--- Log opened Mon Aug 05 00:00:10 2002
--- Day changed Mon Aug 05 2002
00:00 < [anders]> We have the performance version.. With two extra CPU's..
00:00 < [anders]> there is also internal two 18GB SCSI disks (which you have to add, just like the two extra CPU's..)
00:03 < [anders]> Right.. The config we have (not including the FCAL disks) comes to $32,742.00 US$..
00:03 < [anders]> Now to check the FCAL disks..
00:04 < huebi> well, at least 20 times the price for my box. but only 2 to 3 times faster.
00:05 < [anders]> huebi: you are talking IBM rackmountable kit here.. of course it will be more expensive, much more expensive.. :)
00:08 < [anders]> hmm.. can't get a price or even list the drawers of disks we have.. they are the type of drawers that goes into the FAStT storage kit.. So for the disks you are probably talking annother $30-40,000 US$.. The box probably cost (the way it is kitted out) 50,000 GBP.. So about 150,000 D-Mark..
00:08 < [anders]> or there-abouts..
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00:09 < [anders]> and considering they have just bought a p690 to go on the test-floor, this box represents peanuts to them..
00:09 < huebi> I benchmaked my old Dual Celeron 525 (466 overclocked) against a SUN E4500. it was in writing to disk 2.65 faster an did only cost 1/100 of the sun box. There was no explanation from the SUN benchmark center here in Langen for that performance lack on the E4500.Add 300 EUR for a 19" case for a PC.
00:10 < [anders]> huebi: I know.. But for reliability in the hardware, if I had to set up a database server, I would buy RS/6000 every time if money was no objection, but reliability was..
00:10 < [anders]> If I had to cut costs, I would look at PC kit, but only reluctantly..
00:12 < huebi> [anders]: SUN is CRAP! I had a broken E3500 last year. It failed 5 times in 3 weeks. SUN was not able to fix it in time. So at my last Customer I swited of 2/3 of all the sun server and 100% of the RS/600 and replaced them with faster and cheaper PC-Servers
00:13 < [anders]> huebi: I didn't say Sun was good.. :)
00:13 < holyolli> is anybody experienced with kernel-oopses?
00:14 < [anders]> holyolli: depends.. I have had to piss about with ksymoops a few times..
00:14 < holyolli> o.k.- then some flaming...mompl
00:14 < holyolli> it's alpha-hardware..
00:14 < holyolli> aboot: starting kernel boot/kernel-2.4.19 with arguments                                 Linux version 2.4.19 (root@snoopy) (gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release)) #1 SMP Mon Au2Booting GENERIC on Tsunami variation Clipper using machine vector Clipper from SRM       Command line:
00:15 < [anders]> holyolli: no clue.. never messed with Alphas.. (Can't afford one)
00:15 < holyolli> [some other stuff]
00:15 < holyolli> Inode cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 6, 524288 bytes)                           Mount-cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 4, 131072 bytes)                            Buffer-cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 5, 262144 bytes)                          Page-cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 524288 bytes)                            POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX                                                      U
00:15 < holyolli> nable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 0000000000000000               CPU 0 swapper(0): Oops 0
00:15 < [anders]> but I'll try and understand it anyway..
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00:15 < holyolli> hi mike1
00:15 < huebi> moin Mike1
00:15 < Mike1> hallo all
00:15 < th> hi Mike1
00:15 < [anders]> yo Mike1
00:16 < Mike1> huebi stage tree with gnome2 is looking good
00:16 < [anders]> holyolli: uhm, your kernel is doing a de-referencing of a null pointer.. That is bad..
00:16 < Mike1> :)
00:16 < [anders]> Mike1: I have just rsynced.. :)
00:16 < holyolli> anders: the strange thing is that's so early during bootup
00:17 < [anders]> holyolli: Hmm.. That I do not understand.. it suggests that the kernel itself is a bit screwy..
00:17 < Mike1> [anders] hehe but i forgot to upload my tree to rsync
00:17 < huebi> holyolli: Can you change the architecktur to generic alpha? I had many kernel oopses here but forgot how I solved that.
00:17 < holyolli> hm. it's 2.4.19 with no really special options...
00:17 < holyolli> huebi: it is generic...
00:17 < holyolli> "Booting GENERIC on Tsunami..."
00:18 < Mike1> [anders] thought its seems like it will build very nicely
00:18 < huebi> holyolli: then the architecture of your machine Tsunami
00:18 < [anders]> Mike1: I have just archived a successful stage 1+2.. :)
00:18 < Mike1> [anders] good
00:19 < holyolli> huebi: what do you mean with this?
00:19 < Mike1> [anders] but the sources u rsynced do not have gnome2
00:19 < [anders]> Mike1: no, look in the changelog.. :)
00:19 < Mike1> so you should hold it there untill i upload my tree tonight
00:20 < Mike1> [anders] did u include all the packages?
00:20 < Mike1> cuz i did too
00:20 < [anders]> Mike1: Ok.. I will.. I'll kick off stage 3 tomorrow then..
00:20 < [anders]> Mike1: Uhm.. As of CVS 25 minutes ago..
00:20 < Mike1> [anders] what do u mean?
00:21 < [anders]> I syncronised my tree with CVS about 25 minutes ago, then updates the rsync tree from my private..
00:21 < [anders]> (after grabbing the rsync tree of course.. :)
00:22 < Mike1> i still dont understand what u ment by look at the changelog
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00:24 < huebi> holyolli: can you choose the architecture "Tsunami" in the kernel config?
00:24 < holyolli> huebi: nope
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00:31 < th> ich bett
00:31 < holyolli> viel spass
00:31 < huebi> cu th
00:33 < [anders]> 2.4.19-ac2 is available.. And I am now off to bed.. Cya tomorrow chaps.. :)
00:33 < holyolli> cya anders
00:34 * Mike1 leaving
00:34 < holyolli> cya Mike1
00:36 < huebi> cu Mike1
00:36 < Mike1> huebi nacht mein freund
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00:39 * owl leaves you now
00:39 < huebi> cu owl
00:39 < owl> cu. gn8
00:39 < holyolli> cya owl
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00:48 < holyolli> huebi=
00:48 < holyolli> ?
00:49 < huebi> jo holyolli
00:49 < holyolli> muss ich irgendwas beachten, wenn ich mit serieller console arbeiten will?
00:49 < holyolli> die rock-install-cd will da irgendwie nicht...
00:50 < holyolli> sobald er nach den consolen fragt, bekomm ich nur noch datenmuell
00:50 < huebi> Ich habe noch nie ueber die serielle console installiert. ich kann das aber mal ausprobieren.
