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00:00 < huebi> th: You start to work early
00:01 < th> huebi: i started this afternoon
00:10 * tsa going to sleep...
00:10 < tsa> cu all.
00:10 < huebi> sleep well tsa
00:10 < owl> gn8 tsa
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00:18 < esden> hmm ... strange .. 
00:18 < esden> some libs are not found ...
00:18 < esden> very strange
00:18 < Mike1> ok i go out
00:18 < Mike1> esden: gutte nacht mein freund
00:18 < esden> n8 Mike1 
00:18 < esden> have fun
00:18 < owl> cu Mike1
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00:22 < d3mian> re
00:22 < huebi> hi d3mian
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00:49 < huebi> ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/gettext/gettext-0.11.4.tar.gz <- does this work with Gnome2?
00:50 < esden> should work why ?
00:50 < esden> it is not a gui thing ... it is only for localisation
00:50 < th> 12:49:07 < [anders]> huebi: oh, and I have regressed gettext in that patch-set. 0.10.40 is required for Gnome2. Once Gnome2 builds on later versions, I'll send you a patch progressing the version used of gettext again.
00:51 < th> 12:49:47 < [anders]> you don't have to use that patch, but my builds will be using that version of gettext...
00:52 < huebi> the new version is only 6 days old.
00:52 < huebi> esden: Should does not help ;-)
00:52 < th> i don't know i just pasted some lines from my lastlog from today
00:53 < esden> huebi: sorry ... I say nothing more ...
00:53 < huebi> th: ACK. I remembered them but I don't know about the very new version
00:53 < th> huebi: neither do io
00:53 < th> s,io,i
00:53 < th> ,
00:54 < huebi> esden: Don't stop saying anything.
00:54 < th> i just did a job for mike1.
00:54 < th> ready with hacking this
00:54 < th> need something new
00:54 < th> ahh
00:54 < th> ok.
00:54 < th> got something
00:54 < esden> huebi: ...
00:54 * th is hacking for deflection
00:54 < th> hmmm
01:02 < d3mian> brb
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01:02 < huebi> http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ftp/pcmcia-cs-3.2.0.tar.gz
01:02 < huebi> new
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01:10 * huebi downloading >20 updates
01:14 < esden> huebi: can you syncronize the versions of the packets in 1.7 with the ones in your tree ?
01:14 < esden> perhups you find even more updated packages 
01:14 < esden> or have you checked all packages ?
01:15 < huebi> clifford checked them. normaly 1.7 is far behind 1.5
01:17 < esden> ahh ok
01:17 < esden> scheisseeee .... ich bin zu bloed um den scheiss error zu fixen ... argh
01:17 * -> esden ist zu dumm dafuer
01:17 < huebi> esden: was geht den ab?
01:18 < chrisime> jo esden
01:18 < chrisime> esden: dhcp + apache laeuft jetzt :)
01:18 < esden> chrisime: hi ... gut
01:18 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@217.14.168.2] has joined #rocklinux
01:18 < holyolli> hi
01:19 < esden> huebi: I have a problem with gcc2
01:19 < esden> I get this error :
01:19 < owl> hi holyolli
01:19 < holyolli> hi owl
01:19 < esden> diet gcc -L/usr/i386-pc-linux-gnulibc1/lib -c  -DIN_GCC  -DUSE_GNULIBC_1 -g     -I. -I.. -I../../../gcc/ch -I../../../gcc/ch/.. -I../../../gcc/ch/../config -I../../../gcc/ch/../../include ../../../gcc/ch/parse.c
01:19 < esden> ../../../gcc/ch/parse.c:346: syntax error before `{'
01:19 < esden> ../../../gcc/ch/parse.c:349: parse error before `if'
01:19 < esden> make[2]: *** [parse.o] Error 1
01:19 < esden> make[2]: Leaving directory `/R.src/gcc-2.95.3/objdir/gcc/ch'
01:19 < esden> make[1]: *** [cc1chill] Error 2
01:19 < esden> make[1]: Leaving directory `/R.src/gcc-2.95.3/objdir/gcc'
01:19 < esden> make: *** [all-gcc] Error 2
01:20 < esden> and the apropriate code is this one :
01:20 < esden> line 344:
01:20 < esden> int
01:20 < esden> expect(token, message)
01:20 < esden> {    
01:20 < esden>      enum terminal token;
01:20 < esden>      char *message;
01:20 < esden>   if (PEEK_TOKEN() != token)
01:20 < esden>     { 
01:20 < esden>       if (pass == 1)
01:20 < esden>         error(message ? message : "syntax error");
01:20 < esden>       return 0;
01:20 < esden>     }
01:20 < esden>   else
01:20 < esden>     FORWARD_TOKEN();
01:20 < esden>   return 1;
01:20 < esden> }
01:21 < esden> the first line ... with the int is number 344
01:21 < esden> it is really strange
01:21 < esden> because all functions have no type definitions of the variables that are passed to the function
01:22 < th> well they have
01:22 < th> 01:20:39 < esden>      enum terminal token;
01:22 < th> 01:20:42 < esden>      char *message;
01:22 < th> that's just ansi-style
01:22 < esden> aha ... ok
01:22 < esden> good
01:22 < th> but
01:22 < th> i always thought that had to appear before {
01:22 < esden> yes that was a change I made
01:22 < th> so undo it
01:22 < esden> because I did not understand it ..
01:23 < esden> mom
01:23 < d3mian> nice to see hackbard online again :)
01:24 < esden> ahh hi holyolli 
01:24 < esden> sorry huebi 
01:24 < esden> ups
01:24 < esden> i mean holyolli 
01:24 < esden> >_<
01:24 < holyolli> hi esden :)
01:25 < huebi> hi holyolli ;-)
01:25 < d3mian> hi holyolli
01:25 < SMP> # cat /etc/VERSION
01:25 < SMP> ROCK Linux 1.3.10 i586 (native, 2000/07/06)
01:25 * SMP shivers
01:25 < holyolli> hi d3mian
01:25 < esden> hi SMP 
01:25 < holyolli> hi huebi :))
01:25 < esden> SMP: seems to be bit old
01:26 < SMP> well. still rock solid
01:26 < huebi> SMP has an historical root exploit collection...
01:26 < huebi> hi SMP
01:26 < SMP> I doubt there are any known root holes present
01:27 * th tries to sleep now
01:27 < th> see ya all later
01:27 < SMP> bye th
01:27 < huebi> ...left over...
