--- Log opened Thu Aug 08 00:00:41 2002
--- Day changed Thu Aug 08 2002
00:08 * tsa going to bed - cu all.
00:08 < huebi> cu tsa
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00:13 * d3mian building gcc
00:13 < d3mian> cu later too
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00:13 < huebi> cu d
00:13 < _NULL> huebi: too late, eh? ;)
00:13 < thaly|nethack> lol
00:14 < thaly|nethack> in nethack:
00:14 < thaly|nethack> You read: "For a good t?me c??? 8?7-5?09".
00:14 < huebi> _NULL: akc
00:14 < _NULL> huebi: *lol*
00:15 < _NULL> huebi: tired or almost dead? ;)
00:16 < huebi> tired
00:16 < _NULL> i c
00:17 < thaly|nethack> go sleeping huebi, you've deserved it ;)
00:17 -!- thaly|nethack is now known as thalerim
00:18 < huebi> thaly|nethack: Now I'm feeling a little bit better. I seept very much today, perhaps I'm a little bit cold.
00:20 < huebi> scsiinfo is now added to 1.5. Very kool to test broken hard disks
00:21 < thalerim> but i will do so in some minutes, but before I will play once again nethack (*grrr* dying all the time isn't that funny!)
00:21 < thalerim> scsiinfo ... broken hard disk? I only know of badblocks
00:21 < _NULL> thalerim: in RL it would be more funny
00:22 < huebi> with scsiinfo you can read the grown defekts list. Then you really see if it's broken or not
00:22 < thalerim> aaaah _NULL ... go away ... ZOMBIE ... *amulet begins to glimmer*
00:22 * Mike1 cant wait for Cabalt RAQ LX to come out, so he can load ROCK on it :)
00:22 < thalerim> huebi: but only for scsi hds?
00:22 < _NULL> thalerim: *ggg* not zombie. 3v1l
00:23 < huebi> thalerim: ACK.
00:24 < thalerim> well, i am setting up a 266mhz pentium II(?) ... to install linux on it and accesing the internet trough a winrouter (actually this PC here)
00:24 < thalerim> ... this PC here i am sitting toward)
00:24 < huebi> thalerim: jo
00:25 < thalerim> but the 266er has two scsi hds :-)
00:26 < huebi> thalerim: test them.
00:26 < huebi> ftp://tsx-11.mit.edu/pub/linux/ALPHA/scsi/scsiinfo-1.7.tar.gz
00:28 < thalerim> i think there it's available as a rock-package
00:28 < thalerim> s,there,,
00:29 < huebi> not in 1.5
00:29 < thalerim> <huebi> scsiinfo is now added to 1.5. Very kool to test broken hard disks <-- ????
00:30 < huebi> erm. Now it's in 1.5. Before it was not.
00:31 < Mike1> gn8 all
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00:31 < thalerim> yes ... but when the pc is set up, i'll able to download the rock source ... and so the most recent including this pkg
00:32 < huebi> thalerim: Yes. it's now in cvs
00:32 < huebi> and will be in 1.5.19
00:36 < thalerim> urgs! died again
00:36 < thalerim> due to illness *pfff*
00:37 < huebi> thalerim: looooser! :P
00:37 < thalerim> hey, i am playing it early for 3hours
00:38 < huebi> thalerim: Then You should be a MASTER
00:39 * _NULL leaves you now.
00:39 < _NULL> cu. gn8
00:39 < huebi> cu ow
00:39 < thalerim> no, I wasn't fallen into the kettle of magical trank that was provied by Mathilda as you was, so ... i am not the Master at all
00:39 < thalerim> gn8
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00:40 < thalerim> s,was,were,2
00:40 < huebi>  ____________________________
00:40 < huebi> < Thalerim. Become a MASTER. >
00:40 < huebi>  ----------------------------
00:40 < huebi>         \   ^__^
00:40 < huebi>          \  (oo)\_______
00:40 < huebi>             (__)\       )\/\
00:40 < huebi>                 ||----w |
00:40 < huebi>                 ||     ||
00:40 < thalerim> at moment i am just an adjurer ... but i am going to increase my skill
00:42 < huebi>  _________________________________________
00:42 < huebi> < Thalerim. You're better than you think. >
00:42 < huebi>  -----------------------------------------
00:42 < huebi>         \   ^__^
00:42 < huebi>          \  (oo)\_______
00:42 < huebi>             (__)\       )\/\
00:42 < huebi>                 ||----w |
00:42 < huebi>                 ||     ||
00:43 < thalerim> i am t... iiired...
00:43 < huebi> thalerim: More coffee.
00:43 < huebi> sleep can't substitute real cafeine
00:44 < thalerim> actually i wanna go sleep, because i 'll have training tomorrow ...
00:46 < huebi> sleep well then.. ;-)
00:49 < huebi> mtx 1.2.16rel added. Program to control tape and MO vchangers
00:54 < thalerim> so, gute nacht
00:54 < huebi> nacht thalerim
00:54 < thalerim> schlaft alle schön ... und huebi, geh früh ins bett ;)
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01:40 < huebi> tach chrisime
01:40 < chrisime> jo
01:41 < chrisime> www.gnome.org/~chrisime/files/pix/Screenshot.png
01:41 < chrisime> sieht nett aus, gell?
01:42 < Ge0rG> das font-rendering sieht etwas komisch aus
01:43 < chrisime> j
01:43 < chrisime> a
01:43 < chrisime> liegt an der schrift -> X
01:43 < chrisime> kann man nix machen
01:43 < chrisime> xft2 wird besser
01:43 < Ge0rG> tahoma nehmen *duck*
01:44 < chrisime> hmm
01:44 < chrisime> hatte comic sans serif
01:45 * Ge0rG hat tahoma und gdk-xft in einer uralt-version, aber es sieht im browser genial aus... allerdings hab ich auch subpixel-rendering aufm TFT
01:46 < chrisime> hab verdana jetyt
01:46 < chrisime> tahoma gibts hier net
01:47 < Ge0rG> tahoma kann man kostenlos von microsoft.com downloaden ;)
01:47 < huebi> chrisime: Gnome2 haelt wohl bald Einzug in 1.5
01:48 < Ge0rG> warum hat man da eigentlich müll auf dem desktop? ;)
01:49 < chrisime> warum_
01:49 < chrisime> so halt
01:50 < chrisime> 1.5
01:50 < chrisime> das ist dann 1.6
01:50 < chrisime> und 1.7 is auch so ne dev version
01:50 < huebi> chrisime: Ist dein neues Tastaturlayout noch ungewohnt? *g*
01:50 < chrisime> (verwirr*
01:50 < chrisime> muss wieder auf us key umstellen
01:51 < chrisime> wollt nur ¤ probieren
01:51 < huebi> chrisime: gut so.
01:51 < chrisime> so
01:51 < chrisime> amikeymap wieder
01:51 < huebi> 1.5 wird jetzt sehr bald 1.6
01:51 < huebi> 1.6.0 ist dann die offizielle stabile Rocklinux version.
01:52 < chrisime> werd ich mir dann draufknallen
01:52 < huebi> Es braucht noch so einiges an bugfixes und an Erweiterungen fuer die Benutzerfreundlichkeit.
01:52 < chrisime> ajo
01:53 < chrisime> schon gesehen was openbsd macht
01:53 < chrisime> bzw. n paar jungs
01:53 < huebi> chrisime: Freut mich das zu hoeren.
