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--- Log opened Sat Aug 17 00:00:08 2002 --- Day changed Sat Aug 17 2002 00:00 -!- rolla [~Der@stlmaisenhel.ugs.com] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:00 < Mike1> holyolli: tsa ya me voy 00:00 < Mike1> nos vemos despues 00:00 < Mike1> holyolli: que tengas unas felices vacaciones 00:00 * Mike1 leaving 00:01 < Mike1> see you tomorrow 00:01 < holyolli> Mike1: debemos integrar el babelfish en rocklinux... 00:01 < holyolli> ;-) 00:01 < Mike1> holyolli: lo haremos 00:01 < theogenis> Mike1: it's tomorrow 00:02 < theogenis> 00:02 00:03 -!- tsa_ [~tsa@pD9525B75.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:03 < tsa_> hm.. 00:03 < theogenis> hrhr 00:03 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9E1180D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: tsa_!~tsa@pD9525B75.dip.t-dialin.net))) 00:04 -!- tsa_ is now known as tsa 00:06 -!- [mephisto] is now known as d3mian 00:06 < d3mian> nice spanish chat 00:06 < holyolli> hola d3mian 00:08 < d3mian> hola holyolli , que tal ? 00:08 < holyolli> bien. i tu? 00:09 < d3mian> bien, grax 00:10 < d3mian> cya 00:10 < tsa> cu d3mian 00:11 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 00:18 * -> esden -> tv 00:18 < holyolli> kommt was interessantes? 00:18 < tsa> wohl kaum - war das schon jemals so? 00:19 < _NULL> hm. kam doch mal afaik ein bericht ueber LT. 00:19 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@paradome.de] has quit ("Lost terminal") 00:22 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A5C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ("°ShowDowN v12 PrO° since 1996: https://www.sci.fi/~showdown/") 00:26 -!- WKaibigan2 [~Aloicious@ACB4AD31.ipt.aol.com] has left #rocklinux () 00:26 -!- plfiorini is now known as plfiorini|a 00:33 -!- rolla [rolla@adsl-65-69-56-202.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:34 < rolla> re all 00:34 < _NULL> re rolla 00:38 < rolla> you seen mike ? 00:40 < _NULL> rolla: yeah. 00:40 -!- theogenis [~tobrit@pD9E490B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:48 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pD9E1C838.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 00:49 * rolla is away: (Auto-Away after 10 mins) [BX-MsgLog On] 00:50 < SMP> rolla: no public-away please 00:51 < _NULL> hi SMP 00:52 * SMP fears dereferencing a NULL pointer ;> 00:52 < holyolli> *lol* 00:52 < holyolli> hi smp, btw. ;) 00:53 < _NULL> ;) 00:53 < _NULL> nullpointers are funny... especially if you're using windoze ;P 00:58 < tsa> hm.. 00:58 < tsa> i don't. 01:05 -!- zoran [~commander@p5087EF52.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 01:06 * rolla is back from the dead. Gone 0 hrs 17 min 35 secs 01:07 < rolla> SMP : Sorry about that damn BitchX 01:14 -!- rolla [rolla@adsl-65-69-56-202.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has quit ("rolla has no reason") 01:16 -!- rolla [rolla@adsl-65-69-56-202.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:16 -!- rolla [rolla@adsl-65-69-56-202.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has left #rocklinux () 01:17 < fronti> n8 01:17 < tsa> cu fronti 01:17 * tsa going to bed, too. 01:17 < tsa> cu all. 01:17 < fronti> cu tsa 01:18 < holyolli> n8 tsa 01:18 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9525B75.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 01:23 -!- maisenhe [rolla@adsl-65-69-56-202.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:23 -!- maisenhe is now known as rolla 01:24 < rolla> re all 01:25 < rolla> s 01:26 -!- rolla is now known as maisenhe 01:31 -!- maisenhe [rolla@adsl-65-69-56-202.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has quit ("leaving") 01:38 -!- maisenhe [rolla@adsl-65-69-56-202.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:08 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@linus.regehr.net] has quit ("X-Chat: Leggo my Eggo!") 02:11 < huebi> good night 02:12 < maisenhe> nacht 02:12 < _NULL> ciao huebi. gn8 02:18 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@linus.regehr.