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00:00 < tsa> neee, lass mal..
00:00 < tsa> ich versuch's dann lieber weiter auf die klassische weise..
00:00 < tsa> (k.o. schlagen und fesseln ;-)
00:01 < theogenis> ??? kein nethack package
00:06 < Ge0rG> hm... 80% mehr sind, wenn man von 0 ausgeht, immer noch 0
00:06 < tsa> oh..
00:06 < tsa> dann hab ich 80% des nethack-packages gemacht ;-)
00:07 < theogenis> *sigh*
00:08 * theogenis wanted to be @, the Avatar, a chaotic elven Wizard..
00:09 < theogenis> Wie wär's eigentlich mit nem Script, dass automatisch die Wrappers eibindet (also man damit jedes beliebige Source-Tarball kompilieren kann, die flists aber trotzdem erzeugt werden)
00:12 < holyolli> n8
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00:25 < theogenis> esden: ?
00:27 < esden> theogenis: ?
00:28 < huebi> hallo?
00:28 < tsa> hm?
00:28 < esden> wiedersehen huebi 
00:28 < tsa> haeh?
00:28 < tsa> wie jetzt?
00:29 < esden> woot tsa 
00:30 < theogenis> esden: auf deiner developers seite auf rocklinux ... die quellen des install menüs, sind die aktuell?
00:30 < theogenis> woot
00:30 < theogenis> *g*
00:33 < theogenis> PING?
00:33 < tsa> pong
00:33 < esden> urms ... hmmm ... also die laufen soweit ich weiss in 1.5 tree mommentan ... ich habe aber an denen lange nichts mehr gemacht ... also man koennte sagen das die aktuell sind
00:33 < esden> nicht stressen jungs ...
00:33 < esden> ;-)
00:34 < theogenis> hmmm
00:34 < theogenis> 0.1-pr... ?
00:34 < theogenis> hört sich erm ... naja nicht aktuell an
00:34 < esden> jaaa ... es ist das aktuellste was ich dir bieten kann ... 
00:35 < theogenis> o_O
00:35 < theogenis> okay
00:35 < esden> es funktioniert soweit ... 
00:36 < esden> aber ich wuerde es nicht alls die beste und stabielste software bezeichnen ... dann es ist im grossen und ganzen ein sehr boeser megahack das ding
00:36 < esden> sehr hochredundant und so
00:36 < tsa> solange es funktioniert, ist das doch ok..
00:36 < theogenis> ich habs gemerkt *g*
00:37 < esden> theogenis: ;-)
00:40 < esden> theogenis: ich wuerde nicht drauf wetten das es funktioniert ... bei mir hat es bis jetzt funktioniert ... und ausser featuer requests hat sich niemand bis jetzt bei mir ueber das ding ausegheult ;-)
00:40 < esden> + @ tsa
00:42 < theogenis> najo ... ich werd morgen mal schauen
00:42 < theogenis> jetzt ists mir zu spät
00:43 < theogenis> irgendwas verlangsamt dieses summarize ...
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00:45 < tsa> n8
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00:45 < Ge0rG> bye tsa
00:45 < Ge0rG> mhm... 2l8
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01:08 < hackbard> esden: noch wach?
01:09 < esden> hackbard: weniger als mehr aber nach wach ja ;-)
01:09 < hackbard> cool ;)
01:09 < hackbard> ich wollte nur fragen, ob man gkrellm docken kann?
01:09 < hackbard> und evtl diese 'ausbeulungen' oben und unten wegbekommt?
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03:52 < owl> hi
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07:17 < plfiorini> morning all
08:34 < huebi> moin
08:34 < plfiorini> hi huebi
08:34 < huebi> hi plfiorini ;-)
08:35 < plfiorini> this night i built rock, but i saw that after 5 minutes i went to bed the build failed beacause i haven't kiss
08:35 < plfiorini> :(
08:35 < huebi> rock 1.7?
08:35 < plfiorini> nope rock 1.5
08:36 < plfiorini> i'd prefer stable things :))
08:36 < huebi> 1.5.18?
08:36 < plfiorini> from yesterday cvs
08:36 < huebi> Ah, ok
08:36 < plfiorini> thid isn't a rock issue
08:37 < plfiorini> it's because i am stupid!
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09:02 < term_emu> gut morgen
09:03 < huebi> tach term_emu
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09:40 < theogenis> moin all
09:42 < theogenis> Who have access to chanserv? In the description is something wrong, i think. IMO, it should be "Welcome in the RockLinux developers' Channel" and "See also our homepage at ..." hm
09:52 < snyke> it's esden I think
09:52 < snyke> try flaming him...
09:58 < theogenis> I'll fetch Gorgor, the large and very mystical dragon
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09:58 < tsa> moin.
09:58 < snyke> moin tsa!
09:58 < theogenis> moin tsa
10:01 < tsa> hi snyke
10:01 < tsa> hi theogenis
10:04 < theogenis> *g* i'm not sure whether I considered the right thing ... using a source distro on a P-MMX 200MHz ... mhmm ;-)
10:11 < tsa> hehe
10:11 < tsa> well...you'll just have to investigate a little more time than others..
10:13 < theogenis> if big packages get changed, i'll ask one of you guys to cross-compile it ...
10:15 < theogenis> how about these projects ala seti@home for ROCKlinux users ... hehe ;-)
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10:17 < plfiorini> ciao
10:17 < plfiorini> ops, wrong window
10:19 < tsa> hehe
10:19 < tsa> theogenis: hm...
10:19 < tsa> it's possible to make a cluster build..
10:19 < theogenis> even with cross-compilation?
10:19 < tsa> but the first stages have to be done by every cluster node to get the chroot environment..
10:20 < tsa> hm....i don't know, never tried that one out.
10:20 < theogenis> i dunno well about theses technologies
10:20 < tsa> i currently didn't try anything but x86
10:20 < tsa> have a sun at home, but it's running sol8..
10:22 < theogenis> 'd be a cool thing anyway ;-D
10:22 < tsa> hehe, sure..
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10:41 < tsa> sf?
10:41 < theogenis^sf> sourceforge
10:41 < theogenis^sf> i am looking for a windowmanager
10:43 < tsa> ah, i see
10:43 < tsa> twm.
