshots/
04:04 < esden> hehe
04:04 < Freak> heh
04:04 < Freak> (only the newer ones are wm, I was a bad boy before.)
04:05 < esden> tztztz
04:05 < esden> ;-)
04:08 < Freak> they're mostly intended to attract people to wmkr
04:08 < Freak> attracting, that would be.,
04:09 < esden> Freak: they are not bad ... I love beautiful desktops ... my last screenshot is not amazing ... because it is only a very fast setup
04:11 < Freak> yea ic
04:12 < Freak> do you still have that picture of natalie portman?
04:13 < esden> yes I have
04:14 < esden> do you want it ?
04:14 < Freak> can you like.. put it online?
04:14 < Freak> uh-huh!
04:14 < esden> everybody wants this image ... tztztz
04:15 < Freak> hrhr
04:15 < Freak> hmmm
04:15 < Freak> Forbidden
04:15 < Freak> You don't have permission to access /desktops/chrissi.jpg on this server.
04:16 < Freak> mnkay... :)
04:16 < esden> no penmission ;-)
04:16 < esden> my picture ;-)
04:16 < Freak> hehe
04:16 < Freak> yup thought so :)
04:17 < esden> http://www.esden.net/desktops/np_wallpaper_04.jpg
04:17 < Freak> tänks
04:17 < esden> np
04:25 < esden> hmm ... god that are really old screenshots in that directory 
04:25 < esden> there are screenshots of the beginnings of bchat ... terrible
04:29 < esden> ok i go home
04:29 < esden> cu all
04:29 < Freak> n8
06:59 < huebi> moin
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08:17 < huebi> [anders]: Moin. Are you awake?
08:19 < [anders]> huebi: I am now.. :)
08:20 < [anders]> moin alles
08:21 * [anders] had to tweak the order of a few packages in the latest snaphot, then it builds fine.. was the order of package, gnome-vfs, gnome-mime-data and something else.. 
08:23 < [anders]> mmmmm.. Natalie Portman is not that pretty actually..
08:24 < [anders]> huebi: you still here or have you wandered off somewhere?
08:24 < huebi> [anders]: I just came back ;-)
08:25 < huebi> Ella take a bath
08:25 < huebi> +s
08:25 < [anders]> huebi: hehehe.. Okay.. you were looking for me.. Anything I can help you with?
08:26 < huebi> Yes There are other more interesting women than Miss Portman ;>
08:26 < huebi> Yes. I had a look at the patches from Miguel
08:26 < huebi> gcc 3.x is not needed if I see that right?
08:26 < huebi> to build Gnome2
08:27 < huebi> You just said you changes the build order of some Gnome packages.
08:28 < [anders]> huebi: Correct, you do not need gcc3 for that. I built and installed gnome2 by hand on a ROCK 1.4.0 (slightly updated with various packages). All the really core things like gcc, glibc etc are from ROCK 1.4.0
08:28 < [anders]> Yeah, the order of a few things made them break. I'll send you patches when I am done. :)
08:29 < [anders]> I will start making the packages for the Gnome2 things, but I wil keep them in a separate tree..
08:29 < huebi> I want to try Gnome2 in the official tree. You and Miguel did much work on Gnome2 and I think we should just put it in the official distribution if it works fine.
08:30 < huebi> Ok I wait for your final patches for Gnome2 and then I test it.
08:33 < [anders]> Okay.. Some of the Gnome1.4 packages gets replaced by Gnome2 packages. Like gdm for example. Gnome1.4 and Gnome2 can happily co-exist I think.. I have to test it..
08:33 < huebi> I put now some more very hardware specific programs like mtx, mt-st, scsiinfo in the tree. mtx is a must for tapelibraries.
08:34 < huebi> [anders]: One idea is to have gnome1.4 in /opt/gnome1 and gnome2 in /opt/gnome2
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08:45 < [anders]> huebi: you want me to set it up that way?
08:45 < [anders]> going to have to shoot off now.. I am *late* for work..
08:50 < huebi> [anders]: Yes, if it possible for you, please do it in that way.
08:51 < huebi> [anders]: cu later ;-)
10:07 < [anders]> huebi: Okay, I will try and do it that way. Do you want me then to keep all of Gnome 1.4 and have it installed in /opt/gnome1 and then just add all the new stuff in Gnome2 to /opt/gnome2 ?  And what would you like me to do with the things (only few things) that are common between the two?
10:08 < [anders]> moin alles again.. :)
10:09 < huebi> [anders]: What things are common? I think about having two separate and independent gnome trees
10:12 < huebi>  all together = alle zusammen
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10:13 < tsa> moin
10:13 < huebi> [anders]: all together = alle zusammen - so "moin zusammen" is more common
10:13 < huebi> tach tsa
10:13 < tsa> hi huebi
10:13 < huebi> tsa: did owl bring you your breakfast coffee?
10:15 < tsa> no.
10:15 < tsa> she didn't. bad girl.
10:21 < [anders]> huebi: ok, /me will try and remember that..
10:23 < [anders]> huebi: things like libxml2 and libxslt are common between the two..
10:23 < [anders]> huebi: I wonder if I first of all should try and install both gnome and gnome2 as per normal.. It appears to be designed to work if you do that..
10:24 < huebi> hmm. One other Idea is to put both then in /opt/gnome
10:25 < [anders]> huebi: that might be the best idea.. Or use /usr/gnome ?
10:27 < huebi> [anders]: and also /usr/kde. I have to read the FHS again. I personaly don't trust gnome and KDE to be secure at all. That's the reason I don't like them to be direcly mixed with the rest of the system.
10:29 < huebi>  /opt should be clean and only reserved for extensions.
10:33 < [anders]> huebi: perhaps we should use /usr/gnome and /usr/kde then.. I will add in all the packages I have managed to build so far and I'll add Mike1's patches as well as he is doing a fair bit of work on this as well and there is no need to duplicate work.. :)
10:33 * [anders] realises that putting up the ISO's on this box for people to pull might not have been my smartest idea ever...
10:35 < [anders]> uptime = 5 days, 12:56  eth0 RX bytes:161787239 (154.2 MiB)  TX bytes:2861314945 (2.6 GiB)
10:35 < huebi> [anders]: o_O
10:36 < [anders]> my guess is that I have had 4 ISO's pulled so far, and the fifth is being pulled now..
10:38 < huebi> To have Gnome1 and Gnome2 in parallel for a short time is good. If Gnome2 stabilises Gnome1 can be moved to the extensions.
10:39 < huebi> [anders]: Have a look in your access.log of apache
10:41 < [anders]> huebi: I agree keeping them separate is good, but if you try and get something like Evolution to build, you will need all your Gnome stuff in one place or you will have to patch makefiles left, right and center.. :-/
10:42 < [anders]> there is a few GET for the iso's in the log..
10:45 * [anders] will have to tweak the build env not to build stage 5 until I am happy with stages 1-4.... I would dearly like to know how I could build just stage 1+2 and then 'save state' so to speak so I can build stage 3 over and over again until I am happy with it..
10:45 < [anders]> like build stage 3, oh it failed, roll back, tweak, build stage 3 again..
10:45 < tsa> should be sufficient to remove the 3-*.log files
10:45 < tsa> and 3-*.err
10:46 < [anders]> never have any files from stage 3 packages around when starting stage 3 again..
10:46 < huebi> [anders]: If you delete ./dist/var/adm/logs/3-* stage 3 will be redone
10:46 < tsa> huebi: what's the current default behavior regarding _nodel_?
10:47 < [anders]> tsa: yes, but things like package when they get built are used by things like gnome to register themselves, if those 'register' files are left around, gnome could build in one run, but if I clean it out properly, if miiiight not work as the register file is no longer there..
10:48 < tsa> hm..
10:48 < [anders]> huebi: I know of that one, and I had planned to do that.. but if I could stop the build after stage 2, I could tar up ./dist with only stage 1+2 things in there..
10:49 < huebi> tsa: ./script/Build-All does not call ./scripts/Cleanup anymore. ./scripts/Cleanup still recognizes _nodel_
10:49 < [anders]> After a run through stage 3, I could remove dist, extract from the tar file and I could then build stage 3 all over again without having to do stage 1+2...
10:51 < huebi> [anders]: coment out line 147 and 148 in ./scripts/Build-All
10:51 < huebi> +m
10:52 < [anders]> huebi: I will do that.. then when I have stage 1+2 I can tar it up, then uncomment those lines again yes?
10:53 < huebi> [anders]: Yes and make_chroot.sh should be created as before.
10:54 < [anders]> huebi: cheers.. I might even copy Build-All to Build-12 and use that in my private tree in case I want to do this often..
10:54 < tsa> hehe
10:54 < tsa> everybody seems to have his "private tree" ;)
10:56 < huebi> [anders]: of course you can - "...but we don't support that without our special premium platinum contract with diamond." *g*
10:56 < [anders]> tsa: it is very handy to have a private tree.. ;-)
10:56 < tsa> [anders]: yes, i know..
10:56 < tsa> huebi: lol
10:57 < [anders]> huebi: *ggg* I'll take the 'El Cheapo' option in the contract then.. ;-)
10:57 < [anders]> tsa: only joking friend.. no offence ment.. :)
10:57 < tsa> [anders]: yes, sure..i have my private tree, too..
10:58 < tsa> just minor differences..
10:58 < [anders]> tsa: eine eichen? ;-)
10:58 < tsa> [anders]: hm?
10:59 < [anders]> tsa: I was intending to have my private tree with just a few tweaks as well. . As it has happened all of those tweaks has made it into the cvs somehow.. :)
10:59 < [anders]> tsa: only joking.. :)
10:59 < tsa> [anders]: ah, i see.
10:59 < huebi> [anders]: el cheapo is included for nothing in our hardware and software upgrade contract.
10:59 < tsa> what did you use to translate tree to "eichen" ?
10:59 < [anders]> was referencing your 'private tree'..
11:00 * tsa confused.
11:00 < [anders]> tsa: I remembered that oak was eichen in german.. and since that is the only type of tree I know of in german.. baum is tree I think..
11:00 < huebi> [anders]: tree = Baum
11:00 < tsa> (Eiche = oak)
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11:00 < tsa> hahah
11:00 < tsa> hi clifford
11:01 < huebi> moin clifford
11:01 < clifford> http://www.rocklinux.org/people/clifford/Meeting200208/
11:01 < clifford> hi all.
11:01 < [anders]> tsa's private wunderbaum...? ;-)
11:01 < [anders]> moin clifford
11:01 < clifford> hi [anders]
11:01 < tsa> [anders]: hm...something like that. although i wouldn't refer to it as something special.
11:02 < tsa> it's nothing more than the place where i can fuck things up ;)
11:02 < clifford> Build-Pkg now has an -update option and Update-System finaly works ..
11:02 < tsa> cool.
11:02 < [anders]> tsa: that's how I view my tree as well.. But also a place where I can tune things a little..
11:02 < tsa> [anders]: yeah, that's it.
11:02 < tsa> clifford: hm....i can't reach www.rocklinux.org from here.
11:03 < [anders]> I will add LVM tools to my tree if they are not already there and I will also enable lvm in the kernel.. I want to be able to do lvm installs from the CD if possible..
11:03 < tsa> anybody else having trouble?