00:51 < holyolli> Enter the names of all terminal devices (e.g. 'vc/1' or 'tts/0').                        An empty text stands for vc/1 - vc/6: tts/0
00:51 < holyolli> und dann is schluss :(
00:52 < huebi> PC oder alpha?
00:52 < holyolli> alpha
00:52 < huebi> hmmm
00:57 < holyolli> aber ich denke mal, das es doch eigendlich egal sein sollte, oder?
00:57 < holyolli> btw. kommst du auf www.api-networks.com drauf?
00:57 < huebi> eigendlich schon. Du kannst mal mit den Einstellungen von minicom rumprobieren.
00:57 < holyolli> naja..also die baudraten hab ich eigendlich schon alle durch
00:59 < holyolli> aber bie dir funktioniert es mit "tts/0" als angabe fürs terminal?
00:59 < holyolli> s/bie/bei/;
01:00 < huebi> holyolli: http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/files/minirc.dfl <- teste die mal
01:01 < holyolli> jo..danke
01:05 < holyolli> huebi: btw. der kernel-oops tritt offenbar nur beim 2.4.19er kernel auf - 2.4.17 tut ohne probleme
01:08 < holyolli> huebi: but your minicom-file works!
01:08 < holyolli> many thanks :))
01:08 < huebi> kool
01:08 < huebi> I removed all the modem control stuff in it.
01:09 < holyolli> I had to switch the baudrate after entering the console ("tts/0")
01:09 < holyolli> and then i got a prompt
01:10 < huebi> 9600 8N1 is the choice for all UNIX boxes
01:11 < holyolli> yes. but for the prompt i needed 38400 8N1
01:11 < huebi> holyolli: That is wrong in Rocklinux. I'll change that.
01:11 < holyolli> .oO(now i have a get a fitting hdd... =)
01:12 < holyolli> huebi: hm. i think you better wait
01:12 < holyolli> I'll write a list of problems during install
01:12 < huebi> holyolli: why?
01:12 < holyolli> and then we can fix them all
01:12 < huebi> holyolli: ACK
01:12 < holyolli> because there will come some more points when installing on alpha
01:13 < holyolli> esden was so good and already updated the create-cd-script, which can now isomarkboot the cds for alpha
01:16 < huebi> yes, looks good
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01:52 < holyolli> o.k. - i'll go to bed now...
01:52 < holyolli> sleep well
01:52 < holyolli> ;-)
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03:50 < fake> *urks*
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06:56 < coldie> morning
07:17 < huebi> moin
07:32 < huebi> 145 files are modified in the last 2 days
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09:21 < tsa> moin.
09:22 < capchaos> hi tsa
09:22 < tsa> hi capchaos
09:27 < capchaos> so, bis denn
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10:08 < huebi> moin tsa
10:09 < tsa> hi huebi
10:09 < tsa> ich bin derzeit wohl erstmal von zuhause aus ein paar tage offline..
10:09 < tsa> deswegen auch eher selten hier..
10:09 < tsa> (mein dsl-modem ist hin..)
10:10 < huebi> schlecht.
10:10 < huebi> deshalbe habe ich 2. T-Offline ist mir da zu doof
10:10 < tsa> jupp, ich weiss. Interessanterweise tauscht die Teledumm es trotzdem aus..
10:11 < tsa> Nach nem kleinen Kurzschluss zu Hause war das Teil tot und hat gar nichts mehr gesagt..
10:12 < tsa> Ich hatte eigentlich gehofft, mit dem Austausch einer Feinsicherung waere das recht fix zu beheben.
10:13 < tsa> Allerdings waren die so schlau, in das Teil gar nicht erst eine Sicherung einzubauen..
10:13 < tsa> :-((
10:13 < huebi> T-Offline halt.
10:13 < tsa> jupp...
10:15 < tsa> haben mir am samstag zugesagt, das austausch-teil noch am gleichen tag rauszuschicken, so dass es heute da sein sollte...mal abwarten, was das so gibt..
10:15 * tsa ist skeptisch
10:15 < huebi> Vor 2 wochen haben die mir voellig problemlos ein ECI gegen ein Siemens umgetauscht.
10:16 < tsa> ah..
10:16 < huebi> Ich habe fuer den Austausch einen Telekomiker kommen lassen.
10:16 < tsa> ich hatte von Anfang an ein Siemens...mal abwarten, was sie mir jetzt schicken..
10:16 < huebi> Was haben die Kollegen denn hier geschickt? Das Ding habe ich ja noch nie gesehen."
10:17 < tsa> hehe
10:17 < tsa> ja, das klingt eindeutig nach Teledumm..
10:17 < huebi> das war in Lauf bei Nuernberg. Und das Modem war aus Darmstadt.
10:17 < tsa> hm....vielleicht sollte ich auch nach Darmstadt fahren und mir da gleich nen paar abholen.. ;-)
10:18 < tsa> Naja, zumindest weiss ich jetzt, dass ich mich mal um ne Backup-Anbindung fuer zu Hause kuemmern muss..
10:18 < huebi> Was haben Sie denn fuer ein Modem? und daruf ich: Eins mit nem rosa T drauf. Das ist von ihnen.
10:18 < tsa> lol.
10:19 < huebi> <- Kann noch bloeder sein als ein Telekomiker.
10:19 < th> so muss man mit denen umgehen ;)
10:19 < th> morgen folks
10:19 < tsa> ja, das ist vermutlich die einzige Art und Weise, mit den Deppen irgendwie umzugehen und dabei was zu erreichen.
10:19 < tsa> hi th.
10:20 < huebi> Der Service war sehr schnell, als ich gesagt habe, ich koste meinem Kunden hier 75 EUR die Stunde.
10:20 < huebi> moin th. Jo die mussen immer kompetenter sein als du selber. Das ist oft aber fast unmoeglich.
10:20 < th> so tief kann man selten sinken
10:21 < tsa> Fand ich sowieso interessant, dass die das jetzt tauschen. Die haben doch vor ein paar Monaten erst die Teile den Kunden geschenkt, damit sie die in Zukunft verkaufen koennen..
10:22 < tsa> "Welches DSL-Modem haben Sie denn, das grosse oder das kleine?" <- Wie soll man so eine Frage beantworten, ohne beide Modelle zu kennen..?
10:22 < huebi> tsa: Das kleine. Ist doch klar.
10:22 < tsa> (eigentlich wollte er nur rausfinden, dass es von Siemens ist..)
