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00:42 < Mike1> bye all
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01:35 < tsa> n8
01:36 < th> grmpf ich hab zu wenig udma kabel
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07:39 < huebi> moin
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11:15 < praenti> moin
11:15 < praenti> huebi: have we had a change in the last 2 month in gcc build files?
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11:24 < huebi> moin praenti
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11:25 < huebi> moin th
11:25 < huebi> praenti: have a look at the webcvs
11:25 < praenti> huebi: i have found one
11:26 < term_emu> mornin
11:26 < huebi> http://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/gcc/
11:26 < huebi> praenti: the fis for $MAKE
11:26 < thalerim> moin all
11:26 < praenti> huebi: i will install the binutils on my running system. if i get the same error. binutils are the problem otherwise we have a problem with gcc
11:27 < huebi> praenti: yes, please test it.
11:27 < thalerim> praenti: 2.5.33 is out ;)
11:29 < huebi> praenti: lilo 22.3.3 is out (and now updated in cvs)
11:29 < praenti> thalerim: i will try it on my new system, if i get linux-pkg  compile
11:50 < thalerim> wo bleibt nur owl ... *grummel*
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12:02 < bluefire> Moin
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12:28 < netcrow> hi
12:28 < thaly^hw> moin
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12:43 < thalerim> moin zero
12:44 < praenti_compile> could anybody have a look on grep and how you can disable libpcre-checking
12:44 < thalerim> ???
12:45 < praenti_compile> thalerim: i have tried some options but the configure detected libpcre all the time (cause it is installed as long as the compile is in stage 1)
12:46 < thalerim> what is libpcre ? ;)
12:46 < praenti_compile> thalerim: a library with extended regexp support
12:47 < praenti_compile> thalerim: should be in kde for better regexp support
12:47 < thalerim> if it's a feature (by meaning of it's "unpluggable"), it can be disabled by --disable-<featurename> usually
12:49 < praenti_compile> thalerim: this is the result: checking for pcre_exec in -lpcre... yes
12:49 < praenti_compile> and it should be no
12:49 < thalerim> isn't there a --disable- option for it?
12:50 < huebi> praenti_compile: normaly this shut be an issue of autoconf. The configure.in file has to be changed. Log in the changelog after the last update of autoconf
12:50 < huebi> s/shut/should/
12:50 < huebi> s/Log/Look/
12:51 < thalerim> normally is that you disable it with --disable-
12:51 < thalerim> :P
12:51 < praenti_compile> not really. i have tried --disable-pcre --without-pcre ..-pcre_exec ..-libpcre
12:51 < thalerim> what says .configure --help?
12:51 < huebi> thalerim: Won't work.
12:51 < praenti_compile> huebi: that is the configure from the tarball
12:52 < praenti_compile> huebi: there is no running autconf.
12:52 < huebi> praenti_compile: grep 2.5
12:52 < huebi> ?
12:52 < praenti_compile> huebi: yes. the problem is in stage 1 the build-system can see my /usr/lib
12:52 < huebi> autoconf 2.53?
12:53 < praenti_compile> huebi: andpcre is present there
12:54 < praenti_compile> huebi: in stage 2 the build-system use its own libs and not the libs from /usr/lib, so i have not anymore the libpcre-lubs
12:54 < praenti_compile> s/lubs/libs
12:54 < praenti_compile> and this results in an error of a missing shared object
12:55 < praenti_compile> huebi: this problem is only on system where pcre is installed like mine
12:57 < praenti_compile> huebi: the only workaround i have is  to mv /usr/lib/libpcre* /(any-directory outside ldlibrarypath) and then ldconfig
12:57 < praenti_compile> huebi: then start the rock-compile
12:57 < praenti_compile> ;-)
13:02 < huebi> ah, ok ;-)
13:03 < praenti_compile> huebi: i ask the grep maintainer, if we can get an option
13:03 < praenti_compile> ;-)
13:03 < huebi> kool ;-)
13:15 < [anders]> god eftermiddag allihopa (morgon för dem det berör..)... *gäsp*
13:15 < [anders]> moin huebi, thalerim & praenti_compile
13:15 < thalerim> lol
13:15 < thalerim> moin
13:16 < [anders]> Well, CVS via SSH2 now working..
13:16 < thalerim> morgon för dem det berör?
13:16 < thalerim> before the bureau?
13:16 < huebi> moin [anders]. nice to see you.