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:19 < holyolli> re 02:42 < holyolli> cya 02:42 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@linus.regehr.net] has left #rocklinux ("X-Chat: need we say more?") 02:52 < maisenhe> cool 03:38 -!- _NULL [~mail-spam@B590e.pppool.de] has quit ("back to fscking reality") 04:47 -!- maisenhe [rolla@adsl-65-69-56-202.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has quit ("leaving") 05:47 -!- kaerF [freak@pD953067A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:48 -!- Freak [freak@pD953062B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: kaerF!freak@pD953067A.dip.t-dialin.net))) 05:48 -!- kaerF is now known as Freak 06:33 -!- plfiorini|a is now known as plfiorini 07:19 -!- Kajarii [Kajarii@66.183.215.4] has joined #rocklinux 07:20 -!- Kajarii [Kajarii@66.183.215.4] has left #rocklinux () 08:02 * plfiorini is away: Matrix has find plfiorini and holds him 08:07 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A5C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 08:23 * plfiorini is back (gone 00:20:22) 08:36 < huebi> moin 08:39 < plfiorini> hi * 08:39 < plfiorini> it's too much hot 08:48 < huebi> plfiorini: I shut off all except one computer last night. now it's cold (22 degree) inside here. 09:25 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-2-275.tin.it] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:30 < [anders]> huebi: good morning.. :) 09:30 < [anders]> moin zusammen 09:31 < [anders]> huebu: ping 09:32 < [anders]> huebi: ping 09:32 < [anders]> *g* can't even type straight this morning.. 09:34 < [anders]> huebi: I have a small problem you might be able to help straighten out. The problem is that if I do an end-to-end build but leave out stage 5, I seem to end up with packages that are missing files.. 09:35 < [anders]> huebi: for example, the linux package was missing the lib/modules directory, vim is missing usr/bin/vim and there are probably other packages like it. All files are built as they are still in the build tree.. 09:36 < [anders]> it has me stumped as I thought it might have been something with make -j2 and flist_wrapper not getting on, but that does not seem to be the case. 09:39 < [anders]> huebi: the problem definately lies somewhere with the flist_wrapper as I have just looked through tthe build log for vim and it is creating lots of files, but only 6 ends up in the flist, and four of them are the var/adm files.. 10:04 < fronti> moin 10:10 < [anders]> <- afk 10:38 < huebi> re 10:39 < huebi> [anders]: I start a build later today. Then we can see whats wrong. 10:39 < huebi> tach fronti 10:39 < fronti> tach huebi 10:41 -!- thalerim [~tobrit@pD9E490B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:41 < thalerim> moin all 10:41 < huebi> hi thalerim 10:42 < thalerim> hehe ... whoever has written the pkg-selector of the Install Menu, should get a big fat asskick by Mathilda 10:43 < thalerim> there is not only one comment ... 10:44 < huebi> thalerim: No comments and cryptic code - the usual ROCK Linux problems. 10:44 < huebi> Source code encryption - nice feature 10:55 -!- Krylathon [~tobrit@pD9E490B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:55 -!- thalerim [~tobrit@pD9E490B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:55 < Krylathon> urgs, re 10:55 -!- Krylathon is now known as thalerim 10:58 < thalerim> huebi: there's a difference between C-programms and shellscripts. 10:58 < huebi> thalerim: really? 10:58 < thalerim> at least for me 10:59 < huebi> thalerim: What is the difference? 