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--- Log opened Fri Aug 02 00:00:34 2002 --- Day changed Fri Aug 02 2002 00:06 < huebi> I found the error in qt. I need to compile it again ;( 00:06 < chrisime> takes ages 00:06 < chrisime> i hate qt 00:07 < chrisime> it took me about 1.5 hours to compile 00:07 < huebi> ~20min for one compile. 00:07 < chrisime> heh 00:08 < chrisime> 2000Ghz? 00:08 < chrisime> Mhz 00:08 < huebi> make -j4 on a dual Athlon XP1800+ 00:08 < chrisime> ok 00:08 < huebi> 3066MHz *g* 00:08 < chrisime> dann wundert mich nix 00:08 < chrisime> naja 00:08 < chrisime> eher so 2.8 ghz in etwa 00:09 < huebi> chrisime: sonst wuerde ich das auch nicht machen. 00:09 < chrisime> qt bloat einfach mehr sag ich net ;-) 00:09 < chrisime> da brauch ich schon std um ueberhaupt damit arbeiten zu koennen ;-) 00:09 < chrisime> s/std/stunden 00:10 < huebi> ist schon weniger geworden. Vor ein paar wochen musste es noch 4x durchkopiliert werden. 00:10 < huebi> +m 00:11 < chrisime> naja 00:11 < chrisime> ich kriegs kotzen bei so grossen libs 00:12 < chrisime> das ding ist so ueberladen mit allem 00:12 < huebi> Das build system von qt ist fast so uebel, wie das von OpenOffice. 00:12 < chrisime> kein wunder 00:12 < chrisime> qt ist von ner firma 00:12 < chrisime> und openoffice auch 00:13 < chrisime> da lob ich mir die 'nichtkommerzielle' software 00:13 < huebi> apache *g* 00:13 < huebi> ? 00:13 < huebi> ACK 00:13 < chrisime> apache geht doch einfach 00:13 < chrisime> und v.a. sehr schnell 00:14 < huebi> c++ ist noch ausreichend schnell, java ist dann aber so richtiger Muell 00:15 < huebi> Javawebserver auf SUN SparcStation IPC: <400Byte/s 00:17 < chrisime> hm 00:18 < huebi> Java sucks 00:21 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@217.160.107.22] has quit ("Lost terminal") 00:21 < chrisime> naja 00:21 < chrisime> ich mags 00:22 < huebi> Fuer Pilepallekram geht das schon. Aber nicht wenn das Programm richtig viel Rechenleistung braucht. 00:23 < Mike1> huebi: i realized that you didnt aply the patches i sent 00:23 < Mike1> guess there weren't usefull 00:23 < chrisime> dafuer isses ja au net gedacht 00:23 < huebi> Mike1: They are for Gnome2. Don't they break anything in Gnome1? 00:23 < chrisime> da schreibs ich lieber in C++ 00:24 < Mike1> huebi: not sure but anyways [anders] and i will be working around gnome2 on our private tree :) 00:26 < huebi> Mike1: I think it's better to leave Gnome1 as it is now in the official tree. When you and [anders] get Gnome2 to work fine then I switch to Gnome2 in the official tree. 00:26 < Mike1> huebi: yes i understand 00:28 * Mike1 leaving 00:28 < Mike1> see you tomorrow 00:28 < huebi> Mike1: after the hack meeting in Vienna, 1.5 should be stable enough to become 1.6.0. I still need very much error handling and documentation in it to get it from usable to stable. 00:29 < Mike1> huebi: i see 00:29 < Mike1> huebi: anyways we will do the best we can with gnome2 case you get stable first we will use it for 1.6.1 or so 00:29 < Mike1> anyways i need to go pick up my girl to go to the movies so i will talk to you later 00:30 < Mike1> bye 00:30 < huebi> Mike1: by 00:30 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 00:30 < huebi> have fun 00:32 < huebi> chrisime: Es gibt leider sehr viele Programmierer, die von den Systemanforderungen ihrer Software nicht genug wissen. Und dann kommt halt oft Java zum einsatz, wo C++ noch zu langsam ist. 00:35 < chrisime> ? 00:36 < huebi> chrisime: Wenig Speicher und laangsaame CPU ;-) Also alte Hardware. 00:37 < huebi> oder Datenbankauswertungen im Javaprogramm anstatt in der Datenbanksoftware. 00:38 < chrisime> wo waere C++ zu langsam 00:38 < huebi> wenn geswaped wird 00:39 < chrisime> erm 00:39 < huebi> C++ Binaries sind IMHO oft groesser, als C bins. 00:42 < chrisime> jo 00:42 < chrisime> weiss 00:42 < chrisime> ich mach grad n C++ app 00:43 < chrisime> gfx package manager fuer debian 00:43 < chrisime> in C++ 00:53 < h0h0> anyone here ever registered a domain with gandi.net? 00:54 < huebi> no 00:59 < th> huebi: you can't say that 00:59 < th> huebi: you can't know 00:59 < huebi> th: Why? 01:00 < th> huebi: you could just say "not me" 01:00 < huebi> th: ACK. I wanted to express that. 01:00 < th> huebi: i know ;) 01:04 * owl leaves you ... 01:04 < huebi> cu owl 01:04 * th follows. 01:04 < th> later folks 01:04 < huebi> cu th 01:04 < owl> cu. gn8 01:05 -!- owl [~mail-spam@B58b6.pppool.de] has quit ("back to fscking reality") 01:29 < esden> re hi all 01:29 < esden> puhh 01:29 < esden> back home 01:39 < huebi> re hi esden 01:43 < esden> ahh still someone alife ... cool 01:43 < huebi> ;) 01:46 < chrisime> maaaa 01:46 < chrisime> n8 MaedelZ! 01:46 < huebi> cu chrisime 01:46 < chrisime> >:P 01:47 < esden> n8 chrisime 01:48 < esden> humba humba 02:05 < huebi> esden: ? 02:06 < huebi> esden: how do I delete a line in afile containing this: 'strip "$(INSTALL_ROOT)/doc/html/"' ? 02:06 < huebi> with sed in a script? 02:07 < esden> hmm ... 02:07 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@80.128.51.40] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:07 < esden> let me see 02:07 < esden> you could make it with negative grep ... 02:08 < esden> this would be grep -v 02:08 < huebi> yes. Ok. But how can I do it with sed? 02:08 < esden> hmm ... 02:09 < esden> i have to investigate that .. I do not know it by hard 02:10 < huebi> grep -v strip |grep -vgrep strip src/Makefile.orig |grep html 02:10 < huebi> strip "$(INSTALL_ROOT)/usr/doc/html/" 02:10 < huebi> strip "$(INSTALL_ROOT)/usr/doc/html/" 02:11 < huebi> that works... 02:12 < esden> hmm ... is it ok ... or do you need sed ? 02:12 < esden> should I search ... or you want leave it like that ... ? 02:13 < huebi> it's the src/Makefile after 'make' I have to change with qt.conf in /rock-linux/dist/rock-linux/src/qt-x11-free-3.0.5 02:14 < huebi> esden: please search. 