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00:15 < owl> re
00:16 < thalerim> re owl
00:16 < owl> hi thalerim
00:29 < tsa> hm...
00:29 < tsa> anyone using evolution?
00:30 < huebi> no
00:31 < tsa> hm..
00:31 < Mike1> yep
00:31 < tsa> it generates broken msg-id's
00:31 < tsa> Message-Id: <1030228151.5563.0.camel@azathoth>
00:31 < tsa> should be a fqdn after @
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00:49 < uniplex> how well does rpm work with rocklinux?
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00:51 < holyolli> uniplex: maybe that it works - but do you really want to use it...? ;-)
00:51 < uniplex> heh, what about bitchx, is it in the distro?
00:52 < uniplex> I'm doing the package selection now
00:52 < Mike1> uniplex: why would you wanna use rpm?
00:52 < holyolli> why don't you simply use the tgz of the program?
00:52 < uniplex> I was just wondering because I have about 20 mandrake discs
00:52 < Mike1> uniplex: no its not but you can download it and compile it
00:52 < uniplex> yeah ok ty
00:53 < uniplex> I don't see window maker in there either but it's only about a 5mb dl I think
00:53 < Mike1> rpm wil never be better then tar.gz
00:54 < Mike1> uniplex: those are extension packages
00:54 < uniplex> is there another iso I can use with this one?
00:54 < Mike1> you can build it :)
00:54 < uniplex> I'll install wmaker myself it's no biggy
00:55 < Mike1> good
00:55 < uniplex> and btw, I make my own rpms from source, then let rpm do the package management
00:55 * Mike1 wonders why wouldnt huebi include stable gnome2 on the base 
00:56 < Mike1> uniplex: mmmm we rather rpm2cpio if you really cant use tbz2
00:56 < uniplex> :)
00:57 < uniplex> im ssh'ed into the comp doing the install, the install is from a nfs server with a mounted iso file :)
00:58 < Mike1> nice
00:58 < Mike1> uniplex: you were a mandrake user before rock right?
00:58 < uniplex> I use a combo of mandrake and slack
00:58 < Mike1> what made you make such a great change?
00:58 < uniplex> the comp doing the install is running slack and my www server runs slack
00:59 < Mike1> i mean rock sure is vcery different
00:59 < Mike1> uniplex: you should use rock for the servers it sure runs very stable
00:59 < uniplex> yes, I wanted to try a compile source and picked rock over lfs or gentoo
00:59 < Mike1> Excellent choice
00:59 < uniplex> I will consider that, the server is a little ole p133 32mb ram box
00:59 < Mike1> :)
00:59 < uniplex> :)
01:00 < Mike1> uniplex: rock is not like mandrake, it will run very nicely on that box
01:00 < uniplex> yeah I bet it will
01:01 < Mike1> i know it will :)
01:01 < uniplex> I selected all the packages so what do I do next?
01:01 < uniplex> howto install them?
01:01 < Mike1> run install :)
01:01 < uniplex> how do I get out of the package selection?
01:02 < uniplex> oh I got it
01:02 < Mike1> you are using menu?
01:02 < uniplex> escape
01:02 < Mike1> ESC
01:02 < Mike1> yup
01:02 < uniplex> yeah was
01:03 < uniplex> im done in menu I think, do escape again to go back to install shell?
01:04 < Mike1> i think there was an option to do that
01:04 < uniplex> quit?
01:04 < Mike1> yes
01:04 < Mike1> :)
01:04 < Mike1> anyways when you wanna select everything
01:04 < Mike1> simply run select */*
01:05 < Mike1> no need to go to menu
01:05 < Mike1> then run install
01:08 < uniplex> list-(un)sel [pattern]  ...  List (not) selected packages
01:09 < uniplex> list-sel ?
01:09 < uniplex> who is that used?
01:09 < uniplex> lol
01:09 < uniplex> how is that used?
01:12 * uniplex installing
01:13 < uniplex> I can't imagine compiling this on a p133 though, what you think, about 2 weeks?
01:15 < huebi> uniplex: ~4-6 days
01:15 < uniplex> muahHAhahHAa
01:17 < huebi> uniplex: don't ask for compile times for the mips port... ;-)
01:21 < uniplex> is that what you use?
01:21 < uniplex> im doing this on a 2g p4
01:22 < huebi> no, I use a dual AMD Athlon XP1800+ and a SUN UltraSparcII Ultra 30 / 300MHz
01:23 < uniplex> nice
01:23 < Mike1> huebi: i made some changes on scripts/Check have a look at the changelog
01:24 < huebi> Mike1: Great, thank you.
01:25 < Mike1> huebi: as it was broken
01:25 < huebi> uniplex: The U30 needs about 35h
01:25 < Mike1> i should say thanks to owl for reporting the bug :)
01:30 < Mike1> anyone here with experience on cisco routers?
01:31 * holyolli in some parts...
01:31 < tsa> Mike1: what kind of cisco router?
01:31 < tsa> (no 700, please ;)
01:32 < Mike1> tsa: 4500
01:32 < tsa> hm..ok, i guess that one's big enough..
01:32 < Mike1> :)
01:32 < Mike1> why you want a 700 or 800 ?
01:32 < tsa> 80x is ok, but 70x doesn't even run IOS..
01:33 < tsa> ..but something else (awful)
01:33 < Mike1> hehe never tyed anything small than 800
01:38 < uniplex> where is the setup script at?
01:38 < uniplex> I did the install already
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01:50 < Mike1> uniplex: /etc/setup.d/
01:51 < uniplex> ight coo
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01:55 < uniplex> I guess I run 00-general
01:55 < owl> wb d3mian
01:56 < Mike1> o_O d3mian>
01:56 < Mike1> ??
02:01 < uniplex> im stuck already on keyboard mapping, the file wasn't found either
02:02 < tsa> you need a symlink
02:03 < tsa>  /etc/default.keymap
02:03 < tsa> -> /usr/share/keymaps/i386/......
02:06 < uniplex> ln -s /etc/default.keymap /usr/share/keymaps/i386/ ?
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02:11 < uniplex> this must not be for me
02:13 < Mike1> ?
02:14 < uniplex> I can't install it
02:15 < Mike1> ?
02:15 < Mike1> whats wrong?
02:16 < Mike1> maybe i could help you
02:16 < uniplex> I guess I'm supposed to run 00-general setup then it can't find the keyboard mappings
02:16 < Mike1> mm...
02:20 < uniplex> after install is it bootable? maybe that is the problem?
02:20 < Mike1> just do ln -s /etc/default.keymap /usr/share/keymaps/i386/
02:20 < holyolli> linus:~$ ll /etc/default.keymap
02:20 < holyolli> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           59 May 24 20:45 /etc/default.keymap -> /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwertz/de-latin1-nodeadkeys.kmap.gz
02:20 < tsa> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           59 Oct 24  2001 /etc/default.keymap -> /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwertz/de-latin1-nodeadkeys.kmap.gz
02:20 < tsa> ;)
02:21 < holyolli> *lol*
02:21 < Mike1> haha
02:21 < uniplex> am I supposed to boot the system after install is done?
