--- Log opened Thu Aug 15 00:00:48 2002
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00:02 < huebi> Mike1: no, I updated binutils and tested eject. eject now works on ia32 and sparc64
00:02 < Mike1> huebi: sweet!, did you need to change anything?
00:02 < esden> re
00:02 < esden> holyolli: ?
00:02 < Mike1> re esden
00:03 < huebi> only the 2nd line in eject.pz. The spaces must be tabs.
00:03 < Mike1> huebi: this is very strange i always make it with tabs
00:03 < Mike1> ans always need to be fixed
00:05 < huebi> if you use copy and paste with the mouse the tabs become spaces
00:05 < holyolli> esden: do you know a way to chance the g++-flags during compile? or do i have to patch the makefile?
00:05 < holyolli> esden: it's because of qt on alpha.
00:06 < holyolli> i have to chance from -O2 to -O0
00:06 < thalerim> ah esden
00:06 < thalerim> ... it's fscking
00:06 < holyolli> otherwise the build process coredumps (and probably also on ppc and sparc)
00:07 < esden> holyolli: you mean you want to change the flags during the compile of qt ?
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00:07 < holyolli> well i want to chance them from qt.conf
00:07 < holyolli> but i think that "wildes herumpatchen" is not the right way.. ;)
00:08 < tsa> http://fun.drno.de/txt/german/kindermund.txt
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00:08 < tsa> lol.
00:08 < tsa> Ein Pfirsich ist wie ein Apfel mit Teppich drauf.
00:09 < holyolli> hehe
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00:09 < esden> loool
00:10 < tsa> auch ziemlich cool..
00:10 < tsa> http://fun.drno.de/pics/kiwi.gif
00:11 < owl> tsa: spinner
00:11 < tsa> hehe
00:12 < tsa> http://fun.drno.de/pics/english/FemaleAnatomy.jpg
00:12 * tsa duckt sich mal besser..
00:13 * owl tritt tsa so richtig!!!
00:14 < thalerim> lol
00:16 < owl> thalerim: hier wird nicht gelacht
00:17 < thalerim> warum nicht?
00:17 < thalerim> Kann owl etwa nicht Witze ber sich selbst machen? :-)
00:17 < thalerim> bzw. ertragen
00:17 < owl> thalerim: ist so. gesetz. paragraph 938, rocklinux-gesetzbuch
00:18 < thalerim> ich bin priviligiert, ich darf alles
00:18 < thalerim> ;-P
00:18 < owl> thalerim: du bist ein mann, du darfst nix
00:18 < tsa> owl: sei friedlich, geh Kaffee kochen.
00:18 < thalerim> yup ... (jetzt hast du angefangen) ... du darfst dafr kaffee machen
00:18 < owl> tsa: noe. nie. und friedlich - was ist das?
00:19 < owl> bla
00:20 < thalerim> lol ...
00:20 < owl> was ist der unterschied zwischen einem mann und joghurt?
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00:20 < owl> joghurt hat kultur!
00:20 < thalerim> owl: du bist so s, wenn du dich aufregst *hihi*
00:20 * Mike1 leaves for some nice vacation
00:20 < Mike1> might come back for a bit on friday
00:20 < owl> thalerim: sr???
00:20 < thalerim> hehe, have phun @ Mike1
00:20 < Mike1> see you all my friend
00:21 < thalerim> dear about your wife
00:21 < Mike1> thalerim: sure i will
00:21 < tsa> have fun, Mike1
00:21 < owl> have fun, Mike1
00:21 < Mike1> bye
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00:21 < owl> bye
00:21 < huebi> cu owl
00:21 < owl> nix cu...
00:21 < owl> ich meinte nur "bye Mike1"
00:22 < owl> :P
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00:22 < thalerim> <owl> thalerim: sr??? <- sr?
00:22 < tsa> thalerim: frau versucht zu tippen..
00:23 < owl> thalerim: was hattest du geschrieben???
00:23 < thalerim> owl: du bist so s, wenn du dich aufregst *hihi* <-
00:23 < owl> tsa: nein, ich vermute stark, dass thalerim umlaute verwendet hat...
00:23 < thalerim> achso
00:23 < thalerim> suess
00:23 < owl> thalerim: waaaaas?
00:23 < tsa> hehe
00:23 < thalerim> *g*
00:24 * tsa ueberreicht thalerim den goldenen Bagger.
00:24 < tsa> *duck*
00:24 < esden> this is really cute !! : http://fun.drno.de/pics/perl.jpg
00:24 < esden> ;-)
00:24 < thalerim> lol ...
00:24 < thalerim> tsa: interpretier das wie du willst :-P
00:24 < esden> this girl has been signed ;-)
00:25 < tsa> ah, yesss ;)
00:25 < owl> wuah!!!
00:25 < tsa> esden: is this owl?
00:25 < owl> tsa: shut up!!!
00:25 < thalerim> puh, esden ... ich hab kein bock mehr
00:25 < esden> tsa ... no ... why???
00:25 < thalerim> ich kreiere jetzt den patch
00:25 < tsa> esden: just curious..
00:25 < esden> thalerim: du gibst auf ?
00:26 < thalerim> lol fr heute schon
00:26 < tsa> esden: just thought you might know owl's ass better than i do.. *tiefduck*
00:26 < thalerim> du kannst ja mal versuchen, da ne passende farbe rein zu kriegeen
00:26 < esden> thalerim: keine ausdauer was ? ;-) *fg*
00:26 < huebi> esden: kann man den Kontrast am LCD irgendwie einstellen?
00:26 * owl koepft tsa!!!!!!!!!!!!!
00:26 < holyolli> .oO(tsa bckt sich heute erstaunlich oft und doll... ;-)
00:27 < esden> tsa: hehe ;-) not really 
00:27 < tsa> holyolli: muss sein - sonst waer der kopp jetzt weg..
00:27 * -> esden is searching a new ass to explore ;-)
00:28 < owl> esden: tsssssssssssssssss.
00:28 < holyolli> urks
00:28 < owl> esden: du hasst probleme
00:28 < esden> young ... crunchy ... and wellformed please
00:28 < esden> and femail
00:28 < esden> if possible ;-)
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00:29 < owl> *gggg*
00:29 < tsa> esden: choose any female that is currently available here..
00:29 < owl> *tsa_auf_mond_tret*
00:29 < holyolli> http://fun.drno.de/txt/german/seminarangebot_fuer_frauen.txt <-- hehehe
00:29 < owl> s,mond,mars
00:29 < holyolli> should we also create fRock...female Rock.. ;-)
00:30 < tsa> rotfl.
00:30 < owl> holyolli: nein!!!
00:30 < esden> tsa: no.
00:30 < holyolli> doch...easy to install. insert cd. boot. run linux.
00:30 < owl> holyolli: hast du die falsche freundin erwischt?
00:31 < holyolli> mh? warum?
00:31 < esden> huebi: you now know what your next project is
00:31 < tsa> holyolli: most important point: no root access for user, system does not accept any kind of input.
00:31 < owl> *esdenkill*
00:31 < holyolli> tsa: jepp
00:31 < tsa> (otherwise, it would be broken pretty fast..
00:31 < owl> *holyollikill* *tsakill*
00:31 < tsa> )
00:31 < esden> owl: traust dich eh nicht
00:31 < holyolli> tsa: and... NO INTERNET!
00:31 < holyolli> ;-)
00:31 < holyolli> *wegrenn*
00:31 < owl> esden: sicher
00:31 < esden> ne tust du nicht
00:32 < tsa> holyolli: full ack.
00:32 < thalerim> esden: http://freebits.de/trash/sonstiges/patches/install_menu/
00:32 < tsa> women on the internet are a very bad idea.
00:32 < thalerim> ich mach morgen, oder sonstwann weiter
00:32 < holyolli> jepp
00:32 < owl> esden: na das werden wir mal sehen... pass' nur auf...
00:32 < holyolli> expensive
00:32 < tsa> just remember melissa.
00:32 < holyolli> hehe
00:32 < esden> lool ... a cool mouse for owl ... as a windoof user ;-) : http://fun.drno.de/pics/mice.jpg
00:32 < esden> owl: ok ... ich warte
00:32 < esden> thalerim: thanks
00:33 < owl> esden: still! ich bin gerade unter linux! also!!! meckermode_off, bitte!
00:33 < esden> kk
00:33 < tsa> esden: too many mouse buttons.
00:33 < tsa> http://www.jaenicke.org/fun/users.jpg <- better
00:34 < owl> tsa: ich geb's auf. ich bin zu friedlich... verdammt ;-/
00:34 < holyolli> *rotfl*
00:35 < owl> holyolli: lach mich ned aus
00:35 < tsa> owl: nanu, einsichtig obwohl weiblich?
00:36 < owl> tsa: nein. nicht einsichtig. nur friedlich!
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00:36 < thalerim> esden: please apply it right now ...
