--- Log opened Wed Aug 28 00:00:14 2002
--- Day changed Wed Aug 28 2002
00:00 < huebi> d3mian: ACK
00:01 < zer0_o^rocks> have to read a man about fstab
00:01 < zer0_o^rocks> ;)
00:01 < zer0_o^rocks> just a sec
00:01 < Mike1> k
00:05 < zer0_o^rocks> hmm it seems to be already activated
00:05 < Mike1> ok so it boots now?
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00:05 < zer0_o^rocks> @ the last line it's got a 1 instead a 0 , i think it's marked as bootable now..
00:05 < zer0_o^rocks> but i hadn't to do anything ..
00:06 < Mike1> if it boot its ok
00:06 < Mike1> :)
00:06 < zer0_o^rocks> i'll have a try
00:08 < zer0_o^rocks> =( didn't work, i'm to tired for this @ the moment ... i'll have a sleep about that, and try again tomorrow ;)
00:08 < Mike1> ok
00:08 < Mike1> nacht zer0_o^rocks
00:08 < zer0_o^rocks> -a +to
00:08 < zer0_o^rocks> keep it international ;) lol
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00:09 < Mike1> zer0_o^rocks: jed d
00:09 < Mike1> :)
00:09 < zer0_o^rocks> omg
00:09 < Mike1> ?
00:09 < zer0_o^rocks> i don't speak that language =)
00:09 < Mike1> lol
00:10 < Mike1> s/jed/jeg
00:10 < Mike1> :)
00:10 < zer0_o^rocks> jag bjuder alla p en l
00:10 < Mike1> :)
00:11 < zer0_o^rocks> tjejen har du vakra gon =)
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00:11 < zer0_o^rocks> jag kan inte prata svenska =(
00:11 * Mike1 on the phone
00:11 < zer0_o^rocks> have fun ...
00:11 < zer0_o^rocks> i'll go now .. n8 all =)
00:11 < Mike1> buenas noches
00:11 < zer0_o^rocks> n8 owl ;)
00:11 < Mike1> :P
00:12 < zer0_o^rocks> grazie
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00:16 < huebi> good night
00:20 < h0h0> anyone know why my mouse pointer might be screwed up when I use the nv driver, but fine when I use the nvidia driver in X?
00:21 < h0h0> it's small, doubled, and multicolored
00:21 < h0h0> Ive used the nv driver before and never had this problem
00:21 * owl leaves you now
00:21 < owl> g8. cu
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00:33 < tsa> n8
00:33 < Mike1> n8 tsa
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02:26 < Mike1> huebi: awake?
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03:20 < bluefire> Moin
03:20 < Mike1> moin bluefire
03:37 < d3mian> re
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05:17 < d3mian> zija
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05:46 < rawl> hi
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06:44 < huebi> moin
08:44 < huebi> --- MARK ---
08:44 < huebi> ;-)
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09:32 < swede> meow
09:32 < swede> moin zusammen
09:33 * swede managed to mess up my home-box so I can't get back into it from work..
09:33 < huebi> moin anders ;-)
09:34 < swede> don't play with hosts.allow and host.deny unless you know what you are doing I think might be an appropriate warning.. :)
09:34 < swede> moin huebi :)
09:34 < swede> s/host.deny/hosts.deny/
09:35 < swede> I forgot to put sshd: ALL in hosts.allow.. :-/
09:38 < swede> huebi: I have been tweaking the wiki a bit more.. if you want to add/modify anything, please go ahead.. :)
09:38 < huebi> swede: Yes, thats ugly. But thinks like this must happen from time to time.
09:38 < swede> huebi: yeah, shame it had to happen today though.. ;-/
09:39 < huebi> swede: I'll have a look later on wiki. I just got an offer for 3 IBM 21" CRT Monitors P202 or 6558-43N in black.
09:40 < swede> they are nice screens they are.. :) are you selling or buying?
09:40 < huebi> swede: buying
09:42 < huebi> swede: But I think I have to talk a lot to get a really good price and test the CRTs very hard if they are ok or not.
09:44 < swede> seeing wether they are good or not should be reasonably easy..
09:44 < huebi> swede: http://www.livingston-europe.com/shop/shop.php/pt=pis/lk=de/sk=de?man=IBM&sstr=P202&sall=1 <- I'll see what price I get
09:44 < swede> run some OpenGL test programs on them, like GLGears or something, and that should show it..
09:45 < huebi> swede: Yes, it's easy. Just use 1600x1200 @ 85Hz
09:45 < huebi> swede: I search for a link to a programm I'll use there
09:47 < swede> That's reasonably good price for an IBM 21" screen you know.. 810 isn't bad.. It's about 550 or something I'd guess..
09:50 < huebi> Well, I've been as a freelancer for Livingston. I setup a new mailserver for them and used to recover their Oracle DB up to 8 times a day. And I build an installation server for all the PC-based SGI machines for them.
09:50 < swede> the 21" for 460 is a good bargain I reckon.. is this 2nd hand equipment?
09:52 < huebi> These CRTs are used and about 1 year old. They have a total of 3 years warranty. I'll pay in worst case 400 EUR for one.
