--- Log opened Mon Aug 26 00:00:06 2002
--- Day changed Mon Aug 26 2002
00:00 < rxr> and IRC is IMHO not the form for usefull and technical discussions anyway.,
00:00 < tsa> depends.
00:00 < rxr> Because of this I used the ML in the past - and the chat only in the last 6 months ...
00:00 < rxr> s/status/state/ in my above post.
00:01 < tsa> we're not doing redhat support, sure, but i don't mind if people ask about assistance configuring apache or solving other linux-related problems.
00:01 < huebi> rxr: You saidin your mail that a newbie understood your code completely. Here you say it's impossible. What do you really mean?
00:01 < huebi> tsa: ACK
00:02 < tsa> we're all just human, and this is a good place to ask a "pro" a question and get a good answer.
00:02 < huebi> ...or a hint where to get the solution
00:03 < tsa> btw...does the oracle java installer still suck so much?
00:03 < tsa> huebi: ack, sure.
00:03 < huebi> tsa: 8.1.7: ACK
00:03 < tsa> ....and why does this FSCKING evolution create broken msg-id's?
00:03 < tsa> *GRR*
00:04 < tsa> huebi: *sigh* will they ever learn...? ;)
00:04 < rxr> huebi: the linux* config should just work - and it should not suck as much that every ROCK newbie needs to fix it before he/she can use ROCK.
00:04 < huebi> tsa: they needn't. They are big enough
00:05 < huebi> rxr: The problem is: "It simply does not work."
00:05 < huebi> at least for sparc64
00:05 < tsa> dammit!
00:05 < rxr> it works in 1.7 and dRock. You only need to add a linux-header packages which mangels the include files for sparc64/32 ...
00:05 < tsa> gonna kill evolution developers.
00:06 < huebi> rxr: Did you do something on that issue?
00:06 < huebi> rxr: And even then the kernel does not compile.
00:07 < tsa> being posix and SUSv2-compliant can really suck sometimes, it seems.
00:08 < rxr> no - neitehr 1.5 nor Sparc62/32 is s.th. I'm interested in.
00:09 < rxr> That your sparc64 config doesn't compile should be a simple fix for s.o. like you.
00:09 < huebi> rxr: With understandable code of course yes.
00:10 < rxr> huebi: you do not need to understand the code for this. the config entries are generated from files in arch*/bla-bla-bla
00:10 < huebi> rxr: and even that did not work.
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00:13 < rxr> hrmgh?
00:14 < rxr> and you complain for 5 or 6 weeks now - you did not take the time to understand the process ?
00:14 < huebi> rxr: I counted on your word that you fix it in the time you promissed.
00:14 < tsa> hm...
00:14 < tsa> i really should learn some C...
00:15 < tsa> anyway, this will be easy to fix with some basic SUSv2 knowledge.
00:15 < tsa> just found a bug in evolution
00:17 < huebi> rxr: 23:50 < huebi> rxr: Where are you lying?
00:17 * rxr sleeping now
00:17 < huebi> rxr: You did not answer. Why?
00:18 < rxr> huebi: the newbie understood the code.
00:18 < rxr> my IRC sentence was not perfect
00:19 < rxr> huebi: you should put your efforts into your ROCK-1.5 problems and not in affront me.
00:19 < rxr> cu all
00:19 < rxr> n8
00:19 < huebi> rxr: you and imperfection? unbelievable.
00:19 < rxr> we all are human.
00:20 < huebi> rxr: ok. where did you ly?
00:20 < rxr> I never never never said or will say that I'm perfect.
00:20 < huebi> rxr: but you behave like it.
00:20 < rxr> was soll das ?
00:20 < huebi> was?
00:21 < rxr> 00:19 < rxr> huebi: you should put your efforts into your ROCK-1.5 problems and
00:21 < rxr>              not in affront me.
00:21 < rxr> a Correction of my IRC sentence:
00:22 < huebi> rxr: do I?
00:22 < rxr> For a newbie understanding every detail of the process of the kernel configuration and all its important details and possible errors will not become easier when you put 10 lines of comments before every code line.
00:23 < rxr> n8
00:23 < huebi> why not?
00:23 < huebi> or do you say something untrue again?
00:38 * tsa going to bed...
00:38 < tsa> cu all
00:38 < huebi> cu tsa
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00:52 < Freak> [anders]?