13:17 < [anders]> no, 'berör' means loosely xlated 'relates to'
13:17 < [anders]> moin huebi :)
13:18 < thalerim> oups *g*
13:19 < [anders]> thalerim: swedish isn't the easiest language to read if you don't know it, but I'd claim finnish is worse.. ;-)
13:20 < thalerim> swedish is comparable easy to understand for a german. the history went from german to danish, and from danish to swedish
13:20 < [anders]> now I need to figure out how SMP set up anonymous CVS/SSH access and implement that. I could do it via pserver, but that is probably a bad idea.. ;-)
13:20 < huebi> [anders]: Yes, I heared in finnish you're not forced how to spell a word.
13:21 < thalerim> [anders]: there're germanic roots in swedish ...
13:21 < thalerim> finnish has absolutely no roots in any language.
13:21 < [anders]> huebi: the real problem is that finnish belongs to the finish-urgish language tree and swedish, english and german all belong to the latin language tree. there is no commonality between the two trees and so it becomes hard..
13:21 < thalerim> same is with hungarian
13:22 < [anders]> thalerim: finnish and hungarian are distantly related..
13:22 < [anders]> iirc that is.. :)
13:22 < thalerim> could be
13:23 < [anders]> thalerim: if I had time I would not mind learning latin, but as time is not so available, I will probably never get to do it.
13:23 < huebi> I know someone who 'wrote' a printer driver for an hunarian power plant via telephone. Not that easy with 23 "Umlaute'
13:24 < [anders]> erk...
13:25 < thalerim> [anders]: hehe... i am going to choose latin as a "leistungskurs" (mainn subject) for the "abitur" (somewhat like matriculation)
13:25 < [anders]> There is really only åäöé in swedish..
13:25 < thalerim> probably old greek as well as
13:26 < [anders]> thalerim: you are going to learn latin? kool! once you know latin, you will find the other languages in western europe easier to learn.. :)
13:26 < thalerim> [anders]: uh
13:26 < thalerim> [anders]: i've bee nlearning latin since 5 years
13:27 < thalerim> but in the german school system you must specify 3 subjects as leistungkurse
13:28 < [anders]> thalerim: I don't know how the schools work in germany.. :-/ Hell, I don't even know how they work here in UK or how they work in Sweden now as it was about 10 years since I left school there..
13:29 < [anders]> so if you have been doing latin for about five years, you should be able to read/write it reasonably easy by now.. ;-)
13:29 < thalerim> no *g*
13:29 < thalerim> latin is a dead language, that means you translate always texts from latin to german
13:29 < praenti_compile> moin aszlig
13:29 < thalerim> to discuss about them then
13:30 < praenti_compile> moin [anders]
13:30 < [anders]> morning praenti_compile :)
13:30 < [anders]> thalerim: surely there are ways to resurrect latin as a spoken language?
13:30 < praenti_compile> [anders]: have a little problems with my keyboard layout
13:31 < [anders]> praenti_compile: don't tell me, you have a german layout kbd but you are using it with a dvorak kbd layout? ;-)
13:31 < thalerim> [anders]: there is a yearly meeting in germany where all people speak latin only for 2-3 days or so
13:31 < [anders]> thalerim: I could understand if people didn't try and resurrect gothic as a lanuage as there are little texts available about it and no alive speakers of it..
13:31 < praenti_compile> [anders]: german layout but my Alt Gr does not work
13:32 < thalerim> praenti_compile: ah, i had the same problem in X
13:32 < [anders]> praenti_compile: aahh.. I have that problem in GnomeTerminal.. everywhere else it works..
13:32 < praenti_compile> oh. i'm not the only one
13:33 < praenti_compile> have you all the same error on the console
13:33 < praenti_compile> The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:
13:33 < praenti_compile> > Error:            Can't find file "unknown" for geometry include
13:33 < praenti_compile> >                   Exiting
13:33 < praenti_compile> >                   Abandoning geometry file "default"
13:33 < praenti_compile> Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server
13:34 < praenti_compile> this is printed all the time i press alt gr
13:34 < thalerim> [anders]: btw. 55% of the *normal* english vocabulary have their roots in latin. In papers by universities is about 70%
13:34 < thalerim> praenti_compile: yes, had the same
13:34 < thalerim> praenti_compile: see above there was a error message about a keymap
13:35 < thalerim> i searched for this keymap and fixed a typo or something like that
13:35 < praenti_compile> i dont see that. i have the problem since i copied my directories on my new hd
13:35 * thalerim has spent 2 whole days to discover this fscking error
13:35 < praenti_compile> i think i have lost some rights
13:35 < [anders]> thalerim: interesting.. I know most western languages are derived from latin one way or another..
