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00:29 < tsa> n8
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01:39 < demian> im tired, cya later
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03:34 < EpA> Is it dangerous to allow direct ssh root login? instead of su'ing  in?
03:35 < Ge0rG> its not dangerous, but it is less secure
03:35 < EpA> Ge0rG: ok, why would it less secure?
03:37 < EpA> *be
03:38 < Ge0rG> with su the hacker needs to break two passwords, with direct root login only one
03:38 < Ge0rG> (unless you use an exploitable sshd where the hacker can directly gain root access ;))
03:38 * Ge0rG is going to bed now... it's 3:40am
03:39 < EpA> Ge0rG with exploitable, you mean old versions.. right?
03:39 < Ge0rG> yeah
03:39 < EpA> Ge0rG: ok tnx
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05:30 < demian> re
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09:09 < demian> cool, i got it !
09:09 < demian> nice
09:09 * demian ruleZ
09:09 < demian> ;-)
09:12 < [anders]> morning alles.. rather a nice day today I would be inclined to say. Hope everyone has had a good sleep. :)
09:13 < demian> hi [anders] , havent slept yet, but was a cool night ;-)
09:17 * SMP swears
09:20 < demian> im hungry and need to sleep, have a nice morning over there
09:21 * SMP has slept 7 hours since Sunday
09:39 < [anders]> demian: cheers matey, at work now and getting rather busy here.. :)
09:39 < [anders]> SMP: you should go take a nap then..
09:39 < [anders]> SMP: how did you do the anon cvs access via ssh? :)
09:40 < SMP> read this http://www.openbsd.org/anoncvs.shar
09:41 < SMP> get this http://world.cabal1.net/~stefanp/cvs-readonlyfs.patch
09:42 < SMP> and I don't run the anoncvs server on "the real" repository
09:42 < SMP> instead, I rsync it every some minutes into the chroot
09:44 < praenti> moin
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09:57 < [anders]> Hmm.. I am still tempted in using the pserver for anonymous access to the repository..
09:57 < [anders]> especially if there is no passwd authentication when using it..
10:08 < SMP> the basic procedure is equal for ssh and pserver
10:12 < [anders]> mm.. Well, if I can provide RO access over ssh then perhaps I will not need the pserver.. I could do what others have done, create a special id_dsa / id_dsa.pub keypair and set ssh access up for a read-only account that way.. But that requires the users to actually know what they are doing with SSH.. not always the case I have noticed..
10:12 < SMP> eh? anoncvs over ssh needs neither password nor keys
10:16 < [anders]> when I searched the net for howto's for it, a lot of the people that have done it, have done it by creating a keypair and making one half available with instructions for how to install it etc..
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10:23 < SMP> [anders]: this is needed if one wants to use command="cvs server" in authorized_keys and is superfluous with the anoncvs wrapper
10:31 < [anders]> SMP: okidoki.. I'll try and open that shar archive and have a nose around in it.. I have bookmarked your patch as well.. :)
10:43 < praenti> argh. i hate 2.4.19. i have no parallel port
10:46 < [anders]> modprobe parport ? ;-)
10:46 * [anders] is editing a 1.1MB patch by hand.. Timeconsuming is one word for it....
10:47 < [anders]> I _really_ hate it when you get a patch that is patching a patch.. *urgh* It starts getting quite hard to read at that point...
10:48 < praenti> [anders]: i have my /dev/parport/0. but with echo "test" > /dev/parport/0 nothing is happening
10:48 < praenti> yes i have my parallel cable on the box ;-)
10:49 < praenti> with 2.4.18 this is working
10:50 < [anders]> praenti: uhm, what do you get in dmesg when you modprobe the module?
10:51 < praenti> [anders]: not as module. this is in the kernel
10:51 < [anders]> ah.. ok.. :)
10:51 < [anders]> praenti: you haven't managed to switch on ACPI by any chance? :)
10:51 < SMP> [anders]: http://freshmeat.net/projects/patchutils/
10:51 < [anders]> SMP: the answer is BitKeeper, but I can not really justify it..
10:52 < praenti> [anders]: why acpi? do you need a full working acpi?
10:52 < SMP> [anders]: use OpenLogging ;)
10:52 < [anders]> praenti: no, ACPI can screw things up..
10:53 < [anders]> SMP: hehehe.. it is a shame BK is so expensive.. If it wasn't, more would probably use it..
10:53 < praenti> [anders]: that was also my a thought from me. for examples i have problem with the nvidia drivers with intel-acpi patches
10:53 < praenti> s/my/
10:55 < praenti> [anders]: but 2.4.18 with intel-acpi patches worked
10:55 < praenti> [anders]: and 2.4.19 is not a very good kernel
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11:20 < barthel> moin, hi
11:20 < barthel> sorry bad english :-/
11:21 < th> "hi" was perfect english.
11:22 < barthel> i've install rocklinux from cd-iso (1.5.19)... i read the FAQ, INSTALL, README and the GUIDE, but i can't rocklinux boot up. the kernel can't mount my root partition...
11:23 < barthel> in lilo.conf: append="root=/dev/discs/disc0/part3"
11:23 < th> change this
11:23 < barthel> it's a problem with devfs... i don't know about devfs...
11:23 < barthel> how
11:24 < th> append="root=/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3"
11:24 < th> and check existence of that device before
11:24 < barthel> ;-) the drive is attached ;-)
11:25 < th> i mean the device file
11:25 < th> ls -l /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3
11:25 < barthel> how i say lilo to create new mb, if i boot from the rocklinux-iso ?
11:25 < th> chroot
11:25 < th> ok
11:25 < th> so..
11:25 < th> you booted from cd
11:25 < barthel> in chroot is nothing in /dev
11:26 < th> mount your / to /trg
11:26 < barthel> yep
11:27 < th> chroot then
11:27 < th> chrtrg or such thing was an shorthand
11:27 < barthel> yep with chrtrg
11:27 < th> mount /dev
11:27 < th> mount /proc
11:27 < barthel> aha...