01:53 < chrisime> www.gobie.net
01:54 < chrisime> aufm laptop hab ich gentoo momentan
01:54 < chrisime> ist recht net
01:54 < chrisime> t
01:54 < chrisime> und v.a. flott
01:54 < chrisime> und sehr klein
01:54 < chrisime> 9 MB wenn der kernel mit allem hochgeladen ist
01:54 < chrisime> und 35 wenn gnome mit X da ist
01:55 < huebi> mit rocklinux hast du das aehnlich klein. Und du kannst es dir selber einfacher zusammenstellen. Rocklinux ist sozusagen besser als Distributionsbuildkit zu sehen
01:56 < chrisime> gentoo ist auch ziemlich feinkoernig zu konfigurieren
01:56 < chrisime> laeuft endlich zufriedenstellend nach 2 anlaeufen
01:56 < huebi> jo, stimmt.
01:57 < chrisime> und die sind seeeeeehr aktuell mit den portages
01:57 < huebi> rock 1.5 ist aktueller *g*
01:59 < chrisime> sicher?
01:59 < huebi> das mit dem aktuell ist so eine Sache. Oft funktioniert mit dem brandneuiestem Kram irgend etwas wieder nicht mehr.
01:59 < chrisime> ich kanns ja mal just for fun wo raufknallen
01:59 < chrisime> meine pladde is eh leer
01:59 < chrisime> und die andere wo debian drauf war ist schrottware
02:00 < chrisime> 67 GB frei oder so
02:00 < huebi> ftp://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.18/rock-ia32-i586-base+opt-1.5.18.iso <- die neueste
02:00 < chrisime> hmm
02:01 < chrisime> iso brennen
02:01 < chrisime> wie gross
02:01 < chrisime> ?
02:01 < huebi> 569MB
02:01 < huebi> ca
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02:01 < chrisime> is das ccompliziert zum installieren?
02:01 < huebi> jo, alles compiliert.
02:02 < huebi> erm
02:02 < huebi> mein
02:02 < huebi> nein
02:02 < chrisime> i586 gibts net i686?
02:02 < chrisime> alles fertig?
02:02 < huebi> jo, alles fertig
02:03 < huebi> http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/howtos/Rocklinux_installation_de.html
02:05 < chrisime> moment
02:05 < chrisime> muss die daten rueberschaufeln
02:06 < huebi> Ich mach immer nur einen upload von i586. das braucht pro image immer 10 -13h
02:12 < chrisime> ouch
02:12 < chrisime> also
02:12 < chrisime> ich lad mal die 10 gigs aufm laptop
02:16 < chrisime> hast glueck dass die pladden schnell sind
02:16 < chrisime> die eine hat knapp 50 MB/s *g*
02:16 < huebi> nett
02:17 < chrisime> jo
02:17 < chrisime> ist n edles stueck
02:17 < chrisime> 8 MB cache
02:17 < chrisime> da geht was
02:18 < huebi> jo, sowas macht richtig Spass
02:18 < chrisime> mhm
02:18 < chrisime> v.a. hoff ich dass die net den geist aufgibt
02:18 < chrisime> die IBM sind ja schrecklich geworden :*(
02:19 < huebi> ACK
02:19 < chrisime> ic35 reihe gehoert aus dem verkehr
02:19 * chrisime held
02:20 < chrisime> ich habs mounten vergessen und wundere mich dass schon no space left ist
02:20 < huebi> weia
02:20 < chrisime> die im laptop is au net
02:20 < chrisime> die hoert man net
02:20 < chrisime> gelgelagert oder so
02:20 < chrisime> is ne toshiba is au leiser als die ibm die ich erst drin hatte
02:21 < huebi> fluidbearings.
02:21 < chrisime> gibts leider nur bis 20 GB
02:21 < chrisime> und s gibt schon 60er mittlerweile
02:21 < chrisime> ich haett die ibm mit 48 GB recht gern
02:22 < huebi> 200GB gibts schon in 2.5" von IGM. Aber nur als muster
02:22 < chrisime> 200GB?
02:22 < huebi> jo
02:22 < chrisime> da gibts jetzt grad mal ne desktop version von WD
02:22 < huebi> 400 in 3.5"
02:22 < chrisime> kostet 400eier
02:23 < chrisime> ich glaub ich lass die pladde richten, verkauf die und kauf mir noch ne 80er
02:23 < huebi> jo,
02:23 < chrisime> waaaaas?
02:23 < chrisime> schon wieder voll!
02:24 < chrisime> *kratz*
02:25 < chrisime> der hat wieder auf / kopiert
02:25 < chrisime> der hirsch
02:26 < chrisime> argh
02:33 < huebi> n8
02:33 < chrisime> oh
02:34 < chrisime> na dann
02:34 < chrisime> ich reiss dir die birne runter
02:34 < chrisime> wenn was danach net geht
02:34 < chrisime> ;)
02:34 < huebi> *g*
02:34 < chrisime> hmpf
02:34 < chrisime> wollt ins bett
02:34 < chrisime> wird wieder nix
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05:23 < sockmonk> hi everyone
05:24 < sockmonk> ping
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07:38 < Hioki> hello world
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10:58 < huebi> moin zusammen.
10:58 < huebi> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/ps-08.08.02-000/ <- *LOOL*
11:17 < rxr> re
11:18 < huebi> moin rene
11:19 < rxr> moin
11:19 < rxr> just my dayly email session ...
11:19 < huebi> nice. ;-)
11:20 < huebi> I think it would be a good idea to get the kernel configuration of 1.7 backported to 1.5. Nice issue for Wien.
11:25 < rxr> I'll be not there ...
11:26 < huebi> I know. But what do you think about it?
11:26 < huebi> The Sparc64 configuration is, at least for me, unchangeable.
11:26 < rxr> sure - it should be backported correctly ...
11:27 < huebi> ok. I'll do my best on that issue in Wien.
11:27 < rxr> ok - me offline - cu
11:28 < huebi> cu rxr
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11:36 < holyolli> moin
11:38 < huebi>  _________________
11:38 < huebi> < Hallo, holyolli >
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11:38 < huebi>    \   \_\_    _/_/
11:38 < huebi>     \      \__/
11:38 < huebi>            (oo)\_______
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11:38 < huebi> 
11:38 < holyolli> *fg*
11:39 < holyolli> huhu huebi :))
11:39 < Ge0rG> hi folks
11:39 < huebi> hi Ge0rG
11:40 < holyolli> hi Ge0rG
12:12 < holyolli> cya l8ter
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12:41 < [anders]> 2.4.20-pre1-ac1 available.. -pre1 has some Sparc and Sparc64 fixes in it..
12:43 < Ge0rG> maybe the soundchip on the krups ebus finally works? ;)
12:44 < [anders]> dunno.. was just browsing the 2.4.20 log.. :)
12:48 < huebi> moin [anders] ;-) Nice to see you.
13:05 < [anders]> huebi: hello there Andreas, how are you today? :)
13:06 < huebi> fine.
13:06 * [anders] watched Lord of the Rings last night.. It really is an excellent film..
13:08 < huebi> I meet a friend this evening. He will give me his movies for the develop meeting in Vienna. ~300 CDs and 2x80GB disks
13:10 < [anders]> hehehe, should take a while to look through all that..
13:11 < huebi> Yes. ;-)
13:12 < huebi> [anders]: I only have an upload speed of ~1MByte/s. If you want some you can get them next week.
13:15 < [anders]> huebi: nah, it's alright.. But thanks for the offer.. :)
13:16 < [anders]> I don't watch films that often, there isn't enough time in the day to do all I would like to do..
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13:17 < [anders]> LotR is such a good film though I could watch it over and over again...
13:17 < ghostboy> hello all
13:17 < [anders]> The bit when they are in the mines of Moria is very very good.. :)
13:17 < [anders]> moin ghostboy
13:17 < huebi> I know that time issue, too. I don't watch films often, I even have no TV. There are 2 TV-cards but I don't like to through a cable through the whole flat.
13:18 < ghostboy> i need some redhat help
13:18 < [anders]> ghostboy: what's the question? (can't guarantee correct answer.. )
13:18 < [anders]> I'll try though. :)
13:19 < ghostboy> i need to know how to set up my DVD in redhat
13:19 < huebi> ghostboy: Ask. I have a still not opend 7.2 laying here arround.