02:14 < huebi> I must delete only these 2 lines. Then it compiles. 02:15 < huebi> The src/Makefile is generated by 'make' 02:28 < praenti> hi 02:28 < praenti> anybody here at the moment? 02:33 -!- Freak [freak@p50839294.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("I take this land for my bunghole!") 02:35 < huebi> n8 02:37 < praenti> n8 03:08 -!- tomik [~tomik@212.11.125.147] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03:12 -!- tomik [~tomik@212.11.125.147] has joined #rocklinux 03:28 < esden> argh bin ich bloed 03:28 < esden> grr 03:41 < esden> n8 @ all 03:41 -!- Freak [freak@p50839294.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:28 -!- rxr_away_ [~rene@port-212-202-169-170.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 05:28 -!- rxr_away [~rene@port-212-202-168-230.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:30 -!- Netsplit vinge.openprojects.net <-> irc.openprojects.net quits: [anders], hackbard, rxr_away_ 06:31 -!- Netsplit over, joins: rxr_away_, hackbard, [anders] 06:32 -!- hackbard [~hackbard@faim.Physik.Uni-Augsburg.DE] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:32 -!- hackbard [~hackbard@faim.Physik.Uni-Augsburg.DE] has joined #rocklinux 07:38 -!- owl [~mail-spam@213.68.39.1] has joined #rocklinux 07:38 < owl> hi 07:46 < [anders]> moin Sandra 07:46 < owl> stange. someone alive here in the morning ;P 07:47 < [anders]> huebi: found a problem with cpio.. the defs.patch doesn't apply to the updated archive. I just moved the patch out of the way and cpio compiled.. 07:47 < [anders]> <- shower and breakfast = afk 08:10 < [anders]> owl: I have been up and and awake and chatting on here before 6am UK time before.. :) 08:15 < owl> [anders]: hehe. you didn't sleep, did you? 08:15 < owl> *this night 08:15 < [anders]> Oh yes.. 08:16 < [anders]> went to bed about 23 last night.. 08:16 < owl> *lol* now i know why you are able to get up so early :P 08:16 < [anders]> huebi: ifhp is now broken after the update. I'll see if I can troubleshoot it.. 08:17 * owl went to bed at about 03:00 a.m. and had to get up at about 05:00 a.m. --> almost dead 08:17 < [anders]> owl: having had a daughter making me get up at 5:15 in the morning sort of helped me into this routine.. 08:17 < owl> *g* ok, poor man :PPP 08:18 * owl is glad not to behave a man, boyfriend, children - whatever. 08:18 < [anders]> and also, if I leave for work now, I get parkingspaces within walking distance of the offices.. if I leave in an hour, I might have to order a taxi.. ;-) 08:18 < [anders]> takes me almost an hour getting in to work.. 08:19 < [anders]> So, time to go to work.. back in an hour or so.. :) 08:19 < [anders]> <- afk - driving to work 08:19 < owl> at me about 2 hours (incl. waiting for trains)... and back another 2 hours... :-/ 08:19 < owl> ok. i'm currently in office. so i'll leave #rocklinux now :) 08:20 < owl> cu later.... (maybe after midnight... don't know it yet. ) 08:21 -!- owl [~mail-spam@213.68.39.1] has quit ("w0rking. destroying windoze. hating gates. ...") 08:32 < huebi> moin 08:42 < huebi> [anders]: the cpio package is fixed now (also in cvs) 09:05 -!- tchan [~tchan@w210.z208176060.phx-az.dsl.cnc.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:06 -!- tchan [~tchan@w210.z208176060.phx-az.dsl.cnc.net] has left #rocklinux () 09:12 < [anders]> god morgon allihopa! :) 09:12 < [anders]> huebi: okay, I will pull CVS and patch it up.. :) 09:13 < huebi> moin [anders] 09:14 < huebi> I found the error in qt. Now I need some sed script in the qt.conf file. 09:15 < huebi> It must delete the 2 lines containing "strip" and "html" 09:15 < huebi> the whole pattern is: strip "$(INSTALL_ROOT)/usr/doc/html/" 09:22 < huebi> [anders]: ifhp should work too. there was no fix needed 09:25 < [anders]> huebi: will see what happens when I get to ifhp again.. :) 09:25 < [anders]> just started another stage 3 run.. after picking up patches from cvs.. 09:27 * [anders] is thinking about the pattern and how it could be done.. 09:51 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@212.116.24.1] has joined #rocklinux 09:51 < bluefire> Hi 09:51 < huebi> moin bluefire 09:57 < huebi> 865433284 automake/automake-1.6.3.tar.bz2 ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/automake/ <- update 10:07 < [anders]> huebi: ifhp was complaining about ghostscript and something not being available or working.. if I come across it again, I'll let you know and I'll try and debug it.. Perhaps I should re-order things and have gs build before ifhp ? 10:08 < huebi> [anders]: her it works fine. But I don't know why. 10:09 < huebi> 3558093973 ifhp/ifhp-3.5.10.tgz ftp://ftp.lprng.com/pub/LPRng/ifhp/ 10:11 < huebi> here its built after ghostscript. 10:12 < huebi> [anders]: You're right. We have to change the build order. 10:13 < [anders]> huebi: ok.. are you on the case? 10:13 < huebi> yes, I am 10:23 < huebi> [anders]: ghostscript has now a changed build order 10:28 < [anders]> huebi: great stuff.. I'll grab CVS after this meeting I have to attend now.. 10:28 < [anders]> :-) 10:30 < huebi> [anders]: have fun - and coffee 10:32 -!- Netsplit vinge.openprojects.net <-> irc.openprojects.net quits: [anders], rxr_away_ 10:32 -!- Netsplit over, joins: rxr_away_, [anders] 11:45 < huebi> sed -e '/-strip/p' -e '/strip/d' src/Makefile.orig >src/Makefile - seems to work. I'm testing now. 11:54 < [anders]> huebi: Ok.. I'll hold off on grabbing CVS until you've tested the qt fix and checked it in.. Got stuff I need to work on at work as well so.. ;-) 11:56 < huebi> [anders]: The test will be finished in about 15 minutes. If the first run of qt succiedes I check it in then imediatly. 