01:27 < huebi> cu th
01:27 < esden> SMP: that is good that it still runs ok
01:27 < esden> th: ok ... the error looks now like this:
01:27 < esden> diet gcc -L/usr/i386-pc-linux-gnulibc1/lib -c  -DIN_GCC  -DUSE_GNULIBC_1 -g     -I. -I.. -I../../../gcc/ch -I../../../gcc/ch/.. -I../../../gcc/ch/../config -I../../../gcc/ch/../../include ../../../gcc/ch/parse.c
01:28 < esden> ../../../gcc/ch/parse.c:346: syntax error before `enum'
01:28 < esden> ../../../gcc/ch/parse.c:348: parse error before `{'
01:28 < esden> make[2]: *** [parse.o] Error 1
01:28 < esden> make[2]: Leaving directory `/R.src/gcc-2.95.3/objdir/gcc/ch'
01:28 < esden> make[1]: *** [cc1chill] Error 2
01:28 < esden> make[1]: Leaving directory `/R.src/gcc-2.95.3/objdir/gcc'
01:28 < esden> make: *** [all-gcc] Error 2
01:28 < esden> ok
01:28 < esden> hmm ... how to interpret it now ... I do not see any error ... 
01:29 < esden> hmm ... I think that it is a problem with gcc2 compiled under dietlibc that makes problems here ...
01:29 < esden> because when I compile it with gcc2 compiled with glibc it works fine ...
01:29 < esden> really strange ... I do not know how to track the problem ... 
01:29 < SMP> who needs a dietlibc gcc..
01:30 < esden> SMP: for the stage > 1 in rocklinux dietlibc target
01:30 < esden> otherwise I can compile some programs with glibc and others with dietlibc ... 
01:31 < esden> is also a solution but not a clean one that I would like to have ...
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01:33 < SMP> aha? so for the install-disks target we need gcc to build memtest86 (for example). but of course gcc is not included in the install-disks built. you can just use the glibc gcc in the dietlibc target, because there is no use for a diet gcc per se and it should not be included in the output of the target
01:39 < esden> yes ... that is right ...
01:39 < esden> hmm ...
01:40 < esden> but how to solve it cleanly ... I should have flags in the packages if they should be compiled with glibc or dietlibc
01:40 < esden> and add glibc to the dietlibc target
01:41 < esden> this is a bug in dietlibc for sure ... so it should be fixed anyways ... I could compile gcc with glibc at the beginning till the bug is fixed ... then I can run everything under dietlibc ...
01:41 < esden> but I do not like the idea somehow
01:42 < SMP> you have a list of packages for the dietlibc target anyway. that's the ones you build diet
01:43 < SMP> gcc is not on the list. you can use a pre-compiled glibc gcc package in your target to build your target's packages
01:43 < esden> precompiled ... from where soud I get it in the chroot ?
01:43 < holyolli> cya...i'll go to bed now
01:43 < esden> copy it from the running system ? yes sure :-/
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01:44 < esden> cu holyolli 
01:44 < SMP> from outside.
01:44 * owl leaves you now.
01:44 < owl> gn8. cu later
01:44 < huebi> cu owl
01:44 < esden> cu owl 
01:44 < aszlig> n8 owl
01:44 < aszlig> re ;)
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01:44 < huebi> hi aszlig
01:45 < esden> the dietlibc target is not dependant on other targets ... so i do not have binary pacages from the generic target or so
01:45 < esden> not nesseserily
01:45 < esden> i would have to compile the generic target to be able to run the ditlibc target ... that is crap
01:45 < SMP> I think it should depend on the generic target or something that provides a gcc etc.
01:46 < d3mian> hi aszlig
01:46 < esden> no that is crap ... then we are in the same place where we were in 1.5 
01:46 < esden> with the subdists
01:47 < esden> hi aszlig 
01:47 < esden> hmm ... 
01:47 < aszlig> hehe, hullo esden ;)
01:48 < SMP> esden: I see. well then you'll have to continue fighting bugs
01:48 < aszlig> does there exist a "package" of dancer-ircd in rl?
01:48 < huebi> irssi is suficient, IMHO
01:48 < huebi> perhaps an extension.
01:49 < SMP> dancer is an irc _server_ ;>
01:49 < d3mian> it is not a irc client
01:49 < aszlig> SMP: hehe, thats what i wanted to say ;)
01:49 < esden> SMP: seems so ... 
01:50 * d3mian needs to have a breakfast
01:50 < d3mian> cu
01:50 < aszlig> huebi: for your attention: opn uses dancer
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01:50 < esden> SMP: but the idea with compiling parts of the target with glibc is not the worst ... I will fight some more ... and if I give up I will do it that way
01:50 < huebi> aszlig: thanks
01:50 < aszlig> huebi: ;)
01:51 < huebi> <- uses irssi and did not have a look behind it. ;-)
01:51 < aszlig> huebi: ey.. irssi is a client!
01:52 < aszlig> huebi: has nothing to do with an irc-server ;P
01:52 < huebi> aszlig: ACK. I stoped at using the client.
01:53 < huebi> I like that:
01:53 < aszlig> huebi: hmm, try to use telnet as client ;)
01:53 < huebi> huebi@mail:~ > uptime
01:53 < huebi>   1:52am  up 400 days, 15:26,  2 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
01:53 < huebi> no fake.
01:53 < huebi> Welcome to SuSE Linux 6.3 (i386) - Kernel 2.2.13 (pts/0). <- unfortunatelly this is no fake, too. ;(
01:54 < SMP> one week and one month until two years uptime.
01:55 < huebi> SMP: isn't there a problem with the uptime counter?
01:55 < SMP> (for one of my machines, that is)
01:55 < SMP> yeah, it overflows at 497 days
01:56 < huebi> then the counter counts 1/100 seconds
01:56 < SMP> but I can still see that date of the last boot in /var/log/boot.msg for example
01:56 < huebi> win95  stops after 49 days and 17h or so
01:56 < SMP> huebi: yes, it the jiffies counter. with HZ=100 most archs
01:57 < SMP> on most archs
01:57 < huebi> SMP: ls -l /proc is even better
01:57 < SMP> hmm ,no
01:58 < huebi> no?
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01:58 < aszlig_telnet> hullo
01:58 < SMP> oh, wait
01:59 < SMP> -r--------   1 root     root            0 Sep  6  2000 /proc/kmsg
01:59 < huebi> hi aszlig. do you use telnet as client?
01:59 < esden> yes he is using telnet ... I see it with my own eyes he is ill ;-)
01:59 < aszlig_telnet> huebi: mhat else?
02:01 < aszlig_telnet> whew, thats really fun :P
02:01 < esden> god ... I have to test it too
02:02 < aszlig_telnet> thinking about using tinifugue as client ;)
02:02 < SMP> try using /usr/bin/irc as a client. it's barely better ;>
02:02 < huebi> what about ftp?
02:03 * huebi started a new build. The first since a week or so...
02:04 < huebi> tomorrow I install a new gateway server. I have at least 3 root exploits on it :(
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02:05 < esden_telnet> ok I am now also with telnet here ;-)
02:05 < huebi> esden_telnet: you are crazy.
