--- Log opened Mon Sep 09 00:00:44 2002
--- Day changed Mon Sep 09 2002
00:00 * owl is away: busy. 
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00:10 < ripclaw> re
00:15 < tsa> re ripclaw
00:23 < bluefire> hi again ripclaw
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00:35 < HiJacker> Alguêm fala Portugues aê ????
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01:02 < sofar> hello
01:03 < sofar> anyone around in here?
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01:04 < rxr> n8
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01:44 < ripclaw> kjdnvvg
01:44 < ripclaw> n8
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02:55 < martin_> gn8
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04:01 < bluefire> Good night
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09:09 < [anders]> meow.. Good morning everyone, hope you all had a nice weekend..
09:09 * [anders] stayed away from computers this weekend to try and recharge his batteries a bit..
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09:34 < tsa> moin
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10:26 < LocalHero> hi all
10:27 < LocalHero> huebi, i saw that you have tried to upload your iso. Dont put it in your home dir cause that disk is an old small one. Put it in /storage/something witch is the large drive :)
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10:41 < rxr> re
10:45 < tsa> hi rxr
10:45 < tsa> expect a patch for evolution within the next days..
10:53 < rxr> I also correct and update some gnome2 stuff ...
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10:54 < bluefire> Moin
11:09 < praenti> moin
11:09 < praenti> anyone know wether glib-2.0.6 and gtk+-2.0.6 are backward compatible
11:17 < defbla> u will need glib1 and gtk1 for some packages!
11:17 < defbla> actually for a lot of packages :)
11:17 < praenti> i think so for complete gnome-ditribution
11:18 < praenti> the problem ist that we also need glib-2.0 and gtk-2.0. ok glib-2.0 is not the problem. but gtk-2.0 finds the glib-1.0 and dont want to compile ;-)
11:18 < bluefire> praenti: more or less compatible. You'll need some changes to compile a Gtk1 program with Gtk2 and I guess in many cases you'll not be happy with the result.
11:20 < praenti> argh. gnome developer developing a big project but dont think about compatibility. beginners...
11:32 < defbla> gtk2 should compile fine even if there is glib1 installed, imho!
11:32 < defbla> i never had that problem
11:33 < praenti> defbla: you need glib-2.0 for gtk+-2.0 ;-)
11:34 < defbla> yes, but u can compile gtk2 eben if there is glib1 - u said it doesnt install as it finds glib1 ...
11:34 < defbla> s/eben/even/
11:35 < defbla> s/install/build/
11:37 < praenti> defbla: it looks like this is the problem. glib-2.0 is installed in /usr/local
11:37 < praenti> but gtk+ does not find it there
11:39 < praenti> LD_LIBRARY_PATH and ld.so.conf have /usr/local/lib inside
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12:10 < praenti> ok. now gtk2 works
12:10 < praenti> ;-) there was a undocumented feature
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12:11 < tsa> re
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12:29 < LocalHero> huebi, im begining to get your iso from your site :)
12:30 < [anders]> arf.. you need pkgconfig before you build anything gnome related..
12:31 < tsa> [anders]:
12:31 < tsa> http://www.gnome.org/start/2.0/installation.html#buildorder
12:31 < [anders]> When Miguel and I did Gnome2 in 1.5.18, we made sure we had both gtk1/glib1 as well as gtk2/glib2 in there.. And it all installed into /usr
12:32 < [anders]> tsa: *click*
12:39 < [anders]> tsa: thanks for that link.. *bookmark*
12:39 < [anders]> :)
12:39 < huebi> LocalHero: Have a look in my home dir I think it's there.
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12:40 < LocalHero> huebi, well the root drive ran out of disk space :(.. But now i download it to my large drive and it will be in place in some hours :). You can use the admin script on the page to add it :)
12:41 < huebi> LocalHero: ok
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12:50 < praenti> uff
12:54 < praenti> gtk+ ver 2.0.6 is not a very simple package
13:12 < tsa> cu
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13:26 < praenti> huebi: hab jetzt aus kompatibilitätsgründen eine ext namens gtk2 geschrieben. damit könnte ich gabber und gnome-db wieder kompilieren. ich commite die aber erst wenns sie läuft, ok?
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13:48 < term_emu> ho
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14:13 < xlock> huhu
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14:21 * xlock fragt sich, ob jemand drock-1.6.1-rc jemals hat bauen koennen
14:24 < praenti> rxr: here?
14:34 < rolla> re
14:36 < xlock> puh, jetz kanns doch gar nicht mehr so schlimm sein...
