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00:01 < rxr> jackson:/rock-linux # rm -rf rock-1.5/
00:02 < th> evil
00:02 < rxr> rene@jackson:~/develop/rock > rm -rf rock-src-1.5-orig/
00:02 < Mike1> :(
00:03 < rxr> so iproute2 and lilo improved in 1.7
00:09 < huebi> th: evil = idiot?
00:09 < th> huebi: no
00:10 < huebi> th *g*
00:21 < rxr> new 1.7 build from scratch
00:22 < d3mian> cya -> having luch
00:22 < huebi> cu d3mian
00:48 < Mike1> i go now see you tomorrow
00:49 < Mike1> huebi: i need to take the hard drive with me keep downloading tomorrow
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02:47 < d3mian> i can increase the sound lenght of the horn on each beep
02:48 < d3mian> also the frequence
02:48 < d3mian> i mean in the echo -en \\007
02:48 < d3mian> upps, sorry, this wasnt for here :p
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04:13 < d3mian> have a good night all over there
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06:51 < huebi> moin
08:01 < huebi> first part of the "ROCK Linux Coding Style Guide" is written ;-)
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08:46 < [anders]> *yaaaawn*
08:46 < [anders]> morrn morrn alla..
08:47 * [anders] had a little argument with the gf last night about the death penalty.. I don't think it is a good idea, but she does...
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09:36 < rxr> moin [anders]
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09:51 < [anders]> yo rxr....
09:52 * [anders] just finished reading the rock ml... thinking about shipping some ice to the server-room to cool it down..
09:53 < snyke> hmm
09:53 < [anders]> rxr: can you e-mail me your linux* patches (if you still have them) and I'll try and understand what needs doing to apply them (with comments)
09:53 < snyke> hmm
09:54 < snyke> anybody skilled in dns? :)
09:54 < [anders]> snyke: I wouldn't say I am 'skilled' but I have tinkered with it before..
09:54 < snyke> mh not dns, bind.
09:54 < [anders]> I understood what you ment.. ;-)
09:54 < snyke> I might need a little bit of help.
09:54 < snyke> ok:
09:54 < [anders]> with which bit?
09:55 < snyke> I have master zone "sharknt.ath.cx"
09:55 < [anders]> da
09:55 < snyke> and now, it doesn't look up "sharknt.ath.cx" anymore.
09:55 < snyke> .oO( hm, geht deutsch auch? )
09:56 < snyke> Server: cyron.sharknt.ath.cx
09:56 < snyke> Address: 192.168.0.10
09:56 < snyke> Name: sharknt.ath.cx
09:56 < snyke> it's like "Yes, I know sharknt.ath.cx. It's IP? *LOL* - No."
09:56 < [anders]> ok, lets assume your named.conf is correct.. does your resolv.conf contain the ip of your nameserver which is authorative for sharknt.ath.cx ?
09:56 < snyke> it contains as first entry 127.0.0.1
09:57 < snyke> then the others of the ips
09:57 < snyke> isp
09:57 < [anders]> and 127.0.0.1 is the dns, correct?
09:57 < snyke> yes, bind runs on the local box
09:57 < [anders]> then there must be something up with your named.conf
09:57 < snyke> in named.conf I have entered the isp's dns servers as forwarders.
09:58 < [anders]> you have allow-query { 127.0.0/24; }; and listen-on { 127.0.0/24; }; yes?
09:58 < [anders]> having them as forwarders are good..
09:58 < snyke> right now I have *
09:59 < snyke> https://cyron.sharknt.ath.cx/~snyke/named.txt <-- named.conf
10:00 < [anders]> shark and shark.rev are both in /etc/namedb/ yes?
10:00 < snyke> yes.
10:01 < snyke> and I assume they are correct, because /var/log/messages says reloading named... no errors...
10:01 < [anders]> hmm.. I can not see anything wrong with the named.conf....
10:02 < snyke> second
10:02 < snyke> I'll share my shark and shark.rev, too
10:02 < [anders]> I have a named.conf that looks very similar, (diffrent ip's and zone names), and mine works..
10:02 < snyke> ok
10:03 < snyke> https://cyron.sharknt.ath.cx/~snyke/shark.txt
10:03 < snyke> https://cyron.sharknt.ath.cx/~snyke/shark.rev.txt
10:04 < snyke> actually it's not such a big problem that it doesn't resolve that master-address, but it is needed by the mail-system. (broke down the last days, the local sending only)
10:05 < snyke> hmm
10:05 < [anders]> they both look good to me..
10:07 < [anders]> is it all types of queries that fail, or only reverse or only normal ?
10:11 < snyke> argh no!!
10:11 < snyke> just "sharknt.ath.cx"
10:11 < snyke> the others, the hosts are resolved correctly
10:11 < snyke> and for those he hasn't in cache or config he asks the forwarder.
10:12 < snyke> just "sharknt.ath.cx" fails. hm not really failes, he just doesn't return any ip
10:12 < snyke> just the name
10:13 < snyke> any idea?
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10:14 < Ge0rG> hi
10:15 < [anders]> uhm..
10:17 < [anders]> snyke: if you do 'dig @127.0.0.1 sharknt.ath.cx' or 'dig @127.0.0.1 cyron.sharknt.ath.cx', what do you get?
10:21 < [anders]> moin Ge0rG
10:26 < snyke> second
10:26 < snyke> hm
10:26 < snyke> many text :)
10:27 < snyke> the second has an answer
10:27 < snyke> the first just returst the authority section
10:27 < snyke> returns
10:27 < [anders]> snyke: ok, your zones doesn't have anything corresponding to 'sharknt.ath.cx'...
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10:29 < [anders]> perhaps if your zones had a line '10 IN PTR sharknt.ath.cx.' as well..
