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00:07 < fake> arghl.
00:07 < _NULL> moin fake
00:07 < fake> hi owl
00:08 < _NULL> fake: check in ein paar minuten mal deine mails... ;P
00:08 < _NULL> *bitte
00:09 < fake> why?
00:11 < fake> und welche addresse...
00:11 < _NULL> fake@bingo-ev.de
00:11 < fake> hm
00:12 < _NULL> gerade abgeschickt... (vor 2 sekunden oder so...)
00:12 < fake> hmhm
00:12 < _NULL> hm?
00:12 < fake> ich geh nur in 5 sekunden ins bett
00:13 < _NULL> schlecht... btw, wie geht's dir?
00:13 < fake> gesundheitlich? geht so.
00:13 * fake is jetz wieder wech
00:13 < fake> hab nur gesehen ob ich ne reaktion auf meine patches von gestern von cliff bekomm... nichts... :(
00:14 < _NULL> hm. bist du morgen im zug (07:53 und 17:53??)
00:14 < fake> normalerweise ja?
00:14 < _NULL> gesundheitlich und auch von der stimmung her...
00:14 < fake> gn8
00:14 < _NULL> oki. um 17:53 - letztes abteil... ?
00:14 < _NULL> gn8
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02:13 < rolla> fake ?
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02:26 < h0h0> anyone here happen to have some experiance with joysticks?
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03:17 < demian> re
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07:42 < huebi> moin
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09:24 < huebi> moin [anders]
09:24 < [anders]> hullo huebi :) how are you today?
09:26 < huebi> fine. I'm now bussy with the wlan stuff to connect my office to my home. Not so much documentation on that and many different drivers are avaliable.
09:29 < [anders]> huebi: you will have lots of fun tinkering with that then.. :) I wish I could afford some wlan stuff, but at the moment I will have to be careful with money..
09:30 < [anders]> huebi: my estranged wife is trying to get her hands on all money I have, even if it is tied up in my company or in assets like car and house..
09:30 < huebi> [anders]: I have to be carefull with money, too.
09:30 < [anders]> from the way she is talking, she is hoping to get a ¤30,000 payout from me..
09:31 < huebi> [anders]: I think you both really need a consense. Not a huge war.
09:31 < [anders]> huebi: I am, and have been, trying to keep a level head, not do silly things and above all, be fair..
09:32 < [anders]> huebi: at the moment I need to get legal advice, so will book time with a solicitor to talk things through. The last thing I want to do is to do something illegal..
09:33 < [anders]> (and solicitors know how to charge their customers.... ¤75 per 30 minutes.. *ouch*)
09:33 < [anders]> and that is ex. VAT.. so more on top to pay.. :-/
09:35 < huebi> To spend money for your company is easy. Then you have nothing. But the goal should be that she gets all she needs to do everything which is needed for your daughter to grow up with all possibilities for her life.
09:39 < [anders]> huebi: I want to do all I can for my daughter, what I do not want to do is give my estranged wife big cheques for her to spend.. I am to provide a comfortable life for my daughter, not my ex wife..
09:40 < huebi> ACK
09:41 < huebi> What about a mediation, I meen a talk guided by someone good in that job, to get a woking conclusion for you and your ex wife?
09:43 < [anders]> huebi: With the debts my estranged wife has run up for herself, (>¤18,000), she will not sit down and talk and agree to something sensible.. As far back as I can remember, she has wanted to spend as much as she can, preferably without working to earn any...
09:44 < huebi> hmm...
09:48 < [anders]> after the move to sweden, the house in england was sold. most of the proceeds from the sale, as well as some money I added to it was given to her to pay a loan  off.. She didn't...
09:53 < [anders]> So giving her money to help her reduce her debts has already been tried and failed. The only way I will assist in paying debts off for her is if I give the money straight to the bank.. And my view is that I already have paid one of her loans..
09:54 < huebi> I still think it needs a conclusion with her. But therefore I'm not a specialist. I'm only really good in fighting and also winning _everytime_ the war against somebody. But I had to learn that distroyed people are not that what I want.
09:55 < huebi> [anders]: Well, then you could agree with her to pay a loan directly pay a loan to the bank for her. Then She has no problem with it and the money, too.
09:57 < [anders]> huebi: if it wasn't for the fact that she has had all(?) her debts consolidated into one big loan. So I can not pay one without paying all the others as well.. I suppose I could haggle with her bank about depositing in towards the loan, without actually paying all of it..
09:59 < [anders]> huebi: I see what you mean and understand what you are saying to me. I am not interested in destroying her.. But I am not in the mood to be taken for a ride either.. I may be a gentle person that is a little to helpful at times, but I am not stupid to the point of self-obliteration either..
10:02 < [anders]> huebi: I received a letter from the CSA (Child Support Agency) yesterday. Despite being told by my estranged wife they were not involved as I was paying volountary maintenance for my daughter, she has dragged them into this. *sigh* Now I have to sit down and fill in forms upon forms and be threatened by an agency that has a proven record of being incompetent and man-hating.. I am thrilled at the next 'helpful' thing she will do..