13:36 < thalerim> praenti_compile: always copy with the tar-liner, you know?
13:37 < [anders]> thalerim: or use cpio.. cpio -p is always a good one..
13:38 < thalerim> for small copies i just use cp -A ;)
13:38 < [anders]> heh..
13:38 < th> tar cf - foo | ( cd /target ; tar xfv - )
13:38 < th> that's the way ;)
13:38 < thalerim> yo. as i said
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13:39 < thaly^pic> so now i must draw again
13:39 < th> thaly^pic: i did that last two nights ;)
13:39 < [anders]> th: I'd use 'tar cf - foo | ( cd /target ; tar xf - )' as it is quicker. No console output.. ;-)
13:39 < th> [anders]: i like the output.
13:40 < th> [anders]: that way i know that it's still running ;)
13:40 < [anders]> th: depends how much you are copying I suppose..
13:40 < th> [anders]: 106GB last two nights twice
13:40 < thaly^pic> this will make framebuffer crawl ;)
13:40 < [anders]> we regularly copy ~2.5GB at work over the network, and belive me, you don't want the console output then..
13:40 < th> i put it into a screen
13:41 < [anders]> it'll still slow it down.. :)
13:41 < th> i don't look at the console output but when i'm interested in
13:41 < th> depends on avrg filesize
13:41 * [anders] uses du -sk to find out if the copy is still running...
13:41 < th> slows down performance too ;)
13:42 < [anders]> but only when you run it.. ;-)
13:42 < th> yes
13:42 < th> problems arise when you don't have anough disc-space
13:42 < [anders]> got to phone my parents now.. their 30th wedding anniversary today..
13:42 < th> i had to move data from software raid to hardware raid on same drives
13:43 < th> so i needed to swap it somewhere
13:43 < th> somewhere else
13:43 < th> tar cfz - foo | ( cd /target ; split -b1800m -) helps then
13:43 < [anders]> heh
13:44 < huebi> th: It get _really_ slow if you get the output to the normal SUN console.
13:44 * [anders] <- afk(phone, "a while");
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13:44 < th> but CAD data is extremly compressable
13:44 < th> huebi: yes
13:44 < th> huebi: but as i said... it's an invisible screen
13:45 < huebi> Or the old Digital OpenGL Consoles. Each letter is drawn in OpenGL.
13:45 < th> hehe
13:46 < th> ok need some sleep now...
13:46 < huebi> th: a closed screen session should be as fast as without output.
13:46 < huebi> th: sleep well ;-)
13:46 < th> huebi: that's what i thought
13:46 < huebi> th: how was the 3ware installation?
13:46 < th> huebi: very well
13:46 < th> huebi: no problems at all
13:47 < th> well...
13:47 < th> first lilo-try resulted in "LI"
13:47 < th> i decided for grub without hesitating
13:47 < th> no problems with it
13:47 < huebi> ok
13:47 < th> don't know why i even considered lilo ;)
13:47 < huebi> I'm still thinking about such a controller...
13:47 < th> perhaps because grub was not in the base as of rock-1.4.0
13:48 < th> huebi: don't miss the cabling
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13:48 < th> huebi: i still need 2 UDMA cables
13:48 < th> huebi: had to take down 2 workstations
13:48 < th> (to get their cables)
13:48 < huebi> sold without cables as I saw...
13:48 < th> huebi: need to get cabling till tomorrow morning
13:48 < th> naja.
13:49 < th> zum glueck ist ja ladenschluss hier aufgehoben und ich kann evtl. heute welche kaufen
13:49 < huebi> ah gut. *g*
13:49 < th> is bloss die frage welche laden sowas fuehrt
13:50 < th> meine kleinen laeden haben natuerlich nich auf, wo ich sowas sonst kaufe
13:50 < th> mediamarkt? saturn? karstadt? ich hab da so meine zweifel
13:50 < th> naja die haben heute alle bis 1800h auf ich hab noch zeit und schlaf erstmal
13:51 < th> die daten sind zumindest alle wieder aufm neuen hardware raid und jetzt auch noch 50% mehr kapazitaet durch umstellung von raid1+raid0 auf raid5
13:51 < huebi> mediamarkt? saturn? <- die haben das
13:51 < th> huebi: echt?
13:51 < th> huebi: cool dann sollte mein problem geloest sein
13:51 < th> dues ich nachher mal hin
13:51 < huebi> aber zu horrenden Preisen.
13:51 < th> is glaub ich dem kunden wurst ;)
13:52 < th> solange die kabel von der qualitaet ok sind
13:52 < huebi> Bleisolen in die Schuhe legen, sonst kippst du rueckwaerts um...
