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--- Log opened Tue Aug 13 00:00:11 2002 --- Day changed Tue Aug 13 2002 00:00 * [anders] is waiting for mozilla to build.. (taking ages.. just as bloody slow as qt...) 00:01 < tsa> hehe.. 00:01 < tsa> librep done. 00:02 < tsa> sawfish in progress. 00:04 < tsa> sawfsh done. 00:04 < [anders]> tsa: good luck. :) 00:04 < tsa> GRMPF. 00:05 < tsa> nope. 00:05 < tsa> same problem 00:05 < [anders]> hmm. must be a shared library linked against libgmp.. Let me check.. 00:06 < tsa> brb 00:06 -!- tsa [~uucp@attila.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de] has quit ("Leaving") 00:06 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9525AB6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:06 < tsa> aaah. 00:06 < tsa> praise to the inventors of twm. 00:07 < tsa> hm....this is nice. 00:07 < tsa> and it's fast, too. 00:07 < tsa> the gnome stuff: 00:07 < tsa> randraw.c:118: GNU MP assertion failed: ((mp_limb_t) 1 << m2exp) > c 00:07 < tsa> rep: received fatal signal: Aborted 00:07 < tsa> struct debug_buf common: 00:07 < tsa> Backtrace in `fatal_signal_handler': 00:07 < tsa> <(null)+1076904472> 00:07 < tsa> <abort+215> 00:07 < tsa> <(null)+1074592095> 00:07 < tsa> <__gmp_rand+285> 00:07 < tsa> <__gmpz_urandomm+207> 00:07 < tsa> <(null)+1074067602> 00:07 < tsa> <Frandom+160> 00:07 < tsa> <(null)+1074026709> 00:07 < tsa> Lisp backtrace: 00:07 < tsa> #4 random ... 00:07 < tsa> #3 sp-prune-points ... 00:08 < tsa> #2 sp-make-grid ... 00:08 < [anders]> hmm.. librep.so seems to be a share library linked against gmp 00:08 < tsa> #1 sp-do-placement ... 00:08 < tsa> #0 place-window (#<window 1000007>) 00:08 < tsa> seems to be a rep problem. 00:08 < [anders]> tsa: did you do an ldconfig after you rebuilt librep ? 00:08 < tsa> [anders]: yes, sure. 00:08 < tsa> even removed ld.so.cache. 00:09 < [anders]> the only thing I can think of is that librep.so was held open in memory by something and you got the old librep and not the new one.. 00:09 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@linus.regehr.net] has quit ("X-Chat: 1998: year of the X-Chat") 00:09 < tsa> [anders]: hm... i even rebooted in the meanwhile... 00:09 < tsa> ;) 00:10 < [anders]> tsa: not that then.. :) 00:10 < tsa> hehe 00:10 < tsa> hm.. 00:10 < tsa> twm is pretty fast. 00:10 < tsa> is it possible to have multiple desktops with twm? 00:11 < [anders]> tsa: you will probably have to use fvwm for that.. 00:11 < tsa> hm.... 00:11 < Mike1> cu all 00:11 < tsa> i donÄt like fwvm 00:11 < tsa> cu Mike1 00:11 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 00:11 < [anders]> tsa: try ctwm then.. 00:12 < [anders]> tsa: or WindowMaker.. WindowMaker is quite nice and will interact nicely with Gnome as well if you want to carry on using that.. 00:12 < tsa> hm.. 00:12 < tsa> tried windowmaker a while ago. 00:12 < tsa> don't like it, too. 00:12 < [anders]> try ctwm then.. 00:13 < [anders]> I used to use ctwm back at uni.. nice windowmanager, very customisable, does handle multiple desktops as well.. 00:16 < [anders]> ah well.. time for bed.. I am off, take care alles.. Cya tomorrow.. 00:16 < theogenis> gn8 00:16 < theogenis> schlaf gut 00:19 < theogenis> PING? 00:20 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@paradome.de] has quit ("Lost terminal") 00:23 < term_aweh> n8 leute 00:23 -!- term_aweh [~pm@pD958BABE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("zz") 00:30 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9525AB6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 00:32 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9525AB6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:32 < tsa> hm.. 00:32 < tsa> gnome-panel and twm 00:33 < theogenis> *grinz* 00:34 < tsa> rep is segfaulting. 00:34 < theogenis> ich hab grad ratpoison installiert 00:40 < h0h0> tsa: you still here? 00:40 < tsa> sure 00:41 < h0h0> I got one question still about that Iron-II oxide vs Iron-III oxide 00:41 < h0h0> is 'slag' another word for Iron-III oxide? 00:41 < tsa> uhm.. 00:41 < tsa> no idea. 00:41 < h0h0> heh 00:41 < h0h0> ok 00:42 < tsa> https://www.geocrawler.com/lists/3/SourceForge/688/0/8878630/ 00:42 < tsa> aah. 00:42 < tsa> here's my problem. 00:47 < fake> huebi: *ping* 00:48 < tsa> hm.. 00:48 < tsa> huebi: update: librep 0.16.1 00:48 < tsa> (fyi) 00:48 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pD9E1C407.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:49 < tsa> hi bluefire 00:49 < fake> war huebi schon da? 00:49 < th> jo 00:49 < tsa> jo. vorhin. 00:49 < bluefire> hi tsa 00:49 < fake> guuut das. 00:49 < tsa> ? 00:50 < fake> wegen brumm brumm und alles in ordnung 00:51 < tsa> NARF. 00:51 < tsa> user> (random 1) 00:51 < tsa> randraw.c:118: GNU MP assertion failed: ((mp_limb_t) 1 << m2exp) > c 00:51 < tsa> rep: received fatal signal: Aborted 00:51 < tsa> scheiss lisp-kram 00:53 < tsa> nun denn. dann eben gmp downgrade und den ganzen scheiss nochmal neu compilen. 00:56 < fake> lisp saugt 00:57 < tsa> jo. 00:57 < tsa> naja, zumindest offebar known bug. 00:57 < tsa> gmp 4.1 mag rep nicht. 00:57 < tsa> oder anders rum 01:00 < fake> voellisch egal 01:01 < fake> gcc kann isch immernoch nicht selber compilen 01:02 < fake> sich 01:02 < fake> s,gcc,gcc3, 01:03 < fake> man ich sollte irgendwas anderes machen 01:05 < theogenis> mh 01:06 < theogenis> komisch ich kann keine zeichen erzeugen bei denen alt-gr gedr@ckt sein muss 01:06 < theogenis> (in X) 01:06 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-2-271.tin.it] has joined #rocklinux 01:07 < theogenis> Section InputDevice 01:08 < theogenis> bei keyboard: 01:08 < theogenis> Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" 01:08 < theogenis> Option "XkbModel" "pc105" 01:08 < theogenis> Option "XkbLayout" "de" 01:08 < theogenis> Was habt ihr da? 01:08 < fake> nodeadkeys weiter unten 01:08 < fake> bei irgendner anderen option die da is 01:08 < fake> mom 01:08 < tsa> Option "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys" 01:09 < fake> Option "XkbVariant" "" 01:09 < fake> iehk. yes. 01:09 < fake> tsa: :P 01:09 < theogenis> fake: hab ich auch 01:09 < theogenis> ... 01:09 < tsa> fake: :-PPP 01:09 < theogenis> es geht mehr ums model denk ich mal 01:10 < tsa> Option "XkbModel" "pc104" 01:10 < fake> pc105 passt schon 01:10 < theogenis> ja denk ich eben auch ... *nachdenk* 01:10 < theogenis> woran zum teufel 01:10 < tsa> ich geh penne, 01:10 < tsa> n 01:11 < tsa> nacht. 01:11 < fake> n8 tsa! 01:11 < theogenis> gn8 01:11 < tsa> cu * 01:11 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9525AB6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 01:11 * fake geht yocken 01:11 < fake> zocken 01:14 < theogenis> ARRRGS 01:14 < theogenis> ./scripts/Download -package X-chat -> 404 01:14 < theogenis> no wonder 01:15 < theogenis> 1.8.4 ... erm "a bit" out of datem 1.8.10 was already released 01:24 -!- theogenis [~tobrit@pD9E49735.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet?") 01:26 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-2-271.tin.it] has quit ("g'night") 01:52 -!- rxr_ [~rene@port-212-202-168-120.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 02:03 < esden> hi all 02:07 < esden> ok ... the lego mindstorms network code uploaded ... now I go to bed ... night boy's and girls ;-) 02:08 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-170-213.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02:21 -!- Mike1 [~mike@mail.costarica.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:21 < Mike1> re 02:22 < Mike1> d3mian wie geht es ihnene mein freund? 02:27 < Freak> re 02:27 < Freak> I have another breezer-bottle to open 02:27 < Freak> no, this one was easy 02:32 -!