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--- Log opened Mon Aug 12 00:00:15 2002 --- Day changed Mon Aug 12 2002 00:00 < tsa> neee, lass mal.. 00:00 < tsa> ich versuch's dann lieber weiter auf die klassische weise.. 00:00 < tsa> (k.o. schlagen und fesseln ;-) 00:01 < theogenis> ??? kein nethack package 00:06 < Ge0rG> hm... 80% mehr sind, wenn man von 0 ausgeht, immer noch 0 00:06 < tsa> oh.. 00:06 < tsa> dann hab ich 80% des nethack-packages gemacht ;-) 00:07 < theogenis> *sigh* 00:08 * theogenis wanted to be @, the Avatar, a chaotic elven Wizard.. 00:09 < theogenis> Wie wär's eigentlich mit nem Script, dass automatisch die Wrappers eibindet (also man damit jedes beliebige Source-Tarball kompilieren kann, die flists aber trotzdem erzeugt werden) 00:12 < holyolli> n8 00:12 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@linus.regehr.net] has left #rocklinux ("X-Chat: Silly faggot! mIRC is for kids!") 00:18 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A6E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ("°ShowDowN v12 PrO° since 1996: https://www.sci.fi/~showdown/") 00:25 < theogenis> esden: ? 00:27 < esden> theogenis: ? 00:28 < huebi> hallo? 00:28 < tsa> hm? 00:28 < esden> wiedersehen huebi 00:28 < tsa> haeh? 00:28 < tsa> wie jetzt? 00:29 < esden> woot tsa 00:30 < theogenis> esden: auf deiner developers seite auf rocklinux ... die quellen des install menüs, sind die aktuell? 00:30 < theogenis> woot 00:30 < theogenis> *g* 00:33 < theogenis> PING? 00:33 < tsa> pong 00:33 < esden> urms ... hmmm ... also die laufen soweit ich weiss in 1.5 tree mommentan ... ich habe aber an denen lange nichts mehr gemacht ... also man koennte sagen das die aktuell sind 00:33 < esden> nicht stressen jungs ... 00:33 < esden> ;-) 00:34 < theogenis> hmmm 00:34 < theogenis> 0.1-pr... ? 00:34 < theogenis> hört sich erm ... naja nicht aktuell an 00:34 < esden> jaaa ... es ist das aktuellste was ich dir bieten kann ... 00:35 < theogenis> o_O 00:35 < theogenis> okay 00:35 < esden> es funktioniert soweit ... 00:36 < esden> aber ich wuerde es nicht alls die beste und stabielste software bezeichnen ... dann es ist im grossen und ganzen ein sehr boeser megahack das ding 00:36 < esden> sehr hochredundant und so 00:36 < tsa> solange es funktioniert, ist das doch ok.. 00:36 < theogenis> ich habs gemerkt *g* 00:37 < esden> theogenis: ;-) 00:40 < esden> theogenis: ich wuerde nicht drauf wetten das es funktioniert ... bei mir hat es bis jetzt funktioniert ... und ausser featuer requests hat sich niemand bis jetzt bei mir ueber das ding ausegheult ;-) 00:40 < esden> + @ tsa 00:42 < theogenis> najo ... ich werd morgen mal schauen 00:42 < theogenis> jetzt ists mir zu spät 00:43 < theogenis> irgendwas verlangsamt dieses summarize ... 00:44 -!- term_aweh [~pm@pD958B4ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("zz") 00:45 < tsa> n8 00:45 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9E11898.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 00:45 < Ge0rG> bye tsa 00:45 < Ge0rG> mhm... 2l8 00:47 -!- theogenis [~tobrit@pD958DD40.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("gn8") 01:08 < hackbard> esden: noch wach? 01:09 < esden> hackbard: weniger als mehr aber nach wach ja ;-) 01:09 < hackbard> cool ;) 01:09 < hackbard> ich wollte nur fragen, ob man gkrellm docken kann? 01:09 < hackbard> und evtl diese 'ausbeulungen' oben und unten wegbekommt? 01:36 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pD95224F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 03:33 -!- Ge0rG [georg@op-co.de] has quit ("Irssi - the client of smart and beautiful people") 03:52 -!- owl [~knoppix@M089P031.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 03:52 < owl> hi 03:55 -!- owl [~knoppix@M089P031.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("back to reality") 05:00 -!- Freak [freak@p50839020.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:01 -!- Freak [freak@p50839260.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:17 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-2-277.tin.it] has joined #rocklinux 07:17 < plfiorini> morning all 08:34 < huebi> moin 08:34 < plfiorini> hi huebi 08:34 < huebi> hi plfiorini ;-) 08:35 < plfiorini> this night i built rock, but i saw that after 5 minutes i went to bed the build failed beacause i haven't kiss 08:35 < plfiorini> :( 08:35 < huebi> rock 1.7? 08:35 < plfiorini> nope rock 1.5 08:36 < plfiorini> i'd prefer stable things :)) 08:36 < huebi> 1.5.18? 08:36 < plfiorini> from yesterday cvs 08:36 < huebi> Ah, ok 08:36 < plfiorini> thid isn't a rock issue 08:37 < plfiorini> it's because i am stupid! 08:39 -!- plfiorini is now known as plfiorini|a 08:44 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A6E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:01 -!- term_emu [~pm@pD958BABE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:02 < term_emu> gut morgen 09:03 < huebi> tach term_emu 09:35 -!- term_emu is now known as term_aweh 09:39 -!- theogenis [~tobrit@pD9E49735.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:40 < theogenis> moin all 09:42 < theogenis> Who have access to chanserv? In the description is something wrong, i think. IMO, it should be "Welcome in the RockLinux developers' Channel" and "See also our homepage at ..." hm 09:52 < snyke> it's esden I think 09:52 < snyke> try flaming him... 09:58 < theogenis> I'll fetch Gorgor, the large and very mystical dragon 09:58 -!- tsa [~tsa@sec-01.bi.devcon.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:58 < tsa> moin. 09:58 < snyke> moin tsa! 09:58 < theogenis> moin tsa 10:01 < tsa> hi snyke 10:01 < tsa> hi theogenis 10:04 < theogenis> *g* i'm not sure whether I considered the right thing ... using a source distro on a P-MMX 200MHz ... mhmm ;-) 10:11 < tsa> hehe 10:11 < tsa> well...you'll just have to investigate a little more time than others.. 10:13 < theogenis> if big packages get changed, i'll ask one of you guys to cross-compile it ... 10:15 < theogenis> how about these projects ala seti@home for ROCKlinux users ... hehe ;-) 10:17 -!- plfiorini|a is now known as plfiorini 10:17 < plfiorini> ciao 10:17 < plfiorini> ops, wrong window 10:19 < tsa> hehe 10:19 < tsa> theogenis: hm... 10:19 < tsa> it's possible to make a cluster build.. 10:19 < theogenis> even with cross-compilation? 