10:59 < thalerim> C is somewhat cryptic, in shellscripts i only must take look around, and parts - that could be improved - stick in my eyes immeadiately 11:00 < thalerim> immediately 11:03 < huebi> Sometimes in the shell scripts there are nice pipes with many regular expressions you first have to debug beforeyou can even try to get an idea what it could do. 11:03 < thalerim> huebi: for instance: if in a shellscripts is something like: cat blah | grep 'foo', this causes headache 11:03 < thalerim> yes, but you can find it out easierly 11:04 < thalerim> debugging is a lot easier and quicker 11:05 < thalerim> in shellscript you have to imagine what the shell'll do with this line, then you're able to improve it automaticely 11:07 < huebi> elif [ "$1" = "devel-update" -a $# = 2 ] ; then 11:07 < huebi> ./scripts/Download -list | grep -v '^ext-c' | sed 's,gz$,bz2,' | 11:07 < huebi> paste - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | while read x ; do 11:07 < huebi> find $x -type f -printf "%s %p\n" 2> /dev/null ; done > cur-files.txt 11:08 < huebi> No Comments. This needs about 1h to 1 day to find out what it does and why. 11:09 < thalerim> why? 11:10 < huebi> why it does what it does 11:11 < thalerim> i must only look up the %s and %p 11:12 < huebi> yes, this example is easy. But there are very much worse ones. 11:13 < thalerim> but you can split it into pieces 11:14 < thalerim> in fact, you could improve this line as well 11:15 < thalerim> the grep is not necessary 'cause sed is also able to do this 11:15 < huebi> thalerim: I just want to know what it does exactly. I don't want to invest some time in code sbd. wrote in an ugly unreadable style. So comments are a must in all the ROCK Linux code to get not only super programmers to get involved into ROCK Linux. 11:15 < thalerim> then you would spare one process and its *big* overhead 11:15 < thalerim> of course ... i only say shellscripts are easier to understand 11:16 < huebi> ACK. Shell script syntax is more human readable. 11:17 < thalerim> the problem with sed is, it's cryptic 11:17 < huebi> thalerim: This line can be approved, of course. But If I read a comment what the line does exactly, it's possible to start imediatly with the improving. 11:17 < thalerim> mom 11:18 < thalerim> ack 11:23 < thalerim> ./scripts/Download -list | sed -e '/^ext-c/d' -e 's,gz$,bz2,' 11:25 < huebi> thalerim: applied 11:25 < huebi> ;-) 11:28 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50816E44.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:28 < thalerim> huebi: improving shellscripts means - actually - to remove unnecessary pipes etc. - it causes a lot of overhead you can spare 11:28 < bluefire> Moin 11:28 < huebi> moin bluefire 11:28 < thalerim> huebi: i saw the following used: cat < file | grep 'foo' 11:28 < thalerim> lol!!! 11:28 < huebi> hehe 11:30 < thalerim> #1 bash opens 'file', dup2()d the filedescriptor, then forks it to cat, cat opens it again and prints it to stdout, then grep reads it and greps for 'foo' 11:30 < thalerim> grep 'foo' file 11:34 < huebi> thalerim: Obviously your example gets faster and at the same time the readability improves. Normally the readability gets worse with faster code. That's the point where I come with my "Request For Comments". 11:35 < thalerim> it's obviously clifford's guilty, he missed to add them. 12:06 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-5a223.tin.it] has joined #rocklinux 12:19 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50816E44.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:19 -!- chrisime_ [~chrisime@p50803639.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("I like core dumps") 12:52 < esden> morning 12:53 < fronti> hello esden 12:53 < esden> hi fronti 13:01 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-5a223.tin.it] has quit ("Shake your head") 13:02 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50816D94.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:47 < huebi> esden: moin 13:53 < tomik> esden: hi 13:58 < thalerim> huebi: hm. you'll test the install menu today, right? 