10:22 < tsa> huebi: nee....es war das grosse ;-)
10:23 < huebi> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root     569278464 Aug  5 10:20 rock-ia32-i586-base+opt-1.5.18.iso
10:23 < tsa> Haette er nach Hersteller gefragt, waere es einfacher gewesen..
10:23 < huebi> upload startet in ein paar minuten.
10:23 < huebi> ECI steht nirgendwo drauf.
10:23 < tsa> Die Siemens-Teile haben unten nen kleinen Siemens-Aufkleber..
10:25 < tsa> Eigentlich sollten die diesen ganzen Scheiss mal als _einen_ Kasten verkaufen, nicht als 20 verschiedene..
10:25 < tsa> splitter, modem, tk-anlage, ..
10:25 < tsa> lauter kleine kaesten, die in der gegend rumliegen und ne komplette steckleiste verbrauchen..
10:26 < th> dann koennen die auch die verschiedenen sorten von geraeten und vllt gleich fuer jeden typ ein ersatzgeraet mit in einen grossen kasten stecken
10:26 < th> dann hat man einen grossen kasten mit 20 kleinen drin
10:27 < th> und am besten schaltet die telekom dann per verwartung auf ein geraet ihrer wahl um
10:27 < th> s,verwartung,fernwartung,
10:35 < huebi> upload laeuft. Ich muss mich jetzt  wirklich mal um QoS kuemmern.
10:38 < tsa> hehe
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11:01 < huebi> der name des Verzeichnisses, in dem die kernelquellen liegen, hat sich von "linux" in "linux-2.4.19"
11:01 < huebi> geaendert.
11:03 < tsa> oh, 2.4.19 ist released?
11:03 < tsa> hat ja lange genug gedauert..
11:10 < [anders]> huebi: got a patch for you.. slang failed to build.. I'll just edit the patch a bit, then dcc it to you, is that okay?
11:10 < [anders]> moin zusammen
11:13 < tsa> hi [anders]
11:18 < huebi> hi [anders]
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11:28 < bluefire> Moin moin
11:31 * tsa sending bugreport to clifford.
11:31 < tsa> hi bluefire
12:06 * [anders] is about half way through a run on stage 3. apart from slang, nothing has failed so far.. and slang was easy to fix.
12:12 < tsa> [anders]: for 1.5 tree?
12:13 < [anders]> tsa: da.. I have syncronised with CVS and are running a stage 3 now to verify a stable base for the gnome2 packages..
12:13 < tsa> ah, i see.
12:13 < [anders]> I have tried to dcc the patch to huebi, but he appears to be elsewhere.. :)
12:14 < tsa> hehe
12:14 < [anders]> and I have probably stepped on a few toes with the posting to the mailing list..  But hey, shit happens..
12:14 < tsa> *G* ;)
12:14 < [anders]> If people can not take criticism, they have a problem..
12:15 < [anders]> Ah well, that is the way I figure ROCK will progress the best way.. No-one have to agree with me..
12:16 < [anders]> Personally though, I am quite likely to grab 1.5 and stick with it.. Works for me.. If I could keep 1.4.0 work for me for a year and a half, I am sure I can get 1.6.0 to last just as long..
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12:21 < tsa> tag holyolli
12:21 < holyolli> hi
12:21 < tsa> ;-)
12:21 < holyolli> huhu tsa :-))
12:25 < praenti> hi
12:25 < holyolli> hi praenti
13:05 < tsa> cu *
13:06 < holyolli> cu tsa
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13:33 < [anders]> yet another large e-mail @ the mailing list.. took some time to write that.. :)
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14:31 < holyolli> hi freak
14:31 < holyolli> hi smp
14:36 < th> huebi: ping
14:37 < Freak> uhm re
14:39 < th> huebi: timeout/ignore
14:40 < fake> moin
14:41 * fake still laughing
14:41 < fake> clifford's mail ;-)
14:42 < rolla> re
14:44 < th> that was a package-mail...
14:44 < th> got directly into my inbox...
14:44 < th> i should adapt procmailrc
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14:57 < holyolli> does anybody know how i can grep for tabs? \t doesn't seem to work...
14:58 < fake> err...
14:58 < fake> *trying*
14:58 < holyolli> i have a list of ip-addresses vom .1 to .255 at the end. and i will grep for ".1"
14:59 < holyolli> and _not_ for e.g. ".11", ".12", etc.
14:59 < fake> at the end of a line?
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14:59 < snyke> hi owl
14:59 < fake> .1$
14:59 < owl> hi
15:00 < owl> huebi hier?
15:00 < owl> *ist
15:00 < holyolli> fake: the list is the following type:
15:01 < holyolli> <something>192.168.123.x<some tabs> <some other info>
15:01 < holyolli> where "x" is from 1 to 255
15:01 < holyolli> and when i grep for "192.168.123.1" i'll get everything beginning with ".1" at the end of the address
15:02 < fake> oh.
15:02 < holyolli> so i need to grep for "192.168.123.1<tab"
15:02 < holyolli> and this doesn't seem to work...or it's a layer-8-problem ;-)
15:03 < fake> holl: try ^V^T
15:03 < holyolli> something like "grep 192.168.123.1^V^T" ?
15:03 < fake> urgh
15:04 < fake> no, i meant ^T, which you get by ^V^T
15:04 < fake> but it doesn't work
15:04 < holyolli> exactly...
15:04 < fake> ah
15:04 < fake> now i know
15:05 < fake> ^V<tab>
15:05 < holyolli> mh?
15:06 < fake> grep '^V<tab>'
15:06 < fake> i mean Ctrl+V and the the tab key
15:06 < fake> works here
15:06 < holyolli> ahhh
15:06 < holyolli> *froi*
15:06 < holyolli> *fakedankeknuddel* ;-)
15:06 < fake> ;-)
15:06 < holyolli> <-- was sitting over 1h on this prob
15:12 < [anders]> tab == ^I
15:12 < th> # [M] Dimitar Jekov <jimmy@ncp.infonet.bg>
15:12 < th> is he ircing sometimes?
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15:16 < fake> mornin' snobbish bremer
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15:23 < th> Track 01: data  672 MB
15:23 < th> Total size:     772 MB (76:33.30) = 344498 sectors
15:23 < th> Lout start:     773 MB (76:35/23) = 344498 sectors
15:23 < th> will it fit?
15:23 < th> on a 74 minute cdr?