11:03 < [anders]> kaffe!
11:03 < tsa> $ telnet www.rocklinux.org 80
11:03 < tsa> Trying 212.17.81.26...
11:03 < tsa> telnet: connect to address 212.17.81.26: No route to host
11:03 < huebi> www.rocklinux.net is dead too
11:04 < huebi> no, it's up again
11:04 < huebi> both
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11:05 < huebi> moin Ge0rG
11:06 < Ge0rG> guten morgen
11:08 < clifford> huebi: will you come to the dev meeting?
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11:10 < clifford> hi again. I _love_ thos isdn reconnects...
11:10 < huebi> clifford: yep, I'll come, too
11:11 < huebi> clifford: How many reconnect do you have a day?
11:11 < clifford> It's now from 2002-08-07 to 2002-08-11 so we also have the weekend.
11:11 < clifford> one every 6 hours.
11:12 < tsa> hm..
11:12 * tsa would really like to attend, but i have to get some work done here.
11:12 < clifford> are you here for all 5 days?
11:13 < huebi> mom, I have to ask my wife.
11:13 < tsa> *ROTFL*
11:13 < tsa> now we know who's the boss at huebi's home ..
11:13 < tsa> ;)
11:13 < clifford> As said: we have a lake here. So if you want to bring your family they won't be bored ..
11:14 < tsa> btw...someone made a web form to count rock installations a while ago..
11:14 < tsa> are there any stats on how many installations we have?
11:14 < clifford> pjotr prins was that.
11:15 < tsa> ah.
11:15 * tsa wondering what pjotr is doing..haven't heard anything from him for a while now..
11:16 < clifford> huebi: ping! did you wife kill you?
11:18 < tsa> hm...it seems like we need a new maintainer for huebi's tree. ;-)
11:19 < tsa> huebi: do you plan to re-appear or do we have to hand over your tree to your wife? ;)
11:28 < [anders]> mmmmm... espresso is nice when you want to wake up .. :)
11:29 < tsa> hehe.
11:29 < huebi> re
11:29 < tsa> pure caffeine, too.
11:29 < huebi> alles genehmigt
11:29 < tsa> re huebi!
11:29 < huebi> Should I bring some pure caffeine to the meeting?
11:33 < clifford> huebi: where are you coming from and do you have free space in your car?
11:33 < clifford> (for the html page)
11:35 < tsa> huh? how can a html page take up space?
11:36 < huebi> clifford: I come from Darmstadt (Frankfurt) And have 3 seats free.
11:37 < huebi> aproximatly 42.000.000.000.000.000 pages
11:38 < clifford> huebi: you are coming alone or with our family?
11:38 < clifford> s/our/your/  ;-)
11:38 < tsa> huebi: w/ or w/o title page?
11:39 < tsa> hm....webalizer sucks.
11:43 < clifford> huebi: ping!
11:43 < clifford> :x
11:43 < tsa> this is not vi.
11:43 < clifford> oups - that was ment for the vi window ...  :-)
11:43 < tsa> hehe
11:46 < clifford> huebi: how many are you and do you sleep at my place or the hotel???
11:49 < huebi> re
11:49 < clifford> huebi: aehm.... how are my chances to get an answer??
11:49 < huebi> I come alone. My wife visits her mother in Bremen. I'd like to stay at your home.
11:50 < clifford> thx. I added you to the html page.
11:50 * huebi just makes some pizza. Still some problems with multitasking ;-)
11:51 < huebi> I bring 3x24 0.5l bottles of Jolt with me
11:51 * [anders] will start hacking on Gnome2 in a bit.. Next week should get easier. Gf is away for a few days and I'll get time to work on it then.
11:52 < tsa> [anders]: what about your other girlfriends? ;)
11:53 < [anders]> tsa: other ones? :-) Or do you mean the ex-wife.. ;-)
11:53 * [anders] has very few friends at all actually..
11:53 < tsa> [anders]: that's a quite common problem among geeks, it seems.
11:54 < [anders]> tsa: well, I have always found it more relaxing sitting at the computer typing away listening to music than being in a pub where music I don't like is blaring out and lots of drunk people is stumbling about.
11:56 < [anders]> not that I have anything against having a drink... (/me is quite partial to a strong G&T)..
11:58 * [anders] was offended when a while ago was told 'you are not a geek'... /me is geek and proud. :)
11:58 < esden> morning guys
11:58 < tsa> hi esden
11:58 < [anders]> yo esden
11:58 < esden> here something for you :
11:59 < clifford> [anders]: that's why 'm a DJ: I can be in a club and listen the music I want to hear ..   ;-)
11:59 < esden> http://www.esden.net/desktops/shots/color-1.7-build-2.png
11:59 * huebi has to get Ella out of the box for esdens stuff.
11:59 < clifford> hi esden. The meeting is extended: 2002-08-07 to 2002-08-11
11:59 < tsa> i see.
12:00 * -> esden had an insane idea to make rocklinux buildscripts output color ;-) in 1.7
12:00 < tsa> esden: it seems pdksh doesn't compile with dietlibc
12:00 < esden> clifford: do you want the patch ?
12:00 < esden> tsa: yes seems so ... ;-)
12:00 < [anders]> clifford: makes sense..  :) but I am not good at playing music, I enjoy listening to it though.. :)
12:00 < huebi> esden: Dark blue on black is only for alien eyes. Humans can't read that *g*
12:00 < esden> tsa: but I fixet it already now bash is not compiling
12:00 < esden> huebi: :PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
12:00 < tsa> esden: hm..fix bash then, too ;)
12:01 < tsa> esden: erhm....is this a dietlibc-based build on alpha?
12:01 < tsa> hostname says alpha..
12:01 < [anders]> esden: nice bash hilite scheme.. :)
12:01 < esden> tsa: no on intel
12:02 < clifford> esden: no - thanks. Maybe we implement something like that later when the output plugins are there (for lcd, etc)
12:02 < tsa> esden: your intel machine has hostname set to "alpha"?
12:02 < tsa> esden: and your alpha is named "intel", then? ;)
12:02 < esden> clifford: I was sure you will say that ... 
12:02 < huebi> ( esden's long tongue shows me that he really is an alien.)
12:02 * -> esden want's output plugins *jumparound*
12:03 < esden> huebi: :P
12:03 < esden> huebi: I like you too :P
12:03 < tsa> hehe
12:04 < huebi> (I must send him an alien care pack.)
12:04 < esden> tsa: this is only the hostname ... I have to change it some day 
12:04 < tsa> esden: yes.
12:05 * -> esden gives huebi "baldrian tropfen"
12:05 < huebi> my alpha is named gamma
12:06 < tsa> very intuitive.
12:06 < esden> hehe
12:07 < huebi> the 1. alpha is normaly called "aalpha. very boring. Better to find out each time where Iam.
12:08 < esden> my alpha is called natalie ... that is the best name ;-)
12:09 < tsa> why?
12:09 < tsa> i thought your girlfriend's name was jpeg..
12:09 < huebi> *LOOL*
12:10 < huebi> I had a girlfriend called Natalie ages ago.
12:11 < esden> hmm ... the mailinglist is moohhing and miowwing ... strange
12:12 * -> esden hunting cows and cats
12:12 < huebi> esden: Take a look on the moon phase. In the moment thats normal
12:12 < tsa> wot?
12:12 < tsa> cow-hunting is not allowed here.
12:12 < esden> huebi: ehhhmm ... kkk
12:12 < tsa> mathilda will get very mad at you, otherwise.
12:12 * -> esden going to eat something
12:12 * -> esden looking forward to the mathilda stake
12:13 * huebi having the pizza
12:13 < esden> that I will get in Vienna ;-)
12:15 < [anders]> esden: you are going to stake Mathilda? How cruel..
12:16 < [anders]> :-)  stake = wooden stick, steak = peace of meat, usually from a cow.. :)
12:18 * tsa preferring steak.
12:19 < tsa> _large_ with pepper sauce
12:19 < tsa> *grr* being hungry, now.
12:20 < huebi> tsa: english or medium?
12:20 < tsa> huebi: medium.
12:21 < tsa> with some salad, fries or potatoes or something.
12:22 < huebi> I prefer it english with fries
12:23 < tsa> sounds good to me, too.
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12:24 < tsa> hi bluefire
12:26 < [anders]> err.. 'english steak' meaning what?
12:26 < tsa> still being quite bloody.
12:26 < huebi> [anders]: with blod in it
12:26 < huebi> +o
12:27 < [anders]> aahh.. so you call it 'english' while the english call it 'rare'
12:27 < tsa> yes.
12:29 < bluefire> Moin
12:29 < huebi> hi bluefire
12:29 < [anders]> mmhmmm... /me prefer it somewhere between medium and medium rare... Thin strip of red/pink dow the middle of the steak..
12:30 < [anders]> down even.. And with chips (pommes frites), peas and a nice dollop of Colemans mustard.. :)
12:31 < huebi> [anders]: sound also very good.
12:31 < [anders]> And of course a pint of Carling Black Lable lager to wash it down with.. ;-)
12:32 < tsa> <- HUNGRY
12:33 < [anders]> <- eating lunch.. thick sandwiches with german pepper salami as filling..
12:34 < [anders]> and a big mug of Earl Grey tea to drink with that.. :)
12:34 < tsa> tea? hm..
12:34 < huebi> I like to have a stout with the steak
12:34 < tsa> <- caffeine-addicted
12:34 < tsa> huebi: or two or three or .. ;)
12:34 < [anders]> huebi: stout? you like a good pint of Guinness then.. :)
12:35 < [anders]> tsa: tea will give you the caffeine buzz as well... It is only more plesant to drink.. :)
12:35 < huebi> [anders]: Yes. And also McKilkeney (or how it's writen)
12:36 < [anders]> Kilkenny or McEwans ? :)
12:36 < huebi> tsa: be glad to only be adicted to caffeine. Earl Grey is much more efficient.
12:36 < huebi> Kilkenny
12:37 < [anders]> mm.. then there is Murphys as well.. but Guinness is the best stout by far.. I'll go to Dublin at some point to try out the Guinness there.. It is said to be the best in the world there..
12:51 < [anders]> spamassassin is working very nice indeed.. :) It is now enjoyable browsing through the spam looking at how they scored. :)
12:51 < tsa> hehe
12:52 < [anders]> A friend here at work got a spam that scored 37 something points.. :)
12:52 < tsa> nice.
12:52 < [anders]> my top score is only in the twenties..
12:53 < tsa> it's really funny when work mail gets classified as being spam ;)
12:53 < [anders]> must be visiting the wrong websites or subscribing to the wrong mailing-lists... ;-)
12:53 < [anders]> tsa: not got that yet.. will see what happens.. :)
12:53 < tsa> hehe....we're using mailman for internal mails and a co-worker sent a mail about his credit card..
12:54 < tsa> so there was an unsubscribe comment and something about credit cards -> classifed as spam ;)
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12:55 < oversize> hi
12:55 < oversize> mann will ja sauerb bleiben 8)
12:55 < tsa> hehe
12:55 < tsa> hi oversize
12:58 < huebi> esden: ping....
13:02 < [anders]> huebi: trying out the Build-12 script now.. Decided I might as well try and incorporate as much of Gnome2 as I can now.. :)
13:03 < clifford> hmm... 2.05b.0(1)-release has funny changes in tab completion ..
