--- Log opened Wed Sep 04 00:00:12 2002
--- Day changed Wed Sep 04 2002
00:09 < huebi> http://www.nokian.com/nokian_wr_en.html - 235/50 R 18 101W XL <- winter tyre for 270 km/h, kool
00:10 < tsa> hm..
00:10 < tsa> would need a new car, then.
00:10 < huebi> hehe
00:10 < tsa> 235/50 probably looks very funny on a vw polo..
00:14 < huebi> Genau richtig fuer's GTI Treffen in Oesterreich. "BOOOAAAAHH EYYY!"
00:14 < tsa> hehe
00:15 < tsa> ...waer doch was fuer ripclaw's bulli ...
00:15 < huebi> dann kommt die Kiste ja garnicht mehr vom Fleck
00:16 * huebi hat mal mit ein paar Freunden eine Unimog Achse in einen Opel Diplomat eingebaut.
00:17 < tsa> lol.
00:17 < huebi> Als Stoppelfeldrenner nicht zu schlagen.
00:21 < tsa> jo, vermutlich..
00:21 < huebi> nee, tatsaechlich ;-) War Klasse, das ding
00:38 < tsa> n8
00:38 < huebi> n8 tsa
00:38 < owl> n8 tsa
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00:49 < Mike1> owly what are you doing?
00:53 < owl> Mike1: nothing
01:44 < h0h0> do the words hapsburg hungray, austrian netherlands, lombardy, or duchy of Milan mean anything to anyone?
01:47 * h0h0 figures that linux doesn't mix with 18th century european politics
01:47 < huebi> h0h0: what do you wnat to know/
01:47 < huebi> ?
01:47 < h0h0> nevermind
02:04 < owl> g8. cu
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02:48 * d3mian listening "Europa - ROCK now ROCK tonigh.mp3"
02:48 < d3mian> hi capchaos
02:49 < huebi> galeon depends on mozilla 1.0. 1.1 fails
02:50 < d3mian> yeah, i think u were noticed of that
02:50 < Mike1> hi master huebi
02:50 < huebi> hi defbla
02:50 < huebi> hi Mike1
02:50 < huebi> hi d3mian
02:50 < huebi> d3mian: ack. tsa said so.
02:50 < d3mian> hehe, always are confusing me with defbla :p
02:50 < d3mian> hi huebi
02:52 < huebi> only alsa and galeon did fail till now (kdebase is just running)
02:52 < d3mian> umm, sounds nice
02:52 < huebi> alsa is a kernel configuration problem, I think
02:52 < Mike1> == 11:50:53 09/03/02 =[3]=> Finished building package alsa.
02:53 < huebi> Mike1: is it alsa 0.9.0rc3?
02:54 < Mike1> hehe no rc2
02:54 < Mike1> *g
02:54 < Mike1> i will have to update
02:54 < huebi> ah ok
02:54 < huebi> rc3 does not work at the moment
02:54 < Mike1> huebi: ah so then i will keep rc2 till that
02:55 < Mike1> till that works :)
02:55 < huebi> Mike1: Yes, plesa do so.
03:03 < Mike1> huebi: anyways i moved abiword, gnumeric, and mplayer to my tree its buidling now
03:03 < Mike1> wish me luck
03:05 < huebi> Mike1: fine. I'm just testing mp3blaster for my mp3 server project
03:06 < d3mian> huebi: gimme a brief introcution about how a mp3 server works.. plz
03:06 < huebi> Mike1: Is it possible to install _all_ the Gnome2 stuff to /opt/gnome2? Like it is done with KDE-3.0.3?
03:09 < huebi> d3mian: the mp3 server has 3 sound cards. On each sound card one madplay/mpg123/mpg321/mp3blaster is running. Then there are 3 audio channels distributed with normal audio Equipment in a large house with 50 rooms.
03:09 < huebi> It must be controlled over one serial line.
03:09 < d3mian> sounds very cool
03:10 < huebi> Also a streaming server for the network should be possible
03:10 < huebi> d3mian: Yes, it is. And with linux it's easy to get it up and running.
03:11 < d3mian> i know u can use esd, specify some sockets and distribute the sound through those ports
03:11 < d3mian> but it is the same stream
03:13 < d3mian> 'man esd' shows all the info about that
03:13 < d3mian> once i did it with a friend at my uni
03:14 < huebi> sounds interesting. if there are more sockets there could also more streams
03:18 < d3mian> i will download inn now, i want to see if i can do a new server tonoght
03:18 < d3mian> *tonight
03:20 < Mike1> huebi: yes it is possible, warum? want me to add it?