13:52 < th> ohh ok
13:52 < th> so nun aber zzZZzz
13:52 < huebi> die Qualitaet ist immer gleich miess.
13:53 < th> schoen das beruhigt ;)
13:53 < thalerim> huebi: sach mal einen anständigen presi für ein 5m cross-over kabel
13:53 < huebi> so, und jetzt schlaf gut
13:53 < huebi> thalerim: 1,50 EUR
13:53 < thalerim> kennt ihr vobis?
13:54 < thalerim> da kostet das 11euro *lol*
13:55 < huebi> In Mannheim gibt es einen Grosshaendler, bei dem kosten die normalen Kabel ungefaehr 1 EUR.
13:55 < thalerim> mannheim ist hier 2h weg *g+
13:56 < huebi> 30 -35 min
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14:00 < thalerim> moin chris
14:02 < chrisime> hallo
14:02 < thalerim> das heißt 'moin'! ;)
14:09 < chrisime> mir egal
14:12 < thalerim> mim falschen fuß aufgestanden?
14:14 * huebi playing Quake2 again. 1st time since 18 Months
14:19 < huebi> and all hardware, except the CPU, for the quake PC is recycled crap
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14:25 < huebi> hmm. I need a to activeate the joystick...
15:49 < rxr> e
15:49 < rxr> s/e/re/
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15:50 < owl> hi
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15:57 < tsa> tag
15:57 < rxr> hi tsa
15:57 < tsa> hi rxr
15:57 < owl> hi tsa
15:59 < tsa> hm..
15:59 < tsa> was tut das vektorprodukt?
15:59 < snyke> existiern!
15:59 < tsa> hm...
16:00 < tsa> der ergebnis-vektor ist offenbar orthogonal zu den beiden anderen.
16:00 < tsa> aber was ist mit der laenge? sagt die auch was aus?
16:00 < snyke> hm.
16:00 < snyke> das war eigentlich stoff der 8. kl. (letztes Jahr)
16:00 < snyke> keine Ahnung.
16:00 < snyke> es sind Ferien.
16:00 < snyke> da weiss ich sowas ned
16:00 < tsa> hehe
16:05 < owl> weiss jemand ob und wie ich - hinter einem proxy - das download script der 1.7 zum laufen bekomme?
16:07 < rxr> owl: man curl
16:07 < rxr> ALL_PROXY
16:07 < tsa> reoncoden im zweifelsfall.
16:07 < rxr> Sets  proxy  server  to use if no protocol-specific
16:07 < rxr>               proxy is set.
16:07 < tsa> reincoden even
16:07 < tsa> das curl-zeug kenn das bestimmt..
16:07 < rxr> So ALL_PROXY="dein_proxy" ...
16:07 < rxr> Should work (untested)
16:07 < owl> ok. danke.
16:07 < tsa> (auch wenn ich wget ja lieber mag..)
16:08 < rxr> curl is maechtiger und sauberer ;-)
16:11 < tsa> wget tut.
16:12 < owl> was man (zumindest in meinem fall) von curl nicht behaupten kann...
16:13 < rxr> tut das setzen von ALL_PROXY nicht ?
16:14 < owl> noe. nicht so wirklich... meinen proxy empfaengt nicht mal...
16:16 < th> also ich setze immer HTTP_PROXY und FTP_PROXY und dann nutzt Download ueber wget auch den proxy
16:17 < owl> th: wget funktioniert ja auch problemlos... aber curl...
16:17 < th> achso...
16:18 < tsa> .oO( wget funktioniert so gut, deswegen nehmen wir jetzt curl.. )
16:18 < owl> hehe ;)
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16:23 < netcrow> where can i leech the newest version of rock?
16:24 < netcrow> iso
16:24 < tsa> ftp://iso.rocklinux.de
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16:28 < owl> re
16:28 < tsa> re owly
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17:21 < praenti> huebi: da?
17:23 < huebi> jo
17:24 < praenti> huebi: das kernel problem liegt in unserem kernel-build-skript. in der chroot läuft das wenn ich manuell make dep clean bzImage mache
17:24 < praenti> ich geh der sache mal auf den grund
17:24 < huebi> praenti: ok
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17:54 < rxr> hat jemand die ROCK-1.4 PowerPC ISOs rumliegen ?
17:55 < praenti> huebi: linux.conf manuell geht auch
17:57 < martin_> rxr: *g*
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18:09 < owl> re
18:10 < tsa> re owly
18:10 < thalerim> ah owl...