11:27 < th> vi /etc/lilo.conf
11:27 < th> do the changes
11:27 < th> and run lilo again
11:27 < barthel> moment... i have to switch my console ;-)
11:31 < barthel> ok... successfully ;-)
11:31 < th> umouny /dev
11:31 < th> umouny /proc
11:31 < th> sync
11:31 < th> C-d
11:31 < th> umount /trg
11:31 < th> reboot
11:31 < th> ;)
11:32 < barthel> ;-) BEEP ;-) reboot...
11:32 < th> cool ;)
11:32 < th> barthel: this problem was a known problem once.
11:33 < th> barthel: it was fixed and reappeared in 1.5.19
11:33 < barthel> i have rocklinux 1.5.19...
11:33 < th> barthel: what was the command you mounted /trg with before doing "Install"?
11:33 < barthel> ok... maintenance console: ...
11:33 < th> barthel: i know. you told that
11:34 < barthel> mount /dev/discs/disc0/part3 /trg
11:34 < th> that's the problem
11:34 < th> where did you read to mount it as "/dev/discs/disc0/part3" ??
11:34 < th> we need to fix that docu
11:34 < th> or burn it
11:35 < barthel> i thing i on of the INSTALL, README or so... i search for it... moment...
11:35 < th> you needed to mount it as "/dev/ide/.../"
11:38 < barthel> in ROCK Linux Guide... 5.3 Starting Install: #mount /dev/discs/disc0/part4 /trg ...
11:39 < th> that's bad
11:39 < th> ok thanks for that report
11:40 < barthel> ok thank you for your fast help...
11:40 < barthel> by from germany...
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11:45 < SMP> /dev/discs/disc?/.... is supposed to work
11:50 < th> SMP: not as a root for the kernel
11:51 < th> have heard several reports about that
11:52 < SMP> bullshit
11:53 < SMP> it i supposed to work and it has worked for me forever
11:53 < th> with 2.4.19-stefanp?
11:55 < SMP> since 2.3
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11:55 < th> SMP: i have to wait for a build to finish. then i'll test that
11:58 < SMP> th: http://cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/sendmail/sendmail.conf
11:58 < th> ouhm
11:58 < th> SMP: thanks
11:58 < SMP> aeh
11:59 < SMP> group- passwd- shadow- are missing
11:59 < th> SMP: it's better in global conf or is required to be in global conf?
11:59 < th> SMP: ack
12:00 < th> asking because of extension packages.
12:00 < th> i'm afraid i can't add something to global in conv from .ext file
12:00 < SMP> well, it's better
12:00 < th> s,conv,conf,
12:01 < SMP> gee, the whole idea of using groupadd / useradd in sendmail.conf is just ill
12:01 < SMP> anyway..
12:01 < th> /etc/setup.d/XY-sendmail instead?
12:02 < SMP> that's the preferred way
12:02 < th> ok
12:02 < th> i'll change that
12:02 < SMP> does sendmail compile without smmsp user?
12:02 < SMP> HELL!
12:02 < th> ouhm
12:03 < th> i'm not sure
12:03 < SMP> that postcommit stuff really sucks ;-(
12:03 < SMP> poor world
12:03 < th> what sucks exactly?
12:03 < th> ahh ok
12:03 < th> yes
12:04 * SMP feeding his changes in small chunks
12:04 < SMP> (that makes it worse)
12:04 < th> how can i Build-Pkg into another target?
12:05 < SMP> huh?
12:05 < SMP> what's a target?
12:05 < th> i mean
12:05 < th> ok. not "target"
12:05 < th> target as of "/"
12:05 < th> if i run Build-Pkg it installs the package into /
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12:06 < SMP> th: you can't
12:06 < barthel> hi ;-)
12:06 < th> SMP: hmm.
12:06 < th> SMP: i'd like to test sendmail build...
12:07 < th> barthel:  hallo zurueck.
12:07 < barthel> i've a problem to build cfengine...
12:07 < barthel> hallo... ;-)
12:08 < SMP> th: unpack rescue system, chroot into
12:08 < th> SMP: yes
12:09 < barthel> i've download via Doownload cfengine; Build-Pkg failed with: /usr/src/rock-src/scripts/Build-Pkg: line 6: B: command not found
12:10 < SMP> AHHAAARHHH
12:11 * SMP turns off postcommit cronjob
12:15 * th now reboots with /dev/discs/... as root
12:15 < th> SMP: it does NOT work
12:15 < th> SMP: kernel panic. unable to mout rootfs
12:16 < th> SMP: cannot open root device "discs/disc0/part2" or 00:0d
12:16 < th> please append a correct root=
12:17 < SMP> it does work if done right.
12:18 < th> so how to do it right?
12:18 < SMP> you used "append=root=/dev/discs/...", right?
12:18 < th> ack
12:18 < th> aehm
12:18 < th> append="root=/dev/discs/...
12:18 < SMP> well, yes
12:19 < SMP> try typing that in at the lilo prompt
12:19 * SMP suspects lilo wants to be super smart
12:20 < th> lilo is just dumb ;)
12:21 < praenti> barthel: where do you got your ext?
12:22 < praenti> [anders]: now with 2.4.18 my parallel prot works...
12:22 < barthel> i don't know... if Download log that ?
12:23 < praenti> barthel: because in cvs there is a corrected version. the other thing you can do. vi cfengine.ext and delete the B
12:23 < th> barthel: do a ./scripts/Update cfengine
12:24 < barthel> if comment out the 'B' in cfengine.conf and the build was ok. thx
12:24 < praenti> th: das B hat sich glaub ich bei mir reingeschummelt...
