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--- Log opened Wed Sep 11 00:00:20 2002
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00:07 < martin_> gn8!
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00:09 < Mike1> re litost
00:10 < litost> re Mike1
00:16 < zer0_o> n8 all
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00:52 < Mike1> hi hackbard
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00:58 < Mike1> re
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01:31 < Mike1> re hackbard
01:31 < hackbard> yo
01:32 < hackbard> hi miguel
01:32 < Mike1> how are you ?
01:32 < hackbard> thnx, i am fine - how about you?
01:32 < Mike1> wel...alive yet
01:34 < hackbard> ohh, one could argue that's a big advantage :)
01:35 < Mike1> hackbard: its been a while not talking to you
01:36 < hackbard> yeah, i ve been away from the computer the last days ..
01:57 < owl> some one still awake?
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02:07 < hackbard> owl: yo
02:08 < owl> hackbard: kennst du dich a) mit irda aus b) hast du eine ahnung wo ich fuer das ericsson t39m eine documentation ueber die hardware und sofware schnittstellen herbekommen kann, sodass ich fuer linux eine app schreiben kann, mit der ich auf z.b. telefonbuch zugreifen kann?
02:21 < hackbard> sorry, kA
02:22 < hackbard> habe erstens kein irda, zweitens ein siemens :)
02:24 < owl> hackbard: hehe ;) ok. trotzdem danke ;)
02:45 < owl> g8. cu
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03:38 < litost> re Mike1
03:38 < Mike1> hi litost
03:39 * litost drinking beer
03:40 < litost> and makin some isos ;)
03:40 < litost> yep
03:40 < Mike1> litost: my isos?
03:45 * Mike1 is leaving
03:45 < Mike1> gutte nacht
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09:08 < [anders]> meep
09:08 < [anders]> good morning everyone.
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09:23 < thalerim> moin all
09:24 < [anders]> morning thalerim, wie gehts?
09:24 < thalerim> moin [anders]. nicht so gut
09:24 < [anders]> thalerim: why not?
09:25 < thalerim> [anders]: i just come from the doctor and i got a dragging in my right leg... :-(
09:26 < thalerim> yesterday on a soccer match
09:26 < [anders]> thalerim: that does not sound too good. Hopefully it is nothing that can't heal on it's own with a bit of rest..
09:27 < thalerim> no, i'm not allowed to do any sports in the next two weeks
09:27 < thalerim> in three weeks i shall start with training but softly
09:28 < [anders]> It could be what they here in england would call 'dead leg' where your muscle is hurt and inflamed...
09:28 < thalerim> no, mom i look up what it means in english
09:29 < thalerim> pulled muscle (muscle which has been strained)
09:29 < [anders]> aahh.. okay.. Yes, rest will cure that..
09:30 < thalerim> at least i needn't to go to school today ;-)
09:30 < [anders]> heehehe..
09:34 * thalerim is listening to Finntroll - Fodosagan
09:35 < [anders]> thalerim: you quite like their music, don't you.. :)
09:37 < thalerim> [anders]: i'm full of wrath... so i must hear something that rocks
09:37 < [anders]> thalerim: I'll try not to irritate you today then... ;-)
09:39 * thalerim oinks like a big evil orc
09:40 * thalerim is listening to Children of Bodom - Hate me!
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09:41 < thalerim> moin ede
09:47 < [anders]> <- afk (work)
09:48 < thalerim> oink
10:11 < [anders]> hmmm.. plenty os Sparc64 fixes in 2.4.20-pre6 I see.. As well as M68k, PPC32 and USB fixes..
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11:18 < bluefire> Moin
11:18 < xlock> grr
11:18 < xlock> tar: Warning: the -I option is not supported; perhaps you meant -j or -T?
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11:22 < huebi> moin ;-)
11:23 < huebi> xlock: Use the tar of 1.5.18 or .19. [anders] has fixed it to work with all known options for --use-compress-program=bzip2
11:24 < praenti> moin
11:24 < huebi> moin praenti ;-)
11:25 < xlock> huebi: im just compilng drock-1.6.1-rc
11:25 < xlock> ok, now my tar knows -I
11:30 < xlock> ... redhat sucks
11:30 < huebi> xlock: but RH has a very professional support.