13:59 < thalerim> huebi: i'm not entirely sure whether I fixed the df-bug properly 14:00 < thalerim> huebi: i'll load a new diff up later, must only fix one thing now 14:06 < esden> hi huebi 14:06 < esden> hi tomik 14:07 < esden> hi thalerim 14:07 < esden> thalerim: good ... then I can hack a bit when I am away on it 14:07 < tomik> esden: upgrade your theme .) "feel sexy enough? use rock-linux!" :) 14:07 < esden> tomik: where can I get it from ? 14:08 < thalerim> esden: btw. have you access to the chanserv of this channel? 14:08 < tomik> nowhere... yet :) 14:08 < tomik> rocklinux is better than sex, but not better than sex with two girls .) 14:08 < esden> thalerim: yes 14:09 < esden> thalerim: I am the owner of this thannel ;-) 14:09 < esden> s/thannel/channel/ 14:09 < thalerim> esden: in the desciption of the channel that is send to all joiners contains some errors 14:09 < thalerim> Welcome _in_ the RockLinux Developers' Channel 14:09 < esden> ohh ... ok ... tell me the corrected version please 14:10 < thalerim> and "See our homepage _at_ ..." 14:10 < thalerim> should be correct, does anyone protest? 14:13 < thalerim> so i will create now the diffs to upload them 14:13 < thalerim> it must be tested in a real installation environment 14:14 < esden> entrymsg set 14:15 < thalerim> damn ... i need clifford 14:18 < tomik> ;-) 14:22 < thalerim> esden: i haven't made comments to graphic_pkg_information() so far 14:24 < esden> that is ok i think ... I am able to read code ... 14:25 * -> esden installing his laptop... 14:25 < esden> thalerim: I will take your code with me in my vacation ... and clean up my own code ... and take a look at your's 14:26 < thalerim> so i should not send it to the list? 14:26 < thalerim> +at all 14:26 < esden> you can send it to the list ... 14:26 < esden> why not ? 14:27 < thalerim> never mind 14:27 < thalerim> https://www.freebits.de/trash/sonstiges/patches/install_menu/ 14:29 < thalerim> huebi: please test it in an install environment ... I don't think I fixed it properly. 14:31 < thalerim> (i talk about the get_df() bug) 15:18 -!- thalerim [~tobrit@pD9E490B3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ho chresim eidos uch hoch poll eidos sphos") 16:44 -!- x9d9o9g3b [~snyke@pD9502A6B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:47 < rxr> re 16:54 < rxr> hm cliff is away ? - I have some updates and will fix many things in the next weeks. So my rxr rsync tree on my server is again the place to merge changes ? 17:02 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A5C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:10 < esden> hi rxr 17:10 < esden> rxr: seems so 17:11 * -> esden is away for at least 2 weeks is 2 hours too 17:12 < rxr> hi esden 17:27 < esden> ok ... I go now 17:27 < esden> I have to do some things before leaving 17:30 < rxr> much fun esden ! 17:46 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p50803639.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:47 < rxr> hi chrisime 17:54 < rxr> [anders]: are you here ? 17:58 -!- owl [~mail-spam@B5792.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:58 < owl> hi 18:01 < rxr> hi owl 18:01 < huebi> hi owl 18:02 < owl> hi rxr, hi huebi 18:02 < rxr> hi huebi 18:02 < huebi> hi rxr 18:03 < huebi> esden: Have fun in your hollidays 18:17 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082B108.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:17 -!- term_emu [~pm@p508199DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:17 < tsa> hi 18:17 < owl> hi tsa 18:17 < tsa> hi owl 18:20 < term_emu> hi 18:21 < owl> hi 18:23 -!- thalerim [~tobrit@p5081372A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:34 < tsa> fektschreibtischlampe 18:34 < tsa> grrr 18:34 < tsa> ww 18:47 < rxr> tsa: hi! 18:47 < tsa> hi rxr 18:49 < tsa> Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhh! 18:49 < tsa> *droehn* 18:50 * tsa hat grad den pre-amped Output der soundkarte wiedergefunden. 