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01:15 < Freak> [anders]?
01:19 < huebi> good night
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07:24 < huebi> moin
10:32 < rxr> untrue - urgs
10:32 < rxr> you also lied about sending the Solaris CDs ...
10:33 < rxr> huebi: when you continue to write such defamations I'll really stop to talk to you.
10:33 < huebi> rxr: Buy it yourself. Why should I invest something in you?
10:34 < rxr> huebi: you promissed me to send them for 3 months or so!
10:34 < huebi> 00:22 < rxr> For a newbie understanding every detail of the process of the kernel configuration and all its important details and possible errors will not become easier
10:34 < huebi>              when you put 10 lines of comments before every code line.
10:34 < huebi> 00:23 < huebi> why not?
10:34 < rxr> And I also invested several times time into 1.5 which doesn't get honorred
10:35 < rxr> huebi: get it - I do not want to talk to you anymore.
10:35 < huebi> rxr: The problem is that the code of linux* ist not as easy understandable as needed.
10:36 < rxr> huebi: the tens time: THEN MODIFY IT HOWEVER YOU WANT <DOT>
10:36 < huebi> rxr: You are so brilliant that you can understand it very easy.
10:37 < huebi> rxr: Yes, I'm modifying it at the moment.
10:37 < huebi> rxr: But not everybody can read and understand code as easy as you can.
10:38 < huebi> rxr: So my interest is and was that you comment your code that someone else without your skills can understand it in short time.
10:40 < huebi> rxr: Your work on 1.5 does not work if you don't tell everybody at least _what_ you are doing there.
10:42 < huebi> rxr: In my opinion it's very arrogant that you say what others need to get your code. You're not alone in ROCK Linux. Others also whant to use it with the same satisfaction as you get.
10:42 < huebi> rxr: Did you now get what I want?
10:43 < huebi> rxr: Or must I provoke you again with your own words to answer?
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11:54 < rxr> huebi: you do no need to "provoke me w/ s.th. again" - I simply ignore 1.5 ...
11:54 * rxr away
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13:48 < term_emu> moin
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14:58 < rolla_> re all
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15:08 < bluefire> Moin
15:32 < esden> hi all
15:34 < huebi> moin esden ;-)
15:34 < esden> hi huebi 
15:34 < huebi> moin bli, moin rolla_
15:35 < esden> can you give my a fast short status report ? 
15:35 < esden> @ huebi
15:35 < esden> I will be off in some hours again >_<
15:35 < huebi> esden: I'm writing inline documentation for linux*.
15:36 < esden> huebi: ahh cool
15:36 < esden> huebi: so you understood it finally :->
15:37 < huebi> esden: I'm still busy with understanding it. But my debugging skills are good enough to find out what finaly happens in there.
15:40 < huebi> esden: where are you now?
15:41 < esden> I am in Danzig
15:41 < esden> that is Poland by the sea
15:42 < huebi> Ostsee. ;-)
15:42 < huebi> esden: How are your hollidays?
15:42 < esden> I was not able to go to Kroatien because the chech idiots did not let me throu their country
15:43 < esden> because in my passport the photo was not fully fixed >_<
15:43 < esden> I could kill these idiots
15:44 < esden> the polish and german border ... policemen or how they are called never had a problem with it ... 
15:44 < huebi> esden: Yes, idiots. If you were not esden your passport would be perfect.
15:45 < esden> but chechs are taking it differently
15:45 < esden> huebi: correct
15:45 < esden> argh
15:45 < huebi> 'Bundergrenzschutz' <- german FBI
15:45 < huebi> wrong.
15:45 < huebi> 'Bundeskriminalamt' <- german FBI
15:46 < esden> yes the second is correct
15:46 < esden> but what is Bundesgrenzschutz in english ...
15:47 < bluefire> esden: Borderguards I think
15:47 < huebi> Federal Border Police
15:48 < esden> hmm ... could be ...
15:49 < esden> but you know who I talk about and that is what matters ;-)
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16:16 < Mike1> Hi all
16:23 < esden> hi Mike1 !!
16:23 < huebi> hi Mike1
16:24 < Mike1> :) esden nice to see you around
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16:25 < Mike1> huebi: would you tell me more about this cpuburn package?