15:23 < holyolli> afaik not
15:24 < th> i hate that
15:24 < th> that's rock 1.5.17 :-/
15:27 < th> Blocks total: 336225 Blocks current: 336225 Blocks remaining: -8273
15:27 < th> cdrecord: WARNING: Data may not fit on current disk.
15:27 * [anders] contemplating getting a few 90 minute CD-R's...
15:28 < th> all because of that fscking gnome and kde crap
15:28 < th> :-(
15:29 < [anders]> th: it has already been suggested that the install be split up over two CD's.. desktop env on cd2, and all the other base+opt on cd1.. we'd need the install system from dRock to do that however..
15:30 < th> hmpf
15:30 < [anders]> th: nothing stopping you from deleting a tbz2 archive or two before you make the ISO..
15:30 < [anders]> ;-)
15:30 < th> [anders]: i need it bootable
15:30 < th> well it would be comfortable
15:30 < th> else i had to make discs
15:30 < th> i hate discs
15:31 < huebi> re
15:31 < th> huebi: da bist du ja du schelm
15:31 < [anders]> ROCK is no longer as small as it once was.. 1.3.9 fit quite easily on one CD.
15:31 < huebi> re
15:31 < [anders]> re huebi, how's things?
15:31 < holyolli> re huebi
15:32 < th> huebi: jetz muss ich mir von dem sesselfurzer ne etage tiefer 80minuten rohlinge holen nur weil du die CD so aufgeblaeht hast :-/
15:34 < huebi> th: hehe . use 1.5.18 hasdnow only 559MB.
15:35 < huebi> 333000 sectors is a good maximum for 650MB/74min CDs
15:36 < huebi> I tested that 4 years ago before I switched to tapedrives.
15:37 < th> huebi: hmm
15:37 < th> huebi: perhaps i should get it
15:37 < th> huebi: is it up?
15:37 < th> huebi: this morgning it was at 180MB
15:38 < huebi> I have a big todo list for vienna. ;>
15:38 < huebi> th no, not yet. It's at ~300 MB
15:38 < th> 296M
15:38 < th> damn
15:38 < th> huebi: major differences from 17 to 18?
15:38 < th> huebi: any important fixes?
15:40 < huebi> for installation: NO. For the build: Yes. I changed about 145 files in ROCK Linux 1.5.18. The whole build is changed.
15:40 < th> so base-pkgs do not differ?
15:41 < huebi> '$MAKE' is replaced with 'make $makeopt'
15:41 < th> i don't mean base-config
15:42 < huebi> th: I updatted qt to 3.0.5, removed apmd, kdepim, kernel is now 2.4.19
15:43 < huebi> util-linux-2.11u
15:43 < th> hmm
15:43 < th> 3.0.4 > 3.0.5?
15:43 < huebi> the rest I foergot is in the changelog
15:45 < th> huebi: do you think we could ever switch to grub by default?
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15:46 < th> huebi: it really rocks because it has a command-line
15:47 < huebi> th:  we can add it in the install script as a choice. I know lilo very well now and use it therefore. Grub is a good alternative for lilo. It's more like SILO, more flexible and error proof.
15:48 < th> huebi: it's a question of /etc/setup.d/XY-grub, isn't it?
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15:49 * owl leaves you again.
15:49 < owl> cu.
15:50 < th> later owl
15:50 < huebi> th and the install script. It must ask you to choice betwenn the 2 bootmanagers
15:50 < huebi> cu owl
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15:50 < th> huebi: well it asks whether to use lilo. it would suffice if it asks for grub too
15:51 < huebi> th: No. "Do you want to use LILO or grub as your boot manager?"
15:51 < th> huebi: hmmm. that implies more work ;)
15:51 < huebi> ore none
15:52 < huebi> or no bootmanager
15:52 < th> [L/g/n]
15:52 < th> echo -n 'Would you like to run the lilo setup script now? (YES/no) '
15:52 < huebi> th: yes it does. But there is also even more work.
15:52 < th> that's from lilo.setup which becomes /etc/setup.d/xy-lilo
15:53 < huebi> th: It must be clear that one can choose.
15:53 < th> huebi: i like the situation. i like it that each script asks independently whether to run itself or not
15:54 < th> have the decision in the start of each /etc/setup.d/xy-{lilo,grub} would also work correctly if lilo/grub is not installed
15:54 < huebi> I wantto know before I choose lilo if there will come grub too.
15:54 < th> huebi: yes that is right
15:55 < th> huebi: Would you like to run the lilo setup script now? (YES/no)\n NOTE: You can choose grub instead if installed
15:55 < th> Would you like to run the grub setup script now? (YES/no)\n NOTE: You can choose lilo instead if installed
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15:57 < huebi> That's an idea. But I want some more explanations and a context help.(optional)
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16:00 < Mike1> Hi all
16:01 < huebi> moin Mike1
16:02 < th> huebi: yea but context-help is a general thing
16:03 < th> huebi: and we should not stop enabling grub just because we want a context.help
16:03 < [anders]> god morgon Mike1, läget? :)
16:04 < huebi> th ACK. Please write grup setup script and commit it. It will be in there then.
16:04 < Mike1> hi [anders] everything cool, how are you today?
16:04 * Mike1 reading [anders] mail to the list
16:05 < [anders]> Mike1: tired as hell.. didn't fall asleep until after 01:30 this morning and got up at 06:45 to go to work.. Feeling dead on my feet and I know I will not get any sleep this evening as I will have to drive for about 5-6 hours to fetch my gf from her friends..
16:06 < [anders]> And on top of that I start to feel like I am coming down with a cold.. :-(
16:06 < Mike1> [anders]: oh men !
16:06 < [anders]> but but, one should not complain... :)
16:06 < Mike1> [anders]: sure, btw god damn libtiff broke and fuked up everything on my build!!
16:06 < huebi> [anders]: Time for a break?
16:07 < Mike1> want me to rsync my messed tree?
16:07 < huebi> .oO Ripclaw mailbombed again *g*
16:07 < Mike1> huebi: yes he did :)
16:09 < holyolli> cya
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16:11 < huebi> Clearly bloat is not only a question of adding features almost no one wants.
16:11 < huebi> Bloat is a condition of the mind, permeating software houses everywhere.
16:11 < huebi>                                           -- Rick A. Downes, RISKS Digest 20.35
16:22 < th> und wieder mal steh ich vor der wahl einer neuen host-namen-serie
16:23 < huebi> Teletubbi names
16:23 < th> hmm
16:23 < th> ich bin hier im fraunhofer
16:23 < huebi> Telebears I thing is the original name
16:24 < huebi> dann ist das auch angemessen *g*
16:24 < th> ich kann doch die 2GHz/2GB-rambus kiste nich "lala" nennen
16:24 < huebi> th: Doch tue es. Die kennt sofort jeder.