12:24 < praenti> is aber schon lang wieder wech
12:25 < barthel> wir können auch auf deutsch;-) liegt mir deutlich besser als englisch ;-)
12:26 < praenti> barthel: wir haben aber auch ne menge nicht deutsch sprechende leute dabei. deshalb soll sich das in grenzen halten ;-)
12:26 < barthel> ok ;-)
12:27 < barthel> if möchte ihnen nur nicht mit meinem schlechten englisch weh tun :-)
12:27 < th> barthel: tue ein ./scripts/Update cfengine
12:27 < th> ;)
12:27 < praenti> barthel: aber mit ein paar leuten kannst du deutsch reden
12:27 < praenti> th: LOL
12:29 < barthel> th: i tue that thx ;-)
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12:34 < praenti> hi bluefire
12:35 < bluefire> Hiho
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13:28 < kasc_> moin
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13:50 < armijn> re
13:52 < armijn> 'llo
13:54 < praenti> hi kasc_ and armijn
13:55 < armijn> hi praenti
13:56 < praenti> argh. hatschi. i'm a little ill today i think...
13:56 < armijn> could be
13:58 < praenti> in the future i should not go outside with wet hair when we have 10°C or lower...
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14:21 < tcr> moin all
14:22 * praenti away
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14:24 < ichilton> Hi armijn :)
14:24 < armijn> yo
14:25 < ichilton> I logged onto irc.freenode.net and it said someone only had my nick...
14:25 < armijn> depends on your nick
14:25 < ichilton> then I realised it must be OPN which I was already connected to :)
14:25 < armijn> ah, yes, it is
14:25 < ichilton> the owner was me :-)
14:25 < armijn> well, lucky you
14:25 < armijn> :)
14:26 < ichilton> Well, back to work - cya
14:26 < armijn> same here :)
14:41 < esden> hi all
14:41 < armijn> hi esden
14:43 < esden> hi armijn !
14:54 < armijn> esden: will start on Alpha this weekend...
14:59 < esden> cool ... sadly my alpha is to far away from me ... so I can not do anything on this subject :-(
14:59 < armijn> well, actually I have to do it
15:00 < esden> my poor natalie feels so lonely ... 
15:00 < armijn> a company gave me an alpha on loan and they want to see results
15:00 < armijn> natalie? who's natalie/
15:00 < esden> that is the name of may alpha ...
15:00 < armijn> oh.
15:01 < esden> armijn: that means that I will see patches from you ?
15:01 < armijn> of course, you don't have a girlfriend...
15:01 < armijn> esden: duh
15:01 < esden> I do not have a girlfriend and it seems that it will not change in the near future .. :-(
15:02 < armijn> heh
15:03 < SMP> w00t, armijn
15:04 < armijn> w00t?
15:04 < esden> hi smp
15:04 < SMP> armijn: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/w00t.html
15:07 < armijn> ah, ok
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15:08 < tcr> moin Ge0rG
15:08 < Ge0rG> hiho
15:09 < th> Ge0rG: guten morgen geburtstagskind :-)
15:09 < th> *veg*
15:10 < Ge0rG> hm... dem älterwerden kann man wohl nicht entkommen
15:10 < armijn> what? GeOrG is a geburtstagskind?!?
15:10 < Ge0rG> armijn: seems so.
15:12 < esden> hi Ge0rG 
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15:12 < Ge0rG> hello esden
15:13 < esden> hi th
15:13 < esden> herzlichen glueckwunsch Ge0rG 
15:13 < th> hi esden
15:13 < Ge0rG> esden: dankeschön :)
15:13 < tcr> Ge0rG: wird heute noch gefeiert?
15:14 < Ge0rG> tcr: aber nur in villariba ;)
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15:26 < tcr> brb
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15:33 < rolla> re
15:33 < esden> re
15:35 < barthel> re
15:49 * armijn writing ROCK sparc64 install guide for the ROCK guide
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15:52 < Mike1> moin
15:53 < th> hi Mike1
15:54 < Mike1> yo th :)
15:54 < armijn> ok, rock sparc64 install guide rough beta finished
15:56 < Mike1> armijn: URL?
15:56 < armijn> mike1: no URL
15:56 < Mike1> armijn: can you email it? /me wanna see it
15:56 < Mike1> hi armijn BTW
15:56 < armijn> yeah yeah first sending it to Pjotr for a review
15:56 < armijn> hi Mike!
15:56 < armijn> :)
15:57 < Mike1> armijn: ok i will be waiting :)
15:57 < armijn> mike@rocklinux.org right/
15:58 < Mike1> armijn: ack
15:58 < armijn> beware though, it doesn't work quite yet
15:58 < armijn> still need to send in a few fixes to huebi
15:59 < Mike1> yes
15:59 < Mike1> New mail for mike@mail has arrived:
15:59 < Mike1> ----
15:59 < Mike1> From: Armijn Hemel <armijn@nl.linux.org>
15:59 < Mike1> Subject: sparc guide
15:59 < Mike1> Thanks
15:59 < Mike1> :)
16:00 < armijn> np
16:02 < esden> hi Mike1 !
16:02 < Mike1> esden !
16:03 < armijn> ah well...one step closer to a real ROCK/sparc64 release
16:04 < rolla> Mike
16:04 < Mike1> yes rolla?
16:04 < rolla> just saying hi :)
16:04 < Mike1> armijn: yes i am _very_ happy to hear that, just read ur email to the RLML as well :)
16:04 < Mike1> hi rolla :)
16:04 < Mike1> how is the baby?
16:05 < rolla> doing good
16:11 < armijn> baby?
16:12 < Mike1> armijn: he has become a father some weeks ago
16:12 < armijn> oh. sorry to hear that
16:12 < esden> rolla: poor boy ;-)
16:13 < esden> hi rolla 
16:13 < armijn> yeah, if you need any professional help...
16:13 < rolla> ;)
16:14 < Mike1> armijn: i have a drinking problem could you give me some professional help?
16:14 < armijn> well, you can send your booze to me
16:15 < Mike1> armijn: no but my problem is i got 2 hands but only one mouth
16:15 < Mike1> :PP
16:17 < armijn> well...
16:17 < armijn> 1 - take a knife
16:17 < Mike1> no way ! :P
16:17 < Mike1> i guess i will go for option 1
16:18 < Mike1> send the booze to you :)
16:21 < [anders]> Mike1: you might want to grab the rock-gnome2 tree now..
16:22 < Mike1> cvs or rsync?