10:05 < barthel> moin, moin... hi... a good day for everyone...
10:09 < [anders]> hullo barthel, and a good day to you too.. :)
10:12 < huebi> hi barthel
10:17 < barthel> i'm a new ROCKER ;-) and speak/write a very bad english... sorry
10:18 < barthel> i've install rock from rock-iso 1.5.19 with 'menu' and select my own packages...
10:19 < barthel> now i would setup my desktop from the sources... what i have to do ?
10:19 < barthel> now i run ./scripts/Download -base
10:19 < huebi> barthel: first ./scripts/Puzzle
10:20 < huebi> barthel: then ./scripts/Download -base
10:20 < barthel> ok... i forgott... first i run ./scripts/Config
10:20 < huebi> barthel: that's ok, too
10:20 < barthel> great ;-)
10:21 < th> moin
10:21 < huebi> but before download you need to run ./scripts/Puzzle
10:21 < huebi> huhu th ;-)
10:24 < barthel> ok i breaked Download and run Puzzle... but now Download give me some Error 400
10:26 < huebi> barthel: post it, please
10:28 < th> ./scripts/Update .
10:32 < barthel> its on another phys. console... :-/
10:33 < barthel> it was only the first packages... now it run...
10:37 < huebi> barthel: How much knowledge do you have about Linux? It's more simple to answer questions on a known background.
10:39 < barthel> i work under debian since 1998...
10:39 < huebi> barthel: Thank you. ;-)
10:40 < praenti> moin
10:40 < huebi> hi praenti
10:41 < barthel> i would change to rock for a better perf. and optim. linux on my maschine
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10:42 < huebi> hi bluefire
10:42 < barthel> in debian is i386 or i486 but i have two i686...
10:42 < barthel> hi praenti and bluefire
10:42 < bluefire> moin
10:42 < bluefire> hi huebi
10:42 < barthel> moin moin
10:43 < huebi> barthel: I measured a performance gain of up to 12,5% for AMD Athlon XP ;-))
10:43 < barthel> cool...
10:44 < praenti> i think i will now compile a rock-1.7
10:45 < barthel> but before i'm lucky i've a hard work to understand and build rock...
11:08 < barthel> if i run ./scripts/Update ., then i've run ./scripts/Puzzle too ?
11:08 < huebi> barthel: Yes. After ./scripts/Update.
11:09 < th> NAK NAK NAK
11:10 < th> talking about rock-1.5 scripts/Update does puzzle automatically
11:10 < barthel> how i can return to start and become a clean buildsystem ? do ./scripts/Cleanup this job ?
11:11 < th> barthel: what problems do you have with your current build system?
11:12 < barthel> some broken networkconnections and file not found errors...
11:12 < th> of which packages?
11:12 < th> and still after doing Update . ?
11:12 < barthel> now i've a stable connection and i would start again.
11:13 < barthel> yep f.e. ammonite
11:13 < th> barthel: after Update . has finished all package-information should be fine
11:13 < th> lemme check ammonite
11:13 < praenti> barthel: what do you do? do you build or do you download?
11:13 < th> ./scripts/Download -package ammonite
11:13 < th> ...
11:13 < barthel> i download
11:13 < th> --11:13:44--  ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/stable/sources/ammonite/ammonite-1.0.2.tar.bz2
11:13 < huebi> barthel: post the errors, please. "Something is broken" is not a very good help to help you.
11:13 < th> 11:13:50 ERROR 404: Not Found.
11:14 < th> barthel: it's ok that package is broken
11:14 < th> barthel: you could supply a patch to ammonite.pz that fixes that
11:14 < barthel> yep... 404 (sorry bad errorcode in my mind)
11:14 < th> barthel: would be of much help
11:15 < barthel> ...
11:15 < th> ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/stable/ does not exist
11:15 < th> perhaps there are no stable versions of gnome stuff? *eg*
11:15 < huebi> ack ;>
11:16 < th> ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/stable/sources/ has been changed to ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/
11:16 < th> interesting
11:16 < th> i'll fix that. barthel: stay tuned
11:16 < praenti> do we have to switch to gnome2? thats a lot of work...
11:16 < barthel> thx ;-)
11:17 * huebi is bussy with wavelan testing...
11:17 < huebi> praenti: The work is done by [anders] AND MIGUEL ;-)
11:17 < barthel> yes i have to switch to gnome2 !
11:18 < praenti> cool
11:18 < th> barthel: do a ./scripts/Update ammon   now
11:19 < [anders]> praenti: I have a cvs tree of the gnome2 work that Miguel, me and some others are working on.. No anoncvs access yet, I have to cfg that (as soon as I have some spare time..)
11:19 < praenti> huebi: but this work is not in your cvs, right?
11:20 * [anders] really needs a good network setup at home.. firewall, bastion-host, internal firewall etc..
11:20 < huebi> praenti: No, it isn't. I had no time to do that. Perhaps I have the time to definitly fix linux* tonight and then the installdisks for intel...
11:21 < praenti> huebi: whats wrong there?
11:21 < barthel> th: done; thx
11:21 * [anders] already spent hours yesterday taking the updates from huebi's cvs and patching own cvs to get it up2date..
