--- Log opened Sat Aug 03 00:00:29 2002
--- Day changed Sat Aug 03 2002
00:00 * [anders] uses the hostnames alien, mirage, inspiron, quetzalcoatl and now latest, shuttle...
00:01 < [anders]> huebi: are they in CVS or just in your private tree ?
00:01 < huebi> bin86/bin86.conf bzip2/makefile.patch gcc/gcc.conf <- these are not in cvs
00:02 < [anders]> huebi: ok.. :)
00:02 < huebi> main_bzip2() {
00:02 < huebi>         rm -f $root/usr/bin/bz*
00:02 < huebi>         make "$makeopt"
00:02 < huebi>         make "$makeopt" install PREFIX=$root USRPREFIX=$root/usr
00:02 < huebi>         mkdir -p $root/usr/share/doc/packages/bzip2
00:02 < huebi>         cp -v manual* bzip2.txt $root/usr/share/doc/packages/bzip2/
00:03 < huebi> }
00:03 < huebi> custmain="main_bzip2"
00:03 < huebi> wrog window excuse me.
00:05 < Mike1> grr
00:06 < [anders]> hehehehe
00:07 * [anders] is hacking oneliner in shell that will do the replacing of all the MAKE="$MAKE -j1" occurances.. then I can give huebi the oneliner instead of sending a patch.. :-D
00:08 < huebi> It seams to be a little more difficult. Allso more packages now work with make -j16
00:10 < [anders]> hmm.. not as simple as that.. I have to go through each file by hand it seems.. some .conf's need tweaking elsewhere..
00:11 < [anders]> got to go fetch the gf from the pub now.. back later.. :)
00:12 < Mike1> [anders]: upload rsync?
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00:54 < huebi> cu Mike1
00:54 < Mike1> see you later guys
00:54 < Mike1> huebi: i am going to get the coffee cups printed now
00:54 < Mike1> i will get pics and send them to you :)
00:54 < Mike1> n8
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01:13 < owl> gn8
01:13 < huebi> cu
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01:28 < huebi> n8
01:34 < tomik> huebi: :)
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02:30 < esden> evening
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03:12 < esden> re Freak 
03:13 < Freak> re
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03:40 < Sirkull> I keep getting this error when bulding 1.7.0 after stage 1: "Building tools.chroot/wrapper/cc-wrapper.   cc: installation problem, cannot exec `cpp0': No such file or director".  I am running glibc 2.2.5.  Any suggestions on getting this to compile?
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06:36 < huebi> moin
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08:10 < plfiorini> wow 2.4.19 is out
08:10 < huebi> plfiorini: hi
08:10 < huebi> great
08:10 < plfiorini> hi huebi
08:10 < plfiorini> i am happy
08:10 * plfiorini still needs a 700mb cdr for rock
08:12 < huebi> plfiorini: That will change in the near future. In the moment I have to fix the whole build system. After that I get out some of the documentation (RFC and XFree86). then it should be small enough again for 650MB
08:12 < plfiorini> hehe well
08:12 < huebi> and no unpacked kernel sources, too
08:49 -!- plfiorini is now known as plfiorini|a
08:54 < huebi> Stage 2 is now co,pletly reviewed and works again, too
08:55 < huebi> 73 packages ;-)
08:57 -!- plfiorini|a is now known as plfiorini
08:57 < plfiorini> good
09:02 * huebi fetching new kernel...
09:09 * plfiorini go to bed
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09:37 < huebi> now make -j16 works, too. No load of about 350 while building the kernel ;-)
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10:02 < huebi> hi plfiorini Awake again?
10:02 < plfiorini> hi huebi
10:02 < plfiorini> hhe
10:02 < plfiorini> here's 10 AM
10:02 < plfiorini> i went to bed because i slept about 4 hours
10:02 < huebi> here too
10:03 < plfiorini> are you DE?
10:03 < plfiorini> in DE
10:03 < huebi> yes. I am. 50km in the south of Frankfurt
10:03 < plfiorini> good
10:03 < plfiorini> same time zone
10:04 < huebi> ACK
10:04 < plfiorini> i need a good gnome app to check logs
10:04 * plfiorini writes it
10:05 < plfiorini> huebi: do you use kde, gnome or plain console?
10:07 < huebi> plfiorini: I use KDE. I like the style of Kde. But I mainly use it to get all the consoles open ;-)
10:07 < plfiorini> huebi: i'd prefer gnome and the new terminal with antialiased fonts, and tabs like kde does since 2.x
10:08 < huebi> also KDE is xinerama aware. Gnome 1.4 officially not
10:09 < huebi> though I got it running with xinerama
10:09 < plfiorini> i don't meant xinerama, but terminal with tabs
10:09 < plfiorini> i don't know how gnome or kde support xinerama, because i have only 1 display :)
10:10 < huebi> <- 4800x1200
10:10 < plfiorini> god
10:10 < plfiorini> hehe 1024x768 is good for me :)
10:11 < huebi> I had that on the notebook. And I used to work as a CAD designer about 5 years ago. Now the display does not get any smaller anymore
10:11 < plfiorini> wow
10:12 < plfiorini> but there's a good cad on linux?