13:19 < ghostboy> i got 7.3
13:19 < ghostboy> kde has had a bit of a rev
13:19 < huebi> ghostboy: What do you want to do exactly?
13:19 < [anders]> ghostboy: define 'set up DVD'
13:20 < ghostboy> well it knows i have a cdrom, well 2 actually
13:20 < ghostboy> but one is actually a advd
13:20 < ghostboy> and when i try to run xine
13:20 < ghostboy> it says i dont have one
13:20 < ghostboy> so im presuming its not set up
13:20 < ghostboy> :(
13:20 < [anders]> ghostboy: ln -s /dev/cdrom0 /dev/dvd   (if cdrom0 is your DVD drive)
13:21 < [anders]> IIRC xine looks for /dev/dvd to play films..
13:21 < ghostboy> whats ln?
13:21 < ghostboy> link?
13:21 < [anders]> yep
13:21 < huebi> o_O
13:21 < ghostboy> in fstab there in no entry for /dev/etc
13:21 < ghostboy> its all /dev/cdrom
13:22 < ghostboy> none                    /dev/pts                devpts  gid=5,mode=620  0 0
13:22 < ghostboy> none                    /proc                   proc    defaults        0 0
13:22 < ghostboy> none                    /dev/shm                tmpfs   defaults        0 0
13:22 < ghostboy> /dev/hda6               swap                    swap    defaults        0 0
13:22 < ghostboy> /dev/cdrom              /mnt/cdrom              iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0
13:22 < ghostboy> /dev/cdrom1             /mnt/cdrom1             iso9660 noauto,owner,kudzu,ro 0 0
13:22 < ghostboy> /dev/fd0                /mnt/floppy             auto    noauto,owner,kudzu 0 0
13:22 < ghostboy> /dev/hdb1               /mnt/vfat               vfat    defaults        1 1
13:22 < ghostboy> but one is a dvd
13:22 < huebi> ghostboy: which one?
13:22 < ghostboy> ill find out
13:22 < huebi> I bet /dev/cdrom1
13:23 < ghostboy> its /dev/cdrom
13:23 < [anders]> ghostboy: /dev/cdrom is perhaps already a symlink to /dev/cdrom0
13:23 < ghostboy> soz
13:23 < [anders]> ghostboy: in that case, "ln -s /dev/cdrom /dev/dvd"
13:24 < ghostboy> now?
13:24 < ghostboy> now what
13:24 < [anders]> try xine again.. :)
13:24 < ghostboy> one sec :)
13:24 * [anders] is sure that this is mentioned in the Xine README...
13:25 < [anders]> long time since I built Xine.. version 0.5 something I think.. :)
13:26 < ghostboy> now it says there is no xine-ui avaliable
13:26 < ghostboy> i guess i need to get that
13:26 < ghostboy> off the net
13:27 < ghostboy> will the link still be good after reboot
13:28 < ghostboy> hello?
13:28 < huebi> ghostboy: jo
13:28 < ghostboy> what happened?
13:28 < huebi> if you don't use devfs
13:29 < ghostboy> whats devfs?
13:29 < th> a virtual filesystem for device-files
13:29 < th> moin
13:29 < huebi> moin th
13:29 < ghostboy> thanks
13:30 < huebi> ghostboy: "ls /dev/* |wc -l"
13:30 < huebi> ghostboy: what number do you get?
13:31 < th> hehehe
13:31 < ghostboy> 14217
13:31 < th> that NO devfs
13:31 < ghostboy> is this a joke on the noob lol
13:31 < th> no
13:31 < th> with devfs the device-files are structured
13:31 < th> there are some directories
13:32 < huebi> ghostboy: Definitly no devfs.
13:32 < ghostboy> oh lol, how do i change my hostname to survive a reboot?
13:32 < th> ghostboy: hostname is set on boot. most distributions set it from content of /et/HOSTNAME
13:33 < huebi> vi /etc/HOSTNAME <- put your hostname in it.
13:33 < ghostboy> there is no /etc/HOSTNAME , should i create one?
13:33 < th> no
13:33 < ghostboy> so then what?
13:33 < th> you should have a look where your distributions sets the hostname
13:33 < th> ghostboy: what distribution?
13:33 < ghostboy> well...
13:33 < ghostboy> RH 7.3
13:34 < th> do you have /etc/init.d
13:34 < th> ?
13:34 < ghostboy> yeah
13:34 < ghostboy> of course
13:34 < th> cd into it
13:34 < th> and "grep hostname *"
13:35 < ghostboy> nothing
13:35 < th> very strange
13:35 < ghostboy> anacron  cups       ipchains   kudzu    nfslock  random      smb        xfs
13:35 < ghostboy> apmd     functions  iptables   lpd      nscd     rawdevices  snmpd      xinetd
13:35 < ghostboy> atd      gpm        kdcrotate  netfs    ntpd     rhnsd       snmptrapd  ypbind
13:35 < ghostboy> autofs   halt       keytable   network  portmap  sendmail    syslog
13:35 < ghostboy> crond    identd     killall    nfs      radvd    single      winbind
13:35 < ghostboy> thats my init.d
13:35 < ghostboy> there is a command  hostname <name>
13:35 < ghostboy> but it doesnt survive a reboot
13:35 < th> yea and it sets the hostname. but it must be called for every boot
13:36 < ghostboy> yeah
13:36 < th> so it should be done via init-scripts
13:36 < huebi> "grep hostname /etc/*"
13:36 < ghostboy> oh
13:36 < th> or "grep -r hostname /etc"
13:36 < huebi> or "grep -rl hostname /etc"
13:36 < huebi> ;-)
13:36 < th> huebi: these fscking "i-do-it-another-way"-distributions...
13:36 < huebi> th ACK ACK ACK
13:36 < ghostboy> halt
13:36 < ghostboy> ipchains
13:36 < ghostboy> rhnsd
13:37 < ghostboy> [root@dhcppc3 init.d]# cd ..
13:37 < ghostboy> [root@dhcppc3 etc]# cd ..
13:37 < ghostboy> [root@dhcppc3 /]# grep hostname /etc/*"
13:37 < ghostboy> >
13:37 < ghostboy> [root@dhcppc3 /]# grep -r hostname /etc*
13:37 < ghostboy> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup:    if need_hostname; then
13:37 < ghostboy> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup:       PUMPARGS="${PUMPARGS} --lookup-hostname"
13:37 < ghostboy> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-wireless:    NICKNAME=`/bin/hostname`
13:37 < ghostboy> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-post:# don't set hostname on ppp/slip connections
13:37 < ghostboy> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-post:    if need_hostname; then
13:37 < ghostboy> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-post:       eval `/bin/ipcalc --silent --hostname ${IPADDR}`
13:37 < ghostboy> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-post:           set_hostname $HOSTNAME
13:37 < ghostboy> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/network-functions:need_hostname()
13:37 < ghostboy> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/network-functions:    if [ "`hostname`" = "(none)" -o "`hostname`" = "localhost" -o \
13:37 < ghostboy> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/network-functions:        "`hostname`" = "localhost.localdomain" ]; then
13:37 < ghostboy> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/network-functions:set_hostname()
13:37 < ghostboy> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/network-functions:    hostname $1
13:37 < ghostboy> /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess:#  pattern         list of hostnames and/or macros ...
13:37 < ghostboy> /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess:#  pattern         CHOOSER list of hostnames and/or macros ...