11:22 < huebi> praenti: Just doesn't work at all ;-))
11:22 < praenti> i see.
11:22 < praenti>  iw ill read the install_bin.c today afternoon. perhaps i can find aout how the installer works with the ext-pkgs
11:24 < th> barthel: just report such errors to mailing list. or send patches to .pz files
11:25 < barthel> if my desktop working i would do that, but just moment i'm standing before startline...
11:27 < barthel> if i run ./scripts/Download -base what packages would download ? on rocklinux.de in repos. base not shown ammonite, but it would downloaded by Download...
11:28 < barthel> SORRY uggly english :-/
11:29 < praenti> barthel: sags auf deutsch. ich weiß net was du sagen willst. zumindest nicht genau
11:30 < barthel> also: welche pakete werden von Download -base herruntergeladen ? im repos. 'base' auf rocklinux.de gibt es kein 'ammonite' es wurde trotzdem versucht herrunterzuladen...
11:31 < praenti> barthel: when you look at your rock directory there is a base-config and an ext-config
11:31 < praenti> the subdirectories ind this two directories are the packages
11:32 < praenti> if you type -base you get all packages in base-config
11:32 < barthel> aaahhhaaa... ok... i understand...
11:33 < barthel> if i don't like kde, then i delete the subdirs ?
11:33 < praenti> after that you got the directories base-archive and opt-archive (this one comes from /scripts/unsorted.pz)
11:34 < praenti> barthel: yes you can do that. but dont forget after that you must repuzzle
11:34 < praenti> and now i must go to lunch. cu later
11:34 * praenti at lunch
11:34 < barthel> ok... ;-)
11:37 < barthel> how i change in ./scripts/Config the number of par. make ? (make -j) if i press enter i can't change this value.
11:43 < barthel> th: some more broken ftp-links: f.e.: ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/unstable/sources/esound/esound-0.2.28.tar.bz2
11:45 < barthel> if i've to do a ./scripts/Update -base... right ?
12:05 * praenti back
12:05 < praenti> barthel: the last option. delete the number and write your number
12:05 < praenti> ;-)
12:06 < praenti> but in some cases you need to do that in the text-console and not under x cause you cannot delete the number
12:06 < barthel> praenti: i don't understand that
12:07 < praenti> barthel: i dont understand that also, why this happens...
12:08 < praenti> barthel: another way to change that is to edit the Config in your rock-directory
12:08 < barthel> i'm working only in text-shell. i've two cpu's why i don't work with both by making sources ?
12:08 < praenti> barthel: here you can configure that by the line export ROCKCFG_MAKE_JOBS='6'
12:08 < praenti> for example
12:09 < barthel> ah, ok...
12:09 < praenti> barthel: on what system do you want to build rock?
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12:10 < esden> hi all
12:10 < barthel> dual-pentiumII a 800 MHz
12:10 < praenti> hi esden. when do you come back to ingolstadt
12:10 < john_22> see you all tomorrow
12:10 < john_22> gtgh
12:10 < barthel> hi esden
12:10 < praenti> barthel: no. i thought about your linux system
12:10 < john_22> thanks guys
12:10 < esden> not before end of the next week
12:10 < esden> cu john_22 
12:10 < barthel> rock linux from rock-iso 1.5.19
12:11 < praenti> barthel: this is very strange
12:11 < praenti> on debian i had said old ncurses
12:11 < john_22> thanks esden
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12:12 < barthel> ...
12:13 < barthel> understand ./scripts/Update the '-all' or '-base' ?
12:15 < barthel> praenti: yesterday i install the rock from scratch... with the rock-iso 1.5.19
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12:49 < esden> cu all
12:49 < huebi> authtype=opensystem
12:49 < huebi> cu esden
12:49 < esden> let the rock be with you
12:49 < huebi> hehe
12:49 < praenti> yes
12:57 < barthel> ftp.gnome.org has change the ftp-structure ! no gnome-package where download from ./scripts/Download f.e.: audiofiles moves from /pub/gnome/stable/sources/audiofile to /pub/gnome/sources/audiofile/0.2
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14:11 < tcr> moin all
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14:20 < praenti> wäh. the installer is terrible commented. where you need comments there are no and where you not need any comment you can find one
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14:59 * [anders] is downloading all the sources required for a 1.5.19-Gnome2 build to start later today..
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14:59 < LocalHero> Hi everybody
14:59 < [anders]> meep
15:00 < barthel> [anders] how i can find the sources for a 1.5.19-gnome2
15:00 < [anders]> LocalHero: Hur är läget?
15:01 < [anders]> barthel: at the moment it is in development.. I have only yesterday ported lots of changes from huebi's 1.5.19 tree into the rock-gnome2 cvs-tree. Once I have built it and I am happy that it works, I can make a source archive available on-line.
15:02 < [anders]> barthel: I have a cvs server for this, but no anonymous read-only access yet.. I have to fix that..
15:02 < barthel> cool... ;-)
15:03 < barthel> do you know a mirror for gnome without the struct.-changes ?
15:03 < barthel> i can't Download -base any more...