- Mike1 [~mike@mail.costarica.net] has quit ("Read error: 2.99792458 x 10^8 meters/second (Excessive speed of light)") 02:33 < fake> and i have a another weizen and am pretty stinky 02:36 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pD9E1C407.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:36 -!- uniplex [~zip@ip68-99-105-125.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit ("No windows for this server") 02:59 -!- rxr [~rene@212.202.169.163] has joined #rocklinux 03:02 -!- rxr_ [~rene@port-212-202-168-120.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03:53 < Freak> geht außer mir noch jemand nach draußen, um sich die Leoniden anzuschauen? 03:53 * Ge0rG wohnt in der stadt - da sieht man nix... 03:53 < Ge0rG> und ohne auto kommt man auch nicht weg 03:54 < Freak> ich wohn auch in der stadt, als ich vor ca. 2h heim kam, hab ich schon eine gesehen 03:54 < Freak> naja okay ich wohne _etwas_ außerhalb und die stadt is auch nur ne kleine großstadt 03:54 < Freak> naja jedenfalls zieh ich mich mal an.. 03:54 < Ge0rG> wir haben 240k einwohner oder so 03:55 * Ge0rG kuckt ma aufn balkon 03:55 < Freak> wir haben 113k 03:55 < Freak> glaubich 03:59 < Freak> scheisse mittlerweile hat sich der himmel total zugezogen :( 04:00 < Ge0rG> hier sieht man auch nix 04:27 -!- Freak [freak@p50839260.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client excited") 04:30 -!- Freak [freak@p50839260.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:41 -!- kaerF [freak@p50839616.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:42 -!- Freak [freak@p50839260.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: kaerF!freak@p50839616.dip.t-dialin.net))) 04:42 -!- kaerF is now known as Freak 05:19 -!- Ge0rG [georg@op-co.de] has quit ("Irssi - the client of smart and beautiful people") 08:07 -!- NaTys [~nando@cii.udea.edu.co] has joined #rocklinux 08:23 -!- NaTys [~nando@cii.udea.edu.co] has quit ("Saludos anadie") 08:39 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-5a50.tin.it] has joined #rocklinux 08:58 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pD9E1C031.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:11 -!- tsa [~tsa@sec-01.bi.devcon.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:11 < tsa> moin 09:13 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-5a50.tin.it] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:41 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-2-149.tin.it] has joined #rocklinux 10:10 < [anders]> bah.. sawfish, bonobo and galeon refuse to build.. 10:10 < tsa> error? 10:11 < [anders]> tsa: bonobo wants gnome-libs from Gnome 1.4.. and I am reluctant to start pulling all that crud back in.. 10:12 < [anders]> sawfish can't find gdkconfig.h which is in the include path and that really pisses me off.. 10:12 < plfiorini> hey [anders] 10:12 < [anders]> and galeon wants gnome-libs as well I think... So I might have to pull gnome-libs in, but it is not willingly.. 10:12 < [anders]> moin plfiorini 10:13 < plfiorini> god i need evo2... 10:13 < tsa> hehe 10:13 < plfiorini> i will use only gnome2, so i'll use mozilla-mail 1.1 10:13 < [anders]> I'll be adding in Evolution to the packages, as gnome-pim was kicked out.. :) 10:13 < plfiorini> it's good 10:14 < [anders]> and I know Evolution require bonobo so gnome-libs will be more or less required.. 10:14 < plfiorini> but i hope ximian will release evo2 beta soon 10:14 < [anders]> *sigh* Back to the drawingboard.. :) 10:14 < plfiorini> [anders]: it requires also glib, gtk ;) 10:14 < [anders]> plfiorini: got thos already.. 10:14 < plfiorini> gnome dependencies are pain 10:15 < plfiorini> yeah 10:15 < plfiorini> hrm 10:15 < plfiorini> the priority field seem to be changed from 1.5 to 1.7 10:15 < [anders]> Ah well.. I'll add gnome-libs back in and I hope to get bonobo building as well then.. 10:16 < plfiorini> gnome (stable releases) should build good 10:16 < plfiorini> i usually build w/o errors 10:16 < plfiorini> both gnome1 and gnome2 10:16 * plfiorini build gnome2 since beta3 w/o errors 10:18 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@pD904856B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:22 < plfiorini> uh there's a spider in front of my monitor 10:22 * plfiorini splat! 10:33 < [anders]> right.. imlib needs to be built after gtk+.. and only then will gnome-libs build correctly.. 10:34 < [anders]> *sigh* I hate these dependencies.. 10:35 < plfiorini> yes 10:35 < plfiorini> kde3 has less dependencies 10:55 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@linus.regehr.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:55 < holyolli> moin 10:58 -!- plfiorini is now known as plfiorini|a 11:01 < [anders]> moin holyolli.... 11:01 < holyolli> hi anders 11:01 * [anders] is still struggling with that damned gnome-libs package that doesn't want to build properly.. 11:02 < [anders]> wahey!! it's creating the tar.bz2!!! :) 11:02 * [anders] dances a merry jig.. 11:03 < [anders]> but then bonobo requires gnome-print... *SIGH* 11:14 -!- rolla [~Der@134.244.180.173] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:17 < [anders]> wow.. gnome-print built without complaining and bonobo now seems to be compiling as well... 11:17 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@pD904856B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 11:24 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@pD90485EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:33 -!- term_emu [~pm@p5081937F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:48 -!- tomik [~tomik@212.11.125.147] has quit ("Changing server") 11:49 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@linus.regehr.net] has quit ("X-Chat: its not for the tabkey impaired!") 11:53 -!- rolla [~Der@stlmaisenhel.ugs.com] has joined #rocklinux 11:58 -!- freed [~pussy@62.8.144.75] has joined #rocklinux 11:58 -!- plfiorini|a [~plfiorini@r-bo043-2-149.tin.it] has quit ("Non abbandonate i cani!") 11:59 < freed> hi all 12:03 -!- capchaos [~capchaos@pD90485EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 12:18 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-2-149.tin.it] has joined #rocklinux 12:38 < [anders]> grrrr.. /me is starting to hate gnome 1.4 with a vengeance.. I will have to re-order the build-order yet again because of gnome 1.4 12:43 -!- zer0_o^ [~zer0_o@217.14.64.20] has joined #rocklinux 13:06 < plfiorini> scrollkeepr is update, i have the .pz file... 13:06 < plfiorini> btw i'll try to use garnome's patches 13:09 -!- plfiorini is now known as plfiorini|a 13:13 -!- theogenis [~tobrit@pD9E498BF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:14 < theogenis> moin all 13:20 < [anders]> moin theogenis 13:27 < theogenis> I wonder ... in X I cannot use the alt-gr key, i.e. it does not do anything ... so i can't write e.g. the Pipe-Symbol or the backslash etc. - I use XkbLayout "de" ... 13:27 < theogenis> xfree86 complains the following: 13:28 < theogenis> (mom) 13:28 < theogenis> > Error: No Symbols named "1@1@" in the include file "de" 13:28 < theogenis> > Exiting 13:28 < theogenis> > Abandoning symbols file "default" 13:29 < theogenis> unfortunately i cannot find this keymap ... :-/ 13:31 < theogenis> ./usr/X11R6/lib/X11/symbols/de exists ... but dunno if it's the right file 13:32 < theogenis> actually it must be the right file ... but there is no patter 1-at-1-at- hm 13:37 -!- uniplex [~zip@ip68-99-105-125.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:37 < theogenis> am going to try it with the US layout ... kill -HUP 13:37 < theogenis> brb 13:37 -!- theogenis [~tobrit@pD9E498BF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet?") 13:38 -!- Ge0rG [georg@op-co.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:41 -!- theogenis [~tobrit@pD9E498BF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:45 < theogenis> *???