11:56 < huebi> and dont wait for the finish of the second run. 11:57 < [anders]> huebi: also very little response so far on trying to drop privilegies in the build process.. I think I might try and implement the whole thing in the Build-Pkg script and if I get it to work, I'll send a patch to the mailing-list for review.. 11:58 < huebi> [anders]: good idea 12:11 < huebi> YES! It works! 12:15 < huebi> and make $makeopt now works, too. 12:18 < huebi> [anders]: You can update your cvs. qt is fixed now. 12:21 < huebi> afk 12:22 < [anders]> huebi: excellent. I will do the work on Build-Pkg over the wekeend. It should be fairly straight forward and I will try and write the update to the documentation as well. In worst case I will have to make assumptions and let Build-Pkg add the user, build the package and then remove the user when the package has been built. 12:23 < huebi> [anders]: please put the documentation into Build-Pkg. Else it must be searched and is not in place where it's needed. 12:24 < huebi> have a look in qt.conf. I added much of explanation and debug output in that script. 12:26 < [anders]> huebi: ok, will do.. going afk for a while. trying to give value for money at work.. ;-) 12:26 * [anders] afk 12:43 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@paradome.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:21 < [anders]> grumble.. no gv breaks.. need to build in order xfree86 (to get X11 headers) then gv and finally ifhp.. /me will look at build order and see what can be done.. 13:21 < [anders]> s/no /now / 13:22 < [anders]> err.. gs, not gv 13:33 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-2-58.tin.it] has joined #rocklinux 13:43 < [anders]> hullo there plfiorini, how's things? 13:43 < plfiorini> hello [anders] 13:44 < plfiorini> uh i am tired 13:44 * [anders] is in trouble.. have run out of tea.. need to go fetch another cup.. :) 13:44 < plfiorini> ahah 13:44 < plfiorini> try coffe 13:44 < [anders]> plfiorini: join the club.. /me has been tired for the last few weeks.. 13:44 < plfiorini> heh 13:44 < [anders]> plfiorini: already had a double espresso this morning.. Need to keep the coffee intake down a little.. 13:44 < plfiorini> i need some vacations 13:45 * plfiorini drink 2 cups of coffe every day 13:45 < plfiorini> driks 13:46 < [anders]> I used to drink loads of coffee.. like 5-6 cups a day.. (espresso strength) and tea as well.. but that got problematic as I was getting dehydrated.. So now I drink tea mainly but top up with coffee as well.. 13:47 < plfiorini> hhe good 13:50 < [anders]> I know I should be drinking about a liter and a half of watar as well, but that gets tedious when I have to go the loo about once every half hour.. :-/ 13:52 < plfiorini> heh 14:24 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-2-58.tin.it] has quit ("i should go at work") 14:30 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has joined #rocklinux 14:30 < armijn> re 14:46 < rolla> re 15:15 < [anders]> tjo flöjt! huebi, are you around? 15:16 < [anders]> huebi: new set of patches uploaded, anders.patches.1.5.17.020802.tbz2, if you could take a look at them and if you agree with them, apply to the CVS tree.. 15:17 < [anders]> re-ordering ghostscript and ifhp to be built right after xfree86 to get X11 includes and a patch to libpng makefile.patch 15:19 < praenti> hi 15:21 < [anders]> afternoon praenti.. :) 15:21 * praenti wants to have more time for rock. can anyone give me time? 15:30 -!- kaerF [freak@p5083893B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:31 -!- Freak [freak@p50839294.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: kaerF!freak@p5083893B.dip.t-dialin.net))) 15:31 -!- kaerF is now known as Freak 15:32 -!- h0h0 [~hoho@3ffe:80ee:7c6:0:0:0:0:fe] has quit ("I don't care. I don't give a shit. Now Shut up.") 15:51 < esden> humba humba 15:52 < [anders]> 2.4.19-rc5-ac1 is now available.. just had a look for updates and there it was.. :) 15:55 * [anders] will try this kernel out later tonight on the laptop, and if that works well, it is time to try again on the Shuttle... 16:08 < esden> hmm ... who want's to port the patch from clifford to recent kernel's ? 16:08 < esden> yes I know always the one that asks 16:09 < esden> cu guys ... I move myself to bitz 16:22 * [anders] is building stuff both at home and at work.. 16:24 * rolla is downloading gnome2 :) 16:25 < [anders]> rolla: Mike1 and I are working on getting Gnome2 ready for ROCK 1.6.1.. The idea is to have it in there for then.. 16:27 < rolla> :) 16:27 < rolla> cool 16:28 < rolla> I don't have rock on my work box yet so when gnome2 is there and dRock is stable I'll have rock at work 16:28 < [anders]> the idea is to get 1.6.0 out a.s.a.p. and then follow up quite quickly with 1.6.1 with more updates and Gnome2 added.. (if I have understood things correctly..) 16:29 < [anders]> rolla: I am at work and I have had Rock on this laptop since I bought it.. (Rock 1.4.0, many packages updated) 16:30 < rolla> :) sweet 16:31 < rolla> I have rock on a box back in the lab to play with 16:35 < [anders]> rock 1.4.0 is starting to get a bit outdated... 16:36 < [anders]> It is time to upgrade.. but I will not upgrade until I have a spare hdd to put in the laptop to do the installs from.. then I can attach the old hdd via USB and pull things I need off of it that way.. 16:37 < rolla> :) 16:38 < rolla> my laptop os the only windows box I have at woek 16:38 < rolla> s/woek/work/ 16:41 < [anders]> there is a neat 60GB IBM 2.5" hdd, 5400rpm, disk that I have my eyes on.. That should be quite adequate for what I want.. :) 16:42 < rolla> I would think so :) 17:03 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 17:03 < Mike1> moin 17:17 < huebi> re MoeP! hi 17:17 < Mike1> hi huebi 17:17 < huebi> esden: huhu? 17:17 < huebi> hi Mike1 17:26 < th> [anders]: your laptop has usb 2.0? 