16:22 < Mike1> hi [anders] :)
16:22 < [anders]> cvs
16:22 < [anders]> hullo Mike1  :)
16:23 < armijn> mike1: btw, I'm not building the full 1.5.* stuff, just base packages. No optional or extension stuff
16:23 < Mike1> ok i will download and mirror it at rollas server as well
16:23 < Mike1> armijn: i know
16:23 < [anders]> Mike1: ok.. :)
16:23 * Mike1 cvs ...
16:24 < [anders]> <- going to testdrive the Golf VR6 now..
16:24 < rolla> :)
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16:43 < armijn> blah
16:46 < barthel> blubb
16:48 < esden> cu all
16:52 < armijn> blah
16:52 < Mike1> bleh
16:52 < barthel> bluh
16:54 * Mike1 is extremly tired, he will for sure fall over the keyboard in any second
16:54 < barthel> hi, i'm a debian user... i've install rocklinux 1.5.19 with select */* and install
16:54 < barthel> that's a lot of packages...
16:54 < Mike1> i better get some coffee
16:55 < barthel> what is a minimum of packages, that have to install to setup a system step by step ?
16:55 < armijn> if mike1 falls with his head on his keyboard, then we can find out how big his head is by the amount of keystrokes we see
16:55 < barthel> sorry bad english ;-/
16:56 < armijn> barthel: that's a lot of packages indeed...
16:56 * Mike1 has got coffee
16:56 < Mike1> armijn: i think you will have to wait a bit more to see it :)
16:56 < Mike1> barthel: why dont you use the default selected packages
16:57 < Mike1> thats not the minimal system but is close to it
16:57 < armijn> pff, gnome is minimal, right
16:58 < barthel> i go step by step with the install guide... they 'say' me: select */* and install
16:58 < Mike1> barthel: yes but select */* select all packages of all categories
16:59 < barthel> yes... thats overkill... which categories i need for a 'groundlevel'-system ?
17:00 < armijn> mike1: he just needs the base packages
17:00 < armijn> the ones tagged "base" in ./scripts/packages
17:00 < Mike1> armijn: ack
17:00 < barthel> i've seen some Repository's on rocklinux.de which was used by the Downloadscript ?
17:01 < Mike1> armijn: but not in a 'groundlevel'-system, base sys is to big
17:02 < barthel> 'groundlevel'-system -> running system with networking and a base to set up a 'clean' desktop...
17:03 < armijn> mike1: "base" is pretty clean, if you leave out all the optional packages
17:03 < armijn> hey, I never use the optional packages ;)
17:04 < Mike1> armijn: yes i have noticed that, i guess that one of the facts for which you have not done much on 1.7 isnt it?
17:04 < barthel> ok... is the category 'base' the same like the repository 'base' ?
17:05 < demian> hi all
17:05 < Mike1> hi demian
17:06 < barthel> i'm fastidioused from dpkg in debian... ;-)
17:07 < armijn> barthel: dpkg is evil
17:07 < armijn> you might want to try "apt" though
17:07 * Mike1 HAVE TO learn about dpkg :((
17:08 < barthel> if i select f.e. x11/gnome-panel become i the dep. packages automat. ?
17:09 < barthel> i like dpkg ! i not need a apt or what ever...
17:09 < armijn> barthel: ehr....ehr....no
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17:11 < barthel> ok... how i resolve the dep. ? have i know the needed packages before i build ?
17:11 < barthel> ???ehr....???
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17:12 < armijn> if you install the packages, then yes, you have to know it, unfortunately
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17:13 < tcr> re
17:15 < [anders]> <- back from testdriving a Golf VR6...
17:15 < armijn> ah well, ROCK is nice for toying around
17:15 < [anders]> <- will buy a Golf VR6 next month sometime..
17:16 < barthel> that mean: i've to read the .cache and install each dep. ? f.e. for gnome-panel are 9x8=72 packages... that a hard work...
17:18 < armijn> barthel: yes it is...
17:18 < armijn> I'm not happy with that either
17:18 < barthel> it's not possible to do this job, if i start the Downloadscript ?
17:19 < armijn> ehr, I never do installs, I just build. Can someone help me out here?
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17:25 < Mike1> barthel: what exactly do you want to do install or build?
17:25 < Mike1> we run Download script for fetching the binaries to build a rock linux distribution
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17:26 < Mike1> usually as armijn said with the base distro (./scripts/Download -base) would do the trick to get a stable and funtional enought system
17:26 < barthel> i would build my own working desktop...
17:27 < barthel> ok... is the category 'base' the same like the repository 'base' ?
17:28 < Mike1> barthel: yes
17:28 < barthel> if i would install a gnome with e as wm...
17:28 < Mike1> actually ROCK Linux uses Gnome as the default wm
17:28 < barthel> then i've to select x11/gnome* right ?
17:29 < Mike1> yes
17:29 < barthel> but gnome have a lot of deps...
17:29 < Mike1> i know
17:29 < Mike1> usually i select x11/* and then unselect x11/kde*
17:29 < Mike1> or something like that which a lot more easi
17:30 < Mike1> easy*
17:30 < barthel> hhmmm... and the rest ?
17:30 < Mike1> you could also run 'menu' on the rock linux install shell (if you are using 1.5.x)
17:30 < Mike1> so you could make this in a more fancy - userfriendly way
17:30 < demian> umm, instal_menu appears now different ?
17:31 < tcr> yes :)
17:31 < barthel> Mike1: how ?
17:31 < demian> in 1.5.19 i got a red background with some C code in the foreground
17:31 < tcr> demian: I did some changes on it, do you like it? :-)
17:31 < Mike1> barthel: simply in stead of running 'select */*' as said on the ROCK Linux Guide
17:31 < Mike1> run 'menu'
17:32 < demian> yes, it changes, but.. some texts are not wrapped to fit in the box
17:32 < Mike1> you will know what i mean when you do it
17:32 < demian> but it's now cool
17:32 < demian> btw..
17:32 < tcr> demian: are not? oooh ... could you make a snapshot?
17:32 < demian> there is a little and unsignificant bug in install_bin..
17:32 < demian> when a package install fails..