10:12 < huebi> it was CATIA on AIX
10:13 < plfiorini> argh! aix
10:13 < plfiorini> i hope there will be a good cad, i don't care much because i don't use cads but we needs a killer app
10:14 < huebi> AIX is much better than Windows. That was the reason I switched the company
10:14 < plfiorini> the unix i saw are only linux and hurd
10:15 < plfiorini> i like hurd because it uses a microkernel
10:15 < plfiorini> linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2:              ETA:  14:39    0,16/ 24,84 MB   28,73 kB/s
10:16 < huebi> the commercial ones have also some nice features.
10:17 < plfiorini> yeah, features that linux has taken from commercial ones
10:17 < plfiorini> like the new journaled file systems, as jfs or xfs
10:17 < plfiorini> devfs
10:18 < huebi> ACK. And these features are way better implemented because they stared where the commercials stopped.
10:18 < plfiorini> oh yes
10:19 < huebi> Here a screenshot of Gnome 1.4 with buggy Xinerama: http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/files/xinerama.jpeg
10:21 < huebi> The right 3rd works fine, too. But on the screenshot it looks buggy.
10:21 < plfiorini> hrm
10:21 < plfiorini> i hope g2.2 will fix it
10:24 < huebi> gnome2 has fixed it IIR
10:24 < huebi> C
10:24 < plfiorini> oh great
10:24 < plfiorini> gnome2.2 should fix some things
10:24 < plfiorini> i started a list of what i hate on g2.0
10:25 < plfiorini> i would want to use vte for xchat
10:25 < plfiorini> i think vte works better than xtext (or how it's caleld)
10:25 < plfiorini> called
10:27 < huebi> I use irssi
10:27 < plfiorini> i saw ;)
10:27 < plfiorini> i'd prefer a gui client
10:33 < huebi> I like to have it running in a screen session. When I reboot I have no problem to see what happened since then.
10:35 < huebi> 121 packages are fixed now.
10:38 < huebi> 122
10:41 < plfiorini> well
10:41 < huebi> 123
10:43 < plfiorini> i must buy a virgin cdr
10:45 < huebi> plfiorini: what do you mean?
10:46 < plfiorini> huebi: i must buy a virgin cdr, so I'll write the iso of rock
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10:57 < huebi> 124
10:57 < huebi> moin snyke
10:58 < snyke> moin
11:00 < huebi> snyke: 2.4.19 is out (and in 1.5.17 now)
11:05 < plfiorini> huebi: 2.4.19 compiled :)
11:05 < huebi> plfiorini: here too
11:06 < huebi> 125
11:07 < huebi> 130
11:07 < huebi> 132
11:10 < huebi> 136
11:10 < snyke> where?
11:10 < snyke> what?
11:10 < snyke> how?
11:10 < snyke> why?
11:10 < snyke> ah
11:10 < snyke> Kernel?
11:10 < huebi> how: ftp PUT ;-)
11:10 < snyke> :)
11:11 * snyke is kein Rocklinux-Mensch(?)
11:11 < snyke> ;o)
11:11 < huebi> 138
11:13 < huebi> snyke: ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2
11:13 * snyke @ 4.6-STABLE :)
11:13 < snyke> argh
11:13 < snyke> was will ich mit nem linux kernel auf FreeBSD ?! :) lol
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11:16 < huebi> snyke: Lernen, wie es richtig geht *g*
11:16 < snyke> noeee
11:16 < huebi> *LOL*
11:16 < snyke> :)
11:16 < snyke> ich bleib da wo ich bin
11:16 < snyke> jedem das seine ;)
11:16 < snyke> .oO( mir das meisste HRHR )
11:16 < huebi> snyke: ACK.
11:16 < snyke> joke
11:17 * snyke war gestern mit dem Esdi unterwegs
11:17 < snyke> hoert der gerade zu?
11:17 < snyke> *esdiping*
11:18 < huebi> snyke: Der ist bestimmt noch am Matratze abhorchen...
11:20 < huebi> 146 packages fixed
11:26 < huebi> 152
11:26 < snyke> hmm
11:26 < snyke> gut
11:26 < snyke> obwohl
11:26 < snyke> um gottes willen nein :)
11:26 < snyke> der tut bestimmt Logs lesen
11:34 < huebi> 156
11:35 < snyke> schoen
11:35 < huebi> jo, geht recht schnell
11:37 < huebi> macht Spass...
11:44 < huebi> hmm. Die Sonne knallt und die Voegel bruellen - eigendlich viel zu laut zum schlafen.
11:49 < huebi> 162
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12:25 < plfiorini> re
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12:47 < huebi> 169
12:49 < huebi> 173
12:53 < huebi> 176
12:55 < esden> re hi all
12:56 < esden> hi huebi 
12:58 < huebi> hallo esden
12:58 < huebi> esden: die umstellung auf make $makeopt kommt gut vorran.