17:28 < huebi> hi th 17:30 < th> hi huebi 17:30 < th> hi # 17:30 < huebi> th: how are you today? 17:31 < [anders]> th: no, afraid not.. 17:31 < th> huebi: getting better. slowly :-/ 17:31 < th> huebi: thx 17:32 < huebi> th: Very nice to hear that. 17:32 < [anders]> re Mike1 17:33 < th> huebi: i think i'm getting back my self control. 17:34 < huebi> one big change now works (at least it seams so) MAKE="$MAKE -j1" is now replaced with makeopt="$makeopy -j1". This solves the problem of too many make processes are spawned in submakes. 17:35 < [anders]> huebi: did you get the patches I uploaded? 17:35 < huebi> [anders]: Yes, I have them. I have a look at them now. 17:36 < [anders]> huebi: ok.. I had to reorder ghostscript and ifhp to be built after xfree86 as ghostscript required X11 includes.. 17:40 * huebi applying patches... 17:45 < Mike1> god mordon [anders] :) 17:48 < [anders]> God morgon Mike1 :) 17:48 < Mike1> wie geht es ihnen? 17:49 < huebi> [anders]: Your patches are applied now. 17:54 * Mike1 working a little bit 17:54 * armijn expecting flames 17:55 < esden> hi armijn 17:55 < esden> armijn: are you ready with the iso ? 17:56 < armijn> esden: downloaded it aaaaaaaaaaaaages ago 17:56 < esden> I said you that you should inform me when you are ready >_< 17:56 < armijn> ehr, ehr, ehr...ehr 17:56 < huebi> esden: Does the harddrive work in the alpha? 17:57 * armijn apologizes to esden 17:57 < armijn> esden: I'm sorry, I'm sorry :) 17:57 < armijn> ehr, :( 17:58 < armijn> esden: angry now? 17:58 < esden> armijn: yes a bit 17:58 < esden> huebi: not tested yet ... too short on time currently 17:59 < armijn> esden: does it cost you anything, like money for diskspace or so? 17:59 < esden> armijn: the traffic on this box is payed by my club 17:59 < esden> when the box makes too much traffic the box will be shutdown 18:00 < esden> and that is very bad 18:00 < armijn> esden: yeah, sure, but nobody else downloaded it, right? 18:00 < esden> armijn: hope so 18:00 < armijn> well, you can delete it now...or whatever 18:00 < armijn> I hope you still love me... 18:01 < esden> I move it now back to my home 18:01 < armijn> but, after having read that mail I just sent out, I don't think anyone who uses ROCK loves me anymore... 18:01 < esden> armijn: urgh ... /me reading 18:03 < [anders]> huebi: okidoki.. I'll have a play later and see if I can come up with more patches.. ;-) 18:04 < [anders]> Mike1: I'll update the rsync tree later.. I have to raise a defect at work and that will take a while, then I have to drive home.. 18:04 < Mike1> armijn: "Seriously, Gentoo 18:04 < Mike1> does a far better job than ROCK." 18:04 * Mike1 reading armijn's mail 18:04 * -> esden reading @ Mike1 18:04 < Mike1> [anders]: ok i will do some work too in a bit 18:05 < Mike1> hi esden :) 18:05 < Mike1> armijn "ROCK's package manager sucks 18:05 < Mike1> BIG time." .... 18:06 < armijn> mike1: yes, it does 18:07 < Mike1> .... "ROCK is nice, but actually, I think Gentoo is much nicer and a lot of work has to be done to make ROCK as nice as Gentoo. 18:07 < Mike1> " 18:07 < esden> armijn: why are you still here and not in #gentoo ??? 18:07 * Mike1 disapointed 18:08 < esden> Mike1: AOL 18:08 < huebi> @ ALL: Can you now understand my crying for documentation? 18:08 < armijn> hey, I just made an observation... 18:08 < huebi> armijn: ACK 18:09 < esden> the main problem is that we do not have as many developers as gentoo 18:09 < armijn> well, if I really have to go to #gentoo, it's no problem 18:09 < huebi> armijn: And you like toprovoke ;-)) 18:09 < armijn> I can go. 18:09 < armijn> it's just a few commands in IRC... 18:09 < esden> armijn: that was not what I wanted to say 18:09 < Mike1> armijn: i feel it more like giving reasons to everyone subscribed to rock-linux to try gentoo and go away from rock 18:09 < armijn> mike1: well, maybe 18:10 < huebi> esden: And that these develpers don't finish theire work! btw what's up with qt on alpha? ;>> 18:10 < armijn> at least I tried to show where Gentoo outperforms ROC 18:10 < esden> ok let us all switch to gentoo it is sssoooooo much better 18:10 < armijn> +K 18:10 < esden> but get gentoo rumming on dietlibc :-> 18:10 < armijn> I haven't tried building it from scratch... 18:10 < Mike1> armijn: observations are always ok, but in my point of view it looks more like a gentoo developers critizacing rock, not a rock developer reporting 18:11 < armijn> yeah, well, maybe I should switch... 18:11 < armijn> naaah! 18:11 < huebi> Mike1: 18:09 < huebi> armijn: And you like toprovoke ;-)) 18:11 < Mike1> thought i believe those reports helps imrpove things that we have 18:11 < huebi> esden: What's up with qt on alpha? 18:11 < huebi> esden: What's up with qt on alpha? 18:11 < huebi> esden: What's up with qt on alpha? 18:11 < huebi> esden: What's up with qt on alpha? 18:12 < esden> ngngngngngng 18:12 < Mike1> i think i could improve the current ROCK Guide to make it even more human for newbies 18:12 < Mike1> at least for 1.4 - 1.5 trees 18:12 < huebi> (I think I should switch to gentoo. The Alpha port is running there IIRC) 18:13 < huebi> esden: What's up with qt on alpha? 18:13 < Mike1> i still need to feel more confident with 1.7 18:13 < huebi> esden: you still didn't answer 18:13 < esden> armijn: cmon if there is so much to do to get rock so nice as gentoo ... start coding intensivly and improove rock ... I wait to see patches ;-) 18:13 < Mike1> huebi: have realized hoe many people develop on alpha port for gentoo and how much for rock ?? 18:13 < esden> huebi: as I said after vienna 18:14 < huebi> esden: Why? 18:14 < huebi> esden: So you can't bother anyone about bad ROCK Linux anymore! 18:14 < esden> huebi: because I have to test and fix some other things in the port that are way much more importaint then shitty qt 18:15 < huebi> Ok. I better drop alpha. 