02:22 < Mike1> uniplex: of course
02:23 < tsa> ..after doing some basic configuration
02:23 < uniplex> what basic configuration?
02:23 < holyolli> tsa: hey...we both installed our systems on the 24th ;-)
02:24 < tsa> holyolli: nope, my symlink was modified afterwards.
02:24 < tsa> [tsa@azathoth ~]$ ls -l /etc/ROCK-LINUX
02:24 < tsa> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root           43 Apr 28  2001 /etc/ROCK-LINUX
02:24 < holyolli> ah
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02:25 < Mike1> see you
02:25 < tsa> cu Mike1
02:25 < holyolli> cya Mike1
02:25 < Mike1> see you pals
02:25 < uniplex> is anyone going to help me?
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02:26 < tsa> hm...
02:26 < holyolli> <-- is still working... :-(
02:26 < tsa> i don't know the location of the current 1.5 install docs.
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02:26 < tsa> basically, you have to chroot into the new system
02:27 < holyolli> http://rocklinux.dyndns.org/
02:27 < tsa> hm..
02:27 < tsa> he left.
02:27 < tsa> admn
02:27 < tsa> damn
02:27 < tsa> wie war das doch gleich
02:27 < tsa> chroot
02:27 < tsa> kernel bauen + lilo
02:27 < tsa> keymap
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02:27 < tsa> ah
02:27 < uniplex> btw fuck you
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02:27 < tsa> huh?
02:27 < holyolli> wasn opfer
02:28 < tsa> was war das denn jetzt?
02:29 < holyolli> keine ahnung
02:30 < tsa> komische leute gibt's ..
02:30 < holyolli> definitiv.
02:30 < owl> hm. es gibt komische und es gibt uniplex, oder wie war das? *gruebel*
02:31 < tsa> keine ahnung. war der schonmal hier?
02:31 < owl> ich glaube nicht
02:31 < tsa> hm..
02:31 < tsa> .oO( gute kandidat fuer die liste der leute, von denen ich mir wuensche, dass sie vielleicht doch besser gentoo installieren ;-)
02:31 < owl> wahrscheinlich war der das erste und letzte mal hier... denke ich mal so spontan
02:32 < owl> hehe ;))) warum denn? ;)
02:32 < tsa> naja, mit der einstellung kann man sich ja freuen, wenn der weg ist und uns in ruhe laesst.
02:32 < tsa> wir sind ja alle gerne bereit zu helfen, aber so...
02:32 < owl> ;))) stimmt auch wieder...
02:33 < owl> ein "fuck you" zum schluss... freut einen doch...
02:33 < tsa> jo
02:33 < tsa> holyolli: fuck you
02:33 < tsa> *grins*
02:33 < owl> tja. ein "mensch/tier/kreatur/was-auch-immer" der besonders intelligenten art...
02:33 < holyolli> tsa: auch ja....
02:33 * holyolli bückt sich mal grad für tsa
02:34 < tsa> hehe. opfer
02:35 < owl> spinner, alle beide... :P
02:35 < owl> *duck*
02:35 < holyolli> jo!
02:36 < holyolli> tsa?
02:36 < owl> hm... den hat's vom stuhl gehaun...
02:36 < holyolli> näää - das muss man anders machen
02:36 < owl> wie???
02:36 < holyolli> tsa: nicht poppen! komm zurück an die tastatur
02:36 < holyolli> owl: das bleibt mein geheimnis ;)
02:37 < owl> holyolli: tstststs... raus damit... sprech dich aus... :PPPP
02:37 < tsa> ?
02:37 < owl> tsa: nix. ;P
02:37 < tsa> .oO( verschwoerung )
02:37 < owl> tsa: haste gerade deine katze gelyncht?
02:37 < tsa> noe.
02:37 < holyolli> tsa: schau mal: *seifehinschmeiss*
02:37 < holyolli> LOS! BÜCK DICH!
02:37 < tsa> was laestert ihr hier rum?
02:37 < owl> hm. keine katze frisch vom spiess?
02:38 < owl> tsa: nix. wir sind doch immer brav ;P
02:38 < tsa> .oO( ist da irgendetwas zwischen euch, wovon ich bisher nichts weiss? *wunder* )
02:38 < holyolli> nein.
02:38 < owl> tsa: *lol* ja. die isdn-leitung
02:38 < tsa> .oO( lange leitung.. )
02:39 < owl> tsa: jo. sicher.
02:39 * owl hoert: blutengel - soul of ice
02:39 < owl> ^^^^ genial
02:40 < tsa> * owl hoert: blutengel - soul of ice
02:40 < tsa> <owl> ^^^^ genial
02:40 < tsa> hm..
02:40 < owl> tsa: waas?
02:40 < tsa> warum packst du die ^^^ unter "hoert" ?
02:41 < tsa> hoeren ist genial?
02:41 < owl> bezog sich auf das gesamt-oben-geschriebene... :P
02:41 < owl> sicher. nicht hoeren waere mein tod.
02:41 < tsa> macht nix. hoerend stirbst du trotzdem.
02:41 < tsa> ;)
02:41 < owl> tsa: who know's? ;) wie ist das denn bei aliens?
02:41 < owl> :PPP
02:42 < tsa> keine ahnung, hab bisher keinen getroffen..
02:42 < owl> tsa: sicher... mich... ;P
02:42 < owl> nur bin ich bisher ned gestorben
02:42 < tsa> neee...
02:42 < owl> tsa: was denn?
02:43 < tsa> du hast dich ja schon als weiblich geoutet, da muss man ja mit allem rechnen..
02:43 < tsa> *duck*
02:43 < owl> *ggg* stimmt.
02:44 < holyolli> .oO(wenn gott wollte, dass frauen den computer benutzen, wäre der bluescreen rosa...)
02:44 < holyolli> ;-)
02:44 < owl> pass nur auf... vielleicht oute ich mich als weiblicher, amoklaufendes alien.... *vbeg*
02:44 < holyolli> *schonmalindeckunggeh
02:44 < holyolli> *
02:44 < owl> holyolli: woher weisst du das so genau?
02:44 < owl> holyolli: in deinem fruheren leben mit gott darueber gesprochen?
02:44 < holyolli> owl: schau auf meinen nick. eingebung, weisst du.
02:44 < tsa> hm..
02:44 < owl> holyolli: jaja... einblidung ist auch eine bildung
02:45 * tsa lehnt sich mal zurueck und guckt holyolli und owl beim flirten zu...
02:45 < tsa> ;-))
02:45 < holyolli> nein. in meinem jetztigen
02:45 < holyolli> tsa: *schlapp*
02:45 < owl> tsa: *mitarmybootstret*
02:45 < holyolli> owl: und ausserdem habe ich eingebund und nicht einbildung geschrieben, aber wer lesen kann.... du weisst schon
02:46 < tsa> .oO( dumm nur, genau da jetzt nen Tippfehler zu machen.. *GGG* )
02:46 < owl> holyolli: jaja... und ich meine trotzdem einbildung... weil du dich traust das wort "eingebung" zu verwenden...