00:37 < tsa> oh, owl ist beim seminar bereits bei modul I, schritt 1.
00:37 < holyolli> owl: ich lache dich nicht aus. ich hab mich ber das lustige bild von tsa amsiert...
00:37 < tsa> 1.)Das Schicksal akzeptieren lernen: Ich bin als Frau geboren.
00:37 < tsa> 2.)Den gewohnten Lebensraum kennen lernen: Die Kche.  <- Ha! Ab morgen macht owl hier Kaffee fuer alle..
00:37 < owl> :PPPPPPPPPP
00:38 < owl> tsa: du brauchst einene lektion im umgang mit IRC wie mir scheint... _umlaute aus_ !!! _bitte_
00:38 < owl> und, nein kaffee gibt's nee
00:38 < owl> d
00:38 < tsa> wl.
00:39 < thalerim> ``
00:39 < tsa> copy&paste beherrscht bisher leider noch keine automatische umwandlung von umlauten..
00:39 < owl> tsa: dann wandle es manuell um
00:39 < tsa> warum?
00:40 * tsa kann hier auch umlaute lesen.
00:40 < owl> weil mein client keine umlaute versteht
00:40 < holyolli> thalerim: wo war denn das ?
00:40 < owl> (/me verwendet im moment noch knoppix)
00:40 < esden> thalerim: on it ...
00:41 < thalerim> owl: consolechars -f /usr/share/kbd/consolefont*/lat0-12*
00:41 < huebi> Umlaute ausschliesslich mit arabischer Tastatur und hebraeischem Zeichensatz
00:41 < owl> thalerim: bla
00:41 < tsa> owl: und was ist mit farben?
00:41 < owl> *knurr*
00:42 < thalerim> owl: dann ist dir nicht zu helfen ...   ...
00:42 < tsa> bjy ung qbbsr buera
00:43 < owl> thalerim: na und?
00:43 -!- owl is now known as _NULL
00:43 < thalerim> nix ... ich tu nur nicht deine faulheit unterstzen, und wandle die umlaute um
00:44 < _NULL> ach ist mir doch wurscht
00:44 < thalerim> dann reg dich doch nicht so knstlich auf
00:44 < _NULL> thalerim: lass mich doch aufregen so viel wie's mir passt!
00:44 < chrisime> oh je
00:44 < chrisime> null in action?
00:44 < tsa> .oO( Thou shalt not follow the NULL pointer )
00:45 < chrisime> lol
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00:45 < tsa> .oO( noch 10 minuten weiter so, dann beisst owl in die Eumex.. )
00:45 < thalerim> _NULL: n, irgendwer muss ja auf deinen blutdruck aufpassen ... bei der gesellschaft hier ... hum
00:45 < tsa> lol.
00:46 < thalerim> och schon weg
00:46 < tsa> hab mich um 10min verschaetzt..
00:46 < thalerim> +gg*
00:46 < thalerim> tsa: hr mal lieber in der nchsten zeit auf, sie zu rgern ... die kirget ja schon komplexe ... *lol*
00:46 < chrisime> des is ne nudel
00:46 < thalerim> ... gegen mnner ... *hrh*
00:46 < chrisime> die gibt sichs immer selbst
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00:47 < tsa> hm..
00:47 < tsa> vielleicht braucht owl nen mann. wer am naechsten dran wohnt, muss sich opfern, ok?
00:48 < chrisime> hmm
00:48 < chrisime> wo wohnt die?
00:48 < tsa> afaik ingolstadt.
00:48 < huebi> chrisime: neben dir
00:48 * chrisime fluechtet im falle eines falles
00:48 < tsa> duerfte also esden oder fake treffen..
00:48 < tsa> *G*
00:49 < chrisime> *g*
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00:50 < _NULL> re
00:51 < tsa> re _NULL
00:51 < tsa> eumex?
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00:52 < _NULL> re
00:52 < tsa> hm...was machst du da?
00:52 * _NULL erschiesst ihr notebook!
00:53 < _NULL> tsa: mein hardwareschrott (notebook) hat diverse probleme
00:54 < tsa> _NULL: rein interessehalber: wer vom channel hier wohnt am dichtesten bei dir?
00:55 < _NULL> gute frage
00:57 -!- _NULL is now known as NULL
00:58 < tsa> .oO( ..und der gewinner heisst..? )
00:58 < NULL> haeh?
01:00 < tsa> NULL: egal..
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01:00 < tomik> hi
01:00 < NULL> hi tomik
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01:13 < Mike1> re
01:13 < Mike1> :)
01:14 < NULL> re Mike1
01:14 < tsa> re Mike1
01:14 * Mike1 has to come back for half a bit
01:14 < Mike1> incridible but true i am using dialup to loggin my box :)
01:14 * Mike1 havent use dialup in so long
01:18 < NULL> http://www.the-gothicworld.de/lyrics/184.htm
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01:21 < Mike1> ok i go now
01:21 < Mike1> bye
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02:52 < tsa> n8
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07:52 < esden> morning
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08:10 < huebi> moin
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09:24 < plfiorini> hi
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09:35 < [anders]> meow
09:35 < plfiorini> hi [anders]
09:36 < plfiorini> [anders]: i have ported gimp and other things
09:36 < plfiorini> [anders]: i should only compile it (and the entire gnome)
09:36 < plfiorini> but i have my pstn, not adsl :(
09:36 < [anders]> Hmm.. /me would dearly like to know who (and why) decided to try and strip all the modules in /lib on the install disks..
09:36 < [anders]> plfiorini: ported gimp? to gtk+ 2.0 ?
09:37 < [anders]> morning b.t.w. :)
09:37 < plfiorini> btw my rolling tree will be available soon
09:37 < [anders]> :)
09:37 < plfiorini> [anders]: yes
09:37 < plfiorini> 1.3.7
09:37 < plfiorini> ==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD /pub/gimp/v1.3/v1.3.7 ... done.
09:37 < plfiorini> fuck! i have already gimp-1.3.7.tar.bz2
09:37 < plfiorini> i dunno why wget downloads it!
09:38 < [anders]> Wow.. if more packages could be converted to gtk+ 2.0 we could drop gtk+ 1.2 completely.. It's only needed for a few things..
09:38 < plfiorini> [anders]: i'll add other things, i have added also openjade and updated reiserfsprogs, etc..
09:38 < plfiorini> yeah
09:38 < plfiorini> gimp 1.3.7 works well on debian woody (here)
09:39 < plfiorini> i need only my adsl :(
09:39 * plfiorini hates his provider
09:39 < plfiorini> [anders]: i have my rolling tree merged with the your gnome2 tree, i have added some descriptions and i'll do some customization to the gnome environment
09:40 < plfiorini> i am happy
09:41 < plfiorini> and i'll make some themes packages
09:41 < plfiorini> like redhat limbo's wonderland, cleanice....
09:41 < [anders]> plfiorini: Debian Woody have not yet moved to Gnome2 (and Gtk+ 2.0) so Gimp probably still uses the old Gtk+ toolkit..
09:41 < plfiorini> [anders]: nope
09:42 < plfiorini> [anders]: i use gimp from sources, and i know the difference to gtk 1.2 and 2.0
09:42 < [anders]> plfiorini: is there flags in configure then to specify which one to use? :)
09:42 < plfiorini> [anders]: nope
09:42 < plfiorini> nope
09:44 < [anders]> so they made a clean break over to gtk2.. interesting..
09:44 * plfiorini will suicide himself because he's removed gnome1 from the rolling tree
09:44 < plfiorini> [anders]: yes
09:44 < plfiorini> the first stable gnome2 of mrproject is released! yeah
09:46 < [anders]> nice.. :)
09:47 < plfiorini> :)
09:47 < plfiorini> :( 5.12 KB/s
09:47 < [anders]> have they fixed bonobo yet to not rely on old crappy gnome 1.4 packages yet?
09:48 < [anders]> Galeon required bonobo which required gnome-vfs and gnome-print from Gnome 1.4 iirc..
09:48 < plfiorini> what do you mean?
09:48 < plfiorini> the dependencies are a sort of
09:49 < [anders]> I suppose I could build Galeon w/o bonobo/Gnome support..
09:49 < plfiorini> but g2 has lib{bonobo|gnome}[ui]
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09:49 < [anders]> moin tsa
09:49 < tsa> hi *
09:49 < tsa> hi [anders]
09:49 < plfiorini> hi tsa
09:49 < tsa> hi plfiorini
09:49 < [anders]> plfiorini: yeah, but bonobo made specific requests to what versions of what it wanted.. and it wasn't asking for G2 stuff...
09:53 < plfiorini> [anders]: ah, then... libgnome 2.0.0 requires libbonobo 2.0.0
09:53 < plfiorini> [anders]: libbonoboui requires libgnomecanvas and libgnome
09:53 < plfiorini> >= 2.0
09:54 < plfiorini> the libraries have different abi since the previous beta releases
10:00 < esden> morning @ all new ;-)
10:03 < tsa> hi esden
10:03 < [anders]> moin esden
10:13 < rxr_> the new copy-right notices suck
10:14 < esden> but we need them ... rxr_ 
10:14 < esden> ahh ... ok ... IRC stats updated
10:15 * plfiorini gnupg path updated in the .pz file
10:22 < esden> hmm ...