18:15 < armijn> yeah, shitty qt 18:15 < esden> huebi: ok your choice 18:15 < esden> I go now 18:15 < [anders]> put the handbags down guys.. 18:15 < esden> cu guys 18:15 < armijn> hmm...bad vibes here 18:16 < esden> qt sux sorry ... 18:16 < [anders]> ROCK might not be as polished as Gentoo.. Or Debian, or RedHat... At least it has character.. 18:16 < esden> but I have to go anyways 18:16 < huebi> esden did not understand that _all_ of 1.6.0 depends now on him. 18:17 < armijn> [anders] I never said it didn't :) 18:17 < armijn> huebi: what about sparc support? 18:17 < esden> huebi: and sparc ? 18:17 < huebi> ripclaw stoped sparc64 with his missind silo patch. 18:18 < esden> huh ??? 18:18 < huebi> rene stoped ia32 with his proposed linux* patches. 18:18 < esden> why there is no mail 18:18 < esden> no info 18:18 < esden> that sparc is being dropped ??? 18:19 < esden> or whatever 18:19 < huebi> esden: Read carfully. 18:19 < huebi> +e 18:19 < esden> ok 18:19 < esden> sorry 18:19 < huebi> Nothing is dropped. 18:20 < esden> so sparc is finished ? 18:20 < esden> stable and working ? 18:20 < armijn> nope 18:20 * -> esden confused 18:20 < armijn> still the same problems: kernel config + SILO 18:20 < armijn> and no X 18:20 < huebi> Only the work on 1.5 is not finished by some people too lazy, too ... to finish it before to start completly of in 1.7. 18:21 < armijn> and that's just sparc64, we haven't even touched sparc yet 18:21 < huebi> esden: Read carefully. 18:21 < huebi> kernel config is renes job. 18:22 < huebi> SILO is ripclaws or someone elses. 18:22 < esden> so we wait for patches for sparc ... alpha seems to me nearly finisched ... and I should be sure in two weeks ... so where is the problem ? 18:22 < huebi> esden: What about the LC-Display support in 1.5? 18:22 < esden> huebi: it works 18:22 < esden> I use it all the time 18:22 < huebi> esden: send me one, please 18:23 < esden> huebi: sure will do ... 18:23 < esden> but now I have to go 18:23 < huebi> esden: when? today or tomorrow? 18:23 < esden> cu l8er 18:23 * [anders] is a little disconcerted as there seems to be a rather large resistance to actually getting ROCK 1.6.0 off the ground. Not mentioning names or pointing fingers.. But the general impression is that there is some who are anti to 1.5.x and getting it sorted.. 18:23 < esden> huebi: monday 18:23 < armijn> kernel config is rxr's job? 18:23 < huebi> ALPHA is far from finished! 18:23 < huebi> armijn: ACK 18:24 * -> esden detatched 18:24 < huebi> [anders]: ACK. 18:24 < armijn> huebi: urgh...I hope he will make it right...the config is quite subtle 18:25 < Mike1> so why the is everyone is just naming the damn problems in stead of just going over to the code work on solving them, come on guys lets just stop pointing people, work hard to get 1.6 18:25 < huebi> The biggest problem is the crapy code of the scripts in 1.5. No comments, no documentation, no clean style in there. 18:26 < huebi> Mike1: 1.7 must be somewhat adictve 18:26 < armijn> ok, am off 18:26 * armijn gone 18:26 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has quit ("ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet?") 18:27 < fake> hi! 18:27 < huebi> moin fake 18:27 < Mike1> huebi: what do you mean? 18:28 < Mike1> hi fake 18:28 * fake is currently working _under_ 1.7.0-200207301331 *g* 18:28 < fake> KDE 3.0.2 with anti-aliased fonts, and lots of ugly eye-candy *g* 18:29 < huebi> Mike1: It's more fun to do something new than to first finish the old boring stuff. 18:29 < Mike1> huebi: i am working on both trees, but you know pretty well most of my work has been for 1.5 18:29 < huebi> fake: State of the art in 1.5 since weeks. 18:29 < Mike1> huebi: maybe its true, but some of us still care about the old stuff 18:29 < Mike1> right [anders]? 18:30 < fake> huebi: wa wa. 18:30 < [anders]> Mike1: would we make Gnome2 available for it if we didn't? :) 18:30 < huebi> Mike1: Yes, I know. But there are others who don't even want to answer questions about their crapy code. 18:30 < [anders]> at least there is a fighting chance to understand the build process in 1.5 18:30 < huebi> fake: hehe 18:30 < fake> huebi: i'm just curious because i never actually used it ;-) 18:31 < fake> and i also didn't think 1.7.0 would boot that easily 18:31 < fake> i want to test the new Update-System script 18:31 < Mike1> huebi: [anders] yeah maybe there is a lot of un-documented code, but hey i know pretty much how the build process work 18:31 * [anders] will probably carry on with 1.6.x long past 2.0 is released.. 18:31 * Mike1 too 18:32 * huebi too 18:32 < [anders]> I am still on 1.4.0 and I was pretty fscking tempted to stick with it and not move to even 1.5.x.. 18:32 < Mike1> so there is 3 of us who do give a shit about 1.5 18:32 < [anders]> New slogan "Rock 1.6, for the people who care!" 18:32 < huebi> I need/want sth reliable/stable/usable. 1.6.0 will be that. 18:33 < huebi> armijn and ripclaw also care about 1.5 18:33 < Mike1> huebi: [anders] i believe that one single person can make a difference, and as i said before there is 3 of us, even if no one else care we will make the differenc 18:33 < [anders]> 1.4.0 was that for me.. I have updated the odd things, and most notably Gnome to 1.4.0 and also installed Gnome2.. There is life in the old dog yet.. 18:33 < Mike1> +e 18:34 < Mike1> [anders]: ack 18:35 < [anders]> 1.5.x has more or less the same build system as 1.4, but it has been tidied up.. 18:35 < [anders]> I feel less dread moving to 1.5.x than 1.7.x 18:35 < huebi> I want 1.5 like LVM: Easy to understand with good error messages and full documentation 18:35 * fake started with 1.7 :-/ 18:35 * [anders] started with ROCK 1.3.9 18:35 < fake> but i use 1.5 ;-) 18:35 < Mike1> huebi: well that can be done 18:36 * [anders] still have the CD's I bought from Austria 18:36 * Mike1 will start with 1.2 this weekend 18:36 < Mike1> :) 18:36 < fake> [anders] i mean i started developing for 1.7 18:36 < fake> i use rock since 1.3.12 or something 18:37 < Mike1> huebi: i dont see any problem with documenting stuff i contribute on that, i already started to work around scripts/Internal 18:37 < huebi> I started to use rock 1.4.0 last year at this time. Then the CD was broken. So I started to build my own one. 18:37 < huebi> Mike1: great. More of that. 18:38 * [anders] wonders if the build scripts in 1.6 could be ported to Perl.. ;-) 18:38 < Mike1> [anders]: PLEASE! 