17:32 < Mike1> demian: yes?
17:33 < demian> it wait 30sec and retry installing it
17:33 < demian> if u cancel that install (CTRL-C as defined)
17:33 < Mike1> yes thats true it is supposed to do that
17:33 < demian> ..
17:33 < demian> then, the packages-installed counter increase..
17:33 < demian> so, at the end u get sth like:
17:34 < barthel> Mike1: which binary start the Install shell ?
17:34 < tcr> demian: will take a look, but first the miss-wrapping thing...
17:34 < Mike1> barthel: Install.bin
17:34 < demian> 100% (225/210)...........................xfree86
17:35 < Mike1> if you boot from a rocklinux cdrom after you partition, format ur drive and mount de src and trg simply run Install it will bring the rock linux isntall shell for you
17:35 < demian> tcr: it could be caused cause i was using some customized termcap with a disk rescue set i did, could this be caused cause of this ?
17:35 < demian> ommit all those 'causes', seems i like 'cause' word :p
17:35 < Mike1> demian: actually the counter increases during the retrying attempts not because of cancelling the installation of the broken package
17:36 < tcr> demian: hmm.. dunno, where does this flaw appear?
17:36 < demian> Mike1: also
17:36 < tcr> Mike1: it's definely a bug
17:36 < Mike1> demian: only on the retry not on the ctrl-c
17:36 < Mike1> tcr: yes this bug has been around since 1.4
17:36 < Mike1> i dont remember if it was on 1.2
17:37 < tcr> should be fixed for 1.6
17:37 < tcr> so i'll do it
17:37 < demian> Mike1: well, yes
17:37 < tcr> demian: hmm.. dunno, where does this flaw appear? <--
17:37 < demian> cya later..
17:37 < tcr> nonono!!!
17:37 < demian> flaw ? what is flaw ?
17:37 < tcr> error, fault ...
17:37 < Mike1> tcr: excellent
17:38 < demian> tcr: the badd wrap for text error ?
17:38 < tcr> demian: where does the line appear that obviously isnt wrapped?
17:38 < tcr> yes
17:38 < demian> when u want to see the info for a package
17:38 < tcr> mh
17:38 < barthel> Mike1: ok thx... i would start a new adventure ;-)
17:38 < tcr> demian: at the info page?
17:38 < demian> when u press '?' i think
17:38 < Mike1> barthel: sure have fun
17:39 < demian> in the summary one too
17:39 < barthel> thx...
17:39 < demian> now, cya later. im in classes again
17:39 < tcr> demian: when will you come back?
17:39 < demian> 2 hours or so
17:39 < tcr> okay, cu then
17:40 < demian> tcr: i will try a snapshot if i can too
17:40 < demian> bye!
17:40 < Mike1> tcr: ur maintaing the install shell?
17:40 < tcr> Mike1: no, it's being maintained ... clifford is going to write a complete new one based on dialog.
17:40 < tcr> is is _not_ being maintained
17:41 < tcr> it is _not_ being maintained
17:41 < tcr> *brrr*
17:41 < Mike1> tcr: ok
17:41 < tcr> Mike1: this new one will float into 1.7, not 1.5 though
17:42 < Mike1> tcr: i know but my main interest is in the 1.5 tree
17:42 < tcr> Mike1: yes, that's why I modified the install menu ... for having a not-buggy menu for the 1.6 tree
17:43 * Mike1 would like to have the multi-language install shell included for 1.6
17:44 < tcr> well, that'd require utf-8 support
17:45 < tcr> possible, but you'd have to find someone doing it ;)
17:46 * Mike1 would work on it if approved
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17:50 < _NULL> hi
17:50 < Mike1> hi _NULL
17:51 < _NULL> hi Mike1
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17:54 < Mike1> 0_o
17:54 < Mike1> hi zer0_o
17:54 < zer0_o> hi Mike1 =)
17:54 < zer0_o> whats going on ? =)
17:55 < Mike1> nothing much there>
17:55 < Mike1> ?
17:56 < tcr> ???
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17:56 < tcr> *g* ... hi zer0_o, NULL
17:56 * tcr is listening to ASP - UnD Wir Tanzten
17:56 < Mike1> tcr: do you like "ASP"?
17:59 < tcr> "Das schönste lied schrieb ich nicht auf Papier, ich schrieb es in dein gesicht, mit den fingern siehst du mich, was mein mund dir hinterließ, schau auf deine haut und lies , such wo meine zunge war, such mein lied in deinem haar..."
17:59 < zer0_o> hmm, here not too...
17:59 < zer0_o> hi tcr
17:59 < tcr> Mike1: i only know this song, but this song is wonderful!
18:00 < _NULL> hi zer0_o
18:00 < _NULL> hi tcr
18:00 < zer0_o> hi _NULL
18:01 < Mike1> tcr: i like "PHP" :P
18:01 < _NULL> has some one a pill of caffeine for me? i'm almost dead.
18:01 < tcr> Mike1: lol :P
18:01 * _NULL sets zombie_style_enabled
18:01 < zer0_o> i bought a php book today
18:01 < zer0_o> =)
18:02 < tcr> _NULL: get that song
18:03 < _NULL> tcr: ok. url?
18:03 < tcr> öh...
18:03 < barthel> what for a book ?
18:03 < _NULL> tcr: if you wanna have the "18 summers" album --> here ;P
18:04 < tcr> the what?
18:04 < _NULL> tcr: hehe ;) ok. your lazyness is impossible ... ;P no ftp? no http?
18:04 < tcr> nope
18:04 < _NULL> 18 summmers (artist also known as "silke bischoff")
18:04 < tcr> ???
18:04 < tcr> well ... mom
18:04 < _NULL> tcr: you don't know silke bischoff? what?
18:05 < tcr> i'm just a go
18:05 < tcr> +d
18:05 < _NULL> tcr: *g* just in your opinion...
18:06 < tcr> _NULL: i'll misuse huebi's ftp
18:06 < _NULL> tcr: oki. ;)
18:06 < _NULL> thx a lot
18:06 < tcr> there's a silke bischof song in upload/ ?