02:46 < holyolli> tsa: das ist egal - wenn sie nicht richtig lesen kann, brauche ich auch nicht richtig zu tippen ;_)
02:46 < tsa> holyolli: hm...dann brauchst du eigentlich gar nichts zu tippen...
02:46 < owl> holyolli: *ggg*
02:46 * owl gibt auf
02:47 * holyolli schreibt weiter...
02:47 < owl> tsa: dafuer muesste man denken konennen um das zu begreifen...
02:47 < tsa> holyolli: nu hast du es geschafft, jetzt kannst du mit der Seife weitermachen..
02:47 < tsa> ;)
02:47 < holyolli> o.k.
02:47 < holyolli> *nocheineseitefürtsaaufdenbodenschmeiss*
02:48 < tsa> a) Seife, nicht Seite.
02:48 < tsa> b) nicht ich habe aufgegeben, sonder owl..
02:48 < owl> :PPP
02:52 < owl> holyolli, tsa: hat das Check-script einen fehler bei ftp (beim verwenden eines proxys)?
02:53 < tsa> owl: ja.
02:53 < owl> tsa: oh schande... :-///
02:53 < owl> wie komme ich dann an die packages...?
02:53 < tsa> mike1 meinte zumindest vorhin sowas, dass dir das aufgefallen waere und das das wohl wirklich so ist..
02:53 < owl> hmm... schande
02:54 < tsa> owl: frag doch holyolli, ob er sie dir vorbeibringt.. ;)
02:55 < owl> tsa: was soll denn diese anspielung?!!!
02:56 < tsa> ach, du weisst doch: je staerker der protest, desto dichter an der wahrheit.... *duck*
02:56 < owl> *tsaaufdenmondschiess*
02:56 < tsa> .oO( es klappt ..)
02:56 < owl> *gggggggggggggg*
02:56 < owl> absicht
02:57 < tsa> na, da wird sich holyolli aber freuen.. ;)
02:58 < owl> tsa: jaja... bla :P
02:58 < tsa> holyolli: wenn sie dir kaffee macht, hast du es geschafft ;)
02:59 < owl> tsa: *loooooooool*
03:00 < owl> hmm.... "blutengel" mach/t/en gute musik..
03:00 < tsa> ack
03:00 < owl> tsa: kennst du???
03:00 < holyolli> mv holyolli /dev/bed
03:00 < tsa> [tsa@azathoth ~]$ locate Blutengel|wc -l
03:00 < tsa>      32
03:00 < tsa> sicher.
03:00 < holyolli> bis später
03:00 < tsa> holyolli: vergiss owl nicht..
03:00 < owl> g8 holyolli
03:01 < owl> tsa: ruhe!
03:01 < tsa> hahaha
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03:01 < owl> tsa: du solltest mal den inhalt deiner HD irgendwie aehm... backuppen... :)))
03:02 < tsa> hm....bei inzwischen 15gb mp3s ist das nicht mehr so ganz einfach..
03:02 * tsa will nen dlt-laufwerk
03:03 < owl> 15 GB mp3s!!!
03:03 * owl faellt tot um
03:03 < tsa> hm..
03:03 < owl> fuer was denn ein dlt-lw?
03:04 < tsa> zum backuppen..
03:04 < tsa> weil /me hat hier ueberhaupt keine backup-loesung..
03:04 < owl> hmhm. oki.
03:04 < tsa> was gar nicht schoen ist.
03:04 < owl> hehe :) kenne ich...
03:04 < owl> bei ca. 145 GB...
03:05 < tsa> hm..
03:05 < tsa> mit oder ohne windows?
03:05 < owl> inkl. windoze + linux ü+ [...]
03:05 < tsa> <- 2x 18gb scsi, 1x 36gb scsi
03:06 < tsa> die 36gb ist halb voll, alles mp3s
03:06 < owl> hmmmmmm...
03:06 < tsa> die anderen beiden sind voll bis auf 4 oder 5gb
03:06 < owl> ufff.
03:06 < tsa> system, rock-devel-krams, arbeit, ..
03:06 < owl> verdammtes dsl
03:06 < owl> i see
03:06 < tsa> hehe
03:06 * owl sollte umziehen...
03:07 < tsa> warum?
03:07 < tsa> dsl nicht moeglich?
03:07 < owl> hm. a) ich hasse hier das kaff b) naeher nach muenchen c) trouble mit eltern waere weg d) dsl waere moglich
03:07 < owl> tsa: genau.
03:07 < tsa> hehe.
03:07 < tsa> ach, zuhause zieh ich eigentlich gar nich so viel.
03:08 < owl> tsa: *grml*
03:08 < tsa> 100mbit internet @work macht da viel mehr spass..
03:08 < owl> tsa: fieser typ!
03:08 < owl> aber 100 mbit internet? bitte?
03:09 < tsa> hehe
03:09 < owl> wohl eher intranet, eh?!
03:09 < tsa> noe.
03:10 < owl> jaja...
03:10 < tsa> eigentlich sind es eher 155mbit, die nur als 100mbit genutzt werden..
03:10 < owl> hm?
03:10 < tsa> dark fiber, also protokollfreie glasfaser, ueber die derzeit 100mbit ethernet laeuft
03:11 < owl> hmhm. oki
03:11 < tsa> koennten aber auch 155mbit atm nutzen..
03:12 < owl> hm.
03:12 < owl> gib mir mal was ab...
03:12 * owl leecht rock-srcen mit 6.81 kb/s
03:12 < tsa> hehe
03:12 < tsa> das macht weniger spass.
03:12 < owl> jaaaaa, damit koenntest du recht haben
03:14 < owl> hm. ach ja... und neue kisten koenntest du auch an mich abgeben... genauso wie spenden auf mein schweizer nummernkonto
03:15 < tsa> hehe
03:15 < tsa> neee..
03:16 < owl> warum denn ned?
03:16 < tsa> kein geld
03:16 < owl> ts
03:19 < owl> hm... zeraphine... geniale musik auch... kennst du?
03:20 < tsa> hm...noe.
03:21 < tsa> sagt mir gar nichts.
03:21 < tsa> mal suchen
03:21 < owl> hmmm...
03:21 < owl> sehr genial... zeraphine - die wirklichkeit...
03:22 < tsa> hm..
03:22 < tsa> gnome2 ist doof.
03:22 < tsa> versucht, auf den falschen xserver zu connecten *sigh*
03:22 < owl> *ggg*
03:25 < owl> dummes ftp...
03:43 < tsa> *gaehn*
03:43 < tsa> hm..
03:43 < tsa> ich glaub, ich geh ma pennen.
03:43 < owl> hm. g8. cu
03:43 < tsa> n8
03:43 < tsa> jo, bis morgen irgendwann
03:43 < tsa> cu
03:43 < owl> jo.
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07:10 < huebi> moin
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09:19 < thalerim> moin all
09:19 < huebi> moin thalerim
09:20 * thalerim wants a kewl TiBook, but hasn't any money though. 