10:43 < tsa> ;-)
10:46 < theogenis^sf> Linux brood 2.4.19 #5 Sun Aug 11 23:19:11 CEST 2002 i586 unknown
10:46 < theogenis^sf> :-D
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11:10 < th> theogen^compile: ion rocks. it's THE windowmanager
11:17 < tsa> hm..
11:17 < tsa> what do you guys recommend for network/service monitoring?=
11:18 < tsa> just encountered a netsaint process that was doing absolutely nothing since moths..
11:18 < tsa> :-((
11:18 < theogen^compile> th: url
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11:18 < th> ouhm
11:18 < th> freshmeat
11:19 < th> there are some other projects containing ion in it's name
11:19 < th> but search for the windowmanager ion
11:19 < th> and don't expect something sawfish like
11:20 < theogenis> tsa: I am going to write a overall system monitoring programm (very extensive) ... bu, erm, ealiest in one year
11:20 < tsa> hm..
11:20 < tsa> ok.
11:21 < tsa> tell me when you are finished.. ;-)
11:21 < theogenis> will take two years i propose
11:23 < tsa> hehe
11:23 < tsa> i'll ask you again in 5 years, then..
11:23 < theogenis> i hope that i'll be still alive then
11:23 < theogenis> xD
11:24 < th> it's impossible to look more than a year into future ;)
11:24 < tsa> th: i'd be glad about being able to plan more than 2 weeks into future.. ;-)
11:25 < th> yea
11:27 < theogenis> th: ION is like a graphical ratpoison ... I like these full keyboard manageable wms, but, although i'm sitting toward a 17' monitor, it can provide only 800x600
11:28 < theogenis> and will be a bit too small i fear
11:28 < theogenis> +that
11:28 < th> hmm?
11:28 < th> ion is very efficient regarding size
11:28 < th> i would even prefer ion on 640x480
11:28 < th> it's efficient because it does not know window-overlapping
11:29 < th> in fact "windows" overlap.
11:29 < theogenis> yes i know, i have used ratpoison a qutie long time
11:29 < theogenis> quite
11:29 < th> but they overlap at a whole
11:29 < th> ahhhh
11:29 < th> i did not know that ratpoison is software ;)
11:29 < th> thought you started flaming
11:30 < th> i should have a look to ratpoison
11:30 < theogenis> ratpoison is like screen, but for X
11:30 < th> detachable?
11:31 < theogenis> mh, dunno ... could be it's planned or already integrated - I mean the control and the behaviour
11:32 < th> well. screen can not split vertically.
11:33 < theogenis> if ratpoison didn't support this, it would really suck
11:33 < th> it supports that
11:33 < th> ouhm the have emacs on their screenshots
11:34 < th> i really can't appreciate that
11:34 < theogenis> however, i am getting ION now
11:34 < theogenis> a try it's worth
11:34 < theogenis> how stable is the development version?
11:35 < th> i'm running 20020207 without any problems
11:35 < th> but it's no dev-version, is it?
11:35 < theogenis> nope
11:36 < th> should take a look for new features
11:37 < theogenis> is it written entirely in C?
11:38 < th> dunno think so
11:46 * tsa yawns.
11:47 < theogenis> *g*
11:48 < tsa> i'd really like to be dead for a week or something....i could definitely need some sleep...
11:48 < tsa> ;)
11:48 < tsa> hm...temporary death has not yet been invented, correct?
11:49 < theogenis> okay ION installed, now i only must configure and set up X %)
11:49 < theogenis> tsa: of course... huebi does it all time
11:50 < tsa> hehe
11:53 < tsa> bbl.
11:53 < tsa> cu
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12:23 < bluefire> hi
12:29 < [anders]> moin
12:29 * [anders] is off sick 2day.. been up all night throwing up.. :-(
12:29 < th> poor you
12:29 * [anders] does indeed feel rather sorry for himself..
12:31 < [anders]> but, it has enabled me to put some time on ROCK today.. (1.5.18-Gnome2 to be precise..)
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12:31 < [anders]> moin plfiorini_
12:32 < plfiorini_> hi [anders]
12:32 < plfiorini_> hrm
12:32 < [anders]> plfiorini_: I got your e-mail.. :)
12:32 < plfiorini_> [anders]: good.... bin86 fails on rock 1.5.18 cvs of yesterday
12:32 < [anders]> plfiorini_: not sure what they have done to it.. Works in my tree.. :)
12:33 < plfiorini_> hrm
12:34 < [anders]> plfiorini_: I have also gone through and updated lots of gnome2 packages now.. and added the checksums to the .pz's as well.. the tree is not publicly available yet.. I want it to work preferably.. :)
12:34 < plfiorini_> == 12:33:55 =[5]=> Building base package bin86 [0.16.7 0.0.1].
12:34 < plfiorini_> Pkg-Config: bin86.desc bin86.conf done.
12:34 < plfiorini_> Building. Writing output to /var/adm/logs/5-bin86.out
12:34 < plfiorini_> Can't auto-dedect srctar for package 'bin86'!
12:34 < plfiorini_> Creating md5sums and cksums of package bin86 ... done.
12:34 < plfiorini_> Creating tars/ia32-bin86.tar.bz2 ... 52k
12:34 < plfiorini_> == 12:33:56 08/12/02 =[5]=> Aborted building package bin86.
12:34 < th> sounds like the source is missing
12:35 < plfiorini_> th: i have done ./scripts/Download -package bin86
12:35 < th> hmm
12:35 < plfiorini_> http://www.cix.co.uk/~mayday/bin86-0.16.7.tar.gz
12:35 < plfiorini_> oh this is wrong
12:35 < [anders]> plfiorini_: look in base-archive/bin86 if there is a file there..
12:36 < plfiorini_> nope
12:36 < plfiorini_> there's no directory :)
12:36 < [anders]> plfiorini_: there's your answer then.. :)
12:36 < th> ack
12:36 < plfiorini_> th: imho it should download from www.cix.co.uk/~mayday/bin86/bin86-0.16.7.tar.gz
12:37 < [anders]> plfiorini_: I use ./scripts/Download -pattern 'base-archive/bin86/*' myself..