12:59 < esden> makeopt ... was wird dass ?
12:59 < huebi> ersatz fuer $MAKE. <- Das kann nicht funktionieren.
13:00 < esden> hmm ... ja das ist eine variable die von make gesetzt wird ...
13:00 < hackbard> moin
13:00 < esden> hi hackbard 
13:00 < huebi> moin hackbard
13:00 < hackbard> und dann einfach wie confopt in den .conf dateine definieren?
13:01 < huebi> esden: nein, eine Variable, die von make ausgewertet wird. Und genau das ist das problem.
13:01 < huebi> hackbard: jo,
13:02 < esden> aja ... ok
13:02 < hackbard> cool
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13:02 < esden> re plfiorini 
13:02 < esden> oder besser hi ...
13:02 < plfiorini> re
13:02 < huebi> so einige Programme funktionieren jetzt wieder einwandfrei mit make -j16
13:02 < plfiorini> hi esden
13:05 < huebi> netpbm 10.6 does not compile...
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13:17 < bluefire> Moin moin
13:18 < huebi> hi bluefire
13:25 < huebi> 183
13:28 < huebi> argh. qt just started. needs again 40 mins or so.
13:29 < SMP> someone imported the fix for the glibc PRC code overflow already?
13:29 < huebi> not me.
13:30 < huebi> SMP: can you do that for 1.5.17?
13:31 < esden> hi SMP 
13:31 * -> esden not
13:33 < SMP> I don't feel qualified enough .. but before someone else fucks up, I'll try ;)
13:33 < huebi> SMP: kool. Thank you.
13:33 < SMP> first polish up openssh a bit..
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13:47 < blindcoder> hi all
13:48 < esden> hi blindcoder 
13:48 < huebi> moin blindcoder
13:48 < esden> blindcoder: wirst im bitz vorbeikommen ?
13:48 < huebi> esden: Did you test the disk?
13:49 < blindcoder> esden: sure thing, do you have a Sparc Iso lying around?
13:49 < blindcoder> and has zero brought the 2Gig Disk?
13:49 < esden> hubi: no ... when ... ?
13:49 < esden> blindcoder: no sorry ...
13:49 < blindcoder> shit... then it's debian or solaris
13:49 < huebi> today between 3h and 4h in the morning. When else? *g*
13:50 < esden> yea sure
13:50 < blindcoder> and localheros site is still down >_<
13:51 < blindcoder> esden> should I bring crazyhorse so we can watch some anime?
13:51 < huebi> gvim is quite nice to use...
13:52 < esden> hmm ... whenn will you be here ?
13:52 < blindcoder> 10 - 15 minutes
13:52 < th> huebi: and evim is even easy to use ;)
13:52 < blindcoder> depends on traffic
13:52 < esden> I do not know how long I will stay here ... :-(
13:52 < th> moin btw
13:52 < huebi> moin th
13:52 * th faehrt heut nach berlin
13:52 < esden> blindcoder: if you whish you can take it with you ...
13:53 < blindcoder> esden: okay, see you
13:53 < esden> cu
13:53 < esden> hi th 
13:53 < esden> th: mate holen oder ?
13:53 < th> esden: nein
13:53 < [anders]_> *g* 2.4.19-rc5 was released as 2.4.19 with no changes.. Uhm, I am running 2.4.19-rc5-ac1....
13:53 < th> www.city-nacht.de
13:54 < huebi> moin [anders]_
13:54 < [anders]_> moin huebi
13:54 -!- [anders]_ is now known as [anders]
13:54 < esden> [anders]_: so you have a newer kernel then the official ;-)
13:54 < esden> th: aso ...
13:54 < [anders]> esden: indeed.. as of yesterday actually.. :)
13:55 < esden> [anders]: hehe ;-)
13:55 * [anders] will keep an eye open for further -ac patches to 2.4.19-rc5.. Alan Cox's patches has always been good to me.. :)
13:55 < th> ge0rg is aber gerade in bayern unten und wird mate hochbringen
13:57 * huebi made a BIG update in cvs
13:58 < [anders]> huebi: so you think I should grab it then.. :)
13:59 < huebi> [anders]: Yes. but update before qt is finished.
14:00 < [anders]> huebi: how do you mean, before qt is finished?
14:01 < huebi> I testet all configs till qt.
14:02 < huebi> So stage 1,2 and 3 till qt should work now.
14:05 < [anders]> but at qt it will fail?
14:06 * [anders] is looking at the patches realising that stage 1+2 will need to be rebuilt now..
14:07 < huebi> [anders]: qt will finish in about 10 minutes... I still don't know if it failes but it looks good
14:08 < [anders]> huebi: ah, okay.. I thought you ment that qt would fail.. :-) What I found yesterday was that qt would work, but later on in the kde packages something (can't remember what) would fail..
14:09 < huebi> [anders]: I found some errors in the kde confs. It must have failed
14:10 < [anders]> huebi: ok.. you fixed them yes?
