--- Log opened Sun Aug 11 00:00:35 2002
--- Day changed Sun Aug 11 2002
00:02 < thalerim> ohooo
00:02 < thalerim> it boots now
00:02 < thalerim> LILO appears - that's good
00:03 < hioki> congrats
00:03 < hioki> :)
00:04 < thalerim> yes, I have been tinkering for 4hours now at this PC
00:04 < hioki> what are you doing ?
00:05 < thalerim> setting up my linux workstation ...
00:05 < hioki> c00l
00:06 < thalerim> i am logged in now :-)
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00:09 < hioki> c00l
00:10 < thaly^conf> Uhahaha
00:10 < thaly^conf> huebi: !!!!
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00:33 < d3mian> hi
00:33 < Mike1> d3mian: !!
00:33 < Mike1> hello
00:35 < thaly^conf> i am afraid ... /usr/src/linux contains only the halfs, although linux-src and linux-headers seems to be installed properly ... (but huebi said something about broken linux src, i thought in the iso it'll be fixed ... mhmm)
00:57 * Mike1 be back an 1 hour or so
00:57 < d3mian> cu lata guys
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01:10 < holyolli> re
01:10 < tsa> huhu holyolli
01:10 < holyolli> tag tsa
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01:11 < thalerim> *schuft* ... bin schon die ganze zei am aufräumen, man sahs hie vielleicht aus ;)
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01:26 < Mike1> re
01:27 < thalerim> wb
01:27 < holyolli> hi Mike1
01:34 < thalerim> what is /dev/ethx under devfs?
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01:41 < tsa> huh?
01:41 < tsa> network devices aren't in /dev ..
01:45 < thalerim> damn
01:46 < thalerim> i dunno if my network card "works" properly ... i mean if i set it up rightly
01:46 < hioki> try to compile the kernel
01:46 < hioki> with your device driver within
01:46 < thalerim> the sources are somewhat "semi"
01:47 < thalerim> i need to know the irq and IO
01:47 < thalerim> let me see in proc
01:47 < hioki> no, i think
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01:50 < Mike1> hehe
01:50 < hioki> Mike1: hi Mike1
01:50 < Mike1> holyolli thalerim everything cool?
01:50 < Mike1> hola hioki :)
01:50 < holyolli> Mike1: not cool. wet. very wet.
01:51 < Mike1> holyolli: hehe well, its dark but warm here
01:51 < Mike1> and nice soft wind :)
01:51 < holyolli> .oO(btw. is clifford also affected by the severe rainfalls?)
01:51 < holyolli> Mike1: :P
01:51 < holyolli> ;)
01:51 < tsa> holyolli: don't know, but maybe..
01:52 < Mike1> holyolli: so the rock devs meeting is been fucked up by the rain?
01:52 < Mike1> hola tsa
01:52 < tsa> hi Mike1
01:52 < thalerim> hioki: i dunno what is false ... actually
01:52 < holyolli> Mike1: no idea. i don't know whether it was also in your news, but in austria where really _very_ severe rainfalls with some deaths
01:52 < thalerim> dmesg doesn't prin anything about the card, this make me feel sick
01:52 < hioki> lspci ?
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01:53 < Mike1> holyolli: no i didnt know thats terrible
01:53 * Mike1 has been to busy to watch news in the past 2 days
01:53 < holyolli> ah
01:54 < thalerim> hioki: i had the idea before ... but lspci isn't installed ... mom, i'll look up if it's on cd
01:54 < hioki> damn
01:55 < hioki> :-/
01:57 < thalerim> it's on cd, i forgot it to install ;)
01:57 < hioki> when i install rock, my network card doesn't works
01:57 < hioki> i compile the kernel and works..
01:58 < hioki> my networkcard uses ne2k-pci driver
01:58 < thalerim> before i installed rock, there was windows on this pc ... and windows couldn't find the card that's why i am unsure
01:58 < thalerim> mh
01:59 < hioki> umm.
02:00 < hioki> make sure if your networkcard is working well..
02:00 < thalerim> it's brand new
02:00 < tsa> that doesn't mean anything.
02:00 < tsa> new stuff can be broken, too.
02:01 < hioki> yes
02:01 < hioki> warranty! ;)
02:01 < tsa> ack
02:01 < thalerim> don't think so ... i buyed 3 of these cards, and the others two work absolutely properly
02:01 < hioki> umm...
02:02 < thalerim> lspci doesn't print it either
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02:03 < hioki> your networkcard is ISA ?
02:03 < thalerim> lol ... no, not of course ... i am not dumb ;)
02:03 < hioki> is corretly plugged ?
02:03 < hioki> correctly
02:03 < hioki> :)
02:04 < tsa> what card model is it?
02:04 < thalerim> that's the possibility i tend to
02:04 < tsa> aka which driver?
02:04 < thalerim> realtek 8139 chip ... NE2000 compilant
02:04 < hioki> no
02:04 < tsa> urghs.
02:04 < tsa> cheap crap, that is.
02:04 < hioki> that one uses a diferent driver under linux
02:05 < thalerim> i know
02:05 < hioki> i have 8039 one :)
02:05 < thalerim> to use is the 8139too driver
02:05 < hioki> its working very well under rock
02:06 < thalerim> i am wondering ... i checked it twice if it's rightly plugged
02:06 < hioki> wow
02:06 * hioki <- ???
02:06 < tsa> http://www.fefe.de/linuxeth/
02:06 < thalerim> and actually i am sure ... mh, i should plug this card in another pc
02:06 < thalerim> and look
02:06 < hioki> the slot pci is damaged ?
02:10 < thalerim> don't think so, before a fritz card was plugged into this slot ... at the most it could be damaged when i exchanged these both cards
02:10 < thalerim> damn thing ... as i said i will plug it into another pc
02:11 < thalerim> *sigh* all the cleaning up here in my room was in vain
02:13 * hioki will take a shower, brb
02:15 < thalerim> hm
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02:19 < thalerim> however, i go sleepin know
02:19 < thalerim> gn8
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02:25 < hioki> umm.