15:04 < tcr> Hur är läget ?= how are you
15:04 < [anders]> barthel: no, afraid I do not.. I will go through and fix all the download changes I find as and when.. And a lot of the gnome2 stuff might be unaffected to the structure change..
15:04 < praenti> does anybody have a binary ext iso?
15:04 < [anders]> tcr: along those lines... "how's things" more like it.. :)
15:05 < praenti> the ext iso can be 1 year old
15:05 < tcr> [anders]: and how are you would be then?
15:05 * [anders] almost never build the ext's until they are needed..
15:05 < [anders]> tcr: "hur mår du?"
15:06 < praenti> [anders]: do you know Mike's ftp url?
15:07 < [anders]> praenti: no, sorry.. :-/  Perhaps when I do find out, I'll stick it on the wiki and there is a documented place for it then..
15:08 < praenti> hmm. ok. then i search a little bit
15:13 < praenti> does anybody know of that. i dont get that till now: http://www.gentics.com/Content.Node2/german/presse/478.php
15:15 < tcr> reconnect
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15:33 < LocalHero> [anders], jorå det är gött, ska ut med flickvännen till hennes ställe nu, höres
15:33 < LocalHero> Does anybody know any "free" news servers around?
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15:42 < rolla> re
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16:03 < barthel> its possible to return in the install shell after a successf. installation ?
16:03 < th> barthel: you can boot from cd again
16:05 * tcr is listening to Eisregen - Dreizehn
16:05 < tcr> demian: !!!
16:07 < barthel> th: gggggrrmmmmpppfff... on my other console run ./scripts/Download -base ... for a long time :-/
16:07 < barthel> i only need curl to install...
16:07 < th> barthel: why do you do that?
16:09 < barthel> th: i get the src of -base... or what do you mean ?
16:09 < th> barthel: yes but what for?
16:10 < barthel> to build the src...
16:11 < th> so why do you want to rebuild the base?
16:11 < barthel> i don't understand your question...
16:11 < th> you have selected */* and installed it?
16:11 < tcr> th: maybe he just got a iso
16:11 < tcr> an
16:11 < barthel> i would build for a i689; not i've selected via 'menu'
16:12 < barthel> yes, i've installed from rock-iso 1.5.19
16:13 < th> barthel: i still don't see why you want to build the base from source.
16:13 < th> barthel: you have installed your base already
16:13 < tcr> for optimising?
16:15 < barthel> i'm new in rock and i would learn how the system work...
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16:15 < Mike1> moin
16:15 < barthel> i know only the debian-pkg system...
16:15 < barthel> moin
16:16 < th> barthel: start playing with extensions
16:16 < th> barthel: and keep the base as you installed it binary from cd
16:16 < tcr> huhu Mike1 ... oh what a wonder, you finally got to sleep :)
16:18 < Mike1> tcr: actually no! :((
16:18 < tcr> ??? why
16:18 < Mike1> i went to uni and did some stuff then i got home and my dump ass decided to do some coding and when realizaed it was 4am
16:18 < Mike1> i only slept 2 hours....again :((
16:18 < tcr> i couldn't do that
16:19 * tcr needs sleep
16:20 < Mike1> tcr: me too i will fur sure fall over my keyboard sometime today
16:20 < tcr> why aren't you sleepin then?
16:21 < Mike1> i was going to last night but i got there it was too early so i started coding and the time simply started to run and i didnt notice it untill it was too late
16:21 < Mike1> i will go straight to bet tonight
16:22 < tcr> are you at work at moment?
16:22 < tcr> why didn't you phoned to your office head, you'll come two hours later, or so ? :)
16:23 < Mike1> because i need to leave one hour early :)
16:24 * Mike1 needs to reboot brb
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16:24 < tcr> have phun
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16:32 < Mike1> re
16:32 < tcr> reh
16:33 < tcr> long reboot
16:35 < Mike1> i was on lame rh system
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16:36 < armijn> re
16:37 < Mike1> moin armijn
16:37 < tcr> ~armijn@loser.*
16:37 < tcr> :P
16:37 < fake> hi
16:38 < armijn> no, losser
16:39 < tcr> you certainly misspelled it during creating the hostname ;)
16:39 < armijn> no
16:39 < armijn> it's a town in the east of .nl
16:39 < armijn> near the german border
16:39 < Mike1> hi fake
16:40 < Mike1> hehe
16:40 < tcr> you mispelled it anyway
16:40 < armijn> urgh
16:40 < tcr> *g*
16:40 < armijn> tcr: well, if I'm a loser because I port ROCK to other architectures, so be it
16:40 < Mike1> why dont we just get a beer and be happy?
16:40 < armijn> other people just think I'm extremely cool
16:40 < armijn> and to be honest, they outnumber you :)
16:41 < tcr> each lamer has a own fan club, nothing new ;-)
16:42 * tcr knuddelt armijn ... not that he takes me serious
16:42 < armijn> heheh
16:45 < [anders]> kuddelt? sounds perverse...
16:45 < [anders]> +n
16:46 < armijn> must be something german
16:46 < armijn> I never understood germans
16:46 < tcr> yes
16:46 < [anders]> *lol*
16:46 < armijn> hey du, willst du mich knuddeln?