18:10 < thalerim> gester neinfach weg ... huh
18:12 < owl> thalerim: *huestel* ja... ich war irgendwie -aehm - tot... --> eingeschlafen und irgendwann wurde einfach automatisch getrennt ...
18:12 < martin_> cu
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18:13 < thalerim> du solltest mehr kaffee machen *ggg*
18:13 < owl> *thalerimschlkag*
18:13 < thalerim> owl: wie auch immer, ich hatte gestern verbindugnsprobleme und hab die url nicht mitbekommen
18:13 < owl> --> query
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18:20 < thaly^shower> bbl
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18:35 < esden> hi all
18:35 < huebi> moin esden ;-)
18:35 < owl> hi esden
18:35 < tsa> hi esden
18:36 < rxr> hi esden
18:38 < esden> hi huebi owl tsa rxr 
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18:47 * -> esden made a gkrellm theme ;-)
18:47 < esden> fitting my lain theme ;-0
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18:53 < owl> re
18:53 < chrisime> jo nulll
19:05 < tsa> re owly
19:05 < tsa> :-P
19:05 < huebi> hi tsa
19:05 < tsa> jo.
19:05 < tsa> huhu huebi
19:05 < huebi> tsa: schon zum Testen gekommen?
19:05 < tsa> noe..
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19:06 * tsa pruegelt sich grad mit mathe rum..
19:06 < huebi> schzdoe...
19:06 < tsa> testen ist nachher dran..
19:06 < tsa> ;)
19:06 < thalerim> re
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19:31 < praenti> huebi: ich geb auf. ich kann da keinen fehler entdecken. wie gesagt manuell kann ich den kernel in der chroot übersetzen. Über das Build-All-Akript bekomme ich Fehler
19:32 < tsa> wassn fuer fehler?
19:37 < huebi> praenti: ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/upload/ <- kannst du das build.log dort mal hinladen
19:37 < huebi> ?
19:41 < praenti> huebi: ok. mach ich
19:41 < huebi> danke
19:43 < esden> hi brand  ... so nebenbei ;-)
19:44 < praenti> hi esden. was heißt nebenbei?
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19:45 < esden> ja weil ich dich erst jetzt gruesse ... ;-)
19:45 < praenti> axo
19:46 < esden> *g*
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19:47 < owl> re
19:47 < esden> re
19:47 < praenti> huebi: den 3-linux.err liefer ich noch nach. schmeiß vorher meine modifikationen raus
19:47 < huebi> jo
19:49 < huebi> praenti: Warum gibst du denn schon nach einem halben Tag auf? Der Code ist doch so einfach und unmissverstaendlich... *fg*
19:49 < tsa> lol
19:50 < esden> huebi: er hat heine ausdauer ;-)
19:50 < huebi> praenti: Wenn du dass Wort "Linux" lesen kannst, dann sollte dass doch ganz einfach sein. So zum aus dem Aermel zu schuetteln halt...
19:51 < huebi> esden: hehe
19:51 < esden> huebi: ist es auch ... 
19:52 < huebi> esden: na dann mach mal. *g*
19:52 < esden> ich habe vor paar tagen mir die scripte von 1.7 durchgelesen ... ich habe mehr zeit mit lesen von manpages verbracht als mit scripte lesen ... aber ich habe zumindest was dazugelernt ;-)
19:52 < esden> alles ist ganz einfach wenn man es kann
19:52 < esden> ;-)
19:52 < esden> ich kann es nicht ... ich lerne noch
19:53 < esden> danach kann ich es immer noch nicht ... aber das ist ne andere sache
19:53 < huebi> *LOL*
19:53 < esden> eins was ich in den laetzten tagen gelernt habe ist das bash scripting super maechtig ist ... und scheiss kryptisch 
19:54 * -> esden muss sich einen manpage implantat besorgen ;-)
19:54 < huebi> esden: Dafuer gibt es den "Bash Scripting Guide". Der hat hier zum ausdrucken 'nen ganzen Baum gebraucht.
19:56 < praenti> huebi: der code ist einnfach und unmissverständlich. ich versteh nur nicht warum über das Build-All ein asm-Fehler passiert, ob wohl beide male derselbe befehl benutzt wird
19:56 < esden> uii ... wo kriege ich das ... ist es bei rock dabei ?
19:56 < huebi> esden: moment
19:56 < esden> oder muss ich es downloaden ?
19:57 < praenti> huebi: wie gesagt, wenn ich manuell in die chroot reingehe und make bzImage ausführ compiliert er
19:58 < praenti> und das widerspricht sämtlicher informatik-logik. ich geh im moment davon aus, dass ich was übersehen hab. ich finds halt bloß nicht ums verrecken
19:59 < huebi> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
20:00 < esden> huebi: thanks
20:00 < esden> !