02:33 < holyolli> n8
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02:33 < tsa> n8
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02:48 < hioki> .
02:48 < Mike1> ..
02:50 < hioki> my server was down by a moment
02:50 < Mike1> :)
02:50 < Mike1> damn red hat
02:51 < Mike1> *evil grin*
02:51 < hioki> damn elect. providercompany
02:51 < Mike1> lol
02:51 < hioki> damn ups
02:53 < hioki> wmaker rulez
02:54 < hioki> kde rulez
02:54 < th> ion rocks more
02:54 < hioki> umm..
02:54 < hioki> xterm rulez
02:54 < th> and [a-wy-z]term sucks
02:55 < hioki> konsole and gnome-terminal sucks
02:55 < hioki> err
02:55 < hioki> rulez
02:56 < hioki> my isp SUCKS
02:56 < hioki> ill windowz with my scanner :)
02:56 < hioki> ill scan with windowz
02:56 < hioki> bye
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03:31 < Mike1> re
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03:57 < Mike1> lo hackbard
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04:19 < plfiorini> hi
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04:22 < Mike1> re
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04:23 < plfiorini> hi Mike1
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09:13 < huebi> moin alltogether ;-)
09:57 < blindcoder> moin moin
09:59 * blindcoder currently reinstalling his overpatched and almost dead machine
10:56 < blindcoder> I HAVE NO ROOT AND I WANT TO SCREAM
11:07 < huebi> moin blindcoder
11:13 < blindcoder> moin huebi
11:14 < huebi> blindcoder: huhu
11:14 < blindcoder> okay, I just installed a compilation of yesterdays CVS :)
11:14 < huebi> (esden kriegt jetzt erst mal nen Kaffee
11:14 < huebi> blindcoder: did it work fine?
11:15 < blindcoder> yeah, it compiled without any .err files and the installation orked like a charm
11:15 < blindcoder> now comes the fine-tuning :)
11:15 < huebi> kooool
11:15 < blindcoder> hehe, give esden a hug from me :)
11:16 < huebi> jo.brechfest jetzt.
11:17 < blindcoder> hehe, my breakfast was two cups of coffee
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11:22 < blindcoder> hoi netcrow
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11:50 < term_emu> moin
11:51 < blindcoder> moin moin term_emu
12:15 < praenti> moin
12:19 < blindcoder> moin
12:20 < praenti> i hate apache
12:21 < praenti> the terrible thing segfaults on my athlon and on my laptop with two different rock versions...
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12:27 < [anders]> moin zusammen
12:27 < praenti> moin [anders]
12:27 < [anders]> praenti: wie gehts?
12:28 * [anders] is trying to get libbonobo to build... Not the easiest things in the world it appears.
12:29 < [anders]> hopefully it will all work soon..
12:29 < [anders]> yay!! got it all working! :)
12:30 < [anders]> it fell over again on the next package, but what the heck. :-D
12:33 < [anders]> and now libart is fixed as well.. needed tweaking in the .pz and a .conf created..
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12:36 < fake> moin
12:37 < praenti> moin fake
12:37 < blindcoder> moin moin
12:37 < praenti> anybody has a apache-vanilla running on a rock-linux with virtual hosts?
12:37 < fake> blindcoder: wieder am bccs ?
12:37 < fake> praenti : me, but on 1.5.12
12:37 < blindcoder> fake: jo, hab gestern wieder ein wenig gemacht, langsam laeuft er ganz gut
12:38 < blindcoder> hab per valgrind n bischen dran gearbeitet... mann is des ding pingelig
12:38 < fake> was is valgrind ?
12:38 < blindcoder> praenti: i had one running until yesterday
12:38 < blindcoder> fake: ein proggi aehnlich gdb, zeigt dir aber mehr an, zum beispiel wo genau moegliche memory leaks/deadlocks sind
12:42 < fake> ah... ja, ich erinnere mich ;)
12:51 < fake> *gaehn*
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12:52 < fake> hi snyke
12:55 * fake kauft alle rechner aus seiner alten firma auf und baut ein ROCK-Build-Cluster ;-)
12:58 < fake> huebi: sorry for the lag, i'm leeching wine ...
12:58 < blindcoder> hmm
12:59 < fake> (need to check my mail XD )
12:59 < blindcoder> printf (stderr, "%?\n", unsigner char);
12:59 < blindcoder> what must ? be?
13:00 < blindcoder> unsigned char
13:00 < praenti> blindcoder: ohne segfaults?
13:00 < blindcoder> ja, nach moedlichkeit :)
13:00 < fake> blindcoder als hex oder als char oder als int interpretiert?
13:01 < blindcoder> char
13:01 < fake> vc
13:01 < fake> nix v
13:01 < blindcoder> incompatible pointer type
13:01 < blindcoder> also ich hab folgendes:
13:01 < fake> o_O
13:01 < blindcoder> register unsigned char numlights;
13:02 < blindcoder> und dieses numlights will ich per printf ausgeben
13:02 < fake> das register kannst du weglassen, das weiss der compiler besser als du ;)
13:03 < blindcoder> *ARGH*
13:03 < blindcoder> ICH IDIOT
13:03 < blindcoder> fake: ich hab das aus top rausgerissen :)
13:03 < blindcoder> ich sollte _f_printf (stderr verwenden, statt _printf_ (stderr
13:03 * blindcoder sollte besser lesen >_<
13:03 < fake> top? das ps-mit-groessenwahn-top ?