10:31 < [anders]> and you might want an $ORIGIN line in the plain zone file..
10:31 < [anders]> <flood>
10:31 < [anders]> $ORIGIN org.
10:31 < [anders]> trudheim 86400 IN SOA trudheim.org. postmaster.trudheim.org. (
10:32 < [anders]> 996136864 3600 300 360000 86400 )
10:32 < [anders]> 86400 IN NS inspiron.trudheim.org.
10:32 < [anders]> trudheim 86400 IN A 212.23.8.80
10:32 < [anders]> $ORIGIN trudheim.org.
10:32 < [anders]> inspiron 86400 IN A 192.168.24.128
10:32 < [anders]> gw 86400 IN A 192.168.24.254
10:32 < [anders]> www 86400 IN A 212.23.8.80
10:32 < [anders]> ;
10:32 < [anders]> ; Aliases
10:32 < [anders]> ;
10:32 < [anders]> dhcp.trudheim.org. IN CNAME gw.trudheim.org.
10:32 < [anders]> </flood>
10:32 < [anders]> works for me.. :)
10:32 < snyke> ;)
10:32 < snyke> hm
10:32 < snyke> *reads*
10:33 < [anders]> brb
10:38 < snyke> argh
10:38 < [anders]> back
10:39 < [anders]> snyke: any joy?
10:41 < snyke> nope.
10:41 < snyke> added $ORIGIN sharknt.ath.cx.
10:41 < snyke> (cyron.sharknt.ath.cx is host)
10:42 < [anders]> are your updated shark/shark.rev put on the web?
10:42 < snyke> nope
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10:43 < snyke> i just try another thing
10:43 < snyke> hi huebi
10:43 < [anders]> morrn huebi
10:43 < [anders]> snyke: ok.. I know my zones work, but I am using bind version 9.2.0
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10:45 < snyke> hi th
10:45 < snyke> hi NUMA
10:46 < snyke> grr
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10:47 < snyke> [anders]: updated.
10:48 < [anders]> snyke: ok.. /me will take a look.. :)
10:50 < [anders]> snyke: is it working any better with the updates?
10:50 < snyke> no..
10:51 < snyke> I tried now to remove the "cyron" in the SOA zones
10:52 < snyke> when I make an error and he is rejecting the zone, it works ^^ because he is returning my external IP ... on all aliases and hostnames.
10:52 < snyke> then he is answering also "sharknt.ath.cx"
10:52 < snyke> hmm
10:55 < [anders]> snyke: one moment..
10:57 < [anders]> I updated the zone to look a little more like the zone I use.. I also noticed the IN missing in the CNAME lines, that might have caused you some trouble
10:57 < snyke> hmmm
10:58 < [anders]> afaict the only difference between your zone and mine that I pasted in earlier is that you use MX record, something I have not messed with before..
10:58 < snyke> hm
10:58 < th> oh dns problems?
10:59 < snyke> mine soa begins with a @
10:59 < snyke> yours with a "."
10:59 < snyke> y?
10:59 < snyke> :)
10:59 < snyke> yep th
10:59 < th> a SOA bginning with "."???
10:59 < [anders]> because of your $ORIGIN a little ealier..
11:00 < th> is the zone-file online to view somewhere?
11:00 < [anders]> you could have $ORIGIN ath.cx. and then sharknt IN SOA sharknt.ath.cx. root.sharknt.ath.cx. (
11:01 < snyke> th: yes
11:01 < [anders]> then you set $ORIGIN sharknt.ath.cx. before you start naming your hosts
11:01 < snyke> ah ok
11:01 < snyke> https://cyron.sharknt.ath.cx/~snyke/shark.txt
11:01 < snyke> https://cyron.sharknt.ath.cx/~snyke/shark.rev.txt
11:01 < snyke> https://cyron.sharknt.ath.cx/~snyke/named.txt
11:01 < snyke> named.txt is named.conf
11:01 < snyke> ah
11:02 < snyke> but not uptodate anymore
11:02 < snyke> give me a second
11:02 < [anders]> th: your SOA can start with a . if your $ORIGIN preceding the SOA record is the actual authority, correct?
11:03 < snyke> Aug 23 11:02:35 cyron named[80]: shark:4: SOA for "" not at zone top "sharknt.ath.cx"
11:03 < snyke> Aug 23 11:02:35 cyron named[80]: Zone "sharknt.ath.cx" (file shark): no NS RRs found at zone top
11:03 < snyke> Aug 23 11:02:35 cyron named[80]: master zone "sharknt.ath.cx" (IN) rejected due to errors (serial 20020431)
11:03 < snyke> o.o
11:03 < th> [anders]: hmmm not sure. i would use @ then
11:03 < th> snyke: the serial is too short!
11:03 < snyke> ?
11:03 < th> YYYYMMDDXX
11:04 < th> 2002082301
11:04 < [anders]> th: ok.. I set my zone SOA to look like this...
11:04 < [anders]> $ORIGIN org.
11:04 < [anders]> trudheim 86400 IN SOA trudheim.org. postmaster.trudheim.org. ( 996136864 3600 300 360000 86400 )
11:04 < [anders]> 86400 IN NS inspiron.trudheim.org.
11:04 < th> [anders]: i do ORIGIN . and fqdn SOA most times ;)
11:04 < [anders]> th: both valid styles.. ;-)
11:05 < snyke> AAAAHH
11:05 < snyke> o.o
11:05 < th> (.)(.)
11:05 < snyke> now "sharknt.ath.cx" works
11:05 < snyke> and the others don't work
11:06 < snyke> o.O
11:06 < [anders]> *g*
11:06 < snyke> ehm.
11:06 < snyke> just updated the shared files.