16:24 < th> hmmm
16:24 < th> vllt. dipsy
16:25 < th> das reicht nicht fuer genuegend hosts
16:25 < th> gibts nich was anderes niveauloses?
16:26 < th> wie war das? dipsy, lala, tinky-winky und po?
16:26 < huebi> Heinos Liedernamen
16:26 < th> da kenn ich mich nich so aus ;)
16:27 < huebi> Die Idioten aus BigBrother.
16:27 < huebi> Zlotko.
16:27 < th> hmm
16:27 < th> och noe das erinnert mich immer an die spinner
16:28 < huebi> niewoloser gehts nich.
16:32 < huebi> Die Namen der Exfreundinnen vom Chef.
16:32 < th> hmm
16:36 < huebi> th: Rocklinux branch tags.
16:37 < th> hmm
16:37 < th> naja ersma dipsy und lala
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16:41 < huebi> th nett
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16:42 < [anders]> Time for a break indeed.. but I am not allowed to take time off..
16:42 < th> so dipsy wartet auf nen hostname
16:42 < th> bbl
16:43 < [anders]> Mike1: sure, I'd like to see what you have done.. :) Would give me chance to tinker with it as well. :)
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16:48 < jambor> hallo
16:48 < Mike1> damn you updated some stuff, i will upload the tarball somewhere and you take care of merge it is that ok with you ? *g
16:49 -!- jambor is now known as _muc_
16:50 < Mike1> oh i will just put the tarball with the rsync dir tree :)
16:50 < Mike1> than you go for the diffs :)
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16:52 < [anders]> Mike1: that's fine with me.. stick the tar-ball in the rsync tree and I will merge it. :)
16:52 < Mike1> yes mom
16:52 < [anders]> oops.. /me just read the log.. :)
16:52 < [anders]> *g*
16:52 * Mike1 didnt have time to write the log *g
16:54 < Mike1> [anders]: i will sent you the list of the added / updated packages
16:54 < Mike1> tar-ball uploaded you can rsync the stuff
16:55 < [anders]> Mike1: okidoki.. I'll merge it all in as soon as I can and I will update the log.
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16:55 < Mike1> [anders]: excellent, i am sorry for the changelog incovenient i have been really busy
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16:56 < _muc_> Hallo
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16:57 < bluefire> re
16:58 < _muc_> kann mir einer helfen und den unterschied zwischen gentoo und rock erkldren ?
16:58 -!- _muc_ is now known as m_u_c
16:58 < capchaos> m_u_c: rock is kooler
16:58 < [anders]> Mike1: don't worry about that.. :) I know what it is like so you won't hear any jibes from me.. :)
16:59 < m_u_c> ohh, ja dann muss ich ja fast rock nehmen ;-)
16:59 < Mike1> [anders]: :)
17:00 < huebi> at about 18h00 GMT (~3h from now) the new ROCK Linux 1.5.18 should be uploaded
17:00 < Mike1> huebi: cool!
17:01 < m_u_c> was sind denn die technischen unterschiede, gibts dazu irgendwo info ?
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17:04 < m_u_c> schade
17:04 < capchaos> m_u_c: was genau willst du tun?
17:04 -!- _muc_ [~jambor@pD9E971E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
17:04 < m_u_c> mich fuer eine distri entscheiden
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17:05 < owl> re
17:05 < Mike1> re owl
17:05 < capchaos> hi owl
17:05 < m_u_c> sie soll auf einen Laptop genausogut "wartbar" sein wie auf einem server
17:05 < Mike1> Freak: how is your enjure doing? still hurts? *g
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17:06 < capchaos> m_u_c: read the f*cking homepages :-) www.gentoo.org www.rocklinux.de
17:07 < m_u_c> hmmm soll ich ehrlich sein ?
17:07 < capchaos> m_u_c: immer doch :)
17:08 < m_u_c> gelesen habe ich alle, auch sorcerer und lunar, aber aus den seiten bekommt man keine praktischen infos
17:08 < m_u_c> ich meine ihr wendet rock an und kennt sicher auch die anderen etwas und da hoffte ich ein paar tips zu bekommen !
17:08 < capchaos> m_u_c: da hilft nur selbst ausprobieren
17:08 < m_u_c> warum setzt du denn rock ein ?
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17:10 < capchaos> m_u_c: hab gentoo nie getestet, aber ROCK erscheint mir die vernuenftigere alternative: du kannst es von grund auf neu kompilieren, es ist (fast) voellig script basiert..
17:12 < m_u_c> [capchaos] hmmm ich mu_ gestehen, dass ich alle bis auf rock zum laufen bekommen habe :-))
17:12 < capchaos> m_u_c: was lief nicht?
17:13 < Freak> Mike1: hehe
17:13 < capchaos> hi Freak :)
17:14 < m_u_c> wenn ich ehrlich bin, habe ich noch keine installationsanleitung gefunden und die floppys haben mich etwas im regen stehen lassen, aber ich werds morgen nochmal versuchen, denn habe etwas in den FAQ gefunden !
17:14 < m_u_c> ein paar fragen hdtte ich doch noch wenns ned schlimm ist !
17:15 < capchaos> just ask
17:16 < Freak> m_u_c: es _ist_ schlimm.
17:16 < m_u_c> ok, wenns schlimm ist , dann ned
17:17 < m_u_c> viel spass noch und bye
17:17 < capchaos> bye
17:17 * [anders] is restructuring some of the directories on the hard-disk relating to the rock-src...
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17:18 < Mike1> [anders]: have fun!
17:19 < [anders]> Mike1: do you mind if I create the two parallel directories in the rsync directory? :)
17:20 < [anders]> One with and one without Gnome2
17:20 < Freak> http://www.explodingdog.com/august6/only2days.html
17:20 < Mike1> [anders]: as long as you dont use more than 40gb on it is fine with me
17:20 < Mike1> :)
17:22 < [anders]> Mike1: Ok, that should be no problem with me.. :)
17:22 < [anders]> err, I mean I should not be able to screw up _that_ badly.. :)
17:40 < [anders]> ok, going to have to go.. driving back up to essex to pick up the gf.. I will be back in by midnight I guess.. *sigh*
17:41 * [anders] has a good feeling I'll be living dead in the morning..