20:00 < praenti> bookmarked
20:00 < esden> downloaded ;-)
20:00 * -> esden wird es sich reinziehen ;-)
20:01 < huebi> Richtig kool. Sehr ausfuerlich und mit vielen Beispielen. Nichts fuer Profis! *g*
20:01 * -> esden muss auch awk und sed trainieren ;-)
20:01 < praenti> bin dann wieder a bissal wech
20:02 * -> esden wird noch in der naechsten zeit ein rocklinux theme set erstellen ...
20:02 < esden> mit gkrellm themes habe ich schon bissel erfahrung
20:02 < huebi> ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/pub/sed-tutorial.html
20:02 < esden> huebi: freue dich ... blau auf schwarz ;-)
20:02 < huebi> esden: Fuer Blinde! Argh!
20:03 < huebi> *LOL*\
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20:03 < esden> huebi: das tutorial ist zu kurz und zu unausfuehrlich ... 
20:03 < thalerim> an abs ist nur scheiße, dass man nie richtig weiß, was dazu gekommen ist *g+
20:03 < esden> meiner meinung nach
20:04 < thalerim> abs rockt
20:04 < esden> hehe ;-)
20:04 < thalerim> ich finde es sowie schwul, dass clifford manchmal perl und manchmal riesige awk dinger verwendet
20:04 < thalerim> awk hab ich nämlich keinen blassen schimmer und werde auch partout meine finger davon lassen
20:05 < esden> awk rult !
20:05 < huebi> thalerim: awk ist immer da. perl braucht mehr an Umgebung
20:05 * -> esden ist kein awk profi ... aber ich habe damit bissel gespielt ... macht spass
20:05 < huebi> esden: aACK
20:06 < thalerim> awk suckt, weil man alles auch in reiner bash implementieren kann
20:06 < rxr> thalerim: rofl
20:06 < esden> aber ich finde das cliff endlich diese scheiss perl scripte lassen sollte ... denn perl ist viel schwerer auf allem moeglichen zum laufen zu bringen als awk
20:06 < huebi> esden: ACK
20:06 < esden> thalerim: ja ... ist ein argument
20:07 * -> esden kickt auto*
20:07 < esden> dreckige perl scheisse >_<
20:07 < huebi> directx
20:07 < huebi> ups
20:07 * -> esden mag perl aber nicht wenn es so wichtig ist ... 
20:08 < esden> perl darf nie essenziell sein !
20:08 < esden> wenn dann nur als feature ...
20:08 < rxr> esden: ist es in 1.7 auch nicht mehr (IIRC)
20:08 < esden> und das wan die in autoconf automake gemacht haben ist wirklich nur scheisse krank ... /me ist in mordlaune
20:09 < thalerim> rxr: komisch, dass ich mich 1,5 jahre intensiv mit bash beschäftigt habe und nie awk benötigt habe ... huh
20:09 < esden> rxr: doch ... wir benutzen in 1.7 immernoch perl
20:09 < esden> fuer patcheserstellung ... das mus auch geaendert werden
20:09 < thalerim> bash kann übrigens auch hash tables *g+
20:09 * -> esden hatte nen knarsch mit dem vor paar tagen
20:09 < tsa> thalerim: ack - bash kann alles..
20:10 * tsa wartet nur noch auf bash/Tk ;)
20:10 < esden> aja rxr da du schon da bist
20:10 < thalerim> tsa: dafür gibt es gdialog
20:10 < thalerim> allerdings gtk
20:10 < thalerim> dialog rockt eh alles weg
20:10 < esden> was hast du lieber ... das ich dir patches zu gkrellm* paketen gebe ... oder das ich diese uebernehme ?
20:11 < esden> ich habe einieges da umgebaut und umsortiert ... weil es nicht sauber aufgeteilt war ...
20:12 < esden> rxr ?
20:15 < rxr> esden: erstmal ein patch
20:16 < esden> kk
20:16 < thalerim> in den herbstferien schau ich mir die scripts erstmal an ... und werd so einiges verbessern - zumindestens in einem 1.7er snapshot vor nem halben jahr oder so, konnte man überall ein wenig optimieren
20:19 * -> esden muss irgendwie besser seine zeit managen ... ich komme nicht zu allem was ich machen will
20:20 < thalerim> lol, das kenn ich ;)
20:21 * -> esden ... will endlich seine idee dietlibc faehige pakete zu compilieren implementieren ... kommt aber nicht dazu
20:21 < tsa> esden: hm...ganz einfach: du kommst her und erledigst all mein zeug, ich schau dir zu und analysiere das, danach kann ich dir sagen was du falsch machst..