11:31 < xlock> huebi: support? whats support?
11:32 < huebi> xlock: forget what I said, please.
11:32 < xlock> *ring* "hello, my tar does not support -I, please help!"
11:33 < xlock> ;-)
11:33 < huebi> "Your support contract number, please."
11:33 < xlock> houbi: tar (GNU tar) 1.13.25
11:34 < xlock> ;-)
11:34 < xlock> cp: cannot stat `boot-disk/boot-text.b': No such file or directory
11:34 < th> moin
11:34 < th> huebi: ENQ
11:35 < th> xlock: use -j or -y
11:35 < huebi> ok, xlock. We send you a fax, you sign that support contract and then we'll help you.
11:35 < huebi> th: What meens "ENQ"?
11:35 < xlock> by *klick*
11:35 < th> huebi: enqueue?
11:35 < th> huebi: nich mehr als'n ping
11:35 < huebi> axo, danke
11:35 < th> huebi: ein bug
11:35 < xlock> th: 1. i do not want to use -j
11:35 < huebi> moint th, btw
11:36 < th> yepp. moin
11:36 < th> huebi: ich hab ein bug gefunden :-)
11:36 < xlock> th: 2. i already tried to fix all scrips using -j
11:36 < xlock> th: 3. i failed
11:36 < th> xlock: ack ack ack. i got it.
11:37 < xlock> th: 4. i patched my (redhats) tar
11:37 < th> --use-compress-program=bzip2 should do fine then
11:37 < xlock> th: -I is ok either
11:37 < xlock> ;-)
11:37 < th> huebi: /usr/sbin/identd vs. `grep ident /etc/inetd.conf`
11:39 < huebi> th: What do you mean?
11:40 < th> huebi: what does that grep say for you on 1.5.x?
11:40 < huebi> th: one moment. I change the OS now....
11:40 < huebi> brb
11:42 < xlock> do i really need kombo-disk.img?
11:42 < th> xlock: no
11:43 < xlock> th: tx ;-)
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11:57 < huebi> re
11:59 < huebi> th:
11:59 < huebi> ident stream tcp wait nobody /usr/sbin/in.identd in.identd -w -e -t120
12:05 < th> yes
12:05 < th> huebi: and now do a "ls -l /usr/sbin/in.identd"
12:05 < huebi> ls: /usr/sbin/in.identd: No such file or directory
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12:06 < th> huebi: and that's the problem
12:06 < huebi> /etc/inetd.conf should be fixed, I suppose
12:06 < th> huebi: identd is present as /usr/sbin/identd
12:06 < huebi> ack
12:07 < hackbard> moin
12:07 < th> huebi: yes. i agree. we should fix inetd.conf
12:07 < huebi> huhu hackbard
12:07 * huebi starting development PC
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12:08 < huebi> th: I fix it in a few moments. Or do you want to do that?
12:08 < th> huebi: just fix it. it's not urgent ;)
12:08 < huebi> th: ...but nasty.
12:09 < th> huebi: i'm just working on my router here... had a strange outage last night
12:09 < th> huebi: very nasty ;)
12:09 < th> huebi: produces some weird loops
12:09 < huebi> th: Thank you for the hint ;-)
12:09 < th> huebi: just call me bughunter-1.5 ;-)
12:09 < huebi> *gg*
12:11 < huebi> (my back is getting better fast now. I was able to sleep for an hour this morning in my bed.)
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12:11 < th> huebi: sounds good.
12:12 < huebi> th: and it feels good. ;-))
12:12 < th> huebi: ich hatte heute endlich mal wieder ne nacht ohne schmerzmittel. ging sogar halbwegs
12:12 < th> ich schlucke so ungern schmerzmittel und so'n zeug
12:13 < huebi> th: Ich auch nicht.
12:13 < th> do i have to add a rule to INPUT if i have a rule in FORWARD already?