* 13:46 < theogenis> although I write in the config file to use the US Layout, it stills try to look up the de one ... what the heck is going on 13:54 -!- theogenis [~tobrit@pD9E498BF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet?") 14:06 < tsa> re. 14:08 -!- plfiorini|a is now known as plfiorini 14:33 < tsa> hm... 14:51 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A7D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:59 < freed> liesst jemand die datenschleuder? 15:03 < rolla> re all 15:08 * Ge0rG hat die aktuelle ausgabe der datenschleuder nicht :( 15:10 < freed> schade georg 15:10 * Ge0rG muss ma den ccc-antrag ausfüllen und wegfaxen. 15:11 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@linus.regehr.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:12 < holyolli> re 15:12 < rolla> [anders]: you still having trouble getting Gnome 1.4 and 2.0 to play well togather ? 15:13 < tsa> huhu holyolli 15:13 < holyolli> tach tsa. 15:15 < rolla> Anyone have a good guess as to how much disk space the 1.7 build takes when it is all done ? 15:15 -!- clifford [~clifford@M096P005.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 15:15 < holyolli> hi clifford 15:15 < clifford> hi! 15:20 < tsa> hi clifford 15:20 < clifford> hi all. rxr: are you listening or just a ghost? 15:21 < freed> i mean rxr is in hollyday 15:22 < freed> hi clifford 15:24 < clifford> today he sent a mail that he isn't anymore .. 15:25 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@paradome.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:31 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 15:31 < Mike1> moin 15:32 < clifford> moin. 15:32 < rolla> re Mike1 15:32 < SMP> ah. hi all 15:32 < Mike1> clifford: nice to see you here, how are things over there? rain stop? 15:32 < Mike1> hi SMP :) 15:32 < Mike1> rolla: any progress on gnome@? 15:32 < Mike1> 2* 15:33 < clifford> Mike1: no. still raining. 15:33 < clifford> Mike1: also had 3 power downtimes in the last 24 hours. 15:33 < clifford> SMP: Hi! Hoffe du bist gut zu Hause angekommen. 15:33 < rolla> Mike1: I have stopped that project to wait for you guys :) 15:34 < Mike1> clifford: damn, that doesn't sound good at all, your area to afected? 15:34 -!- Ge0rG is now known as ge0rg 15:34 < SMP> clifford: Danke, ja. nach ein wenig Rallye mit Iris ;) 15:34 < Mike1> rolla: excellent!, i was so incredibly busy yesterday and could get to work on the cvs server i think i will be able to start working on it in a few minutes 15:35 < clifford> not really. we just had a few power downtimes and stuff like that here .. 15:35 < clifford> but only 10 km away from here is a small village compleatly under water. 15:35 < Mike1> clifford: good, i was a little concerned about all that 15:35 < rolla> Mike1: cool . I think I need to rebuild my build-server so it has more disk space in the build area :( 15:35 < Mike1> clifford: damn 15:35 < clifford> SMP: ja - hab' ich gehoert .. 15:36 < tsa> clifford: did you already read my mail regarding cyrus-sasl for 1.7.0? 15:36 < SMP> waaah 15:36 < SMP> cyrus-sasl is soo evil 15:37 < clifford> SMP: I didn't apply that patch. 15:37 < tsa> SMP: hehe. 15:37 < clifford> tsa: the one which adds the package to base? no. :-) 15:37 < tsa> clifford: yes. 15:37 < tsa> ;) 15:37 < tsa> SMP: any other sasl recommendation? 15:37 < tsa> (sasl1) 15:38 < SMP> there are no other free sasl implementations AFAIK 15:38 < tsa> ;-) 15:40 < tsa> i've thought about an option to compile sendmail with sasl support.. 15:40 < Mike1> [anders]: awake? 15:40 < tsa> shouldn't be that difficult.. 15:48 * plfiorini is away: Matrix has find plfiorini and holds him 15:50 < [anders]> Mike1: yup.. 15:50 < Mike1> :) 15:50 < Mike1> how are you [anders]? 15:51 < [anders]> Right.. wanna see a hack? (to get old-libglade building...) 15:51 < [anders]> Mike1: agitated.. :) 15:51 < [anders]> Mike1: you? 15:51 < Mike1> hehe 15:51 < Mike1> [anders]: i am ok, playing around with postgresql 15:52 < [anders]> Mike1: Well, not much left to get working now.. 15:52 < [anders]> only sawfish and gtop 15:53 < Mike1> [anders]: those are exellent news 15:53 < Mike1> i have the time today so lets do it :) 15:53 < [anders]> Mike1: so you would like me to update the rsync tree then with my most recent hacks.. :) 15:54 < Mike1> yes please 15:54 * plfiorini is back (gone 00:05:51) 15:54 < Mike1> rolla: wanna have a copy of the tree? 15:56 * clifford likes the 1.7 build system ansi color output.. 15:57 < rolla> sure 15:57 * Mike1 <AOL> Likes it too </AOL> 15:57 < Mike1> ok rolla mom 15:57 < clifford> oups! I've remove mozilla .... 15:58 * clifford is testing the Update-system script for updating gnome on his system. 16:01 < clifford> SMP: https://www.rocklinux.org/sources/package/base/net-tools/network.conf 16:01 < clifford> is that ok with you? 16:02 < uniplex> heh 16:02 < uniplex> woops sorry 16:03 < tsa> clifford: hm.. 16:03 < tsa> librep doesn't like gmp 4.1 16:03 < tsa> (makes rep segfault in some situations, fotr example with sawfish) 16:04 < tsa> -t 16:04 < SMP> clifford: I thought about that today. I fear that people will come and shout at us because, not knowing what iproute2 is for, they didn't install it and now "it don't woooork" 16:05 < SMP> clifford: but I'm fine with it otherwise 16:06 < clifford> hmmm... 16:07 < clifford> iproute2 is the standard linux 2.4 network config tool. 16:07 < SMP> also, if etc/conf/network does not use ifconfig, why is it in the net-tools package? ;) 16:07 < [anders]> Mike1: go for it. the update is all there.. 16:08 < Mike1> [anders]: ok thanks 16:08 < clifford> That's a good question - it should go to iproute2. 16:08 < [anders]> is the color build an option? 16:09 < SMP> clifford: why don't we just 'ip addr flush $IF' in stop_net()? 16:09 < clifford> anders: sure. I'ts the first plugable output module. 16:09 < [anders]> clifford: excellent.. :0 16:09 < [anders]> :-) even.. 16:09 < clifford> hmm.. that way we would also remove adresses, etc added by other scripts. 16:09 < tsa> cu all. 16:09 -!- tsa [~tsa@sec-01.bi.devcon.net] has quit ("wech.") 16:10 < clifford> anders: e.g. esden will write a output plugin which can print the status of a build to an LCD panel. 16:11 < clifford> SMP: does 'addr flush' also remove the default route? 16:12 < SMP> clifford: well $IF will be down anyway and any addresses left on it will not work. in practice, nobody needs a particularly cleanly shut down network IMHO. 16:12 < SMP> clifford: no, we need to 'ip route del default ; ip addr flush dev $IF ; ip link set $IF down' 16:13 < clifford> SMP: ack. also will the current code cause problems if someone simply changes the ip adress and types '/sbin/init.d/network restart' 16:14 < [anders]> Right.. sawfish is the only things that doesn't build in 1.5.18-Gnome2 (of the gnome2 packages..) 16:14 < SMP> yes, I though about that briefly, but I concluded that I don't use "restart", but just apply all changes manually :) 16:14 < [anders]> Mike1: you want me to add MetaCity and MetaCity-setup to the packages? At least there'll be a working windowmanager there.. 16:15 < Mike1> mmm.... ok, but lets be carefull with the space 16:15 < clifford> SMP: script fixed. btw: I'm using restart because that way I also test if the init script works. 16:16 < [anders]> we could always remove sawfish.. (never really liked sawfish anyway..) 16:16 < SMP> clifford: yeah and because if it doesn't you'll be locked out :> 16:16 < Mike1> [anders]: true but i dont know what will thers think about it 16:16 < SMP> or well, you might 16:17 < huebi> Moin. 16:17 < rolla> [anders] : I have growen to like sawfish :) 16:17 < clifford> yes. but better at least I know it. If the host just disapares three days later I have no clue what's going on and might need to drive into the office in the middle of the night .. 