03:21 < huebi> I think that Gnome2 itself is not as stable as it should be. So I want to have it searate from the rest of the system like kde.
03:22 < Mike1> ack
03:24 < huebi> I must think about it a little bit longer...
03:25 < Mike1> ok
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04:18 < d3mian> bye
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05:38 < Mike1> n8 all
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05:40 < d3mian> cya 2
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08:21 < huebi> Mike1: please don't start do move it. First I need a concept and we should discuss it with [anders], too.
08:21 < huebi> Moep!
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08:58 < [anders]> meow
08:59 < [anders]> huebi: there might be ramifications of moving just gnome2 to /opt/gnome2
09:00 < huebi> moin [anders]
09:00 < huebi> [anders]: Yes, that would be the same as I did with KDE 3.0.3
09:00 < [anders]> huebi: I think we should probably keep '*gnome*' in /opt/gnome perhaps. Have a dedicated place for gnome, and a dedicated place for kde. Qt for example is a (more or less anyway) KDE thingy and should probably go into /opt/kde
09:02 < [anders]> the thing is, some things will not build of you spread gnome packages out in several locations. if gtk+ and glib are in /usr/local, but all the other gnome stuff is in /usr, you will get problems building some things..
09:02 < huebi>  [anders] /opt/{gnome1,gnome2,kde,qt}
09:02 < [anders]> huebi: might be better with /opt/{gnome,kde} instead..
09:03 < huebi>  [anders] /opt/{gnome2,kde} and gnome 1 stays in /usr
09:03 < huebi> ?
09:03 < [anders]> gnome2 is stable enough for day to day work, I use it daily since several weeks back. perhaps even months now..
09:05 < huebi> [anders]: It looks like it is essential that I start testing gnome2 very extensive now.
09:05 < [anders]> huebi: that is essentially what I have on my laptop now. gnome1 that came with Rock 1.4.0 is in /usr and I installed gnome2 in /opt..
09:06 < [anders]> I would now myself prefer to get rid of as much of gnome1 as I could and replace it with gnome2.. but it will be easier for me to re-install completely instead.
09:06 < [anders]> Gnome2 is surprisingly stable. I have not yet had anything crash for me..
09:07 < huebi> [anders]: Can you make a list of all the packages belonging to gnome1?
09:07 < [anders]> huebi: if you grab the 1.5.18-gnome2 iso from me, you can test it straight away (on ia32 arch, i686 optimized)
09:08 < [anders]> huebi: uhm... some packages cross over, and you would need to install two versions of them to keep both gnome1 and gnome2 on the system at once..
09:09 < huebi> [anders]: Can you give me the URL?
09:14 < [anders]> huebi: http://62.3.122.161:8080/ , then click the link "IsoImages"
09:15 < huebi> ok, wgeting...
09:15 < huebi> 256kBit uplink?
09:17 < [anders]> huebi: yeah, it's only ADSL..
09:18 < huebi> A while ago I read that one can get a 10 MBit/s S-DSL line without reconnect and 100GB trffic limit in sweden for 60 EUR
09:19 < [anders]> huebi: I would love that, unfortunately there is no DSL of any kind near my house in sweden.. :-(
09:19 < [anders]> and here in UK it is either ADSL for about ¤45/month, or leased lines for a _lot_ more..
09:21 < huebi> it's almost the same here.
09:23 < huebi> [anders]: Nice offers in Zuerich: http://www.iqplus.ch/form2.htm - I'm just looking for a new contract.
09:24 < [anders]> mmhmm.. I would like a 512kbit/s each way line with no restrictions in traffic.. Or a sane limit like the 100GB/month..
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10:04 < rxr> re
10:05 < huebi> moin rxr
10:17 < rxr> moin huebi
10:21 < [anders]> huebi: I will try and sit down and do some work on rock in the next few days, at the moment things are not so good and time is scarce, but I will do my best.
10:21 < huebi> [anders]: Thank you.
10:22 < [anders]> huebi: I will probably have to look for another contract soon as well. It seems as they are not so inclined to extend me here anymore even though they were very positive a few weeks ago..