10:22 < plfiorini> ok my pstn requires $$$ so i quit
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10:25 < tsa> *yawn*
10:25 < tsa> <- tired
10:26 < tsa> hehe... esden: you're 20 words behind me in the stats ;-)
10:30 < esden> hehe ... ok so I have to write more
10:30 < esden> it really sux that I have so little time to chat in the last time
10:30 < esden> and I will be away for the next 4 weeks at least
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10:36 < [anders]> esden: I know the feeling.. I have not been able to chat much at all in the last two weeks or so..
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10:36 < [anders]> Been busy trying to get Gnome2 working..
10:37 < esden> I hope that when my university time start's again I have more time to chat
10:37 < esden> and code for rock
10:38 < [anders]> esden: give it a month or so into the term bef expecting much time to be available..
10:38 < [anders]> before even..
10:41 * [anders] is getting more and more accustomed to Gnome2 and Nautilus.. Makes things look nice while still being quite usable..
10:42 < esden> hmm hmm ...
10:42 < [anders]> For work at least it is quite handy. Metacity is a nice WM to use with ut as well as it suffers less from featureitis than sawfish
10:42 < [anders]> s/ ut / it /
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10:43 < [anders]> heh, the only reason I started down the road on gnome2 was the fact that I wanted to try out Metacity.. :-D
10:43 < [anders]> moin snyke
10:44 < snyke> moin
10:45 < esden> I WANT THIS T-SHIRT: http://fun.drno.de/pics/bomb.jpg
10:47 < esden> hi snyke 
10:47 < esden> [anders]: you are allowed to use on your desktop what you like
10:50 < tsa> esden: hehe...nice shirt
10:51 < tsa> http://fun.drno.de/pics/caffeinebox.jpg <- nice machine.
10:59 < [anders]> esden: I know... Sawfish was irritating me, WindowMaker was nice but not quite what I was looking for, Enlightenment was taking too long and was getting very bloated...
10:59 < [anders]> What I wanted was something functional, still looking nice and something that 'just worked'...
10:59 < [anders]> Gnome2 + Metacity + Nautilus = solution...
11:00 < [anders]> Time to tag on all the other little bits that make a system usable...
11:01 * [anders] needs squid, junkbuster, xmms and preferably something to replace JPilot with a calendar/mail/pim tool.. (Evolution...)
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11:16 < thalerim> moin all
11:25 < esden> rofl die : http://fun.drno.de/pics/german/der_wahre_grund.jpg
11:25 < thalerim> esden: What do you say about my improvements? And have you added anything/modified it somewhat?
11:25 < esden> brb
11:26 < thalerim> mh? i came you go ... hrhr
11:26 < tsa> esden: have a look at the movies there.... cool stuff
11:28 < esden> thalerim: no time yet to test ... sorry ... 
11:28 < esden> thalerim: I will do it now
11:28 < thalerim> humpf
11:30 < esden> thalerim: sorry ... :-(
11:35 < esden> hmm ... thalerim it looks strange ... I make a screenshot ... 
11:36 < thalerim> ..hmpf..
11:37 < esden> hehe schedulercode as background ... I like it ;-)
11:39 < thalerim> what's with the strange appearence?
11:39 < esden> thalerim: mom
11:41 < esden> thalerim: http://www.esden.net/desktops/shots/rock_menu_installer.png
11:41 < esden> thalerim: white on gray ... ???
11:42 < esden> but I must say I love this blue, red, black kombination, very much!
11:42 < thalerim> mh ???
11:42 < thalerim> try it in the console
11:42 < esden> thalerim: kk
11:43 < thalerim> huh ...
11:43 < thalerim> i haven't tested it in an xterm so far since I have no color displayable xterm
11:44 < esden> thalerim: ahh in the console it looks great !!
11:44 < thalerim> puuh ...
11:45 < esden> hehe
11:45 < thalerim> the pkg info isn't complete yet ... must add the colons (they're cutted so far) ... and a good highlighting mix
11:46 < esden> thalerim: have fun with highlighting ... that is a lot of string work ... and not trivial afaik
11:47 < thalerim> hehe ... i was sitting almost 3hours on it ... yesterday ... now it's nearly ready ...
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11:47 < bluefire> Moin
11:47 < esden> thalerim: I am looking forward to see your next version of the patch
11:48 < esden> hi bluefire 
11:48 < hackbard> export TER=linux ... and the colors appear :)
11:48 < hackbard> +M
11:48 < thalerim> esden: yup, must fix the df thing
11:49 < thalerim> enter "summary information", you'll get only the informartion of one partition instead of all ... but i know where the error lays.
11:49 < esden> thalerim: yes I know the problem ... bet had no time to take a deeper look on it
11:51 < esden> [anders]: I am using wmaker currently and like it very much ... from time to time I also use evilwm ... I like it a lot too
11:52 < esden> [anders]: the only thing I miss in evilwm is xinerama support
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12:01 < [anders]> esden: http://trudheim.org/Screenshot.png
12:02 < Freak> wow
12:02 < Freak> nice
12:05 < [anders]> I kond of like it.. ;-)
12:05 < [anders]> s/kond/kind/
12:06 < Freak> heh :)
12:08 < esden> http://www.esden.net/desktops/shots/menu_console_1.png
12:08 < esden> http://www.esden.net/desktops/shots/menu_console_2.png
12:08 < esden> http://www.esden.net/desktops/shots/menu_console_3.png
12:08 < esden> http://www.esden.net/desktops/shots/menu_console_4.png
12:08 < esden> http://www.esden.net/desktops/shots/menu_console_5.png
12:08 * -> esden loves framebuffer ;-)
12:09 < esden> [anders]: your trash is really BIG ;-)
12:09 < Freak> hehehe
12:10 * -> esden want's alpha blending in X !!! >_<
12:10 < Freak> uhhm
12:11 < esden> full featured alpha blending not emulation of this effect
12:11 < Freak> I can download the latest snapshot, compile it on my faster (non-ROCK) box and burn the iso to install it on my other box, right?
12:12 < esden> Freak: yes ... if you get the other non rock box to compile rock ... all should be fine
12:12 < esden> I mean all will be fine
12:12 < Freak> can I precompile it here?
12:12 < Freak> because this is 800mhz and the other box is.. 333 iirc
12:12 < Freak> yeah, 333mhz
12:13 < esden> yes you can procompile it on the 800mhz
12:13 * -> esden would like to see a complete anyncron cpu ... that must be fsckng fast 
12:13 < Freak> mmkay thanks :)
12:14 < esden> Freak: denada
12:15 < tsa> anyncron?
12:16 < [anders]> esden: framebuffers are okay, but I like having several windows side by side to compare things..
12:16 < thaly^ROCKlinux> [anders]: screen
12:16 < [anders]> and the theme used in my Nautilus is the ScalableGorilla theme.. using svg gfx.. :)
12:17 < [anders]> thaly^ROCKlinux: 'side by side'
12:17 < thaly^ROCKlinux> I *love* framebuffer with my matrix patch
12:17 < tsa> hehe
12:17 < tsa> esden: what's anyncron?
12:18 < [anders]> asynchronus he must mean..
12:18 < tsa> aaah!
12:18 < tsa> been there, done that.
12:18 < tsa> http://www.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de/ags/ti/lehre/PSALM/
12:18 < tsa> (german, sorry)
12:18 < esden> [anders]: dualhead is your friend ;-)
12:19 < esden> [anders]: but I also use X because I still not have mozilla running on framebuffer 
12:19 < esden> or better the gecko engine ... that would be enough
12:19 < Freak> esden: should I make it a generic or a dROCK-build? it's my first build and .. actually I wanna have gnome2, too ;)
12:20 < Freak> that's all it should be there for :)
12:20 < esden> 1.7 ... you are really sure you want to compile the development vorsion ...
12:20 < [anders]> hmm.. I'd like accelerated fb and to be able to use X apps on that w/o having to use XFree86 as such.. should be a lot faster..
12:21 < esden> Freak: it is not installable yet ... you can install it by hand but there are no bootable CD's yet
12:21 < esden> afaik
12:21 < Freak> esden: hmm
12:21 < Freak> esden: the destination box is in my LAN, can't I just.. no of course I cant..
12:21 * [anders] have built 1.5.18-Gnome2 and have all the install packages but needs to sort out the install disks problem..
12:21 < esden> [anders]: http://www.directfb.org/
12:22 < Freak> mnkay..
12:22 < Freak> btw: ./scripts/Create-PkgList: line 104: gawk: command not found
12:22 < [anders]> esden: not quite production level yet though, is it?