16:18 < [anders]> vote: sawfish (which doesn't build) or metacity (which is nicer and has a chance of actually building) ? 16:18 < [anders]> rolla: you get to fix it then.. ;-) 16:18 < rolla> sure why not ;) 16:18 < [anders]> moin huebi 16:18 < huebi> hi [anders] 16:19 < huebi> Mike1: When do you add eject to the cvs? 16:19 < Mike1> huebi: i am working on that right now 16:19 * huebi finished backlog of today. 16:19 < Mike1> just give me an hour or so 16:19 < huebi> Mike1: kool. 16:19 < Mike1> huebi: BTE hi how are you? 16:19 < Mike1> BTW 16:19 < [anders]> huebi: 98% of Gnome2 working now.. Only sawfish doesn't build.. 16:20 < Mike1> huebi: do we really want sawfish? 16:20 * [anders] still needs to run a clean stage3 build.. 16:20 < huebi> [anders]: very nice. 16:20 * Mike1 is running a clean build 16:20 * [anders] will let Mike1 fight with the build breaks then.. ;-) 16:21 < [anders]> There might be other things we want to add.. (I still have Evolution to get working..) 16:21 < Mike1> huebi: looks like after all we will have gnonme2, but all the credits are belong to [anders] he has made a lot of work 16:21 * Mike1 will let [anders] take care of gnome :)) 16:22 * [anders] shudders.. Gnome 1.4 dependencies are evil.. 16:23 < plfiorini> [anders]: oh, is your tree already available for others? 16:26 < esden> hi all 16:26 < holyolli> hi esden 16:26 < esden> ahh is that nice to be back online ! 16:26 < Mike1> hi esden 16:26 < clifford> hi esden. How is your RCX stuff doing? 16:26 < Mike1> its nice to see you back online 16:27 < Mike1> plfiorini: one moment please 16:27 < esden> my code is working really sweet ... the only problem was/is that others were not able to write working code that used it ... 16:27 < plfiorini> esden: what are you doing? init stuff? 16:28 < esden> I wrote my part ready last night ... and got l33t 3 hours of sleep ;-) 16:28 < plfiorini> esden: good, i have 2 ideas... 16:28 < esden> plfiorini: init stuff ??? o_O 16:29 < plfiorini> esden: yes 16:29 < [anders]> plfiorini: I can tar it up and send it you in an e-mail. I have not run it, I just build it.. ;-) 16:29 < plfiorini> [anders]: ok, send if it isn't a problem 16:29 < plfiorini> esden: 1st) #!/bin/ash instead of #!/bin/bash 16:29 < plfiorini> esden: 2nd) i18n 16:30 < Mike1> [anders]: wait i will upload it on my server 16:30 < [anders]> plfiorini: beware that sawfish doesn't build, and there is no other windowmanager for gnome in there yet. I will add MetaCity shortly.. 16:30 < plfiorini> [anders]: this is not a problem 16:30 < [anders]> Mike1: kool... Saves me time.. (wee bit busy at work today..) 16:30 < esden> plfiorini: ... I was coding for my programming practics in my university ... 16:31 < Mike1> [anders]: sure just cleaning up the tree and leaving it as others already know it 16:31 < plfiorini> esden: ok, i'll do it 16:31 < esden> plfiorini: that does have nothing to do with rock ... :-/ 16:31 < plfiorini> oh 16:31 * -> esden wants to have time for rock ... *cry* 16:31 * plfiorini is in vacation now 16:31 < plfiorini> :) 16:32 < plfiorini> with this vacations i'll patch something and i'll send a diff to the list 16:33 < plfiorini> i modified Build-Tar, so now it creates $arch-$name-$version.tar.bz2 16:33 < plfiorini> probably i'll add release numbers and the ability to build separate packages from the same source 16:37 < plfiorini> something like ia32-glibc-2.2.5.tar.bz, ia32-glibc-devel-2.2.5.tar.bz2 16:37 < Mike1> Everyoine wanting to try [anders] and I private tree with gnome2 98% funtional can get the lates snap at: https://odin.informatica.co.cr/~mike/rock/rock-1.5.18-Gnome2.tar.bz2 16:38 < plfiorini> Mike1: thanks 16:38 < Mike1> patches and build reports are pretty much welcome :) 16:38 < plfiorini> Mike1: you know i'll patch gnome ;) 16:38 < huebi> plfiorini: What do you think about adding the CPU type? 16:38 < plfiorini> huebi: that it's not bad 16:39 < plfiorini> blah blah this debian doesn't work much 16:39 < Mike1> plfiorini: good 16:39 < plfiorini> [anders] and Mike1: now i can add more gtk-engines, gstreamer, rhythmbox and monkey-media 16:39 * Mike1 wonders if huebi will test private tree 16:40 < Mike1> plfiorini: :) 16:40 < plfiorini> oh i forget acme and totem 16:40 < plfiorini> if you agree, of course 16:41 < Mike1> plfiorini: we only took care of porting gnome2, to add more packages we should talk to huebi and [anders] and see what they have to say 16:41 * [anders] thinks we really need to be able to install from a two CD set... 16:41 < plfiorini> ok 16:42 * Mike1 next target will be work on multi cd install, right after having gnome2 100% funtional 16:46 < esden> urgh ... 16:47 < [anders]> esden: it's not that bad.. ;-) 16:47 -!- h0h0 [~hoho@dhcp024-210-222-139.woh.rr.com] has quit ("rebooting router") 16:47 < esden> we get bigger and bigger ;-) 16:48 * -> esden is waiting for the first rocklinux dvd ;-) 16:48 < plfiorini> ahah 16:49 < Mike1> esden: buy me dvd-recorder and i will take care of making it happen :) 16:49 < esden> I will then be able to watch rocklinux on a dvd player ;-) 16:49 < huebi> esden: Can you now imagine why I have a DLT8000? - Yes for DVD mastering 16:49 < esden> huebi: *ROFL* 16:49 < esden> huebi: now I know ! 16:49 < esden> huebi: BONZE!!!! ;-) 16:51 < huebi> We need an installation tape for sparc 16:51 < esden> and for alpha !!! ;-) 16:51 -!- h0h0 [~hoho@dhcp024-210-222-139.woh.rr.com] has joined #rocklinux 16:51 < esden> huebi: do you want to sponsor me a DLT drive ? 16:52 < huebi> esden: Why? 16:52 < Mike1> huebi: perhaps sponsor me too :) 16:53 < esden> so I can make bootable tape images for alpha ;-) 16:53 < holyolli> *fg* 16:53 < huebi> Well, I have a DLT-2000 laying around.... 16:54 < holyolli> working? 16:54 < esden> huebi: ship it ;-) 16:55 < huebi> holyolli: It get hot when powered on and makes some turns withe tape for a few minutes. 16:55 < holyolli> oh. 16:56 < holyolli> esden: did you work on the alpha port the last days? 16:58 -!- clifford [~clifford@M096P005.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("I like core dumps") 16:59 -!- clifford [~clifford@M128P004.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 17:03 < esden> nope ... no time .. 17:13 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@linus.regehr.net] has quit ("X-Chat: Automatically bored away") 17:15 < [anders]> <- afk.. got to do some work now.. 17:20 < d3mian> re 17:20 < Mike1> hi d3mian 17:21 < d3mian> hi all :) 17:26 < Mike1> huebi: awake? 17:29 < huebi> yep 17:29 < Mike1> huebi: i am done with eject, uploading to cvs now 17:39 < Mike1> huebi: done 17:39 * -> esden going home 17:39 < Mike1> it should not need a .conf file 17:39 < esden> cu guys 17:39 < huebi> Mike1: Thank you 17:39 < Mike1> cu esden 17:39 < huebi> cu esden 17:39 < Mike1> huebi: let me know if something is wrong, but i think its ok 17:40 < huebi> Mike1: ok, I check it. 17:40 < Mike1> huebi: have fun :) 17:45 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A7D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ("°ShowDowN v12 PrO° since 1996: https://www.sci.fi/~showdown/") 18:09 < plfiorini> arg! my sister with this damned television 18:12 < h0h0> shoot the tv 18:12 < plfiorini> yes 18:13 * plfiorini bang! 18:14 < plfiorini> ok good work, i am going to eat a pizza with my friends 18:15 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-2-149.tin.it] has quit ("pizza calls me") 18:17 < clifford> SMP! DO U Listen? 18:17 < h0h0> do you copy? 18:17 * clifford just had a look on cdb .. 18:17 < SMP> yes. 18:17 < SMP> ah. 18:18 < clifford> looks very simmilar to my mar.c ... 18:18 < SMP> hehe 18:19 < clifford> the only difference ist that mar has no hashes and the record are not indexed. 