14:10 * [anders] waiting for kernel 2.4.19 to download now..
14:11 < SMP> arrgh
14:12 < huebi> [anders]: I fixed nay things. But I did not test them all till now.
14:12 * SMP slaps tsa on the head with a heavy UNIX manual
14:14 < huebi> qt did work
14:14 < th> ...but lacks static libs ;)
14:15 < th> (i suppose)
14:16 < huebi> th ACK. It needed 46 mins for the non-static stuff.
14:17 < [anders]> huebi: uhm.. you'll need to update bin86 again.. it's version 0.16.7 that is available on his page now..
14:18 * huebi made the last big update now in cvs.
14:18 < huebi> [anders]: well faster than I ever thought.
14:19 < huebi> gimp failed
14:24 < [anders]> ok..
14:25 < SMP> ok, openssh.conf plays really nice now
14:25 * [anders] is now building stage 1+2 again to make a new dist archive..
14:26 < [anders]> well, that failed faster than lightning..
14:26 < [anders]> > Applying '/rock-build/misc/linux/01-2.4.18-rc4.patch'...
14:26 < [anders]> > 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file Makefile.rej
14:26 < huebi> [anders]: just delete it
14:26 < [anders]> huebi: ok..
14:27 < huebi> [anders]: now it's fixed in cvs
14:28 * [anders] is downloading CVS again to patch up the kernel bits..
14:28 < huebi> "cvs up -dP"
14:29 < [anders]> huebi: dcc'ing you the updated bin86.pz (works, I have tested it..)
14:30 < huebi> thank you
14:30 < [anders]> huebi: nemas problemo... :)
14:36 < huebi> gimp is fixed
14:38 < [anders]> ok.. /me is building stage 1+2 again.. it's on glibc now.. Will detail later what happens.. Time to get ready to go the shops..
14:39 < huebi> good idea. I need sth to eat.
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15:36 < huebi> 236 pkgs now build again.
15:52 < th> auf nach berlin
15:52 < th> bis spaeter
15:52 < huebi> th viel Spass
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16:04 < netcrow> hi
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17:04 < owl> hi
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18:29 < rxr_away_> re
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18:33 < rxr> someone here?
18:38 < owl> hi rxr
18:43 < rxr> a hi
18:45 < rxr> I'm back from holiday - but I leave again in a few minutes ...
18:57 < blindcoder> g'evening
18:57 < owl> moin blindcoder
19:06 < huebi> moin owl
19:06 < owl> moin huebi. gerade aus dem sarg gestiegen.? ;)
19:07 < huebi> owl: Wieso? Du hast doch gar keinen Kaffee gekocht. *gg*
19:07 < rxr> hi huebi. /me back - and away again, in some minutes ....
19:08 < owl> huebi: jo. noch ned. ;PPP aber du scheinst ja tot gewesen zu sein. genau wie der gesamte channel ;PPP
19:08 * blindcoder killing a SparcStation 20 with a ROCK compile >:->
19:16 * rxr away again
19:16 < rxr> aber diesmal mit i-net ...
19:16 < huebi> cu rxr
19:16 < rxr> cu online - next week ...
19:16 < rxr> cu huebi
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19:49 < huebi> install path of gdbm is fixed now. Needed a patch
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19:58 < huebi> gdbm is now cleaned up.
20:06 < huebi> sawfish and tetex fixed
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20:14 < huebi> hi thalerim
20:14 < huebi> how are you?
20:14 < thalerim> Ave, Adherent of the obscure Mathilda Clan Cult!
20:15 < thalerim> eh well, two weeks vacation in denmark ... so actually fine
20:15 < huebi> Nice to hear that.
20:16 < thalerim> I've read rene is on the way over denmark either
20:16 < huebi>  ________________
20:16 < huebi> < Hello Thalerim >
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20:16 < thalerim> brb
20:19 < huebi> 262 packages are fixed now.
20:24 < thalerim> re
20:24 < thalerim> sorry, i we're still unpacking
20:24 * thalerim saltutates!
20:25 * thalerim salutes!
20:25 < thalerim> oh, there must be the typo ghost around *shake*
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20:27 < thaly|asterix> "Asterix bei den Briten" rocks!
20:28 < huebi> jo
20:28 < thaly|asterix> still no tv?
20:28 < huebi> noe
20:31 < thaly|asterix> tomorrow or so I will create a matrix-tarball with the console-diff (for normal vga and framebuffer), and matrix-screensaver ... will inform you, you may want to implant into rocklinux however ;-)
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20:53 < Mike1> hi all
20:53 < huebi> moin Mike1
20:53 < Freak> have a look at this: http://linuid.dhis.org/~freak/guckmal/screenshots/20020803_20.44.jpg?width=800
20:53 < Freak> btw hi Mike1
20:54 < Mike1> huebi: i now got my unofical ROCK Linux Coffee Cup :))
20:54 < Mike1> hallo Freak
20:55 < huebi> Freak: looks very nice.