12:22 < Freak> that's nothing to worry about, huh ;)
12:22 < esden> Freak: you can create a bootdisk with net support and nfs support
12:22 < thaly^ROCKlinux> [anders]: yes ... fb is crawling
12:22 < esden> then you can install the remote box
12:23 < Freak> esden: so I could build 1.7 here and then transfer it to the destination box?
12:23 < esden> [anders]: I do not know their current status ...
12:23 < [anders]> thaly^ROCKlinux: any idea when fully accelerated fb will be avialable?
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12:23 < esden> Freak: you could if you create the install/bootdisk by hand ...
12:23 < Freak> is that hard?
12:23 < thaly^gradnma> [anders]: mh ... no idea must research .. but it'd be interesting, I'll do it later when i finished the install menu
12:23 < thaly^gradnma> cya
12:24 < esden> Freak: or plug the disk of the other machine in the 800mhz machine ... mount the partition and tar xfvI the packages on it
12:24 < Freak> no that would mean losing my three weeks of uptime heh ;)
12:24 < Freak> I know.. uptime is obsolete ;)
12:24 < Freak> ok ..
12:24 < Freak> so I'll just go and get the stable.
12:25 < esden> Freak: but all this is the hard way to get rock ... you could also get 1.5.x tree and compile this ...
12:25 < Freak> heh ;)
12:25 < Freak> but I want bleeding edge easy! ;)
12:25 < esden> Freak: 1.5 the lame way to get rock ... 1.7 the l33t way to get rock ;-)
12:25 < Freak> http://www.rocklinux.org/releases/rock-src-1.5.12.tar.bz2 -> is that the latest?
12:25 < Freak> hrhr
12:26 < Freak> I mean.. just tell me which one to take
12:26 < [anders]> esden: oh behave.. ;-)
12:26 < esden> Freak: both trees are bleeding edge ... 1.5 is even more bleeding edge ... at least in package numbers
12:26 < Freak> hmmm :)
12:27 < esden> 1.7 is technologically more advanced ... but to get rock running you will not nesseserily need this ...
12:27 < esden> [anders]: *GG*
12:27 < Freak> so should I download this 1.5.12?
12:27 < esden> Freak: no ... wait
12:28 * [anders] needs to fix the install-disks scripts.. 
12:28 < [anders]> Freak: there is a 1.5.18 available
12:28 < Freak> gimme that ;)
12:28 < esden> Freak: http://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.18/rock-src-1.5.18.tar.bz2
12:28 < Freak> sourceforge?
12:28 < Freak> ah
12:28 < [anders]> 1.5.18 proper do not have Gnome2
12:29 < Freak> but me wants it
12:29 < esden> Freak: you can also get the iso directly ... : http://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.18/rock-ia32-i586-base+opt-1.5.18.iso
12:29 < Freak> heh
12:29 < [anders]> Mike1, me and a few others are working on porting Gnome2 into it..
12:29 < Freak> does it have gnome2?`
12:29 < Freak> [anders]: your packages working yet?
12:29 < esden> Freak: not this tree ... there is an other tree containing gnome2
12:29 < [anders]> Freak: no released working ROCK release have Gnome2 yet..
12:30 < esden> [anders]: besides drock I think
12:30 < [anders]> Freak: it builds, but fails on the install disks part.. I can have an installable ISO for i686 in a few hours..
12:30 < Freak> [anders]: that would be cool
12:30 < esden> [anders]: coool !
12:30 < [anders]> esden: does dRock have a working GNome2 installation? :)
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12:31 < esden> [anders]: I am not sure but I think so ...
12:31 < Freak> so should I get dRock instead?
12:31 < esden> [anders]: I do not know drock and I do not use it
12:31 < esden> I only use pure rock ;-)
12:31 < [anders]> now, I am not saying I have the ideal solution in packages and so on, but the base of Gnome 2.0.1 is there and it builds. Some Gnome 1.4 stuff is there to allow backwards compatibility..
12:31 < [anders]> Freak: you get what you want to use.. :)
12:32 < Freak> but I dunno the differences!
12:32 < [anders]> dRock have more stuff in it, but is a little bit different to plain ROCK..
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12:33 < Freak> I don't need more stuff, I need gnome2 ;)
12:34 < [anders]> Freak: Then you need to be patient.. ;-)
12:34 < esden> I think that I fix my lcd ... and then write the lcd plugin for 1.7 ;-)
12:34 < Freak> heh
12:34 < Freak> [anders]: so I wait till your iso's done, right?
12:35 < [anders]> Freak: Gnome2 is very bleeding edge.. I have only built it, not tested the results of the build.. :)
12:35 < [anders]> my Gnome2 install was done outside of ROCK, by hand and by trial and error..
12:35 < [anders]> but it works for me.. ;-)
12:36 < [anders]> If I can get the ISO done, you can try it out if you wish.. :)
12:36 < Freak> I do :)
12:36 < Freak> I mean will
12:36 < Freak> +I
12:36 < esden> here is the lcd of huebi ;-) : http://fake.by-infonet.de/pics/hacking/devmeeting-02/12.jpg
12:37 < Freak> .oO(I mean I will)
12:37 < Freak> .oO(need sleep?!)
12:38 < Freak> esden: huh when was that?
12:41 < esden> it was last weekend at clifford in vienna
12:42 < esden> first rock developers meeting
12:43 < Freak> so that's owl?
12:44 < Freak> on 3, 4 and 15
12:44 < esden> yes
12:44 < Freak> doesnt even look like a geek girl haha ;)
12:45 < tsa> hehe
12:45 < tsa> yeah
12:46 < [anders]> barf!! pcmcia modules doesn't work..
12:46 < esden> [anders]: fix it please !!! *beg*
12:47 < [anders]> esden: the problem is in the way the linux.tar.bz2 is created.. it doesn't include /lib/modules/.....blah
12:48 < [anders]> this is what rxr was going to fix iirc..
12:48 < tsa> hm..
12:48 < tsa> we need pretty chix in here.
12:49 < Freak> lol
12:49 < tsa> we should start a chicks-for#rockers-Project. any volunteers?
12:50 < tsa> buy one, get one for free. ;)
12:50 < Freak> lol
12:50 < tsa> anyone knows pretty women with a surname that is _not_ Jpeg?
12:54 < Freak> I didnt know there were any
12:55 < tsa> hm...
12:58 < tomik_> tsa: :))))))
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13:03 < thaly^gradnma> re
13:03 -!- thaly^gradnma is now known as thalerim
13:06 < [anders]> Hmmm... /me needs to figure out why the kernel package ends up having *no* modules installed at all..
13:16 < [anders]> right.. some hacking of linux.conf required to debug this.. and the 2.4.18-rc4 junk is no longer required as we are using 2.4.19
13:16 < [anders]> Freak: if I can get the modules built and end up in the linux.tar.bz2, I can generate an ISO for you to download..
13:17 < Freak> great :)
13:17 < Freak> but take your time
13:17 < Freak> ;)#
13:20 < [anders]> Well, I would sort of like this to work.. ;-)
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13:23 < holyolli> moin
13:24 < tsa> tag holyolli
13:24 < holyolli> huhu tsa
13:31 < [anders]> sussed it.. :)
13:31 < [anders]> moin holyolli
13:32 < [anders]> linux.tar.bz2 now contains the modules in lib/modules/2.4.19/
13:32 < holyolli> hi anders
13:33 < Freak> [anders]: so you build the cd now?
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13:39 < holyolli> hi clifford_away
13:40 < [anders]> Freak: it is building the rock-debug package now.. I will generate an ISO as soon as I can
13:41 < Freak> yea ok
13:42 < Freak> I will be gone from 15:30 to about 17/18 cet .. so it would be cool if you could just send me a msg when you're done :)
13:42 < thalerim> clifford_away: still away?
13:42 < clifford_away> no.
13:43 -!- clifford_away is now known as clifford
13:43 < tsa> h clifford
13:43 < tsa> +i
13:43 < thalerim> clifford: being working on the install menu, take a look: http://www.esden.net/desktops/shots/menu_console_4.png
13:43 < clifford> tsa: just applied your patches.
13:43 < tsa> clifford: ok, thanks.
13:44 < Freak> ok brb
13:44 < clifford> (hope rene didn't also apply the x11 [atches since that would cause troubles when re-syncing ... ;-)
13:45 < clifford> thalerim: why do you use the kernel scheduler as background?
13:45 < [anders]> Freak: I will let you know.. it will show up on http://62.3.122.161:8080/ sometime later today..
13:46 < thalerim> clifford: no idea why, just for fun ... I'll send today or tomorrow the diffs through the list, you can use whatever you think to be adequate
13:46 < [anders]> Freak: I have not yet tested this, so I have NO idea of the size of the ISO.. it might not fit on a 72min CD-R...
13:47 < clifford> this will only be for interest to the 1.5/1.6 people. In 1.7 we will have a entirely new shell-scripted install tool using dialog as menu frontend.