09:20 < huebi> TiBook?
09:20 < thalerim> heh.. you must always pay the name and the extravagant design for an apple
09:20 < thalerim> bu it *has* an extravagant design then
09:22 < thalerim> huebi: notebook by apple
09:23 < huebi> There is no TiBook made by Apple
09:23 < thalerim> er, i mean ibook
09:24 < huebi> Not the PowerBook G4?
09:24 < thalerim> lol that's unpayable :->
09:27 < thalerim> nearly 4,000 dollars
09:27 < thalerim> wow
09:27 < huebi> thalerim: Where is the problem 2weks of work at the most.
09:27 < huebi> +e
09:28 < thalerim> not easy to find a full payed job with six-teen
09:30 < thalerim> huebi: why isn't lynx compiled with the --color feature enabled?
09:34 < huebi> thalerim: because it's not enabled *g*
09:35 < thalerim> hm?
09:35 < huebi> thalerim: ACK with 16 a that good payed job is not so easy to find. But with UNIX development you can also earn mor than with normal jobs.
09:36 < huebi> I have a look at lynx now
09:37 < thalerim> do you know how the flist wrapper works? I would really like a snippet (what compiler flags must be given, or so) howto use them with non-ROCK-packages but any source tarball.
09:37 < thalerim> s,them,it,
09:38 < huebi> this is the output:
09:39 < huebi> open64:    /etc/mtab~20510
09:39 < huebi> link:      /etc/mtab~
09:39 < huebi> fopen64:   /etc/mtab.tmp
09:39 < huebi> rename:    /etc/mtab
09:39 < huebi> I think it's loaded with LD_PRELOAD
09:39 < thalerim> i must bother with it to write a universal useable shellscript by my own
09:40 < huebi> thalerim: It looks for file manipulations and logs it to a file
09:40 < thalerim> yes i know
09:41 < thalerim> i want to create the meta-files in /var/adm for non rock-packages to easiely remove them with pkg-remove
09:44 < huebi> confopt="$confopt --with-ssl --enable-default-colors --enable-prettysrc --with-zlib"
09:45 < huebi> the last 3 options are new to lynx now
09:45 < thalerim> o, but i try netrik now
09:45 < thalerim> ^-ok
09:57 < huebi> thalerim: Where is the problem with the colour? If enable '--enable-default-colors' or not does only change the design but it's allways coloured (in linux term)
09:59 < thalerim> huebi: --color didn't work, the manpages says about compile time options that have to be enabled
09:59 < thalerim> however lynx is already removed from my HD... netrik is very nice
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10:02 < thalerim> unfortunately it's quite slow :-/
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10:22 < Krylathon> there is no w3m packages?
10:22 < Krylathon> huh
10:22 < Krylathon> damn
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12:43 < bluefire> Moin
12:43 < huebi> moin bluefire
12:43 * bluefire Frühstückstime
12:44 * huebi Pizzatime
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13:44 < tsa> tag
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13:44 < tsa> hm....anyone experiance with gnome2?
13:52 < bluefire> tsa: depends
13:52 < bluefire> tsa: I'm using Gnome2 from Debian
13:52 < tsa> nautilus: relocation error: /opt/gnome2/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so.0: undefined symbol: FT_Get_First_Char
13:52 < tsa> seems to be a freetype(?2) problem..
13:53 < thalerim> anythinf is missing
13:53 < bluefire> tsa: Sorry, I got no clue here. I but people on irc.gnome.org #gnome should be more helpful
13:56 < tsa> already tried that, without any success.
13:56 < tsa> g2 has some evil bugs, anyway.
13:57 < bluefire> true
14:00 * owl is back (gone 10:13:18)
14:00 < owl> hi
14:00 < praenti> hi
14:00 < thalerim> moin
14:01 < owl> hi praenti, thalerim
14:01 < praenti> does anyone speak SQL fluently?
14:01 < tsa> brb
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14:02 < thalerim> nope, i regret
14:05 < praenti> ich sage dieser syntax ist korrekt
14:05 < praenti>   SELECT AKP_newsletter.Arfticle.Title, AKP_newsletter.Article.Content, AKP_newsletter.Article.Info, AKP_newsletter.Article.Author, AKP_newsletter.User.Login
14:05 < praenti> FROM AKP_newsletter.Article
14:05 < praenti> INNER JOIN (
14:05 < praenti> AKP_newsletter.User
14:05 < praenti> INNER JOIN ab_bitztool.user ON AKP_newsletter.User.ID = ab_bitztool.user.id
14:05 < praenti> ) ON AKP_newsletter.Article.Author = AKP_newsletter.User.ID
14:05 < praenti> aber mysql sagt das stimmt was nicht bei der (
14:07 < owl> praenti: frage doch heute beim lug-treffen...?
14:10 < praenti> owl: wann is des?
14:10 < owl> praenti: 16 uhr, cafe tagblatt
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14:15 < thalerim> re tsa
14:16 < praenti> ok. mysql denkt rekursiv. dann gehts nämlich
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14:18 < holyolli> moin
14:18 < owl> hi holyolli
14:18 < tsa> tag holyolli
14:18 < holyolli> hallo tsa
14:25 < tsa> hm..
14:25 < tsa> gnome2 ist doof.
14:26 < holyolli> warum?
14:28 < tsa> sagfaultet nen bissel viel zeug
14:28 < holyolli> oh
14:28 < holyolli> und /me hat sich die tage noch überlegt mal gnome2 auf den arbeitsrechner zu packen
14:29 < tsa> viel spass..
14:30 < tsa> ist nan haufen gebastel
14:30 < tsa> wolltest du selber bauen?
14:31 < holyolli> jo
14:31 < tsa> hm..
14:31 < tsa> dann bau es komplett selber, und alles in ein eigenes prefix.
14:32 < holyolli> hm. ack
14:32 < tsa> ..und sieh zu, dass das in sich konsistent ist und moeglichst nix vom restlichen system nutzt.
14:32 < holyolli> hm. danke
14:32 < tsa> libxml, libxslt, freetype2, alles nochmal zusaetzlich dahin
14:32 < tsa> freetype-patch fuer pango benutzen
14:32 < tsa> siehe 1.7.0-dev
14:33 < holyolli> hm
14:33 < holyolli> ich denke, ich werde erstmal umziehen und donnertag abwarten... ;)
14:33 < tsa> jo, mach das.
14:33 < holyolli> bin ja echt gespannt, wie das so wird =)
14:33 < tsa> next try
14:33 < tsa> brb
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14:35 < tsa> <- g2
14:36 < tsa> holyolli: soll ich dir nen screenshot dcc'en?
14:36 < holyolli> klar
14:36 < tsa> mom
14:37 < tsa> Offering Screenshot.png to holyolli
14:37 < tsa> ah
14:37 < holyolli> jo
14:38 < tsa> (der xchat ist auch nen 1.9.2, deswegen aa'd fonts.