13:04 < blindcoder> jepp
13:04 * fake haut blindcoder
13:04 * blindcoder verteidigt sich und tritt zurueck
13:05 < blindcoder> ich hab bei der neuinstallation aus versehen meinen LEDmeter geloescht
13:05 < blindcoder> und jetzt muss ich ihn ja neu bauen
13:05 < fake> hehe
13:08 < blindcoder> hmm
13:08 * blindcoder traut sich net des programm mit -Wall zu compilen
13:18 < th> blindcoder: versuchs mit -Werror -pedantic
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13:21 < praenti> th: irgendwas mit dem so module im apache macht bei mir ärger. wenn ich das drin hab gibts segfault bei virtual host configuration
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13:21 < praenti> th: sowohl auf meinem laptop 1.5.12 als auch auf meinem athlon 1.5.17
13:22 < th> praenti: hmm bei mir nicht
13:22 < th> praenti: seltsam
13:22 < praenti> ich schau mir das aber mal an
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13:22 < th> praenti: genau die extension compiliert?
13:22 < praenti> scheint nur bei mir zu sein. jepp. 100% extension
13:22 < blindcoder> th: bei Wall meckert er, bei Werror --perdantic isser ruhig :)
13:22 < th> und -ansi?
13:23 < praenti> th: bei blindcoder is er gelaufen ...
13:23 * praenti away
13:23 < th> bei mir laeuft er auf mehreren servern
13:30 < blindcoder> *phew* what an overhead...
13:30 < blindcoder> i just compiled my ledmeter with --static
13:30 < blindcoder> ~500kb
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13:31 < thalerim> moin all
13:31 -!- thalerim is now known as thaly^rocklinux
13:33 < thaly^rocklinux> Is anyone here having trouble with less as PAGER ? It doesn't display the manpages properly, i.e. it doesn't display the esc codes as it should, but as e.g. ESC[1m -- I am browsing through the manpage now ... but if this problem is known, please give me a hint to fix
13:34 < thaly^rocklinux> (more as PAGER works)
13:34 < blindcoder> yes, i had it just a few minutes before
13:34 < blindcoder> but i didn't get to fixing it yet
13:34 < thaly^rocklinux> I am looking for a option to set LESS ... i'll inform you
13:35 < blindcoder> thanks
13:38 < thaly^rocklinux> ok, solved it
13:38 < th> thaly^rocklinux: seems to be a $term problem
13:39 < thaly^rocklinux> i am using export LESS="-IJmnR"
13:40 < thaly^rocklinux> but important is -R only actually
13:40 < blindcoder> thanks
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13:44 < tsa> tag
13:44 < thaly^rocklinux> export LESS="-IJmNRC"
13:44 < thaly^rocklinux> so ...
13:46 < tsa> huh?
13:46 < tsa> was tut das denn?
13:46 < thaly^rocklinux> in 1.5.18 stellt less manpages nicht richtig da
13:46 < tsa> ah
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13:55 < thaly^network> außerdem suckt das menu (bei der installation) teilweise ... werd da mal ein blick drauf werfen
13:55 < thaly^network> und alsa befindet sich in net/ ... ?!
13:56 < blindcoder> hmm das tut es schon lange :)
13:56 < blindcoder> zumindest seit 1.5.14
13:56 < thaly^network> was?
13:56 < thaly^network> 1. oder 2. satz
13:56 < blindcoder> alsa
13:56 < th> also ich installiere ehh nur noch mit foreach p in ( base-pkgs/*bz2 )
13:57 < th> einfach auspacken ;)
13:57 < th> wer brauch schon ein install-menu
13:58 * blindcoder <--
13:58 < hackbard> tcltk (stage3) will nicht compilen. autoconf 2.53 mag dessen configure.in nicht, mit autoconf 2.52 geht es noch ..
13:58 < thaly^network> so ping klappt schon mal von linux -> windows
13:58 < blindcoder> bin zu faul alle pakete einzeln zu machen
13:58 < hackbard> hat da schon jemand ne loesung?
13:58 < thaly^network> th: ich
14:04 < thaly^network> I wonder ping linux -> winblows works, but vice versa i get a timeout
14:10 < th> blindcoder: wie jetz alle pakete einzeln "machen"?
14:11 < th> blindcoder: das is EINE foreach zeile
14:11 < blindcoder> nur wenn man _alles_ installieren will
14:12 < th> sonst machst du ein ls -1 von allen paketen >> datei und loeschst die raus die du nicht willst und installierst dann die
14:12 < th> die datei kannst du dir aufheben fuer spaetere versionen und immer wieder verwenden
14:13 < blindcoder> hmm
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14:13 < blindcoder> waer mal ne ueberlegung wert
14:14 < b1u2u2a9i> ups
14:14 < b1u2u2a9i> sorry
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14:15 < thaly^network> th: hahahaha
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14:15 < thaly^network> auf den floppies ist kein editor drauf, noch nicht mal ed
14:15 < snyke> so
14:15 < thaly^network> und mit sed und grep die ganze sache zu machen, näää
14:17 < th> thaly^network: du solltest die dateien doch nicht von bootdiskette benutzen
14:17 < th> s,benutzen,erstellen,
14:17 < thaly^network> achso ...
14:17 < th> thaly^network: also du kannst dir deine root-diskette einfach in nem anderen system mounten und die datei mit deinen wunschpaketen draufpacken
14:17 < th> thaly^network: und dann schreibste vor jedes paket noch den tar befehl...
14:18 < th> thaly^network: und schon brauchste die datei dann nurnoch ausfuehren
14:18 < thaly^network> das geht aber ne wenn man nix drauf hatte ;P
14:18 < th> wo drauf?
14:18 < thaly^network> auf den festplatten
14:18 < th> du solltest natuerlich einen rechner verfuegbar haben
14:18 < th> aber davon geh ich mal aus
14:19 < th> wie hast du dir sonst die disketten gebaut?
14:19 < thaly^network> rawrite, winblowz
14:19 < th> oha
14:19 < th> naja dann nimmste ne zweite diskette
14:19 < th> und baust dir darauf mit windows die datei
14:20 < th> und nachm booten von diskette legste dann die diskette ein
14:20 < thaly^network> NEIN, ich will ein schönes menu!