14:36 < xlock> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          641 Sep  9 14:33 5-linux.out
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15:09 < armijn> re
15:20 < armijn> no one awake?
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16:24 < rxr> hi praenti
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16:30 < martin__> hi all
16:30 < martin__> hi rxr
16:30 < rxr> 3hi martin__
16:31 < martin__> rxr: was wuerde ich jetzt nicht fuer ein lauffaehiges GSMP geben ... :)
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16:49 < martin__> rxr_: was is mit Firewall und PowerPC?
17:04 < martin__> cul
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17:09 < thalerim> moin all
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17:11 < jol> lu 'all
17:11 < thalerim> moin
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17:21 < d3mian> hi
18:02 < jol> hello, i'm rocklinux newbie, i've the iso k7 1.5.17 and i've installed it, now i want to update my system, how can i do please
18:03 < thalerim> ./scripts/Update all
18:03 < th> no no no
18:03 < thalerim> there may be a script that displays all changed (== new) packages
18:03 < th> ./scripts/Update .
18:03 < thalerim> at least in 1.7
18:03 < th> thalerim: yes.
18:03 < th> thalerim: but not in 1.5.17
18:04 < thalerim> why Update .?
18:04 < thalerim> Usage: ./scripts/Update PATTERN
18:04 < th> "./scripts/Update xyz" greps INDEX for xyz and cksums to check for newer version
18:04 < th> where INDEX is fetched from cvsweb
18:05 < th> and . is a regexp matching everything
18:05 < thalerim> ah, then it must be .* though
18:05 < jol> another question, windowmaker isn't package for 1.5.17 ?
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18:05 < th> thalerim: not for grep
18:05 < th> jol: yes it is
18:05 < th> jol: scripts/Download -package windowmaker ; scripts/Build-Pkg windowmaker
18:05 < thalerim> th: as well as for grep. but grep automaticely prints the whole line if anything matches, so it doesn't matter ;)
18:06 < thalerim> but to be pedantic...
18:06 < th> thalerim: yes, okay ;)
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18:06 < th> thalerim: to be pedantic we need to escape the *
18:06 < jol> th: next Build-Pkg is called windows maker is install ?
18:06 < thalerim> yes..
18:06 < th> jol: Build-Pkg compiles and installs windowmaker
18:07 < jol> good
18:07 < jol> another one, what is the better to upgrade 1.5.17 in 1.7?
18:10 < d3mian> ?
18:10 < jol> to upgrade, just need to dl roklinux 1.7 and run a ./script/Update all
18:10 < thalerim> no
18:11 < d3mian> th: did u read the last mail i sent u ?
18:11 < d3mian> btw..hi tobias
18:11 < thalerim> hallo
18:12 < thalerim> jol: a) ./scripts/Update ".*", b) it will only update the sources of your current version tree
18:12 < thalerim> jol: for 1.7 you'd have to download a 1.7-rock-src tarball from rocklinux.org
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18:20 < thalerim> moin armijn!!!
18:20 < armijn> hi
18:20 < thalerim> how are you?
18:20 < d3mian> hi armijn
18:20 < armijn> not too bad
18:21 < armijn> finishing my pizza right now :)
18:21 < armijn> and solved a nasty problem that bugged me for months
18:21 < thalerim> <- eating a snickers for the small hunger meanwhile ;)
18:22 < armijn> snickers...
18:24 < thalerim> pizza...
18:24 < thalerim> beer... ;-)
18:25 < d3mian> um, bye
18:25 < armijn> not yet :)
18:25 < thalerim> cu d3mian
18:27 < th> d3mian: not yet sorry :-( but it's still in my inbox
18:28 < d3mian> ok, just asking me if the mail arrived, no prob
18:29 < thalerim> brb
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18:37 < owl> hi
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18:45 < rolla> owl
18:50 < owl> hi rolla
18:59 < rolla> :)
19:06 < d3mian> re, Check-Dep-2 have some typos...
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19:07 < Mike1> hi
19:07 < thalerim> re d3mian ; moin Mike1
19:08 < Mike1> hi thalerim
19:08 < owl> hi Mike1
19:08 < Mike1> owly :)
19:08 < d3mian> re Mikey
19:09 < d3mian> ive just sent u a mail
19:09 < Mike1> hola d3mian, everything cool my friend?
19:09 < Mike1> yes i have just read it
19:09 < Mike1> thats why i came here :)
19:09 < d3mian> yes.. but i was leaving... cya in some minutes.
19:09 < thalerim> you were?
19:10 < thalerim> or are you now?