18:07 < _NULL> hm? at huebi's ftp?
18:07 < tcr> well, we need him to move the songs from upload/ away
18:07 < tcr> so: huebi !!!!
18:08 < _NULL> tcr: wait a second. i will restart my proxy. then you can leech it (oki. not leech - with ISDN speed != leeching) from my http
18:08 < tcr> huh?
18:08 < _NULL> tcr: oki. no problem. it's not important...
18:08 < _NULL> brb
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18:08 < tcr> i can upload to your http?
18:10 < huebi> tcr: is passiert.
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18:10 < tcr> hi huebi ... was?
18:10 < tcr> moin LocalHero
18:10 < Mike1> master huebi !
18:11 < LocalHero> tcr, hi :)
18:11 < Mike1> huebi: how are you ?
18:11 < Mike1> LocalHero: hi there
18:11 < huebi> hi all together ;-)
18:11 < LocalHero> Mike1, hi, whazzup?
18:11 < huebi> tcr: upload is moved to pub/mucis
18:12 < huebi> Mike1: I'm fine and a little bit tired
18:12 < Mike1> huebi: how you like to start merging some of the work done on the ROCK MultiLanguage project into the cvs tree?
18:12 < tcr> huebi: nice, but uploading still takes 4mins
18:13 < tcr> my upload
18:13 < huebi> tcr: Use a 10MBit line
18:14 < Mike1> huebi: i would like to start working a multilanguage install shell to get it included before releasing stable 1.6
18:14 < Mike1> huebi: what do you think?
18:14 < Mike1> LocalHero: nothing much just very very VERY tired
18:14 < huebi> Mike1: Yes, do it, please. That would be great.
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18:15 < _NULL> re
18:15 < LocalHero> Mike1, well me to :).. Did you have time to get your isos?
18:15 < Mike1> huebi: so far we will support English (default), Spanish, German, Portuguess, Polish... more will come
18:15 < huebi> Mike1: Fantastic ;-))
18:16 < Mike1> LocalHero: no not yet i am very busy developing stuff over here
18:16 < LocalHero> Mike1, what about swedish? :)
18:16 < Mike1> huebi: we will have the main documentation stuff and the install shell working on it
18:16 < huebi> I want to get internet in my new flat today. But there is still much to do for that.
18:17 < Mike1> LocalHero: if you would like to help us out and maintain the swedish yes we can do it
18:17 < LocalHero> Mike1, sure :). But now i need to prepare for a party. Cya l8er. Contact me on what to do and i will fix it :)
18:17 < Mike1> LocalHero: please read: http://www.rocklinux.org/people/mike/projects/multi-lang/multi.html
18:17 < Mike1> LocalHero: ok
18:17 < demian> re
18:17 < Mike1> re demian
18:18 < demian> um so lucky, didnt have classes ;-)
18:18 < LocalHero> cya all
18:18 < demian> cya alex
18:18 < demian> tcr: u here ?
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18:18 < Mike1> huebi: so i will start including docs and stuff during the next days :) including versions of the rock linux guide
18:19 < huebi> Mike1: ack
18:19 < tcr> demian: jap
18:19 * Mike1 jumping around!! 
18:20 < rolla> why
18:21 < ichilton> On the getting rock linux page, it says:
18:21 < Mike1> rolla i have been allowed to go on and include stuff of the multilanguage project on the cvs tree (/me is the project leader so its a great feeling)
18:21 < ichilton> If you build it yourself, you only need to download a single tar.bz2 containing the ROCK Linux sources. This archive contains our './scripts/Download' script which can be used to download the packages sources from one of our FTP mirrors.
18:21 < ichilton> What is that files name?  I can't find it..
18:22 < Mike1> ichilton: http://www.rocklinux.org/snapshots/
18:22 < ichilton> oh, wait
18:22 < ichilton> http://www1.rocklinux.org/snapshots/rock-src-1.7-200209202113.tar.bz2
18:22 < ichilton> got it :)
18:22 < ichilton> it's the mirrors that's the problem
18:22 < ichilton> it says see the mirror lists and they take you off somewhere else to source trees with lists of packages
18:23 < ichilton> Mike1: thanks
18:23 < Mike1> hehe
18:23 < Mike1> ichilton: you are wlecome
18:23 * ichilton vanishes and downloads
18:23 < demian> tcr: da u have install_bin code near ?
18:24 < tcr> demian: could we talk in a quarter of an hour? i'm watchin tv at the moment
18:24 < demian> k, no prob
18:28 < tcr> huebi: have you the files in pub/music chmodded?
18:29 < _NULL> hi huebi. how are you ?
18:30 < tcr> demian: okay, be here now. but let me start my developing pc
18:31 < demian> Mike1: u were right, counter is increased when fails, and decreased when ^c is pressed
18:31 < demian> k
18:31 < Mike1> demian: i know :)
18:32 < demian> :)
18:32 < Mike1> demian: so will you fix it?
18:34 < tcr> Mike1: me does
18:34 < demian> im seeing now the 'wrapped text' thing first
18:34 < tcr> demian: mom
18:34 < Mike1> tcr: execellent
18:34 < demian> it is easy to fix, just add an 'c--' before print the error message, i guess
18:35 < Mike1> btw where do i get the install shell code i need to start working around it
18:35 < tcr> Mike1: i got it from Mike1, ask huebi -- he should have it
18:35 < tcr> esden
18:35 < demian> umm, base-config/install-disks/
18:36 < Mike1> tcr: ok
18:36 < Mike1> huebi: ?
18:36 < demian> hehe, the face in the error message in taken from kernel sources for sparc ;-)
18:37 < tcr> okay demian
18:37 < tcr> the menu is now in front of me
18:40 < demian> tcr: how can i compile the menu.c ?
18:40 < tcr> is no make.sh provided?
18:41 < demian> no, im using bas-config/install-disks/*.c
18:41 < tcr> okay
18:41 < demian> i can build install_bin.c, not menu.c :-(
18:42 < tcr> gcc -o install_bin -Wall -Oß -lncurses -lreadline -DUSE_READLINE=1 -DUSE_MENU=1 -DROCKVER=\"1.5.19\" install_bin.c
18:44 < demian> the letter after the -O option, what is it ? i see a ß, and this is not valid
18:44 < demian> lemme prepare the install system..