11:06 < [anders]> snyke: at least you have a working zone you can use as template to fix the others.. ;-)
11:06 < th> snyke: aehm. there are only sharknt zones in your named.conf
11:07 < snyke> ehm, it's correct?
11:07 < snyke> [anders] hmm
11:07 < [anders]> snyke: you need a second $ORIGIN in your shark zonefile.. just before you declare your hosts, you need $ORIGIN sharknt.ath.cx.
11:07 < snyke> hm? hm.
11:07 < snyke> ok
11:07 < th> exactly
11:08 < [anders]> otherwise your hosts will become known as cyron.ath.cx
11:08 < [anders]> etc..
11:08 < snyke> ah o
11:08 < snyke> k
11:08 < snyke> where to place?
11:08 < snyke> after MX record?
11:08 < snyke> before?
11:08 < th> before cyron
11:08 < snyke> there are much cyrons ;)
11:08 < th> the first?
11:08 < snyke> ok
11:08 < snyke> yep
11:08 < [anders]> between SOA record and the IN A / IN MX records
11:09 < th> before "^cyron" to be exact
11:09 < [anders]> agreed :)
11:09 < snyke> hmm.
11:10 < snyke> doesnt.
11:10 < th> update your files
11:11 < snyke> k
11:11 < th> you did not increase serial
11:11 < th> 2002082302
11:11 < th> and HUP named again
11:11 < snyke> did.
11:11 < snyke> doesnt.
11:12 < th> serial increased?
11:12 < th> what does not work?
11:12 < snyke> yes.
11:12 < snyke> "sharknt.ath.cx"
11:12 < snyke> the others work again :)
11:12 < th> btw: there is a . missing after cyron.sharknt.ath.cx (MX-record line)
11:12 < snyke> ehm? ok
11:13 < th> i don't want to know the domain that doesn't work i want to know what does not work
11:13 < th> otherwise it becomes MX 10 cyron.sharknt.ath.cx.sharknt.ath.cx
11:13 < snyke> X/
11:13 < th> is the name-server accessable?
11:13 < th> can i query it?
11:13 < snyke> yes.
11:13 < snyke> think so.
11:13 < th> ip?
11:14 < th> 217.80.42.89?
11:14 < snyke> i look.
11:14 < snyke> yes
11:14 < th> hmm
11:14 < th> seems to work
11:14 < th> which query is a problem?
11:14 < snyke> hm?
11:14 < snyke> "sharknt.ath.cx"
11:14 < th> "sharknt.ath.cx" is not a query
11:15 < th> which record?
11:15 < snyke> ehm
11:15 < snyke> not the mx
11:15 < snyke> not the ns :)
11:15 < th> there is no MX for sharknt.ath.cx. set
11:15 < snyke> ??
11:15 < snyke> hm
11:15 < th> there is a MX for cyron set
11:15 < th> but none for sharknt
11:15 < snyke> the mx is not the problem
11:16 < th> ok
11:16 < th> so what IS the problem?
11:16 < snyke> cyron.sharknt.ath.cx has the same ip as sharknt.ath.cx
11:16 < snyke> but it doesn't lookup sharknt.ath.cx
11:17 < th> sharknt IN A 192.168.0.10 this is sharknt.sharknt.ath.cx
11:17 < snyke> that was a stupid try by me.
11:17 < snyke> I can delete that entry.
11:17 < th> move this line before the second origin
11:18 < snyke> ah ok
11:18 < th> which bind-version is this?
11:18 < snyke> hmm
11:18 < snyke> I think 8
11:18 < snyke> :)
11:18 < th> ok then
11:19 < snyke> ok
11:19 < th> aehm
11:19 < snyke> thank you
11:19 < th> your NS record bugs
11:19 < snyke> hum
11:19 < th> use a name not an IP
11:19 < snyke> but the main problem is solved ^^
11:19 < snyke> *happy*
11:19 < th> either a name or a name AND IP
11:19 < th> you see what i mean by doing: host -t ns sharknt.ath.cx sharknt.ath.cx
11:20 < th> aehm
11:20 < snyke> name and ip
11:20 < th> btw...
11:20 < snyke> which format must this have?
11:20 < snyke> just whitespace between?
11:20 < th> youi decided to resolve sharknt.ath.cx to 192.168.0.10 ??
11:20 < snyke> yes, from LAN
11:21 < th> but sharknt.ath.cx is your SOA host
11:21 < th> can't be 192.168.0.10 if domain shall be world-accessable
11:21 < snyke> shouldn't be world-accessible
11:21 < th> ahh ok
11:21 < snyke> only from my little lan
11:21 < snyke> from extern it should have 217.80.42.89
11:21 < th> you should use a name for your NS record
11:22 < snyke> a name?
11:22 < snyke> you said ip before?
11:22 < th> sharknt.ath.cx.
11:22 < th> 11:19:25 < th> use a name not an IP
11:22 < snyke> ehm
11:22 < snyke> o.o ok
11:23 < snyke> ok
11:23 < th> and update the files again ;)
11:23 < snyke> did.
11:23 * [anders] now knows who to go pester when running in to DNS problems in future...... ;-)
11:23 < th> you did not increase serial
11:23 < th> [anders]: ;)
11:24 < [anders]> th: you been keeping your DNS skills quiet in the # before.. :)
11:24 < [anders]> brb, kaffe
11:24 < th> [anders]: no one asked ;)
11:25 < snyke> :)
11:25 < snyke> increased *g*
11:25 < th> snyke: btw you can remove the word "sharknt" in the first IN A line
11:26 < snyke> did.
11:27 < th> now it seems to be very fine ;)
11:27 < snyke> yes
11:27 < snyke> VERY BIG THANK YOU, th and of course [anders]
11:28 < snyke> ok, now let me see if my problem is solved ^^
11:28 < snyke> <-- running "periodic daily"
11:28 -!- NUMA is now known as SMP
11:29 < th> snyke: backup schedules?