18:51 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-5a243.tin.it] has joined #rocklinux 18:51 < tsa> hi plfiorini 18:51 < plfiorini> hi tsa 18:51 < plfiorini> hi * 18:52 < huebi> tsa: lol 18:53 < owl> ciao plfiorini 18:54 < rxr> tsa: in my 1.7 tree many gnome2 updates are included (and some others, too) ... 18:54 * tsa hatte sich schon gewundert, wieso das eigentlich immer viel leiser war als erwartet.. 18:54 -!- huebi [huebi@rocklinux.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 18:54 < tsa> rxr: nice. 18:54 -!- huebi [huebi@rocklinux.de] has joined #rocklinux 18:55 < tsa> re huebi 18:55 < plfiorini> ciao owl 18:55 < huebi> re 18:55 < huebi> /upgrade failed because it did not find the binary 18:55 < tsa> hehe 19:08 < chrisime> hi rxr 19:11 < rxr> hi chrisime 19:11 < rxr> yesterday I updated all gnome-2 packages in ROCK Linux ;-)! 19:13 < chrisime> aaah 19:13 < chrisime> gnome2.0.1 19:14 < chrisime> ^^hoffentlich 19:14 < rxr> chrisime: I took the latest version for each package ... 19:15 < plfiorini> rxr: i will do other packages than acme (now i have only acme) 19:15 < chrisime> rxr: ah fine 19:15 < plfiorini> rxr: and i'll made available my tree, but you should port it to 1.7 :) 19:15 < chrisime> rxr: i hope it did go well 19:16 < rxr> plfiorini: what tree are you talking about ? 19:16 < thalerim> huebi: PING? 19:17 < plfiorini> rxr: mine 19:18 < rxr> plfiorini: wow - and what is in "that tree" ? 19:21 < plfiorini> rxr: it's the tree of my distro, i have a small 0.0.1 version but no iso and no website :) 19:21 < plfiorini> rxr: it works fine here, and i'll release a new version soon, with an iso and the tree 19:23 < thalerim> rxr: mh ... what do you think about an option of ./scripts/Download that contact a ROCK server to choose the most recent pkg version to be downloaded? I'm not fully satisfied with the current way of just using the local base (i know about ./script/Update) 19:24 < huebi> thalerim: pong 19:24 < thalerim> or this option could print that i must update this pkg 19:24 < thalerim> or something like this 19:24 < thalerim> huebi: ah fine. Did you test it already? 19:25 < huebi> thalerim: no, I first want to finish a new build. 19:26 < thalerim> okay. please do it soon since i want to finish my work on it 19:30 < rxr> thalerim: No this would suck - because the patches (and other build details) would not match. But I agree that the "Check-PkgVersio" should be improved ... 19:31 < thalerim> well ... don't come up with this 1.7 stuff ;-) 19:32 < rxr> thalerim: hm ?!? 19:32 < thalerim> <- 1.5 19:32 < thalerim> no check-pkgversion 19:33 < rxr> thalerim: ? Really not? I think we have it for some time now ... 19:33 < thalerim> checkvers.sh 19:33 < thalerim> -s 19:34 < thalerim> what the heck? 19:35 < thalerim> lol 19:37 < rxr> plfiorini: what is your dist about ? 19:39 < owl> rxr: do you have experience with hauppauge devices (tv-card) ? 19:39 < tsa> which chipset? 19:39 < owl> aeh... mom 19:39 < plfiorini> rxr: workstations 19:40 < plfiorini> rxr: i need it mainly at home, but probably i'll use it at work 19:40 < plfiorini> s/mainly/mostly/g 19:43 -!- LocalHero [LocalHero@dhcp-228.lunds.lu.se] has joined #rocklinux 19:43 < chrisime> s/owl/NULL ? 19:43 < chrisime> *renn* 19:44 < LocalHero> Hi all :) 19:44 < chrisime> rxr: ahnung von ftp server? meiner will net 19:45 < owl> tsa: i just know that it's a wintv primio fm from hauppauge 19:46 < rxr> plfiorini: ever noticed dRock (Desktop ROCK Linux) ? 19:46 < tsa> owl: at least you're sure it's something for a computer, hm? 19:46 < rxr> chrisime: urgh - nee nur mit dem bsd-ftp Linux port - wu-ftp oder so nehme ich nicht ... 19:47 < huebi> chrisime: vsftpd - simple to use 19:47 < owl> tsa: sorry. i'm still looking for the chipset... but in the manual... chipset... wuah... what is it *grml* 19:47 < tsa> owl: i see. 19:47 < plfiorini> rxr: yes but it's not what i want 19:47 < huebi> owl: Use a srewdriver for looking. 