12:37 < plfiorini_> this is the reason because it failse
12:37 < th> plfiorini_: i'm on it
12:37 < th> yea that url just 404s
12:38 < plfiorini_> http://www.cix.co.uk/~mayday/bin86-0.16.7.tar.gz doesn't exists
12:38 < th> because 0.16.8 is out i suppose
12:38 < plfiorini_> th: ok now i update base-config/bin86/bin86.pz
12:38 < th> plfiorini_: have cvs write access?
12:38 < plfiorini_> th: no :(
12:38 < th> so i'll correct the download path
12:39 < plfiorini_> th: ok good
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12:40 < th> done
12:41 < plfiorini_> ok thanks th
12:41 < th> hmmm
12:41 < th> still 404
12:42 < th> they changed the PATH too
12:42 < th> those bastards
12:42 < plfiorini_> th: wait
12:42 < plfiorini_> add a bin86/ before the tarball
12:42 < plfiorini_> http://www.cix.co.uk/~mayday/dev86/bin86-0.16.8.tar.gz
12:44 < th> you mean add dev86
12:44 < th> i did that a minute ago
12:44 < plfiorini_> after ~mayday/
12:44 < th> ack
12:44 < plfiorini_> yes i meant dev86, scuse me :)
12:46 < th> now it does not fail
12:46 < [anders]> humma.. new stage 3 fired off with all the updates to the gnome2 packages. hopefully I can get this to build properly now..
12:46 < [anders]> got stuck on libgtkhtml before..
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12:48 < theogenis> re
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12:59 < theogen^hack> Search for Target ... progressing ... Target found: esden's install menu
13:08 < plfiorini_> th: what i should regenerate? i have updated bin86.pz but ./wscripts/Build-Pkg searches for 0.16.7 not 0.16.8
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13:08 < th> plfiorini_: i think you need to Puzzle
13:19 < theogen^hack> esden: being here?
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14:41 < [anders]> interesting.. with Gnome 2.0.1 atk and pango now depends on glib. it used to be the other way around in Gnome 2.0.0.. *hrrrmpfh*
14:59 < r4q7d3m1y> whoops
14:59 < r4q7d3m1y> sorry ^^
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15:13 < plfiorini> ./scripts/Download -package bin86
15:13 < plfiorini> Downloading all from base-config/bin86/bin86.pz ...
15:13 < plfiorini> base-archive/bin86/bin86-0.16.8.tar.gz
15:13 < plfiorini> ERROR: Unknown file: base-archive/bin86/bin86-0.16.8.tar.gz.
15:13 < plfiorini> folks, this is so strange
15:13 < th> plfiorini: hmm?
15:14 < th> plfiorini: do a ./scripts/Update bin86
15:14 < plfiorini> ooh
15:14 < th> be sure to have my Update script
15:15 < plfiorini> yes
15:15 < plfiorini> i am sure
15:15 < plfiorini> neither Update works
15:15 < th> what does it say?
15:15 < plfiorini> i have updated INDEX-1.5 and bin86.pz
15:15 < plfiorini> ./scripts/Download -package bin86
15:15 < plfiorini> Downloading all from base-config/bin86/bin86.pz ...
15:15 < plfiorini> base-archive/bin86/bin86-0.16.8.tar.gz
15:15 < plfiorini> ERROR: Unknown file: base-archive/bin86/bin86-0.16.8.tar.gz.
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15:15 < th> what does it (my Update script) say?
15:16 < plfiorini> i tried to download myself, but it does nothing
15:16 < plfiorini> checking ext-config...
15:16 < plfiorini> checking base-config...
15:16 < th> hmm
15:16 < plfiorini> Update doesn't tell me about nothing
15:16 < plfiorini> it's so weird
15:16 < th> Update is not to update your installation
15:16 < th> but to update content of base-config and ext-config
15:17 < plfiorini> hrm
15:17 < plfiorini> Download tell me I have an Unknown file: base-archive/bin86/bin86-0.16.8.tar.gz.
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15:18 < Mike1> moin
15:18 < th> plfiorini: does base-archive/bin86/ exist?
15:18 < th> hi Mike1
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15:20 < plfiorini> hi Make1
15:20 < plfiorini> th: yes it does exists
15:20 < th> plfiorini: ok try this: rm -r base-config/bin86/ base-archive/bin86/ ; scripts/Update bin86
15:22 < uniplex> would someone give me a link to where I can dl an iso, the ISO Archive link at http://www1.rocklinux.org/getting.html is timing out on me
15:22 < theogen^hack> mh
15:23 < Mike1> uniplex: iso.rocklinux.org
15:24 < th> uniplex: have a look at http://download.rocklinux.de/
15:24 < Mike1> download.rocklinux.de
15:24 < uniplex> ok thanks
15:24 < Mike1> th great minds think alike
15:24 < plfiorini> th: ok this works, thanks a lot
15:25 < th> plfiorini: so i think you did just not run scripts/Puzzle
15:25 < plfiorini> i run scripts/pz-config.sh
15:26 < rolla> re all
15:26 < plfiorini> == 15:25:32 08/12/02 =[5]=> Finished building package bin86.
15:26 < plfiorini> hehe it's just work ;)
15:26 < th> plfiorini: ouhm. i don't know this one
15:26 < th> plfiorini: scripts/Puzzle is for puzzleing
15:27 < th> plfiorini: but you should rather only use scripts/Update to change {base,ext}-config
15:27 < uniplex> is /1.5/1.5.18 the one I want?
15:27 < th> uniplex: should be
15:27 < uniplex> I get permission denied going to 1.6
15:28 < uniplex> ok thanks
15:29 < uniplex> im gona mount the iso on a nfs server and install it over the lan
15:30 < th> uniplex: you could even just extract eacht tar.bz2 file
15:30 < uniplex> is the iso sources or binaries?
15:30 < th> uniplex: and run scripts from /etc/setup.d after that
15:30 < th> uniplex: binary
15:31 < th> uniplex: but it countains source-information to download and build all packages from source
15:31 < th> uniplex: with facility to get up-to-date sources and build-instructions
15:31 < uniplex> cool, I look forward to using it :)
15:32 < th> uniplex: and if something does not build you really should send a patch to fix it
15:33 < uniplex> only problem is I barely know how to write a bash script
15:33 < uniplex> :)
15:33 < th> ouhm
15:34 < uniplex> I'll be learning c after I tackel a couple other things I want to learn
15:36 < theogen^hack> bother a month with bash, reading the Advanced Bash scripting Guide, and you'll be fine
15:37 < uniplex> from tldp.org?