10:24 < huebi> [anders]: have a look at the stock exchange markets. They become to loose sth. It needs a while for them to find out that exactly now they need even more IT to be more effective
10:24 < huebi> efficient even
10:25 < huebi> And UNIX and even Linux is way cheaper then M$ Windoze
10:26 < huebi> [anders]: So our salary will raise...
10:35 < [anders]> huebi: I wish.. here they asked me to drop salary and still would not guarantee an extension.. So I figure I might be better off looking elsewhere..
10:36 < [anders]> The problem is that few companies wants to use contractors.
10:38 < huebi> [anders]: Are you willing to change the country?
10:42 < [anders]> huebi: I think my girlfriend might have objections to that..
10:43 < [anders]> My german is also non-existant.. I should be able to find short-term contracts here in and around London until times get better..
10:43 < [anders]> I have been here at IBM now for 22 months.. it is a long time for a contract..
10:44 < huebi> [anders]: The times are good. And best for UNIX/Linux.
10:45 < [anders]> I know.. I need to find companies that need people with those skills.. I would not mind doing just a few days a week for maybe two or three companies.. In fact, that would suit me just fine.. :) And even better if some of the work can be done remotely.. :)
10:46 < [anders]> I would even work remotely for companies in other countries and perhaps visit them once in a while when needed. I have ADSL, so I can do work from distance..
10:47 < huebi> [anders]: I think about working in Zuerich for 3 or 4 days a week. The flight will be cheap and is getting even cheaper in the next months.
10:47 < [anders]> huebi: not bad. :) bit to expensive from here though I think. I would consider it if I was living on my own...
10:49 < huebi> [anders]: Ryanair started a "price war" I think you can get for 50 EUR to Zuerich (but from Standstead)
10:52 < huebi> [anders]: Also only english is sufficient for working in Germany or Swiss in the IT sector.
10:54 < [anders]> huebi: I know english is sufficent, but it would be handy to speak german as well as one might have to go shopping or similar things..
10:56 < huebi> [anders]: here in the Rhein-Main area are living very many US citizens working for the US-Army. So it's normal that the sales people speak english
10:57 < [anders]> huebi: that is good to know.. but I also want to be able to speak some german out of respect for the german people. english speakers are usually quite ignorant about this as most people speak english anyway. I think it is a poor excuse for plain lazyness..
10:58 < huebi> ACK
11:00 < huebi> [anders]: Be aware that swiss german might be as different from german german like chinese.
11:00 < [anders]> in any case, got to do some work now.. I'll be doing some work on rock later depending on time available.. got to update the gnome2 tree later from both Mike1's rsync tree and from your CVS tree.. (That'll take hours to do...)
11:01 < [anders]> after that I should probably build a new build..
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13:51 < esden> hi all
13:53 < aszlig> hullo
13:53 < huebi> moin esden
13:53 < esden> hi huebi 
13:53 < esden> hi aszlig 
13:54 < esden> huebi: wenn jemand fragen sollte dann bin ich fuer 4 tage wech
13:54 < esden> ich fahre ans meer Windsurfen und werde 0 netz haben
13:55 < huebi> esden: Die Fischer da oben haben alle Netz. Frag' die doch mal, wie die das machen *g*
13:56 < huebi> esden: viel Spass beim Surfen.
14:00 < esden> huebi: danke ... 
14:00 < esden> ich werde mir die idee mit den fischern merken ... ich frage die mal ob die mir bissel netz geben koennten ;-)
14:03 < esden> ok cu all
14:04 < aszlig> c'ya
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14:44 < huebi> [anders]: 14:29:06 (29.06 KB/s) - `rock-ia32-i686-base+opt-1.5.18-Gnome2.iso' saved [563412992/563412992]
14:50 < [anders]> huebi: not bad.. and my typing speed response is now sort of normal again.. ;-)  how long did it take all in all ?
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14:56 < huebi> [anders]: about 5h45
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15:39 < rolla> re
15:41 < [anders]> huebi: that's reasonably good time for a CD image.
15:41 < [anders]> moin rolla
15:41 < [anders]> huebi: I have tested that ISO in VMware and it does seem to work quite well for me. YMMV I guess..
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15:48 < rolla> what package provides sys/byteorder.h ?
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16:22 < term_emu> hi
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16:39 < Mike1> hi
16:46 < rolla> Mike!
16:46 < Mike1> rolla !