12:14 < huebi> th: Das einzige was man nehmen kann, ist Aspirin, das ist gut genug erforscht. Maximal 10g am Tag, sonst streikt der Magen.
12:15 < th> ich hab hier irgendein starkes mittel mit diclofenac-natrium bekommen.
12:15 < th> die liste der nebenwirkungen ist sehr lang :-/
12:15 < th> und danach trau ich mich nicht mehr auto zu fahren.
12:16 < huebi> th: und genau da liegt das Problem...
12:16 < th> die machen einen echt schlaefrig bzw. verwirrt
12:17 < huebi> Opiate intravenoes sind das sicherste gegen Schmerzen, nehmen dir aber garantiert auch das Bewustsein. Also nur kurzfristig bei grosseren Verletzungen.
12:18 < thalerim> ich hab mir gestern eine zerrung geholt :'-(
12:19 < huebi> Ich war mit meinem Ruecken beim Heilpraktiker, der mich mit Akupunktur und homoeopatischen Mitteln Behandelt hat. Das ist wohl Nebenwirkungsfrei und sehr wirkungsvoll, wie ich jetzt festgestellt habe.
12:21 < huebi> thalerim: Dann belaste den Muskel nur so stark, das es nicht weh tut, sonst kann das noch sehr viel schlimmer werden.
12:21 < thalerim> ich muss jetzt erstmal zu meiner oma gehen *gg*
12:22 < thalerim> huebi: ich hatte erst einen bänerris, dann größe knieprobleme und nuun ne zerrung
12:22 < thalerim> huebi: mein rechtes bein ist ziemlich korrumpiert ;)
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12:23 < thaly^grandma> see you later
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12:42 < huebi> th: cvs ci -m"inetd.conf fixed to use '/usr/sbin/identd' instaed of '/usr/sbin/in.identd'. All entries in /etc/inetd.conf are now commented out so that you need to enable each service explicitly."
12:43 < th> s,instaed,instead, ;-)
12:43 < huebi> th: ACk. Just saw it, too.
12:43 < th> huebi: and good idea
12:43 < th> (i mean commenting out all entries)
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12:43 < th> some time ago telnet was disabled by default
12:43 < th> that was ok
12:48 < huebi> th: Rocklinux is for admins and experienced users (or users who want to become experienced fast). Rocklinux is secure by default, too. So if you want to enable a service you're forced to know what you do and you also must enable the services you want. Now inetd.conf is more in that style. (imagine starting inetd on CCC and your box is wide open to everyone who wants to have fun with it. ;-)
12:48 < th> ack
12:48 < th> huebi: i would even appreciate some DROP-default-policies for iptables in /etc/conf/network
12:50 < huebi> th: If you have some ideas for it let's discuss it on the mailing list. I think, with good comments why what is done, even for firewall beginners it's a very good idea.
12:52 < huebi> th: What do you think about an /etc/conf/firewall?
12:52 < th> huebi: i just created one for me
12:53 < th> i did that by /etc/init.d/firewall before...
12:53 < th> but now that i'm restructuring things i decided for /etc/conf/firewall some minutes ago
12:53 < th> /etc/conf/network runs that for me
12:53 < huebi> koool
12:54 < huebi> Very good. I thought the same.
12:54 < huebi> if the network starts it _must_ call /etc/conf/firewall so you can't forget it in accident.
12:55 < huebi> and it calls it immediatly.
12:55 < th> it's called just before echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
12:56 < huebi> th: can you put some comments in it and send it to the mailing list?
12:57 < th> it's very specific
12:57 < th> to my network here
12:58 < huebi> th: If you explain it it should work too.
12:59 * huebi heard about a company in Offenbach spending 10 time more time in commenting than in coding. They produce medical computer controlled instruments for the US market.
13:02 < xlock> huebi: no comment
13:02 < xlock> ;-)
13:03 * th is busy in packaging a gift for his girlfriend.
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13:09 < guruz> hello
13:09 < huebi> Can somebody help me with alsa? How do I get a /dev/sound/dsp?