10:19 < tsa> but the first stages have to be done by every cluster node to get the chroot environment.. 10:20 < tsa> hm....i don't know, never tried that one out. 10:20 < theogenis> i dunno well about theses technologies 10:20 < tsa> i currently didn't try anything but x86 10:20 < tsa> have a sun at home, but it's running sol8.. 10:22 < theogenis> 'd be a cool thing anyway ;-D 10:22 < tsa> hehe, sure.. 10:31 -!- tomik [~tomik@212.11.125.147] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 10:31 -!- tomik [~tomik@212.11.125.147] has joined #rocklinux 10:37 -!- theogenis is now known as theogenis^sf 10:41 < tsa> sf? 10:41 < theogenis^sf> sourceforge 10:41 < theogenis^sf> i am looking for a windowmanager 10:43 < tsa> ah, i see 10:43 < tsa> twm. 10:43 < tsa> ;-) 10:46 < theogenis^sf> Linux brood 2.4.19 #5 Sun Aug 11 23:19:11 CEST 2002 i586 unknown 10:46 < theogenis^sf> :-D 11:01 -!- theogenis^sf is now known as theogenis^compil 11:01 -!- theogenis^compil is now known as theogen^compile 11:10 < th> theogen^compile: ion rocks. it's THE windowmanager 11:17 < tsa> hm.. 11:17 < tsa> what do you guys recommend for network/service monitoring?= 11:18 < tsa> just encountered a netsaint process that was doing absolutely nothing since moths.. 11:18 < tsa> :-(( 11:18 < theogen^compile> th: url 11:18 -!- theogen^compile is now known as theogenis 11:18 < th> ouhm 11:18 < th> freshmeat 11:19 < th> there are some other projects containing ion in it's name 11:19 < th> but search for the windowmanager ion 11:19 < th> and don't expect something sawfish like 11:20 < theogenis> tsa: I am going to write a overall system monitoring programm (very extensive) ... bu, erm, ealiest in one year 11:20 < tsa> hm.. 11:20 < tsa> ok. 11:21 < tsa> tell me when you are finished.. ;-) 11:21 < theogenis> will take two years i propose 11:23 < tsa> hehe 11:23 < tsa> i'll ask you again in 5 years, then.. 11:23 < theogenis> i hope that i'll be still alive then 11:23 < theogenis> xD 11:24 < th> it's impossible to look more than a year into future ;) 11:24 < tsa> th: i'd be glad about being able to plan more than 2 weeks into future.. ;-) 11:25 < th> yea 11:27 < theogenis> th: ION is like a graphical ratpoison ... I like these full keyboard manageable wms, but, although i'm sitting toward a 17' monitor, it can provide only 800x600 11:28 < theogenis> and will be a bit too small i fear 11:28 < theogenis> +that 11:28 < th> hmm? 11:28 < th> ion is very efficient regarding size 11:28 < th> i would even prefer ion on 640x480 11:28 < th> it's efficient because it does not know window-overlapping 11:29 < th> in fact "windows" overlap. 11:29 < theogenis> yes i know, i have used ratpoison a qutie long time 11:29 < theogenis> quite 11:29 < th> but they overlap at a whole 11:29 < th> ahhhh 11:29 < th> i did not know that ratpoison is software ;) 11:29 < th> thought you started flaming 11:30 < th> i should have a look to ratpoison 11:30 < theogenis> ratpoison is like screen, but for X 11:30 < th> detachable? 11:31 < theogenis> mh, dunno ... could be it's planned or already integrated - I mean the control and the behaviour 11:32 < th> well. screen can not split vertically. 11:33 < theogenis> if ratpoison didn't support this, it would really suck 11:33 < th> it supports that 11:33 < th> ouhm the have emacs on their screenshots 11:34 < th> i really can't appreciate that 11:34 < theogenis> however, i am getting ION now 11:34 < theogenis> a try it's worth 11:34 < theogenis> how stable is the development version? 11:35 < th> i'm running 20020207 without any problems 11:35 < th> but it's no dev-version, is it? 11:35 < theogenis> nope 11:36 < th> should take a look for new features 11:37 < theogenis> is it written entirely in C? 11:38 < th> dunno think so 11:46 * tsa yawns. 11:47 < theogenis> *g* 11:48 < tsa> i'd really like to be dead for a week or something....i could definitely need some sleep... 11:48 < tsa> ;) 11:48 < tsa> hm...temporary death has not yet been invented, correct? 11:49 < theogenis> okay ION installed, now i only must configure and set up X %) 11:49 < theogenis> tsa: of course... huebi does it all time 11:50 < tsa> hehe 11:53 < tsa> bbl. 11:53 < tsa> cu 11:53 -!- tsa [~tsa@sec-01.bi.devcon.net] has quit ("wech.") 12:05 -!- theogenis is now known as theogen^grandma 12:23 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817112.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:23 < bluefire> hi 12:29 < [anders]> moin 12:29 * [anders] is off sick 2day.. been up all night throwing up.. :-( 12:29 < th> poor you 12:29 * [anders] does indeed feel rather sorry for himself.. 12:31 < [anders]> but, it has enabled me to put some time on ROCK today.. (1.5.18-Gnome2 to be precise..) 12:31 -!- plfiorini_ [~plfiorini@r-bo043-2-277.tin.it] has joined #rocklinux 12:31 < [anders]> moin plfiorini_ 12:32 < plfiorini_> hi [anders] 12:32 < plfiorini_> hrm 12:32 < [anders]> plfiorini_: I got your e-mail.. :) 12:32 < plfiorini_> [anders]: good.... bin86 fails on rock 1.5.18 cvs of yesterday 12:32 < [anders]> plfiorini_: not sure what they have done to it.. Works in my tree.. :) 12:33 < plfiorini_> hrm 12:34 < [anders]> plfiorini_: I have also gone through and updated lots of gnome2 packages now.. and added the checksums to the .pz's as well.. the tree is not publicly available yet.. I want it to work preferably.. :) 12:34 < plfiorini_> == 12:33:55 =[5]=> Building base package bin86 [0.16.7 0.0.1]. 12:34 < plfiorini_> Pkg-Config: bin86.desc bin86.conf done. 12:34 < plfiorini_> Building. Writing output to /var/adm/logs/5-bin86.out 12:34 < plfiorini_> Can't auto-dedect srctar for package 'bin86'! 12:34 < plfiorini_> Creating md5sums and cksums of package bin86 ... done. 12:34 < plfiorini_> Creating tars/ia32-bin86.tar.bz2 ... 52k 12:34 < plfiorini_> == 12:33:56 08/12/02 =[5]=> Aborted building package bin86. 12:34 < th> sounds like the source is missing 12:35 < plfiorini_> th: i have done ./scripts/Download -package bin86 12:35 < th> hmm 12:35 < plfiorini_> https://www.cix.co.uk/~mayday/bin86-0.16.7.tar.gz 12:35 < plfiorini_> oh this is wrong 12:35 < [anders]> plfiorini_: look in base-archive/bin86 if there is a file there.. 