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16:25 * Mike1 is reading changelog
16:27 < huebi> Mike1: cpuburn is for testing the CPUs in your system:
16:27 < huebi> [T] CPU testing utilities in optimized assembler for maximum loading P6 (Intel
16:27 < huebi> [T] Pentium Pro/II/III and Celeron TM), AMD K7 (Athlon/Duron/Thunderbird TM)
16:27 < huebi> [T] AMD K6, and Intel P5 Pentium chips.
16:27 < huebi> [T] *** WARNING *** This program is designed to heavily load CPU chips.
16:27 < huebi> [T] Undercooled, overclocked or otherwise weak systems may fail causing data
16:27 < huebi> [T] loss (filesystem corruption) and possibly permanent damage to electronic
16:27 < huebi> [T] components. Nor will it catch all flaws.
16:28 < Mike1> very nice >_<
16:29 < huebi> like memtest a very good program to stress test hardware.
16:31 < Mike1> yes.. i wanna give it a try, will download it now :)
16:32 < huebi> Mike1: If you test the server when it's new and non-productiv you will know where the limits are later in production.
16:32 < Mike1> how do you mean?
16:34 < huebi> If you know how hot the CPUs can be under worst conditions you will see in production when they are too hot because of a cooling failure like too much dust in the box. You then know that there is sth non regular before the box failes.
16:36 < Mike1> :)
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17:02 < thalerim> moin all
17:02 < Mike1> hi thalerim
17:02 < huebi> hi thalerim
17:02 < thalerim> moin Mikel, huebi;
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17:19 < esden> cu all 
17:19 < huebi> cu esden
17:20 * -> esden back on vacation ;-)
17:20 < huebi> have fun
17:20 < snyke> -~-
17:20 < esden> huebi: thanks I hope I will have it
17:20 < esden> snyke ich hoffe das wenn ich wieder online bin das mir niemand den apollo klaut ... es ist nicht schoen wenn jemandem was hinter dem ruecken weggenommen wird ....
17:21 < esden> und auch was mich angeht hinter meinem ruecken entschieden wird ...
17:21 * -> esden detatch
17:24 < thalerim> eden?
17:26 < snyke> hm?
17:26 < snyke> was is mit esden?
17:26 < thalerim> fährt er jetzt in den urlaub oder kommt er davon ??? *verwirrt*
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17:27 < esden> re
17:27 < esden> I have some more spare time ;-)
17:28 < esden> thalerim: ich war jetzt nur kurz online ... im urlaub
17:28 < esden> ich bin sozusagen mitten drinnen ;-)
17:28 < thalerim> achso.
17:28 < thalerim> naja, ich hab nur zwei bugs gefixt im install menu, wo du schon weg warst
17:28 < esden> thalerim: gibt es was interessantes ?
17:29 < esden> ahh gut zu hoeren
17:29 < esden> thalerim: ich werde mir das alles genau anschauen wenn ich wieder da bin ...
17:29 < thalerim> okay
17:29 < esden> ich arbeite mammentan an einem gtk tool zum editieren von paket files ...
17:30 < esden> ich meine hier die *.desc *.conf usw
17:30 < thalerim> igitt
17:31 < esden> ist aus langewaile entstanden ... da ich bissel proggen wollte und mir wieder mal gtk anschauen wollte
17:31 < esden> thalerim: du sollst es auch nicht benutzen ...
17:31 < esden> wie gesagt ist aus langeweile entstanden ... und weil die bei gentoo sowas haben ... und ich auf nem gui trip war ;-)
17:31 < thalerim> igitt gentoo
17:32 < thalerim> ich bin grad auf dem igitt-trip
17:32 < thalerim> igitt
17:32 < esden> hehe .... gentoo ist keine konkurenz fuer uns ... und ueberhaupt nicht mit uns vergleichbar ... wenn du es noch nicht wissen wolltest
17:33 < thalerim> gentoo suckt
17:33 < esden> ich meine "gewusst hast"
17:33 < thalerim> ganz einfach. Simplifiziert und zentraliziert auf zwei Wörter: gentoo suckt!