13:10 < th> anybody able to convince me to use alsa instead of kernel-modules
13:10 < guruz> for doing a network install of DRocklinux, i have to download drock-i586-1.6.0-CD-boot.iso, burn it boot int and run Net-Install ?
13:11 < huebi> (there is only an alsa driver for this crappy on board sound chip)
13:11 < huebi> guruz: I don't know. Ask rxr for that. He made drock
13:12 < guruz> --- [rxr] idle 18:56:35
13:12 < guruz> hm, i guess i just try
13:12 < guruz> i just hope the network connection is fast enough 8not mine, but the server i download from)
13:13 < huebi> guruz: rxr has a 256kbit upload link. (2MB/min)
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13:14 < thalerim> re
13:15 < huebi> huhu thalerim
13:15 < huebi> brb...
13:16 < thalerim> dito
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13:16 < guruz> is ne2k-pci module included in the drocklinux installer cd?
13:16 < guruz> or compiled in the kernel or whatever :)
13:18 < huebi> guruz: I bet it isn't.
13:18 < guruz> you're absolutetly sure? this would mean i cannot use the net installer, right?
13:20 < huebi> I'm not sure but i think so.
13:20 < guruz> sucks. well i will try it anyway.. bbl
13:21 < huebi> cu guruz
13:22 < xlock> [root@daytona drock-src-1.6.1-rc]# grep NE2 usr/src/kernel/.config-kernel
13:22 < xlock> CONFIG_NE2K_PCI=y
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13:24 < xlock> dann halt net...
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13:51 < huruz> re
13:52 < huruz> can anyone give me a URL of the net modules for 2.4.18 ?
13:52 < huruz> well of the floppy image with them..
13:52 < th> huebi: www.kernel.org?
13:54 < huruz> i hve now running the installation of drocklinux and i desperately need this floppy
13:55 < th> i don't know what floppy you are talking about
13:55 < huruz> the one that drocklinux prompts for when you type "/sbin/modles"
13:55 < huruz> you can pick between the scsi, pcmcia and net modules
13:55 < th> oha. ask rxr then...
13:56 < huruz> rxr wake up.. :/
14:03 < huruz> i guess i got it
14:03 < huruz> oh well
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14:36 < th> hmmm /me is really confused about iptables
14:45 < huruz> bah, that modules-disk.img does not work either..
14:47 < huruz> anyone using kernel 2.4.18 and is able to dcc me ne2k-pci.o ?
14:48 < huruz> or uploding it to ftp/http is fine too
14:56 < huebi> huruz: moment...
14:58 < huruz> ok
15:01 < huruz> huebi?
15:02 < huebi> huruz: jo?
15:02 < huruz> wolltest du mir nich as modul schicken?!
15:02 < huebi> ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/pub/ne2k-pci.o
15:03 < huebi> huruz: erst mal kompilieren war angesagt
15:03 < huruz> ok dank
15:05 < huruz> ok ich probiers mal
15:05 < huruz> *running 2 floors up again*
15:09 < huruz> oh well
15:10 < huruz> it says nosuch device..
15:10 < huruz> with debian it auto probed fine..
15:10 < huebi> chip set?
15:10 < huruz> well i guess i have to use another distro then :(
15:10 < huruz> it`s with a realtek chip
15:10 < huruz> but ne2k-pci worked on 2 pcs with debian ...
15:10 < huebi> 8029?
15:10 < huruz> i guess so..
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15:11 < huebi> huruz: have a look which other modules where loaded on these other pc's
15:12 < term_emu> huhu
15:13 < thalerim> guess? verify it
15:13 < huebi> huruz: lspci....
15:13 < thalerim> ack
15:15 < praenti> huebi: irgednwas stimmt mit unserem build-env nicht
15:15 < praenti> ich hab schon wieder assembler errors
15:15 < praenti> die in meinem system-env nicht auftreten
15:16 < huebi> praenti: Was geht denn da ab? Ich habe hier leider ueberhaupt kein Problem damit.
15:16 < thalerim> leider ;)
15:17 < huebi> thalerim: Sonst waere das ja einfach nachvollzieh- und korrigierbar
15:17 < praenti> huebi: is bei dir auch 2.4.19 einwandfrei durchgelaufen?