12:36 < plfiorini_> nope 12:36 < plfiorini_> there's no directory :) 12:36 < [anders]> plfiorini_: there's your answer then.. :) 12:36 < th> ack 12:36 < plfiorini_> th: imho it should download from www.cix.co.uk/~mayday/bin86/bin86-0.16.7.tar.gz 12:37 < [anders]> plfiorini_: I use ./scripts/Download -pattern 'base-archive/bin86/*' myself.. 12:37 < plfiorini_> this is the reason because it failse 12:37 < th> plfiorini_: i'm on it 12:37 < th> yea that url just 404s 12:38 < plfiorini_> https://www.cix.co.uk/~mayday/bin86-0.16.7.tar.gz doesn't exists 12:38 < th> because 0.16.8 is out i suppose 12:38 < plfiorini_> th: ok now i update base-config/bin86/bin86.pz 12:38 < th> plfiorini_: have cvs write access? 12:38 < plfiorini_> th: no :( 12:38 < th> so i'll correct the download path 12:39 < plfiorini_> th: ok good 12:39 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817112.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 12:39 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817112.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:40 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817112.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Client Quit) 12:40 < th> done 12:41 < plfiorini_> ok thanks th 12:41 < th> hmmm 12:41 < th> still 404 12:42 < th> they changed the PATH too 12:42 < th> those bastards 12:42 < plfiorini_> th: wait 12:42 < plfiorini_> add a bin86/ before the tarball 12:42 < plfiorini_> https://www.cix.co.uk/~mayday/dev86/bin86-0.16.8.tar.gz 12:44 < th> you mean add dev86 12:44 < th> i did that a minute ago 12:44 < plfiorini_> after ~mayday/ 12:44 < th> ack 12:44 < plfiorini_> yes i meant dev86, scuse me :) 12:46 < th> now it does not fail 12:46 < [anders]> humma.. new stage 3 fired off with all the updates to the gnome2 packages. hopefully I can get this to build properly now.. 12:46 < [anders]> got stuck on libgtkhtml before.. 12:48 -!- theogen^grandma is now known as theogenis 12:48 < theogenis> re 12:59 -!- theogenis is now known as theogen^hack 12:59 < theogen^hack> Search for Target ... progressing ... Target found: esden's install menu 13:08 < plfiorini_> th: what i should regenerate? i have updated bin86.pz but ./wscripts/Build-Pkg searches for 0.16.7 not 0.16.8 13:08 -!- plfiorini_ is now known as plfiorini|eat 13:08 < th> plfiorini_: i think you need to Puzzle 13:19 < theogen^hack> esden: being here? 14:06 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pD9E1C407.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:06 -!- theogen^hack [~tobrit@pD9E49735.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:14 -!- r4q7d3m1y [~snyke@pD9502A7E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:28 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-2-277.tin.it] has quit (Ping timeout: 14400 seconds) 14:32 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A6E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:36 -!- Ge0rG [georg@op-co.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:41 < [anders]> interesting.. with Gnome 2.0.1 atk and pango now depends on glib. it used to be the other way around in Gnome 2.0.0.. *hrrrmpfh* 14:59 < r4q7d3m1y> whoops 14:59 < r4q7d3m1y> sorry ^^ 14:59 -!- r4q7d3m1y [~snyke@pD9502A7E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ("°ShowDowN v12 PrO° since 1996: https://www.sci.fi/~showdown/") 14:59 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A7E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:03 -!- plfiorini|eat is now known as plfiorini 15:04 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pD9E1C407.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 15:13 < plfiorini> ./scripts/Download -package bin86 15:13 < plfiorini> Downloading all from base-config/bin86/bin86.pz ... 15:13 < plfiorini> base-archive/bin86/bin86-0.16.8.tar.gz 15:13 < plfiorini> ERROR: Unknown file: base-archive/bin86/bin86-0.16.8.tar.gz. 15:13 < plfiorini> folks, this is so strange 15:13 < th> plfiorini: hmm? 15:14 < th> plfiorini: do a ./scripts/Update bin86 15:14 < plfiorini> ooh 15:14 < th> be sure to have my Update script 15:15 < plfiorini> yes 15:15 < plfiorini> i am sure 15:15 < plfiorini> neither Update works 15:15 < th> what does it say? 15:15 < plfiorini> i have updated INDEX-1.5 and bin86.pz 15:15 < plfiorini> ./scripts/Download -package bin86 15:15 < plfiorini> Downloading all from base-config/bin86/bin86.pz ... 15:15 < plfiorini> base-archive/bin86/bin86-0.16.8.tar.gz 15:15 < plfiorini> ERROR: Unknown file: base-archive/bin86/bin86-0.16.8.tar.gz. 15:15 -!- uniplex [~zip@ip68-99-105-125.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:15 < th> what does it (my Update script) say? 15:16 < plfiorini> i tried to download myself, but it does nothing 15:16 < plfiorini> checking ext-config... 15:16 < plfiorini> checking base-config... 15:16 < th> hmm 15:16 < plfiorini> Update doesn't tell me about nothing 15:16 < plfiorini> it's so weird 15:16 < th> Update is not to update your installation 15:16 < th> but to update content of base-config and ext-config 15:17 < plfiorini> hrm 15:17 < plfiorini> Download tell me I have an Unknown file: base-archive/bin86/bin86-0.16.8.tar.gz. 15:18 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 15:18 < Mike1> moin 15:18 < th> plfiorini: does base-archive/bin86/ exist? 15:18 < th> hi Mike1 15:19 -!- theogen^hack [~tobrit@pD9E49735.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:20 < plfiorini> hi Make1 15:20 < plfiorini> th: yes it does exists 15:20 < th> plfiorini: ok try this: rm -r base-config/bin86/ base-archive/bin86/ ; scripts/Update bin86 15:22 < uniplex> would someone give me a link to where I can dl an iso, the ISO Archive link at https://www1.rocklinux.org/getting.html is timing out on me 15:22 < theogen^hack> mh 15:23 < Mike1> uniplex: iso.rocklinux.org 15:24 < th> uniplex: have a look at https://download.rocklinux.de/ 15:24 < Mike1> download.rocklinux.de 15:24 < uniplex> ok thanks 15:24 < Mike1> th great minds think alike 15:24 < plfiorini> th: ok this works, thanks a lot 15:25 < th> plfiorini: so i think you did just not run scripts/Puzzle 15:25 < plfiorini> i run scripts/pz-config.sh 15:26 < rolla> re all 15:26 < plfiorini> == 15:25:32 08/12/02 =[5]=> Finished building package bin86. 