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02:05 < esden_telnet> that is real fun
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02:06 < nYdian> hey guys
02:06 < aszlig_telnet> hello esden_telnet ;)
02:06 < esden_telnet> hi hi huebi ... sure I am crazy !!!
02:06 < esden_telnet> but it is real fun ;-)
02:07 < esden_telnet> hmm what was the name of the scriptable telnet client ?
02:07 < huebi> esden_telnet: real fun is to use ghostscript!
02:08 < huebi> or better aumix. Voice support for irc
02:08 < esden_telnet> I will now write a irc client in postscript ;-)
02:08 < chrisime_> lol
02:08 < huebi> esden_telnet: better write one for mplayer
02:09 < huebi> irc - now with video conference support
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02:11 < esden_telnet> hehe ... but that are binary data >_< yuk ;-)
02:12 < aszlig_telnet> i love dancer_ircd ;) it doesn't disconnect you if you ping the server after connect ;)
02:22 < huebi> good night.
02:23 < aszlig> gnu8
02:23 < esden_telnet>  n8 huebi
02:25 * aszlig loves telnet ;P
02:26 < esden_telnet> ACTION testing /me
02:26 < esden> hmm 
02:26 >>> [weasel@apollo.bingo-ev.de] requested unknown CTCP :ACTION from: testing /me
02:26 < esden> uuuppps
02:26 < esden> ok I go to another channel to test it
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02:47 < SMP> esden: noch da?
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02:57 < nYdian> i'm tired. good n8
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03:06 < esden> SMP: ja noch da
03:06 < esden> war nur kurs ueber telnet ftp verwenden ...
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03:07 < SMP> esden: ich ueberlege zum Meeting in Wien zu kommen. allerdings erst ab dem Abend des 9. koenntest du mich am 11. zurueck nach Muenchen mitnehmen?
03:09 < esden> SMP: 11 ist welcher tag ?
03:10 < esden> SMP: ja ich kann dich mitnehmen
03:10 < esden> kein problem
03:11 < SMP> 11. ist der Sontag
03:12 < SMP> schon ne Idee um welche Uhrzeit du in etwa zurueck wolltest?
03:13 < esden> nein ich habe keine ahnung wann ich fahren will ... aber auf jeden fall so das ich nicht sehr spaet in ingolstadt ankomme denn ich muss am montag wieder um 8 in der uni sein
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03:58 < fake> alooo
03:58 * fake is happy to see SMP again
04:00 < fake> and i just learned what all that al capone stuff was all about
04:01 < fake> he dealt with whiskey!
04:02 < fake> pretty amazing
04:06 < fake> and you are all asleep...
04:06 < fake> koffeinallergiker ;P
04:06 < fake> alle mitanand
04:06 < SMP> in times of prohibition, it is pretty amazing, yes ;)
04:06 < fake> hehe
04:07 < fake> err, i meant the prohibition itself was interesting
04:07 < fake> do you have any idea why they enforced it?
04:09 < fake> . o O ( SMP latency )
04:10 < SMP> no I don't
04:10 < fake> SMP: I'd really like to know that... maybe the church was behind it XD
04:11 < fake> <- goes to bed
04:11 < SMP> yeah. me too
04:11 < SMP> cu
04:11 < fake> waaaa, holidays are really stressig
04:11 < fake> muss in 6 stunden schon wieder aufstehen *g*
04:11 < fake> *wink* schlaf gut Martin *dg*
04:18 < esden> soo
04:18 < esden> re hi all
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06:49 < esden> n8 @ all
08:12 < [anders]> moin all.. (still afk tho')  stage 3 in 1.5.17 worked fine.. so I seem to have got the order right.. :)
08:22 < huebi> moin [anders]
09:05 < huebi> util-linux fixed
09:37 < [anders]> moin zusammen
09:37 < huebi> moin [anders] ;-)
09:37 < [anders]> util-linux been fixed you say... is it in CVS?
09:38 < [anders]> Guten Morgen Andreas, wie gehts? :)
09:38 < huebi> [anders]: Gut. Und Dir?
09:39 < huebi> [anders]: util-linux needed a new hotfix.patch
09:39 < huebi> http://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/util-linux/
09:41 < [anders]> huebi: gut, aber ich benötige mehr schlaf!
09:41 < [anders]> (curtesy of babel.altavista.com)
09:41 < huebi> [anders]: Very well translated ;-)
09:43 < [anders]> huebi: I'll grab CVS and make my own patch for my tree.. How did my patches fare I sent you yesterday? :)
09:45 < huebi> they worked without any problems.
09:52 < [anders]> sehr gut.. :)
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10:04 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: anoncvs for 1.5 now up: CVS_RSH=ssh cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co rock-1.5
10:04 -!- Topic set by esden [Mon Jul 15 16:08:37 2002]
10:04 (Users #rocklinux)
10:04 [ [anders]  ] [ esden ] [ Freak   ] [ huebi  ] [ rxr_away_] [ th      ] 
10:04 [ aszlig    ] [ esden_] [ h0h0    ] [ praenti] [ SMP      ] [ tomik   ] 
10:04 [ blindcoder] [ fake  ] [ hackbard] [ rolla  ] [ snyke    ] [ VeKTeReX] 
10:04 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 18 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal]
10:04 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Tue Jun 11 09:27:41 2002
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10:13 < [anders]> Question, is MAKEOPT="$MAKEOPT -j1" the way we should solve the problem with packages that does build well with make -j2 etc. ?
10:17 < [anders]> and could someone confirm the cksum of the 0.10.40 gettext package?
10:19 < huebi> [anders]: Yes. $MAKEOPT (which actually should be $makeopt but $makeopt is not exported) is the variable for the future which contains "-jN" with N>1. MAKE must not be used anymore because $MAKE is interpreted by make and starts with every submake also N processes. Then the linux package fails because of only a total of 8192 filehandles in the kernel.
10:21 < huebi> 1GB RAM and 1GB swap is also not quite much for a load of at least 350 on a dual CPU PC
10:23 < huebi> 611511082 gettext/gettext-0.10.40.tar.gz ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/gettext/ <- OK
10:29 < [anders]> ok.. I'll go through and update these packages now then.. Then I'll fire off another stage 3
10:30 < huebi> [anders]: please have a look at the changelog: http://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/changelog?rev=1.141&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
10:38 * huebi thinking about how to solve the allmost non-existing error handling in the ROCK Linux scripts. I want to have it like in LVM.
10:54 < huebi> qt 3.0.5 does not want...
11:00 < [anders]> huebi: error handling is the tricky part to write.. I almost always leave that until last.. :)
11:00 < [anders]> and what is it that qt 3.0.5 wants?
11:01 < huebi> strip: /usr/doc/html/ is a dirctory. error...