09:52 < huebi> I think I can get them for even less.
09:53 < huebi> swede: are you interested in one?
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09:54 < tsa> moin
09:54 < huebi> moin tsa
09:54 < tsa> hi huebi
09:56 < swede> huebi: uhm.. if I had space, I would be interested.. As it stands I will not even have space for my 19" Iiyama that currently is over in Sweden...
09:57 < huebi> swede: I thought so, too. ;->
09:58 < tsa> huebi: got any spare hardware you want to get rid of? ;)
09:59 < huebi> tsa: Yesterday I trough away this old E10K Cluster...
09:59 < tsa> GNAAA!
09:59 < huebi> *LOOOL*
10:00 * tsa biting in keyboard
10:00 < tsa> anyway, i don't have the necessary power supply for an e10k...
10:00 < swede> huebi: http://www.dabs.com/12N8WS  for a *very* nice screen.. ;-)
10:01 < swede> it comes at a price though...
10:01 < swede> probably about 1800 something
10:02 < tsa> but if have a spare a1000 array filled with 36gb disks...
10:02 < huebi> tsa: Do you need a nice 21" CRT IBM P202 Monitor?
10:03 < huebi> ~1 year old and the price will be lower than 400EUR
10:04 < tsa> huebi: hm...that's the black one, isn't it?
10:04 < huebi> tsa: ACK
10:05 < tsa> hm.... ;-))
10:05 < tsa> does it work on a sun?
10:05 < tsa> 13w3 connector?
10:05 < huebi> tsa: I'll be at Livingston later today. I can call you if I know more
10:06 < tsa> huebi: ACK!
10:06 < huebi> tsa: Yes 13W3 _and_ 15 Pin Vga
10:06 < tsa> aah, sounds good.
10:06 < huebi> And I can test it on a sun.
10:06 < tsa> ok, do it, please..
10:07 < huebi> Ok.
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10:07 < huebi> moin bluefire
10:07 < bluefire> Moin
10:08 < bluefire> Does one of you also have a noticed "backdown down" syndrom?
10:08 < tsa> bluefire: --verbose, please
10:08 < huebi> tsa: http://www.livingston-europe.com/shop/shop.php/pt=pis/lk=de/sk=de?man=IBM&sstr=P202&sall=1 <- These are the ones.
10:09 < bluefire> tsa: looks like ision.net drowned last night.
10:09 < huebi> tsa: a white or a blackone?
10:09 < huebi> tsa: What do you want?
10:10 < tsa> huebi: i'd prefer black..
10:10 < tsa> bluefire: hm...no water in sight here...
10:10 < huebi> <AOL> me too! </AOL>
10:10 < tsa> huebi: why are you going to livingstone, are you going to get one for yourself, too?
10:11 < bluefire> tsa: Didn't see it myself either, but my company and ISP seem to be cut off from the internet.
10:11 * bluefire yawn
10:11 < bluefire> The just kicked me out of bed.
10:11 < tsa> hehe--
10:11 < huebi> tsa: One of my has a broken "Ost-West-Entzerrung" I want to replace this one.
10:12 < tsa> i've been called yesterday in the evenig, a cisco 2503 refused to boot after a powercycle and a customer's 2mbit line went down..
10:12 < tsa> huebi: ah, i see..
10:13 < huebi> Then I also rent a flat next door for my bussiness. Therefore I need another one.
10:13 < bluefire> huebi: Starting your own buissiness?
10:15 < huebi> bluefire: I started it in 1998 IIRC. But now I'm married since february 2001, have a little daughter and that's too much to get my work done at home.
10:15 < tsa> aah
10:15 < bluefire> huebi: what are you selling?
10:15 * tsa being self-employed since about ~2 years.
10:16 < tsa> has a lot of advantages..
10:16 < huebi> There is a big lag in concentration because I get disturbed too often.
10:16 < tsa> bluefire: huebi sells rock-linux cd's ;-)
10:16 < huebi> bluefire: Linux and Solaris administration,
10:16 < tsa> perhaps we should found rock-consult germany, inc. ;-)
10:16 < huebi> tsa: *g*
10:17 < bluefire> tsa: Hehe... slogan: "We provide ROCK-solid service for your business!" ;P ?
10:18 < huebi> I earn most of my money with solutions based on ROCK Linux.
10:18 < tsa> bluefire: sounds good..
10:19 < huebi> bluefire: Sounds really good. May I use it?
10:19 < bluefire> huebi: Sure.
10:19 < huebi> bluefire: thank you. ;-)
10:19 < tsa> no, in serious: if someone would ask me to maintain a server near FFM/Darmstadt/.., I'd rather ask huebi than drive there on my own..
10:20 < th> "bluefire" the hidden marketing for huebi's ROCK-consult germany, inc.
10:20 < huebi> tsa: Thank you. ;-))
10:20 < tsa> it's always good to know a lot of people with good computer knowledge..
10:20 < huebi> tsa: ... and have there phone numbers handy.
10:20 < tsa> huebi: ACK.
10:21 < bluefire> th: Auch ein blindes Huhn findet mal ein Korn.