17:33 < esden> wenn wir wollten koennten wir einen target in rocklinux machen mit dem namen gentoo und daraus wuerde gentoo entstehen
17:33 < thalerim> :-]
17:34 < esden> nur muesste man bissel arbeit reinstecken und das paket "gentoo portage tree" hinzufuegen ;-)
17:35 < esden> ich faende es eine richtig schoene sache ... *fg*
17:35 < thalerim> fell free
17:35 < thalerim> uhi, ich verspüre einen leichten Reiz in der Magengegend
17:36 < thalerim> aka hunger
17:37 < esden> hehe ... dann esse was ... solli ich dir ein gentoo gericht zubereiten ? diese art von sehr schnellen pinguinen hat sehr zartes fleisch ;-)
17:38 < thalerim> *mampf* ne danke
17:38 < esden> ok ... war nur ein vorschlag
18:04 < esden> cu all
18:05 < thalerim> cya
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19:06 < huebi> re
19:07 < thalerim> re huebi
19:07 < huebi> hi thalerim
19:40 < thalerim> BEEP
19:47 < Mike1> BOOP
19:47 < thalerim> BOOP?
19:48 * Mike1 is bored so he's just bugging around
19:49 < thalerim> what does produce such a strange sound?
19:54 < Mike1> a messed up 286 that a friend asked me to load linux on
19:55 < thalerim> mh, it should produce a BOOT
19:56 < Mike1> :)
20:23 < rxr> hi esden
20:23 < rxr> hi Mike1
20:23 < rxr> re
20:24 < Mike1> hi rxr how are you my friend?
20:24 < rxr> oh ok - and you?
20:25 < Mike1> i am ok too very busy as usual
20:26 < thalerim> busy but bored?
20:26 < Mike1> thalerim: they asked to make stupid report on something
20:26 < Mike1> i hate doing dummy reports !
20:27 < thalerim> just shred it *fg*
20:28 < Mike1> :)
20:28 < thalerim> what kind of report?
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20:39 < d3mian> hi all
20:41 < Mike1> thalerim a damn comparision between our security assesment soft and and report that another company made for us
20:53 < Mike1> hackbard http://odin.informatica.co.cr/~mike/pics/hdw-output.jpg
20:53 < d3mian> emmm
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20:59 < tsa> tag
21:00 < d3mian> hola stefan
21:00 < tsa> ?
21:00 < tsa> <- Sebastian
21:00 < Mike1> o_O stefan?
21:00 < tsa> ;)
21:00 < Mike1> hi tsa
21:00 < tsa> Mike1: no se.
21:00 < tsa> hola Mike1
21:00 < d3mian> :p
21:01 < Mike1> d3mian: SMP = Stefan
21:01 < tsa> ah ;)
21:01 < d3mian> anyways, hi SMP , hi sebastian :p
21:01 < tsa> hehe
21:02 < tsa> "Your fault - core dumped"
21:02 < tsa> hehe
21:02 < tsa> (c) by /usr/games/fortune
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21:12 < owl> hi
21:12 < d3mian> hi owl
21:13 < owl> hi d3mian
21:15 < Mike1> .
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21:25 < d3mian> sidja
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21:32 < plfiorini> hi
21:33 < owl> hi plfiorini
21:33 < plfiorini> hey owl
21:33 < owl> plfiorini: how are you ?
21:33 < plfiorini> bad
21:34 < plfiorini> owl: because i have a problem with building install-disks subdist
21:34 < plfiorini> and my vacation will end next monday
21:34 < plfiorini> owl: you?
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21:34 < plfiorini> hi h0h0
21:34 < owl> plfiorini: hm. which install-disk subdist?
21:34 < plfiorini> owl: i have 1.5.18
21:34 < h0h0> `lo
21:34 < owl> plfiorini: i don't know. almost dead or so..
21:34 < owl> hi h0h0
21:35 < h0h0> `lo
21:35 < plfiorini> cp: cannot create directory `/mnt/debian/rock-src/src/inst-disk/disk.mnt/tmp': No space left on device
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21:36 < plfiorini> owl: it's weird, i have the 40% free
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21:36 < plfiorini> hi chrisime
21:36 < owl> plfiorini: strange... permission?
21:36 < chrisime> hallo
21:36 < plfiorini> owl: i am root :)
21:36 < owl> plfiorini: hmmmmmmmmmm...
21:37 < plfiorini> owl: btw src/* is created by the buildit.sh script
21:37 < plfiorini> owl: i have built also rescue and read-only w/o problems
21:39 < owl> plfiorini: hmm... sorry, i don't know...