11:30 < snyke> no
11:30 < snyke> filesystem checks
11:30 < snyke> security checks..
11:30 < th> ah ok
11:30 < snyke> noramally they are run by cron at 3 AM
11:31 < snyke> ehm
11:31 < snyke> F*ck. :(
11:31 < snyke> Aug 23 11:30:18 cyron sendmail[99254]: g7N9UIot099254: to=root@sharknt.ath.cx, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=32657, relay=sharknt.ath.cx., dsn=5.3.5, stat=Local configuration error
11:31 < snyke> Losing ./qfg7N9UIos099254: savemail panic
11:32 < snyke> savemail: cannot save rejected email anywhere
11:32 < snyke> :(
11:32 < snyke> what means "Local configuration error"?!?!?!
11:32 < th> might be a permission problem
11:32 < th> 8.12.x i suppose?
11:33 < snyke> hm?
11:33 < snyke> sendmail version or what do you mean?
11:35 < th> yes
11:35 < snyke> don't use postfix
11:35 < snyke> ah
11:35 < snyke> sendmail
11:35 < snyke> use postfix
11:36 < snyke> not sendmail :)
11:36 < th> Aug 23 11:30:18 cyron sendmail[99254]: .... hmm well ok ;)
11:36 < [anders]> back
11:36 < snyke> sendmail - Postfix to Sendmail compatibility interface
11:37 < snyke> -> man sendmail :)
11:37 < th> "compatibility"
11:37 < th> sorry but can't help you with postfix issues
11:37 < snyke> no problem
11:37 < snyke> you already worked enough for today :)
11:38 < th> you are kidding ;)
11:38 < th> just got up
11:38 < snyke> hehe
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11:48 < snyke> ROFL
11:48 < snyke> https://fun.drno.de/txt/router.txt
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14:05 < defbla> morning!
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14:20 < thalerim> moin all
14:21 < huebi> hi thalerim
14:22 < huebi> hi th
14:22 < huebi> hi [anders]
14:22 < huebi> hi snyke
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14:29 < snyke> hi huebi
14:30 < huebi> hi snyke. How are you?
14:30 < snyke> well :) thank you
14:30 < huebi> nice.
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14:55 < rolla_> re all
14:56 < huebi> hi rolla
15:23 < [anders]> morrn morrn... (been busy on other displays and screens..)
15:24 < huebi> re [anders]
15:24 < [anders]> re huebi
15:26 * huebi writing the ROCK Linux CodingStyle
15:26 < huebi> Guide
15:27 < [anders]> mmhmmmm..
15:27 * [anders] pondering about creating a ToDo list, but afraid of the possible resulting list..
15:28 < huebi> [anders]: Please do it. Better to have a huge one than none.
15:30 < [anders]> huebi: I know.. was thinking of taking rxr's linux* patch and sitting down, working out what happens where and why and commenting the code..
15:32 < huebi> [anders]: rxr complains about my code (from which I never said it works) and produces even worse code with his patch. sparc64 is broken...
15:33 < [anders]> i have not got hardware to test that I am afraid, but I can try and comment things..
15:34 < [anders]> I think that perhaps the entire tree could do with a clean-up.. but I would prefer to do that _after_ 1.6.0 is released..
15:35 < huebi> [anders]: In one point one could try to say he's right: code duplication.
15:35 < [anders]> A proper code-review and design-review would perhaps aid in making things work better and easier, but getting all people together in one place at one time with enough time to make a difference, will be nigh on impossible
15:36 < [anders]> code duplication is bad.. bash supports functions, so better to break things up..
15:36 < [anders]> for special cases, there is always 'case' to set various special behaviour..
15:36 < huebi> [anders]: `OK make the comments, ask questions in the code. I think we get enough people together to get it easy to understand _and_ therfore to work as expected.
15:37 < [anders]> I will do my best.. do not expect miracles or to have it ready in a few days.. I have problems finding time to do things as is.. It will end up on my to-do list though..
15:38 < huebi> [anders]: OK then I start to work on this code review/redesign/commentation later today.
15:39 < huebi> first I want to have a fist issue of the ROCK Linux Coding Style Guide.
15:40 < [anders]> huebi: the code/design review will be localised to 1.5/1.6 though.. 1.7/2.0 will look completely different. There is nothing wrong with evolving 1.6 and do slow updates to the structure in it though.
15:40 < [anders]> There are some features from 1.7 that we perhaps should be looking at to back-port, but that will take lots of time..
15:41 < [anders]> The Gnome2 tree is now at a point where it works.. If we could unify 1.5.18 with the Gnome2 tree as it stands now, it would be great.
15:42 < [anders]> Perhaps we should get it a bit more tested first.. I took the liberty to change the priority codes of all packages with 030/031 codes..
15:42 < [anders]> all those packages are now sequenced into a known working build sequence.
15:43 < [anders]> i.e. I have built them several times and all ends up in the right order afaict
15:44 < huebi> [anders]: Yes, first only 1.5/1.6. This must get stable first. I want to get backported as less as possible to 1.5 from 1.7. But linux* and the install-disks must get a working design. These are the biggest issues.
15:44 < [anders]> true..
15:44 < [anders]> I was talking to Mike1 about the install disks (fdd image on the CD we use to boot things..) and how we can get more tools available in the install..
15:45 < [anders]> I have been thinking about this and I have talked to people I work with about it..
15:45 < huebi> [anders]: I did some research on install-disk, too.
15:45 < [anders]> One way to do it would be to make the initrd image 8MB or perhaps 12MB when we make the install floppies..
15:45 < [anders]> We only put in it what we put there now..
15:46 < [anders]> Then we make another package with the tools we want later, and put it on the CD..