20:56 < Freak> heh :)
20:56 < Freak> I was so proud having gotten quicktime to run :)
20:57 < owl> hi Mike1
20:57 < Mike1> hi owl
21:00 < huebi> Mike1: Have you a photo of the "Costa Rica ROCK Linux Cup"
21:00 < huebi> ?
21:02 < Mike1> not yet
21:02 < Mike1> well take it in a bit
21:02 < Mike1> :)
21:08 < fake> hi
21:08 < huebi> hi fake
21:11 < fake> hi huebi
21:12 < thaly|asterix> hi Mike1, fake ... how's business?
21:12 < fake> huebi: you will drive over to cliff on 07 Aug, right?
21:13 < huebi> fake: ACK. Do you want to be picked up by me?
21:13 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-2-326.tin.it] has joined #rocklinux
21:13 < blindcoder> g'evening again
21:13 < fake> huebi: if you by chance come by munich/ingolstadt... 1 day is a bitshort
21:13 < thaly|asterix> moin plfiorini
21:13 < plfiorini> hi all
21:13 < thaly|asterix> re blindcoder
21:13 < huebi> fake: ok. I can arrage that.
21:14 < huebi> +n
21:14 * huebi on the phone
21:14 < fake> huebi: great, thanks!
21:14 < blindcoder> fake: the SS20 only has 1 processor, but 3 SCSI (2xwide, 1xuwide) and 3 ethernet(2x100, 1x10 TP)
21:14 < owl> hi fake
21:15 < fake> blindcoder: oh well, you could try to get a 2nd processor
21:17 < blindcoder> fake: you bet, I will
21:35 * thaly|asterix sets mode +idle
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22:03 * Mike1 rebooting brb
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22:07 * fake ist deprimiert
22:08 < thaly|asterix> :-(
22:08 -!- thaly|asterix is now known as thalerim
22:08 < fake> fsck js
22:08 < huebi> fake: What's up?
22:09 < fake> huebi: i wanted to start hacking the fb today
22:09 < fake> but after i set everything up - serial console, etc - i noticed that i can't load the fb as module
22:09 < fake> >_<
22:09 < thalerim> fb?
22:10 < fake> framebuffer
22:10 < huebi> thalerim: framebuffer
22:10 < thalerim> i thought it, but wasn't sure ;)
22:10 < bluefire> good night
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22:11 < thalerim> well ... 2.5.30 won't work here even
22:11 < thalerim> very odd that all
22:11 < fake> and still no gcc-3.2
22:11 < thalerim> i think i must reinstall ... depmod got crazy as well as some symlinks or so
22:12 < thalerim> in 2.5.30 first a devfs part in fs/partition/check.c wasn't right, after comparing the code with 2.5.25-htree I added three letters and it compiles now
22:12 < thalerim> (there was a pointer as an index for an array *hurgs*)
22:12 < thalerim> i thought it's just a typo
22:13 < thalerim> ... but depmod complains unresolved symbols ... devfs_find_and_unregister in snd.o
22:13 < thalerim> this function is 100% in the kernel and an entry is in System.map as well as
22:13 < fake> thalerim:
22:13 < thalerim> I don't know what that message means exactly so ...
22:14 < fake> cat /proc/ksyms | grep dvfs
22:14 < fake> devfs
22:14 < thalerim> eh well, i did want try that, but the kernel won't boot
22:15 < fake> i don't have devfs_find* in 2.4.18 either
22:15 < thalerim> (if I choose some options which doesn't work with each other)
22:15 < thalerim> I should try the .config of 2.5.25-htree
22:15 < thalerim> fake: yes, it's new of /usr/src/linux/fs/devfs/base.c
22:16 < fake> ah.
22:16 < thalerim> s,of,in,
22:16 < thalerim> this function is used by other kernel parts as well, which compiled into the kernel ...
22:17 < thalerim> but i don't want to compile sound support into the kernel, this will enlarge the kernel size unnecessary
22:18 < thalerim> eh well ...
22:18 * thalerim is still waiting for this pizza, fuckin service ... they just won't come :-/
22:18 < thalerim> s,this,his,
22:24 < [anders]> good evening people...
22:25 < thalerim> by [anders]
22:25 < thalerim> bye [anders]
22:25 * [anders] is wondering what the hell it is that is breaking glibc this time around.. unless there has been mods to Build-All
22:25 < huebi> good morning [anders] ;-))
22:25 < thalerim> btw. i like sweden pretty more than denmark :-)
22:25 < [anders]> thalerim: /me not going, /me just arrived again.. :)
22:26 < owl> hi [anders]
22:26 < [anders]> hola huebi.. did you do any updates to Build-All previously today?
22:26 < [anders]> moin owl, wie gehts?
22:26 < [anders]> thalerim: Sweden is more varied naturewise than Denmark.. and larger.. :)
22:26 < owl> [anders]: i'm feeling fine, thx. and you?