13:48 < thalerim> lol ... that should be told me
13:49 < [anders]> clifford: nice.. will it use the dependency settings of packages as well? :)
13:49 < thalerim> clifford: apropos dialog, why do you use the old one?
13:49 < clifford> .. it's not fix yet. I will write a prototype within the next weeks.
13:49 < clifford> 0.9b-20020519 is the latest version I was ablo to find ..
13:50 < thalerim> hehe, there'are already two others
13:51 < thalerim> http://invisible-island.net/dialog/CHANGES
13:51 < thalerim> on which I did contribute
13:52 < thalerim> clifford: I am quite familiar to this dialog ... If you need help, call me
13:52 < clifford> yes: why are there no version numbers???
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13:52 < thalerim> mh?
13:53 < clifford> it's just "dialog.tar.gz
13:54 < thalerim> it's a symlink to the most recent snapshot
13:54 < thalerim> mom
13:54 < clifford> aha! I have it already ..
13:55 < thalerim> ftp://invisible-island.net/dialog/dialog-0.9b-20020814.tgz
13:55 < clifford> dickey should use version numbers on the homepage ...
13:55 < thalerim> i prefer ftp anyway ;-)
13:56 < esden> hi clifford !
13:56 < clifford> hi esden. we need to talk about dietlibc.
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13:57 < esden> yes sure
13:59 < esden> you told me in vienna that you would like to include in package.conf an option to let the packet compile with dietlibc ... is that right ?
13:59 < esden> or do you want to do it in an other way
13:59 < esden> ?
13:59 < clifford> thalerim: I added the following note to dialog.desc:
13:59 < clifford> [T] Dialog is initally written by Savio Lam and various branches do exist
13:59 < clifford> [T] (e.g. "lxdialog" which is used for a linux kernel "make menuconfig").
13:59 < clifford> [T] This is the branch maintained by Thomas Dickey.
13:59 < clifford> is that correct?
14:00 < esden> I do not know if I like this idea ... because it is producing a lot of redundant code ...
14:00 < clifford> esden: why?
14:01 < clifford> where?
14:01 < esden> when you include this logic in the package.conf files ...
14:02 < clifford> I don't think that you got my idea right.
14:02 < thalerim> clifford: no not fully correct. Someone began a new branch: cdialog - Dickey took over the maintaining ... See in the "Authors" part of the Manpage
14:02 < esden> hmm ... you had an idea in vienno how to solve the problem with dietlibc ... right ? 
14:02 < clifford> I want to move we stuff we currently have in target/dietlibc to package/base/dietlibc
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14:03 < clifford> Dietlibc would add a config option like "building all packages which do support dietlibc with dietlibc" and "disable all packages which do not support dietlibc".
14:03 < clifford> The dietlibc target would simply preset this options - as e.g. the install disk would also do.
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14:04 < owl> hi
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14:04 < [anders]> Freak: uhm.. I hope you are going to install this on a i686 arch box..
14:04 < [anders]> moin owl
14:04 < clifford> Maybe we don't even need an extra "dietlibc target" in this case since that could easily be configured thru the generic target.
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14:05 < clifford> thalerim: what description text would you suggest instead? (regarding the history of dialog)
14:05 < esden> hmm ... ok ... but there are patches to the packages ... that are only applied to them when you comple them with dietlibc ...
14:05 < esden> I think I not really get the point ...
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14:05 < _NULL> re
14:05 < esden> hi _NULL 
14:05 < _NULL> hi esden
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14:06 < clifford> this patches are stored as package/base/dietlibc/*.diff (not *.patch) and are added to the patch file list of those packages by package/base/dietlibc/parse-config
14:06 < clifford> (as it's done now in the target)
14:06 < esden> clifford: ohh ... yes ... 
14:06 < esden> cool ... I like this idea ...
14:07 < clifford> great. do you send me a patch or should I simply do it?
14:07 < esden> clifford: if you like to do it ... do it ... I would need probably lot of time to get it working ... 
14:08 < esden> clifford: but I would like to still have the dietilbc target there
14:08 < clifford> I don't want to steal you the expirience and fun of doing it .. ;-)
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14:08 < esden> marked as experimental
14:08 < clifford> no problem.
14:08 < esden> ok ... I will do it then
14:09 < esden> I hope I get it running ... 
14:09 < clifford> that is a problem - we have nothing implemented for marking config options as experimental
14:09 < esden> that is something you could do ;-)
14:09 < _NULL> hi clifford
14:10 < clifford> we could simple write "(EXPERIMENTAL)" to the end of the option. I think that should be enought ...  ;-)
14:10 < esden> hmm ... currently yes ... but lateron when we have more of such options we need a switch for it 
14:11 < [anders]> rock-ia32-i686-base+opt-1.5.18-Gnome2.iso is available from http://62.3.122.161:8080/  and the ISO is about 540MB in size.
14:11 < clifford> Hi _NULL. Since NULL does not exist in a real world you are just an illusion or at least only able to "non-exist" in a virtual world.
14:11 < [anders]> Untested so far, but if anyone wants to give it a go, feel free to.. DL speed is not huge, so pulling the image will take a while..
14:11 * clifford needs more jolt cola ...
14:12 < blindcoder> moin everyone
14:12 < [anders]> moin blindcoder
14:12 < esden> clifford: we need to make the rockdev03 longer ... It was great but bit short ;-)
14:12 < esden> hi blindcoder 
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14:12 < thalerim> clifford: something like "The originial author of Dialog was Savio Lam <lam836@cs.cuhk.hk>, at anytime Pako <demarco_p@abramo.it> branched this version to his own "cdialog"; currently Thomas E Dickey <dickey@herndon4.his.com> takes the job over to care about dialog, but the other persons are still contributing patches from time to time"
14:12 < _NULL> clifford: or i'm just an owl... ;)
14:12 < clifford> esden: yes. you are absolutely right.
14:12 < _NULL> hi blindcoder
14:12 < [anders]> esden: the lack of modules in the linux.tar.bz2 was fixed by commenting out a few lines in the linux.conf.. (At least I think that is what solved the problem..)
14:13 < esden> [anders]: ohh ... ok ... send a patch to huebi please
14:13 < [anders]> esden: in any case, the build completed and I made an ISO..
14:13 < [anders]> esden: ok.. :)
14:13 < thalerim> so I'll dear about my social contact, see you later, guys (and owl)
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14:14 * [anders] has now done the good deed of the day so should now concentrate on work..
14:14 < esden> please someone mirror [anders] iso on a fast connection ... for example on world
14:15 < esden> or iso.rocklinux.de
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14:18 < esden> I love my sound system here !!! 
14:19 < esden> and my parents are not here ... that is great ... *jumparound*
14:19 < esden> my whole room is jumping yeppiiii
14:19 < blindcoder> hehe
14:19 < esden> blindcoder: would you like to come by ?
14:19 < blindcoder> no time
14:20 < blindcoder> drachi comes round at 1600 and I have to clean my car
14:20 < esden> toll 
14:20 < blindcoder> gomen
14:20 < blindcoder> and I need to pack...
14:20 < esden> verraeter
14:20 * [anders] thinks this is nice stats, uptime 21 days 16:19, Rcv 14GB, Xmt 19GB
14:21 < esden> frauenversteher ;-)
14:21 < [anders]> the counter on eth0 seems to wrap now and then.. :)
14:21 < blindcoder> nix da ich muss ihr den Hack Sign OST kopieren
14:21 < blindcoder> [anders]: you should start worrying if it's in the negatives
14:21 < esden> aha ... ich habe schon gedacht du willst was anderes mit ihr anstellen ;-)
14:22 < blindcoder> *hits esden around with a large spiked club*
14:22 < esden> ahh ... that is great ... I want more
14:22 < esden> ;-)
14:24 < blindcoder> okay, I'm off again
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14:27 < clifford> esden: are the output hooks ok as they are ?
14:27 < rolla> re all
14:30 < rolla> [anders] : you around ?
14:33 < [anders]> rolla: somwhat
14:33 < [anders]> somewhat even.. :)
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14:40 < rolla> :) I am having trouble with old-gnome-vfs
14:40 < [anders]> rolla: what type of problems? :)
14:40 < rolla> onfigure: error: Could not find the gnomeConf.sh file that is gener ..
14:40 < rolla> /var/adm/logs/3-old-gnome-vfs.out -> 3-old-gnome-vfs.err
14:41 < [anders]> rolla: gnome-libs must be built before old-gnome-vfs..
14:41 < [anders]> I have fixed this in my tree but I think you got your version before I got that fix in..
14:42 < rolla> nod
14:42 < [anders]> I need to sync back to Mike1 as well.. (lots to do now.. but have the i686 binary ISO on the web now..)
14:42 < rolla> cool
14:43 * [anders] going afk, for URL, do '/whois [anders]' for the URL
14:50 < esden> clifford: they are ok ... but I have not yet started to implement the lcd stuff there I will need some more hooks ... like the count how many packages are in the current stage and how many errors aso ...