11:01 < huebi> +e
11:01 < huebi> I changed qt.conf and test it again now
11:03 < [anders]> ok. could you let me know when your fix is in CVS and I'll get it and patch up my tree. :)
11:03 < huebi> [anders]: ACK
11:40 < fake> morschn
11:41 < fake> 977 builds total, 873 completed fine, 104 with errors.
11:41 < fake> not tooo bad.
11:41 < huebi> moin fake
11:43 < fake> <- off fixing
11:44 < huebi> fake: hea?
11:44 < huebi> fake: hae?
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12:05 < huebi> moin Ge0rG
12:05 < Ge0rG> hi huebi :)
12:05 < Ge0rG> good morning
12:36 < [anders]> http://www.thereverend.com/brick_testament/
12:41 < [anders]> *gahen* lunch-time I think.. starting to get a bit hungry...
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12:52 < huebi> 3512648067 modutils/modutils-2.4.19.tar.bz2 ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/modutils/v2.4/
12:53 < huebi> qt 3.0.5 still failes.
12:53 < [anders]> huebi: in CVS, I think there is a mistake.. :)  "U rock-1.5/base-config/gnome-applets/gnome-applets.conf.patch"  the file should be "gnome-applets.conf"
12:55 < huebi> [anders]: I have a look
12:56 < huebi> I fix it.
12:58 < huebi> fixed
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13:12 < huebi> SMP: PING.
13:16 < [anders]> huebi: excellent.. :) I'll grab it now then.. :)
13:17 < huebi> [anders]: Wait a minute for OpenSSH. It' trojaned.
13:19 < [anders]> openssh was trojaned?
13:19 < huebi> http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=394609+0+current/freebsd-security
13:28 < [anders]> huebi: did we get bitten by this one or did we get the tar.gz before it got trojaned?
13:31 < huebi> [anders]: We have the old one.
13:34 < huebi> erm. I mean we have been bitten.
13:36 < huebi> ROCK Linux: The best text adventure of the world
13:39 < [anders]> Shit.. Not good news.. Hopefully these guys got so swamped when people updated that they missed some..
13:40 < [anders]> If not, I will have to re-install completely a.s.a.p....
13:41 < [anders]> the question is what their backdoor actually did.. it connected to an IRC server, which would not normally draw attention to itself.. But what did it do after that..
13:41 < huebi> nslookup web.snsonline.ne
13:41 < huebi> Non-authoritative answer:
13:41 < huebi> Name:   web.snsonline.net
13:41 < huebi> Address: 127.0.0.1
13:41 < huebi> hehe
13:45 < [anders]> huebi: use 'dig'
13:45 < [anders]> and do the dig -x of the ip-addy...
13:45 < huebi> [anders]: I don't know how.
13:45 < huebi> [anders]:
13:46 < huebi> [anders]: ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/pub/bf-output.sh
13:46 < huebi> [anders]: ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/pub/bf-test.c
13:46 < [anders]> dig -x 203.62.158.32  will tell you that the box does not have a hostname anymore..
13:47 < [anders]> in the shell script, the only thing I am worried about there is the line 'execve(a[0],a,NULL);'
13:48 < [anders]> the little shits sets things up so they can run remote commands..
13:56 < [anders]> huebi: is the archive at ftp.openbsd.org safe to download?
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13:58 < huebi> [anders]: Yes, it is. I testet it and made a diff to the old, trojaned version. ftp.openssh.org is ok.
13:58 < huebi> [anders]: also the checksum is fixed in 1.5
13:58 < huebi> [anders]: don't you read you mail? *g*
14:02 < [anders]> huebi: hehehe, yes I did read the mail. I just wanted to make certain.. If I could read and understand C-code, I should perhaps start doing code audit of the odd package here and there...
14:03 < huebi> Well, my competens in C is far from sufficient. Same problem here, too :-)
14:08 < huebi> http://freshmeat.net/redir/vsftpd/12506/url_tgz/vsftpd-1.1.0.tar.gz <- new. My favorite ftpd
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14:09 < [anders]> mm.. fortunately this trojan only surfaces in the build process.. I wonder if we perhaps should try and do something clever in the build process in ROCK where the compile does not run as root but as a low-priority account.. I am sure I could hack that one..
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14:11 < huebi> [anders]: I would leave that for 1.7. Another solution is to update not so often or wait longer with an official update.
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14:15 < [anders]> huebi: all that would be required is the account 'build' be created on the host you do the building and in the build scripts the ./configure and the 'make' is being run as 'su - build -c $cmd' instead.
14:16 < [anders]> to build the package you do not need root, only to install it you do..
14:16 < huebi> [anders]: good idea
14:16 < [anders]> so preferably the extract of the archive should take place as the 'build' user as well..
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14:25 < _snyke> mhh
14:25 < _snyke> what's that? "snyke The hand of the deity is upon thee, thy nick may not change"
14:26 < [anders]> _snyke: the # might be nick protected..
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14:46 < [anders]> huebi: sent an e-mail about it to the rock ml.. see what you think.. :)
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15:04 < snyke_> *suck*
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15:05 < armijn> re
15:05 < armijn> huebi: got CD
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15:16 < rolla> re
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15:26 < bluefire> Hi
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15:49 < esden_> morning @ all
15:49 < armijn> hi
15:49 < esden_> huh ?
15:49 < [anders]> moin esden_
15:50 < snyke> hi esden
15:51 < esden_> shit reconnects ><_
15:51 < esden_> hmm
15:51 -!- You're now known as esden
15:51 < [anders]> esden: you missed all the fun.. ;-) openssh being trojaned and all..
15:52 < esden> argh ... 
15:52 < [anders]> From what I can make out on /., the trojaning happened yesterday (31st July)
15:52 < esden> grr ... I sleep too much >_<
15:56 < [anders]> The problem was spotten within six hours of it happening apperantly..
15:56 < [anders]> spotted even.. (/me reading /. at the moment)
15:57 < [anders]> I've posted to the rock mailinglist about something we can do to avoid getting bitten badly from things like this..
15:59 < esden> [anders]: very good
15:59 < [anders]> From what I can tell, very few of the people working on building ROCK should have been bitten by the trojan unless they downloaded the tar-ball yesterday.. (I had mine from when it was released in June)
16:02 < [anders]> Perhaps we should be more alert with check-sums on the files we download when we update packages..
16:03 < [anders]> I know (and I am not proud of the fact) that I have downloaded files and then tweaked the cksum until it matches the file I download....
16:03 < [anders]> That behaviour will only play into the hands of the hackers trying to trojan software.
16:07 < [anders]> If I am correct in what I wrote in the e-mail to the list, only Build-Pkg should be required to be modified..
16:16 < armijn> wel...
16:16 < armijn> installing gentoo
16:17 * [anders] is looking at Build-Pkg now.. Thinking about how it could be modified to make builds less insecure..