18:39 < huebi> I fixed qt.conf today. Now there is very much docu in there. Easy to understand for everyone now. At least I hope so 18:39 < huebi> [anders]: NO. ;-) 18:39 < huebi> I like the bash scripts. Bash is easy and works everywhere. 18:39 < [anders]> Mike1/huebi: If the scripts are documented properly, I see no harm.. :-) 18:39 < Mike1> huebi: there are a few things i need to bug clifford with but please know i care about the docs as well as you do, and i am doing something about it 18:40 < Mike1> [anders]: ACK 18:40 < Mike1> :) 18:40 < [anders]> I agree, too much of the scripts are just calling various shell commands, no point in adding the overhead of Perl on that.. 18:41 < huebi> https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/qt/qt.conf?rev=1.14&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup <- my style. I want some comments, please 18:42 < huebi> 70% echo's and comments - but easy to understand. 18:43 * [anders] will start putting comments in the patches I do.. To explain them.. 18:43 < huebi> [anders]: That's great. 18:44 * [anders] been a bit lazy with that so far as the patches has been quite simple.. just tweaking a line here or there.. 18:44 < Mike1> huebi: mm... easy to understand, thought i am not really into adding that many echo 18:44 < Mike1> +s 18:44 < [anders]> when I do the mod to the build scripts to drop root privilegies when configuring and building packages, I will document that vividly.. 18:44 < Mike1> but i think i can live with that 18:44 < Mike1> nice work huebi 18:45 < Mike1> [anders]: BTW i really liked ur proposal about the sudo stuff 18:45 < huebi> [anders]: That's ok. But 400+ charaters long sed commands need much explanation about what they actually do. 18:47 < huebi> Mike1: I want to find quick the area where the build breaks. That's the only reason for these many echos. If something breaks after an update that makes bug hunting really comfotable. 18:47 < huebi> +r 18:48 < Mike1> <Mike1> nice work huebi 18:48 < huebi> Mike1: Thank you. ;-) 18:48 * Mike1 configuring a cisco router 4500 brb 18:49 < huebi> cu Mike1 18:49 * Mike1 here but working on another workspace 19:02 < [anders]> Mike1: ta, I have had more thought about that, and I will have to take a long good look at what is required to go the sudo path.. 19:03 < [anders]> If say 90% of the build can be run as rockbuild user and only the actual things that require root gets called via sudo, then the build becomes safer.. 19:03 < Mike1> [anders]: yes i know that but its a very cool idea 19:07 < [anders]> Mike1: I'll look at implementing that as well.. 19:07 * [anders] is noting that down on the to-do list that now is starting to get rather long.. 19:08 < Mike1> [anders]: perhaps lets include it in the TODO.private list :) 19:08 < Mike1> just after gnome2 19:08 < [anders]> Mike1: sure.. :) 19:13 < Mike1> huebi: i would you to tell me what scripts, procedures, docs, etc you would like me to document or improve, so i can add to my todo list 19:16 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-2-309.tin.it] has joined #rocklinux 19:18 < huebi> Mike1: You can take what you want. Preverable in the scripts directory. 19:19 < Mike1> huebi: ok my friend i will :) 19:19 < [anders]> ok, me going afk for a while.. got some testing left to do at work, then off home.. 19:19 < Mike1> but dont spect to see much/anything untill we merge private with current :) 19:19 < Mike1> [anders]: have fun see you later 19:20 < huebi> cu [anders] 19:20 < huebi> Mike1: ACK 19:20 < blindcoder> hi everyone 19:22 < fake> hu blindcoder 19:22 < blindcoder> whats up with localhero iso-archive? 19:23 < huebi> hi blindcoder 19:31 < blindcoder> is it down? 19:54 < Mike1> blindcoder: i guess, what do you need? 19:57 < blindcoder> a sparc32-iso 20:11 < Mike1> blindcoder: i havent upload mines there, anyone else upload one? 20:23 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-2-309.tin.it] has quit ("sera") 20:25 * Mike1 away for lunch 20:25 < huebi> cu Mike1 20:55 * Mike1 back 20:55 < Mike1> re 20:55 < huebi> hi Mike1 20:55 < Mike1> huebi: do you some nice images for posters or t-shirts related to rock? 20:56 < huebi> i'm fixing all the .conf files for the new makeopt="$makeopt -j1" at the moment. Many things now work without it. 20:57 < huebi> Mike1: Sorry, I havn't. But I though about making T-shirts. 20:57 < Mike1> huebi: very nice 20:58 < Mike1> huebi: i thought of making posters, t-shirts and cups for coffee :) ( and sent some of them to owl) 21:00 < huebi> hihi. I think owl is not in the best mood concerning men. Next week I am in Vienna. I'll see what we can do. 21:00 < Mike1> huebi: sure 21:02 < Mike1> By the a will truely make the cups of coffee maybe with the official ROCK logo in one side and the Developer name in the other 21:03 < Mike1> also would be a good to make it to add it as something else to sell in the rock shop 21:09 -!- WKaibigan [~Aloicious@ACBADC43.ipt.aol.com] has joined #rocklinux 21:10 < Mike1> hi WKaibigan 21:10 < WKaibigan> This may be of interest https://www.pcengines.com/cflash.htm 21:10 < WKaibigan> Hi Mike1 21:11 < huebi> hi WKaibigan 21:11 < WKaibigan> Hi huebi. 21:17 < Mike1> [anders]: still around here? 22:14 -!- kvak|uninvited [uninvited@p50802B12.