15:17 < huruz> lspci ist nicht auf der boot cd :(
15:17 < thalerim> ja
15:17 < huruz> naja ich hab grad besuch bekommen ich probiers vieleich heut abend nochmal..
15:17 < huruz> danke..
15:17 < thalerim> huruz: cat /proc/pci
15:17 < thalerim> have phun
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15:18 < huebi> huruz: Ich meine mit debian. Ich kenne nicht die abhaengigkeiten vom ne2k_pci von anderen Modulen
15:20 < huebi> brb.
15:20 < praenti> huebi: hast du einen build mit 2.4.19 durchgekriegt?
15:21 * praenti will wissen ob sein build-system ne macke hat ;-)
15:21 < thalerim> ich kompilier meine kernel immer selbst
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15:22 < praenti> thalerim: das mein ich nicht. ich mein den kernel, der vom Build-System gebaut wird, wenn du ein Rock baust
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15:26 < huebi> praenti: Vollkommen problemlos
15:28 < rolla> re
15:28 < praenti> huebi: ich glaub ich saug mir mal die kompletten sourcen nochmal neu. vielleicht hilft das
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15:28 < huebi> praenti: jo...
15:30 < praenti> ok.co läuft schon mal
15:31 < praenti> huebi: hast du standard gebaut oder reiserfs mit reingebaut?
15:32 < thalerim> reiserfs will man nicht benutzen
15:32 < huebi> praenti: standard.
15:32 < thalerim> man will nur ext3 mit HTree benutzen
15:32 < huebi> thalerim: Noe.
15:32 < praenti> thalerim: wieso das denn?
15:33 * praenti will UFS in Linux haben
15:33 < thalerim> weil ext3 das einzige journal dateisystem ist, das 100% datensicherheit gewähleistet
15:33 < thalerim> für linux
15:33 < huebi> thalerim: LOOOL
15:33 < praenti> ;-)
15:33 < thalerim> das ist kein witz
15:33 < huebi> Oops, world crashed on 2002-09-06 in the ext3 code:
15:33 < huebi> Sep 6 20:40:06 world kernel: Assertion failure in __journal_file_buffer() at tr
15:33 < huebi> ansaction.c:1937: "jh->b_transaction == transaction || jh->b_transaction == 0"
15:33 < th> ufs? war das nicht irix?
15:33 < huebi> $ uptime
15:33 < huebi> 9:01pm up 114 days, 3:25, 2 users, load average: 47.64, 40.78, 24.88
15:34 < huebi> xfs!
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15:34 < praenti> th: freebsd is nicht journaling sondern transaction
15:34 < Mike1> moin
15:34 < huebi> moin Mike1
15:34 < th> moin mike
15:34 < Mike1> huebi: hi, how are you feeling today?
15:34 < Mike1> hi th
15:34 < praenti> ufs is the only transactions fs i know
15:34 < praenti> hi miek
15:34 < huebi> Mike1: Much better than yesterday.
15:34 < Mike1> huebi: those are great news :)
15:36 < huebi> Mike1: indeed ;-)))
15:36 < Mike1> rxr: are you here?
15:41 < rolla> Mike1
15:41 < Mike1> rolla:
15:41 < Mike1> :)
15:41 < huebi> Mike1: /whois rxr - more than 21h idle
15:41 < huebi> ;(
15:42 < Mike1> huebi: mmm.... ok
15:43 < Mike1> mm.. [anders] is away too :(
15:55 < thalerim> is it possible to skip the fscking of a ext3 partition, since it's a journal fs
15:55 < th> hmm
15:56 < th> you should have 0 0 in your fstab
15:56 < th> and tune2fs -c 0 -i 0 /dev/HDD
15:57 < thalerim> well..
15:57 < thalerim> what will happen on a crash then?
15:57 < thalerim> Will the journal be recovered at all?
15:57 < th> hmmm lemme think
15:57 < th> i think you should not have 0 0 in your fstab
15:58 < th> so just tune2fs
15:59 < thalerim> this would still fsck the partition
16:00 < th> it will run fsck
16:00 < th> but it will not really fsck
16:00 < thalerim> but?