15:38 < theogen^hack> yup
15:39 < uniplex> alright thanks
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15:41 < uniplex> is there a floppy dl too boot the machine to do the nfs install?
15:42 < th> good question
15:42 < th> don't know what's in the kernel
15:42 < th> but you can take ANY floppy to boot into network that is capable of it
15:43 < th> mount and extract
15:43 < th> you just need a tar
15:43 < uniplex> is rock linux for the more experienced?
15:43 < th> might be
15:51 < rolla> getting gnome2 to compile on drock is a pain
15:53 < Mike1> rolla: gnome2 is near to be included in the 1.5 tree
15:54 < Mike1> rolla: just a few more day to test it right and solve a few build problems
15:56 < uniplex> silly question maybe, but will I run into any problems with rock linux not knowing german language?
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15:56 < Mike1> uniplex: everything is in english
15:56 < uniplex> ok thanks
15:57 < Mike1> uniplex: but there will be other languges in the future: http://www.rocklinux.org/people/mike/projects/multi-lang/multi.html
15:57 < rolla> Mike1 : yeah but I wanted it now so I was compiling it and having to track down all the things that are missing is a pain
15:58 < Mike1> rolla: oh yeah iyts a pain :) besides that you will need gnome1.4 packages
15:58 < Mike1> or some packages wont build
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16:03 < rolla> ??
16:03 < rolla> I have built it on machines without gnome 1.4 on them
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16:04 < Mike1> rolla: so you are simply using another prefix?
16:04 < [anders]> Mike1: hola..
16:04 < Mike1> [anders]: God morgon!
16:04 < [anders]> Mike1: I have updated the Gnome2 sources.. :)
16:04 < Mike1> :)
16:05 < [anders]> you might want to take a peek in the rsync tree. ;-)
16:05 < Mike1> [anders]: great, as you can see rolla and i were just talking about it :)
16:05 * Mike1 is taking a peek now :)
16:05 < [anders]> I have a few uncomitted changes, I have altered the build order of atk, pango and glib as apperantly atk and pango now depend on glib rather than the other way around as before.
16:06 < plfiorini> [anders]: where do you put gnome2 packages? base, ext or what? can you make a new repository in 1.5?
16:06 < Mike1> plfiorini: we have gnome2 on the base dir of our private rock 1.5 tree
16:07 < plfiorini> Make1: have you rm -rf all the gnome 1.4 pkgs?
16:07 < rolla> Mike1: prefix ?
16:07 < Mike1> plfiorini: as soons as we make sure it builds properly it will be included in the official tree
16:07 < [anders]> rolla: what Mike1 ment about having some gnome 1.4 packages is that for example Evolution is not gtk+ 2.0 compatible yet..
16:07 < [anders]> plfiorini: Gnome2 packages goes into base..
16:08 < Mike1> plfiorini: some of then but not all of them, sme gnome 1.4 packages are still required as [anders] just said
16:08 < plfiorini> ok
16:08 < rolla> ah I understand
16:08 < [anders]> rolla: so to get some things to build, you will need a few Gnome 1.4 libraries and packages still hanging around.. As developers update to use gtk+ 2.0, this will become less and less of a problem.
16:09 < rolla> :) yeah
16:09 < rolla> thanks
16:09 < [anders]> currently I have still glib, gtk+ and orbit from Gnome 1.4 hanging around, and perhaps more will be needed.
16:10 < Mike1> cat anders.txt .... you sure take the patching serious dont you my friend?
16:10 < [anders]> Mike1: much easier to syncronise two trees using diff -u and patch. ;-)
16:10 < rolla> right now I am having trouble with the sgml stuff
16:11 * [anders] goes to make a cup of tea..
16:11 < plfiorini> how do i make a new repository other than base and ext (in 1.5)?
16:11 < Mike1> [anders]: btw i will make a dummy change i will update VERSION, you only took care of parse-config file :)
16:12 < Mike1> plfiorini: by making ur own rock 1.5 tree
16:12 < Mike1> just like [anders] and i do
16:12 < Mike1> also i am sure there is more people doing stuff like that
16:12 < plfiorini> Mike1: yes i supposed it, but should i modify something in scripts?
16:12 < plfiorini> Mike1: yes, i think so
16:13 < Mike1> its your personal tree you can modify the scripts at your own risk :)
16:13 < plfiorini> ok :)
16:15 < [anders]> Mike1: lemme know when you have fixed it and I'll pull the tree to here.. :)
16:15 < rolla> which ver. of rock do I need to get the gnome2 stuff ?
16:15 < Mike1> [anders]: i just did i am editing changelog
16:15 < [anders]> Mike1: kool..
16:15 < Mike1> rolla: 1.7 has allmost everything building now at least guess 80%
16:16 < [anders]> rolla: ROCK 1.7 already has a lot of Gnome2 stuff in it.. ROCK 1.5 will have it when Mike and I are happy with it.. :)
16:16 < rolla> ah okay I shall wait for 1.5 :)
16:16 < Mike1> 1.5 in not currently using gnome2 but you can wait for me and [anders] to port it
16:16 < Mike1> *g
16:17 < [anders]> Mike1: b.t.w., take a look at all the mods to the build order.. ;-)  I have tweaked every single package in the 030/031 so far and more tweaks will be needed I am sure.. :)
16:17 < [anders]> rolla: the idea is to get Gnome2 into ROCK 1.6.x fully working and know to build.
16:18 < rolla> cool let me know if need any help
16:18 * [anders] is compiling new stage three since earlier this morning, with all the fixes since last night and this morning..
16:18 < Mike1> [anders]: feel free to sync the tree anythime now :)
16:18 * [anders] is off sick today so have had some time to work on it..
16:18 < [anders]> Mike1: cheers. :)
16:19 < Mike1> [anders]: dont missunderstand me but i am glad you are off sick :)
16:22 < [anders]> Mike1: ok, updated tree on the way back up.. Just have to tweak the changelog..
16:23 < Mike1> [anders]: sure :), do you think more package updates will be needed for now?
16:24 < Mike1> else i am going to fetch the current tree (which won take longer than 1 hour or 2), and then build
16:25 < [anders]> Mike1: I was getting stuck on libgtkhtml, and could not get it working last night. But as a lot of packages has been updated, I am trying it again now.. (Damn qt takes forever and a day to build..)