20:22 < esden> aha ... gut gut ... werde darauf zurueckkommen ;-)
20:22 < thalerim> analysieren == "in den stuhl zurücklehnen, pizza essen, cola trinken und dem Dummen die Arbeit machen lassen"
20:22 < tsa> thalerim: jo, sicher, was denn sonst?
20:23 < esden> wenn meine idee korrekt ist kann ich dann diese include mess die zB. in gnome paketen ist endlich aus der welt schaffen ...
20:23 < tsa> ...und das, was er falsch macht: sich zu leicht fuer anderer leute arbeit einspannen lassen ;-)))
20:23 < tsa> esden: jajajaja! machen!
20:23 < tsa> g2 ist chaos.
20:23 < thalerim> kaos
20:23 < esden> thalerim: FULL ACK
20:24 < esden> ich mein tsa 
20:24 < esden> >_<
20:24 < thalerim> im deutschen heißt es trotzdem chaos
20:24 < tsa> ich wollte mir gnome2 mal ansehen, aber das ist so ein chaos, dass ich es lieber komplett selbst per hand gebaut habe..
20:24 < thalerim> ichv ersuch die ganze ezit twin zum laufen zu bringen, das funzt aber auch ne :-/
20:25 < tsa> laeuft mir trotzdem noch zu instabil..
20:26 < thalerim> http://freshmeat.net/screenshots/10830/
20:26 < thalerim> twin rockt
20:26 < tsa> nett
20:26 * -> esden hat gestern ziemlich geflucht als er g2 scripte sich angeschaut hat ...
20:27 < esden> es compiliert ... aber ist nicht wirklich schoen gemacht ...
20:27 < esden> sozuzagen ein dirty quick hack ...
20:27 < huebi> [anders] und Mike haben das komplett funktionierend in 1.5
20:27 < thalerim> *applaus*
20:27 < esden> naja ... ich werde schauen was ich machen kann wenn ich dietlibc pakete angepasst habe
20:28 < esden> huebi: ich rede von 1.7 ... in dem momment ... ich habe noch nicht die g2 scripte von 1.5 gesehen ... deshalb kann ich mich da nicht aeussern
20:28 < thalerim> kommt heut was im tv?
20:29 < huebi> jo, werbung
20:30 < esden> wie immer @ huebi 
20:30 < esden> ;-)
20:32 < thalerim> mal wieder nur müll
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20:40 < owl> re
20:45 < tsa> re owly
20:45 < tsa> :P
20:45 < owl> ./ignore tsa
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20:45 < tsa> nur zu..
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20:46 < esden> ok ... cu all
20:46 < huebi> cu esden ;-)
20:46 * -> esden be back hopefully with patches ;-)
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21:05 < owl> re
21:05 < thalerim> rele
21:06 < thalerim> What's about the rocklinux sparc port?
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21:14 < huebi> thalerim: What do you want to know?
21:14 < thalerim> no idea, are there any major differences?
21:15 < huebi> no
21:16 < thalerim> okay
21:16 < owl> huebi: is there a newer 1.5.1x-src*.tar.bz2 file available (newer than 1.5.12)??
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21:17 < thalerim> oho... hoho with ipnG
21:19 < huebi> owl: ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/pub/rock-src-1.5.18-2002-09-01.tar.bz2
21:20 < owl> thx
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21:29 < [anders]_> someone talking about me and Miguel and Gnome2? :) Yes, there is even an ISO available with ROCK 1.5.18 where Gnome 1.4 is replaced with Gnome2. Some things were removed that was too tied in to Gnome 1.4, but all in all, it works and most of what you need for a gnome 1.4 app to compile is already there..
21:29 < praenti> huebi: ich schick dir jetzt den 3-linux.err
21:29 < huebi> praenti: jo
21:29 < praenti> huebi: willst ihn bziped
21:30 < huebi> praenti: hauptsache egal ;-)
21:31 < praenti> huebi: ist unterwegs
21:31 < huebi> danke
21:39 -!- [anders]_ is now known as [anders]
21:39 < [anders]> moin
21:39 < tsa> hi [anders]
21:39 < huebi> hi [anders]
21:39 < [anders]> hullo tsa, hullo huebi
21:40 < [anders]> How are things? No signs of Mike1 yet? :)
21:40 < huebi> no, no mike yet
21:40 * huebi playing quake2
21:40 * [anders] thinks there might have been a slight hiccup with the DSL link earlier today.. perhaps a short outage of sorts.. Ah well..