13:06 < tsa> in what way?
13:09 < clifford> when typing e.g. "./scri<tab>" I get "./scripts " instead of "./scripts/"
13:10 < clifford> So I need to press <backspace>, <slash> so I can continue the command line.
13:12 < huebi> clifford: is that behaviour customisable?
13:13 < clifford> huebi: I don't know. I'm just running a ./scripts/Update-System here to update all packages to the latest versions an now recognised this strange behavior.
13:14 < huebi> ok. IIRC there is also a very customisable tab-completion package for the bash
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13:18 < clifford> huebi: yes. looks like is has been merged in. There are two new builtins: 'compgen' and 'complete' to control it.
13:20 < huebi> clifford: nice to hear that.
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13:23 < tsa> hi tomik
13:24 < tsa> hm..
13:24 < tsa> sybase still doesn't want to sell any stuff.
13:24 < tsa> www.sybase.de -> server error.
13:25 < tsa> same as yesterday and during the weekend.
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13:28 * clifford released snapshots 200207301310.
13:29 < tsa> c00l.
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13:39 < huebi> cu later. The Alien Care Package must be send.
13:43 < oversize> where are the kernel images suppose to be stored in ?
13:43 < tsa>  /dev/null
13:43 < tsa> ;-)
13:43 < oversize> ?
13:43 < oversize> ja
13:43 < oversize> ?
13:44 < tsa> kernel -> /bott
13:44 < tsa> boot
13:44 < tsa> or what are you looking for?
13:44 < oversize> well i just compiled a new kernel and am wondering where to put it to point lilo to it
13:45 < tsa> ah.
13:45 < oversize> some default director maybe ?
13:45 < oversize> +y
13:45 < tsa> cp /usr/src/linux/System.map /boot
13:49 < tsa> cp /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/mykernel
13:50 < tsa> edit /etc/lilo.conf
13:50 < tsa> lilo.
13:50 < tsa> reboot.
13:52 < tsa> <- gone.
13:52 < oversize> k cu
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14:07 < esden> ahh
14:07 < esden> ph34r my n4kk1d 5k1llz
14:12 (Users #rocklinux)
14:12 [ [anders]  ] [ clifford] [ fake ] [ huebi    ] [ SMP  ] 
14:12 [ aszlig    ] [ coldie  ] [ Freak] [ oversize ] [ snyke] 
14:12 [ blindcoder] [ d3mian  ] [ Ge0rG] [ rolla    ] [ tomik] 
14:12 [ bluefire  ] [ esden   ] [ h0h0 ] [ rxr_away_] 
14:12 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 19 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 19 normal]
14:12 < esden> [11:11] < clifford> It's now from 2002-08-07 to 2002-08-11 so we also have the weekend.
14:12 < esden> that is very good !!!
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14:12 < esden> this way i am able to come by
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14:53 < rolla> re
14:59 < esden> re rolla 
14:59 < rolla> how goes things ?
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15:04 < clifford> esden: so when are you going to be here?
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15:09 < esden> clifford: i will drive of from munich on friday evening .. and will drive back on sunday evening
15:10 < clifford> esden: you will be alone. right?
15:10 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+nck owl]
15:10 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Tue Jun 11 09:27:41 2002
15:11 < esden> mode -k #rocklinux 
15:11 < esden> ups
15:11 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o esden] by ChanServ
15:12 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o clifford] by ChanServ
15:12 <@clifford> hehe!
15:12 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+c] by esden
15:12 < snyke> color!*jump*
15:12 < snyke> :)
15:12 < snyke> esden:
15:12 < snyke> r u @ bitz?
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15:13 < armijn_> hmm
15:13 < armijn_> weird...
15:13 <@esden> hmm
15:13 < armijn_> can't join the channel in another window
15:13 <@esden> armijn_: really strange
15:13 < armijn_> I will quit that one I think :)
15:13 * clifford is sure that's esdens fault ...   ;-)
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15:13 < Ge0rG> hehe
15:13 < armijn> wicked
15:13 <@esden> clifford: sure everything is my fault ;-
15:13 <@esden> (
15:14 < armijn_> well, off here I think :)
15:14 < armijn> bye armijn_!
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15:14 -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o esden] by esden
15:14 < armijn> :)
15:14 < esden> hmm
15:14 < esden> strange stuff
15:14 <@clifford> esden: how many seats do you have free in your car?
15:14 < armijn> everything is esdens fault
15:14 < armijn> esden: can you come and pick me up as well?
15:14 < armijn> :)
15:14 -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o clifford] by clifford
15:14 < esden> I have two another seats free
15:14 < esden> and I take fake with me
15:15 < armijn> make a detour to .nl
15:15 < armijn> should be fun
15:15 < armijn> hehe
15:15 < esden> armijn: yes sure .. it is just on our way to .at
15:15 < esden> ;-)
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15:15 < clifford> fake is also from munich?
15:16 < armijn> wasn't it bonn?
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15:16 < esden> armijn: he is haing vacation so he is in munich at his friends
15:16 < esden> hi Freak 
15:16 < Freak> re
15:16 < armijn> friends?
15:16 < esden> i mean friend
15:17 < armijn> friend?
15:17 < esden> hacking all the time on rock
15:17 < armijn> you mean he's staying somewhere
15:17 < armijn> :)
15:17 < esden> armijn: yes 
15:17 < armijn> I will probably install Gentoo this week
15:17 < armijn> on a machine
15:17 < clifford> meeting page updated.
15:17 < armijn> just to try it
15:17 < clifford> .. so it's only three people so far ..
15:17 < clifford> esden: how are the Rolling ROCK Articles doing?
15:17 < armijn> also need to install another RedHat...and probably Solaris
15:18 < esden> and I have my programming practics in munich next week ... so I will be there anyway ... and after the class i will get fake and drive with him to vienna
15:18 < armijn> afk
15:18 < esden> clifford: hmpf ... no time yet ... ;-) i had to finish alpha ... but it is as far as I wanted it to be so I can now do more on that
15:19 < esden> i mean articles and dietlibc
15:19 * -> esden kicking dietlibc
15:20 < clifford> aha - I didn't understand how far the articles are now ..
15:20 < esden> clifford: you can take the irc summary out ... I will not be able to write it ... sorry
15:20 < esden> it is too much to summarize >_<
15:20 < clifford> esden: It's already out since a while. It doesn't seam to be usefull for a span of multiple months anyways ...
15:21 < esden> yes I think so too
15:21 < clifford> The frontpage has a link to the mail archive and irc logs - that's all.
15:21 < clifford> (that's one of the reasons why I made the irc logs overview page)
15:22 < esden> clifford: yes I think that is enough ... 
15:22 < esden> I hope so at least
15:22 < clifford> topic change: what's the status of net-tools on dietlibc?
15:23 < clifford> I need it for the install disks..
15:24 < clifford> (it's one of the two external programs our linux will depend on)
15:25 < esden> clifford: I am currently fighting in the stage 1 >_<
15:25 < esden> thar is a real mess
15:25 < esden> I had nearly everything working
15:25 < esden> and then from one day to another everyching was broken >_<
15:25 < clifford> esden: net-tools is part of stage 1.
15:25 < esden> but I will menage it
15:25 < esden> moment ...
15:26 < esden> clifford: but it is after bash right ?
15:26 < esden> ..
15:26 < esden> let me take a look
15:27 < clifford> yes.
15:28 < esden> hmm bash is currently not building under dietlibc >_< grrr 
15:28 < esden> something is wrong with locale stuff >_<
15:28 < esden> ok sh-utils are broken too
15:28 < esden> fileutils too
15:29 < esden> findutils too ...
15:29 < esden> textuitls 
15:30 < esden> ahh diffutils are building cool
15:30 < esden> patch is building too ..
15:30 < esden> make is not building
15:30 < esden> greub is building ... ok
15:30 < rolla> is drock the same as rock with just more desktop type stuff ?
15:30 < esden> sed is building too
15:31 < esden> gzip likes me too
15:31 < esden> ahh tar is also my friend
15:32 < tomik> and explorer.exe has you
15:33 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux
15:33 < Mike1> moin all
15:33 < esden> ok gawk, flex, bzip2, bison, autoconf, curl and wget
15:33 < esden> are building
15:33 < esden> hi Mike1 
15:34 < esden> sysvinit is not building
15:34 < Mike1> esden i tested ur patch it worked on stages 0 and 1 after stage it fucked up
15:34 < armijn> esden: does the alpha stuff work already?
15:34 < armijn> need to install alpha with rock
15:34 < Mike1> after stage2*
15:34 < esden> Mike1: aha ... ok 
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15:35 < esden> armijn: yes most things work ... and you can create a bootable iso ... but it is not tested correctly yet because I had no cdrom and burner that would work to test intensivly
15:35 < esden> Mike1: ok ... will take a look 
15:36 < esden> clifford: net-tools are building !!!
15:36 < armijn> esden: ok, I need an iso :)
15:36 * armijn afk
15:36 < clifford> esden: when do I get the patch?
15:36 < esden> in stage 1 at least .. and that does not mean much yet
15:36 < Mike1> esden: but it looks quite nice
15:36 < esden> clifford: today
15:36 < Mike1> hallo clifford
15:36 < clifford> great.
15:37 * clifford is working on the linuxrc program right now ...
15:38 < esden> armijn: that will be difficult .. because I do not have a good data transport here ... I will see what I can do
15:39 < esden> huebi: do you have a possibility to take a look at pcmcia-cs in 1.5 tree ... ???
15:39 < esden> huebi: please
15:47 < armijn> k
15:48 < esden> armijn: ok I am now copying the iso on my laptop ... but I can not promice if the iso works as it shoul because you are the first one to test it ... :-(
15:48 < esden> armijn: sorry
15:48 < [anders]> *gahen*
15:49 < Mike1> hi [anders]
15:49 < [anders]> I guess that means the same as *yawn*... :)
15:49 < [anders]> yo Mike. :)
15:49 < esden> hi aszlig 
15:49 < esden> arghs
15:49 < esden> i mean hi [anders] 
15:49 < esden> >_<
15:50 < [anders]> *lol*  Hi there esden.. :) Is the tab-completion tripping you up ?
15:50 < Mike1> [anders]: you want me to sent you the 18 patches i made for gnome2?
15:50 < esden> [anders]: yes it is >_<
15:52 < esden> "do not underestimate the bandwith of esden running with his laptop through Ingolstadt" ;-)
15:53 < [anders]> Mike1: yes please.. I'll be hacking the packages in the next few days to try and get them in.. Are your patches replacing gnome1 packages or are they ment to co-exist gnome1 and gnome2?
15:54 < [anders]> and did you get the e-mail ? :)
15:54 < [anders]> @ Mike1
15:54 < Mike1> they replace then but note that to make gnome2 work we have add aditional packages that are not in the base currently
15:54 < Mike1> [anders]: yes i got it
15:55 < Mike1> the idea of having both gnome1 and gnome2 sounds good to me
15:55 < Mike1> but we have to keep in mind that currently a base+opt iso is almost 700MB
15:56 < Mike1> so we will probably have to remove kde from our private trees in orders to get an iso with gnome1 and 2 working
15:59 < [anders]> I know.. This is a worry to me and I think we should probably start looking at how to solve the problem of installing from a two CD set..