22:27 < thalerim> [anders]: uhm ... erm ... well ... eh ... I am missing my daily pizza, so i am not that judicious at moment
22:27 < huebi> [anders]: http://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/scripts/Build-All.diff?r1=1.14&r2=1.15
22:28 < thalerim> [anders]: denmark sucks, the prices are *very* high and the service pretty sucks
22:28 < [anders]> owl: I'm alright as well.. waiting for the beer to cool down.. (Freezer is good for that..)
22:29 < huebi> [anders]: Only because owl doesn't serve coffee... *g*
22:29 < owl> [anders]: beer. ts. :P espresso is much better :PPP
22:29 < [anders]> thalerim: well, you are talking scandinavia.. service is usually quite good in sweden though..
22:29 < [anders]> owl: espresso at work in the week.. beer at the weekend at home..
22:29 < [anders]> huebi: ok, give me a sec..
22:29 < owl> huebi: yes, yes and finally: yes. i won't serve coffee ;P
22:30 < huebi> owl: Why the hell not?
22:30 < owl> [anders]: ts: ;)
22:30 < thalerim> [anders]: no, i talk about denmark precisely
22:30 < owl> huebi: without reasons.
22:30 < thalerim> 25% VAT ...
22:30 < owl> s,reasons, any reason
22:30 < fake> WOMEN
22:31 < fake> illogical
22:31 < [anders]> huebi: nothing in there that would make glibc break then..
22:31 < huebi> owl: I knew it. No logic reason behind it.
22:31 < thalerim> *gg*
22:31 < huebi> [anders]: ack
22:31 < owl> fake: yes! and i like it!
22:31 < huebi> owl can not think logic.
22:32 < owl> huebi: yeah, yeah, yeah.
22:32 < fake> and she doesn't even have a problem with that.
22:32 < huebi> fake: No, she has. hehe
22:32 < owl> huebi: there's a logic that you just can't understand.
22:33 < fake> owl: female logic is no logic
22:33 < huebi> fake: ACK
22:33 < owl> fake: why should i have a problem with it? i'm alive, i'm currently enjoying life, i'm using rock and i'm trying to code a little bit :) --> life = great ;) why should i have problems with something?
22:33 < [anders]> huebi: I'll have a play with the glibc.conf.. it breaks and I wonder what might have changed..
22:33 < fake> yes
22:33 < fake> why should you have problems with making coffee?
22:33 < owl> fake: man logic is no logic, too.
22:34 < owl> fake: cuz someone wants me to make coffee. force me to do smthg. --> forget it all
22:34 < fake> why?
22:34 < huebi> owl: What you say is not worth to even be a thesis what
22:35 < owl> fake: i'm really _hating_ to be forced by someone.
22:35 < fake> why?
22:35 < fake> give me a logical reason
22:35 < huebi> owl: You're never forced to do sth.
22:35 < thalerim> owl: you must pay taxes to the gov
22:35 < owl> fake: cuz i just make something i really want to do.
22:35 < fake> why?
22:35 < owl> fake: *argh*
22:36 < fake> so why don't you want to make coffee?
22:36 < huebi> 22:35 < owl> fake: *argh* <- No answers left. Brain empty
22:36 < fake> i still see no reason.
22:36 < thalerim> ow, i ringed
22:36 < huebi> fake: You can't because there is none
22:36 < thalerim> ow, it ringed
22:36 < owl> fake: you're man, you can't understand me :P
22:36 < thalerim> must be the pissa deliverer
22:36 < fake> it's easy. if you don't make coffee we will use some nice armor on you.
22:37 < fake> owl: you're a woman, you're insane by default
22:37 < owl> fake: yeah. and i love to be 1n54n3
22:38 < huebi> fake: hehe. This one I'd prefer: http://www.waffenhq.de/infanterie/desert-eagle.htm
22:38 < fake> *sigh*
22:38 < fake> i'll stick to my good ol' Springfield
22:38 < huebi> fake: naa
22:39 < owl> fake, huebi: whua. you have _real_ problems. ts.!
22:39 < fake> "Eine Mark VII mit 10" Lauf und aufmontiertem Zielfernrohr.
22:39 < fake> "
22:39 < fake> sw33t
22:39 -!- thalerim is now known as thaly|pizza
22:40 < owl> fake: but you can't use it ;P
22:41 < fake> owl: do you want me to try?
22:41 < owl> fake: not really.
22:41 -!- frederic [~hannes@pD95901C3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:44 < huebi> Mark XIX is even better. with cal. 50AE and 14" barrel
22:46 -!- h0h0 [~hoho@dhcp024-210-222-139.woh.rr.com] has joined #rocklinux
22:47 * fake owl ich sagte: ganz normal
22:47 < fake> muss ich es als topic setzen?
22:48 < thaly|pizza> http://www.linux-rtfm.de/
22:52 < [anders]> weapons?
22:52 < [anders]> mmmm
22:52 < huebi> [anders]: ACK
22:53 < [anders]> http://www.glock.at/g34.htm
22:54 < [anders]> Glock 34... Takes up to 19 rounds of 9mm ammunition and almost never misfires... One of the best handguns in the world..