18:19 < clifford> (but mar has less overhead. ;-) 18:21 < SMP> funny comparison ;> 18:21 < clifford> afaiks it's not very usefull to create cdb files with cdbmake in our case. So you would need to implement our own cdb writing and reading functions anyways. 18:21 < clifford> why? 18:21 < SMP> just like comparing CVS files to DB/2 ;) 18:22 < SMP> and yes, we would have to implement our cdb reading / writing functions 18:23 < SMP> I thought we had agreed that you wanted to write a package manager to replace pkg-* anyway 18:24 < SMP> not that doing so with cdb.a functions would be particularly complicated 18:24 < clifford> so. (iris hat gerade angerufen ..) 18:24 < clifford> .. scrollback .. 18:25 < SMP> I wrote a patch for Apache's mod_rewrite once. so it could read cdb rewritemaps in addittion to dbm rewritemaps 18:25 < clifford> does cdb.a implement writing cdb files without loading whole records into memory? 18:25 < SMP> of course 18:26 < clifford> ok - that's good. 18:26 < SMP> one thing that is missing from the cdb.a lib is a traversal API 18:27 < SMP> it can not enumerate the keys 18:27 < SMP> but we don't need that anyway 18:28 -!- [anders] [anders@62.3.122.161] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 18:28 < clifford> hmm... how do we name our package format? 18:28 -!- [anders] [anders@62.3.122.161] has joined #rocklinux 18:28 < SMP> heck, we could even pack multiple tar.bz2 files under one key in a cdb package. 18:28 < SMP> whatever that could be useful for ;) 18:29 < clifford> cdb_findnext() it is ... ;-) 18:29 < SMP> exactly 18:29 < SMP> clifford: I propose we use .gem :) 18:29 < clifford> hmm .. does cdb support reading a cdb file which is just a key in another cdb file? 18:30 < SMP> you mean that is stored under a key 18:31 < clifford> erm... yes. a cdb file which is stored as record should that have been .. ;-) 18:31 < clifford> why ".gem" ?? 18:32 < SMP> gem = Edelstein 18:32 < SMP> look it up in an Engl. dictionany. fits perfectly :) 18:34 < SMP> storing a cdb as a record in another cdb sound like a stupid idea. but you can hack it up 18:34 < clifford> hmm.. how about ".YAPFWIOUBOD" (yet another package format which is only used by one distribution) 18:35 < SMP> hey, we can use RPM. it's ok with me ;->> 18:36 < clifford> are you sure? 18:36 < SMP> I mean using the RPM Package Manager, not just .rpm 18:37 < clifford> yes. are you sure? 18:38 < SMP> well I think it would be ok. we'd need to hack around it a bit. not that I would prefer it, though 18:38 < clifford> ok. so you are not sure. that's very good. 18:39 < clifford> ;-) 18:39 < SMP> hehe :> 18:39 < clifford> so - how do we name it?? 18:39 < clifford> rpm = rock package manager ? ;-) 18:39 < SMP> *eg* 18:40 < rolla> :) 18:40 < clifford> what's about ".p" (= package) 18:41 < SMP> I'm still in favor of GEM :) 18:42 < SMP> and call the package manger /bin/mine 18:42 < huebi> hehe 18:42 < clifford> *grin* 18:42 < huebi> .gem is nice 18:43 -!- snyke [~snyke@eros.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:43 < clifford> what's about ".rbp" (rock binary package) 18:44 < Mike1> clifford: you dont like .gem? 18:45 < clifford> I'd prefer an acronym .. 18:45 < Mike1> .rgp ? 18:45 < SMP> so we make it an acronym 18:46 < Mike1> (rock gem package) 18:46 < SMP> an recursive one even 18:46 < SMP> GEM is the GEM Elements Manager 18:46 * SMP shakes his head 18:47 < huebi> gem = not a Gentoo Error or Mistake 18:47 < clifford> **rotf** 18:47 < Mike1> huebi: hahahaha 18:47 < clifford> GEM = General Error and Major failure 18:48 < huebi> yep. That's it. 18:48 * clifford singing: join the army now 18:49 < huebi> name on a door in the FH Darmstadt: General P. Fault 18:49 < SMP> gems don't need fscking acronyms. ;) 18:49 < SMP> bbl, food 18:49 < huebi> cu SMP 18:49 < clifford> cu 18:50 < Mike1> cu 18:50 < clifford> GEM = GNUs are Evil Monsters 18:51 < Mike1> Gentoo's are Even More 18:51 < rxr> re 18:51 < rxr> hi clifford ! 18:51 < Mike1> hi rxr 18:51 < clifford> rxr: hi!!!! 18:51 < rxr> one moment - My amazon calls me ... 18:54 < clifford> GEM = GEM instablE Module ? 18:55 < clifford> GEM = GEM Eraseable Module ?!? 18:58 < clifford> GEM = GEM Elementary Module !! 18:58 < clifford> since you cannot install a half package that's exactly what it is. 18:59 < rxr> re 19:00 < clifford> rxr: is there any special reason why the gnome 1 packages are called e.g. glib1 and the gnome2 packages are called e.g. glib ? 19:00 < clifford> what do we do if gnome3 comes out? 19:01 < rxr> clifford: I have not yet thought about this ... - the actual package will have the name $pgk - and the old compatibility package will be named $pkg-$old-ver 19:02 < clifford> rxr: ??? 19:02 < rxr> clifford: yes? Any better idea? 19:03 < rxr> one problem might be the flist for the package for deinstallation / update ... 19:03 < clifford> we (at the dev meeting in vienna) thought that it might be better to simply call them e.g. glib1 abd glib2. If gnome3 comes up there will also be a glib3 package .. 19:04 < rxr> clifford: ok - I did not do this, because of the old package auto-detection and the name overwrite for all the names ... 19:04 < clifford> I thought already so. 19:04 < clifford> So you agree that naming the new packages e.g. glib2 would be better? 19:07 < rxr> yes. ACK 19:07 < clifford> great. 19:07 < clifford> could you send me a list of packages to rename? 19:08 < clifford> (please don't send me a patch for renaming all this directories. 19:08 < rxr> clifford: I will do much MIDI stuff for GSMP in the next time. I need it now for myself ... ;-) 19:08 < rxr> clifford: yes I can. 19:08 < clifford> yabadabaduuu! 19:08 * clifford just like fred flintstone. 19:09 < clifford> s/just/jumps/ ;-) 19:10 < clifford> rxr: could you also check which package is in x11 and which in rene? 19:10 < clifford> e.g. pkg-config is in rene - so the whole gnome stuff will not build in a base+x11 package selection. 19:10 < rxr> for the rename issue? Or in some resorting in generel? 19:20 < clifford> resorting in general. 19:21 < rxr> ah - I will do ... 19:21 < rxr> clifford: are there any news from the rock devel summit ? 19:22 < clifford> we agreet on a new binary package format. 19:22 < clifford> discussed a few problems and decided some implementation details. 19:23 < clifford> 2 days haven't been enought for doing something really impressive. 19:24 < d3mian> re 19:25 < d3mian> yabadabaduuu, hehe 19:25 < Mike1> re d3mian 19:25 < d3mian> Mike1: ill talk with will soon 19:25 < Mike1> oh ok 19:32 -!- armijn [~armijn@131.211.83.40] has joined #rocklinux 19:32 < armijn> re 19:32 < Mike1> good day armijn 19:33 < armijn> 'llo 19:33 < armijn> already evening here :) 19:34 < Mike1> good evening then :) 19:34 < armijn> thanks :) 19:35 < Mike1> armijn: i read your mail regarding silo, have you or ripclaw got any chance to work on it? 19:41 < clifford> www.clifford.at/priv/GEM-MINE 19:41 < clifford> please read it and send feedback! 19:44 -!- snyke [~snyke@eros.bingo-ev.de] has quit ("snyke has no reason") 19:44 < Mike1> clifford: looks very cool! mini -i package.gem 19:45 < Mike1> clifford: it can uppdate/install mutliple packages at the same time right? 19:45 < Mike1> -p 19:45 < clifford> sure. 19:45 < SMP> hmm 19:45 < Mike1> have you thought about updating categories? 19:46 < clifford> Mike1: no. 19:46 < Mike1> eg mine -u x11 19:47 < clifford> something like that can be implemented in a shell script. 19:47 < Mike1> mm.. yeah 19:47 < clifford> SMP: is "hmm" good or bad? 19:48 < SMP> mostly good. 19:48 < SMP> let's start: 19:49 < SMP> I'd like to see the fields from <pkg>.desc stored in the cdb. the keys should be the unabbreviated fields from the .desc file 19:50 < clifford> so the ability to simply parse the contained desc file is not enough for you? 19:50 < SMP> they are stored in keys that always have a major letter as their first one as a convention 19:51 < SMP> no other field may have keys beginning with a major letter 19:52 < SMP> I don't like parsing :) 19:52 < clifford> I see. 19:52 < clifford> This information is not stored in in /var/adm/... 