14:50 < esden> but I will implement them by myself ... that is ok ...
14:50 < esden> ok ... I go to blindcoder cu l8er
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15:01 < term_emu> hoi
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15:13 < _NULL> re
15:22 < tsa> trilluser@ ?
15:22 < _NULL> aeh?
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15:22 < _NULL> ned wirklich
15:23 < _NULL> eigentlich momentan mirc
15:23 < _NULL> und gestern x-chat...
15:23 < _NULL> strange
15:23 < _NULL> moment. ich reconnecte mal
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15:24 < _NULL> re
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15:25 < tsa> ...
15:25 < _NULL> *confused*
15:26 < tsa> http://fake.by-infonet.de/pics/hacking/devmeeting-02/03.jpg <-- _NULL
15:26 * _NULL is going to kill fake and tsa!!!
15:27 < tsa> sure..
15:27 < tsa> you're planning this since weeks..
15:28 < _NULL> hm. tomorrow i will kill fake.
15:28 < tsa> why tomorrow?
15:28 < _NULL> and if i'll see you next time, you'll be killed by me too
15:28 < _NULL> cuz he will give me a isdn-card tomorrow
15:29 < tsa> ...ah...i already thought you were meeting to spend a night together *evilgrin*
15:29 < tsa> c'mon, kill me! ;-)
15:29 < _NULL> eh!!!!!
15:32 < [anders]> tsa: so who is in pic2 and in pic5 ?
15:32 < tsa> 2 is clifford.
15:32 < tsa> 5 is esden
15:32 < [anders]> and pic 6 ?
15:33 < tsa> huebi
15:33 < [anders]> kewl.. :) I thought pic 1+2 might be clifford, didn't know any of the others.. :)
15:33 < [anders]> tsa: so where's the pic of you then? :)
15:34 < [anders]> rolla: how much have you managed to DL so far then? :)
15:34 < _NULL> [anders]: tsa was too lazy to go to the dev-meeting
15:34 < tsa> oh, i wasn't in vienna at that time..
15:34 < [anders]> _NULL: you think I was to lazy as well? :)
15:35 < _NULL> [anders]: yep ;P
15:35 * tsa wonders why fake made so many pictures with owl..
15:35 < [anders]> tsa: no, but you might have pics stashed somewhere else.. :)
15:35 < [anders]> _NULL: So the fact I live just a little bit further away didn't come in to play at all? ;-)
15:35 < tsa> http://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/gallery/
15:36 < _NULL> [anders]: i was just kiddin'
15:36 < rolla> [anders] : 12% :(
15:36 < tsa> _NULL: is there anything between you and fake you might want to tell us about? *G*
15:36 < _NULL> tsa: NOOOOO!
15:37 < tsa> .oO( what exactly do women mean when saying "no"? it was "yes", wasn't it? )
15:37 * _NULL hits tsa!
15:39 * tsa slaps _NULL with a big UN*X manual...ouch, that hurts!
15:40 < [anders]> _NULL: I know.. :)
15:40 < [anders]> rolla: it'll get there.. it's a slow link even though it is ADSL..
15:41 < _NULL> [anders]: ADSL == slow???? try isdn, then you know, what slow means... ;P
15:42 < rolla> _NULL: ADSL is slow
15:43 < _NULL> hm.
15:45 < [anders]> _NULL: even though ADSL is faster than ISDN and modem, it is still much slower than a T1
15:46 < _NULL> [anders]: yeah. but i really would be happy, if i would have ADSL...
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15:57 < [anders]> _NULL: is it not available in your area then?
15:58 < [anders]> tsa: short hair.. :)
15:58 < _NULL> [anders]: it isn't. here you could get TDSL, but not in my town.
15:58 < [anders]> _NULL: it'll get there.. eventually..
15:59 < _NULL> hm
16:16 < tsa> ..in ten years.
16:16 < _NULL> no. telekom means "even not in 200 years"
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16:24 < tsa> hi rxr
16:24 < rxr> hi tsa
16:24 < _NULL> moin rxr
16:25 < rxr> but I'm online for half a day now ;-) ...
16:26 < SMP> ahh, Rene
16:27 < rxr> hi SMP!
16:28 < SMP> hmmm
16:29 < Freak> <[anders]> Freak: uhm.. I hope you are going to install this on a i686 arch box.. -- certainly
16:31 < SMP> rxr: do you still want to know why that 'copyright crap' appeared in each and every file?
16:32 < _NULL> hi SMP
16:32 < [anders]> Freak: http://62.3.122.161:8080/
16:32 < rxr> SMP: sure!
16:32 < [anders]> Freak: rolla is downloading as well, so you'll have to share the bandwidth..
16:33 < Freak> dang
16:33 < Freak> :)
16:33 < SMP> rxr: I took a look at the packman package manager from Arch Linux at the meeting and I noticed that they had taken significant amounts of code from ROCK Linux scripts into theirs
16:34 < tsa> hehe
16:34 < Freak> [anders]: dang get yourself t3 or something ;)
16:35 < SMP> rxr: without giving credit. Clifford concluded that to be given credit, there should be such a header in each and every file
16:36 < SMP> rxr: thus spake Clifford and wrote a tool to insert and modify it automagically all around the sources
16:36 * clifford reading scrollback
16:37 < clifford> aha.
16:38 < clifford> the script which generates the copyleft notives is scripts/Create-CopyPatch
16:38 < clifford> The last snapshot contains this additional note:
16:38 < clifford> This copyright note is auto-generated by ./scripts/Create-CopyPatch.
16:38 < clifford> Please add additional copyright information _after_ the line containing
16:38 < clifford> the ROCK-COPYRIGHT-NOTE-END tag. Otherwise it might get removed by
16:38 < clifford> the ./scripts/Create-CopyPatch script. Do not edit this copyright text!
16:47 < rxr> clifford: ok - seems resonable - I have not yet noticed other copy from ROCK ...
16:49 < clifford> Arch linux had in a build script multiple pages of 1:1 copies from our sources.
16:49 < rxr> clifford: urgs.
16:50 < clifford> Which is ok (since we are open source) but they had no note about ROCK.
16:51 < rxr> clifford: do they have now?
16:53 < clifford> i don't think so - I didn't sent them a mail.
16:57 < Freak> [anders]: is that ip permanent?
16:59 < [anders]> Freak: sure is.. :)
16:59 < Freak> heh
16:59 < Freak> hey it seems to be a private account so .. that's not so sure.
16:59 < [anders]> Freak: private account??
16:59 < Freak> it's pretty unusual to have a permanent ip for private access ;)
17:00 < Freak> private
17:00 < Freak> dangit
17:00 < Freak> uhhhm
17:00 < Freak> private is wrong word..
17:00 < Freak> searching for right expression
17:00 < [anders]> Heh, I have a block of 8 static IP's with my ADSL account.. :)
17:00 < Freak> 0 results returned
17:00 < Freak> grabbing dic
17:00 < [anders]> Freak: static
17:01 < [anders]> Freak: or did you mean 'non-commercial' ?
17:01 < Freak> ok let's say .. in germany it's usual to have ..
17:01 < Freak> right
17:02 < Freak> to have .. uhm dynamic ips from dialups.
17:02 < Freak> I just guessed you had a non-commercial dialup-account and therefore thought it was dynamic
17:03 < [anders]> Freak: no, I have an ADSL subscription with static IP addresses.
17:03 < Freak> it's expensive to get that in germany
17:04 < Freak> (its cheaper in bigger cities I guess)
17:04 < tsa> cu later.
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17:04 < [anders]> 30/month here in UK, 512kbit down and 256kbit up
17:04 < Freak> uh
17:04 < Freak> I pay ~40eur/month for 768/128
17:05 < [anders]> availability depends on wether the telephone exchange has been upgraded to cope with it or not. 50:1 contention ratio
17:05 < Freak> same here
17:05 < [anders]> Freak: so you have better DL speed, but worse UL speed than me..
17:05 < Freak> you got it ;)
17:05 < [anders]> And only a little bit cheaper..
17:06 * [anders] wants a T1.. 1.5Mbit each way, always on, no contention..
17:06 < Freak> static ip would be around 60 I guess
17:06 < Freak> but I don't quite remember.
17:06 < [anders]> Freak: worth it though..
17:06 < Freak> nah
17:06 < Freak> dhis does a good job
17:14 < rxr> clifford: your setup of your computers and keyboards is cool ;-)!
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17:22 < SMP> download.rocklinux.de will be unavailable starting midnight
17:22 < SMP> until further notice
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17:25 < clifford> rxr: did you apply the KOffice 1.2-rc1 update patch from Sirkull <no-one@phreaker.net> ?
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17:36 < owl> re
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17:39 < rxr> clifford: not yet. I did this in dRock - and it is trival. Feel free to apply it ...
17:39 < rxr> I start a build tomorrow. Patches will follow ...