15:46 < [anders]> In the fdd image, we have enough tools to get to and extract the image on the CD once we have booted..
15:47 < [anders]> That way we can have more tools available at install time..
15:48 < huebi> [anders]: ACK. and we can even change our root completely to that image.
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15:48 < [anders]> Perhaps even make this an option in the Config to build the 'extended' install images. That way people that use machines with limited memory can still build install images that will work for them
15:48 < [anders]> huebi: It can be done that way as well, but that would use more space..
15:49 < [anders]> not much, but perhaps another MB or two on the CD..
15:50 < [anders]> my thought was that a 12MB initrd that is not very full will compress to a small size.. but still leave space when used to extract more tools into..
15:50 < huebi> You can even boot a 8MB i386/25MHz with a loopback mounted rootfs with big size (>20MB>
15:50 < [anders]> all we will need to do is add a boot option to the kernel on the CD stating the size of the initrd we will use..
15:51 < [anders]> I was thinking as well of using hdd images on the CD to boot from to get bigger size and more space, but very few bioses would work wioth this..
15:53 < huebi> Therefore fdd images are needed to boot
15:53 < [anders]> yes..
15:53 < [anders]> a 2.88 mb fdd image is getting very crampred..
15:53 < huebi> even 4MB of ram and some swap should work.
15:54 < huebi> I make a test ISO-Image tomorrow. Perhaps I get it today but I don't think so.
15:55 < [anders]> ok.. :)
15:55 * [anders] has to go and do some work now.. busy day and lots to get done before I leave at 5pm..
15:55 < [anders]> only two hours to go..
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15:59 < huebi> [anders]: It's friday. So really stop then working. ;-))
16:00 < huebi> So really stop working then. <- correct?
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16:18 < Mike1> Hi all
16:18 < th> hi mike
16:19 < huebi> hi Mike1
16:19 < Mike1> huebi: are you interested in upgrading to Gnome2?
16:21 < huebi> Mike1: I better like it as an extension which is per default on the install CD
16:21 < huebi> Gnome 1.4 seems to be much more stable.
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16:22 < holyolli> moin
16:22 < huebi> hi holyolli
16:22 < holyolli> huhu huebi
16:22 < rolla_> Mike1
16:23 < Mike1> huebi: ok, anyways i was hoping you have had a look at our ( anders and i) tree with gnome2 is pretty stable
16:24 < holyolli> hola Mike1
16:24 < Mike1> but if you wish to have it as an extension we will see how we handle it :)
16:24 < Mike1> rolla_: whats up?
16:24 < Mike1> holyolli: hola como estas?
16:24 < holyolli> muy bien. i tu?
16:25 < Mike1> muy bien gracias holyolli
16:25 < holyolli> .oO(was "i tu" something like "and you...?")
16:25 < Mike1> holyolli: s/i tu/y tu
16:25 < Mike1> yes it is like and you
16:25 < Mike1> :)
16:25 < holyolli> :)
16:26 < holyolli> has anybody vmware running under rocklinux?=
16:26 < Mike1> holyolli: yes i do
16:26 < Mike1> and SMP does as well
16:27 < holyolli> how did you manage it not to run the "vmware-config.pl"-script every reboot? (so which devices must be present at bootup?)
16:27 < holyolli> i linked "misc/vmmon" to /dev/vmmon
16:27 < holyolli> and what needs to? those parallel-printer-stuff?
16:27 < holyolli> s/those/this
16:28 < Mike1> holyolli: you need put those files under a tarball somewhere else than dev
16:29 < Mike1> and make a script to load them from the tarvall everytime you bootup
16:29 < Mike1> tarvall/tarball
16:30 < holyolli> ah. so which files did you took? parport[0..x] and vmnet[0..x]?
16:30 < Mike1> yup, all the ones created by vmware-config.pl
16:31 < holyolli> i c
16:31 < holyolli> and how did you link tty0,tty7 and tty8? tty0 -> /dev/console - okay. but tty[7..8] has to be linked to the actual pts/-device
16:32 < Mike1> rxr: awake?
16:34 < Mike1> i had to tweak around some files under /etc
16:34 < Mike1> mom i look for it it was a long time ago
16:34 < holyolli> thx
16:37 < Mike1> holyolli: did you try /etc/devfsd.conf ?
16:37 < holyolli> yes. but i don't know from there to link to tty8
16:37 < Mike1> bye adding: REGISTER .* MKOLDCOMPAT
16:37 < holyolli> hm.
16:38 < holyolli> okay.
16:38 < huebi> Mike1: Argh. Then all the old dev's are in /dev
16:38 < holyolli> i thought where was a nicer way
16:38 < holyolli> because i just need one device... =)
16:39 < Mike1> holyolli: i think there was something else but i do not remember as i made it quite a long ago :(
16:39 < holyolli> ah o.k.
16:39 < Mike1> huebi: have you test anything else?
16:39 < holyolli> then i'll go on someone's other nerves... ;-))
16:39 < Mike1> holyolli: perhaps it will come back to my mind soon or late :)
16:39 < holyolli> okay
16:39 < holyolli> :)
16:39 < Mike1> holyolli: ask SMP he's the one that helped me the first time
16:39 < holyolli> okay
16:40 < Mike1> holyolli: sorry i couldnt help more than that
16:40 < holyolli> no prob ;)
16:48 < huebi> Mike1: I did test the xfs patches on 2.4.19. Now I need a linux* working and then I go on to test the new install-disks
16:48 < Mike1> huebi: very nice >_<
16:48 < Mike1> huebi: anything i can help with ?
16:50 < huebi> Mike1: Not in the momnet. But in a few hours. I start the redesign of linux* now.