16:00 < esden> ohh god guys ... another feature in 1.5 >_<
16:00 < esden> 1.5 will never stabilaze
16:00 < [anders]> It is possible to di that, but I don't know how to make the core installer know of packages from the 2nd CD..
16:00 < [anders]> esden: it will..
16:01 < esden> [anders]: if we add more and more features it will never get stable ...
16:01 < Mike1> [anders]: i will ask Rene the did a nice work with this on dRock
16:02 < Mike1> esden: this features have not been added to the current cvs tree, only to [anders] and mine's private 1.5 trees
16:02 < Mike1> [anders]: mail sent
16:02 < [anders]> esden: this is not for 1.6.0, this is something thst we should try and implement into 1.6.1
16:03 < esden> clifford: please add the next week event to the news on the frontpage ... or you want to add it afterwords ?
16:03 < [anders]> Mike1: Thanks.. It should turn up in the next few mins.. :)
16:03 < esden> [anders]: ok ...
16:04 < [anders]> esden: it has been overdue to get the facility to install from a >1CD set in ROCK for a while now..
16:04 < Mike1> clifford: http://www.rocklinux.org/people/mike/projects/multi-lang/
16:05 < [anders]> Mike1: does Gnome1 still build cleanly with your patches applied? :)
16:05 < [anders]> I have not had a chance to try it myself yet, I was just wondering if you had already tried it...
16:06 < Mike1> [anders]: it should but i havent test it i will probable do it tonight
16:06 < Mike1> i have been busy with 1.7
16:06 < esden> [anders]: sure ... we need it ... but i do not like the idea to add _any_ new packets or features in the moment ... we need 1.6 ... afterworkd we can add what we want ... and then bring 1.6.1 out or so
16:07 < [anders]> Mike1: I have copied and modified the Build-All script (called it Build-12) so I can build only stage 1+2 and make a copy of the dist directory. Then I can build stage 3 over and over again until I am happy..
16:08 < [anders]> esden: that was my idea.. I would like Gnome2 to wait until 1.6.1 and have a more polished gnome install then that uses Gnome2 and only have what is required from gnome 1.4 to build packages that isn't yet converted to gtk+ 2.0
16:09 < esden> [anders]: good ;-)
16:09 < rolla> is there a problem with terminfo for rxvt on rock 1.5.16 ?
16:10 < Mike1> esden: i guess what you mean is that i shouldnt have sent the gnome patches i sent the other day
16:10 < rolla> my vim does not show color with rxvt on it :( but it works on xterm
16:11 < [anders]> Mike1: if Gnome 1.4 still builds with thos patches in, no problem.. :)
16:11 < [anders]> those even..
16:14 < Mike1> ok :(
16:15 < [anders]> Gnome2 is pretty and as a work-environment it looks great, the opt directory I installed it into is 250MB in size however..
16:15 < esden> Mike1: I do not know what patches it were ...
16:15 < [anders]> Even with good compression in bzip2, that is an additional 50-60 MB on the CD.. on top of everything else..
16:15 < esden> but now I go to bitz
16:15 < esden> cu l8er
16:16 * -> esden going to a climatized room !!!
16:16 < esden> hehe
16:16 < Mike1> see you esden
16:16 < [anders]> cya esden
16:17 < Mike1> [anders]: so perhaps we should make a new private tree with only gnome2
16:17 < Mike1> and port our work for 1.6.1 as you said before
16:17 < Mike1> or even if we get it to build stable before maybe it can be added
16:18 < [anders]> Mike1: that sounds like a good plan..
16:18 < Mike1> so lets do it :)
16:18 < Mike1> and work together on it if you lik
16:18 < Mike1> +e
16:19 < [anders]> The primary objective is to get 1.6.0 out the door and sooner rather than later.. When Rene is back, he should fix the kernel packages in 1.5.17 and then 1.6.0 is only days away..
16:19 < [anders]> Mike1: Sounds a good plan to me.. :) Two heads are better than one.. ;-)
16:19 < Mike1> :)
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16:20 < tsa> re
16:20 < Mike1> hi tsa
16:20 < tsa> hi Mike1
16:20 < [anders]> moin tsa, wie gehts?
16:21 < tsa> hi [anders]
16:21 < tsa> hehe...seems we can export LANG=de_DE soon ;-)
16:21 < [anders]> nein, ich kannst nicht viel deutsch sprachen.. :)
16:22 < [anders]> I only know bits of german, and not very much or good at that..
16:22 < tsa> [anders]: well, i guess you speak enough german now to order a beer and a woman.. ;-)
16:22 < Mike1> d3mian: are you awake?
16:22 < Mike1> tsa: is there anything more to learn besides that?
16:23 < [anders]> tsa: would that be something along the lines of "Ein bier und eine schöne frau bitte"
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16:23 < tsa> Mike1: no, nothing else important, as far as i can remember..
16:23 < tsa> [anders]: yes, that's perfect.
16:24 < [anders]> perhaps there should be another word between 'schöne' and 'frau' but that is a bit rude and I don't kbnow it... :)
16:24 < [anders]> -b
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16:25 < tsa> hehe
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16:25 < tsa> hi Ge0rG
16:25 -!- h0h0 [~hoho@3ffe:80ee:7c6:0:0:0:0:fe] has joined #rocklinux
16:25 < Ge0rG> re
16:25 < tsa> hi h0h0
16:26 < h0h0> `lo
16:26 * [anders] nees a german <-> english dictionary
16:26 < tsa> [anders]: http://dict.leo.org
16:26 < Ge0rG> [anders]: look for "ding" on freshmeat...
16:27 < [anders]> I ment a dead tree version.., but thanks anyway guys.. :)
16:28 < Ge0rG> [anders]: then you should look on amazon ;)
16:29 < h0h0> heh, thats a nice way of putting it
16:33 < rolla> :)
16:34 < [anders]> I will.. I need to get my old russian <-> swedish dictionary sent over to me by my parents I think.. Or I'll pick it up next time I go and visit them..
16:40 < armijn> blah
16:42 < tsa> hi armijn
16:42 < armijn> hi
16:46 * Mike1 creating 1.5.17-private tree
16:52 < [anders]> Mike1: huebi was suggesting earlier we use /usr/gnome1 and /usr/gnome2 to keep the two separate, but from what I can tell, they should be able to co-exist in /usr both of them quite nicely. Not to mention that things like Evolution then becomes a lot easier to deal with.
16:52 < [anders]> which reminds me, I should probably pester the Ximian guys again.. Evolution 1.0.8 doesn't build, even when dependencies are met..
16:55 < Mike1> [anders]: you sure they can co-exist fine?
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17:02 < Mike1> root@alicia:/mnt/devel/rock-1.5.17-private# patch -Nfp1 < eel.patch
17:02 < Mike1> patching file base-config/eel/eel.pz
17:02 < Mike1> Hunk #1 FAILED at 1.
17:02 < Mike1> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file base-config/eel/eel.pz.rej
17:02 < Mike1> root@alicia:/mnt/devel/rock-1.5.17-private#
17:02 < Mike1> what does this error mean?
17:03 < [anders]> Mike1: I am not 100% certain until I try..
17:03 < armijn> that's a patching error
17:03 < Mike1> armijn: i know its a patching error what i need to know is what does it mean
17:04 < Mike1> i have seen this error before
17:04 < armijn> well, look at the rejects file!
17:04 < Mike1> but i dont know what is it
17:04 < armijn> paste the first few lines here...
17:04 < Mike1> <flood>
17:05 < Mike1> ***************
17:05 < Mike1> *** 1,4 ****
17:05 < Mike1>   ---- scripts/packages 030.846
17:05 < Mike1> - o --3-5- x11   eel                     1.0.2                   "Free"
17:05 < Mike1>   ---- base-archive/INDEX 1
17:05 < Mike1> - 3226516659 eel/eel-1.0.2.tar.bz2 ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/stable/sources/eel/
17:05 < Mike1> --- 1,4 ----
17:05 < Mike1>   ---- scripts/packages 030.846
17:05 < Mike1> + o --3-5- x11   eel                     2.0.0                   "Free"
17:05 < Mike1>   ---- base-archive/INDEX 1
17:05 < Mike1> + 1224790858 eel/eel-2.0.0.tar.bz2 http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/2.0.0/releases/gnome-2.0-desktop-final/
17:05 < [anders]> I kept gnome2 completely separate as I was not sure what was going to happen.. and since this laptop is my workstation and what I use for a living, I was not going to jeopardise it..
17:05 < Mike1> </flood>
17:05 < Mike1> thats all what the .rej file say
17:05 < Mike1> [anders]: so lets just go for independent packages untill we get it to build properly :)
17:06 < armijn> that's the whole thing?
17:06 < [anders]> Mike1: Ack..
17:06 < Mike1> armijn: yes
17:07 < armijn> probably you're patching in the wrong directory
17:07 < armijn> or, that's what patch thinks...
17:07 < Mike1> armijn: mmm.. ok i will have a deper look
17:10 * [anders] has now successfully run the Build-12 scripts, then backed up the dist dir (about 100MB tgz) and is now running the Build-3 script to build only and just stage 3. :)
17:11 * Mike1 wants those scripts
17:11 < [anders]> Means I don't have to rebuild stages 1 and 2 again if stage 3 fouls up.. :)
17:11 < [anders]> Mike1: e-mail then to you?
17:11 < [anders]> them even.. :)
17:12 < Mike1> YES :-)
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17:12 < rolla> re
17:13 < [anders]> warning, they are just hacked about versions of Build-All ... :)
17:14 < Mike1> *sent it* *sent it* :)
17:15 < tsa> hehe
17:16 < d3mian> good afetrnoon there!
17:16 < d3mian> good morning Mike1
17:16 < Mike1> Good morning d3mian
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17:16 < Mike1> d3mian: http://www.rocklinux.org/people/mike/projects/multi-lang/Documentation/
17:19 < d3mian> ohh nice :)
17:19 < tsa> c00l.
17:19 < d3mian> well, i have to take a breakfast
17:20 < tsa> (although it seems i've forgotten most of my spanish ;-)
17:20 < Mike1> i'm only missing the FAQ, BUILD-CLUSTER, and HACKING-HOWTO
17:20 < Mike1> tsa: it might help you remember some :)
17:20 < tsa> Mike1: yeah, sure...
17:20 < d3mian> tsa: me too :(
17:20 < Mike1> d3mian: so go take ur breakfast
17:20 < d3mian> :)
17:21 < tsa> en COMPILAR, dice: Digite './scripts/Cleanup --full'
17:21 < Mike1> tsa: perhaps you might wanna help with lang=de_DE
17:21 < Mike1> yes so?
17:22 < tsa> ./scripts/Cleanup -full
17:22 < tsa> solo un "-"
17:22 < Mike1> oh :)
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17:22 < tsa> LEAME: "maintaners"
17:23 < tsa> +i
17:23 < tsa> ;)
17:23 < Mike1> tsa: yeah i cant think of a nice word in spanish for it
17:23 < [anders]> Mike1: e-mail has now been sent, you should have it in a few minutes.. :)
17:24 < tsa> Mike1: necesito un "i" mas..