13:37 < th> ok
13:37 < ghostboy> Binary file /etc/X11/X matches
13:37 < th> enough
13:37 < ghostboy> /etc/csh.cshrc:    set prompt=\[`id -nu`@`hostname -s`\]\$\
13:37 < ghostboy> /etc/csh.login:setenv HOSTNAME `/bin/hostname`
13:37 < ghostboy> /etc/profile:HOSTNAME=`/bin/hostname`
13:37 < ghostboy> /etc/services:hostname  101/tcp         hostnames       # usually from sri-nic
13:37 < ghostboy> /etc/services:hostname  101/udp         hostnames       # usually from sri-nic
13:37 < ghostboy> /etc/rc.d/rc:#               things, such as setting the hostname.
13:37 < ghostboy> /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit:HOSTNAME=`/bin/hostname`
13:37 < ghostboy> /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit:# Set the hostname.
13:37 < ghostboy> /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit:action $"Setting hostname ${HOSTNAME}: " hostname ${HOSTNAME}
13:37 < ghostboy> /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit:   # Reset the hostname.
13:37 < ghostboy> /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit:   action $"Resetting hostname ${HOSTNAME}: " hostname ${HOSTNAME}
13:37 < ghostboy> Binary file /etc/alternatives/mta matches
13:37 < th> ahhh
13:37 < ghostboy> Binary file /etc/alternatives/mta-mailq matches
13:38 < ghostboy> Binary file /etc/alternatives/mta-newaliases matches
13:38 < th> it's getting interestin
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/cron.daily/00-logwatch:      $HostName = `hostname`;
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/mail/helpfile:helo HELO <hostname>
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/mail/helpfile:ehlo EHLO <hostname>
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/mail/helpfile:etrn ETRN [ <hostname> | @<domain> | #<queuename> ]
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/mail/helpfile:etrn         Run the queue for the specified <hostname>, or
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/mail/helpfile:-bt  /canon hostname  :try to canonify hostname.
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/info-dir:* hostname: (sh-utils)hostname invocation.      Print or set system name.
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/rc:#               things, such as setting the hostname.
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/cups/client.conf:# ServerName: the hostname of your server.  By default CUPS will use the
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/cups/client.conf:# hostname of the system or the value of the CUPS_SERVER environment
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/cups/cupsd.conf:# ServerName: the hostname of your server, as advertised to the world.
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/cups/cupsd.conf:# By default CUPS will use the hostname of the system.
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/cups/cupsd.conf:# By default CUPS will use "root@hostname".
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/cups/cupsd.conf:#    Listen hostname
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/cups/cupsd.conf:#    Listen hostname:80
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/cups/cupsd.conf:#    Listen hostname:631
13:38 < th> ghostboy: STOP IT
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/cups/cupsd.conf:# fully-qualified hostname.  This defaults to Off for performance reasons...
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/cups/cupsd.conf:# The hostname/domainname restrictions only work if you have turned hostname
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/cups/cupsd.conf:# Allow: allows access from the specified hostname, domain, IP address, or
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/cups/cupsd.conf:# Deny: denies access from the specified hostname, domain, IP address, or
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/cups/cupsd.conf:# The host and domain address require that you enable hostname lookups
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/cups/printers.conf:#DeviceURI socket://hostname:port
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/cups/printers.conf:#DeviceURI tftp://hostname/path
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/cups/printers.conf:#DeviceURI ftp://hostname/path
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/cups/printers.conf:#DeviceURI http://hostname[:port]/path
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/cups/printers.conf:#DeviceURI ipp://hostname/path
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/cups/printers.conf:#DeviceURI smb://hostname/printer
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/sendmail.cf:# shall we sort the queue by hostname first?
13:38 < ghostboy> /etc/sendmail.cf:# hostnames ending in class P are always canonical
13:39 < ghostboy> /etc/sendmail.cf:# pass to name server to make hostname canonical
13:39 < ghostboy> /etc/sendmail.cf:###  check_relay -- check hostname/address on SMTP startup
13:39 < ghostboy> /etc/sendmail.cf:# handle non-DNS hostnames (*.bitnet, *.decnet, *.uucp, etc)
13:39 < ghostboy> /etc/sendmail.cf:# pass to name server to make hostname canonical
13:39 < ghostboy> /etc/rc.sysinit:HOSTNAME=`/bin/hostname`
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13:39 < huebi> /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit <- Thats it.
13:39 <@th> yea
13:39 < huebi> th: danke
13:39 <@th> ich hab nix getan
13:40 < huebi> chanserve war schneller
13:40 <@th> noe
13:40 <@th> ich hab mir nur bei chanserv nen op geholt
13:40 <@th> aber opn hat ihn wegen floodens gekantet
13:40 < huebi> Ah so geht das.
13:40 -!- ghostboy [~chatzilla@c17860.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #rocklinux
13:40 < ghostboy> soz
13:40 < ghostboy> i cut and paste in one go
13:40 < huebi> ghostboy: NEVER DO THIS AGAIN, please.
13:41 < ghostboy> lol
13:41 < ghostboy> soz
13:41 < huebi> /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit <- Thats it.
13:41 <@th> ghostboy: and now have a look to your /etc/rc.sysinit
13:41 <@th> aehm
13:41 <@th> whereever
13:43 < huebi> ghostboy: If there is a file "/etc/HOSTNAME" is mentioned then "vi /etc/HOSTNAME" and put the name in it.
13:43 < ghostboy> there are a few times in the script where it sets the host name, but i can find where it gets it from
13:43 < ghostboy> there is no /etc/HOSTNAME
13:43 < ghostboy> HOSTNAME=`/bin/hostname`
13:43 < ghostboy> that is the first variable
13:44 < huebi> ghostboy: Put the file online somewhere and paste only the url of it.
13:44 < ghostboy> ok, one min
13:47 < ghostboy> http://iweb1.cs.rmit.edu.au:57055/itsnothere.html
13:47 < ghostboy> its not very readable
13:47 < ghostboy> one sec
13:48 < ghostboy> there
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13:49 < huebi> moin SMP
13:50 < huebi> ghostboy: execute "/bin/hostname" please
13:51 < ghostboy> it sets it but it doesnt keep it
13:51 < huebi> ghostboy: then 'echo "computer" > /etc/HOSTNAME'
13:51 < huebi> ghostboy: the output please
13:52 < ghostboy> there is no /etc/HOSTNAME
13:52 <@th> it will be created by that command
13:52 < huebi> ghostboy: execute "/bin/hostname" please
13:52 < huebi> and give the output.
13:52 < ghostboy> [root@dhcppc3 rc.d]# hostname
13:52 < ghostboy> valhalla
13:52 < huebi> ok. now:
13:53 < huebi> ghostboy: then 'echo "computer" > /etc/HOSTNAME'
13:53 < ghostboy> [root@dhcppc3 rc.d]# 'echo "computer" > /etc/HOSTNAME'
13:53 < ghostboy> bash: echo "computer" > /etc/HOSTNAME: No such file or directory
13:53 < huebi> touch /etc/HOSTNAME
13:53 <@th> arg
13:53 < ghostboy> i can create it
13:53 <@th> ghostboy: you should not type the `
13:53 <@th> just type what was inside the `
13:53 < ghostboy> oooopps
13:54 <@th> and no need to touch /etc/HOSTNAME
13:54 < ghostboy> [root@dhcppc3 etc]# echo "valhalla" > /etc/HOSTNAME
13:54 < ghostboy> [root@dhcppc3 etc]# cat HOSTNAME
13:54 < ghostboy> valhalla
13:54 < ghostboy> i dont think it stands a reboot
13:54 <@th> ghostboy: your unix-experience can't be greater than half an hour, hein?
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13:54 < ghostboy> lol
13:54 < ghostboy> ive had a bit
13:55 < ghostboy> but i just shed the shackels of windows
13:55 <@th> so now continue to follow huebi's instructions ;)
13:55 < ghostboy> lol
13:55 < ghostboy> :)
13:55 < ghostboy> rm -r
13:56 < huebi> ghostboy: /bin/hostname
13:56 < ghostboy> [root@dhcppc3 etc]# /bin/hostname
13:56 < ghostboy> valhalla
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13:56 < ghostboy> i dont think it will survive a reboot
13:57 < huebi> ghostboy: echo "computer" > /etc/HOSTNAME
13:57 < ghostboy> [root@dhcppc3 etc]# cat HOSTNAME
13:57 < ghostboy> valhalla
13:57 < ghostboy> its there
13:57 < ghostboy> but i put it there, and there was not HOSTNAME
13:57 < huebi> just do it. I know whats there.