19:53 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p5080314D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:53 < clifford> So what's about adding a /var/adm/descs/* with (parsed and re-generated) *.desc files and adding those desc files as whole and key-wise to the cdb file? 19:53 < chrisime> hi clifford 19:54 < SMP> the key for the package data should be format agnostig. that is, no 'tarbz2' in the name 19:54 < chrisime> hallo huebi 19:55 < clifford> Another question: what should we do with desc record which do go over multiple lines? adding a multi-line record or many records? 19:55 < SMP> instead introduce a key that descibes the format of the corresponding package 19:55 < armijn> mike1: I'll try, but I'm extremely busy :(( 19:55 < Mike1> huebi: have you got anytime to work on the reiserfs / ext3 install disks support? 19:55 < Mike1> armijn: oh :( bad to hear that 19:56 < clifford> SMP: I don't see any problem with the pkg_tarbz2 key. Maybe you could explain our point in detail? 19:57 < SMP> clifford: yes, /var/adm/descs/* with the desc file split to keys in the cdb sounds very good. 19:57 < armijn> mike1: ah well, maybe I'll give it a shot tonight 19:57 < Mike1> armijn: nice i will be looking forward to see ur work, i wish i could contribute but right now i am sparcless :(( 19:58 < SMP> clifford: it is not wise to hardcore the tar.bz2 format and there is no reason for it. maybe sometime later we will want to use another archiver 19:58 < SMP> or an other compressor 19:58 < SMP> or none at all. whatever :) 19:59 < clifford> so we make an pkg_targz key. The MINE tool can always look for the prefered key first and check fo others later. 19:59 < armijn> MINE? 19:59 < clifford> GEM Module INstall Environment 19:59 < SMP> :> 19:59 < SMP> 19:41| < clifford> www.clifford.at/priv/GEM-MINE 19:59 * armijn reading 20:00 < SMP> clifford: that sounds really awful ;-} 20:00 < armijn> Gemini? 20:00 < SMP> no.. 20:01 < SMP> look up 'gem' in an English dictionary if you don't get the joke :) 20:01 < armijn> at least it sounds better 20:01 < armijn> well, I did get the joke... 20:01 < armijn> duh 20:01 < armijn> me no stoopid 20:03 < SMP> . o O ( Jar-Jar .. Ar-Mijn ) 20:03 < armijn> Jar-Jarmijn? 20:04 < clifford> Ok. Pls reload the file .. 20:06 < SMP> oh 20:06 < SMP> hmm 20:06 * Mike1 away trouble shooting 20:07 < SMP> multiline vs. multiple records.. 20:07 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 20:07 < SMP> we seem to disagree on that :) 20:08 < clifford> aha. As far as I understood the order or multiple records with the same key stays the same. 20:09 < clifford> Imo it's easier to parse the cdb file with multiple records. 20:10 < SMP> but I don't see a need to store multiple independent sets of descs data, so it should be fine that way. 20:11 < clifford> SMP: hmm? (I didn't got that point now) 20:13 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082BBCA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:13 < tsa> tag 20:14 < d3mian> re tsa 20:14 < SMP> it is ok to store a set of [X] lines as many X keys and not as a single key with multiline data because there is no need to be able to store more than one such set in one file 20:14 < clifford> feuchte gruesse aus oesterreich! 20:14 < armijn> heh, clifford is flooded? 20:15 < SMP> clifford: we can't store the descs keys as just a single letter 20:15 < SMP> clifford: it must be a requirement to use the fully qualified names as the key 20:15 < clifford> why? I don't think that we will have more keys than letters so soon. 20:16 < SMP> but we have fields that do not have a single-letter key right now :) 20:16 < clifford> the names are all just single-lettered (except the [COPY] tag which will also get a single-letter name soon). 20:16 < clifford> which? 20:17 < SMP> well, CV-* 20:17 < clifford> oh. yes. you are right. 20:17 < clifford> you also want them directly as records in the cdb file? 20:18 < clifford> what for? 20:19 < SMP> there is probably no reason to have CV-* as records, yes 20:19 < SMP> but it sounds like a very bad idea to chain ourselves to the single-letter format 20:20 < armijn> bus, train, food, hack, sleep... 20:20 * armijn off 20:20 -!- armijn [~armijn@131.211.83.40] has left #rocklinux () 20:20 < SMP> the only benefit I can see is that you could query all keys A through Z 20:21 < SMP> but that is better done by parsing descs ;) 20:21 < clifford> well - You said you want seperate keys for the desc entries. 20:22 < clifford> <SMP> I don't like parsing :) 20:22 < SMP> yes, absolutely. because it makes sense to be able to access that information very easily 20:23 < SMP> I just object to using single letters for all those keys 20:24 < clifford> hae???? Noe i really don't _understand_ what you want and mean. 20:24 < clifford> What keys? 20:24 < clifford> all keys or just trhe desc keys? 20:24 < SMP> the descs keys 20:24 < clifford> why do you want singe letters if they have longer names. 20:24 < SMP> that's what I am asking _you_ :) 20:25 < SMP> because that is what your document says 20:25 < clifford> that's what you said before on irc. 20:25 < SMP> 19:49| < SMP> I'd like to see the fields from <pkg>.desc stored in the cdb. the keys should be the unabbreviated fields from the .desc file 20:26 < clifford> <SMP> they are stored in keys that always have a major letter as their first one as a convention 20:26 < clifford> I didn't read the2nd part of the message ... 20:26 < SMP> 'first one' != 'only one' ;) 20:27 < clifford> ok - now about the multi line vs. multi key problem. 20:27 < SMP> as I said, multi key is ok 20:28 < clifford> ok. 20:28 < clifford> please refetch again. 20:33 < d3mian> cya 20:33 < tsa> clifford: do you accept patches on IRC or do you want a mail? 20:33 < tsa> ;) 20:34 < rxr> hi tsa! 20:34 < tsa> hi rxr 20:34 < clifford> tsa: DCC doesn't work over my firewall .. 20:34 < tsa> clifford: dcc is not needed, patch is easy. 20:34 < tsa> clifford: package/base/gmp/gmp.desc 20:34 < clifford> ok. so send it per /query 20:34 < tsa> -[V] 4.1 20:34 < tsa> +[V] 3.1.1 20:34 < tsa> -[D] 2455756815 gmp-4.1.tar.gz ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/gmp/ 20:34 < tsa> +[D] 270801889 gmp-3.1.1.tar.gz ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/gmp/ 20:35 < tsa> (yes, this is a downgrade) 20:36 < tsa> /usr/bin/rep is broken with gmp 4.1 20:36 < clifford> which package has problems with the newer version? 20:36 < clifford> that's bad. 20:37 < tsa> librep, all versions. 20:37 < tsa> 0.15, 0.16.1, no difference 20:37 < tsa> an easy test: 20:38 < tsa> $ rep 20:38 < tsa> rep 0.16.1, Copyright (C) 1999-2000 John Harper 20:38 < tsa> rep comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details see the file COPYING 20:38 < tsa> Built Tue Aug 13 2002 by root@azathoth, for i686-pc-linux-gnu. 20:38 < tsa> Enter `,help' to list commands. 20:38 < tsa> user> (random 1) 20:38 < tsa> 0 20:38 < tsa> with gmp 4.1, rep segfaults 20:38 < tsa> with 3.1.1 and earlier, everything is ok 20:40 < clifford> "patch" applied. 20:40 < clifford> (tsa = Sebastian Jaenicke, right?0 20:41 < tsa> yes. 20:42 < tsa> btw..do we already have librep 0.16.1 in 1.7.0-dev? 20:42 < tsa> no, w3e don't 20:43 < tsa> s,3,', 20:45 < tsa> [D] 856928463 librep-0.16.1.tar.gz https://unc.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/librep/ 20:48 < clifford> applied. 20:48 < tsa> ;-) 20:48 < tsa> thanks. 20:54 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 20:54 < Mike1> re 20:54 < tsa> holy mike 20:54 < tsa> s,y,a, 20:54 < rolla> re mike 20:54 < tsa> que tal? 20:54 < Mike1> Hola tsa 20:54 < Mike1> muy bien y tu ? 