19:10 < Mike1> i am almost gone again so we will talk in some days
19:10 < d3mian> thalerim: both :p
19:10 < rxr_> Hi Mike1
19:10 < Mike1> see you
19:10 < d3mian> ?
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19:10 < rxr_> urgh ...
19:10 < d3mian> hehe
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19:10 < d3mian> re rxr
19:10 < d3mian> now i go, cya
19:10 < thalerim> cu
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19:12 < Mike1> re
19:12 < Mike1> rxr: still here??
19:13 < Mike1> rxr: ?
19:13 < Mike1> :(
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19:13 < thalerim> *???*
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19:20 < rxr> :-(
19:20 < rxr> Moved to my laptop and missed Mike1 :-( brrrr
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19:47 < rxr> the updates poste4d on the ML are now in my tree.
19:48 < rxr> Feel free to test. (mostly gnome2)
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20:17 < owl> re
20:18 < blindcoder> g'evening everyone
20:18 < thalerim> moin owl, blind
20:18 < owl> hi blindcoder, thalerim
20:19 < d3mian> hi blindcoder
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21:09 < esden> hi all
21:09 < blindcoder> hi esden
21:09 < owl> hi esden
21:09 < d3mian> hi esden
21:09 < blindcoder> *gives esden a hug*
21:10 < esden> hi blindcoder *"rehug"*
21:10 < esden> hi d3mian owl 
21:10 < esden> how are you guys 
21:10 < owl> blindcoder, esden: ihr seid verrueckt
21:10 < blindcoder> fine... just a little leftover from the hangover on sunday morning *urks*
21:11 < blindcoder> owl: you recognized that VERY late
21:19 < rxr> hi esden
21:20 < owl> blindcoder: yep. but you haven't "hugged" you very often, i guess. and this "hug" is, why you and esden are crazy... ;P
21:21 < blindcoder> hehe
21:21 < owl> blindcoder: it's not funny ;P
21:22 < esden> hi rxr
21:23 < blindcoder> i think it is.. since no one else is hugging us...
21:24 < owl> blindcoder: no one is nugging me, too. but if someone would hug me, then this person would be dead or something like that
21:24 * -> esden is not willing to try
21:24 < blindcoder> sounds good :)
21:24 < esden> ;-)
21:24 < owl> blindcoder: being dead sounds good? of course
21:25 * -> esden feels negative waves from owl and blindcoder 
21:26 * blindcoder is in a very good mood actually :)
21:26 * owl is in bad mood. worse than ever before.
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21:32 < tsa> rxr: wach?
21:33 < owl> hi tsa
21:33 < tsa> rxr: das war wohl eher nen tippfehler mit der mail....latest is ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/unstable/sources/gnome-pim/gnome-pim-1.1.91.tar.gz
21:33 < tsa> 1.1.91 != 1.91.1 ..
21:33 < tsa> ;)
21:33 < tsa> tag owl
21:35 < esden> cu all
21:35 * -> esden be back tomorrow
21:35 < owl> bye esden
21:36 < rxr> hi tsa
21:37 < rxr> gnome-pim-1.4.6 -> gnome-pim-1.91.1.tar.gz
21:37 < tsa> ack ;)
21:37 < blindcoder> bye all, gn8
21:37 < rxr> hast du also auch nicht gefunden ?
21:37 < tsa> <- didn't want to bother the mailing list again ..
21:37 < tsa> noe, ist wohl nen echter zahlendreher..
21:37 < rxr> hm
21:37 < rxr> die ganzen updates sind in meinem rsync drin ...
21:38 < rxr> falls du testen willst ...
21:38 < rxr> gibt es bei dir was neuen ? z.B. galeon ?
21:38 < tsa> derzeit nix..
21:38 * rxr started nen neuen 1.7 build. 
21:38 < tsa> ich bastel an nem patch fuer evolution, der macht derzeit nicht rfc-konforme msg-id's
21:39 < tsa> der patch is soweit fertig, bloss derzeit noch nicht thread-safe...
21:39 < rxr> ach evolution wars nicht galeon - richtig
21:40 * tsa versucht derzeit noch, gethostbyname_r zu verstehen..
21:41 * rxr schaut sich gerade endlich subversion ausfuehrlich an ;-)
21:41 < rxr> und baut mal wieder fleissig 1.7 ...
21:42 < tsa> hehe
21:42 < rxr> so - bin mal auf'm sofa - subversion handbook lesen ;-)
21:44 < tsa> viel spass..