16:25 < Mike1> rolla: yes we need help, gimme a while so i can set up a cvs server, and then you can join us if you like
16:26 < Mike1> we are currently using rsync but whith more then 2 people it will be more than dangerous to keep it
16:28 < rolla> yeah
16:28 < [anders]> Mike1: ok, you can grab the tree now.. I have added the last updates..
16:28 < rolla> I am game for help and I have a few machines to do the build on :)
16:28 < rxr__> re
16:29 -!- rxr__ is now known as rxr
16:29 < Mike1> Hi rxr :)
16:29 < [anders]> moin rxr
16:30 < Mike1> rolla: excellent now let us do some stuff i will let you know whne cvs server is ready
16:31 * rxr is in Berlin again ;M-)
16:31 < rxr> any news?
16:31 < [anders]> with CVS is is easier to update packages as well.. just check out a package or two and work on it, then check it back in.. Less chance of anyone undoing someone-elses mods..
16:34 < rolla> yeah that I understand I run a couple of cvs servers for my devlopers
16:45 * theogen^hack is bugfixing the remaining disk amount calculator of the install shell
16:45 < theogen^hack> Has anyone had problems with it so far?
16:47 < rxr> theogen^hack: no.
16:47 < rxr> in dRock it works as aspected ...
16:49 < theogen^hack> never used it, i speak about the rock 1.5 merge
16:50 < theogen^hack> I am going to clean it up and improve it over the next days
16:56 < plfiorini> good 98 packages built
16:56 < rxr> theogen^hack: the best would be to comare it with the dRock install - there are some other crash bugs fixed. Maybe even a free disk bug.
17:00 < theogen^hack> rxr: i really dislike the often use of statical arrays
17:01 < theogen^hack> s,often,frequent
17:01 < theogen^hack> rxr: I won't browse through the hole install_bin.c file, only the parts effecting the menu
17:05 < rxr> theogen^hack: in dRock the menu_install is an external program ...
17:05 < theogen^hack> hm
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17:54 < htheogen^ack> urgs
17:54 < htheogen^ack> #include <stdio.h>
17:54 < htheogen^ack> int main(void) {
17:54 < htheogen^ack>         int *dum;
17:54 < htheogen^ack>          dum = (int *) calloc(1,200);
17:54 < htheogen^ack>         printf("--> %d\n", sizeof(*dum));
17:54 < htheogen^ack>         return 0;
17:54 < htheogen^ack> }
17:55 < htheogen^ack> I get crazy, why is sizeof(*dum) always 4
17:56 < rxr> htheogen^ack: size of a pointer !!!
17:56 < rxr> (on x86)
17:56 < htheogen^ack> yes, but i do *dum
17:56 < htheogen^ack> it should be dereferenced
17:56 < rxr> oh
17:56 < rxr> size of int
17:56 < th> ack
17:56 < htheogen^ack> yes
17:56 < th> size of int
17:57 < th> sizeof can't dereference and see size of malloced area
17:57 < htheogen^ack> uh
17:57 < th> sizeof is not for runtime
17:57 < htheogen^ack> ic
17:57 < th> hmm calloc
17:57 < htheogen^ack> then i must do it with temp variables and strlen
17:58 < th> hmm ok it's just like malloc with clearing
17:58 < th> htheogen^ack: strlen?
17:58 < th> htheogen^ack: just works on strings
17:59 < htheogen^ack> it's a container for a string
18:00 < htheogen^ack> but i do it somewhat other now
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18:16 < plfiorini> oh good, after 1 or 2 hours... Creating tars/ia32-xfree86.tar.bz2 ...
18:30 < rxr> urgs: 1322 file modifications in ROCK 1.7 in the last three weeks ...
18:31 < rxr> after all trival modifications: 173 patches left
18:36 < blindcoder> g'evening
18:39 < Mike1> hi blindcoder
18:39 < rxr> hi Mike1
18:40 < th> hi Mike1
18:40 < Mike1> hallo rxr and th :)
18:40 < Mike1> rxr: enjoyed your vacation?
18:40 < rxr> jups - I did
18:41 < rxr> Mike1: any ROCK news ?
18:41 < Mike1> rxr: i am very glad to hear that :)
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18:41 < d3mian> re
18:42 < Mike1> rxr: ROCK in general or specific trees?
18:42 < Mike1> hi d3mian
18:42 < d3mian> hi all
18:42 < rxr> Mike1: any important stuff you want to tell ;-)!
18:42 < rxr> hi d3mian
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18:43 < Mike1> rxr: hehe just that i suppose that you already know that [anders] and i are working adding gnome2 to the 1.5 tree (currently working on a private tree)
18:44 < Mike1> hopefully we will be happy with the way it builds in a few days
18:45 < rxr> I'll also review the 1.7 changes and update gnome2 to 2.0.1 and fix the remainting issues ...
18:45 < Mike1> regarding the sparc port i am working a report for the rolling rock magazine, but dont know the current status of the port on the 1.7 tree, thought you could give me some help
18:45 < rxr> (in 1.7)
18:45 < uniplex> real quick, has anyone here had any success with rock linux and wmaker?
18:45 < th> uniplex: ack
18:45 < Mike1> uniplex: yes
18:45 < th> uniplex: i see no problems
18:45 < d3mian> uniplex: sure
18:45 < uniplex> alrighty then, thanx
18:46 < rxr> uniplex: jups - fine in dRock
18:47 < Mike1> runs fine in 1.5 tree , currenlty running on 1.7 too :)
18:47 < uniplex> sorry but I don't know what that is, I just dl'd the iso a few minutes ago
18:47 < Mike1> uniplex: rock-1.7 ... rock-1.5
18:47 < uniplex> I think I'm gona dl the source's though
18:48 < uniplex> oh, I meant <rxr> uniplex: jups - fine in dRock
18:48 < Mike1> uniplex: http://drocklinux.dyndns.org
18:49 < rxr> better: http://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/drock.html
18:49 < Mike1> rxr: :)
18:50 < d3mian> Mike1: i ahvent talked with william cauz his phone has been disable.. ill do it now, then i have to go escazu
18:50 < d3mian> cu later guys
18:50 < Mike1> d3mian: okis
18:50 < Mike1> have fun
18:52 < uniplex> If I just want wmaker should I just go with rock linux and not drock?