14:20 < th> thaly^network: dann nimm den start-button links-unten
14:20 < th> ;-]
14:21 * blindcoder stellt gerade fest, dass er 20 GIGABYTE schrott auf seiner platte hatte
14:21 < thaly^network> nö, hab alles in der taskleiste was ich brauch
14:21 < thaly^network> blindcoder: rm -rf /mnt/hd2/pr0n/
14:21 < th> blindcoder: ich hab neulich ne 45GB festplatte verloren durch defekt. da waren noch ~4GB frei.
14:21 < th> blindcoder: ich hab dann gemerkt, dass eigentlich nichts wichtiges drauf war
14:21 < blindcoder> thaly^network: wie gesagt, hatte :)
14:22 < blindcoder> th: hmm ich hab keine ahnung, was des alles war um ehrlich zu sein
14:22 < th> blindcoder: naja ich hatte noch die locatedb um alle file-names rauszukriegen
14:24 < blindcoder> immerhin :)
14:24 < blindcoder> ich fuehr die gar net
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14:31 < th> blindcoder: die wird doch per cron immer um 0500 erstellt
14:31 < th> per default
14:33 < blindcoder> hmm *nachgugg* stimmt *d'ouh*
14:33 < th> blindcoder: da bist du wahrscheinlich immer schon im bettchen ;)
14:33 < blindcoder> nein, da steh ich grad auf
14:36 < blindcoder> shit... worauf musste ich TERM setzen damit screen nicht abstuerzt?
14:38 < th> vt100 ;-)
14:38 < th> k.a. meins stuerzt nich ab
14:39 < blindcoder> bei mir haengt er sobald ich etwas in der art von ls --color=auto mache, also irgendwas mit farbigen terminals
14:41 < tsa> segfaultet der ircII eigentlich immer noch bei TERM=linux?
15:09 < blindcoder> i know why i hate .rm files
15:10 < blindcoder> why do people even CONSIDER this format?
15:11 < tsa> don't know-.
15:40 < blindcoder> okay, I'm gone
15:44 < tsa> cu blindcoder
15:46 < th> TERM=xterm ist manchmal besser als man denkt. vor allem in der konsole
15:49 < tsa> ack.
15:52 < tsa> hm..
15:52 < tsa> jetzt muesste ich nur noch meinen mutt dazu bringen, mir die scheiss sonderzeichen auch noch anzuzeigen..
15:52 < tsa> dieses ganze locale-geraffel suckt irgendwie tierisch..
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15:54 < tsa> hm...klappt weder mit xterm noch mit xterm-color
15:55 < th> musst mal das richtige xterm nach terminfo kopieren
15:55 < th> unter xfree?
15:55 < th> oder konsole?
15:55 < tsa> xfree
15:56 < th> cp xterm-xf86-v40 xterm
15:56 < th> in /usr/share/terminfo/x
15:57 < tsa> ; done
15:57 < tsa> aender trotzdem nix.
15:57 < tsa> +t
15:57 < tsa> Gro?teile
15:57 < tsa> *grummel*
15:57 < tsa> LC_CTYPE=de_DE
15:57 < tsa> $ grep charset .muttrc
15:57 < tsa> set charset="iso-8859-1"        # character set for your terminal
16:06 < tsa> hm..
16:06 < tsa> das term an sich kann äöü darstellen..
16:06 < tsa> klappt auf shel und im editor.
16:06 < tsa> +l
16:06 < tsa> offenbar problem mit mutt.
16:07 < tsa> mal web durchsuchen.
16:13 < tsa> hm..
16:13 < tsa> mutt-FAQ bringt mich auch nicht weiter
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16:22 < tsa> hi netcrow
16:26 < netcrow> hio
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17:06 < [anders]> meow
17:07 * [anders] has now tweaked all the stage 3 packaged build order so hopefully everything will build in Gnome2 and not break as per before.
17:08 < tsa> cool.
17:08 < [anders]> time to go through and update all the Gnome2 packages to latest version as well.. Which is a few of them..
17:09 < [anders]> gnome 2.0.1 has a release candidate and I am sure there are several packages with later version than what I am building now.
17:10 < [anders]> plus I have to add Evolution and all the dependencies required for that and a few other packages..
17:10 < tsa> hehe..
17:10 < tsa> never managed to build evolution here..
17:11 < tsa> good idea to try it again, anyways ;)
17:11 < [anders]> tsa: neither have I, but I am running an extended version of ROCK 1.4.0 with Gnome 1.4 bolted on to it.. I am sure I have the wrong version of something somewhere.. :)
17:12 < tsa> [anders]: hehe..
17:12 < tsa> $ cat /etc/ROCK-LINUX
17:12 < tsa> ROCK Linux 1.4.0 i686 (native, 2001/04/28)
17:12 < tsa> $ pkg-list |grep 1.4.0$ | wc -l
17:12 < tsa>      10
17:13 < tsa> not too much left from 1.4.0... ;-)
17:13 < tsa> $ pkg-list |grep 1.5.12-DEV$ | wc -l
17:13 < tsa>      83
17:13 < blindcoder> hehe, I never managed to keep an installation longer than 4 months :)
17:13 < tsa> $ pkg-list |grep 1.7.0-DEV$|wc -l
17:13 < tsa>      35
17:13 < tsa> hehe
17:14 < tsa> this is still my old rock 1.4.0 install, but with nearly all packages being replaced ..
17:14 < blindcoder> in that state, it is not really 1.4.0 anymore :)
17:14 * blindcoder has a brand-new 1.5.18 running
17:14 < blindcoder> blindcoder@crazyhorse:~$ cat /etc/ROCK-LINUX
17:14 < blindcoder> ROCK Linux 1.5.18 ia32 (native, 2002/08/11)
17:15 < tsa> hm...