16:46 < armijn> see?
16:47 < tcr> it's a very dear meant way to demonstrate affection to one person
16:47 < tcr> when it's used in the internet
16:48 < tcr> actually it's the same as huging
16:48 < armijn> huging...is that that you become bigger? as in, huge?
16:49 < Mike1> tcr: so you feel ... affection... for armijn?
16:49 < tcr> armijn: hugging :P
16:49 * [anders] averts his eyes...
16:49 < tcr> Mike1: :P ...
16:49 < armijn> ah
16:49 < tcr> well..
16:49 * Mike1 ROTL
16:50 < tcr> let's go into douche ... i'll drp the soap ... and you - as you're a cavalier - will wanna take it and you'll lean down .. and then ... well.
16:51 * Mike1 wonders where is our Goddest Mathilda
16:53 < tcr> actually knuddeln hasn't to have to do with love ... it's mostly used with animals... so you can knuddel your cat ...
16:53 < tcr> i.e. holding it to your breast
16:56 < tcr> *lol* please do not think i'm perverse, 'cause i knuddel my cat ;)
16:57 < Mike1> Do you  knuddel your "grep" as well?
16:57 < Mike1> what about your sed and your awk?
16:57 < Mike1> *G
16:59 < tcr> must..use..vim..
17:00 < Mike1> so you knuddel you cat agains your vim wow thats cool
17:00 < tcr> :1,$g/Mike1/d
17:00 < armijn> vim...some cleaning stuff is called like that over here
17:00 < Mike1> lol
17:01 < Mike1> has anyone seen Mathilda around lately?
17:01 < tcr> having visions every night
17:01 < Mike1> tcr: ?
17:01 < tcr> yes
17:02 < Mike1> what kind of vissions?
17:02 < tcr> she's coming in dreams ... and saying a war will begin soon...
17:02 < Mike1> a flame war?
17:02 < tcr> i interprete this that she's doing holiday
17:03 < Mike1> i see
17:03 < tcr> she certainly refered to the irq crisi
17:03 < tcr> +s
17:03 < tcr> iraw crisis
17:03 < tcr> iraq crisis
17:03 < Mike1> i see
17:03 < armijn> irc crisis?
17:03 * tcr hangs
17:03 < Mike1> you think there will be actually a war?
17:03 < Mike1> parhaps wwIII?
17:04 < tcr> no, i'm just wondering how infantile the USA's behaviour against germany is
17:05 < Mike1> tcr: what does germany have to do with all this?
17:05 < tcr> and if the war delayed two years, I'll have to go to the war!
17:06 < Mike1> tcr: hehe well then lets just hope this wont happen
17:06 < tcr> Mike1: you should know that there was the Bundestagwahl three days ago... And the SPD has won...  that means Gerhard Schrörder is still Bundeskanzler
17:06 < armijn> yeah, der Gerhard!
17:07 < tcr> and he said he won't support if bush attacks the iraq
17:07 < armijn> hair coloring products sales are rocketing!
17:07 < tcr> since this washington hasn't been saying anything about/to germany
17:08 < tcr> i think it's now time that we can say 'NO' to the US politics
17:08 < Mike1> tcr: oh well germany is doing good on not supporting it, i believe de has been involved in so many violence already
17:08 < armijn> no more gray hairs!
17:08 < tcr> we're *not* the bimbos of the US
17:09 < Mike1> bimbos?
17:09 < tcr> "niggers"
17:09 < tcr> slaves...
17:09 < Mike1> tcr: so no more niggers?
17:09 < tcr> we needn't do what the us says
17:10 < Mike1> i believe germany is way more powerfull than us
17:10 < armijn> hihi
17:11 < armijn> sorry, I need to go to this room with matrasses on the walls, etc. so no one hear I completely crack up
17:11 < Mike1> armijn: ?
17:11 < tcr> i think germany has the biggest amount of soldiers positioned arount the world
17:11 < Mike1> tcr: ack
17:12 < tcr> we have been supporting the US in the kosovo crisis
17:12 < tcr> as well as in afghanistan
17:12 < Mike1> the only negative thing that i know from you guys is that you made SuSE
17:12 < Mike1> but hey no one has to be perfect
17:12 < Mike1> *g
17:12 < tcr> :P
17:13 < tcr> SuSE rocks ... i hope to get a job there when i'll study
17:13 < armijn> mike1: germany more powerful than the US? not militairy...har har
17:13 < Mike1> armijn: you guys cold be
17:13 < Mike1> tcr: is it a joke?
17:13 < tcr> why not
17:13 < tcr> there're a lot of very high skilled people
17:14 < Mike1> tcr: ok
17:14 < armijn> well, I've got more important things to worry about
17:14 < tcr> hehe, i may start a new sub-distro: SuSE - Hackers
17:14 < Mike1> it might rock but it will never ROCK as we do :)
17:14 < armijn> as in, should I fill my cup with 2/3 of water or 3/4?
17:14 < Mike1> armijn: yeah how is the bootable cd thing doing?