16:26 < [anders]> humma.. when I do cksum on the gunzipped openssh archive I get the cksums like this..
16:26 < [anders]> 3439888916 4003840 openssh-3.4p1.tar
16:26 < [anders]> I assume the initial one is what goes into the .pz file? i.e. '3439888916'
16:37 < rolla> is the ftp server down ?
16:38 < praenti> hi
16:38 < praenti> [anders]: you are right. the initial one is compared to the .pz so you have to use this
16:40 < [anders]> praenti: cheers.. I'll update my .pz then..
16:42 < [anders]> praenti: what does it actually match the cksum against? the tar.gz, the .tar or the .tar.bz2 ?
16:45 < esden> soso ... I could also insert a trojan in rocklinux ... ;-)
16:45 < esden> muahaha
16:46 < [anders]> esden: are you reading the 'Evil Geniuses in a Nutshell' book? :)
16:46 < esden> ok ... I go inserting some hardware from the alien-care-package in to my machine ...
16:46 < esden> [anders]: no ... /.
16:47 < esden> ok cu l8ter guys
16:47 < [anders]> cya esden
16:52 < rolla> bye esden
17:10 < [anders]> huebi: any luck with the blasted qt 3.0.5 problem? :)
17:13 < th> [anders]: it checks the tar. and the second numer from cksum is the size in bytes
17:13 < th> s,numer,number,
17:14 < [anders]> th: aahh.. Ok.. I also figured out that the cksum data is not taken from the .pz file when you run Download, it gets it from the index file or some such.. I had forgotten to run Puzzle.. :-/
17:21 < huebi> re
17:22 < [anders]> yo huebi.. still battling it out with qt ?
17:23 < huebi> I had a nice sleep for at least 2h30. ;-)
17:24 < th> [anders]: talking of 1.5?
17:24 < [anders]> huebi: good for you.. :) you need to sleep more I think..
17:24 < [anders]> th: yeah..
17:24 < th> [anders]: so why do you have to run Puzzle by hand?
17:24 < th> [anders]: after doing what?
17:26 < [anders]> th: if you modify the cksum data in the .pz file for a particular package to download it again (or similar) you will need to run Puzzle to update the change you made. I think it is held in the INDEX file..
17:26 < th> [anders]: yes it is. but changes should be done on cvs ad committed.
17:26 < [anders]> Download does not look in the .pz file for the new cksum, so it is not enough updating the .pz file, Puzzle needs to be run as well.. and I had forgotten to do that. :)
17:27 < th> [anders]: after that you us scripts/Update which puzzles automatically
17:27 < [anders]> th: I had been playing around with the .pz for openssh and just wanted to check it downloaded okay..
17:28 < th> [anders]: yea ok. so then it's needed to run Puzzle manually
17:29 < [anders]> th: yep.. It is just remembering to do it that is the thing. :)
17:30 < [anders]> huebi: in the openssh.pz, I get the checksum of openssh-3.4p1.tar.gz to 3439888916.. and I downloaded fresh from ftp.openbsd.org an hour or so ago..
17:30 < [anders]> I downloaded their .sig as well, and it is signed by the correct guy..
17:32 < [anders]> (the key could still be forged I suppose, but that is less likely... the guy that did the trojan will not likely have figured out how to tweak Damien Millers personal pgp key..
17:32 < [anders]> )
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17:33 < d3mian> re
17:33 < [anders]> moin d3mian - como estas?
17:35 < huebi> ll /home/ftp/rock-pkg-1.5/base-archive/openssh/
17:35 < huebi> -rw-rw-r--    1 root     root       641658 Jun 27 00:27 openssh-3.4p1-trojaned.tar.bz2
17:35 < huebi> -rw-rw-r--    1 root     root       646991 Aug  1 13:33 openssh-3.4p1.tar.bz2
17:36 < d3mian> [anders]: bien, gracias. y tu?
17:36 < [anders]> huebi: you should sort out your umask.. ;-) Personally I use 027...
17:36 < armijn> huebi: got CD today, thanks
17:36 < [anders]> d3mian: bien gracias. :)
17:36 < [anders]> d3mian: that's about the extent of my spanish skills though.. ;-)
17:36 < armijn> so, porque are we talking a mixture of Deutsch, Espan~ol and English here?
17:37 < d3mian> [anders]: nce
17:37 < Ge0rG> bye folks
17:37 < d3mian> cu Ge0rG
17:37 < [anders]> armijn: and a bit of svenska också for a gut mixture.. :)
17:37 * Ge0rG is going to ICMP... http://bnb.ac-drexler.de/icmp/
17:37 < armijn> [anders]: yeah...gut mixture...
17:37 < d3mian> and frech ? portugaisse?
17:37 < armijn> anyone wants his guts mixed?
17:37 < armijn> no one like french.
17:37 < d3mian> what is the prob with ssh ?
17:37 < armijn> +s
17:38 < [anders]> d3mian: it got trojaned..
17:38 < [anders]> armijn: well, you can achieve rather interesting and entertaining sentences when you start using several languages in a mixture.. :)
17:39 < armijn> yeah...I know :)
17:39 < d3mian> umm, and problem is solved now ? (about ssh)
17:40 < [anders]> d3mian: yes, the trojaning was discovered in about six hours after it happened..
17:41 < [anders]> (if you are to believe the events as they were described on /. in the story and the comments..)
17:41 < d3mian> k
17:41 < [anders]> if you downloaded openssh yesterday, you would likely have got bitten by the trojan if you tried building the package..
17:42 < d3mian> i see
17:43 < [anders]> the installed result from the build is not affected as far as peple have been able to make out.
17:43 < armijn> gentoo is pretty interesting...
17:44 < [anders]> armijn: interesting as in different or as in 'wow, lots of cool features we can nick' ?
17:44 < d3mian> but why during build?, is the trojan stuff inside the package or code?
17:44 < huebi> my version of openssh-3.4p1 is from 641658 Jun 27 00:27 openssh-3.4p1-trojaned.tar.bz2 with the checksum: 3439888916
17:44 < d3mian> armijn: like what?
17:44 < armijn> [anders]: well, it's not that much different, just more fancy stuff
17:44 < armijn> the install process is not that much different from ours...
17:45 < armijn> what I do like however is that you can install several "stages"
17:45 < [anders]> d3mian: a piece of code had been added in the source archive and was run in the make phase. it should not have got installed ..
17:45 < armijn> a "stage 1" is just some barebones stuff, after which you have to do more stuff yourself
17:45 < [anders]> huebi: the trojaned version of openssh only turned up on the 31st July apperantly..
17:45 < armijn> oh and they have documentation
17:46 < d3mian> hehe
17:46 < huebi> [anders]: I would say wrong.