17:15 < tsa> strange
17:15 < tsa> i didn't get the evolution error i used to get so far.
17:15 < tsa> it's stll compiling!
17:15 < tsa> +i
17:15 < blindcoder> hmm... good ;)
17:15 < tsa> <- curious what will happen next
17:16 < tsa> hm...
17:16 < blindcoder> the power will be cut 5 secs before the compile finishes, your filesystems will crash and you won't remember what you did to make it compile :)
17:16 < tsa> when i get some spare time, i'll try to hack up sendmail a little more..
17:16 < tsa> blindcoder: GRR!
17:16 < tsa> ;)
17:17 < blindcoder> hehe
17:17 < [anders]> humma.. I tend to update the .pz's and just add the tar.bz2 required to build the package.. :)
17:17 < tsa> hehe
17:17 < [anders]> tsa: if you get Evolution to build, let me know.. I seem to have some bonobo error or something..
17:18 < tsa> [anders]: i guess that won't help you....i'm building with the 1.7.0-dev tree...
17:19 * tsa updating nessus in 1.5 tree
17:19 * blindcoder thinks about writing a dozen 1.5 packages
17:20 < tsa> hehe
17:20 < blindcoder> icewm and dosemu for example
17:21 * [anders] will hack in metacity and metacity-conf as well as perhaps a few other things at some point..
17:23 < tsa> still building evolution..
17:26 < tsa> aah.
17:26 < tsa> not it finally fails.
17:26 < tsa> now.
17:26 < tsa> grmpf.
17:27 < blindcoder> damn
17:27 < tsa> hm...
17:27 < tsa> seems to be an Orbit problem.
17:27 < [anders]> tsa: Evolution 1.0.8 yes?
17:28 < tsa> [anders]: no, 1.7.0-dev still has evolution 1.0.7 ..
17:29 < blindcoder> phew, I never knew serfcity 1 could be that difficult >_<
17:29 < tsa> ok, i'll get the 1.0.8 sources and try again.
17:29 < [anders]> tsa: I was trying to get 1.0.8 to build and couldn't... I might have better luck here in 1.5.18 build tree.
17:30 * tsa committing nessus update to 1.5. tree
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17:31 < tsa> ;done
17:35 < tsa> hm..
17:36 < tsa> xmms still estimating overall play-time
17:37 < tsa> 235:54:22
17:37 < tsa> urghs..
17:38 < tsa> that's 9 days of music..
17:38 * [anders] is drinking lots of Gin&Tonic..
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17:38 < tsa_> re.
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17:38 < [anders]> tsa: meep
17:38 < tsa> re..
17:39 < tsa> nice.
17:39 < tsa> more than 9 days of music.
17:47 * [anders] is having issues with libgtkhtml... When I built Gnome2 I didn't include this package, and now it is giving me grief..
17:49 < tsa> == 17:49:30 =[9]=> Building rene/evolution [1.0.8 1.7.0-DEV].
17:49 < tsa> ok, next try.
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18:08 < holyolli> hi
18:08 < tsa> huhu holyolli
18:08 < holyolli> huhu tsa
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18:22 < tsa> Hoeh?
18:22 < tsa> == 08/11/02 18:22:20 =[9]=> Finished building package evolution.
18:22 < tsa> WTF?
18:22 < holyolli> tsa: it seems as if your rock build enviroment has completed the build of "evolution"
18:22 < holyolli> ;-))
18:23 < tsa> indeed.
18:23 < tsa> and now i have a pretty nice binary which does nothing but dumoing core.
18:23 < tsa> s,o,p,
18:31 < tsa> aah, cool
18:31 < tsa> sasl compiles.
18:37 * tsa trashing old build
18:38 < blindcoder> hmm
18:38 < blindcoder> has anyone else problems with cdrecord in 1.5.18?
18:39 < tsa> define problems.
18:39 < blindcoder> root@crazyhorse:~# cdrecord -scanbus
18:39 < blindcoder> Cdrecord 1.10 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 Jörg Schilling
18:39 < blindcoder> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open SCSI driver.
18:39 < blindcoder> cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'. Make sure you are root.
18:39 < blindcoder> ide-scsi is compiled into the kernel
18:39 < blindcoder> and hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi is in the kernel parameters
18:39 < blindcoder> /dev/scsi/... exists and works
18:40 < tsa> ..but your /etc/devfsd.conf still lacks the corresponding options, i guess
18:40 < blindcoder> what options need to get in there?
18:40 < tsa> run "ltrace cdrecord -scanbus", and you'll see what i mean.
18:40 < tsa> cdrecord doesn't have devfs support
18:41 < blindcoder> *ARGH*
18:41 < tsa> so you'll need an MKOLDCOMPAT entry in your /etc/devfsd.conf, otherwise it won't be able to detect your cdropm device
18:41 < blindcoder> okay... thanks
18:41 < tsa> # scsi stuff for cdrecord
18:41 < tsa> REGISTER ^scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0/generic  MKOLDCOMPAT
18:41 < tsa> UNREGISTER ^scsi/host0/bus0/target4/lun0/generic        RMOLDCOMPAT
18:42 < tsa> (this is from my devfsd.conf, but you can easily adapt it to fit your needs..)
18:43 < blindcoder> thanks, I had to do this for xmms, to with sound/*
18:44 < blindcoder> but I didn't think about cdrecord needing this, too, because cdrdao gave me the very same error...
18:44 < tsa> REGISTER ^sound/dsp MKOLDCOMPAT
18:44 < tsa> REGISTER ^sound/dsp PERMISSIONS 0.103 660
18:44 < tsa> UNREGISTER ^sound/dsp RMOLDCOMPAT
18:44 < tsa> REGISTER ^sound/mixer MKOLDCOMPAT
18:44 < tsa> REGISTER sound/mixer PERMISSIONS 0.103 660
18:44 < tsa> UNREGISTER ^sound/mixer RMOLDCOMPAT
18:44 < tsa> ;-)
18:45 < blindcoder> REGISTER sound/* MKOLDCOMPAT
18:45 < blindcoder> and then in /etc/conf/devfs chgrp audio /dev/sound/* && chmod g+rw /dev/sound/*
18:45 < tsa> nope.