14:38 < tsa> )
14:38 < holyolli> ah
14:38 < tsa> sieht irgendwie komisch verschwommen aus, imho.
14:38 < holyolli> hm.
14:38 < holyolli> du hast da nen rollstuhl aufm desktop
14:38 < tsa> als ob man zuviel gekifft haette..
14:38 < holyolli> brauchte dem *fg*
14:38 < holyolli> ?
14:39 < holyolli> das ist mit sawfish, oder?
14:39 < tsa> jo
14:39 < tsa> sawfish 2
14:39 < holyolli> naja...wenn dann würde ich eh den hardwarekiller-wm testen... ;)
14:39 < holyolli> (enlightement)
14:39 < tsa> hehe
14:39 < tsa> load average: 0.07, 0.15, 0.25
14:39 < tsa> geht eigentlich..
14:40 < holyolli> jo
14:40 < tsa> hm..
14:41 < holyolli> und rambedarf?
14:41 < tsa> und wenn ich im control-center "theme" auswaehle, segfaultet der nautilus..
14:41 < tsa> komisch das
14:41 < holyolli> jo
14:41 < tsa> ram auch ok
14:44 < tsa> sieht ja alles prinzipiell ganz nett aus, laeuft aber derzeit einfach noch zu instabil
14:44 < tsa> hm..
14:45 < tsa> mit nautilus kann man auch surfen.
14:45 < tsa> ansatzweise.
14:45 < tsa> google als text/plain hilft mir auch nich weiter.
14:45 < holyolli> aha
14:45 < holyolli> *g*
14:46 < snyke> nimm halt w3m-img
14:47 < tsa> galeon will auch nich.
14:47 < tsa> connot find schema, check gconf setup.
14:47 < tsa> hm..
14:49 < tsa> naja, aber evolution tut.
14:50 < tsa> wahrscheinlich muss ich das zeug einfach noch 30mal gegeneinander neu bauen und dann tut es irgendwann..
14:51 < holyolli> hehe
14:51 < tsa> naja, panel und control-center muss ich auf jeden fall nochmal, das nutzt noch die falsche freetype..
14:55 < defbla> weiss jemand ob man die interaktive passwd abfrage beim cvs login umgehen kann, und gleich mit dranhaengen?
14:57 < tsa> hm..keine ahnung.
14:57 < defbla> yes "passwd" | cvs .. geht leider nicht.
14:58 < holyolli> expect und send sind deine freunde... ;)
14:58 < tsa> expect
14:58 < holyolli> damit könnte es wohl klappen
14:58 < tsa> btw..
14:58 < defbla> danke, /me reading manpage ..
14:58 < tsa> rock 1.7 holt sich sachen aus cvs-repositories..
14:58 < holyolli> also sowas wie "expect 'Password:'\n send 'geheim'" - also so vom prinzip her
14:59 < tsa> kannst ja da mal in die download-skripte reingucken
15:01 < defbla> jo, aber nur von vernuenftigen anonymous cvs servern, ohne passwd afais
15:01 < tsa> so, mal panel mit anderem freetype2 bauen..
15:01 < owl> cu.
15:01 < tsa> hm..muss man bei anon-cvs nicht auch zumindest nen leeres passwd angeben?
15:01 * owl is away: lug
15:01 < tsa> ci owl
15:01 < tsa> cu even
15:01 < holyolli> lug?
15:02 < owl> linux user group
15:02 < tsa> luser group?
15:02 < tsa> *G*
15:02 < owl> :PPPP ciao jetzt
15:03 < tsa> hehe
15:03 < tsa> jo
15:04 < defbla> jo, aber da klappt der co auch ohne voriges login
15:08 < tsa> hm..
15:13 < huebi> re
15:14 < thalerim> re huebili
15:14 < huebi> huhu thalerim
15:14 < holyolli> moin huebi
15:14 < tsa> huhu huebi
15:14 < holyolli> hi thalerim
15:15 < huebi> fsck. Bei einem meiner Monitore ist die Ost-West-Entzerrung kaputt gegangen.
15:15 < huebi> huhu holyolli
15:15 < huebi> hi tsa
15:16 < huebi> So, Monitorklempner kommt um 18h00
15:17 < tsa> hm?
15:17 < tsa> monitor hin?
15:17 * holyolli is searching for a 21" crt...
15:17 < holyolli> ...not broken...
15:17 < tsa> hehe
15:17 * tsa koennte auch noch nen 20"+ sun-monitor gebrauchen..
15:17 < holyolli> tsa: www.ebay.de
15:18 < tsa> holyolli: dito
15:20 < huebi> jo, Monitor is platt. Ich werde Morgen mal nach diesen schoenen Sony 21" CRT nachfragen. duerften 12-18 Monate alt - und von mir selektiert - hoechstens 400 EUR +MwSt + Versand kosten. Die haben insgesammt 3 Jahre Vor Ort Garantie.
15:21 < huebi> ebay ist zu teuer und du kannst die Gurke vorhei nie ansehen und testen.
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15:22 < huebi> ( Mann, ist das eng hier auf dem Desktop. Erst mal wieder umgewoehnen )
15:22 < tsa> hehe
15:23 < tsa> huebi: kannst du auch guenstig sun-monitore besorgen?
15:23 < huebi> tsa: jo, kann ich. Aber da ist, wenn die Dinger Gut sind _immer_ Sony drin.
15:23 < tsa> ich weiss.
15:24 < huebi> tsa: Brauchst du auch Support fuer den SUN-Monitor? *GG*
15:24 * holyolli braucht nen monitoradapter für so nen monitor...
15:24 < tsa> derzeit hab ich hier nur den einen monitor und bin dann immer am umstecken + 13w3-vga-adapter, das ist auch nervig auf die dauer.
15:25 < holyolli> aber von pc -> sgi-monitor
15:25 < tsa> da waer nen zweit-monitor mit 13w3 und vga-anschluss echt nicht verkehrt...
15:26 < tsa> huch.
15:26 < tsa> mousewheel in nautilus = zoom fuer bilder
15:26 < tsa> cool.
15:26 < huebi> tsa: IBM P202 hat das auch.
15:27 < holyolli> tsa: das ist nett
15:27 < tsa> holyolli: ich hab mich eben auch gewundert, is aber irgendwie lustich..
15:29 * tsa baut mal weiter nen bissel an dem gnome-2-kram rum
15:35 < tsa> .oO( wenn das menu jetzt noch stabil liefe... )
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16:12 < huebi> Koool! A Junker JU-52 is flying outside.
16:12 < huebi> +s
16:12 < holyolli> oh
16:13 < holyolli> which one?
16:13 < holyolli> d-aqui=
16:13 < holyolli> ?
16:13 < huebi> If I saw it right the one of Lufthansa
16:13 < holyolli> ah
16:14 < tsa> shoot it down! shoot it down!
16:14 < tsa> ;)
16:14 < huebi> low reving huge displacement engines. Very untypical for a smal aircraft
16:15 < huebi> tsa: no .50BMG gun around here... ;-)
16:17 < holyolli> .oO(hm. if lufthansa needs some ju-52 pilots? ;)
16:17 < holyolli> s/if/does
16:18 < huebi> I bet there are more how want to fly it than they need.