16:47 < rolla>                  from xv.h:72,
16:47 < rolla>                  from xvevent.c:24:
16:47 < rolla> /usr/include/X11/Xarch.h:48: sys/byteorder.h: No such file or directory
17:14 < huebi> moin
17:14 < huebi> rolla:
17:14 < huebi> huebi@zeus:~/CD-Images $ grep byteorder.h /var/adm/flists/*
17:14 < huebi> /var/adm/flists/bdb:bdb: usr/docs/ref/am_conf/byteorder.html
17:14 < huebi> /var/adm/flists/linux-header:linux-header: usr/include/asm/byteorder.h
17:16 < huebi> it should be asm/byteorder.h
17:19 < rolla> thanks
17:29 < huebi> rolla: you're welcome
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17:34 < huebi> hi Mike2
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17:51 < Mike1> re
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18:00 < blindcoder> hi all
18:00 < Mike1> bi blindcoder
18:00 < Mike1> hi*
18:01 < blindcoder> hi Mike1
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18:04 < owl> hi
18:04 < Mike1> owly!
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18:05 < daniel_c> Hi to everyone out there...
18:05 < huebi> Galeon-1.2.5 does definitly _not_ compile with Mozilla-1.1. I'll remove Galeon from the tree till this is fixed by the Galeon team.
18:05 < Mike1> hi daniel_c
18:05 < Mike1> huebi: ok
18:05 < huebi> hi Mike1
18:05 < huebi> hi owl
18:05 < daniel_c> I have some serious problems getting rcklinux to compile.
18:05 < huebi> daniel_c: which version
18:05 < owl> hi Mike1, huebi
18:06 < daniel_c> @huebi: 1.7
18:07 < daniel_c> huebi: the glibc won't compile (duplicate entry of some documentation -> make error).
18:08 < huebi> daniel_c: Ask on the mailing list. I can't help you. 1.7 is far from stable.
18:09 < daniel_c> huebi: Well, my question is another one. When using the debug-shell, how can I manage to build all package information for the target system?
18:10 < daniel_c> huebi: I playe with the Makefiles and glibc built and installed correctly.
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18:13 < daniel_c> No idea?
18:13 < huebi> daniel_c: I can only help you with 1.5. 1.7 is the development version andhas many things to be fixed. Also it's changing faster than you can have a look at it.
18:14 < huebi> daniel_c: If you want to have/use sth stable than use 1.5.18
18:14 < daniel_c> huebi: Well, thanx. I'll see if I can figure this out. Bye.
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18:44 < owl> re
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19:08 < owl> re
19:15 < huebi> hi owl
19:15 < owl> hi huebi
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19:56 < clifford> FYI: I've just send a copy of my interview with www.e-review.d2g.com to the list.
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21:21 < martin__> hi all
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21:37 < netcrow> hidiho
21:39 < owl> hi netcrow
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22:25 < capchaos> hi
22:36 < praenti> nabend
22:37 < praenti> huebi: noch wach?
22:38 < praenti> huebi: bei openssl fehlt noch irgendwo ein make -j1. hat bei mir im stage 5 bei -j6 nicht gewollt. -j1 funzt aber tadellos
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22:42 * praenti is awy
22:42 < praenti> away
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23:08 < snyke> ähm
23:08 < snyke> wer da?
23:08 < snyke> hmm
23:12 < capchaos> hi snyke
23:12 < snyke> hmmm
23:12 < snyke> kennt sich wer mit php aus?
23:13 < snyke> ich weis das is kein support-channel, aber in den zuständigen channels sind nur spackos.
23:13 < capchaos> www.php.net :)
23:13 < snyke> nee
23:13 < snyke> da steht das nicht
23:13 < snyke> weil, ich KANN php, aber sowas is mir noch nicht passiert wie das hier
23:13 < snyke> schau mal
23:13 < snyke> http://eros.bingo-ev.de/~jl1065/index.php?muh=blah
23:14 < snyke> code ist ein einzeiler: <?php echo $muh; ?>
23:14 < snyke> grundlage is ein größeres Script
23:14 < snyke> wo auch die parameter übergabe nicht geht. :(
23:15 < huebi> re praenti
23:15 < huebi> praenti: openssl ist gefixed und commited
23:16 < snyke> wo is praenti?
23:16 < snyke> der is doch away
23:17 < huebi> achso, iich sehe es jetzt
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