16:00 < th> but check if it's clean or replay
16:00 < thalerim> replay???
16:00 < xlock> thalerim: it will restore the journal
16:01 < thalerim> okay. i trust you
16:15 < rxr> re
16:15 < Mike1> rxr:
16:15 < Mike1> !!
16:16 < rxr> clhi Mike1
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17:00 < thalerim> moin LocalHero
17:00 * thalerim is listening to Finntroll - Blodsälv
17:01 < Mike1> god morgon LocalHero
17:01 < LocalHero> Hallå hallå :)
17:01 < Mike1> :)
17:34 < thalerim> huebi: ?
17:36 < thalerim> where are the most recent source-tarballs?
17:38 < thalerim> ...
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17:46 < thalerim> nice greeting
17:46 < Mike1> hi Xanax
17:46 < Xanax> Hi
17:50 < th> hmmmm. https://cr.yp.to/ is down
17:50 < rolla> that is no good
17:52 < th> anyone able to give me alternate URL for https://cr.yp.to/djbdns/djbdns-1.05.tar.gz?
17:53 < thalerim> google?
17:56 < th> ftp://ftp.jp.qmail.org/qmail/djbdns-1.05.tar.gz ;-)
17:56 < thalerim> ftp://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/
17:56 < thalerim> i get a OOPS: chdir
17:56 < thalerim> server-side oops, what's going on there?
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18:08 < martin_> hi
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18:25 < rxr> hi martin_
18:28 < martin_> thanks for the new firewall skript
18:30 < rxr> martin_: when will you try rock on your ibook ?
18:31 < martin_> yesterday ;)
18:33 < martin_> rxr: do you have compile it?
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18:33 < owl> hi
18:34 < rxr> martin_: I need to fix soem issues.
18:34 < rxr> But a Stage 3-9 compile needs to be run on your ibook ...
18:34 < rxr> anyway.
18:35 < martin_> okay
18:35 < rxr> do you alreadsy know if it is possible to resize your OS-X volume ?
18:35 < martin_> yes :(
18:38 < Mike1> hi owl
18:38 < rolla> Owl
18:39 < martin_> rxr: ähh, no. hmmm :(
18:39 < owl> hi Mike1, rolla
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19:04 < ripclaw> helo
19:05 < ripclaw> status huebi ?
19:05 < ripclaw> andreas, ich hab das papierzeug fertig, komme rueber.
19:05 < ripclaw> cu,
19:05 < ripclaw> stefan
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19:54 < Mike1> re thalerim
19:54 < owl> hi thalerim
19:55 < thalerim> re all
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19:56 < th> re
19:57 < owl> re th
20:03 < Mike1> re Tobias
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20:07 < HiJacker> Mike1: Tá cheio aki hoje !!!
20:07 < HiJacker> Mike1: Hello !!!
20:08 < HiJacker> Mike1: No RockLinux tem algum método de atualização ???
20:13 * Mike1 is away having lunch
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21:56 < Be-El> hi ppl
21:57 < owl> hi Be-El
21:59 < Be-El> i've got some problems with the package dependencies in rock linux 1.7....some packages are broken due to the wrong build order
21:59 < Be-El> is it possible to recreate the dependency database ?
22:00 < thalerim> no idea... and no 1.7 developer seems seems to be present
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22:34 < Mike1> Be-El: have a look at the [P] field on the package.desc modifing this you can define the package build order
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22:35 < Mike1> Hola root
22:35 < root> H!
22:36 < root> H!
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22:36 < tsa> tag
22:38 < owl> hi tsa
22:38 < Be-El> moin tsa
22:38 < tsa> hi owl
22:38 < tsa> moin Be-El
22:38 < Mike1> hallo tsa! wie gehts?
22:38 < Be-El> Mike1: hmm...no way to create the build order from the dependencies itself ?
22:38 < tsa> hi Mike1
22:39 < tsa> Be-El: 1.6 or 1.7?