13:58 < ghostboy> [root@dhcppc3 etc]# echo "valhalla" > /etc/HOSTNAME
13:58 < ghostboy> yeah
13:58 < huebi> ok
13:58 < ghostboy> and ...
13:58 < huebi> ghostboy: /bin/hostname
13:58 <@th> huebi: hmm you don't believe hostname queries /etc/HOSTNAME?
13:59 < ghostboy> [root@dhcppc3 etc]# echo "test" > /etc/HOSTNAME
13:59 < ghostboy> [root@dhcppc3 etc]# /bin/hostname
13:59 < huebi> I think hostname reads HOSTNAME in RH
13:59 < ghostboy> valhalla
13:59 < ghostboy> it doesnt
13:59 < ghostboy> i changed it to test to show you
13:59 <@th> well you put valhalla in it
13:59 < ghostboy> hostname <name> sets it
14:00 < ghostboy> i did after i set it with hostname
14:00 < ghostboy> [root@dhcppc3 etc]# echo "test" > /etc/HOSTNAME
14:00 < ghostboy> [root@dhcppc3 etc]# /bin/hostname
14:00 < ghostboy> valhalla
14:00 < ghostboy> this was run as is
14:00 <@th> ok
14:00 < ghostboy> i know its like that in slackware
14:00 <@th> gimme that url again please
14:01 < huebi> /bin/hostname -F `cat /etc/HOSTNAME`
14:01 < ghostboy> i just removed it
14:01 < ghostboy> one sec
14:01 <@th> huebi: NO
14:01 <@th> huebi: -F /etc/HOSTNAME
14:01 <@th> not `cat ...`
14:01 < huebi> th: ack
14:01 < huebi> sorry
14:01 <@th> huebi: /bin/hostname does not read /etc/HOSTNAME
14:02 <@th> huebi: it's from uname
14:02 < ghostboy> [root@dhcppc3 etc]# /bin/hostname -F /etc/HOSTNAME
14:02 < ghostboy> [root@dhcppc3 etc]# hostname
14:02 < ghostboy> test
14:02 <@th> there must be a point where /bin/hostname is used to set the hostname from bootup
14:02 <@th> ghostboy: yea but that doesn't help
14:02 < ghostboy> ill read the man pages
14:02 <@th> ghostboy: please gimme taht url again
14:03 < ghostboy> k ill set it again
14:03 < huebi> /bin/hostname -F /etc/HOSTNAME <- This line must be used in a script run before rc.sysinit.
14:03 <@th> huebi: might be /etc/rc
14:03 < huebi> http://iweb1.cs.rmit.edu.au:57055/itsnothere.html
14:04 <@th> just get 404
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14:04 <@th> ghostboy: please put your /etc/rc online for me
14:04 < ghostboy> hold on
14:04 < ghostboy> there
14:05 <@th> ack
14:05 < ghostboy> ive got a quize for you guys
14:05 <@th> you don't need to html format it
14:05 <@th> i'm reading it by wget -O - url | vim -
14:05 <@th> the <pre> is not more than funny
14:05 < ghostboy> well....
14:05 < ghostboy> lol
14:05 <@th> is this /etc/rc?
14:06 <@th> no
14:06 <@th> it's /etc/rc.sysinit
14:06 < ghostboy> as  etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit
14:06 <@th> ghostboy: gimme your /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit now
14:06 < ghostboy> that is it
14:06 <@th> so they are the same?
14:06 <@th> ok
14:06 <@th> so give me your /etc/rc now
14:06 < ghostboy> i think
14:06 < ghostboy> ok
14:06 <@th> don't think! be sure or check it!
14:06 < ghostboy> lol
14:07 < ghostboy> ok
14:07 < ghostboy> thats under rc.html
14:08 <@th> stop naming them html...
14:08 <@th> oh boy.
14:08 <@th> ok
14:09 < ghostboy> rc_sysinit.html
14:09 < ghostboy> soz, i want to see too lol
14:10 <@th> it not necc. that it is calle html to see it
14:10 < ghostboy> how then?
14:10 <@th> just copy them without renaming
14:11 <@th> ok /etc/rc is just for rc.d stuff
14:11 < ghostboy> oh, ok
14:11 < ghostboy> i c
14:11 < ghostboy> no more .html
14:12 <@th> so who calls rc.sysinit
14:12 < ghostboy> me
14:12 < ghostboy> lol
14:12 < ghostboy> i have no idea
14:12 <@th> ghostboy: do you get output on "diff /etc/rc.sysinit /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit"?
14:12 < ghostboy> what can a unix box do that a no
14:12 < ghostboy> no
14:13 < ghostboy> what can a unix box do taht a windows one cant?
14:13 <@th> ghostboy: you could set up a nonprivileged user account it would make things a lot easier
14:13 < ghostboy> ive been having a debate
14:13 <@th> a unix box can do all you want
14:13 <@th> a windows box can do all it wants
14:14 < ghostboy> ok ill set it up
14:15 < ghostboy> how do i make it
14:15 < ghostboy> lol
14:15 < ghostboy> so its nonprivelaged?
14:16 < ghostboy> im serious about the windows unix thing
14:16 < ghostboy> im haveing a debate
14:16 <@th> my answer was serious
14:16 <@th> it's unprivileged by default
14:17 <@th> just don't give me you root-password
14:17 < ghostboy> there user th, pass th
14:21 <@th> ghostboy: gimme your /etc/sysconfig/network
14:21 < ghostboy> [root@dhcppc3 sysconfig]# cat network
14:21 < ghostboy> NETWORKING=yes
14:21 < ghostboy> HOSTNAME=localhost.localdomain
14:21 < ghostboy> lol there it
14:21 < ghostboy> is
14:21 < ghostboy> i think
14:22 < ghostboy> is that it
14:22 <@th> seems so
14:22 < ghostboy> ill try
14:22 < ghostboy> i guess ill have to reboot to see
14:23 <@th> yes
14:23 < ghostboy> ill be back, thanks again everyone
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14:24 < plfiorini> hi
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14:28 < ghostboy> [root@valhalla xine-ui-0.9.13]# :)
14:28 < ghostboy> root@valhalla  :)
14:28 < ghostboy> thank you
14:28 <@th> no matterm kid
14:28 <@th> no matter, kid
14:29 < ghostboy> you make my day
14:29 < ghostboy> now how can i explain to a windows man that windows sucks
14:29 <@th> that's not possible most times
14:29 < ghostboy> lol, true
14:30 <@th> and in my opinion not needed
14:30 < ghostboy> how can we use voice?
14:30 <@th> voice?
14:30 < ghostboy> true for most, but this is a really stubborn windows man
14:30 < ghostboy> cant we use voice in irc now?
14:31 <@th> why should we?
14:31 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+v ghostboy] by th
14:31 <@th> here you are
14:31 <@th> *shrug*
14:31 <+ghostboy> lol
14:32 <+ghostboy> so tell me waht unix can but mr bill cant
14:32 <@th> "be understood"
14:32 <+ghostboy> well
14:33 <@th> i mean it
14:33 <+ghostboy> how do i transfer files in irc?