15:26 < plfiorini> hehe it's just work ;) 15:26 < th> plfiorini: ouhm. i don't know this one 15:26 < th> plfiorini: scripts/Puzzle is for puzzleing 15:27 < th> plfiorini: but you should rather only use scripts/Update to change {base,ext}-config 15:27 < uniplex> is /1.5/1.5.18 the one I want? 15:27 < th> uniplex: should be 15:27 < uniplex> I get permission denied going to 1.6 15:28 < uniplex> ok thanks 15:29 < uniplex> im gona mount the iso on a nfs server and install it over the lan 15:30 < th> uniplex: you could even just extract eacht tar.bz2 file 15:30 < uniplex> is the iso sources or binaries? 15:30 < th> uniplex: and run scripts from /etc/setup.d after that 15:30 < th> uniplex: binary 15:31 < th> uniplex: but it countains source-information to download and build all packages from source 15:31 < th> uniplex: with facility to get up-to-date sources and build-instructions 15:31 < uniplex> cool, I look forward to using it :) 15:32 < th> uniplex: and if something does not build you really should send a patch to fix it 15:33 < uniplex> only problem is I barely know how to write a bash script 15:33 < uniplex> :) 15:33 < th> ouhm 15:34 < uniplex> I'll be learning c after I tackel a couple other things I want to learn 15:36 < theogen^hack> bother a month with bash, reading the Advanced Bash scripting Guide, and you'll be fine 15:37 < uniplex> from tldp.org? 15:38 < theogen^hack> yup 15:39 < uniplex> alright thanks 15:39 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A7E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ("°ShowDowN v12 PrO° since 1996: https://www.sci.fi/~showdown/") 15:41 < uniplex> is there a floppy dl too boot the machine to do the nfs install? 15:42 < th> good question 15:42 < th> don't know what's in the kernel 15:42 < th> but you can take ANY floppy to boot into network that is capable of it 15:43 < th> mount and extract 15:43 < th> you just need a tar 15:43 < uniplex> is rock linux for the more experienced? 15:43 < th> might be 15:51 < rolla> getting gnome2 to compile on drock is a pain 15:53 < Mike1> rolla: gnome2 is near to be included in the 1.5 tree 15:54 < Mike1> rolla: just a few more day to test it right and solve a few build problems 15:56 < uniplex> silly question maybe, but will I run into any problems with rock linux not knowing german language? 15:56 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pD9E1C407.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:56 < Mike1> uniplex: everything is in english 15:56 < uniplex> ok thanks 15:57 < Mike1> uniplex: but there will be other languges in the future: https://www.rocklinux.org/people/mike/projects/multi-lang/multi.html 15:57 < rolla> Mike1 : yeah but I wanted it now so I was compiling it and having to track down all the things that are missing is a pain 15:58 < Mike1> rolla: oh yeah iyts a pain :) besides that you will need gnome1.4 packages 15:58 < Mike1> or some packages wont build 16:03 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-2-277.tin.it] has quit ("Leaving") 16:03 < rolla> ?? 16:03 < rolla> I have built it on machines without gnome 1.4 on them 16:03 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-2-277.tin.it] has joined #rocklinux 16:04 < Mike1> rolla: so you are simply using another prefix? 16:04 < [anders]> Mike1: hola.. 16:04 < Mike1> [anders]: God morgon! 16:04 < [anders]> Mike1: I have updated the Gnome2 sources.. :) 16:04 < Mike1> :) 16:05 < [anders]> you might want to take a peek in the rsync tree. ;-) 16:05 < Mike1> [anders]: great, as you can see rolla and i were just talking about it :) 16:05 * Mike1 is taking a peek now :) 16:05 < [anders]> I have a few uncomitted changes, I have altered the build order of atk, pango and glib as apperantly atk and pango now depend on glib rather than the other way around as before. 16:06 < plfiorini> [anders]: where do you put gnome2 packages? base, ext or what? can you make a new repository in 1.5? 16:06 < Mike1> plfiorini: we have gnome2 on the base dir of our private rock 1.5 tree 16:07 < plfiorini> Make1: have you rm -rf all the gnome 1.4 pkgs? 16:07 < rolla> Mike1: prefix ? 16:07 < Mike1> plfiorini: as soons as we make sure it builds properly it will be included in the official tree 16:07 < [anders]> rolla: what Mike1 ment about having some gnome 1.4 packages is that for example Evolution is not gtk+ 2.0 compatible yet.. 16:07 < [anders]> plfiorini: Gnome2 packages goes into base.. 16:08 < Mike1> plfiorini: some of then but not all of them, sme gnome 1.4 packages are still required as [anders] just said 16:08 < plfiorini> ok 16:08 < rolla> ah I understand 16:08 < [anders]> rolla: so to get some things to build, you will need a few Gnome 1.4 libraries and packages still hanging around.. As developers update to use gtk+ 2.0, this will become less and less of a problem. 16:09 < rolla> :) yeah 16:09 < rolla> thanks 16:09 < [anders]> currently I have still glib, gtk+ and orbit from Gnome 1.4 hanging around, and perhaps more will be needed. 16:10 < Mike1> cat anders.txt .... you sure take the patching serious dont you my friend? 16:10 < [anders]> Mike1: much easier to syncronise two trees using diff -u and patch. ;-) 16:10 < rolla> right now I am having trouble with the sgml stuff 16:11 * [anders] goes to make a cup of tea.. 16:11 < plfiorini> how do i make a new repository other than base and ext (in 1.5)? 16:11 < Mike1> [anders]: btw i will make a dummy change i will update VERSION, you only took care of parse-config file :) 16:12 < Mike1> plfiorini: by making ur own rock 1.5 tree 16:12 < Mike1> just like [anders] and i do 16:12 < Mike1> also i am sure there is more people doing stuff like that 16:12 < plfiorini> Mike1: yes i supposed it, but should i modify something in scripts? 16:12 < plfiorini> Mike1: yes, i think so 16:13 < Mike1> its your personal tree you can modify the scripts at your own risk :) 16:13 < plfiorini> ok :) 16:15 < [anders]> Mike1: lemme know when you have fixed it and I'll pull the tree to here.. :) 16:15 < rolla> which ver. of rock do I need to get the gnome2 stuff ? 16:15 < Mike1> [anders]: i just did i am editing changelog 16:15 < [anders]> Mike1: kool.. 16:15 < Mike1> rolla: 1.7 has allmost everything building now at least guess 80% 16:16 < [anders]> rolla: ROCK 1.7 already has a lot of Gnome2 stuff in it.. ROCK 1.5 will have it when Mike and I are happy with it.. :) 16:16 < rolla> ah okay I shall wait for 1.5 :) 16:16 < Mike1> 1.5 in not currently using gnome2 but you can wait for me and [anders] to port it 16:16 < Mike1> *g 16:17 < [anders]> Mike1: b.t.w., take a look at all the mods to the build order.. ;-) I have tweaked every single package in the 030/031 so far and more tweaks will be needed I am sure.. :) 16:17 < [anders]> rolla: the idea is to get Gnome2 into ROCK 1.6.x fully working and know to build. 