20:54 < tsa> muy bien, gracias. 20:54 < Mike1> que bueno 20:56 < Mike1> d3mian: you here? 20:59 < Mike1> ...D...3...M...I...A...N... 21:00 < tsa> hehe 21:01 -!- term_emu is now known as term_aweh 21:02 < tsa> koffice patch on the mailing list 21:05 < rxr> tsa: I'll apply it! - I'm now back and will do much 1.7 work the next time 21:05 < tsa> rxr: c00l. 21:06 < tsa> i'll wait for the next snap and start a new build. 21:06 < tsa> there's still lots of stuff waiting to be fixed in stage 3. 21:06 < tsa> last time i tried, stage 1 and 2 were without any errors at all, but several stuff failed in 3.. 21:07 < tsa> most stuff because of broken imake commands afail 21:07 < tsa> s,l,k 21:12 < tsa> i'll have a deeper look into that one later.. 21:13 -!- uniplex [~zip@ip68-99-105-125.hr.hr.cox.net] has left #rocklinux () 21:14 < rxr> tsa: I have not yet done a new 1.7 build after my holiday ... 21:14 < rxr> I validayte the 1.7 changes and start a new build, soon ... 21:17 -!- chrisime_ [~chrisime@p50803CA9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:20 -!- ge0rg is now known as Ge0rG 21:21 < [anders]> huhu.. 21:21 < Mike1> Hi [anders] 21:21 < Mike1> :)) 21:21 < huebi> hi [anders] 21:21 < [anders]> greetz Mike1.. how's things? :) 21:22 < huebi> re, btw 21:22 < [anders]> moin huebi.. :) Still afloat? 21:23 < huebi> [anders]: No, here in central Germany is almost no rain. But clifford starts to get some skin between his fingers... *g* 21:23 < [anders]> they showed on the news tonight the floodings in austria and czhek republic.. 21:23 < tsa> hehe 21:23 < tsa> hi huebi 21:23 < [anders]> huebi: hehe... 21:23 < huebi> hi tsa 21:24 < huebi> hi Mike1 21:24 < [anders]> tsa: morrn morrn.. how's things? 21:24 < tsa> hi [anders] 21:24 < tsa> uh, everything fine. 21:24 < tsa> after my gmp downgrade, things are even working again here... 21:24 < tsa> ;-) 21:25 < [anders]> tsa: version hysteria has many things to answer for.. ;-) 21:25 < Mike1> huebi: did you get the chance to see eject? 21:25 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p5080314D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Connection timed out) 21:25 < tsa> hehe 21:25 < huebi> Great weekend but a bit too short to get things done, not only discussed. 21:25 < huebi> Mike1: not yet. But I try it now 21:25 < Mike1> huebi: excellent thanks 21:25 < huebi> rar or unrar at least is missing... 21:26 < Mike1> huebi: i found a few borken links i will fix it 21:26 < huebi> Mike1: very good. 21:26 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-5a190.tin.it] has joined #rocklinux 21:33 < [anders]> huebi: humma.. getting odd build errors in rarpd.. 21:33 < [anders]> rarpd.c:332: `ARPOP_REVREQUEST' undeclared -and- rarpd.c:469: `ETHER_ADDR_LEN' undeclared 21:34 < [anders]> iirc, there is a fix for this.. can't remember what though.. 21:38 < [anders]> aah... libnet missing.. that would be the thing I suppose.. 21:40 < [anders]> hmm.. tweaked the priority on libnet to ensure it being built before rarpd 21:41 * clifford released snapshot 200208132116. 21:42 < tsa> ./scripts/Update-Src -all 21:42 < clifford> I have to go now and install dROCK 1.4.1 on my girlfriends computer .. 21:42 < clifford> cu. 21:42 < tsa> have fun. 21:42 < huebi> cu clifford 21:42 -!- clifford is now known as clifford_away 21:42 < tsa> don't forget to install yourself on your.. *G* 21:42 < huebi> geetings to Iris 21:43 < plfiorini> forlks, what about gnupdate? 21:43 < plfiorini> what do you think? 21:45 < tsa> --verbose 21:46 < tsa> ERROR: Unknown file: download/alpha/aboot/aboot/aboot-0.9.tar.gz. 21:46 < tsa> hm... 21:52 * [anders] going to watch some TV and then go to bed.. night night all.. 21:52 < tsa> cu [anders], have fun.. 21:52 < huebi> cu [anders] 21:53 < esden> re hi all 21:53 < Mike1> re esden 21:53 < esden> urgh ... I have to go to bed >_< :-((((( 21:54 < huebi> cu esden 21:55 < Mike1> wow that was a fast visit 21:55 < Mike1> night esden 21:55 < tsa> hehe, indeeed. 21:56 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@linus.regehr.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:56 < holyolli> re 21:56 < Mike1> re holyolli 21:57 < huebi> huhu holyolli 21:57 < holyolli> hi Mike1 21:57 < holyolli> tach huebi 21:57 * -> esden not going yet 21:57 * -> esden reading email and readind 1.7 diff 21:57 < holyolli> huebi: how did you manage the power supply of your lcd? 21:58 < esden> huebi: how feels your lcd ? 21:58 < huebi> holyolli: esden used 5v from the internal main supply. 21:59 < huebi> esden: I have get it up again first. 21:59 < esden> huebi: ahh good ... so it is back online 21:59 < huebi> I have the idea to look at the data sheet of the chipset to find out if it's possible to get the power out of the parallel port. 22:00 < holyolli> huebi: ah...cause i want to try it from the gameport... 22:00 * -> esden connecting on huebi display and writing bad things on it ;-) 22:00 < holyolli> esden: *fg* 22:00 < esden> we need a mathilda version that can be displayed on a 20x4 character display ;-) 22:00 < esden> and a rock logo ... 22:00 < huebi> ACK 22:00 < tsa> hehe 22:00 < holyolli> jepp 22:00 < holyolli> hi tesa 22:01 < holyolli> tesa: hast du versucht, mich anzurufen? 22:01 < esden> hi tesa ... are u usable as a hologram data medium ? 22:02 < holyolli> *lol!* 22:02 < tsa> olli! 22:02 < tsa> esden: try me! 22:02 < holyolli> esden: not that....but do you know "tesa power strip"? ;-)) 22:02 < tsa> ;-) 22:02 < tsa> holyolli: nack, y 22:02 < tsa> ? 22:02 < esden> tsa: RRRRRR ;-) 22:02 < tsa> au scheisse. 22:02 < holyolli> hehehe 22:02 < tsa> rxr: 22:02 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@pop-zh-12-1-dialup-164.freesurf.ch] has joined #rocklinux 22:02 < tsa> Downloading download/rene/xemacs-packages/xemacs-sumo-2002-07-20.tar.bz2 ... 22:03 < tsa> fails. 22:03 < holyolli> .oO(der hinterlässt sogar keine flecken an der wand...) 22:03 * -> esden klatscht tsa an die wand ;-) 22:03 < tsa> au! 22:03 < esden> hehe ;-) 22:04 < huebi> is owl online again? 22:04 < esden> you are looking so sweet tsa when you get hurt ;-) 22:04 < tsa> huebi: don't know. 22:04 < zer0_o> huhu 22:05 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@pop-zh-12-1-dialup-164.freesurf.ch] has quit (Client Quit) 22:05 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@pop-zh-12-1-dialup-164.freesurf.ch] has joined #rocklinux 22:05 -!- angel|of|chaos [AngelofCha@pD95259B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:05 < Mike1> lo zer0_o 22:05 < zer0_o> w00s gayt ? =) 22:05 -!- owl [owl@B587e.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:06 < huebi> lol 22:06 < tsa> huebi: there's owl.. 22:06 < owl> hi 22:06 < Mike1> huebi: look who is here 22:06 < huebi> hi owl 22:06 < Mike1> hi owl 22:06 < owl> *g* 22:06 < owl> what's going on, today? ;) 22:06 < tsa> owl: no coffee in here.. 22:06 < Mike1> its was just the time to have coffee 22:06 < Mike1> and you were missing 22:06 < owl> tsa: ... 22:07 < tsa> no poison this time, please. 22:07 < owl> of course with poison 22:07 * Mike1 hehe 22:07 < zer0_o> hi owl 22:07 < zer0_o> ;) 22:07 < owl> gu zer0 22:07 < tsa> ? 22:08 < owl> h 22:08 < owl> hi 22:08 < owl> (oops. bad keyboard) 22:08 < holyolli> hi owl 22:08 < th> hi owl 22:08 < zer0_o> throw it out the window ;) 22:09 < owl> yeah. 22:09 < owl> i really should do it... but... typing without any keyboard.. ehm... no brain-to-computer device was developed, am i right? 22:11 < zer0_o> hmm, yeah .. =| too bad 22:11 < zer0_o> why are u talking english ? 22:11 < zer0_o> =) 22:12 < tsa> -> $LANG 22:12 < Mike1> zer0_o we can talk spanish if you want 22:12 < tsa> aaah 22:12 < tsa> muy bien 22:12 < holyolli> bueno...muy bien idea 22:12 < holyolli> ;-) 22:12 < huebi> or with esden polish 22:12 < zer0_o> ¿hablas espanol? 