10:21 < tsa> if you have a machine in singapore, you could still call chris hamilton ..
10:22 * th handles former GDR then ;)
10:22 * bluefire hopes that the Rhein does not flood... 
10:24 < tsa> th: you'll need a big supply of "schwimmfluegel" for computers, then.. ;-)
10:24 < huebi> tsa: Reliable people like one can meet on CCC every year. Not these dump "Minesweeper Consultants and Solitaire Experts". People you can give a shell account even if you know that the one can get a root account faster as you can imagine.
10:25 < tsa> huebi: ack.
10:28 < huebi> Does somebody know a working Wave LAN card for Linux? I need this to connect the 2 flats now. This should not only be a PCMCIA solution, I also need a PCI solution
10:29 < th> my leased line is based on an very old WL24xx ISA card
10:29 < swede> huebi: I thought the Orinoco cards worked..
10:29 < th> and i know of a 3com pcmcia card which works
10:29 < swede> (or what the real name of them now is..)
10:32 < huebi> One 17C3 I heared that there are only two chip manufacturers.
10:32 < huebi> -e
10:32 < huebi> Ok. I search a bit in the net.
10:32 < th> a bit?
10:33 < th> easy to find a bit
10:33 < th> even bytes
10:33 < th> ;>
10:33 < huebi> *ROFL*
10:39 < th> so.
10:39 < th> later...
10:39 < huebi> cu th
10:41 < swede> anyways, /me is off to do some work.. Will fix my ssh problem tonight. :)
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10:41 < huebi> have fun sw
10:56 < bluefire> huebi: I have an Elsa Airlancer, but I guess those are out of business... it's a Lucent actually and it works.
10:57 < bluefire> huebi: The Cisco WLan card (Aironet
10:57 < bluefire> ) also works find
10:57 < bluefire> fine
10:57 < huebi> bluefire: Thank you.
11:06 < bluefire> huebi: I think the Cisco ones are the hacker-cards-of-choice. The can supposedly listen on all channels in parallel and have a pretty good support actually. But I think neither the Cisco nor the Lucent cards can be run in AP mode under Linux. There should be a hack for Prism2 based cards though.
11:09 < huebi> bluefire: What is the AP mode?
11:09 < bluefire> huebi: access point
11:10 < bluefire> huebi: but you can set up an ad-hoc network without any problems afaik. I'm running one here. My AP is the Elsa card in a PCI-PCMCIA bridge in my router. Works fine.
11:10 < bluefire> huebi: But since I don't have a "real" AP, I e.g. can't use power-saving functions.
11:11 < bluefire> I don't know all the implications though.
11:17 < fake> hallo
11:19 < fake> boy boy boy.... interviews suck
11:19 < tsa> hehe
11:19 < tsa> hi fake
11:19 < fake> hi tsa!
11:19 < huebi> hi fake
11:19 < fake> hi huebi!
11:19 < huebi> fake: At T-Nova?
11:19 < fake> nope. munich, and around ingolstadt
11:20 < fake> the answer to my appliance at t-nova is in my lotus notes inbox, which i can't reach from here
11:20 < fake> but i think i'd favor munich, anyways
11:21 < huebi> T-Nove wats to double the people working there till 2003 to 1000
11:22 < huebi> fake: Yes, I can imagine that. Being at home is sth very nice.
11:22 < huebi> bluefire: I have a close look to Cisco now.
11:22 < fake> im not at home when i work in munich, but i am at least close
11:22 < fake> ,r
11:22 < fake> , = +
11:22 < huebi> fake: ACK
11:23 < huebi> fake: can you drive each day to Munich?
11:24 < tsa> fake: what are you doing, looking for a new emplayment?
11:24 < tsa> s,a,o,
11:24 < fake> tsa: yes
11:24 < fake> huebi: no, i'd look for a flat
11:25 < fake> well i _could_ drive, but i don't want to spend half of my life in a train
11:25 < huebi> fake: Ah, ok
11:25 < fake> ride, it is
11:26 < fake> by the way, munich is a nice city to live in, as long as you don't have a car XD
11:26 < fake> or a garage with your flat
11:27 < fake> and you don't phear galactic prices for flats...
11:29 < huebi> fake: here it's about 8-10 EUR /m^2
11:33 < fake> uh, not bad, too
11:35 * fake is having a cigarette
11:37 < tsa> guten appetit.
11:43 < fake> danke.
11:45 < fake> ich glaub ich flack mich wieder ins bett
11:45 < bluefire> fake: prinzipiell ne gute Idee
11:45 < huebi> fake: schlaf gut ;-)
11:46 * bluefire hat sich grade wach-mach-Brhe gemacht
11:47 < fake> danke ... hatte heute schon mit ner behoerde zu tun, das schlaefert ein ;)
11:47 < fake> bis nachad, oder so
11:47 < fake> *winke*
11:47 < huebi> cu fake
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11:56 < Elboras> hi
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11:59 < thalerim> moin all
11:59 < Elboras> ( le ou le foorniken :p )
12:09 < praenti> moin
12:16 < tsa> hi praenti
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12:42 < tsa> ok, i have to go to university now...
12:42 < tsa> cu later, all..