16:18 < rolla> cool let me know if need any help 16:18 * [anders] is compiling new stage three since earlier this morning, with all the fixes since last night and this morning.. 16:18 < Mike1> [anders]: feel free to sync the tree anythime now :) 16:18 * [anders] is off sick today so have had some time to work on it.. 16:18 < [anders]> Mike1: cheers. :) 16:19 < Mike1> [anders]: dont missunderstand me but i am glad you are off sick :) 16:22 < [anders]> Mike1: ok, updated tree on the way back up.. Just have to tweak the changelog.. 16:23 < Mike1> [anders]: sure :), do you think more package updates will be needed for now? 16:24 < Mike1> else i am going to fetch the current tree (which won take longer than 1 hour or 2), and then build 16:25 < [anders]> Mike1: I was getting stuck on libgtkhtml, and could not get it working last night. But as a lot of packages has been updated, I am trying it again now.. (Damn qt takes forever and a day to build..) 16:25 < Mike1> rolla: yes we need help, gimme a while so i can set up a cvs server, and then you can join us if you like 16:26 < Mike1> we are currently using rsync but whith more then 2 people it will be more than dangerous to keep it 16:28 < rolla> yeah 16:28 < [anders]> Mike1: ok, you can grab the tree now.. I have added the last updates.. 16:28 < rolla> I am game for help and I have a few machines to do the build on :) 16:28 < rxr__> re 16:29 -!- rxr__ is now known as rxr 16:29 < Mike1> Hi rxr :) 16:29 < [anders]> moin rxr 16:30 < Mike1> rolla: excellent now let us do some stuff i will let you know whne cvs server is ready 16:31 * rxr is in Berlin again ;M-) 16:31 < rxr> any news? 16:31 < [anders]> with CVS is is easier to update packages as well.. just check out a package or two and work on it, then check it back in.. Less chance of anyone undoing someone-elses mods.. 16:34 < rolla> yeah that I understand I run a couple of cvs servers for my devlopers 16:45 * theogen^hack is bugfixing the remaining disk amount calculator of the install shell 16:45 < theogen^hack> Has anyone had problems with it so far? 16:47 < rxr> theogen^hack: no. 16:47 < rxr> in dRock it works as aspected ... 16:49 < theogen^hack> never used it, i speak about the rock 1.5 merge 16:50 < theogen^hack> I am going to clean it up and improve it over the next days 16:56 < plfiorini> good 98 packages built 16:56 < rxr> theogen^hack: the best would be to comare it with the dRock install - there are some other crash bugs fixed. Maybe even a free disk bug. 17:00 < theogen^hack> rxr: i really dislike the often use of statical arrays 17:01 < theogen^hack> s,often,frequent 17:01 < theogen^hack> rxr: I won't browse through the hole install_bin.c file, only the parts effecting the menu 17:05 < rxr> theogen^hack: in dRock the menu_install is an external program ... 17:05 < theogen^hack> hm 17:54 -!- htheogen^ack [~tobrit@pD9E49735.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:54 -!- theogen^hack [~tobrit@pD9E49735.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:54 < htheogen^ack> urgs 17:54 < htheogen^ack> #include <stdio.h> 17:54 < htheogen^ack> int main(void) { 17:54 < htheogen^ack> int *dum; 17:54 < htheogen^ack> dum = (int *) calloc(1,200); 17:54 < htheogen^ack> printf("--> %d\n", sizeof(*dum)); 17:54 < htheogen^ack> return 0; 17:54 < htheogen^ack> } 17:55 < htheogen^ack> I get crazy, why is sizeof(*dum) always 4 17:56 < rxr> htheogen^ack: size of a pointer !!! 17:56 < rxr> (on x86) 17:56 < htheogen^ack> yes, but i do *dum 17:56 < htheogen^ack> it should be dereferenced 17:56 < rxr> oh 17:56 < rxr> size of int 17:56 < th> ack 17:56 < htheogen^ack> yes 17:56 < th> size of int 17:57 < th> sizeof can't dereference and see size of malloced area 17:57 < htheogen^ack> uh 17:57 < th> sizeof is not for runtime 17:57 < htheogen^ack> ic 17:57 < th> hmm calloc 17:57 < htheogen^ack> then i must do it with temp variables and strlen 17:58 < th> hmm ok it's just like malloc with clearing 17:58 < th> htheogen^ack: strlen? 17:58 < th> htheogen^ack: just works on strings 17:59 < htheogen^ack> it's a container for a string 18:00 < htheogen^ack> but i do it somewhat other now 18:01 -!- Ge0rG is now known as ge0rg 18:16 < plfiorini> oh good, after 1 or 2 hours... Creating tars/ia32-xfree86.tar.bz2 ... 18:30 < rxr> urgs: 1322 file modifications in ROCK 1.7 in the last three weeks ... 18:31 < rxr> after all trival modifications: 173 patches left 18:36 < blindcoder> g'evening 18:39 < Mike1> hi blindcoder 18:39 < rxr> hi Mike1 18:40 < th> hi Mike1 18:40 < Mike1> hallo rxr and th :) 18:40 < Mike1> rxr: enjoyed your vacation? 18:40 < rxr> jups - I did 18:41 < rxr> Mike1: any ROCK news ? 18:41 < Mike1> rxr: i am very glad to hear that :) 18:41 -!- d3mian [~demian@208.165.55.137] has joined #rocklinux 18:41 < d3mian> re 18:42 < Mike1> rxr: ROCK in general or specific trees? 18:42 < Mike1> hi d3mian 18:42 < d3mian> hi all 18:42 < rxr> Mike1: any important stuff you want to tell ;-)! 18:42 < rxr> hi d3mian 18:43 -!- plfiorini is now known as plfiorini|shower 18:43 < Mike1> rxr: hehe just that i suppose that you already know that [anders] and i are working adding gnome2 to the 1.5 tree (currently working on a private tree) 18:44 < Mike1> hopefully we will be happy with the way it builds in a few days 18:45 < rxr> I'll also review the 1.7 changes and update gnome2 to 2.0.1 and fix the remainting issues ... 18:45 < Mike1> regarding the sparc port i am working a report for the rolling rock magazine, but dont know the current status of the port on the 1.7 tree, thought you could give me some help 18:45 < rxr> (in 1.7) 18:45 < uniplex> real quick, has anyone here had any success with rock linux and wmaker? 