17:14 < tcr> 3/4
17:16 < praenti> argh. cyrus compile process is buggy without an ending
17:16 < praenti> hi Mike1
17:16 < Mike1> hi praenti
17:16 < Mike1> praenti: == 09:00:04 =[4]=> Building base package imagemagick [5.4.9 1.5.19].
17:16 < tcr> armijn: unfortunetaly the US has the military hegemony, the UNO has the juridical one
17:17 < praenti> Mike1: ok. thx. do you have a binary ext iso?
17:17 < tcr> armijn: but IMHO, who owns the military hegemony, owns the legal as well!
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17:18 < Mike1> re snyke
17:21 < Mike1> armijn: ?
17:26 < armijn> bootable CD?
17:26 < armijn> no progress
17:26 < snyke> re
17:27 < Mike1> armijn: ok
17:32 < armijn> ok, am off
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17:43 < Mike1> http://www.wehavethewayout.com/
17:43 < Mike1> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?mode_u=off&mode_w=on&site=www.wehavethewayout.com
17:43 < Mike1> nice to see an anti free software alliance running freeBSD on their webserver :)
17:55 < tcr> hehe :)
17:55 * tcr needs demian ! kicking his ass
17:55 < [anders]> time to go home.. back tomorrow, or tonight if time permits...
17:55 < tcr> [anders]: mach's gut :)
17:56 < [anders]> tcr: :)
17:56 < Mike1> tcr: enjoy it!
17:57 < tcr> lol
18:01 < Mike1> demian: get over here so tcr can kick ur ass
18:03 < tcr> <- watching tv now ;P
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18:41 < tcr> hi ripclaw
18:41 < ripclaw> hi tcr
18:41 < ripclaw> helo
18:42 < Mike1> master ripclaw :)
18:51 < Mike1> praenti: == 10:22:39 =[5]=> Building base package rock-debug [1.5.19 1.5.19].
19:00 < ripclaw> hi mike
19:21 < esden> hi all
19:22 < Mike1> hi esden
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19:22 < ripclaw> helo esden
19:22 < litost> hi everyone
19:23 < Mike1> hi litost
19:23 < litost> what are up to today Miguel?
19:25 * ripclaw is away: food
19:26 < Mike1> nothing much there?
19:30 < esden> hi Mike1 
19:30 < esden> hi ripclaw hi litost 
19:30 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@pop-be-11-1-dialup-169.freesurf.ch] has joined #rocklinux
19:31 < esden> lool ... jolt theme : http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/jolt/?topic_id=918
19:31 < esden> for wmaker
19:37 < ripclaw> i am fed up, shutting down box, think i need a vacation from the fscking computers.
19:37 < ripclaw> l8r
19:37 < Mike1> cu ripclaw
19:38 < ripclaw> cu mike
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19:48 < zer0_o> hi mates
19:48 < Mike1> O_o
19:48 < Mike1> :)
19:49 < esden> hi zer0_o 
19:49 < esden> o_O
19:49 < esden> O_o
19:49 < esden> O_O
19:49 < Mike1> lol
19:49 < esden> X_X
19:49 < zer0_o> 0_o
19:49 < Mike1> ()_()
19:49 < zer0_o> X_x
19:49 < esden> @_@
19:49 < Mike1> lol
19:49 < zer0_o> -_-
19:50 < esden> ^_^
19:50 < Mike1> (*)(*)
19:50 < Mike1> oops
19:50 < Mike1> *g
19:50 < zer0_o> lol
19:50 < esden> loool
19:50 < esden> Mike1: that is something different
19:50 < esden> it is like
19:50 < esden> (.)(.)
19:50 < Mike1> lol
19:50 < esden> *GG*
19:51 < zer0_o> ey, keep clean ;)
19:51 < Mike1> sure zer(*)(*)
19:51 < esden> zer0_o: /me is clean all the time .. I wash myself two times a day
19:51 < Mike1> i mean zer0_o
19:51 < zer0_o> eheh
19:53 < esden> argh ... 
19:53 * -> esden needs rippy back !!!
19:54 < Mike1> esden: "rippy" has gone to sleep
19:54 < esden> yes I know ...
19:54 < esden> I missed to ask him some things ... >_<
19:54 * -> esden hates writing mails to rippy ...
19:54 < Mike1> echo "asking something" | sendmail rippy
19:55 < Mike1> i see
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19:56 < _NULL> hi
19:56 < esden> hi nothing
19:56 < Mike1> _NULL: hi
19:56 < _NULL> hi esden, Mike1
19:58 * Mike1 is away: having lunch
20:01 * zer0_o too
20:02 < esden> bon appetitt my friends ;-)
20:13 * _NULL leaves you now. *yawing*
20:13 < _NULL> gn8. cu
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20:24 * Mike1 is back (gone 00:26:18)
20:24 < Mike1> re
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20:34 < esden> re Mike1 !
20:56 -!- _NULL [~mail-spam@B5928.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux
20:56 < _NULL> re
20:57 < Mike1> re my yawing friend
20:58 < _NULL> yawing but not able to sleep. that suxx
20:59 < Mike1> poor girl
20:59 < _NULL> :PP
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21:04 < Mike1> hola demian
21:15 < demian> re
21:15 < tcr> hey demian!!!