18:53 < uniplex> also, I have no idea how this even installs, except that I have to boot a linux floppy that'll untar the source and then a compiler that fits on a floppy I dunno..?
18:55 < d3mian> uniplex: try insalling first mean an ISO. Read the documentation is the CD, or go to www.rocklinux.org and read the docs
18:55 < d3mian> s/is/in
18:55 < uniplex> will do, thanx
18:57 < uniplex> the GCC Stack-Smashing Protector sounds good :)
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19:10 < uniplex> - but excluding menu driven configuration tools would that mean that I wouldn't be able to use wmakerprefs utility?
19:11 < hackbard> there is wmaker extensions for rock too
19:11 < Mike1> hackbard: Hi
19:12 < hackbard> there has allways been, though some drock developers claim they only had it :p
19:12 < hackbard> ;)
19:12 < hackbard> hi miguel!
19:12 < Mike1> hackbard: wie gehts?
19:13 < hackbard> gut und selbst? :)
19:13 < Mike1> gut
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19:22 < rxr> hi hackbard
19:31 < htheogen^ack> hm
19:33 < htheogen^ack> is it possible to print the amount a (malloced) pointer tooks via gdb?
19:33 < htheogen^ack> strlen only prints the character between begin and the first appearence of '\0', not sufficient in my case
19:34 < blindcoder> hmm... dunno but you could try malloc_usable_size(pointer);
19:34 * [anders] wonders if anyone would use a ROCK install with GRSecurity enhanced kernel..?
19:35 < [anders]> as in, grsecurity patch for the kernel available on the CD, not applied to the install kernel however..
19:35 < htheogen^ack> [anders]: it's right as it is!
19:36 < [anders]> htheogen^ack: how do you mean?
19:36 -!- htheogen^ack is now known as theogenis
19:36 < th> theogenis: why don't you know the ammount of mem you alloced?
19:37 < theogenis> [anders]: i would prefer a config option at Build-time, but not built it in the kernel on the ISOs
19:37 < theogenis> s,built,build,2
19:37 * [anders] will probably start including a 'patch directory' on his install ISO with GRSecurity patch, crypto-api patch and WOLK patches..
19:38 < [anders]> theogenis: that's sort of what I meant... :) See above..
19:38 < theogenis> i don't like any of them as long as it's not a server
19:38 < [anders]> theogenis: so you would like some of them if it is a server? :)
19:39 < theogenis> yes, but i think gentoo goes the wrong way by default enabling it
19:39 * [anders] absolutely hates double negative scentences..
19:39 < theogenis> don't want this in rocklinux
19:39 < [anders]> theogenis: no, I just want to make it available on the CD so that when you install and you build your kernel, the patches are there if you want them..
19:40 < th> [anders]: he just said something about non-servers. no information available what he thinks of servers
19:40 * [anders] would like grsecurity and crypto-api in any kernel used on his boxes..
19:41 < theogenis> [anders]: no, not if you programm in C usually :-)
19:42 < [anders]> theogenis: hehe... I know, no strace, no peeking in /proc and a lot of other restrictions, but on a machine used for several people, it is good to have..
19:42 < theogenis> blindcoder: what header must I include?
19:42 < [anders]> theogenis: besides, all the bits can be turned on or off at boot time..
19:42 < blindcoder> none, normally
19:42 < blindcoder> or maybe malloc.h
19:43 < theogenis> [anders]: as i said for server it's pretty good, esp, for shell servers
19:43 < theogenis> [anders]: even for private PCs running a apache of a ftpd, it isn't necessary - a well chroot jail does wonder
19:43 < [anders]> theogenis: agreed.. Even for workstations it can be rather handy. Especially if you are maintaining a lot of them..
19:44 < [anders]> theogenis: well, grsecurity enhances the chroot jails and makes them harder to break out of.
19:45 < theogenis> i know, but to break a chroot in the normal kernel, you have to own root priviledges
19:45 < theogenis> i don't like preventing me from work only for unreasonable paranoia ;-)
19:46 < [anders]> theogenis: just because I am paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get me.. ;-)
19:47 < [anders]> joke aside, grsecurity on my laptop was perhaps overkill, but on a box you stick on the net, I would be inclined to advice it..
19:54 < rolla> grr
19:55 < theogenis> blindcoder: mh? ... get a core dump SEGV
19:55 < th> [anders]: you mixed that joke up
19:55 < th> [anders]: doesn't seem to sense this way
19:59 < theogenis> 591         tmp_ptr   = malloc(100);
19:59 < theogenis>     592         dummy     = malloc(250);
19:59 < theogenis>     593         df_string = malloc(strlen(mount_desc) + 250);
19:59 < theogenis> 645                 printf("\t(2) ---- (2) ---- (2)\n");
19:59 < theogenis>     646                 all_size += strlen(tmp_ptr);
19:59 < theogenis>     647                 while ( all_size >= length_dummy ) {
19:59 < theogenis>     648                                 printf("\t\t____ <1> interloop <1> ____\n");
19:59 < theogenis>     649                         dummy = realloc(dummy, 100);
19:59 < theogenis>     650                         df_string = realloc(df_string, 100);
20:00 < theogenis>     651                         length_dummy += 100;
20:00 < theogenis>     652                                 printf("\t\t____ <2> interloop <2> ____\n");
20:00 < theogenis>     653                 }
20:00 < theogenis>     654                 printf("\t(3) ---- (3) ---- (3)\n");
20:00 < theogenis>     655                 strcat(dummy, tmp_ptr);
20:00 < theogenis>     656                 printf("\t(4) ---- (4) ---- (4)\n");
20:00 < th> grmpf
20:00 * th feels highlighted,
20:00 < theogenis>  657         }
20:00 < theogenis>     658         }
20:00 < theogenis>     659         printf("out *** out *** out\n");
20:00 < theogenis>     660         printf("strlen df: %d\tstrlen dummy: %d", malloc_usable_size(df_string), malloc_usab        le_size(dummy));
20:00 < theogenis>     661         exit(1);
20:00 < theogenis> --
20:00 < th> lengTH_
20:00 < theogenis> i get a SEGV at 660
20:01 < theogenis> blindcoder?