16:51 < Mike1> huebi: good, count on me when you are doing that :)
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17:00 < Mike1> brb
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17:26 < d3mian> re
17:28 < holyolli> hi d3mian
17:28 < d3mian> hola holyolli
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18:41 < Mike1> re
18:41 < holyolli> re Mike1
18:42 < d3mian> re Mike1
18:43 < Mike1> d3mian: you finally here
18:43 < Mike1> are you joining me to Tratagua this afternoon?
18:43 < d3mian> sure
18:44 < Mike1> d3mian: excellent
18:44 < d3mian> i have to go to the bank and take my id card
18:44 < Mike1> please dont be pissed of if it take me a bit to answer i am jumping around my workspaces and consoles, i am very busy today >_<
18:44 < d3mian> now i debt 60 colones
18:45 < Mike1> lol
18:45 < d3mian> k
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19:21 < Mike1> hi snyke
19:22 < snyke> hi
19:22 < snyke> high
19:45 < d3mian> cya later
19:45 < holyolli> cu d3mian
19:45 < huebi> cu d3mian
19:46 < d3mian> sidja huys
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19:50 < huebi> tach tsa
19:50 < tsa> tag
19:50 < tsa> hi huebi
19:50 < holyolli> huhu tsa
19:50 < tsa> nen (l)olli..
19:50 < holyolli> tesa( power strip)...
19:50 < tsa> nicht fuer dich..
19:51 < tsa> ;)
19:51 < holyolli> ker
19:51 < holyolli> schade auch
19:51 < tsa> ?
19:51 < tsa> ah
19:51 < holyolli> für wen denn? meine webcam?
19:51 < tsa> nack.
19:51 < tsa> du musst nicht alles wissen.
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19:51 < tsa> hi netcrow
19:51 < holyolli> hehe
19:51 * holyolli wüsste da wen
19:51 < huebi> for owl!
19:51 < holyolli> hi netcrow
19:51 < huebi> hi netcrow
19:51 < netcrow> hi
19:52 < holyolli> tsa: warste diese woche schon essen? ;-)
19:52 < tsa> nope.
19:52 < tsa> .oO( !maul )
19:52 < tsa> ;)
19:52 < holyolli> hehe
19:52 < tsa> huebi: owl? nee...
19:52 < holyolli> .oO(volltreffer!)
19:54 < tsa> holyolli: was machen die rechner?
19:55 < holyolli> komisches.
19:55 < tsa> hm?
19:55 < tsa> alle verblitzt?
19:55 < holyolli> mach ca. 10 mal an- und ausschalten, bzw. resetten tut er erstmal wieder...will mal wissen, was das schon wieder ist
19:55 < holyolli> und vor allem, ob das immer so ist
19:55 < tsa> hm..
19:55 < holyolli> oder ob da nun viel putt ist
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19:59 < thaly^dialog> re all
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20:06 < Mike1> re
20:06 < tsa> hi thalerim
20:06 < tsa> hi bluefire
20:06 < tsa> hi Mike1
20:06 < bluefire> hi folks
20:08 < Mike1> como estas tsa?
20:09 < tsa> bien, gracias. y tu?
20:09 < Mike1> muy bien tambien :)
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20:19 < rxr> 984 builds total, 440 completed fine, 58 with errors.
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20:19 < owl> hi
20:19 < tsa> tag owl.
20:20 < huebi> hi owl.
20:20 < rolla_> Owl
20:20 < owl> hi tsa, huebi, rolla_
20:20 < tsa> .oO( warum eigentlich ~mail-spam@ .. ?)
20:20 < huebi> what makes your /dev/coffee?
20:20 < owl> *ggg*
20:20 < tsa> huebi: MKOLDCOMPAT?
20:20 < tsa> should be /dev/drinks/coffee ..
20:20 < tsa> ;)
20:21 < huebi> hehe
20:21 < owl> huebi: what makes rock-1.5.18 on my k6 machine???
20:21 < tsa> owl: segfault?
20:21 < owl> not working... killing me with asm...
20:21 < owl> tsa: hm. kernel compiling --> asm...
20:22 < owl> tsa: and gcc 2.95.3 --> asm
20:22 < huebi> owl: _exact_ error?
20:22 < owl> huebi: it's chagning on every compile
20:23 < tsa> hardware failure.
20:23 < tsa> or owl failure.
20:23 < tsa> ;)
20:23 < owl> huebi: i'm trying to build 1.5.18 using 1.5.16 (where i can compile without any failures... ) and build 1.5.18 with k6 opt. there..
20:23 < owl> tsa: i guess it could be rock-1.5.18-on-k6-failure... ;)
20:24 < tsa> owl: hm...
20:24 < tsa> i'd say it's a layer-8-problem..
20:25 < owl> tonight i tried it the first time... (building 1.5.18... and it compiled about 2 hours... withnout any asm, errors, warnings... - but then: aborted...)
20:25 < owl> (manually done by myself)
20:25 < owl> tsa: doesn't sound like a HW problem, does it?
20:26 < huebi> owl: can you try i386?
20:26 < tsa> owl: who knows..
20:26 < owl> huebi: /usr/include/asm should be a symlink to /usr/src/linux/include/linux and /usr/include/linux should be a symlink to /usr/src/include/linux/ shouldn't it?
20:27 < owl> huebi: i have just isdn...
20:27 < tsa> owl: i think a layer-8-problem is more probable.
20:27 < owl> but...
20:27 < owl> tsa: layer-8-problem? what exactly does it mean?
20:27 < huebi> owl. no, it shouldn't. It must be directories.
20:27 < owl> huebi: but... where's the URL to the iso?
20:27 < owl> huebi: ok.
20:28 < owl> thx
20:28 < tsa> owl: ask holyolli...he's better at explaining such things to others..