17:41 < Mike1> [anders]: cool enjoy the trip
17:41 < Mike1> :PP
17:41 < [anders]> Mike1: as much as one can enjoy the M25 I suppose...
17:41 < [anders]> "M25 - The Orbital Carpark Of London"
17:42 < [anders]> <- afk
17:42 < Mike1> hehe
18:01 < blindcoder> g'evening
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18:02 < d3mian> hi
18:02 < huebi> re
18:02 < huebi> moin d3mian
18:02 < owl> hi d3mian
18:02 < owl> hi blindcoder
18:04 < huebi> hi owl
18:05 < huebi> tach blindcoder
18:05 < huebi> blindcoder: I'll have a look now for your build disk. We need a new bootimage(system for ROCK Linux 1.5
18:07 < blindcoder> okay, it's still where it used to be :)
18:08 < d3mian> a rock logo while booting the kernel sounds nice ;)
18:12 < Mike1> hi d3mian, you mean a fancy interface like suse or mandrake do when booting??
18:12 * Mike1 wouldnt like something like that
18:15 < huebi> <AOL> ME too. Me too </AOL> For the installation CD I can live with that, or better I like the idea buit not for the installed system by default. Only as an extension then.
18:15 < d3mian> well, personally i wouldnt like to spend time doing that while i can do some other most important stuff. but i think it could be nice in dRock
18:16 < d3mian> if someone has time to spend doing that
18:16 < d3mian> hallo Mike1
18:17 < Mike1> d3mian: perhaps you might wanna sent a message to the list with ur suggestion, i dont this could be done for drock as it is almost merged with 1.7 but if clifford and rene like the idea they might implement it on 1.7, thought i have warrantys
18:17 < Mike1> d3mian: or even you could simply do it and then when it is stable and well tested could be included i guess
18:18 < Mike1> d3mian: how are you btw
18:18 < d3mian> im fine, thanx. a bit tired, but im ok , da u ?
18:20 < Mike1> i am going to do some things at the bank see in an hour or so
18:20 < d3mian> k
18:20 * Mike1 is away: I'm busy
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19:02 < d3mian> hi plfiorini
19:02 < plfiorini> hi d3mian
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19:27 * Mike1 is back (gone 01:07:04)
19:27 < Mike1> re
19:32 < owl> wb Mike1
19:32 < Mike1> owl: thank you :)
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19:53 < WKaibigan2> Has anybody installed the cryptoapi and patched util-linux files?
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20:37 < rxr_away> re
20:37 -!- rxr_away is now known as rxr
20:38 < rxr> s.o. here ?
20:38 < d3mian> hi rene
20:38 < rxr> oh hi!
20:39 < Mike1> wow rxr you are back
20:39 < Mike1> how are you my friend?
20:39 < owl> hi rxr
20:39 < rxr> hi all!
20:40 < rxr> Mike1: The holyday was really great. I came back Saturday. Now I'm not at home - and stay at my parents.
20:41 < Mike1> ah i see
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21:07 < ripclaw> helo rockers
21:08 < d3mian> hello man!
21:08 < Mike1> master ripclaw :)
21:08 * ripclaw ducks awaiting replies
21:09 < ripclaw> i got problems with a particular host not booting correctly from any cdrom or floppy (intel)
21:09 < ripclaw> any ideas ? we already tried different controllers and disks and disabling a cpu
21:10 < ripclaw> gigabyte ga-586dx board (hx chipset, dual p200mmx, 256mb ram, aha7800)
21:11 < ripclaw> need to re-install the box with rock...
21:12 < blindcoder> hmm a network-boot-capable NIC?
21:12 < ripclaw> 3c905tx-b - should be able to.
21:13 < blindcoder> you could try to set up a network-boot-server if everything else fails... although i've never done so before
21:14 < blindcoder> or put the HD into another box and install it there
21:14 < ripclaw> i havent done in years, and i`ld need to export nfs on a rather "open" aka crispy fry network.
21:14 < ripclaw> exporting an old (6 months ) rpc daemon is no good idea - and thats the most recent box on that network.
21:14 < blindcoder> that's how I always install my crash-and-burn-box
21:15 < ripclaw> hmmm.
21:15 < ripclaw> i`ld need an initrd image with rock - i can use the combo for that ?
21:16 < blindcoder> phew, I'm not so deep into it... I only threw the CD in, installed and remounted the HD into the original PC
21:17 < ripclaw> i know, i do obscene stuff some times ;)
21:18 < blindcoder> hehe, that's what makes linux fun :)
21:18 < blindcoder> ever tried throwin a installed windoze from one PC into another?
21:18 < ripclaw> and doing work hard.
21:19 < ripclaw> no. havent touched windowze for fun or profit since 1999. never installed anything past 95A
21:19 < ripclaw> wait - there was one 98SE light box with lightstep.
21:19 < ripclaw> but i can seriously imagine how bad it sucks balls through needles.
21:20 < blindcoder> *lol*
21:20 < blindcoder> yeah... it just screws :) while linux says: "Oh, some new toys! Let's play with them"
21:20 < ripclaw> i just installed solaris9 on one of them new suns, it looks fine, plays like a bad mama.
21:21 < d3mian> cu guys
21:21 < ripclaw> linux, bsd, unix - as long as its posixish to me :)
21:21 < ripclaw> cu d3mian
21:21 < blindcoder> cu d3mian
21:21 < blindcoder> hehe. well I must admit, I haven't got a clue at administering solaris or *bsd
21:22 * blindcoder <-- plain dumb user (although esden would haunt me for that :)
21:22 < ripclaw> solaris: slackware (older releases) + xfce in linux terms, bsd would be plain slackware with reduced features for openbsd or netbsd.
21:23 < ripclaw> but they rock cool, i learn a lot stuff about unix in general, and specialize in linux.
21:23 < ripclaw> gnu hurd also rocks fat, but its still to buggy to use for any sentiant creature.
21:23 < ripclaw> ls
21:24 < ripclaw> oops.
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21:24 < blindcoder> hehe, yes that happens when you work in screen or 5+ terminals/xterm :)
21:25 < ripclaw> isnt that whats xwindows thought to be for ?
21:25 < th> yes
21:25 < blindcoder> well I hardly use my X for something beside xterms, licq and mplayer :)
21:27 < ripclaw> mozilla || chimera, GNUmail.app || balsa, staroffice. thats what else gets run. but 3 off 5 desktops are 4 xterms each, plus one per desk
21:28 < blindcoder> right there's a mozilla running around *switching through desktops trying to catch it*
21:29 < ripclaw> try beating it with kill - it does a great job with mozilla running errant.