16:19 < holyolli> hehe
16:19 < huebi> In Africa there still should be a few Ju-52 in normal duty.
16:19 < holyolli> hm
16:19 < tsa> bbl
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16:19 < holyolli> jo
16:25 < holyolli> does anybody need a bigtower case?
16:25 < holyolli> redundant power supply, at...
16:26 < holyolli> for nothing, expect shipping
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16:29 < huebi> holyolli: yes, I want to have it
16:29 < holyolli> huebi: o.k. - but it's at, not atx
16:30 < huebi> Ah. Ok. Then I have to have to meet my 'Monitorklempner' first.
16:30 < holyolli> *g*
16:31 < holyolli> just mail me ;-)
16:31 < huebi> holyolli: ok, I do so
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16:50 < Freak> http://linuid.dhis.org/~freak/guckmal/screenshots/20020825_16.50.37.jpg
16:56 < holyolli> Freak: ist das wegen dieser apache:gallery?
16:59 < Freak> nein wegen des bildes
16:59 < Freak> oder was meinst du mit "das"?
17:00 < holyolli> ahso...ne, ich wunderte mich nur, warum du den link gepostet hast...
17:00 < holyolli> <-- hat die point noch nicht verstanden - kann aber auch am heute vorherschenden brainlag liegen ;)
17:00 < Freak> och nur weil ich finde, dass ich ein schönes foto und einen schönen screenshot gemacht hab ;)
17:00 < Freak> hehe
17:00 < holyolli> ahso
17:00 < holyolli> ;)
17:03 < holyolli> bbl
17:03 < huebi> cu holyolli
17:11 < huebi> the JU-52 is back.
17:11 < huebi> Nice to see it. Really slooow aircraft.
17:13 < Freak> huh?
17:13 < Freak> you near an airbase?
17:15 < huebi> Freak: 35 km away from the Rhein-Main-Airbase. But the 'Lufthansa Schulungszentrum' is in sight ~1.5km from my flat.
17:15 < Freak> ic
17:17 < huebi> Freak: and the JU-52 is owned by the Lufthansa ;-)
17:19 < Freak> right.. isnt that this old.. thing..
17:20 < huebi> Yes, very old with 3 Engines and made of 'Wellblech'
17:24 < holyolli> ree
17:25 < holyolli> huebi: btw. maybe that i can visit you the next year a little bit more often...
17:27 < Freak> huebi: right, wellblech *hehe*
17:27 < Freak> huebi: wellblech sounds nice if you try to pronounce it in english ;)
17:27 < holyolli> *g*
17:29 < huebi> holyolli: great ;-)
17:29 < holyolli> huebi: because from august 2003 on i'll probably have to go to the "schulungszentrum" rather often =)
17:30 < holyolli> <kidding> <-- hopes for free lunch </kidding> ;-)
17:30 < huebi> holyolli: Are you first in Arizona?
17:30 < holyolli> jepp
17:31 < holyolli> from jan to aug '03
17:31 < huebi> nice. Hot and dry desert climate there. I like that.
17:31 < holyolli> (well and from now to jan'03 in bremen)
17:32 < holyolli> *g*
17:32 < huebi> holyolli: my mother in law lives there.
17:32 < huebi> in Bremen
17:32 < huebi> ;-)
17:32 < holyolli> ah.
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18:21 < HiJacker> exist language portuguese Brazil for RockLinux ???
18:29 < huebi> HiJacker: I think not.
18:30 < HiJacker> huebi: thanks !!!!
18:32 < huebi> HiJacker: you're welcome ;-)
18:37 < HiJacker> huebi: No speak english !!! :'/
18:39 < huebi> HiJacker: there are some spanish docs.
18:39 < holyolli> HiJacker: just ask mike1 or d3mian when they are in irc
18:40 < huebi> http://www.rocklinux.org/people/mike/doc/guide/GUIDE.html
18:41 < HiJacker> holyolli: best !!!! :-D
18:46 < HiJacker> huebi: I never installed rocklinux !!!
18:46 < HiJacker> holyolli: I never installed rocklinux !
18:47 < HiJacker> huebi: I am beginning still !
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19:30 < rxr_> 984 builds total, 857 completed fine, 127 with errors.
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19:44 < holyolli> re tsa.
19:44 < tsa> re
19:44 < tsa> hm..
19:44 < tsa> laeuft alles einigermassen, wenn auch noch eigentlich  zu viele segfaults, um wirklich damit arbeiten zu koennen.
19:45 < holyolli> also bisher nur zum spielen und nicht für arbeiten geeignet...?
19:45 < tsa> jo, so in der richtung.
19:45 < tsa> aber ganz nett zum dran rumbasteln.
19:45 < holyolli> hm. hat redhat das aber nicht schon mit dabei?
19:46 < rxr> tsa: wodran bastelst du denn ?
19:46 < holyolli> also in der normalen distri?
19:46 < tsa> rxr: gnome2
19:46 < holyolli> hi rxr
19:46 < rxr> ah
19:46 < rxr> hi holyolli
19:46 < tsa> rxr: laeuft so einigermassen, aber einige sachen segfaulten einfach..
19:47 < tsa> z.B. das "Run command.." aus dem menu..
19:47 < huebi> rxr: Wie oft musst du eigendlich noch hoeren, dass mein linu* code nicht funktioniert und ich auch gar nicht den Anspruch habe, dass er funktioniert?
19:48 < huebi> rxr: ?
19:48 * owl is back (gone 04:47:10)
19:48 < owl> re
19:49 < huebi> hi owl. ;-) How are you?
19:49 < owl> hi huebi. horrible. and you?
19:49 < huebi> fine.
19:50 < owl> huebi: *g* as always ;)
19:51 < huebi> owl: hihi
19:51 < owl> huebi: hm? what do you mean?
19:51 < huebi> rxr: war die Frage zu schwer fuer dich?
19:51 < huebi> 19:50 < owl> huebi: *g* as always ;)
19:51 < owl> huebi: ????
19:52 < owl> sorry. i'm confused today. slept about 2 hours...
19:52 < huebi> owl: What do you want to know?
19:52 < owl> huebi: why "hihi"?
19:52 < huebi> ah
19:53 < huebi> 19:50 < owl> huebi: *g* as always ;) <- hihi for the 'as always'
19:53 < owl> huebi: hm. oki.
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19:54 < thalerim> rele
19:54 < owl> moin thalerim
19:54 < huebi> hi thalerim
19:54 < holyolli> *tadaaa* thalerim
19:55 < owl> hi holyolli
19:55 < holyolli> hi owl
19:55 < thalerim> moin owl, huebi, holyolli;
19:55 < rxr> huebi: was nun wieder los ?
19:55 < rxr> ich was > 24 stunden weg und bin gerade erst wiedergekommen ...
19:55 < thalerim> holyolli: no, i don't want sex at the moment!