20:28 < owl> tsa: oki. :) i will annoy him ... ;P
20:29 < huebi> /usr/include/{asm,linux} must be directories. If they are symlinks worse things will happen
20:29 < owl> huebi: ok. they are directories...
20:29 < tsa> [tsa@azathoth ~]$ file /usr/include/asm
20:29 < holyolli> reeee
20:29 < tsa> /usr/include/asm: symbolic link to ../src/linux/include/asm
20:29 < tsa> [tsa@azathoth ~]$ file /usr/include/linux
20:29 < tsa> /usr/include/linux: symbolic link to ../src/linux/include/linux
20:29 < huebi> tsa: fix it ;-)
20:29 < tsa> huebi: it is fixed.
20:30 < huebi> https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/view/3.3/chapter05/kernel.html <- here the explanation
20:32 < huebi> ________________________________
20:32 < huebi> < Tsa. You should better fix it. >
20:32 < huebi> --------------------------------
20:32 < huebi> \ ^__^
20:32 < huebi> \ (oo)\_______
20:32 < huebi> (__)\ )\/\
20:32 < huebi> ||----w |
20:32 < huebi> || ||
20:35 < tsa> ==/ ==/
20:36 < huebi> tsa: Hae? ;-)
20:36 < tsa> shoes for mathilda ;-)
20:36 < huebi> *LOOOL*
20:38 < tsa> owl: layer 8:
20:38 < tsa> https://pub50.ezboard.com/fzlistfrm7.showNextMessage?topicID=34.topic
20:39 < tsa> summary: you can't cook coffee and want to use a computer? *G*
20:39 < tsa> *tiefduck*
20:40 < owl> tsa: eh! shut up!
20:40 < tsa> hihi ;)
20:40 < owl> /ignore tsa
20:41 < tsa> ROTFL
20:41 < tsa> fortune regel.t
20:41 < tsa> Memory fault -- core...uh...um...core... Oh dammit, I forget!
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20:58 < owl> re Mike1
21:00 < Mike1> hi owl
21:44 * owl leaves you now.
21:45 < holyolli> cu owl
21:45 < owl> gn8. cu
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21:54 < thalerim> sooo ... email and patchset is sent to Dickey.. soon dialog will have an --inputmenu option :-)
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21:59 < k3j9o7y3i> hmmm..
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22:00 < rolla_> grrr sendmail
22:00 < tsa> ...rulez
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22:08 < tsa> re snyke
22:08 < tsa> rolla_: what's your problem with sendmail?
22:11 < rolla_> relay crap
22:11 < rolla_> it won't relay throught the right box
22:12 < tsa> do you want a smarthost for all mail traffic?
22:12 < tsa> or just for some domains?
22:14 < rolla_> smarthost
22:14 < tsa> that's easy.
22:14 < rolla_> I have DSstlntx2.ugs.com
22:15 < tsa> edit /etc/sendmail.cf and look for a line starting with DS
22:15 < tsa> just put the hostname of your smarthost behind it
22:15 < tsa> (without space)
22:15 < tsa> DSmysmarthost.domain.com
22:15 < rolla_> yeah I have that
22:16 < tsa> that's it.
22:16 < rolla_> but it still sends toanother server
22:16 < tsa> HUH?
22:16 < rolla_> but I cannot find why this is true
22:16 < rolla_> okay say I do a cat /etc/hosts | /usr/lib/sendmail emailaddress
22:16 < rolla_> in /var/log/syslog
22:17 < rolla_> I see relay=<notthe_machine_I want>
22:17 < tsa> 1 see.
22:17 < tsa> hm.
22:17 < rolla_> and it does not ever go trought the right machine
22:17 < th> rolla_: is it sending to appropriate MXes?
22:17 < tsa> $ sendmail -bt
22:17 < tsa> /parse mail@address.com
22:18 < tsa> what does "mailer" say in the last line of that?
22:19 < rolla_> it has the right server there
22:20 < tsa> checked your mailertable for any entries?
22:20 < rolla_> mailertable ???
22:21 < rolla_> was ist das ?
22:21 < tsa> look for Kmailertable in the cf
22:21 < tsa> # Mailer table (overriding domains)
22:21 < tsa> Kmailertable hash -o /etc/mail/mailertable
22:22 < th> i stopped punishing myself as i learned about qmail ;)
22:22 < tsa> hehe
22:22 < tsa> ok.
22:22 < rolla_> Kmailertable ? no such
22:23 < tsa> ok, so your sendmail doesn
22:23 < tsa> 't use this feature
22:23 < rolla_> dang
22:23 < rolla_> I am going to lose my mind over this
22:23 < tsa> hehe
22:23 < rolla_> I have the batbook here and it is no help :(
22:23 < th> qmail's simplicity is impressive
22:24 < rolla_> I have seen qmail too . I don't like the creator of it
22:24 < tsa> djb..
22:24 < tsa> hehe.
22:24 < th> hehe
22:24 < th> so continue punishing yourself with bind and sendmail ;)
22:24 < huebi> djb? hehe
22:24 < tsa> writer of secure software..
22:24 < rolla_> there is nothing wrong with bind I like bind
22:25 < tsa> with a syntax nobody can remember..
22:25 < rolla_> tsa: is there any other debug commands to see why this is going to the wrong machine
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22:26 < tsa> rolla_: you could look at the mailer section in your .cf and see if there are some very strange mailer definitions..
22:26 < rolla_> okay
22:26 < rolla_> thanks
22:27 < tsa> esp. Msmtp and Mesmtp
22:27 < tsa> (very strange, anyway)
22:27 < rolla_> I ran sendmail with some of the -d command and it seemed like everything should go to the right server :(
22:29 < rolla_> tsa is there something else I could use instead of smarthost to send everything to one relay ?
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22:30 * th just loves qmails smtproutes... mydomain:myserver and mail for domain goes to that server ;)
22:30 < tsa> hm... i don't know if mailertable entries overrride DS ..