18:44 < tcr> 2
18:45 < tcr> -O2
18:45 < demian> k
18:45 < tcr> ow, the help message in the selector is not wrapped properly
18:45 < tcr> damn
18:46 < tcr> a lot of misswrapping *grr*
18:46 < demian> :p
18:56 < tcr> hm
18:57 < tcr> okay, the bug in the help menu should be fixed ...
18:59 < demian> i think i saw some misswrappings in summary, help and some package-info boxes
19:00 < tcr> help and package-info can i reproduce
19:00 < tcr> help and package-info i can reproduce
19:01 < demian> k
19:01 < tcr> but i wonder about another weird bug in helpmenu
19:02 < Mike1> praenti: awake?
19:05 < rxr> hi Mike1
19:05 < Mike1> hi rxr
19:10 < _NULL> dammit! in munich there might will be snow tomorrow! and in pfaffenhofen it was said that there's snow already! i can't believe it! igitt!
19:10 < tcr> what ???
19:10 < tcr> i'll drive to oberammergau in a week
19:11 < _NULL> tcr: what do you plan to do there? skiing?
19:11 < tcr> no ... my parents want me to go with them
19:12 < _NULL> have fun then. also in ingolstadt (about 80 - 100 km far away from munich in the north of munich) there were about 5 ° C...
19:12 < tcr> i know ingoldstadt ... a good friend of mine is coming from eichstätt
19:12 < _NULL> tcr: *gg* take your ski with you... and enjoy the snow... ;P
19:12 < Mike1> my town is about 27C today i dont think it will snow today :PPP
19:12 < demian> what is supposed to be $STRIP variable ?
19:12 < _NULL> hehe ;)
19:13 < Mike1> demian: ask _NULL
19:13 < _NULL> Mike1: wuah. you can be really lucky...
19:13 < Mike1> _NULL: i know :)
19:13 < demian> _NULL: da u know what is the STRIP variable for ?
19:13 < _NULL> demian: i dunno.
19:13 < Mike1> *STRIP* *STRIP* *STRIP*
19:13 < _NULL> might you should ask Mike1...
19:14 < demian> this is used in install-disk.conf for STRIPTOOL
19:14 < Mike1> *g
19:14 < _NULL> *grml*
19:14 < Mike1> _NULL: i will not STRIP :P
19:14 * _NULL not too
19:14 < demian> i think should be a list of variables used
19:14 < demian> this make things easier
19:15 * Mike1 on the phone
19:15 * Mike1 needs huebi btw
19:15 < demian> im using STRIP=strip
19:17 < _NULL> dammit. in ZDF is a report about snow in germany...
19:19 < rolla> Owl
19:19 < _NULL> rolla: ??
19:19 < _NULL> hi
19:21 < rolla> :)
19:24 < demian> ok, nice
19:24 < demian> cya later
19:40 < blindcoder> hi all
19:40 < blindcoder> Who is do blam for /etc/cron.d/20-logrotate ??
19:40 < blindcoder> to blame
19:40 < blindcoder> dammit... need... sleep... or... coffee...
19:41 < _NULL> hi blindy
19:42 < blindcoder> sers nully :)
19:43 < _NULL> :PPP
19:44 < Mike1> yo blindcoder
19:45 < blindcoder> hi Mike1
19:46 < blindcoder> Mike1: does your XFree die when SIGHUP'd
19:46 < blindcoder> ?
19:46 < Mike1> blindcoder: dont think so why?
19:47 < blindcoder> mine does, and as such it is killed every night by /etc/cron.d/20-logrotate
19:48 < Mike1> lol
19:48 < Mike1> 20-logrotate i have not pyed attention to it , me looking at it
19:49 < blindcoder> short: if a log file is >4MB it rotates it and SIGHUPs the processes taht use it
19:51 < Mike1> mmm... thought ur xfree shouldnt die, it should be just restarted
19:51 < Mike1> perhaps you could modify it or even remove it if you dont like / want it
19:51 < blindcoder> well, that's just as annoying if ou have several dozen windows open and the screen just locked
19:51 < tcr> aaah!! fixed this damn help_box bug!
19:52 < Mike1> tcr: GOOD!
19:52 < blindcoder> I've temporarily removed it, but am searching for the cause of the problem
19:52 < Mike1> oh damn coffee is no longer working for me
19:52 < Mike1> sleep is to powerfull to contain it by now
19:53 < Mike1> but i must stay awake
19:53 < Mike1> dunno how but have to
19:53 < tcr> blindcoder: maybe setting xfree to verbose and see when it dies
19:54 < tcr> iirc it produces entries like ..time.. received SIGHUP... or so
19:54 < blindcoder> tcr: hmm... with an initial logfile of 4.7MB I wondered if it wasn't already in verbose... I'll try -loglevel then
19:55 * tcr is listening to Cruachan - Ó Ró Sé Do Bheatha Bhaile
19:55 < tcr> hm
19:55 < tcr> ??? what the -
19:56 < blindcoder> hmm... it may also be the new configuration... it does this only since I switched from one monitor using the nvidia-driver to a dual-mon-setup with "nv" and "tdfx"...
19:59 * Mike1 is away: having lunch
19:59 < tcr> blindcoder: what happens without these moduls?
20:00 < tcr> blindcoder: you could use the vga (or vesa?) driver instead
20:00 < blindcoder> the logfile is only some kB big instead of 4.7MB :)
20:01 < blindcoder> hmm... *writes that down* I'll give it a try during the weekend
20:02 < blindcoder> okay, I'm off again... bye and thanks
20:02 < tcr> mach's gut
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20:05 < LocalHero> Hi all :)
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20:18 < tcr> gonna reconnect
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20:23 < rolla> !seen fake
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20:33 < rolla> what happen to the mirror list for 1.7 ???
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20:57 < rolla> anybody out there ?