14:33 <@th> i don't know how you do that
14:33 <@th> i don't
14:33 <+ghostboy> i know there is a way
14:33 <@th> yes there is
14:34 <@th> but i don't use it. and i don't know whether you do
14:34 <+ghostboy> back to google lol
14:34 <@th> ghostboy: you should start asking precise questions
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14:35 <+ghostboy> moin crazynd
14:35 <@th> ghostboy: i would have answered that you are looking for /dcc send and /dcc get
14:35 <+ghostboy> yes
14:35 < crazynd> cheers
14:35 <+ghostboy> lol
14:35 <+ghostboy> so send me something interesting
14:35 <@th> no i won't
14:36 <@th> as i set i don't use dcc to transfer files in irc
14:36 <@th> s,set,said,
14:36 <+ghostboy> why?
14:36 <@th> why should i?
14:36 <+ghostboy> well
14:37 <@th> it's very easy for me to put a file on a webserver
14:37 <@th> so one can get it
14:37 <+ghostboy> fair enough
14:37 <+ghostboy> so are you into hacking?
14:38 <@th> oh boy. do you know what hacking is?
14:38 <+ghostboy> ...
14:38 <+ghostboy> phreaking cracking hacking
14:38 <+ghostboy> ...
14:38 <+ghostboy> i am doing computer science
14:38 < crazynd> hehe
14:38 <@th> ghostboy: you do NOT know what hacking is
14:38 <+ghostboy> im just not very experieced with unix
14:38 <+ghostboy> or with hacking
14:39 <+ghostboy> 3rd year
14:39 <@th> ghostboy: www.jargon.org read something about what a hacker is
14:41 <@th> ghostboy: perhaps you should try www.dict.org and lookup hacker in the jargon file
14:41 <+ghostboy> ok
14:42 <+ghostboy> so introduce me
14:42 <@th> introduce you into what?
14:43 <+ghostboy> the 'world of hacking'
14:43 <@th> there is nothing to introduce
14:44 <@th> ghostboy: you don't know what you are talking about
14:44 <@th> ghostboy: lookup hacker at www.dict.org
14:44 <+ghostboy> hacker
14:44 <+ghostboy>        n 1: someone who plays golf poorly :)
14:44 <+ghostboy> 2: a programmer for whom computing is its own reward; may enjoy
14:44 <+ghostboy>           the challenge of breaking into other computers
14:45 <+ghostboy> 3: one who works hard at boring tasks [syn: hack, drudge]
14:45 <+ghostboy> im guessing the golf one
14:45 <@th> ack
14:45 <@th> so i can't introduce you into the world of playing golf poorly
14:45 <@th> sorry
14:46 <+ghostboy> lol
14:46 <+ghostboy> i can do that myself
14:46 <+ghostboy> so are you into the security thing?
14:46 * th escapes.
14:46 <+ghostboy> do you like finding weaknesses in computer security
14:47 * th is not here.
14:47 <+ghostboy> lol
14:47 <+ghostboy> well
14:48 <+ghostboy> ...
14:48 <+ghostboy> anyway, ive got to go. thank you again
14:48 <+ghostboy> cya
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14:50 < holyolli> re
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15:03 < rolla> re
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15:05 < thalerim> moin all
15:08 < thalerim> mh ... is the author (or current maintainer, however) of the ROCK Guide here sometimes?
15:23 < holyolli> esden?
15:23 < thalerim> dunno..
15:24 < thalerim> one is pjotr and piotr ... eeeh
15:24 < holyolli> ups
15:25 < holyolli> sorry..thalerim...i didn't want to answer...i wanted to get esden on his keyboard
15:25 < holyolli> =)
15:25 < thalerim> good excuse
15:26 < holyolli> hehe
15:27 < tomik> esden: :)
15:30 < thalerim> er scheint verhindert
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15:30 < Mike1> moin
15:30 < thalerim> s,v\(.\)r\(.*\),b\1\2,
15:30 < thalerim> ;)
15:30 < thalerim> moin Mike1
15:32 < thalerim> weel, i must leave now ... maybe see you this evening
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15:33 < holyolli> hi Mike1
15:41 <@th> hi Mike1
15:43 < Mike1> hi th all mighty chan operator :)
15:45 <@th> ouhm
15:45 <@th> it's just been because that kid...
15:45 -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o th] by th
15:46 < Mike1> th?
15:46 < th> jo?
15:46 < Mike1> what kid?
15:46 < th> the one that joined some hours agpo
15:46 < th> and flooded the channel
15:47 < Mike1> so you kicked his ass?
15:47 < th> irc-server disconnected him because of flood just a second before i was armed
15:48 < Mike1> haha
15:48 * Mike1 browsing logs :)
15:51 < th> "ghostboy" was the one
15:53 < Mike1> th: yeah it wasnt hard to find
15:53 < Mike1> damn what a flood!
15:53 < Mike1> funny thing is... why the fsck would someone join #rocklinux to asking for help on red hat...
15:54 < rolla> :)
15:54 < th> don't know that either ;)
15:54 < Mike1> is just like if i joined #mandrake asking how does the Build-Target script works
15:55 < th> not that i would have a problem with rathead...
15:55 < th> i think it's because i don't have problems with things i don't touch ;)
15:55 < Mike1> th: sure rh is a nice user friendly distro, i have no problem with it cuz i dont use it :)
15:55 < Mike1> hehe same here
15:56 < th> it's the opposite when talking of women
15:56 < Mike1> lol of course
15:56 < th> "don't have problems with things i don't tocuh" ;->
15:56 < Mike1> too bad owl isnt here *g
15:56 < th> hey cool, i got my cynism back..
15:57 < th> reason enough to start hacking at once.
15:57 < Mike1> btw did i already told you that there are new Sun Cobalts comming up in about a week or so?
15:58 < Mike1> they no longer run only rh on them.. i am moving contacts over here with SUN, might get the chance to get one of those rocked :)
15:59 < th> Mike1: can't await getting the hardware shipped from your site.
15:59 < Mike1> th :) i know
16:00 < Mike1> th i think it would be cool to get involved into making a projecto to run rock on those machines
16:01 < Mike1> and make some web-interface dummy admin aplications
16:01 < Mike1> maybe with php
16:01 < th> Mike1: hmmm shouldn't this be an almost trivial task?
16:01 < th> or what do you mean by "project"?
16:02 < Mike1> th: project more as in making the admin dummy web tools
16:02 < Mike1> to run under linux
16:02 < Mike1> rock linux
16:02 < th> i hate admin dummy web tools
16:02 < Mike1> and definine a target for it
16:03 < Mike1> th i hate web admin tools as well but pehaps i think it would be a cool thing to get rock on those machines and get people to use it in production enviroments
16:04 < th> ahh you are not talking about a rock-project
16:04 < th> but something in company with sun?
16:04 < Mike1> th not exactly
16:04 < Mike1> is just more like having a rock target or subsdist or whatever you wanna call it with som special features for cobalt
16:05 < Mike1> thought i guess no body else in care about those things i belive could have a big jump on the market with something like that
16:06 * [anders] is having a bad day at the office and his brain is already threatening to explode...
16:06 < Mike1> ah well but in the other hand dummy web tools != rock philosophy so i guess it wont happen here
16:07 < Mike1> [anders]: God morgon
16:07 < [anders]> Mike1: hullo there Miguel, how's things? :)
16:07 * [anders] also had a bad nights sleep last night...
16:07 < th> Mike1: i've no problem with "creating dummy web tools for profit" ;-)
16:07 < Mike1> [anders]: everything great thanks , I'm not busy today !
16:07 < [anders]> th: *g* indeed.. :)
16:07 * Mike1 cant believe it
16:08 < Mike1> th :)
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16:31 < bluefire> Hi
16:31 < holyolli> hi bluefire
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16:58 < holyolli> re Freak
16:58 < holyolli> hi rxr
17:00 < Freak> re
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17:06 < holyolli> huch... hi angel
17:06 < angel|of|chaos> huhu olli
17:08 < angel|of|chaos> wie schauts ?
17:08 < holyolli> och ja....ganz gut eigendlich. und selber?