17:24 < tsa> maintaners <-> maintainers
17:24 < Mike1> mm..
17:25 < Mike1> both typos fixed thank you tsa
17:25 < tsa> ok.
17:25 < Mike1> tell me more :)
17:25 < tsa> no he encontrado otros errores.
17:25 < Mike1> *g
17:26 < Mike1> i still need to add the "ñ" to some words and "tildes" as well
17:26 < tsa> ah, si. pero no se como lo puede hacer.
17:26 < Mike1> tonight i will finish to translate BUILD-CLUSTER and FAQ
17:27 < Mike1> tsa: yo tampoco estoy muy seguro pero voy a trabajar en ello
17:27 < tsa> .oO( export LANG=de_es_en )
17:27 < tsa> *G*
17:28 < tsa> Mike1: ok..
17:28 < Mike1> tsa: so what do you think about taking care of lang=de_DE?
17:29 < Mike1> So far we are working on spanish and polish
17:29 < Mike1> right <<ESDEN>>??
17:30 < [anders]> export LANG=es_de_en
17:31 < [anders]> esdeen ?
17:32 < Mike1> [anders]: http://www.rocklinux.org/people/mike/projects/multi-lang/multi.html
17:33 < Mike1> we even someone to help us with swedish
17:33 < [anders]> Mike1: looking at it.. has the e-mail arrived?
17:33 < [anders]> Huu.. you'd like me to do some xlation to svenska? *g*
17:34 < Mike1> hehe why not
17:35 < [anders]> After I get gnome2 working.. :)
17:36 < [anders]> I have to keep my 'outside of work' workload down a bit.. I can't take on too much as I would not be able to do much and I don't want to disappoint people..
17:36 < Mike1> [anders]: yes i got the mail thanks :)
17:36 < tsa> Mike1: i'll have a look at the docs later....shouldn't be that difficult, i guess.
17:37 < tsa> guess i'll just start and send you what i got.
17:37 < Mike1> tsa: no it is not dificult at all
17:37 < Mike1> tsa: i can give you an rsync account for to work around and whe you are done i will merge your work with the others
17:38 < Mike1> it took me less than 1 hour to translate half the docs so its pretty easy
17:38 < tsa> Mike1: don't currently need one, guess it'll be easier to just send you the stuff by mail.
17:38 < [anders]> <- afk
17:38 < Mike1> [anders]: dont worry we will do step by step
17:38 < tsa> cu [anders]
17:38 < [anders]> cya chaps. back later...
17:39 < Mike1> tsa: ok
17:39 < Mike1> cu [anders]
17:46 < esden> re hi all
17:47 < Mike1> re esden :)
17:52 < tsa> cu all.
17:52 < tsa> have to get some more work done..
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18:10 < Mike1> hello bluefire
18:12 < esden> clifford: ping ?
18:12 < bluefire> Hi
18:12 < esden> hi bluefire 
18:54 < blindcoder> hi all
18:56 < Mike1> hi blindcoder
18:57 < esden> hi blindy
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19:01 < blindcoder> i hate screen >_<
19:02 < h0h0> I don't see why people use screen
19:04 < blindcoder> too lazy to manage 25 XTerms
19:06 -!- owl [~mail-spam@B56a4.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux
19:06 < blindcoder> hi owl
19:06 < owl> hi
19:06 < owl> hi blindcoder
19:07 < rolla> re owl
19:07 < Mike1> Preparing build in \e[34;1m/R.work/src.gtk+1.1028025664.987.3606075763\e[0m
19:07 < Mike1> Building. Writing output to \e[35;1m$root\e[34;1m/var/adm/logs/3-gtk+1\e[33m.out\e[0m
19:07 < Mike1> see esden?
19:09 < blindcoder> esden: you here?
19:09 < Mike1> <<E...S...D...E...N>>
19:13 < esden> Mike1: hmm ...
19:13 < esden> blindcoder: es hat schon mehr oder weniger sinn wegen dem traffic ... die frage ist nur wieviele es wirklich ist ...
19:14 < esden> blindcoder: die frage ist ob sich der aufwand lohnt ... 
19:14 < blindcoder> esden: heute warens 5 Leute
19:15 < blindcoder> esden: nachdem bereits Auto-Away implementiert ist ist Auto-Logoff nur ne Formsache
19:16 < esden> ja schon klar ... aber die frage ist ob es echt so viel traffic ist das es sich lohnt noch mehr die leute zu vergraulen ... 
19:16 < blindcoder> der traffic juckt mich ehrlich gesagt gar net :)
19:17 < blindcoder> nee ich füge jetzt eifach ne zweite zahl in accounts/community.php ein die anzeigt wieviele Leute Away sind
19:17 < esden> ja dann sehe ich kein argument dafuer die leute zu vergraulen
19:17 < esden> deshalb bin ich dagegen
19:17 < esden> ja mache das
19:17 * blindcoder @work
19:18 < blindcoder> esden: implementiert
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19:22 < huebi> MoeP!
19:22 -!- coldie [jeff@232pc232.sshunet.nl] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
19:22 < Mike1> moin huebi
19:22 < owl> hi huebi
19:22 -!- clifford [~clifford@62.46.1.209] has joined #rocklinux
19:22 < Mike1> re clifford
19:22 < huebi> esden: The Alien Care Packet is on the way to Ingolstadt.
19:22 < owl> hi clifford
19:23 < huebi> hi Miguel , hi owl
19:25 < Mike1> huebi: earlier today i was talking to [anders] about the improvements to include gnome2, is well know that we have run out of space on the base+opt cd, and will need in a near future to work arround multiple cd installs
19:25 < d3mian> hi clifford huebi
19:25 < huebi> hi d3mian
19:25 < Mike1> no i know that if we add gnome2 now it will be just another feature and will distract us a little bit on the way to get stable
19:26 < huebi> Mike1: We can have Gnome2 now for testing purposes and if it works we can move gnom1 to the extensions.
19:26 < Mike1> so hopefully my patches wont affect gnome1 to build
19:26 < Mike1> huebi: yes what we thought is to create a new private tree
19:26 < Mike1> once we get it to build properly we add it to the base
19:27 < Mike1> and move gnome1 to the base
19:27 < Mike1> ext*
19:27 < huebi> ACK
19:28 < Mike1> but i think we should add multiple cd install to the TODO list
19:33 < esden> huebi: coool !!!!!!! *jumparound* 
19:33 * -> esden fighting changes in bash that were made in the last version >_<
19:34 < esden> blindcoder: gut ...
19:34 < esden> re clifford 
19:35 < esden> ahh bash is now compiling *jump_up_and_down*
19:41 < huebi> Ripclaw is coming soon. Bringing a dual Pentium 200 MMX for installation debuging
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20:02 < h0h0> can anyone get to spyproductions.com
20:02 < h0h0> nevermind
20:02 < h0h0> its ecn-defective
20:17 -!- WKaibigan [~Aloicious@ACB47A4A.ipt.aol.com] has joined #rocklinux
20:20 -!- demo [~clifford@M095P017.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
20:20 < Mike1> hi demo :)
20:21 < d3mian> hallo demo
20:21 < demo> hi. just testing ...
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20:21 < clifford> hmm... that works fine.
20:21 < Mike1> clifford: ?
20:21 < clifford> I am demo.
20:21 < Mike1> ja ich wiess
20:22 < Mike1> but i mean what are you testing?
20:22 < d3mian> #rocklinux can't join channel (need correct key)
20:22 < clifford> nick@kaibigan.org.uk just wrote on the mailing list that he can only connect with a keyword...
20:22 < clifford> did anyone play arround with 'mode +k' ???
20:23 < clifford> d3mian: correct.
20:23 < d3mian> yes, i also read that mail, but dunno why the guy is having that prob
20:24 < WKaibigan> I am the one that posted the mail. I closed down MIrc and started it up again and got into the channel.
20:24 < Mike1> WKaibigan: hehe strange
20:25 < WKaibigan> Very weird. I could get into other channels with no problem.
20:25 < clifford> ok - problem solved. I'm falling back into my coma now..  ;-)
20:25 < esden> clifford: it can be that i made something some time ago wrong ... but I have corrected it ... many hours ago
20:25 -!- clifford is now known as clifford_away
20:25 < esden> the channel is now having only +cn ... that is standard
20:25 < esden> hmm
20:26 < huebi> esden: Mathilda will alway join this chanel...
20:27 < Mike1> huebi: BTW where is Mathilda?
20:27 < esden> humm
20:28 < huebi> Mike1: Taking care of the Alien Care Packet for esden
20:29 < esden> hehe ;-)
20:29 < Mike1> huebi: nice
20:30 * -> esden is looking forward to see the packet ... there is some black paper with blue text on it in the packet ... and a itanium box ;-)
20:30 < Mike1> esden funny thing the colors on the build dont work for .out and .log but if get a .err it shows up colors
20:34 < esden> hmm ... really strange ...
20:35 < Mike1> esden yes certainly
20:36 < Mike1> anyways i'm going to get lunch now see you in a while
20:37 < esden> Mike1: I am currently messing around with stage 0 and 1 with dietlibc ... so if i get beyond I will correct this problem 
20:37 < Mike1> esden sure, anyways i will look at it later i first want to finsih my build and see if i can fix some of the errors i got
20:38 * Mike1 away
20:48 < [anders]> I is back... Time to have a poke about with the gnome2 cruft..
20:51 < [anders]> moin zusammen
20:51 < [anders]> or something along those lines iirc..
20:52 < huebi> re [anders]
20:52 < [anders]> yo huebi.. wie gehts?
20:56 < [anders]> <- afk, shopping a bit quickly..
20:56 < huebi> [anders]: fine ;-)
20:58 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-2-213.tin.it] has joined #rocklinux
20:59 < d3mian> re [anders], hi plfiorini
20:59 < plfiorini> hi d3mian
20:59 < plfiorini> god i need a 700mb cdr
20:59 < plfiorini> so i'll install rock ;)
20:59 -!- plfiorini is now known as plfiorini|a
21:01 < d3mian> nice plfiorini|a ;)
21:02 < esden> ok ... got food
21:04 * Mike1 back
21:04 < Mike1> ciao plfiorini|a
21:06 < Mike1> Yo guys tsa is having the same problem WKaibigan was having with the keyword
21:06 < Mike1> who set it up?
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21:07 < tsa_> urgh
21:07 < Mike1> :)
21:07 < tsa_> interesting
21:07 < Mike1> tsa_: ?
21:07 < d3m|an> didnt have probs
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21:08 < owl> hi tsa.
21:08 < tsa_> from my home machine: -- Cannot join #rocklinux (Requires keyword).
21:08 < tsa_> seems to be a server problem.
21:08 < Mike1> should we mode -nc
21:08 < Mike1> ?
21:08 < WKaibigan> tsa: Same as I got when I tried earlier.
21:09 < tsa_> yeah, i read your mail..
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21:10 < tsa> aaah...better
21:10 < Mike1> hehe
21:10 < Mike1> tsa: what did you do?
21:10 < tsa> Mike1: changed server
21:10 < tsa> bear.openprojects.net seems to be ok.
21:10 < d3mian> i was reading above tsa, u speak very good spanish
21:11 < Mike1> tsa: just i told ya :)
21:11 < tsa> sendak.openprojects.net has the problem.