21:39 * owl 's currently in progress of downloading sources of 1.5.18....
21:39 < plfiorini> owl: ok don't worry, be happy :)
21:40 < owl> plfiorini: *lol* it's the wrong person to which you're saying these words... ;)   "be unhappy as often as you can" --> owl
21:42 < plfiorini> owl: :D
21:42 < owl> plfiorini: don't laugh. it's true :)
21:45 * plfiorini uses this permissions drwxrwsrwx
21:46 < owl> 777?
21:46 < owl> :P
21:46 < plfiorini> :P
21:46 < owl> strange...
21:46 < plfiorini> owl: i use it when i have troubles, but don't tell to anyone
21:46 < owl> plfiorini: *g* google is watching you...
21:46 < plfiorini> very strange...
21:47 < plfiorini> owl: is google the big brother?
21:47 < plfiorini> grr! same error
21:47 < owl> plfiorini: of course...
21:47 < owl> plfiorini: where?
21:49 < plfiorini> owl: during the build of this damned subdist :)
21:50 < plfiorini> mmmh
21:50 < owl> hmm...
21:50 < plfiorini> perhaps it tries to use the floppy
21:51 < [anders]> frrrrrp..
21:51 < plfiorini> [anders]: ?
21:51 < [anders]> plfiorini: :-)  Just thinking out loud..
21:51 < plfiorini> [anders]: :)
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21:52 < [anders]> i'm thinking about firing up a Wiki page on my home box..
21:52 < owl> plfiorini: second... you mean [path]/rock-src/subdists/ ???
21:52 < [anders]> at least with a wiki collaboration becomes easy..
21:52 < plfiorini> owl: yes
21:52 * plfiorini needs a blank floppy now
21:53 < owl> plfiorini: hmm... i'm downloading the srces using knoppix... (don't hit me, please)... and i had no problems
21:53 < plfiorini> owl: i am building not downloading
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21:53 < plfiorini> owl: i have downloaded all the sources and built all the pkgs
21:54 < owl> plfiorini: ah. ok.
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22:26 < tsa> hehe
22:26 < owl> hi tsa
22:28 < Freak> owliebowlie
22:29 < owl> moin Freak. ruhe, sonst
22:29 < Freak> sonst stinkst du bis nach BaWü, ich weiss.
22:29 < owl> Freak: ja. genau.
22:30 < owl> aber denjenigen den du meinst, der heisst stoiber...
22:31 < Freak> nein, nie würde es mir einfallen, bayern mit stoiber zu verwechseln ;)
22:31 < owl> Freak: bla
22:31 < Freak> ich verwechsle bayern mit beckstein.. ich sollte mal versuchen, über meine vorurteile hinwegzukommen *gr
22:31 < owl> Freak: vorurteile?
22:32 < Freak> ähm sagte ich vorurteile? es sind natürlich höchst-reflektierte, objektive urteile.
22:32 < owl> Freak: bla
22:33 < Freak> "vielen Dank bei den Gästen hier im Studio.."
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22:34 < owl> Freak: tipp von mir - TV aus... dann regt man sich nicht auf
22:35 < Freak> wer sagt, dass ich mich aufrege :)
22:35 < Freak> nagut ein winziges bisschen vielleicht..
22:35 < owl> Freak: okok. bla
22:36 < Freak> ich kritisiere den schwachsinn, eine politische Sendung zu machen, die 1,5h Zeit hat und pikanteste themen aufgreift..
22:36 < Freak> sowie mit iirc 6 politiker-gästen ausgestattet war
22:36 < tsa> *gaehn*
22:36 < owl> Freak: tja.
22:37 < Freak> d.h. keine antworten (mögen sie so opportunistisch sein wie .. blah.) sondern nur moderatoren, die schreiende politiker an die zeit erinnern und nicht ausreden lassen.
22:39 < owl> Freak: tja. politik ist eh etwas - nun ja - requirements fuer politiker: lugner/betrueger/hochstapler, gute redner (man muss den leuten eine gute story auf den tisch klatschen koennen) - d.h. aber noch lange nicht, dass diese stimmt und "stimmkraeftig" - ergo: schreihaelse... --> der perfekte politkier (habe ich was vergessen)?
22:42 < Freak> hm.. ack.
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