18:45 < th> uniplex: ack 18:45 < Mike1> uniplex: yes 18:45 < th> uniplex: i see no problems 18:45 < d3mian> uniplex: sure 18:45 < uniplex> alrighty then, thanx 18:46 < rxr> uniplex: jups - fine in dRock 18:47 < Mike1> runs fine in 1.5 tree , currenlty running on 1.7 too :) 18:47 < uniplex> sorry but I don't know what that is, I just dl'd the iso a few minutes ago 18:47 < Mike1> uniplex: rock-1.7 ... rock-1.5 18:47 < uniplex> I think I'm gona dl the source's though 18:48 < uniplex> oh, I meant <rxr> uniplex: jups - fine in dRock 18:48 < Mike1> uniplex: https://drocklinux.dyndns.org 18:49 < rxr> better: https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/drock.html 18:49 < Mike1> rxr: :) 18:50 < d3mian> Mike1: i ahvent talked with william cauz his phone has been disable.. ill do it now, then i have to go escazu 18:50 < d3mian> cu later guys 18:50 < Mike1> d3mian: okis 18:50 < Mike1> have fun 18:52 < uniplex> If I just want wmaker should I just go with rock linux and not drock? 18:53 < uniplex> also, I have no idea how this even installs, except that I have to boot a linux floppy that'll untar the source and then a compiler that fits on a floppy I dunno..? 18:55 < d3mian> uniplex: try insalling first mean an ISO. Read the documentation is the CD, or go to www.rocklinux.org and read the docs 18:55 < d3mian> s/is/in 18:55 < uniplex> will do, thanx 18:57 < uniplex> the GCC Stack-Smashing Protector sounds good :) 18:59 -!- plfiorini|shower is now known as plfiorini 19:10 < uniplex> - but excluding menu driven configuration tools would that mean that I wouldn't be able to use wmakerprefs utility? 19:11 < hackbard> there is wmaker extensions for rock too 19:11 < Mike1> hackbard: Hi 19:12 < hackbard> there has allways been, though some drock developers claim they only had it :p 19:12 < hackbard> ;) 19:12 < hackbard> hi miguel! 19:12 < Mike1> hackbard: wie gehts? 19:13 < hackbard> gut und selbst? :) 19:13 < Mike1> gut 19:19 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-2-277.tin.it] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:22 < rxr> hi hackbard 19:31 < htheogen^ack> hm 19:33 < htheogen^ack> is it possible to print the amount a (malloced) pointer tooks via gdb? 19:33 < htheogen^ack> strlen only prints the character between begin and the first appearence of '\0', not sufficient in my case 19:34 < blindcoder> hmm... dunno but you could try malloc_usable_size(pointer); 19:34 * [anders] wonders if anyone would use a ROCK install with GRSecurity enhanced kernel..? 19:35 < [anders]> as in, grsecurity patch for the kernel available on the CD, not applied to the install kernel however.. 19:35 < htheogen^ack> [anders]: it's right as it is! 19:36 < [anders]> htheogen^ack: how do you mean? 19:36 -!- htheogen^ack is now known as theogenis 19:36 < th> theogenis: why don't you know the ammount of mem you alloced? 19:37 < theogenis> [anders]: i would prefer a config option at Build-time, but not built it in the kernel on the ISOs 19:37 < theogenis> s,built,build,2 19:37 * [anders] will probably start including a 'patch directory' on his install ISO with GRSecurity patch, crypto-api patch and WOLK patches.. 19:38 < [anders]> theogenis: that's sort of what I meant... :) See above.. 19:38 < theogenis> i don't like any of them as long as it's not a server 19:38 < [anders]> theogenis: so you would like some of them if it is a server? :) 19:39 < theogenis> yes, but i think gentoo goes the wrong way by default enabling it 19:39 * [anders] absolutely hates double negative scentences.. 19:39 < theogenis> don't want this in rocklinux 19:39 < [anders]> theogenis: no, I just want to make it available on the CD so that when you install and you build your kernel, the patches are there if you want them.. 19:40 < th> [anders]: he just said something about non-servers. no information available what he thinks of servers 19:40 * [anders] would like grsecurity and crypto-api in any kernel used on his boxes.. 19:41 < theogenis> [anders]: no, not if you programm in C usually :-) 19:42 < [anders]> theogenis: hehe... I know, no strace, no peeking in /proc and a lot of other restrictions, but on a machine used for several people, it is good to have.. 19:42 < theogenis> blindcoder: what header must I include? 19:42 < [anders]> theogenis: besides, all the bits can be turned on or off at boot time.. 19:42 < blindcoder> none, normally 19:42 < blindcoder> or maybe malloc.h 19:43 < theogenis> [anders]: as i said for server it's pretty good, esp, for shell servers 19:43 < theogenis> [anders]: even for private PCs running a apache of a ftpd, it isn't necessary - a well chroot jail does wonder 19:43 < [anders]> theogenis: agreed.. Even for workstations it can be rather handy. Especially if you are maintaining a lot of them.. 19:44 < [anders]> theogenis: well, grsecurity enhances the chroot jails and makes them harder to break out of. 19:45 < theogenis> i know, but to break a chroot in the normal kernel, you have to own root priviledges 19:45 < theogenis> i don't like preventing me from work only for unreasonable paranoia ;-) 19:46 < [anders]> theogenis: just because I am paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get me.. ;-) 19:47 < [anders]> joke aside, grsecurity on my laptop was perhaps overkill, but on a box you stick on the net, I would be inclined to advice it.. 19:54 < rolla> grr 19:55 < theogenis> blindcoder: mh? ... get a core dump SEGV 19:55 < th> [anders]: you mixed that joke up 19:55 < th> [anders]: doesn't seem to sense this way 19:59 < theogenis> 591 tmp_ptr = malloc(100); 19:59 < theogenis> 592 dummy = malloc(250); 19:59 < theogenis> 593 df_string = malloc(strlen(mount_desc) + 250); 19:59 < theogenis> 645 printf("\t(2) ---- (2) ---- (2)\n"); 19:59 < theogenis> 646 all_size += strlen(tmp_ptr); 19:59 < theogenis> 647 while ( all_size >= length_dummy ) { 19:59 < theogenis> 648 printf("\t\t____ <1> interloop <1> ____\n"); 19:59 < theogenis> 649 dummy = realloc(dummy, 100); 19:59 < theogenis> 650 df_string = realloc(df_string, 100); 20:00 < theogenis> 651 length_dummy += 100; 20:00 < theogenis> 652 printf("\t\t____ <2> interloop <2> ____\n"); 20:00 < theogenis> 653 } 20:00 < theogenis> 654 printf("\t(3) ---- (3) ---- (3)\n"); 20:00 < theogenis> 655 strcat(dummy, tmp_ptr); 20:00 < theogenis> 656 printf("\t(4) ---- (4) ---- (4)\n"); 20:00 < th> grmpf 20:00 * th feels highlighted, 20:00 < theogenis> 657 } 20:00 < theogenis> 658 } 20:00 < theogenis> 659 printf("out *** out *** out\n"); 20:00 < theogenis> 660 printf("strlen df: %d\tstrlen dummy: %d", malloc_usable_size(df_string), malloc_usab le_size(dummy)); 20:00 < theogenis> 661 exit(1); 20:00 < theogenis> -- 20:00 < th> lengTH_ 20:00 < theogenis> i get a SEGV at 660 20:01 < theogenis> blindcoder? 