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:14 < kvak|uninvited> Rock around the clock every1 ! Hello ! 22:14 < Mike1> kvak|uninvited: hi 22:14 < kvak|uninvited> anyone got a good beginner tutorial on programming C ? 22:15 < Mike1> C programing Howto? 22:15 < Mike1> www.linuxdocs.org 22:16 < kvak|uninvited> i ll try this out. Have to change an existing source... 22:17 < kvak|uninvited> thx 22:17 < Mike1> welcome 22:26 < [anders]> Mike1: now I am.. 22:26 < Mike1> re [anders] 22:26 < Mike1> :) 22:27 * [anders] has just been and dropped the gf off at the pub.. her mates are arranging a pub-night as a birthday present for her.. 22:27 < Mike1> [anders]: Are you still working on the UML stuff? 22:28 -!- snyke [snyke@happypenguin.org] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 22:29 < [anders]> Mike1: not very much no.. Never really got anywhere with that.. How did you find that by the way? :) 22:30 < Mike1> hanging around the rock pages 22:30 < Mike1> :) 22:30 < Mike1> [anders]: i was looking forward to know more about it i dont have very clear what it is but i am interested :) 22:30 < [anders]> hehehe.. it was a good while since Clifford and I talked about that... 22:31 < [anders]> Essentially, UML is running the linux kernel as a process in userspace.. 22:31 < Mike1> i see .. 22:31 < Mike1> and why did you drop the project? 22:31 < [anders]> so you point your linux kernel executable at a filesystem with an installed linux OS and viola, you have a virtual machine... 22:32 < [anders]> Mike1: time... I just did not have the time and the hardware to carry on testing things.. UML is still fairly unstable.. 22:32 < [anders]> All I had to work on was my laptop and I use that work work as well.. No laptop, no work done, no money to pay bills.. :-/ 22:33 < [anders]> s/work work/for work/ 22:33 < Mike1> i see 22:33 < Mike1> got some papers/notes of where you stopped? 22:33 < [anders]> And now I have two machines and still no time or hardware to play with it on.. 22:33 < [anders]> Mike1: all in my head more or less.. 22:33 < Mike1> :( 22:33 * Mike1 has the hardware and maybe the time 22:34 < Mike1> not the knowledge though :( 22:34 < [anders]> I had an idea about what to do, some stuff should be on the webpages and some in the mailing list.. 22:34 < Mike1> i will browse what i can 22:34 < Mike1> :) 22:35 < [anders]> It is something I might pick up when I have finished some of the other projects that are on the go.. currently ROCK 1.6.0/1.6.1 are at the forefront of my mind.. 22:35 -!- huebi [huebi@80.65.32.85] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 22:35 < Mike1> hehe yes of course 22:36 * Mike1 on the phone mom 22:38 -!- huebi [huebi@80.65.32.85] has joined #rocklinux 22:39 < huebi> re 22:43 < Mike1> re huebi 22:44 -!- huebi [huebi@80.65.32.85] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 22:44 -!- huebi [huebi@rocklinux.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:44 < Mike1> re huebi :) 22:44 < huebi> re Mike1 22:53 < huebi> ok bzip2 is fixed now.. 22:57 < blindcoder> oh boy 22:57 < blindcoder> debian 3.0 on sparc seems... a little bit buggy 22:58 < blindcoder> just installed a standard system... 22:58 < blindcoder> booting was tricky but then the kernel was searching for root-on-NFS 22:58 < blindcoder> d'ouh 22:59 < blindcoder> well... I'm going home 22:59 < blindcoder> bye 22:59 < huebi> cu blindcoder 23:07 * [anders] grumbles... a kde package broke.. and the suspicion is that this has got something to do with $MAKE expanding to 'make -j2'.... 23:07 < [anders]> huebi: is the MAKE + MAKEOPT change complete in the 1.5.17 build scripts? 23:07 < huebi> [anders]: Yes. 23:08 < huebi> use make "$makeopt -j1" 23:09 < [anders]> ok.. i'm pulling cvs and will patch in the tree.. so in the .conf for a package, I should replace MAKE=blahblah with MAKEOPT="$MAKEOPT -j1" instead..? 23:10 < huebi> [anders]: MAKE=blahblah with make "$makeopt -j1" 23:11 < huebi> [anders]: I'm fixing here too 23:12 < [anders]> huebi: I just noticed that you are tweaking .conf's.... :) 23:12 * [anders] reading a rather large unified diff at the moment.. 23:12 < huebi> I commit the first chunk. 23:12 < huebi> mom 23:14 < huebi> [anders]: have a look at the changelog 23:14 < [anders]> ok.. :) 23:15 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@212.116.24.1] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23:15 -!- owl [~mail-spam@B55c0.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 23:15 < owl> hi 23:15 < huebi> huhu owl 23:16 < [anders]> moin Sandra 23:16 < Mike1> huebi: i already define properly the rock logos and ideas for the cups of coffee 23:16 < Mike1> they will look great :) 23:16 < owl> haha :P 23:17 < Mike1> owl: i will sent you one if you like 23:17 * [anders] noticed today that he has slipped in to the top10 on the irc stats.. 23:18 < Mike1> [anders]: nice 23:18 < [anders]> only about 14,000 lines behind all-time master huebi.. :) 23:20 < Mike1> [anders]: got experience with diskless ? 23:20 < Mike1> even running X on diskless boxes 23:20 < Mike1> ? 23:21 < [anders]> Mike1: no, but when I have the space, I'll get a few mini-ITX boards in small cases and have a play.. :) 23:21 < [anders]> Mike1: use bootp and tftp to load the kernel and the initrd and that is about it.. 23:22 < [anders]> if the initrd is configured correctly (and here dietlibc comes in handy) you can have X etc in about 8-10MB.. If you want a firewall, 4MB initrd is well adequate.. 23:23 < [anders]> And since the box is diskless and use /tmp+/var as ramdisk, it can be hacked and all you need to do is fix the initrd to block that hole and then hit the reset button on the diskless box. Problem solved.. 23:25 < [anders]> the old IBM X-Stations was like that.. they usually had 8MB RAM, (sometimes less), and they basically loaded X and only showed you the display, everything else ran on the box they XDMCP'd against.. 