22:32 < tsa> you could try to put an entry in your mailertable for every domain you're using..
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22:32 < tsa> domain.com smtp:[mail.has.to.go.here.com]
22:34 < tsa> th: i still prefer sendmail because i don't have any experience with qmail (except some basics)
22:34 < tsa> never tried postfix, though
22:34 < th> tsa: i had none as well ;)
22:34 < th> tsa: there is a #qmail
22:34 < th> tsa: and you know google ;)
22:35 < tsa> th: i can even read README's ;-)
22:35 < tsa> i'll sure have a closer look when i have some more spare time, but i'm just too busy ATM ..
22:38 < tsa> /usr/bin/ldd: ./Star_Office_6_linux.bin: Text file busy
22:38 < tsa> WTF?
22:39 < th> interesting
22:39 < th> able to copy it?
22:39 < rxr> tsa: this abbreviation is forbidden ...
22:39 < th> rxr: not really ;)
22:40 < tsa> rxr: can reproduce.
22:40 < th> rxr: but it's just unpolite when commenting foreign code
22:40 < tsa> never saw this before
22:40 < tsa> Star_Office_6_linux.bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
22:40 < th> tsa: i mean: can you cp the file...
22:40 < theogenis> tsa: it's time to use google
22:41 < theogenis> tsa: but don't forget to tell what the cause is... am interesting anyway :-)
22:41 < tsa> hehe
22:41 < tsa> [tsa@azathoth ~]$ cp Star_Office_6_linux.bin /tmp/
22:41 < tsa> [tsa@azathoth ~]$
22:41 < theogenis> s,interesting,interested,
22:41 < th> tsa: ldd the /tmp/ version of it
22:41 < tsa> no problem
22:42 < tsa> huh?
22:42 < tsa> works
22:42 < tsa> this is strange
22:42 < tsa> th: what's causing this?
22:42 < th> tsa: well execution seems to write-lock the file...
22:43 < th> tsa: but i can't see a reason why execution might READ-lock a file
22:43 < tsa> but i've not yet tried to execute it...
22:43 < th> anyways it was not read-locked
22:43 < th> because you could copy it
22:43 < th> tsa: ohhh
22:43 < th> strange
22:43 < th> noexec mounted partition?
22:44 < tsa> nope.
22:44 < tsa> rw,nosuid, but it's not suid
22:44 < tsa> perms 755
22:44 < huebi> n8
22:44 < theogenis> gn8 huebi
22:45 < tsa> cu huebi
22:46 < tsa> hm..interesting
22:46 < tsa> ldd spawns a child process that actually tries to execve() the file
22:47 < th> that was what i thought why +x would be required
22:47 < theogenis> maybe it uses a kind of wrapper?
22:48 < tsa> no, the file is an ELF object.
22:49 < th> ahhh
22:49 < th> hmm
22:49 < th> no
22:49 < theogenis> *?*
22:49 < th> nothin'
22:50 < tsa> objdump -x works
22:50 < tsa> hm..linked with glibc 2.1
22:53 < rolla_> tsa did you have an answer for me ?? I missed if you did
22:53 < tsa> mom
22:53 < tsa> <tsa> hm... i don't know if mailertable entries overrride DS ..
22:53 < tsa> <tsa> you could try to put an entry in your mailertable for every domain you're using..
22:54 < tsa> (which means creating a new cf if you don't currently use mailertable
22:54 < tsa> )
22:55 < tsa> aaah!
22:55 < tsa> got it.
22:56 < tsa> another process still had the file opened..
22:56 < tsa> lsof know everything ;)
22:58 < rolla_> yeah I don't use a mailertable
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23:22 < tsa> np: Sarah McLachlan - Gloomy Sunday ..
23:23 * theogenis is listening to Eisregen - Deutschland in Flammen
23:25 < tsa> Beim ersten XP-Start verschreckt das System mit einer allzu bunten Oberfläche, die offensichtlich dem XP-Theme von KDE nachempfunden wurde. Glücklicherweise lässt sich die Darstellung so anpassen, dass XP das gleiche Look & Feel wie ein älteres Linux-System mit dem Window Manager fvwm95 bietet.
23:25 < tsa> *ROTFLOL*
23:26 < theogenis> linux user
23:26 < tsa> https://www.linux-user.de/ausgabe/2002/09/085-xp-test/index.html <- lol
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23:31 < tsa> who is Peer? And why does he reset other people's connections?
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23:32 < tsa> ;-)
23:32 * holyolli holt mal grad die bartwickelmaschine raus
23:32 < holyolli> *suurrrrrrrrrrr*
23:32 < tsa> jaja
23:32 < holyolli> .oO(boah is der lang)
23:32 < holyolli> ;-)
23:32 < WKaibigan2> He is a very naughty boy.
23:32 < tsa> $ fortune
23:32 < tsa> USER, n.:
23:32 < tsa> The word computer professionals use when they mean "idiot."
23:32 < tsa> -- Dave Barry, "Claw Your Way to the Top"
23:33 < holyolli> hehe
23:33 < holyolli> .oO(it seems as if tsa is a little bit bored.. ;-)
23:33 < holyolli> tsa: go and download the internet...
23:35 < tsa> holyolli: that's too much data, but it would would be a lot easier if you could burn me a copy of your porn cd collection..
23:35 < holyolli> tsa: really? all 17000 CDs?
23:35 < tsa> sure.
23:36 < tsa> especially those showing you ;-)
23:36 < theogenis> "Gib mal Butter zu de Fisch"
23:36 < holyolli> hehe
23:37 < tsa> hehe
23:37 < holyolli> bbl - rebooting and flying around a little bit ;)
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23:56 < tsa> echo $?
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