20:58 < _NULL> re
21:00 * Mike1 is back (gone 01:01:42)
21:01 < rolla> Owl you know what happened to the Mirror list from 1.7 CVS ?
21:01 < Mike1> rolla: ???
21:01 < _NULL> rolla: sorry. no. i 'm not using 1.7
21:01 < rolla> maisenhe@bohr:/build/rock-src-1.7-200209202113/src$ cat Download-Mirror-List
21:01 < rolla> # Created from http://www.rocklinux.org/mirrors.txt #
21:01 < rolla> No mirror found for ROCK Linux Version 1.7-snapshot.
21:02 < _NULL> hmm... wait a second....didn't fake said something about that yesterday?
21:02 < Mike1> it looks ok if you access it from a web browser
21:02 < rolla> I am not sure but I think so
21:02 < rolla> yeah something about 0 length files
21:03 < Mike1> so check the log
21:03 < _NULL> hmm....
21:03 < Mike1> we do have an icrlog for something dont we?
21:03 < rolla> :P
21:03 < _NULL> *ggg*
21:06 < rolla> well it says fake fixed it but it is not in cvs :(
21:06 < _NULL> that's bad
21:06 < Mike1> mm...
21:07 < rolla> need to wait for clifford to come back around
21:08 < Mike1> rolla: you can also ask rxr
21:10 < rolla> true
21:10 < rolla> I'll just go work on the other rock build and wait ;)
21:11 < Mike1> rolla you have rock-Gnome2 sources dont you ?
21:11 < rolla> yup
21:11 < Mike1> there you got something to work with
21:11 < Mike1> :)
21:11 < rolla> that is what I have moved on to work on
21:12 < Mike1> GREAT!
21:12 < rolla> I have two boxes with which to do builds
21:12 * Mike1 needs huebi
21:12 < rolla> I have to wait for downloads
21:12 < huebi> Mike1: re ;-)
21:13 * Mike1 got huebi :)))
21:13 < Mike1> huebi: i need the sources of the install shell so i can start working around multilang stuff
21:13 < tcr> Mike1: base-config/installö-disks/
21:14 < Mike1> mmm.. ok
21:14 * Mike1 goes to the sources now
21:14 < Mike1> huebi: should i do the same kind of work with Config?
21:15 < huebi> Mike1: Yes, try it out ;-)
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21:16 < Mike1> ack
21:17 < Mike1> we will have to add something like choice language or something like that
21:18 < tcr> Mike1 actually the menu is very intuitve
21:20 < Mike1> yeah
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21:21 < tsa> tag
21:21 < Mike1> hi tsa
21:21 < tsa> hi Mike1
21:21 < huebi> moin tsa ;-) I got your reminder but I'm still a little bit sick ;(
21:22 < Mike1> huebi: better make it 1/2 a bit sick :)
21:22 < tsa> huebi: ah, i see..
21:22 < huebi> Mike1: Ack ;-)
21:22 < tsa> huebi: do you think i will recieve it before the end of this month?
21:22 < huebi> tsa: Yes, you will.
21:23 < tsa> (i'll have to do my "umsatzsteuervoranmeldung" then...
21:23 < tsa> )
21:23 < tsa> ah, that's good..
21:23 < tcr> lol hard to translate ;)
21:23 < tsa> indeed ;)
21:23 < Mike1> umsatzsteuervoranmeldung .... WTF is this?
21:24 < tcr> Mike1: umsatz = rate of selling and buying
21:24 < tcr> steuer = taxes
21:24 < tcr> voranmledung = pre-registration
21:24 < Mike1> tcr: declaracion of sales taxes?
21:25 < huebi> Mike1: VAT
21:25 < Mike1> declaration*
21:25 < Mike1> huebi: ah :)
21:25 < Mike1> huebi: thanks
21:25 < huebi> value added tax (declaration) I do not need to do that each quater ;-))))
21:26 < tsa> Mike1: every three months, i have to send all my invoices to the local tax office so they can claim some money without doing anything for me..
21:26 < Mike1> ack i know what it is now
21:26 < tcr> *gg*
21:26 < tsa> huebi: hm...
21:26 * Mike1 developed an application for doing such things online
21:27 < Mike1> in Costa Rica only of cours
21:27 < Mike1> +e
21:27 < tsa> Mike1: mankind has developed good shotguns to use with the tax office people, too... ;-)
21:27 < tsa> hm... i guess taxes are a lot lower in .cr ..
21:28 < Mike1> tsa: yes.. isnt evolution great?
21:28 < tsa> Mike1: yeah, sure ;-)
21:28 < Mike1> tsa: i dont know would have to find out how expensive they are in de
21:28 < huebi> tsa: Micronukes are _much_ more efficient ;>
21:28 < _NULL> moin tsa
21:28 < tsa> huebi: unfortunately, i currently don't have any..
21:28 < tsa> tag _NULL
21:29 < tsa> huebi: ..but i like the idea, anyway ;)
21:29 < tsa> hm...
21:29 < tsa> btw...UT 2003 runs very good on rock linux.
21:29 < tsa> (demo 1)
21:34 < kasc> moin
21:34 < tsa> hi kasc
21:34 < kasc> hi tsa :)
21:34 < kasc> 288 Packete enthält mein rock 1.7 noch...
21:48 < rolla> they are really nice boxes but built in nic cards are 10M only
21:56 < tsa> boxes for which purpose?
21:56 < rolla> Alpha stations 500
21:57 < tsa> ah, nice.
21:57 < Mike1> cool
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22:01 < tcr> http://freebits.de/trash/sonstiges/patches/install_menu/install_shell-24-09-02.diff
22:02 < tcr> demian: present?
22:02 < Mike1> tcr: i think d3bian went away
22:03 < tcr> hm... i need someone who could try the patch above out
22:03 < tcr> i'm not sure if it fixes the bug that causes the wrong number of packages
22:13 < tcr> gn8
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23:15 < _NULL> re
23:15 < Mike1> re
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23:16 < Mike1> see you tomorrow
23:16 < _NULL> bye Mike1
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