17:09 < angel|of|chaos> naja so lala
17:09 < angel|of|chaos> läuft nich alles wie es soll
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17:24 < d3mian> hi
17:25 < Mike1> hi d3mian
17:25 < holyolli> hi d3mian
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17:42 * th is away for getting some food
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17:49 * [anders] is not having a good day at the office despite being asked to stay on for another six months (pending the decision on if they'll get funding to pay me)
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17:50 < [anders]> moin owl
17:50 < owl> hi
17:50 < owl> hi [anders]
17:50 < Mike1> hola owl
17:50 < d3mian> hi owl
17:50 < owl> hello all ;)))
17:51 * [anders] is listening to Christina Milian... (she's hot.. ;-)
17:52 < rolla> owl
17:53 < owl> rolla ;)
17:59 * [anders] is having a look at Oakley sunglasses while waiting for about 10 minutes of I/O to complete..
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18:26 < huebi> re
18:26 < d3mian> hi snyke
18:26 < d3mian> hi huebi
18:27 < huebi> hi @ all
18:27 < owl> hi snyke
18:28 * huebi testing webssh
18:28 < huebi> bbl
18:28 < owl> hi huebi
18:30 < Mike1> hey Andreas :)
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19:07 < Hioki> good morning!
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19:08 < owl> hi hioki
19:08 < Hioki> hi owl
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19:25 * Hioki #nvidia
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19:27 < kvak|uninvited> Hello !?
19:28 < owl> hi
19:33 < tomik> hi
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20:09 < blindcoder> konban wa, mina-san!
20:09 < owl> hi blindy
20:24 < Freak> owl: lalala
20:25 < owl> Freak: wo liegt dein problem? ;PPP
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20:27 < Mike1> got a meeting with SUN people in an hour , hope i can get some sponsorship, see you guys tomorrow
20:27 < Mike1> nacht
20:27 < Freak> owl: stinky bavarian miss :)
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20:28 < owl> ./ignore Freak
20:28 < Mike1> Freak: make her open 3 bottles :)
20:28 < Freak> omigod
20:28 < Mike1> bye
20:28 < Freak> heh Mike1
20:28 < blindcoder> Mike1: good luck :)
20:28 < Freak> cu
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20:42 < Freak> I _love_ Julia Stiles.
20:43 < owl> ???
20:43 * owl loves asus l3c...
20:45 < Freak> I was actually talking about non-tech-stuff this time
20:45 < owl> i know :P
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20:59 < tsa> tag
20:59 < owl> moin tsa
20:59 < tsa> moin owl
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21:11 < tsa> hi geo
21:11 < tsa> hi Ge0rG
21:12 < Ge0rG> 'lo tsa :)
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21:14 < snyke> not always so many users ;)
21:15 < Enchanter_tim> :)
21:15 < tsa> hi snyke
21:15 < tsa> hi Enchanter_tim
21:15 < Enchanter_tim> well, I heard about rock on the sane conference, and am just checking things out :)
21:16 < Enchanter_tim> hey tsa
21:21 < Enchanter_tim> hmm.. is there a prebuild environment for mips?
21:21 < Enchanter_tim> I saw something on the site, but I cant find anything on the ftp site
21:22 < tsa> hm...
21:23 < tsa> i don't know....fake is working on the mips stuff AFAIK, but he doesn't seem to be awake..
21:24 < Enchanter_tim> Ill mail him ..
21:25 < Enchanter_tim> im a bit unhappy about installing debian on this machine ..
21:26 < snyke> anybody here having experience in installing joysticks ???????????
21:26 < tsa> no, sorry. don't have one..
21:26 < th> on what target? ;-]
21:29 < Enchanter_tim> heh
21:29 < owl> snyke: bill gates = target???
21:30 < th> don't want to think of targets where one can mount a joystick
21:30 < snyke> no
21:31 < snyke> a user using debian is searching help in our game-channel how to install a joystick
21:31 < snyke> he included ... in kernal but still doesn't work.
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21:38 < mirabile> hi all, I have two questions:
21:39 < mirabile> a) does the default kernel of the rescue .tbz2 have NTFS support?
21:39 < owl> hi mirabile
21:39 < mirabile> b) where can I get a bootdisc image...
21:39 < mirabile> this system is driving me crazy...
21:39 < owl> of rock or drock?? what did you download?
21:39 < mirabile> lilo not booting, NTFS damages...
21:39 < th> mirabile: dd is able to create a bootdisc for you
21:39 < mirabile> rock-rescue-1.3.11 or someting
21:39 < mirabile> th: yes _if_ I had an image
21:40 < th> mirabile: dd if=vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0
21:40 < mirabile> th: the only operating system I can boot has read/write but no creation support for ext2fs... and nor could it execute lilo
21:40 < th> mirabile: you can build vmlinuz from kernel-source
21:40 < mirabile> no _I_ cannot because I only can boot OpenBSD...
21:41 < th> mirabile: so there is no linux installed?
21:41 < th> ah
21:41 < th> mirabile: and you have no other machine available to make a kernel>
21:41 < mirabile> and no, I can't start rdev to modify a vmlinuz directly written to disc either...
21:41 < mirabile> no
21:41 < mirabile> I'm going to make a new distribution, and start with the rock "rescue" image
21:41 < mirabile> as if I would compile rock linux
21:42 < disposable> hi, the doc on rocklinux website says that rocklinux distro can be created on other distributions as well (with a bit of hacking)
21:42 < mirabile> I only have my laptop running OBSD, and the "desktop" box with rock (lilo doesn't work) and a damaged NTFS partition... :(
21:42 < disposable> the question is, is it much more difficult?
21:42 < mirabile> and furthermore I need to save some megabytes off the NTFS partition first
21:42 < mirabile> everything no problem if I had a boot floppy with devfs and ntfs support...
21:43 < mirabile> I tried the debILLian CD from the linuxtag to no success
21:43 < th> disposable: you can install a binary rock.
21:43 < disposable> ehm: i'm a newbie... can you explain?
21:43 < th> mirabile: so what is the rootfs you want to boot?
21:44 < th> disposable: why do you want to build rock on an alien-system when you can install rock from binary-cd and compile it afterwards?
21:44 < mirabile> th: it is on my "desktop" box, ext2fs and from the university in vienna, I don't recall the filename, something like "rock-rescue-i386-1.3.11.tar.bz2"
21:44 < mirabile> the archive is expanded just fine and works, just I have no lilo to boot it
21:45 < mirabile> disposable: it is much like this:
21:45 < mirabile> you back up your data first
21:45 < mirabile> then install a rock linux snapshot
21:45 < mirabile> then restore the data
21:45 < disposable> th: i want to build a distro that would fit on 8cm miniCD, cos i do a lot of travelling and i don't like bootable distros that use ramdisks
21:45 < th> hmmm lilo can boot a tbz2?
21:45 < mirabile> then re-compile to get the latest bleeding edge features
21:45 < d3mian> disposable: u can download the rock-install iso, boot from it and start installation without build anything
21:46 < mirabile> th: no it is a root tarball (/bin /etc etc...)
21:46 < disposable> d3mian: aaaah, that sounds more like it...
21:46 < mirabile> it is the 43MB (IIRC) so-called rescue system containing
21:46 < th> mirabile: i know whats in that rescue-tbz2
21:46 < mirabile> <quote>all you need to build</quote>
21:46 < mirabile> :)
21:46 < mirabile> and to the addition, I HAVE no lilo...
21:47 < mirabile> if you could make a boot floppy (1440k, i386) and send it me, or someting?
21:47 < disposable> d3mian: where can i find that iso?
21:48 < d3mian> disposable: www.rocklinux.org/getting.html
21:48 < disposable> d3mian: ;) oops
21:48 < mirabile> I just need something to dd on a floppy from my openbsd box
21:49 < mirabile> I have these files (vmlinuz, boot.b, lilo.conf) but can't use them :(
21:50 < th> mirabile: and why do you want to use lilo?