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21:47 < tsa> hm.../me will nen ExtremeRAID 2000 ..
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22:06 < jol> lu'all
22:06 < jol> i'm newbie, i want to know if there is a dialog install to select what package that i want install
22:07 < jol> i'm on rock linux 1.7
22:09 < praenti> hoi
22:09 < praenti> tsa: da?
22:09 < tsa> jupp ;)
22:10 < tsa> was gibt's?
22:11 < praenti> welcher von deinen gpg-keys is im moment aktuell?
22:11 < tsa> 18AC0BE4
22:11 < tsa> whois pgpkey-18AC0BE4 -h whois.ripe.net|perl -ne's-^certif: +--&&print'
22:14 < jol> on rocklinux 1.7, there is a dialog install to select packages ???
22:16 < tsa> 1.7 is the development tree , and the package format is currently being changed...
22:17 < jol> so to select my pakages i need to change config/my_conf ?
22:18 < jol> What i must used, 1.5.17 or dev 1.7 ?
22:19 < tsa> for a stable system, i'd recommend using 1.5 for now..
22:19 < jol> tsa: yep, but gcc 3 is ok for 1.5
22:20 < jol> ?
22:20 < tsa> should be
22:20 < tsa> huebi: you awake?
22:21 < jol> tsa: there is an dialog install to select packages ?
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22:24 < tsa> jol: i haven't played around with the 1.5 tree for a while, but last time i looked there was ..
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22:26 < tsa> hi ripclaw
22:27 < ripclaw> helo
22:27 < tsa> 220 Bitte keine Werbung einwerfen.
22:27 < ripclaw> hi tsa.
22:27 < ripclaw> :)
22:28 < tsa> ( O SmtpGreetingMessage=$j Sendmail $v/$Z; $b \n Bitte keine Werbung einwerfen.
22:28 < tsa>  )
22:28 < ripclaw> tsa: hast du ne idee, wo ich fuer 1.5.18 ne iso mit den zusatzpaketen herbekomme ?
22:28 < ripclaw> hab grad upgrade-wahn
22:28 < ripclaw> 1.5.12-singapore -> 1.5.18
22:28 < tsa> hehe....
22:28 < ripclaw> mir fehlt die haelfte der apps.
22:28 < ripclaw> e.g. enlightenment
22:28 < tsa> mal auf iso.rocklinux.de geguckt?
22:29 < ripclaw> brb.
22:29 < tsa> ftp://iso.rocklinux.de/unstable/Rock-1.5.19/rock-ia32-i586-base+opt-1.5.19.iso
22:29 < ripclaw> ahe -ist das die aktuelle, oder ein snapshot ?
22:30 < ripclaw> weil, iso sagt 1.5.17 waere aktuell.. hab hier aber 2x 18er liegen.
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22:31 < ripclaw> wo ist eigentlich huebi wenn man ihn nerven will ? er geht nicht ans phon....
22:31 < tsa> hm...keine ahnung, wo der ist..
22:31 < tsa> -rw-r--r--   1 root     root    448263360   Sep  9 19:56   rock-ia32-i586-base+opt-1.5.19.iso
22:31 < tsa> hm...von heute offenbar
22:31 < ripclaw> aber 18 is mal wieder nich druff...
22:31 < tsa> jo, sieht so aus.
22:32 < ripclaw> wo kann ich denn die 1.5.18er images hochzappen ?
22:32 < tsa> aah!
22:32 < tsa> ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/pub/rock-ia32-i586-base+opt-1.5.18.iso
22:32 < tsa> da ist nen 1.5.18 ..
22:33 < ripclaw> aha !
22:33 < ripclaw> das ist sogar der, den er fuer mich gemacht hatte...
22:33 < tsa> hehe
22:34 < ripclaw> ich bin doch immer die heulsuse^H^H^H^Hsirene mit dem 586er systemen...
22:34 < ripclaw> das suse hat keiner gesehen, wir sind rock...
22:34 < tsa> nu braeuchte huebi nur noch ne dickere leitung..der naechste kandidat fuer ATM@home ;)
22:35 < ripclaw> gib dir mal das ftp pub bei huebi...
22:35 < praenti> ripclaw: why?
22:35 < ripclaw> btw - als revanche fuer das archiv vom linuxtag, hast du interesse an einer cd-iso vergleichbaren inhalts ?
22:35 < praenti> hierstmal
22:35 < tsa> w2ksp3.exe
22:35 < praenti> lol
22:36 < praenti> ahh nee
22:36 < tsa> ripclaw: aber immer doch ;-)
22:36 < ripclaw> praenti: gibs dir einfach. *loadmode*
22:37 < ripclaw> geil, da liegt ein sparc iso. FIRST LOAD !