19:48 < tsa> owl: so it is a card for a computer. has it any chips on it? 19:48 < plfiorini> rxr: i don't hate your work, of course 19:48 < tsa> *g* 19:48 < plfiorini> rxr: you can take my patches, anyway - it's gpl :) 19:48 < plfiorini> oh food is done! 19:48 < owl> tsa: hm. what sort of chips ;P 19:48 -!- plfiorini is now known as plfood 19:49 < tsa> owl: black ones.. 19:49 < tsa> :P 19:49 < huebi> owl: black big chip on the board. BT-878 or so 19:49 < tsa> $chip =~ /BT\d+/ 19:50 < owl> huebi: yeah. i know. but i don't know if it's the BT-878 or the BT-848 19:50 < tsa> *sigh* 19:50 < chrisime> huebi: iwas using pureftp 19:50 < tsa> women.. 19:50 < chrisime> and now what openbsd offers 19:50 < owl> and you really can't see it. cuz the case is still a BAT... 19:50 < chrisime> both donät work 19:50 < huebi> owl: Just read the magic white signs on the chip 19:50 < owl> tsa: shut up ;P 19:51 < tsa> owl: perhaps you should better stick with making coffee for sysadmins ;) 19:51 < tsa> huebi would appreciate that, too, i guess.. 19:51 < owl> huebi: i can't. cuz you can't see them. without removing all cards and so on... 19:51 < huebi> owl: Then remove only the tv card. 19:52 < huebi> owl: lspci? 19:52 < owl> it's also impossible... kernel's compiling 19:52 < owl> huebi: thx. 19:52 < owl> BT-878 19:52 < huebi> owl: why is it impossible? It's more easy than making coffee 19:53 < owl> huebi: *gml* 19:53 < owl> s,gml,grml 19:53 < tsa> can someone try to exploit this: https://www.jaenicke.org/cgi-bin/trace.cgi ? any feedback welcome.. 19:53 < huebi> tsa: Readl adress of that server? 19:53 < huebi> -d 19:54 < tsa> 217.14.162.244, with lots of aliases. 19:54 < thalerim> tsa: written in? 19:54 < tsa> perl. 19:55 < huebi> tsa: city? street? 19:55 < tsa> huebi: hehe. 19:55 < chrisime> rxr: https://primates.helixcode.com/~miguel/gnome-history.html 19:55 < tsa> huebi: ravensberger str 10g, 33602 bielefeld. 19:55 < huebi> tsa: hehe... 19:59 < huebi> I have a remote exploit task force. Just call 110 and tell some stories about a pr0n server atravensberger str 10g, 33602 bielefeld. They often behave a little bit like idiots would do but if not (what almost never happens except in unrealistic movies) they are very efficient. 20:02 < tsa> *G* 20:03 -!- plfood is now known as plfiorini 20:05 < huebi> Actually they would destroy the building and leave all the servers in there untouched and guard them after getting into the building like blood dogs. 20:06 -!- LocalHero [LocalHero@dhcp-228.lunds.lu.se] has quit () 20:09 -!- x9d9o9g3b [~snyke@pD9502A6B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ("°ShowDowN v12 PrO° since 1996: https://www.sci.fi/~showdown/") 20:09 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A6B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:16 < thalerim> aaarghs ... rxr!!! 20:16 < thalerim> btw. hi snyke 20:29 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@linus.regehr.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:29 < holyolli> moin 20:29 < owl> hi holyolli 20:29 < holyolli> hi owl 20:30 < tsa> huhu holyolli 20:30 < h0h0> bleben? 20:30 < h0h0> blebin? 20:30 < holyolli> hi tsa 20:30 < h0h0> either of those mean anything to anyone? 20:31 < tsa> nope 20:32 < h0h0> I must be bad at spelling german 20:32 < h0h0> im pretty confident I am 20:32 < thalerim> h0h0: may you mean bleiben? 20:33 < h0h0> it probably could be 20:34 < praenti> hi 20:35 < praenti> huebi: chimera2 and courier should work now 20:41 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@linus.regehr.net] has left #rocklinux ("X-Chat: Pretzel Boy uses X-Chat. Shouldn't you?") 20:41 < tsa> damn evolution. 20:41 < tsa> compiles. but does nothing but segfault. 20:42 < owl> *g* 20:42 < owl> damn kernel. compiles. until error. :-/ 20:43 < tsa> error? 20:43 < owl> yeah. 20:43 < owl> 2.4.19 vanilla... it seems to hate me 20:43 < tsa> what error? 20:43 < tsa> what system? 20:44 < owl> amd-k6, error... moment... i have to try compiling again... 