21:11 < tsa> Mike1: yeah, you're correct..
21:11 < Mike1> d3mian: claro tsa es un experto en español
21:11 < esden> argh ... I sometimes want to kill some developers ... >_<
21:11 < tsa> hehe
21:11 < Mike1> esden: ?
21:12 < tsa> esden: hm....let's see..
21:12 < tsa> esden: rene?
21:12 < esden> the sh-utils developers are not using the defines in the libc but are defining everything by themselves ... and that is not working correctly ... and/or their config scripts are messed up
21:15 < d3mian> ion ruleZ
21:16 < d3mian> but i couldnt find a keybind to split frames vertically :(
21:17 < esden> ion ?? o_O
21:17 < esden> url ?
21:17 < d3mian> ion, a windowmanager, look for it in freshmeat
21:18 * Mike1 likes windowmaker
21:18 < Mike1> :)
21:20 < d3mian> i found that keybind now :)
21:20 < esden> hmm /me taking a look
21:21 < tomik_> wm!
21:21 < tomik_> mmm ;)
21:21 -!- tomik_ is now known as tomik
21:24 < tsa> GRRRR.
21:24 < tsa> all of rxr
21:24 < Mike1> ?
21:24 < tsa> 's cvs stuff has wrong cksums.
21:25 < tsa> using cksums with cvs doesn't make any sense to me, anyway..
21:27 < Mike1> tsa: i am currently running an 1.7 build, got 25 broken packages untill now, 20 of then belongs to rene's category i will ask him when he gets back
21:27 -!- plfiorini|a is now known as plfiorini
21:27 < Mike1> re plfiorini
21:27 < plfiorini> re Mike1
21:27 < plfiorini> oh well my scooter woorks fine
21:27 < plfiorini> it is the first boot with the new engine
21:28 < plfiorini> d3mian: i would want to build a new distro based on rock
21:28 < plfiorini> d3mian: i love rock for this reason
21:28 < d3mian> nice
21:29 < plfiorini> d3mian: totally based on gnome
21:29 < plfiorini> d3mian: but first i must look at drock
21:29 < d3mian> btw, Mike1, ur 1.5.17 build cd restart my PC after lilo finish loading the ramdisk
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21:29 < Mike1> plfiorini: and with export lang=it_IT?
21:29 < lilo`> hmmm, so should there be a key on the channel?
21:29 < Mike1> hi Rob
21:29 -!- mode/#rocklinux [-k owl] by lilo`
21:30 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+k test] by lilo`
21:30 < plfiorini> Mike1: yeah
21:30 -!- mode/#rocklinux [-k test] by lilo`
21:30 < lilo`> hey Mike1
21:30 * lilo` heard there was some sort of desync problem
21:30 < Mike1> lilo`: somehow some people has been having trouble login here
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21:30 < esden> hi lilo
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21:31 -!- tsa_ [~uucp@attila.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de] has joined #rocklinux
21:31 < esden> there are people having probems to join
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21:31 -!- frederic [~root@pD9502A74.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux
21:31 < frederic> hi
21:31 < esden> they get the information that they need a vaild key
21:31 < esden> hi frederic 
21:32 < esden> lilo`: i thought that there was a +k mode in the channel but there is none ... or I am blind :-/
21:32 < lilo`> esden: there may have been a desync problem with it
21:32 < Mike1> lilo do you think this could be a single server issue ?
21:32 < lilo`> esden: I added a key and removed it, I think that fixed it
21:32 * Mike1 testing
21:32 < esden> lilo`: ok ... we will see ... thanks 
21:32 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting")
21:32 < tsa> anyway, the problem seems to be gone.
21:33 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux
21:33 < Mike1> seems to work for me
21:33 -!- weasel_ [weasel@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux
21:33 < weasel_> hmm seems to be ok
21:33 < lilo`> good
21:33 < plfiorini> Mike1: are you interestd in export LC_ALL=it_IT? why? are you italian?
21:33 < Mike1> thank you so much Rob
21:33 < lilo`> I think it was some sort of odd +k desync
21:33 -!- weasel_ [weasel@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit (Client Quit)
21:33 < lilo`> not a problem!
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21:34 * tsa happy again.
21:34 < Mike1> plfiorini: no i'm costarrican but i sort i realized it would be in it since you are from italy :)
21:34 < esden> tsa: here you have a gutti ;-)
21:34 < tsa> these guys are fast. less than a minute after i msg'd lilo and everything is fixed..
21:34 < plfiorini> Mike1: hehe :)
21:35 < esden> tsa: this guy is doing this all day ...
21:35 < esden> and nothing besides it ...
21:35 * Mike1 thinks how cool it would be to have support for italian on Multi-Lang Rock project
21:35 < esden> Mike1: that would be really cool
21:35 < tsa> esden: desyncing servers to be helpful and resync them? ;-)
21:36 < esden> tsa: hehe ;-)
21:36 < esden> Mike1: we currently have en, es, de, pl ... right ?
21:37 < Mike1> esden: yes
21:37 < esden> good ... we need more ;-)
21:37 < Mike1> pretty nice for a project that has been started less than 24 hours ago
21:37 < esden> Mike1: and you will have to coordinate all this ;-)
21:37 < esden> Mike1: have fun ;-)
21:37 < esden> muahahaha
21:38 < Mike1> esden: sure i will, just need to make some pression over the mainatiner
21:38 < Mike1> *are polish docs finished*
21:38 < Mike1> ?
21:38 < Mike1> *are polish docs finished*
21:38 < Mike1> *g
21:38 < d3mian> is Ripclaw italian ?
21:39 < Mike1> d3mian: no
21:39 < esden> d3mian: NO
21:39 < Mike1> d3mian: but plfiorini is :)
21:39 < esden> Mike1: do not bug me ;-)
21:39 < d3mian> k, dunno why i was thinking so, :p
21:39 < Mike1> d3mian: http://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/gallery/
21:39 < d3mian> who could be interested in polish language ?
21:40 * Mike1 bugging esden
21:40 < Mike1> *bug* *bug* *bug*
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21:41 -!- th [th@rocklinux.de] has joined #rocklinux
21:41 < rolla> re th
21:41 < tsa> hi th
21:41 < Mike1> hi th
21:41 < huebi> moin th
21:41 < esden> Mike1: :PPPP
21:41 < d3mian> th: ion ;)
21:42 < plfiorini> hi th
21:42 * th just connected to opn. this join was not wanted.
21:42 -!- th [th@rocklinux.de] has left #rocklinux ("seriously distressed.")
21:42 < tsa> huh?
21:42 < Mike1> what was that?
21:43 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p50802FCA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:43 < tsa> i don't know, but th seems to be a little bit confused..
21:43 < tsa> hi chrisime
21:44 < Mike1> tsa: maybe upset?
21:44 < esden> hmm ...
21:44 < Mike1> hello chrisime
21:44 < chrisime> jo
21:44 < tsa> Mike1: i don't know.
21:44 < chrisime> esden: !!!
21:44 < esden> what is the alternative network to opn ?
21:44 < esden> hi chrisime 
21:44 < chrisime> esden: openbsd geht net mit dsl
21:44 < chrisime> da kackt
21:44 < chrisime> was
21:44 < tsa> esden: ask aszlig.
21:44 < huebi> chrisime: bullshit.
21:44 < chrisime> das ding meckert sich eins ueber meine ppp.conf ab :(
21:44 < esden> chrisime: bei mir daheim get es einwandfrei
21:44 < chrisime> huebi: :*(
21:44 < chrisime> esden: bin zu dumm wohl
21:45 < chrisime> hast von cd installiert?
21:45 < chrisime> hi Mike1
21:45 < esden> chrisime: ja
21:45 < chrisime> esden: hmm
21:45 < chrisime> der meckert wegen colons rum
21:45 < chrisime> die sind aba korrekt
21:45 < huebi> chrisime: mach jetzt nicht auf owl. Sie dir doch einfach mal mit google die Loesungen dazu an.
21:46 < huebi> chrisime: Wenns korrekt ist, dann gehts auch.
21:46 < tsa> hehe
21:46 < esden> chrisime: ich hole dir gerade nen experten ... er schaut gerade nach
21:46 < chrisime> huebi: du dummi ;) hab ne loesung benutzt
21:46 < tsa> huebi: hat owl eigentlich heute irgendwann doch noch mal den Kaffee geliefert?
21:46 < chrisime> huebi: die die auch esden benutzt hat
21:46 < huebi> chrisime: Dann ist die vielleicht falsch?
21:46 < frederic> chrisime: was meckert er bei ppp.conf?
21:46 < chrisime> weil ich die ihm geben hab :P
21:46 < esden> chrisime: denn die version die ich benutzt habe hatte paar seiner fixes 
21:46 < chrisime> esden: was?
21:46 < chrisime> frederic: line 2 missing colon
21:46 < chrisime> und so
21:46 < chrisime> irgendso schrott
21:46 < esden> chrisime: meine cd war kein orginal 3.1
21:47 < chrisime> kanns net zeigen weil mein server momentan laeuft und ohne waere ich net hier
21:47 < chrisime> esden: meine au net
21:47 < frederic> chrisime: es gab einen fehler in pppoe, das sieht mir nicht dansch aus...
21:47 < chrisime> kann sein
21:48 < chrisime> ich kann das dumme ding au net mounte
21:48 < chrisime> n
21:48 < chrisime> naja
21:48 < chrisime> evtl. doch jetzt
21:48 < chrisime> lemme check
21:49 < esden> chrisime: vielleicht hast irgendwo einen typo ...
21:49 < chrisime> hmm
21:49 < chrisime> wie sieht deine aus?
21:49 < chrisime> ich kanns net mounten, mein server hat keine bsd fs unterstuetzung
21:50 < chrisime> disklabel besser gesagt
21:50 < esden> du meinst die ppp.conf ?
21:50 < esden> oder was ?
21:50 < chrisime> ja
21:50 < esden> mom
21:50 < chrisime> ich habs so benutzt wie auf der seite
21:50 < chrisime> abgetippt
21:50 < chrisime> der meckerte auch wegen so nem device
21:51 < chrisime>  /dev/cuua1 oder so
21:51 < chrisime> meherere sogar
21:51 < chrisime> 0 1 2 etc.
21:51 < frederic> chrisime: wieso? was will er mit nem seriellen Device?
21:51 < chrisime> das sind serielle geraete
21:51 < chrisime> frederic: wenn ich das wuesste
21:51 < chrisime> frederic: keine ahnung was der damit verbricht
21:52 < chrisime> frederic: kann man bsd auch direkt uebers netz installieren, ohne vorher irgendeine ppp.conf eingerichtet zu haben (ich mein halt direkt mit dsl)
21:52 < frederic> chrisime: denke nicht
21:52 < frederic> chrisime: bin mir ziemlich sicher
21:52 < chrisime> ja
21:52 < chrisime> das das prob
21:53 < frederic> chrisime: hast du openbsd noch nicht fertig installiert?
21:53 < chrisime> doch
21:54 < chrisime> kompletti
21:54 < chrisime> ich starte mal den server
21:54 < chrisime> damit ich die ppp.conf igrendwie kopieren kann
21:54 < chrisime> umse euch zu zeigen
21:54 < chrisime> ok?