21:15 < demian> tcr: !!
21:15 < demian> hi tcr
21:15 * tcr breathes again
21:15 < tcr> mom
21:15 < demian> ?
21:16 < tcr> http://freebits.de/trash/sonstiges/patches/install_menu/install_shell-24-09-02.diff
21:16 < demian> i saw ur patch tcr
21:16 < demian> yes ;-)
21:16 < tcr> tested?
21:16 < demian> nope
21:17 < demian> lemme prepare the system again..
21:17 < tcr> hmm... and the menu-code is nothing than a whole hack
21:17 < tcr> nevermind, it works
21:25 < demian> k
21:27 < tcr> demian: i'm interested if the wrong package number is correct now or not
21:27 < demian> gimme a moment please ;-)
21:27 < tcr> of course
21:31 < demian> tcr: what is c2 counter supposed to count ?
21:32 < tcr> the number of installed packages, i think
21:32 < demian> and c ?
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21:32 < tcr> uh dunno
21:33 < tcr> i'd have to look up ... but i'm too lazy/tired to boot my other pc
21:33 < tcr> hi mnemoc
21:33 < mnemoc> hi tcr
21:34 < _NULL> hi mnemoc
21:34 < mnemoc> anyone working with 1.7?
21:34 < mnemoc> (hi _NULL)
21:34 < demian> i havent tested yet, but i think that if c counter is decreased after pres ^C, it is cause the package install was cancelled, and this packages wasnt installed ...
21:35 < demian> so, this makes me think that the total installed packages counter is c
21:35 < tcr> mom, i'll boot
21:35 < demian> this is what i think, but im not sure, lemme have a deeper look
21:37 < tcr> demian: (%d/%d) Installing ....
21:38 < demian> ROCK Install Shell>
21:38 < ichilton> trying to run ./scripts/Download -all but getting this:
21:38 < ichilton> Downloading download/rene/libungif/libungif-4.1.0.tar.gz ...
21:38 < ichilton> INFO: Found src/Download-Mirror: none (use the original download locations)
21:38 < ichilton> INFO: To force a new mirror auto-detection, remove src/Download-Mirror.
21:38 < ichilton> [stops]
21:38 < ichilton> any ideas why it's stopping?
21:38 < mnemoc> nothing to download?
21:38 < demian> remove -mirror option ?
21:39 < ichilton> ?
21:39 < tcr> demian: gimme an example of the line: [...] (%d/%d) Installing .....
21:39 < tcr> what is the first and what the second %d ?
21:39 < demian> strange.. seem Download is using -mirror option..
21:39 < demian> mom
21:40 < tcr> the second should be the number of selected pkgs
21:40 < tcr> and the first the number of installed pkgs
21:41 < demian> yes
21:41 < tcr> should be right then as i did it
21:41 < demian> ROCK Install Shell> unselect */*
21:42 < demian> ROCK Install Shell> select */lynx
21:42 < tcr> `sel' is the number of selected pkgs, and `c2' the one of installed pkgs
21:44 < demian> 002% (001/036)
21:44 < tcr> can you make a pkg fail?
21:45 < demian>       FATAL ERROR:   Installation of package 'util/gnupg' failed!
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21:45 < demian>  sure
21:45 < tcr> and press ctrl-c then
21:45 < demian> 002% (001/036)
21:45 < demian> seems it is working now
21:45 < demian> lemme try a retry..
21:45 < tcr> wonderful :)
21:45 < demian> an auto-retry
21:46 < tcr> should work as well
21:46 < demian> 002% (001/036) Installing util/id-utils
21:46 < demian> yes
21:46 < demian> it does ;-)
21:46 < tcr> juhu!
21:46 < demian> congrats tcr :-)
21:46 < tcr> huebi: PING?
21:47 < Mike1> ping -f huebi ....
21:47 < tcr> i think travelling to him and kicking his ass would be less intrusive
21:48 < demian> Mike1: da u have a minute ?
21:48 < tcr> Mike1: i could try a ping of death :->
21:48 < huebi> jo
21:48 < Mike1> tcr: see how easy he came back
21:48 < Mike1> hi huebi
21:48 < Mike1> demian: yes whats up
21:48 < tcr> huebi: please apply: http://freebits.de/trash/sonstiges/patches/install_menu/install_shell-24-09-02.diff
21:49 < huebi> tcr: Please read and use: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/CodingStyle
21:50 < huebi> hehe
21:50 < Mike1> *G
21:51 < tcr> mh?
21:52 < huebi> tcr: use nicer names instead of "c" or "c2"
21:52 < tcr> SAY THIS CLIFFORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21:52 < tcr> he is responsible of this fsckin code
21:52 < tcr> in fact he uses c, c1, c2, c3, c4 and c5 in this function
21:53 < huebi> tcr: Known problem. No solution found yet. ;}
21:53 < demian> huebi: the only change was add 'c2--', and the c2 counter already was there
21:54 < tcr> huebi: for commetting the cvs entry: o) fixed miscounting bug which doesn't decrease the number of installed package if one fails
21:55 < tcr> o) fixed some mis-wrapping bugs in the install menu
21:55 < tcr> commenting
21:56 < ichilton> ok, is anyone around that's good with the Download script?