18:46 < tsa>  REGISTER ^sound/dsp PERMISSIONS 0.103 660 <-- ;-))))
18:46 < tsa> i prefer to do this in devfsd.conf itself.
18:46 < blindcoder> that would be 0.29 660 (29=audio here) :)
18:46 < tsa> ack.
18:46 < blindcoder> but... okay, that's a more elegant way :)
18:48 < blindcoder> now I need a group for the generic devices... I don't want to brn my CDs as root always :)
18:50 * tsa submitting new package to clifford.
18:51 < tsa> blindcoder: you could use sudo.
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18:52 < tsa> %cdburn      ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/cdrecord
18:52 < tsa> (untested)
18:53 < blindcoder> hmm... nah, just added group backup(34) :)
18:58 < tsa> hehe, ok.
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19:38 < thalerim> re all
19:42 < tsa> re thalerim
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20:02 < yain> muuuuh
20:02 < yain> hi @ll
20:03 < holyolli> hi yain
20:03 < yain> i need some help with the autoconf macro AC_CHECK_LIB
20:05 < thalerim> what is the rock-debug package?
20:06 < yain> :(
20:08 < tsa> yain: urghs...no idea.
20:09 < tsa> using autoconf on a regular basis (./configure;make; make install), but never tried to understand it..
20:09 < tsa> ;)
20:09 < yain> >_<
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20:20 < bluefire> re
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20:27 < tsa> re..
20:27 < thalerim> wb
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21:20 < fake> re
21:21 < tsa> tag fake
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21:32 < huebi> MuH!
21:32 < huebi> hehe
21:32 < holyolli> huhu huebi :)
21:32 < holyolli> *remuh*
21:32 < tsa> huhu huebi
21:34 < huebi> hi holyolli
21:34 < huebi> jana.homeip.net/wegcam/ <- Wia
21:34 < huebi> hi tsa
21:35 < tsa> The requested URL /wegcam/ was not found on this server.
21:35 < huebi> fake is fixing...
21:36 < huebi> jana.homeip.net/webcam/ aber jetzt
21:37 < tsa> jo.
21:37 < tsa> irgendwer vorm rechner.
21:37 < tsa> seid ihr nur einer?
21:37 < tsa> ;)
21:37 < th> wow "irgendwer vorm rechner"
21:37 < th> sowas wollte ich schon immer mal sehen
21:37 < huebi> das bin ich. esden und clifford sind rauchen.
21:37 < tsa> hehe
21:38 < th> hi huebi
21:38 < huebi> now the Webmeister
21:38 < huebi> hi th
21:38 < tsa> sag clifford mal, er soll post lesen.....
21:38 < tsa> aah!
21:38 * tsa hat nen neues pkg fuer 1.7 gebaut.
21:38 < tsa> webmeister is looking pretty "verpeilt".
21:38 < tsa> *G*
21:39 < huebi> LOL
21:39 < tsa> huch?
21:40 < huebi> clifford beim rauchen, oder so
21:40 < tsa> hm....
21:40 < tsa> alles verschwommen, nix zu sehen
21:40 < huebi> tsa: jo, ist dunkel
21:41 < tsa> nen rechner ohne wen davor.
21:43 < th> das ist ja nun wirklich aufregend
21:44 < tsa> jupp
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21:50 < holyolli> tsa: willstu nun q3 verlieren?
21:50 < tsa> hehe
21:50 < tsa> ack
21:52 < plfiorini> hrm what's the password for anoncvs
21:52 < fake> nothing
21:53 < holyolli> falls jemand mitzocken will: quake3://217.14.168.2
21:53 < fake> <- utler
21:53 < fake> q3 *schauder*
21:53 < plfiorini> export CVS_RSH=ssh
21:53 < plfiorini> cvs -danoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co rock-1.5
21:53 < plfiorini> fails
21:53 < plfiorini> it requires a password
21:54 < th> hit enter
21:54 < plfiorini> already done
21:54 < th> hmm
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21:54 < snyke> re
21:54 < fake> -d:ext: ?
21:55 < plfiorini> oh
21:55 < plfiorini> i just read the topic ;)
21:55 < th> fake: that's not needed
21:55 < th> fake: that's the default
21:55 < fake> aw
21:55 < fake> now ;-)
21:58 < plfiorini> mmmh cvs assumes i am root :)
21:58 < th> plfiorini: because you missed the anoncvs@ part
21:58 < th> plfiorini: read the topic again
21:59 < plfiorini> cvs -danonymous@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co -P rock-1.5
21:59 < plfiorini> anonymous@anoncvs.rocklinux.de's password:
21:59 < plfiorini> Permission denied
21:59 < th> it's ANONCVS not anonymous
21:59 < plfiorini> yes
21:59 < th> shall i spell it?
21:59 < plfiorini> nope
21:59 < th> ok ;)
22:00 < plfiorini> it's because ircii sucks imho
22:00 < th> Irssi 0.8.5 (20020313) - http://irssi.org/
22:00 < plfiorini> i haven't the username in the topic
22:00 < plfiorini> i saw only anoncvs.rocklinux.de
22:01 < th> strange
22:01 < th> so ircII really seems to suck
22:01 < th> (and i used it for years)
22:01 < plfiorini> i'd prefer bitchx or irssi
22:01 < plfiorini> or xchat if i am on gnome
22:01 < th> urgs
22:03 < fake> in bitchx it works
22:05 < plfiorini> perhaps this question is stupid and someone have asked it already....
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22:05 < plfiorini> there will be a new .desc format?