21:30 * blindcoder beating his mozilla with SIGTERM
21:31 < ripclaw> as long as chimera gets fed some eBones, its ok with me.
21:32 < blindcoder> hehe, let it become satiated and healthy
21:32 < blindcoder> well... I'm off to bed now...
21:32 < blindcoder> g'night everyone
21:32 < ripclaw> no. no... chimera needs to be lean and starved - 300k binary size.
21:32 < Mike1> n8 blindcoder
21:32 < ripclaw> something like that.
21:32 < ripclaw> n8 mike
21:33 < Mike1> ripclaw: nein i am not leaving, just blindcoder i was saying n8 to him :)
21:33 < ripclaw> oh - sorry for the misinterpreting.
21:34 < Mike1> ripclaw: no problem
21:34 < ripclaw> btw - this reminds me of bugging winston about the next chimera release.
21:34 * ripclaw jumps over to mailx xterm
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21:38 < martin_> hi all
21:38 < ripclaw> hi
21:39 < martin_> hmmm, is rxr in berlin?
21:39 < ripclaw> ack
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21:46 < holyolli> re
21:46 < ripclaw> bock, olli
21:46 < ripclaw> reh-bock !
21:46 < holyolli> hi ripclaw.. :)
21:46 < ripclaw> hi olli. hab trouble mit ner box. laesst sich nicht installen
21:46 < holyolli> inwiefern?
21:47 < owl> hi holyolli
21:47 < holyolli> hi owl
21:47 < ripclaw> gigabyte ga-586dx board (hx chipset, dual p200mmx, 256mb ram, aha7800, 3c905tx-b)
21:47 < ripclaw> i got problems with a particular host not booting correctly from any cdrom or floppy (intel)
21:47 < ripclaw> any ideas ? we already tried different controllers and disks and disabling a cpu
21:47 < ripclaw> end of quote
21:48 < holyolli> hm. what kind of error comes?
21:49 < huebi> re
21:49 < ripclaw> doesnt find a bootable cdrom, and floppy gives a checksum error.
21:49 < ripclaw> re huebi
21:49 < huebi> ripclaw: update the BIOS
21:49 < holyolli> ripclaw: did you run something like memtest86?
21:49 < ripclaw> huebi - most current bios that is anyway avialable by gigabyte. you know the damn box, we already had the bios issue.
21:50 < ripclaw> holyolli: yes. and its ecc, too.
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21:50 < huebi> ripclaw: hmm.
21:51 < ripclaw> exactly.
21:51 < ripclaw> hmm.
21:51 < holyolli> ripclaw: did you also try another fdd?
21:51 < ripclaw> i`ll try that as a last resort, maybe i have two defective ones.
21:51 < ripclaw> after all - good things are triples or such.
21:51 * huebi burning and testing the new image again.
21:52 < ripclaw> thnks huebi. i tried it on 3 different boxen, not involving the dual-p200 bitch.
21:52 < ripclaw> it says 2002-08-05 i586 image on the cdrom
21:53 < ripclaw> havent tried the k7 one.
21:54 < ripclaw> it could not read the ext2 on the initrd, thus failing the mount and finding no init
21:54 < ripclaw> huebi - what cable did we use for the netra at your place ?
21:55 < ripclaw> factory or some build-it-yourself ?
21:55 < huebi> normal non-crossed netwok cable with adaptor #530-2889-03 REV 02
21:56 < ripclaw> ack. just wondered whether we used it sparc or with intel console.
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21:59 < huebi> here the image boots perfectly.
22:00 < huebi> rock-ia32-i586-base+opt-1.5.18.iso even
22:01 < ripclaw> 1.5.17 does boot correctly here, for i58 and k7.
22:01 < ripclaw> 1.5.18 doesnt.
22:02 < Mike1> re
22:02 < ripclaw> even on a non-scsi box.
22:02 < ripclaw> possible scratched cdrom ?
22:06 < ripclaw> huebi - i`ll bring the image over to you for testing tomorrow, if you don`t mind.
22:06 -!- Ge0rG [~georg@morbo.boerde.de] has joined #rocklinux
22:06 < th> wb Ge0rG
22:06 < Ge0rG> guten morgen :)
22:06 < holyolli> hi Ge0rG
22:06 < th> Ge0rG: sag mir, dass du mate hast!
22:07 < Ge0rG> th: drei kisten für dich... mehr hat nicht ins auto gepasst
22:07 < th> Ge0rG: ok.
22:07 < ripclaw> huebi - hast du ein pwd auf der netra gesetzt ?
22:07 < th> Ge0rG: zu welchem preis?
22:09 < huebi> ripclaw: test ?
22:09 < ripclaw> ok, will try
22:10 < ripclaw> incorrect pwd. root and "" didn`t work, either.
22:10 < Ge0rG> th: 16¤/Kiste
22:10 < th> Ge0rG: also doch mehr als wir dachten
22:10 < huebi> ripclaw: #
22:10 < th> Ge0rG: waren wohl die netto preise
22:11 < ripclaw> ack.
22:11 < huebi> ripclaw: geht?
22:11 < ripclaw> yup
22:11 < ripclaw> thnx
22:11 < huebi> gern geschehen
22:11 < Ge0rG> th: nee, spritausgaben und so...
22:11 < ripclaw> login hat noch das 4 mal enter problem drauf.
22:12 < th> Ge0rG: achso. ich wollte deinen EK wissen
22:12 < huebi> Ge0rG: Fahr doch einfach den 1Liter Lupo.
22:12 < Ge0rG> th: 13¤
22:12 < th> ripclaw: das liegt an dev/random
22:12 < Ge0rG> huebi: ich frage mich, wie viel mate da reinpasst....
22:12 < ripclaw> th - ich hoere ?
22:12 < th> ripclaw: GETPASS_ASTERIKS -1
22:12 < th> ripclaw: in der login.defs
22:12 < Ge0rG> wir haben in den nissan micra 12 Kisten Mate, ein Zelt, zwei Schlafsäcke, zwei Notebooks und Kleinkram bekommen.. und einen grossen nicht faltbaren Papp-Karton
22:13 < Ge0rG> Reading new messages (1189526 bytes)... [4 of 85 messages read]
22:13 < Ge0rG> ugh... 4 tage ohne internet ;)
22:13 < ripclaw> th macht das das enter problem weg, und wenn ja, warum gibts das nicht auf intel ?