22:55 < huebi> [anders]: The Desert Eagle .50AE is the most precise one, IMHO.
22:56 < owl> huebi: how did you test it?
22:56 < [anders]> huebi: for what? killing elephants? ;-)  no way you need .50 calibre unless you want to kill really really big things...
22:57 < [anders]> In fact, I'd like to see a Glock with a calibre of 6.5mm.. Now that is a professional calibre.. A good shot should be able to hit almost anything with that calibre.
22:58 < huebi> And then a barrel made of the new steel for camshafts of the 2004 Renault F1 engine... 2900 N/m^2
22:58 -!- thaly|pizza is now known as thalerim
22:58 < thalerim> re
22:58 < huebi> [anders]: No killing. Long distance shooting.
22:58 < [anders]> huebi: get a rifle..
22:58 < fake> the springfield '03
22:59 < fake> good ol' rifle
22:59 < huebi> http://users.intercomm.com/agw/nates50.html <- Would be an idea.
22:59 * thalerim pheers about the current conversation... are you guys going to shoot Mathilda ???
23:00 < [anders]> for elk, 9.3x57, for most other things a 30-06 and for misc things, a 20 gauge shotgun and a .222 rifle..
23:01 < huebi> My idea behind a big pistol is this high strength steel I can get. Also a small barrel is not that big problem to machine.
23:01 * fake reminds that owning a weapon is _very_ uncommon in germany
23:01 < fake> weapon as in gun
23:02 < [anders]> fake: I'd only own a handgun if I were in sweden and was active member of a handgun club..
23:02 < h0h0> like, 5 in 10 people own a gun?
23:02 < huebi> h0h0: 5 in 100
23:02 < [anders]> if I was an active hunter (again if living in sweden) I would probably keep the rifles at home..
23:02 < h0h0> heh
23:03 < fake> h0h0: maybe gas weapons, but no real guns
23:03 * h0h0 *would* have one, but most places don't seem to like selling to minors
23:03 < fake> i'm curious wether you can lend a gun for 5 minutes
23:04 < fake> i wouldn't be able to return it, though
23:04 < h0h0> if you have a background check
23:04 < huebi> h0h0: But in Germany it's really common to drive fast on the Autobahn.
23:04 < h0h0> haha
23:04 < h0h0> strange how the fastest and best made cars come from germany/italy
23:05 < huebi> italy: FIAT and Ferrari only produce crap.
23:05 < h0h0> fastest
23:09 < huebi> I've been working in the race business for many years. I had the luck to be able to test a BMW M3 set up for races in normal traffic. It needs sth very special to drive with 180 MPH in normal traffic without having an accident. That was a really big fun that car (till the first piston started to fail because of an injection problem)
23:10 < huebi> kdepim still failes.
23:11 * owl is away: shocking some relatives
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23:14 < Mike1> re
23:14 < huebi> hi Mike1
23:14 < Mike1> huebi: you are always here arent you?
23:15 < huebi> allmost always.
23:15 < [anders]> yo Mike1 .. How's things?
23:17 < Mike1> lo [anders] everything great thanks
23:17 < Mike1> how aboyut u?
23:18 < [anders]> working on gettin drunk... ;-)
23:18 < Mike1> huebi: is always to see the people i respect and care about saying hi even when i go and come back 1000 times a day
23:18 < Mike1> [anders]: and you are succeding?
23:19 < [anders]> Mike1: still working on it.. *g*
23:19 < Mike1> [anders]: have you uploaded ur lates tree? i will now get rid of genome 1.4 and move on to genome 2
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23:19 < huebi> [anders]: </AOL> Me too <AOL>
23:19 < Mike1> that ok with you?
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23:20 < [anders]> Mike1: go for it.. :)
23:20 < thalerim> huebi: what the hell is the meaning of this phrase you use usually ??
23:20 < Mike1> how come you guys start party without me?
23:21 < huebi> thalerim: </AOL> Me too <AOL> <-that phrase? "Ich auch!"
23:21 < thalerim> lol ... i don't mean the translation, i mean the <aol> tags .. .;-)
23:22 < [anders]> thalerim: you know the September that never ended ?
23:22 < thalerim> *???*
23:23 < [anders]> The september that never ended.. News groups tend to see a surge in use around september when all the new university students discover newsgroups..
23:23 < thalerim> aha
23:23 < [anders]> it tails off as the students gets used to news and start posting less regularly..
23:23 < [anders]> when AOL started.. news saw a surge but never a tail-off..
23:24 < [anders]> and the <AOL></AOL> thing is because AOL users would quote a whole 200 line message just to add Me too!! at the bottom..
23:25 < [anders]> (usually several of them would do it in sequence as well...)
23:25 < thalerim> ah ...
23:25 < [anders]> thalerim: does that answer the question? :)
23:25 < thalerim> yup ...
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23:32 < Mike1> Hola adrian
23:33 < adrian> hola miguel
23:33 < Mike1> adrian: te conosco?
23:33 < adrian> Mike1: claro
23:34 < adrian> Mike1: cual otro tico puede venir por etos lados?