22:05 < plfiorini> for example based on xml
22:07 < tsa> re
22:07 < fake> *URGH*
22:09 < fake> well, using bash we are no highspeed implementation for sure, but you really have to hate speed to use XML
22:12 < plfiorini> i don't hate speed, it's because xml is much comfortable
22:12 < h0h0> DIE XML!
22:13 < plfiorini> btw it would be nice if packages will be named as other distros (foobar-1.0.0.tar.bz2) and if -devel packages can be created
22:13 < plfiorini> this is not an xml issue
22:18 * fake shakes his head
22:18 < fake> plfiorini didn't really get it... ?
22:18 < huebi>  ___________
22:18 < huebi> < Hi, fake. >
22:18 < huebi>  -----------
22:18 < huebi>         \   ^__^
22:18 < huebi>          \  (oo)\_______
22:18 < huebi>             (__)\       )\/\
22:18 < huebi>                 ||----w |
22:18 < huebi>                 ||     ||
22:18 < huebi> 
22:19 < fake> oooh mathilda *bow* *bow* *bow*
22:19 < tsa> hahaha
22:19 < holyolli> hehe
22:26 < SMP> ahh. hello to Vienna
22:26 * SMP is back
22:26 < holyolli> hi smp
22:30 < esden> hi SMP ! hello back from Vienna ;-)
22:30 < holyolli> hey esden :)
22:31 < tsa> hi esden
22:33 < huebi> hi SMP. How was the flight?
22:33 < esden> hi holyolli 
22:33 < esden> hi huebi ... long time no see ;-)
22:36 < SMP> huebi: boring ;)
22:38 < tsa> wer ist eigentlich jetzt alles in wien?
22:38 < tsa> clifford, fake, huebi, esden, ..?
22:38 < fake> owl
22:39 < fake> - full stop -
22:39 < tsa> ah
22:39 < fake> ;-)
22:39 < tsa> macht sie kaffee?
22:39 < fake> soll ich owl auf webcam bannen?
22:39 < th> oh yeah
22:39 < tsa> fake: hassu digicam da?
22:39 < th> *rechner boot*
22:39 < holyolli> ja
22:39 < fake> tsa: clifford hat einen kaffee-vollautomaten
22:39 < tsa> fake: hm..
22:39 < fake> tsa: webcam
22:39 < fake> (drecksminiding von cliff ;)
22:39 < tsa> hehe
22:39 * holyolli sieht nur nen stuhl und nen rechner....
22:40 < tsa> fake: owl will doch immer kein foto gemacht haben..
22:40 < tsa> macht mal foto fuer die gallery..
22:40 < tsa> ;-)
22:41 < th> irgendwas dunkles
22:41 < tsa> jo, dunkel
22:42 < huebi> fake montiert das Blitzlicht....
22:42 < tsa> hehe
22:42 < tsa> laesst owl sich freiwillig knipsen oder pennt die schon?
22:45 < tsa> hm..
22:46 < tsa> owl sieht offenbar aus wie nen plastikstuhl im dunkeln..
22:48 < fake> so
22:48 < fake> jetzt hab ich ein paar fotos gemacht
22:48 < fake> mal sehen ob die qualitaet besser is =/
22:49 < tsa> wo is?
22:49 < fake> ich musses erstmal aus diesem usbding da rauskriegen
22:49 < tsa> hehe
22:53 < tsa> fake: du kannst nix ;-)
22:56 < th> fake: ranstecken mounten copieren... wo is das probelm?
22:56 < huebi> th im Bluescreen versteckt.
22:57 < tsa> hehe
22:57 < th> oha
22:59 < huebi> Iris, die Freundin von Clifford, kann ganz schoen gut Klavier spielen.
23:00 * th hat auf der webcam noch nichts entdecken koennen
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23:07 < huebi> fake is uploading
23:07 < th> url?
23:08 < huebi> braucht noch ;(
23:08 < huebi> ISDN ist laaangsaaaammm
23:11 < fake> sooo
23:11 < fake> http://fake.by-infonet.de/pics/hacking/devmeeting-02/
23:13 < fake> ( das grosse foto von owl entstand nach dem satz: "geh kaffee machen" )
23:15 < tsa> hehe
23:16 < SMP> n8.
23:16 < fake> n8 smp!
23:16 < huebi> n8 SMP
23:26 < esden> huebi schaaaping ;-)
23:27 < huebi> schaaaaaping occupied cvs
23:27 < esden> the new best internet conectivity solution ... "Schaaping (tm)"
23:28 < fake> *slurp*
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23:31 < theogenis> moin all
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23:34 < theogenis> urgs, re
23:36 < huebi> moin thalerim
23:36 < fake> hi theogenis
23:36 < fake> aka thalerim ;)
23:37 < theogenis> version me!
23:37 < esden> hi thalerim
23:37 < huebi>  ______________
23:37 < huebi> < Hi, thalerim >
23:37 < huebi>  --------------
23:37 < huebi>         \   ^__^
23:37 < huebi>          \  (oo)\_______
23:37 < huebi>             (__)\       )\/\
23:37 < huebi>                 ||----w |
23:37 < huebi>                 ||     ||
23:37 < huebi> 
23:37 < theogenis> hehe
23:37 < esden> ahh holy mathilda *bow* *bow*
23:38 < theogenis> i wonder why my matrix patch desn't work although framebuffer works
23:41 < holyolli> hm. erstaunlich viele pflanzen bei clifford.....
23:41 < fake> voll chillig hier
23:41 < holyolli> hehe
23:42 < huebi> jo , wie im Urwalrd. Ein richtig schoenes Haus
23:42 < tsa> holyolli: clifford raucht sein inventar.. ;-)
23:42 < fake> holyolli ist pilot i.A. ?
23:42 < theogenis> mh ... no entries in /dev/fb/ ... but why can i use a resolution of 800x600? ... hm
23:42 < holyolli> tsa: ich wollte es nicht so direkt sagen...