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12:45 < thalerim> praenti: ?
13:11 < rxr> re
13:21 < rxr> Cool my DSL line rocks:
13:21 < rxr> Avg: 361.12 kBit/s <- into the net ;-)
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13:47 < term_emu> ho
13:48 -!- clifford [~clifford@M082P015.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
13:48 < huebi> hi clifford
13:48 < clifford> hi.
13:49 < th> hi clifford
13:52 < clifford> rxr: are you online or just a zombie ??
13:52 < clifford> ;-)
13:55 < huebi> clifford: did you do something on the installation CD image for 1.7? I mean booting from a floppyimage, mount the CDROM and then chroot (or sth similar) to a fsimage (could be first loaded to a RAM disk)?
13:55 < clifford> yes. I sent out a mail about it some weeks ago.
13:56 < huebi> clifford: I start to remember. Is it on your last snap shot?
13:57 < clifford> sine 2002-08-14.
13:59 < huebi> clifford: Thank you. I'll have a look at it. How do you do the "chroot"? You mentioned sth about a systemcall to completely change to another rootfs.
14:03 < clifford> see 'man 2 pivot_root'
14:03 < huebi> clifford: Thank you. ;-)
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14:08 < huebi> clifford: I almost understood the linux* stuff. If I still have a question should I send a mail to the list or do you want something else?
14:10 < clifford> to the list or whoever wrote the code. It's up to you to decide that ..
14:10 < rolla_> re
14:10 < huebi> clifford: ACK
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14:11 < Krylathon> /nick thalerim
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14:21 < freed> hi all
14:21 < thalerim> moin freed
14:21 < freed> oder so
14:24 < freed> suche folgendes paket socks5-v1.0r11.tar.gz kann mir das jemand bitte zukommen lassen?
14:26 < rxr> re
14:26 < rxr> hi clifford_away
14:26 < freed> hi rxr
14:27 < rxr> hi freed
14:28 < rxr> clifford_away: still near your box ?
14:30 * rxr away
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15:38 < rolla_> Hmm I cannot get my cluster build to use my an node other than the master :(
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15:40 < Mike1> Good day
15:40 < huebi> moin Mike1
15:40 < Mike1> hi huebi how are things?
15:41 < rolla_> Mike1
15:41 < huebi> Mike1: fine. I'm still diging in linux*. But I get closer to sth working.
15:41 < Mike1> huebi: nice to hear that
15:44 < Mike1> huebi: Anders and I are currently working having evolutions, gnumeric and abiword included in the base of private tree
15:44 < Mike1> Gnome2 is 100% funtional by now
15:44 < huebi> Mike1: nice to hear that
15:45 < Mike1> huebi: including packages required from 1.4 to satisfy dependencies with some packages
15:47 < Mike1> huebi: hopefully sometime you will have a look at it and allow us to include it on the cvs tree, i am looking forward to see us as one the very first distros with gnome2 included on a Stable tree :)
15:48 < huebi> Mike1: first 1.5 maust be stable ;-) That means linux* and the install-disks must work fine.
15:49 < Mike1> huebi: yeah i am sure you will be finished with it soon :)
15:50 < huebi> Mike1: Yes, I'm getting forward with it.
15:55 < Mike1> :)
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16:22 < armijn> re
16:22 < huebi> moin armijn
16:22 < armijn> hi huebi
16:22 < huebi> armijn: nice to see you ;-)
16:23 < armijn> ah, ok
16:23 < armijn> too hot too work
16:23 < armijn> as usual
16:23 < armijn> ehr, to work that is
16:24 < huebi> here it's raining.
16:25 < armijn> again?
16:25 < armijn> rivers flooding again?
16:26 < huebi> no. here I'm about 270m above sealevel. Next to the castle "Frankenstein"
16:26 < Mike1> hi armijn :)
16:26 < armijn> hi
16:26 < Mike1> armijn: glad to see you
16:28 < armijn> seems everybody is
16:28 < huebi> armijn, Mike1: I think till tomorrow there is a chance for me to get the linux* working.
16:28 < armijn> kewl
16:28 < Mike1> huebi: hey that would be awesome!
16:28 < Mike1> armijn: kewl?
16:29 < armijn> kewl == cool
16:29 < Mike1> cool?
16:29 < armijn> yeah
16:29 < huebi> Mike1: wrong spelled "kool" *g*
16:29 < Mike1> :P
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16:32 < thalerim> re
16:32 < Mike1> hi thalerim
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16:36 < thalerim> does anyone know a console irc client that is ncurses based and that's why provide a several-windows-possibility?
16:37 < huebi> irssi has several windows
16:37 < Ge0rG> even irc2 does ;)
16:37 < armijn> epic
16:39 < thalerim> armijn: i use it, but the rock package doesn't include the help files. Is it possible to create a new window for every channel you're in?
16:40 < armijn> yeah, but I never use that, so I wouldn't know how :)
16:40 < thalerim> uh
16:40 < huebi> thalerim: do you want to try irssi
16:40 < huebi> ?
16:41 < thalerim> is it usable in console?