17:46 < [anders]> huebi: I pulled the new archive which has been pgp signed by damien miller and the cksum of that .tar becomes 3439888916
17:46 < huebi> have a look: http://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/openssh/openssh.pz.diff?r1=1.8&r2=1.9
17:46 < d3mian> well, mike and some ppl is now working in documentation for different languages, for both 1.7 and 1.5
17:49 < [anders]> alien:/usr/src/rock-src/pkg-archive# ls -l openssh-3.4p1.tar.bz2
17:49 < [anders]> -rw-r--r--   1 anders   users      641658 Jun 26 20:49 openssh-3.4p1.tar.bz2
17:49 < [anders]> alien:/usr/src/rock-src/pkg-archive# bzcat openssh-3.4p1.tar.bz2 | cksum
17:49 < [anders]> 3439888916 4003840
17:49 < [anders]> alien:/usr/src/rock-src/pkg-archive#
17:50 < [anders]> huebi: look at the date of the download..
17:50 < [anders]> Jun 26 20:49
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17:50 < [anders]> same evening it was released..
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17:52 < huebi> [anders]: You're right. I made a mistake.
17:52 < [anders]> huebi: I would hazard a guess that the archive with the cksum of 1963447760 is the trojaned version..
17:52 < huebi> [anders]: Yes, it is.
17:52 < [anders]> huebi: they were pissing about on ftp.openbsd.org earlier as I tried to download the archive and got the message it wasn't there..
17:53 < [anders]> when I finally got hold of it, it was the same archive as I had downloaded several weeks earlier.. :)
17:53 < huebi> I still got the trojaned one and messed up the good and the bad one
17:54 < d3mian> cu guys
17:54 < armijn> huebi: is the trojaned one on my CD?
17:54 < huebi> armijn: no, it isn't
17:54 < huebi> cu d3mian
17:54 < [anders]> So they cottoned on to the fact that something was wrong fairly soon. Which was good.. In the story on /. it mentions that the time from act of trojaning the archive to discovery was about 6 hours..
17:55 < [anders]> armijn: the trojaned archive appeared on the server only yesterday.. it was removed earlier today and replaced with the original one..
17:55 < armijn> heh
17:55 < [anders]> (server == ftp.openbsd.org )
17:56 < [anders]> What I dearly would like to know is how the hell the guy got on to ftp.openbsd.org with enough permissions to replace that archive..
17:57 < huebi> [anders]: He works there as an admin.
17:57 < [anders]> huebi: they found the guy that did it?
17:57 < d3mian> huebi: that's the moest possible thing, i guess
17:57 * huebi just kidding
17:58 < [anders]> from what I could leech from the postings on /., the server that was used was located in Oz and when the owner found out, he re-installed in less than an hour..
17:58 < [anders]> (used as in the server the trojan tried to talk to)
18:02 < huebi> at 13:30h MET the file ftp://ftp.openbsd.com/pub/OpenBSD/OpenSSH/portable/openssh-3.4p1.tar.gz was definitly infected.
18:03 < [anders]> MET being what timezone exactly?
18:04 * [anders] is distinctly in favour of ditching all timezones apart from UTC..
18:05 < SMP> hi
18:05 < [anders]> moin SMP, wie gehts ?
18:07 < armijn> yeah SMP wee gates?
18:10 < huebi> Moep, SMP
18:11 < huebi> [anders]: the first timezone right from GMT. here it's 18:11
18:17 < armijn> ok,am off
18:17 < armijn> cu
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18:20 < [anders]> huebi: okay.. so MET is GMT+2 (BST+1 or CET+1)
18:20 < huebi> [anders]: Ok your time is then 16:20?
18:21 < [anders]> 17:20 here..
18:22 < huebi> 18:21 here. So only 1h
18:22 < huebi> differece
18:22 < huebi> +n
18:23 < [anders]> Yeah.. I guess MET is the summer time version of CET, like BST is the summer time version of GMT..
18:24 < huebi> [anders]: There is also MEST. But it is the same in the summer as MET. MEST=MET (at least at the moment)
18:25 < [anders]> huebi: ok.. I'll be off homewards now.. Got to get some sleep.. Do let me know if you figure out the problem with qt.. :) I'm interested in spinning another stage 3 soon with all the updates in it.. :)
18:25 < huebi> cu [anders]
18:26 < huebi> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/jk-01.08.02-004/ <- In german but it's the same as my experiances.
18:27 < esden> re hi all
18:27 < esden> puhh ... that was a fight >_<
18:27 < huebi> hi esden
18:27 < huebi> esden: against alien Hardware?
18:28 < esden> yes in some way
18:28 < esden> i have inserted the voodo you sent me ... and replaced the scsi controller in my machine ... 
18:29 < esden> and as I wanted to start the mchine nothing worked anymore ... >_<
18:29 < esden> but now all seems ok
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18:30 < esden> kk ... I go now for a shower
18:30 < huebi> SCSI controller?\
18:32 < esden> yes i have borrowed a adaptec controller from bingo ... and had it in my machine ... as a replacement for a crappy davicom ... but now the adaptec is needed in the club so i had to insert the davicom back into my box
18:32 < Elboras> élo
18:32 < esden> hi Elboras 
18:33 < d3mian> davicom works nice for me (re)
18:33 < Elboras> you are all using RockLinux here ?
18:34 < huebi> Elboras: No. only Windows XP (just kidding)
18:34 < d3mian> no, im using slack 8.1 for now
18:34 < Elboras> okay
18:35 < huebi> Elboras: What do you want to know?
18:35 < Elboras> nothing ;)
18:36 < huebi> ok
18:36 < esden> d3mian: i had big problems with davicom and sca harddisks
18:36 < esden> but currently the disks are @ rippy
18:36 < esden> so i can use the davicom without problems ;-)
18:37 * -> esden taking a shower
18:37 < d3mian> i see ;)
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19:28 < owl> hi
19:28 < huebi> hi owl. Is the coffee ready? *g*
19:29 < owl> hi huebi. yeah. with poison inside *vbeg*
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19:42 < snyke> *g*
19:42 < snyke> hi
19:42 < huebi> hi snyke
19:43 < snyke> hi ppl
19:43 * snyke is here since 14:40 :)
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19:55 < plfiorini> hi
19:55 < h0h0> hi
19:56 < huebi> hi plfiorini
19:56 < h0h0> damit
19:56 < plfiorini> hi huebi
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20:51 < huebi> moin tsa
20:51 < tsa> tag
20:52 < tsa> huhu huebi
20:52 < owl> hi tsa
20:52 < tsa> hi owl
20:52 < tsa> einen Kaffee, bitte.
20:52 < owl> mit gift... kannste haben
20:52 < tsa> nee...mit Koffein reicht mir.