23:26 < Mike1> [anders]: i see 23:26 < [anders]> which is another good way to do it. you either want to only show a display (i.e. the gfx) on a box, or you wanna skip X and run services of sorts on the diskless box.. 23:26 < Mike1> [anders]: wanna set up a 15 boxes lab all of them diskless 23:27 < huebi> Stage 1 builds again. ;-) 23:29 < [anders]> Mike1: you probably want to only load X on them and use XDMCP against one single beefy server.. 23:30 < Mike1> ? 23:30 < [anders]> Mike1: that way you only need 64MB ram, a Pentium 200MHz and a network card in the clients.. 23:31 < Mike1> the clients are Celeroms 750mhz, 128ram and do have a network card 23:31 < Mike1> and a video card of course:) 23:31 < [anders]> Mike1: one server, 1GB RAM, plenty disk, perhaps even a dual CPU box.. like a dual P-III 1GHz.. 23:32 < Mike1> dual k7 even? 23:32 < Mike1> :) 23:32 < [anders]> Mike1: then 15 Clients, no disk, slow CPU (if all you do is show gfx, you don't need hugely fast CPU) 23:32 < Mike1> [anders]: i know 23:32 < Mike1> but my friend bought them like that 23:33 < [anders]> Well, hmm.. I suppose you could make a diskless Beowulf out of them.. ;-) 23:33 < Mike1> personally i wouldnt buy something higher than 486 for diskless 23:33 < [anders]> Mike1: I'd try and get hold of a P200 or similar.. That's decent.. 23:33 < Mike1> :P 23:34 < [anders]> but what I probably will end up doing is getting the miniITX boards.. (lemme try and dig out a URL..) 23:34 < Mike1> ja please 23:34 < Mike1> s/ja/da 23:34 < Mike1> all information is more than welcome 23:35 < [anders]> https://www.via.com.tw/en/VInternet/mini_itx.jsp 23:36 < [anders]> https://www.mini-itx.com/ 23:37 < [anders]> https://www.via.com.tw/en/VInternet/images/VIAVT6009iTXreference.jpg 23:37 < [anders]> this board is 17x17cm big.. :) 23:37 < Mike1> :) 23:38 < [anders]> you could probably cram in about 10 of these boards in the same space and your average ATX midi-tower... ;-) 23:39 < Mike1> [anders]: this way cool :) 23:39 < [anders]> Mike1: apperantly you can get these boards for under £100 in UK.. including VAT and shipping.. :-D 23:41 < Mike1> for real? 23:41 < Mike1> cool 23:43 < [anders]> I'll probably wait until they come in a little case etc ready to just attach screen/serial + eth + power for that price.. Then they will be way cool.. :) 23:43 < [anders]> 128MB RAM in these little boards makes quite good firewalls.. 23:43 < Mike1> [anders]: wouldnt it be better to just make ur own embeded project on it 23:44 < [anders]> if you stick 256MB in them, you can make beowulf clusters with them and do perhaps distributed computing.. 23:44 < Mike1> :) 23:44 < Mike1> rocked of course 23:44 < [anders]> Mike1: hehehehe.. well, I think we definately should try to backport dietlibc into ROCK 1.6.x for at least ia32... ;-) 23:45 < Mike1> who cares about flames lets add it to our TODO.private 23:45 < Mike1> so it was Gnome2 , then what was it? 23:45 < Mike1> i know there was something 23:46 < [anders]> uhm.. we were toying with the idea of dietlibc... 23:46 < Mike1> no but there was something else 23:46 < Mike1> mom i check logs 23:47 < [anders]> hmm.. I know I want to add a package for a static bash to go into /sbin for system maintenance.. (Yes, I know of sash, but bash is a little friendlier) 23:48 < Mike1> [anders]: ok i remembered we also had the sudo stuff 23:48 < [anders]> yes, that I will look at how to fix during the weekend.. 23:49 < Mike1> [anders]: so 3rd task is dietlibc 23:49 < Mike1> and 4th UML and Router subdist :) 23:50 < [anders]> hehehe.. the UML thing will be a lot easier to do now when they already have a maintenance console tool in the UML distribution.. :) 23:50 < Mike1> so lets go for it 23:50 < Mike1> :) 23:50 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-2-143.tin.it] has joined #rocklinux 23:50 < Mike1> hi plfiorini 23:50 < plfiorini> hi Mike1 23:51 < owl> hi 23:51 < [anders]> Mike1: sure.. :) the UML subdist can wait for more important things.. We also want to port from dRock the facility to install from two or three CD's... 23:51 < Mike1> oh ja 23:52 < Mike1> drocks firewall script looks would be interesting too 23:52 < Mike1> and the init scripts 23:52 * [anders] thinks gnome and kde should probably be shifted off to a second CD... then you have the desktop env CD and you have 'base + all the other stuff' CD.. :) 23:52 < [anders]> Mike1: just include FWBuilder as a package... ;-) 23:54 < [anders]> Mike1: just rsyncing up the private tree now.. Will merge in the rest of huebi's CVS fixes later.. I'll go hunt for the MAKE=whatever in the .confs now.. 23:55 < Mike1> [anders]: good 23:56 < [anders]> huebi: would just a single large patch be ok if all it fixes are the change from MAKE= to makeopt= in the .conf files? 23:56 < huebi> [anders]: jo 23:57 < [anders]> huebi: and how far have you got with it? :) 23:57 < huebi> oot@zeus:/mnt/disk/rock-linux# ls dist/var/adm/logs/ 23:57 < huebi> . 1-e2fsprogs.log 1-gzip.log 1-pdksh.log 1-util-linux.log 23:57 < huebi> .. 1-fileutils.log 1-kiss.log 1-readline.log 1-wget.log 23:57 < huebi> 1-00-dirtree.log 1-findutils.log 1-linux-header.log 1-sed.log 2-bin86.err 23:57 < huebi> 1-autoconf.log 1-flex.log 1-linux-src.log 1-sh-utils.log 2-binutils.log 23:57 < huebi> 1-bash.log 1-gawk.log 1-m4.log 1-sysfiles.log 2-gcc.log 23:57 < huebi> 1-binutils.log 1-gcc.log 1-make.log 1-sysvinit.log 2-sparc-utils.log 23:57 < huebi> 1-bison.log 1-gettext.log 1-mmv.log 1-tar.log 23:57 < huebi> 1-bzip2.log 1-glibc.log 1-net-tools.log 1-termcap.log 23:57 < huebi> 1-diffutils.log 1-grep.log 1-patch.log 1-textutils.log 23:57 < huebi> these are fixed 23:58 < Mike1> funny thing my workstation is named zeus --- Log closed Sat Aug 03 00:00:29 2002