20:01 < th> theogenis: split the printf in two 20:01 < theogenis> already did 20:01 < th> theogenis: to see whether it's df_string (which i think it is) 20:02 < theogenis> yes, it is 20:04 < [anders]> th: the joke is supposed to be that way.. :) 20:05 < th> [anders]: it makes more sense when you say "i'm not paranoid. but this doesn't mean they are not to get me." 20:05 < theogenis> blindcoder: what does the function - you pointed to - return? 20:06 < theogenis> mh, allocated bytes 20:07 < [anders]> th: nevermind.... 20:07 < [anders]> it wasn't ment to make sense, it was ment to be fun.. 20:08 < theogenis> damn thing ... it returns 100, although strlen return 395, it seems it only returns the last allocated size (or realloc mix it up somehow) 20:09 < th> theogenis: strlen doesn't mind allocation barriers 20:09 < th> theogenis: if there is no \0 in the allocated mem it goes on searching 20:09 < theogenis> th: strlen works as exspected. 20:09 < theogenis> see above too see 20:10 < theogenis> dummy was allocated the first(!) time with 250 bytes 20:10 < theogenis> and get more and more in the loop 20:18 < blindcoder> realloc doesn't _add_ to an allocated memory... it reallocates the amount of memory you tell him 20:18 < blindcoder> sorry, have been away watching an anime 20:23 < theogenis> mh 20:23 < theogenis> yes, but that shouldn't mix malloc_usa*_size up, should it? 20:24 < blindcoder> yes it does, because you dont HAVE more than 100 bytes of usable allocated memory 20:25 < theogenis> ah, lol USABLE :-) 20:25 < theogenis> ic 20:25 < blindcoder> realloc frees all the memory and tries to malloc memory at the exact memory positions where it was frees 20:25 < blindcoder> freed 20:26 < blindcoder> so that no values are lost 20:34 < rolla> anyone here gotten rocklinux to stand up on ipv6 and connect to 6bone ? 20:37 < theogenis> blindcoder: other idea? 20:40 -!- holyolli [~oregehr@rossini.marcant.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:40 < holyolli> hi 20:46 < theogenis> blindcoder: i puzzle, i get: df_string: 1112350760 dummy: 156 20:46 < theogenis> from: 20:46 < holyolli> esden? 20:46 < theogenis> printf("df_string: %d\tdummy: %d\n\n", malloc_usable_size(df_string), malloc_usable_ size(dummy)); 20:47 < theogenis> the size of dummy is reasonable, but what the hell is going on with df_string ??? 20:48 -!- angel|of|chaos [~Angel@pD9E11293.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:48 < holyolli> hi angel 20:48 < angel|of|chaos> hi olli 20:56 -!- holyolli [~oregehr@rossini.marcant.net] has quit ("fnord!") 21:01 -!- angel|of|chaos [~Angel@pD9E11293.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (".: https://www.mpm-lan.de :.") 21:01 -!- angel|of|chaos [~Angel@pD9E11293.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:11 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pD9E1C407.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:15 -!- uniplex [~zip@ip68-99-105-125.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit ("[BX] Time wasted: -2 millenia 8 centuries -4 decades 7 years 7 months") 21:19 < fake> hello 21:19 < Mike1> hi fake 21:19 < fake> *ROFL* 21:19 < fake> angel|of|chaos *pruuuust* 21:20 < rolla> re fake 21:22 < angel|of|chaos> ? 21:22 < angel|of|chaos> was so lustig fake ? 21:24 < fake> aehm, ein insider ;) 21:24 < fake> nicht persoenlich nehmen 21:24 < angel|of|chaos> aha 21:24 < angel|of|chaos> erklärst du ihn mir trotzdem 21:24 < angel|of|chaos> <-- will mitlachen 21:25 < fake> errrm... die story hat viel overhead 21:25 < theogenis> ??? 21:26 < angel|of|chaos> tipps einfach in nen kwerry 21:26 < angel|of|chaos> *g* 21:26 < fake> aehm, nein ;P 21:26 < fake> frag clifford ob du einen cvs write account bekommst ;)) 21:26 < angel|of|chaos> cvwas ? 21:27 < angel|of|chaos> <-- hat keinen plan davon 21:27 < fake> noch besser! 21:27 < angel|of|chaos> wie mans sieht *g* 21:28 < fake> es ging um die restirktivitaet eines cvs-verwalters 21:28 < angel|of|chaos> axxo 21:28 < fake> ich sollte versuchen mit dem namen "angel|of|chaos" einen cvs write access (schreibrecht) zu bekommen 21:28 < fake> deswegen ;) 21:28 < angel|of|chaos> dann kann ich mir ungefähr denken worums gehts 21:28 < angel|of|chaos> -s 21:29 < angel|of|chaos> <-- hüpft mal grad unter die dusche 21:30 < fake> viel sauberwerden 21:35 -!- angel|of|chaos is now known as angel|||na 21:42 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@linus.regehr.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:42 < holyolli> re 21:43 < fake> re holyolli 22:01 -!- ge0rg is now known as Ge0rG 22:02 -!- angel|||na is now known as angel|of|chaos 22:02 < angel|of|chaos> re 22:02 < angel|of|chaos> re olli 22:39 -!- uniplex [~zip@ip68-99-105-125.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:44 < [anders]> huebi: *poke* 22:45 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A7E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:45 < snyke> servas 22:46 < holyolli> hi snyke 22:49 < tomik> hi 22:57 -!- angel|of|chaos [~Angel@pD9E11293.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (".: https://www.mpm-lan.de :.") 22:57 * [anders] guesses huebi is not around tonight.. 23:01 < rolla> :) 23:09 < rolla> looks like noone is around 23:10 -!- tsa [~uucp@attila.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de] has joined #rocklinux 23:10 < tsa> hi. 23:10 < tsa> hm....seems like updating gmp was't really a very good idea. 23:11 < holyolli> hi tsa. 23:11 < tsa> at least, that's what my gnome says.. 23:11 < tsa> huhu holyolli 23:13 < uniplex> have any of you guys compiled in a security enhanced kernel on rocklinux? 23:14 < uniplex> i.e. selinux 23:14 < tsa> nope, never tried it. 23:15 < uniplex> with rock linux you can dl and install sources just like any other linux, right? 23:15 < tsa> grsec / lids shouldn't cause any trouble, don't know about selinux. 23:15 < tsa> sure. 23:16 < uniplex> sorry if I seem to have some silly questions, im still trying to decide if rocklinux is really for me or not :) 23:16 < uniplex> I guess I just gota try it and find out 23:16 < tsa> damn. 23:17 < tsa> fscking gnome. 