22:39 < tsa> s,6,5,
22:39 < Mike1> Be-El: havent play around 1.7 for so long so i am not sure, but tsa can definitly help you more than i can regarding 1.7
22:39 < Be-El> tsa: 1.7
22:40 < tsa> Be-El: work in progress...it'll be possible later on, but currently you have to rely on the build order in the .desc files ..
22:41 < Be-El> tsa: and the desc-files are broken....arts, xine-dvdnav
22:41 < tsa> Be-El: just disable all kde stuff...kde is useless, anyway ;)
22:42 < Be-El> *g*
22:42 < tsa> make bugreport | mail -s bug maintainer
22:43 < Be-El> and by the way...what does ldconfig -q do ? (except breaking the build for every package if i don't fix scripts/Build-Pkg) ;-)
22:45 < tsa> quiet?
22:46 < Be-El> /sbin/ldconfig: invalid option -- q
22:46 < tsa> [root@azathoth ~]# /sbin/ldconfig -q
22:46 < tsa> [root@azathoth ~]#
22:46 < tsa> no problem here..
22:46 < thalerim> different versions?
22:47 < Be-El> ldconfig (GNU libc) 2.2.5
22:47 < tsa> ld.so 1.9.9
22:47 < tsa> /sbin/ldconfig is from ld.so
22:48 < tsa> /usr/sbin/ldconfig is from glibc
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22:49 < Be-El> hmm...perhabs someone should change this in Build-Pkg...it use /sbin/ldconfig
22:49 < thalerim> Be-El: why is /usr/sbin before /sbin in your PATH ?
22:49 < Be-El> thalerim: if [ $stagelevel -gt 2 -a -f /sbin/ldconfig ]
22:49 < Be-El> then /sbin/ldconfig ; fi
22:49 < tsa> Be-El: /sbin/ldconfig is correct
22:51 < tsa> seems like your ld.so is broken
22:51 < thalerim> well... i am going off now
22:51 < thalerim> gn8 all
22:51 < tsa> cu thalerim
22:51 < Be-El> cu thalerim
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22:52 < Be-El> hmm....how does the build scripts maintain the libraries at all ? it doesn't use /etc/ld.so.conf or ldconfig -l /-n ?
22:54 < tsa> Be-El: Build-Pkg _does_ use ldconfig
22:54 < rxr> tsa: Have you already installed Solaris 9 ?
22:54 < tsa> rxr: nope..
22:55 < rxr> ah :-(
22:55 < Be-El> tsa: but without setting up /etc/ld.so.conf
22:58 < tsa> ld.so.conf is in the ld.so package, too..
22:59 < tsa> see package/base/ld.so/ld.so.conf ..
22:59 < Be-El> maybe....but the file is not available in the build root environment
23:00 < martin_> gn8!
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23:00 < tsa> the stages being built before chroot?
23:01 < Be-El> yeap...as soon as the chroot is used build breaks...
23:01 < Be-El> or (to be correct)..as soon as packages needs libraries which are not installed in /usr/lib....like the /usr/X11R6/lib stuff...;-)
23:02 < tsa> hm...i didn't encounter this problem last time i tried...
23:02 < Be-El> tsa: clean build ?
23:02 < tsa> Be-El: yes.
23:02 < Be-El> hmm...
23:04 < tsa> i guess you have some software installed in "untypical" locations. the early stages before chrooting link against libs installed there because of your /etc/ld.so.conf...when the chroot() is actually entered, these locations are unreachable and therefore your build fails..
23:05 < Be-El> /usr/X11R6/lib is no "untypical location" ;-)
23:05 < tsa> anyway, this shouldn't happen since the chroot environment at that point should contain all the stuff needed
23:05 < tsa> hehe..indeed.
23:06 < Be-El> it _do_ contain all the stuff....but without any usable library setup
23:07 < Be-El> adding /usr/X11R6/lib to ld.so.conf and running ldconfig in the chroot fixes the problem
23:07 < Be-El> .oO ( and adding $GNOME1_PREFIX, $GNOME2_PREFIX and $KDE_PREFIX later.... )
23:08 < tsa> hm...i'd suggest you add /usr/X11R6/lib to ld_so_inst() in package/base/ld.so/ld.so.conf
23:09 < tsa> do you have a symlink /usr/X11 -> /usr/X11R6 in the chroot ?