23:34 < Mike1> [anders]: is our private tree updated with current cvs?
23:34 < Mike1> adrian = demian?
23:35 < adrian> yep, im testing a new connection from a friend PC, using 1.5.16
23:35 < [anders]> Mike1: no, not yet.. I'll do that now if you want.. :)
23:35 < adrian> mom
23:35 < thalerim> te conosco and claro i get :-)
23:35 < Mike1> [anders]: yes please i will do a lot of work on  the tree this weekend
23:35 < Mike1> adrian: so have fun,
23:36 < thalerim> venir == come, but the whole phrase "cual otro tico puede venir por etos lados?" ... mh
23:36 < Mike1> adrian: dile a tu amigo que se una al clan :)
23:36 < Mike1> thalerim: tico = popular way to say costarican in Costa Rica
23:37 < Mike1> thalerim: the whole sentence= Which other costarican would be around here
23:37 < Mike1> [anders]: let me know when you are done please
23:38 < Mike1> master huebi have you been able to build a clean rock-1.5.17 snap without a single package brake?
23:38 < [anders]> Mike1: done.
23:39 < [anders]> Mike1: unfortunately it breaks on glibc in stage 1.. and I have not been able to figure it out yet..
23:39 < huebi> Mike1: Not with the changes of th 2 last days. But I'm fixing it in the moment. kdepim and apmd still fail.
23:39 < Mike1> [anders]: mm... strange i will work on it
23:40 < [anders]> Mike1: I am looking at it as well.. Well, trying to anyway..
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23:41 < huebi> [anders]: I'm allmost through the build. I try it then again. perhaps I find out why it failes
23:41 < blindcoder> g'night everyone
23:41 < huebi> cu blindcoder
23:41 < Mike1> blindcoder: n8
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23:42 < huebi> Stage 4 is now reached.
23:42 < Mike1> huebi: i will compare it with my private tree (build almost weeks ago) but only vim failed
23:42 < Mike1> and i had already fixed it
23:42 < Mike1> thought i didnt include any kde stuff on it
23:43 < Mike1> [anders]: so we are updated?
23:43 < huebi> Mike1: have a look at vim.conf now. I found out that there are some example rc-files. Icopied them with the right name to the right place
23:44 < [anders]> huebi: ok.. looking forward to that. :)
23:44 < [anders]> Mike1: Oh yes.. :)
23:44 < Mike1> huebi: yes i have noticed that :)
23:45 < huebi> I put the RFC's in the extensions. 44MB is way too for the installation CD
23:45 < Mike1> [anders]: ok i will fetch it now and go on with gnome2, i hope we can make gnome2 build before 1.6.0 is released
23:46 < huebi> Mike1: <AOL> me too ;-) </AOL>
23:46 < Mike1> huebi: btw as paralel thing we are working on porting the drock thing to install multiple cds
23:46 < huebi> Mike1: That's kool.
23:47 < Mike1> but as far as now i have not done many things, hopefully i will have progress this weekend as i will lock my self in the room to make some serious devel :)
23:47 < huebi> and I want to have a look at some other distributions on how they handle the boot off of a cd.
23:48 < huebi> but I have not too much time for that.
23:48 < Mike1> huebi: i think having the multi-cd install will help us alot
23:49 < Mike1> huebi: as i have seen on drock is just a matter of umounting src mount the second cd on src again and type Install again
23:49 < Mike1> so i guess it need some little changes to install cd
23:49 < Mike1> s/cd/script
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23:50 < Mike1> i know that is still not like other distros do it but it can be a temporary solution
23:50 < Mike1> dont you think?
23:51 < Mike1> [anders]: source fetched from now on please look at the changelog file in the base dir, as i will comment my hacks there, hope you do the same
23:51 < Mike1> adrian: you there?
23:52 < [anders]> Mike1: Yeah, not modified anything in the tree apart from when I sync up with cvs...
23:53 < adrian> Mike1: so so, a bit busy.. but with available time :)
23:54 < Mike1> [anders]: ok
23:55 < Mike1> but you will modify stuff after include gnome2 i am sure
23:55 < Mike1> :)
23:56 < huebi> I'm not against features. If they are implemented _and_ testet and known to work I really have no problem with it. The biggest issue is to get documentation in the build scripts and sth which could be called sufficient error handling. I think about sth like this. If you start ./scripts/Download and you have not run ./scripts/Puzzle befor it must tell you: No INDEX files in ... found. please run ./scripts/Puzzle before you strt the download."
23:56 < huebi> Just to clear up things a little bit.
23:56 < adrian> cu
23:57 < huebi> If Gnome2 is tested and it works it will be in 1.6.0
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23:57 < Mike1> huebi: ack
23:58 < Mike1> huebi: i already promissed to work around documenting stuff in scripts/*
23:58 < Mike1> and i will :)
23:59 < huebi> Mike1: That is really great. If you understand the scripts an you think you can rewrite some portions to be more easy to understand - Just do it.
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