17:40 * rxr away
17:40 < rxr> cu
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17:44 < thalerim> re
17:48 < [anders]> moin thalerim
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18:28 < clifford> SMP: are you listening?
18:28 * clifford has a problem with cdb ..
18:29 < SMP> sort of
18:29 < clifford> great.
18:29 < clifford> cdb_make_addbegin needs already the datalenght as parameter.
18:30 < clifford> this is bad because that means I would have to store the tar.bz2 first as temp file on the disk ..
18:31 < clifford> I liked to popen tar and write the stuff directly to the cdb (which is possible, if I do know the total lenght of the tar.bz2 file)
18:31 < clifford> any ideas?
18:32 < SMP> I think that writing the tar.bz2 to a file is the best solution
18:32 < clifford> .. but it's not very nice.
18:32 < SMP> the alternative it to do the tar-ing twice :>
18:32 < clifford> I don't see why cdb needs that information already here ..
18:33 < SMP> because the length of a record is stored before the record
18:34 < clifford> hm.... pls wait a sec.
18:34 < SMP> and since cdb can create databases that don not fit into memory..
18:36 < clifford> yes, yes. but doesn't need to seek the cdb lib into the file anyways for creating the hash??
18:36 < clifford> oh god! (please overread the gramar in my messages as usual ;-)
18:36 < SMP> ;}
18:37 < SMP> I don't know how exactly that is implemented
18:38 < clifford> ok. I'll change the 'mine' command line for creating an archive file to:
18:38 < clifford> mine -C var-adm-dir package-tar-bz2 package-name gem-file
18:39 < clifford> (If creating a seperate tar.bz2 file is needed anyways I prefer doing that outside 'mine')
18:40 < SMP> in theory you don't even need any cdbmake functions inside mine ;>
18:40 < SMP> you could just popen cdbmake
18:41 < clifford> no. cdbmake e.g. creates a new key whenever a newline is passed to it.
18:42 < clifford> .. great for e.g. creating email-address databases but not good if you want to store binary data.
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18:44 < SMP> clifford: that's not true
18:44 < SMP> "key and data may contain any characters, including colons, dashes, newlines, and nulls."
18:45 < clifford> oh yes. key and data lenght are passed as part of the input. you are right.
18:46 < clifford> however - the cdb api isn't that hard and it might be even more code to convert the datastream than simply creating the file directly.
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18:48 < SMP> clifford: yes, mine should rely on as few external tools as possible
18:49 < clifford> .. also this is a good example for getting used to the cdb api.
18:49 < clifford> (it's much easier to create the gem files than working with them)
18:50 < clifford> .. also it's hard to test the rest if one can't create gem files ;-)
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19:08 < clifford> SMP: Do we store keys and text data with or without a trailing \0 ??
19:08 < clifford> (I'd say without)
19:09 < SMP> without of course
19:13 < clifford> good. I'll add that to the binary documentation
19:20 < SMP> oh, do we have a plan on how to make tar do atomic renames instead of just overwriting files? ;)
19:20 < clifford> hmmm - no. not yet.
19:21 < clifford> adding a non-standard option ??
19:21 < SMP> packman used libtar to step though the archive
19:21 < SMP> and could to backups and renames this way
19:22 < clifford> no - we need to use libtar anyways.
19:22 < SMP> good, so now we have a plan ;)
19:22 < clifford> But I'll add that when I'm finished with the rest.
19:23 < SMP> but libtar can't handle bzip2 compressed archives AFAIK
19:23 < clifford> (I need to step thru the archive because I also need to check the md5sums of already installed files and not overwrite them if they have been modified
19:24 < clifford> as soon as libtar can read from an open filedescriptor I can run bunzip2 and a child proc of mine in a pipe ..
19:24 < clifford> s/soon/long/ ..
19:24 < clifford> ('mine' is a very confusing name, btw. but I like it  ;-)
19:25 < SMP> ;-)
19:25 < SMP> this package manager is mine, not your's! ;>
19:27 < clifford> hmmm .. this cdb.a only contains a small subset of the required object files.
19:27 < SMP> you also need cdbmake.a
19:28 < clifford> no.
19:28 < clifford> cdbmake.c is the application cdbmake, there is no cdmkae.a
19:28 < clifford> cdb_make.o is part of cdb.a
19:28 < clifford> but I also need alloc.a buffer.a byte.a and unix.a
19:29 < SMP> I see. I only used the old 0.55 interface
19:29 < SMP> clifford: hold on a second
19:29 < clifford> well - "interface" is good. there is almsot no documentation ..
19:31 < thalerim> re all
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19:36 < thaly^menu> clifford: the structure of the packages' files are *always* the same? (aside the description which is different, of course)
19:37 < clifford> thaly^menu: yes. why do you ask?
19:37 < thaly^menu> then the higlighting for the menu is almost ready
19:37 < thaly^menu> +h
19:37 < thaly^menu> you will see, just want to be sure
19:38 < clifford> vi Makefile
19:38 < clifford> .. oups .
19:42 < praenti> hi
19:42 < praenti> huebi: here?
19:44 < clifford> Aaaaarg! this CDB is crap!
19:46 < thaly^menu> clifford: line four of the package description, is something like "Build on $(uname -a)" - could you change it in "Build on: $(uname -a)" ?
19:47 < clifford> why? do you use the colon as seperator?
19:47 < thaly^menu> yup
19:48 < clifford> thaly^menu: no problem. but why do you need to evaluate this line?
19:49 < clifford> :q
19:49 < thaly^menu> hehe
19:49 * clifford needs a seperate keyboard for irc ..
19:49 < thaly^menu> why?
19:50 < thaly^menu> (me ircs on another PC :-D)
19:50 < thaly^menu> so i must never leave my vim
19:51 < clifford> what do you need the 'Build on' info for?
19:52 < thaly^menu> damn thing ... I recognized i could have done it easier ... urgs ... must rewrite
19:52 < thaly^menu> clifford: you needn't, sorry i know a better way now
19:52 < clifford> ok.
19:54 < thaly^menu> oh
19:56 < thaly^menu> *g* there's only one problem, i thought of just "overreading" the prefixes (like "Package Name and Version"): sscanf(cur_line, "Package Name and Version:%s", tmp);
19:56 < thaly^menu> the problem is that %s ends on spaces
19:56 < thaly^menu> any idea?
19:58 < thaly^menu> i have one :-)
20:10 < thaly^menu> I've just written my own function ;-)
20:24 < rolla> gcc 3.2 is now out :)
20:24 < huebi> fake: WAKE UP!
20:24 < huebi> re btw
20:24 < rolla> yeah I already tried him
20:24 < praenti> hi huebi
20:24 < huebi> hi rolla
20:25 < huebi> hi praenti
20:25 < praenti> huebi: can you say me how i can delete a extension from your cvs
20:25 < _NULL> hi huebi
20:25 < praenti> cvs remove ...
20:25 < praenti> broadcast doesnt exist anymore ;-)
20:25 < huebi> praenti: cd ext-config
20:26 < praenti> ok
20:26 < huebi> praenti: cd <package>
20:26 < huebi> rm <package>.ext
20:26 < huebi> cvs rm <package>.ext
20:27 < huebi> cvs ci -m "I removed the package because ....."
20:27 < huebi> praenti: which package?
20:27 < huebi> praenti: axo
20:28 < huebi> praenti: broadcast is cool. Perhaps we just need an other download location/mirror
20:30 < praenti> huebi: there is a new package called cinelerra
20:30 < praenti> http://heroines.sourceforge.net/bcast2000.php3
20:30 < huebi> praenti: did you test it?
20:31 < praenti> huebi: no. i need to write the extension first. ok i'll let it in the respository until i have the new ext
20:31 < huebi> great
20:31 < praenti> huebi: have you tested the abiword ext already?
20:32 < huebi> praenti: no, I didn't
20:33 < praenti> huebi: another thing *hope that i'm not going on your nerves* is cfengine. we have a new version
20:33 < praenti> the problem is that in the makefile i have a line above the patch which is dynamic. so this patch will not work in the build
20:34 < praenti> how can i do the patch?
20:34 < praenti> huebi: i post the complete patch in the #aol
20:34 < huebi> ok
20:59 < SMP> repost:
20:59 < SMP> 17:22| < SMP> download.rocklinux.de will be unavailable starting midnight
20:59 < SMP> 17:22| < SMP> until further notice
21:01 < huebi> SMP: This meens world is wech...
21:02 < SMP> no, just download.rocklinux.de
21:02 < huebi> SMP: ok thanks.
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21:05 < huebi> SMP: When do you think you can manage to setup the mailinglist for the mails out of cvs?
21:05 < SMP> I though about that today
21:05 < SMP> maybe during the weekend
21:05 < chrisime_> huebi: hi
21:06 < chrisime_> huebi: ahnung von sendmail/postfix?
21:06 < huebi> SMP: It would be great till next week.
21:06 < huebi> chrisime_: Noe.