20:01 < th> theogenis: split the printf in two
20:01 < theogenis> already did
20:01 < th> theogenis: to see whether it's df_string (which i think it is)
20:02 < theogenis> yes, it is
20:04 < [anders]> th: the joke is supposed to be that way.. :)
20:05 < th> [anders]: it makes more sense when you say "i'm not paranoid. but this doesn't mean they are not to get me."
20:05 < theogenis> blindcoder: what does the function - you pointed to - return?
20:06 < theogenis> mh, allocated bytes
20:07 < [anders]> th: nevermind....
20:07 < [anders]> it wasn't ment to make sense, it was ment to be fun..
20:08 < theogenis> damn thing ... it returns 100, although strlen return 395, it seems it only returns the last allocated size (or realloc mix it up somehow)
20:09 < th> theogenis: strlen doesn't mind allocation barriers
20:09 < th> theogenis: if there is no \0 in the allocated mem it goes on searching
20:09 < theogenis> th: strlen works as exspected.
20:09 < theogenis> see above too see
20:10 < theogenis> dummy was allocated the first(!) time with 250 bytes
20:10 < theogenis> and get more and more in the loop
20:18 < blindcoder> realloc doesn't _add_ to an allocated memory... it reallocates the amount of memory you tell him
20:18 < blindcoder> sorry, have been away watching an anime
20:23 < theogenis> mh
20:23 < theogenis> yes, but that shouldn't mix malloc_usa*_size up, should it?
20:24 < blindcoder> yes it does, because you dont HAVE more than 100 bytes of usable allocated memory
20:25 < theogenis> ah, lol USABLE :-)
20:25 < theogenis> ic
20:25 < blindcoder> realloc frees all the memory and tries to malloc memory at the exact memory positions where it was frees
20:25 < blindcoder> freed
20:26 < blindcoder> so that no values are lost
20:34 < rolla> anyone here gotten rocklinux to stand up on ipv6 and connect to 6bone ?
20:37 < theogenis> blindcoder: other idea?
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20:40 < holyolli> hi
20:46 < theogenis> blindcoder: i puzzle, i get: df_string: 1112350760   dummy: 156
20:46 < theogenis> from:
20:46 < holyolli> esden?
20:46 < theogenis>         printf("df_string: %d\tdummy: %d\n\n", malloc_usable_size(df_string), malloc_usable_        size(dummy));
20:47 < theogenis> the size of dummy is reasonable, but what the hell is going on with df_string ???
20:48 -!- angel|of|chaos [~Angel@pD9E11293.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:48 < holyolli> hi angel
20:48 < angel|of|chaos> hi olli
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21:19 < fake> hello
21:19 < Mike1> hi fake
21:19 < fake> *ROFL*
21:19 < fake> angel|of|chaos *pruuuust*
21:20 < rolla> re fake
21:22 < angel|of|chaos> ?
21:22 < angel|of|chaos> was so lustig fake ?
21:24 < fake> aehm, ein insider ;)
21:24 < fake> nicht persoenlich nehmen
21:24 < angel|of|chaos> aha
21:24 < angel|of|chaos> erklärst du ihn mir trotzdem
21:24 < angel|of|chaos> <-- will mitlachen
21:25 < fake> errrm... die story hat viel overhead
21:25 < theogenis> ???
21:26 < angel|of|chaos> tipps einfach in nen kwerry
21:26 < angel|of|chaos> *g*
21:26 < fake> aehm, nein ;P
21:26 < fake> frag clifford ob du einen cvs write account bekommst ;))
21:26 < angel|of|chaos> cvwas ?
21:27 < angel|of|chaos> <-- hat keinen plan davon
21:27 < fake> noch besser!
21:27 < angel|of|chaos> wie mans sieht *g*
21:28 < fake> es ging um die restirktivitaet eines cvs-verwalters
21:28 < angel|of|chaos> axxo
21:28 < fake> ich sollte versuchen mit dem namen "angel|of|chaos" einen cvs write access (schreibrecht) zu bekommen
21:28 < fake> deswegen ;)
21:28 < angel|of|chaos> dann kann ich mir ungefähr denken worums gehts
21:28 < angel|of|chaos> -s
21:29 < angel|of|chaos> <-- hüpft mal grad unter die dusche
21:30 < fake> viel sauberwerden
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21:42 < holyolli> re
21:43 < fake> re holyolli
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22:02 -!- angel|||na is now known as angel|of|chaos
22:02 < angel|of|chaos> re
22:02 < angel|of|chaos> re olli
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22:44 < [anders]> huebi: *poke*
22:45 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A7E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux
22:45 < snyke> servas
22:46 < holyolli> hi snyke
22:49 < tomik> hi
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22:57 * [anders] guesses huebi is not around tonight..
23:01 < rolla> :)
23:09 < rolla> looks like noone is around
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23:10 < tsa> hi.
23:10 < tsa> hm....seems like updating gmp was't really a very good idea.
23:11 < holyolli> hi tsa.
23:11 < tsa> at least, that's what my gnome says..
23:11 < tsa> huhu holyolli
23:13 < uniplex> have any of you guys compiled in a security enhanced kernel on rocklinux?
23:14 < uniplex> i.e. selinux
23:14 < tsa> nope, never tried it.
23:15 < uniplex> with rock linux you can dl and install sources just like any other linux, right?
23:15 < tsa> grsec / lids shouldn't cause any trouble, don't know about selinux.
23:15 < tsa> sure.
23:16 < uniplex> sorry if I seem to have some silly questions, im still trying to decide if rocklinux is really for me or not :)
23:16 < uniplex> I guess I just gota try it and find out
23:16 < tsa> damn.
23:17 < tsa> fscking gnome.
23:17 < uniplex> only thing is the computer I would install the sources on is a p133, that would take like a week to build the rocklinux distro on?
23:18 < uniplex> gota go bbl
23:18 < tsa> hm..
23:18 < tsa> gotte recompile gnome-libs, too.
23:18 < tsa> hm....
23:19 < tsa> never tried building on an p133.
23:19 < theogenis> th?
23:19 < th> ack
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23:20 < th> theogenis: hmm?
23:22 < theogenis> th: moment
23:22 < huebi> Moin. Und ich sprach: "Und nach mir die Sintflut."