21:50 < mirabile> ... because I have to boot a linux kernel?
21:50 < th> you can dd the directly to floppy
21:50 < mirabile> I know I could just write vmlinuz to the disc, BUT
21:50 < th> s,the,the kernel,
21:50 < mirabile> I can't use rdev...
21:51 < th> why? because just bsd?
21:51 < mirabile> so it won't have the correct root
21:51 < mirabile> yup, bsd with no linux emulation installed
21:51 < th> mirabile: ok. use grub
21:51 < mirabile> I neither have grub...
21:51 < th> mirabile: you can download it
21:51 < esden> hi all
21:51 < th> i think
21:51 < owl> hi esden
21:51 < mirabile> it's not in our ports tree, so it probably won't work either
21:52 < d3mian> hi esden
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21:53 < disposable> d3mian: i've tried several mirrors, but i can't find any rock-install iso....
21:53 < mirabile> th, do you at least know whether rock linux has NTFS support by default?
21:53 < th> mirabile: i don't think so. but you can install grub on a disc by just using dd
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21:54 < th> dd if=stage1 of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 count=1 ; dd if=stage2 of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 seek=1
21:54 < mirabile> ... compiling the files first, I assume?
21:54 < th> or get them on the net
21:54 < mirabile> no, I'll try to use the midnight commander in place of rdev
21:55 < mirabile> I've done this years ago, and I know to insert 0301, just I don't recall where...
21:55 < mirabile> now just need to get a kernel with ntfs...
21:55 < mirabile> and the rdev man page
21:55 < mirabile> but the latter should be no problem
21:55 < d3mian> mirabile: copy ntfs modules u need to a floppy and load them from rock
21:56 < mirabile> hey, I don't have any modules, that is my problem
21:56 < disposable> d3mian: i've tried several mirrors, but i can't find any rock-install iso....
21:56 < mirabile> (maybe they
21:56 < mirabile> 're in the image)
21:56 < mirabile> hrm, just how to append "init=/bin/sh" - argh, where are these SuSE images with syslinux? *lol*
21:57 < th> mirabile: grub would be your friend
21:57 < th> mirabile: grub could read the kernel from ntfs
21:58 < mirabile> at least I know how to edit msdosfs files ;)
21:58 < mirabile> eh no, I don't have the _kernel_ on ntfs
21:58 < th> or from fd
21:58 < mirabile> just some data to rescue before I newfs the partition
21:58 < mirabile> I found an old suse bootdisc image somewhere on ftp
21:59 < mirabile> looking whether that'd work
21:59 < mirabile> now, part II, getting a kernel with devfs
22:00 < th> huebi: you removed the rescue tbz2 from the cd, did you?
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22:02 < mirabile> still thank you, at least I found the idea ;)
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22:15 < mirabile> th: nevermind, got it with the suse disc (syslinux.sys) and the rock rescue kernel...
22:15 < mirabile> thanks though
22:15 < mirabile> cu
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22:20 < Ge0rG> ,oO( /ignore *!*@*.opn )
22:20 < tsa> ;)
22:21 < Ge0rG> if I open a new OSS channel, it will be on OFTC...
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22:34 < h0h0> is it really necessary to give your address when buying a domain name?
22:35 < tsa> yes.
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22:58 < tsa> hm..
22:58 < tsa> an irc client with vi-like commands would be really cool.
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23:02 < tsa> hi chrisime
23:02 < chrisime> jo
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23:02 < chrisime> ich hab kein euro
23:02 < chrisime> symbol
23:02 < chrisime> irgendwas spinnt
23:03 < tsa> ich auch nicht.
23:03 < tsa> macht nix.
23:03 < tsa> einfach weiter in DM zaheln ;)
23:03 < chrisime> lol
23:03 < chrisime> naja
23:03 < chrisime> gestern gings
23:03 < owl> hi chrisime
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23:08 < esden> chrisime: hi
23:08 < esden> chrisime: bist du nicht in dem lego projekt ?
23:09 < chrisime> noe
23:09 < chrisime> ham mich rausgeschmissen
23:09 < chrisime> weil ich kein attest hatte wg. monat
23:10 < chrisime> montag
23:10 < chrisime> koennen mich mal
23:10 < chrisime> ich knall mir mal rocklinux 1.5.18 auf die kiste
23:15 < esden> und wieso warst du nicht am montag da ?
23:15 < chrisime> esden: hast du euro?
23:15 < chrisime> esden: arbeit
23:15 < esden> aja
23:15 < chrisime> musste nen server einrichten
23:15 < chrisime> bzw. nety
23:15 < chrisime> netrz
23:15 < chrisime> netz
23:15 < esden> ehh ... euro ???
23:16 < chrisime> euro symbol
23:16 < chrisime> meins will nimmer
23:16 < esden> noe
23:16 < chrisime> PRIVMSG #rocklinux :€
23:16 < chrisime> öäü
23:16 < chrisime> hmm
23:16 < esden> wozu braucht man sowas ...
23:16 < chrisime> ich
23:16 < esden> jaja ... du brauchst auch komische sachen ...
23:17 < chrisime> heh
23:17 < esden> soo .. ich schreibe noch ne email und dann baue ich meinen rechner ab ..
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23:21 < chrisime> aja
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23:28 < esden> soo ... es ist soweit
23:28 < esden> cheers an alle
23:30 < disposable> i would like to build a custom distro for my girlfriend, but i don't know whether rock is the right one. does it have hardware autodetection during installation? (i've never used rocklinux)
23:30 < owl> ciao esden
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23:31 < chrisime> so
23:31 < chrisime> ich hau mal meine kiste an
23:31 < zer0_o> huhu =)
23:32 < owl> eh?
23:32 < zer0_o> <- newbie
23:32 < owl> hi zero
23:32 < zer0_o> rocklinux hat mich gepackt =)
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23:32 < owl> *gg*
23:32 < zer0_o> habs geschafft mit fdsik n paar partitionen zu machen
23:32 < zer0_o> =D
23:32 < owl> willkommen im club. und ich packe rockinux... ;PP nein, ich packe tasche... brb
23:33 < zer0_o> das ist auch schon alles
23:33 < zer0_o> hf
23:33 < owl> hm
23:34 < zer0_o> hm?
23:34 < owl> nix
23:35 < zer0_o> bin nur hier, weils vorhin bissel zuviel war... aber nu geh ich ins bett..
23:35 < owl> ah ja...
23:35 < zer0_o> woher kommst du ?
23:35 < owl> mars
23:36 < zer0_o> irgendwie krieg ich in jedem linux/bsd irc channel die selben antworten ;)
23:36 < owl> *ggg* wundert's dich?
23:37 < zer0_o> nö... wenn ich mich so an gewisse freaks erinnere die ich in rl getroffen hab.. kann ich den wohnort gut verstehn..
23:37 < owl> ach ja... uebrigens... bei mir ist's mars, 9. strasse, ecke blick auf erde, mond
23:37 < owl> und warum bist du dann hier?
23:38 < zer0_o> ich will auch aufm mars wohnen
23:38 < owl> ah ja.
23:38 < owl> tipp... #nasa
23:38 < owl> oder das russische aequivalent dazu
23:38 < zer0_o> was ist mit esa?
23:39 < owl> hm... alternativ jemanden so lange nerven, bis er/sie/es dich auf den mars tritt... (tipp: jemanden mit army boots aussuchen... ist effektiver)
23:39 < zer0_o> *g*
23:40 < owl> sorry. zynismus ist gesund und macht spass ;P
23:40 < zer0_o> joah =)
23:40 < zer0_o> was machst du noch hier, zur späten stunde?
23:41 < owl> nix
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23:53 * tsa being tired.
23:53 < tsa> cu all
23:53 < tsa> n8
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