21:09 < chrisime_> habs so halbwegs, aber sendmail suckt
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21:21 < esden> re hi all
21:22 < _NULL> tach esden
21:22 < huebi> huhu esden
21:23 < esden> muhh huebi 
21:23 < esden> hi owl
21:24 < _NULL> esden: not owl, NULL
21:29 < rolla> NULL
21:30 < praenti> hi esden
21:32 < esden> hi praenti 
21:32 < esden> hi rolla 
21:32 < esden> huebi: have you seen the changes of thaly^menu ?
21:32 < huebi> esden: no, I didn't
21:33 < esden> http://www.esden.net/desktops/shots/menu_console_[12345].png
21:34 < chrisime_> hoi esden
21:34 < chrisime_> is there any difference: owl <-> NULL
21:34 < esden> hi chrisime_ 
21:34 < chrisime_> sounds both like sh** erm strange
21:35 < thaly^menu> esden: I am completely rewriting the pkg-info part
21:35 < _NULL> chrisime_: yes. NULL = owl_depressed
21:35 < chrisime_> esden: openssh auf bsd hat nen boesen bug, weisst ja
21:35 < chrisime_> _NULL: bist du doch immer
21:35 < huebi> esden, thaly^menu: looks good. I must test it.
21:35 < chrisime_> _NULL: NULL : owl == 1: 10
21:36 < _NULL> chrisime_: das ist mir so richtig sch...(oen) egal...
21:36 < thaly^menu> huebi: later you'll get a patch
21:36 < esden> huebi: I like it very much ... hehe we need plugin support for it so we can make package selection on our lcd displays ;-)
21:37 * SMP shoots esden 
21:37 < _NULL> SMP: shoot me! not esden!!!
21:37 < chrisime_> esden: guckt kewl aus
21:37 < huebi> esden: That would be kool. But then we also should think about a LCD with keyboard as micro terminal.
21:37 < esden> I knew that SMP will do something nasty to me when I propose this ;-)
21:37 < esden> huebi: correct ;-)
21:37 < chrisime_> _NULL: the better
21:38 < SMP> _NULL: you should seek professional help. :-|
21:38 < huebi> thaly^menu: I like to have the same feeling as in 'make menuconfig' in the kernel.
21:38 < _NULL> SMP: yeah. a gun. or so
21:39 < esden> hmm ... i think someone is suicid here ...
21:39 < chrisime_> esden: std installer?
21:39 < esden> chrisime_: yes
21:39 < chrisime_> _NULL: hehe, mit waffen spielt man net
21:39 < huebi> _NULL: IMI Desert Eagle .50AE would be my favorite choice for a gun.
21:39 < chrisime_> esden: besser als der jetzige
21:39 < thaly^menu> huebi: mh? you do you mean? Tell it clifford, he said in 1.7 a completely new installation menu based on dialog will be created. - My updated version is for 1.6 only.
21:40 < thaly^menu> s,you,how,1
21:40 < _NULL> huebi: is it free for "U18"-people?
21:40 < huebi> thaly^menu: I mean just the feeling - keybindings - as in menuconfig.
21:40 < esden> chrisime_: das ist der jetzige ... mit veraenderten farben ... und mit einem zusaetzlichen befaehl ...
21:40 < chrisime_> haeh?
21:41 < chrisime_> esden: ich will kein bunti klicki
21:41 < chrisime_> die installation von rocklinux 1.5.18 war einfach
21:41 < chrisime_> aber fehlerhaft
21:41 < huebi> _NULL: It's the bigest pistol avaliable. Used by the Terminator and by the agents in "Matrix"
21:41 < thaly^menu> huebi: mh ... okay, i will change the keybindings a bit
21:41 < esden> chrisme where do you see a mouse there ?
21:41 < _NULL> chrisime_: fehlerhaft? was machst du falsch?
21:41 < esden> hehe ... well said _NULL 
21:42 < _NULL> huebi: sw33t. give it to mee! here, my address is...
21:42 < chrisime_> _NULL: na ganz dumm bin ich au net, v.a. wenn kernel panic ist und ich weiss was falsch ist
21:42 < chrisime_> in der lilo.conf!!!!!!!!
21:43 < chrisime_> *sigh*
21:43 < _NULL> chrisime_: tja. ich verkneife mir besser weitere bissige kommentare
21:44 < chrisime_> mach das,
21:44 < chrisime_> sonst kriegst noch die krise
21:44 < chrisime_> und das will ich net
21:45 < chrisime_> so instabile leute...
21:45 * chrisime_ already forgot how to install webmin
21:48 < esden> der starke chrisMAMPF meldet sich der aus programmierpraktikum rausgeworfen wird ;-)
22:00 < thaly^menu> to convert an integer to a string, is there a macro? Or will the implicit converting be sufficient?
22:03 < esden> strtoa or so
22:04 < thaly^menu> no, oyu mix that up with atoi
22:04 < thaly^menu> array to integer
22:05 < esden> ahh ... right
22:05 < thaly^menu> mh ... i must use sprintf then ... what is quite ugly
22:06 < _NULL> http://www.the-gothicworld.de/lyrics/167.htm
22:07 < _NULL> what a text!!! it's great!!!
22:08 < chrisMAMPF> esden: huh
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22:10 < esden> thaly^menu: yes 
22:10 < esden> thaly^menu: or you write your own conversion routine ;-)
22:11 < thaly^menu> how meant?
22:18 < esden> thaly^menu: write your own conversion routine ... it will be smaller then sprintf
22:21 < thaly^menu> esden: mh ... okay
22:21 < huebi> kool. I stopped the kernel boot with a 'break' on the U5 and continued it with 'go'. Promt is now there.
22:29 < thaly^menu> esden: urgs, ich steh grad auf dem schlauch. Ich brauch eine zahl die soviele Nullen hat, wie gro `num - 1' ist.
22:30 < thaly^menu> 10^(num-1)
22:30 < thaly^menu> (wird der divisor fr die konvertions-funktion)
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22:37 < thaly^menu> esden?
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23:13 < esden> re
23:14 < _NULL> re esden
23:14 < esden> thaly^menu: urgh ...
23:15 < thaly^menu> esden: never mind, do it now otherwise
23:15 < esden> kk
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23:23 < nAdIeD> H!
23:23 < esden> hi nAdIeD 
23:24 < nAdIeD> ke mas komo van
23:24 < thaly^menu> *g*
23:26 < esden> nAdIeD: bien i tu ?
23:26 < esden> or so ...
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23:27 < thaly^menu> co = columbia ... do they speak Portuguese?
23:28 < esden> no!
23:28 < esden> they speek spanish
23:28 < thaly^menu> ok
23:28 < esden> my mother was in columbia for many years ... 
23:28 < thaly^menu> mike speaks it either, doesn't he?
23:30 < esden> mike speaks spanish ... I donno if he speaks portuguese ... but when you know spanish it is not very difficult to understand portuguese
23:30 < thaly^menu> no, I spoke about spanish
23:30 < esden> ahh ok
23:30 < thaly^menu> this fuckin highlighting needs a lot of code
23:31 < esden> I told you that before
23:31 < esden> this is parsing code ... and that is always a lot !
23:31 < thaly^menu> mh, no trivial things, i should have packed them in a function
23:31 < thaly^menu> er
23:31 < thaly^menu> they're trivial
23:32 < thaly^menu> I dunno well about the color and modes managment of Curses
23:32 < thaly^menu> that'll have to be corrected maybe
23:32 < esden> so do it ... and pack them in functions
23:32 < esden> thaly^menu: create clean code please
23:32 < thaly^menu> i do
23:32 < esden> I know that the installer is a mess ... but do not do it worse
23:32 < esden> ;-)
23:34 < thaly^menu> yo ... i should have packed them in a function
23:34 < thaly^menu> hmpf
23:34 < thaly^menu> will do it tomorrow
23:35 < esden> roofl : http://www.softpink-bubblegum.com/pictures/band_9.jpg
23:35 < esden> kk ... do it thaly^menu 
23:38 < thaly^menu> esden: i must a lot of wattrset()s
23:38 < thaly^menu> 'cause i don't know how to mark some parts of a strings as to be colored in whatever
23:38 < thaly^menu> and i don't think it's possible
23:42 < thaly^menu> lol, damn i produced crap :-D
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23:44 < thaly^menu> at least the first 4 lines are being highlighted
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23:45 * thaly^menu is shutting down the other PC
23:46 -!- thaly^menu is now known as thalerim
23:54 < esden> hmm ...
23:54 < esden> thalerim: I want a screenshot !
23:54 < esden> or a patch
23:56 < thalerim> now ... for the first i must install a frambuf grabber (fb is affected by my matrix patch anyway), and #2 ... no, i must shame otherwise
23:56 < thalerim> s,now,no
23:56 < thalerim> also the PC is alredy shutted down
23:57 < thalerim> you'll get it tomorrow
23:59 < esden> matrixpatch ???
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