21:56 < demian> ichilton: what Download script are u using , 1.7 or 1.5 tree ?
21:57 < ichilton> 1.7
21:58 < _NULL> ichilton: ask fake if he is online. he already fixed the URLs but patch wasn't applied by clifford yet
21:58 < ichilton> _NULL: Ahh, is that why it's not working?
21:58 < ichilton> fake: u around?
21:59 < _NULL> ichilton: i dunno. what problem do you have?
21:59 < huebi> tcr: http://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/install-disks/
21:59 < ichilton> Well I left it all day
22:00 < ichilton> and came back and there is 300MB in src and it's stopped on libungif. I killed it and restarted it and I get:
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22:00 < tsa> tag
22:00 < Mike1> hi tsa
22:00 < tsa> hi Mike1
22:00 < demian> hi tcr , mnemoc
22:00 < _NULL> hi tsa
22:00 < ichilton> lots of these for each package:
22:01 < ichilton> Downloading download/rene/libmpeg/mpeg_lib-1.3.1.tar.gz ...
22:01 < ichilton> INFO: Found src/Download-Mirror: none (use the original download locations)
22:01 < ichilton> INFO: To force a new mirror auto-detection, remove src/Download-Mirror.
22:01 < ichilton> ERROR: According to src/Download-Errors we had already an error for that URL.
22:01 < demian> arrg, s/tcr/tsa
22:01 < ichilton> ERROR: So I'm not trying to download it again (remove src/Download-Errors
22:01 < ichilton> ERROR: if you want to force a retry).
22:01 < ichilton> and this:
22:01 < ichilton> Downloading download/rene/libungif/libungif-4.1.0.tar.gz ...
22:01 < ichilton> INFO: Found src/Download-Mirror: none (use the original download locations)
22:01 < ichilton> INFO: To force a new mirror auto-detection, remove src/Download-Mirror.
22:01 < ichilton> [stops forever]
22:01 < ichilton> _NULL: any ideas?
22:01 < Mike1> ichilton: Please wait for the next snapshot fakes patch will be applies on it
22:02 < tsa> where is your problem?
22:02 < ichilton> ah, ok
22:02 < Mike1> ichilton: fakes patch fixes this issue a new snap will be out soon
22:02 < ichilton> I checked from cvs - can I just do a cvs update when he's done it and let it carry on?
22:03 < Mike1> yes
22:04 < ichilton> Cool
22:04 < ichilton> _NULL / Mike1: Thanks
22:04 < Mike1> np
22:04 < ichilton> Btw, is the patch not public anywhere?
22:05 < Mike1> ask fake
22:05 < _NULL> ichilton: afaik: no.
22:07 < demian> brb
22:07 < tcr> _NULL: did you finally get the song?
22:07 < _NULL> tcr: nope.
22:07 < tcr> didn't tease huebi?
22:08 < _NULL> had no time to download it at work...
22:08 < tcr> ah
22:09 < ichilton> ok, i'll leave it going again tomorrow!
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22:22 < Mike1> re
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22:33 < d3mian> re
22:42 < fake> eek. problem.
22:43 < rolla> fake
22:43 < fake> why does glibc/install-info want to create a backup-file in /var/backups/infodir.bak all of a sudden?
22:52 < _NULL> moin fake
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22:56 < fake> hi _NULL
22:56 < fake> and cu...
22:56 < Mike1> hi fake :)
22:57 < _NULL> bye, gn8 fake ;)
22:57 < Mike1> bye fake
22:57 -!- zer0_o [~zer0_o@pop-be-11-1-dialup-169.freesurf.ch] has quit ("*yawn*")
22:59 < fake> *yaaawns*
22:59 < Mike1> should we make a yawners club or something?
23:01 < tsa> good idea.
23:01 < tsa> i'll be president, then. *yaaawn*
23:01 < tsa> ;)
23:02 < _NULL> tsa: no. that's my part. i'm almost a zombie (cuz of being not tired --> almost dead)... so, i'll be the president
23:02 < Mike1> no
23:02 < tsa> _NULL: uhm...no. but you could still be our secretary and make coffee.
23:02 < Mike1> Mathilda will be the president
23:03 < _NULL> tsa: wtf is coffee? and what is a secretarty. i really dunno what you mean...
23:03 < Mike1> tsa: nah that would be fair to make her a secretary
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23:03 < Mike1> i say lets give her a president charge
23:03 * _NULL is too dead to complain about any comments of anybody here...
23:03 < Mike1> let make her president of the coffee making department
23:03 < Mike1> :)
23:04 < tsa> _NULL: you're female, we can't expect you to understand what we're talking about..
23:04 < tsa> Mike1: ack.
23:04 < _NULL> tsa: bla
23:08 < tsa> :-P
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23:57 < jasonmaier> got a question for building rock am i right =) ?
23:58 < tsa> sure.
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