19:55 < holyolli> .oO(/me stellt vorsorglich schonmal das schlammbecken innen channel... ;-)
19:55 < holyolli> (SCNR... ;)
19:55 < holyolli> thalerim: ich auch nicht :-P
19:55 < huebi> holyolli: *LOOOL*
19:55 < rxr> ah da oben
19:56 < rxr> huebi: das muss ich gar nicht mehr hoehren. 1.5 ist mir jetzt noch egaler als vorher ...
19:56 < rxr> macht was ihr wollt damit ...
19:56 < thalerim> das willst du nicht wirklich!
19:56 < huebi> rxr: Warum moserst du nur an meinem code, der nicht den Anspruch auf Funktion hat?
19:56 < thalerim> *gg*
19:56 * holyolli kommt sich grad vor, wie auf der kinderfreizeit vor 3 wochen.... ("nein..das ist meine schaufel".."dann nehm _ich_ dir jetzt dein förmchen weg"...)
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19:57 < thaly^twin> rofl @ holyolli
19:57 < huebi> *LOOOL*
19:57 < holyolli> ;-)
20:01 < huebi> rxr: Wenn ich da einen wunden Punkt bei dir getroffen habe, in dem ich Fragen stelle, die du nicht beantworten und/oder verstehen kannst, tut mir das sehr leid.
20:01 < huebi> holyolli: Mehr Wasser! Der Schlamm glitscht noch nicht so richtig.
20:01 * holyolli holt sich nen liegestuhl, nen hot-dog-wagen und legt sich mit nem drink+hotdog mal zurück und beobachtet einfach mal
20:03 * huebi war mal bei der 'European Mud Racing Championchip'. War klasse, wie da die Autos im Schlamm abgesoffen sind.
20:03 < rxr> huebi: ich habe ein paar stellen kommentiert ...
20:03 < rxr> das WTF war (gebe ich zu) nicht wirklich uerberlegt ...
20:04 < rxr> das cut'n pasten der funktion mit jeweiler veraenderung war hallt nicht so super (das habe ich schon laenger gesagt) ...
20:04 < huebi> And here is missing _what_ lx_config.sh does _exactly_.
20:04 < huebi> IT PATCHES AND CONFIGURES THE KERNEL (creation of .config). Where is the problem?
20:04 < huebi> rxr: Was soll denn diese Antwort?
20:05 < rxr> it applies the patches and does the configuration - that should be enought to know when you read one of the linux*.conf files
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20:05 < rxr> huebi: genau das steht doch in den linux*.conf files  -sowohl beim . (includen) und beim aufrufen der funktion ...
20:05 < huebi> rxr: Aber es ist nicht genug. Wie funktioniert die Konfiguration _genau_. - Das ist die brennende Frage.
20:06 < huebi> rxr: Aber, wie ich geschrieben habe, muss ich da mindesten 7 externe Dateien lesen. Und das funktioniert nicht.
20:07 < huebi> rxr: Damit versteht fast niemand, was in der .conf eigendlich passiert.
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20:07 < huebi> rxr: Die Details sind das interessante.
20:07 < plfiorini> hi all
20:07 < holyolli> ciao plfiorini
20:07 < huebi> sfifI/
20:07 < huebi> hi plfiorini
20:08 < huebi> rxr: Can you see the problem for others with the code?
20:10 < plfiorini> ahah my tree is available, but i need to make the iso :P
20:10 < rxr> huebi: What I try to explain all the time: You can not comment any detail of a problem. You write sub-modules (a function in our case) which does a complex work to make it simple in other places to use it
20:11 < rxr> the funciton should be commented where this function lives - not everywhere it is used ...
20:11 * rxr busy now
20:11 < thaly^twin> rxr: but you must document what a function does
20:12 < huebi> rxr: What I want is an explanation where the funktion is called. There it is nessesary.
20:12 < thaly^twin> or exactly say where it's to find. And then there it must be documented well
20:12 < huebi> thaly^twin: ACK
20:12 < thaly^twin> <rxr> the funciton should be commented where this function lives - not everywhere it is used . <- he said it
20:15 < rxr> thaly^twin: it is in the file od the function - and a one line comment what the function does is in before the line it is used ...
20:16 < rxr> huebi: not-ack
20:16 < rxr> no complex desc in the places it is called ...
20:17 < thaly^twin> then add a comment "for a further explanation of this function see in <path/file"
20:18 < thaly^twin> i don't know about what kind of function you're talking. If it's somewhat vagant, it may be better to add a short description what it does in this special case.
20:25 < huebi> rxr: If the complete and exact explanation fits in one line I'm ok with it.
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21:22 < zer0_o> lo
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21:29 < zer0_o> hi owl
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21:29 < owl> hi zer0_o
21:30 < zer0_o> gehts gut?
21:31 < owl> zer0_o: nein. nie. und selbst?
21:31 < zer0_o> ebenfalls
21:31 < zer0_o> =|
21:31 < zer0_o> ich glaub mir gings noch nie gut =þ
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21:47 < holyolli> huhu angel
21:53 < zer0_o> hi holyolli
21:54 < holyolli> hi zer0_o
21:57 < rxr> huebi: one line: now patch the kernel and create the .config
21:57 < rxr> it is nearly what is present now ..
21:58 < huebi> But not _exactly_ _what_ is done.
21:58 < tsa> *sigh*
21:58 < tsa> versucht es doch mal ein wenig konstruktiver..
21:59 < huebi> tsa: mach du mal bitte weiter...
21:59 < tsa> huebi: ich fand rxr's patch irgendwie auch komisch, aber du bist tree-maintainer, daher werdet ihr das zwischen euch klaeren muessen..
22:00 < huebi> tsa: versucht es doch mal ein wenig konstruktiver.. ;-)
22:01 < tsa> hehe
22:02 < huebi> rxr: 'make oldconfig' is enough to configure the kernel. Why is there more done in linux*
22:03 < huebi> ?
22:03 < tsa> most important question: why does rxr's patch break the sparc64 stuff?
22:05 < tsa> next thing: why has all this working stuff been moved to lx_config / lx_* ?
22:06 < huebi> rxr: Any answer for these questions?
22:06 < tsa> it was working before, and this is a _stable_ tree, not devel.
22:07 < tsa> i don't know what works with this patch applied and what doesn't, but from what i have read, it is untested, therefore i wouldn't risk applying it.
22:07 < tsa> never change a running system, that is.
22:08 < huebi> tsa: No, the kernel configuration did not work. I needed some changes for sparc64 so that the kernel does not fail to compile anymore but this did not work.
22:08 < tsa> hm..i see
22:09 < huebi> tsa: This is one unsolved problem because of which 1.5 is not stable.
22:11 < tsa> +       # enter the kernel directory. Patch and configure it ;-)!
22:11 < tsa>         cd linux-$ver-rock
22:11 < tsa> hm..
22:11 < tsa> i don't see patches being applied or any kind of configuration being done.
22:11 < tsa> ah..
22:11 < tsa> lx_config
22:12 < tsa> i think i'd prefer the old version, solely because i wouldn't have to read 20 files but just _1_ to understand what's going on.