16:41 < Ge0rG> irssi is really worth trying
16:41 < Ge0rG> thalerim: yes, ncurses based...
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16:41 < thalerim> okay.
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16:41 < thalerim> re mike
16:41 < Mike1> re
16:42 < huebi> Irssi: Client: irssi 0.8.5 (20020313 0430) <- the newest one
16:42 < thalerim> okay, then i must rsync
16:43 < huebi> http://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/irssi/
16:43 < thalerim> oh
16:44 < thalerim> couldn't i do a ./scripts/Update -package irssi?
16:45 < huebi> thalerim: moment, please
16:46 < huebi> thalerim: mkdir -p ./base-config/irssi
16:47 < thalerim> why is it moved to based-config?
16:49 < thalerim> huebi: ?
16:49 < huebi> there was no irc client in base. Essential to work with ROCK Linux as you can see here and in the old logs
16:50 < huebi> ;-)
16:50 < thalerim> huebi: Is there any automatism that removes it out of ext-? (yes, i could do it myself, of course - i'm just interested)
16:51 < huebi> thalerim: Yes, 'cvs up -dP' works fine.
16:52 < huebi> or remove it yourself
16:53 < thalerim> okay, did ... as well as i created the dir in base-config. Can i Update now?
16:53 < huebi> thalerim: Yes, you can.
16:55 < thalerim> damn it takes a while
16:55 < thalerim> i'll do it later, must go offline now for a moment
16:55 < thalerim> cu
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17:27 < Mike1> [anders]: awake?
17:29 < huebi> Mike1: [anders] lost the connection to his box at home and is now offline. I think he will come back in ~2h
17:29 < Mike1> huebi: oh :( ok
17:29 < Mike1> huebi: i am syncronizing my private tree with current cvs its been almost a 3 weeks not updating it
17:30 < Mike1> after i finish this i keep adding features on it, and possibly will take care of seeting up an ext packages mirror
17:30 < huebi> kool.
17:31 < Mike1> huebi: i wanna work on this hard as it would be way cool to get the stable release with both base+opt and ext
17:32 < huebi> Mike1: Thank you for your effort. ;-))
17:33 < Mike1> huebi: no problem my friend its an honor to be working on ur side
17:34 < huebi> Mike1: you're welcome. ;-)
17:37 < tomik> hi huebi
17:38 < huebi> hi tomik ;-)
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18:08 < Freak> nifty.. wanna make me happy? -> http://thinkgeek.org/stuff/computing/5a15.shtml ;)
18:09 < capchaos> hi Freak
18:09 < zer0_o> hi all
18:09 < capchaos> hi zer0_o
18:10 < zer0_o> Freak ? what should that be?
18:10 < zer0_o> ;)
18:10 < zer0_o> hi cap
18:10 < zer0_o> sound with a window?
18:10 < zer0_o> LOL
18:10 * capchaos has a big window hmm
18:11 < zer0_o> now u think there is a good sound with a big window?
18:11 < zer0_o> =P
18:11 < Freak> zer0_o: right ;) thats g-reat! ;)
18:11 < Freak> you only need a subwoofer to make it perfect ;)
18:12 < capchaos> zer0_o: windows can't make good sound
18:12 < capchaos> ;)
18:13 < zer0_o> that's what YOU think lol
18:13 < Freak> dangit.. anyone have a photography of a keyboard with a tux instead of the windos-keys?
18:13 < zer0_o> if i had enough money , i'd buy that shit =)
18:13 < Freak> google finds _one_ but the site isnt reachable.
18:16 < Freak> h3lP!
18:16 < Freak> ReDRum
18:18 < Freak> google finds redrum tho..
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18:30 < thalerim> re
18:39 < thalerim> huebi: ???
18:41 < huebi> thalerim: jo?
18:42 < thalerim> ./scripts/Update irssi seems not to do anything
18:43 < huebi> thalerim: Is on the ToDo List now. Please get the files manually at:
18:43 < huebi> thalerim: http://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/irssi/
18:43 < thalerim> aaaaargs
18:44 < thalerim> jetzt muss ich auch noch diese ellenlange url abtippen ;)
18:45 < huebi> thalerim: Copy und paste mit der maus?
18:46 < zer0_o> lo
18:46 < zer0_o> lol
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18:47 < thalerim> huebi: ich sitz an nem anderen pc, dude :P
18:47 < clifford> rxr: still there?
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18:54 < Mike1> hi clifford
18:54 < clifford> hi Mike
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18:57 < thalerim> huebi: how can I get the files? the url above is just the webfrontend, isn't it?
18:58 < huebi> thalerim: Yes. Excuse me. Moment
18:59 < huebi> http://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/rock-1.5/base-config/irssi/irssi.conf   .pz .desc
19:01 < thalerim> ah, thx
19:04 < clifford> rxr: please send me the patch. I have to go now again ..
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19:07 < thalerim> huebi: Don't i need to change the base-archive/INDEX as well?
19:07 < Mike1> huebi: base-config/gaspell still exists you should remove the dir as you already removed the package
19:08 < huebi> Mike1: ACK
19:11 < thalerim> hm?