21:41 < [anders]> in any case, there has been a google bot crawling all over the wiki today...
21:43 < tsa> any new entries?
21:43 < tsa> "google was here!"? ;)
21:44 < [anders]> hehehehe.. no tsa, not quite.. but they did go through most of the pages and mapped them I guess..
21:44 < [anders]> the log grew with quite a bit today..
21:44 < tsa> hehe
21:44 < tsa> ok
21:45 * tsa going to switch CRT's
21:45 < tsa> bbl
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21:49 < [anders2]> argh!!!!!
21:50 < [anders2]> I wanted to unplug a usb cable from the back of the computer and instead unplugged the power cable...
21:50 < [anders2]> fsck!!
21:50 < [anders2]> to say the least..
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21:53 < linuxrider> does anyone know if a .src.rpm is installed the same as .rpm
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21:55 < tsa> uhm..
21:55 < tsa> yess!
21:55 < tsa> huebi: ibm p202 up and running.
21:56 < huebi> tsa:  nice *g*
21:59 < tsa> feels like sitting in front of 2m^2 ;)
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22:03 < huebi> tsa: attention! This is addictive
22:04 < huebi> screen #0:
22:04 < huebi>   dimensions:    4800x1200 pixels (1206x302 millimeters)
22:04 < huebi>   resolution:    101x101 dots per inch
22:04 < huebi>   depths (1):    15
22:04 < huebi> xdpyinfo
22:05 < tsa>   dimensions:    1280x1024 pixels (433x347 millimeters)
22:05 < tsa> ..
22:05 < tsa> you're running it at 4800x1200 ??
22:07 < huebi> tsa: Yes. 3 of them
22:07 < tsa> hehe
22:07 < huebi> ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/pub/XF86Config
22:08 < tsa> hehe
22:09 < tsa> what does OPtions "DPMS" do?
22:09 < tsa> Option even
22:10 < huebi> Nothing on P202. I used it for the IIyama for powersaving
22:10 < tsa> ah, i see
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22:17 < owl> re
22:18 < praenti> huebi: have you got the mails?
22:27 < huebi> 3-linux.err.bz2 - I got it
22:30 < tsa> back from some reallife testing
22:30 < tsa> (unreal tournament on a 21" crt rulez!)
22:31 < huebi> tsa: Q2 too :-))
22:31 < tsa> hehe, sure
22:31 < tsa> ..or q3a
22:32 < tsa> ..or descent3
22:32 < tsa> ..alpha centauri
22:32 < huebi> *GGG*
22:32 < tsa> ..wolfenstein3d
22:32 < tsa> (test1)
22:35 < th> ohh man. scheiss telekom
22:35 < th> dfn-ticket 1877. peinlich peinlich (finger 1877@noc.dfn.de)
22:36 < huebi> th: was bedeutet das?
22:36 < th> huebi: dfn-trouble ticket
22:36 < th> huebi: dfn trouble-ticket
22:36 < th> huebi: kannste dir per finger angucken
22:39 < huebi> T-Offline!
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22:46 < tsa> Wussten Sie schon:
22:46 < tsa> dass Pflaumenessen krank macht, wenn man nicht vorher den Baum von der
22:46 < tsa> Pflaume entfernt?
22:46 < tsa> aua...
22:46 < owl> tsa: ????
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22:46 < praenti> tsa: lol. was hast na den ausgegraben?
22:46 < tsa> praenti: de.talk.jokes ..
22:47 < owl> tsa: platter geht's immer, oder?
22:47 < tsa> ach, sicher.
22:47 < tsa> Wussten Sie schon:
22:47 < tsa> dass es garnicht nett gemeint ist, wenn einem ein Folterknecht den Daumen
22:47 < tsa> drueckt?
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22:48 < tsa> Wussten Sie schon:
22:48 < tsa> dass ein Blasebalg kein aufblasbarer Saeugling ist?
22:48 * owl schlaegt mit dem kopf gegen die wand vor verzweilfung
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22:49 < praenti> tsa: langsam tuts weh
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22:50 < tsa> praenti: indeed..
22:57 -!- [anders2] is now known as [anders]
22:58 < [anders]> <- going to sleep... nighty nighty everybody.. Sleep well when you finally decide to crash.. ;-)
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23:21 * owl is away: I'm busy
23:39 * praenti goes slepping
23:39 < praenti> gn8
23:40 < tsa> cu praenti
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