20:49 < tsa> *waiting* 20:52 < tsa> *waiting* 20:53 < tsa> *waiting* 20:54 < owl> 1000 years later 20:57 < thalerim> huh what the - 20:57 < thalerim> Build-Pkg seems to own $ROCK-SRC/src to root automaticely, why? 20:58 < thalerim> s,own,chown, 20:58 < thalerim> rxr!!! i must talk to you about Build-Pkg anyway 21:12 -!- uniplex [~zip@ip68-99-105-125.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:23 -!- Freak [freak@pD953067A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("changing nic-interfaces n stuff") 21:27 -!- Freak [freak@pD9530F34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:29 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p50803639.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:29 -!- kaerF [freak@p50839CA9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:29 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p50803639.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:30 -!- kaerF [freak@p50839CA9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:31 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p50803639.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Client Quit) 21:31 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p50803639.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:35 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 21:36 < Mike1> Hi all 21:36 -!- Freak [freak@pD9530F34.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21:37 < owl> hi Mike1 21:37 < Mike1> hi owl how are you today? 21:37 < owl> Mike1: i don't know. don't wanna think about it. and you? 21:38 < Mike1> i great, i finally got a proper build on rock-1.5.18-Gnome2, runs very nice on the station i installed it 21:39 < owl> ;) i have problems compiling a new kernel, using 1.5.18... i just get asm-messages and errors... :-/ 21:40 -!- Freak [freak@pD9E39ADF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:41 < Mike1> owl: strange, anyways i am not using cvs official sources, i am using a tree updated with cvs but with other cool stuff and modifications made by me and [anders] the major of then a complete and funtional Gnome2 21:41 < Mike1> owl: no kernel compiling problems for me :) 21:41 < thalerim> Does anyone know where the `mount' sources are located? 21:41 < thalerim> or which rock-pkg contains mount 21:42 < thalerim> moin freak, everything fine? 21:42 < owl> Mike1: yeah. maybe my usual "luck"... :) 21:42 < thalerim> owl: huebi has said something about a broken kernel pkg in 1.5.18 21:42 < tsa> thalerim: util-linux 21:42 < thalerim> thx! 21:43 < thalerim> oh i forgot, i am on ignore ... hwat a pity 21:43 < owl> thalerim: hm. i'm using 2.4.19 kernel. 21:43 < owl> *g* not really. i just ignored your comments for a while. better: didn't read them ;P 21:44 < thalerim> owl: dunno, i used the iso and downloaded the original source from kernel.org 21:44 < Freak> thalerim: lost my 25day-uptime :) 21:44 < Freak> thalerim: what to do if nfs fails to start after a init 1, init 5 21:44 < owl> thalerim: i used the iso huebi gave me last weekend and using the source from him, too 21:44 < Freak> and booting stops going on.. 21:45 < thalerim> owl: i would try the original sources 21:46 < owl> from kernel.org or what do you mean? 21:46 < thalerim> huebi: you should remove all backup files before you create an ISO 21:46 < thalerim> owl: yup 21:46 < owl> hm. oki. i will try it. thx. 21:46 < thalerim> assembler errors are pretty unlikely in the 2.4 tree 21:48 < tsa> thalerim: /usr/include/asm is pretty unlikely a directory, too.. 21:48 < Mike1> plfiorini: awake? 21:48 < owl> thalerim: sw33t. and all are available there, i'm currently seeing, i guess :) 21:48 < thalerim> huh? it's a symbolic link, mostly to /usr/src/linux that links to the current sources 21:48 < plfiorini> Mike1: yes 21:49 < plfiorini> hi Mike1 21:49 < owl> thalerim: on my system, it wasn't a slink... it was a dir. 21:49 < Mike1> plfiorini: hi, i finally have a stable iso for rock-1.5.18-Gnome2 21:49 < Mike1> plfiorini: wanna get the iso? 21:49 < tsa> so owl's system is broken somewhere. 