23:17 < uniplex> only thing is the computer I would install the sources on is a p133, that would take like a week to build the rocklinux distro on? 23:18 < uniplex> gota go bbl 23:18 < tsa> hm.. 23:18 < tsa> gotte recompile gnome-libs, too. 23:18 < tsa> hm.... 23:19 < tsa> never tried building on an p133. 23:19 < theogenis> th? 23:19 < th> ack 23:20 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@paradome.de] has joined #rocklinux 23:20 < th> theogenis: hmm? 23:22 < theogenis> th: moment 23:22 < huebi> Moin. Und ich sprach: "Und nach mir die Sintflut." 23:22 < th> hi huebi 23:22 < holyolli> hu huebi 23:22 < theogenis> -rwxrwxr-x 1 root root 1066 Aug 12 11:48 query.conf 23:23 < theogenis> ion: /etc/opt/ion/ion-devel/draw.conf: Permission denied 23:23 < theogenis> ion: /etc/opt/ion/ion-devel/query.conf: Permission denied 23:23 < theogenis> ... what the - ? 23:23 < tsa> hi huebi 23:23 < huebi> hi th 23:23 < th> theogenis: hmm 23:23 < huebi> hi holyolli 23:23 < huebi> hi tsa 23:23 < th> theogenis: when does this happen? 23:24 < theogenis> th: after startx 23:24 < th> theogenis: the directories are ok? 23:24 < theogenis> mom, i try it with root 23:26 < tsa> AAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 23:26 < holyolli> mh? 23:26 < holyolli> tsa? 23:26 < tsa> need gnome developer for shooting exercise. 23:26 < th> hexenschuss 23:26 < holyolli> tsa: who? 23:27 < tsa> holyolli: doesn't matter. just has to be dead afterwards. 23:27 < holyolli> tsa: no...i wanted to know who the person is to shoot at... 23:27 < huebi> hi [anders] 23:28 * holyolli is searching for a booting alpha-smp-kernel... 23:28 < [anders]> huebi: hullo there.. :) 23:29 < tsa> hi anders. 23:29 < [anders]> hi there tsa.. :) 23:29 < [anders]> moin holyolli 23:29 < [anders]> and all the others.. 23:29 < holyolli> hej anders 23:29 < huebi> 5h after we left Clifford in Austria there was no current at his home anymore. 23:30 < [anders]> huebi: getting closer to a working gnome2 stage 3 build.. I am on the last 30 or so packages before getting it working.. 23:30 < [anders]> have had to strip out some gnome 1.4 packages, but they are more or less obsolete anyway.. 23:32 < theogenis> th: yo with root is works 23:32 < th> theogenis: so check the directories 23:32 < theogenis> but i must say xf86cfg pretty sucks 23:33 < huebi> theogenis: Youre it in the right way and it works perfect. 23:33 < tsa> damn gnome stuff. 23:33 < tsa> will use twm from now on. 23:34 < holyolli> hehe 23:34 < [anders]> tsa: *g* gnome isn't that bad.. I have seen worse.. ;-) 23:34 < [anders]> tsa: let me just say 'CDE' and we will all see you wince in pain.. ;-) 23:34 < th> [anders]: must've been in hell 23:35 < tsa> [anders]: well.....i updated gmp and gnome doesn't like that, it seems.. 23:35 < [anders]> tsa: gmp? which package is that? 23:35 < theogenis> huebi: i would have modified the XF86Config, but i don't know really what card in the computer is (any old herkules, so i used xf86cfg, 'cause it creates a workable config) 23:36 < tsa> anders: gnu mp 23:36 < theogenis> but it takes 2minutes to initiziale the monitor :-( 23:36 < rolla> wow 23:36 < tsa> mulitple precision arithmetic. 23:36 < [anders]> tsa: aahh, it is one of those things.. 23:37 < [anders]> tsa: strange that Gnome should be affected by an update to that... 23:37 < tsa> yeah, just one of those little things designed just to keep me busy... 23:37 < huebi> [anders]: That sounds good, the Gnome2 effort. 23:38 < tsa> [anders]: i don't know which part of gnome1 is resposible for this.. 23:39 < tsa> randraw.c:118: GNU MP assertion failed. 23:39 < tsa> ... 23:39 < theogenis> damn, it's unuseable crowling :'-( ... must look into the damnit file 23:39 < th> a division by zero ;) 23:40 * tsa feels like grep -ri / randraw.c 23:40 < [anders]> tsa: me neither.. you could do a ps -ef and look at the processes running, then do an ldd against each exec to check which one links against it.. or is this one of those pesky static libraries? 23:41 < tsa> [anders]: well, i'll just do what i always do in that case. rebuild some of the gnome-* pkg's until it works again.. 23:42 < [anders]> tsa: as you re-build them, (my bet is gnome-libs or gnome-core), check which one it is that links against it.. 23:43 < tsa> [anders]: -libs and -core already rebuilt, still having same problem.. 23:45 < [anders]> what's the symptom again? 23:45 < tsa> would somebody please release rock 2.0 so i can seriously consider a reinstall? 23:45 < tsa> ;-) 23:45 < [anders]> tsa: I take it 1.6.0 is not an option? 23:45 < [anders]> ;-) 23:46 < tsa> anders: GNU MP assertion failed in randraw.c:118, whatever that one might beling to.. 23:46 < tsa> s,i,o, 23:46 < [anders]> tsa: I ment, does it happen when you start it up, or when you do something special? 23:48 < tsa> [anders]: everything seems to be ok at the beginning, gnome starts, panel is present. but starting an xterm, it doesn't get any border nor can i focus on it. 23:48 < tsa> [anders]: does 1.6.0 have any default desktop backgrounds with pretty chicks? 23:49 < [anders]> tsa: not at the moment no.. ;-) check with huebi if he'd mind a package with backgrounds... :) 23:49 < tsa> hm....1.6.0 isn't an option, then.- 23:49 < tsa> ;-) 23:49 < [anders]> tsa: is it your windowmanager that is causing the problem? 23:51 < theogenis> Should i choose Generic VESA or Generic VGA compatible (xf86config) ? 23:51 < tsa> [anders]: sawfish. and i really don't know. 23:51 < [anders]> if it isn't gnome-core or gnome-libs, it could be ORBit or windowmanager, perhaps some of the libraries, like libbonobo or similar.. 23:51 < [anders]> tsa: hold on a sec and I'll check something 23:52 * tsa wants gnome-all.tar.gz 23:52 < tsa> with just one damn configure, not 200! 23:54 < tsa> hm... 23:55 < tsa> randraw.c is from gmp itself. 23:55 < tsa> damn. 23:55 < [anders]> tsa: just checking all things in /usr/bin what links against libgmp 23:56 < [anders]> rep and sawfish 23:56 < tsa> rep is from rep-gtk pkg, ack? 23:57 < [anders]> librep 23:57 < [anders]> so rebuild librep and then sawfish and you should (humm) be okay.. 23:57 < tsa> hehe. 23:57 < tsa> i'll try 23:59 < tsa> building librep 23:59 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A7E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ("°ShowDowN v12 PrO° since 1996: https://www.sci.fi/~showdown/") --- Log closed Tue Aug 13 00:00:11 2002