19:12 < huebi> thalerim: Just run ./scripts/Puzzle
19:13 < thalerim> ah... yeah i remember... sorry for this stupid question... in 1.7 there isn't this sc ript anymore, iirc
19:18 < Mike1> huebi: i finally got rock-1.5.18-Gnome2 syncronized with cvs tree, no i work on the extensions mirror
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19:18 < huebi> Mike1: Great. ;-)
19:19 < Mike1> huebi: i guess i will find some out of date packages so it will take a bit as i also will update them :)
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19:23 < huebi> Mike1: The solution for gaspell is to use: 'cvs up -dP'. Then the empty directory will be deleted.
19:25 < Mike1> huebi: ok i will keep it on mind if i find things like that inthe future
19:25 < Mike1> huebi: you removed gaspell dir or you should i do it?
19:27 < huebi> Mike1: The directory needs to stay in cvs to checkout older versions. So the best way is to use 'cvs up -dP'
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19:50 < tsa> hi
19:50 < huebi> re tsa
19:50 < Mike1> hi tsa
19:51 < tsa> hi huebi
19:51 < tsa> hi Mike1
19:51 < huebi> tsa: I will be at Livingston tomorrow. Can you /msg me your phone number?
19:51 < tsa> sure.
19:51 < huebi> tsa: I'll be there at 9h00
19:52 < tsa> that's fine with me, have to be at work at 8.15, anyway..
19:58 < rolla_> are there big problems with latest 17.dev ?
20:02 < rolla_> I keep having problems with bin-utils building
20:03 * Mike1 away for lunch
20:10 < esden> hi all
20:11 < rolla_> re
20:11 < tsa> cop ru st
20:12 < tsa> arghs.
20:12 < tsa> wrong window.
20:14 < thalerim> clifford_away: PING?
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20:38 < tobrit> irssi is a bit complicate ... hoho
20:40 < Mike1> re
20:42 < tsa> hm..
20:43 < tsa> which ios feature set do i need for nat? ip plus?
20:43 < tsa> needed for a c801, 4mb ram, 8mb flash..
20:48 < huebi> tsa: Great News: The IBM P202 works with a SUN SparcStation IPX connected with an original SUN 13W3 monitor cable.
20:48 < tsa> aaah!
20:48 < tsa> sounds good
20:48 < tsa> how do you know by now?
20:48 < tsa> already got a p202?
20:48 < huebi> Exactly that what you want?
20:49 < tsa> btw...that's a really big CRT for a really small sun workstation... ;-)
20:49 < huebi> tsa: I have2 of them and I thought to test it now and not tomorrow
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20:49 < owl> hi
20:49 < huebi> Ahh, Coffeee.
20:49 < tsa> well, i own an ultra10, but if it works with an ipx, it'll most probably work with that one, too..
20:49 < huebi> hi owl
20:50 < tsa> Coffee!
20:50 < tsa> one for me too, please.
20:50 < owl> hi huebi, tsa
20:50 < tsa> no poison, no milk, no sugar
20:50 < owl> tsa: no. just tea i can serve.
20:50 < tsa> hm...tea
20:50 < tsa> tea = gartenabfaelle + wasser
20:50 < owl> *g* kamillentee... (verdammte grippe)
20:51 < huebi> tsa: I'm too lazy to get my U5 (same mainboard as the U10) out of the "Regal"
20:51 < tsa> hehe
20:52 < tobrit> huebi: 8'( irssi isn't very good documentated at all. neither the documentation in the package nor at irssi.org clarify how to use it basicaly
20:53 < [anders]> pffft...
20:53 < tobrit> huebi: how is it possible to change to a new window that created already?
20:53 < [anders]> Mike1: had dinner and just got the computer up and running..
20:54 < Mike1> hi owly
20:54 < huebi> tobrit: <ESC> 2 or <ALT> and <- or ->
20:54 < Mike1> [anders]: hehe i was wondering where you were
20:54 < Mike1> [anders]: Rock-1.5.18-Gnome2 tree is updated
20:54 < Mike1> please rsync back
20:54 < [anders]> Mike1: okidoki... :)
20:54 < Mike1> hopefully you got cvs ready?
20:55 < [anders]> I managed to lock myself out of my box...
20:55 < Mike1> [anders] i was just going to send you an email but since you are here
20:55 < [anders]> I put an explanation on the wiki.. :)
20:55 < Mike1> mmm ok
20:55 < [anders]> I forgot 'sshd: ALL' in hosts.allow
20:56 < Mike1> lol
20:57 < tobrit> huebi: mh. no. i created a splitted window with /window new - now the screen is splitted, but i want to have every channel of one server in the upper window and of the server in the lower one.
20:57 < Mike1> [anders]: sh!t happens
20:57 < [anders]> and since ssh actually looks at hosts.allow it sort of refused to talk to me while I was at work. And it was a bit hard figuring it out while I was still at home.. As soon as I got in to work I realised what had happened as ssh just refused me.. :-/
20:57 < tobrit> huebi: /window item move ... or so
20:58 < huebi> tobrit: I nver user /window new
20:58 < [anders]> tobrit: are you talking about irssi and moving 'windows' ? '/window move left' or '/window move right' does what you want.