22:13 < huebi> tsa: ACK. Im working on exact that solution.
22:14 < tsa> hm...is there only one file that uses lx_config?
22:14 < tsa> if so, you could still do all this stuff in an extra function, but i wouldn't put it into an extra file just used once..
22:15 < huebi> tsa: perhaps it much overcrowded with comments and echos. But better in this way than in the old style. Logfiles can be big and it doesn't matter if there is too much in there.
22:16 < tsa> huebi: it's even more: if something breaks, the logfiles are the only place where you can try to find out what's going on (except you are a rock developer)
22:16 < tsa> so i think echo'ing comments into the logfiles is a good idea
22:17 < tsa> rxr: still with us?
22:17 < huebi> tsa: All the configuration files will be documented in linux*.conf and all funktions will be in the file and also well documented.
22:18 < huebi> tsa: ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/pub/linux-src.conf <- first attempt...
22:19 < tsa> hm..
22:19 < tsa> without taking a closer look: seems to be very clean and maintainable...
22:19 < tsa> does it actually work?
22:20 < huebi> tsa: It's not tested. But it still should work except the 'exit=1' in it. I need it to break the compile.
22:21 < tsa> ah, i see.
22:21 < tsa> think you should send it to rxr to have him tkae a closer look..
22:21 < huebi> tsa: I want it for a linux newbe with only a few months experience to be at least understandable
22:22 < huebi> tsa: I am sure he does not understand it at all. This style is obviously not his world.
22:24 * huebi had a look with a very professioanl programmer yesterday at this old code. I got some very good tips how to get it to satisfaction for almost everybody. 
22:24 < tsa> hm...sounds good.
22:25 < huebi> tsa: Thank you.
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22:50 < tsa> rxr: still awake?
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23:13 < holyolli> ok cya
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23:30 < rxr> tsa: yes
23:31 < rxr> a newbie will not understand this kernel config creation - whether there are more comments or not ...
23:31 < rxr> this is definetely not the field for a newbie ...
23:31 < huebi> rxr: You wrote something other in one of your last mails.
23:32 < huebi> s/other/else/
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23:33 < rxr> huebi: I did not.
23:33 < WES_187> hey guys..  have any of yous used vmware??
23:33 < zer0_o> yeah =)
23:34 < owl> hi WES_187. yes i did.
23:34 < zer0_o> but only on windows =|
23:34 < WES_187> I can't run it
23:34 < WES_187> I type vmware and I get error
23:34 < WES_187> s
23:34 < WES_187> one is saying vmon needs to be enabled or some shiznit like that
23:35 < WES_187> VMware Workstation must be set-UID root, "vmware" is not.  Are you running vmware from its distribution directory?  That copy of the program is not set-UID root.
23:35 < WES_187> and that is the other
23:35 < rxr> huebi: a newbie will also not understand advanced code in GSMP, like Echo, EQ, FFT or other mathematic and accustic advanced topics - a newbie simply lacks the knowledge. I could add books about signal processing. But this is definetely not the aim of comments in code ...
23:36 < huebi> WES_187: Mike1 and SMP got VmWare running on ROCK Linux.
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23:36 * WES_187 not using rock linux  ):
23:36 < WES_187> but me wants to run rock linux on vmware
23:37 < huebi> WES_187: I have almost no experience with vmware
23:37 < tsa> rxr: do you think we'll have gnome 2.0.1 in 1.7.0-dev soon? i don't have much time at the moment for rock work..
23:37 < WES_187> did you ever run it??
23:37 < tsa> rxr: currently we're listed for 2.0.0, same as gentoo..
23:37 < huebi> WES_187: Yes, 3 years ago.
23:37 < tsa> would be cool to be first for 2.0.1..
23:38 < tsa> ;)
23:38 < zer0_o> cu mates .. love ya all  lol
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23:38 < WES_187> lol
23:39 < huebi> rxr: I'm talking about ROCK Linux not GSMP.
23:39 < WES_187> is SMP or Mike1 currently here now??
23:39 < huebi> WES_187: No
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23:39 < WES_187> oh well
23:40 * WES_187 try tommorrow
23:40 < rxr> huebi: that are just other examples that explain the topic better - sorry that you lack the needed abstaction.
23:40 < rxr> tsa: yes we have
23:40 < huebi> rxr: What abstraction do you want to do?
23:41 < rxr> we are newer thatn 2.0.1 - I updated any Gnome2 package in my treec
23:41 < tsa> cool.
23:41 < tsa> hm..
23:41 < tsa> does anyone use evolution?
23:41 < rxr> huebi: urgs - mental abstraction for examples in the "commenting discussion" ...
23:41 < huebi> rxr: example please.
23:41 < tsa> it's nice, but i see several problems.
23:42 < tsa> anyone?
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23:43 < rxr> huebi: read the examples above
23:44 < rxr> tsa: no - I use xemacs + mailer ... ;-)
23:44 < tsa> hm..
23:44 < tsa> i'm still using mutt, but evolution is nice, too.
23:44 < tsa> although i won't use it currently, bugs are too severe.
23:45 < huebi> rxr: What has FFT with kernel configuration in common?
23:49 < huebi> rxr: You said this in your mail:
23:49 < huebi> I even discussed the code with an bash, egrep, awk newby at my
23:49 < huebi> university and even this beginner understood the code during the first
23:49 < huebi> read.
23:49 * owl leaves you now
23:49 < owl> g8.cu
23:49 < huebi> cu ow
23:49 < huebi> 23:31 < rxr> a newbie will not understand this kernel config creation - whether there are more comments or not ...
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23:49 < tsa> cu owl
23:50 < huebi> rxr: Where are you lying?
23:50 < rxr> huebi: FET and kernel-config are both complex processes
23:50 < huebi> rxr: or how do I have to understand that?
23:51 < huebi> rxr: but both processes are very different.
23:51 < rxr> huebi: forget it - I'll do not do any 1.5 work anyway.
23:52 < huebi> that different that a comparison is not possible.
23:52 < rxr> urgs
23:53 < huebi> rxr: Should I forget that your relationship to the truth is broken? Or what do you mean?
23:53 < rxr> it was an example about how much comments needs to be inserted ...
23:54 < huebi> rxr: If a newbie, as you said can understand your code why should it be commented?
23:56 < rxr> understanding the linux*.conf code - and knowing about every possible technical detail are two different things.
23:57 < huebi> rxr: Are my questions too complicated for you that you don't answer them all?
23:57 < rxr> huebi: I'm simply not hanging before a terminal all the day and waste all my time reading this noise ...
23:57 < huebi> rxr: understanding the linux*.conf code - not more is needed.
23:58 < huebi> rxr: define noise, please.
23:59 < rxr> this code (with the lx_config - where a newny only needs to know that it creates the conifig) is pretty straight-forward in the 1.7 or dRock status
23:59 < rxr> noise: trash in this channel, like configuring Apache, VM-Ware, Red Hat  ...
23:59 < rxr> I have more usefull things to do ...
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