23:22 < th> hi huebi
23:22 < holyolli> hu huebi
23:22 < theogenis> -rwxrwxr-x    1 root     root         1066 Aug 12 11:48 query.conf
23:23 < theogenis> ion: /etc/opt/ion/ion-devel/draw.conf: Permission denied
23:23 < theogenis> ion: /etc/opt/ion/ion-devel/query.conf: Permission denied
23:23 < theogenis> ... what the - ?
23:23 < tsa> hi huebi
23:23 < huebi> hi th
23:23 < th> theogenis: hmm
23:23 < huebi> hi holyolli
23:23 < huebi> hi tsa
23:23 < th> theogenis: when does this happen?
23:24 < theogenis> th: after startx
23:24 < th> theogenis: the directories are ok?
23:24 < theogenis> mom, i try it with root
23:26 < tsa> AAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
23:26 < holyolli> mh?
23:26 < holyolli> tsa?
23:26 < tsa> need gnome developer for shooting exercise.
23:26 < th> hexenschuss
23:26 < holyolli> tsa: who?
23:27 < tsa> holyolli: doesn't matter. just has to be dead afterwards.
23:27 < holyolli> tsa: no...i wanted to know who the person is to shoot at...
23:27 < huebi> hi [anders]
23:28 * holyolli is searching for a booting alpha-smp-kernel...
23:28 < [anders]> huebi: hullo there.. :)
23:29 < tsa> hi anders.
23:29 < [anders]> hi there tsa.. :)
23:29 < [anders]> moin holyolli
23:29 < [anders]> and all the others..
23:29 < holyolli> hej anders
23:29 < huebi> 5h after we left Clifford in Austria there was no current at his home anymore.
23:30 < [anders]> huebi: getting closer to a working gnome2 stage 3 build.. I am on the last 30 or so packages before getting it working..
23:30 < [anders]> have had to strip out some gnome 1.4 packages, but they are more or less obsolete anyway..
23:32 < theogenis> th: yo with root is works
23:32 < th> theogenis: so check the directories
23:32 < theogenis> but i must say xf86cfg pretty sucks
23:33 < huebi> theogenis: Youre it in the right way and it works perfect.
23:33 < tsa> damn gnome stuff.
23:33 < tsa> will use twm from now on.
23:34 < holyolli> hehe
23:34 < [anders]> tsa: *g* gnome isn't that bad.. I have seen worse.. ;-)
23:34 < [anders]> tsa: let me just say 'CDE' and we will all see you wince in pain.. ;-)
23:34 < th> [anders]: must've been in hell
23:35 < tsa> [anders]: well.....i updated gmp and gnome doesn't like that, it seems..
23:35 < [anders]> tsa: gmp? which package is that?
23:35 < theogenis> huebi: i would have modified the XF86Config, but i don't know really what card in the computer is (any old herkules, so i used xf86cfg, 'cause it creates a workable config)
23:36 < tsa> anders: gnu mp
23:36 < theogenis> but it takes 2minutes to initiziale the monitor :-(
23:36 < rolla> wow
23:36 < tsa> mulitple precision arithmetic.
23:36 < [anders]> tsa: aahh, it is one of those things..
23:37 < [anders]> tsa: strange that Gnome should be affected by an update to that...
23:37 < tsa> yeah, just one of those little things designed just to keep me busy...
23:37 < huebi> [anders]: That sounds good, the Gnome2 effort.
23:38 < tsa> [anders]: i don't know which part of gnome1 is resposible for this..
23:39 < tsa> randraw.c:118: GNU MP assertion failed.
23:39 < tsa> ...
23:39 < theogenis> damn, it's unuseable crowling :'-( ... must look into the damnit file
23:39 < th> a division by zero ;)
23:40 * tsa feels like grep -ri / randraw.c
23:40 < [anders]> tsa: me neither.. you could do a ps -ef and look at the processes running, then do an ldd against each exec to check which one links against it.. or is this one of those pesky static libraries?
23:41 < tsa> [anders]: well, i'll just do what i always do in that case. rebuild some of the gnome-* pkg's until it works again..
23:42 < [anders]> tsa: as you re-build them, (my bet is gnome-libs or gnome-core), check which one it is that links against it..
23:43 < tsa> [anders]: -libs and -core already rebuilt, still having same problem..
23:45 < [anders]> what's the symptom again?
23:45 < tsa> would somebody please release rock 2.0 so i can seriously consider a reinstall?
23:45 < tsa> ;-)
23:45 < [anders]> tsa: I take it 1.6.0 is not an option?
23:45 < [anders]> ;-)
23:46 < tsa> anders: GNU MP assertion failed in randraw.c:118, whatever that one might beling to..
23:46 < tsa> s,i,o,
23:46 < [anders]> tsa: I ment, does it happen when you start it up, or when you do something special?
23:48 < tsa> [anders]: everything seems to be ok at the beginning, gnome starts, panel is present. but starting an xterm, it doesn't get any border nor can i focus on it.
23:48 < tsa> [anders]: does 1.6.0 have any default desktop backgrounds with pretty chicks?
23:49 < [anders]> tsa: not at the moment no.. ;-) check with huebi if he'd mind a package with backgrounds... :)
23:49 < tsa> hm....1.6.0 isn't an option, then.-
23:49 < tsa> ;-)
23:49 < [anders]> tsa: is it your windowmanager that is causing the problem?
23:51 < theogenis> Should i choose Generic VESA or Generic VGA compatible (xf86config) ?
23:51 < tsa> [anders]: sawfish. and i really don't know.
23:51 < [anders]> if it isn't gnome-core or gnome-libs, it could be ORBit or windowmanager, perhaps some of the libraries, like libbonobo or similar..
23:51 < [anders]> tsa: hold on a sec and I'll check something
23:52 * tsa wants gnome-all.tar.gz
23:52 < tsa> with just one damn configure, not 200!
23:54 < tsa> hm...
23:55 < tsa> randraw.c is from gmp itself.
23:55 < tsa> damn.
23:55 < [anders]> tsa: just checking all things in /usr/bin what links against libgmp
23:56 < [anders]> rep and sawfish
23:56 < tsa> rep is from rep-gtk pkg, ack?
23:57 < [anders]> librep
23:57 < [anders]> so rebuild librep and then sawfish and you should (humm) be okay..
23:57 < tsa> hehe.
23:57 < tsa> i'll try
23:59 < tsa> building librep
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