23:10 < Be-El> yeap
23:10 < rxr> huebi: are you awake ?
23:10 < tsa> rxr: hm...do you have any ideas?
23:11 < tsa> /usr/X11/lib is in ld.so.conf within the chroot ..
23:11 < tsa> so this should not happen
23:12 < rxr> tsa: I have not follow the thread
23:12 < rxr> I have other 1.7 problem and slowlaris install probs here ...
23:12 < tsa> rxr: broken chroot in 1.7 build
23:14 < rxr> no
23:14 < Be-El> oh...got it
23:14 < rxr> cliffords resoring broke many packages
23:14 < tsa> aah.
23:14 < rxr> and freetype brekas some more, too
23:14 < Be-El> no ld.so.conf entry in config/default/packages
23:14 < Be-El> rxr: it the freetype-config script....wrong prefix
23:15 < rxr> Be-El: no
23:15 < tsa> $ grep ld.so config/default/packages
23:15 < tsa> X --2------9 990.905 base ld.so 1.9.9 / base/system 0
23:15 < tsa> hm..
23:15 < rolla> is there a good way to switch from ext to resierfs without having to reinstall everything ?
23:16 < rxr> rolla: no.
23:16 < rxr> rolla: backup reformat un-backup
23:16 < tsa> rolla: prepare to move everything everywhere..
23:16 < rxr> rolla: or reinstall ...
23:16 < rolla> :)
23:17 < tsa> foreach @partition { move $data $somewhere_else; umount; mkreiserfs; .... }
23:18 < Be-El> grep ld config/default/packages
23:18 < Be-El> X -----5---9 533.000 sourceforge htmldoc 1.8.20 / console/text 0
23:18 < Be-El> X -----5---9 607.000 rene openldap 2.0.25 / libraries/databases 0
23:18 < tsa> Be-El: scripts/Update-Src
23:19 < Be-El> tsa: did it 1 hour ago
23:21 < tsa> [root@azathoth /vol/repository/rock-src-1.7.0-DEV]# ./scripts/Update-Src >/dev/null
23:21 < tsa> [root@azathoth /vol/repository/rock-src-1.7.0-DEV]# grep ld.so config/default/packages
23:21 < tsa> X --2------9 990.905 base ld.so 1.9.9 / base/system 0
23:22 < rxr> X ---3-----9 721.000 base ld.so 1.9.9 / base/system 0
23:22 < rxr> ^- the actual one ...
23:22 < rxr> Be-El: rerun Config ..
23:22 < rxr> maybe you have disabled it somehow ...
23:23 < Be-El> mom
23:23 < rxr> tsa: you need to rerun Config to get a new packages ...
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23:31 < Be-El> ok...remove config/default/*, run Update-Src, run Download, run Config, disabled minicom, tcpdump and xine-dvdnav....and still no ld.so.conf in the package list
23:34 < tsa> hm..
23:34 < tsa> you do have rsync installed, don't you? ;)
23:34 < Be-El> yeap...build fails again due to ldconfig -q...so the Build-Pkg script was updated ;-)
23:35 < tsa> hm..ok
23:35 * owl is almost dead today.
23:35 < owl> g8. cu
23:35 < Be-El> does ld.so depend on tcpdump ? ;-)
23:35 < Be-El> cu owl
23:35 < tsa> cu owl
23:35 < tsa> erhm...no ;-)
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23:35 < rxr> Be-El: the deps are not checked (AFAIK)
23:40 < Be-El> Create-PkgList is building the right package file....
23:45 < rolla> hey can I setup iptables to point the cvs port to another box on my network ?>
23:45 < rolla> grr
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23:48 < tsa> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s $source -d $dest -p tcp --destination-port $port -j DNAT --to-destination $other_machine:$port
23:49 < tsa> (untested)
23:49 < rolla> thanks
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