22:13 < Ge0rG> th: ausserdem habe ich neues modegetränk dabei: ice-T[tm]
22:13 < th> ripclaw: ich glaube dein enter problem koennte man auch als space problem bezeichnen oder?
22:14 < th> ripclaw: tastendruecke erzeugen entropie, die zur ermittlung der darzustellenden stern-anzahl gebraucht wird
22:14 < th> ripclaw: intel hat ein anderes /dev/random
22:15 * huebi thinking about a brewery as ROCK Linux Sponsor. "Diese Installation wurde ihnen praesentiert von: Krombacher, eine Perle der Natur."
22:16 < ripclaw> wenn ich username-enter, passwort-4xenter brauche ?
22:16 < ripclaw> huebi: prost !
22:16 < owl> huebi: *lol*
22:16 < th> ripclaw: versuch doch mal username-enter, passwort-enter, 3xspace
22:17 < ripclaw> btw - th  that worked !!!
22:17 < ripclaw> thnx.
22:22 < th> ripclaw: alles nur ne frage der entropie
22:22 < th> und mit -1 braucht die passwort abfrage keine entropie mehr
22:22 < ripclaw> aha.
22:23 < ripclaw> dann muss ich nur noch das netzwerk zum laufen kriegen.
22:24 < huebi> ripclaw: use the newest tulip driver for it. I fscked up the kernel src. reextract the source please.
22:25 < huebi> http://eject.sourceforge.net/ <- kool picture
22:25 < ripclaw> will try to get it in there.
22:25 < Ge0rG> huebi: when searching a sponsor we should definitively take loscher KG - I'm sure they would sponsor club mate for nerds who'd merchandise it ;)
22:27 < huebi> ripclaw: What do you try?
22:27 < huebi> ripclaw: can you get a Ulrta for Mike1?
22:27 < ripclaw> get the netra on the net. get new sources there. build ...
22:28 < ripclaw> possible. will have to check.
22:28 < huebi> ripclaw: get sources? why?
22:28 < ripclaw> 1.5.18 on the netra - its still 1.5.16, so i could build, install on second ide disk and tes.t
22:29 < ripclaw> since the other box wont install ...
22:29 < huebi> ripclaw: take a look in /root. there should be the tulip src. And in /usr/src/kernel is the rest.
22:30 < ripclaw> yes. i already saw this. you asked for the overall plan :)  - get new kernel, reboot - get network - get new rock source tree.
22:30 < huebi> get network -reboot -
22:30 < huebi> ....
22:31 < ripclaw> the tarball is missing in kernel dir.
22:32 < huebi> tar ball?
22:32 < ripclaw> linux-2.4.18.tar.*
22:33 < Ge0rG> th (and all the other club mate addicts): http://op-co.de/icmp/dscn1515.jpg
22:33 < ripclaw> there is no pristine kernel source tarball on there.
22:34 < huebi> hmm. *WoIstDasDingHingekommen*
22:34 < ripclaw> ???
22:35 < ripclaw> werde mit der 2. festplatte arbeiten muessen.
22:37 < th> Ge0rG: LECHZ
22:37 < ripclaw> huebi - wann ist source release fuer .18 und welcher kernel ist da auf dem image ?
22:37 < th> ripclaw: 19
22:38 < th> ripclaw: 2.4.19 ;)
22:38 < ripclaw> *brennsuechtig*
22:38 < ripclaw> :)
22:41 < huebi> ripclaw: `Ish habe fertisch.
22:42 < ripclaw> cd ? oder was ?
22:42 < huebi> genau
22:42 < ripclaw> hmpf. bist du zuhause ?
22:42 < huebi> jo
22:43 < ripclaw> dumme frage - wer im irc ist :/
22:43 < huebi> Nokia communicator machts ganz ungebunden...
22:43 < ripclaw> cu l8r - off to huebis plave
22:43 < ripclaw> cu l8r - off to huebis place
22:44 < holyolli> cu ripclaw
23:01 < huebi> Kool. I like vim now with the vimrc and gvimrc enabled per default in 1.5.18
23:02 < huebi> So'n alter Postgolf ist doch nicht der schnellste. Wo ripclaw bloss bleibt?
23:03 < holyolli> EY!
23:03 < holyolli> das ist nen bulli!
23:03 < holyolli> ;-)
23:04 -!- assel [~aszlig@p50803E7B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
23:05 < assel> re 8)
23:05 < huebi> holyolli: Er hat auch noch was richtig schnelles, den Golf halt. Mit dem Bully ueberholen immer die Laster.
23:06 < holyolli> hehehe
23:06 < huebi> holyolli: Den alten eckigen Bus gibt es immer noch neu zu kaufen. mit Klima, 3,0l Porsche Motor in Sued Afrika.
23:07 < huebi> btw. Ich habe bisher keinen schnelleren und einfacher zu fahrenden Sportwagen gefahren. Ich habe mit einem Bus nach dem Fuehrerschein das Fahren gelernt.
23:08 < holyolli> *g*
23:10 < huebi> Als Familienkutsche mit 180Ps wuerde der mir auch gefallen.
23:10 < huebi> hmm, besser 250-300PS
23:13 < huebi> 1000+ !
23:13 < huebi> dann kann er auch fliegen.
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23:16 < assel> goin' off
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23:23 < fake> ahu - ha.
23:25 < rolla> re fake
23:25 < fake> re ;-)
23:25 < owl> moin fake
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23:45 < SMP> huebi?
23:47 < Ge0rG> 'lo SMP
23:48 < Ge0rG> SMP: wanna see the paradise? http://op-co.de/icmp/dscn1515.jpg
23:48 < SMP> weee! :)
23:48 < Ge0rG> I was there :)
23:49 < fake> hi SMP!
23:49 < SMP> nice seeing you guys, but I want huebi!! ;>
23:51 < fake> SMP: what do you want to do to him?
23:51 < fake> we might hide him
23:52 < SMP> /bin/rm
23:52 * fake hides huebi unnoticeably in his ~
23:52 < Ge0rG> omg... opn now sold to texas... the country GWB came from...
23:52 < Ge0rG> mv huebi ~/.huebi ;)
23:52 < fake> Gina Wild Boobies?
23:53 < Ge0rG> fake: guess again ;)
23:53 < fake> Great Wide Bandwidth ?
23:53 < Ge0rG> nope
23:53 < fake> Growing-Weed-Brotherhood ?
23:53 < Ge0rG> I meant George War-with-Everyone Bush Jr.
23:54 < fake> Ah, you mean IQ-90 Cowboy Bush
23:54 < fake> this is pure 3v1l
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