20:59 < [anders]> other than that '/help window' should be useful.. ;-)
21:00 < [anders]> Mike1: sh*t happens indeed. I was not too pleased as I was going to do all the moving of filesystems etc and set up a CVS server.. :-/
21:00 < tobrit> mom, will reconnect. have done some changes on the config file
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21:01 < Mike1> mm :(
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21:03 < [anders]> Mike1: What I did do was create my own (or rather add to) ToDo list in the wiki.. so viewing my user page should show the todo list..
21:06 < theogenis> hu... complicate
21:08 < Mike1> [anders]: nice ToDoList
21:08 < Mike1> you even mention Woden
21:08 < Mike1> :)
21:08 < [anders]> Mike1: I was spending a few minutes last night jotting down what I needed to do so I would remember to do it today.. And then I locked myself out with sheer stupidity..
21:09 < Mike1> i you are updating firewall rulez i can help
21:09 < theogenis> [anders]: i dunno what is going on... but i created a new window and just wrote /window move up... now - pressing all time ctrl+p/n - it goes thru the list of channels and display one into the upper and the other into the lower. This isn't what i want: I want a keybinding like in screen, you know?
21:09 < Mike1> [anders]: hehe yeah well i am sure it will never happen to you again
21:10 < theogenis> test
21:10 < tsa> test failed.
21:10 < [anders]> theogenis: alt+1, alt+2
21:11 < [anders]> Mike1: I would not bet on it matey.. :) I have a way of 'experimenting' with things and then it might take a while to realise that the experimenting introduced some slightly unwanted side-effects.. Like a little too good security..
21:12 < Mike1> hehe yeah
21:13 < theogenis> no. irssi seems to have a catenated list it walks thru. I want to have such a list for every window... say prssing ctrl+tab will set the focus to another window. Now in this window i can press ctrl+p/n to walk thru the list of this window.
21:14 < theogenis> i hope it's understandable what i want to express
21:15 < [anders]> theogenis: I sort of understand what u want, but I do not think irssi has implemented that feature...
21:16 < [anders]> bbl
21:16 < theogenis> ow. how is it possible to control several windows with several channels within a window?
21:17 * theogenis . o O ( why is the only way to be satisfied to do it by his own? )
21:17 < theogenis> s,to do, in doing,
21:29 < Mike1> rolla_: http://www.hack-solutions.com/~mike2/ROCK/1.5/1.5.18/
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21:31 < rolla_> danke
21:32 < Mike1>        ________
21:32 < Mike1>       < Bitte! >
21:32 < Mike1>        --------
21:32 < Mike1>         \   ,__,
21:32 < Mike1>          \  (--)____
21:32 < Mike1>             (__)    )\
21:32 < Mike1>            ~o/ ||--|| *
21:34 < tsa> hehe
21:34 < tsa> nice cow.
21:34 < Mike1> tsa: :)
21:34 < tsa> what's his/her name?
21:35 < Mike1> doesnt have a name yet
21:35 < tsa> i see.
21:35 < Mike1> should we find one?
21:35 < tsa> sure
21:36 < Mike1> btw the Unnamed cow is (C) by fake :)
21:36 < tsa> hm....
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21:36 < tsa> fake didn't supply a name?
21:37 < tsa> hm..
21:37 < Mike1> tsa: nah that cow was created some time ago on a very boring day
21:37 < tsa> hehe
21:37 < owl> re
21:37 < tsa> can it make coffee?
21:37 < Mike1> NO! we got owl for that duty
21:38 < Mike1> dutty*
21:38 < owl> :PPP
21:38 < tsa> hm..
21:38 * owl is too dead to complain about it.
21:38 < tsa> owl doesn't know how to make coffee, she said..
21:38 < Mike1> owl: make tsa and me some coffee before you die please
21:39 < huebi> Pauline? is that a good idea?
21:39 < tsa> owl does neither cook nor clean things up, ...
21:39 < Mike1> tsa: an she will learn
21:39 * owl serves coffee
21:39 < owl> with poison
21:39 < Mike1> Pauline... sounds nice
21:39 < tsa> owl doesn't behave like a good woman at all, it seems..
21:39 < owl> tsa: of course not. cuz i'm evil
21:39 < tsa> hm..
21:40 < tsa> can anybody confirm owl is a woman at all?
21:40 < tsa> .oO( most women on irc are men... )
21:40 < Mike1> huebi: i like it
21:40 < owl> tsa: no.
21:40 < tsa> i see.
21:41 < huebi> tsa: confirmed!
21:41 < tsa> huebi: hm....how do you know?
21:42 < owl> tsa: cuz i'm not looking like a man. if you would open your eyes and have a look to the photos, then even you would know it
21:42 < Mike1> huebi: mmm... tell us about it
21:42 < huebi> We have been in Vienna together. And a man would finally make coffee
21:42 < rolla_> what photo's
21:42 < owl> rolla_: eh. nothing.. ;P
21:43 < Mike1> huebi: whats is fakes url?
21:43 < huebi> Mike1: I don't know
21:44 < Mike1> mmm anyone knows fakes page?