21:54 < chrisime> brbr
21:54 < chrisime> oops
21:54 < chrisime> also, ich werd noch da sein als ghost, weil ich den server abwuerge
21:54 < chrisime> nun
21:55 -!- chrisime is now known as chrisGHOST
21:55 < Mike1> d3mian: wanna come by costarica.net today?
21:55 < d3mian> maybe
21:55 < d3mian> :)
21:55 < Mike1> let me know if you can / want :)
21:56 < d3mian> depending.. what da u want to do?
21:56 * Mike1 on the phone brb
21:57 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-2-213.tin.it] has quit ("OAV rulez")
21:57 < blindcoder> good night everyone
21:57 < d3mian> n8 blindcoder
22:01 < Mike1> nacht blindcoder
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22:01 * Mike1 back
22:02 < Mike1> d3mian: i am going to create my new private development tree
22:02 < Mike1> for 1.5*
22:03 < Mike1> on which i will add gnome2 and evolution
22:03 < d3mian> i see
22:03 < d3mian> well, i could arrive there since 4 pm
22:03 < Mike1> it could be a good chance for you to learn how does base-config/* and ext-config/* stuff work
22:04 < d3mian> ill burn a new CD and ill arrive home to test filemaker and oracle things
22:04 < Mike1> d3mian: i would prefer it if you can come after 5
22:04 < d3mian> as u want
22:05 < Mike1> so should i wait for you?
22:05 < d3mian> yes, at 5pm right?
22:05 < Mike1> d3mian: BTW what was the problem you said you had with my 1.5.17 iso?
22:05 < Mike1> yeah
22:06 < Mike1> and then you can help bug esden with the polish docs
22:06 < d3mian> cd boots, but after loading ramdisk, my pc is rebooted
22:06 * Mike1 bugging esden again
22:06 < Mike1> *BUG* *BUG* *BUG*
22:06 < esden> mike ...
22:06 < tsa> hehe
22:06 < Mike1> esden: j/k
22:07 < d3mian> and.. its strange, but in another pc, ramdisk is loades sucessfull but it says "VFS : cant mount a root reiserfs blablabla"
22:07 < Mike1> d3mian: while booting to install?
22:07 < Mike1> or an installed system?
22:08 < d3mian> booting
22:08 < d3mian> we will talk about that later, i have to go home now
22:08 < Mike1> ok have fun
22:08 < Mike1> see you
22:08 < d3mian> cu guys
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22:16 < Mike1> SMP:
22:16 * tsa building today's 1.7-dev snapshot.
22:16 < Mike1> mike@alicia:~/test$ RSH_CVS=ssh cvs -d mike@cvs.rocklinux.de:/home/rockcvs/cvs co rock-1.5
22:16 < Mike1> rocklinux.de: Connection refused
22:16 < Mike1> cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any)
22:16 < Mike1> mike@alicia:~/test$
22:21 < SMP> CVS_RSH != RSH_CVS
22:21 < Mike1> SMP: oh hehe you are right my mistake
22:21 < Mike1> sorry
22:27 < frederic> hi chrisime
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22:30 < plfiorini> re
22:34 < [anders]> moin zusammen
22:36 < huebi> hi [anders]
22:36 -!- WKaibigan [~Aloicious@ACB47A4A.ipt.aol.com] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
22:36 < Mike1> 'lo [anders]
22:37 * Mike1 away doing some work
22:38 * [anders] will start writing some of the packages for gnome2
22:39 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50816C3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:39 < bluefire> re
22:40 < [anders]> here is a new one on me.... This will be interesting to debug.. :)
22:40 < plfiorini> [anders]: please include gstreamer 0.4 :)
22:40 < [anders]> == 20:01:40 =[3]=> Building base package gnome-applets [1.4.0.5 1.5.17-P020729].Pkg-Config: patches gnome-applets.desc done.
22:40 < [anders]> Building. Writing output to /var/adm/logs/3-gnome-applets.out
22:40 < [anders]> Build-Tar: No such package: gnome-applets
22:40 < [anders]> > make[3]: *** [install-geyesDATA] Error 1
22:41 < [anders]> plfiorini: that is not a Gnome2 package is it? That's a Gnome 1.4 package.. :) I'll see what I can do though.. It is probably best left as an extension I guess..
22:43 < plfiorini> [anders]: I saw, but gstreamer will be a sort of part of GNOME2.2
22:44 < plfiorini> I need it for rhythmbox :)
22:44 < Mike1> [anders]: please email ur private tree when you finish there is no point on my doing the same work you are doing
22:45 < [anders]> Mike1: I'll send you patches.. I have not started yet so feel free to do what you wish so far.. I want to get a stable stage 3 build before I add packages to it. :)
22:45 -!- codeq [dennis@pD9EB7B44.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:45 < codeq> hi
22:46 < [anders]> plfiorini: Aaahh.. Okay.. Well, we'll see what we can do.. :)
22:46 < [anders]> moin codeq
22:46 < esden> ok who wants the beautiful 1.7 buildoutput cororizer patch ? it now should work beyond the stage 1
22:46 < esden> hi codeq 
22:46 < [anders]> Mike1: send me an e-mail with what you have working and what you'll hack on next and I'll do the same back.. :)
22:46 < codeq> hi esden
22:46 < Mike1> [anders]: so will you do any package work today?
22:47 < [anders]> Mike1: Not tonight.. I'll fix the build breaks as far as it goes though.. Got to wrap the girlfriends presents for her birthday tomorrow as well..
22:48 < Mike1> [anders]: ok i will sent you patches tomorrow i work around the gnome2 packages tonight
22:49 < [anders]> Mike1: Okidoki.. I'll probably get some time during the day tomorrow to tweak things and try them out.. Do you want me to send you the e-mail with the order of packages I built in gnome2 so far?
22:49 < Mike1> yes please
22:50 < Mike1> [anders]: nota that wi will try to add them all so perhaps i would very happy if you contribute with evolution :)
22:50 * Mike1 *grin*
22:54 < [anders]> Mike1: Heheheh.. I will see what I can do with Evolution.. It is still throwing a spanner in the works, but perhaps in 1.5.17 I can get it to build.
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22:56 < meyerc> so
22:56 < meyerc> jetzt tuts
22:56 -!- meyerc is now known as chrisime
22:57 < chrisime> esden: war n kack fehler
22:57 < chrisime> weil die zeilen net eingerueckt waren
22:57 < chrisime> jetzt meckert der nur noch an ipctl
22:57 < chrisime> etc.
22:58 < esden> chrisime: ja ... die haben auch in der howto geschrieben das ide einrueckungen wichtig sind ... nur so zu info
22:58 < chrisime> command not found oder so
22:58 < chrisime> esden: oops
22:58 < chrisime> is n scheiss
22:58 < esden> chrisime: ja oops ;-)
22:59 < esden> chrisime: tja ... jedes system hat seine eigenheiten
22:59 < chrisime> das sind so parser die die geschrieben haben die verdammt nochmal auf so ne huehnerkacke achten
22:59 < plfiorini> [anders]: are you a gnome hacker?
22:59 < chrisime> das ist totaler bockmist
22:59 < chrisime> esden: meckert der bei dir auch an pctl oder so
23:00 < Mike1> [anders]: just keep bugging evolution developers regarding the build problems soon or they will fix it :) just need some pression
23:00 < [anders]> plfiorini: not really.. but I wanted to give Gnome2 a try, so sat down and built about 50 packages by hand to get it going..
23:00 < [anders]> Mike1: I know.. will work out who to piss off now.. ;-) After e-mailing you the packages and versions.. :)
23:01 < chrisime> an
23:01 < chrisime> [anders]: garnome
23:01 < chrisime> download
23:01 < plfiorini> [anders]: i ask this because i saw an andersca in #gnome, are you?
23:01 < chrisime> cd garnome/meta/gnome-desktop/
23:01 < chrisime> make install
23:01 < chrisime> done
23:01 < chrisime> plfiorini: andersca is a redhat guy
23:02 < plfiorini> chrisime: ah ok
23:02 < chrisime> *g*
23:02 < [anders]> plfiorini: Not me no.. :)
23:02 < [anders]> chrisime: that's cheating... ;-)
23:03 < chrisime> [anders]: oops ;P
23:03 < chrisime> esden: kannsgt t
23:03 < chrisime> shit
23:03 < plfiorini> ahah  34.3kB/s 1s
23:03 < chrisime> esden: kannst mir mal die url vom openbsd geben?
23:04 < plfiorini> [anders]: ok scuse me ;)
23:04 < chrisime> plfiorini: slow
23:04 < plfiorini> chrisime: nope
23:04 < chrisime> ?
23:04 < plfiorini> chrisime: 256Kb/s adsl
23:04 < chrisime> lol
23:04 < chrisime> k
23:04 * plfiorini has fixed his connection
23:04 < chrisime> around 90 k here, but oki
23:04 < plfiorini> 256Kb/s ?
23:04 < chrisime> 768
23:05 < plfiorini> !
23:05 < chrisime> some providers have 1024 here
23:05 < plfiorini> probably i'll try with 1024
23:05 < plfiorini> yeah
23:05 < plfiorini> my modem can
23:05 < chrisime> but expensive
23:05 < plfiorini> i had some problems, but it was the phone cable
23:05 < chrisime> modems can do up to 9Mbit
23:05 < plfiorini> mine not
23:05 < chrisime> k
23:05 < plfiorini> atlantis i-storm ethernet
23:06 < plfiorini> but probably you don't know it because it is italian
23:06 < chrisime> not really
23:06 < plfiorini> 250 euro, sigh
23:06 < chrisime> wow
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23:06 < plfiorini> this is the normal price in italy
23:06 < chrisime>  yours/10 == dsl here
23:06 < plfiorini> for a pppoe modem
23:07 < chrisime> 25 flatrate
23:07 < chrisime> s/25/25euro
23:07 < plfiorini> i hate my provider
23:07 < chrisime> hehe
23:07 < plfiorini> i has some bad rates
23:07 < chrisime> italy sounds like africa concerning internet for me ;-)
23:07 < plfiorini> yes
23:07 < plfiorini> it is true
23:07 < plfiorini> but our government is good
23:07 * chrisime likes b
23:07 < plfiorini> (only for internet)
23:08 < plfiorini> heh
23:08 * chrisime likes openbsd now
23:08 < rolla> :)
23:08 < plfiorini> it is good for ... internet and linux :)
23:08 < plfiorini> there are a person of ibm in our goverment
23:08 < plfiorini> there is
23:09 < chrisime> i need a stable server
23:09 < chrisime> and i'm hoping that it's more stable than my broken debian woody
23:09 < plfiorini> try suse <g>
23:09 < chrisime> yeah
23:09 < plfiorini> blah
23:09 < chrisime> i think i better use windowsxp then ;)
23:10 < plfiorini> i installed a server 3 weeks ago, with suse 8
23:10 < chrisime> i had to configure some suse stuff again today
23:10 < chrisime> bah, this sucks
23:10 < plfiorini> i have changed the routing table with yast
23:10 * chrisime is also beta tester for suse
23:10 < plfiorini> and i needed to restart the system
23:10 < plfiorini> blah blah
23:10 < plfiorini> i dislike suse :P
23:10 < chrisime> there're too many bugs which can't be solved
23:10 < esden> argh ... sysvinit is ill >_<
23:10 < esden> grr
23:10 < plfiorini> :(
23:11 < chrisime> esden: warum
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23:11 < chrisime_> aaah!