22:12 < Mike1> claro tsa 22:13 < holyolli> or swedish... 22:13 < tsa> noo... 22:13 < Mike1> zer0_o calro que si 22:13 < Mike1> tsa: espanol es el mejor ! :P 22:13 < zer0_o> i don't speak spanish =) 22:13 < tsa> Mike1: seguro.. 22:13 < tsa> zer0_o: quien importa? 22:13 < Mike1> hahaha 22:14 < Mike1> holyolli: tu que opinas? 22:14 < zer0_o> no 22:14 < tsa> zer0_o: mejor que no nos entiendes.. 22:14 < zer0_o> holyolli =D 22:14 < holyolli> Mike1: yo creo que si 22:15 < tsa> entonces podeos hablar sobre zer0_o .. 22:15 < tsa> +m 22:15 < Mike1> hehe 22:15 < tsa> ;-) 22:15 < zer0_o> tjejen har du vakra ögon =) 22:15 < Mike1> tsa: holyolli *evil grin* 22:15 < rxr> the ROCK Linux article from me should be in the next Linux Magazin ;-)! 22:15 * rxr showering ... 22:15 < zer0_o> yeah =) 22:15 < tsa> zer0_o,. quien sos vos que me hables asi? 22:15 < Mike1> rxr: congratz 22:16 < zer0_o> holyolli, jag bjuder alla på en öl! =D 22:16 < holyolli> zero: du kan prata svenska eller är det norsk? 22:16 < zer0_o> jag kan inte prata svenska 22:16 < zer0_o> =| 22:17 < tsa> hm.. 22:17 < tsa> necesito vacaciones. 22:17 < zer0_o> these are copy-and-paste sentences .. 22:17 < tsa> y chicas. 22:17 < Mike1> zer0_o Jag talar engelska, franska, svenska och spanska. 22:17 < holyolli> .oO(jag hoppar att anders sittar på keyboard....) 22:18 < holyolli> honom _kan_ pratar och scriva... 22:18 < Mike1> tsa: ven a Costa RIca entonces :) 22:18 < zer0_o> mike, w00t ? multi-lang man =) 22:19 < Mike1> tsa: y tambien invitamos a holyolli 22:19 < tsa> Mike1: hehe, buena idea. quantos chicas ya estan esperandome? ;-) 22:19 < Mike1> zer0_o hehe :) 22:19 < Mike1> tsa: muchas :) 22:19 < tsa> Mike1: __muy__ bien.. 22:20 < tsa> holyolli: quantos chicas quieres tu? 22:20 < tsa> o prefieres d3mian? *G* 22:20 < zer0_o> btw, how was the rock-meeting ? =) 22:20 < holyolli> tsa: nej...inte d3mian... 22:21 < tsa> holyolli: otra lengua, porfa' .. 22:21 < holyolli> tsa: porque? 22:21 < tsa> porque no puedo entender nada. 22:22 < holyolli> hm. 22:23 < h0h0> porque estamos hablando espanol? 22:23 < tsa> no se. 22:23 < tsa> porque lo entiedo, probablemente. 22:23 < tsa> +n 22:23 < esden> who is talking esperanto ? ;-{ 22:23 < esden> ) 22:23 < h0h0> nadie 22:23 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A7D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:24 < tsa> hola snyke, como te va? 22:24 < snyke> wos? 22:24 < esden> hola snyke, como estas ? 22:24 < holyolli> hej snyke, hur är laget? 22:24 * snyke != hure 22:24 < snyke> @ holyolli 22:24 < holyolli> *lol* 22:24 < h0h0> quien es hure 22:24 < tsa> huh? 22:24 < h0h0> o donde? 22:24 < snyke> argh 22:24 < h0h0> o que? 22:24 < snyke> is heute RockLinux international angesagt? 22:25 < esden> h0h0: hure = puta 22:25 < tsa> snyke: si. 22:25 < holyolli> hure i espaniol es "puta" 22:25 < snyke> ahyes 22:25 < Mike1> snyke: yup 22:25 < huebi> snyke: no bawarian today... 22:26 < esden> rock is gaining more languages from day to day ... I LOVE it ;-) 22:26 < tsa> hehe 22:26 < holyolli> esden: and where is "polnisch"? 22:26 < holyolli> .oO(what is "polnisch" in english...?" 22:26 < esden> tutaj jest polski 22:26 < holyolli> ah 22:26 < tsa> ARRRGH 22:26 < th> holyolli: polish 22:26 < holyolli> thx ;) 22:26 < esden> holyolli: niewiem czego chcesz 22:26 < tsa> hahaha 22:26 < tsa> that one was too simple. 22:27 < esden> holyolli: staram sie ;-) 22:27 < tsa> e in espanol? 22:27 < tsa> es pulaka, si? 22:27 < zer0_o> omg 22:27 < tsa> s,in.en, 22:27 < zer0_o> snyke, lass deutsch sprechen, das is ja horrormässig =P 22:27 < holyolli> hey...sächsisch war noch nicht... 22:28 < esden> export $LANG=EN_en 22:28 < h0h0> englishwithouspaces? 22:28 < tsa> export $ESDEN=puta 22:28 < tsa> *duck* 22:28 < th> esden: you should remove the $ 22:28 < tsa> arghs 22:29 < tsa> me too. 22:29 * h0h0 quiero inlgles sin barreros 22:29 < tsa> could remove esden, too, but "export $=.." doesn't work, i guess.. 22:30 < tsa> ;) 22:34 < snyke> hmm 22:34 < snyke> <-- PopoKärtchen 22:35 < snyke> wenn des kuhle donauwasser noch ein bissl steigt - dann is aus 22:35 < snyke> zwar hab ich dann ned direkt ein Problem mit dem Wasser 22:35 < owl> hm??? 22:35 < snyke> aber ich bekomm meinen Strom aus nem Trafohäusl des jetz so halb in der Donau steht 22:35 < snyke> und da gibts dann ärger 22:35 < snyke> zwecks brizzel 22:35 * Ge0rG wohnt keinen kilometer von der elbe weg 22:35 < snyke> Die von Radio IN angekündigte Stromabschaltung in Mailing-Feldkirchen wird derzeit nicht durchgeführt. Stromabschaltungen werden nur vorgenommen wenn eine Überflutung der elektrischen Anlagen droht, oder Einsatzpersonal gefährdet würde. 22:36 < snyke> naja das is ja noch viel 22:36 * tsa fordert Schwimmfluegel fuers Einsatzpersonal.. 22:36 < snyke> wenn ich ned gepennt hätt wär ich auch Einsatzpersonal 22:36 < snyke> aber NEIN 22:37 < snyke> ich muss im bitz sein und die losige Katastrophenschutzalarmierung ned hören >_< 22:37 < snyke> *hass* 22:40 < plfiorini> g'night 22:40 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-5a190.tin.it] has quit ("Shake your head") 22:42 < holyolli> snyke: bistu beim thw? 22:44 -!- angel|of|chaos [AngelofCha@pD95259B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (".: https://www.mpm-lan.de :.") 22:46 < Mike1> esden: kiedy wracasz? 22:54 < esden> ok ... juz jestem zpowrotem ;-) 22:54 < esden> ale niestety musze isc do luszka 22:55 < esden> niewiele spalem ostatniej nocy 22:55 < holyolli> .oO(man könnte denken, esden tippt auf seiner dvorak-tastatur und hat das qwertz-layout geladen... ;) 22:55 < esden> das sieht aber anders aus glaube ich 22:56 < esden> ok ... I have to go to bed 22:56 < huebi> cu esden 22:56 < holyolli> good night esden 22:56 < esden> sleep well all of you 22:56 < owl> gn8 esden 23:02 < tsa> cu esden 23:10 < tsa> hm.. 23:10 < tsa> is there something like an anonymous sftp? 23:10 < tsa> never used sftp before.. 23:10 < huebi> ka 23:11 < Mike1> re 23:11 < Mike1> nacht esden 23:12 < zer0_o> n8 all 23:12 < zer0_o> hf 23:12 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@pop-zh-12-1-dialup-164.freesurf.ch] has quit (".. =)") 23:12 < tsa> id'd like to setup something like an anon ftp server, but with encrypted communication. 23:12 < tsa> chroot preferred, of course. 23:13 < Mike1> tsa: why ftp? 23:13 < Mike1> use rsync over an ssh tunnel 23:14 < tsa> Mike1: should be easy to use even for beginners - i don't want to explain things 2 hours to get a single text file.. 23:14 < tsa> ;-) 23:14 * Mike1 just realized tsa was thinking about anonymous ftp ... damn that wont work 23:14 < tsa> hehe 23:14 < Mike1> tsa: still moving files arround with rsync is ways easier and secure you can make a script for it 23:17 < Mike1> sort of like: rsync -rltzave ssh dir/ (or file.foo) my.host.foo:/<path> 23:33 < tsa> woot. 23:33 < tsa> <- happy. 23:33 < tsa> sybase backup basically seems to work. 23:33 < tsa> still needs some work, but i already knew that one... 23:34 -!- chrisime__ [~chrisime@p50803BA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:36 -!- chrisime__ [~chrisime@p50803BA1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Client Quit) 23:40 < rxr> ARRRGHHHHHHHH! 23:40 < rxr> clifford_away: Who added these ugly copyrigth crap to every file ????????????? 23:46 -!- chrisime_ [~chrisime@p50803CA9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Connection timed out) 23:53 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A7D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ("°ShowDowN v12 PrO° since 1996: https://www.sci.fi/~showdown/") 23:54 < tsa> rxr: huh? 23:55 < tsa> example? 23:56 < tsa> # --- ROCK-COPYRIGHT-NOTE-BEGIN --- 23:56 < tsa> that one? 23:56 < tsa> seems like we're gpl'd .. --- Log closed Wed Aug 14 00:00:29 2002