21:44 * Mike1 goes to google
21:45 < tsa> owl woman: 167000 hits
21:46 < tsa> owl man: 328000 hits
21:46 < tsa> hm...
21:46 < owl> tsa: bla.
21:46 < theogenis> [anders]: okay.. i slowly come behind the intention of the authors how to use irssi ... hihi ... :-)
21:47 < theogenis> lol@tsa
21:49 < tsa> owl: yes, please?
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21:51 < owl> tsa: ???
21:51 < tsa> oh, i just thought you would say something more than "bla"...
21:51 < tsa> or are you busy making coffee?
21:52 < owl> tsa: i'm too lazy/dead/whatever to complain.
21:54 < th> router          520/udp #  local routing process (on site);
21:54 < th> where do i need that for?
21:55 < tsa> asa-appl-proto  502/udp #  asa-appl-proto
21:55 < tsa> erhm.
21:55 < tsa> wrong port
21:55 < tsa> router          520/udp #  local routing process (on site);
21:55 < tsa> #                          uses variant of Xerox NS routing
21:55 < tsa> #                          information protocol - RIP
21:55 < th> rip ok
21:57 < Mike1> Hi th
21:57 < th> hi Mike1
21:59 < owl> moin th
21:59 < th> hi owl
22:05 < rolla_> hallo th
22:05 < huebi> hi th
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22:13 < th> Aug 28 22:23:30 gate init: Id "SV" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes
22:13 < th> was mach ich falsch?
22:14 < huebi> th whats in /etc/inittab begining with SV?
22:14 < th> SV:12345:respawn:env - PATH=/opt/daemontools/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/bin svscan /service </dev/null >/dev/console 2>/dev/console
22:15 < th> ouhm
22:15 < th> lol
22:15 < th> forget it
22:15 < huebi> hmm
22:15 < th> /opt/daemontools/bin does not exist ;)
22:15 < huebi> *g*
22:15 < th> extension seems broken
22:17 < th> strange extension
22:18 < th> extension installs ok. but it results just in an "build-environment"
22:18 < th> infact this is only a build script
22:18 < th> which fails
22:18 < th> # [M] Chris Hamilton <chris@ambigc.com> {Ext maintainer}
22:18 < th> bad boy
22:19 < th> after build-script fails - the build script is gone
22:20 < th> hmmm the make fails
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22:25 < susi> huhu, hello ripclaw how are you ;)
22:26 < th> could someone please affirm that daemontools-extension is broken in 1.5?
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22:27 < Mike1> r
22:27 < Mike1> e
22:28 < th> huebi:?
22:29 < huebi> th: jo?
22:29 < th> huebi: please affirm that daemontools-extension is broken in 1.5
22:30 < huebi> th: I never tested it, sorry. What is broken?
22:30 < th> huebi: the build script fails
22:30 < th> which is created by the ext
22:30 < huebi> th: can you fix it?
22:30 < th> i think so
22:31 < huebi> kool
22:31 < th> in fact i'm on it ATM
22:31 < th> but it will change things a bit
22:31 < th> # $Id: daemontools.ext,v 1.3 2002/02/28 00:38:29 huebi Exp $
22:31 < th> i think it's ok ;)
22:32 < huebi> Yes, it's ok.
22:33 < th> oh boy djb really is a bastard
22:33 < Mike1> th as in Bastard Package From Hell?
22:33 < huebi> hehe
22:34 < th> sorta
22:34 < Mike1> *g
22:37 < th> huebi: shall i overwrite [M]?
22:37 < huebi> th jo.
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22:42 < th> huebi: ouhm. /etc/inittab in flist is a really bad idea
22:43 < huebi> th: why?
22:43 < th> huebi: think of what happens when i deinstall daemontools ;)
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22:45 < huebi> flistdel="$flistdel|/etc/inittab"
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22:45 < th> huebi: at once
22:48 < th> huebi: created flist is incorrect for daemontools stuff
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23:02 * tsa leaving for some beers..
23:02 < tsa> cu tomorrow..
23:02 < capchaos> bye tsa
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23:29 < th> how to i make djb's dnscache to listen to multiple IPs?
23:31 < th> hmm
23:31 < th> run multiple instances...
23:31 < th> grmpf
23:32 < huebi> th: SMP has very much knowledge about djbdns.
23:32 < th> huebi: yea but he is quite absent
23:32 < th> huebi: but i found the answer
23:32 < th> it's not possible
23:32 < th> i would need to run multiple instances
23:33 < huebi> th: I'm very glad that you fix it. I want to try it here, too.
23:36 < th> hmmmmm /me is a bit iptables confused
23:36 < th> gurus inside?
23:37 < th> hmmm
23:37 < th> problem solved
23:37 < huebi> iptables? The tables to sort Ip's on?
23:37 < th> ;-)
23:37 < th> i've to think about this dmz concept again...
23:37 < th> hmmm
23:37 < th> going home for now..
23:37 < th> later
23:37 < huebi> cu th
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23:52 < huebi> good night. ;-)
23:54 < Mike1> nacht th
23:54 < Mike1> que tal rawl?
23:56 < rawl> =)
23:56 < rawl> como le va?
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