21:49 < owl> thalerim: but i changed it. result: still asm errors 21:49 < plfiorini> Mike1: i am not sure, i have mine that works fine here :) 21:50 < Mike1> tsa: of course its broken she is oftenly hitting you with her pink laptop ;) 21:50 < plfiorini> Mike1: with ogg-vorbis and other updated packages, like reiserfsprogs and gnupg 21:50 < plfiorini> Mike1: and elinks 21:50 < thalerim> owl: huh, sorry ... on my current system as well.. strange 21:50 < Mike1> plfiorini: ok then have fun :) 21:50 < owl> tsa: hm. so every 1.5.18 system should have this probmlem 21:50 < plfiorini> Mike1: :) 21:50 < owl> thalerim: yeah. really strange ;) 21:50 < Mike1> owl: not mine 21:50 < tsa> owl: 21:50 < tsa> $ cat /etc/ROCK-LINUX 21:50 < tsa> ROCK Linux 1.4.0 i686 (native, 2001/04/28) 21:50 < thalerim> i think my old system was somewhat broken then 21:51 < tsa> i don't know 21:51 < owl> tsa: ;) 21:51 < owl> Mike1: strange! 21:51 < tsa> (where 1.4.0 could be anything from 1.4.0 to 1.7.0-DEV ;) 21:51 < Mike1> tsa: hehe 21:52 < owl> tsa: *lol* 21:53 * owl 's trying to install rock 1.5.18 on another system and test the problems she had a little bit 21:53 < tsa> $ pkg-list |grep 1.4.0$|wc -l 21:53 < tsa> 10 21:54 < owl> is there scsi support available, if i 'm booting, using floppy disks (*g*)? ;) 21:54 < thalerim> owl: try a new kernel first 21:54 < thalerim> from kernel.org 21:54 < thalerim> owl: it's compiled int othe kernel 21:55 < thalerim> i hadn't any problems 21:55 < owl> thalerim: not just because the kernel... (and btw, downloading takes a while (ISDN)) also the /usr/include/asm problem... and the systems need an OS... so, why not testing :) 21:56 < thalerim> owl: what problem? /usr/include/asm is a directory here too - i think my old system was broken 21:56 < tsa> thalerim: no, it has to be a symlink 21:56 < thalerim> hm ... lol 21:57 < thalerim> okay, then i was right ... but why that on 1.5.18? 21:57 < tsa> [tsa@azathoth ~]$ file /usr/include/asm 21:57 < tsa> /usr/include/asm: symbolic link to ../src/linux/include/asm 21:57 < tsa> [tsa@azathoth ~]$ file /usr/src/linux/include/asm 21:57 < tsa> /usr/src/linux/include/asm: symbolic link to asm-i386 21:57 < owl> tsa: thx :) 21:58 * thalerim sets mode +hunting +huebi +to +blame 21:58 < owl> thalerim: hehe ;) 22:00 < thalerim> so ... getting util-linux sources now, to modify mount a bit 22:02 -!- SoniA [~nando@cii.udea.edu.co] has joined #rocklinux 22:02 < SoniA> Mike! 22:02 < thalerim> moin SoniA 22:03 < Mike1> hi SoniA 22:03 < tsa> hi SoniA 22:04 < Mike1> tsa: SoniA is from Colombia 22:04 < tsa> Mike1: yes, already seen that.. 22:05 < Mike1> tsa: hehe de acuerdo 22:05 -!- SoniA is now known as nAdIa 22:19 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A6B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ("°ShowDowN v12 PrO° since 1996: https://www.sci.fi/~showdown/") 22:55 -!- uniplex [~zip@ip68-99-105-125.hr.hr.cox.net] has quit ("No windows for this server") 22:59 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 23:12 -!- nAdIa [~nando@cii.udea.edu.co] has quit ("My damn controlling terminal disappeared!") 23:13 -!- plfiorini [~plfiorini@r-bo043-5a243.tin.it] has quit ("g'night folks") 23:27 -!- chrisime_ [~chrisime@p50803FB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:32 -!- chrisime_ [~chrisime@p50803FB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("I like core dumps") 23:32 -!- chrisime_ [~chrisime@p50803FB7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:43 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p50803639.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:53 * tsa going to bed 23:53 < tsa> cu all 23:53 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082B108.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") --- Log closed Sun Aug 18 00:00:42 2002