20:52 < owl> nene... wenn schon, denn schon
20:55 < huebi> owl: einen Kaffee, bitte.
20:55 < owl> huebi: ja. mit gift, kannste einen bekommen
20:56 < huebi> owl: nee...mit Koffein bitte
20:56 < owl> ja. kaffee hat koffein in sich... und gift - wenn ich ihn mache... :PPP
20:56 * huebi needs a coffee bot. 
20:57 < tsa> huebi: ACK.
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21:00 < huebi> I never thought a woman can be replaced by a small shell script which is even more reliable and faster in it's response.
21:01 < tsa> huebi: NO PROBLEM.
21:01 < tsa> #!/bin/bash
21:01 < tsa> exit 1
21:01 < owl> tsa: thank you very much.
21:01 < huebi> *LOL* - the perfect emulation of a woman.
21:02 < huebi> #!/bin/bash
21:02 < huebi> echo 1 > /proc/coffee
21:02 < tsa> huebi: well..../bin/bash might have too much features.
21:02 < tsa> huebi: du you know "sash"?
21:02 < huebi> tsa: no
21:02 < tsa> (a static shell)
21:03 < tsa> very difficult to use, no tab-completion, no readline, ..
21:03 < tsa> perhaps that one's more appropriate..
21:03 < owl> tsa: sounds like fscking dos prompt...
21:05 < huebi> owl: no, like a woman too dump to make coffee
21:05 < owl> huebi: thx a lot.
21:05 < huebi> owl: You're welcome.
21:06 < owl> huebi: :P
21:06 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux
21:06 < Mike1> Hi all
21:06 < huebi> moin Miguel ;-)
21:06 < owl> huebi: do you know why i just love my computer?
21:07 < owl> hi Mike1
21:07 < Mike1> moin Andreas :)
21:07 < Mike1> hi Sandra
21:07 < huebi> owl: because it's pink!
21:07 < th> hi Mike1
21:07 < Mike1> Tobias :)
21:07 < th> *g*
21:07 < owl> huebi: because there's a logic behind it.
21:07 < th> Mike1: i think i finished your work last night
21:07 < owl> huebi: and a computer is sensitive. not like men.
21:07 < huebi> owl: *LOOOL*
21:07 < owl> hi th
21:07 < th> hi owl
21:08 < Mike1> th: really??
21:08 < th> Mike1: have a look
21:08 < Mike1> cool thank you so muh i now go to have a look
21:08 < owl> men are like dogs. they just can bite.
21:09 < Mike1> th: exellent :)) thanks you so much
21:12 < huebi> owl: You're not experienced in handling a dog at all.
21:13 < owl> huebi: tj0. that's fscked up life, isn't it?
21:13 < huebi> owl: Your life, hehe
21:14 < owl> huebi: yeah. but i prefer that kind of life. it's much better than life with husband + children + dog + house + car + so on.
21:15 < huebi> owl: why?
21:15 < tsa> huebi: a husband could like coffee...
21:15 < owl> huebi: cuz i wanna be independent!
21:16 < huebi> owl: independece is a dream only for fools.
21:16 < tsa> owl: you're female..
21:16 < tsa> *duck*
21:16 < owl> huebi: no, no and finally: no!
21:16 < owl> tsa: shut up!
21:16 < tsa> hehe
21:18 < huebi> owl: Why no? This is a matter of fakt. If you ignore it it's your (female) problem.
21:18 < huebi> -it
21:19 < owl> huebi: *grrrrrrrrrrrrrr*
21:19 < huebi> owl: What's up with you. I mention a lack of ligic in your mind.
21:20 < huebi> logic even.
21:25 < huebi> owl: Do you have a problem with logic?
21:26 < tsa> huebi: owl is still computing.. ;-)
21:27 < huebi> tsa: But how? With a missinf LPU (Logic Processing Unit).
21:27 < huebi> s/f/g
21:27 < huebi>  /
21:31 < Mike1> You guys (and girl) i will be setting up a ROCK stand at a computing event in CR by the end of the month, could anyone help me with with cool logos and slogans, and even ideas to work around the PR stuff, eg. Tshirts and some papers, also i will be giving a conference some ideas for the topic will be apreciated :)
21:32 < owl> huebi: you even can't write. so give up everything.
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21:32 < netcrow> hi
21:33 < Mike1> hi netcrow
21:33 < owl> hi netcrow
21:35 < tsa> hi netcrow
21:37 < [anders]> kerfuffel...
21:38 < [anders]> moin zusammen..
21:38 < [anders]> hello everybody
21:38 < huebi> re [anders]
21:38 < [anders]> hejsan svejsan i lingonskogen...
21:39 < [anders]> hullo huebi.... going to read the scrollback as I wait for the CD to be written..
21:41 < huebi> owl: What you just said is not even worth to be a thesis. Could you please try to stop thinking "logical"? It seams to be a waste of time.
21:42 < owl> huebi: *argh*
21:43 < huebi> Ah. I hit the point.
21:43 < tsa> lol
21:43 * owl 's reading "some" mails
21:43 < Mike1> hi [anders]
21:44 < huebi> Strike!
21:45 < [anders]> yo Mike1
21:46 < Mike1> [anders]: too bad i have so damn busy to work on our tree :(
21:46 < huebi> owl: If you ignore that you're a woman and also your feelings you will never win an argument with logic. Have fun wih your mails.
21:46 < [anders]> Mike1: not to worry.. I have merged in the updates from CVS today.. I'll patch up our tree with the mods and rsync it back.. is that ok?
21:46 < owl> thx. i will have. just some hundred ... lfs-mailing list... :PPP
21:47 < Mike1> [anders]: more than ok is great :)
21:47 < Mike1> owl: i thought you said you are not a developer?
21:48 < owl> mike1: yeah. i'm still not a developer.
21:48 < Mike1> then whats the deal with been subscribed to lfs ?
21:49 * Mike1 reading [anders] mail, quite interesting
21:56 < netcrow> hm, where can i leech the newest rock-iso für my P4?
21:57 < huebi> ftp://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.17/rock-ia32-i586-base+opt-1.5.17.iso
21:57 < netcrow> thx
22:00 < [anders]> owl: you should try subscribing to LKML and then go on holiday for three weeks.. *ouch*
22:00 < huebi> aszlig: ACK
22:00 < huebi> [anders]: Ack even
22:00 < [anders]> Mike1: ok.. I'll update our tree then.. :)
22:01 < [anders]> huebi: I made that mistake a few years ago over christmas.. 2173 e-mails was waiting for me when I came back.. :)
22:01 < Mike1> [anders]: sounds like you had fun
22:01 < owl> netcrow: did you already buy a notebook?
22:02 < netcrow> i take the order last saturday, and i am waiting now for the "auftragsbestätigung"
22:02 < owl> netcrow: hehe. dell? which one?