23:42 < tsa> fake: i.A. = im Absturz? ;)
23:42 < holyolli> fake: mh?
23:42 < holyolli> i.A?
23:42 < fake> holyolli: sag dass mich huebi nur verarschen wollte als er mir das erzaehlte
23:42 < fake> in Ausbildung
23:43 < holyolli> .oO(wen soll ich nun in den rücken fallen...?)
23:43 < tsa> fake: vorsichtig formuliert: Bahn-fahren ist ne tolle Sache... ;-)
23:43 < huebi> holyolli: mir?
23:43 < fake> mir mir mir!
23:43 < holyolli> fake: teils-teils. huebi hat schon recht. ich fange diesen monat mit der ausbildung an
23:43 < holyolli> hehe
23:43 < holyolli> fake: :-P
23:43 < tsa> hm...
23:43 < theogenis> huebi: alsa ist in net/
23:43 < tsa> hast du irgendwelche packages, die wir dir wegnehmen sollten?
23:43 < fake> holyolli: .... *kopfschuettel* abern cooler job
23:43 < holyolli> *g*
23:44 < fake> geile stewardessen...
23:44 < fake> s,geil,schoen,
23:44 < holyolli>  #define stewardessen saftschubsen...
23:44 < holyolli> ;-)
23:44 * tsa will holyolli gar nich als stewardess sehen...
23:44 < fake> sonst muss ich wieder 10 euro in die chowikasse blechen
23:44 < holyolli> aber das stimmt wohl
23:45 < holyolli> tesa: lass deine versauten wünsche bei dir... ;)
23:45 < tsa> hehe
23:45 < fake> . o O ( die kann der huebi dann im puff versaufen )
23:45 < fake> oberprophet sein ist schon ein harter job
23:45 < tsa> holyolli: beruhigt es dich, wenn ich dir sage, dass meine versauten wuensche dich gar nicht betreffen?
23:45 < holyolli> tsa: definitiv.
23:45 < huebi> Muh!
23:47 < fake> moo, i'm just a cow.
23:47 < holyolli> tsa: du opfer. du hast ja wirklich mitgeboten!
23:47 < tsa> holyolli: naja, dafuer weisst du wenigstens nicht, wer dann davon betroffen ist.. :-PP
23:47 < tsa> holyolli: jo, sag ich doch.
23:47 < huebi> ebay?
23:47 < tsa> macht noch wer mit?
23:48 < tsa> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2045540883
23:48 < huebi> url?
23:48 < holyolli> tsa: das ist eigendlich gar nicht sooo schlimm..hauptsache, dass ich da raus bin aus dem träumen
23:48 < tsa> jo.
23:48 < holyolli> EY!
23:48 < fake> was wollt ihr schweinderl schon wieder ersteigern?
23:48 < holyolli> btw..esden?
23:48 < tsa> fake: unterwaesche von holyolli..
23:48 < holyolli> fake: nein. von tesa.
23:48 < theogenis> was macht Build-Index?
23:48 < holyolli> will noch jemand ne alpha kaufen?
23:49 < tsa> los, traut euch. ueberbietet mich!
23:49 < tsa> *G*
23:49 < holyolli> tsa: *schlapp!*
23:49 < tsa> hehe
23:49 < th> theogenis: es baut die INDEX files.
23:50 < th> theogenis: und sollte nach jeder aenderung an base-config oder ext-config ausgefuehrt werden
23:50 < tsa> th: komisch...da waer ich nie drauf gekommen ;-)
23:50 < th> tsa: er hat doch gefragt ;)
23:50 < huebi> Ich bin Hoechstbieter! hehe
23:50 < tsa> hehe
23:50 < holyolli>  /* no comment */
23:50 < tsa> nu nich mehr!
23:50 < holyolli> ;)
23:50 < fake> <- rauchen
23:50 < tsa> :-PPP
23:50 < tsa> *huebiueberbiet*
23:51 < fake> kinners
23:51 * tsa bietet 0,50 eur fuer ne nacht mit fake
23:51 < tsa> *DUCK*
23:51 < theogenis> mit oder ohne kondom?
23:51 < tsa> mit putzlappen.
23:51 < theogenis> passt
23:51 < holyolli> .oO(ob man bei seinen eigenen auktionen mitbieten kann?)
23:51 < fake> tsa: du ZAHLST dafuer?
23:51 < tsa> (hier muesste mal wieder aufgeraeumt werden..)
23:52 < tsa> fake: wenn du hier aufraeumst - sicher.. ;)
23:52 < fake> sonst muss ich immer zahlen
23:52 < theogenis> *g* fake
23:52 < holyolli> huebi?
23:52 < tsa> holyolli: taugt die soundkarte?
23:52 < holyolli> tsa: ja.
23:53 < holyolli> (was ne frage...! ;-)
23:53 < tsa> Sie sind momentan der Höchstbietende!
23:53 < tsa> jajaja!
23:53 < tsa> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2045547582
23:53 < holyolli> <-- geht mal grad in die andere channelecke und sucht das niveau...)
23:54 < tsa> holyolli: hast du das evtl auch versteigert?
23:54 < holyolli> hm. mal nachsehen
23:54 < holyolli> ;)
23:55 < tsa> so.
23:55 < tsa> huebi kriegt nix, ich ersteiger jetzt alles olli-zeugs ;-)
23:55 < holyolli> hehe
23:55 < holyolli> tsa: denk aber an die versandkosten
23:55 < holyolli> ;)
23:55 < tsa> ..fuer meine private fetisch-sammlung :-)
23:56 < holyolli> tsa: da is niveau geblieben: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=898401398
23:56 < tsa> urghs
23:56 < tsa> haesslich.
23:56 * holyolli wischt sich mal grad das blut aus den augen...
23:56 < tsa> neee
23:56 < holyolli> ;)
23:57 < holyolli> *lol!* für tsa: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1755309644
23:58 < tsa> ARRRRGH
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