23:11 < esden> chrisime: they use nonstandard header locations ... in glibc these nonstandard headers are there but not in dietlibc what is when you ask me ok ... >_<
23:11 < huebi> Escape character is '^]'.
23:11 < huebi> Welcome to SuSE Linux 6.3 (i386) - Kernel 2.2.13 (pts/0).
23:11 < huebi> mail login: huebi
23:11 < huebi> Password:
23:11 < huebi> You have new mail in /var/spool/mail/huebi
23:11 * chrisime_ make install'ed irssi
23:11 < huebi> Have a lot of fun...
23:12 < huebi> huebi@mail:~ > uptime
23:12 < huebi>  11:11pm  up 399 days, 12:45,  2 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
23:12 < chrisime_> esden: hm
23:12 < huebi> SuXe is kool. *g*
23:12 < chrisime_> huebi: wow
23:12 < chrisime_> huebi: was hat da manipuliert
23:12 < chrisime_> bis 7.0 wars cool
23:12 < chrisime_> dann nimmer
23:12 < esden> huebi: wow !!! *shakes_huebi's_hand*
23:13 < chrisime_> die uptime schaff ich mit bsd locker
23:13 < huebi> (I bet it's rooted)
23:13 < chrisime_> heh
23:13 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@pD90485C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
23:13 < esden> hi capchaos 
23:14 < capchaos> hi esden
23:14 -!- chrisime_ [chrisime@p508037B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Client Quit)
23:14 * tsa sending patch to clifford.
23:14 < [anders]> Mike1: e-mail sent.. Going to wrap presents now and will hack on 1.5.17-private later...
23:14 -!- owl [~mail-spam@B5a92.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux
23:14 < [anders]> moin owl
23:14 < owl> re
23:15 < tsa> re owl
23:15 < [anders]> <- afk, wrapping presents....
23:15 < huebi> I started with SuXE 5.0 and I had been changed to RH in August 1999. Then I used to use Mandrake till Juni last year. I met esden on Linuxtag 2001 and he showed me ROCK Linux....
23:15 < huebi> owl: Is the coffee ready? *g*
23:15 < plfiorini> rock linux simply rocks
23:15 < tsa> owl: btw...what about the coffee?
23:15 < tsa> erh,
23:15 < tsa> huebi: ;-)
23:15 < rolla> re owl
23:16 * -> esden wants coffee too
23:16 < owl> huebi, tsa: no coffee. don't be so lazy, guys
23:16 < esden> ...
23:16 < huebi> tsa: Men do only one thing from a woman. Everytime the same.... *LOOL*
23:17 < owl> huebi: [...]
23:17 < esden> |_D <-- this one is for me !!! ;-)
23:18 -!- frederic [~hannes@pD902B785.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
23:18 < frederic> hi
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23:18 < esden> or any scale of it
23:18 < huebi> esden: what does this mean?
23:18 < esden> huebi: it is a mug
23:19 < huebi> Ahh. I see
23:19 < Mike1> [anders]: ok i will start working on the tree in 2 or 3 hours see you
23:19 < huebi> owl: tsa and me are not lazy. We are just men
23:20 < huebi> cu Mike1
23:20 < owl> huebi: yes. so. "selbst ist der mann"
23:20 -!- chrisime [chrisime@p508037B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
23:21 < huebi> owl: Why? It's work men never can do.
23:22 < owl> huebi: and i can't also do it. and i don't want to do it. and i won't do it. dot.
23:23 < tsa> hehe.
23:23 < huebi> owl: But you're born for that. So Mathilda said you have to do it.
23:23 < tsa> owl: so, what do you actually want to do?
23:23 < tsa> owl: there has to be something to keep you busy.
23:23 < huebi> owl: You're also born for cleanups...
23:24 < owl> huebi: i'm born for doing _what I want_ not what someone else wants!
23:24 < tsa> owl: and that is?
23:24 < esden> ok ... testing bit more the dietlibc stage 0 and 1 ... and then sending half a ton of patches to clifford ...
23:24 < owl> tsa: i'm busy. i'm working for my company right now. damn it. hate it. *argh*
23:25 < tsa> owl: so perhaps you should try something different.
23:25 < tsa> ...like making coffee.
23:25 < huebi> owl: What do you want? (a question a woman can never answer hehe)
23:25 < owl> owl: currently i'm dreaming about having vacation... (next week...)
23:25 < tsa> you might even like it.
23:25 < owl> tsa: *argh*
23:25 < tsa> owl: speaking to yourself is fun?
23:25 < tsa> *G*
23:25 < tsa> <owl> owl: currently i'm dreaming about having vacation... (next week...)
23:26 < owl> oops.
23:26 < owl> s,owl,tsa
23:26 < owl> sorry. i'm almost dead
23:26 < tsa> owl: coffee might help
23:26 < huebi> owl: The only profession a woman can have in a company is to cook better coffee than the other women.
23:26 < owl> tsa: no, not coffee... sleeping. but i can't. no time.
23:27 < owl> huebi: blah
23:27 < tsa> huebi: and go to the bathrooms in groups of at least two ..
23:27 < huebi> tsa: exchanging coffee recipies
23:27 < owl> tsa: i don't know, which women you see, but i just go to bathrooms with myself.
23:28 < tsa> huebi: hm...that's a possibility i never thought of before..
23:28 < owl> bla
23:28 < huebi> owl: As tsa sad: You and yourself.
23:28 < tsa> owl: you and yourself still form a small group of two.
23:29 * tsa laughing..
23:29 < huebi> owl: If you don't belive us ask yourself
23:29 < owl> huebi: yes. me, me and me! *argh*
23:30 < huebi> owl: And now you should make some coffee.
23:30 < tsa> huebi: owl really seems to be a little bit confused...
23:31 * plfiorini is away: I'm busy right now, tell other people
23:31 < huebi> tsa: A woman is allways confused. She neeeds it not to mention that she's never alone.
23:31 < owl> ./ignore huebi
23:31 < owl> ./ignore tsa
23:31 < owl> *argh*
23:32 < huebi> owl: Resisance to be a woman is futile.
23:32 < huebi> +t
23:32 * owl met her darling today. it's sw33t.
23:32 < huebi> owl: a new notebook?
23:32 < owl> intel pentium 4 mobile, 1.6 ghz, 512 mb ram, 30 gb... hmmmmmmmmmmm...
23:33 < owl> *g* yeah. notebook. what else?
23:33 < huebi> oh no. Just another pocket calculator.
23:33 < owl> didn't buy it... (not yet)
23:33 < huebi> in pink?
23:34 < owl> huebi: what size do you wear if this sweet 15 " display fits into your clothes?
23:34 < owl> huebi: in black.
23:34 < huebi> black is only for men.
23:36 < owl> huebi: ...
23:36 < huebi> owl: It should get hot enough to cook coffee though
23:36 < tsa> owl: no discussion, please. for you, it has to be pink.
23:36 < owl> tsa: ...
23:36 < huebi> and a mirror as screen. no tft crap.
23:37 < owl> huebi: take my fscking celeron. but pay 750 euro at first.
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23:37 < tsa> hehe
23:37 < huebi> hi zman
23:37 < tsa> huebi: we could also glue owl's photo to the display
23:38 -!- chrisime_ [chrisime@pD9E50A7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
23:38 < huebi> owl: What for. give me 100 EUR to get it recycled.
23:38 < tsa> is there a photo somewhere available?
23:38 < tsa> ;)
23:38 < owl> tsa: no, no -and- no!
23:38 < tsa> owl: ok. the mirror will do fine, anyway..
23:39 < owl> tsa: quark.
23:39 < tsa> if you go and make some coffee for us, we might even give you a true-color mirror.
23:40 < owl> tsa: i don't need a mirror.
23:41 < huebi> owl: with you being "barfuss bis zum Hals"
23:41 < tsa> hehe
23:41 < owl> huebi: *knurr*
23:41 < tsa> [X] send pix!
23:42 < owl> tsa: ...
23:42 < tsa> owl: you also don't need a notebook. a coffee machine is really sufficient ;-)
23:42 < huebi> tsa: ACK
23:43 < owl> tsa: i need a notebook. have to work. could help me deleting some entries of my TODO...
23:43 < huebi> TODO of owl:
23:43 < tsa> owl: "grep -v coffee TODO" and it will be empty
23:43 < huebi> make coffee.
23:44 < owl> TODO of owl:
23:44 < huebi> make coffee.
23:44 < huebi> make coffee.
23:44 < huebi> make coffee.
23:44 < huebi> hehe
23:44 < owl> - installscript
23:44 < owl> - learning installscript
23:44 < tsa> install coffee
23:44 < owl> - writing documentation for installscript
23:44 < tsa> learn serving coffee
23:44 < huebi> make more coffee.
23:44 < huebi> make even more coffee.
23:44 < owl> - writing batch-files for silent setup
23:44 < owl> - creating new setup for unicode setup
23:44 < tsa> = don't disturb huebi while serving coffee
23:45 < huebi> hehe
23:45 < owl> - creating setup for non-unicode
23:45 < tsa> = invent coffee with milk
23:45 < tsa> = invent coffee w/o milk
23:45 < huebi> - forget about software. serve coffee again
23:45 < tsa> quite impressive.
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23:46 * owl takes a gun and is going to kill tsa and huebi.
23:46 < huebi> 'go to VHS to learn "How To Clean Up The Fucking Kitchen."
23:47 < owl> GNARR
23:47 < huebi> owl: Totally wrong. We just want to help you in being a _real_ woman
23:47 < tsa> http://www.fridgemagnet.org.uk/kitchen.shtml
23:47 < huebi> tsa: hehe
23:48 < huebi> (I just lost the link
23:48 < huebi> )
23:48 < owl> huebi: i _don't want_ to be a _real_ woman! i'm insane and i like it!
23:48 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-5a238.tin.it] has quit ("g'night")
23:49 < huebi> owl: unbelievable!
23:49 < owl> huebi: _what_ is unbelievable?!?
23:49 < tsa> owl: you're still allowed to get "barfuss bis zum hals" and serve coffee, that's ok..
23:50 < owl> tsa: forget it.
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23:53 < huebi> owl: 23:48 < owl> huebi: i _don't want_ to be a _real_ woman! i'm insane and i like it!
23:54 < huebi> that's unbelievable.
23:54 < owl> huebi: why should that be unbelivable?
23:54 < huebi> should != is
23:54 < owl> and _WHY_???
23:56 < huebi> owl: This question can only be asked by a woman. And the answer can never be understood by her
23:56 < tsa> http://www.jaenicke.org/nude_owl_pics.html
23:56 < owl> *aaaaaaaaaaargh*
23:57 < owl> haha
23:57 < huebi> tsa: Still not serving coffee...
23:58 < owl> huebi: i will _never_ do it.
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23:59 < huebi> owl: Take attention that your boss does not mention that you can't cook coffee.
--- Log closed Wed Jul 31 00:00:19 2002