22:03 < tsa> n8 - i'm too tired today.
22:03 < tsa> cu tomorrow..
22:03 < huebi> cu tsa
22:03 < huebi> sleep well tsa
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22:04 < [anders]> Mike1: to a degree.. the openssh trojan was moderately funny however.. I still don't understand how anyone could gain access to ftp.openbsd.org and modify three tar archives and md5sum files..
22:05 < Mike1> [anders]: i believe this was not made from the outside
22:05 < [anders]> Mike1: I would not be surprised if it was an insider job. But who?
22:05 < SMP> it wasn't necessarily ftp.openbsd.org
22:06 < Mike1> SMP: ?
22:06 < netcrow> owl: a dell
22:06 < Mike1> still i believe this was made by someone from thwe inside, who i certainly dont know
22:06 < owl> netcrow: a sweet 8200 inspiron?
22:09 < huebi> SMP: I got the trojaned file from ftp.openbsd.org
22:09 < Mike1> see you guys in a while
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22:09 < huebi> cu mi
22:10 < huebi> netcrow: You should also a 3 year full support contract for the notebook.
22:13 < netcrow> huebi: i have choosen 1 year (hm, my english is really really bad)
22:13 < SMP> yeah, I meant it wasn't necessarily ftp.openbsd.org (aka. sunsite.ualberta.ca) that was compromised
22:15 < huebi> SMP: Then the server where the files came from...
22:15 < [anders]> SMP: the master copy of the archive resides on ftp.openbsd.org and that file had been compromised..
22:16 < huebi> netcrow: Make it longer, If you can. Full support localy at your home. The technician _must_ come to fix it. (You must be, at least for that contract, too dump even to know what a screwdriver is)
22:18 < huebi> netcrow: Iknow somebody, who did that. He was very lucky about that contract when he killed his keybord.
22:18 < netcrow> sure, but it`s cheaper without... ;-)
22:18 < owl> man kill_keyboard
22:18 * netcrow is thinking.
22:18 < owl> how does this work? ;)
22:19 < huebi> netcrow: are you really sure? Cheaper and dell *LOOOL*
22:20 < huebi> netcrow: You don't know their spare part prices, do yuo?
22:22 < netcrow> no?
22:22 < th> IRIX 6.5.17 is out
22:22 < huebi> netcrow: ??
22:22 < netcrow> hmn, ich kann ja noch stornieren ;-)
22:25 < huebi> netcrow: Get all the informations and order then (again?). It's really a hit in your wallet if you have to pay spareparts for yourself at dell. Also it's much cheaper, if you think about the problems you could have if you kill some more parts if you fix it yourself. Also There schould no dead pixels in the display.
22:32 < netcrow> ok
22:34 < netcrow> okay, thx, bye...now i go sleeping and thinking ;-)
22:34 < huebi> cu netcrow
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22:35 < esden> morning boys and girls
22:35 < owl> hi esden
22:35 < huebi> re esden
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23:15 < Mike1> re
23:15 < huebi> re Mike1
23:15 < owl> re Mike1
23:15 < th> re Mike1
23:16 < huebi> owl: Have you got a coffee for Mike1 ?
23:16 < [anders]> yo Mike1, the tree has been updated.. :)
23:16 < Mike1> huebi: i dont think so she hate me
23:16 < [anders]> huebi: did you get anywhere with qt earlier? :)
23:17 < Mike1> [anders]: excellent
23:17 < huebi> NO. SAME ERROR AGAIN.
23:17 < Mike1> [anders]: made a changelog file?
23:19 < [anders]> Mike1: uhm.. only the standard one.. I haven't really changed anything that isn't in the main tree.. :)
23:19 < Mike1> [anders]: oh ok :)
23:20 < Mike1> [anders]: btw how did you go with ur girl's b-day?
23:20 < [anders]> Mike1: you mean yesterday with my girlfriend? It was a very nice day apart from work then.. :)
23:21 < Mike1> nice, i should take one those days too
23:21 < [anders]> Nice quiet evening, nice food, she had her presents and then we took it easy together..
23:21 < Mike1> actually my b-day and is a few weeks, and also my girlsfriends so i might take of those days :)
23:22 < Mike1> [anders]: thats what it is all about
23:22 < [anders]> Mike1: indeed..
23:22 < [anders]> huebi: Hmm.. I'll build stage 3 and see the error..
23:23 < huebi> [anders]: should be like this:
23:23 < huebi> cp -f -p "../doc/html/layout1.png" "/usr/doc/html/"
23:23 < huebi> strip "/usr/doc/html/"
23:23 < huebi> strip: /usr/doc/html/: Is a directory
23:23 < huebi> make[2]: *** [install_docs] Error 1
23:23 < huebi> make[2]: Leaving directory `/rock-linux/src/qt-x11-free-3.0.5/src'
23:23 < huebi> make[1]: *** [src-install] Error 2
23:23 < huebi> make[1]: Leaving directory `/rock-linux/src/qt-x11-free-3.0.5'
23:23 < huebi> make: *** [install] Error 2
23:24 < [anders]> huebi: that looks very much like they have messed up the build in 3.0.5.. You think we should roll back to 3.0.4 ?
23:25 < Mike1> messed up? roll back?
23:25 < huebi> I know now it's only the installation. Perhaps I can fix it. If not we should roll back to 3.0.4
23:27 < huebi> [anders]: I started a compile run by hand now.
23:27 < [anders]> from the log it looks like it tries to strip a directory, and that will never work..
23:28 < huebi> [anders]: ACK
23:31 < [anders]> I will cut this CD first (making mp3 cd's for my gf's birthday present.. a sony mp3 cd walkman)
23:31 < huebi> [anders]: nice present. ;-)
23:32 < [anders]> then I will start the stage 3.. :)
23:33 < [anders]> huebi: I got it from dabs here in UK.. (dabs.com) She had been talking about getting one, so I thought I could get her one for her birthday.. :)
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23:45 < Mike1> I need to start working around a radius server, anyone could recomend me the best version to do this? (FreeRadius, Cistrom, Livingston??) or perhaps something that can be the best option :)
23:47 < huebi> Mike1: No idea. I never made something with radius.
23:47 < Mike1> huebi: oh :( ok
23:48 < [anders]> stage 3 just fired off.. and I am off towards bed-land..
23:48 < Mike1> n8 [anders]
23:48 < huebi> [anders]: sleep well.
23:52 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@80.128.51.40] has joined #rocklinux
23:54 < huebi> hi chrisime
23:54 < [anders]> nigth gniht alles..
23:55 < huebi> cu tomorrow [anders]
23:56 < chrisime> jo
23:56 < chrisime> hab ich mich heut aergern muessen!
23:56 < chrisime> scheiss netzwerke
23:56 < chrisime> besondern unter winbloed
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