22:37 < tsa> sparc__64__
22:38 < ripclaw> tsa: egal, archiv !
22:38 < tsa> hehe
22:40 * ripclaw goes into download mode
22:40 < ripclaw> 7k ratio
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22:51 < hioki> d3mian: are you there?
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22:54 < ripclaw> tsa wohin mit den daten ?
22:54 < tsa> mom.
22:55 < ripclaw> ripclaw@queensryche>
22:56 < ripclaw> aha, armijn hat mal wieder sparc gebootet (mail)
22:57 < ripclaw> da tut wer mehr als ich...
22:57 < ripclaw> ll
22:57 < ripclaw> sorry wrong window
23:02 < ripclaw> so, jetzt nur noch den silopatch hochladen
23:03 < tsa> hehe
23:03 < ripclaw> hab nen halben patch, und armijn aergert sich, wenn er den selber machen muss, wg. zeitaufwand
23:04 < tsa> hm...kommt mir bekannt vor..
23:04 * tsa hat hier auch noch nen halb fertigen patch rumzuliegen..
23:04 < ripclaw> sind z.t. echt fiese dinger dabei...
23:05 < tsa> hm..nutzt hier irgendwer vmware?
23:05 < tsa> inzwischen hab ich's mit devfs am laufen, aber nen bekannter hat nen binary patch fuer das kernelmodul...
23:05 < ripclaw> tsa - weissu wieviel zeit heutsutage draufgeht, wenn du all die komplizierten dinge wie div mod etc. im ansi-c standard nachsehen musst *fatgrin*
23:06 < ripclaw> tsa: geht das auch fuer sparc mittlerweile ?
23:06 < tsa> ripclaw: keine ahnung..
23:06 < tsa> ripclaw: naja, meine c-kenntnisse sind mehr als bescheiden aka quasi nicht vorhanden...
23:07 < tsa> -> doku lesen -> coden -> make -> ./blah -> rm core -> goto 10
23:07 < tsa> sammelt irgendwer hier core-files?
23:07 < ripclaw> div: / mod: % also ganz easy. war auch eher ironisch, 90% der zeit war code lesen und irgendwelche subtilen kernelwerte erraten... das silo patch ist auf einem mac entstanden :)
23:08 < ripclaw> ja ja ja (j/k)
23:08 < jol> tsa: how can i select in 1.7 pakages i need before do a build ?
23:08 < tsa> jol: ./scripts/Config - somewhere in the expert options ..
23:08 < ripclaw> rm works for sure, i believe...
23:08 < ripclaw> that is, if you want to reduce the build to minimum to save buildtime.
23:08 < tsa> ripclaw: yes, and sometimes that's the only thing working ...
23:09 < ripclaw> tsa: dd always works...
23:10 < ripclaw> huebi muss zuhause sein, mein download ratio ist runter gegangen !
23:10 < tsa> hehe...
23:10 < tsa> ruf ihn an...
23:10 * ripclaw hat phon bereits in der hand
23:11 < jol> tsa: thkx
23:11 < tsa> ripclaw: gruess schoen ..
23:12 < ripclaw> tsa: gruesse zurueck
23:13 * tsa wartet ja immer noch auf die rechnung von huebi ..
23:13 < tsa> ..der will wohl kein geld haben
23:13 < ripclaw> erinner ihn...
23:14 < tsa> hab ich schon...wollte er die naechsten paar tage fertig machen..
23:14 < ripclaw> huebi hat sich den ruecken verrenkt.
23:15 < tsa> urghs..das sollte man lieber nicht machen..
23:19 < ripclaw> tsa: rechnung sobald er wieder rennt.
23:19 < tsa> oki..
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23:26 < aszlig> hullo
23:26 < owl> hi aszlig. haste dich verirrt? *zynisch_fies_grins*
23:27 < tsa> owl: kaffee!
23:28 < owl> tsa: mach ihn dir doch selbst! ich bin  nciht die bedienung, zum geier!
23:29 < tsa> owl: natuerlich bist du...
23:29 < tsa> wer denn auch sonst?
23:29 < owl> tsa: du selbst. "selbst ist der mann"
23:29 < tsa> ..wel die frau nix kann. ;)
23:29 < tsa> wil even
23:29 < tsa> weil.
23:29 < tsa> GNAAA.
23:30 < owl> tsa: na und? das ist mir egaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal wie sonst noch was!
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